Spittin’ Chiclets Episode 588: Featuring Macklin Celebrini, Will Smith, Bob Stauffer & Liam Blutman

Summary

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Spittin’ Chiclets Episode 588 Summary

Date: October 17, 2025
Hosts: Ryan Whitney, Paul Bissonnette (“Biz”), Rear Admiral, Producer Mike Grinnell
Special Guests: Macklin Celebrini, Will Smith, Bob Stauffer, Liam Blutman
Main Theme: Early 2025-26 NHL season storylines, team and player analysis (notably Detroit, Montreal, Chicago, Edmonton, Vegas, and San Jose), plus deep-dive guest interviews and irreverent, inside-the-room hockey banter.

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Episode Overview

This marathon episode drops deep into the start of the NHL season, dissecting surprising storylines, bickering over hot teams and new contracts, and forecasting everything from playoff hopes to World Cup of Hockey selection drama. With multiple guests—from top prospects to team insiders to diehard fans—the crew mixes irreverent jokes with sharp hockey analysis, including heated debates on Detroit’s rise, Montreal’s big moves, the evolution of Connor Bedard, Edmonton’s goaltending hopes, and much more.

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Key Segments & Takeaways

1. Season Kickoff & Detroit Red Wings Drama

Timestamps: 02:19–13:37

• Detroit's resurgence: Detroit’s surprise dominance sparks a passionate debate.
• Biz’s Detroit beef: Biz grapples with relentless Wings fans who (rightly) demand credit:

  “I got these Red Wings fans saying all you do is talk about the Panthers. I’m like, we literally opened the show with all Red Wings.” (06:40, Biz)

• Praise for coach Todd McLellan’s no-patience approach and Lucas Raymond’s return from injury.
• Cultural shift:

  “These are different Wings fans. They’ve had enough of nine straight years with no playoffs.” (08:26, Whitney)

2. Brad Marchand Interview Recap & Player Longevity

Timestamps: 10:50–13:37

• Memorable Marchand banter:

  “If your ears were as big as your nose, you might have heard what I said.” (11:02, Marchand/Biz)

• Speculation on Marchand’s media future and Hall of Fame career.
• Discussion of oldest NHL forwards, from Jagr to Howe.

3. Montreal Canadiens: Contract Masterclass & Youth Movement

Timestamps: 20:13–26:44

• Lane Hudson’s 8-year, sub-$9M AAV deal stuns the panel, praised as a win-win:

  “It’s an absolute no-brainer. You’re the hometown hero now … such positive vibes in Montreal.” (22:05, Biz)

• Canadiens’ smart asset management and growing prospect pool highlighted.
• Lane Hudson’s future with Team USA also discussed.

4. Blackhawks & Bedard’s Breakout

Timestamps: 32:00–41:13

• Deep-dive on Connor Bedard’s sophomore leap:

  “If Connor Bedard looks like a different player ... in 5 games, he’s 8th in puck battle wins (was 189th all last year), 13th in stick checks (190th last year).” (36:06, Biz quoting Mike Kelly)

• Emphasis on his physical/emotional maturity—“He’s playing his ass off. Culture is changing.” (Entire segment)
• Forecast: Blackhawks still fringe playoff hopefuls but much more competitive.

5. Rangers' Artemi Panarin Contract Controversy

Timestamps: 41:13–46:50

• Panarin’s unwillingness (so far) to take a “home discount” like Kopitar stirs debate:

  “If he’s your number-one superstar, I don’t think that’s what you need to win a cup.” (43:32, Panel)

• Stalemate could lead to big midseason trade if New York doesn’t pull out of their scoring slump.

6. Bob Stauffer: The State of the Oilers and Alberta Hockey

Timestamps: 55:23–84:52

• Bob Stauffer checks in from the Oilers—the consummate insider calms fan fears on Stuart Skinner and lauds Edmonton’s blue line:

  “You have a GM who believed in you to trade a first for you … this guy can be pretty good, play 21-22 minutes a night.” (63:04, Stauffer on Jake Walman)

• Alberta angle: Flames face “hard decisions” and might have to blow it up.

7. Vegas Golden Knights Banter (with Mer & Blutman)

Timestamps: 92:36–110:29

• Vegas fan Blutman brings insidery perspective:

  “It hurt winning a cup and knowing Fleury, who was the backbone, didn’t get to cherish it. But this is a business. Every fan wishes their team operated like Vegas: cutthroat.” (98:21, Blutman)

• Knights’ strengths/depth, but worries about slow starts, blue line injuries, and goalie competition.
• Stats nugget: “They’ve given up the first goal in 14 consecutive games.” (103:53, Blutman)

8. Western Conference Snapshots: Kings, Ducks, Kraken, Canucks

Timestamps: 112:27–139:39

• LA Kings: Deemed “fraud squad” again by Merle, though Biz defends their competitive window.
• Anaheim Ducks: Panel bullish on their watchability and upside, especially Leo Carlson, Kreider, Gauthier.
• Seattle Kraken: Uninspiring, vanilla, stuck in the “mushy middle.” Likely to sell off at deadline.
• Vancouver Canucks: Concerns about Pedersen’s start and team scoring; Demko is their season’s lifeline.

9. San Jose Sharks Young Guns: Macklin Celebrini & Will Smith Interview

Timestamps: 164:59–199:35

• Both players living with Sharks legends (Marleau, Thornton), benefiting from Hall-of-Fame mentorship.
• Revealed: Multi-team NHL fantasy football league (Sharks, Rangers, Edmonton, LA, Vegas, etc.)—Sharks currently lead.
• Locker room pranks story: hotel room toilet-revenge saga (191:24).
• Dumb & Dumber Halloween costumes, golf ambitions, and stories of pranks gone wrong (e.g., the infamous Tory Mitchell “cult” prank).
• High praise for Mario Ferraro’s leadership/camaraderie.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On dealing with Detroit’s rabid fans:
  “It’s not a zit. It’s blood pressure from these goddamn Red Wings fans.” (05:40, Biz)

• Marchand v. Biz
  “I feel like I had him on the ropes … then he hit me with the uppercut in the 12th round and I was KO’d … That was just classic Brad Marchand.” (11:02–11:07, Biz)

• On Montreal's contract wizardry:
  “That’s 8 years, 70.8 [million] … what, 200 grand less than $9 million!” (24:30, Panel)

• On Bedard’s growth:
  “He looked like a completely different player … body language, not being engaged … Just from simply watching him play.” (34:23–36:06, Biz)

• On Panarin’s value:
  “He’s a piece, not the piece. He’s not the McKinnon. He’s not the Crosby.” (43:09, Biz)

• Bob Stauffer on Edmonton’s D:
  “The Athletic referred to the Oilers’ top four as the best in the NHL … offense will get driven from the back end.” (61:12–62:01, Stauffer)

• Vegas, summarized by Blutman:
  “Every single fan wishes their team approached things like Vegas’ front office: win every year, no hard feelings.” (98:21)

• Sharks rookie hijinx:
  “We kept getting to hotels, and there’d be like, poops in our toilet.” (190:44, Celebrini)

  “Do you want to know your room number?” (192:02, Celebrini, on hotel pranks)

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Additional Inside Hockey Talk

• Goalie controversies abound: Ongoing debates in Edmonton, Vegas, and Ottawa around which tenders can actually “win you a Cup.”
• NHL youth wave: Anaheim and Montreal lauded for prospect pools and the fearlessness to play (and lock up) young talent.
• Analytic skepticism: Panel references “under the hood” numbers as nice but relies on eye test (especially Biz’s takes).
• Off-the-cuff: Recurring bits about Biz’s “eyeball zit,” fantasy football, classic pranks, Chiclets U college hockey segments, and sandbagger golf matches.

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Conclusion

This episode is packed with inside jokes, deep hockey detail, and real talk with top prospects—larded with classic Chiclets irreverence. The show flows from hard-hitting NHL storylines (Red Wings, Blackhawks, Habs, Rangers, Oilers, Knights) to playful asides and wild anecdotes, capped by a rare candid look inside a rebuilding NHL locker room with two of its most-hyped rookies.

