Spittin' Chiclets Episode 583: Featuring Sean Avery

Summary

Spittin’ Chiclets Episode 583: Featuring Sean Avery

Date: September 23, 2025
Hosts: Ryan Whitney, Paul Bissonnette (Biz Nasty), Keith Yandle, Rear Admiral, Producer Mike Grinnell
Guest: Sean Avery

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Episode Overview

Episode 583 sees the Chiclets crew at their energetic best as they preview the Chiclets Cup, discuss NHL pre-season stories, and welcome back one of their most notorious guests, Sean Avery. This week, Avery joins to discuss hockey’s evolution, scouting, writing a spicy romance novel, and his burgeoning career in Hollywood. There's a recurring focus on team building, the importance of scouting, player development, cap management, and the shifting landscape of both the league and its culture. The trademark comedic banter, hot takes, and outrageous storytelling are all on display.

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Key Topics & Discussion Points

1. Chiclets Cup & Crew Antics

[02:28–24:00]

• Chiclets Cup Hype: With the Cup around the corner, the episode kicks off with playful trash talk between the hosts’ teams ("Big Deal Selects" vs. "Boston Stranglers"). Captaincy news: Con Man replaces Terry Ryan (TR) as Big Deal Selects' skipper.
• Event Details: Parties, locations, and a big Friday match at 4:45 PM at Harpoon Brewery are announced.
• Roster Moves & Insider Jokes: The hosts debate bringing in "ringer" players and reminisce about legendary stories from previous Cups. Heated banter about team loyalty and player poaching is rampant.

Quote [14:44, Keith Yandle]: "I have some breaking news as far as the Big Deal Selects too...Terry Ryan won't be able to be there on Friday and Saturday, but he's coming really big...So we're actually handing over the captaincy to Con Man."

• Classic Chiclets Trash Talk: Keith calls out Whit for recruiting "Nose Face Killer." The segment is laced with inside jokes and playful threats between teams.

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2. Barstool Ryder Cup Debacle

[25:00–34:00]

• Whitney's Struggles: Whitney owns up to his embarrassing golf performance as Barstool Ryder Cup captain, acknowledging viral flubs and roasting videos from Portnoy. He discusses the volatility of golf, Internet shame, and his plan to rebound.

Quote [27:14, Keith Yandle]: "I’ve been sold a bill of goods that he was this great, great golfer...I’d be beating Whitney."

• Team Selection Regrets: Debate over drafting Kirk Minahan and missing out on Francis, who ended up dominating.

Quote [29:02, Ryan Whitney]: "If his handicaps are six, he’s a great six. He could be like, a four right now."

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3. NHL News: Contracts, Young Stars & Team Dynamics

[37:58–66:06]

• Islanders’ Prospect Hype: Praise for Matthew Schaefer's preseason dominance; skepticism about relying on preseason form.
• Unsigned Talent: Discussion on why big names like Bedard, Eichel, McDavid, and prospects like Lane Hudson and Mason McTavish haven’t inked new deals. The debate touches on expansion of the young talent pool and the risks of "bridging" players.

Quote [41:30, Keith Yandle]: "The jump in the cap...It's such a young man's league where they just pigeon toss you the minute you hit fucking 26 years old. It's nuts."

• Mason McTavish Contract Drama: The Ducks' negotiations are scrutinized, with concern for player readiness and management’s efforts to set franchise precedents.

Quote [63:36, Biz Nasty]: "Two million a year there isn't...I feel like why is he in Ottawa? Like that should be able to get done in my mind."

• Comparables & Precedents: Referencing other bridge deals and slow starts for players who miss camp (Nylander, Zegras).

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4. Leadership, Legacy & the LA Kings

[66:23–56:54]

• Anze Kopitar Announces Retirement: Tributes to Kopitar’s immense two-way legacy and his place in Kings and NHL history. Commentary on whether more should be made of his longevity and leadership.

Quote [49:42, Keith Yandle]: "Just the consummate pro and the greatest example of what you would want a hockey player to be...he deserves his own big one right in front of that building."

• Adrian Kempe’s Big Pay Day: Speculation over Kempe’s next contract—possibly in the $11–12 million/year range—and credit to LA’s developmental pipeline.

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5. Scouting, Development, and Cap Realities—Sean Avery’s Appearance

[88:50–121:14]

Key Points from the Interview

• State Tax Cap Loophole: Avery and the crew revisit the controversy over Florida (and similar states) offering a circumvention advantage via no state tax.

Quote [89:09, Sean Avery]: "Did Brad Marchand go on the record and say Florida and the state of Florida and the Florida Panthers are a team that circumvents the cap via no state tax?"

• Modern Roster Building: Avery stresses the necessity of scouting, drafting, and player development over free agency, echoing Shanny’s insights:

Quote [93:04, Sean Avery]: "If you’re not building through the draft, then you’re a loser. You’re a sucker. Chasing free agents, chasing those dollars. It’s a loser game."

• Camp and Competition: Reminiscing about the fierce competition for roster spots in past NHL training camps versus today’s more predetermined lineups.

• Old School vs. New School: A recurring lament on the lack of accountability and gritty play in today’s NHL, especially among bottom-six players.

Quote [104:34, Sean Avery]: "Play one way while you’re developing. Don’t try to do too much. I need bottom six guys to just wear the other team’s D out."

• Scouting Critique: Avery rails against low-paid, uninspired scouts and calls for greater investment in ex-player scouts who "know what a dog is."

• Toronto & Pittsburgh Hot Takes: Avery questions Dubas letting Gensel walk and roasts the "core four" mythology in Toronto:

Quote [119:03, Sean Avery]: "When you really dissect what he did, I mean, my good God, he got… Leaf fans are unbelievable."

• Austin Matthews' Next Gear: Avery and Biz clash on whether Matthews has that "it factor" to win a Cup.

Quote [119:44, Sean Avery]: "If there’s a guy right now in the league that I say that might not have the next gear to win, he might be at the top of my list."

Avery as Author & Hollywood Actor

• Summer Skateboard: Avery details his experience co-writing a risqué hockey romance novel—replete with on-ice and off-ice escapades—and the booming subgenre of "hockey romance." The audiobook features alternating perspectives from both leads, and Avery voices the male character.

Quote [128:43, Sean Avery]: "I think there’s some ass eating on the side of the road at a farm stand in the Hamptons."

• Inside Anecdotes: Avery shares book inspirations from his own career and relationships, as well as praise for Fish and inside looks at his acting gigs, notably working with Christopher Nolan on an upcoming adaptation of "The Odyssey."

Quote [135:34, Sean Avery]: "This is going to be a big one for Me, now it’s game over now. Now I’m going to win a Golden Globe. I’m going to win an Academy Award."

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6. Other Notables & End-of-Show

[154:58–Ending]

• Florida Panthers Update: Matthew Tkachuk out until December after surgery, but optimism about his leadership and eventual return.
• Rasmus Dahlin's Wife Medical Scare: Emotional story recounted regarding her brush with death and miraculous recovery.
• Tributes: Strong words of respect for Bernie Parent and the Wiseblatt family after recent tragedies, with hosts reflecting on legacy, friendship, and the importance of living in the moment.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• [08:14, Keith Yandle]: "I think I got the wooden spoon a couple times from Yolande...she was like, up to here with me."
• [22:29, Ryan Whitney]: "I’ve turned into a meme in more ways than one."
• [53:57, Biz Nasty]: "NHL is not a development league."
• [99:34, Sean Avery]: "I’m just really disappointed...these fuckin‘ guys better come out and play serious hockey. Panari needs to redeem himself."
• [104:34, Sean Avery]: "Play one way while you’re developing. And don’t fuckin‘ try and do too much..."
• [135:34, Sean Avery]: "Now I’m hunting. Now I’m gonna do it. I’m gonna win a Golden Globe. I’m gonna win an Academy Award."
• [162:13, Ryan Whitney]: "Every single day. Live in the moment, guys...Appreciate what you got."

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• [02:28] – Chiclets Cup banter, rosters, event preview
• [25:00] – Barstool Ryder Cup recap & roast
• [37:58] – NHL preseason (Prospects, contracts, unsigned stars)
• [49:42] – Tributes to Kopitar, Kempe contract speculation
• [88:50] – Sean Avery joins: cap talk, scouting, old-school vs. new-school
• [121:49] – Avery’s romance novel discussion
• [135:34] – Hollywood stories: working on "The Odyssey"
• [154:58] – Tkachuk/Panthers update, health scares, tributes

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Conclusion

Episode 583 is a tour-de-force in classic Spittin’ Chiclets style, blending hockey behind-the-scenes insight with irreverent humor, a dose of off-beat romance novel chatter, and heartfelt moments. Sean Avery's interview is loaded with uncensored opinions and colorful storytelling, doing justice to his status as one of hockey’s most memorable characters. The hosts' camaraderie and competitive banter set the tone for the looming Chiclets Cup, and broader conversations around team construction, hockey culture, and leadership make this episode a must-listen for fans seeking more than just stats.

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For those who haven’t listened:
Expect wild stories, passionate debate, a blend of nostalgia and cutting-edge analysis, and a candid, occasionally raunchy, always entertaining view of the hockey world—both on and off the ice.

Transcript

[Ryan Whitney]

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[Biz Nasty]

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[Keith Yandle]

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[Biz Nasty]

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[Ryan Whitney]

Our white whale, Sydney Crosby. Shave his head. Shave his head. Shave his head. Ryan Whitney. Paul Vincent. R.A. mike Grinelli. Spittin Chicklets. What is up folks? Welcome to episode 583. We're getting up there, boys. I think we've talked about a thousand episodes. Someday Biz. You and I didn't sniff a thousand games in the NHL combined. Our boy Keith, he did it with ease. But welcome to Spitting Chicklets. Camp has begun. Guys. Hockey season is right around the corner. But you know what's always with us? Pink Whitney and the days of Pink Whitney in warm weather and then in the fall weather and then in the cold weather. And Keith, he grabs the bottle. Boom. That's the normal size bottle. We got the little Mickeys, we got the little nips, we got the big old bottles and we got Chiclets cup coming up, boys. And every Chiclets cup and we got a sandbagger coming up. I don't know if we can mention who it's with, but always at sandbaggers and Chiclets cup. The Pink Whitney's flowing. It gets you loose, it gets you happy. It gets you just enjoying your time with all your buddies, playing roller hockey, street hockey, golf, going to a tailgate, going to an NFL game. It doesn't matter. Pink Whitney is always there. It's always there for you, for us, for everyone. And we appreciate everyone who's out there buying it, drinking it, enjoying it. I just love the fact that we get to start off every episode talking about Pink Whitney and our wonderful, amazing flavored vodka. Pink lemonade flavored vodka.

[Keith Yandle]

What a fucking intro. Witty high. Stepping out of the gate.

[Ryan Whitney]

You should Be playing at Chiclets Cup 9am Monday morning. And biz. It's the week of Chiclets Cup. It's the week that every single year you. You guys show up and just fucking stink. Every single Chicklets cup year I was leading in. This is the year the big deal selects. Do it. And now I. I don't care about you. I love the guys on your team. Great people. I can't wait to see Pender. I can't wait to see Con man. I can't wait to see tr.

[Keith Yandle]

This is what we needed.

[Ryan Whitney]

And then I can't wait to see.

[Biz Nasty]

Stranglers frolicking around with the Big deal shit bag. I am gonna snap, so get it out of here. Now that you want.

[Ryan Whitney]

You don't want me. You don't want me hanging out with the boys. Maybe getting one of them so crippled they give me a team secret.

[Biz Nasty]

Oh, what's their secret? Let in more goals than the other.

[Ryan Whitney]

Team, by the way. The.

[Keith Yandle]

What if he gets locked in a conversation with Senior that might be like 90 minutes. Like he might miss the whole fucking game.

[Biz Nasty]

That's what I'm saying.

[Ryan Whitney]

Verbal headlock. But you know, I'm asking to hear the story. The. The story again about the agent. And you know, you know that his one story.

[Keith Yandle]

Bring your lawyer.

[Ryan Whitney]

Don't.

[Keith Yandle]

Don't bring your lawyer.

[Ryan Whitney]

Ah, there's not many people who could tell me the same story. And every time I hear it, I'm even more invested in enjoying it than the first 1600 times I heard it. But Terry Senior, you know what? I. Listen, I. I want to smash you guys. Keith's team. Like I'm a Boston guy. I'm a Boston Strangler. And the Big Deal selects have been kind to me. But you guys can't get over the hump. And some people may not want to hear it, but we're the boss.

[Keith Yandle]

Mitchie Marner couldn't. Couldn't win it with the Big Deal Select. So you mosey on over to the Boston Stranglers. You're the. You're Mitchie Marner of the podcast.

[Ryan Whitney]

No. I signed for 100 million. I look great. My golf swing's awesome. Oh, shucks, What a shitty life.

[Keith Yandle]

I'm Mitch Marner.

[Ryan Whitney]

Oh, no. I got made fun of by a couple people in Toronto. But now I live in Vegas in a mansion. And I'm loaded and I'm nasty at hockey and I'm playing with Eichel and Mark Stone. Damn.

[Keith Yandle]

But I gotta ask you a question. Whit. We.

[Ryan Whitney]

Go ahead. Biz. Anything you got?

[Keith Yandle]

I didn't think we were gonna have you. I thought you were gonna be beheaded at your household. You had parrot teacher conferences that you set up this morning. But then all of a sudden you, you, you couldn't go to him because we changed the time of the podcast because I have to go to Chris Chelos charity golf tournament. So thank you for, for changing up the time of the pod. How did that work out? And, and why exactly are they having parent teacher conferences when the kids like literally just started school?

[Ryan Whitney]

I don't know. I think it's. Yeah, I guess it's. Well, Ryder's at a new school and he's kind of starting off things and, and we're trying to get a game plan for the year and I don't mind, you know, figuring out and seeing how things have gone in the first, what is it, three weeks of school? Roughly three, four weeks of school. So yeah, I mean to, to turn down times that my wife set up, I think two or three different ones. And then saying, you know what, Monday, September 22nd at 10:00am will be perfect. I'm ready to go. And then last night at about 9:30pm to get the text, hey, reminder Chiklis is at 9:00am tomorrow. And then me going, you know, thank God that's one of those instances and everyone knows what I'm talking about. That my father in law and my brother in law were over Bree's dad brother. We're all watching football. So very, very, very lucky that they were there. As I told her the news. Listen, that's not going to work because she couldn't really explode on me, right? Because she's got, she had to play it cool, calm and collected. But I got a look that could have just, that could have killed a man. You know, those looks. And she was over the sink doing dishes and I was on the couch laying down and that look, no, let me finish. It was Medusa. And I, and I looked and I saw the look and I gave the scared look back and I was like, I'll finish the ditches. And you know, but you know what I did?

[Keith Yandle]

I'm getting a divorce and don't bring your lawyer.

[Ryan Whitney]

I took control and I emailed the teacher and I set up a meeting for next Monday. So I, you, I, you know, that's, that's being a man, guys.

[Keith Yandle]

That's being a leader.

[Biz Nasty]

It actually being a leader because imagine our dads doing this. Imagine our dads going to a parent teacher conference. It didn't happen.

[Keith Yandle]

We are all I remember about my.

[Ryan Whitney]

Dad with parent teacher conferences is like, don't tell dad. Don't tell dad. Don't tell Dad. I specifically remember a phone call one time. 78 Vernon Road, Citrup, Massachusetts. And I'm sitting there in, like, kind of the living room off the kitchen, and the phone rings, and my mom picks it up and she's like, oh, hey, Mrs. Conley.

[Keith Yandle]

Oh, fuck.

[Ryan Whitney]

What?

[Keith Yandle]

Burnt out the door.

[Ryan Whitney]

What? Are you kidding me?

[Keith Yandle]

See you never.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah, I'm looking at him right now, and I was like, no, no. And she hung up the phone and gave me the business. And I just. Please don't tell dad. And I'm telling your father. Don't you worry. Don't you even ask me not to tell your father.

[Keith Yandle]

Oh, no.

[Ryan Whitney]

And I sat there for the next six hours till. Till he got home from work, scared to bejesus. But you know what? Sometimes young kids need to be held accountable. You need to be held accountable for your actions. Have not stopped talking. When the teacher tells you to stop talking.

[Keith Yandle]

Would you get a spanking?

[Ryan Whitney]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Keith Yandle]

I got a few.

[Ryan Whitney]

You got a spanking?

[Keith Yandle]

I got a few. I got a belt one time.

[Ryan Whitney]

Oh, you got the belt. Where did the belt hit you? Right the butt cheek, right in the arse.

[Keith Yandle]

My dad cried after.

[Ryan Whitney]

Your dad and Adrian Peterson connected for life. Just whipping poor ball, isn't it?

[Biz Nasty]

The switch, right? Isn't that what they called it?

[Ryan Whitney]

Oh, God. But you know. Yeah, I made. I made.

[Keith Yandle]

We live. We grew up at different times. Like, I don't. Like, I'm not saying you. Like, I'm not saying kids should be getting the belt, but I probably earned it, and I did.

[Ryan Whitney]

You definitely.

[Keith Yandle]

I think I got the wooden spoon a couple times from Yolande. Like, she. She was like, up to here. Up to here with me. So.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah, I mean, I.

[Keith Yandle]

Don't you ever get a spanking, Yance?

[Biz Nasty]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. My mom was ged up. She had a yard stick. It was like this thick, like a yardstick, you know, And. And she would grab that and. But the. The worst thing of all was what Whit said. I'm gonna tell your father. And every time you knew he was going to be driving home in traffic, pissed off when he gets home, and you're like, oh, no, please, please, no. But it always got back to him. And you couldn't hide it. Especially nowadays, the communication with teachers is probably a lot easier. Like back in the day, you could, like, shut your phone off or take it off the Hook if you knew they were gonna call. But nowadays there's no hide the power line. Yeah, exactly. Just go outside and just completely.

[Keith Yandle]

I was more nervous about my mom finding out.

[Biz Nasty]

Were you?

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah.

[Ryan Whitney]

That was not the case in my household. That was not the case. Yeah.

[Keith Yandle]

Your lawn would. When the wires would cross all really just.

[Ryan Whitney]

Oh, yeah. She's so sweet and soft spoken.

[Keith Yandle]

She's the best picture. She's the best. But she like, she, she's probably just stressed because she was all like, no offense to my dad. Like, my dad worked at the steel mill, right? Like, he had a great job. He worked his fucking dick off his whole life to put skates on my feet. My mother took a little bit more on maybe mentally like with like college professor. She wrote books. So, you know, she was kind of the disciplinarian. So she probably had a little bit more stress on her plate. So like I said, when the wires would cross. Oh, Yoland.

[Ryan Whitney]

And I don't. I think there's a part.

[Keith Yandle]

She'd go straight Aunt Jemima on me. Bring out the spoon and you. Whoops, whoosh.

[Ryan Whitney]

She'd pour maple syrup on you first. Like, what do you mean? Aunt Jemima beater Kids with a spoon.

[Keith Yandle]

No, I, I think I feel like my mom kind of looks like her a little bit. I don't know. I just thought, yeah. For those of you who don't know, my mom's half black. She's got that, you know, that light skin. But maybe, maybe that was a horrible example that I'm going to get fucking shredded for. But thanks for keeping me just like my parents went. Thanks for keeping me honest.

[Ryan Whitney]

Exactly. Held accountable. And I want to shout out my dad, big Dan Whitney. He's telling me last week on Monday, no, we were hanging out Sunday and he's like, I got a Tuesday morning. I got the season long championship situate country club where you and a partner, you know, you play matches all year, right? I think you got to win five matches to get to the final. And he's all excited. Tuesday they're in the final, him and his buddy. And my mom calls me Monday morning, 7am, dad's in the hospital. He had to get rushed to the hospital. He literally was in the kitchen and all of a sudden keeled over. Like his stomach, like couldn't move. He's got a high, high pain tolerance. Big damn Whitney. And he had a perforated ulcer. It was like a hole in his stomach. Rushed into the hospital, they ended up next day having to remove his gallbladder. He. He had this tube up his nose, down into his stomach. Hasn't been able to eat or drink even water since Monday. He's doing better now, but God. And then I said, oh no, he's got the match tomorrow. Like, you know, that's where my mind goes. And I felt horrible, but he's doing better. But show up.

