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Whitney
Hey Spit and Chiclets listeners.
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Army
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Biz
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Whitney
Me and Ryan have been officially welcomed.
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Keith
To the jungle that is Barstool Sports.
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Whitney
Our white whale, Sidney Crosby. Shave his head.
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Biz
Shave his head.
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Whitney
Shave his head. Ryan Whitney. Paul Vicinette R.A. mike Grinelli. Spittin Chicklets. What is up folks? Welcome to episode 584 presented. Pink Whitney. Yup. Yance always shows the bottle. Biz always nods his head and we had a bagger in Boston. We had a sandbagger in Boston. We're not going to give anything away but it was flowing. It was flowing bad. You will see on the video Pink Whitney's always in the mix at sandbaggers. I saw several pick couple pictures of little pink Whitney nip bottles empty on the grounds of Beth Page Black during the Ryder Cup. We'll get into that later. Probably explain some of the most ridiculous fan involvement in a golf tournament I've ever seen. If you want to call it involvement. But it's also tailgating season. I think that right now and today in Boston it was 78 degrees. I looked a week from today it's supposed to be 83. I mean you. Our pool's still open, the ocean's still beautiful. Are people still doing the beach late September? I don't know. But bring Pink Whitney if you are. Go get the big bottle, the little bottle, the medium bottle doesn't matter. Or the little nips. Thank you so much to New Amsterdam.
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Biz
When I was this close, this close to getting into the Pink Whitney after the result of the championship game at the Chiclets Cup. But I didn't. I restrained myself. But that's the thing that probably would have, would have helped.
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Keith
That's a celebratory drink biz.
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Whitney
You're getting ahead of that one. For anyone who hasn't heard yet. You're listening to or looking at on YouTube. The three biggest losers of all time. Maybe we have an excuse with. Yeah, we could go with that. We could go with that. You and I, enormous losers. Bringing a team in. Turns out you grabbing a bunch of roller hockey players wasn't necessarily the play, considering ball hockey is, like, completely different. The bigger. The bigger loser. The man in the top right of my screen, at least this guy and this team, he's put together. Six years. I believe that was the sixth Chiclets Cup. Another loss. Another. Just like, how the hell does this team get off even thinking they're ever going to do anything? But this time, it can't just be all gloating and laughing at you. We lost as well, and you beat us. You. Luckily for you, you get to keep a team in the next chicken cup. Because I forgot till you mentioned that that was a. That was. What did you call it?
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Keith
Pink slips.
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Biz
We were playing for pink slips. That's what we were doing originally, right? Well, actually, we're. We're playing for mine. Whereas if, like, you know, you guys can obviously still enter a team because it was your first year, and I don't want to focus on the negatives, I want to focus on the positives for you. It was. It was your first experience at a Chick. You guys entered the tournament in extraordinary fashion. You had the bagpipes out. You had a gentleman driving the Patty wagon. What do you. What do you guys call those? The Patty Wagon. And you guys came out of that thing. So, like, what was your first experience, like, at the Chick cup? And especially it being in your home city of Boston?
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Keith
Yeah, it was incredible, honestly, like, the amount of work that went into it. Obviously, you'll get the thank yous in later because you're. You're our thank you guy. But the setup with it being right next to the brewery, the rinks right there, you can go in, you can go watch the Ryder cup, you can watch a ton of games. There's all the food trucks and everything going on, it. It actually blew my mind. I thought, you know, from watching in the past, it was just roller hockey games going on and that's it. But, like, the amount of stuff that you guys put on for everyone and I. I had a ton of people come out to watch and couldn't rave more about it. Like, it'd be a sin if we didn't do there. Do it there again next year. Like, they rolled out the red carpet for us, treated us so good. Everyone involved it was truly amazing and I could not believe the competitiveness in these guys and what. Right. But it's just like you don't believe it until you see something like that. Like it was like a game. Every single game was like a Game 7 playoff. Obviously different but it was incredible what these guys brought every single game. And you know, just for the love of the game too, right. It's like you're going out there, you're putting a team together with your buddies and and you just the pride, the pride that hockey guys have just truly it was an amazing, amazing event camp. Can't wait for next year. Like honestly cannot wait. Hopefully my guys will get get on the court and play some ball hockey. Because if it, if it was on roller hockey we would have dusted everyone. If like if we played you guys on roll and as vice versa versus like we've never played it would be an absolute shit beaten instead of you guys beating us by.
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Biz
Well maybe we will get relegated to to roller considering we can't win our own ball hockey tournament.
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Whitney
Oh yeah, that, that'll never happen. I mean at this point I'm sitting there and, and we should shout out the Brampton Midnight Express who are now three time champs back to back. This year we can call them a dynasty. They, they played this tournament to perfection. And the, and the deal was this year they that roller A street hockey a and the women's division, the winners all won 5,000 bucks. So we upped it from I think two grand. The year before. Keith threw in another thousand dollars for the Brampton team to beat you. He told them that. And then after they beat you, they came up to you. They're like where's Yans? And my thousand bucks. So I had to venmo these, these animals, this team. I'm pretty sure they took it somewhat easy in the round robin because they knew everyone was through to the semifinals. You know, they, you took care of business against them. They, they, they beat the Stranglers. But it was a really close game. Stranglers were up late, they got some late goals. I think they want 6, 4, 7, 5 empty net. The National Ball Hockey all star team. Who was the fourth team in your division? I don't think they won a game.
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Biz
But they were still competitive. Like, like I was out there to.
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Whitney
Eight the first game and that's when I started worrying.
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Dallas Drake
I know.
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Biz
Yeah. And, and we did have a full extra line which played into our advantage. I thought it was going to continue to play in our advantage all the finals. But you Mentioned it. The Brampton Midnight Express. We played them in the round robin. They only had eight guys and I thought we controlled the game pretty handedly. Like I could play. I was playing like somewhat of a regular shift. Well, I think I played two shifts in the finals and I'm like, okay, these guys are playing at a different level right now. And I yanked myself out of the game. I, I, at that point I was shut down right back to the press box. And then we rolled what I thought was going to be the winning squad, but they just, they got some unbelievable saves. Their goalie was shooting lightning bolts out of his asshole. We must have hit 8 to 10 posts. You know, I'm not trying to take away from what they did, but I am very, very proud of our group. The big deal selects. There aren't going to be many changes next year. Like, I'm rolling with the same team. We had a new goalie, Whiffer in net and he's going to stay between the pipes. I think the play is next year. Regardless of how well I thought I played. All the guys said they thought that was my best tournament.
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Whitney
You were great.
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Biz
I thought I was solid and in a decent enough shape because I've been hiking so much, so the cardio was there. But I think that I'm going to have to end up being in the press box full time, where we're going to have to have, I think two more guys come in from wherever Terry Ryan pulls them from. We had a few new additions. I mentioned the goaltender there, Whiffer. He's going to come back. And then Harrison Harry, a guy from Saskatchewan who came over with Anderson. And then we had one French guy mo this French player in attorney. He's the best player. He runs like a gazelle.
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Keith
It's insane.
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Whitney
I do for a living. And somebody's like, he plays pro ball hockey in Switzerland. Yeah. I was like, oh, 1. I didn't know they had that. 2. It kind of makes sense because he dominates. But, but quickly, Biz, there's a couple different storylines from your team. First, we'll get to Terry Ryan, and Terry Ryan senior were not there this year. Apparently their names were spelled incorrectly.
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Biz
Yeah, this was supposed to start everything off, by the way. We've had so many great chickless cops. Like everyone, like, great memories from them. This one was, was by far my favorite. And, and it's like I'm shocked to say that because Terry and senior weren't there. So if they would have been there, like, I don't even know if I would have been able to handle the amount of laughs that, that were coming our way. So Terry did give me the heads up ahead of time that he, he had scheduled, like, something on the books that was very important to him and it was a big gig, so he couldn't be there this weekend. He was going to come in on Thursday for the meet and greet, get the jersey, say something to the team, pass the C off to Con man, and then he would have been out of there Friday morning. So everybody's flying in on Thursday. And then I catch wind that him and Senior are on the same plane ticket and that they spelt their names instead of Terence. T, E, R, R, E, N, C, E. It was, there was an A instead of an E, or vice versa. So I kind of got a bone to pick. With Air Canada. You got this father and son. One is obviously Senior and then Junior that are flying to this location and there's one letter that's different. And then all of a sudden you're not going to allow them to board the flight. Like, what are the chances that two other people with identical names with one letter off are flying to the same location and showing up to an airport in Saint John to go to Boston? And you're not going to be cool enough to just say, okay, it was a mistake, let's type this in the computer, change it up, and then allow them to fly on to Boston. Like, that is so fucking ridiculous.
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Keith
I just don't think that's how TSA works.
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Biz
We can fly things to Mars, guys. I, I, I don't think it's that ridiculous to change one letter on a fucking boarding post.
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Whitney
What are we flying to Mars?
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Keith
The moon?
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Biz
We're, we're, we're sending, like, these things to land on Mars and then, like, scope it out. Right? Ok, yeah, like I would say that we're, we, we, we sent Katie fucking Perry out of the orbit on whatever.
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Keith
No, that was a music video.
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Whitney
But her name was spelled correctly on the flight log.
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Biz
Okay.
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Keith
You'Re, I heard it was Con man who changed their names to be wrong because he was like, we got to trim some fat on this team. We can't have Terry Senior and Terry Junior there because they have been mushes the entire time they've been a part of this tournament. That's not, I'm getting the captaincy. I, My first move is to spell their names wrong so they get stuck on this island.
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Biz
This is you trying to plant doubt in our, in our, in our team's chemistry there.
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Whitney
The doubt it ain't.
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Biz
It ain't.
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Whitney
It's there. No, mark my words. Doubt it's just.
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Biz
Mark my words. 2026 will be the year of the Toronto Maple Leafs. And the big deal selects and we're going to get to the Leafs later on. Locking in Stolars. I am so fired up about that. But there was a lot to take away and a lot to build off of going back to Senior and Terry. So whatever that was the whole ordeal. Terry was going to be leaving Friday anyway. I felt bad that Senior couldn't be there because he's so fun to have around the locker room hearing the same stories over and over. Even better, you know, the, the, the added additions. But so I guess that Senior has a different name on his birth certificate. His driver's license that was on the plane ticket. And there's one other thing that he has on documentation. I think maybe it's his diploma that is spelled all four things completely different. So kind of. And I guess his old is his father. So Terry's great grand. So Terry's grandfather, he was like illiterate. So that's why he spelled it wrong and it ended up wrong on his birth certificate. Now this could be a story that's completely made up from con man and the boys just to kind of get some laughs and chuckles. But without them, we were fortunate enough to replace their antics and their hilarity with Go Aldi and a lot of, you know, Canadian oldie. The guy I had go to, to, to Fort Lauderdale. He ended up being. And then game seven with the Toronto Maple Leafs. He's been famous ever since the four nation stream with, with Big Cat and the, the. Pardon my take, guys. He was hilarious. He was busting out his FA the whole time, talking in the locker room. Busy, busy, let's go. And just brought that camaraderie together that, you know, maybe even more so than we'd seen in past tournaments. So once again, I'm not changing much about this roster. I had so many laughs and sometimes. Boys, you know what, I hate to say it, but it's not all about winning. Sometimes it's about the experiences and the lifelong memories that you had with your friends at Chiclets Cup. But saying that real loser talk.
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Whitney
At some point, you gotta win it. And we beat you.
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Biz
We fucking beat you. I won.
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Keith
And no one on my team has ever played ball hockey. Two guys had ever played ball hockey.
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Whitney
I get that. Here's the thing.
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Biz
But it's hard to win championships. It was easy. Everybody would be doing it well, this.
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Whitney
One, it was as easy as it's ever going to get because there was four teams. And, and I'm sitting in the locker room after and I, you know, those guys are great dudes. Like, awesome stranglers. I got to meet all the stranglers. Just great people. And, and I remember leaving Biz, and I'm talking to you and it's like, God, I love your team. And, and you people could think I'm joking. Like, even though you beat us, I was rooting for you. I'm like, at some point, like, they have to win. Like, I, like, please. Like, these guys are good dudes. Like, let them win. And I, and you didn't win, of course. And then we're leaving and I said to you, God, you got a great squad. It just, it, it, it crushes me to have to just carve these guys. And I'm sitting there after the game and I'm in your locker room and everyone's hanging out and you guys are. You were down in the dumps. I get it. And then you stand up and you say, guys, next year's the year. We have the recipe here. It's like, no, you don't, bud. No, you don't. You don't got the recipe. You don't got it. It's like, Rico, you got it. No, you don't got it. Because I'm watching year after year after year. And then this year with four teams and you just waltzing through the first four games and then just collapsing the way the Leafs always do.
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Biz
Okay. Oh, wait, were. Were we the better team in, in that game? Who. Who was their best player?
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Whitney
90. 92. That kid. 92 is nasty. I don't know.
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Biz
Okay, so, so, so, so the whole, Their whole team. No, I'm. No, I'm asking about the Midnight Express. The best player in that game. Who was the mvp?
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Whitney
The goalie was great, buddy.
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Biz
He fucking stood on his head, man.
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Whitney
But your goalie stood on his head throughout the tournament as well. And, and Biz, let's go into you picking the jerseys, which were nice looking jerseys.
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Biz
Unbelievable jerseys.
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Whitney
You went with The Maple Leaf. St. Patty's Day. Look, the Maple Leafs, as we've brought up a million times, they don't win either. They're ex. It's like you've, you've traced into the big deal selects.
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Biz
Hey, they won their division.
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Whitney
The recipe. The recipe. We got the recipe, you know? Got it.
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Biz
We do.
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Keith
Biz, if Brad Tree Living brought out the same team next year and just. It was like hey, we didn't.
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Biz
I said we're not bringing out the exact same team. We're not. We're not bringing out the exact same team. And we were missing. We were missing our spirit animals of, of Terry and Senior. I know. We replace. Replaced that juju with, with Oldie who will continue to be our backup. And then I'm going to replace myself and, and on the bench. Boys are awesome. Like they are going to be there year after year.
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Keith
They were good.
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Biz
They're great. We're going to be in the press box though, probably to start next tournament. And Bish. Bish who? He's the guy in the videos. If you see our team videos. Like, he looks like he has rabies. Like he's got no. Barely any front jibs. He's ripping darts before the game. He is the drunkest guy in the city. Every night there's a Chicklets cup wherever it is and he's just hacking dart. And then by the end of the night he's got foam. You know. You know you got that one buddy, where he gets so buckled he's been hacking so many darts and, and like you just. He should be. He should be wearing a camelback the whole night. That's how dehydrated his mouth is. Yet he's got that, that white yellowish foam right, right on the sides. What's this area of your lips here? Just like the, what do you call that? The crevice.
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Keith
Foamville.
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Biz
Yeah.
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Whitney
And biz. Another thing that I discussed with someone. Well, two other things. First you, the big deal selects like the name while. While being a cool idea. Like the beer doesn't exist anymore. So that could be. You might want to like there's just failure after failure that's like kind of on this team like this.
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Biz
That's the one thing I can agree with you. Well, first of all, the Big deal selects jerseys. Were paying homage to the. The Toronto, like the green ones, like the St. Patty's Day ones. I don't know. I don't know the exact name of it. G can maybe type it in the, in the chat there to help us out or something. The Toronto St. Pat's and also like Boston Celtic. That Celtic pride. I thought that that was a good little segue in order to get in the Stranglers heads. Like we're kind of coming in to take your territory. In which we did. In which we did. So yes or no, did we win the championship? But yes, we are going to continue to have a team because one of the things that we were Playing for was to continue to fucking have a team. So we beat Gans, we handled business. Business in that regard. Do I agree that there's a potential for a rebrand on our team? Yes, that is a conversation we'll have in the off season here. But ultimately, just looking at our team, I love the dynamic. We talked about Oldie doing splits and just keeping the chemistry so high. We got that Anderson guy who's from Saskatchewan who's actually like, he's very strong into his faith. So it kind of reminds me of like having donor on my team. So we have like, I think that we should be having like, like prayer service and maybe a little bit of Bible study before every game.
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Keith
Next year one guy on your team but him would be there.
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Biz
That's not true. Him and Harry from Sask and I would join in to kind of cleanse everything else. I think our team, everybody should be cleansing themselves before our games.
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Whitney
Based on what I was going to say. My second point is that every year you guys have looked really good in attorney. You know, everyone's crippled. Thursday night at the welcome party and then the Friday night like big party, they just get completely smothered and it's like, all right, well they're done this year without Terry and Terry Senior there they were in the lobby at like 10:45 both nights like they were not out and you still lost. So it's like I was worried that oh my God, this year they don't have the Ryan's dragging them out till four in the morning. They're actually taking it serious with Con man with the C on his chest and shoto. Con man looked great, played great big, I'd say like turnaround for Con Man.
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Biz
Love that he lost 20 pounds.
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Whitney
Keith said he's in his will now and love him and you still lost. So it's like holy shit. Like I was always like they drink themselves out of the game. They're completely screwed. Final day of the tournament. And then this year they didn't even do that and they still lost in a four man tournament.
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Biz
So this is all I'm gonna say. This is the last thing I'm gonna say before all the thank yous that we have to dish out because like we had these people who, who run this tournament, Hockey Fest, all the people from barstool setting up in the rain all day Wednesday so we could have two unbelievable sunny days of ball hockey and roller hockey and basically a full on festival going on at Harpoon Brewery with so many amazing people walking up and, and showing Us the love is that we're running it back. Con man will continue to have the C Terry Ryan and Terry Ryan senior will be there along with Oldie, our backup. And with a few more ads, we can make a strong bet next year if you're willing to put your money where your mouth is, that we're going to be taking home that fucking championship whether it involves the Stranglers or not. Wit, put your fucking money where your mouth is. 2026 is our year and if you want to fucking parlay it with a Toronto Maple Leaf Stanley cup win, let's roll baby. I'll do both. Put it up on DraftKings. Show me what my odds are and I'm gonna hammer it. Show me. I'll put my. I'll put my nuts on the line as. As Oldie would say, I'll put my Kiwis on the line along with the FAA that he's got on the side.
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Keith
The only thing biz, I would never want to play for Pink's clips again cuz I enjoyed your guys so much. Like the first two nights I had to, you know, show them around town because you were too busy to getting kills. But it was a pleasure getting to meet these guys.
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Biz
Back that up.
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Keith
You absolutely sent me what you, you.
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Biz
Were gone time out. So they got in Thursday. As soon as they landed, they went and threw their bags in their room. We were together. We went and got a. We went to a lunch spot that Hazy recommended. Then we went to one bar, then we went to another bar and then after that we went back to shower. We went to the pre party and then after that party was shut down in Harpoon Brewery at 9 o' clock was like, hey, we're shutting things. They went out a little bit later. But keep in mind like I'm. Yeah. With you. But that doesn't mean that I have to keep going out. I went and grabbed.
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Keith
I had to get them into the bar.
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Biz
I. I know but I'm. I'm trying to set the example where maybe it's time to go home because we just drank all afternoon. And then also at the night party where let's try to get a little bit of rest here. It's Thursday. We still have Friday night and we still have Saturday night. Okay. So then obviously we did what we did on Friday. We went out to that amazing party with park. What's it called, Park City that you set up in Boston. That was the most women I've ever seen at a, at a. At an event that we've Thrown. Normally it's full blown cocktober fest, 95% guys, really. The only girls ever in there are the servers. But somehow we get this Park City lined up and it was unreal. And then Friday, shout out to your buddy at Loco as well, same.
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Whitney
He owns local. And Park. He owns park.
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Biz
Okay, well he must be a gazillionaire. Did he buy fucking Bezos last yacht?
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Keith
Because he bought the ship that takes them to Mars.
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Biz
Okay, no shit, no shit.
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Whitney
Spelled his name wrong though. Couldn't go on. The flight sucked. Yeah, the parks. Listen, Park City is the perfect venue for that. It's this outdoor bar, incredible spot. And we got there around 6:15 and I think technically like our section was like going till 9 or 9:15 and then all these ball hockey players are like, hey, can, can we like open this up to the public? There's all these girls out there that want to come in. So I went to my buddy Shawzy, I said, hey, these guys want to kind of open it up, like get, you know, get some females in here, change this ratio around.
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Biz
Maybe that's what screwed us.
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Whitney
Well, yeah, I ended up fucking quite early, but apparently like the next morning I'm hearing ridiculous stories of these guys having a time and a half, which then I'm told they got home at 11. So I don't know who to believe, but I do know that the setup at Park City and then him setting you guys up at local for dinners is just top notch. So shout out Mike Shaw, shout out the Broadway group. And if you're ever.
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Biz
And since we're on the topic of ladies, Merle's a text in the group chat. I spent a lot of time with him this weekend. The women's division at, at this tournament they play their clits off. And it's okay to say that? No, no, I got clearance to say that because it was kind of the inside joke between me and the females. Yan's, if you're okay. You okay? Whoa, you can't.
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Keith
What do you mean they gave you the okay?
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Biz
They gave me. They played their fucking clits off, buddy. They were so much so that they did have one complaint. So the only people that are allowed to take slap shots in the tournament is the men's A division. Ball hockey. I don't know what the reason is as to why the other divisions can't, including the females, but we're going to look into why that can't happen. I would imagine it's like an insurance thing where these guys don't want clap bombs going off you know these girls ankles and faces and you know, we got to protect their money makers as well us and not so much. So we'll look into that and hopefully get things changed up. But the effort that these ladies show and how hard they play to win a chick like it was, it was incredible to watch and we appreciate them coming and showing support as well. So shout out to the women's division and hopefully that can keep growing as well.
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Whitney
And I want to. Merle's asked us to give a little update on his team. There was a lot of talk that it was the biggest sandbagging team in Chiclets cup history because I believe were.
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Biz
They Sea Division, they were C Division and Mercy. Two teams.
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Whitney
The Upstate Stars, they were crushing teams. They had Merls, they had army for the first day and they had Rob Shrimp. I mean to the point where somebody was skating up to Rob Shrimp and like this team has three NHLers like Armstrong, Murley and some other guy. And then Shremp didn't say a word, won the face off. Back went down, toe dragged. Two people went bar down. He's like, yeah, I'm the third NHL and I'm Rob Shrump. So they were killing everyone. But they wanted to. Merles wanted me to make it clear that they were not sandbagged. They, they got Mercy in the championship 16 to 6. So they got completely crushed in Roller C championship. So they got, I mean I guess if you get mercy ruled in the final game, big deal. Select style. You, you, you aren't sandbaggers. So I don't think we can call them that even with the amount of.
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Biz
NHL they have to clear the air. We did not get mercy. We got beat I believe eight to four in the final. Also a good opportunity to bring up Bobby Hauser, who's a Boston ball hockey legend. He. He's also on my team. The Big Deal selects. His family, I believe was the one who helped us solidify the. The tile.
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Whitney
The MS.3 surfaces.
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Biz
MS.3 surface. So this is the first time that Chiclets cup has had that surface and probably why I could actually play the full five games. Well, I guess not the final and, and why I don't completely feel like I've been in a car accident. Although my hips and ankles and knees are, are killing me. So we will never moving forward not have that surface for at least the top divisions of roller and ball hockey. So shout out to Houser and, and those surfaces and, and it was a complete game changer. I actually felt like I had some Hands out there.
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Keith
You were not. You were nice with it, Biz.