Whether you’re a casual fan or a hardcore puckhead, this episode delivers the Chiclets blend of expert insight and wild locker-room fun.

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What is up folks? Welcome Back to episode 588 of the Spitting Chicklets podcast, presented by you guys. Heard it here many times. Pink Whitney, New Amsterdam Zone. Pink Whitney. And we're headed down. We're going to discuss this. We're headed down to Greensboro for the inaugural game for the Greensboro Gargoyles. And that is what's going to be flowing. Big hits, maybe a couple fights, a lot of big goals. And Pink Whitney down the gullet. The big old bottles, the shots.

[D]

We're going to bounties.

[A]

Yeah, we're not doing bounties. That's biz. We do not stand with biz on that, even though we are all owners. But we do stand with Pink Whitney and we do stand with the Greensboro Gargoyles. Guys, the NHL full swing here. A lot of tough news, some good news depending on the fan base. You're either loving life, you're hating life. Biz. What's on your mind, buddy? How you doing? Actually, first, let's go to Greensboro. How excited are you?

[D]

Oh, I'm so fired up. Well, not only to see you boys, obviously we're going to be filming a sandbagger there. We're going to keep that a little bit top secret as far as who is our guest, but you said it. I mean we're full swing in the NHL season. Some great storylines. Really feel like there's been, there's been a real good competitive nature to the start of this season. Like a lot of, a lot of rivalries, a lot of fighting, a lot of big hits. Unfortunately, too many injuries out of the gate. Seen some big names drop and especially for, for long term, some surgeries included in that. So I don't, I don't like to see that. But I just want to make sure everybody knows that I'm going to be battling through this pod. I have an eyeball zit, wrong eye. I'm playing through something right now, but I'm gonna battle. That's what we do. I, I, Somebody was saying that it's called like a, like a chesion or.

[A]

Something or thought it was a sty or a sty.

[D]

That's another name for it. But there's like another like chizion or something like somebody.

[A]

Is it pink guy? Maybe did it go fart on your eyeball?

[D]

Maybe eating a little too much.

[E]

Harsh. He was in Toronto last week. Witty.

[D]

I was in Toronto. Maybe eating too much Arsenal and it all. You know what it could be though? It could be Buoy fucking sneaking in my hotel room, wiping his ass with my pillow. It also could be Detroit Red Wings fans doing it too.

[A]

Well, I wanted to bring that up because like they're all incredible to have you on and like just guaranteeing a win at the Yacht club and just to get drummed there by the wings and you know, maybe not drummed, maybe not drummed because you outshot him. Bizarre. Under the hood, Pasha style. You won the game.

[D]

Nah, not under the hood. We dominated the whole game. Cal. Cam Talbot was unbelievable. He was outshot him 42 to 15. And they, they lost Lucas Raymond. So they were on the ropes the entire time. But shout out to them for a gutsy effort. Back to back wins against the Maple Leafs and then they beat the defending champs on TNT last night. So I tell you what, that, that Mason Appleton, what a pickup. Three goals the last two games. Starts out the year on the fourth line. Gets bumped up to the top line. So hey man, credit to Todd McClellan for calling the boys out after game one. And, and right now that, that core group, not the young core group, they're playing unreal. All the young bucks under, under the age of 22, but the Dylan Larkins, the Patrick Kane's. Oh my God. Boy, Showtime. Looks like Showtime really does. So. Hey, gotta credit them. Their fans though. Just unbearable online. Unbearable.

[A]

But, but, but I mean unbearable in a sense of what? Like they're, they're. They want to hear the team discussed.

[E]

And they own him.

[D]

Listen, listen, listen.

[A]

They bet me Tilt on Twitter last night. I was loving it.

[D]

I was not on Tilt, ok? We're not fucking starting out like this again. I think you're fucking punching.

[E]

He's gonna have double pink eye.

[D]

Dude, I'm. Hey, it's not even a zit. It's fucking blood pressure from these goddamn Red Wings fans, okay? The social team bent me over because they put my what I said on the podcast up on a clip of them traveling Toronto, getting the W and then getting the fuck out of town. All credit to them on the victory. Now we got them in the TNT pregame. The whole first segment, all we talk about is wings. We literally didn't mention the Florida Panthers one time. I got fucking all the Red Wings fans. You're talking too much about the Panthers. The pants Panthers. We didn't literally mention them. In the first entire opening block we talked about McClellan, we talked about Kane, how good he's been. The core group. Talked about the next core group. Wave of players coming up, the Caspers, the whole crew. And then finally in the second block, we started talking about the Panthers. Mentioned how big their core group is of like 12, 13 guys. And that's which led us into the Marshall interview. Well, of course we're going to fucking talk about them in the second block that leads into the most electric guy in hockey as far as entertainment. Can we agree on that? Why wouldn't we have Brad Marchaw for an interview in the second segment of a.

[A]

And by the way, when did he do that interview? After warmups or during warmups?

[D]

At the right, at the end, he goes to the bench, he puts the headset on. So that's why Zamboni's cruising by. We do it. That's why we do it in the second block. And so I got these Red Wings fans saying, all you do is talk about the Panthers. I'm like, all we do is talk about the Panthers. I'm like, we literally opened up the show with all Red Wings. The whole first segment the first seven, eight minutes of the show was literally all Red Wings. And then we sent it to commercial. So I'm arguing with this guy and I'm. And then I'm like buddy of in the second block, of course we're going to talk about the fucking Panthers. They won back to back championships. Try it sometimes. And, and then, and then find a guy as electric as Brad Marchant. And then I got them chiming in. We. Oh yeah, you don't know Pac. We did win back to back. You won it fucking back to back three decades ago. This isn't a documentary. This is a fucking national TV broadcast about current events.

[A]

So as, as a. Can I. Can I as a kid who. You know, first ever Jersey, Steve Iserman. Like who.

[D]

By the way, we got on during the first intermission.

[A]

Electric.

[D]

More fucking Red Wings. And then I had the fucking mascara on my eyes in the post game. Fucking doing the fucking double wrister.

[A]

I know you did. Which I respected. But in speaking for. I'm going to put this in terms you can understand the Red Wings fans. You know how last night you mentioned that and we'll get into this. This is a different Conor Bedard.

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This is.

[D]

Yes, it is.

[A]

It's a different Conor Bedard's sticking up for himself. Just a different vibe. His game is electric right now. These Wings fans. These are different Wings fans. They've had enough and they've had enough of nine straight years with no playoffs. And they're not going to sit by and let Paul Bissonnette talk about the Florida Panthers nonstop after they drummed The Florida Panthers 41 with two empty neck goals. So I believe that it's almost a new. A new Detroit Red Wing fan base standing up for themselves. Looking to get into the battle for the playoffs this spring.

[D]

Buddy, I will be the guy. What's the, what's the high school movie when they get the fucking paddles off the ass fat?

[A]

Is that phased and confused on high maybe?

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No confused, buddy.

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I'll.

[D]

I'll take a full lineup of Red Wings fans after getting beat back to back by them and then them beating Florida. No, no worries on that. I just need them to be reasonable. Don't tell me I didn't talk about the Red Wings. When we opened up and did the full first segment. We fucking, we talked about the goddamn ISER plan. I was fucking complimenting Stevie Y on his skincare routine and his. And his unbelievable fucking tan.

[A]

He looks great.

[D]

He looks unbelievable. He doesn't look like he's got a stress in the World, he knows he's secure for the next five, six years even if they don't make playoffs. But I agree with you. This is a fan base that's fed up. They've gone nine straight years with missing the postseason. They're not missing it again. And if I got a redo, which I don't, I'm not. And if I do have a redo, I ain't using it on Detroit Red Wings. They might sneak into playoffs. They are all fed up with missing it. There was a lot of tension at the end of the season. Dylan Larkin saying, I wish we got more help at the deadline. Stevie Wise saying, fucking yeah, you don't need fucking help. You fucking figure on your own with this. The group of guys I drafted and are now coming up 22 years and younger. They got a great young group, man. They do. And they're playing their dicks off and they're not making a lot of mistakes. And, and, and after being challenged by their head coach after one game, full marks to the entire lineup. Especially after losing probably their most dynamic offensive player in Lucas Raymond in Toronto, halfway through that game they gutted out that win and then they beat the cup champs the following game. So rattled off three in a row. Let's see how things go. But before we dive too much into hockey, now that I got that off my chest, actually we should probably talk about the Marshaw interview quickly.

