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FOREIGN welcome to Jung on purpose with CreativeMind, hosted by Deborah and Dr. Rob Maldonado, creators of the NeuroMindra coaching method based on Jungian psychology, non dual spirituality and social neuroscience. Join us each week as we explore personal growth for purpose seekers and the incredible inner journey of becoming your true self. Let's get started. FOREIGN. Hello everyone. Welcome back to Young on Purpose with Creative Mind. I'm Deborah Maldonado.
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I'm Dr. Rob.
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And we have an interesting topic today. We always like to talk about the family. The father archetype segment that we did a couple weeks ago, it was really popular. So today we're talking about the mother and the mother archetype and the art of receiving. And, and before we begin, I do wanna remind you, if you are listening to us on a podcast service, don't forget to subscribe. And if you're watching us on YouTube, hit the subscribe button in the corner and we hope to see you on other future episodes. So, Rob, let's talk about this. What is the archetypal mother, the personal mother? And how does this all tie into Eastern philosophy and non dual consciousness? So we're going to start off probably just by like, is the archetypal. Well, what is the consciousness that we're in just as a kind of foundation?
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Yeah, yeah. You know, in individuation, the mother archetype is the mother lode of archetype.
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The mother of all archetypes.
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Yes, yes. It goes back to Freud. Freud identified the mother as the primary relationship. And so that carries a lot of weight. Jung, of course, took it to another level. He understood that, yes, as children, our biographical mother, meaning the mother who bears us into the world, is important. Of course that relationship is important. But he says we're projecting, from early on, we're projecting the mother archetype onto our biographical mother.
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And so for people that are new to Jung's work, what would be based? The mother archetype that we're projecting?
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Yeah, so an archetype is a primordial pattern, kind of an instinctual behavioral pattern that we're born with that forms the structure of the psyche. In other words, everyone that is born, and, and you see it in nature too. Every, every creature that's born has this template of a mother that they can relate to and that they kind of expect the mother to be there to nurture them, to take care of them. And so it's a, it's a very ancient structure, this archetype. So as children, as human beings, we project this mother archetype onto our biographical mother. That's why they appear larger than life, because they are through the archetype, it's, they're a lot more than our personal mother. They, they exude the power of the psyche. So in ancient times, in Greek times, for example, those were called the gods. Therefore we as children, we experience our parents as these godlike creatures that have the power of life and death over us. And of course they remind us that.
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I brought you into this world, I'll take you out of this world. But also that idea that they're like the gift, they're the source of life, the mother's like the source. And if we think about it, mother archetype in even broader terms beyond the personal, you know, character. Think of mother Earth and that the earth is, is the here to nurture us, to support us, to give us food and warmth and the sun and you know, all this life giving forces. And that's really the mother archetype. And then we are born and we look up at this human lady and we think, you're going to be everything I need and you're going to be the answer to everything. Like, almost like the wise, you know, person that has all the answers and it's gonna, you know, protect me from harm and, and you know, no one can really promise that, but we have such high expectations. And I remember reading Jung's, one of his talks on archetypes and the mother and he said it's not the personal mother's fault that the child projects all this stuff onto that person and expectations. And it's really, the child has to also look at what they projected and what they expected. Not to condone any bad behavior. But it's not just like my mother was critical and you know, she ruined my life. It's like I projected this expectation that she needed to be a perfection. And I think a lot of women carry that. They need to be perfect moms, they need to be perfect in society and look right and do the right thing. And then a lot, I know a lot. I've worked with a lot of mothers over the years and they beat themselves up for how they discipline their kids when they learn about how powerful thoughts are in the mind and conditioning and all that. So yeah, that's like idea that the perfection of the mother and she falls from that grace easily.
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Well, yeah, if you think about human families, the mother is parenting or mothering the way she was mothered and back to the beginning of time, essentially because those generations are passed down the, the habits, the experiences are passed down not only genetically, but epigenetically. Now we understand epigenetics is. Is also playing a big role. And then culturally, culture acts as. As a reservoir of knowledge that is transmitted through language, through custom, through behaviors. All that is transmitted to the child through the mother early on. Right. Those early years from 1 to 5, really, it's your mother that is instructing you verbally, consciously, and unconsciously. The child is picking up, what does it mean to be a human being? How am I supposed to act?
