Snubbed by the Globes | Son of a Boy Dad #366

Summary

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Son of a Boy Dad #366: "Snubbed by the Globes"

Date: January 13, 2026
Hosts: Roan, Harry (Lil Sasquatch), Francis
Podcast: Barstool Sports

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Episode Overview

The main theme of this episode centers on the recent Golden Globes “Podcaster of the Year” award, particularly Amy Poehler's win, and what it reveals about Hollywood’s approach to podcasting. The hosts (Roan, Harry, and Francis) tackle their frustrations and the legitimacy of celebrity-driven podcasting awards, reflecting on what it says about the broader podcast industry. They also dive into tangents about NFL playoffs, personal obsessions (coffee, shoes, tech), generational changes in attention, and a dose of playful banter. The tone is irreverent, skeptical, and self-deprecating, with plenty of inside jokes and cultural references.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Golden Globes’ "Podcaster of the Year" Controversy

• Amy Poehler’s Win and What It Means

  • Roan sarcastically congratulates Amy Poehler for winning Podcaster of the Year after just 45 episodes (00:18).

    • “What an accomplice. After only 45 episodes of her show, she managed to become the number one podcaster in the world. Congrats.” – Roan (00:18)

  • The hosts are annoyed at the celebrity-dominated nomination list and call out the lack of "real" podcasters:

    • “It pissed me off because it’s just the most Hollywood thing ever... Hollywood giving the award, so clear that their mindset’s like, well, only one of us could have been the best.” – Harry (01:19)
    • Nominees were almost exclusively A-list celebrities (Poehler, Dax Shepard, Alex Cooper).
    • Recognition of podcasting by old media feels exclusionary and disconnected from the podcasting community.

  • Comparison to other snubs:

    • “None of the celebrity podcasts last because there’s zero reason for them to do podcasts.” – Roan (02:29)
    • “It’s crazy that [Joe Rogan] doesn’t get nominated for that shit... It’s literally the number one show in the world, and it’s not close.” – Roan (02:37–02:48)
    • “Like, what about, like, Theo Vaughn? His show’s got to be triple the numbers that [Poehler] gets.” – Roan (03:07)

  • Awards often based on legacy, networks, and risk-aversion rather than numbers or impact.

    • “It’s like, of course, one of us is the best.” – Roan (03:39)

• Who Podcasting Awards Leave Out

  • True crime podcasts, indie podcasters, political giants, and influential personalities like Theo Vaughn, Matt and Shane, Flagrant, and Rogan are notably missing from nominations (04:46–04:59).
  • Roan argues that podcasting “currency” is measured by revenue and audience rather than awards, reflecting on the outsider status of Barstool and similar shows (11:14–11:49).
    • “The establishment is not going to accept our work here ever. And therefore our currency is measured in other ways.” – Francis (11:21–11:27)

• On Mainstream Validation

  • “Do we really need to fudgeing put some dumb golden statue on the mantle in order to feel the measure of our worth?” – Francis (11:42)
  • The group agrees the snub exposes “the arrogance of Hollywood” and its self-affirming logic:
    • “It’s just like, only, of course, like, one of us is the best.” – Harry (19:01)

• Funny Comparisons and Tangents

  • Comparing Poehler’s fast path to an award to an NFL lineman legacy award and to Chalamet winning “Best Rapper” for a single verse (04:39; 19:14).
  • Lamenting visible editing in Poehler’s podcast:
    • “Listening to the Paltrow interview and it’s like clunky, like obvious cuts everywhere... like a student film.” – Harry (19:56)
    • “It’s disrespect to the craft.” – Roan (20:12)

• Nominee List & Exclusions (15:30)

  • Nominees: Armchair Expert, Call Her Daddy, Good Hang with Amy Poehler, Mel Robbins, Smartless, NPR Up First
  • NPR Up First is called out as “not a real podcast” (15:41–15:56).

• Serious and Satirical Solutions

  • They suggest Spotify should have its own streaming-based awards based on real numbers for greater credibility (21:07–21:33).

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2. Podcast Consumption and Culture: Subjectivity vs. Metrics

• Are Podcasts Art or Popularity Contests?

  • Roan believes size and longevity of the show should matter (08:19).
  • Francis sees the awards as more about the status and safety of the nominee rather than the real craft of podcasting (08:25–08:33).
  • Francis concedes that celebrity podcasts can be good but says this is about who gets left out (08:52).

• On Gatekeeping and Being "Late Arrivals"

  • “I’m not trying to gatekeep podcasting…we got into podcasting late.” – Roan (09:59)
  • They debate who really deserves the award (pioneers vs. celebrities).

• Community/Self-Deprecation

  • The hosts joke about their own lack of eligibility: “Do you think that we are three deserve that award more than Amy Poehler?” – Francis (10:25)
  • Roan answers NO, listing other “deserving” Barstool and indie podcasts instead (10:31).

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3. NFL Playoffs and Sports Talk (33:03–55:00)

• Francis, self-described as “single,” revels in watching nine hours of football; Harry shares watching while driving; Roan and Francis analyze the Patriots, Bills, Eagles, and 49ers games.

• Disappointment with the Eagles’ loss and breakdown of what went wrong with coaching and players (46:13–48:40).

  • “Everyone on the roster despises each other...the ingredients are good. The chef is bad bro.” – Harry (48:14)
  • “Jalen Hurts is aging like milk, brother. It’s over.” – Roan (48:27)
  • “A.J. Brown dropped three passes yesterday to win the game. Well, two of them were really pretty, unlike him.” – Francis (48:40)

• Plenty of jokes about their fantasy athletic performances, coverage of the Jags pool, Ed Sheeran’s court appearance, and “the only way out” Eagles fans crawling under a parking lot fence (45:16).

• Amusing aside about musical artists and podcasting (25:02), SoundCloud rappers’ career pivots, and a trivia riff on Latino listeners and bird clocks (27:01).

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4. Tech, Obsession, and Life Offline (59:59–77:00)

• Francis’s Coffee Obsession & Attention Span

  • He confesses going down an espresso machine rabbit hole, tying it to his phone addiction (63:02–63:36).
    • “I have become the latest to become so addicted to my phone that I cannot detach from that as being…” – Francis (62:13)
  • Recaps efforts at “detox” with a ‘brick’ phone app and why Twitter is the worst (76:06–76:28).
    • “I’m sickened by myself.” – Francis (64:15)

• Reflection on Generational Change

  • Noting how school readings were more plausible before smartphones (83:33).
  • “There was no competition for attention then...you had to go to a play if you wanted to see something equally stimulating.” – Harry (83:38)

• Phone Addiction & Social Media

  • Arguments about the new “norm” of short attention, always being reachable, and the impact of social media (66:29–68:26).
    • “When you reach out to someone and they just don’t respond and they’re unreachable …that is cool.” – Francis (66:59)
    • “One of the most famous people I know is Big Cat. And he is the most responsive.” – Harry (67:28)

• Deprecations of Twitter

  • “It’s the one place where, like, if you posted a video of you helping an armless, legless …the majority of the replies would be like, ‘this is the problem with the world.’” – Francis (72:45)
  • Discussions about engagement farming, vague posting, why the brick phone might be the only way out.

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5. Mundane Mania: Shoes, Guns, and Everyday Feuds

• Tangential discussions about new shoes: Solomons, “badass tongue,” color preferences, and the ever-present Barstool footrace for show-off style (29:25–33:00).
• Francis recounts an awkward trip to a gun shop (56:00–58:59) and his irrational urge to own a pistol, much to the amusement and concern of the others.
• Jokes about growing out beards for “gun store cred,” using a brick for screen addictions, and needing a flip phone for sanity.

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6. Literature and School Memories (82:09–86:27)

• Francis talks about reading Orwell’s 1984 (82:09–82:41):
  • “That book predicted all the screen stuff you’re talking about.”
• High school required reading, “moral tests” about pronouncing offensive words in Tom Sawyer, and bad “popcorn” reading routines (84:20–85:57).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Amy Poehler’s Awards:
  • “It’s just the most Hollywood thing ever.” – Harry (01:19)
  • “If you’re not part of the world, you don’t even have a chance. And that’s not fair.” – Harry (09:45)
  • “It’s not real podcasts. It’s podcasts suggested on Apple when you open the app.” – Roan (10:55)
• On Hollywood Gatekeeping:
  • “The Academy was like, I don’t know what you want us to do. Yeah, it’s too damn funny.” – Roan (04:19), on the Rogan and Louie C.K. snubs.
• On NFL Watching:
  • “I just watched TV until I could. Not anymore. …My brain started to fall apart.” – Francis (33:51–33:58)
• On Modern Attention Spans:
  • “There was no competition for attention then.” – Harry (83:33)
• On Personal Obsession:
  • “I’m sickened by myself.” – Francis (64:15)
• On Social Media Toxicity:
  • “It’s the one place where, like, if you posted a video of you, like, helping an armless legless ... the majority of the replies would be like, ‘this is the problem with the world.’” – Francis (72:45)
• On Barstool’s Outsider Status:
  • “The establishment is not going to accept our work here ever. And therefore our currency is measured in other ways.” – Francis (11:21–11:27)
• On the podcasting divide:
  • “You can’t have a Top Podcast award and not have Rogan nominated. It’s just not. That’s not possible.” – Roan (17:18)
• On attention-addicted culture:
  • “I have become the latest to become so addicted to my phone that I cannot detach from that as being ...” – Francis (62:13)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:18 – Sarcastic congratulations to Amy Poehler; start of Globes Rant.
• 02:37–03:54 – Why major podcasts (and Joe Rogan) get snubbed.
• 04:39 – Comparing new awards to legacy NFL awards.
• 06:05–09:00 – Gatekeeping podcasts vs. “legacy” winners; subjectivity vs. numbers.
• 10:25–11:49 – Why doesn’t Barstool care about mainstream validation? Revenue & currency.
• 13:14–14:26 – Podcasting “smoking” Hollywood’s writers’ rooms.
• 15:18–16:03 – Nominees rundown and criticism of NPR’s “Up First.”
• 19:01 – The arrogance of Hollywood and self-vindication.
• 21:07–21:33 – The case for data-based podcast awards.
• 33:03–51:10 – NFL Playoffs talk (Patriots, Eagles, 49ers); bleak Eagles collapse.
• 59:59–64:15 – Coffee obsession, tech addiction confessions.
• 66:29–68:26 – The virtue of not being reachable; text reply debates with famous folks.
• 76:28–77:13 – Phone detox plans, quitting Twitter, and why "flip phone culture" is impractical.
• 82:09–86:27 – 1984, school reading, and English class "landmines."

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Tone and Style

Conversational, sarcastic, slightly nihilistic, and full of in-jokes. The hosts jump between sharp industry critiques and loose personal anecdotes, with no shortage of ironic self-awareness and mock seriousness.

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For Listeners New and Old

This episode is a signature sample of "Son of a Boy Dad’s" irreverent, media-skeptical approach. The crew’s agitation about the Golden Globes’ podcast award crystallizes broader complaints about media, status, and creative legitimacy. Meanwhile, their digressions into sports, tech obsession, and literature reflect a podcast literally built out of sprawling conversation—one that, ironically, might never win an award, but revels in self-awareness about the reason why.

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Transcript

[Harry]

Hey, Son of a Boy dad listeners. You can find every episode on Apple podcasts, Spotify or YouTube Prime. Members can listen ad free on Amazon Music.

[Roan]

All right. All righty. Welcome back to the Son of a Boy Dad Podcast. Today it is January 12th. It is 1 1:50pm and we are here live from HQ Trace. Welcome back to the podcast. And we want to start off today's episode by congratulating Amy Poehler on winning Podcaster of the Year. What an accomplice. After only 45 episodes of her show, she managed to become the number one podcaster in the world. Congrats.

[Harry]

I just had to. Yeah, that pissed me off.

[Roan]

The competition was brutal this year, too. Amy Poehler, smartless.