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Like this guy, that was a very good line, biz. Very good line.

[D]

What do you mean?

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I believe it was. If your, your ears were as big as your nose, you might have heard what I said. Like that was going right out.

[D]

That was pretty good. I, I feel like I had him on the ropes.

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You did a little bit.

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And then he hit me with the uppercut in the 12th round and then I was KO'd with the two rings stuck in his ears. That was just fucking classic. That was classic Brad Marshaw. He, he, he, you know what he does? He comes with a gun to a knife fight every time he's coming. He'll, he's the guy in the bottom of the pile that he'll squeeze your nuts if the ref's not looking. He'll do whatever it takes to win. He doesn't give a shit. In classic Brad Marchand fashion.

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Now.

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Nice to hear that he's actually going to finish that six year deal and he's not cap circumcising the league and that he's willing to join the panel when he's done playing. He kind of alluded to the fact that he's going to jump right into media. He's. He's pretty much saying, I'm fucking stealing your spot at the desk. He's going to bury me for the next six years while we're doing these interviews, and then he's going to steal my spot at the desk.

[A]

Well, yeah, in him saying, I'm going to continue playing so I don't have to sit next to you, it makes it seem like he wants to maybe be your teammate. But I think after a couple of months, you could be gone. When they're like, all right, we have our new electric funny guy, like, yeah, go take care of the whitehead on your eyeball type situation.

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That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. So, hey, I got six years left to do my thing at tnt and then I'm going to hand over the crown.

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As. Laughing I forgot the deal is six years. It's like, it makes no sense. But you know what? If anyone could do it, it could be that guy.

[D]

Truly, what's. Other than Gordie Howe. I'd be curious to know the.

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The.

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The oldest forward to play in the National Hockey League. Because, listen, playing defense is a little bit different. Like, you had the Chelios, the. Oh, yeah, yeah. How old was Yoggs when he played his last game?

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43, 44.

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Let me look this. I mean, he's still over there in chess.

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45 and then 43 as well. Wow.

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So two.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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Sick Trade. Winnipeg.

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Yeah.

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I don't know if those knees are going to hold up. Fucking guy played till he was collecting.

[E]

Social Security, going back to Todd McClellan and calling out the team first game like, I think only a veteran coach can do that. If a young coach, like, no offense to Lalonde who was there before. If he came in game one after a shitty game and lost his mind to the media, the guys might have been like, eh. But when a guy like Todd McClellan, who's been around forever, does it, it probably hits home a little different, right?

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Yeah.

[A]

And he, I mean, he witnessed it, right? He saw all this. And it's just one of those things where he's like, I'm not fucking waiting. I'm not waiting. Right. Like, I think there's a couple different teams in the league that doesn't have much of a Runway. Buffalo being one. Ottawa, they got in. But now it's like, and we'll get into poor Ottawa and the centers fans with the Brady Tkachuk news. But there's certain Teams that cannot slowly figure out their season. Right. There's other teams that have the ability to, hey, we're going to figure this out. No need to panic. There's other teams that, that will panic early, at least their fan base as well. So it made sense. I mean, I'm just happy Raymond, Raymond was on the ice for pregame skate for the Florida.

[D]

Day to day.

[A]

He's.

[D]

Day to day. Yeah, he's going to be all right. It looked like just like a little like shoulder aggravation he was giving her one of these ones going off the ice. But I actually think it was a blessing in disguise for them to open up the season like that. And, and another thing too is like, I completely understand where Tom McClellan's coming from. Cause you know that you have a three, four week training camp and you're reinforcing how important this year is. And like we're not just going to be one of those teams that's on the cusp and miss out again. And you know, we gotta, we, we gotta give that extra fucking mile night in, night out. We don't have the luxury to just ease into the season. And next thing you know, we're, we're in a playoff race with four or five other teams fighting for a wildcard and for them to give up those six, seven, whatever, eight odd man rushes in the second half of that first period. You only get so many bullets as a coach to pull out throughout the course of a year, right? And if you start using them fucking every two, three weeks, next thing you know, it'll be falling on deaf ears and you're going to lose the room. So I thought he pulled it out at the right time. Just like how, you know, you watch the St. Louis game last night again, Chicago, like that's a. Now you get the time to reinforce to your team like St. Louis. Like, boys, we're in the Central Division, like we can't ease into this one. We need every fucking point, especially against teams like Chicago. So that's when you can really drill at home that, you know, this isn't last year. You know, they put last year behind us. It doesn't get any easier now. It only gets harder and the expectations are even higher. So it was, I kind of get like, you almost want to ask Stevie a little bit more like you're, you, are you, are you nervous about how the ISER plans going? You want to kill her?

[A]

He could turn you to ice with a look.

[D]

But he comes on there and he's so stoic and yeah, he looks like he would murder sleep.

[A]

I would be, buddy.

[D]

My fucking arsehole was about this fucking tight. That's why I'm like, oh, I'm going to compliment his skin. And. And then. And then he mentioned the Russian players that had came over when asked about the Swedish guys and how they continue to draft a lot of Swedish guys. And I brought up Sergei Fedorov getting his jersey retired. So I'd forgotten about. He said he's the best athlete he's ever seen, the best skater he's ever seen. And obviously marveled at the Russian five when he was on the bench watching him play and just remembers the game. I didn't. I forgot about the fact that they played against Washington in playoffs one year and he scored five. All five of the team's goals to eliminate the Washington Capitals and playoffs.

[A]

Well, they would have played in the cup finals. And they did play in the cup finals. They swept them for their 98 championship after winning in 97. And I don't remember Fedorov getting five goals in a cup final game.

[D]

Are you sure it was the cup final or it was just like a playoff series? He said that they were in the.

[E]

West back then, though, so it would have had to be the finals.

[A]

Maybe one point. Maybe earlier though in the early 90s when Fedorov was there, the divisions and the conferences were different. G, maybe get on that for a second. All right, Biz, last thing I want to mention is very funny that, that you gave it to Kane or Kaner gave it to you. Like, just wait for to ask how I'm feeling. I didn't know you'd ask Kaner, how you feeling? Like three or four times last year. That cracked me up.

[D]

First of all, it might. It might have been twice. And originally it was when he first came back and then after that had been months and months and saying, hey, are you. Because you've seen guys come back from the hip resurfacing where Kessler was. You know, he couldn't do it, right. It was bugging him all the time. Backstrom, another example of where he just couldn't get back to his. His top end talent where man all of a sudden like boys. Patrick Kane. I'm saying this right now. I will challenge Billy Garon to a wrestling match at XL Energy Center. No, he doesn't have the option. I'm just going to go there and I'm going to fucking tackle him. If Patrick Kane continues to play the way that he's playing and he's not at least an alternate for the U.S. olympic team, you might be saying. Why do you care who they pick for the US Olympia? I want to see Showtime in the Olympics. Showtime wants to see Showtime in the Olympics. And you wouldn't be a true fucking American either you, if you didn't want Showtime in the fucking Olympics. Am I wrong? The way he's playing that he deserves at least.

[E]

I want an alternate.

[C]

Oshi.

[E]

I want Oshi on the team. So of course I want Patrick Kane on the team. And in the way you said it to him last night, like, hopefully I see you in, in Milan or wherever.

[D]

Like I said, I'll see you in Milan.

[E]

Yeah, the way that he, he was like, thank you, Biz. I appreciate that. Like, he wants it. He really wants it.

[A]

Some people may say this is like the Trojan horse. Like, why, like, don't pick our team. Don't pick our team.

[E]

Yeah, don't pick our team.

[D]

I don't give a fuck. I just told you that. I'll fucking shove one of those wooden dildos that Geppetto's making out there in Minnesota. You hear me?

[A]

You hear me? You wrestle Billy G. Me and Keith are allowed to take some of his woodwork and smash you over the head of with it.

