Spittin’ Chiclets Episode 581: Featuring Tyson Nash & Mardy Fish

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Spittin’ Chiclets Episode 581: Featuring Tyson Nash & Mardy Fish

Date: September 9, 2025
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The Chiclets crew delivers their signature mix of hockey talk, sports banter, and irreverent storytelling, featuring in-depth interviews with former NHLer Tyson Nash and former pro tennis star Marty Fish. Topics range from NFL and NHL chatter, viral internet moments, team dynamics, player mental health, and legendary off-ice (and off-court) stories, offering laughs, insights, and open conversations about the life of athletes.

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1. Opening Banter & NFL/NHL Catch-Up (01:13–14:00)

• Cast: Ryan Whitney, Rear Admiral (R.A.), Keith Yandel (Yans), Matt Murley (Merles), Mike Grinnell (Gee, Producer)
• Paul “Biz Nasty” Bissonnette is absent, filming “Peaking”
• The guys muse about the Barstool “jungle,” Pink Whitney’s tailgate dominance, and NFL weekends.
• Buffalo Bills Comeback:
  • Merles shares watching the Bills' wild win on delay, avoiding spoilers — "I walked the kids to school, no phone. Left the phone up in the bedroom..." (04:26)
  • Team camaraderie: “This is the year. If they get the one seed, I’ll change everything. ... I will be at the Super Bowl…” (10:55)
• NFL and Survivor pools; reminiscing about wild finishes, Sunday rituals, and the joys of fall football.

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2. Viral Baseball “Karen” Incident (15:14–22:31)

• Discussion of a viral video where a woman forcibly takes a home run ball from a dad and his son.
  • Whit recounts: "That woman just looks like an absolute loser... Then the pictures come out of her holding the ball. She's giving the double bird..." (18:28)
• Debate about internet mob justice:
  • R.A.: “Are we really trying to end this woman's career and life?” (16:40)
  • The dad’s TV interview and awkward aftermath.
  • Perspectives on public shame and the role of partners/family in viral confrontations.

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3. Interview: Tyson Nash (23:53–77:37)

Introduction & Playing Days (23:53–34:26)

• Nash joins to talk Coyotes/Utah Mammoth, the Nash Cast, and old-school stories.
• Yans and Nash reminisce about their time in the AHL:
  • “He was my old roommate. He slept on my couch in San Antonio…” – Nash (24:18)
• Classic stories: Halloween “Hooters girl” costume; the pain of getting sent down by Gretzky.
• Roommate tales, team pranks, and Nash’s quick temper:
  • “I got myself in trouble. That’s how I got this nose, Biff…” (29:08)
  • Fighting with coaches and “running hot.”

Gretzky, Coyotes, and Nash Cast Origins (31:18–38:14)

• Stint with Wayne Gretzky in Arizona; Wayne’s leadership style and legendary storytelling.
  • "Wayne was like, 'No, seriously—don’t hang up. Nasher, it's Wayne.'" (29:32)
• Origins of the “Nash Cast” for Utah Mammoth — “It’s a big, giant hot stove…that’s what people want, ultimately, right?” (34:27)
• Alt-cast/“Manning Cast” style show gaining in popularity.

Golf Tales & Utah Mammoth Updates (38:14–46:23)

• Nash’s golf progression, sandbagger regret, wild stories of golfing with Gretzky, Elway, and others.
• Nash: “We played the Gretz, John Elway...I was so freaking nervous. Three or four High Noons before we teed off!” (39:04)
• Utah Mammoth: Team-building, new ownership, arena renovations, and youth hockey investment.

Player Development & Team Philosophy (46:23–56:46)

• Discussion on youth programs, growing hockey in Utah:
  • “Ryan and Ashley…rinks on every single corner…Learn to Play…that’s where it starts.” (47:27)
• Anecdotes on WJC, CHL vs NCAA rules, changes in development:
  • “He was like, 14 and he had to make a decision…to either go to Lethbridge…lose his entire eligibility of D1 college in America.” – Nash (57:53)

Utah Roster & NHL Talk (56:46–66:41)

• Prospects: Logan Cooley’s trajectory, Dylan Guenther, team needs to get bigger, "Florida is the model."
• “They’re too soft, they’re too small...But it’s coming.” (62:50)
• Nash’s Gozzer Ranch summers (“one of us doesn’t belong…definitely the poorest man on property!”) (63:48)

Old-School Stories: Kamloops, Fights, and NHL Memories (66:41–76:56)

• Junior hockey wars, wild nights, fights, epic Memorial Cup run.
• “I would literally piss my pants before every game. And it didn’t end there, Yans. That was the crazy part, right?” (66:34)
• Lighting up Pavel Demitra at Blues camp and Kelly Chase’s retribution (“All I could hear was Kelly Chase…‘I am gonna kill you, you’re a dead man!’”) (70:24)
• Getting under Steve Yzerman’s skin:
  • “I said, great match, I’ll see you in the locker room.” – Nash (151:24)
  • “He’s like, ‘Yeah, that Tyler Ganoush…’ He didn’t even know my name!” (73:41)

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4. NHL Headlines & Connor McDavid’s Future (80:30–92:00)

• Wit speculates for the first time about McDavid possibly leaving Edmonton:

  • "I actually think right now in certain discussions I've had that he doesn't really know what he wants to do…" (81:03)

• Keith Yandel, Merles discuss contract pressures and legacy, the NHLPA’s influence, and player priorities.

• “If I was an Oilers fan…you gotta tip your cap to him and be like, this guy's giving us everything. But it would be a tough, tough day in Edmonton history if he left...” – Yans (82:10)

• Biz checks in via remote, high on shrooms while hiking, and weighs in on viral Buffalo Bills content and the home run ball incident:

  • "He did a great job of setting an example, of deescalating the situation. It's like, fuck that lady. Here, take your fucking baseball." (91:13)

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5. Lane Hudson / USA Hockey Drama (92:27–101:10)

• Lane Hudson’s father’s controversial comments about USA Hockey and threatening to switch allegiance to Team Canada.
• “There is a certain place in the hockey world for a dad and it's not to be talking about the GM…” – Yans (93:09)
• Biz, Whit, and crew dissect how vocal hockey parents can undercut their own kids and stir up needless controversy.

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6. Interview: Marty Fish (104:32–192:46)

Early Career & Junior Tennis (104:32–119:41)

• Life growing up playing multiple sports, rising through Florida tennis, Saddlebrook Academy days.
• Culture shock at international tournaments (“...I saw some shit in Pattaya, Thailand that to this day I would be like, holy shit. I was 16 years old...”) (119:09)

Entering the Pro Game & Friendship with Andy Roddick (123:49–128:51)

• Bond with Roddick, “like a brother,” living together, ultra-competitive environment.
• "We went to the same exact school at the same exact time but drove separate cars because I thought I had a faster way and he thought he had a faster way. We tried to date the same girls. We tried to like all that stuff." (125:49)

Climbing to the Elite – Work Ethic and Breakthrough (133:09–142:11)

• Turning point: Losing weight, strict training, “bulldog” mentality, marriage as grounding force.
• "I truly did like look at myself and go, this is it, dude. Like this is your chance. You either do it and you never know what could happen..." (133:44)
• Psyching out opponents physically and mentally: “I’d talk about loving the heat, even though nobody loved playing in that stuff…” (133:44)

Mental Health, Anxiety, and The Untold Documentary (160:04–191:36)

• Fish shares his experience with crippling anxiety, his heart issue (tachycardia), and panic attacks.
• First anxiety strike during a match:
  • “That little safe haven was now—gone. Like, my—that little safe haven was now stress wise, anxious wise, whatever. And it was like debilitating…” (168:01)
• Wife’s pivotal support in not taking the court against Federer:
  • “My wife says, you know, you don’t have to play. And I was like—I never thought of it like that.” (172:47)
• Purpose of the Netflix doc — breaking stigma, sharing the blueprint for others:
  • “I wanted to be a success story for someone in my shoes…to educate people that thought, ‘that sounds pretty soft, dude, why don’t you just take the court?’…it wasn’t like that.” (179:33)

Modern Tennis & Off-Court Tales (148:35–158:14)

• Relationships with Federer, Nadal, Djokovic—“Federer will go down as maybe the most non-disliked athlete of all time.”
• Tennis player chirping:
  • “Luckily, most of the guys are pretty soft.” (151:24)
  • Locker room tension, trash talk, and dabbling in jiu jitsu post-career.

Tennis Parenting & Old School Partying (185:26–189:07)

• "Tennis parents...I'll put tennis parents up with any parents of any sport in the crazies category." (188:58)
• Party tales: "There used to be a German guy...who would like, smoke cigarettes on the changeover." (185:26)

Outro – Mental Health Reflection

• “If you have a support system and you’re open and honest…that’s all that you need. And then obviously therapy, finding the right psychiatrist, even medication...” (189:29)

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7. Tributes & Farewells (194:25–203:57)

• Ken Dryden Tribute:

  • Legendary Habs goalie, scholar, author, politician.
  • "One of the most iconic photos in NHL history—how he used to sit on his stick..." – Yan (195:45)

• Panther’s super-fan shoutout—Ric Flair “Woos” (201:10)

• Upcoming Chicklets Cup / Merles’s excitement for east coast time.

• Parting Thoughts:

  • Wit: “I’m still going to say any day now you could see Connor McDavid sign a two-year extension with Edmonton Oilers…” (203:26)
  • Yans jokes about his dad calling the coaches (203:05)

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8. Memorable Quotes & Moments

On Biz’s Hiking Adventure (87:01)

• “Scottish golf course into an Alaskan glacier.” – Biz (87:12)

On Supporting Athletes with Mental Health (179:33)

• “Mental health is a real thing. It doesn’t care what you do for a living, it doesn’t care what your last name is or how good you are at something…” – Marty Fish

On Showing Up as a Fan (07:13)

• “If you’re going to leave early, walk out. You can mutter some things to yourself, but to make a video?...Just a horrendous look for that guy. Horrendous.” – Whit

On Viral “Karen” Clip (18:28)

• “She’s giving the double bird to people. I’m like, oh, this lady sucks. But then…the Internet tries to really ruin your life.” – Whit

On Youth Hockey (46:23)

• “That’s where it starts—it’s not rocket science. If you get the kids to join, all of a sudden they’re pulling on mom and dad’s coattails…” – Nash

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Timestamps for Notable Segments

• NFL/Bills Talk: 03:40–11:14
• Viral Baseball Incident: 15:14–22:31
• Tyson Nash Interview: 23:53–77:37 (Catch Nash’s old-school stories: 66:41–76:56)
• Connor McDavid Future: 80:30–92:00
• Lane Hudson/USA Hockey Dad: 92:27–101:10
• Marty Fish Interview: 104:32–192:46
• Ken Dryden Tribute: 194:25–200:48
• Wrap-up: 200:57–203:57

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This summary captures the essence, highlights, and flow of Spittin’ Chiclets Episode 581, preserving the hosts' joking spirit and the thoughtful moments from both marquee interviews. Perfect for listeners wanting both the laughs and lessons—without a three-hour runtime.

Transcript

[A]

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Whitney Paul, Ms. R.A. mike Grinelli. Spitting chickfila. What is up everyone? Thanks for tuning in to episode 581 of the Spit Chicklets podcast presented by Pink Witty. If you're watching on YouTube, look at Keith Yandel and look at Matt Murley and he's got some drank out of that one. Matt Murley. I love him. Or is it some drunk out of there? Either way, you guys both have a bottle. And I had a lot of messages sent to me of people at the NFL tailgates with some Pink Whitney on ice. You know, you got the 4:30 game, 4:25 start. You get there at 10am Those are a couple of the Pink Whitney and you know you're feeling good walking into that stadium. So shout out everyone who enjoyed Pink Whitney over the weekend. I hope we see some more pictures. Maybe send them over my way of next NFL Sunday. Also Saturday, Saturday college football. Guys, you're crushing Pink Whitney at the, at the, you know, the fraternities. Maybe if they're 21 and then the tailgates. You know guys, you guys know what I'm saying? So everyone, thanks for your, thanks for your amazing, amazing accomplishment in buying Pink Whitney. Is it an accomplishment? Yes, it Is you went out and you bought some, so we appreciate it. Matt Murley. God, I miss you, buddy. Joining the show in absence of Paul biz. Nasty bissonette. We got Keith yandel here as well. Biz is. I think this is the first day of filming peaking. He. He's saying, is it season two? Was season one, the one episode they did.

[E]

I don't know, that was the pilot.

[F]

He's a professional movie maker here. He's got a pilot and now this is season one.

[C]

Yeah. And don't forget biz does BC the beginning of all of this madness when him and Pasha bombed around guerrilla style filming all over British Columbia. He's now hiking there. So good luck to. Good luck to them. I saw Donnie mention on his way to the airport. He's in the worst shape of his life. That's not great. I don't think the wind, I mean, the weather looks great there either. But you know those guys, they'll grind through it, you know Biz though too, he could be walking and all of a sudden be like, hold on, stop. I need to do my three minutes of breathing and just like cause them to go even longer. So, yeah, good luck to those guys. Merles, talk to us. How's the house coming? How's the move looking? Like, give me your mental state right now.

[F]

Yeah, I mean, I. I can't be happier to get back there. It's house hill still is not done, but we have booked our flights. We'll be coming over October 7th as a family. So first I'm coming over solo, as you know, for chicklets cup. So we'll hit that real quick, fly home. I'll be home maybe five, six days. Pack up the family and then we head. We head to New York. So no more of these late night recordings from over here for me. And then biggest thing of all is why I got the shirt on. Probably why I'm on here today is my Buffalo Bills. Last night I fell asleep at halftime, so I had to wake up and watch that amazing comeback in the morning, which was just as good.

[D]

But did you check anything?

[F]

I'll be back and then be done.

[C]

Did you check, did you check any scores when you woke up or. No. Cold turkey right into the game.

[F]

No, no, right off. Go, go. Cold turkey. I walked the kids to school. No phone. Left the phone up in the bedroom, walked back. What's the movie? Is it something about Mary Warren or whatever? He's got like the ear things on.

[C]

Don't touch his ear muff.

[E]

You see my baseball?

[F]

Yeah. So nobody talked to me, and I just, I walk over, drop them off, walk back in front of the tv, and those are the games the Bills used to lose. They would always find a way, a different way to lose those games. But now we're winning those games. This is the year.

[E]

Is there no worries? Like, if I was here and people knew I was a Buffalo Bills fan, taking my kids to school, like, is there no worry for you where someone's like, hey, big W last night?

[D]

Yeah.

[F]

No, not here. I, I, I had to get people in the afternoon. I saw guys around here. I'm like, hey, did you watch the Bills game? And they're like, what are you talking about? When we showing the shirt. I've had the shirt on since the game, and I don't know if I'll take it off all year. And they're like, what are you talking about? So, no, nobody else is following it over here. I'm on my own, and it makes it easy.

[A]

I.

[F]

The only one I have to worry about is my wife. I. I wake up in the morning, like, don't tell me the scores. Don't tell me the scores. I'm a crazy person.

[C]

That was my style for the super bowl in Russia. The, the Malcolm Butler interception at the goal line where I, and I went to the rink and went to practice and, and I knew I didn't have to worry. But once I told the Emmerton a couple other imports, I was like, hey, don't say anything. The Russian guys, you kidding me? They, they didn't even know that that happened the night before, so. And I went back and watched it. I'll never forget. You've been the master of that. I mean, since you went over to Europe, you've been doing that 20 years, so you, you're used to it. But the game, I actually went to sleep, I think. Were they down 16? Was it 40, 25?

[F]

15? 15 points? The guy missed the extra point.

[C]

Yes.

[F]

There to make it 16.

[C]

And I. And I was like, all right. I was exhausted, and I woke up and just checked the phone right away. I was like, are you shitting me? And, and Keith, have you seen G. Hop on here quick. What is the kid's name from Barstool? That that video is all time.

[F]

His name is Cody Miles. He's actually the mostly sports producer.

[C]

All right.

[A]

Congrats to the Baltimore Ravens, regular season champs. Y' all played your asses off my Ubers here. Calling it early fourth quarter. Got to give Zay Flowers his flowers. Lamar Jackson, Derrick Henry ran It down our dicks. We look abysmal. The secondary sucks. I would love to see Josh Allen throw the ball downfield one time. Check down King King.

[C]

James Cook just got a bag. What did he do? Not a thing. Tight ends look like secondaries.

[A]

Dawn trash poor. We'll get him next week, right? We don't play the jets anyways, so who cares? We'll probably win. This team stinks.

[C]

Good night. That's the worst. That's the worst fan I've ever seen.

[E]

Yep.

[C]

Like, forget leaving early. Like, or. Or forget dogging them. I'll say, like, every fan ripping on your team as you think the game's over, like, he also left early. If you're going to. If you're going to leave early, walk out. You can mutter some things to yourself, but to make a video. Now, granted, his job is social media and mostly sports. To make that video and leave that early, I mean, just a horrendous look for that guy. Horrendous.

[F]

I think I saw online today, Big Cat sent the video to Josh Allen. So, like, can you imagine that feeling? I would feel so ashamed if. If my favorite player saw me acting like that.

[E]

You got to change teams. You got to have a new team now. Hey, that happened to me at the Super Bowl. Me and Sean Thornton went to the super bowl when. Gee, we. We saw you against Atlanta. Against Atlanta when they were down 28 three. What was 28? Three?

[C]

Game.

[E]

Yeah. And Thor, he says to me at halftime, he goes, hey, you want to get out of here? I'm like, no. I'm like, absolutely not. And then we were celebrating after. Not to name drop here, but, like, don't. We ran into Donnie Wahlberg and he was like, dude, Mark Wahlberg, my brother left at halftime, and they wouldn't let him back in. I was like, authority. Could you imagine? We left this. But yeah, you got to. You got to stick it out.

[F]

You didn't know. I ran into Yans at the Patriots afterparty, and I big timed him. It was like. It was terrible.

[E]

Yeah, he big wheeled me.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So I. I think it big time. It. I don't get that.

[A]

It was awful.

[C]

Big time. I've big time before, so I guess I shouldn't say I saw.

[F]

I saw Sean Thornton, and I kind of just went black. I just, you know, Thor, Patriot, or.

[C]

You went black and gold.

[F]

Yeah, black and gold.

[C]

And.

[F]

And it was my birthday, so I be lining over to him.

[A]

I'm like, you know, like, oh. Oh, my God.

[D]

Like, I.

[C]

Can we take a picture?

[F]

I'M Ryan Whitney's friend. I'm r. Like, I know Ryan Whitney. Throwing your name around there left and right and KE just like, oh, you're Ryan Whitney's friend, huh? I'm like, yeah, yeah, I'm Ryan Whitney's friend. And he's just.

[A]

I'm like, here, can you take the picture for us?

[F]

And I asked him to.

[E]

Y.

[C]

Asked him to take the picture.

[F]

I'm pretty sure he took a selfie too.

[C]

Getting.

[E]

The entire game. Me and Thor were walking around and there's obviously a lot of Bruins fans that a Patriots fan I must have got asked to take. And I'm not kidding. You could ask. Thy probably 150 pictures and there's 150 selfies of just me. I didn't take one picture of Doherty and someone who asked. Not one.

[C]

You're like, listen, you want to talk about games played, you want to talk about the Iron man, and I'm your. I'm your photographer, that is. Gee, I. I knew you ran into him. I didn't know that happened.

[F]

I. I think we had like, had Yan's on the podcast at this point too. So it's like, it's. It's insanity to me that didn't even.

[C]

Know who he was. Yeah, that's all right, though. You're saying that's that, like, I, I've been open that I'm a Patriots fan, but if the Patriots and God, you could talk about them for a minute. If they're what I think they are or what they have been the past few years. I want the Bills like I, I would every year. I want to see the Bills win. Maybe this now one game. Right. And they kind of got dominated. But that's a win. Like you're saying they never get that win.

[F]

No, that. That they. They find a way to lose those games and. Yeah, it doesn't look good. I. I still don't know how they. They stopped Henry last year in the playoffs. I. I think they stopped going to him at one point, which they kind of stopped going to him in this game. And they're going to be tough to beat. They're. They're. They're the scariest team out there. Of course, they still can't figure out how to beat Mahomes, but we'll. We'll figure that out later. Got to get the home field. If they get the one seed, I will change everything. It's the last year in that stadium. Ralph Wilson, I always will call it. I don't know even know what it's called Now High Mark Stadium. I think they got the new stadium next year. So this is the year. Get the one seed, have all the home playoff games, send everybody out. I'll put in my notice now that I will not be working the February 8th weekend. I will be at the super bowl and then when we win, I'll be taking a plane directly to the city of Buffalo for the parade and I'll be off the grid for a good week there, boys.

[C]

I mean, yeah, that I, I, I would love to see it happen. I, I've text, I texted you in the middle of the game. I don't know if they're going to win with that coach. He just, I, I, I may and I don't know a ton about football. He just doesn't strike me as like this is going to be the super bowl winning coach. But Alan is just that guy. That guy seems like the man too. Everything about that guy is awesome.

[E]

He kind of reminds me of TJ Oshi, like that type of guy. Just like, yeah. By the way, how funny is the picture of Oshi?

[C]

Oh my God. As a football player. I'll show you guys. I'm gonna. And then, gee, you could put in the better image. So Oshi text me and Biz and he said, I told you guys how small I was. I found a picture. All these kids are, this is actually, it looks, it looks, it looks fake. It looks like. Yeah, yeah. All the kids in this picture are my age.

[D]

Oh my God.

[F]

No way.

[A]

Get out of here.

[E]

It looks like Penn State versus a peewee team.

[C]

Can't hide.

[E]

Yeah.

[F]

That's the opposite of like the Derrick Henry pictures you see.

[E]

Right? Exactly.

[C]

I mean that is like just once again for everyone.

[E]

It's unbelievable.

[C]

So, yeah, I do like that comparison. Just kind of all American guys.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

And I was fired up to have the NFL back though. It was nice. 1 o'. Clock. The Patriots. Keith, they, they may stink.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I was excited. And then I was like, oh my God. I don't know if Oakland's very good. I don't think they're very good. Like what? Like a 500 team?

[F]

Maybe by Oakland you mean Vegas.

[C]

Very true. I, I see Raiders. I see Raiders. I'm not a ball knower. I see Raiders. I think Jon Gruden, I think in Oakland, like, I, I don't know, maybe that's, it's a little crazy. I think people probably think John Madden, but I think Gruden and the Oakland Raiders. I, I did. Are you guys in a Survivor?

[E]

Yep.

[F]

No, I Didn't get in one this year.

[C]

Yeah. So I took Arizona, which was like, I was like, I don't know about this on the road. It was just, it was, it wasn't.

[E]

That, like, that was a sweat box.

[F]

Yeah, they got a sweat at the end.