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And it's a natural process. Like, there's nothing wrong with that because we, in that projection of the mother archetype, we open up and trust this person, and so it makes us open to learn from her. And in, I guess, in evolution, this person's an adult, and they survive, so they must know something about survival to keep you alive. And so it's sort of a survival system that we created as well. And. And then the mother, you know, you know, Forrest Gump, my mom always says, like, all the things your mother says or my grandmother always says, it's like the wisdom of the mother is always there.
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Yes. Jung wrote a lot about the Great Mother archetype. Great Mother archetype, meaning it's, it's almost like. Like a deity. I can, I can envision this throne where the Great Mother sits or, you know, reigns. And we. We have this internal image or not, not only image, because the archetype is much more than an image. It produces images. But the archetype is a psychological structure that exists in the psyche that we're born with. And therefore, our relationship with our biographical mother then kind of gives us a sense of what we can expect to come from the mother ART. So the mother, the biographical mother, we can say, kind of sets the tone for how we experience our internal mother.
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Wouldn't you say, too, that the mother, because she also was born to a mother and also projected the mother archetype onto her mother, and has the mother archetype within her has a. Has some assumptions, too, of her role as a mother and to the child as well.
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Absolutely.
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And so they carry it, but so she projects onto the child like, I'm the mother now, and this role, and I'm supposed to be. Be this way or that way, and a lot of it is passed down from generation to generation. And so when we talk about receiving, a lot of people in the Eastern philosophy, we talk about, like, the, the passive and active force. And, and we want to talk about receiving today because it is not an. A passive force. And Our mothers actually will teach us about receiving from the very moments of life. Even in the womb, you know, are we able, are we fed, are we nurtured in that womb? And then we come out, are they. Is that what mother gonna care for us when we're crying? And she basically. I love what Jung calls her. She's like a template for the world that she becomes how we see the world. And so that relationship is how we relate to the world.
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Very much so, because she is the world for us. Think about it. This human being is taking care of every human need that we have, keeping us warm. They're feeding us, they're making us comfortable, they're bathing us, they're loving us, communicating great love and care to us. That warmth that's communicated, we take it as an internal template. Then that stays with us for the rest of our lives. Unless we, or until we do inner work, it remains as the template for what we expect from the world. So that if she was there when we cried, when we needed her, we expect the world to be there and to take care of our needs as well.
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Or if she said do it yourself and be self sufficient and I'm not. Yeah, it could be the opposite, right? You learn that the world, you got to do things for yourself, the world's not going to do things for you.
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Absolutely. There's actual research. Kids that are abandoned and do not get that warmth early on, in those early years, they don't do very well. Some of them actually die just from not having that human connection and human contact.
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And then imagine if the mother dies in childbirth. What messages the archetypal mother, there's nothing to project onto. And then maybe the caretaker or whatever is. Maybe it's projected onto the father and he's single father or something. But this idea, the mother left and as a baby we don't know death and life. So we make these assumptions. So there's a lot of scenarios, right, that can happen.
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It's a good point. That it doesn't have to be our biological mother. Anyone can mother us, including our fathers or grandparents.
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Sometimes the grandmother steps in and. Or the nanny can be the mother.
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Animals, you know, there's been actual cases of kids that have survived in the wild, these feral children, because animals took that role. You know, the warmth and nurturing and.
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And you know what's interesting, I see some of these videos that where the animals, they're bringing the woman, brings the baby to the, to the, to the mother gorilla, like of course not with the glass in between and the Mother gorilla understands like that unspoken. It's a very deep, ancient language of the motherhood. And so it's like a sovereignty. And another thing too, Rob, when we think about our mothers teaching us how to receive, they could be over giving to us and coddling us in every way. And maybe they didn't have anything going on for themselves. Maybe they were selfless to us. And then we learn that's how we need to be as a. As a. Especially women, we kind of align more with the female character if we're a woman. And we think, well, I have to be selfless just like my mom. And we just kind of repeat that pattern of the inability to receive, like the giving is where everything is. So we can't say that there's one. Well, you were a child psychologist for many years. Is there a perfect way to parent where you can make your child go through childhood that completely, like, enlightened?
