Transcript
Saga (0:00)
In operations, you have to make quick decisions all the time. Deciding just not to make a decision could be detrimental. Immediately I go into, what are the outcomes? Two to three outcomes for every choice. And then I get rid of anything that I'm not comfortable with.
Richard (0:15)
We've tested it against what we've done in the past, and then we use that to make a decision immediately. I think that's our secret. Yeah.
Tiago (0:21)
I shock with, okay, this is the results of this decision. It makes it real. It stops being theoretical. It starts being, okay, here's the actual consequences.
Saga (0:29)
It's okay because there's never been greatness without failure. And then just really allowing your team to fall on their face and then supporting them to get back up again. What's up, everybody? Welcome back to Special Ops podcast. If you watched last week, you know, I'm with my guys, Saga and Richard. I'm so freaking excited. We're here in London, team building, rolling up our sleeves, making some plans, getting a little dirty, having a great time, and really just spending time together. I love that Sokka's fixing the spelling on his name in our brief as we're rolling. Okay, so today we're gonna be talking about decision making. We're calling this the decision room. And this is something that we've been asked actually a lot. At least I get asked this a lot. Perry Belcher's asked me, Joseph Lavin's asked me. Cosmon's asked me, Mario's asked me. I've been asked this question a lot. How do you make decisions and how do you make move so quickly? And so in operations, you have to make quick decisions all the time, and deciding just not to make a decision could be detrimental. And that's what a lot of visionary entrepreneurs like to do. I'm not going to think about it. It'll go away. It doesn't go away. And so Richard, Sock, and I wanted to sit down and talk through how as an operations team, as a coo, as chief marketing officer, and as the director of marketing operations, how we are making decisions that need to be made quickly, when it's appropriate to make the decision on their own, when it's appropriate to take it to me, when it's appropriate for me to take it to the client. And just how we do that. Decision making isn't just about having more data or clear answers. There are a lot of factors that go into it. Data is very important in the process, but there are other factors as well. Today I'm sitting down once more with Richard and Saka Two of Shockwave's ever reliable operators who make decisions on my behalf all the time. We're going to unpack the real conversations behind key decisions we've made and how we made them. This is a behind the scenes look at how high stake decisions actually get made inside a fast moving company who call the shots when speed wins over certainty. And how leadership handles disagreement and working dynamics that either move things forward or blow them up. Guys, we're in London town mostly because I love a chair. Okay, let's get started. I love this conversation. Probably not gonna follow the brief very much because I just have so many things going through my mind. I want each of us just to kind of walk through what our just briefly walk through what our decision making process is. I'll go first, just so you kind of understand what I'm looking for. Generally speaking, there are a lot of times that I get a phone call and I have to make a very, very quick decision. And that decision could affect people's lives, laying people off, etc. That decision could affect someone's ability to pay for their house, could affect millions of dollars to a business, could shut down a business, could be a legal decision on suing someone or responding to a lawsuit. There's a lot. This is why I say all the time, you don't ask me to make a decision on what's for dinner. There's a lot that gets put on us as operators because it's just easier to say, go figure out how to do it. And then it's also going to be your fault when it's wrong. And we deal and have dealt with that quite a bit. So for me, my decision making process looks like this. Immediately I go into what are the outcomes that I could have based off the choices that I have. And so generally there's two to three outcomes for every choice. And then I get rid of anything that I'm not comfortable with. If the outcome is going to create something that I don't feel comfortable with, I could go to jail, I could get fined more money than what I have, anything like that, or the client that goes out the window. And then I hyper focus on which one has the most probability to the outcome that I most desire. Most of the time the probability is so far from what I desire. But if I can get, I need to get the closest that I can so I can try and create that situation. And then a lot of times I will stress test that very quickly. There have been times that I've called you, there have been times that I've called you. There's been times that I called the whole team together to try and, like, let me get your thoughts on this or to get data, to get some. This is what I think is going on. What do you think is going on? What do you. What have you seen? What do you know? But sometimes, like, those things have to happen in 15, 20 minutes. And so that's my. That's my process. So I. I'll start with Richard. I'd love to hear yours.