[C]

Yeah, they got. New Orleans got the ball. I'm, like, reading before. New Orleans could be one of the worst football teams to ever play in the NFL. And all of a sudden I'm like, I might lose this thing. But having, I mean, just having all the games going, I loved it. I absolutely loved it. I was finally, like, back in the groove of, like, fall, I guess I should say.

[E]

Sundays, it's just so nice sitting around. Like, we went out Saturday night, our group of friends, and then Sunday, we do Sunday football just to, like, sit, sweats, eat like a Viking all day, sit there and have absolutely no worries at all. Just to sit on the couch and watch football. It's a, it's a beautiful thing.

[C]

And, and the late game, though, if it was. It's just a little late. Like, I, I. It's a little late. Don't think I'm going to make it for any of those games till the end. But, Merles, I had a couple other questions. So kids will go right into school. Lily's kindergarten or not yet.

[F]

Yeah, she'll be kindergarten, so we'll, we'll get her in a bear. About a month late. We talked a bunch of people. They said it's not a huge deal. We've been extra work here. I got some, like, American preschool and kindergarten homework we do with the letters and the numbers, counting by twos and all that crazy stuff that you guys have already been through.

[C]

Y.

[E]

She's got to learn inches and stuff now. No more.

[C]

Oh, yeah. Pounds.

[F]

Yeah. I don't, I don't know if she's gotten that far yet. Maybe I'm, maybe we're a little behind over here. I don't know if she knows inches and centimeters and meters and all that stuff. How long till we're there, Daddy?

[D]

How long and how long are they?

[E]

Are the kids excited?

[F]

Yeah, my daughter's real excited. Big girl school. And, and they don't have the big yellow school buses over here. Most people usually are walking to school or you just go on the city bus. So she, she can't believe it because we tell her, like, she can take the school bus if she wants. So she is all fired up to do that.

[E]

Yeah, until she gets her lunch money stolen. Some, some hood rat kid from Albany.

[C]

Some kid From Troy Takes, takes, takes her new lunchbox. Merls is hunting down the guy's dad. Speaking of hunting down for property, that video of the Karen taking the home run ball from the father and the son kind of want to like it's turned into just in classic Internet fashion, the craziest story. I mean everyone hated her. Hates her, right? Like just an all time Karen. Like this woman just looks like an absolute loser. And there's other words you can use. I won't use them, I won't use them, but just don't do it. Oh my God. And ok, then you got. Some people are coming out. Well, the dad's a bitch. That dad. He what a dude. The guy looked all scared. He came over and. And then he gives the ball back. Cuck. Liberal bitch. So all of a sudden now like the Internet's attacking both of them. Her way more. So then it turns in though, where I'm like, oh my God, this clip, like this la. It's. The clip's the worst thing to happen to her, right? Like just this viral moment where everyone can't stand you. But then it turns into like, all right, let's get her name, let's get where she works. And it's like, fuck. Like, you know, loser move. But like, are we really trying? Like, are, are people trying to like end this woman's like career and life? And then the guy goes on tv. Did you see the guy go on the local news?

[A]

No.

[E]

What city was this in again? Philly.

[C]

Philly, right. He's. He, he went on NBC. Philly. So they're Philadelphians. I don't know. Gee, where was the game? I thought it was on the road.

[F]

It happened in Miami at. It was a Marlins game.

[C]

Okay, so it happens in Miami. So like the woman. Now let's get ahead of this. A home run ball goes in the stands. That thing is fair game till somebody's holding it in the pocket.

[E]

Until it's in your pocket. Yep.

[C]

Till it's in your pocket. And I mean my father, this was like I was like in the NHL, so it wasn't like I was 10. All of us were there. Me, Colin, Sean and my dad. Dude, a foul ball, not a homer, a foul ball came whizzing by us. Probably ended up about three seats down from him and down a level. We're probably 20 rows up from third base. He dove like superman and he ended up from our section on his belly on the ground of Fenway park, pinning the ball against the wall on the step beneath. And you Know, everyone's grinding. Finally, like, he didn't. He didn't move that hand or arm. And he came up. Boom. Now, again, big Dan Whitney. His kids were, I'm going to guess, 24, 22, and 18. He gave it to a little kid. Great move. Great move. But I'm saying, I'm telling the story because it's a. It's a fair ball, like, free for all. The guy got the ball. Now that woman comes over. That was my ball. That was my ball. That's bullshit. She has no place for that. Then when she's. She's gets the ball from the guy, he decides to hand the ball over. I wouldn't have given that ball over. I would. If you. If you stabbed me and I was down bleed.

[E]

I'm still holding on to that ball.

[C]

I'd like to think, like, oh, yeah, I'm not. But he hands the ball over. Then the pictures come out of her holding the ball. She's giving the double bird to people. I'm like, oh, this lady sucks. But, oh, I guess it turns into, like, the Internet tries to really ruin. Ruin your life.

[F]

It's not funny because that was on the heels of the guy at the US Open where he took the hat from the kid. Did you see that one?

[C]

The pro?

[E]

That one was brutal.

[C]

That one was way worse because the guy was giving the kid the hat. That was a bl. This is your hat. This is the.

[F]

They went and found out who that guy was and started, like, just trying to destroy his company and everything else.

[C]

He was like a CEO somewhere. And then somebody thought, I. But. So the guy goes on the news. Now, g. I don't know if we could throw that video in because I feel bad for this guy. I actually talked to my dad about it, and he's like, well, I gave him. He gave her the ball like she's a lunatic. Which is pretty much what the dad says. The video. And then the kid ended up with a ton of swag. I think he got a bat. He got to meet some of the players. So it was more of a win for what the kid got. But the guy, you know, it doesn't look great. And the blog is perfectly written. Whoever wrote. It's like, if the local news is asking you to come on, just say no. There's. You never. And, you know, he comes off. It's very awkward. It's very awkward video guys. You know, he apologizes to his son for giving the ball back, and it's just awkward. The daughter's there, all quiet. I don't know if we can run it, but, man, a crazy scene all from a home run ball. And what the Internet can do. We can't run the video.

[E]

I'm being told his wife was filing for divorce. As he was handing the ball over, she was so disgusted with him. She was legit disgusted with him. Go back and look at her face. She wants him done.

[F]

Don't you think the wife is a little bit at fault here? Because I was watching this video and I'm sitting there watching it with my fiance and I said to her, I'm like, if a woman got in my.

[C]

Face like that, yeah, you gotta help me out.

[F]

You're sitting right next to me. You gotta get in her face and be like, don't you talk to my husband that way. Because I can't do that. Because then I'll look like an.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. You're almost sitting there thinking, like, if this woman ends up slapping me, I. I can't hit her back. I'm. I'm really in. But now I. I would have taken. Like, I would have been so happy to not give the ball back. Like, I would have been like, I'm like, now this is amazing. And. And at that point, you know, it's on tv, they're gonna keep covering on the, on the cameras, and I'd be like, this is amazing. This is. This is gonna be chickless conversation. This woman is not getting this ball back. But, man, did he look. Did he look tough when. When the woman came over and he kind of just like panic mode.

[E]

Like, like he saw a ghost.

[C]

It was like, like REM piece, like coming in the corner and you're like a rookie or a men's league player that got to play in an HL game. You're.

[E]

Oh, I said it right after. If I could see two people in the world handle this, that situation, it'd be you and Okie would be my two number one people in the world. To see how much different the reaction from you to that guy would. I would just imagine your big finger in her face like, no, no, no. Beat it. Get out of here. Gotta go.

[C]

I don't know. Yeah, I don't. I. That's why I feel bad for the guy. Like, she could have not left either. And then, you know, you get the security coming in, which. Which once again, incredible content. If you got security dragging her out of there by the feet and arms and then you're waving goodbye with the ball in the palm of your hand, it's an all time moment. And If I had that ball, if I'd run over, which I probably wouldn't have run over on my own, but if I wasn't with one of my kids, like, take the ball, you lunatic. Jesus Christ, Karen, take the ball. But yeah, once you give it to your son. That's my son's ball. Yeah. And. And just. I mean, a viral moment for the ages. I could, I watched it 100 times. It's just. But then I saw the guy in the news and just. Oh, man. Just an awkward scene. Awkward scene.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

We got two interviews this episode. So we got Tyson Nash.

[A]

We.

[C]

We've had him on before. Great guy, awesome storyteller. He's now doing a ton of work with the Utah Mammoth. He also has his own kind of. It's not a. What is it, like a alt cast. Alt cast type thing, similar to what Bergeron, Raycroft and Tukaras do with the Bruins. We had him on. Great discussion. And then we had Biz and I interviewed Marty Fish. So for people who don't know, former number seventh ranked tennis player in the world started following Biz on Twitter or something, they connected. And he had a documentary come out, four years. Yeah, 20, 21, four years ago, about his career in tennis and some kind of crazy things he went through. So that's another great interview. So we're going to bring you Tyson Nash. I think we throw it to him right now. We catch up with him and when you see this guy setting, he's at this Gazer Ranch morals. You've seen the pictures of this place.

[D]

I mean.

[A]

Yeah, I've heard about.

[F]

I've heard enough about it.

[A]

Yeah, it's.

[E]

He was in Kelowna. He was in Kelowna, wasn't he?

[F]

He was in Kelowna.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

Does he go to Gazer?

[F]

He goes to both.

[E]

Yeah, he has both.

[C]

So I didn't even know where he was. Good call, Whit. Nice host. But I say we throw it over to him and then we can discuss some hockey things after that. So without further ado, Tyson Nash.

[B]

We are pleased to introduce. He's already been on the pod one time before. But Yan's, you were not on your former. Well, I guess you didn't play with him, but he was with the Arizona Coyotes and a Kamloops Blazer. Legend.

[A]

Legend.

[B]

Played numerous years in the NHL. Now working with the Utah Mammoth. After graduating from the Arizona Coyotes, our boy Tyson Nash, part of the Nash cast. What's up, Nasher?

[D]

What's up, boys? Holy. We got a crew here. Yance. I did play with Yan's. He was my old roommate. He slept on my couch in San Antonio when Gretz sent me down, ended my career. It was a sad day, but Yan's took the old Wiley veteran in. So Yance, love it.

[E]

Yeah, great. Great to be with.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

You were nice enough to let me live on your couch. You had your whole family in, in Phoenix still. You were just, I wouldn't say the happiest camper to be in the minors, but you were definitely a treat to be around. And you know, we did have some had. We had some good times. And you let me stain your couch with some bacon strips, which is always nice.

[B]

What was the connection like? Did you guys know each other beforehand?

[E]

Did like, well from camp and in the summertime, that summer I had lived out there, so I'd worked out with you guys. It was like, you donor mo. So you guys were all unbelievable, so good to me and then. But I'll never forget Biz. He. That year that, that year you got sent down, I made the team out of camp or something and we had a Halloween party and all of a sudden this. This chick walks in just as a Hooters girl. Good looking, nice bum. Had like a mask on so you couldn't tell it was Nasher.

[B]

He does have some nice getaway sticks.

[D]

And turd cutter. The legs were on fire, I think. I think the only thing that gave it away was my tattoo on my side. But oh, man, that was awful. I had the glass mask on. That was Mike Comley's house. I'll never forget it. But oh my God, was I ever miserable. I was so miserable. Like, imagine, right, getting sent down by your childhood idol, Wayne Gretzky. I'm sitting at his mahogany desk in his office and he gives me the news that it's over and I'm going to San Antonio. I got three kids under the age of five. I'm living in Silverleaf. I just built my dream house. Living in Silverleaf. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Then I end up in. In Man Antonio. In San Antonio with, with Keith Yandel sleeping on my couch. I'm like, where has my career gone to? Right in the toilet.

[B]

That's the HL version of Man Jose, they call it Man Antonio.

[D]

Oh, yeah. Oh, geez. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's. That's as far as I'll take that one.

[C]

But I played there. I played there. Yeah. Truly brutal. Brutal in that. In that scenario, I was. I be. I'll be honest with you. I agree. Nasher. Yeah.

[D]

I don't know if anyone had a teeth.

[E]

He didn't. He didn't leave. He didn't leave his room the entire. He'd leave his room to walk out of the apartment to go to dinner. And you'd either have to follow him and go with him, or you didn't see him for three hours. It was unreal.

[D]

And it was always the Italian spot.

[E]

Remember that place Pison or something?

[D]

And you were off with Patty Coniker. Your. Your best buddy, our head coach that year.

[E]

Memory. Thought I slashed his tires.

[C]

Oh, you told me that story.

[D]

Yeah. He tried to fight me. Remember that one? He tried to fight me in the locker room. I took a dumb penalty. I'll never forget it. And again, I'm miserable, right? I got three kids back at home, my wife. I am miserable. And I'm fighting. I'm doing whatever I can. I take a dumb penalty. It kind of cost the team the game. And he comes in and just rips me. Rips me a new one. And I walk into his office and just give it to him. He's like, anytime, any place. Let's go to the parking lot right now. And I slammed his door and. And they had a little piece of glass in the door, and the glass just shattered. And it was. It was on. Oh, God.

[B]

How much longer did he last?

[E]

So he was gorgeous. Gordon didn't. Wait, remember that the coach's room was, like, basically attached to the locker room in San Antonio. And we're all in the locker room, like, oh, my God, he's going to kill this coach during the game. And all you can hear is Gordon.

[C]

All right.

[E]

Nausea.

[C]

Take it easy.

[E]

It easy, man.

[D]

I couldn't remember who the assistant coach.

[E]

Gord.

[D]

Oh, God, was that unbelievable? I think, like, three weeks later, I. I got traded to Toronto. And yeah, thank. Thank God.

[E]

But didn't you take your equipment off and you're like, all right, let's go to the parking lot now. And, like, took your equipment off and, like, walked up to the parking lot.

[D]

Oh, yeah. And you know what? And in fairness to Pat, like, he was in the same boat. He was my assistant coach in Phoenix. He was the best human being on the planet. All of a sudden, he's a head coach. You guys know the scenario. And they become heroes, right? And he was miserable, too, because his wife wasn't living there, living away from home. He's in the minors at whatever age. So I kind of get where he was coming from. Now that I look back, right later in my career, I was pretty hard on him too.

[C]

Nashley.

[B]

You've always ran hot, though.

[D]

You got.

[B]

You got a quick wick, right? Which probably played to your advantage in the way that you played hockey, but that is.

[D]

Yeah, that's how I got this nose Biff, right. I got myself in trouble.

[B]

Yeah, I got. I got the same issue for sure. We never won many fights, but, man, were we willing to show up. That's why we had to challenge our coaches so we could fucking. So we could find one. That is so good.

[C]

What.

[B]

What did you say back to Wayne after, like, when he set you down? Were you like, wayne, no, please let me stay.

[D]

Oh, like everything. My agent was blowing up his phone. Wayne was like, oh, my God, we can't get rid of this guy quick. But, I mean, it was so hard, right? What do you say? I mean, this guy. I had Wayne Gretzky wallpaper, Wayne Gretzky bed sheets growing up. And then I had a chance to play for him. In fact, when I got traded from the St. Louis Blues, it wasn't Shane Doane, it wasn't Michael Barnett, it wasn't Larry Plo, the GM of the Blues, that called me first to tell me that I got traded. It was 99. Wayne Gretzky's on the horn, and I actually hung up on him. I'm like, yeah, yeah. Which one of my idiot buddies is this at? Hung up the phone. And he calls me back. He's like, no, seriously, don't hang up. Nasher, it's Wayne. I'm so pumped to have you and be a part of the Phoenix Coyotes. That didn't last long, but I did have a couple seasons. But, yeah, it was tough. When you're idle, your childhood idol ends your career pretty much. But it was time. Now, again, when I look back, I'm like, it was time. And he got me into broadcasting and he said he'd take care of me as long as I wanted to do it, as long as I worked hard, did. Did my gig, did my job. And honestly, it was the best experience of my life broadcasting as Wayne Gretzky is the coach. And you can tell, right, that why he was such a great leader with the Edmonton Oilers, why he was the captain. I mean, he just does captain things even as. Even as the coach. We would literally get to a city and a hotel, and it was mandatory for everyone. But the players throw their bags in the room and come down for one orange juice, one drink, one wine, whatever, and you would just sit there and listen. The Gretz just firing after stories. And I know you Guys, you especially Bis, know his memory, right? And what he remembers, the detail. And you're just sitting there like, oh my God, like you can't get enough of story time with Wayne.

[B]

If he started a podcast, we'd all be out of business. The Nash Cast, the Spit and Checklist podcast, because this guy can tell stories.

[C]

And they'd be Joe Rogan length biz because he just, you could talk to him for five hours and hear different stories 10 days in a row.

[B]

Yeah, he's a hockey encyclopedia. He remembers all the details. He, he crushes the punch lines. Now, going back to, to that training camp you had with Yan's, I would imagine, Yans, that was probably your first season pro. So you go to training camp. What did you make of Yan's when you first see him? Because he looked like a. He looked like he'd been incarcerated for five years.

[C]

Full metal jacket picture.

[B]

Yeah, he was full metal jacket, shaved head, private pile. He looked like £250. Were you like, what the fuck is this guy's deal?

[D]

Oh, yeah, like, I instantly loved them because, like, just, you could just tell there's a wild side to him too, right? Like, he was, he was young, but so good, so talented, but he was literally the wild thing. He'd be toe dragging on the blue line, like just taking like all the risks in the world, but he, but he had the talent, right, to do it. He just maybe needed a little bit of, a little bit of coaching, a little bit of guidance, but you knew it was in him and he would, would be a special player. But again, back to Pat Connicker, like how hard he was on you. And I don't know, I don't know what you think, Gans, or if that was maybe good for you or not, but I remember he was ruthless with your game.

[E]

So. Remember he used to make me, he'd make me jump. He'd jump on the back of the net and I'd have to push him up and down the ice. After practice with the ice in San Antonio, after an hour and a half, practice was so bad. And he'd just be yelling in my face, like he's standing on the back of the net yelling at me, you're gonna do nothing. You're gonna. I'm like, oh my God. Yeah, you just, yeah, you definitely get humbled because you come from junior, right? You're, you know, one of the best players and then you're like, oh God, this is pro, right? So, yeah, he was definitely good for me.

[C]

Hey, the best part of that year was when you got called up. You're like, I'm getting called up. Unreal. And they literally just called you up to bag skate you for a week and set you back down.

[D]

Were you a little chubby yens back then? I can't remember.

[E]

You didn't work out? I was a little heavy in the diapers. They, they, they called me up one time to because remember the kid Logan, Logan Stevenson, he was like a first rounder D man. And they called me up to so I wouldn't be going out with him in the minors because like he couldn't play hungover. He was like the worst player in practice. They were like, you get. They're like, we don't care if you go out and ruin your career. But this first rounder, we need him to be good and he can't hang with you. Yeah.

[D]

On this guy.

[B]

You're ruining us.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, man. Well, master, we, we've already got you on before to talk about a lot of your career. We did want to talk to you about things that you do have going on now. Unfortunate that the Arizona Coyotes end up moving on to Utah, but you knowing Ryan Smith have kind of connected and you have a Nash cast going on where you're doing that in some cases during the game. But you've also now spiraled over to a podcast form as well, correct?

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

So you know what? It's. I'm just another idiot with a podcast now, right? It seems like if you don't have a podcast, there's something wrong with you. But it was actually fascinating because I didn't get the job that I wanted to. And first of all, yeah, it is very sad, right, that Arizona Yan, you were there. Bis, you were there. One of the best cities in America. It really is. You just needed to put the rink in the right spot with the right ownership group and, and it would have worked. And hopefully one day they do get a team back because we built something special there. It was there for 28 years and we had great hockey fans. It just ultimately the rink was not in the right place. I say this all the time. You could put the Edmonton Oilers with dry Seidel and McDavid out in Wainwright, Alberta, and fans wouldn't go to watch. You just can't. Right? Not for the amount of games that you need to create that revenue base. But anyway, Utah, they deserve a team and they have the perfect owner and Ryan Smith and Ashley. And when I didn't get the job in TV because I kind of wanted to continue Being between the benches and doing what I had done for the last 16, 17 years, I mean, it's. There's nothing better. It's the best job in the world. So I was. I was pretty choked up when I. When I didn't get it. But he came to me, and we belonged to the same golf course in the summertime and where he came up with the idea for the Nash cast. I mean, obviously, it's not very unique with the Peyton Manning cast, but after golf, we would sit there, and there's a big round table at our golf course, and he would sit there and he would listen to Ray Whitney, Kelly Chase, Brendan Morrow, John Elway, like a bunch of these guys, and he's just looking around going, these are the best stories I've ever heard. And every time a guy would come off the course, they'd sit, have a beer, and we'd tell more stories, and the table would get bigger, and it was a big, giant hot stove. And he's like, we got to come up with something like, do you think you could do this on TV while we stream the Utah at the time hockey club games, and now the Mammoth, right? And I'm like, oh, God, I don't know. First of all, I'm not Peyton Manning. I'm not Eli Manning. I'm probably the third best Nash to play in the National Hockey League, right? Nobody knows Tyson. Every time I say, and there's only two of them, I'm like, it's Nash. They're like, you're Rick Nash. I'm like, no, Riley. No, I'm Tyson. Yeah. So I don't know how it worked, but we. We made it work. There were some growing pains. We did nine Nash casts last year where we live stream the game, we bring in guests. Bis, I know you've been on the show, and I think we ended up with 38 guests. I think eight or nine of those were hall of Famers. And that's what people want ultimately, right? As you guys know, they want the stories. And when you're doing a live broadcast, there's not enough time to tell stories after a goal. You got five seconds before a puck drop. What do you. What are you going to possibly say, right? That that's relative to what just happened. So it's. I think every team in the league should do it. I think it's just a, you know, another option for them to have to watch our great game and hear some of these great stories, whether they're mammoth related or not. But it's just guys Love to tell stories and hockey players are the best dudes on the planet.

[C]

So the Bruins started it this year with Bergeron, Tuka and Andrew Raycroft. And I actually went on for one of the games. It was a blast. And it is cool because fans can watch the announcers. They can tune in for a period with that. It's just a different way to watch it. The Red Sox have done it with a former barstool employee that, that's a big Red Sox fan. So I, I agree with you. It's kind of the future way where you could choose how to watch games. I like it. But I did want to ask you. I've been told that Ryan Smith is like beyond nasty at golf.

[D]

Oh, God, yeah. Dude, we gotta get a fan. I want a. I want a rematch.

[C]

We dusted you two dust sandbagger.

[D]

Don't.

[B]

The ugliest swing in sandbagger history.

[E]

Do you still do driver lefty irons righty?

[D]

No. Yans. I'm dialed now. I am dialed. I'm ready. I'm ready. I have not lived down that sandbagger show. I mean, I was awful. Like beyond awful. And Donor was worse. Like, am I wrong? I mean, frick. I think he had a. I don't know what was going on with Donor. He was nervous. He was, he was nervous. He had to.