[D]

Doesn'T matter. You know why? Cuz only one guy is going to look like an when he's wrestling me on the concourse at XL Energy center and it's Billy Garon because everybody already knows I'm an. So I'm going to drag him down to my level if he doesn't pick Patty Kane. Hey, and keep in mind, that's if he continues to play the way that he's been playing the first four games. So anyway, I'll. I'll shut up about that. We'll get into the Bedard and Chicago conversation later because we have staff coming on pretty soon.

[A]

We have staff coming on soon. We got to get to next Monday, Amazon. And we've talked about our, our love for Amazon, our partnership with Amazon. And Amazon's got a big game Monday, Monday, right? And it's Buffalo, Montreal, ok? Two organizations that could not be or seem more opposite right now.

[G]

Why?

[A]

Because the Montreal Canadiens guys.

[D]

What do you mean?

[A]

So fucking they're must watch tv. Did you guys watch the Seattle game? Did you catch it, Biz? Or was that.

[D]

Yeah, yeah. When they tied it up, Demidov tied it up. And then Caufield from Lane Hudson and ot.

[A]

Forget about Demidov's beautiful goal to tie it up. Also, that reminds me of something that our friend Pete Blackburn brought up on what chaos I think it was actually. DJ Bean, let me save that. Remind me of that. Yes, but the past Demidov gave for the assist to new hook in the first. This guy, this guy's incredible. This guy is so unreal to watch his skill. A video came out with him and St. Louis working on some different things along the wall. Very similar to when St. Louis came over and then was working with Caulfield with stuff on the wall or I think maybe the top of the power play umbrella and then or off the flank and then to see that Demidov is out there controlling it the way he has. I mean what do you play three regular season games last year? Five, six games in the playoffs. He's outstanding. Hudson looked great. And I think the Hudson contract's the big news. That's what happened since we last talk. An eight year extension under 9 million a year. I don't know how it happened. And I'm guessing part of it had to do with Lane Hudson saying I just want to play hockey. I, I, and I get that, I get that. And I think you have your agent. His agent's a great, great dude. Sean Coffey, I know him well. And I think as the agent's trying to his do his job of getting his client the most money he can, at some point the player says, I cannot play right now with this constantly being asked, asked questions to me, I'm being reminded of it like just get something done. And in the winner in that obviously is, is Lane Hudson. He, he's making what, $70 million. But Kent Hughes is, is loving that deal. How can you not.

[D]

I would, I would say that it didn't help about the noise around the Olympic stuff. It was probably a pretty tough start to training camp with all that kind of being an uproar in the contract. Dobson coming in, Dobson coming in. Maybe that was kind of used as leverage, you know. And, and from, from what I read online now, I, I wasn't watching much of them in preseason. Maybe didn't have the best training camp. It didn't light the world on fire like he did coming in last year. Nonetheless, Lane Hudson's Lane Hudson, he's going to be an incredible player for many years to come. Why would you not leave, let's say, even, let's say the max he could have got is a million more per year. Now all of a sudden you get the standing ovation that you got after you signed the contract. The fans love you and you have so much more leash at the Fact that they feel like they got you at a hometown discount, it's an absolute no fucking brainer. You're going to make another. He's probably going to make another more than 100 million on the next one. Who gives a fuck? You lock in at a great rate. You're the fucking hometown hero now. And it's such positive vibes in Montreal and, and Yan, you touched on the, the, the pregame ceremony. Are you talking about the Ken Dryden mask on the net and just how moving all of it was? The, that was a just overall special last seven days for the Montreal Canadiens and honoring him as well.

[E]

Just the class organization, everything that they do, whether it's, you know, before games, bringing in the old timers, like, you know, ceremonies like that, obviously a sad thing that happened. But like to honor him is amazing what they do. And I mean they've done it forever, right? They're a top echelon organization. But touching on Hudson too. Like, you got to remember he's 21 years old. Like at the end of the day he just wants to play hockey, right? And you know, all this talk about contracts and Olympics and shit, whatever's going on, his dad being involved in stuff. He was probably like you said, wit, let's just get this done. I can be secure for the rest of my life. I got generational money. He'll be what, 28, 29. When it's up, I'll sign another monster. I am going to be a okay for the rest of my life. So I'm happy for both sides. Like 8.8. What do you think he was realistically, like at the top end gonna get nine, five, ten.

[A]

What did he sign for? 8.6, 8.85. I think it was, it was eight years, 70.8.

[D]

So 8.85. He's right there. He's right at that. Jackson the Cole.

[A]

200 grand, less than 9 million.

[E]

Like, what are we gonna make that.

[D]

From Bell for doing a swipe up ad?

[A]

And what Biz said is so true. It's like if I could tell young players anything, it's a little less. And you get a little bit of leeway like you said Biz. And then like forever, like the fans are like, oh my God. He actually like took a little less. Like it sounds stupid. And I guarantee and I respect this, there's some players like, no, fuck that. I want to, I want to get the most I can. Like, I understand that that's a confident individual. Maybe I'm just not that confident. I'm like Hey, I, I'm rich as hell now, and I'm kind of looked at as like a great guy from taking a little bit less from the team. So you saw the team surround him after the lap when the, when it was announced in practice, it was awesome. Then Hudson gets announced that he's been added to the expanded, like, preliminary roster submission. How about those fucking words? Stay hot for USA Hockey. Him, Thatcher Demko and Brock Besser. So I believe like the night before the final list had to be in, in the summer, they asked Hudson to, like, get all his stuff. And like, I don't, I don't know what you got to do all the drug testing, whatever it may be. So you know that, that, that possibility is not dead yet for him. But now he gets to play. And on the other side of it, for Ken Hughes and Jeff Gorton, their deals were about ready to expire. They got extensions. I think five year extensions too. I mean, and then they got Hudson locked up, they get their extensions, and then they see their demigod. Not Demodov. I love the demigod thing. Light up the Seattle Kraken comeback victory. What a day to be a Montreal Canadiens fan. And I saw a bunch of Leafs fans online, like, almost like, this is not good. Like, all of their business is very, very good.

[D]

You don't gotta, we don't gotta go there.

[A]

I'm just saying that when you hear Leafs fans all over the Internet saying, like, the Canadians can't lose at anything right now. Like, every deal they're doing, everything they're making happening is winning. So Dobson's also been playing pretty good defensive hockey. I saw some Pasha numbers where I guess, like, he's better than people thought. We always kind of questioned his defensive ability. Well, Monday for the Amazon prime game, they have Buffalo. Buffalo won a game, guys, right?

[D]

Put the banner up. Put the banner up.

[A]

Boy, did it get close. Their extensions, they're up 5 3. I think Ottawa scored to make it 5 4. Lindy calls the timeout with like 18 minutes to go in the third. Probably a great time out. Showed out Lindy Ruff, who's. I mean, he's got to be on the hot seat. I think the whole organization's on the hot seat. But they needed a win and they got one. Jack Quinn got two goals. I think two years ago I talked about Jack Quinn. We mentioned him in the preview. That's a guy got to step up, right? He's got to get to that next level like a bunch of other players in the roster. So we'll see what happens Monday. But Montreal, Buffalo, it's. It's a lot more interesting than you thought it would be in the first two weeks of the year.

[D]

I usually like to keep the players on the ice accountable for losses, but I would have to point to the Ottawa Settlers. Third jerseys.

[A]

They're horrible.

[D]

Brutal. They're brutal.

[E]

I thought it was Binghamton.

[A]

It did look like Binghamton's.

[D]

I'm like, when did you see.

[E]

It was like, oh, finally. Finally, Buffalo's playing a team they can beat. Hey, but how good is Josh Stone? Look, I know I'm biased because his dad is my idol, but he has been their best forward. He's been unbelievable. And Darlene. Darlene's playing well. Like, they needed that win in the worst way. Just like, for morale around the city, especially the Bills losing the last couple games. That's a. That's a huge win for them. Hopefully. Hopefully get a few more.