[Keith Yandle]

What's an ulcer? Didn't G have one of those not to remember mine.

[Ryan Whitney]

Remember mine, dude. After my wife got one. Sympathy symptoms. That's what happens when you really love a woman. You know, you just, you, you feel their pain and you take their pain in. Now I probably act when I have a head cold similar to how she did giving birth. All natural in our house, but still, it just sucks to see a family member hurt. And so the tubes out of big dad's nose, he's out of the hospital. It's great to see him yesterday.

[Keith Yandle]

But you know, whether it's a hangnail or giving birth, you know, it's the same type of sympathy you want out.

[Ryan Whitney]

Of a loved one 100%. And because I do have to go back to speaking of getting dummied in arguments, the, the way that you tried to. To say it was so bad that Yan's has a member of the stranglers bringing his wife or girlfriend to the thing and then for me to just get right back at you in real time like NHL champions, they. They fly the wives in for the cup like it was just. I just owned you there. I just owned you. So I just want to remind you that going into Chiclet's cup, it was nice to beat you off the get go with the argument about family members supporting loved ones.

[Keith Yandle]

I got nothing.

[G]

But after a little research, guys too, we did remember that Terry Ryan has flown in a girl for like the past three Chiclets cups as well, so.

[Ryan Whitney]

Three different girls, I'm assuming.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah, but she's, she's for the squad though. That's the difference. It's. It's like future. It's like, I did it for you. It's like. No, you did it for us.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah. Oh my God.

[Keith Yandle]

Have you seen that clip?

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah.

[Biz Nasty]

Oh yeah.

[Keith Yandle]

Oh yeah. Future. Future.

[Ryan Whitney]

One of a kind for Chiclets party. I do want to announce some party details. Chiclets Cup Thursday night, Harpoon Brewery. That should be an absolute blast. Welcome party for all the participants. Can't wait. That's going to be great. That's where the tournament's going to be held. Everyone will get to see what's going on. There. Friday night, big party at Park City and Southie. Keith and myself's friend Mike Shaw owns this beautiful new spot. Amazing outdoor facility. Big party there Saturday at the Harpoon Brewery all day. And the cup parties are at the Greatest bar. G's family owns the Greatest Bar. We had a great little shindig before the Four nations final there. Amazing little spot. So we're all over the city this weekend.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah. Ryan's guest will be doing a dildo show on the fourth floor of the Greatest Bar on Saturday.

[Biz Nasty]

Really?

[Ryan Whitney]

That's not the first one to happen there, I don't think. No, I don't.

[Keith Yandle]

Oh, oh. Greatest bar gets greasy.

[Ryan Whitney]

Oh, gee. Would you describe the Greatest bar as getting greasy at times?

[Keith Yandle]

What's the greasiest floor?

[G]

Oh, second, I'd say the bathroom on two. Private bathroom. I'd say that gets the greasiest.

[Ryan Whitney]

Oh, yeah.

[G]

It's a solo stall.

[Ryan Whitney]

Jesus. Yeah. Okay, well, everyone's welcome. And the big announcement that I've had a lot of texts about the big deal selects versus the Boston Stranglers, 4:45pm on Friday. Let's go.

[Keith Yandle]

That's a thunderstorm too.

[Ryan Whitney]

Well, no, I looked. So Wednesday, Thursday doesn't look great. Friday, Saturday now is turning into what looks like a 70 degrees and sunny. So you get out of work, maybe you kind of bang out at 4 o' clock on Friday, 3:30, you shoot on over to Hartburn Brewery, have some pink Whitney, have some beers, and then you sit down and get ready for what should be an absolute war on the court. War on the court.

[Keith Yandle]

I have some breaking news as far as the Big Deal Selects too.

[Ryan Whitney]

Okay.

[Keith Yandle]

Terry Ryan won't be able to be there on Friday and Saturday, but he's coming really big. Came up from tr. We can't say what it is right now, so we're actually going to be handing over the captaincy to Con Man.

[Ryan Whitney]

Brazer's called him back.

[Keith Yandle]

Pardon me?

[Ryan Whitney]

Brazers called in T.R.

[Keith Yandle]

He'S got a. He's got a big. Yeah, he's got a big shoot on Friday, Saturday with Lisa and coming out of retirement.

[Ryan Whitney]

So Con Man's captain.

[Keith Yandle]

Con man has been and is in some of the best shape of his life. I know. Last Chicklets Cup, I was criticized by even some of the fans and other participants who are big fans of, of our show saying that I, you know, embarrassed him about how he came in a little bit out of shape. And when I say a little bit, he came a lot of out of shape. He was a big boy. But I, I, I respect the way that con man has handled the last year of his life. He's taken accountability, he shedded a bunch of weight, his cardiovascular is through the roof right now. And I felt that considering he's been with us since the start, that this was much deserved. So we're going to be handing the captaincy from Terry Ryan who will be leaving on Friday morning very early to go to this special shoot. And we're going to be giving it over to the con man. So that's the breaking news from the, the big deal selects and I actually think it's, it's like very, it's almost biblical the fact that we, in order to try to win our first one have to go into enemy territory where Yan's has now set up this team. And I believe that your team. What's that old prison? Is that where you guys are staying at that hotel? What's that hotel called?

[Biz Nasty]

Liberty. The Liberty Hotel, yeah.

[Keith Yandle]

Is that where you guys are staying? Since that's very fitting that you guys are all fucking inmates.

[Biz Nasty]

I don't even know if. Couldn't even fly. One of my best players wipes in. I don't even know if we have hotels.

[Ryan Whitney]

You, that's why they got courts this year. They're going to give you guys sleeping bags.

[Keith Yandle]

Hey, you got to tell Bri now after missing parrot teacher conferences that you're hosting the whole Boston Stranglers team, including a few.

[Biz Nasty]

Hey, but why is Terry.

[Ryan Whitney]

Where's my silver medal?

[Keith Yandle]

Because he's, because he's a great teammate and he wants to give us a pump up speech before the tournament gets going.

[Biz Nasty]

Oh yes. His pump up speeches are really unbelievable.

[Keith Yandle]

He gives some of the best pump up speech you've ever seen.

[Biz Nasty]

Have you seen them all?

[Keith Yandle]

One of our fucking vlogs.

[Biz Nasty]

I've seen them all. They are horrible.

[Keith Yandle]

You think you give better pump up speeches than Terry Ryan?

[Biz Nasty]

No, but I'm not a pump up speech guy. I, I, I'm like a sit and listen. A sit and listen guy.

[Keith Yandle]

But yeah, let's see what you're, you're, let's see what your assistant coach, what do you think he's a. Terry Ryan's pump up speeches.

[Ryan Whitney]

I, I've, listen, I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be honest with you. I've always really enjoyed them and they have pumped me up, but they, they've never worked. So it's like, you know what I mean?

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah, exactly.

[Ryan Whitney]

I mean how good is a pump up speech if you always lose? Can't Be that good. I think most of the memorable pump up speeches, right. Like I'm sick and tired of hearing about the Russian hockey team. The USA ended up beating them. Right. And you've heard amazing speech. You know you, you see Al Pacino in any given Sunday. It's that inch. I'm willing to die for that inch. Day one.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah.

[Ryan Whitney]

So that, that's what makes a successful pump up speech.

[Keith Yandle]

Will it be my name is Will it movie.

[Sean Avery]

That was great.

[Ryan Whitney]

Beaming, great movie. So can't wait for the week. I hope everyone honestly comes by. Thursday night, Friday during the day. Friday night Park City, Saturday all day Harpoon Brewery. The weather is starting to look great. I was worried for a minute and.

[Keith Yandle]

Can I ask G one more question? If Yans's team or when they lose that 4:40 game on Friday, they still have the ability to advance to the like the, the, the semifinal round, correct?

[G]

Absolutely.

[Keith Yandle]

How does the, how does it work? How does the whole.

[G]

Is it, is it brown Robin?

[Keith Yandle]

Is there two brackets though or is.

[G]

It kind of one division, eight teams? I believe the top four teams will advance and then playoffs, two rounds and then you go to the championship.

[Keith Yandle]

So goal differential will play a huge part in being one of those top four teams because.

[Ryan Whitney]

Well, I'm assuming head to head would be first tiebreaker and then you go to goal differential. Correct. Now okay.

[Keith Yandle]

Cuz last year there was a controversy. There was one team that. Oh there was one team that was two and one and they didn't advance because there was a lot of teams two and one. These guys were swearing at the organizers like they were losing their mind. So make sure if you're coming and you're in that a division. You read the rule book.

[Ryan Whitney]

Well, I think their problem biz was that they didn't, they said they weren't told. But then Mariah's like, listen, it was in the, in the package. The tiebreaker read online.

[Keith Yandle]

You got to be like wit when it comes to par conferences. You got to be a grownup. You got to get ahead of it.

[Ryan Whitney]

You got to send a big time grown up 42 years old now is, is there are the Ottawa are the godfathers in this. That team that worked you guys in London.

[Keith Yandle]

I don't think there's a lot of Canadian teams this year just probably because of the, the, the dollar. The dollar is just destroying people.

[G]

I also think Boston is a street hockey market. Like they have the, the south cup. You know they have. There's all these different street hockey tournaments in Boston where I think Boston's really showing out here as opposed to, you know, London, where it was all Canadian teams.

[Keith Yandle]

One final question. Who's Nose Play? Nose Face Killer playing for you. Fucking loser. You fucking loser.

[Ryan Whitney]

Oh, hold on. So you can bring them in everywhere, but then Keith can't.

[Keith Yandle]

I would never fucking bring him on my team. He's. He's got the smirk on his face like Nose Face Kill is going to be in his lineup. That's so fucking greasy, dude. That is so fucking greasy. I want to fucking log off right now. I'm fucking pissed. You're a fucking scumbag. You're a fucking scumbag.

[Ryan Whitney]

Sorry. We grabbed an elite goal scorer with nasty hands for the.

[Biz Nasty]

Not to mention I've known Nose Face Killer more longer than I've known you.

[Ryan Whitney]

He was Keith's stick boy.

[Biz Nasty]

He was my stick boy in high school. I've known Nose Face since He had Nose face boogers coming out of his face when he was a little bit.

[Ryan Whitney]

His nose was normal.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah, since his nose was normal, I've known him. So don't give me any shit about.

[Keith Yandle]

That awkward handshake for you, Whit. You've been fucking trashing this guy since he showed up in Detroit that first year, telling us he was going to win his. Win our ball hockey tournament. Hey, and then he fucking. He almost took out Warrenski for. For a season. Took out his knee.

[Biz Nasty]

Hey, shouldn't have been playing.

[Ryan Whitney]

Hey, Biz, you think it was a little awkward when Brad Marchand got to the Florida Panthers locker room? How'd that work out for you, Biz? How'd that work out? I keep stuffing you in a locker in these little arguments we get into, right? In real time. Big bang. Boom.

[Biz Nasty]

Yes.

[Keith Yandle]

Get him out of here.

[Ryan Whitney]

Where's he going?

[Keith Yandle]

Log him off.

[Ryan Whitney]

He gonna fart into the camera.

[Biz Nasty]

Log him off.

[Ryan Whitney]

Hey, he's flipping right now.

[Biz Nasty]

I know. I know he's flipping.

[Ryan Whitney]

By the way, why is he so.

[Biz Nasty]

Mad about Nose Face?

[Ryan Whitney]

He hates Nose Face. Noseface took his title in Detroit when he had Warrensky and crew. And then something else happened with Nose Face. I mean, Noseface showed up to the first ever Chiclets cup and was like, we're gonna dust all of you, and then did. Obviously he hates him. And. And, I mean, I just reminded him of Brad Marchand going to Florida and then stuffing his leafs in the locker room in the second round. So obviously the guy's flipping. I don't know what he's doing over there.

[Biz Nasty]

He's. He's walking. He's walking this off I don't know. Oh, he's changing into something he's putting on probably.

[Ryan Whitney]

I bet I know his strap on that he has women wear occasionally, but.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah, or the one that Noseface uses to bend him over.

[Ryan Whitney]

Gee, my. The, the, the meme. I've turned into a meme in more ways than one. We'll get into it. The meme of me at the end of Chiclet's cup in London last year.

[G]

Now used quite often most viral video that was those.

[Ryan Whitney]

That's tough for me because I think, you know, I cared. I felt bad, right? Like people biz thought I was like doing that for show. Like, I just couldn't kind of stop from laughing. But it's good effort.

[G]

People that don't even know.

[Keith Yandle]

I'm fucking ready to go, man. You guys got me fired up. I'm fucking drop the puck right fucking now. You think I'm fucking kidding with that?

[Ryan Whitney]

Has been worn by females that are friends of yours 1000%. Thousand percent.

[Biz Nasty]

Look at the whistle on the glove too.

[Keith Yandle]

Game on. Game.

[Ryan Whitney]

I was mentioning the meme. I was mentioning the meme. Like, I wasn't doing that on purpose. After you guys lost in London, like, I was just like, oh my God, I can't believe they lost. But I remember I said like, great effort, good job. Like, was that when you like kicked me off the big deal selects? Was that the moment?

[Keith Yandle]

Game on. No, I saw it on the Internet. I didn't see it in real time.

[Ryan Whitney]

I saw it behind you.

[Keith Yandle]

And then, and then everybody's mocking and laughing at the big Deal select. So I'm like, you know, had to make a big move, man. You're not. You're not fully committed. That's what that told me. And then knowing that you already had a backup plan to go join the Boston Stranglers proved everything I said correct.

[Ryan Whitney]

Of wit.

[Biz Nasty]

I've seen it a million times. It's like he knew in his brain, he was like, yan's is going to have a team. I'm going to go coach this team. We're going to wax business teams ass. And the smirk just kept going up and up and up. And it's all coming to fruition this week on home soil. Yeah, go answer your door biz, in your. In your little diaper.

[Keith Yandle]

Not right now. Thank you, ma'.

[Ryan Whitney]

Am.

[Keith Yandle]

Offside.

[G]

Coming in real quick, guys, before we go on, I. I did receive a text message from Strangler's captain this weekend around 1am and it was a mug shot. And I responded, who's that and all I got back was a strangler. So they're coming.

[Ryan Whitney]

Is he out?

[Keith Yandle]

Can I. Can I see the mug shot? I think I gave you guys a little bit of info about the fact that we got con man wearing the sea and Terry Ryan's not playing.

[G]

I just texted it to you. Just texted it to you.

[Keith Yandle]

Can you. I think everybody who's watching, I don't.

[Ryan Whitney]

Know if the guy wants his face out there, you know, with his arrest.

[Biz Nasty]

I just told you we had nose face. That was our. That was our one little thing that we had.

[Keith Yandle]

That definitely looks like an inmate. That looks like a convict. Does he have a flavor saver?

[Biz Nasty]

He's coming for that ass biz.

[Keith Yandle]

No.

[G]

A guy's scary looking, though.

[Keith Yandle]

This one, this one.

[Ryan Whitney]

Oh, my God, that one. Oh, there's. Oh, you go. You go. Butt knee.

[Keith Yandle]

When I get a little stressed, I got a few zappers on my ass. That's what happens.

[Ryan Whitney]

Now people may say you never got.

[Keith Yandle]

A zapper on your ass.

[Ryan Whitney]

I had many on my face at some point in life. I don't think I've ever been a big ass pimple guy, though I've been lucky in that regard.

[Keith Yandle]

But I mean, I'd rather on my.

[Ryan Whitney]

Dumper than my face. So for sure. Am I to say. Who am I to say? We should get to one more thing quickly that. That's been making the rounds on the Internet that I need to address. That's the barstool Ryder Cup. So I was named captain. Myself versus rigged are long standing rivalry that, that, you know, at this point in time doesn't look great for your. Your boy witty, but I just gotta say, just a pathetic job by myself. There's really no words. I don't know if we can put the. The clip together, the. The. The video together of the clips that Portnoy put together. We want any chance at this thing. Me and Dan have to beat him and Dave to start this whole thing off. The over there. That went right.

[Keith Yandle]

Worst drive of the bunch.

[Ryan Whitney]

Is there a chance I don't find this ball? I thought it was just wide open. Horrible chip. Horrible chip. That was a money swing. Hit the lip of the bunker embedded in the hill. I'm horrible. That's a chunk. That's a block. That's a chunk. These balls are going dead hook sideways. When I like stink it. That makes me want. That looks so ugly there. That's a dead chunk. Went about 100 yards, three wood. Look at the divot. The ball's there. It's one of the great myths I've.

[Keith Yandle]

Been pulled that he was this great, great golfer. Somebody with me.

[Ryan Whitney]

That one wasn't a bad swing. Wrong club. Not much of a stance.

[Keith Yandle]

I would be beating Whitney. Right.

[Ryan Whitney]

We thought there was a chance as me versus Whitney. That's true. Z would have been beating me, I think. Is that in the water? That's tough Bounce fast green.

[Biz Nasty]

Yes, sir.

[Ryan Whitney]

Look at Rigs. You, Riggs, you are terrible. Terrible. It's a bad case. You got me. Stink, too. You.

[Keith Yandle]

You make them work too. Oh, I was brutal.

[Ryan Whitney]

Unnamed show. That's why I don't even get to play much anymore. Why Unnamed. Done. Because I need to play golf again. My handicap's gone up so much, they put, like, an X on it. That's true. They flagged it. Yes. Easily my most embarrassing moment on the Internet. All right, cut it. So I want to put my hand up, right? That's just horrible. Horrible golf. Horrible leadership. Now people were coming at me mentioning how I picked Minahan. First one, he had said, if. Like, I'm leaving if. If the other team picks me. So I was like, all right, I'll take you two. I think he got most of our points. Like, it ended up actually being a good pick. The problem was not getting Francis, who ended up.

[Keith Yandle]

Oh, he's unreal.

[Ryan Whitney]

He was lights out. Now, let's.

[Keith Yandle]

Speaker 2. I didn't realize he was that good.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah.

[Ryan Whitney]

So he's gotten. He's. He's always been pretty good. I played with him at Bayonne, I want to say, like, three, four years ago. He's nice player. And then he. He's been writing Portnoy's book, and he's been at Silo Ridge. He's a member at this beautiful course in New York, and I think he's been playing a lot and writing. And now his game has reached a crazy level. Like, he. He's a nice player.

[Keith Yandle]

Like a six.

[Ryan Whitney]

If his handicaps are six, he's a great six. He could be like, a four right now. I. Now. But. But back to me. Like, yeah, I. I didn't sniff a point. The. The. The scramble with Dan. We lost on nine. Biz. Me and you. Alt shot. I was brutal.

[Keith Yandle]

Oh, dude. I was fucking shanking everything. And then even when we started clawing back, I put the 1 OB. You had to call the clubhouse. I mean, my singles with Trent hasn't came out yet. I was horrific and. And. And fucked up. I was just so.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yan. You played well. You played well.

[Biz Nasty]

I played okay. The. Which ones have came up what was the first?

[Keith Yandle]

Sask. You and Sask?

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah, me and Sas. But we. I think we played Francis and Frank or Hank. Yeah, And Hank was good, too.

[Keith Yandle]

Great.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah.

[Keith Yandle]

So that was Hank and Francis, too. So they must have done a good job about keeping their pairings together and not switching it up too much. So they kept with their. Do you say. What's the word I'm looking for?

[Ryan Whitney]

Their. Their rhythm, their. Their. Their juju, their vibe, their teammanship, their. I don't know, as you can tell right now when it comes to golf. Now, that was in Ju. June. Another aspect of that was that I was told that Beef was horrendous. Beef was good.