- [27:52]
Whitney
I mean, you blocked a shot. You went down and blocked the shot in the championship. I, I even. I went to give you a pound on the way out, but you, you know, you didn't want anything to do with me. And I think it was all lost, really, when you were sitting there. And I didn't. I didn't really mind it because I got it where you were coming from and all the heat we've given you. But Biz stood above the net during the str. The Stranglers semifinal game and just chirped the entire time. Like, I'm talking relentless. Like, non stop. Yap, yap, yap away. And I'm sitting there like it's his time to chirp. We're losing. This guy's been the butt of the joke for the last six Chicklets Cups. I get it. But also, they haven't won shit yet. Like, I would almost think that a guy like, with the character of biz is like, I'm going to keep my mouth shut till the end of this tournament when I'm raising the trophy and I'm able to then talk shit to anyone I want. But that didn't work out, did it? Biz did it. And, and, you know, like, you could say you have the recipe, but we'll. We'll see. We. We'll think of a bet. I'll bet you anything. I do want to say, though, that for anyone who, like, thinks we're overblowing this, this Chiclets cup, because when I went into the first one, I was kind of like, I don't really picture what's going on here. Like, I'm. I brought my wife. My wife came with with Ryder and Wyatt. Like, she's like, that's the coolest thing I've ever seen. Like, every person there is having a blast. There's all these different things for kids to do with accuracy shooting, fastest shot. There's all these different games. There's. We had Sweat House with the cold tubs. We had. What else? We had all the food trucks. So it was like, it's a really cool event that you don't charge anyone anything to come to. So where was a bunch of people from Boston that came? It was just an awesome time. I love the tournament and I can't wait. It's. It's Groundhog's Day, though, because. Same thing as the second round or the first round in April. It's the same thing as Chiclets cup in September. Biz loses.
- [29:46]
Biz
And then I, I saw one guy chirping online, like, enough with the, the ball hockey. Like, this is a joke. Like if you're one of those people listening and you're like, oh, this. Sign up. Sign a team up.
- [29:56]
Keith
Put a team in.
- [29:57]
Biz
Put a, put a team in. And then you're gonna have JP Mo running circles around you banging your old lady. And then you're gonna have Canadian oldie, Canadian FA in your face. And then TR Senior talking your ear off while we body bag you.
- [30:12]
Keith
Like when we played you guys, it was six rows of people deep. Like there was probably 1500 to 2000 people there. I, I got three texts today, dude, can't believe the intensity of those games. That was unbelievable. Brought my kids. They thought it was amazing. Like, it was one of the coolest things I've been a part of. Like not playing in the NHL anymore. Like where you get in your competitive juices going, like, it's just one of those things. Then you feel a part of a team again. It was amazing. Like, that was. It's such a good take, man. Like you guys put. The amount of time you guys put into it is incredible. And it shows with the product.
- [30:44]
Army
It's the best guys weekend of the year. And if I like to always highlight a few people who didn't play in the tournament but made the trip out. There was these two guys who made the trip from Edmonton. They flew across the continent. They made a guys weekend of it.
- [30:57]
Whitney
They, my guys, they hit the Red.
- [30:59]
Army
Sox Thursday night, Chiclets cup Friday, Chiclets Cup Saturday, Pat's game on Sunday. It's like, that's exactly what they're looking for. They were just so happy to be there. Happy to watch some ball hockey. So that's what it's all about. That's exactly what the Chicklets cup is about.
- [31:15]
Keith
There was a lot of people from out of town.
- [31:17]
Whitney
They saw the Sox clinch on a walk off Friday night. Then all the games Saturday. And then they saw the Pats roll on Sunday. Great dudes. They're very worried. McDavid's gone. As am I during the games that Rider Ryder came to Stranglers semifinal game that they lost. Then we all went out for lunch and then he stayed for Ryder and White stayed for Big deal selects championship game. And he's standing there and he's like, why don't you play, dad? I was like, I coach. He's like, yeah, but why don't you play? I'm like, oh my God. This is like the first Time I'm like, my manhood's being questioned by my son. Actually, that's definitely not the first time that's happened. But I was like, God, maybe I should play in this. And. And then, no joke, yesterday morning I woke up and I felt like I play. I said, right, I'll never play in that turn.
- [32:05]
Keith
I gotta. Can I shut off my squad?
- [32:07]
Biz
Yeah. Oh, you're go. Your guys were great. Yeah, they were awesome.
- [32:10]
Keith
Like, wait, how fun was it being in that locker? I gotta go through the lineup. Like, I know it's our first tournament. These guys put in a ton of work. Like Brendan Collier, Scotty Simpson setting up the team, getting all the guys together, having a check tech chain going. Like, Brendan Collier worked overnights all week. He worked overnight on Wednesday night, Thursday night, so he could come show up to the game. Didn't sleep a minute. Shows up. Scotty Simpson, blew out his Achilles. Literally texted me on, on Friday night. Was like, I'm thinking of taping it up and wearing a cast so I can play. I'm like, dude, just don't. Just let it heal you.
- [32:43]
Whitney
You'll.
- [32:43]
Keith
You'll be there next year. But he texted me again this morning. I'm sick about this weekend. We got to run it back. Like, these guys are dialed in. Paul Carey, guy who played in the NHL, played 100 games in the NHL. Nasty and an absolute dog. He had first day, first day. He had cut some bolts shins. Unbelievable. Looked like Ra Swaggy P. Like I had the pleasure of playing against Swaggy P in high school. And he's a tiny guy, small guy, but a heart of a lion. Like this guy.
- [33:11]
Whitney
Animal.
- [33:12]
Keith
There's one. I saw one video online. He got cross checked so hard one time that it would and didn't say a word. Goes back, wants to get out there. Like, you see him on his Instagram, you'd think he's just like a flashy toe drag guy. He is an absolute dog. Take him on my team any day. Any guy on the Stranglers, I'm taking every day. Woodsy, dude, Mike woods, one of my all time favorite teammates. This guy is unbelievable. Had it. Brought his daughter to the game. She's nine days old. Biz most guys, if they have a daughter, nine days, like you're not even playing. Like your wife's like, nah, dude, you gotta stay home.
- [33:46]
Biz
His still had the umbilical cord on.
- [33:48]
Keith
His girl was in the locker room. His daughter was in the locker room. Just a family event right there. And a guy like, we asked him one time. We needed a little energy. Wit's like woodsy. We need some energy. Get out there. Runs a guy. Then he ends up scoring. Like just knows how to just be a teammate. Unbelievable. And has one of the best tattoos I've ever seen. He's from the town where the movie the town is from. The bank robbers. And he's got the. The bank robbers dressed as nuns on his back. It's unbelievable. Just great stuff. Pat Fiddler, man. Like one of the all time great hockey families from Charleston. Like true elite. Elite hockey family. And this guy, I think he. I think I counted 96 blocks that he had. This is this. This goes for him and the rest of my team. Didn't wear gloves. Didn't wear shin pads, like blocking gloves.
- [34:39]
Whitney
Things crazy to me.
- [34:40]
Biz
That's crazy.
- [34:42]
Whitney
Like.
- [34:42]
Keith
And there was one. Woodsy got hit, got into a little bit of scuffle. And Fidz jumps off the bench like I have never seen. Dude, he was going to kill. Kill this guy. Thank God he didn't let it sleep. Let cooler heads prevail.
- [34:57]
Whitney
Just.
- [34:57]
Keith
But just a true teammate. Unbelievable guy. Who else we got here? Sees big, young, strong boy. He'll be back. He'll be back. Ready to go. These guys just need to play a little more. A little more ball hawking. We'll be ready.
- [35:10]
Biz
I'm excited to see your team again. Yeah, it's great. Great guys. Obviously Billy Smith.
- [35:14]
Keith
Whit, my cousin, brought it good. He was great. Brought it every game. Bush bond. The big bush man. Firing from everywhere. You know, 21 years old. Gonna get on the fire soon, hopefully. And just like out there playing with the boys. Just loving it. Having a time. Robbie B. Stud eating pox. No shimpa.
- [35:34]
Whitney
Yeah.
- [35:35]
Keith
We had a big team.
- [35:36]
Biz
Holy shit.
- [35:36]
Keith
Torren Snyderman on my team. His wife was. Dude, that weekend he played.
- [35:41]
Whitney
I was taking his phone for games. He's like, dude, this thing's probably going off like. So I'm holding his phone the whole time. And then we never. Luckily we, you know. He didn't get the call, did you? Poor guy. On one of the teams who won it? Who broke his ankle? 10 seconds into his first shift of the first game.
- [35:58]
Keith
Snyderman broke his thumb first shift of the first game. Didn't tell anyone till the last day. As soon as we got eliminated. Warrior TJ o'. Brien. Gritty dude. Just loves doing it. Hates to lose.
- [36:10]
Whitney
Great.
- [36:11]
Keith
In the locker room. Ben Tolman. That's. That was nose faces guy. So one of the two guys on our team that played Ball hockey. He was unbelievable with.
- [36:21]
Whitney
Nose face is so good.
- [36:23]
Keith
Nose face. I got it written down here.
- [36:25]
Whitney
He.
- [36:25]
Keith
His beautiful face when he. When his time is done at ball hockey, he's. His beautiful face is going to be on the Mount Rushmore. Ball hockey.
- [36:32]
Whitney
Yeah.
- [36:32]
Dallas Drake
Or.
- [36:33]
Whitney
Or like, you know, like Men's Health or something. I. I also. I didn't know that his brother was one of the refs. We still couldn't win. Didn't like he didn't give us a call. I know, but an amazing weekend.
- [36:46]
Keith
Someone called Nose Face a malnourished Ovechkin.
- [36:51]
Biz
That's a great comparison.
- [36:53]
Keith
And our goalie was unreal too. Andrew.
- [36:55]
Biz
Unbelievable.
- [36:56]
Whitney
Kicking, kicking. Thank you everyone for taking apart. It's just incredible body armor. Lucy. The nicotine pouches everywhere. Sweat house. It was awesome. Taylor Ray from Barstool. The Barstool staff, Mariah from Hockey Fest. Thank you to everyone and I think we can move on. But an awesome weekend and the big deal select lose again. It's nuts.
- [37:18]
Biz
I love my team.
- [37:20]
Whitney
Yeah, I know. You get the recipe Harpoon Brewery as well. Thank you to Harpoon Brewery. I met the CEO. He loved it. Apparently they have Oktoberfest coming up with like 13,000 people there over the weekend. So they. They were able to fit us in there. We'll get over to the NHL now. And as we were kind of rumbling around the Harpoon Brewery grounds, news broke. Can't believe it. Feel horrible for the guy and Florida Panthers fans everywhere. Barkov out for the season with a torn ACL and mcl. Keith, you want to know something sick about this, right? When it was announced biz goes Leafs year, that was his.
- [38:00]
Biz
No, no, no. Hey, listen, listen. If you guys are trying to pin it as like I'm celebrating this guy's injury, you're out of your mind.
- [38:09]
Whitney
Didn't say no celebration at all. But your first thought was Leaf's year.
- [38:14]
Keith
He didn't say anything like, oh, my God, that's horrible. Barov. What he's given to guys.
- [38:18]
Biz
That's clear. Guys. You guys know how I feel about Sasha Barkov. Come on, boys. You're trying to make me look like an ass asshole here. This guy is irreplaceable. True. He's irreplaceable.
- [38:29]
Whitney
Truly.
- [38:31]
Biz
Like, I'm not going to lie.
- [38:33]
Dallas Drake
There's.
- [38:33]
Biz
Whoa. Time out. There's. I am very sorry that this happened, man. I do not want to see this guy out of the lineup. He's price admission every single fucking game. There's very few players in the league where if you need a draw one, you're throwing on the ice. If you need PK1, you're throwing them on the ice. If you need PP1, he's getting thrown on the ice. If you need a big goal, he's getting thrown in the ice. Six on five, he's on the ice. We need you to shut down the other best players in the world. We're putting you matched up on the ice against them. Hey, we need you to lug 22 minutes of ice time and play a full 200 foot game. We're throwing you on the ice. So I, I know I have this least delusion, but please don't let that be clouded by the fact that I feel so terrible for not only the Panthers hockey fans in general, but also Sasha Barkov at the fact that he sustained this injury in like, I don't wanna say I'm in meaningless fashion but just in, in practice, before the season even gets going. So very innocent apologies to, to Yans and, and anybody else who's offended by me saying that. And that's the first thought coming out of my head. But by no means do I want to see this guy out of the lineup. I want them, I want to see him, Tkachuk, I want to see, I want to beat a healthy Florida Panthers team. If I'm Toronto, I don't want the excuse that they don't have Sasha Barkovin and maybe not Matthew Tkachuk or whoever else they're losing so that, that I have to get that off my chest. And a perfect opportunity for not only Sam Bennett who just signed that big extension, but also a guy like Lundell where I feel like Lundell on, on you know, 80% of the teams in the league, if not 90% of the teams league, he's a second line center. So he's going to have the opportunity on a very team friendly deal, probably making peanuts like three, three and a half, four million bucks for the next three fucking seasons where he's going to be able to, to showcase himself where by the time that deal's up, he probably going to get a Sam Bennett fucking payday based on what he brings. So my apologies guys. That was the first thing that came to my head because I'm a Leafs jock sniffer. But no, I want none of that smoke from anyone in Florida land.
- [40:41]
Whitney
And I never took that as like you were happy.
- [40:44]
Biz
No at all like, but that.
- [40:46]
Whitney
Because I know you and I know you and anyone who would try to spin that it was more just like your brain Just goes to like Leafs like that. It was more like, oh my God, this guy's now like, wow, like a little easier path. Like, I didn't want that, but easier path. Now you bring up Lundell. So now their top two centers are Bennett Lundell. Like, I think so many teams would take that. I, I think that Lundell loose to Ryan and Marshawn line. They were unstoppable. Marshawn was the best player in the finals. You can't do anything against that line. But I'm very interested to see if Lundell is like a 70 point. I mean he's had 44 points, 45 points. And then like the other two years were in the 30s. Awesome player. I, I don't know though. Like, maybe I'm completely proven wrong. Can he just hop in and be a 70 to 80 point guy? I right now say no now. Keith, do you agree, Disagree?
- [41:44]
Keith
I, I think it'll be a great test for him. Like Biz said, it's like his opportunity. He, I think he signed. I think he's got five more years at like.
- [41:50]
Biz
No, I think he's got, he's, he's, he's on till 20, 29. Oh, so maybe I'm wrong.
- [41:57]
Keith
Is it five more? Yeah. So it's like he, he's, he's made his money, he's comfortable, he's had a good, he's signed a good deal. But like you said, like, to be an elite player, like, you got to show it. You got to go out there and prove it. And I think he's one of those guys that's like, this is my time. Like, I've been learning from Barky. He. I've been his understudy for the last four or five years. I want this time. I, I don't think he's a guy that's going to be shying away for it. So I think it'll be a great test. Obviously, you cannot, cannot fill the shoes of Sasha Barkov in any role, whether it's in the locker room, on the ice, like you can't do it. But I think he's going to give them a great chance to at least kind of be right there and not miss him as much as other teams might miss him, him being your third line center. But I like, I still would like to see him playing with Marchie and Lucy. Like, they were still a great line. So, you know, there's a lot of things to be worked out. They still got some time before the season starts, but horrible, horrible news for, for Them. I'm. I'm gutted for him too because of Olympics. I know how much pride he takes in that. Like he's won two cups the last year to cap it off with the Olympics. We haven't had Olympics in how many years? Like so I'm gutted for him from that. But not my words.
- [43:10]
Biz
Also saying that like for a guy like me. Yeah, that's probably a nine month timeline. This is what I was just gonna say something. Something tells me a guy like Sasha Barkov and he's just an absolute freak of nature. Wolverine. Yeah, I, I wouldn't be shocked if he comes back a lot sooner than expected.
- [43:30]
Whitney
Seven months would be the end of April. Like these playoffs.
- [43:38]
Keith
Right.
- [43:38]
Whitney
Maybe I'm crazy, but the. It seems like athletes with ACLs are coming back way quicker than they used to and they're not going to force it. But if he's in the lineup game one of the first round, I'm not going to be surprised at all. Right. That would be. That would be six and a half months or even the second round. Now the Lundell thing for me, it's not necessarily just his game, but it's more like the matchups he now has to deal with that he's never had to deal with.
- [44:06]
Keith
Like that's true.
- [44:07]
Whitney
He's never dealt with any of that. So cool storyline to watch going in. But that whole Barkov thing. Yeah. I mean with all the training and all the different things you can do for rehab now, right away, immediately post surgery, you're like doing stuff in, in the pool, in the water. I don't think that he's like, I don't think he'll be out once the playoffs come. Maybe I'm. I'm wrong once again. But the cap hit thing is where the, the change is. Because last year. Go ahead Biz I.
- [44:39]
Biz
Because obviously the. Yeah. You're going to talk about the cap situation when it comes to playoff where there's no more cap circumcision. Right. Where this would have been the perfect opportunity for them. Not saying that there's anyone that they go to replace Barkov, but that's also a lot of money where they can go fill some holes in the meantime. Now the one name that comes to mind is Ross Levick. He still hasn't signed. Right. And he plays center. Correct?
- [45:05]
Whitney
No clue.
- [45:07]
Biz
I'm pretty sure he plays center ice or can. So is that a guy in the meantime where you let him.
- [45:13]
Whitney
You.
- [45:13]
Biz
You test him out and see what he's able to provide and then maybe Figure whatever else out down the road if Barkov does come back. So I know we've been talking about him. He hasn't been able to get the contract that he wants. I know Edmonton offered him a one year deal to come. Hey, come prove it. You know Edmonton's gonna go deep in a playoff, so you're getting a perfect showcase for the rest of the league on a very deep team. But maybe that's a guy who ends up in Florida and that's just at the top of my head to. In order to replace him in the short amount of time. But yeah, just an absolute kick in the dick given the fact that they're going to be out without him and Kachuk for at least the first half of the season. But yeah, you talk about it all the time like they don't give a fuck if they get a wild card.
- [45:55]
Whitney
Right.
- [45:55]
Biz
Care if they're starting every series out on the road and their season, especially this year after going back to back and then three straight finals, it doesn't start till January any. Anyway. Yeah, so.
- [46:05]
Keith
Exactly.
- [46:06]
Whitney
And with the cap, if they were to want the full 10 million, it would be. They'd have to announce him out for the entire season and playoffs. Now if they don't do that, they're able to use the average NHL salary as a replacement, which I think is 3.8 million. So that's been kind of the change. That's, that's, that's what I read. I'm pretty sure that's correct. So they can add a player, just not a $10 million.
- [46:33]
Keith
8 million so that player could play.
- [46:35]
Whitney
He does play center biz. That's not a bad call.
- [46:38]
Biz
I think you go sign Rosic and I don't know if he.
- [46:40]
Whitney
I don't think of him as like a Panther type system, but I wouldn't have thought Evan Rodriguez was either.
- [46:46]
Biz
Oh yeah, Oliver Eman Larson. Nope.
- [46:49]
Whitney
Yeah, but he's a big defenseman who.
- [46:51]
Biz
Can move like Mikola. Like, like, you name it. They.
- [46:56]
Whitney
Yeah, but I'm saying that fits into Florida with an enormous back end like Rossovich is. Yeah, like true.
- [47:02]
Biz
I, I get Rodriguez is probably the perfect example of like a skill guy. You may be. I mean he was pretty good in Pittsburgh, but. Yeah, in Buffalo you would have said never do. I see that being part of this guy's identity. But once again, he doesn't have to be the guy. He just needs to be one of the guys that buys in. And if you're going to showcase yourself, you want to save a little Money with no state tax on that one year deal. Boy, you go down there just like Marchie said. Clearly an advantage.
- [47:30]
Whitney
Felt horrible. Horrible for whoever the defenseman was who kind of poke check Barky a little bit. Got his. It was so innocent.
- [47:39]
Biz
It looked like it was Mikola.
- [47:40]
Whitney
And was it?
- [47:42]
Biz
It looked like it was.
- [47:43]
Whitney
I was just hoping it wasn't some poor kid that was like trying to make the team. Now that sounds a little ridiculous. That's not going to affect it all.
- [47:50]
Biz
The brought him out behind the barn staff.
- [47:52]
Whitney
No, that. It didn't mean anything. But it still sucks if you're the guy that like tore, you know, was a part of the contact that tore his ACL and mcl. Maybe that's why they're. They're adding the time on because it wasn't just acl. Maybe the MCL tear makes it a little bit longer, as people know.
- [48:08]
Biz
I was just going to say if he did get snipped, we would offer him a contract with the Gargoyles. But then I would get fucking shredded to pieces if I said that. So I'm not going to say it.
- [48:16]
Whitney
Okay. Okay. Met a kid at Park City that's worked at Park City all summer that's going on a PTO to Gargoyles camp. Let's go. We need more bartenders. I said good luck, buddy.
- [48:30]
Army
There was three Gargoyles there. There were three different Gargoyles there.
- [48:34]
Keith
Hell yeah.
- [48:35]
Whitney
Are any of them signed?
- [48:36]
Army
All of them, I think, were signed.
- [48:38]
Whitney
No, one kid's on a pto.
- [48:40]
Army
Yeah.
- [48:41]
Whitney
Okay.
- [48:41]
Keith
Keith, Kim, Kade, I heard was asking for a tryout in.
- [48:44]
Biz
Yeah, but he's too expensive. And then, you know, I just. We're talking numbers and I'm like, I don't know.
- [48:51]
Whitney
Well, Biz, I know that the Leafs were on your mind with the news of the. Of the cup champs losing their star player. They were in the news as well with the resigning of Anthony Stolarts. I'll let you take it away, but I'll leave. I'll start with this. Had no idea he finished fifth in Vesna trophy voting last year. He was that good. I didn't realize Wolf started more than him. And we can mention too that Joseph Wall had to take a leave of absence for some family reasons. Our thoughts go out to him and his family. I hope everything's okay. I hope everything works out and you're able. And Wall's able to get back into the lineup as soon as possible. But Stolas, what do you think, Biz?