[A]

And then there's Ottawa, who. God, you're trying to build on a great season, and you know you're down 30 to the Leafs. You get it to Game 6, right? Like, the panic had set in a little bit with the Maple Leafs fan. So it was like, all right, we are not. We're in now. It's that next step. Get to the second round. Brady Tkachuk guys injured wrist, hand. Don't know exactly, but I'm kind of hearing, as most people have seen on the Internet, that surgery is probably what it. What it's going to need, which would be two months. And that just. That sucks for not only the Senators fans, but hockey fans. And I. I think if you're somebody sitting around like, oh, no, I don't care. Like, you got a big dump in your pants if you don't enjoy watching Brady Tkachuk play. There's passion, there's physicality. Any single team in the league wants them. And now Otto, who's off to a bad start. They lost to the Sabers, is without their captain and their leader. And that's. That's bad news. Very bad news. And also b. Last thing. The Ottawa goaltending is back. They're horrible right now, both of them.

[D]

And I was just going to say, like, it. It makes going back to Billy G. Geetto the Olympic decision. Like, if could chuck both of them. Let's say they're not back till like, end of December, early January.

[A]

No problem.

[D]

No, I know, but it's. It's. Man, it's like all of a sudden you're playing against the best players. In the world. And you got to quickly get back in game shape, like, we're talking about you.

[E]

Stop worrying about our team.

[A]

Well, I think if you have all of January, I'm fine. If you're back January 25th or something. Yeah. Then it's like, all right, you got two weeks here.

[E]

Bring them.

[D]

I wasn't so much worrying about your team. I'm saying for the product of hockey, like, I would be devastated if those guys were not on the Olympic roster. I don't want to fucking spank you guys without your best players with your. Without your heart and soul. Guys, come on, now. I want every fucking player, including Showtime, in the lineup so when we fucking spank you, I could stuff you guys in the locker just the way you've done to me for the last year of my life.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[D]

So congrats to Montreal Canadiens. They look unreal. Also, that deal, as G pointed out, is. Is front loaded, so he's getting 55 million in signing bonus. So. So all you Montreal Canadiens fans who think this is, like, the deal of a lifetime and it's a hometown discount, you don't have to start a GoFundMe for Lane Hudson. You don't have to pick up his meal when you see him out in Montreal eating whatever restaurant he's eating, that he's going to be all right, and he's going to be an incredible defenseman for years to come. And there. There is probably, like, three or four of these teams who are very young, who have loaded up, who are now looking very, very scary in the new. The near future. Chicago, we'll get to them. Anaheim, we've discussed Detroit starting to kind of get. Give the scary eyes. And then, of course, the Montreal Canadiens. So there's a new wave coming, boys. There's a new wave.

[A]

If they can somehow this summer, like the. The Demidov contract could be like. If they get him at a crazy good number, then it's like, oh, shit. Now, sometimes, maybe. Maybe you guys call me out here, Maybe the Russians are like, no, no, no. I'm gonna. I'm gonna get as much as I possibly can in terms of Panarin. That's a little news right now that we can get into. But if Demidov can end up signing a deal where you're like, what, they just got him eight years at what, Nine? Five or something? Nine. Based on what I think he's going to do this season, then it's like, holy shit, we're not paying 13 to anyone. There are some Chicago blackhawks fans pissed off that they didn't take demigod biz. But you had a hell of a little rant on Conor Bedard on Wednesday night. And the difference you're seeing, and not only him, but the entire Blackhawks team, maybe go into that a little bit more because it was very well said by you. He does look different.

[D]

I guess it started with the. The pregame interview with Frankie Nazar, or Nazar, however you pronounce his last name. I'm going to fuck that one up, too. But he's been incredible to watch. And I know we question, you know, given that type of money, a deal where it will put him higher in career earnings than Wayne Gretzky by the time he's finished after only playing 56 games, I believe, but that's going to be one of the best bargains in the league in a few years. And asked him about going back to Saturday night where Goulet lit him up. And then. What's the defenseman's name? Louis something.

[A]

Oh, we talked about. He's a monster. I can't think.

[D]

Monster.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

So right away he goes over. He'd never fought before in the NHL. I don't know what he fought like in junior or college or wherever he came from, but comes right out of his comfort zone because he sees Frankie Nazar get lit up in the neutral zone. And I don't care to go in the discussion, oh, I hate every time there's a fight after a clean, clean hit. Who gives a fuck? Because if I'm on a team and that happens and a guy goes over to answer the bell right away to grab the guy who did it, it tells me exactly what I need to know about where the culture's at. So I'm like, wow, I've. I've seen the first game of the season against the Panthers. They played them hard. They lost 3, 2 in that one. Frankie Nazar looked incredible. Thought Bedard looked solid. Maybe not like all world exactly. Not as good as he looked like against the St. Louis Blues last night. But. But just seeing that kid go over, Louis Crevier is the kid's name, and grab him, it. It just. This team looked a little bit different. Okay, so just watching this play last night and the. And the game that ended up evolving against the St. Louis Blues, where they absolutely worked them, and watching Connor Bedard play going back to last year, we had him on the broadcast and, you know, I didn't really rip him apart. I just kind of said what I was seeing. Like there was Plays that were happening in front of the net wit, where, you know, there would still be a puck battle and he'd be swinging away, hoping his guy ended up with it. And where, hey, hit me on the wide side. Where. When you're a centerman in the National Hockey League, you have to be way more engaged, you know, maybe trying these seam passes where they wouldn't land and he turned around, slap his stick against the glass, maybe not being as engaged in.

[E]

In the.

[D]

In these puck battles. And maybe I don't want to say giving up on plays.

[A]

Flybys.

[D]

Flybys. He. He looked like a completely different player than he did last night in what I saw. And I got this tweet. I'm going to try to pull it up just to back up what I said.

[F]

And.

[D]

And before I get into it, it's. It's Mike Kelly who has it. I'm going to try to find it here.

[A]

But that's Pasha's God.

[F]

I'll even go back.

[A]

That's Pasha's God, the under the hood God.

[D]

Mike Kelly under the hood God. And even before I get to his. His tweet, I don't think there's ever been really a more scrutinized player because he's coming through this social media era where I think coming in, he was being compared to a Connor McDavid and Austin Matthews. So there's a lot of fucking pressure. Keep in mind, he won the Calder, right? So he had an unreal rookie year. Some people argue it should have went to who. Who was the other kid he was up against, but maybe they thought he should. Maybe it was Faber.

[A]

Yeah, but I think so.

[D]

Maybe it was Faber that. But I would say that most people would agree that last year there were maybe some regressions or wasn't living up to the trajectory and what they expected to him to add to those prior year's numbers. But to me, it was more about the body language, you know, not being engaged and from the eye test, just from simply watching him play. So I went on the rant that I went on and I said, if I'm fucking seeing this night in, night out, I mean, fuck, we're a few podcasts removed from talking about maybe moving this guy to the wing if he doesn't have the. The speed to keep up as a centerman or, you know, maybe not as involved on these battles and want to be as involved defensively where, okay, you can get a little bit more lost on the wing where you're not as exposed.

[A]

Well, it was about Scoring more a little bit. But yeah, you're right.

[D]

Yeah, and yeah, and, and I'm going to stick to what I said. I think this guy could be a 40 goal guy this year. I think he could be a point per game player. And I'm at this point happy that he waited to potentially sign a deal because if he continues to play the way that I've seen through the first three, four games of the season, he's going to be set to be making 12, 13 million a year. And he, he backed me up. Mike Kelly with stats, he goes, if Connor Bedard looks like a different player, it's because he's been through five games. He's eighth in puck battle wins, was 189th all of last year. He's 13th in stick checks. He was 190th all of last year. Puck moving remains elite, but also up from last year. Banasti was right on last night's assessment. So shout out to him for backing me up. But they, they have a treat at the onew slot if, if what I saw last night continues with him and Nazar like it's unbelievable. And full marks to him for taking the off season to address not only the, the physical element and how he treats his training and maybe taking a little bit of a step back because I think also we talk about this social media era where, where these kids get a little bit lost in the sauce. They see, oh this, this kid's doing all this type of training. I need to do that. Oh, this kid's doing this type of on ice training. I need to do all that. Bedard was going on the ice like 10 times a week all of last season along with the, the weight sessions and the dry land and this and that. So he really took a step back, reassessed all that as well as his mental approach to way he's, he's playing his game through, dealing with these guys, trying to shut them down, down night in, night out. The attention of the other team probably saying, hey, get on him physically and he'll quit. That wasn't the case. Colton Pareno is all over him. He wasn't backing down that Tucker kid all over him, cross checking. Bedard's in his face, laughing. And keep in mind he's 5, 9, 5 10. He's looking up at Tucker laughing. He's like, you can do this all night long, but it's not going to deter me from coming to the net, making plays, battling you for loose pucks and, and playing the way that I want to play. Moving forward to set the example for.