[Francis]

I like Smart List.

[Roan]

Dax Shepard. And that was really it. That was all.

[Harry]

So Alex Coop was.

[Roan]

Now Alex Cooper was in there.

[Harry]

But it pissed me off because it's just the most Hollywood thing ever.

[Roan]

So dumb.

[Harry]

The fact that they're like, obviously podcasts are eating into the piece of the pie that movies and TV used to take up.

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Harry]

And so Hollywood giving the award, they're like, they're so clear that their mindset's like, well, like, only one of us could have been the best. Yeah, exactly. We're the only ones that could have actually been the best at this.

[Roan]

100%.

[Harry]

It fudgeing pissed me off so badly.

[Roan]

Dude. I was. I looked at all the nominees this morning. It's literally, there's not a single nominee that's not an A list celebrity. Like, Alex Cooper is the only.

[Harry]

He's only got it out the mud. Yeah. That fucking really like the fact that it's. It's just all former actors that. And at least if you're going to do that, give it to like Conan o'. Brien.

[Roan]

Like, his show wasn't even nominated.

[Harry]

His show is funny. And it's like a similar. It's like, what Amy Poehler's. And her show's good. It's fine.

[Roan]

It's fine.

[Harry]

But it's also like, she is just like, we got a great show for you guys today.

[Roan]

Also, it's. She's going to quit it in a year.

[Harry]

What was it like going to be over with this famous person? It's like, that's the best podcast of the year.

[Roan]

None of the celebrity podcasts last because there's zero reason for them to do podcasts.

[Harry]

And Zach Amica wasn't even nominated.

[Roan]

It is crazy. It's crazy. Like, I'm not like a Rogan Die Hard, but it's crazy that he doesn't get nominated for that shit.

[Harry]

Is it, though? Because, like, it's obviously like, a FUBU.

[Roan]

Type award, I guess, but it's like, dude, it's literally the number one show in the world, and it's not close to. And they just ignore, like, they just completely, like, just ignore him. Like, everyone's gonna be like, oh, yeah, I guess Amy Poehler is the greatest podcaster in the world.

[Harry]

Right? And that's like, the historical record now. Like.

[Roan]

Like, what about, like, Theo. Like, Theo Vaughn? Like, his show's got to be triple the numbers that she gets.

[Harry]

Or, like, any of the true crime women or, like, the fucking, like, the super liberal or the super conservative dudes. Like, crazy numbers.

[Roan]

Where's Jones on that list?

[Harry]

Where's Jo?

[Roan]

Where's War Mode, bro? Why is War Mode not on that?

[Harry]

Did this piss you off equally, Francis?

[Francis]

I didn't know that happened.

[Roan]

I just saw it this morning. I think it's the first time they've ever done it.

[Harry]

Yeah, it is.

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Harry]

And they're like, well, of course. One of the.

[Roan]

It's the same thing with the comedy specials, though, when it's like, oh, Ricky Gervais wins again. Did anyone. But did anyone watch the Special?

[Francis]

Or. Or Gerard co. Carmichael, or.

[Roan]

It's. They just rotate the same three people to win it.

[Francis]

Doesn't it often go towards. Wait a minute, though. Louie won the Grammy.

[Roan]

Yeah, he did, but that was years ago.

[Francis]

Okay.

[Roan]

And also that was.

[Harry]

Yeah, you're right, he did, but that was before he.

[Roan]

No, that was after.

[Francis]

That was right after.

[Roan]

It was like the first album after.

[Harry]

Really?

[Roan]

Yeah, it was pretty surprising. It was unbelievably surprised by it. Yeah, that's how good it was, though.

[Francis]

Be undeniable.

[Roan]

The Academy was like, I don't know what you guys want us to do. Yeah, it's too damn funny.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

You don't care what he did. Roman Polanski might be excommunicated. This guy's good. This guy's hilarious.

[Roan]

Is just a phenomenal film.

[Harry]

Yeah, I. It deeply annoyed me. It's not real. I'm just not, like, I'm not precious about podcasting, but just, like, is so transparent. It's like this year in the NFL, they had the Offensive Lineman of the Year award for the first time. And because of that, they're going to give it to, like, a legacy offensive lineman because it's about the body of the work. Because the first award ever, and you're giving it to a woman who's just like, we're saying 30 episodes in it's 45.

[Roan]

I looked it up.

[Harry]

Oh, that's an actual number.

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Harry]

Yeah. That's crazy.

[Roan]

That was according to Google AI overview, though. So it could be closer to like 2,000 episodes. They're consistently off by.

[Harry]

Listen to her. I binged it this morning just to be like, cuz I don't want to hate on her.

[Roan]

No, it is polar either.

[Harry]

It's. It's like she had Paltrow on. She had Haley Williams on. Those were all delightful. Are you a fan of Hayley Williams?

[Francis]

Sure. It's. I don't know why it's funny to hear you guys refer to these women by their last names. Going to be on soon.

[Harry]

You know, people talk about guys by their first names. They're like Louis, Shane, Theo.

[Roan]

Yeah, true.

[Francis]

But I also think it is a very masculine practice to refer to men by their last names only. Almost like in a sports sense.

[Harry]

Ellis.

[Francis]

100%. And so to hear. To hear it applied to name redacted.

[Roan]

Yeah, it is. Yeah. I'm not. I'm not mad about the podcasting thing either. I just think it's like, if they're gonna try to incorporate podcasting into this award ceremony that's traditionally just mainstream media, I feel like they've gotta. You can't just box out everyone that got podcasting to where it is. Like, that's ridiculous. Like, Amy Poehler wasn't doing a podcast when Joe Rogan and KFC Radio were doing a podcast. Like it.

[Harry]

But next year it's going to be like Leo being like, yeah, I can't believe it. Yeah, he did a limited run. I'm surprised. Barack Obama and Bruce Springsteen.

[Francis]

I know.

[Roan]

That's literally the first thing I thought of when I saw it.

[Francis]

Why does it. Why does it necessarily need to go to, as Roan put it, legacy podcasters?

[Roan]

I don't think it has to be a legacy podcaster, but I don't think people that are, like, really into podcasts, that's not what they're listening to do. Like, they're not just, like, throwing on smart. Do you know anyone that listens to Smart list?

[Francis]

Yes, I do, and I've listened to it, and it's hysterical.

[Roan]

I don't know a single person, except now one that listens to smart lists.

[Francis]

You know that podcast is very good. Yeah, but it's very, very good. But.

[Roan]

But there's other podcasts that are much better that are.

[Francis]

That. Now this is entirely subjective.

[Roan]

I don't think it's subjective. These are all podcasts that are Hollywood celebrities that Started them because podcasting had already gotten big, and it's like a cash grab.

[Francis]

You think that the people who built the world need to be. Get their flowers.

[Roan]

There's POD dude. There's like.

[Francis]

That's your criteria, right?

[Roan]

No, my criteria is there's, like, 20 podcasts that could have been on that list that aren't on that list, and.

[Francis]

They specifically, they are podcasts that were made by people who were in without having the Hollywood establishment behind.

[Roan]

Yes. Dude, look at the charts. Those chart. Those podcasts aren't the biggest shows necessarily.

[Francis]

Means that, first of all, there's Hollywood people podcasting who are at the top of the charts.

[Roan]

Yes.

[Francis]

Amy Poehler, Dax Shepard, you just said with disdain.

[Roan]

But, like, Matt, Shane, and Theo's podcast are bigger than Dax Shepard.

[Francis]

But then is it a question of size of audience, or is it.

[Roan]

I think it's size of audience, longevity of the show.

[Francis]

I think this is your criteria. This is your award show.

[Roan]

I am understanding that, but their criteria is just someone who's really famous, who's had. Who hasn't gotten in trouble for their show yet.

[Francis]

And my. My issue with that is that there are people that are under that criteria who actually are putting out a good podcast.

[Roan]

I'm not saying they're not putting out a good podcast. Like, I listened to the Always Sunny podcast when they put it out, but it's not. It's still. I wouldn't.

[Harry]

Amy Poehler won this award because, like, she's lovely.

[Roan]

Because she's Amy Poehler.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Listen, I don't even know that I disagree with your Amy Poehler take. I just don't know that there's a blanket indictment of all actors doing podcasts. I can't necessarily subscribe to that because I've listened to some and enjoyed them.

[Harry]

Yeah, they're great.

[Roan]

I mean, they're funny people. I'm not surprised that, like, they're good.

[Francis]

I haven't even listened to this. I would have thought. How do you feel about the one that's done by the two women who were on the Office?

[Roan]

I mean, I. Again, like, I don't have a problem with these people doing a pod.

[Francis]

Would you put them under the category of Hollywood establishment?

[Roan]

100%.

[Francis]

Yeah. Okay.

[Roan]

I mean, their entire show is reacting to their show.

[Francis]

Oh, is that all they talk about?

[Roan]

Yes.

[Harry]

Season, episode by.

[Roan]

They just go down the episodes.

[Harry]

Office Lady.

[Roan]

This one was fun.

[Francis]

Got it. So, yeah, I mean, they do. I'm not trying to, like, Very high, though.

[Harry]

It's just like, 100. It's like an insular internal. Like, if you're part of the world, you can get a chance to win this award, and if you're not, you don't even have a chance. And that's not fair.

[Roan]

I don't think, like, I. Again, I'm not trying to, like, I'm not trying to like Gatekeep podcasting. Like, obviously, like, we got into podcasting late. Like, we weren't like the pioneers of podcast.

[Harry]

Speak for yourself, bro.

[Roan]

Yeah, I guess me, not Roanoke. But I still think that, like, there are podcasts that easily could have been on that list that were clearly overshadowed because they're not a list Hollywood stars.

[Francis]

Can I ask you a serious question?

[Roan]

Sure.

[Francis]

Do you think that we are three deserve that award more than Amy Poehler?

[Roan]

Absolutely not. That's not what I'm. I'm not talking about like our show and fucking real ass podcast. I'm talking about like Theo Vaughn and Charlotte and foreplay.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Roan]

No, but seriously, like, why is pardon my take not considered for something like that? They've been like.

[Harry]

Something like that. Like, there's people who are.

[Roan]

It's not real podcasts. It's podcasts that are suggested on Apple when you open the app.

[Francis]

I think that.

[Roan]

And it's like to see that. How to be a badass in 2026.

[Francis]

To see that you're frustrated by this sort of realization that, you know, barstool or extension of sort of not talking about.

[Roan]

Talking about these shows that are.

[Francis]

You just said pardon my take. Right. So, like, I. I think that I have come to terms with the fact that the establishment is not going to accept our work here ever.

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Francis]

And therefore our currency is measured in other ways. We'll. We'll take the millions of dollars of ad revenue instead of the fucking Grammy or the.

[Roan]

No. Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah.

[Francis]

And that's fine. Then again, Netflix just signed, you know, so it is happening to some degree. But I don't know. I don't. Do we really need to fudgeing put some dumb golden statue on the mantle in order to feel the measure of our worth?

[Roan]

No, I don't think so. But I think the fact that they're doing it and excluding all the people that could be like, dude, there's no way you could tell me that flagrant. And this past weekend and Matt and Shane and Rogan couldn't be on that list.

[Francis]

Of course I'm not saying that. I'm just not surprised that they aren't.

[Roan]

No, I'm not surprised you surpr.

[Harry]

They're not.

[Francis]

Because it's. It's Hollywood.

[Roan]

It's controversial.

[Harry]

And that's my point. It's Hollywood.

[Francis]

Why, therefore, I've, I've had my piece with that for a long time. I was told years ago, years and years and years ago. I'm talking like 2017, probably, when I submitted a writer's packet for some sitcom and they literally said to me, like, dude, you're a straight white male. There is no role for you to write in any writer's room of any comedy room in Hollywood. Yeah. And I was like, yeah.