[B]

So the, the, the good news down Asher though is it's the three of us, right? So you would be able to add Ryan Smith and hopefully another former hockey player where you would be able to have another shot of the title. It was an ugly performance in the first one. I believe we're going to have one reoccurring guest before we would film one with you guys. But you have Ryan Smith line us up at a nice dialed course and you guys bring your game. And we would love to do a Utah Mammoth style one.

[D]

Oh, let's do it, boys. Let's do it. Yeah, I've, I've improved. I've improved a lot. I, I'll tell you what. We played in a tournament the other day. The member guest for back to back. I've never played with grets before. Right. Oh my God. Was I literally shitting my pants? I'm like, I was so freaking nervous. I think I banged down like three or four high noons before we teed off at nine in the morning. My wife's like, what is wrong you?

[C]

I'm like, what are you doing?

[D]

I'm playing. I'm playing. Playing with grats. We played the Grats. Jean Elway and, and coupe.

[E]

I mean, Gret sent you down, let you play.

[C]

Oh, yeah, went to the public course.

[E]

Hey, how, how, how good are his one liners on the course? Like when he makes a putt and he's like, did you not have a TV growing up?

[D]

Oh, yeah, yeah, it's amazing.

[E]

He's so funny.

[D]

He just ruthless, right? He's, he's just ruthless. He. We were on the boat, so we get on this boat and our boat driver's John Elway. So we're going across the lake to play at this resort style golf course. Gretz is in there, Brendan Morrow, Ray Whitney, Russ Courtnell, Chaser was in there and myself. And then Coop and Gretz. And I'm sitting there, I'm like, holy cow, what is going on? And we're playing in this, you know, like this pay. You had to pay to play with a, a, a celebrity. And my buddy walks by Jake Friedman and he goes, nasher, who are you playing with today? Who'd you pay for? And, and Gretz literally almost fell off the dock. He was laughing so hard. He's, he just loves it.

[B]

Oh, he loves the chirping. Oh, yeah, he loves the banter.

[C]

Last episode we recorded, we were, we were kind of talking about, we're talking about Lane Hudson not being invited to the Team USA orientation camp for the Olympics. You're watching this guy up close and personal. And Clayton Keller, I just kind of thought of this with golf. He's another stick. Yeah, let's, let's have you explain why he should be on Team USA come, come the Olympics in February.

[D]

Well, first of all, they lost, right? So when you lose, you, you got to make adjustments. So I think last year more than anything, I mean, you should have seen Keller play when we played Minnesota when he got dusted by Billy Guerin. I mean, look, look at the stat sheet. It was like three points, four points, two points. I mean, he literally wanted to stick it right to the Garren for not taking them, right? So I think he proved his point last year. I think he ended up with 90 or 91 points. You know, he, he's a, he's a great player. He's got a ton of, he's got a ton of just connection with Matthews and the Tkachuk brother. I mean, some of these, they all grew up playing together, right? So it's, it's a perfect fit. Chemistry. That's the word I'm freaking thinking of, so.

[B]

Well, not sure you say like, stick it to Garen, but like Billy G would be the first guy to love that like he, he wants to see a guy who doesn't make that roster, they'll have a fire lit under, underneath them where. But when it comes to preparation as far as like his diet, how he exercises his mental edge working with Coach Dar like he's all in. Clayton Keller, he is 100% in just as much as anyone around the league. And I guess you could say maybe the one thing holding him back is his size, but his, like his neurological aspect of the game and how he thinks it and how he finds those holes and how he takes advantage and plays to his ability is, is, is kind of second to none.

[D]

Yeah. And you know what else? Like watching him grow up, I mean he was there as an 18 year old, right. So I watched this kid forever. And just the steps that he has taken and now I think putting that C on his jersey has been the best thing that's ever happened for him and for the team because now they have a leadership and a leader in that locker room who's starting to say the right things. Right. And he's not always worried about his points. Like maybe he was as every young player is at 18, 19 and 20. Like he's now he wants to win. This is his team. He's embarrassed now. I mean if they don't make the playoffs next year, he's already come out and say it, said it. If we don't make the playoffs, like that's, that's a losing year for us. That does not look good on our team and on me because we have the guys to do it and he's the leader. Right. So he took his play to a whole other level this year that I think the coaches and management were really hoping he would. So it's nice to see.

[C]

Last year I had them getting in. I think they were going to be my surprise team. Look good for a while, but yeah, you would think this season they make some big steps. Have you heard what they kind of were going to do with the arena? Because I think it was a three summer big job where they're going to make it more hockey friendly. I. The atmosphere already looked incredible, but there were some blind spots, right?

[D]

Yeah, you. And that's why, like I know we talked before we began taping this, but we got to get you guys out there just to experience it and understand and realize and help, help sell it right to the rest of the league because it is a destination. I think guys really enjoy it there, especially the married guys. They just love it. I mean you got Park City, Deer Valley. I mean, you got the most beautiful mountains in the world right around you, right? So I think free agency has been. Is going to be a lot easier. And we know that Ryan Smith has the dough to do it, right? He wants to spend it, he wants to win now, and who doesn't want to sign up for that? So it's certainly going to be a place that all the players want to go. And I can't wait to see what's going to happen because this team is, is ready finally, I think, to take that next step. Logan Cooley's a year older, Dylan Gunther's a year older, and that needs to happen. They might be a couple years away of really adding some big pieces to what they want to do, but they're pretty damn close.

[E]

And they're making moves, right? Like, obviously you hate to see Josh Dong get traded, you know, when it's a buddy's kid. But, like, they're making moves to get better, right? They're going out there, they're trying to get better. Like Ryan Smith, to me, he's a member at my course down here, too. And he just seemed even with the base, the basketball stuff, like, he just seems like a guy that all he wants to do is win and put guys in a good situation. Like, I was talking to Nick Bu the other day, he was like, dude, every day is just a good day there because, like, he treats you so well. It's like family oriented, right?

[D]

Yeah. And Whit, again, I. Too many concussions. I forgot to answer your actual question. But the rink, I mean, I think there was like 11,000 seats in the rink that could actually see both nets. So obviously that's an issue, much like it was in Arizona when they moved the team out to Glendale. So he is spending the money. He's got the city to step up and spend the money. That's the type of relationship that he has. I mean, he's. What is he, 46 years old and he's like a multi, multi billionaire and he's putting the finances together to make those moves, to make it the best fan experience for his community that he possibly can. So the rink, it's 24 hours a day, around the clock. China, they blew out at least one side. I haven't seen it up close and personal, but by, I think three years, both sides are going to see the nets. It is going to be a fan experience like you've never seen before. So the team's in a good spot.

[E]

And yeah, I mean, you saw it in Phoenix as well. Just like the youth programs that benefit from having a team there and having guys like Auston Matthews drafted first overall. Like, I would imagine he's putting his resources into. Into the youth hockey, too. So kids in, you know, 10, 15 years, we're going to see a lot of kids from Utah getting drafted and in the NHL.

[D]

Yeah. So we interviewed a kid yesterday. Schaefer Carol Gordon, played for Team USA at the Helena Gretzky Cup. What a stud. This guy is. Born and raised in Utah. But he said to us, he's like, we didn't have the players, we didn't have the coaching. We didn't have the ranks to grow the game at all. So Ryan and Ashley, that's what they're doing. I think they're. I don't know how many millions of dollars are putting together to build, like, almost ranks on every single corner, certainly in every city around Utah, to make it hockey friendly. We spent a good majority of the summer this year just teaching the young kids, getting them out, learn to play, you know, girls, boys. Because that's where it starts. It starts at the grassroots. It's not rocket science. Right. If you get the kids to join, all of a sudden they're pulling on mom and dad's coattails and they're like, I want to go to a hockey game. I want to go watch the Mammoth. And, you know, I mean, tickets are almost impossible to get as it is right now. But now these kids growing up, they want to be hockey players just like I was. Just like you guys were growing up in Edmonton watching all those great players.

[B]

That's awesome. Before we hopped on, because you just mentioned Josh Doane. Shane Doane was teeing us up for a few Tyson Nash stories. I'll throw it over to you, Yance, for some of the real juicy ones that you were talking about. What was the one that stood out the most? The Nicole Kidman.

[E]

That one. Yeah. But the one that I like the best. Because, you know, anyone who knows Nasher, he's not afraid to throw some salt and pepper in his stories, just like his hair, which never let the truth get in the way of a good story. But I need to know. I've heard so many conflicting stories about the time you got jumped by some skateboarders when you were in. In Kamloops.

[D]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Yeah. Oh, freaking donor.

[C]

Take their air walks.

[B]

Hey, to. To give a little backstory, though, Nasher, you're. You're a legend. Loose blazer. What did you win three Memorial Cups?

[D]

Yeah. I Think. Yeah. Was it four years? Yeah. I wasn't. I'm not quite sure.

[B]

You sound like Wayne now.

[C]

Yeah, exactly.

[D]

Yeah. Except his were Stanley's. Mine.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah. You know what was funny? Like, my kid, you know, went through the Western Hockey League, right? And I don't think he was all that impressed. Like, growing up, he's like, yeah, whatever. But when you actually play, he was like, holy crap, dad. He's like, just making the playoffs is hard enough. And then they went to the. The West WHL championship finals against Dylan Gunther and lost to Seattle in four straight. And he's like, holy crap. Like, you did this three different times and went all the way. Like, you just get a new respect, right, for. For the.

[B]

The challengers win the league every time.

[D]

Oh, yeah, we. We dominated even though we hosted the one year. I mean, we literally ran the table. We dusted everyone. I mean, some of the guys. I mean, we had Darcy Tucker, Jason Strudwick, Nolan Baumgartner, Daryl Sedor. I mean, Corey Hirsch.

[B]

Like the Rome.

[D]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. That guy Jerome again. Yeah. So it was. It was crazy, but I'm just trying to deflect on that.

[B]

That story. Deflecting.

[D]

So you.

[B]

How do you find yourself in this predicament? You guys must have been running around town like legends, drinking.

[D]

Yeah. And you know what? Like the, the football. I don't know who it was. I don't know. You know, he said it was skateboarders. I don't know who it was. I thought they were maybe like rugby or. Or wrestlers, like, because we ran the school, right? Like, you, you. You go into school and like, we're like. I don't know, like we're little studs, right? We just got charismatic and we got long flowing loafs and we're in good shape and, you know, and we kind of, you know, walk the walk and. And we had.

[C]

The guys are like, where'd these guys come from?

[D]

Yeah, right.

[C]

All the girls we know, they got.

[B]

The varsity jackets on the campus. Blazer, varsity jackets.

[D]

Oh, yeah. So I think it was one of those things. Things. Donor was nowhere to be found. That's all. That's all I can tell you. Nowhere to be found. The big farmer. No, he wasn't around, so I absolutely got worked over. I came home, I had a big shiner, and I'm like, I don't know what happened, but I got my. Absolutely.

[B]

How'd it start?

[E]

Well, Donor said that Nasher came back and obviously had the black eyes. I just got jumped by like eight guys. Whatever. So they get in the car, it's him, bomb guy, whoever. There's like six of them driving around trying to find this guy. He goes, by the end of us looking for these guys, he goes, maybe it was two guys. Maybe it was just one guy. I don't know.

[C]

Maybe it was no one.

[D]

Yeah, pretty. That pretty much sums it up. I don't know how many there were, but there certainly wasn't eight. But there was enough.

[B]

What was the Nicole Kidman story?

[E]

Oh, yeah, that's a great.

[D]

Oh, my God. So we're in Vegas, right?

[E]

So I think he's a celebrity whore, too. He loves celebrities.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[D]

Like, absolutely love it, right? So me and my wife, like, everyone. He got the kind of the one off, right? Hers is Tom Brady. Mine was always Nicole Kidman. So we're up at. In the Palms Hotel, and we're at the Ghost Bar, and I'm with Mike Medano, and that'll be part of the story. And Daryl Sidor and our wives. And so all of a sudden, we're having cocktails. We're just kind of in the. In the aisle way to the bar. You know, it's like a big U. And you can go outside on the patio and look through the. The glass or whatever. So we're standing there, all of a sudden, you know, people start, like, pushing aside, and there's bodyguards. And I'm like, oh, my God. Who's coming in? Freaking Nicole Kidman. So she starts wheeling in with all her bodyguards, and she's walking right towards us. And I'm like, holy cow. I'm like, my God. I'm standing right next to Mike Modano and Sidor, and she is staring a hole right through me. Like I said, everyone's like, yes, you're.

[C]

Here for her, right? You're next to Madonna.

[D]

She's looking at both. And I'm like, mandano, the guy who's actually 6 3, right?

[E]

His T shirts blowing in the wind.

[D]

Oh, yeah, exactly. It's. It's flapping, right? So at least I had the sock in the front on this. This day. But any. Anyway, so. So she goes and sits down on the couch, right? And I'm like, oh, my God. And Mo goes to me, goes, I think she was looking at you. I think she was looking right at you. I'm like, I think so too. So she's on the couch over there, sitting there.

[A]

I'm like.

[D]

And they dared me. They go. And my wife nudged me. She goes, go ahead. Go talk to her. So I grabbed My drink. I'm feeling pretty good liquid courage. And I walk around and I walk right towards her, and I walk right past her. And she was looking at me again, right? And I was like, holy cow, this is unreal. I was, like, freaking out. So I stop and I stand there. All of a sudden, they all get up and they start walking out. And she walks. Bodyguards first, bodyguard behind her. And she stops and she looks right at me in front of me, and she goes, hey. I go, I love your work. And she looked at me and she goes, oh, my God. And friggin kept on walking the other way all the time.

[E]

Must have been dying.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[D]

The boys literally pissed themselves. They were laughing so hard, like, that's the line I use. Like, that's all I got.

[B]

I love your think it's that bad, but that's embarrassing.

[E]

It's horrible.

[D]

Yeah. So I. That actually happened. Like, it actually happened, but I don't know.

[B]

Anyway, I think it's even better that you whiffed it.

[D]

Yeah. I think she was trying to see if that was a real nose or not or an elbow on my face.

[C]

But, no, she's like, I can't believe I almost just went for a civilian. Like, yeah, I'm sticking.

[B]

She's like, I. I liked you. And then I looked up your hockey db.

[D]

I need to leave. Yeah.

[C]

You win three Memorial Cups.

[D]

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Not very impressive, but yeah. What.

[B]

What was it like playing with Jerome.

[D]

McGimon Jr. Oh, man, it was. It was so fun. He was so competitive. Right. And he was younger than I was, but I remember we used to compete. Like, we laughed about it the other day. He was out here at the lake, and he comes down to the Waste Management Open all the time in Arizona. So we have competitions. We are a boys group that is such a blast. But we laugh about it to this day because he was 17. I think I was 18 or 19, and I beat him in points that year. I think I had 75. He had like 72 or whatever in his draft year. And I won the bet. And I'm like, how did you go 11th overall? And I went like 247th overall. Like, they don't even have that round anymore, so it was pretty blowing. That's awesome.

[C]

It's going to be pretty cool, actually, because his son, sixth overall pick by Utah. I know last year he was injured for a bit, but when he was playing, he lit it up. Any. No. Any noise on, like, if there's a chance he could make the team. I mean, Be a big step, but incredible player, it sounds like.

[D]

Yeah, I was busting Iggy's balls, too, about that, because I'm like, what?

[A]

You.

[D]

You had 32 goals your draft year. Your kid had 47 goals. Like, and think about that. I mean, what's Jerome got, 620 goals or like, something ridiculous. Right? So pretty good genes to have. Teege is an unreal player. To answer your question, it might be too big of a step, I guess. Time will tell. He looks unbelievable. He's been training like an animal, getting ready for. For this year's training camp. But he missed significant time. Right. But that's where, again, that kind of rule sucks, right. That he can't go play in the minors, even though he's probably not ready for the NHL right away. So he's got to come back to junior. And what's he going to do in junior? He's going to put up 80 goals. Like, I don't know. Is that good for you?

[B]

I feel like they're starting to talk about maybe lowering the age for the ahl like that. That is a topic of conversation. What were you just going to say?

[C]

I was going to say he would have been the perfect kid that went to college. Like, I think there's probably a hundred kids. Kids that went. But, you know, maybe loyalty, maybe just wanting to stay, you know, where he's going to be or planning on. Maybe I'm going to make the NHL. But I agree with you. That's why I think all these kids are like, I'll go play NCAA, which is a step above major junior and right beneath the NHL.

[D]

I mean, McKenna. Right. I mean, it's a perfect place for him to be, right. At Penn State, playing against men ultimately. Right. Nil. Money. I mean, how. How good is that? But T. Yeah. Teej is. Is, I think, to your point. I think he wants to make the NHL. I think he wants to make the Mammoth. And he has that confidence. He has that swag that not many kids have. But you love to see it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Especially when you have an old man like that who's able to direct you.

[E]

25 goals he had.

[B]

Well, that's perfect transition, Right? To talk about your son Ty, who played in the Western hockey league, he's 22 now, where there was a rule before where if you played in the chl, you couldn't eventually move on to go play college hockey, where the end of the road was either. You got to go find a job in the East Coast Hockey League, maybe overseas to one of these lower level leagues that they have, but things have now opened up. So Ty ended up having to go play Canadian University last year, but because of this, finally opening up the rule where they are allowed to have CHL players play in US colleges, he will be playing his first year at ASU as a 22 year old. So maybe just kind of talk about how important this is for the development of hockey players where if the East Coast League isn't the answer, just not being boxed out of going to play in college because it's the.

[A]

It's.

[B]

It's older men, it's developed players where it's. It's beyond what it is in junior.

[D]

And it's a longer Runway. I mean, don't you. That's what everyone should have and every kid should have. I mean, why should you have to make a decision? I'll never forget it. I mean, he was like 14 and he had to make a decision that day basically to either go to Leftbridge in the Western Hockey League and lose his entire eligibility of D1 college in America. I mean, he's an American. He grew up in the United States. Why should that be a thing? Why has that been a thing for so long? And on top of that, the best part about that rule, it's kind of like live in the pga. It's forced the PGA and it's forced the CHL now to step up in a big, big way to make their programs and make their locker rooms and make the experience and start paying these kids a little more money. Like my kid playing CHL was making the same money I was making like what, 30 some years ago. It's an absolute joke. So I think it's forcing everyone just to be more accountable and make things better, right? As far as owners. Owners go. So. And the Runway that I talk about, I mean, and the player that you want to see, right, the NHL, they have to be doing backflips over this because now the development of every player is way better, right? You could have a kid at 16, go play in the CHL, throw a visor on, play this, the 72 game schedule, fight, ride a bus, do the grind, right? And then go to college and put a. Put a cage back on and stand in front of the net and not have to worry about fighting and develop and now work out every day of the week and then play only on the weekends. I mean, imagine that player now. And I think that's my hope for my kid is that he's going to really have an opportunity to show himself and what he's worth. He's a late bloomer, so maybe this is the perfect opportunity for him. But kids shouldn't have to make that decision at that young of an age. I think it's probably going to hurt the USA USHL in a. Probably a big, big way. But again, it's going to make everyone, everyone better ultimately.

[C]

Back to Utah. Cause like, thinking about that team, Logan Cooley, the first year in Arizona, he had like 44 points. Then he went to 65 last year. He might end up being one of those guys. You know how you see the guys the first four years, they keep going up like a 9,000 point possible scorer, huh?

[D]

Oh, I can't even tell you guys.

[C]

Like, he's sick, like.

[D]

And now, right? It's, it's so great for Keller. That's why Keller's had better years or a better year last year because you have Logan Cooley stepping up now. He's on the top. Power play. You got Dylan Gunther, who's in the same conversation, right? This guy's going to score 40 goals in the National Hockey League. Dylan Gunther and Logan Cooley, he might have. Well, I don't know yet, but he might even have a higher ceiling than Clayton Keller. But, but regardless, all these guys are now the foundation of the Utah Mammoth. And now you go out and add a few big pieces, right? You add some, some veteran leadership. I mean, and that's how you win. But they are small. They need to get bigger. They, they need to be more competitive. They're too easy to play against. I love their D, I love their goaltender. And Vimelka, he's a stud. But now these kids, as they continue to grow and get older, they're going to be ready in a year or two to do some real damage in the playoffs.

[C]

Once Bedard had mentioned like Gunther's release, remember that biz, I forget when we were talking about that, it was like, oh, shit. Like, if he's talking about him, I think it was after World Juniors or something like that.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. And they actually, I believe they skate a little bit in the summer together. And it's one of, one of those guys where. Who do we have on talking about Brett hall recently in one of the clips, I think it was. And he said his, his bubble is like a, like a video game bubble where if you just put it anywhere in that area, he'll find a way to get it off. And that is a very special skill set in his own right. So you got to be, you got to be thrilled with this. This young, young up and coming wave of player there in Utah along with some of the, the veterans. I mean you got the Russian kid over from Tampa Bay drawing a blank on Surrogate. Surrogate Chev. So you got, you guys got some guys.

[D]

No, you do. And I was going to say just one more thing on Gunther. You're right. And he's not even a man yet, right. This guy's just still a little boy. He's 22. And wait till he, he gets 190 and 200 pounds, right? And he starts really ripping the puck. He's like a poor man's Steven Stamkos right now that, that's who I would compare him to. Just the way he gets that puck. That's a bold statement. But. But as I mentioned, a poor man. But, but he is a stud.

[C]

But, but when you talk about the size, because you're right like Keller, these guys are. It's a smaller group. But that's why I think and I saw this McBain play at BC and he played four years which is uncommon now when you play in the NHL. And then he probably could keep adding more to that roster, right? He's willing to go. Anyone like that could be a. He could find a role there where he's playing more and more each season. I feel like from seeing some of the games.

[D]

Yeah. And again, I mean you look at the model, right? I mean it's a copycat league. Florida's the model. Tampa was the model. Like you. That's, that's what wins in the playoffs, right? Forget, forget getting to the playoffs. Like if Utah last year did make it to the playoffs, they would have got their, their teeth pushed in. Right. They're not ready yet because they're too soft, they're too small. They don't have that, that real bite yet. But it's coming. I'll tell you it's coming. But Florida is the model and guys like McBain, they have. He's only going to get better. Signed a big ticket in the off season. He's going to come in with the Brinks truck with a, with a lot of confidence. You got Lawson. Kraus is looking to have a bounce back year. So they do have some of the pieces. They just need more of them.

[C]

When do you go to Gazer? Like do you go for two straight months is like up there. June 15th back September 1st.

[D]

Father's Day. Father's Day, baby.

[C]

Watch the U.S. open there. And you're there for the summer, huh?

[D]

There for the summer. Yeah. One of us doesn't belong. It's probably me. I am definitely the poorest man on property. It's not even close with the most expensive golf membership in the world, so.

[B]

Well, you have to also work as a groundskeeper. You were telling me, right?

[E]

Yeah, that's how he gets the tan.