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There is no, you know, there is no perfect way and there is no one way. Because we see parenting takes place in a cultural context so that in some cultures it's totally acceptable to use physical punishment, and in other cultures it's considered abuse. And according to the culture, then that's how the individual child interprets it, that if it's socially or culturally sanctioned, they're fine. It doesn't mean anything to them because the. The society around them and the culture around them doesn't give them that message that, oh, my God, you were mistreated and, but you were disciplined. And that's part of, you know, your growth process. And, and so it's accepted.
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So it's.
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It's very subtle. Right. What are the messages that we receive not only from our family, but from the cultural context and then from the larger society?
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Yeah, and we call that early in life that. That template that we get from the aunts and uncles and gen multigenerations and the family system as the family field. And so we create this invisible. There's an invisible field that's basically like a filter that we live our life and we see our life. And so let's focus on receiving because I think it's such a powerful subject. And I think for many of our clients, our coaches or therapists, and they are out there doing great work and they want to help others and they have a good heart and a lot of them have a hard time. And I know for myself this has been hard is to receive and to the ability to receive. And so how does the mother, personal mother, really help us understand receiving and dictate that to us.
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Yeah. So at the very basic biological level, we can think of this kind of unspoken agreement between the mother and the child. You notice there's a beautiful Picasso drawing of a mother breastfeeding the child. And what they're doing is they're looking into each other's eyes in that moment. That's a powerful bonding experience. And not only that, it's communicating that you're taken care of. Right. And that what. Whatever your needs are, I will be able to provide them for you. And you don't have to worry about it. Right. You don't have to stress about it. And that instills in the child this sense of confidence that, yeah, I'm taken care of. There's no need for me to worry about it, to become anxious or to feel abandoned or, you know, unsupported. That stays with the child. Right. As an internal. It's internalized into the child's mind as this is what I can expect from.
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The world now, if a mother. So the child's projecting onto the mother that she's so loving and great because she's there for me. When the child becomes an adult or early adulthood, they think, I want to be just like my mother because I love her so much and almost take her on as a role model. So then they become the role of the giver. And so it passes down. Now I'm valued and loved when I give. And so the opposite of that is I'm unloved, I'm rejected if I'm selfish. And I know a lot of women have, especially women that want to pursue their dreams and they have kids. There's always this conflict with, am I hurting my children by pursuing my passions? Can I be a mother? Can I give enough to my children but also give to my career? Do I need to go back to work? Should I stay home with my kids? And all from that early imprint of my mother was there for me, so I'm going to be there for them. Or the opposite. She wasn't there for me, and I'm going to compensate. So that early life experience starts to come into play with. And I think men, too, have that issue. You know, like men have their own issues with their mother. Mother issues. For men, how does that show up for receiving? What do they learn from their mother and how they. Do they always expect women to do things for them.
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Yeah. So here's the. Let's say the. The subtle nature of this. This relationship, this early relationship, that it's not only the behavior that's exhibited by the mother. Right. That the child is picking up. But they're also interpreting their. From their own mind what these behaviors mean. So that a behavior that is meant to help the child and perhaps discipline the child in some form. Right. To. To help them deal with life. It can be interpreted by. As rejection. As rejection, right. They sent me to my room because I did something, therefore it means they don't love me, or my mother is rejecting me. Or sometimes parents use that to discipline. And also, yeah, the withholding of affection, the withholding of approval, withholding of love. And if the child doesn't understand that it's in the context of they're trying to help me be a better human being, they may interpret it as rejection that I am rejected by the mother if I do certain things. And therefore it's instilled or it's ingrained in their mind that this is what I can expect from the world. If I don't behave according to the rules set by society, I'm in danger of being rejected, being ousted from the group. And so it's very subtle. Right. You can imagine how each individual then carries these ideas into life based on the sum total of their parenting experiences. And that's why you see siblings from the same family that were parented by the same parents have very different interpretations of their childhood experience and what they expect from them.