[Harry]

But also. Well, well, like on a bigger scale, though, I'm sorry to interrupt, but like that, like, the writers rooms in Hollywood are getting smoked right now on a grand scale by podcasting because they're realizing that, like, I'm not talking about this show or anything barstool related. They're realizing that normal people having a conversation is better than what the best writer could come up in the best, like, scenario. In their mind, like, they're getting smoked by just like regular unscripted media.

[Roan]

Yeah, I would agree.

[Francis]

Okay, sure. I don't. I don't really have a disagreement with that. I don't even know why if I am. I guess I'm just surprised to hear you guys be frustrated by this.

[Roan]

I'm not. I wouldn't say I've been.

[Francis]

I've known this. Yeah.

[Roan]

I don't know.

[Francis]

I wouldn't say I'm going to be recognized or admitted into the fucking cathedral.

[Roan]

Yeah. I mean, it's the same shit when last year or two years ago and Chain Special didn't get nominated for anything and it was like, by far the biggest special of the year.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Roan]

But instead they nominated.

[Harry]

I'm just pissed off for Matt Walsh.

[Roan]

You know, it's just like, I think get rid of the award.

[Francis]

It's legacy media, Right. Protecting its dying market share. Tim Dillon talks about. That's a good point. And it's their desperate attempt to cling to how they used to be a top of the pile and they were the gatekeepers. Yeah. But the fundamental truth is you look at like, you know, the amount of money that Shane and Tim Dillon and Theo make, and it's like, they're fine then, then, then.

[Harry]

But it's not like Amy Poorer is not making money. She's making money and collecting.

[Francis]

I don't think she's making money like them.

[Roan]

No, I don't either.

[Francis]

I don't think Amy, ah, she could, dude.

[Roan]

Her podcast is the ad. The ad revenue that she's making from her podcast, then the brilliant.

[Francis]

Then I'm confused because you told. I'm going off the fact that I'm assuming Amy Poehler's podcast does not have anywhere near the listens of those.

[Roan]

Oh, no, it does. She's top four.

[Francis]

You didn't you just say that? It didn't. I thought you just.

[Roan]

No, I was saying that those podcasts.

[Francis]

Any numbers.

[Harry]

You said that those guys smoked Dax shepherd show is what you were saying.

[Roan]

Yes. Those guys, the, the guys that I was mentioning smoke a lot of the people on that, on that thing. Amy Poehler's podcast does do very well. Oh, and so does Smartless. But so does. Again, so does Conan o'. Brien. Just the whole nomination list doesn't make sense. It's five of the safest shows they can find.

[Francis]

Can we figure out who those actual nominees were? I'd love to hear.

[Roan]

I think I got them right here, brother. Probably my last Google search.

[Francis]

Armchair expert. Call her daddy. Good. Hang with Amy Poehler. Mel Robbins. Smartless. And NPR is up first.

[Roan]

Like NPR's Up First. Being in there is a slap in the face to anyone who's ever recorded.

[Francis]

A podcast to some degree, bro.

[Roan]

I list NPR's up first. That's not a podcast.

[Harry]

What is it?

[Roan]

It's 15 minutes long a day.

[Francis]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Roan]

And it's them recapping the stories in the news. And it's like, it's like an automate. It might be an AI voice, but.

[Francis]

Isn'T it enormously obvious?

[Harry]

Yeah, it's like the biggest journal, and so it's huge. The daily.

[Roan]

Yeah, yeah. Like, that's crazy.

[Francis]

You know what, you know what deserves to be on there, but maybe doesn't do enough episodes. Have you listened to Acquired? Yes, I have actually recommended this earlier on the pod. I was listening to them again this morning on the drive in. I mean, Acquired is one of the most brilliant pieces of research. Podcast.

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Francis]

It's hard to even call it a podcast. Yeah, it's, it's a four hour, you know, fucking book.

[Roan]

Yeah. Information.

[Harry]

Like some Dan Carlin shit.

[Roan]

Yeah. Yeah. But they're all like, first being on there is ridiculous.

[Francis]

I think.

[Roan]

Who's getting that award if they win? Npr.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Roan]

Just not like there's one man behind that.

[Harry]

A Roomba just rolls onto the stage.

[Francis]

I think you are evaluating this ridiculously irrelevant list of nominees based on your own personal preferences for podcasts.

[Roan]

I, I, I know what you're saying, but I don't even think it's like, and I get like, even if those other people were nominated, Amy Poehler probably still would have won. Like, there's no way that, like, Matt and Shane are walking off with the Golden Globe in their hands.

[Francis]

You're right.

[Roan]

But I still think that the list is bullshit. I think they should. They just shouldn't be an award if they're not going to recognize actual podcasts. Like, you can't have a Top Podcast award and not have Rogan nominated. It's just not. That's not possible.

[Francis]

Has he ever been. Is this the first year?

[Harry]

Yeah, the first year.

[Roan]

Like, that's just not real. Like, you're. You're excluding the podcast that if you combined all of those shows, it would be one episode of his show.

[Francis]

I agree with that.

[Roan]

And I'm not. I'm not. I don't even listen to Rogan's podcast. I'm just saying that's crazy.

[Francis]

Do you think it's a fair comparison to almost say that? That's a bit like saying if you had a list of the best picture nominees for the Oscars in a year and like Top Gun Maverick was excluded.

[Harry]

No, it's like be.

[Francis]

Not. Didn't have credibility.

[Roan]

I was going to say, like, Avatar, the first Avatar.

[Francis]

Right.

[Roan]

You'll be like, well, yeah, we're just going to skip that. And you're like, isn't that like the highest earning movie ever?

[Francis]

And then instead it was like foreign, you know, artsy foreign films.

[Harry]

But these aren't artsy foreign.

[Roan]

No, it would be like, instead it was liked up one. Yeah, I like Knocked Ups. It's a terrible example.

[Francis]

You mean?

[Harry]

Yeah, it's like if Taylor Swift wasn't nominated and. Yeah. And she, like, did Boku numbers and sold out a ton of stuff. Like, obviously Taylor Swift's going to be nominated for everything. It's that scale.

[Francis]

All right, you know what? I'm convinced.

[Harry]

No, I think it was good when you were. When you pushed it back against. Because it gave us something to chew on.

[Francis]

I wasn't entirely sure what your point was, but I think we got there.

[Roan]

And I think it's just the ignorance, the ignoring of, like, the leaders of that specific industry.

[Harry]

My point is about the arrogance of Hollywood.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

That it's just like, only, of course, like, one of us is the best.

[Roan]

Yeah. After.

[Harry]

We must be the best.

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Harry]

Yeah. We just tried. And she just started. Can you imagine that?

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Harry]

The comparison I made was like, if. It's like if. If Timothee Chalamet won best, like, rapper of the year award because he had, like a good rap verse. But it's like, well, like, obviously he's not the, the best rapper here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. It must be him, bro.

[Roan]

First year of a podcast too. It's fucking light work. That's the easiest time to do a podcast.

[Harry]

You've never had any of your thoughts?

[Roan]

No. Every time you go, you're like, oh, I guess I have this story that I've never told anybody.

[Harry]

Year five, she didn't even.

[Roan]

You're like, I have nothing to say. I'm out of experiences.

[Harry]

Also, like, not to be super, super critical, but like, I'm listening to the Paltrow interview and it's like clunky, like obvious cuts everywhere.

[Roan]

Oh, yeah, of course. Not free flowing.

[Harry]

So it's like a student film. Just disrespect. Chopped up. Chopped this. Disrespect.

[Roan]

It's disrespect to the craft.

[Francis]

Are there pods on that list that you actually yourself do think are worthy of being on there?

[Roan]

I mean, I guess Alex Cooper's makes sense.

[Harry]

Mel Robbins throws heat out there.

[Francis]

I've never listened.

[Roan]

Does Mel Robbins throw heat?

[Harry]

I mean, it's like, it's, it's for like menopausal women who need positivity in their life. But, like, I resonate with that.

[Francis]

The Let Them thing has done a lot for me.

[Harry]

Yeah, dude, Let them is amazing.

[Francis]

Yeah, she's. She.

[Harry]

Yeah, she's a pasta bitch.

[Francis]

Not. Smart list, though. That's the one I think would deserve to be on there.

[Roan]

No, I mean, I mean, smart list, I don't. Again, I don't think Smart list doesn't deserve to be on there because it's charted as a top show for the last couple of years. But my thing, my thing was more so just the people that weren't nominated there was like, what was there four or five? Like do ten.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Roan]

Throw some love to the other shows.

[Francis]

That actually Oscars did. They expanded their list.

[Harry]

I mean, they should do like a Spotify podcasting awards. Like a Spotify Awards?

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Harry]

And just so you can go category by category and actually like base it on what the charts are and who's actually good and have people actually chew on it. That'd be smart.

[Roan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Harry]

We gotta host the Spotify Awards.

[Roan]

That would be sick. Spotify. I would, I would love to get intertwined with Spotify.

[Francis]

Right?

[Roan]

Like, they're always doing like, like when they sent, like, I feel like if they send you like a care package, it's like clean, you know, slick.

[Francis]

Did you watch that show on the. The origin story of Spotify? No, it's really pretty solid.

[Roan]

I'll check that out.

[Francis]

I think it was in Swedish or something.

[Roan]

Oh, wow.

[Francis]

And I think that they. The founders are Swedish or Dutch or something like that. But it was on Hulu and it was a very good show for them from a tech perspective, was getting the latency period from when you started a song on Spotify down to a number. From when you click the song to when it started. That is unrecognizable by the human brain.

[Roan]

That's pretty cool.

[Francis]

Because they would have it at like. They got it down to like 0.2 seconds.

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Francis]

The founder was like, not good enough.

[Roan]

Damn.

[Francis]

And they had to change everything.

[Roan]

That's crazy.

[Francis]

And like, build external servers and towers.

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Spend billions of dollars. I don't know how much, but in order to get it to one.

[Roan]

That's crazy.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

And that's why they can't pay the artist.

[Roan]

But they just got the best interface.

[Francis]

Their interface to be solved now.

[Roan]

Oh, no, it's not. I saw something the other day. There was someone that was showing, like, their payouts for song for like music. Like, it was like a musician and it was like all like the, like Amazon, Apple, whatever. And like, Spotify was the. Was the least by like, probably like 1000%.

[Francis]

So does that mean then that musicians now make all of their money touring?

[Roan]

I think so, yeah.

[Francis]

Really?

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Harry]

If you can't tour your poor, there's.

[Francis]

No money in owning, you know, your masters or. Or selling songs. Streaming.

[Roan]

I guess, like, you still get like, record deals and shit to like, like where a record label will be. Like, if put out this album, we'll pay you $15 million.

[Harry]

Or. I think that the. There's a lot of money in like, hawk litigious attorneys when you own your masters that will like, sue for something. Like, there's more money in that. Yeah. In suing. That's where all the money is in.

[Roan]

It's touring, suing.

[Harry]

It really legitimately is. You make so much more money suing than like, people streaming your shit.

[Francis]

Get caught on Tuesday, Cleveland on Thursday. Yeah.

[Roan]

It's going to be a good week.

[Francis]

That. That thing from Ed Sheer. Sheeran, where he played because they were suing him. It was Marvin Gaye's estate. For stealing the chord progression.

[Roan]

Oh, yeah.

[Francis]

For one of his hits. And then he went into the court and played all of the songs that fit under that very basic chord.

[Roan]

Oh, really?

[Francis]

I didn't know that every song borrows from or that every basic chord progression, certainly in rock has been Repeated.

[Roan]

Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. I didn't know he did that.

[Francis]

Yeah, that's bad. What a way to demonstrate that point.

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Francis]

To show up in front of a judge with your acoustic guitar.

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

It has to be the best day of some fat bailiff's life.

[Francis]

It's pretty cool.

[Harry]

Just like the worst, most soul sucking job. And then Ed Sheeran plays you a mashup medley.

[Roan]

70 song mashup. Yeah. The greatest rock songs of all time by Ed Sheeran.