[C]

What is each day like? Like play some golf out on that lake. You doing tubing. It's looks and incredible there.

[D]

Honestly, it is the best place in the world for the, for the summer. It really is like. And it's just the connections you meet. Like, it's just my kind of people. Right. Like minded. You know, no one, no one gives a shit about anything. Like no one's, you know, trying to, trying to flex out there. You're all wearing T shirts and shorts. There's, there's no rules on the golf course and literally every day we work out in the morning. I used to train the kids a ton, all the hockey kids up there. So that was super fun for me. And then we, we hit the course. We're on the course by 11 o' clock and we play 18, we play 36. You know, it is endless. But finally I'm getting better so I can compete a little bit. So that, that's been a lot more fun. And then you got the comfort stations, right? So the comfort stations take over.

[C]

Those things are dangerous.

[D]

Oh yeah. Levels are dialed though. It helps me with. It helps me.

[B]

For those of you who don't know what Gazer is, we've talked about before, Discovery properties, they're popping up everywhere now. They have one in Nashville that just went up. Where are some other famous ones around?

[E]

Right?

[B]

Cobble's got two of them now, don't they?

[D]

Building one in Jupiter, Austin, Fort Worth with the Maverick. I mean they're, they're, they're everywhere. Costa Rica, I mean Silo, Silo.

[C]

Silo Ridge in New York's one.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And all they do is make money. They're the most beautiful places on the planet. Melbourne is last name. This guy just knows how to, to develop. Right. And I was lucky to get into it. Russ, Courtney, Kelly, Chase are the two head sales guys out there. So they open up the Rolodex, they tell other friends you get in somewhat kind of early. I always like to get in late and get in high and sell low. Yeah, that's, that's my, that's my. Yeah, that's my history.

[B]

Hell of a portfolio. Yeah.

[E]

Nasher just, just from like even watching Ty in the, in the Western Hockey League and like compared to when you played and obviously you guys were a skilled team, winning three, you know, Memorial Cups. But, like, there must have been some guys in that league that you were like, oh, I gotta go out there and play. Like, were you, were you playing when they would do separate warm ups because guys would just steal nets.

[D]

Oh, yeah. I mean, it would. Honestly, I would literally piss my pants before every, every game. And it didn't end there, Yens. That was the crazy part, right? Go to the American Hockey League, the Jungle Bis. You know that better than anyone. I mean, those guys are as tough as they come in the American League. And then all of a sudden you go to the NHL and you finally make it. At least you're getting paid to get beat up and your, your nose on the side of your face and your teeth caved in. But every night you're out there. And that's why it's hard, you know, like to explain, like, to people that haven't played the game you're standing across. One night it's Bob Probert, it's Joey Kosir, and the next night it's Matthew Barnaby and, you know, Sean Avery and Kelly Chase and Tony Twist and guys I played with, right, that were just destroyers. I mean, Tony Twist was the toughest human being I've. I've ever seen in my life. I saw him, we interviewed him.

[B]

Yeah, is one scary. He hadn't changed a bit either.

[D]

Yeah, he tried to punch your head right off your shoulders. And he almost did Rob Ray one night. I'll never forget picking up his gloves and I saw Rob Ray in the penalty box, like, trying to rearrange his face, and his whole face was caved in. I was like, oh, my God. Oh, it was freaking nasty. So, yeah, I'm glad the game's changed a little bit. Right? But it just. I don't know, I just have so much respect for all the guys that played in our era because it wasn't easy. Because then you had to play on top of all that, right? On top of being scared out of your mind like in the NHL right now. I don't. Would. Would you guys be scared to play? I don't. I don't know if I'd be scared to play anymore.

[B]

No, definitely not. As much as I was in the American League, getting my shit pushed in by some of those goons. When you mentioned Chaser, it kind of reminded me of that first training camp story you have and also a couple other ones. You have an unreal Stevie1 when, when, when St. Louis played against Detroit. We'll follow it up with that. But what was your first training camp experience when you ended up lighting up Pavel Demetra?

[D]

Yeah. So I'll give you the cold notes of it. So my dad before I. So I was 24, right? I was in Vancouver's farm team in Syracuse, New York, for. For three years. I put up unreal numbers. I fought, I did everything. But Mike Keenan came in and literally, like, he didn't care. Like, I was small, I was too small. I was never going to play for him, right? So I was so pissed off anyway. My dad could feel it. All right? So I get this opportunity in St. Louis. Larry Ploel calls me on July 1, and I signed July 1. Literally. He's like, bob Plager has been following you around. He said, you're the guy that we need to sign. You could be a difference maker. You could make our team at some point. So I was like, holy cow. So I'll never forget I was going from $30,000 Canadian, living in an American city in Syracuse. I was literally delivering pizzas in the summer for Pizza Hut because I didn't have enough money because of my salary. And I signed for. For 50,000 and 25,000 guaranteed. And I was the most excited guy in the world. But my dad, before he shipped me off to training camp, he said just, hey, I know you're pissed off. I know what's happened. Maybe it wasn't fair. Maybe it was just don't say what.

[B]

It could have, should have.

[D]

So I took that into camp. I'll never forget, first inner squad game, we go out in the ice. Pavel Dimitri gets the puck, cuts across the blue line, and I'm like, here we go. I'm back, checking. I cut across the blue line. I catch him in the trolley tracks, and Pavel Demetra is vertical in the air. Now, let me remind you, Pavel was their leading goal scorer for the St. Louis Blues the year before, right? And he is vertical in the air or horizontal. I don't know which one it was, but he was in the air, bucket off, lands on his shoulder, separates his shoulder. He is out cold. They literally had to scrape him off the ice with a shovel. And all I can hear is Kelly Chase on the other bench. Go on. I am gonna kill you. You're a dead man.

[C]

No, it was Larry Plo.

[D]

Oh, yeah. I'm like, oh, my God. All I could think about was my dad. Don't say what a coulda, shoulda when this is all over. I'm like, yeah, I think they know who I am now. Right. So needless to say, Chaser jumped over the boards and I tried to make a line change after they got Pavel off the ice. And Bob Plager was my coach for the intersquad game because all the real coaches were up in the stands watching. And I go to the bench and I'm trying to make a line change and he's like, get back out there. And I'm like, oh, boy, here we go. Yeah. So I picked the wrong door on that one. I finished third. My nose was literally on the side of my face. I had a white blues jersey I'll never forget. And it was covered in blood. Yeah.

[B]

The new thirds.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

Demetra. And next to each other in the hospital, like, oh, God.

[D]

Yeah. And it didn't end there. I think I ended up fighting like Todd Gill and Mark Bergevin and oh, God, I can't even remember. Might have been Rudy Postcheck. Like I fought like four or five other guys that training camp because they heard what happened and who did it. Right. But that's how I ended up making the team.

[E]

And so that ain't happening anymore.

[B]

And it didn't stop there. You have to tell this Stevie story. I think that's my favorite Tyson Nash story.

[D]

Yeah. So. Oh my God. So I finally kind of make it right. And this is an ESPN game and I'll never forget, like Steve Levy's there, Barry Melrose, they're calling the game. And you know, I obviously didn't get a lot of shifts against Stevie, but I was being a complete dick all game long. I'm two handed guys in the back of the legs. I'm face washing guys. I am in the grill of anyone and everyone. All night long. I'm chirping Stevie Eisenman. And Stevie Eisenman was one of literally one of my favorite players growing up. So it killed me that I was just ripping into him as much as I could rip into him. Right. So then at the end of the game, somehow we're all on the ice together at the end and there's a massive scrum behind the net and Stevie Y comes running over and he's trying to get at me and finally we're together and he's throwing punches. He hits me with one. He drops his glove, hits me with another. Gord Murphy comes in there and he's. He's involved and he's all over me and I'm just laughing. Right. This is the funniest thing in the world. And so we don't actually fight, but after the Game. The media comes in the locker room, they're like, oh, my God, what did you say to Stevie? Why? We've never seen him ever throw a punch and fight someone. And I'm like, I don't know what happened. I thought we were having a pillow fight. I thought he hit me with a pillow or a real soft glove. Like, can you even call that a fight? I don't. I don't even know, right? So I kind of went on and on, and the media goes over to Detroit's locker room, and they're like, stevie, what happened? Like, I can't believe you got into it with that guy. And he's like, yeah, that Tyler Ganoush. Like, you know, he was kind of under my skin all night. Like, he knew exactly who I was. Like, just a wit on that guy, right? Like, Tyler Goodly buried me. And it was in the paper the next day. And I'm like, oh, my God, he didn't even know my name. Good news.

[B]

You better be signing into hotels. But that. That should be your name.

[E]

Oh, yeah.

[D]

Everyone, every one of my buddies calls me Tyler Ganoush. And then the best part was the next night we play Detroit, this time in St. Louis. And Stevie Wise, I think he had a five point night, put up three goals, and Joel Quinville comes in, he goes, you ever do that again in the media, that's called bulletin board material, you idiot. You're going back to the Miners where you came from. So I was like, oh, my God.

[B]

You learned a few lessons that year, didn't you?

[C]

But you made it. You made it.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, yeah, you were. You played your dick off. Nasher. What else did donor tee you up with? Yance, didn't he have. Was it a Jim McKenzie story?

[C]

No, that.

[E]

Yeah, no, that didn't have anything to do with Nasher.

[D]

He's just talking. Yeah, definitely didn't have anything.

[C]

I've had. All right, well, let me. Let me ask this. When you went to Japan, were you playing just the same style? Were you at least like, all right, I'm gonna be a power play guy? Or were you still, like, running around slashing guys?

[E]

He went to be the tallest guy for once.

[D]

For once, right? Oh, my God. How did that come about? Oh, it was unbelievable. Like, because you know what? Like, it ends bad pretty much for everybody, right? Like, even Mike Medano, who played 1499 games. Like, it kind of ended bad for him and really bad for me. I mean, you guys heard the Gretzky. I never got back into the league. I Couldn't get my foot back in the door. And every door, every window was closed. I remember it was November. And Jamie McLennan, my good buddy, he calls me, he goes, hey, I got an opportunity to go play with a couple buddies in Japan, and they need another import. Do you want to come? And I'm like, well, I'm leaving my family. I hope they can pay us. And they paid us. Unbelievable, right? And we go over there and literally, like, they were way better, way better than I ever thought. Like, very skilled. Not totally. You know, the hockey sense wasn't really there, but they were skilled. They were fast. And, yeah, they. They weren't big. So I was running around. I was just killing people. Like, killing people. The people from, like, the fans for our own team were just like, what is this guy doing?

[C]

Stop.

[D]

Like, they were petrified of me. They called me the Japanese Assassin, like, because I was just. I hit a guy so hard, it popped. His helmet popped off. Because they always had their heads right up their ass, right? Skating through the neutral zone. I think his helmet ended up in the stands, and the guy was like. They carried him off in a stretcher. Like, it was just awful, like. And you could hear a pin drop right in my own building. So it was. But it was so fun. What a culture. Amazing people. What an experience. And it was like a paid vacation.

[C]

Oh, man, I would. I would love. There's got to be old VHS of some of those hits somewhere. Somewhere those were being recorded.

[D]

I love it. I love it.

[B]

Well, now, you guys, we're going to be doing. We're going to be doing, obviously, pods this season where we'd love to get you on to talk about the mammoth, like, you know, catch up with you, see where things are at. So we'll see you again soon, and hopefully we can collaborate and get out there and do watch cast with you and maybe even get Heater Walshy. All the old school Coyotes gang in the mix. Rich Nairn, and of course, o' Shandle and Whit.

[D]

Yeah, for sure. Absolutely. You guys kill it, man. You guys are the best.

[C]

You're the best, dude.

[E]

I can't believe you're 50, dude. You look unbelievable.

[C]

No.

[D]

Yeah, I look like my old man, is what I look like. God.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

What do you want, Nash? Or what type of supplements?

[D]

Freaking nothing, dude. I am fat as and skinny now. I'm getting fat and skinny.

[C]

That's my problem.

[D]

Build is killing me. This build is killing me. It's hemorrhaging money and. God, I can't.

[C]

No, I think it's the comfort stations on Gosser. Yeah. More than the build but Nasher. Yeah. Enjoy the last few few weeks up there and and we'll see you soon.

[D]

That sounds good boys.

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[C]

Thank you very much. Tyson Nash in beautiful Kelowna. He's everywhere, but that was Kelowna. What a setting he had. He just needs Internet now, so shout out to his friend, too, for letting him use their Internet. That's kind of like one of our moves. All of us have had Internet problems before, but before we went to the interview, I did mention some hockey talk. I'm starting to think for the first time there is a chance Connor McDavid possibly has one year left with the Oilers.

[E]

I I 8 months.

[C]

It's not funny. Not funny at all. Not funny at all. But I actually think right now in like, certain discussions I've had, that he doesn't really know what he wants to do or what he's going to do. And it's like I'm trying to put myself in his shoes, which is insane and almost impossible to do. Like, this generational talent, maybe the best actual hockey player anyone's ever seen dominate the league. The way he has come up just short two years in a row and be so obsessed with getting a cup and wanting to do it in Edmonton, but then thinking, like, can that even happen? So I kind of get where he's coming from, where it's like, I don't know what I want to do yet. As a former player, do you guys, like, feel that way as well? Like, do you see that the, maybe the, the, the worry or the, the not wanting to sign, like, right now until you're really sure that they could win it all with what they have, like, coming up 100%.

[E]

I think he should wait the whole year whether he wants to sign or not, like, long term there because he's given everything he has. Like you said, they've been on the brink of winning the last two years. He's given them chances every year he's in the league. Like, they're like, it's thriving, right? They got a new building there because of him. Like, the Edmonton Oilers are in a good spot because of him. But it's also like anything that he does for me is I think he has the right to do it Whether he wants to go somewhere else, whether he wants to stay or not, I don't think he should be blamed in one bit for that. It's just like, like you just said, like he, all he wants to do is win and if he thinks they can't do it there, then why not? He should, he should be able to go somewhere else. And you know, that's why we have free agency and especially a guy like that, like to be able to pick where he wants to go. The terms, the, yeah, he could do like what NBA guys do, just sign like a one or two year deal somewhere else, try to win and chase it a little bit. But if I was an Oilers fan, I, you know, obviously you're going to be pissed, but I think you got to, you got to tip your cap to him and be like, all right, this guy's giving us everything. He's trying to win. But it's also, it would be a tough, tough day in Edmonton history if he left. But I honestly think whatever he does is, he shouldn't be blamed for it.

[F]

Yeah, and I, I think he's in a tough spot because he knows he should make a lot of money. But I, he's made enough where he doesn't care about that. But he also has the NHLPA telling him, oh, you gotta make this much so the next good guy can make that much. He's got his agent telling him to make that much. Cause he wants his 4% from this. But he's thinking, well, if I take this much then we still don't have any money left to get another D or get another forward. So he's probably trying to figure all that out. And with the years, the Caps going up, trying to do all the math. I don't know, I think he should have done the, what is it, six years. I was trying to do the math. He could have done six years. 16.1111 or something. It would have came out to a straight 97 million. So I thought that might have happened. I didn't see it happen yet. But I, I, I think he is on the move. I still, I still gonna go down with that wit. I'm sorry, this is the last year there. I think he is gonna go on the move, but he just has so is going on.

[E]

If you're going to sign a six year deal, you might as well sign the eight year deal.

[C]

No, I know.

[A]

Yeah.

[F]

I was just trying to figure out the math and trying to figure out why it was taking so long and what was going on and Everything.

[C]

That's the problem. Everyone thinking, me included, like he would be signed by now, two year extension, three more years in Edmonton. And I'll give him credit, like in. At the Canadian orientation, the Olympic. He went on stage, he was asked about it. Then he skated at like, you know, the captain's practice skates before camp and he did an interview about it. And that's where he mentioned like, could be a long term deal, it could be a short term deal, it could be no deal. And it was like, oh, like that was kind of the first time it even was ever mentioned or brought up. Like, yeah, I mean, who knows? Kind of. And people are going to be furious at this take, I think, but. But I don't really care. And it's all relative when I say I, I kind of feel bad for him. Now hear me out first as. And, and I say relative because I don't feel bad for him. Like, I feel bad for the dad who got bullied by the Karen over the fair home run ball or some like homeless guy in the street. I fear bad for him that he was drafted as the. The next coming. He doesn't have the cup, but he has lived up actually beyond like. Like, when you heard about him, you're like, holy shit. He's like, better than I even heard when he was 15, 16. He just dominated every single game since he came into the league. Edmonton has had these incredible teams the past two years. They were better than 30 other teams by a lot. And there's just this fucking Panthers team that was, was better than them. It was like they were so close. So close. And if he ends up deciding that he doesn't want to stay in Edmonton after everything he's done and put into it, people in Edmonton will hate him.

[E]

I know.

[C]

And it's like that. Hey, that's part of the business. And I don't think everyone would hate him. I think if you're, if you're really. It's kind of hard to describe. Like, there's got to be fans who would kind of understand in a way, like it's. They take it. They take it as they take it.

[F]

Oh, guys, before we go any farther, I got a special guest. We gotta pop in quick.

[A]

Baby.

[D]

We're live on spitting Chiclets.

[C]

Donnie, are those Watson gloves? Are those Watson gloves? Biz?

[B]

You think they're not.

[E]

Biz looks beautiful, buddy.

[D]

It's insane.

[B]

Hey, how would you describe this Wonton.

[E]

Scottish golf course into an Alaskan glacier?

[B]

Scottish golf course into an Alaskan glacier.

[C]

Hey, that's actually two of the coolest things that I could ever think of. Biz.

[E]

Donnie looks like he's three miles away. How far away is he, Biz?

[B]

Like 12ft.

[C]

Oh, Biz. How's the body feeling?

[B]

Like shit.

[E]

Right before Chicklet's Cup. 2. This guy's L5s. One's gonna be in his hamstring.

[B]

She's barking.

[D]

Boys.

[C]

How many mushrooms?

[B]

Oh, I'm deep. We're actually, we're into a strand called penis envy. I didn't know that was a strange strain.

[C]

I have that. Yeah, I have that too. Big penis envy.

[B]

The reason I wanted to pop by is Team USA imploding. We got guys. Dad's threatening to leave the country and come play for Team Canada.

[A]

Come on down.

[B]

Lane Hudson.

[A]

Woo hoo hoo hoo.

[B]

Oh, fuck.

[C]

Hey.

[D]

Oh.

[E]

Biz off the cliff.

[C]

Biz off the cliff. You actually just missed me. Admit that for the first time, I'm thinking there's a chance Connor McDavid won't be on the Oilers for the next few years. After this year, I'm starting to worry. I, I, I think, I think he could also sign tomorrow for a couple years, but I'm starting to worry that he could start the season without a contract.

[B]

Biz, did you guys talk about what we were talking about in the text thread before you recorded?

[C]

No, I kind of left that stuff off the record.

[B]

Not good. I won't say what it is, but not good. And you know what it could mean too. It's the Leafs year.

[D]

All right?

[E]

We have like no water left and the sun's about to set, so.

[C]

So where are you guys setting up camp? Where are you setting up camp?

[E]

Russet Lake. Place called Russet Lake. Beautiful. We, we, we didn't pack sunscreen. We have run out of water and.

[C]

The sun's gonna set in like a.

[E]

Half hour, but we're good. Hey, it was good to know you guys.

[B]

I'm a little nervous my riot date's not gonna know where to go. But I did leave a couple pairs of Watson gloves as clues along the journey and protein puck. So shout out to our sponsors because if they wouldn't have came on board, we wouldn't be able to do this. But I do want to congratulate one guy, and that's Matt Murley. The Buffalo Bills put on an absolute show last night. What was with those fans leaving early though?

[C]

Oh, we talked about this.

[F]

I'm almost as bad. I fell asleep at halftime. But it was 3:45 in the morning, so I got an excuse.

[C]

You got two little kids.

[D]

Yeah, that's fair.

[F]

Yeah, that wasn't good. Josh Allen addressed it. The leader he is. He should be like the mayor of the whole city. He addressed it. It won't happen again.

[C]

Biz. You know what? Let me get your opinion on something quick.

[B]

Yep, go on.

[C]

What? No, you go ahead.

[B]

Well, I was going to say he. He signed with New Balance and he made it so like a bunch of money was donated so all these kids could play youth sports. I believe it was in like, it might be in the whole country, but I want to say maybe California. So just shout out to Josh Allen, just an unbelievable human being and obviously New Balance as well for doing that. You could probably go more into detail as to what the. The full details of what I'm talking about is. And I'm also tripping balls, so I don't even know if I'm making sense, but he did something good.

[E]

More details of the details.

[B]

What were you going to say, Whit?

[D]

Hey, if.

[F]

If the Bills can win this year, that means the Leafs can win this year.

[A]

Biz.

[C]

I agree with that. Which I hate, because I want the Bills and I want the Leafs to suffer. Biz. We. We quickly chatted about the viral Karen who stole the home run ball from the father and the father who was petrified and gave it to her. And the. I feel like you might have given the ball back too, in a sense that, you know, you're not, for a fighter, tough guy. You're not. You're a non confrontational.

[B]

No, I. I thought that he did a great job of setting an example, of deescalating the situation. And it's like, fuck that lady. Here, take your fucking baseball, you loser. It's just a prime example of like, the way some things have gone as a nation too, right? Like it's bullshit. Fucking bullshit.

[C]

Bullshit.

[A]

Fuck her.

[C]

Bullshit. Yeah, I agree. I agree. All right, well, we miss you, buddy.

[B]

Too political there.

[C]

Yeah, but you're high on shrooms in the middle of a Scottish golf course meeting an arctic glacier. So who. Who wouldn't be going political?

[E]

No oxygen in your brain and no water.

[C]

Got no water.

[E]

Hey, if he pisses the tent tonight after no water and a mountain 5,000ft in the air, I will overreact.

[B]

We are sharing a four man tent.

[C]

Oh, pissing on Donnie. Oh, four man tent. Hey, Donnie. No, I'm a bedwetter.

[D]

Right?

[F]

Oh, I.

[C]

Soup.

[E]

Who's setting up the tent? Like this Biz. Biz, do you know how to set up a tent?

[B]

No, I'VE never been overnight camping before.

[C]

He'll pitch one when he talks to a hot girl at a bar, but he doesn't know how to set a full tent up.

[B]

What else did you guys talk about? Hockey related.

[C]

We just talked about McDavid and you swiped in before we could get to Lane Hudson. Dad. Just going complete, like, James Bond, villain of USA Hockey. Like, threatening, threatening to leave the United States. What did he say? He said they're also dual citizens. And then I believe right away it was looked up that it takes like four or five years of sitting out international competition if you've played for one country to switch to another. Just crazy.

[E]

Till Donald Trump hears that clip and he says, oh, yeah, you don't want to live here. See you later, buddy. Like that guy? I don't know.

[F]

That's a real crazy hockey dad.