[Keith Yandle]

Beef's great, man.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah. Yeah. But I want to take ownership of just like. Yeah. Like, you could tell why I've never been a captain of a team in my life. Right. Not exactly captain guy, but the golf thing. And she gets on. And she gets on here earlier, and he's like, dude, what was that? What was that? And it's like, buddy, like, you're kind of proving that you don't know much about golf, and I've been getting torched online, rightfully so. But, like, I don't think people get golf in which, like, very elite, elite golfers. Yes. Like, they're. They're like true scratch golfers. They're shooting, you know, maybe a couple under to a couple over every time they play. At one point, I was kind of there. At this point in my life, like, I. I can shoot 74. I can shoot fucking 88. It just so happened that it. It all came, like, to a head the first round of that tournament. And when I lose it. I mentioned when I lose it, it's. There's no middle ground. Like, when I lose it now, I really, really stink. It sucks. It's so depressing and demoralizing. But. But it's just a fact of life right now with my golf. I'm telling myself that when I'm 50, I'm going to get good again. Cal will be 9, Wyatt will be 12. R will be 15. Little more time, I think, but I'm kind of like, I'm bummed. I'm bummed. But I realize, you know, you just. I have to play a lot of golf to be very good at golf. And when I say a lot of golf, I mean every day, that's not realistic. That leads to a divorce. That leads to a very big, like, dad, son issues when you're just never there because you're golfing. So it's just Gross. To see it online. Gross. And it wasn't the nerves of the camera. We've played enough that on camera for me playing golf. Like, I don't really get nervous. Like, I mean, obviously you have some nerves, but it's not like that's why I played bad. It's just that when I go bad, it doesn't matter if there's cameras. No cameras. I'm in a big money match, I'm alone, playing nine holes, I stink. So it was just horrible timing, Horrible timing. I let down the entire team. I became a meme. I have a Portnoy video. He's got this video of me looking like a complete moron at Survivor where he was fucking Kim Jong Un. And then he's got this video of me where he would have beat me in a one on one match. And he's horrific. So sometimes you got to put your hand up and say I stink. You know, what else am I going to do? But a great event, great horse, was phenomenal. It just sucked to let down my team the way I did. Biz I wanted to address.

[Keith Yandle]

And that's, that's, that's why my advice is always, you don't get good to begin with because then you can't let yourself down.

[Ryan Whitney]

I, I've started thinking, I've started thinking like, God, I kind of wish I never got good because the pain of being bad is that much more painful, if that makes any sense.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah, it's like when I, it's like in the minors when I played in the American Hockey League with Dennis Bondi. I, I scored a goal. He goes, hey, don't do it too much. And they're going to, now they're going to start expecting it. And I said, that's fucking genius. That, that is genius. Do it once or twice a year, fly under the radar, keep signing these contracts. And there she goes. And we got Keith back. He was having some wifi issues. But yeah, it golf, Golf's a frustrating game, man, I tell you that.

[Biz Nasty]

It, I will say, I mean your game obviously wasn't where you wanted it to be. You didn't play the, you know, the way I've usually seen you play. But we got a big match this week. We need you ready for that. But it was also the captaincy wise, I think there was too many cooks in the kitchen, like telling you to do things like you had. You got Dan in there, you got big cat, you got pft.

[Keith Yandle]

Is that the same person?

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah.

[Biz Nasty]

Oh, no, sorry, I meant a Kirk. And then so like There was like a lot of guys kind of like telling you what to do in the matchups and who to pick. So I wouldn't put too much of the stress on being a captain, but the way that you played probably wasn't what you wanted. Made for a great video though.

[Keith Yandle]

I'll say Kirk was electric in it, but like, I'm not that intense. Like I, that it kind of makes you a little uncomfortable because you just like, ah, can we just like, you know, hang out, have a good. But no, there's, there's, I think there's obviously a little bit of bad blood there because he didn't get invited to the Internet Invitational. And like, oh, it's like at that point, so just take my spot.

[Ryan Whitney]

But a lot of people like Kirk first. Overall, I'm like, well, dude, he had like, I think with two and a half points, he has two of them. So like, how can you call out that being a bad pick? The guy played, the guy played great. I stunk. Yeah. So we'll leave it at that. I'll look for redemption in two years. I'm very excited for the real Ryder cup, actually. This weekend is nuts. It's Oregon, Penn State, Saturday, Georgia, Alabama, Saturday. Second day of the Ryder Cup. Saturday, single Sunday at Beth Page. Going to be an incredible. And then Chicklet's Cup.

[Keith Yandle]

Beth. Beth's Page is on Long Island.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yes.

[Keith Yandle]

Okay. I thought. I think Borelli's is having like a little get together there. Obviously. Perfect for them. And foreplay. They, they posted about it. Was it McElroy chirping, Bryson D. Shambo. So kind of getting things going. That's not very common in golf where there's Josh and going on before the tournament.

[Ryan Whitney]

No.

[Keith Yandle]

Who are the big dogs? And like what's, what's, what's the table being set going into this? Just to finish off with the golf chatter.

[Ryan Whitney]

So if you remember in Rome, Rory was. Gee, look up quick who he was going at it with. It might have been Joe La Cava. When Patty Cantlay made a putt on Saturday or Friday night, they were waving their hats and like going nuts because Cantlay wouldn't wear a hat apparently because he wasn't being paid. That turned out to maybe be false. Either way, the, the Ryder Cup. Yeah, Jolokova. The Ryder cup has turned into a pretty like. I mean these guys can't stand. They're buddies. But I think that like, it's really reached another level and it seems like the home team wins quite often now. But when Rory and, and Europe won in Rome. Rory said, the biggest thing in golf in my mind these days is winning an away Rider cup, and we're going to go do that in two years at Bethpage. So we said that originally. Then Bryson came out. Bryson was the original Potter. In which he said, you know, this year I'm, I'm going to be. I'm going to be in Rory's face more like. Or if we play together, like, I'm going to be chirping at him. I didn't do that before. And. And then Rory's like, I think that he just mentions me and Scheffler constantly to get attention. And then Rory said, I'm. I'm almost positive. I think he said, I'm almost positive something will happen similar to what happened between me and La Cava, where there's bad blood and there's anger and there's. Which is great. I mean, that's all anyone wants. Keegan Bradley has been in an argument before with Miguel Angel Jimenez back in the day over, like, him yelling at his caddy. So him being a captain, maybe he gets in the mix or something. Luke Donald doesn't seem like too much of a. Of a fighter, but the guy's been an amazing captain so far. And being one and, oh, in Rome and looking to go two and all the Ryder Cups, I. I've said it's my favorite sporting event. I can't wait for it to be being in New York. You're going to have some real, real shitbag fans. And when I say shitbag, I love them because they're American that are going to be torturing European players. Torturing. I'm sure Rory will be hearing a lot, maybe some things that are over the line, knowing New York the way I do, but it's going to be electric. So I can't wait to. I can't wait to tune into that. I guess we could lead in from there. I. I just want to quickly mention being in Long island, the Ryder cup, that is. Did you see the clips of Matthew Schaefer in the Islanders preseason game the other night against the Fires?

[Biz Nasty]

Dude, he is nice.

[Ryan Whitney]

I think he's really, really, really nice.

[Keith Yandle]

Was giving him the double wrister post game, too.

[Ryan Whitney]

There was a tweet I saw saying that, like, I don't know if it was a scout or GM of another team said, like, I think this kid might be a top pair guy immediately. Now, don't overreact. I'd say to all fans, preseason games sometimes can give a little false hope into What a player might be that season. You know, you don't have a lot of the veterans playing the early ones. Everything will kind of like get going a little tougher, a little more physical, a little more intense leading into the first regular season game. But Matthew Schaefer, I didn't realize how tall he was, and maybe he's not even that tall, but he looks huge on the ice and he can fly. And it was very fitting for me in terms of, like, I have Flyers fans who hate my guts and I hate you right back. I hate you right back. But I've called out Michkov skating as looking awkward. I've never said that this kid isn't a great player and couldn't be a 90, 95 point guy in his career. And super skilled.

[Keith Yandle]

He's got short strides like me.

[Ryan Whitney]

He's got weird short strides. And then to see Schaefer catch him from a zone away on a breakaway, I said, oh.

[Keith Yandle]

You might be right.

[Ryan Whitney]

About something now, because Flyers fans will send me every goal he scores. I'm like, dude, you just sent me a clip of him getting it on the goal line, taking two steps and shelfing it. Awesome. But where's the skating in that? If you want to send me a clip of him blown by a defenseman wide, driving the net and tucking one, I will go hands up. Mea culpa. I was wrong. But to see Schaefer, an 18 year old, catch you from a zone away.

[Keith Yandle]

On a breakaway, I think he's got to go to KY3 skating school next summer. Yeah, on. On Meech, cough and Cape Cod.

[Ryan Whitney]

Wow. Cornelli's saying, I didn't know Barzell. You said double wrister. He said he's going to be the best D man in the league. I'm assuming he means in two to three, four years.

[G]

Yeah, he said eventually. He said eventually, I think this guy's going to be a top defenseman in the league.

[Ryan Whitney]

Kale Makar. Did you hear that?

[Biz Nasty]

Did Lane Hudson's dad hear that?

[Ryan Whitney]

Oh, I got a kid on my team, on Ryder's team, punching the steering. Baker. I got this kid Baker. He's on D this year. I said, you look like Kale Makar out there. He said, that's my favorite player. He's Baker McCarr to me now. Baker McCarr. I'm screaming at Adam as he goes end to end.

[Keith Yandle]

How old was Lane Hudson last year when he broke in? He was a little old.

[Ryan Whitney]

College. I'm guessing he probably 21, D1 or 22 during the season.

[Keith Yandle]

So who, who is the last 18 year old D man to come in and just straight up dominate?

[Ryan Whitney]

It might have been Dodie.

[Biz Nasty]

That's what I, I was thinking when he was talking about Schaefer, like the last guy to do that. Because I mean in that year Doughty played in the Olympic team, right? That was that year. Or had he had already played a year.

[Ryan Whitney]

So Hudson, Hudson started last year at 20. He turned 21 in February. He'll turn 22 this February in the middle of his second season. That's a guy to talk about the, the, the drama of contracts as that year goes on. He's not. Everyone thought he'd be signed prior to the season. Maybe it's the. Still happens. But I, I actually can't believe the amount of guys I figured would be signed. Yes, of course I'm thinking McDavid. I thought by now this wouldn't be a story and a headache for the Oilers. He's not signed. Caprisov's not signed. Eichel's not signed. Kyle Connor's not signed. Lane Hudson's not signed. A lot of guys who could have signed this summer, like, I, I don't know. Is it not been different in years past? Where, like.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah, but I, I honestly think it's because of that jump in the cap man. Where, and, and also, well, Hudson may be a little bit weird because he had such a big year where you think he would probably get that max dollar amount that, that he would want to command. The Bedard thing makes total sense. He's going to say, I'm going to go in there, I'm going to get 40 fucking tucks. I'm going to get probably 80, 90 points and then I'm going to basically own the Chicago Blackhawks. Because I, I think if he does that, he's probably looking at like a $12 to $13 million tag. The biggest deal coming out of an entry level contract that the NHL has ever seen. I think that that's a guarantee, right? If he does. If he does what? I just said hundred percent.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah.

[Keith Yandle]

So. But yeah, the other guy's last pod. I was saying there was one guy who's not signed and I remember we couldn't think of it. I think it's Ross Levic. Yeah, he doesn't, he doesn't currently have a deal right now. Not in the same situation as I believe he's unrestricted. But is he not a name where you heard about five or six teams saying, oh, he might sign here, he might sign here and we're not talking about just like bought her theater teams. I believe the Edmonton Oilers offered him a deal and he turned it down. That's what's being reported, a one year deal.

[Ryan Whitney]

And he wants, he wants, I think he wants a little term.

[Keith Yandle]

Well, bud, he's been kind of in those like, like those bridge deals, trying to wait for his big pop. And I feel like he's being talked about as this guy who can take the next step and, and be a legitimate second line center on a lot of teams in the NHL. And he's kind of that one guy who's never really got his nut and he's probably seeing some of these guys get these five six year deals at, at, you know, not only good term, but good dollar amounts. And he's like, fuck, I'm, I'm better player than that. I don't know what you guys believe in him, but I feel like he's one of those guys that might be getting hosed in a sense where maybe there's not enough money on some of these top end teams where he wants to go play like actually be and perform up to what he can and maybe they just don't got the money. So he's kind of between a rock and a hard place. But if I'm him, I don't want to sign a one or two year deal either.

[Ryan Whitney]

I know, but dude, at this point now, what's crazy, at 22 goals last year and obviously there's something within his game now I've seen him play a little like look good in Carolina, had some good really solid years in Columbus. But if 32 teams aren't, if there's not one team out there giving you the term you want, like what are you thinking? He has a new agent now. I believe he switched agents. But you could say what you want about the player. If you're sitting September 22nd with no deal, like that's a panic. I've been there and I was coming off nothing close to what he came off. Where you're like, what the fuck? I, to me, I understand. I don't want to take another one year deal. That's stressful. It's tough. I think it was a million bucks for one year with Edmonton. But at some point it's like, fuck, I need something and if I go to Edmonton, what if I kind of pop off 45, 50 points?

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah.

[Ryan Whitney]

Are you then worried I'm in the same position next year? I don't know. But Keith, you've seen enough where if you're sitting around September 22nd with no contract. I mean, even Matt Grizzly had 40 points for Pittsburgh. He's on a PTO in Chicago.

[Keith Yandle]

That's.

[Ryan Whitney]

Times are changing.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah, I think those guys, like we talked about it last podcast, like you look at 31, 32, like it's kind of 28 though. I know, that's what I'm saying.

[Keith Yandle]

But it's like, no, that's the new 32 though. We talked about it, right. With Avery, it's like it's such a young man's league where they're just pigeon toss you the minute you hit. Fucking 26 years old. It's nuts.

[Biz Nasty]

A team doesn't want, at 28, a team might not want to give him a five year deal where he wants that, or maybe it's a lower end team that wants to give him that, but he wants a chance to win because you're 28, you're looking at yourself, you're like, oh my God, I got four more years in this league. I got to try to win. I just think that he's at that age, that awkward age of 28 where the team doesn't know if they want to give him a five year deal or a one year deal. And for him it's like, does he want to keep signing these one year deals when he still feels young, I'm sure, right. And you know, we've all seen him play. I think he's got crazy high end skill. I like the way he plays. I think he could help any team. I think for him, yeah, he's just got to bet on himself, sign a one year deal. Probably be better off to do it with a good team where you're going to be seen, you're going to be winning games, you're going to be in the playoffs and, and then hopefully sign a three year deal next summer. But yeah, I think for him, he's probably just going to have to knuckle up and sign the one year deal this year and, and fight for a job for the, you know, years to come.

[Keith Yandle]

If on the Leafs, I sign them to a one year deal at a million bucks and then just have him plant trees on his off days and then slide him another four under the table. That's what I'm doing.

[Ryan Whitney]

Kawhi style.

[Keith Yandle]

Kawhi style. Let's go set up the llc. Let's get this rolling. Rossi. Come on, baby.

[Ryan Whitney]

Another guy that could, could have signed that hasn't that apparently it's very close is Biz's guy, Adrian Kempe. We Mentioned him now. We'll see. Apparently this could get done very soon, hopefully for the LA Kings. But the biggest news in LA for me was the announcement by Anze Kopitar that he will be retiring after this season. It was so funny that it was right after, I think it was the day after Clayton Kershaw announced that this will be his final season. And I don't know if you saw the, the video of on the field as he walked off the mound in his final regular season home start. I mean, first ballot hall of Famer. The guy's been dominant for 15, 20 years, it feels, feels like. And Kopitar was making jokes like, yeah, I don't think it takes a little spotlight off me, like in a good way. But me was Kopitar incredible hockey player. I like. He's got Selkie trophies, he's got Lady Bing trophies, he's got two Stanley Cups. He's got the most games ever played by the Kings. He's got the most ever assists by the King by a Kings player. I think he's 30 goals away from the most.

[Keith Yandle]

No, I think 30, 32 points away from passing Marcel Dion for the most points and, and Kingston goals third and.

[Ryan Whitney]

Goals behind Dion and, and Robitaille. It's amazing to think back of the teams that won. They could have won a couple more. That was Chicago's heyday. They went back and forth. They got 12 and 14. Chicago got 13, 15 in 2010. And they were battling each other. So without Chicago, maybe they win three or four. He'll have his jersey retired, he'll have a statue. And I think the coolest thing about it is that this guy is still playing high level hockey. Like last year, he was great and he's very excited about this year. I mean, he said in his press conference, I think we're a better team than we were last year. Some weird signings on the, on the back end with like term from some of those guys. Cc. But what a, what a player biz. I don't know if you want to speak on. We were lucky enough to interview him last year.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah, I mean like if, if I ever had a kid and he played hockey and he was a centerman, I'd want him to play exactly like Anzac. And the way that he handles himself and, and just an incredible human being and I mean just like the way he's able to handle pressure, if that's even what you call it in his world. Just so even keel. And even when I was in the organization for the three years I was, man, like when I would roll into training camp, like the way that he treated every single person, whether it was a guy who just signed his entry level deal or whether it's a guy who'd been there for 10 years on his wing, just the, the, the consummate pro and in, in the, like the, the greatest example of what you would want a hockey player to be. So you kind of mentioned all of his stats and what he' team on the ice. But you know, when they drafted him, whatever their expectations were, he far exceeded them and he, he should retire a king. And I mean you said he's going to get a statue. I think like half the roster does in la. But that's not taken away. He deserves his own big one right in front of that building because he brought them their first Stanley cup along with Dustin Brown and just what a, what a fucking run. And, and like you said, man, it's not like it's the same goes with ovi. It's not like these guys are backing into these records or out of their career. Like he's still playing at a world class level.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah.

[Keith Yandle]

If you know, he's like, he's the type of guy who should be playing in the Olympics this coming upcoming year. I believe that Slovenia does not have a team in the Olympics. Correct. It sucks that he's not. It's not. It sucks that he's not going to be able to represent his country and what would be his final year just so happens to be matching up with an Olympic year. But just an incredible human being and deserves everything that he's got. And I'm sure he'll be sticking around the organization once it's all said and done and, and helping them out in the front office and, and that's the guy you want setting the example and setting the way and couldn't be happier for him. It was. Yeah, it was a great press conference and, and sad, man. It's sad man. Like, like it makes, makes guys like me and you, Yan's like we're feeling old now guys that we came in with the. All, all these guys are now dropping like flies. Like how many more years you think Doughty has left? That was that. That's the end of that core group and, and going quickly back to Adrian Kempe. I know we were kind of going back and forth. I think it was last season at the start about what he would command salary wise. And I said 10 and everybody was like, I don't know. I don't know, man. Especially with Colby Leaving like, I feel like, I feel like he's captain material too. Yeah, when, when Kepi came in and I played with him in the minors, he didn't have a mean streak. He just worried about playing his skilled job and, you know, scoring goals, making plays. You watch him now, buddy. He fucking, he's even elevating his play. He's averaged 35 goals over the last three seasons. In the regular season, he plays every situation, whether it's pp, PK in. In fucking in playoff time. He's. He's in there, he's getting his fucking nose dirty night in, night out. And when the play gets harder and it's playoff time, look at his numbers. I think he's. I think he's almost at like a goal per game. He's got four or five goals the last three years come playoff time in the first round. And them losing in the first round has nothing to do with his play.

[Sean Avery]

He's.

[Keith Yandle]

He's been their best player. So I think he's probably going to be in that 11 to 12 range now that they got money coming off the books with Kopitar. And not to, not to speculate either. Some. I, I keep getting texts about fucking McDavid going there. I'm not getting into that. I'm not getting into that. Ken Holland's there. I'm not going to speculate. I'm living in the present right now. But you know, that would be a nice one, two punch up the middle.