[Francis]

Holy fuck.

[Harry]

Selling tickets to court. Yeah. Ed Sheeran rocks. I'm surprised more. More musical artists don't do podcasts. I feel like that's a good way to make a bunch of money fast.

[Roan]

I mean. Yeah, I'm trying to think of any.

[Harry]

That do like guys like former rappers like Jadakiss and like Fat Joe and shit.

[Francis]

Joe Budden. Big yeah.

[Harry]

Button.

[Roan]

Does he. Does he still do a show?

[Harry]

His podcast?

[Roan]

Yeah. What he does, it's.

[Harry]

It's. That should have been up for the award. That's like the biggest fucking.

[Roan]

Really? I don't think I've seen anything from Joe Budden.

[Harry]

Oh my God. Amazing.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Roan]

I used to be a big Joe Budden hater.

[Harry]

That's like.

[Roan]

Like publicly I hated him.

[Francis]

I wouldn't do that.

[Harry]

Why?

[Roan]

I don't know. I don't remember. He had some dumb take about rap a while ago and I was like, probably like 13. And I was like, this guy doesn't know what he's talking about. I think he. I think he was super anti SoundCloud rappers.

[Harry]

And you're like, I love this.

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Harry]

I love CO Methazine.

[Roan]

Yeah. I was big into SoundCloud rappers. That was the worst music phase of my entire life. Listening to like fucking Lil Pump and Smoke. Perp and.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Roan]

Puya and Fat Nick and Ski Mask.

[Harry]

The Slump. God.

[Roan]

Xavier Wolf.

[Harry]

Do you know CO Methazine? The SoundCloud rapper is a jazz trumpet player now.

[Roan]

Really?

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Roan]

Glad he's using his talents elsewhere.

[Harry]

He's so good at. It's so cool.

[Roan]

That might be an upgrade.

[Harry]

It's the coolest transition that anyone's ever made.

[Roan]

Yeah. I was in. I used to listen to Lil Xan in the. In the early days.

[Francis]

White kid.

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Who had the teardrop tattoo and dated Noah Cyrus. Noah's.

[Roan]

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I wasn't. I wasn't a fan of him then.

[Francis]

I did not approve of that relationship.

[Harry]

From whose way?

[Francis]

Just for. I don't know if he was headed in the right direction.

[Roan]

No, I don't think so.

[Francis]

When you're 17 and you get face tattoos.

[Roan]

Yeah, weirdly, I actually think he was older than you'd think. He looked really young.

[Francis]

Sure did.

[Roan]

He was also Mexican, which was weird. Not that it's weird to be Mexican. It was weird because he looked extremely white.

[Harry]

Yeah, weirdo.

[Roan]

Nothing wrong with being Mexican. Greer just texted us and said that our podcast has 50% Mexican listeners.

[Harry]

Hi, caramba.

[Francis]

That cannot be. There is no way that that's true. No chance.

[Roan]

I swear to God.

[Francis]

You're saying that. What in tell us the actual he.

[Roan]

Said half of the son of a boy dad audience is apparently Hispanic. Starting to question the validity. Validity of these numbers. Anus, 40%. Have you guys considered alternate Spanish broadcasts?

[Harry]

Oh, my God. I can't believe that.

[Roan]

I feel like that can't be accurate.

[Harry]

Mexican people are the only people that can speak and whistle. Have you ever heard a mech, a Mexican brother go?

[Francis]

No, but they. That's what Leo was lauded for in one battle after another.

[Harry]

I didn't see it yet.

[Roan]

I did, but I don't remember that.

[Francis]

Part where he's asking where. Which direction the truck went so that he can try to.

[Roan]

Oh, yeah.

[Francis]

What did he do, daughter? He did the whistle. To these Mexican hombres.

[Harry]

When you go, that means fuck you and your family. Really? Yeah. If you ever hear a Mexican bruh hitting you with that, they're. They're. They're disrespecting you.

[Roan]

Interesting.

[Francis]

I also know that as the 11 o' clock chime from the ruby throated warbler on the bird clock my mom had in her study growing up, we.

[Harry]

Had that same clock.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

So you probably recognize this one.

[Francis]

Canada. Canada. Canada. Canada.

[Harry]

Yeah, sure do. That's a class.

[Roan]

I don't know any of this class.

[Harry]

You don't know your bird call?

[Roan]

I don't speak in whistle, unfortunately.

[Harry]

Because you're not like Lil Xan, bro. You're one of our true Mexican brothers. You might be ice, actually, bro. You might fucking be ice, bro.

[Francis]

Harry, I wanted to ask your opinion on these shoes that I'm wearing. These Solomons.

[Roan]

Oh, yeah. I'm a big Solomon. Yeah.

[Francis]

Are you?

[Roan]

Yeah, I love them.

[Francis]

Do you have a pair?

[Roan]

No, but I like them.

[Francis]

Okay. Because I was thinking I might get you a pair.

[Roan]

Oh, no, I'm okay. I got.

[Francis]

I wouldn't buy them for you unless I was sure you liked.

[Roan]

No, I got a great pair of sneakers.

[Harry]

What about some boots?

[Francis]

I'm going to get them. Yeah, we could. Well, I don't know how. You got to be careful With Harry.

[Roan]

I had a boots person hit me up asking me if I wanted boots. It was from the company that you guys are always talking about.

[Harry]

Solomon.

[Roan]

No, the nice. Those boots that you guys always wear.

[Harry]

The pair of boots. Avorias.

[Roan]

I don't know what they are. And you're always like, I wanted those, but Roan got them.

[Francis]

You're the pair of boots. Oh, yeah.

[Roan]

They hit me up.

[Francis]

Someone paraboot hit you up for staying silent. Yeah.

[Roan]

And I didn't. I forgot to reply.

[Harry]

No, they did not. There's no way.

[Roan]

I swear.

[Harry]

There's no chance.

[Roan]

I swear. They DM'd me on Instagram and I thought about replying just to come in with a nice pair of boots and.

[Harry]

Nice pair of boots, Harry.

[Francis]

Though, if you. Let's just hypothetically, Solomon's, like, what color are you. Would you. Would you wear all black? All black?

[Roan]

Yeah, actually. Yeah.

[Francis]

Okay.

[Harry]

With a low top, probably.

[Roan]

Low. The highest top. No, you don't want the fattest tongue. Like, I want, like. See if you can get, like, customized ones where they throw an Osiris tongue in there.

[Harry]

I know.

[Francis]

Come on. Come on.

[Roan]

Badass tongue.

[Francis]

Not trying to waste anyone's money here.

[Harry]

What about. What about something like this? Like a super high.

[Francis]

He doesn't. He won't put those on.

[Roan]

Let me see.

[Francis]

Take too much to get on with the Solomons.

[Roan]

Yeah, something like that.

[Harry]

They go on easy because it's like a drawstring to pull them shut.

[Francis]

Something that's part of the reason why. I know he'll love them, but I.

[Roan]

Is there anything that goes higher than that?

[Harry]

I mean, these are up to the book.

[Roan]

No, I'm looking to get, like, mid calf.

[Francis]

He's looking for crampons.

[Roan]

Yeah, yeah. Something that just kind of gets close to the knee.

[Francis]

Something to wear for the Kungu Icefall.

[Roan]

Oh, yeah, those are perfect.

[Harry]

Yeah. For the Kungu Icefall. This is perfect for the Kungu Icefall. Yeah.

[Francis]

To traverse the ladders that you have to put across the crevasses.

[Harry]

Don't look down.

[Roan]

I mean, those look nice.

[Harry]

Should we get them? These look like a lady's.

[Francis]

We'll go. We'll go together. You and I will go together to the.

[Roan]

To the Solomon store.

[Francis]

But you have to act surprised if you. If someone shows up with a good gift for you of a pair of Solomons. Because I have wanted to get you a pair of Salomons for a long time. I felt partially responsible for you buying the black Adidas sambas.

[Roan]

I got nothing wrong with the.

[Francis]

You didn't like that color. You wanted the whites. I wanted the white bottoms instead of the gum bottoms.

[Harry]

Red bottoms.

[Roan]

Or wait, no. Is that what I wanted?

[Francis]

You wanted white sambas.

[Roan]

Yeah, I think you're right.

[Francis]

They didn't have them. But you said it. I'll buy these anyway.

[Roan]

And you've worn those New Balances that were like. Made me 10ft tall. I don't like being taller than I am.

[Harry]

Only person to ever say that.

[Roan]

Yeah, I don't.

[Harry]

Why?

[Roan]

Just like being my height.

[Harry]

What do you. Kevin Durant?

[Roan]

I'd be uncomfortable.

[Harry]

Listen yourself. Shorter.

[Roan]

Comfortable.

[Francis]

At my own height, Solies are very comfortable. And what about this one for him? He said that? Yeah, but that might be a little too.

[Roan]

Let me see.

[Francis]

Close to, like a. There's ones that are a little. Have a little more color, a little.

[Harry]

Flash, a splash of color.

[Francis]

I think we can go halfway between what he wants and halfway between what we want to see him.

[Harry]

Yes. What we want for him.

[Francis]

What we want for him.

[Harry]

We only want the best for our boy.

[Francis]

That's it.

[Harry]

Like. Are you saying like that like a little bit of green?

[Francis]

More like a black one that has maybe sort of a tag or something that's in, like, color. That's in that red, yellow. That blue.

[Harry]

Yeah, the red, yellow, blue. Solomon tag.

[Francis]

Yeah, the little thing there.

[Roan]

Should we talk.

[Harry]

Spoil him with that?

[Roan]

Should we talk some ball? I feel like it's only. It's only proper.

[Francis]

Sure, let's talk ball.

[Roan]

We got to get into it a little bit.

[Francis]

I watched nine hours of ball yesterday.

[Roan]

Oh, yeah.

[Francis]

Jesus.

[Roan]

It's called being an American.

[Francis]

Yeah. It's called being single.

[Harry]

When I told my wife it was the playoffs, she was so dismayed. I was like, I have. I have to. I got.

[Francis]

I woke up yesterday at, I don't know, like, 8am and I quickly went and fucking worked out and did my laundry and all this stuff.

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Francis]

And at 12:30, I made lunch, and I was like, boy, I don't have anything left to do. Yeah. All fucking day.

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Francis]

So I just watched TV until I could. Not anymore.

[Roan]

It's a good day. It was a good day.

[Francis]

My brain started to fall apart.

[Roan]

Yeah, it was a good day at ball. I will say I would have been, but if I wasn't a Patriots fan, I would be. That Patriots game would have been a little slow.

[Francis]

Yeah, it was a little slow. But it was also the most decisive of all the playoff victories so far.

[Roan]

Yeah. Yeah. We ran them.

[Francis]

I was impressed. I was very impressed with the Patriots defense. They were. Yeah.

[Roan]

I Don't know where the fuck that came from.

[Francis]

Their defensive line.

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Or Justin Herbert.

[Harry]

Well, they're.

[Roan]

Their O line is so bad.

[Francis]

Isn't it crazy how much rougher the playoffs get than the regular season? It's awesome the amount of like full blown blow up tackles and maulings that seem to happen. It's like play of hockey versus.

[Roan]

Yeah, exactly. I mean, Josh Allen got fucking ripped apart.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Roan]

They were listing off his injuries like mid game. It was like every part of his body.

[Francis]

I know.

[Roan]

They were like, yeah, he's both of his hands, both feet, his head.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Roan]

Shoulders, knees, toes.

[Francis]

My buddy bet against the Bills. And so he was infuriated.

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Francis]

That Tony Romo continued to talk about how Josh Allen was hurt.

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Because Josh Allen continued to play.

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

And he's like, oh, he's so hurt. But oh, no, looks like he's okay.

[Roan]

Yeah, he came out after that. After he went to the blue tent, he came out and he was like. He was throwing the ball a little weird.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Roan]

But then he just turned it back on immediately. Which of course we did not see in the case of Jalen Hurts in the Philadelphia Eagles round. Take the floor.