[E]

I don't know. I don't. I don't know him. I know his kid's a great hockey player and I like the way his kids play, but he's got to keep his mouth shut, stay out of whatever his son's doing. Did his dad call his work and tell him that he needs a raise and stuff like that? Like, there is a certain place in the hockey world for a dad and it's not to be talking about the GM of a United States hockey team or any team, even your own team, like the Canadians. Like, watch your kid be happy. Have the best time of your life for the next 20 years watching your kids snap it around the NHL. There is zero place that he should be talking about who should be on the team. It's only going to hurt the kid. And I want the best for the kid. Like, the kid's a stud. He's going to be amazing. He's great for USA Hockey. But like, dude, the only thing you're doing is hurting your kid. And whatever you can say it, just deep down inside he needs to know that that is not the right way to handle things. If I was Bill Garon, I'd be like, hey, you, you were on like the list that you might make the team, but now you're off it. Like, there is zero percent chance I would have that kid. And I love his game, but just simply because of his dad. Because what GM of a team that you're putting together for a two week tournament wants that headache coming in. Imagine the abuse that he's gonna take this year from other teams.

[C]

Yeah, I wonder. Yeah. Or you think like guys just giving it to him and stuff.

[E]

100.

[C]

There's definitely some players I would just more be, like, when I saw the clip, be like, dad, no, no, dad, no, no, no.

[D]

What show was it?

[F]

Like, what was his dad doing even getting interviewed?

[C]

Gee, exactly, dude. I was wondering the same thing. Like, what was that on?

[D]

It was the Habs cast.

[F]

It was just a Montreal Canadiens hat, Cabs cast. It was just the Habs podcast.

[C]

You know, as he's saying those things, the host of that show must have been. Talk about pitching a tent with biz like this Dr. Evil Monty Burnt style. Just like, oh, my God, this guy. The best part of the. The. The little quote or the. What he said, he's like, there's no animosity towards it. My sons are also Canadian. It's like, no animosity. You said, I don't know what Bill Garon's thinking. Like, and. And I actually think it would have been so much better off. Like, I brought up. I kind of thought it was ridiculous he wasn't a part of the orientation camp. And other people were saying the same thing, like, leave it at that. And then it's.

[E]

Let other people let.

[C]

Yeah, you know, like, leave it at that. People are already saying it. You know what? Maybe they left him off the frigging orientation camp because they know you're crazy.

[E]

Yep.

[F]

Or, like, we had Lane come on Game Notes. Army knows him pretty well, and he was so quiet. He didn't really talk much at all. He's such a nice little kid. Maybe that's why. Maybe the dad knew, like, well, Lane's not gonna ever say anything. I gotta speak up for him or something along those lines.

[A]

But I remember, I.

[F]

No, I don't think it's okay at all. But I. I remember the story from Game Notes. When he came on, he told us how his dad that the reason they skate so well. The dad would put them on the ice without laces in their skates, and they'd have to learn how to skate without the laces in their skates. And that's why they have such good edges and they. They can hop around. Like, they.

[C]

You don't think I'll be doing that next practice with Ryder?

[F]

Yeah, and. And then you'll be telling them, hey, my kids might.

[E]

You'll be calling the A coach and be like, hey, you got to take Ryder.

[C]

Yeah, my kid's Portuguese too. I'll take them over there. They'll bring them into the world championship C division. But I. Yeah, I think it's like. It's probably hard, like, being devil's advocate, because I was Also, like, oh, man, this is kind of a tough watch, you know, you, you, you, you're so intense. It's your kids you're watching. You care about them so much, so you, you kind of know where it's coming from. It's more just like, you gotta know when to press record and, and do a show or just, you know, call your buddies and bitch about it to them and be like, this is bullshit. Talk to your kids about it. I, but, but I, I, I'm, I'm imagining that as a player, you're like, oh, I kind of don't love that. This is like, making the rounds on Twitter. The threat to be Canadian is unbelievable, though.

[E]

Yeah, like, like Canada, like, Canada is not better than the US at hockey. Like, as if you're just going to go from a team. That's, I mean, Canada just, that's what.

[A]

It is now, Keith.

[F]

You know, we're number one now.

[E]

Yeah, yeah, that's true. But it's like, we're, we're all parents and we're all like, the biggest advocates for our kids and like, whatever, but, but if my kid's trying out for a volleyball team at school, in middle school and they don't make it, I ain't calling the school, never mind in the NHL, like, it just can't happen. Like, there's no, there's boundaries in everything, especially in your work life when your kid is in the NHL, you just got to enjoy, just sit down, watch the games, crack a couple beers, have some friends over, brag about your kid. There is no reason to step into this kid's career. Like, the only thing you can do is hurt it.

[C]

It.

[E]

There, there is zero upside to it, in my opinion. You guys might have different opinions, but I, I think it's insane.

[C]

No, I, I, yeah, I, it was just like, whoa, you know, listening to it, you're like, this is. I, I don't remember anything like this, really, where, you know, dads have kind of said things before. I remember, I think, like, Eric Lindros's dad was maybe a lot. I, I mean, unless I'm making that up. If I am, I apologize. I thought, like, you've heard Marner's dad get mentioned in things, but, but this one was out in the open on the Habs cast.

[E]

So you think he's talking, like, on that Habs cast? Obviously, I didn't watch the whole thing, but you think he's talking about him resigning with Montreal and stuff, too. Did he, did anyone listen to it?

[C]

Oh, I actually didn't listen to it. I just saw the one clip. I think that they're.

[F]

Man, I just don't understand how that ever even happens. Like, oh, we're gonna call up Hudson's dad and have him on the show.

[C]

I mean, reach out to them. He's like, I got some stuff for you. I got some stuff for the Habs cast. And. And I'm gonna come on and I'm gonna threaten that my son's gonna be a Canadian.

[E]

And it looked like he flew in for it, too. He looked like he was live there, right?

[C]

No, I don't think so. I think it was over Zoom. I think it was over Zoom.

[E]

He did Hockey Canada's headquarters, sitting down with Ma.

[C]

I'll show them. I'll show Bill Garon. I'm gonna go on the half.

[E]

I'm sure Billy G's really just, like, shaking in his boots.

[C]

I think the funniest part for me was, like, Lane was sick at World Juniors. Cole was, like, one of the best players in the tournament last year. And it's just like. Just. They're just USA Hockey staples in my mind. At the end, he dropped the dual citizen bomb. The Brett hall bomb. Well, I mean, I think Brett hall more so did it. Cause he didn't make a team originally. Is that what we've been told? Like. Like, all right, I'll go play for usa. Not like, I didn't get invited to camp. I'm gonna go to Canada. Who has ever done that? If anything, 1D play for us. For us hockey.

[E]

I thought once you played one international tournament, you can't play for.

[C]

I thought so too, but it's four years.

[A]

That's what I thought.

[E]

Four years.

[F]

Brett hall was. He was cut from the 1996 World Junior Team. He actually wasn't even invited to the trial.

[C]

86, you mean?

[F]

Yeah, it was the 1986.

[A]

Wow. Wow.

[F]

Yep. And then 1991 is when he played for USA.

[E]

Oh, because he went to college, I think. I think he went to, like, Duluth or something. So maybe that had something with it.

[F]

Yeah, I just remember, too, like, my age when you. There was really, like, no, no Internet like there is now. So you didn't really know every player. You knew all the players at hockey night in Boston and then this tournament. And then when we got to our World Juniors, there's five or six kids there at the camp that are from Canada. I'm like, what the hell is this? I. I had myself pinned in on this team. I know where I. I stack up. All of a sudden There are these five or six half Canadian guys show up because their mom was American or whatever.

[E]

Did your dad call?

[C]

No.

[F]

I guess he should have. He could have. Could have made the team.

[C]

Merles, if. If Teddy Murley ends up becoming a stud, that kid will be on Team Sweden faster than you could go on the Habs cast, I think, Right?

[F]

Yeah. Let me tell you about him. Like, I. I almost screwed this whole thing up. I've been sending you guys videos all winter. He's got the slap shot down at 1 years old. Right. Summer comes over here and we're out at the beach. It was beautiful. It didn't rain any day. So just every day, wake up, bring him to the beach. Wake up, bring him to the beach. We come back to this house afterwards, he doesn't know how to hold the stick anymore. He's holding it like a broom. I'm like, oh, my God. I'm like. He had the natural stroke and now.

[C]

I screwed it up to my job this summer. I didn't have him on the beach with the hockey stick every day.

[E]

The tan.

[C]

Yeah.

[F]

So one and a half years old, turns two in a month. I got him back. He's back on. I got. I got him this thing at. I don't know if you guys have them over there. It's called floorball. It's big in Finland and Sweden. It's got this big plastic blade on. On the bottom, and it's a round shape.

[C]

Yeah. And it's kind of them. Yep.

[F]

Yeah. And he. So he can just rip it with that.

[A]

It's.

[F]

It's awesome. So I'm out on the. Out in the street playing him with that. And he's ripping it. He's back. I got the daughter. She's got the stroke back. So we're firing.

[C]

Let's go. Let's go. Just in time to come over to the wonderful USA Hockey model of club hockey and town hockey and missing the town hockey for club hockey and 47,000 club hockey teams. And I'm on the tier four elite, triple platinum fucking star team. And so. It's great. It's great. It seems like Sweden's system is really broken, right? With a hundred NHLers from a country with 7 million people. So with that, we could talk and throw it over to a young phenom himself, Marty Fish. I really. I. I enjoyed this interview a lot. I knew who he was. I kind of knew who he was because him and Pavelski and before. Before Pavelski retired, it was kind of just Marty Fish, almost like the number One celebrity golfer on these. All these tournaments they do of former athletes and celebrities, Marty Fish. I, I think he's won them all. So I knew about his golf game and then I saw his documentary, which we talk a lot about. Incredible story. Good dude. And I'm glad we get to sit down through them. So the US Open was amazing. I don't know if you guys caught me at NFL Sunday. Kind of crazy that the U.S. open men's final is like 3 o' clock day one week one of the NFL. But Alcaraz, he just ran over center. Alcaraz, I think he lost one set, maybe in the whole tournament. And then in New York, as, as, as a young stud who just won, I think his fifth major would do. He partied with models all night. I saw pictures of him with models. So couple clicks for Carlos Alcaraz also, I think was playing golf in between, like most of the matches. Just, he's living the life. But with that, we throw it over Marty Fish. Guys, it's Whit here and I'm holding a body armor. Strawberry banana. My favorite. This episode is brought to you by Body Armor Sports drink. Right now, biz is in British British Columbia. He's fueling up and he's run out of body armor. How dumb is that guy? He brought body armor. He was telling me about the body armor he'd need when he was all down and out and needed to be hydrated and to taste a amazing drink while hydrating himself. And he's got nothing left till he gets to his campsite. What an idiot. But I got plenty body armor. I'm holding strawberry banana, I think. G, G, what, What's your. You're the orange mango guy, maybe.

[F]

The orange is great in the morning. It's incredible. It's just my replacement for orange juice.

[C]

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[A]

It's so cool to be on. I appreciate you guys. I'm a big fan of the show, so. And. And I. I feel like I should be on a hockey show or a hockey podcast because I'm born in Minnesota, born in Edina, the hockey capital of the world.

[C]

That state is the best state of hockey.

[A]

You know, So I was. We were on skates. I moved when I was five. My dad teaches tennis, got a great teaching job down in Florida, so moved a family down to Florida when I was like, five or six years old, but I was already on skates when I was two.

[B]

Okay, that's pretty impressive. And the reason we got you on is, is you ended up following me on Twitter, and then I DM'd you right away because I'd watched your documentary. It was incred. A great story of, obviously, resilience. And we'll get into that later. But, you know, with the US Open going on, I'm like, this is a perfect time to get you on. I don't follow a lot of tennis, although this center guy is making me want to watch tennis because he's a freak out there. Now. Is this, like the. This guy's like the next best thing since what, Roger Federer?

[A]

I mean, well, Djokovic is. Is still playing. I mean, Djokovic is in the semis against Alcaraz on the other side. There's. There's two guys right now. They're pretty much dominating tennis. It's Yannick Sinners, number one in the world, Italian kid. He's about 24 years old. He's won four majors already. And. And Carlos Alcaraz, who's like 23 or 24, same. Same type of age. He's won five majors. So they. So these two guys have. Have played in. Sinner has won center, won the U.S. open. Last year, he won Australia, the Australian Open. Then Alcaraz beat Sinner in the final of the French. And then Sinner beat Alcaraz in the final, Wimbledon. And now here we are in the semis of the US Open. There looks like they're going to play each other in the final, which the fr. If it's anything even remotely close to the French final. I don't know if you guys saw that French Open final was one of the best tennis matches you'll ever see over five hours. And those guys play for five sets and play forever. And the level that they're playing at right now is probably the best level. I mean, eras continue to get better and better, I think, over. Over the years, and it's Hard to say that he's playing at a higher level than like Djokovic did when Novak was, you know, maybe six or seven years ago and still super dominant late in the, you know, kind of 20, 17, 18, 19, like around there. Roger was still playing at a high level and Nadal was still winning the French Open at a high level. So it's hard to say that Sinner's playing that good, but because it was so cl, you know, so close to then, it's not. It hasn't been that long and there haven't been like, changes in technology or anything like that in terms of string or rackets or anything, so. But it's. But man, the level these guys are playing as incredible.

[B]

Have you ever played with one of those wood ones?

[D]

The old school?

[A]

I tried it. Yeah, I tried it. I went to, you know, Dr. Phil, Phil McGraw. He's got this like, crazy house out here in LA, and he's got like the best clay court in law in, like, Los Angeles on television. Yeah, dude, that guy pulls like. He pulls like 100 million a year, dude. I'm telling you, he's so. And he's the coolest dude ever. He is the coolest dude ever. And so he'll let me come, like, play at his house. He's got all these awesome, like, old school rackets and stuff like that and all. And I'll hit with him. I'll hit with it. With the, with the wooden rackets. It's.

[E]

It's weird.

[A]

It's like. I mean, because the. The sweet spot's like this big. It's tight, you know, it's tiny. And the, the rackets are strung with like, cat gut and like all this weird. But it's. It's cool. They're different.

[D]

Come on.

[B]

Cat guts. Like.

[A]

Yeah, like, like, like gut, like string, like tennis string, like is. Is created or made from like. Yeah, like, cat gut or something like that. Don't.

[C]

Peter's gonna be all over this now.

[A]

Close.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

PETA's pissed. So they found a. They found a different way. A different way to do it with some Luxalon string and all this stuff. But the. There haven't been a ton of advances, like, recently, so. So that's why it's just. It's incredible to see these two guys. You saw three guys that were generational and, you know, you thought, okay, Novak's got 24 majors, Djokovic's got 24 majors. There's no way anyone's gonna catch him. And these two guys are coming along. And, and they don't have a whole lot of competition right now in terms of like super high level. And so they're just, they're just blowing through guys that are 10 in the world. No problem.

[B]

It's incredible when, when they had the big three and then I guess you could say Murray was in the mix there. So the Big Four, was that considered the best era of tennis of all time?

[A]

I mean, I think it was at a, at a, I mean I'm barely obviously biased. Like, like it's almost a blessing and a curse to play in that era, right? Because like my best tennis that I played was maybe 2003, 2004 and then maybe 10, 11, 12, 2010. 1112 and like 2010, my best year, 2011. Those guys were all at the top. So like Murray was, had either just won Wimbledon or just, he was about to win Wimbledon for the first time since Fred perry in like 19 something something a long time ago. And he had just, and he was about to win the gold medal at the Olympic, in the Olympics at Wimbledon as a, as a Brit. So he, and he was the fourth guy. He was the fourth best guy. So it was kind of a blessing and a curse. Like yeah, it's, it's awesome to be a part of that and to, and to you know, make kind of the, there's, we have a year end championships which is called the World Tour Final. It's the top eight players in the world and I was able to make that and make it with those four guys and like, you know, because they would take four spots. There's only four spots left and you're just like, you're just hoping to, to get that. So I snagged one of those last spots and, and got beat up pretty bad. Well, I lost in three sets to both of them, both fetter and the doll. But you're in the group with better Nadal and, and another French guy who's awesome and it's just like there's no, no, there's no easy, you know, there's no freebies at all. So it's like it's a, a blessing to be able to play in there and to say, oh, did you play Roger Federer? No way. How is he? Blah blah. Yeah, I played him and he beat me like almost every time.

[C]

So I, I, I just recently rew. Oh, quickly, our producer mentioned Dr. Phil's got a net worth of 460 million.

[B]

Oh, that'll do.

[C]

There you go.

[B]

So that I'd have each, each court I'd have A clay court. I'd have a grass court. I have a hardcore, kind of like.

[A]

That'S post tax, by the way. So, so you know that's about a bill out here especially, that's a billy goat out here.

[C]

But I, I, I watched the documentary when it came out, Breaking Point. Unreal. And, and I recently watched it because I knew you were coming on. And so I have a kind of a bunch of questions from that. Almost starting from the beginning. It. Tennis is an interesting sport to me because you kind of find out who the future pros are at a super young age. Like, unless, unless I'm completely wrong, but it seems like, especially for the women, like 13, 14, 15. You're like, all right, this person's coming. You went to this is it, Saddlebrook. And all the great, all the greats were there, Pete Sampras, all these guys. And then part of the, the things I read about you was at 2 years old, you weren't just skating, you were actually like, like from the baseline, getting it over the net. So were you always just super talented, kind of like a phenom? You know, I know you're modest, but at a super young age. And that's kind of why you guys moved to Florida.

[A]

No, we, we, so I played all sports. We were a big proponent. I've got a son who's 11 years old who's pretty sporty kid as well. And, and a daughter too, but daughter, Stella right here, she writes that on the board. On my board. And, and so our thing is to, you got to do a team sport and an individual sport. Just because I think it's a individual sports are so unique in you, you don't have anyone else to rely on. You gotta, especially tennis. Like tennis is like the non contact gladiator sport. You leave the locker room, you just walk out there in the arena and you play. But you only have to beat one person. You don't have to beat the whole draw. It's not like golf where you got to beat like 140 guys in the same day. Like, you just bet it was one person on that one day, figure that out. And oh, by the way, once you get out there, the crowd's there, the conditions, whether it's hot, cold, whatever surface you're on, however that your opponent plays a lot of things that are kind of out of your control. And then team wise, team sport wise, I was a big baseball guy. I really like baseball. I thought that was kind of the, kind of the fun, most fun sort of team sport where you're just kind of with your boys, it's not super physical. You're not going to really get injured all that much and you're just taking a stick and trying to hit a, you know, hit a ball as far as you can. So, so I did, I did a lot of that stuff and then I played this, you know, kind of niche tennis for it where when you grow up in, in sort of grade school and elementary school and stuff, you're, you know, you're not the quarterback of the football team and it's like hard to, you know, it's hard for kids to your friends to understand like if you're a good athlete or not, right? Or if like to really, truly understand like, like how good you are at tennis or at golf or whatever. And I, I excelled in, when I was younger, I excelled in golf, tennis and baseball a little bit. And so I played like a pretty high level junior golf and junior tennis post 13. I stopped playing baseball when I was 13 so I could sort of see if, see how good I could get in those two sports. I loved golf and I loved baseball. But I guess my dad saw something in me. My dad growing up has been a, a tennis fan before I was born. He was going to the US Open as a fan before I was even born. And so when I showed a little bit of promise in tennis, you know, obviously pushing me towards, towards that sport and, and you know, thankful he did but, but it was one of those things where I played. Florida is a really tough section and a tough part of the country to play tennis in. They've got a lot of really good junior tennis players there, mostly because of the weather and just, you know, there's a lot, lot of, a lot of tennis players in that, in that state. I was ranked like 50 in the state of Florida, which was like pretty solid. I could go to, you know, I couldn't go to like my first choice like, you know, University of Georgia was number one in the country in tennis, you know, or is A lot of times my buddies ended up going there like I couldn't go there but I may have been able to go to Florida State or like, you know, some. So I'm gonna go into a cool school and, and gotten used it as a tool for an education or something like that. And we lived in a small town in Florida called Vero Beach, Florida. Just a small, beachy sort of country beachy town on the east coast. They're about an hour north of Palm beach. And I had sort of run into like not Being able to find players that were better than me because it's, you know, again, small. You know, kind of a small town. And so I was kind of playing with, like, I. I would, like, play sets with. With the. Our veterinarian who, like, really liked tennis and, like, he was a little older and like, you know, guys are, like, a little older or whatever. And so we cut. Sort of came to the conclusion that in 10th grade, my sophomore year in high school, that we would try an academy where I would just give up everything else. I wouldn't play, you know, junior golf tournaments anymore, and I would just focus on tennis. And when I went there, I was ranked right around 50 in the state of Florida. And I left, like, like, number one in the country. So I was able to. Yeah, so in 10 months, I was able to play someone that was better than me every single day. So I'd show up and there's a challenge ladder, and there's like, 50 kids in the challenge ladder. And I was 50, and the number one kid would beat me. Six one, six two. Six one or six two, something like that. We'd play a set and you just sort of move up and down on these challenge ladder. And everybody sort of followed along. And I got there, you know, right around the bottom and. And left at the top and. And it was again, like, I play. I was able to play every day, all day. We didn't do any school work. It's just like, we went to school for like, two hours and. And you just. You played in the morning before school, and he played after school all day, every day. Guys like Pete Sampras were there. Guys like, you know, so you could see the greatest players in the world and how they prepared and how they. How they trained and all that stuff, which was awesome. Yeah. And I left there my. So starting, you know, kind of in the summer before my junior year of high school, you know, right around one of the top players in the country and then. And then ended up going one more sort of half school year and played. Played a bunch of, like, ITF tournaments, which are like junior like, world stuff. Like, so you're playing all over. You're playing in Italy on clay. You're playing in, you know, you're playing Junior Wimbledon, Jr. US Open. There's a junior circuit that's like, you know, you're not. You're not making any money. And. And so it's like really, you know, it was really difficult for my parents to be able to, you know, afford that kind of stuff. They've got A kid like flying around all over the world, playing in these tournaments, going to Asia, going to these wild places. Wild places. Like in Pattaya, Thailand. Saw some in Pattaya, Thailand that right to this day I would be like holy 16 years old. Well, I mean like you'd go up. I mean it was one of those like, one of those like, like hotel like areas where it was a hotel and this, the tournament was at the hotel. It was like 16 years old.

[B]

This sounds like White Lotus before White Lotus.

[A]

Yeah, kind of. But there's like a, there's like a, a strip or a street behind the hotel and, and it's like kind of near the water, on the water and a beautiful place. But then this street was just like, like bars and restaurants and like strip clubs. Like all like that's all they had. Like, just. And so you'd go into a bar and you'd have all these like Thai girls like come up to you beautiful, like Thai women, like give, showing you interest. I'm like, damn, I'm on fire right now. You know, this kind of thing. They're all prostitutes, every single one of them.