[Ryan Whitney]

You think army said 12 million? Yeah, that's what Army's hearing for, for Kempe.

[Keith Yandle]

I think he's worth it. He's a bonafide 40 goal scorer and in playoff times, he's the man.

[Ryan Whitney]

Do you think that your former coach in the minors who you said is very. Was a tough coach, a great coach, but a tough coach. And Mike Stuthers had a lot to do with Kempe learning that, that mean side, that compete side of his game.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah, I think they're like, so, so Kempe, we won it the first year when he came over, he came over playoff time. He. I think he had eight or nine goals as an 18 year old coming into that Calder cup playoff run. And then the next year they didn't just keep him up, they sent him back down to the minors. And those next two years he spent majority time in the minors and it was not easy on him. Like, it was tough. And I think that as. Maybe as annoyed and rattled as Kempe was at times, with the tough love that Stutters was giving him and the fact that he wasn't in the NHL. I think that he would admit to you today that that had a lot to do with, with turning him into the player that he has, along with playing with those vets in LA when he finally got up, like getting a play with Kopitar. Like, how can you not be responsible defensively when you're seeing that guy do it game in, game out, when he's getting his nose dirty, when he's making sure he's playing a 200 foot game. So I've always, I fucking. I think I mentioned it even in the Avery interview coming up. Like drafting and developing LA is, is I would say probably top 10 league year over year, if not top five. And the way that they handled Adrian Kempe, they, they did it perfectly. And look where he is now. That's. That's how you do it, gang.

[Ryan Whitney]

Oh, so not handing the keys to the castle as it to an 18 year old and just letting them play and make mistakes in the NHL and not actually have to grind it out in the minors for a little bit works.

[Keith Yandle]

You're saying Yan's, what do you say all the time?

[Ryan Whitney]

I don't know.

[Keith Yandle]

You say NHL is not a development league.

[Biz Nasty]

Oh, yeah, yeah. I said it one time last episode.

[Keith Yandle]

Oh, okay.

[Biz Nasty]

But I'm gonna start saying it a lot more.

[Keith Yandle]

I did just say it in the Avery interview.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah, but yeah.

[Keith Yandle]

Oh, by the way, we're getting Sean Avery on today.

[Biz Nasty]

Just to go back to, to Kopitar, like shout out to whoever drafted him, like he was playing what's the Swedish junior league?

[Ryan Whitney]

Is that like, I, I'm guessing that's a high level league for 17, 18 year olds that aren't in the SHL, the Bundesliga.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah, I mean he, he had good numbers in that, but it's like, how do you know what's going to translate from a junior league to the NHL? And then two years later he's in the NHL. But I think what, what you guys said too, like when you think about hockey players, like when other people meet hockey players, they're always like, oh my God, they're so humble. They're great guys, good teammates. Like, that's what I think of for Anze Kopitar just being that guy his whole career biz, like you said, just never cheating the game, always being responsible. 200 foot game, playing hard in playoffs. Like I remember playing against them. Like he's an honest guy. Like he's not going to run you from behind, but you're going to feel him every shift he was a big, heavy player. Let you lean on him, he just eat you away for 60 minutes. Incredible, incredible player. And you know he's going to be a first ballot hall of Famer. To play one for one team like that to win Stanley Cups, to do it in la, like those guys must have been living like, imagine with those teams with Greener and Doty winning Stanley Cups there kind of a little bit before the huge social media aspect where they could kind of go under the radar a little bit. So those teams, you know, envious of those teams, obviously they beat us to win one against Jersey, which was tough, but yeah, incredible career and like you guys said, I think he's going to go and have a great year this year and give them a chance to win some games.

[Keith Yandle]

Oh, playing them was a dude. Well, I played one fucking shift in that series. I was trying to run around to hit Dowdy. He kept rolling off me. I kept hitting the glass.

[Ryan Whitney]

You ran into them like they were just smushing everyone.

[Keith Yandle]

They would, they would get a one nothing lead and they would just. Anaconda chokehold. Yeah. Four lines they had. I remember their fourth line was Dwight, Dwight, King, Nolan. Was. Was Trevor Lewis on their team still then? Yeah, yeah, yeah, they just, they were so big and, and they're.

[Ryan Whitney]

I.

[Keith Yandle]

Every one of their D Scuds was on their team the one year, him and Green, Willie Mitchell, Willie Mitchell, Doughty, like they were just so big, they gave you no time and space. The minute you would get free and you'd have a chance, Jonathan Quick would be there to stop it. And yeah, I just, I just remember that Ford group just being so big and strong and they would just work you down low like, like Sutter hockey. Work, work, work, work.

[Ryan Whitney]

Crazy. Those cores, like that's what Brown, Quick, Chicago with Seabrook, Keith Taves.

[Keith Yandle]

Oh, Brown was so dirty too. Like he would. He was like a little Raffy Torres in his own right. Just chin down, rocking you. Did you ever hear about those Sutter pregame speeches? How he would walk in there and he would just get down and he would work, work, work. That's all he would say. And they'd just be like, what the fuck is wrong with this guy?

[Ryan Whitney]

I think he wants me to work.

[Keith Yandle]

I think he did. I think he wants me to get in there.

[Ryan Whitney]

Staying in California, a team who I would say right now has a brighter future than LA is Anaheim. I'm talking, you know, the next five to eight years. That is the Ducks. But it's not all, you know, what.

[Keith Yandle]

Is the Term hunky sunshines and rainbows.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah. Right now with their former third overall pick, Mason McTavish. He's unsigned and he's not just unsigned in town. He's back in Ottawa. He's skating with the Ottawa 67s. Sounds like they're not even close. I think it's proof they're not even close with him flying across the continent. Right. That that kind of means like all right, this is not, this is not going to be resolved in the next week or two, which sucks. I think it sucks for the team. I think it sucks for the player. I would lean a little bit more sucking for the player only because how many times have we talked about guys who sat out, weren't signed, came in late and then didn't have a good year? I mean you saw Swayman last year. I think the year Nylander waited and signed late, he didn't have a great season like not being in camp. We've gone over it many times. It's kind of a killer. You're just not, not only are you not with the guys, but you don't have the reps. You could skate as much as you want with the Ottawa 67s. It doesn't even come close to skating in an NHL training camp. I don't know, I mean like last year over 50 points. I, I, I wonder biz I don't know if you've seen much of Anaheim. Like I might have thought he was going to be a little bit more of a of bunch bulldog prick.

[Keith Yandle]

Now maybe he show he shows signs of it. Y good in the net front plays hard. I think it's probably frustrating as as a young player to maybe see you accomplish just as much if not a little bit more than some of these other guys getting these big tickets out of that entry level. So that might be the frustration. It is. Especially when you're playing in a bigger market. It can get a little bit antsy where you're reading comments if you are like oh you're greedy. Like prove it more this and that where as a player like that probably gets to you just as much as like not getting the reps and being there for training camp in preparation for the season. I do think that we're being hypocritical if we're not going to lean more towards Verbeek and management side where we keep talking about some of these teams need to set the precedent where you can't just keep handing over all this dough where guys really haven't proven it to, to like that level There are certain guys like who come out of entry level where you're like what do you want?

[Biz Nasty]

Right?

[Keith Yandle]

Eight years. Oh, there's okay, like the McDavids like this, the types of players like that. So for, for Verbeek and that management staff, they're probably trying to say let's set a precedent here. We haven't won, we're not even close to scratching playoffs. We can't just give this guy this deal. Now we're in Anaheim and then he's going to ride off into the sunset because we just gave him 50 fucking sheets. Like Matthew Nyes has at least done what he's done in Toronto and he just got under eight. So I, if I'm McTavish, I'd probably want like a two year bridge and.

[Ryan Whitney]

They don't want to do bridge. That's apparently Anaheim does not want to do a bridge deal, but he wants to. I've seen different reports on what he wants.

[Biz Nasty]

I, I, I wonder what the difference is in money, right? Because like you said, if he's missing training camp that's, it's going to be a tough start for him. But you have to be so like.

[Keith Yandle]

I don't know, so where the, where the player and the agent have the leverage, it's like well fuck man, you drafted him third overall. You don't have a lot there. You have to hope that him and a few of these other guys like Carlson end up taking that next step. Lacombe, who we talk about as well, I don't know man, like I, I would, I, I would see, you know, six and a half to seven million being a great number for a guy like that.

[Ryan Whitney]

I don't know, I think too biz and I look at, I kind of look at Beniers, right? So Beniers has played 20 more games than him. They're the same age. Roughly he has, McTavish has two less goals and what is it right here? Two less goals and six less points. Veneer signed seven years, 50 million. So I think McTavish and his agent are probably like, well I got comparables right here. Like, you know what I'm saying? And yeah, that's where I see both sides now. The side that sucks for the players like Quenville's coming in, you want to get on his good side, right? And that is not something that an agent and player can kind of worry about. Like we can't sit here and think oh my God, new coach, like I need to be there because you're also, you're looking to take care of your career and your, and your life and what you've kind of done now fans for sure will sit around like Merle's is probably on the side of the docks like that. Merls hates these big deals for the young guys. Sometimes I think they're a little ridiculous. But I also see where McTavish, I.

[Keith Yandle]

Also like the way that McTavish plays though. That's the difference. Like he's not, I wouldn't just say he's just a point guy. He's a, he's, he's a bulldog and will be in the future, like in three, four years he's going to be one of the bigger, thicker power forwards in the league. And, and he like he might even be there in the west as we speak Now Verbeek, I feel like he also set the precedent when dealing with that Zegras contract where he just didn't fold in that instance who also wasn't.

[Ryan Whitney]

Good when he came back after sitting out another example.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah, so yeah, the, he Verbeek's definitely toeing the line here. But I, I, I would have to hear what's being offered and, or what's being rejected to, to have a strong opinion on it. But I, I, I have no problem with them handing over 50 million bucks.

[Ryan Whitney]

Okay, so let me, let me fill you in. Cause I, I just got something here from G, this is from DAV According to sources, McTavish is willing to sign a long term deal in the seven to eight year range, worth in the neighborhood of seven to eight million per season. The Ducks however have pitched a five year contract worth around five and a half per season.

[Keith Yandle]

Okay.

[Biz Nasty]

Two million a year there isn't.

[Ryan Whitney]

I feel like why is he in Ottawa? Like that should be able to get done in my mind.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah, yeah, I, if, and if I'm him, I would say no, I'd rather have a two year deal and then I'm going to make my bank. Like I, yeah, yeah, the, the inmates run the asylum a little bit more than that. I would just tell them sign me to a one year like one year deal or two year deal. And you're saying well the team doesn't want that. Well if I'm the player, it's like I'm not signing five, five for five and a half. I, I, I, I, I truly believe that McTavish and his agent believe way more in himself to, to far more surpass that number after getting another one or two years under his belt.

[Ryan Whitney]

And, and I, I think it's very fair to say like Five times five and a half. Like, that is not good enough. Like, I'm not. I'm not doing that now. They have Carlson coming up soon. They have lacombe coming up soon. They have Cutter Gaultier coming up soon. So talking out of both sides of my mouth, I see Verbeek also, like, trying to be like, I have to set, you know, basically, no, no, no shot at you biz. Like, I can't have what happened with the Toronto Maple Leafs with all these guys coming out of entry level deal. So we'll see where this ends up going. But never good for a player to miscamp. That that's been proven.

[Biz Nasty]

I think the only good thing for him is that Q is a player's coach and he played. He understands guys want to get. Get paid and get paid early. Like, I don't think he'll use that against him when he comes back. I don't know what their relationship with Verbeek. If Verbeek's like, hey, you got to, you know, start him on the fourth line or whatever. But I do think, like, when he does come back, he will be inserted and where he should be. Q's not one of those guys that'll try to bury him because he sat out a couple weeks. So, yeah, for him, I hope he gets the best deal he can get. Obviously, you know, even for Anaheim, like you said, with like, their upside is looking pretty good. They've had. They got some good pieces in there and he's one of the main components of it probably, if you look at that roster, probably be the guy that'll be the captain of that team at some point, right? So it's like, do you want to piss him off that much too, right? Where he's like, hey, in three years, I want out of here. So I, I would want to keep him happy if I'm. If I'm Anaheim. Because, you know, when I look at that team, I think of him and being a big part of the future and, and leading that team to hopefully Stanley cup before the devil. So Whit wins his bet.

[Ryan Whitney]

Thank you, Keith. We're going to stay out west here. Michael.

[Keith Yandle]

We didn't talk about our boy J.T. yet, but I guess we'll get to him before we throw to Avery.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah, yeah, we'll get to that. Next. This is just quick, but Michael Backlin signed a two year extension. So every game of his career with the Calgary Flames. Captain of the Calgary Flames, two year contract extension 3.25. He's 36 years old. I think team and Player are very happy with that now. I don't know about you guys. I. I don't see the Flames doing what they did last year. I don't think they got any better.

[Biz Nasty]

I think they're counting on Wolf to just really.

[Ryan Whitney]

And he was great, but I don't know, like, that was a shock last year. I mean, they was it game 82. They. They missed out on the playoffs. Like, I mean, they were. They were picked in lottery. I think we had them as like a lottery option. Bottom five in the league going into the season. They had incredible goaltending. Kadri played phenomenal. We'll see. I don't know if that's gonna repeat itself this year. Like, I don't see them getting into the playoffs. Maybe. Maybe. I'm just totally.

[Keith Yandle]

I think they're a scrappy bunch and I think they'll be in the mix. I think it's hard, man, out west. Like, I look at a lot of teams in that similar bubble like Vancouver. Yeah, they don't have much depth in the Sunrise position. I think Petey's gonna have a huge year. But they got defense and goaltending, and when you got that, you always have a chance to win. That's the way we fucking played in Arizona, right? It was like we had. We had Wiley, veteran D. With. With a guy kicking a net. And I. I think we mentioned it last pod wolf. Nice, nice fat 7 year contract for him. Well deserved. And they got that Zari kid. They got some good young talent and. And they all play hard together. So I think that they're going to be more in the mix than you think.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah, I do too. I think Uyghur too. Like Uyghurs made steps every year and I think he's. He made a huge step last year with Cal.

[Ryan Whitney]

You're going to.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah, he was unreal. And I think Hubie's going to be the same way. Like those guys. It was tough for them getting traded, I think. And you know, they're getting more and more comfortable. Hubie had a baby. Like, I think those guys are kind of finding their stride in Calgary right now with wigs and QB and, And like you said to Kadri playing the way he did last year, I think. I think they should be pissed off if they don't make playoffs next year. I think they're a team going into, you know, training camp, you know, last week saying, hey, this is our year to make the fucking playoffs. Like, we got to do it. You know, no one's getting younger There. So it's, it's a big year for them. And are they putting too much stock in Wolf? I don't know. Like, for a guy that he, I mean he's proven, but he's not very proven. But I, I think he's got the game, I think he's got the, the will. Everything you hear from him, he's just a dog too. Like undersized guy. Just fought for everything. So I, I, I got them in the playoffs. I want them to do well.

[Ryan Whitney]

Love that. I really couldn't hear a word. Oh, biz.

[Keith Yandle]

No, I, I made out most of it.

[Ryan Whitney]

Okay.

[Keith Yandle]

I made out most of it. I love, I love when Yan gets going. He's, he seems excited about the Calgary Flames.

[Ryan Whitney]

I know, I'm looking at their, you know, last year Kadri led the team in scoring with 67 points. Maybe Coronado pops off. He had 47 last year at the big extension. I don't know. I, we'll see.

[Keith Yandle]

You know, if, if they don't, I'm curious to know, I don't know if. Did Anderson the defenseman sign an extension?

[Ryan Whitney]

No.

[Keith Yandle]

Defenseman who's making just over 4 million. I think he makes under 5. If, depending on what happens with that team, that could be a massive boatload return at the deadline if they were to move off of them. But we'll see. I think the, the, the season's going to go a little bit better than expected in, in Calgary land and I think they actually might have a better year than the Edmonton Oilers.

[Ryan Whitney]

Okay, well, that's getting a little ridiculous. We'll actually stick in Alberta though. And I was kind of shocked about the hatred for the Oilers. New third jerseys. Throw them up here, G. I mean, I, I don't. Fuck, I look at now here, here's the biggest issue in this picture. If you haven't noticed. There's a C on the jersey. It has number 25 on it. So I, I don't know the PR person. I, I think you just, you gotta make, you gotta make that 97. I, I don't, I don't love with all the noise already. You can't, you can't drop the new jersey picture with a captain. The C on a jersey of non 97. I don't love that. It creates a little bit more noise that I have to deal with. Yeah, me, not the players, me. So in terms of the jersey, dude, I mean, I don't know how this is. Why is this jersey getting so much hate?

[Biz Nasty]

I like it.

[Ryan Whitney]

It's a little Throwback looks pretty good. Oilers. I don't necessarily think they need the orange line above and beneath the Oilers the word Oilers. But I, I, the hatred for this jersey, it's more just jealousy of the Oilers success the past four seasons and going to cup finals and conference finals and losing to Stanley cup champions the last four years. So I'm going to tell everyone to shut the up now. Not having 97 be the number with the C on it. I, I can't, I can't say I agree with that one.

[Keith Yandle]

The passing of the torch. G, G, you, you like to chime in on these jerseys.

[G]

I think it's unequivocally the worst jersey in the league. I think you have one of the best logos in the league in Ed. Why are you writing out a logo like writing out the team name? No team does that write out Edmonton. If you slap that unbelievable Edmonton Oilers logo on that front of that jersey with the cream, that would look incredible. But they wrote Oilers incursive at least, at the very least, put Edmonton rep, the city that you're playing in. But Oilers incursive. That, that's like a fucking midget C team jersey.

[Ryan Whitney]

That's brutal.

[Keith Yandle]

Compared it to the Regina Pats, it might have been army in the group chat. I, I don't have any hate for it. I, it's like it's maybe a little bit on the bland side, but I agree with G. Like when I see their normal jerseys, whether home or away, I think that that is an iconic jersey that should not be messed with. They have done a lot of weird things in the past.

[Ryan Whitney]

They've had some bad third jerseys.

[Keith Yandle]

Like the oil, the oil drop thing has a little bit of a metallic feel to it. But yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm right slap dab in the middle. But if you got to sell jerseys in order to get, get McDavid his number and bring in a little bit more extra revenue, do what you got to do.

[Ryan Whitney]

Well, that's coming from G. I don't know if you saw the Bruins, the, the, the, the, the logo. The B is like way too big, Way too big, way too big. So, you know, you could talk about midget triple C platinum half elite teams wearing the Oilers jerseys. McDavid flying up and down the ice giving dry style tappings. I don't care what they're wearing. They could be wearing business jock with this garter belt he's wearing right now. This is buttony. All his, all his. Oh, oh, Jesus Christ. And there's. Why does he have a pimple in the groin.

[Keith Yandle]

Because I'm ready for shave.

[Ryan Whitney]

You might need a wax job around your grundle. But I, I don't dislike.

[Keith Yandle]

I told this story before for initiation when I was in junior, they made us wear these old school girls volleyball outfits and get up in front of the whole school and sing. I think it was the national anthem. And obviously I had been growing hair on my inner thighs and one of the people in the front row were like, nice sideburns, buddy, while I was singing the national anthem. So that was a pretty embarrassing moment when I was 16 years old at my French immersion high school, I believe it was called Chippewa.

[Ryan Whitney]

In from Chippewa to Davenport, what a run you had.

[Keith Yandle]

Davenport reached out via dm. Yeah, they're like, yeah, congrats on learning the moon moves. They want me to like come drop a puck at a game or something like that. I have to read the.

[Biz Nasty]

They have a team.

[Keith Yandle]

They have a hockey team. Yeah. I don't know where it's located, but.

[Ryan Whitney]

That'S why Biz went to the. Oh, he couldn't make it.