[Harry]

I didn't watch the first. I didn't watch the first or third game because on the drive I was driving down and then driving back.

[Roan]

Silence. On the drive home.

[Harry]

On the drive down, I was. I was listening to like, to. To Meek just like getting fired the up. I was like, I know, I'm proud of me. And then just loving life, just like getting rock hard. And then on the drive back, I. I listened to two straight hours of Alex Cooper's Unwell Network. And it's just like Grace o' Malley being like, here's a new track for you guys to listen to. And I'm just like, this.

[Roan]

Is that actually on? Yeah, on Sirius xm.

[Harry]

Yes. Grace is the radio host. I'm just like jealous of her. Just doing better. I'm like, maybe I should try and like reach out to Alex Cooper, see if I could like join up the Unwell Network or something like that. Like, it seems like they're not tinged by like sports or like their fandom or anything. They're just getting to live.

[Roan]

It was so brutal, folks, on life for a little bit.

[Harry]

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[Francis]

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[Harry]

So. That's so jerk.

[Francis]

I'm sorry.

[Harry]

That's so jerk of you.

[Francis]

Honestly, a lot of my feeling was based on the conversations that the two of you had. Harry was so confident, and you didn't seem that confident.

[Harry]

Well, I mean, I was right to not be confident. He was right to be confident. You were right to bet on the Niners.

[Francis]

I bet on the Niners, and I'm happy to do so on DraftKings. A running back cuts through the line. A strip sack flips the field. A tight end hauls in. The kind of touchdown grab you'll talk about for years. Postseason games shift fast. That's true. I'll say that in the Bills Jacksonville game, I did a live. I had bet on the Bills, and then I bet right before the Jags had their final drive. I said, I think they're going to score here. So I bet the live line, which was plus two and a half, they scored and I thought, my God, there's no way I can lose. But sure enough, the Bills came back and scored another touchdown. So, whoops.

[Harry]

But that's the game. That's what makes it fun.

[Francis]

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[Roan]

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[Harry]

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[Roan]

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[Francis]

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[Harry]

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[Roan]

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[Harry]

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[Roan]

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[Francis]

Ron, you sent us a clip in the chat BCC that you were crying on the way down. Was that manufactured or were you actually emotional from something?

[Harry]

From the. From Meek.

[Francis]

You were emotional from listening to Meek? Yeah.

[Harry]

Have you ever listened to the to Proud of Me?

[Francis]

No.

[Harry]

It's a song about him. About him wanting to slow dance with his dad at his wedding. But his dad's dead and he's on the same street corners where his dad got popped at. And that's not lost on him.

[Roan]

Brutal.

[Francis]

Never really thought about dancing.

[Roan]

And then the Eagles lose My wedding.

[Francis]

Diddy. Rumors might be true. My mom. I know. That's traditional.

[Roan]

I never even thought about that.

[Harry]

He says, I just want to slow.

[Francis]

Dance and hold hands.

[Harry]

My old man. No, he wants to hold hands and slow dance with his old man.

[Francis]

That's.

[Harry]

Oh, I don't know.

[Roan]

It's interesting.

[Francis]

But I mean, slow dance with my dad at my wedding, my dad would have been like, what the fuck?

[Harry]

Yeah, well, he doesn't know that. He doesn't have a dad to show him the right direction.

[Francis]

Yeah, you need to have a dad.

[Harry]

Well, maybe he's gay then, bro. So who cares, bro? He can still miss his dad then.

[Francis]

If you're gay and you do that, it's incestuous.

[Roan]

Yeah, it's worse.

[Francis]

It's like I'm choosing the one. I'm more attracted of my parents. I don't know.

[Harry]

As I was leaving the stadium, like, a group of Eagles fans was walking towards the parking lots, went through the entire parking lot and got to the back wall of the parking lot and it was chained shut. And so you would have had to go around the entire parking lot to leave, but There was an 18 inch slit at the bottom of the fence and all these fans were just silently just walking up and just rolling underneath the fence. It was so depressing. I just like got in line. No one was saying a word, and I just got in line and just.

[Francis]

Like rolled underneath the fence. The way. The way out.

[Harry]

It was the only way out. It was just a perfect encapsulation of how shitty it went.

[Francis]

Did you go to the game with anyone?

[Harry]

With my sister.

[Francis]

Oh, okay, cool.

[Roan]

What did you. Drove up solo.

[Harry]

Drove up solo, watched the game alone, headphones on, listening to Meryl Reese. Just got out of Dodge.

[Francis]

You know, to. To your point, Harry, I'll say that the Eagles probably should have won that game. Oh.

[Roan]

I mean, they should. The Eagles should have won the super bowl this year. Yeah.

[Harry]

Their coaches are dumb.

[Roan]

Exactly.

[Harry]

Kevin Petullo is. Yeah, he has.

[Roan]

And when is Sirianni gonna learn his lesson about talking shit about regular season games?

[Harry]

What do you mean?

[Roan]

He did the same thing that they got eliminated when they had the complete collapse after they beat the Chiefs. And he was like, I can't hear you anymore, Chiefs fans. And then they lost 10 games in a row and then they beat the Bills and he did the exact same thing. And then they get. They lose first round of the playoffs.

[Harry]

Yeah, I mean, KP didn't do enough. The oc.

[Roan]

Kp, aj. Talk about it. You can't get rid of aj Speak on it.

[Harry]

It's a nine million dollar cap hit. If you, if you get rid of.

[Roan]

Aj it's like they gotta get rid.

[Francis]

Of such a funny moment where AJ Brown and Nick Sirianni were like furious.

[Roan]

Oh, yeah. They were yelling at each other.

[Francis]

And Brady.

[Roan]

Oh, yeah.

[Francis]

She's like Yeah, I like that. You know, just a guy voicing. They have a fiery, special relationship. The other announcer was like, are you sure that's okay? Like, that seems worse.

[Roan]

Yeah, it's like, no, they hate each other.

[Francis]

Brady just, like, went the whole time, talked the whole time. He was like, that's just, you know, a couple of competitive guys. It's like, no, that's open. Mutiny in the middle of a playoff game.

[Harry]

Toxic.

[Roan]

I mean, yeah, I mean, it was tough. They should have.

[Harry]

What should they have done? Go ahead. No, no. What should they have done? I got to hear this.

[Roan]

Everything different, dude.

[Harry]

They.

[Roan]

They suck. And they got a clean. I think they got a clean house. I think they got to start from scratch, this team. Jaylen Herzl start from scratch.

[Harry]

You just said that they should have.

[Roan]

Won the super bowl because they have the best roster.

[Harry]

Right? So why would they start from scratch?

[Roan]

Everyone on the roster despises each other.

[Harry]

No, the ingredients.

[Roan]

I don't even think. I don't think I've seen in two Eagles players have a conversation in the last three weeks.

[Harry]

You're not watching Hard Knocks then the ingredients are good. The chef is bad, bro.

[Roan]

The ingredients are not. Have gone bad.

[Harry]

They're not. You're just sad that they should have won a Super Bowl.

[Roan]

Jalen hurts is aging like milk, brother. It's over.

[Harry]

He's got drafts around.

[Roan]

You got to draft a qb. Maybe it's over for Hertz. AJ Brown retire. Seriously, hang it up.

[Francis]

AJ Brown dropped three passes yesterday to win the game. Well, two of them were really pretty, unlike him.

[Harry]

Yeah, those were bad.

[Roan]

And he's been yapping all year.

[Francis]

I might catch. I might catch. I don't think I would have caught the one down the right sideline where he had to come back into the middle of the field and a little under thrown. Yeah, I don't think I would have caught that one. But the one across the middle that he dropped, I might have caught.

[Roan]

I mean, that was.

[Francis]

Then again, I say that. What am I talking about, dude? If I'm going across the middle of the field. In fact, I think that if the quarterback in the huddle in an NFL game, if I'm stepping onto an NFL field just out of the stands as some, like, miracle replacement. We've all had that fantasy. Yeah, of course.

[Harry]

Of course.

[Francis]

You know, and we're in the huddle and the route that I am designated to take is a slant route across the middle of the field. Yeah, I'm just like, I'm sorry, guys. Yeah, I'm not Physically equipped to catch a ball in the air with the head of a defensive back.

[Roan]

Yeah. Multiple.

[Francis]

Down at my Solar 3. Yeah.

[Harry]

Launching like with their weapon helmet.

[Francis]

Yeah. There's just no way.

[Roan]

They're weighted helmets.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

Going.

[Francis]

There's no way I'd go.

[Harry]

I don't even think there's weights in these helmets.

[Francis]

I don't think I'd go up for the ball. I don't know how you run a route across the middle of the field.

[Harry]

Well, the Eagles barely ever throw it over the middle and I think that it's. They don't want Turnovers, but the 49ers always throw it over the middle and I think that's because they have some crazy ass white boys. They got George Kittle, Kyle Huzczyk and Christian McCaffrey. Three white boys that just don't give a.

[Francis]

You see that whenever you check, just like ran through, through the guy. Yeah, that's Harvard right there.

[Harry]

Is he, is he a Harvard man?

[Francis]

Yeah, that's Harvard tough, right?

[Harry]

I would have been rooting for him.

[Francis]

It's the only school that still has the fullback position in college football. Yeah. Har.

[Harry]

They have three fullbacks.

[Roan]

Harford tough.

[Francis]

Yeah. Straight out of camp.

[Harry]

I would have been rooting for him if I'd known he was Harvard.

[Francis]

Tough.

[Harry]

Big time.

[Francis]

Big time.

[Harry]

That's so sick.

[Roan]

Yeah. I mean, that was a tough loss. I, I, I, I will say they. Obviously they didn't have the easiest route in the playoffs. Like, that's not. The 49ers are good.

[Harry]

49Ers don't have three of their all pros. Kittle was out for the game. Trent Williams was barely playing. They didn't have Bosa, they didn't have Fred Warner. The team is depleted and they still smack the Eagles around.

[Roan]

Kittle's a system tight end, so let's scratch that narrative together.

[Harry]

Kittle is my brother. I don't know what you're talking about.

[Roan]

That entire team is Brock Purdy and Christian McCaffrey. Kittle is, it's honestly, if we're being honest, it's just Christian McCaffrey.

[Francis]

Use check.

[Roan]

And Juan Jennings, of course. And use check.

[Harry]

Harvard man say Juan Jennings.

[Roan]

What about him?

[Harry]

It's not Juan.

[Roan]

What is it? Juan.

[Harry]

Joanne.

[Roan]

Joan. Joanne.

[Harry]

Like how he's black, not Hispanic.

[Roan]

Oh, just saying it. How it's pronounced. Juan Jennings spelled. I'm pronouncing it how it's spelled.

[Francis]

This is for our Latin audience.

[Harry]

Joanne.

[Francis]

Exactly.

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Juan Jennings.

[Harry]

My favorite player.

[Roan]

He's good. He's real deal.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Roan]

And then of course, we can just move on to the Patriots game.

[Francis]

Who was there in the first game? That kind of blew my mind.

[Harry]

On the. Which team? On the Jaguars or on the Jags?

[Roan]

Bills etn?

[Francis]

No, ETN was amazing. It was that receiver.

[Harry]

Jacoby, Myers.

[Roan]

Washington.

[Francis]

Parker.

[Roan]

Washington.

[Francis]

That guy. What the. Every time he touched the ball, it was.

[Roan]

He's special.

[Francis]

Something. Something big.

[Roan]

He's special. I think the Jags are going to be really good next year. I thought that I actually. Weird. I say what you want, call my bluff. I knew that. I thought the Jags are going to be really good this year.

[Harry]

No, you didn't.

[Roan]

Yes, I did.

[Harry]

But you didn't tell a soul until after the season.

[Roan]

Well, we didn't really talk a lot of ball on the show this year because we didn't.