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Which I think is a really important point, because you often see people say, well, if you had this happen to you, this is what the outcome is, and it's really, really not. The personal psychology is very complex. And there are like, everyone has their own unique take, like you said, with siblings. And even ten hundred people can have the same exact outwardly experience behavior. And they all interpret it differently. So we have to. When we look at ourselves and we're looking at how do I change patterns of. Not the inability to allow myself to receive. There's no like, okay, this is the reason why you have this. You have to discover it for yourself. And it's almost like you have to go inward and really discover, like, what is in that family field. What is in this field of this conscious unconscious conditioning that is kind of guiding you and leading you and telling you that you should be this way or that way, or you're going to be punished or, you know, it's not okay to do this or that warning you of being too selfish or whatever it is. You have to, like, examine that instead of trying to logically figure it out. We always say active imagination. And, like, going inward and examining it is really the key. And then we can develop a new relationship with the mother archetype, which is the world. And we start to expand that family field beyond the field, the little field that we're conditioned in and really be open to potential that the world is, is there for us. You've spent years building success and achieving what others would only imagine. But yet something deeper is calling. A desire for work that's meaningful, transformative and rooted in who you really are. At CreativeMind, we train professionals to guide others through real psychological transformation using, using Jungian principles, Eastern spirituality and social neuroscience. No cliches, no surface level tools, just depth, structure and purpose. Our ICF accredited Jungian life coach training program provides a profound professional training in small cohorts that includes personal transformation with a dedicated coach and powerful tools to help you guide others in a deep, lasting transformation. Step into that next chapter of your personal and professional evolution. Join us by visiting creativemindlife.com and speak to an admission specialist today. That's creativemindlife.com. And I'd like to segue into the Vedanta idea of the, the feminine and masculine, the giving and receiving, because there's, you know, they have a take on it too. And when we look at it from a non dual framework, there's an interesting way to look at receiving. It's not this passive thing. So how does it look in a non dual framework? Because if there's one who's giving and who's receiving.
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Yes. So from the consciousness perspective we, we can look at this, this family phenomena as a field of consciousness. Because where, where, where is it taking place? Like where are we experiencing these things? We're experiencing them in our awareness, in our consciousness. And so we know from psychological theories we internalize our parents. So let's just stay with the mother for, for now. So to simplify it, so this relationship that we each have with our, our mothers, the mother becomes part of our psyche through introjection, it's called, it's essentially internalizing our parents, but in this case the mother. So that now as I grow up and I'm doing my life, I'm still carrying this mother archetype within me as an internal identification. So if I think, think about the memories that we have about our, our parents or our mother, the identification, the, the memory turns into identification. A type of this is part of me, right? Or this is the way I think and the way I feel and the way I see the world.
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So we don't even hear it from our mother anymore. We think it's Our thoughts, our beliefs, our assumptions, our judgments, our conscious decisions. Right?
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Yes. It's pretty much. It becomes part of the. The lens through which we see our life. And so we don't, like you say, we don't even hear it anymore because it's just the way I see it. But it is very much a part that came through, that identification with a mother that is internalized and then becomes part of what I call my Persona or my ego and the way I do things. So that's why it stays with us for the rest of our lives. That early interpretation, those early experiences. Now, the good news is we can change that. Let's say we're not rejecting it or we're not trying to get rid of it, but we're trying to understand that it's not the only way I can be. That I can choose to be other ways. And for example, you were talking about receiving if I. If I don't expect the world to. To provide the things that I need or that if I have problems receiving because it was communicated to me that I don't deserve certain things, or I should only ask for my share of things. And you know, all those subtle little ways that parents teach us about or.
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Have to earn it. Right. Like, if you want to get this allowance, you have to do some work to get that reward type of thing.
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Yes.
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You have to perform for the reward.
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Yes. All that we can say is conditioned through that interaction, through that relationship that we had with the mother archetype or with the mother biographical mother. It can't. We can change it through inner work by realizing its nature. That these memories and the assumptions that we're making based on those emotional experiences that we had with the parent, that we can transform them. Jung says without emotion, there is no transformation. And this is part of what he meant, that if we don't get in touch with those emotions and realize, why are they there? What. You know, can I. Can I connect them to those early experiences and can I see them as interpretations instead of, let's say, set rules that are telling me about what the world is?