[C]

And so you, some of them are lady men.

[B]

Did you have Crocodile Dundee, the nut grab? Just to make sure.

[E]

Just.

[A]

Yeah, well, and then so I, so I'd go, I'd go in and you'd go to like one of these bars and there'd be people like on stage and there'd be like women like shooting like ping pong balls like you know, out of their he who's and like just like, and I'm, I'm 16 years old, dude. And so it's like I, I, so I saw, you know, so you're like, you're seeing stuff that you're, you're growing up fast is my point. Right? And like I didn't finish half of my junior year of high school, but I saw the world and traveled the world and saw some that like, like, you know, that not necessarily like that but like, you know, saw some like real stuff where like you're in Manila in the Philippines and there's a kid that's 8 years old like trying to sell you gum because they have no money. And like just sort of. I saw the world when my friends were all at school and just felt like I grew up faster doing that as opposed to going to school. So it was just, it was a wild upbringing and there were obviously sacrifices that you make where you don't have, you know, I didn't go to prom or I didn't Go to, like, you know, like, you know, all that normal stuff that. That people do or kids do. But I didn't have to do schoolwork. Like, I was training. Like, I went to practice instead. Like, they went to, you know, I went off to a tournament and they had to do finals or SATs. I didn't ever even took my SATs. So it was like, I turned pro at a really young age. And you had to bring that full circle. Like, do you have to. There's only so many years on your body for a tennis player. You see it now, or the advances of, like, you know, fitness and medicine and just understanding your body and training and all that stuff, and you can play a little bit longer. Novak Djokovic is 38 years old. He's in the semis of the US Open. So, like, you can still do it, but, man, it's hard to. To do it for a really long time. Your bot, like, my body. I'm not a football player or hockey player necessarily, so I didn't get beat. Like, I didn't get, like, hit by people, but, man, I've been, like, pounding on hard courts, on concrete feet. My knees, My knees. I showed my daughter, who's eight yesterday. This morning I was tying your shoes before school, and I said, stella, can you hear this? And I was like, just, like, bending down to sit down and then standing up, and it's like, that's my knees, like, just cracking, you know, is. Whatever. So it's like, yeah, there's a lot of wear and tear on your body. And then. Then the travel, dude, like. Like, we start in Australia, and then we come back to the US and we go to Europe. Then we come back to the US and go back to Europe for, like, three months, and then we come back to the States for this sort of section after this. These guys have, like, two or three weeks off. They'll go back to Asia to play, like, three tournaments in Asia and then go back to Europe to play three or four turns at the end of the year and you in Europe. So it's like, it's that. That weighs on you as well. It's expensive. It weighs on. You know, it's like, it's difficult. So there's a lot of. A lot of cool stuff about being an individual athlete in an. In a super individual sport, which I love. I'm a sort of a. I love the team aspect, but I'm a individual sport guy. I love, like, having all the. The. The accolades and then also all the blame. If you. If you Stink. So it was the sport that, That I chose. I wish I chose something else because it's really hard, but it worked out.

[B]

When you, when you're at that young age, when you moved to that academy and you said you were ranked 50th, like, at. As you were climbing up, at any point, were you like, oh, God, this is kind of wearing on me mentally and physically, where you maybe wanted to quit or because you had like, the.

[D]

To.

[B]

You were chasing that number one spot and there was something to build towards. Like, you were kind of all in and you didn't really look at it like a job at all. And. And you just were really, truly enjoying it in the moment.

[A]

It got it. It became a job. Tennis becomes a job pretty quickly. You're your own boss, like, right away. You. You don't have to. I. I've never had to answer to anyone like, like, you can hire someone and you can sell them. You know, tell me whatever you think. And the. The best coaches in. In tennis, I think. I think the best coaches in general are coaches that want the job but don't need the job. They're not afraid to tell you what. What you want to hear and all that stuff. Sometimes I didn't want to hear some of the stuff that, like, your coach would say, so you just fire them or you just go a separate way or whatever, like, because we were. We. We are our own boss. And so it's. It's a. I've. I never. I never came across the vibe of like, this isn't working out. I'm gonna stop because I've. I'd always. I love sports and I always wanted to be a professional athlete. And that was, that was what I did. I was a tennis player. And yeah, it's just. It's. It's one of those sports where it's super individualistic. It is. You get all the blame and all the credit, period. And if there's a rush in winning in tennis because you, you can. There's a lot of losing. There's. Even, Even in a. If you play a match and you win 6, 4, 6, 4. This sounds fairly routine. I don't know if you guys know the score, scoring very well or whatever. It's a fairly routine win, and you look at the stats and you probably won 51% of the points, which means you lost almost half the time. It's a ton of losing to, like, try and mentally get over that hurdle and stuff. But no, at a young age, biz like, I was. I, like, I loved it like it was, you know, I could, I didn't have to. I hated school so like that was the last thing I wanted to do. I just needed it. So I just wanted to, I didn't have to do that. I'd go visit my friends at Florida State where they were for like, you know, a long weekend over, over Halloween and, and act like an idiot for three days and then I'd go back to train. They go, they'd have to go back to school. And I just thought it was awesome.

[B]

So, so that, that is awesome. Was that around the time that you ended up befriending and meeting Andy Roddick?

[A]

Yeah, so, so the, the, the. My sophomore year, that 10th grade at Saddlebrook that following year I actually, Andy and I shared a coach. So we, we had the same coach. His name was Stanford Boster who's a really hard nosed South African guy. Didn't put up with, we, if we did weren't, were unprepared run. We had a mile lap kind of around our like where we, where we trained like run a mile. You did it, you did it more than like three or four times. He'd drop you off two exits down and tell you to run six miles back home type type stuff off 95, like off freeway basically. Yeah. Literally old school. And I learned a lot from that where I was a, you know, pretty soft like, like, you know, Swedish sweet ish kid. Right. Like I was. And, and he, he instilled like a lot of like toughness in me, a lot of feistiness in me or brought out a lot of like feistiness and stuff. And I, I lived with Andy and his parents. I was like a brother to him. We fought at everything, we competed at everything. We, we, we went to the same exact school at the same exact time time but we drove separate cars because I thought I had a faster way than he did and he thought he had a faster way. We tried to date the same girls. We tried to like all that stuff. So, so we competed at everything. He was a truly a brother like where you just love and fight about everything and he's still, you know, still to this day we're, we don't talk nearly as much. He's in Charlotte and I'm out here in la. We don't talk nearly as much, but we're family, right? Like it's, we're family. So. So, so we spent a lot of time together. We trained a ton. We practiced, we pushed each other and he, he, he had an incredible career hall of fame Career first ballot hall of Famer. He was a alpha, you know, the alpha in our generation. Alpha male of our generation and took a lot of the brunt of, of the press and the media of not wiseman American, not winning more majors and all that stuff. And he's kind of cheeky answer always was, I don't know. I won the US Open as them, you know, kind of thing. So, so we never, you know, James Blake, myself, we never really got, we never got over the hump in terms of winning another slam for the States. But again, that comes. Comes in the era of when we played, which was like they weren't giving them away very, very often either.

[C]

It's cool though that like living together. It was. And even saddlebrook your rise. It's like iron sharpens iron. Like that's. I don't think either one of you guys. Well, maybe I'm wrong. Make it to the levels you did without each other those, what, two, three years? I guess. I mean, I, I watching him, he. You talked about the French final this year, that final against Federer. Was it Wimbledon where it was 1614 in the fifth set biz like they went five set. It was insane, but it was pretty sick. He got one major because, you know, with his kind of resume and what everyone thought about him, if he didn't get one, you'd, you'd feel a lot worse. I mean, he was running incredible.

[A]

Andy that you're talking about. The 09 Wimbledon final is one of the best matches of all time. 16 14. Andy actually didn't lose serve until 1514 in the fifth. He had. That was the only time he lost serve. Rogers sets that he won in that match were both tiebreakers. Andy beat him. Andy broke him like once or twice. An epic match. I'll never forget that match because Andy was up a set and he had like a high volley like on, on the net, kind of in a breaker to go up like 5, 3 or 6, 4, one of those things. And, and he, he, he. Roger beat him in so many big matches, semis of Grand Slam, so many times in the semis of Grand Slams. He beat him in another final, Wimbledon. He beat him in two US Open finals. Andy, if, if just if Roger wasn't there, Andy would have, I think Andy would have won six, six to seven to eight majors, honestly, just if Roger wasn't there, because I don't think anyone was beating him outside of him. And then Roger just had this. He had the game to beat him. He was so good at. Because Andy served, you know, he sort of changed the game in terms of how fast guys would serve and how big they would serve. He served. He had a. He had the fastest serve ever at one point at 155 miles an hour. The reason why I know that is because his boat was named 155, which is kind of dorky, but.

[E]

But.

[A]

But we love. But. But. So I remember. I remember how fast it was because of he named his boat 155. But. But he's, you know, like, he sort of changed the game in terms of, like, how. How big you can serve and get away with it. And then he was just a mental bulldog dude. He just was a bulldog, and he would just never quit. And he thought he should win, and he thought he should win everything. He's down 5, 0. And he still. They're rare. Like, you would. You would think that's like, there's only so many things in sport or really intense, like in tennis, but really in sport where it's like, you can control your attitude, you control your effort, and you can control, like, how fit you are. Right? Like, that's kind of it. Like, I can't control how I'm gonna. I'm gonna feel when I wake up tomorrow. I'm not gonna control how. If biz, you and I were playing how you're gonna play or how you feel or the weather or the crowd or the balls or the court, whatever. But I can control my attitude. I control how hard I try, how. How hard I try or how good my attitude is, how hard I try and how fit I am. Am. Because I can work my ass off to do it. Otherwise, you can't really control. And in sport, it's, you know, in all sports, it's fairly. Fairly similar. It's certainly attitude and effort, and effort, like, just went a long way. Like. And there's so many times where you wake up and you're like, oh, I gotta play again today. I gotta play this guy. This guy is brutal to play. Or he's not fun, or it's hot out. And I got. Like, there's no excuses, and there's no timeouts, and there's no anything. There's no. Like, hey, can't. Can a sub come in? Like, I don't feel good. Like, you just. You just have to do it. And I think that's, like, Andy did such a great job of that. But also why or how, like, how these kind of fetter. Like, Roger was so dominant for so long, and there's no way he'd wake up Every day and go, yeah, I feel awesome. And go out there and play awesome. Because you never do. Like you rarely play. I don't know if you guys play any, play any golf ever, but like you rarely play like really good in golf. Like so it's like a lot of it's mental to try and get around and figure out and I've sort of fallen in love with the, the mental side of sport and the mental side of like tennis and now I play a lot of golf. Bunch of little celebrity golf tournaments or athlete golf tournaments and stuff like that they have around in like a lot of, you know, it's like just figuring out the mental side, picking guys brains. There's tons of hockey guys in it. Joe Pavelski is one of the, one of the best hockey, one of the best golfers I've been around and he phenomenal golfer and we've played. Joe and I have played. I used to win a lot of them. Joe and I played four tournaments together this year and Joe won three of them and I won the other one. So not happy about the way that year. Yeah, this year went. But Joe's the sweetest guy, he's the nicest dude. So it's hard to like hard to get, hard to get pissed at him.

[B]

Oh, he's the best.

[A]

He's the best.

[B]

We gotta get him on at some point. Wait, you had one?

[C]

Sorry, yeah, just from, from the, the movie that I watched the documentary. Like, like you ended up reaching a point where you kind of something clicked and it was you. You mentioned 2011 when you had that rise and you grabbed your trainer, the guy Christian, and just kind of went nuts. You went psychotic. I'm curious like at, at that point in your career, what made you be like, all right, I'm all in. Like you lose all that weight, you're training all day. But like I'm just wondering like why wasn't it three, four years before that? Like what in your mind, mind changed?

[A]

Why wasn't it the before that? I honestly believe that everyone matures at a different rate and a different pace. Like honestly speaking of Andy Roddick, like Andy matured much faster than me mentally in that, in that category. Understood the professionalism, discipline, dedication, it takes to get everything of your out of your God given abilities. And I just didn't get it. I just truly didn't understand. I was super talented. I would, I would go out and I'd go, this French guy, he's ranked 8 in the world and I'm 21, 20 years old or 21 years old and this guy's ranked 8 in the world. And I've been watching him play growing up on TV and I get out there in a big tournament in Miami and I'm like, the, is this guy, I can beat this guy? This guy's, this guy's got like pudgy little legs. He doesn't look like anything. Like I could beat this guy. And you go out and I beat them and then it would just, it would just become. I wasn't consistent because I was never truly fit enough. And I didn't understand the like, how important fitness was in tennis. Like, truly, like if you're carrying, carrying any extra weight above your waist, it's just, you're just got to carry it around for no reason. Like it's, you don't need it. That's why like you look at center or Novak Djokovic, they're super lean, super lean. You look at Roger Federer's right arm and his left arm, his left arm looks like he had a stroke, it's so small. And his right arm is like a monster. You know, he's like super strong because he's a one handed back and he didn't use it, he didn't have any use for his left arm. So he just. You don't do anything. You don't have time for it. And so, and so like understanding that and figuring it out was a big part of it. I had gotten married as well and sort of, sort of grounded me to where I was like, okay, it's not just me that's out there now. It's like I've taken care of somebody else. Really. Was, was very close with her family and her parents and her father and just kind of under, you know, just was like a, it's. She's mine now. I will take care of her, you know, and like bringing her into the mix and part of, part of your team was in, was, was big. And then honestly like 2009 was when I had this knee surge. It has a cartilage issue. It was honestly because I was too heavy with, for what I was doing. Like, and it wasn't a, oh, I've got too much muscle. It was just like. And it wasn't, I wasn't a guy where like you walked down the street, you're like, oh, that guy's overweight. You're like, wait a minute, that guy's a professional tennis player overweight. Okay. He could probably get, get lean out a little bit, you know, like that. And 2009, I had I had to have a, a cartilage issue. I had a cartilage issue with my knee, so I needed to get it fixed and I had like three. All of a sudden I have three months. And I had never had three months, you know, certainly this late in my career. And I truly had like one of those where they'd say like, oh, an aha moment or you look in the mirror or whatever, whatever. I truly did like look at myself and go, this is it, dude. Like, this is your chance. You either do it and you never know what, what could happen because I still, I still didn't know you, you do all that stuff and I'll, I'll get to it. I didn't know. I, I certainly knew where I could be. I could be 30 in the world for the rest of my career and make a little bit of cash and Lee and retire and probably have to do something else post career and which is fine, it's life, whatever. Or you could go all in and just see what happens, see where it takes you. Because I'd always wanted. It's like one of those things where like I always, I almost want to, I want to learn a language, I want to learn another language and you just never get around to it. It's like, I want to do this or I want to do that. You should never really get around to it. Whatever. Even though it was my job, I still had success. I just had. It was few and far between. It was like I'd, I'd have a great result and then I'd go away for five weeks and I just wouldn't, I was never consistent. And so I set out and I set out and I. We calorie counted everything. I hired a chef, she made all this, Guatemalan chef, she made all this food, this amazing food and stuff. And we calorie counted everything. So everything that went into my body was on purpose and counted, accounted for and everything and all my training was accounted for. And I, and I went from. It got religious. Like I went. In the first six months I lost £20 or six weeks, I lost £20 like that. And I was set out to lose like 15, 12, 15 pounds maybe. I was like, you know, right around 20203-204- nothing crazy, like, not that, you know, not that bad, but certainly for getting everything out of, of your abilities, not good enough. And, and so three months in, I, I clock in going to Australia at 172 pounds and I've lost over 30 pounds. And I'm a completely different human being. I am a. I can now. I now love to train. I now love to, like, loved fitness. I loved competing. And like, I was a. I turned into a bulldog, like, in terms of. Of in terms I would do anything I could to win. If it was talk to the other guy, I'm gonna do it. To get him out of his, out of his comfort zone, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna. If I have to kick over a water bottle because, like, he's like, he, he may like, love is whatever that, like, just in, in general, like, I'm gonna do. I'm gonna do whatever it takes to win. And that mindset, like, just bled over into, like, my life really, like, truly, like, everything got dedicated and disciplined up and professional. And I understood. I finally understood. And I didn't know where it was going to take me. I had no idea, like, if I was going to be a better player. A lot of, A lot of people initially were like, man, you've lost so much weight, you probably won't have a ton of energy, like deep in matches and stuff like that. You're not eating as much, all that stuff. And dude, I turned into someone who, like, was nervous about playing in the middle of the day in the heat in Miami, to requesting it and talking about it out loud to my opponents and saying, I love this, I love playing in this. When I knew they didn't. Because a lot of dude, a lot of, like, in the summer, these guys that are playing in the US Open has been pretty good. The weather's been pretty good in New York this time around, but it can get crazy hot. I'm talking like 95 degrees in crazy humidity in Cincinnati in the early August, right? And you're playing on a hardcore and the sun is beating down, it's 150 on the court, and you have to figure it out and you have to beat him. And my, like, my, like, I just, I went to. My mindset just always went to, well, let me show these guys that I love it. Even though, like, nobody, like, loved playing in that stuff, but it was like, if I talk about it in the press, if I say, yeah, I want to play at one o' clock in the afternoon against Andy Murray in Cincinnati, because I know he's going to. He's going to hate that type of weather and I'm just going to bluff it and say that I love it in the press, and then he's going to think that I love it and I'm going to, you know, whatever, and I'm going to manage it. And I was like super diligent with my training and how I manage. I never did any like excess like even in a match I would never like do any excess like energy boosts or anything like that. I would just try and always maintain because you never. The one thing about tennis too is like, like we ha. We have to train for a two out of three set match or a three out of five in the case of, of a Grand Slam. A three out of five set match. So a three out of five set match could last an hour and a half or it could last five and a half hours. So like we, we have to train for the five and a half hours even though we may play. Or Yannick Sinners training for a five hour match like he had in the French Open final, but last night he played for an hour and 20 minutes, you know, so it's like, like, you know, guys will usually just lean towards like the hour and a half or two and a half hour type thing and I would, I just started, I started training like a madman and I started like getting multiple training partners during each like during the same session. I'd have like three, three people come through because they were getting tired. Yeah, they were like getting tired of.

[B]

The fresh guy against them.

[A]

Exactly. They were getting tired. So I'd send them out, someone else would send in and I would. Was so fit dude. And it was such a, like such a, A a liberating feeling and a, and a self confidence feeling that like you'll, you know that, that I've, I haven't found sense. And you do miss that right? Like you do miss like that like feeling of being that fit or being that good or that, that good at something or whatever. And that's the, that's kind of the. I don't watch a lot of tennis anymore. But that's the thing that you kind of miss the most is just like, like being really good at something and just like getting in the fire and just like wanting to just beat the, out of the, out of the person across even though it's a non contact sport.

[B]

We, we were talking to Rick Talket earlier today. We interviewed him and, and he was talking about the orientation camp with Team Canada and how he was maybe taking a little bit of back by how small the guys were upper body now wise but because hockey's not maybe as physical as it used to be. But you can't have any of these extra pounds up top because of, you know, I mean next year they're going to 84 games and then you got to go through playoffs, right. So all those extra pounds can, can. Can weigh you down. And I was going to go back because I was going to ask you about your, maybe your relationships with like the, the Nadal and the, and the, and the Federers and stuff like that. Because you're competing against them. Whereas like Andy Roddick, you, you, you lived with him, right? So you're buddies with them. Did you get to experience any times away from the court with those guys or because you're competing against them one on one, you just kind of want to keep it where you almost like, you kind of want to hate them because you're competing against them.

[A]

Only, only in practice sessions would you like, interact with those guys. Like, truly, like if you, you know, before a tournament, let's say the US Open, you're there the week before. Get used to the. There's a lot of sponsor obligations and stuff. Settle in New York. It's pretty hectic. Take that whole week. You're still training, you're still, you know, and you're training with, you're trying to play with top players and trying to play, train with guys that play. Like the guy that you're playing in the first round. If it's a lefty, you're trying to look for lefties and righty, you're going to make sure you're going to hit with a righty or whatever. And so practicing with those guys, you sort of get to know them and their personalities a little better. Everyone has like their own team, right, that like, at least the top guys kind of have. So I had a trainer, Christian. I had a coach, I had a wife. I'm like, already on without anybody else. You obviously have an agent, a manager, whatever, but like just your little four group and they bring their group. You're already at an eight top, right? And like, I'm not a, I'm a. Like, let's keep it down to four is max. Six is okay kind of thing. Like eight and you start like, all right, it's a two and a half hour dinner. Like, let's, let's move this along. No. Yeah. So like, you wouldn't really do that kind of stuff unless it was like, like James or Andy, James Blake or Andy or Rodic, whatever, where you're just real quick. You know each other so well. We're really, really lucky. We were really lucky with those three guys. Honestly. Jovic gets a lot of, a lot of flack, I think with just the way that he the way that he plays is not like necessarily an aesthetically pleasing way. He's just like, like, he's just doesn't give you anything. There's no free points. There's nothing. And it, it doesn't. He doesn't overpower you. He just sort of breaks you down, breaks your legs down, your mind down, your whatever. And then all of a sudden you're. You're like, I can't, I. I can't get anything, I can't get any free points off this guy, or I can't. Can't get a serve by him, or I can't get a forehand buy. Whatever. He's a really awesome dude. Dude. He's the guy that like, Roger and Rafa were so fun. Roger, I think will go down as in history as like maybe the most non disliked athlete of all time, to give you an example. Like, he agreed.

[D]

He's hard to dislike him.

[C]

Everyone loves him.

[A]

He biz going into Montreal and getting cheered, right? You would never. That would never happen, right?

[C]

No. A visiting player.

[B]

Who's that?

[A]

That he'd be like, yeah, he'd be like, he'd be like.

[C]

It'd be like getting cheered there.

[A]

It'd be like Derek Jeter going into Fenway park and like 75% of the crowd like standing up and like cheering for him. Like, it just, it, it didn't happen. And so Roger was so well liked and Rafa was such a sweet, humble champion where he won the French Open 14 times and so do you know, so dominant that like, like they were great guys. They were great with the press, they were great with the fans. We were really lucky with them. Novak is that as well. The problem is he beats everyone's favorite player all the time. And so people hated him and people hate him. And he's an awesome dude as well. He just, he just sort of. I honestly think if he leaned into like the John McEnroe, Jimmy Connor sort of like bad guy, like, if he leaned into that a little bit and just played it up for, for whatever and just like, bring it on, you hate me, I hate you, bring it on type like, vibe, I think he would have killed it. I mean, he's obviously killing it anyways, but like, absolutely, like a global superstar. Whatever.

[C]

The other night he was battling with the fans at Arthur Ash.