[Harry]

We have the way. But we filmed it every week.

[Roan]

Yeah, but that wasn't.

[Harry]

Never once on even the football show did you say, I'll take your word for it.

[Roan]

I can go back and look at my test.

[Harry]

We did a. We did a season preview where we said over unders for teams and you didn't really say much then.

[Roan]

I think I lost the plot somewhere along the way.

[Francis]

Dude, there was.

[Roan]

It was weird because preseason I was like, the Jags are going to be so good. And then once we got into the season, I instantly came back to my old Jag hitting ways.

[Harry]

There was a moment. What?

[Francis]

There was a. Momo, man. What do you got now? There was a moment where they. In the. You know, before they came back into the game from a commercial break, they panned in on a. On the pool in the Jaguars stadium, which I've actually gone swimming in.

[Roan]

Really?

[Francis]

I have swam in Harry.

[Roan]

Really?

[Francis]

I have swum in it.

[Roan]

That's great. How was it?

[Francis]

Fine.

[Roan]

Dirty.

[Francis]

Weird.

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Francis]

You're just aware that there's a chance you're going to be on camera in a pool.

[Roan]

Yeah, true. Anyway, you should just be hitting laps the whole time.

[Francis]

There was a. There was a kid and it was just a kid dancing in the pool. And it was like, you know, it was kind of funny. And then they panned out a little bit and he was wearing pants. Oh, and no shirt.

[Roan]

That's like a last minute decision.

[Francis]

And I'm like, I've worn a shirt in the pool. I've never gone pants now just jeans. I could not get past it. It's hard for me to focus on the game again.

[Roan]

It's got to be tough to swim in pants.

[Francis]

Heavy pants is like the plane crashed till the postcard comes.

[Harry]

I took your shirt off to make a flotation device. Trap some air in it. Yeah. That's wild. How did you even get into that circumstance where you had pool access at the football game?

[Francis]

Chaps brought us and he knew the team or something like that. We ended up first half, we were in the owner's box.

[Roan]

Oh, Saul Khan, that piece of shit.

[Francis]

Is he.

[Roan]

Is that. Or is it him or is it the guy from the shot? Panthers. Who's the one that threw the beer at the fan?

[Harry]

That's the Panthers.

[Roan]

The Panthers. They were playing the jazz.

[Francis]

That's what it was. Cool. They seem to like him. And do you know his story?

[Harry]

Is he Iranian?

[Francis]

Think so. Pakistani.

[Roan]

Pakistani.

[Francis]

I think he got rich inventing some sort of bumper buddy type car thing.

[Harry]

That is the dream.

[Francis]

I could be wrong about that.

[Harry]

Absolute bullshit.

[Francis]

Sorry.

[Roan]

Like a go kart?

[Francis]

No, like a thing that protects a car from being a one piece truck.

[Roan]

Bumper for like rear ending.

[Francis]

That's. That's as far as. For your. My information. Because it gets real spotty quick.

[Roan]

Oh, I see.

[Francis]

But it was a cool thing. It's like you're worth $7 billion because you invented a piece of truck.

[Roan]

That was amazing. It's crazy cuz he was probably just like at home one day and he was like, I could use something for my truck here.

[Harry]

You know what I want to build? Sh. You have to get into radio scams. You have to call people on the phone and with them. No, papa, I want to fix my truck.

[Francis]

That's great. Oh, really quick. We'll come back to ball.

[Harry]

Of course.

[Francis]

Patriots.

[Roan]

No, I don't care.

[Francis]

Really quick. I went into a gun store this weekend.

[Roan]

Where?

[Francis]

Upstate.

[Harry]

Why? Is everything okay?

[Roan]

I was gonna say, I was like, where in New York City?

[Francis]

No, they have a gun store connected to the sort of butcher shop that I really like.

[Harry]

Jesus.

[Francis]

There's an open door. Like there's. You just go straight from getting your nice groceries at the butcher. They. It's butcher. But they also have wonderful pastas and olive oils. It's like a small. We tried to go and they were closed.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Quattros.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Roan]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Francis]

Of course we tried to go. But I went and got a really nice gun steak. And then I deposited my groceries in the car and I thought, I really want to go into that gun store.

[Roan]

Yeah, Take a look around.

[Francis]

And so I went in and when I walked in it sort of felt. Imagine like how it must have felt for a black man to walk into a previously whites only store. Right after Jim Crow had been abolished, like, technically you're allowed to be here. People were having convert lively conversations and then everyone went silent because I walked in with like a sweater on and. And my Solomons. And they were like, one of them, One of them's here. You know, And I just. I was walking around with my hands behind my back as if I was browsing at like, Bergdorf Barnes. Yeah, right. And just like kind of leaning over a case of pistols. Like, what are the prices on these things? You know, I really was curious. And then they sort of started talking again and. And you know, they were all real gun aficionados.

[Roan]

Yeah. And were they all carrying?

[Harry]

Sure, of course.

[Francis]

I mean, at any point they could have just reached the case if something I had done anything on. Yeah, but this was a serious gun store. I mean, that's all they sold. And then knives too, and groceries. Well, that was.

[Roan]

Are you sure you weren't at Walmart.

[Francis]

The other part of the store. But I was distinctly aware of how out of place I felt and self conscious I was based on how I was dressed. You know, the next time I go, I'm going to like, grow my beard out.

[Roan]

Oh, yeah.

[Francis]

A little bit. And.

[Roan]

Well, did you get into. You make any purchases?

[Francis]

I thought about it looking at. I was looking at pistols.

[Roan]

Be specific, brother.

[Francis]

Do you think it'd be cool for me to buy a pistol?

[Harry]

No, I don't think it would be cool.

[Francis]

I wouldn't have it in the city. I'd keep it upstate.

[Roan]

I don't think you can even bring it to the city.

[Harry]

What the fuck are you gonna do with the pistol?

[Francis]

Just know that I have it.

[Harry]

I don't think that's good for you.

[Francis]

Probably not.

[Roan]

I just don't really think there's any reason for you to have one.

[Francis]

I don't know if I need the means to destruction.

[Roan]

You gotta. You live in a pretty safe area.

[Harry]

A doorman, he's. He's definitely. Or like a gatekeeper.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

Who's definitely armed.

[Francis]

Yeah. But he wouldn't let me borrow his.

[Roan]

If it came down to it.

[Harry]

White Lotus, though.

[Roan]

He might. If it comes down to it, like, if you guys are in like a survival situation and you're like, throw me your gun.

[Harry]

You're like Bilzerian.

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Harry]

Give me one of those things.

[Roan]

I need to see your proper paperwork first.

[Francis]

What I really wanted to know was I really wanted to ask, can I buy a gun right now and walk out of here today with it?

[Roan]

Yeah, I want. They would say no.

[Francis]

What the process not if you ask that question. Well, that's the thing. That's the thing.

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Francis]

So what's the non suspicious way?

[Roan]

I think New York State is like the hardest state in America to get a gun.

[Francis]

That can't be.

[Roan]

I'm pretty sure it is.

[Francis]

I highly.

[Roan]

Like when me like, I remember when me and Mook went shooting in Phoenix and then we had shows in Buffalo like a month later and we were like, should we try to go shooting when we're in Buffalo? Just like something to do. And then we looked it up and it's like you need your license. And I'm pretty sure you got to like bring your own gun.

[Harry]

If you walked into that gun store and you did a cartwheel, do you think that they'd shoot you before your feet even hit the ground?

[Roan]

Probably.

[Harry]

You think they'd be so startled. Yeah, you gotta try to do that next time.

[Francis]

That's pretty good.

[Harry]

Just hit them with a cartwheel.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

It's some grown men. Just to see if like where they're at with it, like if they just like touch the weapon, if they fully draw it. Yeah, they empty the clip.

[Francis]

Didn't you guys enjoy firing those guns that we fired?

[Roan]

Definitely.

[Francis]

Don't you want to feel that again somehow?

[Roan]

Yeah, but I'm not in a place where I can feel that or go somewhere to feel that.

[Francis]

State in the country has the hardest. Hawaii. Hardest Hawaii.

[Roan]

California, New York.

[Francis]

I knew Hawaii, Mass.

[Harry]

California, New York.

[Francis]

That was what I was going to throw out.

[Harry]

Yeah. Really?

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Roan]

Hawaii. Interesting. They just got bow and arrows out there.

[Francis]

Spearfishing guns.

[Roan]

Yeah, they're still doing the blow darts.

[Francis]

Just.

[Harry]

A wholly different indigenous people talking about an African tribe.

[Francis]

I think a lot about buying a gun. I don't know why I think a lot about it.

[Harry]

Why?

[Roan]

You don't want to phrase it like that.

[Francis]

It's just. You all right?

[Roan]

Keeps me up at night. Honestly. Yeah, I gotta get one.

[Francis]

That's sort of it, you know, you got. Look, we talked about this when Tommy was here, but I. I have reached a level of sort of obsessiveness over pursuing things.

[Roan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Francis]

Specifically like material possessions, but sometimes hobbies too. That I need to. I need to like seriously change the way I live my life.

[Roan]

So you're going to get a gun? Well, what is the gun have anything to do with that?

[Francis]

No. The gun could be the next. And the next pursuit.

[Roan]

The next end.

[Francis]

No.

[Harry]

And.

[Francis]

And all of this, all of this is because of my fault. Phone.

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Francis]

I have become the latest to become so addicted to my Phone that I cannot detach from that as being, you.

[Roan]

Know, what I was taught. I was talking to Matthew Broussard the other day and he said that he got one of those brick things.

[Francis]

I just ordered one.

[Roan]

Oh, really?

[Francis]

I had to.

[Roan]

He said, it actually is really helpful.

[Francis]

I ordered the brick.

[Roan]

He showed. We were at the stand. He showed me. He was like, I can't go on any social media right now.

[Francis]

Yeah. You basically lock yourself into a very limited number of apps on your phone.

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Like phone, text, email, or whatever it would be so that you can rebuild your focus. Because my focus is absolutely.

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Francis]

That nine hours of ball that I was watching, I would say that through seven and a half hours of it, I was pursuing Murano glass espresso sets from the 1960s on Etsy because I am now an officially a at home barista.

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Francis]

I have bought the machine. I bought the grinder. I'm fully in on this.

[Roan]

Really got it.

[Francis]

I'm waking up over the weekend, people.

[Roan]

Were like, Dming me, being like, yo, you got to tell Francis, don't do it.

[Francis]

I've done it. We've done it. And now I need you guys to come over in the mornings that I can show you my new latte art skills. We're going to start with the heart, like everybody.

[Roan]

Yeah, of course.

[Francis]

And build from there like a flower. I fully lost the plot. I fully lost the plot. And what happens is my whole Instagram feed now is just barista coffee. Shit. I'm not even following these accounts.

[Roan]

Oh, yeah.

[Francis]

They know that I'm obsessed. So I go deeper and deeper into the rabbit hole. And it's. It is that is feeding this kind of material obsession, this need to consume. There was no way that I was going to be able to get past this without purchasing the machine. It was the only palliative.

[Roan]

Yeah, I mean, I know what you mean. I do the same shit. Not to that extent, but I definitely get into things and then buy a lot of things for them.

[Francis]

The Internet is the enemy at this point.

[Roan]

Big time. Glad you've come around.

[Francis]

I.

[Harry]

And thank you to everybody that's watching us on the Internet.

[Roan]

No, this doesn't count. This is, like, healthy compared to the other stuff.

[Francis]

Dude, I'm sickened by myself.

[Harry]

Do you think if you have waited a week or two that this. This specific obsession would have passed?

[Francis]

No, I think I would have spent more money. He needed. It would have built, like a pressure system. Yeah, I'm at a point you would.

[Roan]

Have ended up, like, buying a coffee shop where.

[Francis]

Yeah. I'm at a point now where I need to put my. When I go drive upstate or back for the ride, like two hours, I need to throw my phone into the recesses of the back seat so that I don't, at every single stoplight, pick up my phone and start scrolling again until the light turns green.