[Biz Nasty]

Oh, that's true.

[Ryan Whitney]

And Biz, you didn't even mention off the start of the show, not only did Davenport reach out via dm, Teddy Roosevelt Museum reached out by.

[Keith Yandle]

That's right, Teddy Roosevelt there. They were fired up that I mentioned his legacy. And there was a few other things like we keep talking about. Our people are talking about the fact that the Octagon is going to be making its way to the front lawn of the White House.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah.

[Keith Yandle]

Teddy Roosevelt put a boxing ring there.

[Biz Nasty]

Did he?

[Keith Yandle]

When he was president. And when people would come visit, he would scrap them. And at one point he scrapped someone and he got popped in the eye. And people say that he legally lost sight in that one eye where he got popped in, but he wouldn't admit to it. He would just be like, no, no, I'm good. I don't know, I can shit on my eye. But like, he legit had blindness in that eye that he got popped in. So the, the more I learn about this guy, he was just a renaissance man. And, and to go back to it was. Did you see the picture of. It was more of a booklet, not just folded up paper that saved his life that the speech was written on. And what's even crazier about that, I don't think I mentioned it, is when he got shot, he didn't stop the speech.

[Ryan Whitney]

He got shot.

[Keith Yandle]

He's a nail gun. He finished the speech and then they Went and addressed the bullet that maybe scraped him while after it got through his. His little booklet that was in his pocket chest. So just a remarkable man where the fun facts just keep on coming.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah, big time. You know, we had a president who, who got shot and a book stopped it and he was fighting people in the White House in his homemade ring. And your president's out there, he can't even shoot a wrist shot. And he ruined the Oilers season at the pre game skate at Madison Square Garden. So, you know, things are different between the United States.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah, but we're getting a pipeline, okay. Eventually.

[Ryan Whitney]

Fair pipeline. Let's head over to New York before we throw to Sean Avery. There were some Vancouver Canucks fans just fuming over the news. Pasha, Pasha. Pasha must have just been crying in his bowl of. Bowl of sushi that he brought home from Japan. J.T. miller named captain of the New York Rangers and I mean immediately starts talking about their training camp shirts, which the letters BS are crossed out. No bullshit on this team. We're showing up, we're skating, we're hitting, we're physical. Every single night teams are going to say, oh shit, the Rangers are in town. This is going to be one of those nights that we got to be on our game and we cannot be shying away from contract contact. J.T. miller, the man pegged as the next captain of New York Rangers.

[Keith Yandle]

So two things I'll say the meme that people were posting of the coach in the locker room slapping all the guys faces to wake the fuck up. As in, this is going to be J.T. miller in the locker room. Loved it. That was the one takeaway online I got from it, other than Vancouver fans crying and start the rumblings even more. Makes a lot more sense that Quinn Hughes might want to go play with his old buddy in New York. Come on down to Broadway. We never got Pasha's thoughts on that, by the way.

[Ryan Whitney]

Oh no, I think we did. In the group chat in which he said Luke Hughes will be signed tomorrow. Luke Hughes hasn't signed yet, boys.

[Keith Yandle]

You think the captain in New York might have changed things?

[Ryan Whitney]

Can we get Pasha on here or is he still just with his chopsticks and his soy sauce and oh, I'm here, I'm here. Oh. So Luke Hughes has not signed yet, correct?

[Unknown Guest]

That is correct.

[Keith Yandle]

But I heard they offered five times. Five and a half.

[Unknown Guest]

No, he'll be signing any day now. But you can. I was listening to the pod last week, just punching my screen because I had a lot to say about this. Quinn Hughes Jack Hughes, Luke Hughes, the Rangers thing. And I said this to, to wit off air.

[Ryan Whitney]

Dumbest take everyone get ready. The dumbest take this.

[Unknown Guest]

I will take this to my grave. There is a better chance of Connor McDavid playing the KHL than all three Hughes brothers playing on the Rangers. And I, I stand strongly by that because. Because let me.

[Ryan Whitney]

You're ruining your reputation.

[Biz Nasty]

Zero chance.

[Ryan Whitney]

You're ruining your reputation as a puck knower.

[Unknown Guest]

I think one has 0% chance, the other one has 0.1% chance. But I think the odds of some crazy KHL owner saying here's $50 million, come play for us for one year has a much better chance of somehow all three Hughes brothers contracts lining up. Rangers having 40 million cap space, them saying fuck the Devils, let's go to the Rangers. I maintain my stance.

[Ryan Whitney]

I'm also seeing. No, let me see another thing here. In a product, in a Chicklets production meeting that I was not a part of, you went on a rant that Luke Hughes is better than Brock Faber. Like this is when you're just showing no puck knowledge. Nothing of the sort of knowing the game of puck. Like I said, I don't know where your brain goes. Sometimes I think how is Luke Hughes a better overall defenseman than Brock Faber?

[Unknown Guest]

I think Brock Favor is a hell of a player, but he's not very good at defending off the rush. And I think the only reason he was on that USA team is because of the Bill Garon connection. I think the world of Brock Faber. But if you want to fucking circle back to me in two years, three years, Luke Hughes will be widely regarded as a better defenseman than Brock favor.

[Keith Yandle]

When fucking McDavid's love, when fucking McDavid's rocking a Moscow Dynamo jersey, Favor was like the best defenseman in that tournament. He's going to have Gucci skate or Louis Vuitton tucks on.

[Ryan Whitney]

I just think to, to. To actually believe that it's more likely that one of the greatest players we've ever seen goes to the khl. More than three players ending up with an original six franchise in one of the biggest markets in the league is so dumb.

[Keith Yandle]

Like do you message with them? Do you mess it? Did. Did any of them have any comments about what I said or do you not. Are you go silent right now during contract negotiations?

[Unknown Guest]

Never bring up that absurd question quote to Quinn. I mean he's the only one of them that I chat with regularly, but I would never bring up that thing. But let me ask you.

[Keith Yandle]

So he hasn't Denied it.

[Unknown Guest]

I mean, I guess technically, yes.

[Ryan Whitney]

Great call biz. Great call biz.

[Unknown Guest]

Let me ask you this though. Theoretically, if that fantasy thing happens and let's say K chill team offers McDavid 50 million, would it not be kind of a decent play to sign there, make 50 sheets, and then come back and sign one year like $1 million deals with like.

[Ryan Whitney]

I think it's the dumbest thing you've ever said. I actually think it's the dumbest thing. It's the dumbest thing you've ever said. Is that, that he's trying to win a Stanley Cup. He's going to waste a year in his prime in, in Russia.

[Unknown Guest]

He can sign for 50 million, get his bag, and then come back and sign one year deals with like the cream of the crop teams.

[Keith Yandle]

Tax free too, wit. Tax free. And then he can win a gargantuan cup.

[Ryan Whitney]

It is so dumb. This is crushing our podcast as a, as a source, as a, as a hockey, as a puck knowing podcast. You guys are crippling us.

[Biz Nasty]

It's, it's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

[Ryan Whitney]

Put some credence to it.

[Keith Yandle]

I just, it would be kind of sick.

[Ryan Whitney]

Oh yeah, sick. None of us get to watch McDavid play.

[Keith Yandle]

I'd love to see him with one of those Russian bowl cuts. When. Come on, you'd like to see that, wouldn't you?

[Ryan Whitney]

Let me see if I can get the best pick haircut I've ever seen in a Russian from my teammate in Sochi. I took a picture.

[Biz Nasty]

What about that coach?

[Keith Yandle]

So you're basically. Imagine KHL went full live on, on the NHL and started offering deals like that. If they offered him a hundred million for a season, do you think you would be dumb not to take it?

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah, they could be an idiot to.

[Keith Yandle]

Go there for one year. 100 sheets.

[Ryan Whitney]

It's a year. It's another year. He's not winning the stand. You think this guy cares about money, dude, but, but then he can go.

[Unknown Guest]

Sign for league men on the best team.

[Ryan Whitney]

The fact that this is a real conversation is pathetic.

[Biz Nasty]

It's not a real conversation.

[Keith Yandle]

We're in simulation.

[Ryan Whitney]

This is first. This, this kid's haircut on my team in Russia.

[Biz Nasty]

Wit can find picture. Oh my God.

[Ryan Whitney]

Russian is the guy next.

[Keith Yandle]

I've had worse fades than that. To be fair.

[Ryan Whitney]

That fade, that fatal haunts dies. I, I, he didn't speak a word of English. I said just turn around.

[Keith Yandle]

Hey, what about, what about that other photo that got sent to the group chat? Not Too long ago that, that, that coach is there.

[Biz Nasty]

Amazing.

[Keith Yandle]

That was a tough salad. I don't know if we could bring that one up.

[Ryan Whitney]

That was so Russian. I love that one.

[Biz Nasty]

Oh, that one's incredible. But, yeah, I mean, to get back to the point, he's never going to the khl. I, I would know that.

[Ryan Whitney]

But the Houston never going to the Rangers.

[Keith Yandle]

One about 100 million and he gets the, the Putin gold card for the rest of his life. And it could be passed down to. To family member, like, throughout his lineage.

[Ryan Whitney]

That would go over well in. In Canada for sure.

[Biz Nasty]

This is, this is why cameramen never Come on. Oh, my God.

[Keith Yandle]

Look at this guy right here. Oh, my God.

[Ryan Whitney]

I was looking for it.

[Biz Nasty]

That's.

[Keith Yandle]

I love that salad.

[Biz Nasty]

That's not taking your hat off when you get a haircut.

[Keith Yandle]

That's. That's better than Ibiza Final Boss.

[Ryan Whitney]

No.

[Keith Yandle]

Have you seen that guy? The AB Final Boss with.

[Ryan Whitney]

No.

[Keith Yandle]

Oh, I just. This guy who went viral. He had the worst salad and like, I believe he was in Ibiza at the time. And he, he just like this, like, he's basically like a Jersey Shore guy with a Russian cut like the one we just saw. So they started calling him Ibiza Final Boss.

[Ryan Whitney]

I have seen that guy. I didn't know that.

[Keith Yandle]

I want to say they just paid him like 80 grand to do a DJ set where he doesn't even DJ. So this guy's just capitaliz off of.

[Ryan Whitney]

His meme n's haircut's better than all of them, so.

[Keith Yandle]

Oh, I, I. So did you see that live stream? Bet I had.

[Ryan Whitney]

That was.

[Biz Nasty]

Hey, no, it almost.

[Ryan Whitney]

You.

[Sean Avery]

You.

[Ryan Whitney]

You really should have lost that.

[Keith Yandle]

What do you mean I should have lost that? They tried to talk me into 20,000 likes. I said, no, if in an Hour this gets 25,000 likes, I'll. Which was a post that we were putting from our live stream when me and Donnie were on our peeking adventure because he always does a full day livestream throughout the process. I said that if the video clip got 25,000 likes, that I would get in the Dew's bowl cut and I was going to throw on a track Seedo and I would wear that for the first broadcast in Vegas for Mitchie Marner's debut on the TNT October 8th. It got close and they tried to talk me down to 20,000 likes and it ended up getting 20,000 likes.

[Ryan Whitney]

I beg. I retweeted it and begged people, beg people to like the post.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah, didn't happen. So. So thank God. But I Mean, I'll probably have just as bad of a salad.

[Ryan Whitney]

And I mean you're showing your, your, your, your grundle area to the entire world on YouTube right now. So I don't think it's too big of a deal if you had the oh my God.

[Biz Nasty]

Jesus.

[Ryan Whitney]

Holy final thing on J.T. miller. Just amazing that Pasha can't stand the guy. He plays the game right. He plays it hard. He's a on the ice, he could score, he could pass, he could skate. And now he's the captain of the posh's most.

[Unknown Guest]

Yeah, but he doesn't play defense.

[Ryan Whitney]

Oh my God. He should go to the KHL then.

[Sean Avery]

You should him and Davo.

[Ryan Whitney]

Perfect spot.

[Unknown Guest]

Mickey Mouse franchise.

[Ryan Whitney]

So Mick Davidoff.

[Keith Yandle]

He might, he might after seeing those new jerseys with.

[Ryan Whitney]

Biz, lift the goddamn camera up right now.

[Biz Nasty]

Seriously, I'm gonna puke. Biz.

[Ryan Whitney]

Biz, lift the goddamn camera up right now.

[Keith Yandle]

Game on.

[Ryan Whitney]

With that, I think it's time to throw it over to Sean Avery, one of our boys. He's been on quite a few times. This was a great chat. We talk a lot about the current NHL. We talk a lot about his teams he follows. Big in the Rangers, big in the Lightning. Talk all things NHL and talk about some. Some cool acting news. So always interesting, always entertaining. Sean Avery and his new book, Summer Skateboard. You want to talk about a Rangers player getting dirty in the Hamptons in.

[Keith Yandle]

The summer, don't let your wife read it.

[Ryan Whitney]

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[Sean Avery]

Great to be here, gentlemen. Great to be here, gentlemen. First of all, did Brad Marchand go on the record and say that Florida and the state of Florida and the Florida Panthers are a team that circumvents the cap via no state tax?

[Ryan Whitney]

He actually brought it up. And now all the haters like myself have some, some feeling of kind of accomplishment. Like if a player on their own team's saying it, then it's true. So I'm glad you brought that up because biz, biz actually is the original OG guy who brought it to the attention of the world. But when their own players are saying it aves, what are they going to say now?

[Sean Avery]

Well, are they going to create some sort of luxury tax against Dallas, Florida? Is that Nashville included?

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah, Seattle.

[Ryan Whitney]

Seattle. Seattle hasn't done much with it yet.

[Biz Nasty]

Utah.

[Ryan Whitney]

Well, I, I, I think biz, you said one time, like, what can they actually do about it? It's too confusing when you try to figure it out based on if a guy were to get traded. I don't know though.

[Keith Yandle]

Well, don't look at me. I didn't even know the moon moon moved. What I said, well, don't look at me. I didn't even know the moon moved. So I don't know what rocket Scientologist they got there at the league to hit the calculator buttons, maybe get the Texas instrument out, but I don't know what they're going to do. Clearly, it's an advantage. People like to use the argument of, of it wasn't really an issue when the cap was at like 40, 50 million when all this began. But clearly as the cap goes up, it's becoming more and more of a separation and clearly more of an advantage. And it was just nice and refreshing to hear Brad Marchand be the voice of reason once again and, and set the, set the record straight. So do you have any genius ideas, Abes, as to how they can equal this out?

[Sean Avery]

Well, yeah, I'll tell you this. Traditionally you would say that New York and LA had an advantage because players wanted to play in those cities. Both have the highest state tax, probably out of all the states. So I think it's a seasonal thing. I think, you know, Florida has been great with two different teams and I think that that's come up. Dallas obviously hasn't got over the hump and they don't have state tax. So, you know, I, I, I, I'd like to say this and I told, I told Grinelli that I wanted to talk about this. I called Brendan Shanahan yesterday and I got his ear for, we Talked for about 15 minutes and I said, let's make this a very clear conversation, Shani, because I have full clarity now. If you could go back and you could cut a couple of heads off in your scouting room, would you have done it? Because in my opinion, these salaries now, if you are not building through the draft and you have bottom six players that when a great bottom six player Hits free agency and now he's going to command 5.4 million, but he's really only worth 3, 6. You don't chase and you keep that extra 2 million because you have another kid on the bottom six that's going to take that guy's spot. And that's done through drafting, drafting, drafting. And if you got some fucking volunteer firefighter from Peterborough that's in charge of your sixth, seventh and eighth round pick, to me that's irresponsible. You should be paying your scouts that go and find those gems in the bottom rounds, like Mika Parsons. A fifth round pick. Different sport, but that's what you need to build a fucking team. And I'm critical of the Rangers and Drury, and he just keeps going and hiring his buddies and these guys. Like, I don't know what he's doing. Okay, but if you're not building through the draft, then you're a loser. You're a sucker. Chasing free agents, chasing those dollars. It's a loser game.

[Ryan Whitney]

It also has been been proved where I think, like, you think back to Chicago, some of these other teams winning cups with like major contributions from guys making 925, right? David Boland. Yeah, like bowling. I. I mean, what was Verstig making at the time when they won the first one? Like, all these different guys. Now that's my problem with Edmonton, that they had Hallway and Broberg that wanted just a couple pennies and they let them go. So it's like they drafted those guys. So if you draft them and then they show promise, they're already in the league on their entry level. Then it's like, all right, we got, we got to hold on to them. Especially when hallway wanted like 1.4 million, whatever it was. So, yeah, I'm with you. The question is how hard is it to find, like, how hard is it to find a kid that you're like, I think we can get this kid in the fourth round. He's going to play in the NHL. That's where you're saying you need to have scouts who are dialed well.

[Sean Avery]

Yes. And Shannon made a good point. He said, you know, I've had scouts say to me, this guy's going to play. And there's a difference between this guy's going to play and this guy's going to win.

[Ryan Whitney]

Right?

[Sean Avery]

Wojtek Wolski. I love Wols. Okay, great guy. I love him to death. Real beauty, actually. But he was going to play, but was he going to win? And I think that that's the thing that you Got to start differentiating. So a guy's got a little bit more muster on his stick and he's got moves and he puts up points in the regular season versus who's the fucking dogs that are going to get better over the year and be great in the playoffs.

[Keith Yandle]

That was a random name. What made you think of Wojtek Wolski?

[Sean Avery]

Pretty good example.

[Ryan Whitney]

No, he was a first rounder.

[Keith Yandle]

I would say, I would say more for especially the late rounds. To me is a lot of teams, they try to like, they try to be the team that drafts maybe this skill guy where they think it's going to turn into the next Pavel Datsuk or maybe the next Zetterberg. Where Caprice, what's that?

[Ryan Whitney]

Caprisov? Late, late pick.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah. Where I, I, I don't maybe feel like they draft to plug a guy into a certain spot where like I'm okay with a, with a fifth six round pick going to get that 6, 5 defenseman where maybe you're saying, okay, maybe he's not the, the best skater, but we want to use this guy as a penalty kill guy who's a shutdown guy who's going to block shots and who's going to also intimidate the other team where I feel like maybe a lot of teams don't do enough of that. Like I'm always very complimentary of the LA Kings and how they drafted develop because especially when I was there and you've seen it over the years where especially with late round picks, like they'll take those kind of guys and then develop them into those certain positions where they're not trying to hit the home run every time. They just realize that they're going to have to plug in that fourth or fifth defenseman at a certain point when that guy ends up moving on or he ends up going to get paid in free agency where it's over the amount of money that you're talking about. So yeah, I, I mean obviously it's a good point and I feel like the only way to do, to get good teams now is to draft and develop because how often do good free agents even hit the market anymore? Like there's never.

[Sean Avery]

Yeah, I mean, don't you guys remember what camps used to be like, like where you would go in and you go fuck, there might be four of us fighting for this fourth line job. Right. Six defensemen, whatever it was. And I feel like that depth has been lost. They got too many players that are the same and do the same thing.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah. And I wonder now being out of the game as long as we've been, Keith has obviously, you know, played way more recently. But I wonder if camp is still as competitive because the camps we were at, like you just brought it up, you know, there was say maybe two line, two spots up at forward, one spot at D with 10 guys realistically trying to get it. And I, now the teams maybe picked a little bit more. I, I, this is kind of an open ended question, but I don't know. And certainly the competitive part of it when we were there was like fighting, right? And that definitely doesn't happen.

[Keith Yandle]

I didn't even have a chance to make the team and I was fighting Dan Carillo before the scouts had their coffee. Like it's, it's definitely a lot different. And, and here's another one for you guys. Like, I think a good example is Patrick Sharp. I think Patrick Star Sharp started playing in third, fourth lines in the American League when he first hopped in where God, God forbid some skilled player from, from junior college goes to the minors and plays on the third and fourth line. His agents getting a call. You got the dad calling the team. We guys got, we got guys dads doing interviews whether, if they don't get an Olympic roster nod for, for the camps. So there's a lot of involvement on, on that type of level as well where like, like I don't even think, I don't even think my dad knew I was at training camp when I was at training camp, for fuck sakes.