[A]

This lineup, how I'd have to play for us to win.

[D]

Play to. And he said in the post game interview we had him and Nazar in the interview. He says, we're not looking to win three years from now. He's like, we're looking to win fucking games this year and moving forward. So I was just blown away by the difference in the eye test from what I saw last year to this year. So look out for this Chicago Blackhawks team, man, they are going to be pressing for points. I would be shocked. I don't think they're going to make playoffs, but I would not be shocked if they're less than 10 points away from, from a playoff spot by the time the year ends.

[A]

I think. I think that Renzel is going to be unbelievable.

[D]

Too nasty.

[A]

And you have, you have Vlasic signed to a really good deal. He's an enormous defenseman. We mentioned Frondell, like, I think we have before, like, how good he's going to be able to be in his future, how high of a pick he was. So, yeah, I think exciting time for Blackhawks fans. I think that the Hawks fans who were spoiled, right, like that run that they had was something else, but they just wanted to, like, enjoy watching the team play. And I, and I think from my past playing and now watching, you just want your team to have some fight. And last year there just was no fight. It was just like, yeah, the body language you bring up, they're just like, oh, we are getting pounded again tonight. And it looks like this year, now it's early, but it looks like this year that won't be the case. That's what a fan base wants. They want. They want a team that's going to fucking grind and fight till the final whistle in the third period. And if that's the attitude that they have, I don't think the fans will have much complaining, especially if they're seeing, like, development from some of these guys. So Nazar, that kid flies and he competes. I couldn't believe Neighbors throws him in a cross in a, in a, in like a arm, whatever. What is a headlock he gets out of that. The whole team's fighting. He's celebrating. I sent the picture to the group.

[D]

To be fair, he took all the punishment early, so it was fair for him to go celebrate and earn that. But, yeah, maybe don't leave the pile until it's all resolved, then celebrate. So, no, but it was, it was a great game and agreed completely on what you're saying like they, the competitive nature of their squad so far through the four or five games that have been played is completely 180 on, on last year and what we saw. And, and I'm also not the big analytic guy, but the, the speed burst too. Like he's hit the 24 mile an hour speed burst mark. So we talked about the speed and, and maybe where he would be exposed playing the center of the ice. That's not the case. He's a faster player this year and that's being proved with that, that software that they have. So I know I'm not great at articulating no, no, no, no, no.

[A]

You're both better than you think. You're much better than you think. And I think Hawks fans are just happy with the product so far. Another original six team whose fans are not doing well and Pasha is just sipping it all up is the New York Rangers. They haven't scored a goal at home. Couple that with Elliot Friedman reporting that the Rangers have gone to Artemi Panarin and talked to him about taking a deal similar to Anze Kopitar. Like, way less money than you could get on the open market. What is it? He turns, Panarin turns 35 this season. He said no, he hasn't scored yet. He has 1.5 games.

[D]

So just a straight.

[A]

No, I will say that I've, I watched the game they lost to the Oilers. They played well and the fans are saying like they have, they have been playing very well. J.T. miller spoke to the media. He's like, there's no panic here. Like, we keep playing like this, we're going to be fine. Rangers fans basically have said if they're, if they play all season the way they have, that they're going to get in the playoffs. But now it gets into like, if they don't score in the first period at home next game, then like it's just going to, it just could get ugly. So it's very odd to see a team with that much talent up front. TRO checks out. That hurts. But like break a record for not scoring a goal at home to start the season, three straight games. I was kind of shocked by that.

[F]

I don't know.

[D]

I think at the deadline, if they're not in a playoff position, they got to get as much as they can. They should trade them.

[A]

I agree.

[D]

They should trade up. And, and this is no disrespect to Panarin, like, his playoff numbers might say otherwise. I feel like when they get to a certain Point in playoffs. He, he to me is like the Phil Kessel. He's a piece. He's not the piece.

[A]

Yeah, right.

[D]

He's not, he's not the McKinnon. He's not the Crosby. He probably wants to be paid like one and that's fine because you know.

[A]

His stats back that up. For the money wise.

[D]

His, his regular season stats back that up. I think a fair comparison at this point would be a Mitch Marner, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Like anybody would want that guy on their top line on the wing perimeter. Panarin is Pasha's. Why don't we have Pasha?

[F]

Come on.

[D]

Because he did have a viral tweet.

[A]

Pasha, you can't, you can't. Yeah, get on here.

[D]

Calls him the flatbread man.

[A]

Like you can't, you can't sit here and say that the guy who signed, since he signed with the Rangers, this was seven years ago, has the fifth most points in the NHL. You can't say he's an elite player.

[C]

Well, no, I mean he's a good regular season player but like you know.

[A]

When the game tightens up, you know, he's, he's just perimeter per to two years ago in the conference finals. I remember them maybe looking for more. He had 15 points at 16 games that playoff series.

[D]

That's what I mean. He's a point per game guy in certain situations, so it's hard to criticize him. But I, as, as I said, as it goes deeper and the competition gets harder, he's not, he's proven to not be that guy. Is that what you're trying to say? Was he injured posture like in anything defense?

[B]

I love chirping the Rangers.

[C]

Panarin's not like on my top few.

[G]

Guys of worth chirping on that team.

[C]

But like you said Biz, like I don't think if he is your number one superstar, like I don't think that's kind of what you need to win a cup.

[A]

No, I, I, I agree with that. A piece. Not the, the main driver of the team. I agree with that. Yeah, I think if you're sitting right, if they're battling for a wild card spot, come the deadline, it's like, are we really going to lose this guy for nothing? Only to maybe get in and possibly lose first like second round. I now, I don't think circuit thing changes everything though because like if he just goes off this year and then they're one of the top teams in the metro, then it's like a different story. Then you trade him and fans are Going to lose their mind. I don't know. That's a tough one.

[D]

I don't think so. I think you could rebuild around. If you get the right. Right pieces in return. You could build around Shurkin, you could build around good goaltending. Like, look, you could. You could try to become the. The. The New Jersey Devils of the past and just have a team. That's. What's that?

[C]

I said they wi.

[A]

You can't have a serious conversation. This guy.

[G]

No, no, no.

[C]

But serious. I think if that. If they're within like 2, 3, 4.

[A]

5 points of the playoffs, I don't.

[C]

Think there's any chance that Dre Panarin in that market. I don't think they're going to be like, oh, fuck, like, not our year. Let's trade Panera.

[G]

I think if they're remotely in the.

[C]

Hot, they're going to keep them. That's my opinion.

[A]

Grinnelli saying Carolina would be an interesting location for the bread, man. They have over 9 million in cash.

[C]

Because they need another undersized forward, right? Attaboy, G. Stay hot.

[A]

Pasha does not think G knows Puck. He's made that. He does not know Puck. He's made that clear.

[B]

We remind people that Pasha can't skate.

[A]

This is not the show to say that on. That's one of those things that I learned a long time ago. If somebody never played hockey and you act like they don't know anything about hockey, you will get crucified.

[B]

What is Carolina need more goal scoring.

[F]

What?

[B]

Couldn't Caroline in the playoffs. Goal scoring?

[D]

That's what I tell people when I meet them. They're like. They're like, oh, you played hockey? They're like, I can't even skate. I was like, well, neither did I.

[C]

Carolina just signed Nikolai Ehlers. They don't need another small shifty for.

[G]

Carolina needs a centerman, okay?

[C]

Because Kakanyemi is not a fucking legit Carolina. Not a shifty perimeter winger.

[A]

All right, G. I mean, guys, can we. Before we throw it over to Stoff, the legend stuff biz, can I tell you my thoughts? When I watched the ESPN piece about Jake Ottinger getting pulled in Game 6 against the Oilers. A great piece. It was. It was very well done. They spoke to Jake Ottinger. I think it was. Was it Emily, Cap? I don't know who the espn.