[Roan]

What are you doing on your phone? You're just scrolling on Instagram.

[Francis]

I can't stop picking it up. I don't even know what I'm looking for.

[Roan]

I don't even really.

[Francis]

I have this unscratchable itch of, like, maybe this person has responded. Or maybe I have a response on ebay from that person I was going back and forth with over the WDT distribution tool to make sure there's no clumps when I put my espresso pole into the portafilter.

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Harry]

There's a good episode of a podcast called Search Engine that's specifically about this. And it's about, like, the dopamine that you get even from, like, the hope of the check. And it's all linked back to even, like, early Facebook when you had a notification. I wonder what that notification is. Now you have more notifications. Like, I'm just getting a push notification from Adam Schefter that the Arizona State quarterback is about to go to Texas Tech or some shit. Yeah, it's like, oh, I wonder what this could be. But it's not. There's nothing in there for you, brother. What are you listening to on the ride? Anything.

[Francis]

This morning I listened to the Daily, and then I spoke to my mom about this problem I have for about 45 minutes. And then actually I spoke to my mom first. Then I listened to the Daily and then I listened to Acquired. But you know what? One thing I learned or realized is that I've become the thing I hate. I used to be somebody that despised when, you know, I'd be at a dinner with some people or friends and people would be on their phone as I was just sitting there eating my food, wishing that someone would talk to me.

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Francis]

And I've realized that, you know, I am the latest to just absolutely fall in line. I've become completely addicted to my phone. And it's also, you know, constantly text messaging and, like, all that. And what I want to do is dis. Sort of disassociate from my phone, which means that I'm going to be a lot harder to reach. And I realized that the hardest person in my life to reach is you.

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Francis]

And that is cool.

[Roan]

Oh, yeah, big time.

[Francis]

When. When you reach out to someone and they just don't respond and they're unreachable.

[Roan]

I'm off the phone, bro.

[Francis]

It's infuriating.

[Harry]

That is not true.

[Roan]

When I get home, phone goes down.

[Francis]

But it's co. And there's no greater sign that someone has become a big deal or like famous or successful than that they no longer respond to your messages. And you can. Those people can get away with it. So if I am to live this life that I think I have, which is one of like stepping forward into success.

[Roan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Francis]

I stop being so reachable on.

[Roan]

I say.

[Harry]

I mean, I think one of the most famous people I know is Big Cat. And he is the most responsive. Like anything I send to him. He'll. He'll always respond back. So I don't know if that's a true correlative.

[Francis]

Well, that's pretty responsible of him.

[Harry]

He's a great responder.

[Roan]

Yeah, that kind of throws a wrench in the plan.

[Francis]

No, no, I core. I. I do correspond occasionally with. Here and there with some. Some famous people. Not to like, sound like.

[Harry]

Like whom?

[Francis]

I talk to Chrissy Teigen a lot.

[Roan]

Really?

[Francis]

Yeah, really. About home decor.

[Roan]

Interesting.

[Francis]

She has advised me heavily on like light fixtures and chairs and things.

[Harry]

That's emotional. That's emotional cheating on John Legend. Yeah, that's an emotional relationship.

[Roan]

Johnny know about this?

[Harry]

Which is actually worse than physical cheating.

[Francis]

She might think I'm gay. Strictly from what we talk about.

[Harry]

No chance.

[Roan]

What if it's John on the other.

[Harry]

End replying like an only fans manager?

[Roan]

Yeah, even better. Say something sick.

[Harry]

Drop a little hint.

[Francis]

I talked. I used to talk to. To the guitarist, the brilliant guitarist that you're friends with.

[Roan]

Jimi Hendrix.

[Harry]

Yes. RIP.

[Francis]

John Mayer. I used to talk to him.

[Roan]

Oh yeah, yeah, of course. Starbucks.

[Harry]

What about?

[Francis]

No.

[Roan]

What didn't you guys have that thing.

[Francis]

With the Starbucks that was about the Delta Lounge.

[Roan]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Francis]

But then I would ask him for like tips on watches and stuff like that and now he doesn't respond anymore.

[Roan]

Yeah, because too famous.

[Francis]

Famous. And that's cool.

[Harry]

That's so nice. I've lost him and do you need to lose some people? I mean, you respond to every dm.

[Francis]

I'm going to move away from that. That is taking up too much of my time.

[Harry]

That's an insane thing to do to even like.

[Francis]

I don't respond to every dm. I respond to a lot of dms.

[Harry]

And that's still insane.

[Francis]

It's gotten out of the hand I need to. It's. I need to detach.

[Harry]

Wait, do you remember how sass is always like dude, I'm not. I don't stay up that late. I'm not on my phone that much. You know how he's kind of been making that claim?

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

Do you?

[Roan]

Do you. I had a late night like three nights ago.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

How late?

[Harry]

Chappie BCC. It's 258.

[Francis]

By the way, if you're.

[Roan]

No, no, no.

[Harry]

I was in bed.

[Roan]

I was laying in bed. I was laying in bed when I.

[Harry]

Sent one last thing before coned out one last argument. His blood was hot.

[Roan]

No. Yeah.

[Harry]

258. That's how I knew that he hasn't been all this last night I was.

[Roan]

Asleep by like 12:30.

[Harry]

No, I mean I need to see it.

[Roan]

Lights out.

[Harry]

I need to see proof.

[Roan]

Up early.

[Harry]

Such a lie. Cuz we were all.

[Roan]

We were texting early and I was reading them. I wasn't answering.

[Harry]

Yeah, right. Dude, you're your business manager reading him.

[Roan]

You guys made. You guys were like, what time you want to record?

[Harry]

Someone said yeah, you read it afterwards. That doesn't prove that you were.

[Roan]

Someone's had one. And I was like, all right, back to bed.

[Harry]

Roll back. 258 on chat. BCC was shocking.

[Roan]

I had a productive morning. I took the trash out.

[Harry]

You know what?

[Roan]

Laundry in.

[Harry]

Whenever Stephen Chase said he had a productive morning, that means he jerked off in the shower.

[Roan]

Oh yeah. True. I did not do that. I'm not an animal.

[Francis]

That's insane. What an unbelievably difficult place. I know. Off.

[Roan]

Unacceptable.

[Francis]

That's like.

[Harry]

Go on.

[Francis]

That's like people that insist on having a conversation in the shower to prove that the other person isn't wearing a wire. Yeah, like you're hiding your behavior on a level that is. Is.

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Highly suspicious.

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Francis]

What is?

[Roan]

He's just in the shower for a long ass time. But the shower, my shower routine has changed great. Like so much in the last years. Last couple years. Like I feel like I used to love just like hopping in the shower. Sitting in the shower for like 30 minutes.

[Francis]

Sit down.

[Roan]

No, just like just chilling in there.

[Francis]

Some of the darkest moments of my life have been spent on the floor of the shower.

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Harry]

Have you ever put ass cheek to shower floor? Then it's already over by the gun.

[Francis]

And the lights are off. Oh my God.

[Roan]

Yeah. No, I've never had that.

[Francis]

But fully closed the tears just blend with the streaming water down your face.

[Roan]

Now I'm in and out I Mean, I'm. I'm in and out.

[Harry]

Well, you got to get back to your phone.

[Roan]

Exactly. Can't be away from the phone for that long.

[Francis]

I got the brick. We're going to report this is not an endorsement of the product because we don't know yet. But I'm really. I need a life offline.

[Roan]

Well, it's definitely better than the built in that the. That the phone has.

[Francis]

None of that works.

[Roan]

That does nothing. I wake up in the morning and I'm like, already onto the. I've already said I did ignore for the day.

[Francis]

I did delete Twitter from my phone in New Zealand. And of the two social media apps, that's the only one I have not redowned.

[Roan]

Yeah, it's probably for the best.

[Francis]

I have. No, I don't. I really could delete my account, bro.

[Roan]

I don't know why it's like a lib opinion to say that Twitter sucks now. Like, it's objectively awful.

[Francis]

I. I just.

[Harry]

Because it's run by Elon Musk.

[Roan]

Yeah, but it's like that has. Has nothing to do with Elon Musk or his politics. It has to do with. He destroyed the app.

[Harry]

It's like, it's just the most argumentative. Yeah, gotcha.

[Francis]

It's the one place where, like, where if you posted a video of you, like, helping an armless legless. Oh, yeah. Out of a seat. That, like, the majority of the replies would be like, this is the problem with the world.

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Harry]

Why does he feel the need to post this?

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Roan]

Ever since people started tweeting in, like, that, like, two sentences. Dash two sentences. Dash two sentences.

[Harry]

Which is all. AI.

[Roan]

It's all. That's like, every time I see a tweet formatted like that, I'm like, this isn't a real person.

[Harry]

Or. Or the vague posting is actually. It drives me insane.

[Roan]

It's that posting four photos and you click on them and they line up. It's just like.

[Harry]

It's like, that's a trend. But, like, vague posting is like, oh, do you know what I'm talking about? When people are just, like, intentionally obtuse and they'll just be like, what do you notice about this picture? Or.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

Or like, can I just say something? Or like, if. If, like, I say what's on my mind, like, you're not gonna let me exist. Yeah. And people are like, what's on their mind? Like, I fucking need to know what's on their mind. I mean, it's a. It's a great strategy for if you just want to get paid on, bro.

[Roan]

I tweeted about how it sucked, and someone, like, hit me up, and they were like, yo, in all seriousness, you could be pulling an extra, like, 3k a month if you just started tweeting more. It's like, dude, I'm not here to feed the beast, you know?

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

Find the.

[Roan]

I'm not playing the game.

[Harry]

All the tweets are on Chat bcc, bro. You don't have to go there.

[Roan]

Exactly.

[Harry]

The bangers are over on bcc.

[Roan]

I'm not playing the game. Like, I'm not like, engagement farming for money.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

It's dangerous. It's a dark world.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

There's other methods than the brick too, though. There's like, piece of technology where you can kind of like tether. Like, there's basically tethers that they have that people use for their phones where it's just like, you only. I guess it's a phone cord, but, like, you're only using it when you're in a certain area so it doesn't follow you everywhere you go. Oh, so you're not just like.

[Roan]

I think, like, the MP3 player will come back, you know?

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Roan]

Disconnect.

[Francis]

I thought about. I thought about reverting to, like, a flip phone, but, you know, I think that's extreme. I really need the camera to film random shit.

[Roan]

The flip phone is, like, a good idea and there are people that do it, but it's also, like. Then you're kind of. It's kind of a nuisance.

[Francis]

Yeah. You're really.

[Roan]

You're kind of like a problem.

[Francis]

Right.

[Roan]

It's like, oh, shit. Where'd Harry go? I was. Phone only. The battery only lasts for 15 minutes a day.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Roan]

You must have left the house again.

[Francis]

He's playing two hours of Snake.

[Harry]

Honestly, it would just be helpful if they just implemented the social credit score system now.

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Harry]

So all the work we've been doing will be worth something. You know, the following that we've been building, that it could. We can actually use that for something.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

As opposed to just it being for absolutely nothing.

[Francis]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, the first step is recognizing the problem. And I have realized I cannot go on this way, so I'm going to be disconnecting.

[Harry]

I thought that you used to leave your phone outside your bedroom.

[Francis]

I still do that, but the second I wake up, I, like, sprint out of bed to go get it.

[Roan]

Oh, that's bad.

[Francis]

And then sometimes I'll grab it and go back under covers because it's.

[Roan]

Yeah, yeah, of course. But also the. They say that, like, the biggest thing is you should start your day without your phone.

[Francis]

I know. I can't read 20 pages of my book anymore. And that's how I used to start every day, reading for an hour.

[Roan]

I read 30 pages of a book yesterday. I don't know, breaks.

[Francis]

I don't believe you, but swear I did. Normally, like, I can't. I start to panic. Fifteen pages in, about, like, wait a minute. I have to go do this. I have to go do that.