- [49:30]
Biz
Four years just quickly Going back to Wall. Like, yeah, like we don't, we never know what it is with the mental health stuff with these players, but the fact that they're like, that they, you know, get ahead of it and, and ask for this is the way to do it. Guys, like I'm sure there's other people like Patrick Line A took a little bit of a leave at absence so, you know, that's okay sometimes and sometimes these guys need it, you know, especially playing in a market like Toronto and you know, it's a lot man. So just, you know, take care of yourself and the game as, as big as an important as it is as a part of their life, it's not at the top of the list. So hopefully he gets better and he's back soon because he's a very important part of that, that tandem in net and just shifting over to Stolars, man, I mean the fact that they got him at that number, I think that's a testament to the buy in of this group. You know, obviously he loves Toronto. He likes the fact of all the success that he's been able to have there with not only the way he's played, but the guys in front of him. I think it also speaks volumes to the work that Tree Living has done this off season. I think that going from the end of playoffs to now, I think you'd be out of your mind to not give him an A as to how he's been able to replace Mitch Marner and, and use that money to spread it around to fill in other holes that they might have had in the lineup. And you said it, man. A guy who's fifth in Vesna voting, like, do you get that guy at that number? If a guy like JT doesn't take 3 million to come back and, and, and play for the Toronto Maple Leafs, this guy's coming off a 40 goal season and he sets the, the precedent at the top. And I just, I think that it's just awesome to see that, you know, obviously you have Austin and, and Willie making all that money, but other than that I just wait. I love the way that it's being distributed throughout the lineup at this point and that's what you have to do in order to win. And clearly that Tree Living has, has explained this to these guys and the fact that he has had that buy in from them and their agents is just unbelievable. And that's why I'm convinced it's their year to win a Stanley Cup. They are finally, you can't have four Guys making all the money you got. You got a few guys. I think Austin Matthews is worth the $13 million tag. I don't agree with what Avery was saying on the last podcast and how many people might think that and Willie in his regular season and playoff numbers, I think they speak for themselves and the rest of the guys can, can have the rest of the money and get it done. Like, look at what Michelle's done so far in preseason. I'm not saying it's regular season, but I think he's a 70, 80 point guy playing with Auston Matthews. If he's, if he ends up being in that spot, I think that, you know, it helps out Lawton having HUA in that third line slot where Lawton's going to chew up other fourth line centers. Um, I love the. I, I don't know why Vancouver got off of Dakota Joshua. And all of a sudden we talk about playoff hockey and playing against a team like Florida and how big and how they bully their opponent. Well, we get a guy who's got plenty of Runway to get better and coming off a very difficult year where he had testicular cancer, where if you look to the year before that, I think there's fucking 31 other teams in the league that would have been hungry to sign Dakota Joshua at the money that he's making for what he can provide. So this team is deep, they're big. They got buy in contract wise and they are, are, are set to go have a miracle season and end this ridiculous drought in Toronto.
- [53:04]
Whitney
Yeah, them in the big deal selects the, the cap. It is 3.75. That's what biz. That's what biz is talking about.
- [53:10]
Biz
The number bargain under 8 million for.
- [53:12]
Whitney
Him and JT 8.13 for him and JT and okay, well, and, and yeah, very nice. And the nice deal is really nice deal. I like that contract a lot. But when you talk about the buy in and the contract, Matthews has three more years at 13.25. Let's see. Like, because it starts from the top down, you can mention Tavares, who's what got two, three seasons left and you can mention Stolars, who is a tandem goalie with Wall. Let's, let's see if you're, if your leader is willing to really do what you're saying in terms of leaving money for everyone else after the next three seasons.
- [53:48]
Biz
So hey, listen, if he, if, if, if he doesn't, if he doesn't like elevate his play a little bit more come playoff time and he ends up wanting to leave for more money. It's, it's a little disappointing.
- [54:02]
Whitney
Okay if that's McDavid. But he does elevate playoff time. He, he gets to another level.
- [54:08]
Biz
I think in a perfect world, you, you end up on the next one being able to lock in Matthews for that long seven, eight year extension and, and make him a, a Toronto Maple Leaf forever. And at that point he's going to go down if he's not already the greatest Toronto Maple Leaf of all time. Like people, that conversation has to start because we just, you know, crowned the new NHL goal leader of all time. And Alexander Ovechkin, let's not forget Austin Matthews is on a a better pace currently to break that record. So I don't think 13 million, 13 and change is a ridiculous number for a guy who had 69 goals. Giggity.
- [54:53]
Whitney
The team. They also brought in James Reimer on a PTO who started his career with the Leafs years ago.
- [55:00]
Keith
Booed him out of town.
- [55:02]
Biz
Another guy, another guy who can run Bible study just like my boy Andy who we had for the big deal selects.
- [55:08]
Whitney
You need.
- [55:09]
Biz
You need that Shane Doane. You need that rhymer.
- [55:12]
Whitney
You need Jesus.
- [55:13]
Biz
We, you know, Jesus saves. Jesus saves.
- [55:17]
Whitney
Truly, truly walks on water. Boy.
- [55:22]
Biz
I think it's a good time to announce my celibacy for the season until the the Leafs win their, their first ever Stanley cup in the last how many ever fucking years?
- [55:31]
Keith
80. Biz please know you will be bad.
- [55:34]
Biz
No weed, no, no jerking. Just strictly winning, baby.
- [55:41]
Whitney
Just reading the Bible.
- [55:44]
Biz
Just, just reading. In hockey, baby. Reading the Bible and hockey.
- [55:49]
Whitney
All of a sudden biz is just. What is it? Psalms? Are they Psalms? Is that what they're called?
- [55:54]
Biz
Psalms?
- [55:55]
Whitney
P S, a L M S Psalms.
- [55:58]
Biz
Instead of calluses on my palms, I'm going to be reading Psalms.
- [56:05]
Keith
How long do you think you could.
- [56:06]
Whitney
Last Biz you guys about that. Remember, remember that. What is that guy's name? Josh. Oh that good looking actor back in the day. Kind of a heartthrob for the ladies in like the early 2000s. Josh Hartnett. There's a movie about him trying to do what biz is talking about. I think he ends up exploding in a wet dream at one point in the film. I don't remember exactly but that would probably.
- [56:30]
Biz
When's the last time you had a wet dream?
- [56:33]
Whitney
I don't know. I told Keith before I'd pay to have one. Those things were unbelievable when you were little.
- [56:38]
Biz
I've had. I think it was a couple years ago and I Woke up and I just finished. Literally, like peeing came as I woke.
- [56:45]
Whitney
Up and I was like, no, that was another piss bed.
- [56:48]
Biz
And. And, oh, we got to tell a story after this story. But I rarely, rarely sleep on my stomach. And I was like, basically the mattress. And that's because I thought I was fucking in the dream, right? And then boom, woke up, came and it was. Oh, it was, it was the best. Is the best. Like, that might be my talk if I could. I should. I should have married the mattress that I had that night. And I would be satisfied forever. I don't think I would cheat the way that she performed.
- [57:18]
Whitney
Mattress still takes half your dough.
- [57:20]
Keith
Somehow a first NHL goal or that feeling.
- [57:24]
Biz
Hey, I got bedbugs. Getting me off now. For crying out loud. I think it's time for an intervention.
- [57:29]
Whitney
What's this guy into? A thousand thread sheets.
- [57:33]
Biz
Yeah, like I'm the. Yeah, the Bonnie Blue of bedbugs. Got a thousand bedbugs on my. Just thumping my mattress. Oh, so this is a classic. So we told the story about me wet in the bed at the Internet Invitational. So we post the clip on Instagram and a friend of mine sends me the clip that I hooked up with. And I forgot when I was in Boston that, yeah, I fucking wet basically the entire bed. So we had to snuggle on a sliver of the bed the rest of the night. So I tell with the story and he goes, hey, my buddy just texted me about a girl who said that you wet the bed with her in Boston. And I said, oh, yeah, no, I know. I got a text from her and I. And he's like, no, it's a different one. I don't even remember. I don't even remember that one. I'm. Now I'm like, I'm curious to know how many times have I like, you know, hooked up with a friend and wet the fucking bed.
- [58:39]
Keith
You better start sending some mattresses.
- [58:41]
Whitney
Like, whoa, how much did he drink? He had 11 body armors, but there was no alcohol involved.
- [58:50]
Keith
Hey, you know how Derek Jeter, like sent girls off with like a Tiffany's bracelet or whatever his has to give them new mattresses. 50 grand in the holes.
- [59:00]
Biz
Mattresses they got, they got a, they got a pee pad, a deodorizer. They got.
- [59:05]
Whitney
Instead of getting the gift package with the signed ball and the cards and the Yankees had. It's. It's just biz giving someone another 650 with a fucking big ass mattress in the bed of the truck.
- [59:20]
Biz
I got a. Fuck the pens Pee pads, bedbug killers.
- [59:26]
Whitney
Josh is taking all the pictures. Does an amazing job. Oh, the pictures he has from this sandbagger. Guys, this sandbagger was electric. Oh, so he has your phone, right? And he's in your Instagram because he's always posting for you. So we're just shooting the shit. I go, let me see the DMs. He's like, I don't. I don't ever go on that. I go, give me the phone. I'll look. The first one is a new message from a girl. Please, Biz, just give me five minutes.
- [59:52]
Biz
I don't. I. I didn't see that one. I was too zoned in on our bagger and laughing at how canned these guys were off pink Whitney shots. But we won't give too much away.
- [60:02]
Whitney
No, we won't, we won't, we won't. We got it. There's another big signing and we talked about this. I think.
- [60:08]
Biz
Well, the last thing I was going to say is if you want to put some money down about me not, you know, going celibate or tugging one off. Let's roll. But I would. I would put a chastity belt on. I would put a full. I would be wearing like a. Like, basically like the pens, but it would be a big metal chassis.
- [60:25]
Whitney
Get a two in one.
- [60:28]
Keith
You'd find a way.
- [60:29]
Whitney
Yeah.
- [60:32]
Biz
My hairy bubble gum sticking out of.
- [60:34]
Whitney
The side starts a fire, rubbing, like, metal on metal on. His chastity belt burns his hog off. Poor guy.
- [60:41]
Biz
But what was the other signing?
- [60:43]
Whitney
That would be Mason McTavish.
- [60:46]
Biz
Oh, yes. Six, seven, six.
- [60:50]
Whitney
I saw that. Frank. Frank Nazar did that. Six, seven. Still no clue what that means. I'll tell you what, though. I get a kick out of it for some reason. Like, it's not, like, annoying to me yet. Maybe it's because Ryder's not doing that. He's not into that classic rider story. By the way, we're playing a game. I forgot to tell us. This was two weekends ago. He threw a pizza up the middle like his old man could have never dreamed of. We're up five, three. With, like three minutes left. Kid buries it. I'm like, change. He's skating off the ice. I'm, like, kind of looking at him, and he just looks at me. He's like, am I playing mini golf with mom after this?
- [61:27]
Keith
That's beautiful.
- [61:28]
Whitney
I was like, oh, my God. Seven year old playing hockey is classic stuff. But Mason McTavish, guys. I said it might be a while because he headed back to Ottawa to skate with the 67s, but it was done. It was done relatively quick. He was in practice today for the Anaheim Ducks six year deal at 7 million per year. I hope I didn't get that backwards. And I kind of love this number and term. Now the problem being for Verbeek, it's not really a problem. It's a good problem, I guess is he still has Lacombe, he still has Cutter Gaultier, he still has Leo Carlsen, he still has Pavel Menshikov and somebody else. There's another person in there that are all up after next season. All RFAs, I believe, but still like to get this guy in as your second line center. You got to get Carlson done. He's your future. One, one or even now, first line center, relatively good number. I think that he's going to grow on what he's done already. 52 points last year and I think he's. I think he's going to be a 70 point player, make it 7 million bucks the next six seasons. Who plays hard, who's good on all ends of the ice. He's competitive, he's got a little mean streak. So I love the signing and I'm glad it didn't go on too long because as you know, with me and Pasha, I'm. I'm all in on the Ducks. I need the Ducks to be good. I need them to get a cup before the Devils do. So I don't know, Keith, what you started the deal or biz, but it.
- [62:58]
Keith
Just sets the precedent. Like you said. All those guys that need to be signed, that they know they can't come in and bully Verbeek, like it's going to be. You're going to have to work for your money. You're going to have to earn it too though, right? You got to go out and earn it. You got to put up points, you got to help your team win games. And I think that kind of sets, sets that, that precipitant right there, especially with Q there too. Like it's their win now. Like you don't bring Joel Quenville in to have a rebuild. So those guys, like, I would imagine he's having conversations with them. You guys go out, prove yourself. You're going to get your money, you're going to have, you know, get some term. You guys are going to be together for a long time. Because is there a better, younger crew in the NHL? I, I don't think there is, but I love Anaheim.
- [63:39]
Biz
Seriously, I love them and I don't feel guilty Hopping on the wagon.
- [63:42]
Whitney
The other guy is Zellweger, the defenseman. They got some great D men if they don't resign. Gudis, Truba, and one other person I can't think of. They'd have 49 million in cash.
- [63:56]
Biz
Yeah, they got plenty of money.
- [63:57]
Whitney
So money does Kreider have left?
- [64:01]
Biz
I would say 2 max would be my guess.
- [64:04]
Whitney
Dude, I kind of think he. Man, Keith, you're right, though. Bring it in. Q. This is, they need to make a big step this year. Yeah, they, they need to like, figure out. All right, maybe it's not even getting into the playoffs, but it's like final two weeks kind of just fighting and battling. Similar to Calgary last year. Anaheim. They cannot have another season when the season's over at the beginning of February.
- [64:30]
Keith
Right.
- [64:32]
Biz
Going back to the, like, the deal itself, like, I, I think you, you know exactly what this guy will be after six years. So that's why I, I like, I like it. I would imagine at the seven number they're probably pushing for five years, but I, I think it sets a great precedent for the other guys where, you know, it's, it's a little bit of a shorter window and yeah, I, I, yeah, I think it's a win for both sides. I guess the one shocking thing is how did they not get that figured out before training camp?
- [65:01]
Whitney
That's what I say at the end of all of these.
- [65:03]
Biz
Man, that one seemed like okay, but I don't know who was being greasier than the other side. But yeah, this is also, there was one guy who was not happy with me comparing them to the Nice thing, the nice deal, where I thought that Nice deserved to be making more than him, which I would say that that Nice's season last year because Nice hasn't played as long or as many games as McTavish in the NHL, got the playoff games. But right. Not only the way that he performed in playoffs last year, but I would say his overall body of work last year. McTavish has not reached that level yet.
- [65:40]
Whitney
No, he hasn't played with those players.
- [65:43]
Biz
That's another thing that you could, you could all argue, but, but his speed.
- [65:47]
Whitney
Is the difference in that in those players. So it's like, yes, in today's game, you see Nice skate. It's like, all right, that's a different beast right there, definitely.
- [65:58]
Biz
So I, I, I wasn't necessarily in agreement with that guy online. Not crazy about my comments comparing it to the nice deal and why nice should be making a, a stronger aav. But keep in mind, he got it with the sick the six years which is great for him. He gets to free agency a lot quicker and. And everybody wins. So I agree with you guys though. I'm really excited to see what this Anaheim team can do. They're not any threat to my Leafs, at least for now. So I have no problem making them my third to fourth team right now.
- [66:28]
Whitney
The other argument that guy could have had for you is that McTavish is a center, which is a much more important position than a winger. So at least most people think of it that way. But no, I'm with you. Nice. Nice. Making more makes a lot sense to. A lot more sense to me. Last I just want to bring up quickly after getting to interview this guy, I'm even a bigger fan. That was at the Outdoor Classic camp. Fowler resigned with St. Louis. He went over to St. Louis. I think he had 36 points in like 50 games. He was. I think they're leading scorer in the playoffs in that first round heartbreaking loss to Winnipeg. Game 7 all time. Game 7. That game was fucking out of control. Tying it up that late. But great deal. 6.1 for three more years. I believe that'll get his career earnings up to around 85 when that deal ends. But he is older, 34 years old. He skates like the wind. That's the guys you don't mind, the 34 year olds who skate like that who came over to St. Louis made Pareco even better. So that top pairing is money. I thought that made a lot of sense. Doug Armstrong said he loves it here. We love him. Kind of an easy one to do I think.
- [67:38]
Biz
I mean some guys get it all right.
- [67:40]
Keith
He.
- [67:41]
Biz
He got traded. Plays thousandth game at the Winter Classic. Two goals in that one. You know, you just said he's going to make 85 million. I think it just goes back to, to St. Louis and especially for guys who are maybe in the. On the back nine of their careers where it's such a great community, you can fly under the radar and, and you know, cost of living is incredible. The just the buy in from the team and the organization and, and what they have brewing there along with oh God, I'm drawing a blank. The, the taken over as GM in a few years here once and what he's probably going to be able to bring and, and the fact that unfortunately Tory Krug, who who had to call it a career based on his ankle injury like that's the perfect guy to bring over where he's got incredible offensive instincts. Reliable defensively. You mentioned he skates well, so it's not like he's gotten any slower over the course of, you know, how he's aged. So just a great signing to lock him in and continue to, you know, help grow that team.
- [68:41]
Whitney
And we have Arm Dog coming in in one second to talk about the special night in Pittsburgh that we want to get into from Mark Andre Fleury. The last signing is Pod Colson signed with Edmonton, so he has this year on his current deal. And after that it's an extension, a $2.95 million extension. I mean, a lot of people are like, you wouldn't pay Hallway and you give this guy 2.95.
- [69:07]
Biz
And it's a great point.
- [69:08]
Whitney
It. Yeah, but it's not because. Well, it is, but it's not because look at Hallway's next deal like that. This is the deal.
- [69:17]
Biz
They're going to have the money. Like, they're going to have plenty of it.
- [69:22]
Dallas Drake
Yeah.
- [69:23]
Biz
Fucking sign three more guys.
- [69:25]
Whitney
It was good.
- [69:26]
Biz
This does, this does. This does soften the blow on McDavid, though.
- [69:30]
Whitney
Yeah. Yeah, of course. In at 2.95. Don't worry. McJesus can leave now. We're good. Don't even worry about us. In.
- [69:36]
Biz
Hey, Leon loves him. Like, I feel like the, the, the.
- [69:41]
Whitney
The.
- [69:41]
Biz
The convers. You talk about Cody, CC and how much he meant to that team and how much Leon loved them. I'm hearing that Leon loves this Pod Colson guy that equally as much played.
- [69:50]
Whitney
With him a lot.
- [69:52]
Biz
Keeping. Keeping the big German happy is very important, too. And hey, if. If he's got his, his quote unquote, his kit, hey, go run in through the. The end wall and, and for check and get me that puck back. 3 million. Well worth it.
- [70:07]
Keith
That was a little unfair that he had to say Kunitz wet.
- [70:10]
Whitney
But, yeah, I don't. I don't mind it, though. I deserve it. I. I'm just getting beat down by everyone these days. It's okay. That's life. You get. You have your ups, you have your downs. You try to be right in the middle. Let's bring on army, because army was in attendance for one of the coolest, most original ideas that I've ever seen in Mark Andre Fleury signing a PTO to come back and play in the third period of an exhibition game for the Pittsburgh Penguins to a packed house, armed off.
- [70:39]
Biz
It was Army. It was his idea.
- [70:42]
Whitney
That was your idea.
- [70:43]
Army
It was probably Merls. That was Merls's idea. Hey, yeah.
- [70:45]
Whitney
Yes.
- [70:46]
Army
I got to it before you. Yeah, right. Yes.
- [70:48]
Keith
Bad Internet boys.
- [70:49]
Army
Great job at Chiclets Cup. Great seeing you guys. Great start to another season. It's going to be. It's going to be awesome, what we're doing. And game notes coming up here soon. So we're excited about a big year. I saw that tweet that everyone sent out with Gavin McKenna's first few games. I think Biz, you'll be there, right? You might be in attendance, which is.
- [71:07]
Biz
Yeah, if I don't get there Friday, I'm definitely going to go Saturday to check him out and hit up Mullet arena to watch the phenom hit the ice against asu. And it's also Tyson Nash's kid, Ty Nash. His first. Yeah. His first collegiate game on Friday as well.
- [71:23]
Army
Well, everything's coming up hockey, man. From Chicklets cup right into that. Right into the start of the season. But it started before that, like preseason. Boys generally brutal, right? Like, generally like, what are we getting? What's the crowd looking like? Well, yeah, we all played with Mark though, and Adam as teammate and we know his career, of course, what he is and you know, surefire hall of Famer. I didn't know what to expect. And maybe that's just me being dumb. Coming back from Chiclet's Cup, I didn't know what to expect for this game. Guys being able to call it. It was. It was one of those things where Biz, you actually put it into my brain because you're like, that's so cool that the Penguins are doing that for him. You know, that's so cool that he's going to come in and play and there's only certain guys. You know, I was talking to Sid about this idea too, before that game and he's like, how many guys can you do this for? Right? There's like, it's like the 1%ers of a guy, if you want to. If he leaves and he wants to come back. Yeah. And these guys, you could do this for certain guys. You can't do it for everyone. Like, it just doesn't make sense with how good you have to be or how many years you have to play there. So it just, it was just perfect for him to come back and amazing thoughtfulness to be able to put him in a game and. And the fans to have see him. And I didn't know what I was going to feel or what it was going to feel like being in that rink, but seeing the highlights. Last few days, I was at the morning skate before the game and watching his energy on the ice, guys, you know how he is. He's just like, this guy just cranks it up. It was a great example for a lot of guys, I think, that come and like, think they have to work hard or be competitive and they have to be like angry about it kind of thing. Instead, like this guy smile and kick saves, taking a million shots, goes to leave the net. You know how he is. He sees like Gito coming in for a shot, turns around, comes back in like he's like oldie, man. He's like oldie in there. He's just loving it.
- [73:12]
Whitney
So he was doing push ups before the shootout, then he got.
- [73:15]
Army
Got scored on and that was the end of it. That's how he went out.
- [73:18]
Biz
Yeah, he's there to entertain.
- [73:20]
Dallas Drake
He is.
- [73:20]
Keith
He's a showman.
- [73:21]
Army
Like, for me, it's like him and Jonathan Quick are like two goalies that I can think of through this era of hockey. Two older guys, two guys that won cups, two guys that are elite Canadian, one's American, but two guys that you would pay money as goalies to go and watch and be entertained. Those two guys truly entertain you every single night with their playing style, their athleticism, and then the charisma in the net that they have. And so, yeah, Flurry had that. He had that with the fans in Pittsburgh. He was there for. For 13 years, you know, 21 year career, but 13 years of penguin. It started there. First overall pick in 03. And yeah, the guy's an absolute stud. Holds all the wins and games played records in franchise history. So it was, it was a sp. Every time he got. When he did get in, every time he stopped to touch the puck on a rim and like, they went bananas. Fans were on their feet. He had to make a couple great saves. And I don't know how you guys felt in seeing some of that stuff, but it was, it was like amazing. And we got him on the broadcast too. Like, he came on with us headset during the first period. It was, it was. It was a great night in Pittsburgh.
- [74:28]
Biz
So going back to your question, like, I don't know how many guys are going to be able to do this moving forward. I think there's a ton of guys and I think this should be the new precedent. Especially like, it's preseason hockey. Like you mentioned, like. Like the fact that. The fact that Gino, Sid and Tanger are still there and like that, that's. That was essentially the core. The guys that they drafted, like, that was unreal to see everybody get back Together and we'll get back to the, maybe the 29 decals on the car prank. Of course, of course, of course he did that. But also for the other new guys in that organization to like see him come in and get to experience that and, and you know, that love that the fans can, can show to them, I think that that's extremely important. I think that you just said a Jonathan Quick, they should be doing that in LA when he retires. Yeah, I think that given the shape that he's in and how good he still probably play, I think San Jose should do it with Joe Thornton. Like, how is Macklin Celebrini and Joe Thornton not playing back to back centers like the 12 slot? That would be unbelievable in a pre. And, and you talk about the entertainment value of it. Like you could mike Joe Thornton up the whole game. You're telling me he can't play fourth line center in a preseason game even against some of these new guys coming in. And how much would he four ships a period. And tell me the other team wouldn't love a get to tell their buddies back home, wherever they're from. I got the fucking lineup against Joe Thornton. I brag about it. Playing in a preseason game against him when he was playing for the Boston Bruins when I was a Penguin.