[Sean Avery]

Well, Chicago's an interesting example because remember Mark Bell, Kyle Calder, the depth that they had like their drafts, they would go, you could go down that board. Carcillo, they had fucking killers. And you know, you could go to camp and maybe you could take Mark Bell's job. Like there was a chance you still had to go in there fighting. But yeah, I, I, I don't know. I, I'm, I'm just really disappointed at like the Rangers are doing this whole centennial thing. So December 2nd, I guess is fan favorite night. So they have to invite me to that one, right? And I'm toeing the line because these fucking guys better come out and, and play serious hockey. Panari needs to redeem himself. Whatever shit went on last year, whatever trouble he got, whatever weird thing they tried to sweep under the rug, you know, and announce it like Stanley cup finals, sort of slide it in. Slow news day. Mika with the dry hair. This guy needs to come back and be a player. If he's not going to play, you know, what Good are you J.T. miller. Great step. Great step. Okay, now let's.

[Ryan Whitney]

You like him being captain? You like him being captain? Yes.

[Sean Avery]

Yeah.

[Keith Yandle]

I wouldn't worry too much. From my understanding, they're going to be getting the Hughes brothers, so I wouldn't concern myself too much with. With the Rangers. That's just what I'm hearing.

[Sean Avery]

So what I heard, just take the year off.

[Ryan Whitney]

I. I think that based on some things I've heard, like Drury talk to Zaben, he had the bened, however you say it, and was like, hey, like, we. We need way more. Way more. I mean, that guy's contract isn't even close to being over. So if he's like, he's been the last, like, year and a half, it's like, they're really fucked. He's. He is the most. Him and Fox for me, because I know you're Rangers, Lightning guy, him and Fox for me, if they have big years, they're in the playoffs. No doubt Shousterkin's gonna be good. It's just when he's getting 48 shots a game, what the fuck's he supposed to do?

[Biz Nasty]

I think that's one of the reasons why they named J.T. captain, because he'll call anybody out. I played with him. You saw what happened in Vancouver. Like, he will call anybody out. And he shows up every game. He plays like an animal 95% of the games, which is a lot in the NHL. So I think that's definitely the right call. Naming him captain just because he'll. Guys will be afraid to, you know, play like a bitch one game because he'll come in and call you out in front of everyone. He'll call you out. You know, I practiced the next day, so I think it's a huge step for them.

[Keith Yandle]

Aaves, do you think it's kind of a bad look, though, that they trade for J.T. miller and he's already captain? Like, does that speak volumes to, like, maybe the identity of that locker room?

[Sean Avery]

Well, yeah. And again, development, like K Andre Miller. I mean, how long did you hang on to K. Andre Miller trying to develop him? I mean, come on. Come on.

[Ryan Whitney]

You know, Tough one, though. It's like a big D, man who could skate. Like, I, as a gm, I'd be like, like, there's something here. But I know what you're saying.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah, but Abes, is that more of a, of. Of a coach's job developing? Because I feel like the last few that they have, like, they, they have it. They're. They're not exactly Young guys who are maybe interested in doing that. Like Laviolette. He's on the.

[Biz Nasty]

It shouldn't be a development league though. Yeah, that's what the Miners is for.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah.

[Keith Yandle]

He's. I would. I think we can all agree Keandre Miller is not an AHL defenseman though, right?

[Biz Nasty]

Of course. Yeah.

[Keith Yandle]

So.

[Sean Avery]

No. But you know, remember his first couple of years, he wasn't an NHL ready defenseman and they brought him in too early. They tried to push that way too quick.

[Biz Nasty]

I think it's also too. And you mentioned it about drafting, you know, not the same guys, skilled guys. Like, it takes a lot. If you're a top end defenseman in junior putting up big numbers, it's got to be a big blow to be like, hey, dude, you're the five, six here. You just got to play shut down minutes enough with trying to lug the puck up, just make a first pass and get off the ice. So it's figuring out what you are in the league too. And that might come a little longer for some guys.

[Keith Yandle]

I always ask another big question here. You talked. Yeah. As you said, the comment like, well, it's not a development league, so who's. Who's to blame for the fact that the league's got so young so fast where it kind of has turned into a bit of a development league. Like all these, all these like guys who turn 30 who are great players and you know, maybe they wouldn't have the best training camps and not that good within the first 10, 15 games because they had to get their motors going. But all of a sudden these guys were disposed of. They couldn't find jobs. And then all of a sudden you got these fucking 23 year olds running around where, yeah, they probably look good in training camp in the first 15 games, but the hockey sense ain't there. They. They haven't been.

[Ryan Whitney]

That's the cap. That's the, that's the cap. Where, Where. We talked at the beginning about getting a guy who could do the same thing as that 30 year old for 900.

[Sean Avery]

But again that's. That's also coaching. Like if I'm Mike Sullivan and I played for Mike Sullivan, I know Mike Sullivan won Stanley Cups in Pittsburgh. I mean, oh God, I don't. The future does not look bright in New York. I mean, Mike Sullivan wants to.

[Biz Nasty]

It's the same hire.

[Sean Avery]

He's a fucking dope, okay. In my opinion. Now, I don't know, maybe he's changed and he connects with these young guys now. But I want the new York Rangers, third and fourth line to not ever do anything except get to the red line and dump pucks. You want to become an NHL player? Develop your game the right way. Be a fucking grinder that I can put out there in any situation. Get your Corsi rating up because you, you, you're hungry on pucks, Play one way. Don't try and play on any other way. And then in year four, you're going to be ready to take the next step, okay? So we can keep this a development league, but play one way while you're developing. And don't fucking try and do too much because I need bottom six guys to just wear the other team's DL.

[Ryan Whitney]

Which, by the way, is what Marshawn did. It was quick, but Marshawn was a fucking third, fourth liner. And then all of a sudden, okay, I got my. Like I do look, I'm looking at the Rangers depth chart right now. Like their third and fourth line on this sheet. Gabe Perot, whatever. Could be a great player. Young, we'll see you. So Parsonin, Johnny Brodzinski, Adam Edstrom, who's enormous but doesn't really hit anyone.

[Sean Avery]

Doesn't hit anyone.

[Ryan Whitney]

Sam Carrick and Taylor Radish. So, like, I don't know, I mean.

[Biz Nasty]

Need some more Western leaguers on your bottom six.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah, guys drinking beers out of the womb.

[Biz Nasty]

But it's also too. Like, we talked to Dallas Drake the other day and like, you were a free agent when we all started, when you were 31 years old. Nowadays, you're gone. So, like, like Whit just said, it does have a lot to do with the cap. And you know where free agent guys are free agents now at what, 25, 26? Depends if you play at 18.

[Sean Avery]

Which means. Which means the development window technically should be much smaller, right?

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah.

[Keith Yandle]

Here's another one for you. I mean, you talked about, like, how they should play one way. Like, even from an entertainment aspect, like the first half of the season sometimes, like, I'm doing games at TNT and I'm like, oh, my God, we got Detroit and Buffalo. They haven't made playoffs since crisis of cowboy. And I think I could count two or three hits in the first period. I'm saying, who the are these guys not playing their dicks off? Like, what are you saving it for? You gotta. You gotta. You got a golf tournament to get ready for in the off season. Like, what's going on here? Like, let's bruise these shoulders up a little bit.

[Sean Avery]

Yeah, well, that's coaching and that's Obviously also, you know, a gm. I mean, the days of getting on the bus and having Glenn say, they're like, side eye. Because he's just disgusted with how you played. He doesn't say anything, just disgusted. And you know, man, if this guy wakes up in the middle of the night tonight and he had a bad dream, I could be fucking gone. You know, just. That's it. So I, I, I don't know. Kevin Allen. Is that the GM of Buffalo?

[Ryan Whitney]

Adams.

[Keith Yandle]

Kevin Adams.

[Sean Avery]

Evan Adams. He wasn't even. I played a lot against him. He's so unfucking memorable. I didn't even know his last name, but, like, if I'm Mr. Pegula, I'm not giving the keys to the castle to that guy. I, I need fucking more accountability, and I need it from top to bottom in the organization, including that fucking scout in Peterborough who's just not giving me enough guys out of the fifth round.

[Ryan Whitney]

Find. Yeah, find me some guys. It's funny you mentioned Buffalo biz, considering in all this we really haven't brought up the enormous contracts you get after 64 games played. Buffalo, that's an issue. They might lead the league in it. And then you talk about development and being a dog, but like, dude, I just got handed 47 million. Like, I'm fucking good. Like, I'm gonna sign another one of those.

[Keith Yandle]

So, so, so if, if you, since we're on that topic, like, and we talked about JT already, there was a big issue between JT and Pedersen because once he signed that deal last year, he came in out of shape. Like, he clearly hadn't put the work in in the off season, where, even from talking to people before he signed that deal where he's making 11 million a year, that if you would have asked, okay, what's his effort level and work ethic in, in practice from a day to day perspective. And out of 10, I got the numbers. Ah, some days you get a six, some days you get a seven. In what fucking planet are you handing over that type of money to a guy that how many, how many guys make over 10 million in the league? And if they do, how many of those guys are driving traffic every day in practice? When I played with, with Sid, bro, if you even dreamt of starting the drill off, he'd f. He'd probably send you to the minors himself. He says, tapping the shin pad. I'm starting it and I'm setting the tone. So the fact that a guy like that is getting that type of money and I'm hearing that he's got a six or seven work ethic and practice day in and day out. Now it's clear that he took this offseason a lot more seriously where he gained 13 pounds of muscle. He's probably going to have to find that dog in himself a lot more now that JT's gone and they have a lack of centerman and he's that one a guy now. But that to me is, is also like that to me is a glaring issue with, with, with certain players and what they're bringing game in, game out, day in, day out, and how they're treating themselves in the offseason to prepare for, for. For what a full 82 game slate is like. What type of luxury is that when you're making that type of money?

[Sean Avery]

Yeah, I, I also heard the same thing and I think J.T. miller Yan's would know he played with them. I think he's the type of guy that just can't probably keep it inside. If he's looking at a guy that's supposed to be, you know, his equal, superstar who fucks the document, I mean, it probably made him mad. He probably just went fucking crazy and just couldn't take it.

[Ryan Whitney]

I think that is, that sounds like is what happened. He took the leave and it's like, I think he literally couldn't stand it anymore. Now is that right or wrong? I don't know. But at least the captain now of the Rangers is somebody who you, you're never really going to be watching them and thinking like, all right, their leader isn't going tonight. He's not driving the net, he's not finishing hits. Like he'll do that for sure.

[Sean Avery]

Yeah. And again, remember JT came in there late last year, so he's got to be careful. He's coming out of a bad situation. If he starts fucking lighting up Mika with the dry hair, you know that gets dangerous. Right? You got to be careful. So hopefully, yeah.

[Keith Yandle]

But also in the same breath, it's like Mika's clearly at this point aware that there's going to be a way higher expectation of what he's bringing to the table right here. And if JT sees that, he's more worried about the mega mix he's putting together, you know, for, for pre game or, or for whatever nightclub he's going to be DJing at that week. Is he really a bad guy for lighting him up? Like, was that expectation not known from Pedersen coming in the season prior, especially after being handed that type of money? So I know it's easy for half the people to label JT as a bad guy for calling him out. But this is, this is professional sports here. And I understand there's a new way that these coaches and management have to talk to players and they're a little bit more a part of the conversation as opposed to like speaking down to them. But I don't know, man. I think a little bit more the old school way coming back is. Is not the worst thing. I'm not saying it should go full bore to where, you know, you got the Mike Keenan's of the world playing maybe some mind games, but I think that there's a. A nice balance in between to, to raise the level of accountability and bring guys outside their comfort zone. Especially at the fact that going back to those old days, they weren't even making a quarter of what these guys are getting paid now. Like it's fucking. Those are the guys who paved the way for them to make 11 sheets a year. So I don't know. I. That that's just kind of my opinion. I know we've been talking in circles a little bit. Do you have. Do you have any other in G said you have other things that you think you could contribute to building a winning organization. Is there anything else?

[Biz Nasty]

Draft. Well, draft.

[Sean Avery]

Well. Well, you have to. You have to draft. I mean it starts right there. And I think the org charts in these, in these organizations, as far as personnel and who you have and who you're relying on to go out every single night and watch games, you know, in shitty barns across the world, not just North America. You have to prioritize that. That has to be. And if you didn't play the game, get. First of all, you're off the list. I apologize, but like, I want, I want to walk into my scout room and go, oh yeah, Thomas Holmstrom definitely knows what a dog is, you know.

[Biz Nasty]

Right. But like you were saying, like the half these guys are, you know, volunteer firemen. So maybe the money's not there where ex players want to go out and go sit in a rink in the middle of Bemidji, Minnesota or whatever. So like you said with that $2 million that you're saving with like with Shanahan, you're losing that guy to another team. Spend that 2 million on bringing some, have four or five guys and just.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah, yeah, maybe start paying scouts way more.

[Sean Avery]

Yes, that's what I'm saying. Reversing that org chart not. It shouldn't be so top heavy when the most important guys are your guys that are out on the road trying to find your next fucking pick one Kachuk. I mean, it's not Kachuk. It's. It's Kirill. It's Caprisoft.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah.

[Biz Nasty]

I always wondered. It used to drive me insane. Not insane, I shouldn't say that, but, like, when the GMs would be at every game, be on every road trip eating meals. And the thing, it's like, dude, go out and scout, like, get a team. Get our. Like, go watch some teams and get us some players. Maybe instead of eating the filet for the 57th day in a row. I know I do the same exact thing.

[Keith Yandle]

But you look at some of the more successful ones, like Jim Nil, he ain't making five, six sheets. I think he's making probably two, maybe three. And he's making sure his guys are being taken care of. That's why he's got good scouts. That's how he poached him, I believe, over from Detroit. And that leads me to my next question with you, Waves. Are you a little bit more, I guess, lenient? Because Stevie, why right now, from, from at least an online and fan perspective, the. The patience is wearing thin because they haven't made playoffs. Do you feel that he's kind of building that foundation from the ground up where he's more developing these guys, drafting well, and it's taking a little bit longer to finally see the result. Like, what's your feeling on Stevie? Why? And how much leash do you give him? I mean, you played with him, right?

[Sean Avery]

Well, I'll use two things about Stevie, okay? When Stevie was the captain, Stevie and Ken Holland had a relationship like that. So when guys rolled into camp, okay, if a guy came into camp and he was a big ticket guy and he wasn't ready to go, that conversation between Steve and that player, it was rock solid. Because the player that wasn't bringing it knows that if Stevie goes to Kenny and says he's done, he's out, then he's fucking gone. And they had that relationship. Because you can't just build a team from the press box. You have to have input from the guys in the fucking room. You have to. That's your engine. So that's that piece of it. Now, as far as Stevie's scouting room, I'll go to war with that scouting room, and I think they're going to get it done. Draper, even a guy like Jesse Wallen, I mean, Jai played. Me and Jesse played in the fucking American League when it was Murderers Row. Wally played like he knows guys that play Hard. He knows. You know what I mean? So building and I think there's a bunch of other guys in there that I'm just.

[Ryan Whitney]

Cleary Draper. They got Gordle.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah. Boyd Gordon.

[Sean Avery]

Grant fucking played his bag off. I love tough guy to play against Boyd Gordon.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah, he was.

[Keith Yandle]

Oh he was a grumpy son of a. Just assy hands.

[Biz Nasty]

Holy.

[Ryan Whitney]

What's ironic about all this is that we the back to back cup champs actually didn't do it through the draft. I mean Ekblad and. And Barkov no doubt. So they did it with a lot of trades where they just fleece teams and free agency signing. Because I think a lot of guys want to play there. But the message still remains what we're saying in that that one team did it, they were able to do it. But no one else has really done done the cup champ thing through free agency and trades. Like at least not that I can remember. No.

[Sean Avery]

And, and.

[Ryan Whitney]

And they're going to be horrible at some point but they. You know, it doesn't matter now. They'll probably win another one.

[Sean Avery]

Right. But. But Ackman Larson. Ackman Larson, is that his name?

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah.

[Sean Avery]

Right. They got him via free agency but gave up nothing to get him.

[Biz Nasty]

No, he got bought out. I think by.

[Keith Yandle]

He got bought out in Vancouver and what Florida was good at is going to find the gems and Nate Schmidt filling in. Yeah, the Nate Schmidt's and filling the walls with. With those types of players. I mean Oliver I think was making 2 million bucks when he went over there. You kind of mentioned that GM conversation with the engine that's running the team here. I'll throw another one at you. I was like shocked especially seeing what he ended up signing for and Jake Gensel and the fact that Pittsburgh didn't just sign him because that was Crosby's guy. Do you think that Kyle Dubas ended up going down to Sid and saying hey this is what we're thinking about doing. Like what do you think we should do?

[Sean Avery]

I hope so.

[Ryan Whitney]

I'm guessing no.

[Keith Yandle]

It would have been like to me that's insane. If he didn't do that.

[Sean Avery]

I agree.

[Keith Yandle]

Because how does gate Jake Gensel end up? They they part ways with him. I believe they got Bunting back in a draft pick. No offense to. To Bunting, but he couldn't carry Jake Genel's jock and then he ends up signing a pretty reasonable contract for.

[Ryan Whitney]

For.

[Keith Yandle]

For what he provides as a free agent. Players like that should never get the free agency by the way. And he goes on to Tampa Bay, where, like, you can't tell me you're serious about winning. If you're the Pittsburgh Penguins and you don't resign Jake Gensel and give him probably what would have been a hometown discount based on what he provided. Like, is there a more clutch player in playoffs than Jake Gensl to provide?

[Sean Avery]

He's definitely top 10 right now. And at that point, was, was. Was high on the board. You know, I don't know what the initial offer was, but again, Tampa Bay, it's a no state tax.

[Keith Yandle]

You think that if they offer him a proper contract, he's considering even leaving Pittsburgh? Jake Gensel seems like a pretty cheap chill guy.

[Ryan Whitney]

The rumors were that. No, the rumors were that he wanted to stay.

[Keith Yandle]

So going back to what you said, like, if there's any guy in the league who should be consulted by his team if they should move on from a guy or not, it's probably Sidney Crosby.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah, so.

[Sean Avery]

And Kyle Dubas. I mean, my God, I mean, he pulled the wool over everybody's eyes. I mean, what the fuck did he do to the Toronto Maple Leafs? When you really dissect what he did, I mean, my good God, he got.

[Biz Nasty]

To be a super fan.

[Sean Avery]

Leaf fans are unbelievable. Like, they're. They're so.

[Ryan Whitney]

They're unbelievable.

[Sean Avery]

Dude, don't flip those.

[Keith Yandle]

Don't flip this conversation on me.

[Biz Nasty]

What do you mean? They're already planning the parade for this year, too. Now that they're the core four. That there's no core four, Just a complete shot at nice.

[Ryan Whitney]

And somebody said the key three.

[Sean Avery]

Well, well, I mean, Auston Matthews.

[Ryan Whitney]

If.

[Sean Avery]

There'S a guy right now in the league that I say that might not have the next gear to win, he might be at the top of my list. Elias Petterson might be second.

[Keith Yandle]

No, come on.

[Biz Nasty]

Now you're just copy. I didn't.

[Keith Yandle]

Now you're just stirring the fucking pot. Come on.

[Biz Nasty]

I think Poppy's got it in him.

[Keith Yandle]

Poppy's got it in him.

[Biz Nasty]

He just doesn't show it. Cause he can't because he's in Toronto. Like, outside. Like, he's not going to be calling guys out on the bench because he knows it'll be such a big deal. I. I think he's got it in him.

[Keith Yandle]

Thank you. To voice a reason.