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In other words, can I give you an example of that that's really tangible that I hear all the time from clients and especially women. I don't. Men sometimes, but a lot of women, they get really hurt if a friendship, a person doesn't call them back or. And then there's. There's this kind of message that I have to earn love from people. Like if they don't call me back, or even a man dating, they don't call me back. And I guess men feel this with women when they're dating if they're rejected. This kind of like, I didn't earn it or I didn't. I'm not able to receive love. And that is really, really a powerful narrative to carry and consistently live. And then we try harder, and we try harder out there and we try to please more. And we still get the same result because we're still under that deeper assumption. And so that's what we're doing. We're questioning, like you said, like, what are those assumptions that we're making about receiving? And if you're listening at home and you want to think about, like, what is the narrative you learned from your mom about receiving? Like, it's better to give than receive. We heard that in the church, you know, growing up. But I also, you know, want to throw this into a little non dualness because there is no giving and receiving actually in the in, because the self is one and the self is complete. So if we're the self, it's actually an illusion that anything, anyone out there can give us anything that we don't already have. And so it's what really this. We have everything we need. Think about like an ocean, the ocean of consciousness, the self. And we're this little wave. The wave doesn't have to ask the ocean for water. It is the water. And so it's about allowing ourselves to be open to receive, not having to go out and make it happen. And I think when we're younger, we're taught everything in life is very externalized. You know, it's a transactional universe, we're taught. And so how do we. How do we transcend our understanding of that transactional universe, this transactional world, and really fully allow ourselves without. Without needing an excuse to just receive? And it feels, I think, very vulnerable to people to receive. I know that a lot of people feel guilty. They feel vulnerable. And so it's really baked into us in our conditioning to not receive. And then only if we can earn it and work really hard, then, okay, maybe I'll take some. But it's not. Don't take too much, you know, because I don't want to take anything away from anyone else.
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Yeah, yeah. It boils down to two questions. Do I feel worthy of receiving from life, from relationships, from jobs, abundance, all. All this kind of what the world has to offer us, Do I feel worthy of receiving? And the other one is, can I trust others? Because it requires trust. It goes back to that early experience if you trust that when you need something, your mother is there to support, support you and give you what you need, then it establishes that, that pattern.
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And so if you have a friend that you text and you ask them how they're doing and they don't call you back, or they don't text you back and you're just like, what, did I say something wrong? Did I? Or you know, am I not worthy of their friendship? Did they find another best friend? And we all had that in junior high, a new bff. And so we have to like, question, like, what is that attachment and to receiving and like that worthiness. And it kicks in. And then they tell you, oh, I was busy, I'm sorry, I dropped my phone, I lost it and I didn't get back to you, and it was nothing. But your mind starts getting triggered around it and so you pay attention to those times. What is your mind telling you? And that's not the answer, but it's pointing to the answer.
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Not only that when you don't feel worthy, you will not take advantage of the opportunities that are in your life. Oh yes, they'll be there, the opportunities are there. But you will either not see them or not feel worthy of taking them up. Right? Kind of.
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And imagine the impact though, that if you were allowed yourself to receive what were open to, like receive what you want, your desires, what would happen in your life? What greater impact on the world would you have to share your gifts and share your insights and your creativity?
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Yes. And it plays all into all spheres of life, into relationships, big time. Because if you don't feel worthy of love, even if people are willing to love you and the opportunity is there, you're not going to open up, you're not going to be there to receive it. In financial situations, if you don't feel worthy of abundance, opportunities, even when they're there, you will not be able to take advantage of them. In mind, body, wellness, you might not take the opportunity to, to find the support that you need for certain conditions that appear in life, because we know illness is part of life. It's just going to happen at some point or another. And then at the spiritual level as well, if you don't feel worthy of life and all its fullness, all the opportunities and the kind of the transcendent functions that, you know, Jung talks about, about this reaching these peak states of experience, if you don't feel worthy of those things, you're not going to experience them, you're just going to deny them or deny yourself those experiences.
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Or even think that it's never enough. You know, as a service provider for. In the service business for over 20 years, you know, there's some people that you just give and give and give to. And it's like a bucket with water with the holes in the bottom just. It's never enough. And it's like, almost like they're not able to hold onto it. Like, it's like slips through them and they can't really accept, wow, this person's, you know, giving so much to me, or appreciate it. They're like, what? This isn't enough? This isn't enough. This is enough. And I'm sure many of you had relationships that were like that. You give so much to a person and it's never enough. It has nothing to do with what you do. It's their incapacity to receive. And I think in both, in a relationship, we both need to learn how to receive. You can't be one person as a taker.
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Yes.
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Not very fun.