- [75:56]
Army
Great ideas. And those are like the 1 percenter guys that you could do that with or like the 1 percenter guys that are like monumental to their organizations. Yan's your guy. Muse, Dan Muse. That was his, that was his first game behind the bench too, at a home preseason game, like, he was like, can you imagine like making your like presence on the bench? Like all the coaches were new too. They have a complete revamp. The only guy that's still here is goalie coach Andy Kyoto. And it's all new guys, but for him going in there with the full house, the crowd, everything that's around it. Sid Gino Tanger Flurry in the lineup. I mean, you know, I, I, I, I know he's a guy that I got to meet the other day too, and through the camp and stuff, but seeing him after the game, going to do his post game presser, I was like, how was that, Buddy? He was like, oh my God. He's like, my heart was just beaten. So a great experience I think for everyone all around. And it was like in Pittsburgh too. It's like a small big city. Like they love their guys, they love their guys, they love sports. And Flurry is, is a guy that's truly, truly maybe on on, you know, like at least one of the eras of this. It's those four guys that we've named that are on the Mount Rushmore of Penguins hockey.
- [77:07]
Biz
Does he get a statue?
- [77:09]
Army
I don't know if he'll get a statue. Who else will get like those. Those guys are the only guys that I can see that would get a statue.
- [77:15]
Whitney
Statue in Pittsburgh should be Mario Jagger, Malkin and Crosby. All four together. Raising the cup together.
- [77:25]
Biz
Like have then you could do a French two headed monster with tanger and flourish.
- [77:29]
Whitney
The cool thing about Flurry is before, before all those guys, it was him. Like he was before Sid, he was before Mountain. He's before Stall. He's before it was Flower. It was that first overall 2003 best draft of all time. Besides Biz showed up Biz in the second round and it's just funny that like he started it like that. Obviously. Well, you know. No, you know who started Merle's on that team that was so bad that they couldn't even lose when they were trying to lose.
- [77:56]
Biz
But thank you, Merles.
- [77:58]
Army
Yeah, but think of the draft picks like wit. The coolest thing there was when we were coming in. Remember they did experience the Evolution.
- [78:04]
Whitney
Oh my God. Me and you were like blanked out on the. We were.
- [78:07]
Army
No, we were way in the back, like the smallest of the features. And then as it got closer, it was like, you know, throw that picture.
- [78:13]
Whitney
In on the YouTube please. It's easy.
- [78:15]
Army
Yeah, it's cool. It's awesome. Like my buddies came down on a boys trip there at the time. I. They're sending me pictures at like 2:00 clock in the morning, night before a game. They're climbing a light pole down by Melon arena trying to cut one of those banners down. Because I was on the distance in the back of the Evolution. But you know, you think of the guys that came like, like, like us with, you know, first rounders and it was. Or yeah, right before us. And then you know, Flower, Geno, Sid Stallsy, like it just, it started to stack up. So that was when things were starting to build and, and things started getting exciting there. And I just remember back in those days and to your point, he was the first. Because I remember being at camp for a few years. I was I think 01 pick. So at camp and going with Bugsy, Bugsy Malone in his, in his Harley Davidson. Harley Davidson Ford F150, baby.
- [79:07]
Keith
Yeah.
- [79:07]
Army
Showing up right out front of the fish market. Remember that little sushi restaurant downtown there? And we got out, we Had Flowers his first camp, and he jumps out of the F150.
- [79:16]
Whitney
And.
- [79:16]
Army
And there's. And all the. All the guys, like the valet guys are like, oh, my God, there he is, the kid. There's the kid. They were calling him the kid before anything. You're right with.
- [79:26]
Biz
I'll never forget that. That Ford Harley Davidson, because I remember when you and Bugs, you were about to pull off. We were staying at those hotels were brutal. I was with. I got. Ended up linking up with Flurry on the second half. Once they shortened down the training camp, I got the room with Flowers. So I credit myself for a lot of his success in the NHL. Yes. And then I asked Bugsy for his number and he gave me Craig Patrick's. So I thought I was texting Bugsy and he's got me texting the fucking gm. So, yeah, it was. And you were riding shotgun, so it was probably your fucking idea.
- [80:06]
Dallas Drake
Yeah.
- [80:06]
Whitney
Yeah.
- [80:06]
Biz
Now, going back to. To Flurry.
- [80:09]
Dallas Drake
Like, I had his number.
- [80:10]
Biz
Come on. Going back to Flurry, outside of the pranks, what were some of the early day memories? You have them because I believe you spent, what, a couple seasons with him until you ended up getting traded?
- [80:20]
Army
No, we. I was in Wilkesbury with him too. Right. Like when he first came and he spent some time in the NHL, then he went back to junior, The. The world junior thing with Patrick o' Sullivan shot it off him. We were in Wilkesbury watching him do that. Remember that? And then the next year he came. He had some games up, and then he came back down with us. And so got to. Got to play with him down there and see him. He was. He was raw, man. Like, he was just a freak. Like he would go post to post and end up in the. He's so athletic like he. And he still is. Like, he's in great shape, still takes care of himself. He's a machine. But he would go post to post and end up in the corner, and it's like, whoa, kid, we got to find a way to harness this and control it. And I think with like, Jill's malash and some of the other goalie coaches that we had kicking around at those times, just trying to get him to, you know, control that. That athletic game that he had so he could use that power and that quickness and not be all over the place. Go for. Flash forward to 2009 when he's coming across and makes that great save on Lidstrom to win their first Stanley Cup. You think of that instead of overplaying it and Sliding way out of position or something. He just came across with a shoulder, which is one of, you know, I think his most memorable saves, obviously. But yeah, just unbelievable. Teammates, great energy, loves being on the ice. I asked him, I'm like, dude, in practice you look so, you look like so much good energy, you know, and you can feel it. Everyone is, is, is alive when he's out there. It just, he brings something different and he's like, man, dude, I, I love, I like practice, like maybe more than like games, you know, it's like I get more shots. It's time, you know. And he loves, Yeah, I know. And he loves chirping. And he, he's, he keeps track of. I was talking to Sid about this. Like he said, it's ingrained in him when he came back out there, all like the things that they did for 13 years together just picked up just like that. Like how many shots where you shoot, who likes to shoot where, and all the head game stuff, the chirping, keeping track of when you score and if it counts and if it doesn't on a rebound and what counts you like. They have a whole system worked out that they, that they do, but that's having fun and competing. And it's a good lesson for kids and parents that listen to you guys that you see an elite all time goaltender that's second all time to Brodurian wins and games played through, you know, a 21 year career that he's, he was like that through his entire career and loved everywhere he went. But he had fun working instead of like, oh, I got to go shoot pox. I got to go work. I got to go. Instead, he's, he does it because he loves it. And that, that's a big difference with a lot of those good guys, you know.
- [82:53]
Biz
Yeah, you kind of, you've already mentioned it. And the one takeaway from getting to play with him the time that I did was like how much he battled. And you, you thought that that part of the drill was over and the next guy was going to be shooting where he'd be playing out that puck. Sometimes the guy would be shooting the puck from that, the corner in line again and he'd still somehow get a p. He'd get a paddle on it and he'd be like, no, no, no, no.
- [83:15]
Army
Sucker.
- [83:16]
Dallas Drake
Got you, got you.
- [83:18]
Army
I remember coming in on him like in practice, which is like, you know, the ultimate pitchers duel. He likes, he knows I like to go high glove. If I asked him right now, he could probably say my FA2 favorite spots that I would try to go. And he could. He.
- [83:30]
Dallas Drake
It's.
- [83:30]
Army
He's his, his brain's a computer. These guys, they remember. Think of how many teams he's played on, like four teams, how many seasons. But he remembers, like, everything. And, you know, he just, he'd shake the blocker. Remember when he used to do that when you come in on him and he'd be like, oh, oh. He shake the blocker. You think that poke check's coming? Which he loved to do. And he just loved to have fun and try different things. Did any of you guys score on him?
- [83:53]
Keith
I can't remember. I doubt it.
- [83:54]
Whitney
I didn't.
- [83:55]
Biz
I. Okay, so here's a story for you. So we had this, like, a bunch of. I think, like half a school got let out and they got to come watch practice. And Terry and was the coach. And this is the year where I cracked the lineup to start the season. And we did breakaways at the end of practice. And I did the, the Malik and I ended up going top cheese on a blocker side. And like, obviously when I score on a shootout, especially doing that buddy, all the fucking kids were going bananas. The guys were going bananas. And that's literally the, like, the best thing I ever did playing in the NHL. That was that. I, I, I think that's more important than the seven goals I actually scored in games.
- [84:33]
Whitney
How many goalies would allow or let a teammate's buddy take breakaways on him right before training camp, like when Jack, really my friend came. Cause I had a bet with him that you couldn't score two times on 10 breakaways on an NHL goalie. Flowers like, I'll do it. And he did. He scored twice on him. One of them, he was doing the blind man, like. And I was like, no, no, no, Flower. Like, we have big money on this. But he was just the man. He's a great guy. I also remember when Terry and came in fuming after he gave up three against Binghamton in the first period at home, and he just yelled something in French at him. And Elaine Nazardine was like, oh. I go, what do you say? He said, he's. He just told him he's the worst first overall pick in league history.
- [85:17]
Biz
Terry, I never pulling punches.
- [85:21]
Army
I got two on them boys. I got two.
- [85:23]
Biz
Which is real in regular season.
- [85:25]
Army
The one was awesome because it was when I was in Atlanta. It was not the year I got traded. It was the next year. I believe it was in Atlanta. It was a pizza or pizza. I read it Perfectly coming out of his own end, picked it off right at the top of the circles. So he didn't have much time really to like adjust to it. He tried to come out really quick and then it's the mind, right? I had the mind on him. I'm like, he knows I'm gonna go high glove. So I just came in, gave a little shoulder dip slank. It's like one of the few five hole goals I actually scored in my career. I always found it hard on purpose. I just ripped it five hole and he was slow to drop down and it went right through him.
- [86:04]
Dallas Drake
I could see his head.
- [86:04]
Army
He just snapped his head in there like. Because it's not like I beat him. I didn't really beat him. I mind fucked them and he knew it and I could tell I got him. And the other one was when I was with the Leafs in Toronto on a bang bang behind the net, just jam play. And it just got through him. So I got, I got two on him. Which was, which was unreal for me. But the I, I got him. I got him. Vice.
- [86:25]
Keith
He's probably one of those guys that's way more pissed when one of his buddy scores on him than anyone else.
- [86:30]
Biz
Oh yeah, the leech blocks it.
- [86:32]
Army
Yeah, but he's got army, hey. He's got a gold medal with Olympics 2010. He's got a couple silver medals, world juniors and world championships. He just played this summer and I was talking to Sid boys and when they lost that, I think they came fifth, you know, it was disappointing. They shouldn't allow they lose to Belarus or some.
- [86:50]
Biz
I think it was Denmark maybe.
- [86:52]
Army
Denmark, Denmark. And I think it was in Denmark too. So they had a big home crowd and everything and they just couldn't score and, and Sid was saying like, man, I never thought when I saw him last, when we played him against Minnesota, I thought that was ics. He was doing the farewell tour and then we got him to come to Team Canada. I never thought that would happen. And then we lost and that he was in the net, I'm like, no way. He's got to go out like this. This wasn't supposed to happen. So since like I can't believe like this is happening with those guys and his buddies there that he's won cups with to be able to get another crack at it that it was, it was such a special night for a one off preseason game.
- [87:28]
Whitney
And that's what's like crazy about you. You sometimes forget like pro sports, it's, it's entertainment you know, like it is. It's truly entertainment. Like, people aren't coming if they're not entertained. The product's bad. They don't come. They want to be entertained. And nobody cares about preseason. It was, it was a genius idea. Great idea. We gotta get together a list of.
- [87:49]
Biz
Guys for doobies in my good books now.
- [87:52]
Army
I'll give him a huge plus on that because he was the GM of Team Canada World Championships. Got to know Flower over there and then this idea kind of, I think came from that relationship a little bit and knowledge obviously of, of him being the president and GM of the team and, and trying to honor him back here as he goes out. It was, it was a great idea. It was electric night in Pittsburgh, in, in Pittsburgh hockey, but really he's at another level. It's like Pittsburgh sport Giants.
- [88:19]
Whitney
Yeah.
- [88:20]
Army
So the, the reaction was huge. The buzz around town was huge. I had like a, I had like a nervous boys. I had like, I had like butterflies for him when he came in to start the third because I was like, I hope this goes good. You know, it was like crazy, the feeling you had. And then Dan Potash, great interview post game, like just hit him with all the good lines and all the good questions. Flower seemed a little bit choked up with the crowd. It was like a live in arena interview. So, yeah, it was awesome. That Potash, he does a good job down there on the ice, level with the boys and stuff.
- [88:51]
Biz
He's great at pulling the heartstrings, but this might not be the last of them. Alan Walsh put out the, the eyeball emoji at someone saying like, oh, maybe he'll get a contract the way that he looks.
- [89:03]
Keith
So Toronto.
- [89:04]
Biz
Maybe we'll get him with the Gargoyles.
- [89:06]
Army
Hey, you don't think teams are calling?
- [89:08]
Whitney
Oh, Edmonton's probably like begging him.
- [89:11]
Army
You don't think teams are calling? Like, I guarantee you, I guarantee you there's probably at least six teams that are calling Alan Walsh.
- [89:21]
Keith
At least minimum for the Stranglers.
- [89:24]
Biz
Wait, would you pay part of his salary if Edmonton could sign him?
- [89:27]
Army
Nil.
- [89:28]
Whitney
Guy, are you guaranteeing, like, at least a trip to the conference finals?
- [89:33]
Biz
Guaranteed trip to the conference finals. How much are you paying of his salary? What percent? 10%.
- [89:39]
Whitney
What's the league minimum that he'd get?
- [89:41]
Biz
7:50, probably 8, 859 now I'll pay 70 grand. And the one thing I was going to ask you. Not bad. Get a pink Whitney sponsorship on.
- [89:52]
Whitney
Maybe I get to watch Flower in the new third jersey that everyone hates. But Me.
- [89:57]
Army
Hey, the back plate, the brutal third jersey, the back plate of his goalie mask, a pink Whitney, little shout out to you, a little free advertising. How's she going?
- [90:08]
Biz
That would be awesome. So army, you. I think your last year was in Europe in 1314. Were you working with the Penguins at the time where they went back to back? And one of the things I always like to talk about is like Flurry drafted first overall, like all these other accolades you talked about the, you know, played world juniors, Olympics, whatever. It may be just the way that he handled himself during those two runs.
- [90:33]
Army
And not being in there.
- [90:35]
Biz
And not being in there. And. And then he had that awesome series against Ottawa when Murray went down. And then I think they decided to go with Murray come game seven of that series in the Eastern Conference finals. And just the kind of the way that he. He like de. Escalated the. The, like the situation where media could have took it and ran, where this essential first ballot hall of Famer was being snubbed for this young up and coming guy, Matt Murray. Just were you around to see how he handled that? And like, it speaks volumes to the teammate and the guy that he is.
- [91:05]
Whitney
Because it must have been eating him inside and you couldn't tell at all.
- [91:10]
Army
Yeah, you're the guy you want to be in there. He's like the franchise guy, right? So, yeah, I think that was. I think that was tough for him to swallow, but just shows like the teammate and how big he is as a guy to, you know, suck it up. Like you got to suck stuff up. Like we've all had to, right? Like things weren't great, but when I first retired, I spent one year in Saskatoon one winter. Then I moved to Pittsburgh start of 2015. Like, you know, like September, right, for school to start. Got my kids in. They go, they go to the. They win the comp. So some things started brewing, obviously with Matt Murray being in the picture the next year in that playoff run when they went back to back. Fleury was in like for the first two rounds and he had to knock off Washington in the second round, which was. He made some unreal saves in that second series on ovi. The greatest goal scorer of our. Of our time. And remember one hit his butt end. He had, he had like, just like a few big moments in game sevens on those playoff runs where he was absolutely huge. And then they went to him for the conference finals. They flipped on the second of. Back to backs, back to Murray. So think about that. You're the guy, you get them through there and then it's like, okay, bring in the kid. Bring in Murray, who played great. Like, he played great, but it's like to suck that up and show up every day and be Mark Andre Fleury, because can you imagine? Like, I used to get it all the time, too, when I wasn't feeling great because I'm a yakker. I'm an idiot. I'm in the room. I got it. Boys going. If I wasn't feeling good and I came in and I was quieter, guys are like, what's wrong? Like, flowers. Energy is. Is contagious, you know, so, you know, that's. That's a star player, you know, one of. One of. One that has to come in and have that energy still, where it's not disruptive and, you know, have his energy in practice where it's not disruptive, where he could probably have shown it a little bit more or been upset, but he handled himself incredibly. And that was like. That was a hard time for him. Like, for sure, that was a hard time for him to go through that and have to sit and watch and, you know, and win cups, but also kind of feel like, ah, this. This stinks, probably. Like, you know what I mean? So.
- [93:20]
Whitney
I wish. I wish he got that cup in Vegas. That would have been pretty sick.
- [93:24]
Army
I know.
- [93:26]
Whitney
More happy. Oh, he got his. But, yeah, that would have been something else.
- [93:30]
Army
Like, he got his Vesna there. The boys, he never had it. He never had all the way through until. Until he got that.
- [93:36]
Whitney
I just remember feeling bad for him because. Do you remember after 08, there were some playoff runs?
- [93:41]
Army
They had got ditched there, too, in Vegas. He got ditched, too.
- [93:45]
Whitney
Yeah. No, I'm talking in Pittsburgh. Remember he had a couple playoffs where, like, he couldn't really stop the puck. Remember they had that series against Philly? Philly, yeah. It was nuts. Every game was seven, six. And that might get over the hump, the beginning of the end for him in Pittsburgh, but what a guy. What a career.
- [94:05]
Biz
I got one last one. Witty. Were there any other stories that came about because of the broadcast or something? Maybe Dan Potash asked him about, you know, maybe some prank stories that people hadn't heard. Was there anything else that maybe about Flurry, like a funny story you could tell that, that we haven't talked about on this podcast through that. That exhibition game.
- [94:27]
Army
Apparently he was with, you know, tags, like their head equipment guy, like, who was a stick boy when we were there. Now he's the head equipment guy. His father, ex penguin as well, but he, he was saying he loves Flower, right? Like, that's one of his favorite guys. So, like, Flower was calling him previously, like, leading up to this with not much time, but he's like, what. What's he thinking about? You know, he has. He's like, order me yellow pads and blocker and catcher. And with everybody on the team, we're gonna. He had, like, all these prank things that he was like, I'm, I'm thinking maybe we do this. And tags is like, dude, we got, like, three days. Like, this is not feasible. Like, what are you talking about? So there was some other stuff in the works, apparently, that he was trying to line up and rig up for the boys. That would have to do, I believe, with, like, at their houses and stuff and, like, Christmas lights and a whole thing and doing all this cr. Crazy stuff. So he was gonna let it all hang out, man.
- [95:20]
Biz
They come back. It's just the foundation of their home. He, like, legit, like, lifted their house up and moved it on a truck to, like, a private island in Pennsylvania.
- [95:29]
Army
Tied balloons to the house.
- [95:31]
Biz
Yeah.
- [95:32]
Army
Sid wakes up, his house is floating in the clouds.
- [95:34]
Biz
Like, yeah, What a movie up. What a movie.
- [95:38]
Whitney
Great movie.
- [95:39]
Army
But I, I, I'll tell you this. A month and a half ago, I met his retirement party in Montreal, where I almost died. Thanks, Zach Boghossian. I survived. I never would have thought that, like, one of these, this would have happened for me to be in the building and experience Fleury being back in Pittsburgh and wearing the yellow pads and looking as cool and awesome as he did. And it was. It was a special night, boys, for a special player in an organization that just appreciates the hell out of him. He's. He's a star. Great guy. So one of the best teammates I ever had. And I was, I, I left Chiclet's cup early, which, at the time I was like, this sucks. You know, I have to leave early to go work this game. But it was. It was an incredible experience.
- [96:20]
Whitney
Well, army, thank you for coming on and kind of giving us the breakdown of that. I, We. We do have to make the list of the 1 percenters who'd be able to do that. One of them would be Stamkos, and I would. I would love if a forwarder or defenseman did it. And in retirement, like, in April, whenever they announced their last season, like, just going on a complete bender and gaining, like, 35 pounds and then showing up and playing in the game is like an enormous fat guy. It looked like a fan's playing that would be classic if a guy, a skater, a forwarder, defense was out there just looking hefty. But hey, what's the rules?
- [96:57]
Army
Sorry. Hey, one more thing. What's the rules on going into the hall of Fame?
- [97:00]
Whitney
What do you have to do for years after retirement?
- [97:03]
Army
So, okay, so next stop for flower of the hall of Fame.
- [97:06]
Whitney
Yeah, he'll be first ballot in whatever, 20, 29. Right around then.
- [97:10]
Army
Yeah.
- [97:10]
Whitney
How's Cruz's shoulder? I know your. Your son. It's all good.
- [97:14]
Army
Yeah, he's getting better. He's on the. He's on the men. He's getting his shoulder rubbed out. You know, he's just getting it. The rhomboid. It's the rhomboid.
- [97:21]
Biz
Oh, yeah. I think I told you that when I saw you.
- [97:24]
Army
Yeah, yeah.
- [97:25]
Whitney
Are you. Are you in one of your guest rooms? Are you on the road?
- [97:28]
Army
So where I am. So I flew. Now I'm in Kelowna bc. I came out here and did a little commercial shoot with Carrie Price. It was great to see him and hang out with him today. And then I'm trying to wrangle the boys up for a little dinner here. Shea Weber, Wade Reddin, Josh Georges, a bunch of guys all live here. I should hit up toots, too. Jordan Tutu and. But they're all like, hey, I got baseball for my kid. Until whenever I got this, until this, like, it's just like all of us. So crazy.
- [97:54]
Biz
But there's another guy like fucking Shea Weber should play a preseason game with the Preds. Like Harry Price for Montreal. Could you imagine if Carrie Price went in an exhibition game in Montreal? The fucking. The roof might come off just seeing him in there.
- [98:09]
Keith
Our army is Flower sticking around the Pittsburgh area. Is he going to be doing anything with the team?
- [98:14]
Army
I think he's back in Minnesota. He'll be back in Minnesota, boys. Yeah, he like their group's awesome. But he'll be back there, I think, doing some stuff with them possibly here in the future and working around the Wild organization. But that's where his. His family, I think right now is gonna settle. Yeah, because I heard Vegas too.
- [98:32]
Whitney
What's. What's Price up to? Did he get into what he's been up to lately? Is he.
- [98:37]
Army
He's hunting and fishing and hanging out with his family and goes down to Tri Cities and stuff where his wife's family is from, I guess, and fishes down there a ton. Huge outdoorsman, but really soft spoken, great guy. And I haven't seen him. When did I see a blast? God, I'm trying to. Oh. He was a guest drop in at the Quebec peewee tournament when I was there with Cruz, and I. I quickly ran into him as he was about to do, like, a big autograph signing thing. So I didn't have much time to see him. But that was the last time I saw him other than him doing the draft in Nashville. I didn't see him when we were there because I was too busy at barstool Nashville, getting absolutely welded.
- [99:13]
Whitney
Army, you look thinner. You lost some Eldritch.
- [99:17]
Army
I'm trying to lose weight, boys. Yeah, I'm working on it.
- [99:19]
Keith
Great.
- [99:19]
Army
I'm working on my guru biz. My guru biz over there. Just telling me. You know what he told me? He's like, just breathe, man. Just get the blood, get the air. He's like, do the nasal breathing. Yeah, that. That was his biggest thing. So the hiking.