[A]

He's feisty guy, right? Like, he's a feisty dude. He's, you know, he's talking to his boss, his player box and talking to his coach, yelling at them and this and that. And like, he just. It's so hard to. I can't tell you how hard it is to do what Roger did. Or even Rafa would show some emote. Roger was just like, if you want a point or lost the point, you wouldn't know until the final point. He dropped down on his knees and go back on his back, and he had. In all the emotion would come out, but before then, you would have no idea if he won the point or lost the point. It's. And Borg was like that as well. Bjorn Borg were like, it's so hard to do that. There's so. There's so many neg. There's so much negative stress in tennis because, again, you lose so often, you lose half the games. Like, you're supposed to hold serve and lose your return games. Like, that's kind of like.

[B]

I think it's crazy how they're, like, talking to their coaches in the midst of the match.

[C]

Yeah. I always wonder, are they yelling at them? Are they mad at them? Are they mad at themselves?

[A]

Got. Everyone deals with stress and negative stress differently. Okay. Like, Roger dealt with it internally. Rafa, like, dealt with it, like, outwardly, but, like, to himself, Andy Murray and Djokovic, myself, to. To a certain degree. Like, it wasn't our fault. It had to be someone else's fault. Like, it was so. It was like our. So, like, we would try. I would try and find, like, one little thing where my coach would give me, like, yeah, this guy really likes to pass cross court on his back hand. So when you come to the net and you hit it to his backhand, he really likes to cry. He's not saying, like, he's going to do it every time. He's just saying he really, like, he's got a tendency like that. So then I'd come to the net, I'd hit it there, I'd cover cross, and they'd hit it line, and I'd like, what the Coach.

[D]

Coach, what are you doing?

[A]

You know, and you just dwell on that for a while and try to. Just try to deflect. Just try and deflect. And so, like, yeah, you can. Can. You can sit there and go. I actually, like, later in my career when I. When I was winning a lot, and, like, I didn't want that outlet. And so I actually had them move further away in the stadium, almost to where it was kind of comical. Like, almost to where I'd have to find them in the first place. And then when I find them, they're so far away that I Couldn't interact with them anyways. And I just had to focus on. On the court. I always thought that, like, you guys.

[B]

Stay on a concourse.

[D]

Don't even come out further, Go further.

[A]

You know, like I did that one time.

[C]

Marty, you double faulted. What did we do wrong?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[D]

What did we do wrong?

[A]

Yeah, well, you told me to toss it, so. No, it was one point in Cincinnati and I, you know, and like, I was, like, I had great relationship with them off the court. Right? But like, on the court, it's so stressful. And you're like, so one. One match, I was just on edge. I don't know why. I woke up on the wrong side of the bed or something. And then there they were too close. So I was like, go, go. Like, go far. Go away, go away. So they literally went to the last. The last row in the stadium and I saw where they were, and so now they're too far. Now come back. Get back down here. So just all while you're trying to beat someone who's like, TR their entire life to play tennis.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. Firing ball.

[A]

So it's. It's not a healthy game. Game. Don't put your kids in it. But, but. But mentally, it's not a very healthy game, but it's a very healthy game physically.

[B]

I was just gonna go back to you. You said that you would start the talking when you got such in good shape. You'd be like, I love this. Did you ever do, like, talk maybe a little too much, where it brought it off the court, where you guys were back in the locker rooms and the guy wanted to wring your neck out?

[A]

Like, luckily, most of the guys are pretty soft.

[C]

Most of them are like golf in a sense, right?

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, there were a couple times where, like, I had a guy's dad come in and tell, you know, and like. And like, not like, get in my face necessarily, but just kind of like, because I was like, way overboard, like, way over. Like, I. This guy, because he was beating me, and I ended up beating him. And I went back in the locker room like, oh, I gotta deal with this, you know, or whatever, whatever. And. And I would. And. And either they would say, I promise you, if I lost the match, I was the one that was like, chirping, chirping, chirping, and they would sort of like, run away. There's been a couple times. One instance I played the final of San Jose, which is a tournament in California. They don't have any more. It was at actually at the. The HP center or hp, where the Sharks play, where Haves played. And I played a final. There's a guy named Radic Stepanic who I'm actually like, friends with now. Like, no problem. He was such a dick on the court. He was, like, so good at it, too. Like, he was just. It was part of his. He was a really good tennis player, and he was a really big dick, like, on the court as well, and he was just good at it. And he beat me, and I was so pissed. And I. I walked. I'll never forget. I walked up to the. Walked up to the net, and I put my hand out and I said, great match. I'll see you in the locker room. Just like that. And. And I. We do. You do trophy presentation. Congratulations to R. Congratulations. Blah, blah, blah. And I. And. And you do it. And then immediately, like, I go and I wait in the locker room, and, like, he's not there. And I'm waiting. I'm waiting. And then I. I'm like, maybe he's at the. Maybe he's impressed. I have to play double the doubles final, like, 30 minutes after my singles final, because I was in the doubles final as well. And so I had to, like. I couldn't go find him, and I had to, like, go play doubles. And then when I was done with the doubles, he was gone. And then a week goes by, and you just sort of forget it, and you just move on. And, like, there's a. There. There's plenty of times on the court, though, biz, where you're like. I mean, these guys are so soft, dude. And they're just like. I. I remember one guy, I was. I just got off my honeymoon. I hadn't played or practiced. All I was doing was drinking. Drinking margaritas in Mexico with my wife. With my new wife. And we. And I had to go to a tournament in Madrid in indoor tournament. And it was this French guy that was playing, and he was just being a little bitch, and he was complaining so much, and he was telling. He was telling. He was complaining to the umpire that I was taking too long in between points because I was so fucking tired because I hadn't trained, because I was on the beach and Madison. And I was. And I. And so I. And so I finally went up to the match. I was like, dude, you're such a. I'm beating you. I haven't even practiced. I'm tired as hell, and I'm still beating you.

[D]

You suck.

[A]

You know those kinds of things. So. So. And then you'd think that that would. That would pull over into the locker room. So we're all share a locker room. Everyone shares a locker room. So it never really did. It was. It never really did. And then later in like, you know, post career, I got it. I've gotten. Now for about 10 years, I've gotten into mixed martial arts and I compete in jiu jitsu and I train Muay Thai. I have to do tournaments in jiu jitsu and stuff. I do like five or six tournaments a year. And. And I love it. And now, like, I would love for that to happen now. I'd like die to do it now. But like, I. Now I actually, like, I do it every day. I. I fight for fun now. So now it would be. It would be way more fun.

[C]

But they're like, Marty Fish has Feder in an arm bar center quarter.

[A]

I had. I played Andre Agassi in 2004 and we had like a little like, misunderstanding that we've talked about since. And Andre is like one of my favorite people in the world. And like, he's like kind of the OG like everyone wanted, like, Andre Agassi, like, he's your guy. Like, he's your guy. Like, Agassiz is just so cool. And the way he played in his style and just. He was just a badass. And we talked about it recently because he's doing a. He's coming out with his documentary, which I can't wait for like, full access.

[D]

He did a book.

[C]

Was incredible.

[A]

His book was incredible. One of the best biographies, autobiography.

[B]

Talk about how, like, during some of his win streaks that he was on hard drugs. Is that.

[A]

Oh, yeah, well, Well, I think. Well, the. The thing that got the most attention, honestly, was the fact that his hair. What was a wig.

[C]

Yeah, that I was like, his long.

[A]

Hair was a wig. I'd know. No one had any idea. And that came out. So there's gonna be. His. His documentary is going to be amazing. Amazing. And they're filming. And so while they were filming it, we talked about this sort of thing and he. He mentioned that, like, we kind of got into it. It was like a misunderstanding where, like, I looked across the net and I thought something. I thought my ball was out and I was looking at my coach instead, all he saw was I was looking at him and like fist pumping like, and he felt like it was in his face. And so we like, he wanted.

[C]

He.

[A]

And then he told me this is. That this is like this year. He told me this. When we finally talked about the story, he was like, oh, no, no, I wanted to. I was going into the locker room to look for you, to fight you, and I was like. And I was like, oh, man. And now I would have been like, oh, that would have been amazing.

[B]

Yeah, I would have loved for you to do that.

[A]

And he goes. And then he stops and goes, wait a minute. You didn't know jiu jitsu back then, did you? And I was like, no, no, you would. You would have been fine. You would have been fine.

[C]

You said you played golf with Corey Perry today. An incredible dick on the ice. But how, like, hockeys, you could spear guys and all that. Like, how are you. How. This guy you. You said was the biggest dick? Like, how are you a dick playing tennis? You know what I mean? Like, what can drive you nuts playing against somebody.

[A]

Fist pumping or, like, outwardly, you know, like, come on. When you'd, like, double fall or make like, an error, like an easy error.

[C]

Oh. When the. When your opponent does, you're saying, yeah, like.

[A]

Like, let's say I'm playing. I'm playing biz. And Biz misses an easy ball. And then I'm like, yes, come on. Like, right in his face. Like, that's. That's pretty dick. He would do a lot of that. He would do, like, right when you're about to serve, he'd throw his hand up and, like. And, like, go back and, like, get his towel and then go back again. He was just, like. It was very good. I mean, dude, he was. He was good at it, too. And it was well within the rules, you know, for the most part. For him, you know, for. For him to do. So. So, yeah, it's like, yeah, you can. You can. Like, I mean, you can. You know, you can wait to. I. I gave one guy a shoulder bump in Indian Wells, like, walking by the. Like, walking by the changeover because he was. He was acting like an idiot. Yeah, you could do all that.

[D]

All kinds of stuff.

[B]

Crazy. We need. We need more of that. And this. They had the one guy.

[D]

Guy was.

[B]

He wasn't Australian.

[C]

He's the.

[B]

He's not playing right now.

[A]

Nick Curios. Nick. Curious. He's Australia. He's an Aussie. Yeah, Nick. Nick jumped into the fire. Like, there's an American kid named Ben Shelton right now who's a phenomenal, phenomenal tennis player. Every time I watch him play, I love, like, I just. I like him more and more. He's feisty, he talks. He's in your face. Like, I love it. I just love it. Because you. You. Dude, you get one, you get one chance at a career and you get one chance at this one match and like do everything you can to win. Do it all. And some guys don't. Some guys are so easily, so easily to be able to push, to be pushed around. And the ones that I kind of gravitate nowadays to, the ones who aren't and the ones who like that and who jump into that and aren't afraid of, of, you know, to play Novak in the US Open night match and like in like take it to him as opposed to, oh my gosh, it's so great to be on the court with you. You're such a great, you know, whatever. And you can do that post Smash, like, dude, no problem. I had no problem. Just like, that's why I love one of the reasons why I love like the hockey lines at the end of as, at the end of series, just because like beat the out of each other and then let's shake hands and wash it or, or fight or like you gotta fight and get it over with and then it's over and then you move on and it's just. I just love. I, I. There's so many aspects of hockey that like I internally have or use or whatever. Playing in a, you know, super soft individual sport, you know, non contact.

[C]

Yeah, it's, it's, it's so entertaining though, like the major specifically. But I do want to ask about, you know, a big part of the documentary is.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Is kind of like the anxiety. And I don't want to, I don't want to call it depression. You could kind of explain what you went through where it led you to actually not even play in the round of 16. I think it was at the U.S. open. And it's a wild story. Like the fact you were going through that and competing at that high of a level. It just shows how skilled you were. But can you kind of tell us that, that, that story, how it all began and yeah, basically how you're doing now with all the same type things. Right. I mean, it's got to not immediately go away with retirement.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And like, when did it start? How did it fester? And I believe it was against Federer that you didn't go out and play. Correct. It was a match.

[A]

Yep. So 2012, I. 2011 was my best year. 2012, like I remember I finished the year 2011 on Thanksgiving. We played the World Tour Finals was at the O2 in London. So, you know, not a Thanksgiving holiday over there. But so I, I played Roger in the, my Last match there on Thanksgiving, went home. That was a th. That was a Thursday, obviously. Went home the next day, started training again Monday for the next year. So like I had already. What I wish I could have done and what I wish a lot of like athletes do is not be satisfied with your results, but, but be open to celebrating Good, right? Like just like be, be okay with taking an extra day or two to appreciate what you had just done that year. I wish I had taken that whole week off and started the next Monday or even two weeks after that. Jim Courier was one of the, one of the, all time, like animal fitness guys. He, after every year, he put his rackets down for two weeks, didn't touch anything, didn't do anything for two straight weeks. And he was like, he was like the sort of the ultimate like fitness guy or whatever. He changed the game. Literally changed the game. So I started training like right away. I had, I had something called tachycardia, which was, which is a electrical issue in your heart that sort of manifests through stress, caffeine, alcohol, like, stuff like that. If you have this, this sort of issue, it's not a life or death thing. It's sort of like afib for some people that have heard of that at fibrillation, sort of of your. Where your heart, the, the electric, the electricity in your heart is like the quarterback and it, when it fires, it tells your heart to beat. So like fire up a boat. Fire some of them and there's thousands of them. Some of them can fire uncontrollably and like malfunction. And so they just fire like uncontrollably. And so your heart doesn't know but to beat because it's like, oh, it's firing. So I should beat. And so your heart is beating. I trained, really, I trained with a heart rate monitor on whenever I was, would when I, whenever I would practice because I wanted to know in tennis we only get 25 seconds between each point. How could I get my heart rate as high as I could possibly get it to? And then how. And then I have 25 seconds to do these breathing techniques and all this stuff. So I'd train like crazy. I'd stop for 25 seconds, I'd do these breathing and then I'd start again and I'd do it over and over and over again. I couldn't get my heart rate above 192, 192 beats per minute on my own. When these, when these episodes would happen, they would come out of nowhere, usually at night. Honestly, they would, I'd wake up in the middle of night. My heart was beating, and it was beating at like 220, 230 beats, and which is like, I mean, like, I felt like my, my, Because I didn't know anything about the heart, anything really about that area. And like, I thought, could it explode? Does it blow up? Whatever? And so your mind starts racing. You go into a panic attack as well as, and those are, those are brutal little. So I, I, I developed this tachycardia. I had a procedure, a heart procedure called an ablation, where they go through the, your groin, the main vein, and they go up and they basically recreate the bad. You know, recreate the tachycardia and kill the bad ones, the, the dead one, you know, and just deaden them. They either freeze them or, or singe them off with heat. Very success. Like, there's probably an 80% success rate with guys I've know a few people that have tried, have had to do it. Tw most part, it's, you get it, you get it done, and it never happens again. I had that happen. It never, I got it done. It never happened since then. This was during, like, May. I'm still, and mind you, I'm still like, the number one American. And that was a big thing because Andy Roddick was number one American for our, in our generation for a long time. And it was my first time sort of overtaking him, getting into the top 10 in the world the year prior. So I was still, like, in the top 10, top eight in the world or whatever. Still the number one top American in the world. And I had to pull out of the French Open to do that, which was fine. I was not very good on clay. And start the grass. Grass was my best surface. I'd go over there, and I went over to Wimbledon, and my dad, my father had, like, an issue where he had, he had to have a pacemaker put in. I was like, dad, have you, have you had any of these, like, sort of where you think it's gonna happen again or, like, I didn't even know what the thoughts were. They were just. Because you don't know anything about. Yeah, you're just, like, you're always, like, on edge that something bad is gonna happen. Right. Anxiety, like, your mind. My mind was way down here and not present. Right. Like, depression is. You're thinking about, like, the past and the current, whatever. And anxiety is sort of like your, your mind is three days away and your body's, like, right here. It's like, you Gotta maintain. You gotta stay right here. That's, you know, what. The kind of. The feeling of anxiety. I didn't know what the thoughts were, but they were just sort of. They kept coming ever so slightly, a little bit more, A little bit more. At Wimbledon, I'd asked my dad, like, when you had that heart attack, like, and you had the thing put in, like, have you ever thought, like, it may come back? Or. No, no, I feel good, you know, whatever. I was like, okay, you know, problem. And I'd ask another guy who had an ablation that I knew of, it was around the tennis world, and same exact question. No, I never had that, you know, kind of thing, you know. And little by little, these weeks will go by and we're playing Wimbledon and. And I'm. I'm having success in these tournaments. In the fourth round in Wimbledon, made the quarters of. In Canada and Toronto. I mean, the quarters of Cincinnati lost to Roger. And like, I'm beating all the players I should be, and I'm losing the players that, like, are really good players until it got to a point where. And I was totally fine on the court. I had enough things to think about on the court. That was my only safe haven, was like, I don't have any of these thoughts on the tennis court. So once I get on the tennis court, I'm good. Like, I'm. I'm. This is my happy place. I'm good. I played a third round match at the US Open against a French guy named Gilles Simone, who's a really tough, like, annoying player to play. You're super fast. Everything comes back, gets everything back. And I got in. I was like, the fourth set, and I got there, it was like four, two in the fourth or three, two serving in the fourth. And I look at the clock in the corner. It's. And it said like 12:45am it was a late. You know, it was a late match. We were on Arthur Ash. Was that one of those night matches like they had last night with center on there, there? And I. I, like, my mind started spiraling, like, oh, no. Like, now I'm gonna. Even if I win this set, I'm not gonna get home until I gotta do press, I gotta do stretch down, I got ice, blah, blah, all this stuff. And all of a sudden, my mind. So all of a sudden on the court was. T was gone. Like, my. That little safe haven was now.

[C]

That was the first time that it. It had hit while playing too.

[A]

First time ever. First time, yeah.

[C]

Now you're. Now you're in one.

[A]

Now I'm like, holy, how do I get through this? Don't remember. And we remember a lot of, like, Matt, I don't know if you guys remember, like, games and, like, specific parts of games or whatever. I remember a lot of. A lot of, like, in the middle of matches and, like, things that happened and stuff like that. I don't remember anything. I have no idea. I ended up winning the next three games, winning the match, going. And a buddy of mine was doing the commentary, and he was like. And I. I kept saying to him, like. Like, please hurry. Just please hurry. And he's like, what are you talking. You know, there. One in the morning. Like, I get. I guess I get it. But, like, I. What are you talking about? No one's ever said, like, please hurry. I'm like, begging him, like, please hurry. Because the only thing that I know will make me feel better in the moment is if I get off the court, run into, like, the doctor's area, and they put me on an ekg. Once they put me on an EKG unit, I knew that my heart was beating normal and then I could calm down out. And the doctors, you know, again, it's 1 1, 1:30 in the morning, keeps getting later. Every time I tell the story, it's 2:45 in the morning and. And the doc, everyone wants to leave, right? It's like, super late, and they're all done as a last match. And I'm like, please, can you go back? These two doctors. And thankfully they went back, they put me on the EKG thing. Actually still have the little readout because it was like something that, like, I just. I had like, a friend there, Sergio Garcia, who's like, one of my best friends. He's a golfer. He was there, like, just in my box. He's like, down there in the doctor's office with me, my wife, trainer, coach, whatever. They don't know what's going on. They have no idea, like, really what's going on? Because I haven't talked about it a ton because no one talks about it. Like, no one. Like, I don't. I. First of all, I didn't really understand what was happening. What. What are these thoughts? What is anxiety? I'm like, Googling. What is anxiety? Honestly, Honestly, got Googling it, like, you know, weeks prior or days prior, whatever. Just how do you beat anxiety? You know, on. On YouTube back then was like, there's nothing on there. And so I finally get back. I don't even go to the course. You go to the. You Go to the course, you go to the site. Every Grand Slam you get a day in between. If there's no rain or whatever, no, no delays, you, you play then you. A day off, you play day off. So that was my day off. Usually on the day off you'll go, you'll go out, you do some press, you'll do a 30 minute hit, you know, light, just to get a sweat and you'll go back to the hotel, relax and get ready for the match. I didn't even go. I'd stayed in, in the hotel and I was talking to like psychiatrists and googling all kinds of stuff and like trying to get, and I couldn't, I couldn't get to like in my mind I couldn't figure out how I was going to play this match because the, the, the court was taken away from me like during the match was like taken away from me. An like stress wise, anxious wise, whatever. And it was like debilitating. It wasn't like, oh, you're soft. Like suck it up. Like my son's 11, he's going to a retreat that he didn't want to go to. It's like really important that I'm a dad and I'm like, dude, you're, you're going to be fine. You got to do this, it's for school, whatever, push through it. The other, you know, like it was debilitating. Like I, all I wanted to do was just curl up in a ball. I couldn't every, I had an anxiety attack every 15 minutes of every day kind of thing. And so I'm sitting. So the, the match comes. I'm playing Roger Federer on Labor Day weekend on Arthur Ashe Stadium on CBS with, with, with like a absolute packed house. The greatest player ever. This is the match that I had sacrificed and trained so hard for to get to that I wanted to be in that now I couldn't play in. And I like we were, we, we've as athletes I think and it was, I think it was a blessing to have like my wife in the car with me, a non athlete and a non like sort of understanding our mindsets or an athlete's mindset of like just never quit, never give up, never show fear, never show weakness kind of thing. We got in the car and I'm like crying. I can't like I just, I don't know what's going on. All I want to do is go home, I want to get help. I want to, I want to know what this is. But I have to play. I Got to play, and I got to play in front of all millions of people, you know, on TV and thousands of people there in this match that I would have begged to play in two years prior, would have, like, would have done anything to be in the round of 16, deep into it, a. A Grand slam. You're our home Grand Slam. My wife says, you know, you don't have to play. And I was like, I never thought of it. I never thought of it like that. Like, you.

[B]

You.