[Roan]

I. What I do is I turn my notifications on super loud, and then I put my phone face down, and I'm like, if it. If it rings, that means someone contacted me. If not, I'm not touching it.

[Francis]

I never have any notifications on because that would only make the problem infinitely worse.

[Harry]

You probably used to love showers because you could really just think in that.

[Roan]

Exactly.

[Harry]

You get that that's probably where the banger tweets were coming up.

[Roan]

Totally.

[Harry]

Just turn your brain off a little bit. That's why being on a bike is nice. Or being in. Where are you.

[Francis]

Are you going?

[Harry]

A lifetime.

[Francis]

Yeah. I will say I've been. I'm getting. I'm in really good shape again. Yeah, I recovered it.

[Roan]

I'm in the worst shape I've ever been.

[Francis]

Ready, not just for war, like, street war. I'm ready for the troubles. Northern Ireland.

[Harry]

Oh, yeah.

[Francis]

70S.

[Harry]

They were, like, throwing. They were fighting with bricks.

[Francis]

Yeah, throwing, you know, and their guns.

[Harry]

And their bombs and their tanks and.

[Francis]

Their bombs, ready to make Molotov cocktails, and they're gonna toss them through police station windows.

[Harry]

Which side was she on in that song?

[Roan]

Cranberries, I think. The.

[Harry]

And their tanks and their bombs.

[Roan]

The raw, I think. Was she on the side of the raw or against the raw?

[Francis]

Well, if she's singing in their tanks and their bombs, that means she's probably against the. That's probably against Ireland, I would think. Against the Cath. The Protestants who were backed by England.

[Roan]

Checks out. Checks out to me.

[Francis]

Oh, man. This is. This is. I read that book too. Say nothing. I fucking read it top to bottom, and I cannot remember.

[Roan]

Say nothing.

[Francis]

Yeah, say nothing of the Troubles.

[Harry]

You were just thinking about your damn phone the whole time.

[Francis]

No, I read this back when I had attention. It's a pretty good book. It's almost very good. I would say the craziest part of that book is the hunger strikes. The way that these people who, you know, in prisons would just decide, like, okay, all we can do is not eat. It's Our only way to protest.

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Francis]

And they would all do it.

[Harry]

And the British people did not give.

[Francis]

A bro, I can't make it to noon without a meal. And they would go days and days and days.

[Harry]

Well, you're soaking your potatoes in duck fat.

[Francis]

The way I cooked these potatoes, I finally unlocked true crispy potatoes.

[Harry]

They're really good.

[Francis]

It took me a long, long time.

[Roan]

To use avocado oil.

[Francis]

No, I used duck fat. Bought it Quattro's from a duck with a gun purchased at that very store.

[Roan]

Quattro's has the best duck fat.

[Francis]

Duck fat.

[Roan]

He'd eat it by the spoonful.

[Francis]

Did I tell you I made venison bowls, too? Yes, I told you that.

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Harry]

So nice. That poor deer.

[Francis]

You know what I've been on exercising?

[Roan]

Chobani.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Roan]

And granola.

[Francis]

Cool.

[Roan]

That's all I'm eating. My diet.

[Harry]

20 grams. 20 protein? Gram.

[Roan]

No, no, I'm going just the straight Chobani. Good for the stomach. I'm hitting a full reset. Just want to let you guys know.

[Harry]

I'm happy that you are. Why don't you join the lifetime with Francis? But I did hear they got rid of the basketball court for the pickleball.

[Francis]

They did.

[Harry]

Is that infrastructure?

[Roan]

That's racism. That's racist.

[Harry]

It's racist.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Roan]

That was straight up racist.

[Francis]

Expensive gym in Brooklyn?

[Harry]

No, the Equinox is right down the street, three times as expensive.

[Roan]

Yeah. Equinox is ridiculous. I called Equinox maybe six years ago asking about what their prices were, and I've had to block multiple numbers from Equinox that are still calling.

[Harry]

Really, bro?

[Roan]

I blocked a number. They called from a new number. I was like, this is harassment. I'm not spending 500amonth.

[Harry]

They pretended to be a telemarketer.

[Francis]

Yeah.

[Harry]

They pretended to be shot. Khan.

[Roan]

And they call you and they're like, harry, what's up, man? Like, do I know you? Calling from Equinox?

[Harry]

I can't believe they're that hard up. I feel like you used to have to send in a headshot to get into Equinox.

[Francis]

Equinox.

[Roan]

Clearly, they like what they see. They want me.

[Francis]

Quick amendment here. The. The British government, large and security forces were generally seen as back in the Protestants who wanted to remain part of the United Kingdom. That was in Northern Ireland. So I said the Catholics. It was the. It was the Protestants. Sorry about that.

[Roan]

All good. Forgiven.

[Harry]

The British people I'm with the most are the. The Scousers.

[Roan]

Oh, yeah.

[Harry]

They're the best ones.

[Francis]

Let's go To England or Ireland?

[Harry]

Look at a chicken and Coke.

[Francis]

Have you seen that guy who talked to his girlfriend? Yeah, that's so funny.

[Harry]

Chicken and coffee. Coke. Yeah. You? Lots. Oh, that guy's hilarious. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That guy's so funny. He does that accent perfectly. Yeah, at first I thought it was American, but he's. He's British.

[Francis]

That makes sense.

[Harry]

That makes. You can't do that accent, that, that well if you're an American.

[Roan]

No, I don't know if I know him. Is he the dude that likes. Always, like at the pub and he's always like, poor. Like, he's got.

[Harry]

He's like, get some drinks and get some drinks.

[Roan]

Maybe I'm. Maybe I have. I don't remember. Would have been a while ago.

[Francis]

You're doing. You're watching the wrong stuff. You're reading. Inciting messages on Twitter. We're watching fake English people.

[Harry]

What was your book that you read?

[Roan]

Some fly fishing book.

[Francis]

Nice.

[Roan]

Yeah, it's pretty good, actually.

[Harry]

Is it a picture book?

[Francis]

No, I'm reading 1984.

[Roan]

Is there just a book for every year, like 9, 90% of the books you read? You're like, I'm reading 1864 right now. Reading 1938.

[Francis]

You know 1984, don't you? George Orwell. Yeah.

[Roan]

Sounds familiar.

[Francis]

No. Come on, come on. Ringing a bell, that one, you know.

[Roan]

No, I don't.

[Francis]

You don't know 1984?

[Harry]

Never heard of it.

[Francis]

I hate when people do what I'm doing, which is to be like, you condescending.

[Roan]

No, I mean, I'm sure, I know.

[Francis]

But that's the seminal sort of book of the futurism. Proletariat versus the Man. Big Brother, like Overwatch, Government Overreach, Overwatch, the Game.

[Harry]

Now you're talking his language.

[Francis]

Jesus Christ.

[Harry]

But I, I, it predicted all the screen stuff that you're talking.

[Francis]

Yeah, that's. Maybe that's what's opened my eyes.

[Harry]

That was so predictable that they hit the nail on the head.

[Francis]

Yeah, the. I've. I've reached the part in the book where he actually reads the. Never mind. I don't even want to get. Just say it.

[Harry]

Say it.

[Francis]

He starts reading the book from the. The Shadow movement, the Rebellion. I don't remember what it's called. And he, he gets his hands on the book, which is their sort of bible of their cause of how to go back against the Big Brother people party. And it's so dry that, like, I can't imagine how this book was required reading in high school. Yeah, because there's 30 pages of. Of doctrine in the middle of this book. And I'm like, how did they ever expect us to get through this when we were 16?

[Harry]

Because, well, it was just so conspicuously. There was no competition for attention then.

[Francis]

True.

[Harry]

Like, there was no. Like, you had to go to a play if you wanted to see something that was equally stimulating.

[Francis]

Dude. I've read some of the books that we were to have read when we were in high school, and I fundamentally disagree with them as choices for the curriculum. Yeah. Like, I can't imagine how I was expected to read Beloved by Tony Morrison in high school.

[Roan]

I don't think we.

[Francis]

Book is impossible.

[Roan]

The books that we read were easy as it was all just like the.

[Harry]

Caterpillar, the Hungry Caterpillar.

[Roan]

Pretty much Harry and the Purple Crayon.

[Francis]

Most Dangerous Game.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Yeah. That kind of. Kind of thing.

[Roan]

I survived.

[Francis]

Yeah. I mean, I read those two. I just later on, it got into.

[Harry]

This, like, we had a class where we had to read, like, Fight Club and Train spotting in the 25th hour and like that in high school. And that was way more interesting than any of the. Like.

[Roan]

We didn't read any of that.

[Harry]

Catcher in the Rye.

[Francis]

I loved Catcher in the Rye. I did like that.

[Roan]

Yeah.

[Francis]

Anytime I see the ducks in Central Pond in the winter, I think of.

[Roan]

That book we read, like, Tom Sawyer. I liked that a lot.

[Francis]

Huck Finn. Yeah, that's great.

[Roan]

That was a banger.

[Harry]

That made me start loving rap music facts. I was like, that's a great word. Use that word a lot. Where else can I find this word? We? I remember popcorning that. We. We had to, like, popcorn it in.

[Roan]

You guys have to say it.

[Harry]

Well, I didn't. I said it, bro. I didn't know. I didn't know. And then other people in my class, like, started. Yeah. They didn't tell us whether to say it or not. Not. And it was like. I think, like, it was like a moral. It was like a John Quinones, what would you do? Type of show where, like, they. They were trying to morally test us. Yeah. It was a will he, won't he?

[Francis]

Wow.

[Harry]

And I threw it around, but I was just like. I was reading.

[Roan]

I mean. Yeah. Our English teacher would be just launching it like, you couldn't even imagine, really. Oh, dude. And this is like. I'm talking, like, 2017 here. Like, this is not long ago. Just saying it.

[Francis]

The debate had been.

[Roan]

This was not a long time ago. Yeah. And, yeah, we didn't say it. Like, we didn't do the popcorn reading. Like she would just take the lead and just let it rip.

[Francis]

What's popcorn reading?

[Roan]

When you just bounce like you. This person's gonna do a paragraph. This person's gonna do a paragraph.

[Harry]

You, like, read until.

[Roan]

Pretty much the worst way to possibly.

[Harry]

Read something, especially a book with landmines.

[Roan]

Yeah. Alternating voices every paragraph. That's a help. That's an easy way to follow along.

[Harry]

And we got an Irene cat. Seftis can't.

[Roan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Harry]

Put together two words. Actually, she was the one that skipped the nword and I was like, oh, is that an option?

[Roan]

Can we restart?

[Harry]

I know. I was singing. They.

[Roan]

They made the choice to not say it after you went.

[Harry]

Yes, that's. That's exactly what happened. Sound like a Fetty Wap song when I was singing it. Oh, man. All right, cool.

[Roan]

Good episode.

[Harry]

Yeah.

[Francis]

I'll be in dc, Batavia, Pittsburgh, Houston, and a whole bunch of other spots including San Francisco, Denver.

[Roan]

Yes.

[Francis]

The San Francisco tickets are not on sale quite yet, but just hold tight on that. Tickets at Punchup Live slash Francis Ellis. Great.

[Roan]

I'm going to be in Cleveland, Ohio, on a Sunday coming up for two shows. I'm not filming a special there. Need to get that clarified. I was going to film something there and then it was too much. So I'm filming something in New York, not Cleveland. Still doing the shows in Cleveland. We'll see you there.

[Francis]

Great. I looked older til you came around.

[Roan]

I was only falling one way I was only falling one way.

[Harry]

James.

[Francis]

Were drifting. Way I was only falling one way I was only falling one way.

[Roan]

That is to your eyes did you realize no one could take me alive.

[Francis]

I.

[Roan]

Was only falling one way. Call it just a memory Take my.

[Francis]

Hand and you can see.

[Roan]

Sa. No one could take me alive.