- [99:32]
Whitney
Did he tell you. Did he tell you to put on a chastity belt and never come again? That's his new thing.
- [99:37]
Biz
Yeah, yeah.
- [99:38]
Army
He's on a different level, though. I'm not there yet. Like, he is. He's in the next quantum realm.
- [99:43]
Whitney
He might be. Ends up just flipping over the menu.
- [99:47]
Army
He's like dragon blood. He'll be saying winning in, like. Like three months.
- [99:51]
Biz
Yeah. The war with. Not the warthog or the warlord.
- [99:55]
Army
Warlock. Warlock.
- [99:57]
Whitney
All right. Before we send it over to Dallas Drake and say bye to Army, I want to remind everyone that this Friday night, Face off prime videos, Face off series premiere season two. This was an enormous hit last year. I loved it. It's got an episode with Sid. I believe Kopitar is a part of that episode. That's episode four.
- [100:16]
Biz
That's episode four. And I was going to actually ask you about that. There's a part in it where a little fun fact, Sid, after they lost to Detroit, he started framing the. The picture of the Captain hoisting the Stanley cup. And he puts it in his gym to give him, you know, to. To kind of motivate him for that next season. So obviously the following year, he won it. He puts himself in it. Did so two other times. But right now, Sasha Barkov's front and center in front of the squat rack in Sidney Crosby's gym to give him that motivation that. That's what he talks about in it. And he says, you know what. What keeps you motivated? What keeps you going? And he said, winning. That's it. Winning.
- [100:59]
Army
Then he's a freak.
- [101:01]
Whitney
We're gonna see him in a Pittsburgh jersey very, very much longer.
- [101:06]
Keith
Florida. Florida. Maybe with Barki out.
- [101:09]
Whitney
Yeah. All right. Have a great one, buddy.
- [101:12]
Army
All right, boys. Thanks for having me.
- [101:13]
Biz
Appreciate.
- [101:16]
Dallas Drake
All right.
- [101:16]
Whitney
See you with that. We're going to throw it over. We interviewed Dallas Drake. Great guy. Played with the Blues, played with the jets, played with the Coyotes, played with the Red Wings, where he got a Stanley cup in his last season playing against me. We were matched up a lot, too. I was out there against the fourth line. Me and Dallas Drake going to battle. They got it done in six games. Whit loses again. So right now, we're going to throw it over to Dallas Drake. Guys, we got to talk about Shell. You're driving around in a car. You need to fill it up. You need Shell. You need shell in your life. Get more with shell V power nitro plus premium gasoline. More performance, more power, more protection. It protects against carbon deposits, friction and wear. For better fuel efficiency, in addition to engine performance, you need your engine ripping. You need your engine going. And that's what shell does. It's their best fuel ever. A fuel like no other. Get more performance with every drive and learn more right now@shell us more performance. Yes, that Shell us more performance. Get more performance with every drive. Download the shell app to locate your nearest station today. Shell V power nitro plus gasoline compared to lower octane fuels. Actual effects and benefits may vary according to vehicle type, driving conditions and driving style. Right now, go download the shell app and locate your nearest station today. Guys, it's Whit. I want to talk about body armor. We talked a lot about the Chiclets cup. Thank God for body armor at the Chiclets cup. People slugging it in between shifts. People slugging, slugging it post game, doing their cold tubs. Body armor was everywhere. We can't thank them enough. And we're telling you right now, if you haven't tried body armor, you're nuts. You're crazy. This episode and the Chiclets cup is brought to you by the body armor sports drinks. They got great flavors. I always bring it up. Strawberry, banana and orange. Mango are two of those. No artificial dyes, no artificial flavors or crap sweeteners in a bold new look with the same great taste. Get your body armor today at Walmart or a local grocery store near you. Body armor choose better. We are very pleased to be joined by a special guest right now. Man played over a thousand NHL regular season game, 90 playoff games. Stanley cup champion. To end it all in Detroit, Dallas Drake. What's going on, buddy?
- [103:51]
Dallas Drake
Not much. Good to see you guys.
- [103:52]
Whitney
Great to see You. So Yance, did you line this guy up?
- [103:56]
Keith
Well, I, I was with Big Walt, like, oh, we were doing a fantasy draft. And I'm like, well, we gotta, we're getting, we're gonna get the old time guys on, you know, the funny guys, the guys who let it fly. I was like, who should we get in first? First guy he said was Dally Drake. Cause I heard you two. Were you guys roommates pretty much your whole career.
- [104:14]
Dallas Drake
Yeah, yeah. When I got traded to Winnipeg and whatever, 94 the following year, I was his roommate and I was. Then I was roommates with him at Phoenix for four years. Then he got traded to St. Louis and unfortunately I was good roommates with Sean Hill at the time. And I had to give Hilly the boot and say, I'm sorry, Walt's coming in, so. Walt wouldn't have taken anything less so, yeah, my whole career pretty much, except my last year in Detroit. So we were good buddies.
- [104:35]
Keith
How was he as a roommate?
- [104:37]
Dallas Drake
Yeah, I mean, he was great. I mean, like, he's, you know, going back in those days a little bit different time, right? You know, he's over there, I'm in my bed, he's in his bed. And there's some freaky going on there with Walt sometimes, so. But it was good. We had, we had a great time. He's. He's a great roommate. He's great teammates. You know, he kept it entertaining, that's for sure. And, you know, he's a good person to be around.
- [105:00]
Keith
I heard you guys were competitive in literally everything you did. Is there anything crazy maybe that you guys were competitive about that kind of, you know, was a little over the board or.
- [105:10]
Dallas Drake
Yeah, a lot of things were competitive over the board. And a lot of that was just, you know, when we're in our room together, there was a lot of shit that we used to talk about and say things I probably shouldn't probably say on this right now. It probably wouldn't go over very well. But the guy, the guy was just, you know, he. He competed in everything. Like, first guy, he wanted to be the first guy downstairs. Then, sorry, before the bus, he wants to pay for all the bills. And like, if you ever, ever offer to pay for anything, he was always throwing his wallet out there and saying, hey, I make $8 million. I'm paying for this, right? So he's one of those guys, so. But, you know, I know a lot of the other things I probably should keep to myself right now.
- [105:47]
Biz
It must have been pretty squirrely, though, because I think he was making 10 at the time and there was no escrow. So he was making a ton of money. Yeah.
- [105:55]
Dallas Drake
Even when, even when, you know, you know, when he's 21 or 22 and remember he got, he signed that big deal with Chicago or kind of Chicago made that offer and he was, and he's literally 21 years old and he was making three and a half, four million back then was a lot of money. And then, you know, when he went to Phoenix, he signed a big deal there as well. And then we went to St. Louis and he signed another big deal. So, yeah, he, he, there are several contracts there. He should, he should be all right for quite some time now. He's fine.
- [106:21]
Whitney
You had this incredible career at Northern Michigan. Then you finished with the Wings. Are you still living in Michigan?
- [106:26]
Dallas Drake
Yeah, I live in Traverse City, actually about four hours north of Detroit. I went to school in Northern. My wife's from the kind of the general area here. She went to school in Northern, so that's why I met her there. And we bought a place back here in the late 90s and kind of spent our summers here. A great place to spend your summer. And that's where we still are now. I'm out yearway biz. I got a place in Cape Creek. So I spent a lot of my time the winter, the last four winters I've been spending out there. So I really enjoy it out there as well. So we'll be heading back there sometime when the weather gets a little colder.
- [106:57]
Biz
You got any horses? Are you a farmer like Donor?
- [107:00]
Dallas Drake
Yeah, I'm not a farmer like Donor. I did grow up on a dairy farm, but I'm not a farmer like him. He's more of the horse guy. But yeah, I know. I just live out in Cape Creek way. I'd love to have something like that, but I don't make the money. You make this. So I can't afford.
- [107:12]
Biz
Okay, here we go.
- [107:14]
Keith
What made you go to Northern Michigan? Because I played in, in a nationals tournament there. Truthfully, one of the worst towns of all time. And I would imagine, I mean, looking at your numbers, you were a stud at Northern Michigan. Like, you must have been getting recruited from other teams too, right?
- [107:28]
Dallas Drake
Quite honestly, I wasn't. I, you know, I, I kind of my junior career, I kind of got off to a slow start. I got hurt and then I kind of took off a little bit the last end of the season and I, I, I had a couple good friends that played in Denver. That's really where I wanted to go, is A little closer to home. But if they didn't recruit me, Northern recruited me. I remember going there my recruiting trip in Christmas time and they offered me and I took it on the spot. At that time I had no offers. And then kind of after that I kind of really tore it up a little bit and did well. So, you know, they had a few teams trying to get me to decommit, if you want to say it back then. But.
- [108:04]
Whitney
Oh, really?
- [108:05]
Dallas Drake
I, I love, I love Northern Michigan. Like, yeah, I loved it there. So I'm. I'm a small town. I grew up in a tiny little town of 3,500 people. So Marquette was perfect for me. We are the only Division 1 school team there. I had two or three players that were from my general area that I knew and that were there. That helped a lot in my decision. And then quite my roommate and Junior was going there as well. So that really helped as well. So we, we had a good time there. I tell you what, we had good teams, we played well. We played in a great division and now we could have won two national championships there if we would have won my senior year. So we were pretty solid. It was fun.
- [108:41]
Biz
Since you were born here in Trail, bc, is that where you ended up growing up as well?
- [108:46]
Dallas Drake
Yeah, I grew up the road. A little small town called Rosslyn, bc. Like, little, tiny little town, big ski town. You know, there was a bunch of junior team, junior B teams in the area. There's some, there's some guys that came out of Ray Ferrero, some trailers, you know, Travis Green's from Castlegar. There's some guys from that general area that, you know, played. And yeah, it was a great place to grow up. Fantastic. Loved it.
- [109:09]
Biz
You mentioned your father was a dairy farmer. Did that instill a work ethic in you at a very young age? Like, did you have to work on the farm? Like, no. No questions asked.
- [109:18]
Dallas Drake
Yeah, every morning, six o'. Clock. Milk the cows. Milk the cows at night when you get home from school, you know, in summertime, you're bailing hay and bringing in firewood and so you're pretty busy. You know, I wreck kind of my dad. I could probably pretty much run the farm by myself when I was probably 14 or 15, I could do everything by myself. And when my dad would say bailing hay, for example, I'd have to milk the cows in the mornings, milk the cows at night. So we didn't have a huge farm. We milked like 50 cows. So it wasn't enormous. But back then it was it was, it was fun. I mean it was a great way to play. Grew up on snowmobiles and dirt bikes and playing hockey. That's what we did. So it was, it was great. It was fun.
- [109:56]
Whitney
There like a lot of out like are you making like little outdoor ranks on the ponds and stuff like that on the farm or are you just always inside skating at that point?
- [110:04]
Dallas Drake
You know, I, yeah I, my high school was literally I could throw a rock from my high school and hit the, hit the rink and my, my uncle was zamboni driver at the rink. So when I was in high school I would, every lunch hour I'd walk over to the rink and play hockey. He'd leave the key in a little box for me. I'd go over there, click it open and me and my buddy would go skate for an hour, go back stink for the rest of the day and be in the frigging, you know, in school. But that's what I was like in small towns growing up. You know, we didn't have a lot of outdoor ranks. There was a few here and there. But when my uncle worked at the rink I had kind of free access there. So I kind of got away with what I wanted to.
- [110:38]
Whitney
How did like you were a hard nosed player. Like no thought of the whl.
- [110:43]
Dallas Drake
I was tiny. Like I, I didn't. My, my first year I played junior B when I was 15 years old because there wasn't, there was no midget kind of programmer in the general area. And I, so I, you know, I played junior B and I was my first year of junior B. I was 55125 and we were playing against guys that were coming out of the dub. You know a lot of guy 20 year olds get come from the dove and go play in his junior B leagues and that's where I told, I tell everybody that's where I got learned how to get beat up. So that's. It was, you know I got beat up a lot in that league but it was, it was a good experience. There's a lot of good hockey players that came out of that league. And I eventually played junior but I wasn't, I never really thought I was good enough to play in the dub. I wasn't recruited. I was drafted but I was never really good enough to play at that. I was a super late bloomer. Guys like I, my, the year I played junior I was, I got cut the year before my grade 12 year and then I went put my year after that and just things just kind of worked out fell into place and, and then from there I went, played college. But no, I wasn't, I wasn't really capable.
- [111:45]
Keith
I mean, your, your college numbers are amazing for, you know, any era. But you know, especially back then, in 83 points your last year, how did you not win the Hobie Baker? Is that. Did David Emma win it or was that Perlini?
- [111:57]
Dallas Drake
I think it was David Sacco who wanted that last year. One of the Sacco brothers? Yeah. No, the year before that, when he won the national championship, we had a kid on our team named Scott Beatty, A little guy that should have won the, should have won the hobby that year. He had 49 goals like he was no brainer. I don't know how he didn't win, but he didn't win. And then he was off our team that next year. He was the kind of a candidate that our team promoted all year long, rightfully so. And, and he had a great year as well. I just, I had a little bit better year than that year and I kind of wasn't. I think they, you know, putting two guys from the same team into that Hobie Baker candidate finals kind of doesn't have very much and which is fine. But you know, I would have liked to seen him win it more to myself because I, I just turned out I had a. Had a little bit of better year than he did that year, but we had a good team. We, we had kids. I mean, you know, now you look at the points that college teams get, you know, they're getting. The high guys are getting 50 or 60. Back then, guys were getting 85, 90, Korea and Jimmy Montgomery, guys like that back in those areas, they were putting up enormous points. So there's some good players.
- [112:55]
Biz
I'd like to ask a few more about your childhood. Was your father, like, did he want you to play hockey? Did he care? And like, who were like, how were you advancing? Like, who were you learning off of in the area in order to like advance your skills? Skills.
- [113:08]
Dallas Drake
I, I was really lucky because, you know, who taught me as a real. He lived in my area and was a coach of mine when I was real young was Tom Rennie. And Tom Rennie was, you know, did some hockey Canada stuff, worked with the.
- [113:18]
Whitney
Red coach me at Edmonton.
- [113:20]
Dallas Drake
Yeah. So Tom was. When I was super young, like 10 or 11 years old, he was kind of in the general area and he helped coaches a little bit. And then co. Tom coached junior B throughout. When I was playing junior D, Tom was coaching another team there and he actually picked me to Play on Team bc we went and played in the Canada Winter Games, which was a good experience for me as well. But he's, you know, I had, I had a really good experience with him. And then when I played junior, I had some really good coaches as well. But yeah, growing up, my dad. Farmer. No, my dad couldn't skate. Nothing my dad couldn't do. He'd, he'd actually, he'd. The way he helped during practice is he'd stand on the bench and like if the coaches tell him to run and get something, he'd go get something because he couldn't skate. So I'm gonna do nothing about hockey. None of my, I had cousins that played, but I didn't have anybody forced me to play. It was just one of those things that fell into place for me. I loved it and now it just kind of worked out.
- [114:10]
Biz
And, and just to follow up with, I was just gonna ask about you growing up. You said you were undersized. Like we had TJ Oshi on recently too, and he said he was really small and had a growth spurt at a certain point. Like, what advice would you give to, to younger players out there who maybe, you know, haven't hit that growth spurt yet on, on how to handle the, the evolution of their career if they really want to make it?
- [114:30]
Dallas Drake
Yeah, I try to tell kids this all the time. I think for me, when I was like, even my first year when I in the NHL, I was 6:1, like 161. Right. I wasn't, I wasn't very big my first year. I was skinny, I hadn't worked, I didn't know what a gym looked like. So, you know, for me, I, I developed late in college, but like for smaller players, I really focused on being a little bit of a two way player. I know that sounds silly, but I always consider myself an offensive player when I was in junior and stuff like that. But when I got to college, I really took an emphasis on the other side of the puck. And that's the reason I played. I tell people. So the only reason I've made it the NHL is because I was willing to do a little bit things defensively. That's it. My offensive capabilities was not good enough to play in the NHL. My first training camp in Detroit, when I walked in there thinking I was all hot shit. Their centermen were Stevie, Sergey and Jimmy Carson. And I was a centerman, I was like, well, I'm not playing here. I just better get, get ready for my bus ticket down Adirondack but they threw me on the wing and I just ran around a little bit, played defense as hard as I could. And by doing that and showing I'd play defense, you know, every now and then you get an opportunity to play with somebody that was good. And I got an opportunity to play Sergey a little bit my first and second year. And then obviously, playing with somebody that makes it a little bit easier. So that's my biggest advice to kids, is don't be a one dimensional kid. There's only so many guys in the world that can be one dimensional, and we all know who they are. And the kids that figure it out earlier at a younger age and what they want to do and how they can do that, I think that's how you get where you want to go.
- [116:05]
Whitney
Yeah. Like, who's willing to just be like, all right, I'm going to be a checker. Like, I. I think it's way easier said than done. But when you say your dad never played and he'd stand on the bench, couldn't skate. So after games, never once was he like, hey, you got to try this. You got to do this. It was just like, hey, did you have fun?
- [116:20]
Biz
Milk the next guy.
- [116:21]
Dallas Drake
Oh, I gotta milk the cows. Exactly, right. That's what I gotta do. I gotta go home and do that. Right, Exactly. So you gotta feed the cows or feed the pigs or feed the horses or whatever. Yeah, that's what. My dad knew nothing about it other than, hey, how to go today? You have fun. Good. So, you know, in a lot of ways, that was probably good for me. You know, you try to learn from that as a dad. It hasn't worked for all me. I'm terrible. But, you know, that's. That's the way my parents were.
- [116:46]
Whitney
Biz. Was that like that for you? Your dad ever say anything? My.
- [116:51]
Biz
No, my dad was. No, my dad played in, like, the league. Champlain. Like, I remember when we had like. Like, you know, when you're like 13, 14, you have like the. The team against all the dads. Well, my dad got the start and right off the opening face off, he took a stride and he tore his whole groin. Like. Like it was. It was black and blue for weeks. So I know he never even got to play in that game, but. No, he was just supportive and. And as, you know, like, he was driving all the. All around Ontario, making sure I was there early in the morning for the practices. We'd be going to Gray Bruce, which is four hours away for one game. Right. So it was nice Having a father who didn't really know much and was just really supportive. I was going to ask you, you got a pretty raspy voice like. Like, did you hack darts your whole career, like.
- [117:38]
Dallas Drake
Or is that just a natural Hawking darks though this. I don't know why, I just. You get old. You'll see pretty quick, buddy. Because coming your way. Don't worry, you won't be able to speak. My kids, all my kids are out.
- [117:48]
Whitney
Sound like a hockey player. I think he sounds like a hockey player.
- [117:51]
Dallas Drake
My kids are gone now. I don't have to yell at the little midget anymore. So I should be better. It should be heal up.
- [117:57]
Whitney
Oh, your daughter won a national title, didn't she?
- [118:00]
Dallas Drake
She did, yeah. She won a national. She won two actually. She played in Wisconsin and won two there. So yeah, she was a good old player. She won a gold medal and the women's there and check. We went over and watched that and she won a couple championships in Wisconsin and she just had a baby. She. I'm a grandpa now, Biz. I'm a grandpa. You get a voice like this. Yeah, so I gotta. Yeah, so I'm a grandpa.
- [118:24]
Keith
Congratulations.
- [118:25]
Biz
That's a veteran voice box right there.
- [118:28]
Whitney
No, I wanted to bring up the game. I mean there's a nine year old Ryan Whitney beat die hard BU fan and eight to seven in overtime, these guys beat BU for the national title. And BU had Kachaka Monte mcgechern La chance. Like it was that. That game.
- [118:48]
Dallas Drake
Yeah.
- [118:48]
Whitney
What a game.
- [118:49]
Dallas Drake
That game was crazy. Like if you ever get a chance to watch that game back on YouTube, it's quite honestly it's. In my opinion it's the best final game ever. It's eight to seven. It was crazy. They were up three nuts. And after the first we were up. We were up six, seven to or seven to four with like five minutes to go. And they scored three, one with one to tie it up with like whatever 20 seconds left. I was on the ice for that one and then, then we had overtime. You see the overtime if you watch it. McKechern had. Our goalie was in the corner and the puck came to McKecker and he came like Lily, four by six, right in front of him and it was spinning and he just tapped it and it hit the post, went across the goal line, hit the other post and then our goalie came diving back in and put his glove on it and we ended up winning in triple overtime. So it was, it was quite a different game.
- [119:40]
Whitney
Was that at the Rink in Minnesota that had the clear boards.
- [119:43]
Dallas Drake
Yeah, they were terrible. They were dead. You could shoot the as hard as you wanted that thing and it would just get right on the ground. You couldn't do on that rank.
- [119:50]
Whitney
Well, you played for the Wings at Joe Lewis. It was like they had those plays. It would bounce.
- [119:55]
Dallas Drake
Yeah.
- [119:55]
Whitney
The back of the board would put it right off the board. Slapshot right to right to Holmstrom. That was crazy. I remember, I mean, that was your rookie year two, figuring that building out. But I guess when you left Northern Michigan, Keith mentioned the numbers are insane. And then you had sick rookie year. Did you even expect to make that team? You, you mentioned the centers and like you kind of had to be a little surprised.
- [120:15]
Dallas Drake
Yeah, I was very surprised. I did. I did not expect to make the team. I thought I'd be definitely playing Adiron Adironic that year. I had a pretty good training camp, you know, got my ass beat up once. You know, I stuck my nose in there, did some things and then I'll give. Brian Murray gave me a chance. You know, that's. Sometimes I say kids all the time. Said all you can ask for is an opportunity. Listen what you do with it. And he gave me a chance and I, you know, I quite honestly, I thought I'd be there for a couple of weeks and I go back down. But I got off to a good start. You know, I got, like I said, I got a chance to play with some good players. So even if I was moved up to the third line, I was playing with Jimmy Carson, right. And then they threw me a Sergey. Once in a while you get shift with those guys and you know, you do nothing, they'll shift and you get an assist. So like, that's just kind of how it works when you play with good players. And that's just kind of how it worked for me. And I got off to a good start and I stuck it out and I stayed there. So. And again, like I said, I, I wasn't on the power play. I was, I was a penalty killer. I blocked shots, you know, did some stupid. And you know, Probie was there as well. So I, I quite honestly, it was great. Cause I got, I got to center Probie for quite some time and it was carte blanche, right? Like I could just. You could say to whatever you wanted to whoever you wanted, anytime you wanted. So it was fantastic. And he, and he didn't care. He loved it. He just giggled somebody. Most of the guys wouldn't go near him. But when push come to Shelf. He was always. He was around, so he was a fun guy to play with.
- [121:38]
Biz
Were you a yapper on the ice? Because, I mean, college, you're. You're at the time, you're wearing cages. You don't really have to scrap. So I'm sure you develop a little bit of that. But were you a guy on the ice who was just laying in the guys?
- [121:49]
Dallas Drake
I think early on in my career, I was probably worse. As I got older, I kind of toned it back a little bit, but I would. There's zingers you throw at guys for whatever reasons. Whatever you're saying, you know, certain guys that you don't like or certain guys, you know, you could say something to that. They'll do something stupid. But, yeah, I. I probably was pretty bad early in my career, especially when, you know, he had guys like pro. I mean, back in the day, it was crazy. We had Jim Cummins, Dennis Vial, you know, proby Terry Car. We had so many tough guys on our team. It was like just. There was a list of them that were just sitting there waiting for, was Turk there? It was crazy. You know, of course, Joey wasn't there. He. He had left, but we had a bunch of guys on our team that. Jerry McCarty was there. Like, you forget about him. He would just come into the league as well. So we had a lot of guys who liked to fight back then, and seemed like every team had three or four guys back then that you didn't want to even apparently talk to him very much.