[D]

Emily Kaplan. She was the quarterback of it all. They talked to Dumba Heluck. Yep.

[A]

They talked to Marshman.

[D]

Yep.

[A]

And Husky. So Dumbas moved on. Marshman's moved on. And Hellebuck's not on Dallas. So I was not surprised at all that besides Ottinger, no current members of the Stars were on there. It was an absolute hit piece on Pete DeBoer.

[D]

Yeah.

[F]

Yeah.

[D]

It was like. Yeah.

[A]

I was like, this is like, kind of weird. Like, hella bucks.

[F]

Oh.

[D]

I watched the whole thing and I was engaged the entire. Genius.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

To do the piece. I was just surprised that. That Ottinger would agree to do it and not just move on from the situation. Because I agree with you. There's really no other way to bring this up other than to kind of shit on deboer. Now, mind you, at the time, I would not have done what Pete DeBoer did. Right. But Pete DeBoer is a pretty respected coach. A very respected coach. And he also mentioned that they'd lost six of the last seven games to the Edmonton Oilers.

[A]

That was right after the game. Said that.

[D]

Right. So they'd lost six of the last seven. And he thought that he hadn't gotten the big stops or the good goaltending when they needed it. And we're going to be talking to stuff here, which we recorded before this. He mentioned that Stuart Skinner's outperformed him a few times. So, I mean, it's not like. It's not like Pete DeBoer didn't have a reason as to why he did it. But in those. In that instance, the two goals that he did allow in the first few minutes, he was hung out to dry. The defense just went. The remote control died.

[A]

Now, I'll say when that happened, I remember being like, yes, like. Like, I love this. That he's. He's. Two shots, two goals in game six. But I remember after. And it was big news. I remember we talked about his press conference. I mean, it kind of got him fired.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

I was like, it kind of. It makes a little sense to me, though. Like, he's lost six to seven. He just gave up goals in the first two shots. But the. The entire piece itself was.

[F]

Fuck.

[A]

They interviewed Dumba and Marshman were the two guys that went over his house and crushed beers with him right after the game. Which, by the way, I was laughing, thinking, like, can you imagine the carving that they were doing of DeBoer?

[D]

Those three?

[A]

They're still doing it on ESPN.

[D]

He probably texted Emily Kaplan and being like, yo, tee this up. Let's go.

[A]

Yeah, we went over, started drinking beers. Just carve the coach.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

But interesting piece. A very well done piece. Just like, I was unreal. I haven't seen, like, Deborah sitting on his couch getting ready to watch games. By the way, he'll be a head coach by Thanksgiving. And he's like, what the fuck just happened?

[D]

And respect to Oinger for agreeing to do it. Once again, I would have probably said, ah, I want to move on from this and just focus on this year. But, hey, man, he's. There's a reason why he's one of the best goalies in the world. And if he wants to handle his business, how he does nothing but respect. And thank you for the entertainment. And I'm interested to know, outside of that decision, how was their relationship leading up to that? Like, I couldn't imagine it would have been bad in any situation.

[A]

Yeah, I. I mean, he's been so good there. It couldn't have been that bad that DeBoer went to the Western Conference finals three years in a row unless he.

[D]

Was carving him also in, like, the postseason meetings after those prior losses. But, oh, I still came out.

[A]

They never even met. I thought that was, like, part of it when he was let go. I don't know.

[D]

No, no, I know that they hadn't met after last year's playoffs, but I'm saying unless there was maybe like, the. The season before where they met, where he's like, I really think that you need to take a deep dive in order to get to the next level where Ottinger is like, ah, you know, we got. I don't know what was said prior, but once again, I would just imagine that their relationship was rock solid because of how good Ottinger had been in the past for him. And there was really no other reason for there to be conflict up until that point where he's like, all right, this guy. We've lost six of the last 70. Let in the first two shots. All right, you're done.

[A]

Put the backup in. Here you go, Casey. And like, the whole team's like, what the just happened at home, too.

[D]

Like, yeah. Anyway. And going back quickly just to the reason I brought up, we're kind of in these unprecedented times. And the. I mentioned the social media aspect. I just feel like there's probably been more pressure and more scrutiny on Bard as a result of this Tik Tok hockey era, Instagram and all these things. Would you not agree? Like, obviously, McDavid was coming up right around the time where it was popping off.

[A]

It wasn't like it is now.

[D]

No. And also early on, they lived up to everything that was being talked about, up to them where, yes, Connor won the Calder but from an eye test and what we saw compared to those guys, not even in the same league, especially in the second year, where a lot of people online or some people, excuse me, are kind of comparing it to where what maybe the expectations were for McKinnon and where they lied after years, you know, 2, 3 and 4, where it took them a little bit, but once it clicked, it clicked. So I'm, I'm pushing my chips in. I've seen five, four, five games of Bedard this year, whatever it's been. I'm all in.

[A]

40 goals, 90 points.

[D]

I'm, I'm, I'm all in. I think we're going to see and, and before the season started, I would have said no. I think he's just going to be a, you know, a really good forward may, maybe a point per game forward, but not the guy where I'm saying I'm pushing them all in, baby. I, I'm all in on Bedard. I'm all in on Bedard and Nazar.

[A]

McDavid, McKinnon, Crosby, OV Matthews. Like that's a long time ago Even, you know, McDavid 10 years ago, Matthews eight years ago, whatever. It is like there wasn't the TikTok Twitter madness now. So the noise has just been that much crazier about Bedard because he's been like the first guy since them as this generational once every 20 years type player. And those guys there was Twitter, but it wasn't like it is now. And even when I go on Instagram, when you talk about training, I like my algorithm. It's like all like how to shoot the puck, how to stick, handle different drills, where if you do like, you can get so deep, where you're trying things that are completely opposite. If you're trying everything, it's, it's similar to like people who are on YouTube for golf tips. There's 5 million things and like they, they differ between one another. So it's like if you get in that with skill work in hockey, it's like you got to get a guy you trust. You got to get a work like a regiment and like a skill set and practice the way that you want with a guy you trust. And it's like, stick with that. Don't go off script trying all these different things. And I'm not saying he, he did that, but it is an interesting time for younger kids.

[D]

And I've talked about it before. I, I think the reason for last year and some of the lapses was just overtraining and Wanting it that bad.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And. And you can't fault the kid for that ever. But trying to find the balance and where the time and energy and when you're amplifying your nervous system and doing it with the right as opposed to making sure you're taking the right amount of time to rest and recover and. And rest your nervous system that is. Is just as hard to figure out and as important to figure out. And I think that he's honing all of it and look out league. I think he's coming.

[A]

And now we have the man with the best nervous system in hockey.

[D]

Oh yeah.

[A]

To talk about the Edmonton Oilers and the province of Alberta, Bob Stauffer. Bring me my guy. Put my guy's face on the screen.

[D]

What's up Dum dum dum dum dum dum.

[A]

The man knows puck, folks. We all know him. We all love him. Well, I don't know if everyone loves your stuff, but I do. Bob Stauffer. What's going on, buddy?

[F]

I'm not even allowed in my own household. They moved. They moved to West Van. That tells you everything you need to know. But no, we're doing all right.

[D]

We're.

[F]

I'm hopping here shortly within about a half an hour with our video guys to make the hour and a half long trek into UBS arena. So off to a decent start. Got it. I'll be honest with you, I'm pretty bullish on this year's team. I think it's going to exceed in the regular season what last year's team did. No, no, no bets in the playoffs because it depends partially matchups and that sort of thing. You guys know that. But I. Gumpton's gonna have a pretty good year and I think Alberta's province is going to be pretty interesting because I think the Queen, the Calgary Flames might be a team to watch just because they might have to make a hard decision as an organization. One that Edmonton made. Ryan, when you were playing on the orders back in the day. So it could be an interesting time in oil country to say the least stuff.

[D]

I can sense your confidence. I mean you look less red, which means I'm sure your blood pressure's down and like you're. You're a tire. Like you look like. You look like you're a fucking model.

[A]

With going to work an NHL game tonight.

[E]

He's a doctor and a stylist.