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Yeah. So back to the archetype then. What the archetype does for us, because it began with that projection of the archetype onto the mother, that internal archetype is still there. It's simply that because we over identify with the ego, the Persona, we're playing out our relationship with our biographical mother instead of depending on the inner archetype. But as we do this work, it goes in three steps. First, we gain insight into what is the nature of the psyche so that we start to understand the position of the biographical experience with our families. And so we understand it, which means we're not pushing it away, we're not denying it, but we're seeing that its nature is not an absolute reality. It's an interpretation, like we were saying. And so that makes it an apparent reality, not an absolute reality.
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So we're not fixed, we're not stuck. And it's not true, this assumption we made, that we were not worth it. Yeah, yeah.
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It's a point of view, and so we can transcend it. The second phase, though, is really where the emotions come in. We start to move towards those emotions that if it's a sense of unworthiness, we have to. We have to like, be strong enough and brave enough to. To. To look at it, to face it, and to really acknowledge, okay, if this has been part of my experience that comes from my family, what can I do to transform that? And the answer then comes from that internal archetype that it gives us what we did not receive through our family experience. We're able to replenish ourselves internally through the archetype. Because the archetype, the Great Mother archetype, contains everything. Like you said, it's that oneness that it connects us to that oneness. And therefore we're able to receive everything we need. And then thirdly, it becomes integrated into our way of being. So that now we are experiencing the fullness of our life through the mother.
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Well, you know, what you're saying is just to pull this out a little bit. Is that we in early in life were conditioned to receive from the outside that there's this other person, this dualistic world where there's me and out there, me and them. And then as we do this work, we realize that as we grow up and we internalize them into us. And we confuse that for who we are. And we end up having the opportunity, if we are willing to break free of that family field and expand our consciousness and able to express our full consciousness, our full power. What we're doing is we're now seeing it that. That those things aren't real or those stories. That's not who we are. We're starting to identify with our true self, which is this powerful, unconscious, unlimited part of us that has not been affected by this inner. Inner outer kind of dynamic that we have and earning love and receiving and giving. And now we start to see this wholeness that we are. Anything we need is within us. And the world is just a mirror versus it's something externalized. And I think that's the journey. But I think that's like, meant to be this way, we're built that way. We weren't built to be one with everything and stay that way. I mean, why were we here? It's the journey of life is to. It's almost like when we rediscover. It's that rebirth into who we're meant to be. So we have that first birth with our biographical mother. And then we have our new birth with the archetypal mother, the rebirth.
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Yeah, that's a great point. Some people have asked, like, what if somebody has a perfect family experience? Do they need to do this work? I would say yes, because even if you have a perfect experience, it's still conditioned. In other words, you're still limited by that experience in some form or another.
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Well, the worldly rules. You learn that there's an external world and that you have to work hard for money. Even though, I mean, there's some great things that our parents taught us about life that aren't necessarily negative. Or mean. But they limit us.
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Yes. Because they're not ours.
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Mm.
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They're handed down to us.
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They're transformational, multigenerational patterns. Yes.
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And real individuation, real freedom has to come from within that. That ability to live your own life, to go through your own journey.
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So basically, this is like taking away the filter that the family field put in front of our life and in our mind and able to see ourselves like we the. When the windows of perception are cleansed, we see the world and ourselves as we truly are, infinite. That's kind of the goal. And so, yeah, this isn't about blaming the parents, because as you said, even the perfect parents condition us. And so. And to think about it as more. They're passing on the best they knew that they learned, right or wrong, that we could start to have more compassion for them and the limitations they had to deal with because of their mind. And now you have the opportunity to break the generational patterns and create something new and maybe pass that on to your children, grandchildren, and so on. So, anyway, I love this topic. We hope you enjoyed it too. And we'll have some more. More segments on the family coming up in the next few weeks and how they limit us, inspire us, become a template. But also, they're basically the key to our enlightenment, because they are. They hold keys to help us navigate to where we want to be.
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B
Absolutely.
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A
All right, well, take care, everyone. We'll see you next week.
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B
See you soon.
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A
Thank you for joining us for Jung On Purpose with Deborah Maldonado and Dr. Rob Maldonado of Creative Mind. Don't forget to subscribe to our podcast before you leave and join us each week. We'll see you soon.
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B
Sa.