- [122:43]
Whitney
But Gerard Gallant was tough, though, huh?
- [122:46]
Biz
Oh, yeah.
- [122:46]
Dallas Drake
He was funny. Was tough. Yeah, he was kind of.
- [122:50]
Whitney
I didn't realize. Yeah, he.
- [122:52]
Dallas Drake
He's one of those guys you don't mess around. He's like. Like, remember Steve Thomas? You guys are like Steve Stumpy. Like, he's a guy, you know, like, you don't even. You don't even know until Yellow Son. You're just getting bludgeoned by them. So it's like those guys were sleepers that you just said mess with.
- [123:07]
Biz
You mentioned you were roommates with Walt when you ended up going over to Winnipeg. Who was your first roommate in the NHL when you were with Detroit?
- [123:13]
Dallas Drake
Sergey stuck me with Sergey. Yeah. So, like, he was. It was good.
- [123:17]
Biz
Yeah.
- [123:18]
Dallas Drake
They threw me. Right. He didn't speak hardly. I mean, he spoke, but, like, just couple. Not just enough words that I could say, you want to go for dinner? Yes. Type thing. But no, he was. He was. He's either in the room getting a massage, so. Or he was. Oh, dating. Like, he was just one of those guys. He was always getting massages. So I commit.
- [123:35]
Biz
You bring him in the room.
- [123:37]
Dallas Drake
Yeah, he had massage in them all the time.
- [123:39]
Keith
It was just like, were they.
- [123:41]
Dallas Drake
Yeah, that's good. They're good. Yeah.
- [123:45]
Keith
Was that before or after Cornucova?
- [123:48]
Dallas Drake
Yeah, that was, that was after. That was.
- [123:50]
Whitney
Oh, really?
- [123:51]
Dallas Drake
It was after, yeah. So Sergey. Well, she was, I'd heard all the rumors with him. I'd never seen her. Well, I should say I had seen him with her, but like, on the, like after. I'm just talking about the massages. I don't know about what was, was going on about that, but he, he, he was kind of on and off with her, but I think it was more or less on the back end of that when I knew about it.
- [124:12]
Biz
So, so that wasn't a common thing, right, when guys were calling him a Seuss over the hotel.
- [124:17]
Dallas Drake
Yeah, but it wasn't yet. It wasn't the type of a Sushi might be thinking about.
- [124:20]
Biz
No, no, I'm not even saying that. Yeah, I'm saying more of like with the guys ragging on, rag on him for being a little showtime. Like, like we're guys getting.
- [124:28]
Dallas Drake
No, I know. No, no, he just loved it. He always got a massage. I don't know what it was. Especially when he went to Canada, he's always getting, it was like Vancouver, Toronto is always seemed to be those Canadian cities where he's getting them. So, no, I didn't rag him. I just said, you know, I'm playing on your line. I'm not going to say to you, so he was, he was a good dude. I liked him.
- [124:48]
Whitney
This, this roster is so insane. Like, insane. If you, when you left that team, like the trade, you probably never would have thought it would have taken them another four years to win one two. Like, it's shocking to see the names here. Like that year, Eisenman had 58 goals, 79 assists.
- [125:06]
Biz
Well, I was even shocked to see that you got dealt because you had such a good rookie year and then you started out well in that second year and then halfway through that year, you end up getting traded. Were they trying to make a move for a more veteran player to try to get that Stanley cup win.
- [125:20]
Dallas Drake
Yeah, I, well, I don't think the trade that they made was really a huge. I, I, this is just me and my, in my heart, I think I know what happened is I got hurt. I got in a fight earlier in the year and I got hurt, hurt my hand and I, I was out for quite A while. And Scotty was our. Scotty was our coach. If, you know, Scotty is a little different bird, right? So good coach, amazing coach, obviously, hall of Fame coach. But. So Scotty calls me and I get. I get healthy. I come back in and I run around. I'm getting some. I'm playing and doing what I normally do, being a pain in the ass. Scotty calls me to his office and he goes, hey. He goes, we gotta talk. I'm like, all right, what's. He goes, hey, we want you to stop hitting. Hitting people. I'm like, well, what do you want me to do then? Like, like I said, that's kind of what I do. I mean, like, you know, he's like, no, we think you're getting the other team more aggravated than, you know, helping. I'm like, all right. So I go on to, like a seven or eight game stint where I'm just invisible like him, useless. Brian Murray, come see me. I'm like, all right. He goes, what's going on? You're not doing any. You know, you haven't hit anybody in a month. I'm like, you need to go talk to Scotty. That's all I said. So just go talk to Scotty. Well, I think Scotty thought I went to Brian and bitch and complained, which I didn't. And. Because Brian obviously want to talk to Scotty about it and Scotty probably. But whatever. I would have, but I got traded like, 48 hours later.
- [126:40]
Whitney
Oh.
- [126:41]
Dallas Drake
So it's kind of like whether that's, you know, I just think, you know, miscommunication or whatever. At the point in my career, it was actually the best thing that could have happened to me, even though I was leaving a team that ended up winning a bunch of Stanley Cups, even though it was a few years later. But, you know, I went to Winnipeg. It was a young team, and we had a good bunch of talent, good guys. We were all relatively around the same age. So it was. It was. It was a blessing for me.
- [127:05]
Whitney
Would Scotty Bowman, like, give it to Eisenman or Fedorov? Like, was he. Was he kind of anyone, was free game, or would he more pick and choose like some coaches do?
- [127:14]
Dallas Drake
Yeah, he. Was. He picked and choose a little bit. I mean, like, he didn't say much of Cirque. Sergio. I think Sergey, he might have won the heart that year in 94, 95. Right. So he had an amazing year. And Stevie was at a different level than everybody else. So he didn't say much to Stevie. Yeah, he. You Know, he knew to pick and choose. Like a lot of coaches do. They know who they can pick a little bit more than others and, you know, rightfully so. But he was a good. He was an incredible bench coach. I will say that. Like, he. He was a little strange off the ice. He did some weird things, but. No, like, one of the things like we had, he had. He had like three different whistles in, in print, in. In practice. And they all sounded different. Sound like sheep were coming down from the mountains sometime. Like, he's blowing this whistle, you're like, what the hell? And then the whistle was like, you're supposed. This whistle, man, you had to dump it in this missile, man. You had to friggin. I'm like, holy. Was. It was just chaos and seeing our practices and we had, you know, we. At that time, we had Paul Coffey and if, you know, coffee. He's like a classic. He's rolling his eyes and Dino Cicarelli and guys like that, they didn't know what was going on. But he. He was a great bench coach. He was amazing with figuring out how to beat the other team. But he did some quirky things off the ice.
- [128:23]
Biz
I think there's a story of when he was in Pittsburgh. Like, they won't even allow him on the ice for practice. They'd say, no, no, go sit in the stands. And he would smoke a stogie in the stands and. And the players would run practice. Now, what could you, like, tell us other weird shit that he was doing other than the whistle stuff and more. So maybe stuff like off the ice. Was it. Was it mind games?
- [128:43]
Dallas Drake
Yeah, a little bit. Sometimes I think, you know, he. He's. He's. He lived in. When he got. Went to Detroit, he, like, he'd go where he'd go home, he'd go on a trip or whatever. He'd come back and he. He couldn't find. He couldn't get his. Down to Joe Lewis from the airport. He could get directions all the time. So he'd be calling the trainers because I wear the Scotty. You've been here for like six months. The airport's not that far away. So, like, just no shit like that. He, you know, he. Besides the whistle things that he, you know, he plays some mind games with certain players, you know, Ray Shepard and players like that. Ray Shepard was a really good goal scorer that time. I think, you know, he turned Shep in the wrong direction. But, you know, he's. He's. He's an amazing coach. I don't Want to sit here and rip on him. But he, he was, he's a smart guy, just did things his own way, you know. I think he tried to bring back the defensive aspect to the team, which eventually got them to do. And that's. And guess what? They eventually won. But took him a while and I just cried. He cracked up. He had these micron skates with like Velcro that pulled over and oh my God, every time he stepped on the ice, he thought he was going to break his ankles. It was, it was hard to watch. So.
- [129:49]
Biz
And I just want to go back to your comment about him being a great bench coach because everybody talks about it. Like, what's your interpretation of that? Because obviously being a good X and O coach is very important, but a lot of Stanley Cups are won and lost through the in game adjustments. Like, what exactly do you mean by he was a good bench coach?
- [130:08]
Dallas Drake
I think he just had a really good feel of what his opponent was really good at or not so good at. And I'm not saying he wasn't. Like, it wasn't, it wasn't matching lines or getting this guy out gets that guy. He just got a. He had a good feeling on what their systems were and what they were trying to do. And he would, he would. In mid, you know, in mid, mid, mid game, he'd like all of a sudden put Stevie on right wing with Sergey and Kozlov. Like he did weird shit like that against, you know, he'd be. Man, he'd put him out there against the best line, whoever they're playing against. So he, he was really good with his own team with like just mixing guys around. It. Just take like, you obviously saw the Russian five stuff where he had five guys out there. Like he was the first to try that. And that was. I mean, what I know if you ever played against them when they were like that, that Russian five, but that, that was diabolical. That wasn't fair when they did that. I mean it was. It's like we. I remember doing it going out there against this guy. Like, I didn't touch the puck. Like, I didn't. I'd been better. Just put my stick on the bench. Like it was, it was embarrassing.
- [131:06]
Whitney
They regroup and drop.
- [131:09]
Dallas Drake
They were doing drop passes behind the net, but they said the blue line, everybody's weaving. Like there's no system that can cover that. What do you do? Just change? That's what I do. I just change. Just get off. Because it was impossible. And. But you know, he was, he was he was really good at doing stuff like that. Little things were putting guys on the. In a different position that you never expect. Sergey put Sergey on the point and they played defense for a shift, right? So. And they're like, not many guys can do that, but he, he, he, he knew which guys could.
- [131:36]
Whitney
It must have been hard, though. Like, you see that team and all these guys are young, and then, boom, you're traded. Like, had to be kind of. And you'd played at Northern Michigan. I imagine you're pretty rattled when you, when you were told.
- [131:47]
Dallas Drake
Yeah, I was, I was really rattled. I, I didn't, I didn't expect it. But, you know, at that point in time, my career, I, you know, in the long run, it helped me a lot because I don't think I would have developed the way I developed the next couple years like I did. You know, I was fortunate enough to play with some really good players in Winnipeg and, you know, playing a top six role and kind of when you start doing that, you start putting up a little bit better numbers and your. It changes your directory of what kind of player you are. That helped me a lot. It did suck because they ended up winning us down the cup, you know, two or three years later. And that kind of stings a little bit. But I was fortunate enough to go back and play with them, obviously, in a way, and it was fun. So.
- [132:26]
Keith
And you, you mentioned it too. Like, you go to Winnipeg and a lot of those guys and, you know, the way you talk about Big Walt, like, you can tell you guys are still close. You guys were all like, around the same age, so that must have been comforting going there and be like, all right, at least I'm starting with guys around my own age. We're going to do this together and figure it out, figure out the NHL, right?
- [132:44]
Dallas Drake
Yeah. And we were, we were shitty for a couple years there. I mean, we did make the playoffs, I think, our last year before we moved to Phoenix. But we had some good players, right? Alex Amof, he was, he was a hell of a player. We traded t. Worst trade in history of National Hockey League. But I don't know why they traded him or for what they traded him for, but we had some good young kids, you know, like, you know, Walt Nelson, Emerson, Alex Amos, Igor Korab, unfortunately is not with us anymore. And our back end, we had Tepo Newman, who's a legit, really, really good defenseman, you know, Dave Manson and players like that. So we had, and we had Happy Boolean, who just kind of get Cut into the fold there as well. So we had. We had some good teams there, which Ellis. We took to Phoenix and had a little bit of success. Success as well.
- [133:28]
Keith
I had heard they traded Timo because they thought his knees were bad and he went on to play about 20 more seasons.
- [133:34]
Dallas Drake
So that was a good call, wasn't it? Holy. Yeah.
- [133:38]
Biz
Team doctor on waivers.
- [133:40]
Dallas Drake
Yeah.
- [133:41]
Whitney
That must have been weird though, because as players, it's got to be a little exciting. You're going to Phoenix. Like, you're going to Arizona. Warm weather, the opposite of Winnipeg. But then you're seeing the fans just crushed, right? Like, I think there's images and videos of the last game there. And like, when did you guys find out that season? I think Timu talked about. I mean, I don't know how it went for you.
- [134:03]
Dallas Drake
We knew. We knew like Christmas time that we were leaving because we all flew down Phoenix at Christmas. They actually rent us the plane and we went down. We flew down there. It was like 100 degree temperature difference. We left, it was like minus 30. And we got to Phoenix, it was like 70, right. So. But yeah, that's. We all. We knew it was. It was tough. Especially our last game, you know, after we lost, they were. People were throwing on the ice and it was smashing all there. It was disappointing. But at the time they couldn't. They couldn't get the whole. The whole rink situation figured out. I mean, like, wasn't really an NHL caliber rank and something had to change a little bit for the most part. And it did suck. It was a great play. We going to Phoenix was obviously at the time was very exciting for all of us. Great weather. You know, we played. We pretty much filled the rink when we played there. We had good attendance and it was. It was hard though. I mean, it's. Especially being from Canada and all those Canadian fans. That was difficult for a lot of people.
- [134:58]
Keith
What was it like? Because I remember, even for me in. I got. I drafted there in 05, just landing in Phoenix and I was like, oh my God, there's a hockey team. Like, I couldn't believe it. I remember seeing like the mountains and stuff. Obviously no snow or anything on it and being like, oh my God, this is where a hockey team isn't coming from. Winnipeg, where it's all hockey all day. Like, that must have been. You guys must have been like, what is going on?
- [135:19]
Dallas Drake
Yeah, I love that, quite honestly, because like, I mean, I. I don't. The hockey market, like Toronto and Winnipeg and Van Kuritz. I mean, it's 24 7. Right? Like. And I. You can't get away from it regardless where you are. So I. I enjoyed the part. You can just get away with it. Nobody knew who you were very much. And it was funny. They were trying to promote the team and promote us, and they had us wearing rollerblades around these events, trying to beat. It was comical.
- [135:44]
Biz
Get the out of here. They make you guys throw on rollerblades?
- [135:47]
Dallas Drake
Oh, yeah. I remember rolling them up. Me, Chris King, banging out this press conference. I never had rollerblades on in my life. Like. Like, I. Like I'm out there trying to get down. Like, what are we doing? So. But yeah, we rolled us out some rollerblades and introducing the team with your jerseys on. It was pretty funny.
- [136:05]
Whitney
Where were you playing then? You said the crowd was good downtown.
- [136:09]
Dallas Drake
Yeah, we played America west, so. But the, you know, the whole half the end of the rink there was kind of blocked off. But maybe he packed the place, man. He had bands in there playing in between periods and, you know, rock bands in there. Alice Cooper's was right across the street there is his place. And we had good teams there. We went to playoffs every year. We lost in the first round twice and we had Ole Miss advantage. We had some really solid teams there. We should have got on the first round, but we filled the building pretty much every night. And it just wasn't a hockey rank.
- [136:39]
Keith
So you guys must take pride in that. Where, I mean, you see Utah going through it. You see Vegas, you know, Seattle. Like, you know, if it wasn't for you guys, we would never see a guy like Auston Matthews and all these kids that have made it in the league. Like, there's got to be some pride with you guys that you were the first group there and, you know, got hockey to where it is and, you know, it's going to continue to grow as well.
- [137:01]
Dallas Drake
I hope so. I think. I think y' all losing that team is going to hurt a little bit, but I think the foundation has been built for the most part, getting a lot. Nearly got a good. A lot of good young group organizations, the Coyotes and all that. Obviously they have the Sundales. Having a Division 1 team there helps immensely. Having nice come out of there and they. They're doing a really good job there so far. They got some really good elite players coming in, and a little Potter kid got drafted in the first round last year. So I think they're gonna continue to get better. Hopefully it doesn't hurt them too much. At least they're minor Hockey Association. But this was some good kids I've been coaching out there the last four years, and there's been a couple of really good kids I coached Sean Barneau, got drafted this year to the Rangers. And so there's some players that, you know, some young kids that are good players out there.
- [137:48]
Biz
We don't need to talk about this if it makes you uncomfortable, but I told a story recently on the Pardon My Take podcast about how teams who shower together win together. And I believe we were talking about Jim McKenzie and how he's basically got a donkey dick.
- [138:04]
Dallas Drake
Yeah. And he does, actually.
- [138:06]
Biz
Six months after we talked about it on this podcast, Whit, I believe you met his daughter, and she came up and she asked you play to stop talking.
- [138:13]
Whitney
She just said, can you please stop talking about my dad's penis? Most awkward, awkward fan interaction I've ever had in my life. I was crying, laughing. She's like, yeah, I just. I. The show's very, very funny, but I just. I can't listen to this. It's my dad.
- [138:30]
Dallas Drake
When we. When we. We pick. When we trade for Jimmy Mac and Winnipeg. I know Walt told you a story against. He, like. Walt was more excited for that moment than he was anything I've ever seen in my life. Like, he. He just wanted to see it. Like, he just. He couldn't wait. I'm like, well, he goes, when's practice? He couldn't get off the ice fast enough.
- [138:49]
Whitney
So practice is over.
- [138:51]
Dallas Drake
He got. He got, he got. He had to stay on the ice a little bit long for practice. I don't know if he was working on the power play and Jimmy Mack was off. He should have been opposite Jimmy Mack should have probably been out there working on some shit. And. Well, Jimmy Mack was in the shower, and I was. I remember Walt just came off. He didn't. He didn't slow down. Like, he just dropped his gloves stick and walked right in the shower. The skates on. I see. Look, just came a little pod and walked out. That was it.
- [139:21]
Biz
Donor said the first time he was walking by the shower, and he, like, caught it out of his, like, the corner of his eye and, like, stopped them dead in his tracks, and he couldn't believe it. So, yeah, it's with.
- [139:32]
Whitney
I don't even think that was on. Pardon my take. It was macro dosing, I believe. Yeah.
- [139:37]
Biz
Oh, that's right. It was our macro.
- [139:38]
Whitney
Because Arian Foster, who was a football player, was like, yeah, black culture is not really, like, like that in the NFL locker rooms.
- [139:46]
Biz
Right. They don't really, you know, talk about that and give their teammates standing ovations for have huge wrenches. Now that clip was going viral. So I ended up getting a few texts from somebody who was involved with a team. And I'm going to read this text. The best story was the players Christmas party. All the wives were hammered and they heard the stories about Jimmy Mack's unit from their husband. So they begged them to whip it out at the party to show them Max. Wife finally gave the okay and yeah, there's like, there's.
- [140:14]
Dallas Drake
There, there's a there. The wives are, they were all about it. Like my, my wife was there or my wife, we were, yeah, she was there and I, she, we, we talk every now and then it comes up the COVID and there was a couple wives are like oh no, let's come on, let's, let's go, let's see this. And they weren't married yet. I'm like, dude, you should just like. It's just back off here a little bit. You guys remember the guy stewing Malgunis? He was up and down in the Miners and his wife, was she at the touch or. His wife to me was. She was dying to see him much too. You might want to be like, whoa, whoa.
- [140:43]
Biz
So yeah, make sure you get that prenup.
- [140:46]
Dallas Drake
Yeah, that's right.
- [140:48]
Whitney
Give her a ring first before he shows it.
- [140:50]
Biz
Worry more about that negotiation than her next contract.
- [140:53]
Whitney
By the way, Jimmy Mack's daughter, poor girl, if she hears this, she's gonna be like, my mum said it was okay too, that he could show up.
- [141:00]
Keith
I heard his mom was a tiny thing too. Or his wife.
- [141:03]
Whitney
Sorry.
- [141:03]
Dallas Drake
Yeah, she was, she was very tiny.
- [141:06]
Biz
Okay, well, we just lost a listener, but we, we might have gained a few more. That is so fucking funny. What was it like playing with a young Shane Doan? Like just an all time guy, obviously a stud coming out of junior and he was a first round draft pick to Winnipeg around that time. So you know, what was it like playing with, with him?
- [141:26]
Dallas Drake
It was great. He's, you know, he donor played as an 18 year old in Winnipeg. You know, coming from Canada, there's a lot of expectations for him and he didn't really have a great rookie year, but I think it was his next year and the year after that he really started, you know, becoming the player he was. He's always a horse, right? You can just. He walks in, he's a farm kid, he's, you know, four by four thick, big, you know, big canticles, big everything. So he, he's one of those kids that you knew was going to be strong enough to play or just about figuring it out. And once he did, he's a hell of a player and a great leader. Now he's obviously the face of that franchise for an awfully long time and just a super human being, as everybody knows. It's the first thing they always say about him. Right? Just the best human being possible. And there's not a lot of people you can say that about. You know, Nicholas Lichtenman, Shandon might be the two guys at the top of that list. So those. That's good company for himself.
- [142:15]
Biz
Yeah, yeah. Like, especially for what we were going through as an organization, like during that five year period I was there with like the NHL owning the team and you know, like not knowing like the future of what was going on with us. There was rumors of us having new owners maybe potentially moving. Like he just really like, he was the glue guy that kept, kept it all together and, and kept us really united as well as like Dave Tippett and the coaching staff and Don Maloney did an incredible job. But just going back to what you said, just like to like the fact that I got to play with him and like, like what, what I was able to take from him as just even as a person, like it was invaluable and, and like I, I almost looked at him like a second father.
- [142:54]
Dallas Drake
Yeah. Yeah, he's. And thing with donor too. Like, what people don't know about is like he was tough as nails, right? Like you didn't need to mess with him at all. Like guys knew that. Like even tough guys around the league, they knew like if you were going to fight donor, you had your hands full so you're that strong and that big and you know, he could take care of himself and when he got mad, he didn't want to be on the wrong side of that. So that's what I liked about his game the most, is that he was pretty much a computer complete player where he was a lot like Walt, right? Like a big guy who plays physical, goes to the net, shoots the puck really well and they can stop you when he wants it, wants to. So like there was a lot of guys like that who could, who played in that generation that were complete like that. And you think of there's a handful of guys, you know, Brendan Shanahan, Kachuk donors in there, there's, there's probably a few other I'm missing, but guys like that are few and far between when.
- [143:40]
Whitney
You ended up in St. Louis. Was. Did you sign there?
- [143:44]
Dallas Drake
Yeah. So I was 31. Was the free agent back then. That's when I became unrestricted. All the time in my career I was ever unrestricted. So, you know, I obviously, you know, Phoenix tried to sign me, and I had quite a few offers from a few other teams, and I was very interested in, at that time, winning a Stanley Cup. And there was a few teams that I kind of boiled it down to, and St. Louis at the time was pretty loaded, and I thought, you know, they had a really good chance to get there, so I ended up choosing them.