[Sean Avery]

Right, But Yens, if that's the case, then you got to do what Steve Yzerman does and, and just go out there and put the team on your back, you know, and. And not take any fucking shifts off.

[Biz Nasty]

I mean, he really doesn't he's so good. I always think he's so good. 200 foot game. Like I got no complaints with Austin.

[Ryan Whitney]

How was he in games five through seven this year? Biz? I mean, game seven, the whole team was horrendous.

[Keith Yandle]

He was a beast in Game 6. I mean, he's the one who ended up making that. Or he, he scored the goal, the lone goal. And I believe he was playing injured and like. Yeah, maybe he's not. If he's not putting it in the back of the net. He's still such a reliable 200 foot guy. Like he, he's a horse. Like if you look at all the numbers and stuff like that. I, I don't, I don't. I don't agree with you. A. I think that. I think that, that he's an absolute horse.

[Sean Avery]

No, at 15 million, dude, you're. You're a game breaker.

[Keith Yandle]

You.

[Sean Avery]

I need more than a horse.

[Keith Yandle]

Oh, he's making 13 and a half.

[Sean Avery]

All right, but.

[Ryan Whitney]

Well.

[Keith Yandle]

Which is going to be a deal in, in Toronto.

[Biz Nasty]

That's four.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sean Avery]

Olivia Chow. That's the mirror.

[Keith Yandle]

This has been some great hockey conversation and we always appreciate your insight. Abes. Like you, you are an absolute gamer. Is it okay if I shift the conversation to summer skate? Now, what made you write this? What would you call it? Like a romance novel? A lust novel? Is it very extremely sexual? Does it flirt? That line kind of like you did as a player?

[Ryan Whitney]

Like how quickly. Before he answers Biz. Before he answers.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ryan Whitney]

And his audiobook. Before he answers his voice though.

[Sean Avery]

Sorry.

[Ryan Whitney]

The. One of the parts in the book, the. The woman is just. She's just obsessed with this guy. Like it's lust. She knows. She knows she shouldn't do anything. She's obsessed with him and she's laying. She's married. She is married. She's married. She's laying on the bed and she's just, you know, pardon my French here. She's jamming herself thinking of him, going at herself and then the next chapter. So it's chapter from her perspective and then the next chapter's him and it goes back and forth. So she's jamming herself and she's coming all over herself thinking of this man and this hockey player. And then it goes over to him and he is laying on the couch watching the 94 finals.

[Keith Yandle]

Reasonable.

[Ryan Whitney]

Vancouver versus the Rangers, talking about how good Alexi Kovalev is.

[Biz Nasty]

The moose is loose. Hey, did you have to get permission to use guys names?

[Ryan Whitney]

No, no.

[Sean Avery]

I guess it's. It's a fiction novel, so we all should know that it's not based in any reality.

[Biz Nasty]

So I guess you didn't say full names too, right? It was just cross D. No, I.

[Sean Avery]

Think I did say Mark Messier and made a moose is loose reference. There's a lot of Talbot, there's a lot of interesting Easter eggs. And by the way, Alexey Kovalev was sick. My God.

[Ryan Whitney]

Oh my God.

[Keith Yandle]

Dude, that would make me jam my box watching him stick handle.

[Biz Nasty]

He was the best.

[Sean Avery]

Where's he at these days? Like that type of player, you know, Reading your book. Fuck, I should get him 1. 94. He's a legend. Okay. So my agent says to me, you know that books are coming back. I said, I don't know, I thought books were dead like the Kindle and all that stuff. He said, no, the romance category. The romance category has single handedly brought books back to the forefront. Not just the romance category, there's two categories. Specifically sports romance, which is led by hockey. Crazy enough, hockey romance novels are the biggest category in the sports romance. Now outside of sports romance wit, it's fairy porn. It's. It's. You heard about this?

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah, I was, see, I was seeing a girl at the beginning of summer where like I had a party here in Oak Bay and her and another girl were talking about her and I was just like, oh, like that, that's a thing. And like, yeah, shockingly, they're like, oh, women are so down with all this like fantasy lust, like slash porn. And just to go back to the. The hockey correlation, like who else has a hockey romance novel? Like what other ones are popular?

[Sean Avery]

Well, it's funny, funny you should say that. Currently they're filming the, the, the most successful to date is called Off Campus, written by this gal, Al Kennedy. And Amazon's making it into a series right now. I actually auditioned for the dad role of the. The player.

[Biz Nasty]

That's.

[Sean Avery]

That. That's the star of the book. I can't remember his name. They didn't give it to me. They gave it to some fucking hack TV actor with a lot of TV credits. And I actually told the producer, I said this better be good because I mean, you went with the wrong guy. And I got a fucking flamethrower on social media and I'm not afraid to use it.

[Keith Yandle]

Somehow this Broadway pizza throwing incident kind of makes a little bit more sense the way that you're talking about this. But I digress. Keep going.

[Sean Avery]

Yeah, I've yet to do a play, so I don't even know if that story's real.

[Biz Nasty]

But.

[Sean Avery]

But so my. So my agent breaks it down for me and I said, great, like, let's go. Let's do this. He said, I've got a client that I represent, a female writer. She's from New York. Her dad's a die hard Ranger fan. Maybe you guys could kind of link up. Maybe you could do something together. Because although I did write all the male chapters, so it's two perspectives. We have a female protagonist and a male protagonist, Jessica. And Carter Hughes is the New York Ranger rookie that's living in the Hamptons and you know, they're going wild. He's got two guys that he played with at University of Vermont.

[Biz Nasty]

New Hampshire.

[Sean Avery]

New Hampshire, Sorry. I always mix those two up. Different states, right?

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah. Vermont and New Hampshire are different.

[Keith Yandle]

I'm still a ghost rider.

[Biz Nasty]

The moon goes around.

[Sean Avery]

It does Live free or die. So we met and it was quick. It was quick. What are we going to do? Well, we're going to write a romance novel that isn't just one book. Because the way these are successful, they're written in three or four. So there's parts to it. People get vested with these characters. They like to watch their journey. This is the first book Carter spends the summer in the Hamptons before the season starts. The second book will be his first year in New York as a rookie. You know, we leave you on a bit of a cliffhanger at the end of book one. There's a pop star in the city.

[Ryan Whitney]

That he's having relations with that he meets at Bond. Correct.

[Sean Avery]

At Zero Bond. Yeah.

[Keith Yandle]

Originally here with Zero Bond.

[Ryan Whitney]

The big time, like, member. I think it's. What, what. What was the place that used to be wicked private and tough to get into. And then everyone got in Soho House.

[Sean Avery]

It was like the boutique. Soho House. Zero Bonds. Scott Sartiano, my buddy Scott started it. He's really taking over New York. Yeah, Zero Bond, Taylor Swift, it's. It's like a. It was the Hot Members Club, the first one that came out of Soho House. So everything is based in real places. You know, some of these books, like off Campus, Shout Out Al Kennedy. I don't know, it's like. It's like CW bubblegum shit. I mean, this is real. We were all NHL players. Young, single, going to the cage.

[Keith Yandle]

I had 50 tucks my first year, so I was living it, going up to Saville Beach.

[Sean Avery]

You were at Sauble Beach?

[Keith Yandle]

How. How graphic does it get? I mean, Yan just mentioned the one girl's jamming her box while you're watching the 90A cup run.

[Ryan Whitney]

Like.

[Keith Yandle]

Like, like what's. Like the. What's the dirtiest thing that happens in a book? Is this player getting a rusty trombone? Like.

[Ryan Whitney]

Like, is she.

[Sean Avery]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think. I think there's some ass eating on the side of the road at a farm stand in the Hamptons. There's a lot.

[Keith Yandle]

Reflect what you like sexually. Is that part of the book?

[Ryan Whitney]

Well, you know what? He did project. You did project. I appreciated the panic of testing at camp. There's a lot. Carter's in there biz and he's panicked about camp testing. I was like, oh, my God, that's apes. That's. That's all of us.

[Keith Yandle]

Oh, yeah. He's probably. Instead of training, he was getting fart sucked out of his.

[Ryan Whitney]

Instead.

[Keith Yandle]

What does this pertain to? A lot of what you like. Like, is that how much?

[Sean Avery]

Well, it's interesting you should say that. Yeah. I mean, there's a scene that I think Carter Hughes likes to. To have his nipples licked while he's coming.

[Keith Yandle]

Never had that done.

[Ryan Whitney]

Men are too hairy.

[Sean Avery]

Well, to each his own, you know, I heard. What about heel flicked?

[Keith Yandle]

What about taking it in the hoop with a strap on? You think that's coming, like the second third book or something? Or.

[Ryan Whitney]

I. You know what?

[Sean Avery]

I think Carter, at some point will. There'll be some dabbling or he'll get himself. I mean, I'm sure he'll go to an Anderson Cooper Halloween party and have some straight actor who's not really straight put his hand down his pants, but from behind, like, not at the front, down the back, you know what I mean? To go to the old tickle underneath. So life imitates art, gentlemen. But I'd like to say this again. The audiobook is also fantastic. Yan's is listening. I do the male voice. And actually a friend of mine, an actor who I recently worked with his wife, she's also an actor, Emily Tremaine, she records the female voice. So it's so easy, it's fun. We read this shit, we need our minds filled. It bounces back and forth from perspective to perspective. People are reading this book in a few hours, they're reading it in a day. And it's real. Again, I'll say it. We know that this is real and the other shit is not real. Because, you know, and honestly, those books are written by women that didn't play the game and we did. And we can all get in here. We can all get in here. No limitations. Me and fucking Yance could write one together about, you know. Did you ever go to Brainerd, Minnesota, to the. To train Brainerd?

[Keith Yandle]

No.

[Ryan Whitney]

He did. I did. You did? Wit.

[Sean Avery]

There we go. Yeah, there we go.

[Ryan Whitney]

That's a nice summer setting, too, for a book, for romance.

[Sean Avery]

Beautiful.

[Ryan Whitney]

Me and Bugsy did shrooms getting ready for US Olympic camp. Good way to prepare.

[Keith Yandle]

Okay, there you go.

[Ryan Whitney]

There you go.

[Keith Yandle]

Okay.

[Sean Avery]

There you go.

[Keith Yandle]

You're not the only guy, eh?

[Sean Avery]

There you go. That's the reality, is that, you know, you don't know until you really know. You look behind the curtain. We're pretty open books. We don't hide it. But there's a reality to, you know, who these guys are and how hard they like to go. And I think that we've kind of summarized this, and I think it's a great read. And Barnes and Noble, Indigo, fucking chapters. Amazon, New York.

[Keith Yandle]

How many do you have to sell? Like, is there like a. What's the. How does that work?

[Sean Avery]

How many do I have to sell? I did a new deal. I did a deal. I took. We took essentially zero upfront money, and we're 50, 50 partners, which is the only way you can really fucking do it in this business now. You gotta have some space.

[Biz Nasty]

Trust yourself.

[Sean Avery]

Yes, exactly.

[Biz Nasty]

You know what I think it is? Abes. And you ask any women from 35 to 65, they're all in at least one book club right now, and all of them are reading. You know, they're meeting once a month. And six out of the 12 months that you're reading a smut book. And, you know, I hear it because my wife will host a book club party and they'll be talking about it, and it's just like you're saying, like, they're. They're into it. It's like, dude, once you get to a certain age, like that type of shit, just to get your. Your mind away from it, read something that, you know, maybe you're not into. It's great. I've enjoyed. I think I'm on, like, chapter nine or 10 right now, and I've enjoyed it. It's been great. The audio is great because you get to hear your voice, your perspective. I'm thinking it's you. I even googled the lady whose voice it was just so I could have like a. A picture of her. Yeah. So, yeah, she looks great too. So I. I think it's amazing. Good for you for putting yourself out there doing it. And you've done another book too, so it's.

[Keith Yandle]

I guess I Feel like it's big because a lot of these, like, especially women probably over the age of 40, like, they're not getting enough dick in their life and they're not getting enough spot spontaneity. Would you agree with that?

[Sean Avery]

Yeah, maybe. And by the way, great exercise for a couple, because for the guys, you're going to read this book and you're going to be like. Like Wit said, there's scenes about testing for camp and getting ready and working out and shooting pucks and, you know, all the training aspects.

[Ryan Whitney]

It's a hockey aspect. Yes.

[Sean Avery]

And then they. And then they fucking.

[Biz Nasty]

You know, Whitney read it together. He reads your chapters, and then she reads the other ones, which is cool, too.

[Ryan Whitney]

I do love the. In the acknowledgments biz, Leslie would like to thank Sean for teaching her that Waxed is a combination of Drunken High and Aves. Marlene Avery. Hockey moms everywhere. You know what you did. I didn't know, reading the back here that your favorite band is Fish. That's something I learned new about Aves.

[Sean Avery]

But really, you didn't.

[Ryan Whitney]

I didn't know that.

[Keith Yandle]

A ton of concerts.

[Sean Avery]

No, Fish is in a shout out.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah, gave him a shout out.

[Sean Avery]

I gave. I gave him a big shout out. You know, Vermont, the whole connection. And. And Fish is the greatest live touring band in the world right now.

[Keith Yandle]

Not the Great Dead.

[Sean Avery]

No, the Dead's John Mayer, and you know, the Dead's not. Yeah, if Jerry was around. But no, the Fish show is like.

[Ryan Whitney]

They'Ve stayed authentic to what they've always been.

[Sean Avery]

You mean, and grown and. And. And what they do online and the live streaming capability and livefish.com. they're an incredible band. They're an incredible band. Matt Rempe's in this book. You haven't got to the chapters yet, gentlemen. Matt Rempe is in this book.

[Keith Yandle]

He's probably not slamming anything in New York.

[Ryan Whitney]

Oh, my God. God.

[Sean Avery]

Well, you would. You would hope.

[Ryan Whitney]

But I got a question, and this is off topic of Summer Skate. Everyone buy your copy. Anything you can tell us about the Odyssey. Last time you came on during a live stream, it was brought up. I know very secretive things. Christopher Nolan obviously loves you and talk about a guy you want to have in your corner in Hollywood. But is it off limits to discuss it? No.

[Sean Avery]

I mean, my guidelines have been shared, what I'm allowed to say and what I'm not allowed to say. I was on this movie for six months, so, you know, this is going to be a big. A big one for Me, now it's game over now. Now. Now I'm hunting. Now I'm gonna fucking. You know, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna win a Golden Globe. I'm gonna win an Academy Award. It's the biggest movie ever made. It is. You want to talk about fantasy and, like, it's the original hero's journey from A to B. Odysseus trying to get home. I'm not spoiling everything. It's the oldest piece of literature ever written. So Biz. That means when this book was originated, it wasn't even written because there wasn't pen and paper yet. That's how old this thing is.

[Keith Yandle]

What do they do, write it in the scripture or.

[Sean Avery]

They sung it, they performed it, and it was sort of spoken word passed along and along. It's an incredible book. He's an incredible director. It is the biggest movie ever made. We filmed in five countries. No cgi, no green screen, in the middle of the ocean. We were in Sicily. That's why when Biz is like, he goes on his walkabouts. I said, I just walked. Iceland, Sicily, Greece, fucking. Where else? Scotland. Which is unbelievable, you guys, when you.

[Keith Yandle]

Do this, is this in your time off from filming and, like, are you doing overnight packing trips? Like, how do you, like, what was the journey?

[Sean Avery]

Well, Iceland. We were staying. We were staying in Winnebagos. And by the way, Iceland in the summer, the sun doesn't go down. It actually, at 2am it's brighter out. The sky illuminates. Iceland's incredible. But, yeah, we would, you know, five months. You don't film every day. So we were. We were doing stuff. We were. We saw some incredible places. I mean, filming wise. Just, you know, the landscapes. You guys would love Scotland. I played this golf course. Scotland, Nairn, which is like one of.

[Ryan Whitney]

The oldest, is ridiculous.

[Sean Avery]

We just drove there on a Saturday morning. Members can be members there, but it's open to the public. And we walked in, guy said, you gotta wait about 90 minutes for a tee time. We went to the most incredible snack shack that had fucking grass on the ceiling. Like, you know, outside, like, it was like part of the countryside. And what did we had? Toasties, which they call. That's a grilled cheese with the sausage.

[Ryan Whitney]

They got, oh, my God, Scotland's.

[Sean Avery]

Scotland's incredible. And they. I'll tell you a little tidbit in the bars there, you know, a bathroom stall door. They put the bathroom stall doors on magnets. Because the Scottish. They get so fucking drunk. And then they go and they hit the old baggies up the nose. They do it so much that that the bouncers can come in and they just rip the stall door off the wall, off the hinge because it's on. Fucking magnets. Pull the person out, put the door back and they go back to normal. Scotland's wild.

[Ryan Whitney]

$250 million budget biz. 250 million for the Odyssey biz. If you have a question, can I read the ad before our last question?

[Sean Avery]

Of course, of course.

[Ryan Whitney]

Okay, before biz goes, roll back. Last question. Chiclets on roback.com right now for 20% off your first purchase through the end of the week. That C H I C L E T s on R H O b a c k dot com. 20% off all polos, hoodies, joggers, code chicklets. Go ahead, Biz. I apologize.

[Keith Yandle]

Oh, no worries. I mean, we can ask a few more too. I was just going to say when you're, when you're going through these journeys, when you're getting your days off on set, who are you able to hang out with? Like, did you just meet buddies in the acting world? Do you have friends from back home who maybe fly over? Like, who were you hanging with?

[Sean Avery]

We had an incredible cast. This Welshman, Andrew Howard, you know, you remember the movie Limitless?

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sean Avery]

With Bradley Cooper. He was the bad guy in Limitless.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yep, I just looked him up. I remember this guy, a Welsh actor.

[Sean Avery]

What a wild man. I mean this guy. I mean we, this cast. Jon Bernthal. Bernthal was with us.

[Ryan Whitney]

That's biz.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah, that's my uncle, the Punisher.

[Sean Avery]

Yeah, I mean Bernthal's incredible. Josh Stewart, who's. He's a fucking guy's been working for 30 years. He was in First Watch. He's been in a ton of, of network television. Just a seasoned actor, a great dude. I met some of like my closest friends on this movie. I mean some of these guys. Jovana Depot. Elliot Page was in this movie. Elliot Page, really? Who used to be Ellen Page. Elliot. Nova Scotia. Nova Scotia kid. Yeah. All, all kinds of. So we had a tight knit group, you know what I mean? We were very remote. Also biz, we were in like, like Loch Ness in Scotland, which is Inverness.

[Biz Nasty]

Which is not places unbelievable.

[Keith Yandle]

There.

[Biz Nasty]

But it's cool.

[Ryan Whitney]

Did you spend any time with Ryan Hurst? The guy? I know him as Opie from Sons of Anarchy.

[Sean Avery]

I spent many, many, many days with Ryan Hurst. What a big guy. Works out with a sauna suit and just does a slow, slow bike ride. 90 minute bike ride with a sauna suit. And he just. Ryan Hurst is a great guy, great actor. Yep, yep. Yeah. People love him from Sons. I never watched Sons. I never got into.

[Keith Yandle]

I watched the whole thing. I don't know which guy you're talking about.

[Ryan Whitney]

He ends up getting killed in the prison fight.

[Keith Yandle]

Okay, I'll have to look it up. Why are you laughing?

[Biz Nasty]

Isn't it amazing how those actors from, you know, England, Ireland, Scotland, like they'll. They, when they're acting, they sound like they're from Ohio.

[Ryan Whitney]

Insane.

[Sean Avery]

It's incredible. It's incredible what the Europeans can do coming the other way. Himesh Patel, English actor, unbelievable actor. I don't know if anyone watched the franchise on hbo. That's his latest thing that came out. It was a great show. Himesh is an incredible actor. His fucking American accent, he puts it on. He sounds like he's like a cab driver from New York.

[Biz Nasty]

It's crazy.

[Keith Yandle]

I always go back to Daniel Day Lewis and There Will Be Blood. Like how he's able to find like some of these guys, like they're Freaks of Nature, which is my favorite movie of all time.