[A]

You just don't have to take the court. And this, like, right away, this, like, weight, like, lifted off my shoulders, and I was like, oh, wow, you're right. I actually don't. I have actually had injuries before where, like, I couldn't take the court. I had a, you know, ankle injury or whatever. I had to pull out of the tournament or whatever match. It never would have crossed my mind. I have no idea. If she wasn't in the car and said that, I never would have pulled out of the match. I never would have understood that mindset, that thought of, like, it's not about, like, quitting. It was about, like, something's wrong under understanding my own, like, understanding, like, what. What is this? What is h. What is going on to you? It was no longer like, a, hey, dude, you got to get out there where. You got to get. Put yourself in that fire and. Because this is going to be good for you in the future. And, like, you know, I'm your parent, and this, you know, like, be tough, you know, that kind of thing. It wasn't that type of moment. And so I went to the courts and I told my coach, who had no idea, and I said, I'm. I'm not going to play. I can't play. And the reason that we gave, I believe was a knee injury, like, to ESPN or CBS or whatever it was at the time. They're waiting outside. I didn't want. Outside the locker room. I didn't want to do press. I got on, got off or got out of the locker room, and they're waiting there, and I just, like, bolt by, go straight to the airport, because all I want to do is get home. I get on the plane, they close the door. I hear the door close, and I'm like, oh, my God, I can't. I got to get off this plane. I got to get on this plate, like, and now another one. And I'm like, oh, my God. And so thank God again, my wife was there, because if she wasn't there, there, I'm not the type of person that would, like, cause a commotion or anything like that, she jumps up, medical emergency, gotta get off the plane. You know, like, something like that. She was just like, right away took, Took. Took like, full, full credit. Like, she just, like, went after and like, sir, your bags are gonna be. I don't care about my back. Just get me off the plane. Ended up staying, like, three days in around this New York City because I couldn't. I just. I couldn't get on a plane. I couldn't, like, I couldn't get up from the couch to. To do anything. And it was debilitating. It wasn't like, suck it up, dude. You can do this. It was like, I don't want to leave the couch. And if I do leave the couch, I might harm myself. I don't know what my. What these thoughts are, right? And so when I, like, ultimately, ultimately living back, got the help I needed, et cetera, et cetera, spent years, a couple years leaned into Golf in 2014 because I wasn't playing and played some mini tour events and stuff like that, because I was a good junior golfer that way back when. And that sort of took my mind away from the fact that, like, I was still the number one American at the time and, like, still had, like, not played very often, very much. And people are. Or, what is he doing? Where is he? My parents, even my mom is like, are you gonna play again? What am I supposed to tell my friend? You know, that kind of. That kind of. There's a lot of, like, stuff that you're still dealing with. It's not just like, if you can just stop playing and nobody, you know, no one will say anything. And the reason why, like, fast forward a bunch of years and a bunch of, you know, sort of therapy and understanding each sort of episode of when you get an anxiety attack or when you're feeling overwhelmed or stressed or whatever, and learning from each. Each of those and cutting out, you know, cutting out the things that would maybe be triggers for those. For. For. For that type of stuff I wanted. Because I was going through it. I was, again, an athlete and a sports guy and only watched sports and didn't watch. I wasn't interested in finance or politics or where I was just sports. And so I didn't have one athlete to lean on where it was like, oh, wow, that guy had depression and he broke through it and he was back and he's competing again or whatever. And I wanted to. I wanted to share my story because I had gotten comfortable with how I felt and understood What I was dealing with and understood that it wasn't just a band aid sort of thing. And it's a lifelong sort of process that you just sort of of deal with and figure out and handle with tools and techniques. I wanted to share that I wanted to be a success story for someone in my shoes. At whatever level you were playing, whether you're a junior and you're in high school or because there's lots of kids who are, you know, I want to be a professional athlete and I want to play in the NBA or I want to go to college or I want to play, you know, I want to play hockey in college or whatever. And, and they're going through, they also have to go through school and they have to go through the stresses of, you know, growing up as a kid, you know, growing up and, and, and maturing and all that stuff. And I just wanted to be a success story. I wanted to educate people that thought, that sounds pretty soft, dude, why don't you just take the court like. And it was, it, it wasn't like that. There were ultimately over the years, there have been tons of athletes now that have come out. If you speak about on the female side, Naomi Osaka is someone who's playing. I think she's playing tonight.

[B]

Yeah, she's dealt with a lot, right? Same thing.

[A]

Yeah, she's like dealt with a lot of, a lot of stuff and she didn't want to do press one time in the French Open and then she ended up pulling out of the tournament. She didn't want to be a bother to the tournament or whatever and like people thinking that she would just pull out because she didn't want to do press or like n. Or like Simone Biles. And I don't know Simone at all. I'm lucky to be friends with Naomi. She's sweetheart. I don't know Simone at all. And she not competing in the Olympics was a huge deal for like the 50 year old white guy like going like, yeah, you haven't done so tough. Yeah, exactly. Who's just like never stepped foot in the arena before and never, never understood it, but has an opinion. I was always thinking about that person where I'm like, okay, can maybe we can get someone that's like played a, you know, like a physical game to come out with something like this. And then Tyson Fury comes out and then Max Crosby comes out who's like, you know, defensive. Max Crosby, defensive end for the Las Vegas Raiders. Just a monster dude, like a badass.

[B]

I think he just signed in one of the biggest contract, if not the biggest contract for his position.

[A]

Awesome. Just intimidating looking. He's physical, he's strong, he's whatever. He's the opposite of soft. Tyson Fury is the. Was the heavyweight champion of the world that dealt with depression. Michael Phelps has been super open, and we've been really close about checking in with each other all the time. Just, how are you doing, dude? How are you doing? You know, that kind of thing. And there's a. So Kevin Love has been open about his stuff, and. And it sort of opened the floodgates for the kind of the male sports figure as well to go. Yeah, dude. Mental health is like a real thing. It can. It doesn't. It doesn't care what you do for a living. It doesn't care what your last name is or how good you are at something. It can. If you don't take care of it, it can take you out or take you down or worse, not want to be around anymore. And, and Robin Williams had that, like, you know, really famous quote where it's like, be kind. You know, it's like everybody's dealing with something. Be kind. And everyone is like, everyone is dealing. And it's like one of those things that it's. It says mental, and it's in your mind and whatever, but it's your brain. Your brain's part of your body. It's a chemical imbalance. Serotonin just empties in your brain, and you don't, you know, and you can't. You don't think straight. You don't have the right chemical balance in your system to deal with, you know, the. The stresses and rigors of life or whatever. And I wanted to be that. That. That sort of story that guys can lean on, guys and gals, girls, boys, young, old, parents, whatever, to show them this Netflix documentary instead of. Here's someone who was open about it, who was not shy in and in or not uncomfortable talking about how they felt, even though it may, you know, to some it may sound soft. And give them a blueprint of how. Of how to beat it or how I beat it, and how you can maybe learn from some of the skills that I learned to do it. And it was that. It was the success story and education of it, because, again, like, I didn't know what was going on 2012 when I was doing it. And now if you do go through it, I feel like you would know what's going on because people have talked about it, and you do have now tons of success stories to lean on. And when Netflix came, was like, okay, I need whoever's going to tell this story, I need to make sure they know something about tennis, because tennis is a hard game, and I need them that. To come across as, like. Like, it's a tough game to play. I also need someone who's. Who's directing this to understand mental health. It really matters to, like, have an issue, have had an issue possibly with mental health and. And understanding that sort of thing. And the way brothers Mack and Chap Way, who have had. Who've had a couple different documentaries that they've won Emmys for or been nominated for Emmys and stuff, did a phenomenal job of. Of bringing that, you know, of bringing it to light, how I felt, asking the right questions in the interviews and stuff like that. To be honest, I've never watched it. I haven't seen the. The thing. It's. I've started it like 12 times in, like, first two minutes. I can hear. I hear my own voice. I hear the sound of my own voice. Sounds like nails on chalkboard. I can't listen to that. And then it's like a really hard time in my life to relive, and I just. I can't. I just. I haven't been able to, like, click play on it and. And watch it. So I haven't actually never seen it. But everyone that watches it, it seems like the response is, you know, something to the effect of like, thank you, you know, or like.

[C]

Or.

[A]

Or, you know, thank you for, like, bringing, you know, bringing this to. Bringing this important thing to the masses or to a big, you know, a big place like Netflix. Right? Because that was. That was another big part of. It was like, man, Netflix in 2019 was the biggest streamer and really one of the only streamers that there was out there. And so everything that we watched was on Netflix. Everybody had a Netflix thing. So it was like, okay, Netflix is a big, big sort of program or channel to have it on. So what a. You know, this is a perfect way to sort of fully encapsulate the story. And I think it helped a lot of people. And I set out to help one person, right? Like one, two, three people. And that first day that it came out, not my direct messages on my Twitter were just like, just kept going and kept going. And it was overwhelming in an overwhelming response in a positive way. And I hope it helped you people.

[C]

It's an incredible story. Like, I appreciate you telling it because there's so much more that you just mentioned that you don't get on the documentary, which was. Which was phenomenally well done. I gotta. I gotta ask you another question. I gotta do a quick little ad rollback. I don't know if you ever wear any rollback, but it's phenomenal. Rollback's last question. Use the code [e-mail] for 20 off your first purchase through the end of the week. That's C H I C L E t s on R H O-B-A C-K.com code chicklets. So little bit change of topic, but old school hockey, the game has changed so much. You talk fitness, every. Everything, every sport changes in a similar way. But we had guys back in the day ripping it up at night. Then they're playing guilty. Like in tennis, where there's stories of old legends that would be like party animals and still playing. Or has it always been different because it's an individual sport?

[A]

I think there were some, like, back in like the 80s, like, vetus gitis was a really popular player. He was like, best friends with John McEnroe. Yeah. Venus G, he's an American guy, and he was a really good player. And it was like, he was like, really close with John McEnroe. And those guys had some like, you know, almost like, hey, we're gonna drink and do the exact same stuff and then see who wins, you know, that kind of thing. So, yes, like, fitness was not. Not. Honestly, fitness wasn't a huge part of tennis until Jim Courier came around in the early 90s and like, just like, became this guy that. That. That could. Could play forever, could play on clay, was a bulldog, that whole thing before that, it was like a party sport. It was like, you get to travel around the world and the points, like, you know, points were pretty quick courts, the grass courts weren't very good grass courts. And so they'd bounce all weird ways and come to the ed. He'd hit one serve, one volley, and the points over and you go on. There used to be a guy. There used to be a German guy who was like. Who would like, smoke cigarettes on the changeover. Yeah, yeah, he. He smoked cigarettes in, you know, like playing like in Florida in. In like July, and he's like, smoking heaters on the. On the side, on the changeovers. So, yeah, there's some. There's. There was a good story, honestly, Agassi, and I'm sure he'll come out. Andre will come out with it a little bit in his. In his documentary. But the final, the. The night before he played the final of the French Open. Brad Gilbert tells his story where he was like, down drinking or whatever the night was, the night before the final, 1999. And they had to like, get his. Get his trainer to come down and like, pull him out, pull him off of like, the. The piano bar or whatever to go, you know, to go to bed so he could play the final the next day. And if you watch that final, it makes perfect sense because he lost the first two sets badly. They had a rain delay and he got like an hour and a half or two hours in the rain delay. He took a nap and all that stuff. Came back in one. In three sets. Get the.

[D]

Out of here.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

And. And competed. Competed, completed his. The Grand Slam. Like, if he. Otherwise he had never. He. He hadn't won the French Open. So he's like. So I don't know if he was so nervous or whatever of. Of not of not playing or of. Of, you know, maybe winning the Grand Slam and competing. Completing the Grand Slam. Yeah, he. He did that and, and ended up winning.

[B]

And then that's what I'm saying Tommy Fleetwood should have done, because he'd already.

[D]

He always kept.

[B]

I was like, he's got a goal for a few Guinness the night before that FedEx final.

[A]

And he. Maybe he did. Maybe he did. Yeah. And then Andre Steffi Graf won the. Won the women's that year. And that was the year they met. And now they're. Now they have three kids and. And. Or two kids and live together. Together now for a long time. So. Yeah.

[C]

Are tennis parents a nightmare? Like, at the young age, you see some lunatic. You must see lunatics.

[A]

I'm really. I've been incredibly lucky with my parents. My father loved tennis and sort of pushed me towards tennis maybe a little more than I wanted to, but, I mean, in a, you know, in a good way. There's some, you know, 12 and under 12 and under kids would. Would, you know, the cheating and stuff on the court, they would call balls in and out, you know, just crazy. But then their parent, you know, their parents, if they lost, they would throw them in like a hot bath or something like that, like scolding hot water because they tell. Let them know that they. They're not allowed to lose to that kid or whatever. Yeah.

[B]

Jesus.

[A]

Tennis parents. I will put tennis parents up with any parents of any sport in the crazies in the crazy category.

[B]

Marty, we can't thank you enough for. For coming on and talking about all this. It's a. It's an unreal message. And I guess my last one quickly would just be like, are, are you at peace about all that now? Because you were able to release that documentary and, you know, I, I guess I get, get it off your chest and, and maybe not feel bad about not being able to compete in that moment.

[A]

I don't think about that part of it because I really, I, I. There's a couple things where it's like, there were some people that were in my life at the time that still are, but they were in my life at the time that, like, truly saved my life. Like, I don't think if my wife was there, my father, my parents obviously very close with my dad. Like, if they, like my trainer, if Christian, like, if he wasn't, if they weren't around, and if it was just me, me, like, I don't know, I think I'd be in a ditch somewhere. Like, I just, I, I don't think I would be able to handle it for very much longer. They were such a great support system. The, the, One of the, one of, if not the most important thing in mental health is a support system. If you have a support system and you're open and honest with them and vulnerable with loved ones or people that you love or people that care about you, that's all the, all that you need. And then obviously therapy, finding the right psychiatrist, even medication if you want that or like, that you can go that route or not. I did, but, yeah, it's like, I want to do more biz. Like, I, like there's, there aren't a, a ton of people still that are like, outwardly talking about mental health and going around and like, I love doing. Speaking stuff, stuff for it. I love telling my story because it just people, it resonates with people. People understand it and people are like, I feel that sometimes too. And I'd be surprised if everyone isn't dealing with something that they're holding in or that they don't want to talk about or whatever. So I'd like, my one message would be like, just be vulnerable. Like, be open with people that you love and people that love you because they'll do anything for you. And that's why you, that's why you kind of, you try and like, remove the people that don't. Like, I know everybody wants to have, like, tons of friends and stuff like that, but it's like, like, the true ones are the ones that you can be vulnerable with and open and honest with, and that's the most important thing in mental health.

[C]

Very well. Said, man, I. I appreciate you coming on telling the story. The, the documentary came out incredible. Anyone check it out. If you haven't seen. I think it's from three, four years ago, but Untold.

[D]

Untold Point.

[A]

Yeah, the Untold series. They had a lot, a lot of cool stuff in that as well. And ours, you know, was one of the first ones out of there. And Netflix did a, you know, did a great job. I'm super thankful to them to. They still have it on there. Party.

[B]

You're the man, buddy. Thank you so much. And hopefully we can get on the golf course sometime.

[A]

Yes. Let's go, Biz. I'm coming to Scottsdale in December, so.

[C]

You need to help Biz. He's. His backswing, it goes to his knee.

[A]

Yeah, we can do that.

[C]

Yeah. Tight. He said tight. The other way.

[A]

Like, way back.

[B]

No, no, no, no.

[C]

Makes John Rom look like John Daly.

[E]

It's like to here.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[E]

Okay, okay, I get that.

[B]

That's a good comparison. That's a good.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And Whit says he could beat me in tennis, so I might need a few lessons in that.

[D]

So I go forward with him.

[A]

We needle ball, something like that, you know.

[D]

Oh, I love it.

[C]

Get out, Marty.

[A]

All right, boys.

[D]

Yeah, I really appreciate it.

[A]

Thanks for having me.

[C]

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[D]

Check.

[C]

G, put it up.

[F]

Summer Skate. It's called Summer Skate. He wrote it with Leslie Cohen.

[C]

It's a.

[A]

It's a hit.

[F]

It's a movie.

[C]

Summer Skate. Yeah, I think the women will like it. It's. You know, it's got some stuff in there. It's good. Some.

[E]

It's like a smut.

[C]

Yeah, a little. Some. Some smut in there about a Rangers player living in the Hamptons, meeting some women. So Avery, great job with that one. I want to, I want to shout out. Kind of a sad note finding out that Ken Dryden passed away an all time legend in the game of hockey. Was out of the game pretty quick. Like didn't have a super long career. He talk about a well rounded person. Like this guy, I never knew that he was originally drafted by the Bruins and then was traded to the Canadians or his rights were traded to the Canadians. He never found that out. He was told by his agent he was drafted by the Canadians. Never even knew he was drafted by the Bruins. Ruins till the mid-70s. That's according to Wikipedia. I was like reading up on him and I'd known about Ken Dryden, but Cornell, Big Redmer dominated there. You knew that.

[F]

Yeah, my. I remember my father and my uncle would go to the RPI games and always talked about him. I found his record. It was 76. Four and one in three years at Cornell. Only one championship, 1967, which is surprising. He didn't win all three.

[C]

76 and four.

[E]

One of the most iconic photos in NHL history. How he used to sit on his stick too. Like how he would do that. And he came in as a rookie and won right away. Right? Like right out of college or something.

[F]

Yeah, yeah, I think he did the same. Like, well, Patrick wa did the same as him. Yes, they both came as. They're not even rookie years. They win the cup and then the next year I think they were rookies of the Year.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Which is just insane. Insane.

[C]

Yeah, he was still. No, I think dry.

[A]

Did.

[C]

Did Patrick Walkett Rookie of the Year too. I thought he was the only person to ever win the Con Smythe and then Rookie of the year the following season.

[F]

I mean, yeah, maybe, maybe Patrick didn't then, but I just know they won the cup when they weren't even really on the team the whole year.

[E]

Yeah, it's crazy.

[C]

Yeah. March 14, 1971, against the Penguins in Pittsburgh. Came in one, then was in the minor spit, called back up, named the starter, won the con Smart. Then he won another cup at 73, 76, 77, 78, 79. So we got four in a row at that in that stretch. Six overall. I mean he also like was a part of the. The summit series, the 1972 summit series, then later wrote a book on that. He wrote some other books too, that I remember one of them, the Game, I believe it was called. Yes, the game. In 1983. He wrote another one, Home Game Hockey and Life in Canada in 1990, written with Roy McGregor. But he also. The other thing I forgot is he was on the call of the 1980 Miracle on Ice. He was doing the color with Al Michaels.

[D]

Really.

[C]

I mean he'd want to Stanley cup the year prior. When you listen to that broadcast, he's so well spoken like you would never guess. This guy just played in the NHL for 10 years, won six stand the Cubs. It sounded like just a legendary person. I believe G got into politics at one point.

[D]

Yeah, it's.

[F]

It's actually pretty crazy. So after this is.

[A]

This is AI, of course, because that's.

[F]

Where I get all my facts. But after an acclaimed career as an NHL goaltender and tenure of president of the Toronto Maple Leafs, he entered into politics where he ran for the Liberal Party of Canada in Toronto, riding of the York center in the 2004 federal election, and he won one handedly. He remained in politics until 2013, which is a long time for him to be in politics.

[C]

Probably got out at the right time too, I'd say.

[F]

Yes, yes.

[C]

Seems like he was somewhat normal until.

[E]

Around let Rob Ford handle it from here.

[F]

I mean it's. It's just so crazy to go from being a Hall of Fame goaltender to then being the Minister of social development from 2004. Like that's. That's insane.

[C]

Jesse Ventura, he wrote also his fifth book in school. Our kids, our teachers, our classrooms, 1995. All about like I think, yeah, Canada's educational system. Just like talk about being well rounded. Like I Mentioned before. Oh, actually, Keith and I. Here is the picture of this. There's a statue of him with that pose you're talking about, just. Just leaning on his stick. That's in St. Laurent, Quebec. Is that Montreal? St. Laurent. All right. Biz would say that with a cool accent, so, you know, thoughts and prayers to Ken Dryden's family. Died of cancer at the age of 78. Fucking brutal. But what an amazing person he was. And. And I. Yeah, I think most people say one of the best goalies of all time. Number 29. Retired by the franchise in 2007. Hockey hall of Fame in 83. One of the hundred greatest hockey players in 1998. Ontario Sports hall of Fame, Order of Hockey in Canada. Honorary doctoral degrees from several universities, including British Columbia, York University of Windsor, University of Ottawa, Ryerson University, McGill University, University of Winnipeg, and I'm guessing, if it was still in business, probably where Biz went to school. What's the name of that place he always.

[F]

Davenport.

[E]

Davenport U. Yeah, yeah.

[F]

It goes Harvard, Davenport, Cornell.

[D]

Is.

[F]

Is the rankings, I think.

[C]

Right. You're right. So.

[F]

But speaking of those, Ken Dryden, he does have an award named after him. The best league. You know what the best league in college hockey is? G. Right.

[A]

Of course.

[F]

The ecac. The best goalie award every year is the Ken Dryden Award. There's a little.

[E]

How come he only played 10 years? Not that 10 years isn't a lot, I think.

[C]

I'm pretty sure with all, like, he was so smart and so into other things that he was like, I'm done. Like, I. I have other passions in life. This is me kind of guessing, but also, it's like, education, educating guests.

[E]

Holy.

[C]

I'm not gonna be writing any books, guys, or getting into politics or doing anything with doctoral degrees, but I think maybe, like, I won six cups. I've done everything. I'm already a Hall of Famer. I'm gonna move on to all these other things he did. Writing. Jesus.

[F]

I think the craziest Ken Dryden.

[A]

Stat.

[F]

Is In 2021, 2022, the Canadiens lost 60 games in Ken Dryden's entire career. Seven games.

[C]

Seven games in regulation. In his career.

[F]

In his career.

[C]

What? And the Bruins. The Bruins had him. All right, guys, with that, we're getting ready for camp. We're getting ready.

[E]

Little shout out to a big super fan for the. For the Panthers passed away. Steve Alario. I don't know if you guys ever remember going to a game and they. They show him every game, like, after a goal, because he Looks like Ric Flair and everybody does the woo.

[C]

I saw a tweet about this.

[E]

Yes, I saw he passed away. So, I mean, you know how it is in, like, smaller market teams. Like, we used to see him at lunch all the time. He'd came to all the events and stuff. Just an unbelievable guy. So I just wanted to give him and his family a quick shout out and just a true fan. Always stuck by the team, even when we were dog. So glad you got to see a couple Cups and, you know, live a great life. He was a super, super nice man. So if anyone in his family's listening, we're thinking of you guys.

[C]

No doubt. No doubt. Merles, I know it's late. I can't wait to have you back on east coast time, buddy. And not far at all from Bost. Come down.

[F]

I can't wait. I just got my train tonight. I already. I've had my flight for a couple weeks, but I'm excited to get to Boston. It's. It's coming up. It's next week. I. I'm trying to get in shape. I'm out here running, you know, my team. I got moved up to Roller C. Oh. Cause we won Roller D last year. So we got moved up to Roller C. We just had a. We just had a guy pull out on us. So we're in negotiations with Army. We might grab army to our team. So look out for the Upstate Stars in Roller C. I've been trying to talk to the commissioner of the, the, the event. You know, you think he would have some poll. I'm like, can you make sure Upstate Stars don't play when the Stranglers play? The big deal selects Domrels can't control that stuff.

[E]

I'm like, dude, the guy's running the tournament.

[C]

Thousand percent.

[A]

You're gonna be playing the whole tournament.

[C]

You're gonna be playing in front of one girl that's there watching her husband in Roller C. And there's going to be 1500 people packed around the boards of the Stranglers versus the Big Deal Select. See, that's Moles's luck right there. So thank you, everyone, for tuning in. We'll be back to you next week. And I'm still going to say any day now, you could see Connor McDavid signs to your extension with Edmonton Oilers. I'm still keeping that. That hope alive. But we'll see what the next few weeks bring and the madness that will ensue for that team if training camp starts or the regular season starts and.

[E]

He'S not signed, so expect a call from my dad. Wed I want to raise. So he's gonna. He's gonna give you a shout here in the next couple days or. Or you'll see it on a podcast.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Or you're going.

[F]

He's got friends at game notes too.

[C]

Shout out. All you guys listening. Love you guys.

[F]

Let's go, Buffalo.

[A]

The goal.