- [144:12]
Whitney
I mean, that's. That's a crazy, like, place for me, because you go there in downtown, St. Louis isn't much, but then you see the surrounding suburbs and then all the guys that stay there. We've talked about this a lot. And then all the kids that have come up from the NHL alumni who stayed there. Like, did you understand why so many guys just chose to live there when they did retire after. After your years there? Because you had some great teams.
- [144:36]
Dallas Drake
I, quite honestly, with me and my family, we thought hard about staying there as well. Me and my wife had family back here in Michigan and made the decision a little bit harder for her, but we would have stayed there. We loved it there. There's a ton of guys there. They got a great alumni, a great setup there for the alumni and the. It's a great city outside of downtown, like you said. It's a little sketchy down there, but you get out in the outskirts there, and it's really nice. There's a lot going on. You can do whatever you want. A lot. Really good golf. You know, I'm a big fisherman, so I love to fish. So this place is for anything you want to do there.
- [145:08]
Biz
I would imagine Walt had a lot to do with you also going to St. Louis because. Was he not there at that time as well?
- [145:14]
Dallas Drake
No, Walt. Walt got traded there at, like. Like in January of that year after I left. So I signed there, and Walt was still in Phoenix. And so, like, that how it worked out there. I remember talking to the general manager. Larry Plo had pulled me in and talked to me about Walt. You know, just wanted to get confirmation on what and not, like, he didn't know. And I had been talking to Walt because rumors was he was getting traded there regardless. It wasn't January. It was right before the deadline where he came in with us. And so, you know, so he. I had been talking to him on the, you know, on the phone. Quite a bit as well, hearing those rumors that he was coming our way. And so, yeah, it was pretty exciting time for myself, my wife's good friend with Chantal, so it was, it was fun for him to come where we were.
- [145:55]
Keith
Is it mind blowing to you that he's not in the hall of Fame yet? Because it is to me.
- [145:59]
Dallas Drake
That's a no brainer to me and people ask me that all the time. And it's, it's an absolute, it's a no brainer. Like why he's not on the ball. He better be on the ballot this year. I'm not sure if he will be. You never know. But I don't know what the ballot even out yet. But you know, Junior went in last year, which I was super excited for that. I think that kind of set a little bit of a precedent of JR's going in. I don't think why, I don't see any reason why Walt won't go in. He, in my opinion, he was one of the, in his, you know, peak of his career, he was one of the top five guys in the league. He was scored 50, you know, two or three times. You know, he was a lead player. You know, he didn't want to sound the cup, but he was, you know, he's a big boy. Like, he was just, he was just one of those guys that when you played against him, you knew who to stop. You had to stop. And it was him. And he was, he was, you know, besides Brendan Shanahan and himself and a couple other guys, there was, there was nobody else that really did what they did from top to bottom. So yeah, he's a no brainer hall of Famer in my books.
- [146:55]
Biz
And, and we kind of went through the list of the guys you play with in Detroit and really throughout your whole career, like you played with some absolute legends, first ballot hall of famers. Al McInnis is a guy that we don't probably talk enough on this podcast. I hope we get to interview him. A guy who played like just under or just over 1400 games, almost a point a game. Defenseman, he had that big blast. Like what was he like as a teammate? And, and maybe some of the more underrated aspects of his game that, that aren't mentioned enough.
- [147:23]
Dallas Drake
Well, he was a pretty quiet leader. He didn't say much. Right. You know, every now he'd say what he had to say, but it wasn't very often. You know, his play in itself usually dictated, you know, every now and then he snapped, but not very Often he was pretty mild mannered guy, but he was what, what guy for me, like every time you think Al, you think I was offense his shot. But defensively he was, he was really good. Like he was a shutdown guy. He was always out the end of the games. We had him in prongs and prongs is a whole different freak in himself. But Al was just one of those guys that, you know, scores 75, 80 points every year. And when he teed it up and shot, have you ever seen a blade he used? It was like 90 degree angle. Like it was lily a shaft and strict. The blade just went to the right. It was no curbing, it was just straight. So how he shot with that without shooting it in the corner over there, I'm not 100 sure how he did it, but it was. And he didn't shoot. He's one of the few guys that when he teed it up, he was going to shoot it below your knee pads, he was going to hit you in the face. So he's, he's a lead guy, fantastic human being, you know, he's. He's obviously in the hall of Fame for a reason.
- [148:26]
Keith
Was he, was he letting them fly in practice like that? Because I remember my first year, I shot a puck high on Olin Nolan and he skated out to the blue line. It was like a tipping drill. And he was like, hey, if you ever shoot the puck that high again, I'm going to punch your teeth down your throat. And I swear to God, for the rest of my career, I don't think I shot one over the crossbar.
- [148:46]
Dallas Drake
Oh yeah, See, I believe that with Owen. Yeah. Al didn't teed up. He didn't. He laid off on the practice. He did like he was shooting probably 75% and like if he shot it any more than 6 inches off the ice, it was. It didn't happen very much. But we him at 75% was faster than 90% of the league. So. And he could shoot at 105 and those old sure white Sherwood stick. So he was amazing how hard he could shoot it.
- [149:11]
Whitney
What's crazy about him is he had over 1400 regular season games over 170 playoff games. The year before the eye Injury, he had 68 points. He had two points in three games that year. Like he wasn't even close to being done. Huh.
- [149:25]
Dallas Drake
I know it's a sad way for him, man, especially with the eye injury. I mean because he was still a peak, you know, one of the top four or five defensemen in the league at the time. It's kind of a shitty way to go out like that.
- [149:37]
Whitney
What happened? I don't remember exactly.
- [149:38]
Dallas Drake
Just a freak high stick up under a. Under his shield and hit him in the eye. And like, you know, originally we thought it wasn't going to be nothing too bad. He was out for, you know, a couple weeks. But then, you know, he had kept having vision problems, couldn't see, couldn't look down. So basically got to a point where he was. He could not play for rightful reasons. So great. I mean, I can't say enough about that guy. He's. He's a great team and one of the best teammates I've ever had.
- [150:03]
Whitney
What was, was prongs in the room similar to, to how he was with me, like giving it to guys. Did he ever give it to you?
- [150:08]
Dallas Drake
Yeah. Oh yeah, just. Just carte blanche. Just call you out, say whatever he wanted to say to you. You're terrible, you stink. You know, like. But he wasn't using those words. But yeah, he was a beauty.
- [150:21]
Whitney
He.
- [150:22]
Dallas Drake
He quite honestly could have been the best defensive I've ever played with. Like, and I say that Nicholas Lidstrom, him, like it goes back and forth. He was, he's a free show. Like he, you played with him. You know what he's like. Competitive is all hell. Dirty is all hell. Like just. He'll spear in the face, you'll slash your wrist. But he's an elite defenseman. I, I never played with a guy I can make a pass from a seam pass from blue line to blue from his end of the blue line. Like him, he was unreal. So. And I went a 6, 5, 6, 6 long like he is. It's just, he was, he was a pretty perfect defenseman in my opinion.
- [150:58]
Whitney
He was passing so hard, passing so hard in practice and if you missed it, he just like, that was like.
- [151:05]
Biz
That was like Ed Jovanowski. He used like a 130 flex and it was, it was the size of a mini stick. He used a short stick. And remember how he used to saw down the knob? Yan. So like where his pinky went, it was so like there wasn't much circumference. Circumference, big word for me. Pat myself on the back. But he would just you. It was a 15 foot pass and he would snap it and it would explode off my blade and. And then he'd be skating up the ice doing wrist curls. Like he would. He would go down, put his. Put his forearms on his pants and give me the Wrist curl signal.
- [151:37]
Whitney
Yeah.
- [151:37]
Keith
He thought everyone was still using wooden sticks in. In 2009 or whenever you were there with us. But yeah, he was firing pucks. It guys. It was not fun.
- [151:45]
Dallas Drake
Yeah. Yeah. He practiced exactly how he played too. Right. Like, in practice, he was just as nasty. He was in games. He didn't care. It's. I like prongs. I'm on your team. Vote slashed me on the wrist. Jesus Christ. You know, like. So, yeah, I hated playing against him. Everybody really enjoyed playing with him. He was. He was pretty elite, so.
- [152:02]
Biz
Well, wits, I think wits. One of his favorite teams growing up was Detroit because he loved Stevie.
- [152:09]
Dallas Drake
Kind of my wife.
- [152:10]
Biz
Yeah. Okay. But it's. It's awesome at the fact that, like, the way that it ended when you originally got traded, kind of a weird situation. But you end up getting brought back there in your final year. You end up winning a Stanley cup, and Nick Lidstrom hands you the Stanley cup first. If I'm not, am I mistaken here? Are you the first one to get it?
- [152:29]
Dallas Drake
I was. Yeah.
- [152:30]
Biz
How fucking special was that moment? And I mean, coming full circle, that.
- [152:34]
Dallas Drake
Was crazy, you know, because I didn't expect that. I remember Nick going again the cup and raising it. And I. I was looking around, just talking to guys, and next thing I know, he's skating over. Then I. I didn't expect to get in and like, drapes. And those guys started pushing me out there. I think they knew I was done. Like, I pretty much told them I was done after that year. So, you know, they probably felt sorry for me. But it was. It was. It was incredible. Yeah. Something I'll never forget the rest of my life. That was amazing. Just. I mean, just to lift it in itself is. Is special. But you know, behind it at first was, you know, truly something I'll never forget. It was unreal.
- [153:07]
Keith
And he was. At that time, he was the first European captain to ever win it too. So just think of how good of a guy he is. To think of you in that situation and not himself is just. And you know, everyone calls him the perfect human and, you know.
- [153:20]
Dallas Drake
Yes.
- [153:21]
Keith
Like, he was, you know, besides Ray Bork. He was my number one guy growing up. And just try to emulate him as much as possible.
- [153:27]
Dallas Drake
He is a very special person. Obviously a great leader. Like, speaking of quiet leaders, he didn't say boo. Right. So unless, you know, very. And when he said it, he said in a very mild mannered way. So he didn't have to say much with the group. We had. We had a pretty Solid group. But he was, he was so special. Like, my God, he was so good. Like, like I've never seen a guy bat down so many dump ins in my life. Like you can't, like you're just trying to rip it in. He just knocks it down. And the pucks of your other blue line before I know it and you're getting smarted your dash one before you know it. So it's so frustrating to play against, but man, he was fun to play with. I didn't get on the ice with him very much, but when I did it was fun.
- [154:04]
Biz
That was no word of a lie. Like obviously all I did my whole career was dump it in Yan's especially every time we were at the Joe Louis he would have me do that where I'd be coming one on one and I would dump it instead of trying to get by him and he would try batting it out of the ear, just out of the air, just the way that Nick used to do it. So yeah, you talk about emulating your favorite players. That was one thing you were doing in practice.
- [154:27]
Keith
Oh yeah, yeah. I mean you gotta, no matter whether you're playing with guys or against them, especially the best, like you just want to try to do things that they're doing and like emulate what they're doing. Especially the top, top guys like him.
- [154:40]
Dallas Drake
Yeah, he was, he was special. And Pavel, I played with Pavel that year and oh God, like without a doubt the most talented guy I've ever seen. Like just the freak show, like the stuff that, that guy, he practiced stuff in practice that you see him working in the corner, working on this little movie, you're like, what's, that's never gonna work. What are you doing? Like you'd have four pucks around and be flipping it over for like this stupid and like, you know, next thing you know, in practice it works. You do it in practice once and then he'd make somebody look stupid on the ice. Doing it like he was, what he could do with the puck was incredible.
- [155:13]
Keith
I remember going out and watching, you know, you guys during practice and obviously you guys had everybody, but I remember watching Datsuk after practice playing keep away. Whether it was like a one of the coaches or another guy would come in and like no one could get.
- [155:27]
Army
The puck from him.
- [155:28]
Whitney
No.
- [155:28]
Dallas Drake
Yeah, it was, yeah, like I said, he did like that all the time with guys. He'd do little drills by himself and yeah, he was, he could, you couldn't get it from me. I'd never seen a guy with A more heavy stick or strong on his stick than him. You know, the way he stole pox is one thing, but like the way he protected and got it through people and he was just, he was, he was one of the best I've ever seen. And when it comes to making those little subtle moves that we do against our four year olds, but he does them against NHL players, right. So he's. It's amazing.
- [155:58]
Biz
I'm actually going to be heading to Chris Chelos's charity golf tournament on Monday. What a, what a, like, what a character he is. Like, could you ever see someone go as deep and as late as he would go? 3, 4 in the morning, how many beers he was chugging and then. First guy there. Did you ever do one of those sauna workouts with him or.
- [156:18]
Dallas Drake
I was in the sauna a lot. I didn't do any of those workouts. So that. There's a bike in there and it was his. Right. A bunch of the other guys kind of rode it. Like I, that's. That was. No, no, no thanks. I get tired enough just sitting in there, let alone friggin riding a bike. So. But yeah, it was, yeah. And do you see now him and Dan, you, you see that little company he's got going on downs and downs. And downs. We play with downs too. Right. He downs was there when he won it. He's a classic in himself. So it's, it's. I was fun to see those guys kind of doing something like that.
- [156:46]
Biz
Was he a potato farmer growing up?
- [156:48]
Dallas Drake
Yeah, he was biz.
- [156:50]
Keith
Remember him at training camp, I remember first day walking in, he had signed like a PTO with us and he was walking on the treadmill with like 40 pound weights, just doing curls the entire time he's walking. I'm like, what is this guy? And they're like, dude, that's Aaron Downey. He's a killer. Don't go near him. I'm like, trust me, I won't.
- [157:06]
Biz
Jamie Tardif, my, one of my best friends. I was the best man at his wedding. He trained with him one summer and I, I think he's just like around about, probably around hour outside of Toronto. Right. Where he's still on the potato farm and he'd be doing these workouts where they'd be carrying logs and doing all this crazy. I'm like what the turrets? What the are you doing out there on the farm with this guy? But he, he definitely had some fun farmer workouts for sure.
- [157:32]
Dallas Drake
Yeah. But nobody can compete with Shelley. Like you Got Chelly could go and have two, three or four or five beers at three in the morning and be the first one to rank. Like he had his. But when I played there at his bar was run. I was right, right. You know, right downtown, not far. So he could drive there five minutes and be at his place. And he had a little apartment up there for himself when he wanted to spend the night. So he was all set. The rest of us had to go home.
- [157:53]
Biz
But I like. I like getting your input on all these like legends that you play with. Like talking about Datsu, the most talented guy and. And Pronger probably the biggest freak the year that in Detroit there Dominic Hasek was there. Did. Did Osgood take over a net during that playoff run? Yeah, and I was just gonna ask you about both goalies. I mean Hasek was. Was a freaking net and a legend in himself as well.
- [158:18]
Dallas Drake
It was. Dom was a different breed. Like he was a different cookie too. Like. Right. Like he beat it to his own drum, which was fine. But yeah, that year he, you know, he would pretty much him as Ozzy. I probably. Dom probably had a few more games in Ozzy, but. And then halfway through that Nashville series when Nashville came back committed 2, 2 in the first round, they went to Ozzy and he kind of took the show from there. So we had pretty good goalten. You have both those guys then Ozzy was still good person, good spot in his career where he's real solid. And Dom was. Yeah, Dom was. He was. He was different. Like. Like the way he made you see all his highlights, like his double pad stacks. Friggin. He does weird shit like just out of the blue. And I'll never forget we were playing. I don't know who we were playing, but the guy got a breakaway. I was on the ice Forks. I remember I was trying to chase him and the guy was reaching back to get the puck kind of like this right inside the blue line. And domestic skated 100 miles an hour out of the net and met him 10ft inside the blue line. He laying like this. The guy hit him. It was that guy in Gabric in Minnesota. He just took his feet out. The guy, he did like a complete flip in the axe.
- [159:25]
Keith
Oh, I've seen that.
- [159:26]
Dallas Drake
He just did like that. Like. But he was. He was kind of near the end of his career when I played him there, but he was still pretty darn elite. Just did things that he didn't stop pucks like ever the goalies. That's why he couldn't Score on me, like. But he didn't do the traditional stuff. He was just. He was different. So it made it twice as hard. I mean, guys like me never score on a guy like that. You know, like, you had to be kind of good to score on those guys. And he was. He was different.
- [159:49]
Biz
How did. How did Dominic Hasek take that? Like, because obviously, if you. If you perform to that level throughout your whole career, you're type A, right? And we kind of saw it with Mark Andre Fleury when he handed the reins off to Matt Murray, those few cup runs where they. They won the second, third one during that era. Was he a supportive teammate and kind of was, you know, just patting him on the back, or was it a little bit of a difficult dynamic trying to balance those egos?
- [160:14]
Dallas Drake
No, it's good.
- [160:15]
Whitney
He was.
- [160:15]
Dallas Drake
He was a great teammate. He handled everything great. He really did. I mean, like. And I'd heard. I've seen guys speak about Dom in the past about him not being a good teammate, maybe when he's in Buffalo, but the Dom that I knew when I was in Detroit was great. Got, like, good teammate, did what we had to do to win, supported his teammates. Didn't say much. Right. He was pretty quiet guy for the most part, so he was. He was fantastic.
- [160:37]
Keith
It's probably hard to be, you know, an asshole, I guess, when there's five or six hall of Fame guys on your team, too, right? Like, where, you know, you. You're not going to come into the locker room, be like, fuck this, I should be playing when you're winning. And then you got, you know, hall of Fame guys in every corner.
- [160:53]
Dallas Drake
Yeah, 100%. We had. We had such a strong group there, from top to bottom, starting with Nick and, you know, guys like Drapes, Daddy, even guys like Danny Cleary. And then you got the, you know, Stars and Z and Pav and those players like that. We had. We had. It was. It was just a group that. Yeah, you're just. We. We won the President's Trophy that year. We won the best goalies that year. We won, I think, every award that. When we want to stand the cup, we had every award across our picture there. Right? So there was not much to complain about by anybody. If you're complaining, I don't know why that would have been happening, especially from the younger players, like the older players like myself, but he was. Yeah, it was a special year. The.
- [161:32]
Biz
The last guy I was going to ask about on that that Detroit team was Darren McCarty. Just seems like, so relatable. The fans love him, like party animal. We actually had the chance to hang out with him. Our first ever Chiclets cup that we threw in Detroit. Sure enough, we'll, we'll be throwing another one in Boston next week. But just like what was it like hanging out with him and just such a character and a forever red wing.
- [161:55]
Dallas Drake
Yeah. It's funny because I played at the back the beginning of my career and the end of my career. Right. I played my first couple years there and then his last year when I was there, he didn't come in until, geez, we signed him right before, you know, the dead. Not the deadline, but like in March. He came in, went down and played in the minors for a little bit. Kind of got his, you know, wheels a little bit. And then they called him up for the playoffs and he was great. I played with Mack for a bunch of games in the playoffs, so he was, he knew what he was there for. You know, he knew what his role was. He accepted it, you know, play limited minutes. You know, he'd fight when he had to, which was at that time he wasn't fighting much in the playoffs, but. And those of you know, Mac, I mean, like, it's not like he was a bad player. Like he, he, he, he was, he was a guy that could play. I mean like he, he had pretty good hands. He could make plays. You know, when he left Detroit, went to Calgary, signed to unrestricted field skill there. I mean he could play. He's, he wasn't a guy that would just fought all the time. Was. And he was like, he's a guy that can contribute in different ways.
- [162:52]
Biz
What are you up to now? Like any, any plans to, to stick around the game and you know, maybe get into coaching, management. Like what are you doing as we speak?
- [163:01]
Dallas Drake
Yeah, I've, that's never been my cup of tea. I never, that never interested me once to two. I had opportunities when I retired to get back into it. I mean I've been, I, I've been offered a couple, you know, opportunities to do some scouting and stuff, but just. It's not something I want to do. I don't like traveling, I don't like doing all that kind of stuff. Being away from my family as much. My family's. Obviously everybody's out of the house now, but I got a grandkid now. I just, I like chilling out, man. I fish, I golf. I spend my time in the winters out your guys's way, so that's kind of what I like to do. So I'm not. It's too much. All our stuff's too much for me.
- [163:36]
Biz
Well, I mean, congratulations on a hell of a career and. And like to, you know, get the national championship and then. And then cap it all off with a cup. Your final year. Get the cup handed to you by Nick Lindstrom. Just an amazing, amazing career. And we appreciate you coming on and sharing all these stories and. And even talking about the other guys. You know, sometimes you get guys on like you who are awesome at describing what. What these guys are like behind the scenes. And our fans eat that up. So you're a legend, buddy, and appreciate all your time.
- [164:03]
Army
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- [164:23]
Whitney
I kind of want to go back.
- [164:24]
Army
To the cup celebration real quick. Are there any good stories you can tell us? We always hear about one guy who just went the absolute hardest. Was it you?
- [164:33]
Keith
It was probably him. It was his last year for sure.
- [164:36]
Dallas Drake
We did, we did break the Stanley cup in half. The first night we had. We broke it complet in half. So we had at the bar, I think it was Yuri Hudler had it and he was standing on top of the bar.
- [164:45]
Keith
He's a mess.
- [164:46]
Biz
He's a mutant.
- [164:47]
Dallas Drake
Yeah, he was a puddle and he slipped and way it went and it was l. It was in half. It was like. People were like, one guy had that, the other guy, the other. They ran it down to the rink and they soldered it back together, like just pieced it back together, you know. It's not the one that's sitting in the hall of fame. It's not the real one they give you anyways. But yeah, we broke it in half first night, so it didn't last very long.
- [165:08]
Keith
How was your day with the cup?
- [165:09]
Dallas Drake
It was great. The rings are awesome. They gave it to me twice. I took it back to my hometown in British Columbia for a couple days on my parents farm. Had a bunch of family and friends out there very well. And then they gave it to me again here in Traverse City. And I had a head here as well. Did another party here. So it was. Yeah, it was awesome. They were very generous to give it to me a couple times.
- [165:27]
Biz
Awesome. Great. Job, G. Stepping in for Woody boy on the rollback. Last question. So that caps it all off, man.
- [165:33]
Dallas Drake
This is.
- [165:34]
Biz
This was an unbelievable hour interview and I can't wait for our fans to hear it.
- [165:38]
Dallas Drake
Thanks, guys. Great seeing you guys. Hope it's all well. May I run into you in the fall when I get out there, guys?
- [165:42]
Biz
Hey, I'll see you down in in Cave Creek. What's the buffalo chip? Yeah, we'll get on one of the bulls. All right, get back in the saddle.
- [165:52]
Dallas Drake
Take care, guys.
- [165:53]
Biz
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- [169:16]
Biz
I guess it said, it said that. I think it said like a couple months. So he should make a full recovery and okay, you know, kind of one of those teams where the back half of the season will, will start to matter. Right. Like they're going to make playoffs for sure. They have a, another cup contending team. But you just hope, you know a guy for the guy, for the guy's health. Right. Like you just hope that he can make that full recovery, which seems to be the case. And, and like you said, his leadership is, is, is a huge part of what he brings to the table. And just an extremely well loved guy in that locker room. So shout out to Jamie Ben and him making a full recovery.
- [169:52]
Whitney
That's a guy that could get the, the exhibition.
- [169:55]
Keith
Yeah, he's a one percenter.