[Biz Nasty]

Now, I was gonna say it's the only movie I think I've ever heard. You.

[Keith Yandle]

No, no, no, no. I like, I always go back to a lot, a lot of the same ones.

[Biz Nasty]

ABEs, like gangs in New York.

[Keith Yandle]

I like gangs in New York. Of course. What's the one? No country for Old Men.

[Biz Nasty]

There Will Be Blood. Yeah, you gotta type.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah, I gotta.

[Sean Avery]

You gotta type. Sicario.

[Keith Yandle]

I think I saw the first one. Isn't there a second one?

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah, one's way better than two, I thought.

[Sean Avery]

Yeah. One is Dennis Denny Villeneuve, who directs Dune and One is one of the greatest. But like Sicario is incredible.

[Ryan Whitney]

Is Anne Hathaway friendly?

[Sean Avery]

Anne Hathaway, Rocket.

[Ryan Whitney]

She hasn't aged, she's gotten younger. If she's on the Andrenochrome, it's all over Twitter too. There's a lot of very popular videos, basically, like Ann Hathaway's LeBron. Like they're not getting older.

[Biz Nasty]

Like it's.

[Ryan Whitney]

She's beautiful.

[Sean Avery]

Ann was around a lot. It was a very heavy male dominated set. She handled herself. Incredible. Zendaya, Bro, you know who's a beauty?

[Biz Nasty]

She's a stud.

[Sean Avery]

Tom Holland. Unbelievable.

[Keith Yandle]

So they were the main people in it?

[Sean Avery]

Well, there's just. I mean, it just keeps going and going. But yeah, they were around a lot. Matt Damon, boss. I mean, Matt Damon, the hardest working actor in Hollywood, no doubt about it. Market right now. I watched this guy, I mean, you guys have seen pictures of him, how ripped he got for the.

[Keith Yandle]

I thought Tom Cruise got that label, but keep going.

[Sean Avery]

I mean, I don't know. No, you know what? No, Matt Damon is solid fucking gold. This guy. What a beauty. And just. And you know what? Ben Affleck came and watched one day when we were on the lot in Universal. Affleck came. Those two are that tight. Came to watch his buddy work. It's incredible.

[Keith Yandle]

It's awesome.

[Ryan Whitney]

Aves, can you fill me in if on the rumor I heard is true. So one of my favorite movies all time is Heat and yesterday I saw.

[Sean Avery]

Heat two is, is, is possibly happening. I might have had a meeting with buddy.

[Ryan Whitney]

I was going to say so. Right. The rumor I saw. Now biz, if you want to fucking watch a good movie, Heat, great. Al Pacino's a cop chasing Robert De Niro and Val Kilmer. Now Heat too would be a prequel to that movie in which Austin Butler would be Val Kilmer.

[Sean Avery]

Central America.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah. Oh, fuck, dude. And then, and then who else would they have? A couple other stars. Leonardo would be Pacino and Adam Driver would be Pacino.

[Sean Avery]

De Niro so recast and, and, and pull us back into the prequel with like minded, I mean, Austin Butler, that comparison between him and.

[Ryan Whitney]

That's good.

[Sean Avery]

Iceman, I mean, that, that's as good as it gets. Kilmer and fucking those, I mean, so good jawline.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah.

[Sean Avery]

Michael Mann is a wild one, though. I, you know, and, but, but biz, you haven't seen Heat.

[Keith Yandle]

That's one that I haven't, I haven't seen tonight.

[Biz Nasty]

I watched it recently. It ages tonight.

[Ryan Whitney]

The greatest shootout scene in the history of, of movies biz, ever.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah, I'll watch There Will Be Blood and if I have time, I'll throw on Heat. But I was going to ask you, in order to prepare for, for these roles and stuff like that, do you go to like, not acting classes, but maybe like improv classes? Like what. Who do you work with? Do you work with a coach? Or are you pretty comfortable after you read the script? You kind of got it and you just keep doing take after take with maybe a friend reading the script and then you're good to go. Like, how did you prepare for this stuff?

[Sean Avery]

Well, I had a. I just did an audition this morning for the new Yellowstone remake called Marshalls, which is going to be on cbs. Luke Grimes is doing that one and I got the sides two days ago. I have a great acting coach, Matthew Berry. Shout out Matthew Berry, who's A la Kings season ticket holder. Hates the team. Has hated the team for 20 years. Just. Just hates his team.

[Biz Nasty]

But goes for hate.

[Sean Avery]

Yeah, but he's a fan. Great acting coach. You know, I'm in Kevin Connolly's office right now. If I ever need Kevin to kind of sit in and help. You have to fucking. If you don't know the words, if you can't say the words with a gun to your head, you can't do this. And that's the hardest thing is figuring out a muscle and that new muscle. And I've said it before, I listen to songs now and I actually hear what they're singing about. I go, holy fuck. That's what that Cranberry song was about. That's incredible. You know what I mean? Because I just, I can take the, the information in differently. Which reminds me, I'm gonna go do Daniel Carcillo's retreat at some point. You know, he's doing God's work up there in Oregon and biz. Me and you should go and we should go actually do a dose. Because they're rewiring, they're hardwiring, they're getting parts of the brain that are firing that haven't been firing. We all have CTE on some level. And memorizing is one of those pieces of the brain. And if there's now things that I can do to get that shit firing. And Some of these GMs should start thinking about this, you know, alternative medicine and sending your guys. Imagine sending your team with fucking car bomb up to Oregon and getting them all dosed on five grams of mushrooms.

[Biz Nasty]

Why can't bark off Rarity.

[Sean Avery]

They get biz. What do you think?

[Keith Yandle]

So I would definitely go with you. This David Vora guy who was on that hike with to finish things off, he was Mr. Irrelevant. I was talking about him when I got back from that, that peaking track. He knows Carcillo and he was talking about it and he, he implemented a lot of that into what he does, right? Because he played in the NFL for five years, probably sustained numerous concussions. He got a D addicted to opiates after he blew out his shoulder his last year. And he kind of found a whole new meaning to life in his post career through the, the foundation that he's running and also doing a lot of this modern day medicine. So I would be very willing to do it. Would you want to document it or would you just want to go and do it?

[Sean Avery]

Listen, I respect your art form. You guys are killing it over there at Barstool. Everything is content these days. Absolutely. I got nothing to hide. I got nothing to hide.

[Keith Yandle]

You're okay with the puking and the vomiting? In some cases, they even provide you with men diapers because you could be yourself. Like, I'll do a hero dose. I'll try it.

[Ryan Whitney]

Part of what, like a big trip is.

[Keith Yandle]

It's basically part of like.

[Biz Nasty]

Like letting Oregon yourself and puke everywhere.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Ryan Whitney]

I'll go to Bandit Dunes instead.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah, yeah, we'll go one way, you'll go the other. But I believe that it's kind of like a. Like essentially like an ego death where you just kind of release it all right. And you. And you and you succumb and. And. And it's kind of like a rebirth, right, Abes?

[Sean Avery]

Yeah. A bit of a purge. And then you can kind of sort of go in deeper and see some open, some doors that haven't been opened in a while. But more about those sensors. You know, what I'm reading. It's like more about waking up parts of the brain that we've sort of killed. Which, being a professional athlete, we tamper our emotions, you know, or we fucking. We close them for the most part.

[Ryan Whitney]

You know.

[Sean Avery]

To be a killer, you gotta sort of be emotionless. Nick Lidstrom was just. He was always like this. But, you know, I don't know. So I think that's what's interesting about it. And it kind of just ties into all of us. We're all artists. We're all making art, whether we're playing the game or talking about it or that.

[Ryan Whitney]

Eves.

[Sean Avery]

You know, so, you know, and. And you can't be afraid of it. Like, what's there to be afraid of? Who cares?

[Keith Yandle]

At the end of the day, we're all gonna die, right on the. On your deathbed. You ain't gonna. You ain't gonna be concerned about that.

[Sean Avery]

Yep, exactly. So I'm feeling Dex.

[Ryan Whitney]

I love that. I love hearing that. Coming off an amazing shoot all over the world. You got the book, Summer Skate. Everyone check it out. Can't wait for that movie. And I love the manifestation. Manifestation. If I of you saying I'm fucking winning a Golden Globe. I love that. And. And it kind of wrapped back around to the beginning of the conversation, which play on the fourth line. Fucking grind it out for a couple years. And that's what, you know, in acting, certainly you ain't just hopping in and dominating.

[Biz Nasty]

Well, you have roles that.

[Keith Yandle]

Lines he did, right?

[Sean Avery]

No, this is my third Nolan movie. The. The. You know, the first one. I was just there, you know, and. And everything is. It takes time. You can't just. Like you said, Whit, you can't come into the league and fucking like, relax. Just, just. You're not going to take over yet because Brad Marchand, he's going to fucking dummy you when nobody's looking. He's too wise. You're not going to win this race right now. So learn.

[Ryan Whitney]

Sean Avery, folks, always an absolute pleasure talking to you. That was a great chat. Felt like it was about 10 minutes long. So have a great one. You might not.

[Keith Yandle]

You might have a fucking GM job in a few.

[Sean Avery]

Thank you guys here. Have a great season. Don't pull any punches. Do what you guys do. We all love you. Thank you.

[Ryan Whitney]

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[Keith Yandle]

I was taping my stick and stroking.

[Ryan Whitney]

My shaft, putting on my garter belt with my hairy nut sack and then showing the entire world of Chiclets listeners.

[Keith Yandle]

I slipped the butt end right in my and hit my G spot.

[Ryan Whitney]

We're gonna shoot it down to Florida right now. Fort Lauderdale to be exactly my mouth stuck on her. Get the. Shut up. Matthew Kachuk out until at least December. Keith, you mentioned you ran into him. He's on crutches actually. Pretty cool. He was the guest picker on college game day this week for the big Miami Florida matchup. I don't know how his picks did, but Zito announced he'll be out till December. I mean he had. The fact of the matter is it was told to us he really had no business playing in the playoffs last year. Like he was mangled. I think still around a point per game if I'm not mistaken. Incredible amount of. Let me check that quick.

[Keith Yandle]

His adductor was like ribs right off the bone.

[Biz Nasty]

Crazy man.

[Ryan Whitney]

And he had the sports hernia going and it's just like this guy's grinding it out. He had 23 points at 28 games winning back to back Stanley cup. So it makes sense. But probably, you know, not probably a tough loss for Florida until almost halfway through the season.

[Keith Yandle]

They circumcised the cap.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah, I know. I just, I think for them it's like they, they proved last year they don't need to come in first place to, you know, win the Stanley Cup. They, they snuck their way in last year and won pretty easily, I thought. But yeah, it's tough to see him out. I, I honestly just hope he's back before Olympics. Team USA needs him. He's a huge part of that team. Huge part. If you know, we're going to be able to beat Canada and, you know, the rest of those teams too. It's not just Canada, but, yeah, tough news. But I think he's just, he's one of those guys, though. Like, he's going to be around. He's still going to be around. He's still going to be helping out, still leading from a position not on the ice, but a guy that's going to be in the locker room every day. I think when a guy like him is hurt, you know, some guys, they're like, hey, stay away from the locker room. You're not, you're not going to be around. I don't think that's the case with him. I think he'll still be there every day, you know, getting ready. I know their trainers that they have down here are incredible. So I, you know, he'll be back, I think quicker than normally, you know, someone with that surgery would be back. But yeah, when I saw, I saw him a couple weeks ago and I think it was right after surgery, he, he didn't look good. He looked way better the other day on the college game day, walking around. So just, you know, credit to him for getting better and better every, every day. But definitely, definitely a tough loss for them. But their training camp, they haven't even started yet with, they're starting a week after everyone else, so give some extra time to get, to get you loose and get ready.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah, they, they're, they're giving all the, the veterans a little bit extra rest. Right? I mean, like you said, I don't think they're really concerned with the first few months of the season. They're just trying to get a chip in a chair. They finish in a wild card. They don't give a. They'll go into any building.

[Ryan Whitney]

They're not saying this. They would never say it, but it's like, you know, Maurice is like, just give us the eighth spot. I don't care. Take it literally. We didn't have home ice in one series, fucking crushed everyone, doesn't fucking matter. Just get us in the playoffs and we'll choke hold everyone out again.

[Keith Yandle]

I'm curious to know why it maybe it took so long for him to get the surgery. Like, is it one of those prehab type situations where they're trying to get it like fully like healed from before surgery, get the muscles going and, and, and, and then perform it like Yan's. Your Internet's not great, so I don't know if you're going to be able to answer this but do you know any information on that?

[Biz Nasty]

I don't know. Only thing I could think of is he got married this summer. Maybe didn't want to do it before the wedding, but that's the only thing I could think of.

[Ryan Whitney]

Okay. Makes total sense. Makes total sense.

[Keith Yandle]

Makes total sense.

[Ryan Whitney]

I. I totally understand what Keith's saying there. We'll stick in Florida biz. A little bit of redemption for you. And I believe we mentioned this in the Avery interview, but Marshawn's comments about no state tax making a difference. What do you know? Biz biz was right again, folks. What do you know?

[Keith Yandle]

No comment. I'm not going to live in the past anymore. If that's what he thinks about the situation, that's great. I've moved on. I said my piece when I said it. I got muzzled. You awful announcing. I don't know if you follow their Twitter account. Who seems to have a massive hard on for barstool sports.

[Ryan Whitney]

I know. They're really crushing barstool.

[Keith Yandle]

They were just dragging me through the mud about how stupid my comments were. But once again, like, I can't take things personally anymore. I'm at peace with who I am and with what I've said. So I'm just going to continue to focus on. On living in the present and moving forward.

[Ryan Whitney]

Okay. All right.

[Keith Yandle]

Well, I'm going to be the better man for once in my life.

[Ryan Whitney]

You were due. You were due biz.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah, it was.

[Ryan Whitney]

You were due. Kind of ending the pod here a little bit. Some really tough news in the hockey world.

[Keith Yandle]

Brutal.

[Ryan Whitney]

I mean, you could start. Bernie Perront passed away. I mean, talk about a legend. Two time Stanley cup champion with the, with the Philadelphia Flyers. An all time goalie. I had no idea until I was reading up on him that you had him in Toronto biz. He. You had him. And, and, and he sent. Sent pack and he's in Philadelphia. And they go on to have those incredible teams, the Broad Street Bullies. But everything I've read, just what a guy he was. He was around the organization all the time. He was unbelievable on the ice. A leader, a fan favorite. Teammates loved him. Just, Just brutal news. I don't know if you had any comment on him.

[Keith Yandle]

Beloved.

[Ryan Whitney]

Beloved.

[Keith Yandle]

All the. I got a couple group texts going on, people saying he was the kindest man, absolute legend. Same way we would talk about Kopitar. Just the way he handles himself with everyone and just a first class human being.

[Ryan Whitney]

He.

[Keith Yandle]

He looked incredible. 80 years old. He. He still looked amazing. And you thought he would live for at least another 20 years. And it's such a, such a shame. And I believe the, the quote is, is only Jesus saves more than Bernie Perant. That's kind of the famous quote. And led them, as you mentioned, to two Stanley Cup. So just, just a devastating loss in the hockey world. Wit. And even going back to last week, there was one as we were signing off after we recorded that we, we failed to mention as well. And, and also a tough, tough summer for, for former goalies as Dryden passed as well. Right. And Orca. And Orca. How do you pronounce the last name? Wiseblatt.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah, that was.

[Keith Yandle]

We. We've talked to them about, about them a few times on our podcast, guys, and, and what their mother had been through and her being deaf and how she raised these boys and, and they, he was in Nanaimo last week and, and died in a car accident on, on Vancouver Island. And just as if this family hadn't been through enough, something like that happened. So our, our thoughts and prayers go out to the family and I just, it's just devastating news.

[Ryan Whitney]

Devastating that one was. I read that on Twitter. I, I just in seeing the video that Hockey Night in Canada or Sportsnet had done a few years back. So they're interviewing all the brothers. All the brothers have played at high level. I believe one of the brothers made his NHL debut last year with Nashville. I think. Yes, that's when the video had recirculated because it was around 2019, 2020. And so I think seeing the story of his family and all the brothers being interviewed, it like hits even harder because you, you got to know them a little bit in this 10 minute video and how close their family was and they lose a brother to a car accident suddenly just, oh, makes you sick. Makes you sick to your stomach. I just feel so sorry for that family and that that news had broken like right as we were recording I think last week and we didn't, we, it wasn't mentioned and right after we're like, oh my God, we gotta, we gotta talk about that next week. So just our prayers and thoughts, the entire Wiseblatt family and just, just horrible news. There's no really other way to describe it.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah, couple very difficult losses for the hockey community and big time hard, hard way to end the podcast, guys. And Yans, I know you skipped out there, but if there's anything you wanted to see, I know you played for the Flyers briefly. Did you ever get a chance to run into Bernie Perrott and spend a little bit of time with them.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah, those I will say about Philly, like the way that they keep their ex players, the alumni just involved in a round and their legacies going, I think it's amazing. You know, it's similar. It's. It's probably has to do with the old school teams, like playing for New York. You felt that way. And then, you know, Florida and Phoenix are a little different because they don't have the rich history as those teams. But those, those guys in Philly, man, like, you know, Clarky and the way they would talk about Bernie was just, just amazing. Like just the perfect guy that they, you know, would talk about to have your back to be the last line of defense that you would put your trust in every single night. And I think a guy too, that went to war with those guys too, right, Wasn't just there making saves like he was in the thick of it. He was part of those Broad street bullies team where you weren't pushing them around at all. So yeah, I just love the fact about that, like playing for that Flyers team, you really get a sense of the rich history that they have and keeping the legends around and keeping their names and the, the history of what they, what those guys did to, you know, had the team where it is now. So, yeah, special shout out to the Peron family and you know, every. Everyone in the hockey, in the hockey community is thinking of you guys and.

[Ryan Whitney]

And we'll end it on a, on a better note, I guess, because it could have been another tragedy. Tragedy in the hockey world. And I don't. Did you guys read the story about Rasmus, Darlene's wife and what she went through and what happened? Holy. He announced. I think he might have brought this up at camp in a press conference. I don't know when or where he gave this news, but summering, I think they were in France, him and his wife. She had like heart failure. Thank God. She was getting CPR on multiple occasions for like a couple of hours at a time on life support before receiving a heart transplant. Like, thank God they were. They were able to get the help they needed when this all went down. To have a heart transplant is insane at that age. But she's getting better. She's recovering in Sweden. She hasn't been able to, you know, fly over and join her husband in Buffalo yet, but holy shit, is that a traumatic experience? Thank God she's okay. But a wild story reading about that and I guess stick taps, clicks to the, to the, you know, all the ems and, and all the people who helped her survive that and to be able to get a heart transplant is just one wild. So that was that. That one took me. Took me by an enormous surprise, too, just hearing that that's what he'd been through all off season. Like, talk about traumatic. So thank God she's okay, but I don't know. It's crazy. You never know. Every single day. Live in the moment, guys.

[Biz Nasty]

Yep.

[Ryan Whitney]

Do what I say. Every time I get anxiety, I'm going to remind every listener. Get anxiety about the future, about the past, dude. Just try to live in that moment. I got what I'm doing right now. I got what I'm doing later this afternoon. That's literally, I think, the only way to really fight off true anxiety about things and appreciate what you got. So not to be sitting here giving a sermon or anything, but live in the moment. And so sorry for the family of Bernie Perront, for the Wiseblatt family and all the people going through some tough times. Hockey season's right around the corner. Chicklets Cup. Hopefully everyone comes by, enjoys the weekend. And I can't wait to see you guys. It's going to be an awesome week, getting together and seeing the whole crew. And thanks for listening, everyone. We got some big news coming up. We got some big news coming up that we'll share with you guys shortly. And love you all. Have a great week.

[Keith Yandle]

I don't know any other way.