- [169:56]
Whitney
It's a one percenter exhibition game someday for the Dallas Stars. So the Ryder cup happened. I mean we were, we were in the mix of Chiclets Cup. I'm kind of going inside checking a little bit out. Very excited for this year's tournament. Had had really been built up being at Beth Page talking about a lot of people talking about how crazy it was going to be with the fans. Well, Europe drummed us again. I think Europe's now won 11 of the last 15 Ryder Cups. So there's Something obviously missing, like this one. The. The Americans were, I think, minus 160 when the first matches went off Friday morning. Europe like +1.75 right around then. And still I was on the golf gambling, chasing green show with Kirk Minahan. He's like, Europe's gonna dummy them. Europe's gonna crush them. Like, I don't know, Vegas, usually Vegas is somewhat accurate with this stuff. And they drummed him. I mean, it's. It's unbelievable. Like, the, the setup of the course drove me crazy. Where Beth Page is. There's a sign on the. On Beth Page black course. Like this course is extremely hard and only for high level golfers. Something like that, that that sign needs to be taken away. Because the way Keegan Bradley set it up, which he was the captain of Team usa, he immediately said after I messed up setting up, there was no rough. So if you were, if you missed the fairway, you were actually better off. Because when you're in the fairway, you have to kind of control your spin. These guys hit it so pure. You know, you hit a wedge on, if you don't, like hit it correctly, it just rips back off. Well, they were hitting it out of the rough and it was just stopping the course.
- [171:36]
Biz
The Team USA gets to dictate how long the rough is.
- [171:39]
Whitney
The captain gets to dictate the entire course. They set up the course, they wait.
- [171:44]
Biz
The way they want, then they made the green.
- [171:47]
Whitney
I don't know about the pins, but I know about, like leading in, like, what the course will play. So when they played in Paris, 2018, I think Europe dummied them. And Europe brought the fairways in tight because I think maybe at that point, or even still to this day, they hit it straighter and us is hitting it into fescue and rough. And they drummed us in Paris and then Covid hit 2020, so they had to go 2021. Whistling Straits, US ran away with it. It was a drummy. It seemed like it was one of those things where the home team just won and it's very difficult to win an away Rider Cup. Well, Europe did it. Not without drama. I mean, Sunday, it was incredible. It was. I think it was 11 and a half, four and a half, and all Europe needed was 14 points to retain the Cup. Now this is another there. There's a couple different things we can go into in this. If, if you tie the Ryder Cup, 14, 14, they don't do a playoff. That's nuts to me.
- [172:47]
Biz
Ridiculous and ridiculous.
- [172:49]
Whitney
They give it to the team who Won it the year before. So the team who lost, or two years before the team who lost needs 14 and a half or more points, and the team who won the previous Ryder cup just needs 14 to keep the Cup. If that had turned out to be a tie, there was two things. One, that there wouldn't have been a playoff. That's crazy. It's always been that way. But at this point, like, pick your top dogs and have them play the 18th hole for the Ryder Cup.
- [173:15]
Biz
The whole world is watching.
- [173:16]
Whitney
Be the most electric thing I've ever seen. Well, the other aspect of this that didn't end up mattering, which I was happy about, was Victor Hovland. Victor Hovland had played, I don't know, two or three of the four matches leading into the Sunday singles and then woke up or couldn't play. In the afternoon, Saturday, something with his neck. He had a stiff neck. So he wakes up, says, I can't play. Immediate half point given to both teams. I think that's fucking ludicrous. How the hell are you sitting there saying, I can't play, and you still get a half point? I tweeted out, if that had been the case at the barstool Ryder Cup, I would have been smashing everyone's toes with a hammer and just taking the push. Yeah, we would have been better off. So to me and the other part of it is, it's the man in the envelope. So in this situation, in this possibility, you have to put a player's name in an envelope from the other team who would then not play. So basically, you're telling the guy, you're our worst player. So crazy that you're able to get the half point with the injury. Do you agree with that?
- [174:25]
Biz
Yeah. And also, like, what's not saying that? If you just know. You don't know you need the half point. You could just pull the shoot. Right. So, like, how do you. How could you tell someone that they're not injured? It's like, oh, I. I got a conkey. Oh, no, you didn't. It's like, well, how the do you know? So that was. We. That's. That's. What's Bizarro land. And also, okay, if that guy can't play, couldn't you just have somebody else? Like, I shouldn't you have, like, a alternate?
- [174:54]
Keith
Yeah, they should have an alternate, have.
- [174:55]
Biz
One backup where he would sub in and then have to play that match.
- [174:59]
Whitney
I think they should have the captain. The captains. If there was a playoff, captains go down the 18th hole and go 100.
- [175:07]
Biz
I think that they also set up Keegan Bradley for failure in the fact that the only story leading up was like, is he gonna play? Is he gonna play? Should he make himself a player? Like that was so stupid.
- [175:18]
Whitney
Yes.
- [175:19]
Biz
Get an older guy who's out of the equation. So it. You're not having that much drama come in. Another thing about the core situation is didn't they make the green slower?
- [175:28]
Keith
No, it rained.
- [175:29]
Whitney
Well, yeah, it rained to make them soft. They weren't that fast.
- [175:33]
Biz
And then I heard that they made them slow.
- [175:34]
Whitney
Sunday. They made them faster.
- [175:37]
Biz
Okay, so they. Okay, so they. You're able to switch it up dayto day on how you want the course laid out. Clearly you can't make the grass grow faster, but as far as the greens are considered, you either probably like, don't trim them down at all then. Yeah, to make it. To make it come slower or. And. Or faster. Going to the. The. The. Probably the biggest element and. And takeaway from this tournament was the. The chaos of the chirping and how far the American crowd brought it. Now, there was a lot of rumblings before it all started that it was going to get to that point because, you know, New York crowd and kind of golf. I feel like starving for this type of drama. As somebody who is not like a. A huge golf guy, I loved it. Like, I want all the smoke. I want it like, just like you watch those 16 and pregnant Cho Yans or, or. Or Love Island. I want chaos. Do I want drinks being thrown at guys, wives? Although it later came out that the drink was like, accidentally punched.
- [176:36]
Whitney
No, no, the video, it looks like the kid on purpose whacks a drink out of somebody's hands at. At Rory.
- [176:43]
Biz
Okay.
- [176:44]
Whitney
All right.
- [176:45]
Biz
Regardless, like, that type of stuff is crossing the line. There was another video that came out where a guy like, hey, Rory, you're an F bomb. Like, Like a, you know, like a gay Slurpee. Ah, that's crossing the line. Don't need that. You could tell him he's a loser, blah, blah, blah. Yell and talking his backswing for all I care. When he pulled off that shot and said, shut the fuck up, and then stuck at the four feet.
- [177:08]
Whitney
Unreal.
- [177:09]
Biz
I'll say this right now.
- [177:11]
Keith
He should be getting yelled at.
- [177:13]
Biz
Rory McElroy, for what he's not only done for the PGA after Tiger left for not going to live and taking the absolute bag and staying loyal to the pga. And then after all that Scotty Scheffler having the same driver as him that they ended up disallowing because of how it was, like, hollow or the face of it made.
- [177:34]
Whitney
It was like, messed up.
- [177:36]
Biz
Yeah, it, it, it made it even better. Them not creating drama around Scheffler with it, but then creating drama around Rory with it and then kind of dragging him for it and, and, and making a. And everything that he's had to deal with for him to have the year that he did to got now get the four majors with locking in the Masters and then doing what he did this weekend. He's on my Mount Rushmore golf. There might be golf enthusiasts listen to this saying, you're ridiculous and you think that he's a hypocrite based on him saying that golf should have some sort of etiquette and then throwing the European flag over dechambeau. Shut the up. He put up with all your nonsense all weekend, including a drink being thrown at his girlfriend and you guys chanting about his girl to fucking drumming you in your. Your home country. So he's my guy. I love him. If I ever see him at the Grove again like we did last time, I'm gonna fucking. I'm gonna get on both my knees and kiss his feet and say, you're on my Mount Rushmore golf, buddy. Keep fucking going, head of knuckles. So, so that, that's what I got to say about that.
- [178:36]
Whitney
As far as the Ryder cup, very well said. And like, you mentioned the guy who dropped the F bomb, Adam. I mean, the fans are chanting Balionis at the woman who allegedly, like, I, I don't know. Those fans are clowns. Like, like, I, I don't. And I think he brought up in the press conference. Like, I, I, like, I don't see why you're not cheering for your, your team as opposed to just torturing us. Like, I don't think torturing, like, the European players is that bad. But when you're saying certain things, it's just like, dude, like, there's just. I, I don't mind guys getting kicked out for that. Like, if you're, if you're saying that in Rory's face. Now, I'll also say this. If I'm Rory, way easier to say as, as I'm sitting here like a scrub. Like, anything anyone said to me, I'm not like, grabbing cops and getting the people kicked out. I'm also saying they deserve to be kicked out. Like, if a cop hears, he's like, buddy, you're out. But I, I can't believe, like, you're walking down and you're, like, picking out guys and like, get them out, get them out. Like try being minus fucking three. Six games in a row for the Oilers making 4 million bucks and getting crippled and tortured at the West Edmonton mall trying to buy a pair of shoes from Aldo. Right? Like I, I, these golfers, man, they, they are some soft ass people sometimes. So they were able to deal with all of it. And it must have made the win even better. Like we just shut all you up, we drummed you guys. It ended up being pretty close. The Sunday was incredible. I turned it on. I'm like, there was of the first five matches, at one point Europe was leading four of them. I'm like, this might be 20 to four by the end of this thing, but the. Cameron Young beat Justin Rose with a birdie on 18. All of a sudden point on the board for us. That was the first match. Justin Thomas beat Tommy Fleetwood, who is an absolute machine with a birdie on 18. That's two points. DeChambeau was down five to Fitzpatrick through seven holes and got a push out of that. That's a half point. And then you start seeing all this red, all this red. And it comes down to Shane Lowry versus Russell Henley. Now at this point, it's still alive. It's like, oh my God, like, could this actually happen? Like the momentum was swinging and changing and changing. Lowry hitting that putt was the most nails thing. Like the guys won the British Open in Ireland, where he's from. Or it was at, it was at Port Ross, Northern Ireland. And he said after, like that, like he was very emotional, which obviously is like, that's the coolest thing that'll ever happen to me. Like I, he said that on the walk up to the green. He said to his cat, he's like, I have a chance to do the thing that I dreamed of doing my entire life. Like that gave me the chills. It gave me the chills right now saying it. And Henley left his short. I couldn't believe it. Henley left a putt to beat him on 17 short. And on 18 short. He was incredible all day. Henley played unreal. I think the stats that they came out with it said he would have beaten any other player on Europe, but Lowry was just as good. And he steps up and buries that pot. I'm like, talk about fucking ice in your veins, man. Like that crowd. And he had been getting tortured with Rory like the day before. I think they played together in four ball both days. It was, it turned out to be an incredible Sunday. And going in, it looked like it was going to be absolutely nothing but the kicking out of fans. I remember a long time ago, I was all over Justin Thomas on this show, who we then had on the show. I really like that guy. Remember, he kicked out the fan when he said, get in the bunker at his ball. It's like, yeah, these golfers.
- [182:18]
Biz
Yeah, I agree with you on that. Like, if I'm Rory, I'm pulling my. My hairy bubble gum out of my pants and saying, chew on this. If I'm that good at golf, like, I am. I'm. And I'm doing exactly what he did on the one green. He pulled out the. You. You. You're cool. You. I'm out.
- [182:35]
Whitney
Lowry made a putt on Saturday and literally just turned to the crowd going, yeah, I love.
- [182:42]
Biz
So that's where people will. About Rory, about, like, you know, golf's supposed to be held to this higher standard and the etiquette. And then it's like, well, you can't say that. And then meanwhile, you're given the double bird on the greens. But I think that we can all agree on where the crowd brought it, that that response is fair. And nobody's going to complain to Rory about doing that. They think the comments are hypocritical. I. I would say this to all of them. If you want this. Fuck. If you want the PGA and golf to go to the next level. And by the way, I think that this year has shown that live will be done in the next two to three years. And if. If they can find a sweet spot, maybe not to what it was, but a little bit more tamed. The PGA can fucking double in size over the next, like, five to 10 years. Like, it can go on an absolute heater with the amount of awesome players that are coming up. But making it more like, oh, like. Like the golf claps. Nah, let's get these people up and throwing beers at the players and. And. And get it. Get popping.
- [183:52]
Whitney
The up and then stuffing it. That's like a true.
- [183:59]
Keith
That's how you drop your nuts on the table. That's how you do it. Like, instead of getting them kicked out, you know, you can throw a dart at any point. Like, just throw a dart and turn you, buddy.
- [184:08]
Whitney
And I want to make it clear. Like, if you're going to a golf tournament and yelling, like, gay slurs at guys, like, that's. You got some issues.
- [184:18]
Biz
You got some therapy you need.
- [184:19]
Whitney
Like, yeah, better help. You know, you can cheer when they miss pots. You can chirp them. Like, earlier in the week, Rory was, like, buttoning his shirt. And some guy was like, hey, you don't need that top button to choke. Like, something, you know, like, that's funny stuff. That's funny. And, like, not like, hey, your wife's a whore. It's like, whoa, bro. Like, it's 75 degrees that we're watching the Ryder Cup. Like, you okay?
- [184:44]
Keith
They also said, like, the guy. The. The guys on us, like, the way they handled it. And I will say the way that they fought on Sunday was incredible. Like, going out there, giving themselves a chance, making it interesting, was amazing to watch. But they also said it too. It's like, we didn't give our fans much to cheer about, so they had to find it somewhere else where it's like. But it's also like, just boo the out of them. Or like Biz said, yell in their backswing. Can you do that? I mean, you're gonna get thrown booted.
- [185:10]
Whitney
If you're yelling in a backswing.
- [185:12]
Biz
But if it's the whole crowd, they're not going to kick everyone out. The. Another takeaway. And this is kind of stating the obvious. I don't think there's many, if any, country, slash, what would you. Is Britain. Is it more of a nation?
- [185:30]
Whitney
You can't call it a country that. Oh, I don't know. I feel like.
- [185:34]
Biz
Because that's like. That's. That's like Northern Wales, like, under Great Britain, Wales, Ireland. Not Ireland, Northern Ireland or Northern Ireland, Scotland, all that. They got the best chance going. You can't beat them. No, the way that they're chanting at soccer games and the way they get creative. Did you see the video of that woman in your head?
- [186:01]
Whitney
Did you see the video of the woman, like, trying to get the crowd going at, like, 6:30 in the morning?
- [186:05]
Biz
Oh, that was the most pathetic. That was when I was over.
- [186:08]
Whitney
Okay.
- [186:12]
Keith
I would have went home.
- [186:13]
Whitney
No. This gives me the chills. It's like when you watch something.
- [186:16]
Dallas Drake
Here we go.
- [186:17]
Biz
One, two, clap.
- [186:20]
Whitney
Oh, God. No wonder we lost, buddy.
- [186:26]
Keith
You're a boy.
- [186:28]
Army
Here come the lyrics.
- [186:32]
Whitney
Oh, lady boom. No wonder we lost. Look at this. Oh, God. Doesn't work.
- [186:45]
Biz
We'll do a D1.
- [186:47]
Whitney
All right. We want the whole crowd.
- [186:50]
Dallas Drake
Oh.
- [186:50]
Keith
Imagine this being your job.
- [186:53]
Whitney
On the bleachers. Right? Ready? Look at this guy in the black cat. He's like, dude, this is so cringe, I want to puke.
- [187:02]
Keith
Oh, it's like I snuck out of my house for this.
- [187:05]
Army
Sc.
- [187:07]
Dallas Drake
Sc.
- [187:09]
Whitney
Oh, that is the.
- [187:13]
Keith
I would have quit on this.
- [187:14]
Whitney
I'd rather watch a freaking highlight film of all my bloopers in pro hockey put together on repeat for a day straight than. Watch that. I'm telling you, that is disgusting. She ended up chanting, you, Rory. And then, like, had to, like, quit. Like, she got like, no, shit, I'm done. I. I probably shouldn't have chanted you, Rory.
- [187:34]
Biz
Now, she did that. After ones are cut out, there's a video.
- [187:38]
Whitney
There's another video where you can't get. It's somebody walking up to, like, the scene on one tee, and you just hear her being like, fuck you, Rory. I'm like, holy shit, this is going bad for the Americans. Just. But Keith said they fought hard. Crazy Ryder Cup. I don't know. Like, I don't know what the US Does. They tried. Yeah, Biz. He said, they tried picking a captain who's, like, in the prime of his career. They should.
- [188:04]
Biz
They should allow them to add Canadians.
- [188:07]
Whitney
Oh, my God, you guys, we're on the range at the Sandbagger. And Biz, just a classic biz question. He's like, can Canadians play for Europe on the Ryder Cup?
- [188:19]
Army
I said, what?
- [188:21]
Whitney
What? I said, say that again. He said, canadians play on team Europe in the Ryder Cup. I just looked at the camera. I said, this is what we're working with here, folks. Folks. Yeah, Canada is not in Europe. Now, fairness. You thought it was the. Were you thinking of the President's Cup?
- [188:40]
Dallas Drake
Dunno.
- [188:41]
Keith
There's no. There's no.
- [188:42]
Biz
I was definitely thinking of a tournament that is, like, where there's nations against each other, where Canada is involved. I know that Mike Weir, at a certain point represented.
- [188:51]
Whitney
Yeah.
- [188:51]
Keith
World Juniors.
- [188:53]
Biz
No, it was where they linked up with Europeans. And there's. There's a link between Great Britain and.
- [189:03]
Keith
In England, everyone.
- [189:04]
Biz
And Canada, like, they're like, same with the U.S. the Commonwealth, I believe, is the word I'm looking for. They're part of the Commonwealth. That might have been the smartest thing I've ever said.
- [189:13]
Whitney
Okay, Fair. We got some exciting news for everyone.
- [189:17]
Biz
Yes, we do. This is big.
- [189:19]
Whitney
This is big. We are going back this year to two pods a week. Yes, you heard it here first. We have a Monday live show every week. And we have a Friday pod that's going to be recorded on Thursday. Monday live show. We're checking in. We're talking about the weekend. We'll have some people come on live. I really like doing the live shows, Biz. You really like doing them. Keith, you loved it in the playoffs. I think it's a great idea to get that going. And on Friday, we'll probably drop a longer interview with a catch up from the weekend, a preview of the weekend. So I think some people, you know, really enjoyed what we've done with the one part a week. Some people kind of wanted two because things what sucked was things would happen, you know, Monday night after we recorded pod drops Tuesday and then by the time we're coming back to you the next Tuesday, it's such old news that this is good. So and, and don't forget you got, you got game notes Wednesday so you got three days a week of Chiclets coming at you. And I'm very excited. I hope, I hope everyone listening is excited as well. So what else was I going to say about this?
- [190:28]
Biz
Oh well, if I could hop in.
- [190:30]
Whitney
Go ahead.
- [190:31]
Biz
So we mentioned Monday. It like mostly will be live, right? So sometimes based on travel and other things going on, it won't always be brought to you live. The ones that we pre record on Sunday to drop Monday would be done so at 6am let's say so all you commuters who travel early or, or mailman or whatever it is, you're going to be able to get it earlier. Now if we are doing the live version on Monday, we're going to be doing so live on the YouTube channel at 2pm 2pm the reason 2pm is because Barstool has a lot going on with, with Fox, right. So we don't want to be dropping live things at the same time and then they take in viewership away from one another. Therefore those Monday pods that are live, which will probably be about 60 to 60 to 80% of the time will be, will be starting at 2pm Eastern time. The, the pre recorded ones that we're doing Thursday and dropping on Friday, those will be coming out in the morning as they normally do and they'll have more of a nostalgic feel as, as wit kind of mentioned. Like that's when you're going to get the Dallas Drake style interviews where you're getting an hour, hour and four, 15 minutes more of these like old school vets who have great stories to tell. That Monday live show we're going to try to do it more where you know, we get the Bob stoppers popping in. If we got some big Oilers news, maybe the thumb, Gary Lawless. Gary, Gary. You know, people who work with teams, maybe more current players where they don't have a ton to say like they don't have a, all these crazy stories to drop. But you know what's going on with, with Seth Jarvis, you know, he's in the new Amazon show. We've already talked to him about his career coming up. Let's pop in and talk to him about what the Carolina Hurricane's got going on. So we're gonna have a lot like two different pods with two different kind of views coming at you, along with game notes on Wednesdays. So coming at you three different times a week, along with all the YouTube comment content, whether it's Chiclets, you sandbaggers, we really feel that we're, you know, expanding our channel and you know that those pods won't be three hours as they normally are. They'll probably be about two hours each. So it's, it's awesome. I, I'm super fired up and we're going to come at you in waves and, and I think that the fans are going to be excited to, to see what we got coming your way.
- [192:52]
Whitney
So that will be starting this next week. Now, the first two are going to have to be recorded on Sunday, so we won't be live till October 20th. But still starting next Monday morning, 6am you'll have a Chiclets pod. You'll have game notes on Wednesday and you will have us on Friday morning after we record that one Thursday. So we cannot thank you guys enough. Just trying something new. Who knows if the next year, if it sticks or if it goes back to one. We're not exactly sure. We're, we're just seeing how it goes, going with the flow, doing the bull dance. And I want to thank everyone for always listening. I want to thank everyone who went to the Chiclets cup, who played in the Chiclets Cup. Some great people. We've now gotten to know so many faces over the course of six of these. At some point, Biz will win one. So, yeah, that's, that's the news for this season. Can't wait to get going. We're going to have some. I think we are. You guys are listening. Tuesday, September 30th, I believe it's eight days. We're eight days away. Eight days away from NHL action. The season's coming at you. So many different storylines and I can't wait to catch up.
- [193:59]
Biz
I'm hitting the road. I'm hitting the road, boys. That's it. Yes. I'm.
- [194:05]
Keith
Well, you guys go back.
- [194:06]
Biz
I'm leaving tonight to go over. I'm taking the 9 o' clock ferry, going over to Vancouver and then filming a few things with Posh in the morning and then I'm getting on my way and then I will be Starting the season on the road in Las Vegas. We're going there on the seventh big team dinner with all the game crew and all the people. We don't see a lot because we're in studio all season long and we don't see him really to the Winter Classic. And then we're going to be kicking things off with Boston and Washington. So the the shitbag Bruins and where they're at these days. No offense to G and his in his squad. And then against the Capitals where it might be ovies last year, who knows. At least according to the guy selling season tickets that sent out that fucking email. And then obviously Mitchie Marner's debut with the Golden Knights against the LA Kings. So that should be an awesome west coast game. And that'll be on October 8th. Wednesday. And another thing with TNT this year we're coming at you Tuesdays and Wednesdays. There's a lot of Tuesday's dates. We're going back to backs. So I think there's about 11 broadcasts where there'll be a Tuesday and Wednesday show. So excited for all that and yeah, wish me luck on my drive.
- [195:17]
Whitney
So this Friday isn't the McKenna game at Arizona State.
- [195:21]
Biz
It's the yes it is.
- [195:22]
Army
Wow.
- [195:23]
Whitney
I'm waiting to get to first view of him in in live and in person. Right.
- [195:29]
Biz
If I don't get there by a time on Friday early enough to go to the game, I will definitely check out his second one on the Saturday.
- [195:37]
Whitney
Awesome. And last thing from G here. So in October we're going to be dropping the Chiclets cup video recap video. We're going to be dropping a sandbagger and a chicklets you. So that's three pieces of content for the YouTube channel. We love you all. We can't wait. You'll be seeing more of us and we will see you Monday morning next week. Boom.