[F]

Yeah, well, the fact that I'm less red is because I eased up on the sauce last night. I didn't go that hard if you know what I mean. So, okay, it was, you know, it was a three drink night, not a nine drink night. Because at the end of the day when you're in this business, and I've been doing the letters for 18 years, like win or lose, you still booze either way. Oh, you like to have a good time, you got it. You got to cut loose and at least have a couple or eight. And yeah, so I appreciate the, you know, from three guys that look as good as you guys do. A guy closing in on 60 really appreciates that sort of sentiment.

[D]

G also put in the chat. He thinks he saw you front row at the Victoria's Secret fashion show. That was not me.

[F]

I was so poor bastard that looked like me.

[A]

Okay, all right, all right, stop. We got.

[D]

Maybe that's why he got kicked out of the house.

[A]

We got about 27 more minutes with you. That. That's more than enough time. I love it. Let's talk quickly about some, some newcomers to the Oilers, Right? We see just the other night, Mangia Pani gets put on McDavid's line for the Rangers game, I believe. Is there a chance tonight that David Tomasek will be playing on his right wing on the top line? Rostovich with Leon. I love Tomasek. From what I've seen, big body, undrafted, 10 years in Europe kind of explain his game a little bit and explain if you think Mag could last all year with Connor.

[F]

Well, first of all, they didn't think they were going to get both Maggia, Pani and Roslovic. Their hope was to get one of those guys in free agency back in, you know, July 1st. They ended up getting them both. As for Tomashek, Stam, Bowman, during the four nations face off, he ended up going over to Sweden and helped seal the dealer. Tomashek had led the Swedish league in goal scoring the year before. Last year he led the Swedish league in scoring. He had lots of choices. He's with Octagon. That's the same agency that has Leon dry settle and ended up getting David Tomashek as well as a kid named Joshua Samanski, who might be the order's best younger prospect down in Bakersfield. They're both Octagon guys. Leon played a factor in the procurement of those two players. Tomashik has never played net front on the power plays there right now because Hyman's out with the injury. Hyman's on ltir and yes, he is going to play right wing tonight. He finished in the game against the Rangers there with Lee with Connor and Maggia Pani and he protects the puck pretty well. He was bigger than I thought when they initially sort of recruited Slash signed him. And you know, I would say that he plays a bit of a European big man game, but he's got good high end skills. He's, he's, he's not chicken. He drives the net with the puck, which sometimes, I mean, that's the sign of a player that's got a little bit of braveness in him, his game. And I think that the offense will come with him. I think that there's a chance that he can be a, a decent pickup.

[A]

All right, I also need you to address my co host Paul Bisson out on something else. We were talking about McDavid, the incredible deal he took. We got three more seasons of him, no matter what. B then said he thought maybe Walman didn't take that much of a deal. Did you like the number or were you hoping for a little less than seven?

[F]

Well, first of all, I asked Jake Walman point blank if he talked to Connor. Those two grew up playing together in Toronto. I go, yes, Connor, you know what Connor's plans were, where his headspace was at before you signed the long term extension. And he, and he goes, oh, that's an interesting question. I go, well, if I was a player and I was in your shoes, that would be the question that I asked.

[D]

Would ask.

[F]

I'd want to know what Connor's plans were as well. So I think that was a little bit of a tell. And then in terms of the price point, here's what I'd say. Sam Bowman told me, I tweeted out November 20th last year that contrary to what everybody thought, the orders weren't going to go get a shutdown deep. They were going to add another guy that can move the puck. And Bowman's philosophy is, and the orders have not evidence. Got another gear to get to when Hyman comes off of ltir. But they got another gear to get to shortly when both Wallman and Alec Ragula get moved into the lineup. Stan Bowman wants D that can move the puck. He's, you know, he's like, the offense will get driven from the back end. The Athletic take it for what it's worth. This isn't me ranking it. This is the Athletic. The Athletic referred to the orders top four of Ekhom and Bouchard and then Nurse and Walman is the best top four in the NHL. And part of that is because of the, you know, ability of Jake Walman to transition the Puck. We've not seen Jake, he got hurt in the first preseason game. It's an upper body challenge. I think he's playing this weekend, probably Sunday against Detroit at the latest. And I think we're going to see a different Oilers team when he gets put in. As for the price point, I get it. That's the cost of doing business. He had a bunch of defensemen. We saw a wave of demon get signed here to pretty good deals. You know, Jackson Lacombe, I realize he's younger in Anaheim, Lane Hudson, just, you know, more dynamic guys that are going to be sort of the quarterback of their respective power plays in those organizations. But Jake was going to give up some free agency years as well. So I, from my perspective, Stan, one of the top 4D signed and locked and loaded and he has that, you know, he's got, you know, at home went and did a three year extension. Boucher did a four year deal.

[D]

That one's a deal stuff. The Ekom contract is a deal. Now just quickly going back to what you said earlier. You said when healthy you believe that the top four is the best, best top four in the national.

[E]

Easy talk.

[F]

I said the, I said the athletic said that. I respect.

[D]

You think?

[F]

I think they're in the top five or six top core defense groups in the.

[D]

Maybe you put down the booze and picked up the crack pipe. No, no.

[F]

You know, I've never actually. I'm the only tree planner alive that never hit that stuff up. Right.

[D]

Okay.

[F]

Mainly because it would cut into my alcohol intake.

[D]

Okay. Why.

[F]

Yeah, exactly. Anyways, I did not inhale.

[D]

Yeah. Yeah. So. So you, so you think that it's a, it's a fair deal or do you think it's even a bit of a bargain? And I kind of don't. Regarding his answer on whether he talked to Conor about it, I figured that with the price that he was being offered, you probably just take the $50 million contract based on the fact that he was being traded away. They were giving away picks for a team to take him a few years ago.

[F]

I, I think that he's a guy that, you know, you, you have a general manager that believed enough in you to trade a first round pick for albeit a late first round pick. And so. Right. Situation. That's what I see here. The point I'm making about, you know, I'm guessing that Jake talked to him is because Jake didn't sit there and go let's do a four or five year deal. Instead they went with the six or seven year Good deal. Now you guys would counter that as three former players saying stuff, take the seven year deal and I would say take as long a deal as possible too. But I think he wanted a little bit of clarity from, from Connor that's he didn't outright say it, but he kind of said it in the interview that I did with him. So you know, if you read between the lines there, I think this guy has a chance to be a pretty good player. He's, he's certainly, you know, he can play 21 to 22 minutes a game. That's what he can play and he can skate and he can drive a little bit of offense. He's got a little bit of bite in his on ice personality, you know.

[D]

And yes he does.

[F]

And the Oilers, Paul, they're not necessarily that team, you know what I mean? Like they're not like when they went out and they got Echolm and Hyman Hyman first via free agency, then at home that helped support, you know, McDavid dry settle, Nugent Hopkins and Nurse. But it was also the character of those two players that they brought into the room and that, that I think really helped elevate the rest of the team. And then Bouchard emerged as, you know, legitimate number one, 24 minute a game, right shot, power play quarterback. So I just kind of have a real good top four. They know what their top four is for the next four years. Ekholm is, you know, a smart. And the way the ECC home contract is represented by Kurt Overheard. I mean I'm sure Overheart thought he could have gotten more in the open market for Frank Home.

[D]

Oh fuck. I guess so.

[F]

But Ekholm wanted to say. He told me, he told me the morning. So they decided because you and me had a brief exchange on the Monday morning just before Connor signed and the next day, you know, it's, it's, it's about Conor and about Walman because the two signs got announced that day and I talked out Coleman and he goes stop. I really want to stay here. Right. Like this is a good fit for me and my family. It's like Sweden, right? And I don't, I mean you guys have seen that. Like we didn't see a healthy Ekoma in the playoffs.

[D]

No.

[F]

And it. And Florida was too good of a team for Edmonton not to have Hyman, to have Nugent Hopkins break his hand and to have a scenario where at Cole was coming playing off an injury like it, you know, like Florida, let's face it, they were a wagon the series year before was closer. The final four games weren't that close to the final last year. So anyhow, bottom line here they got a good defense. Ragula is a 6 foot 4 righty. He's at a league minimum the next two years. They're going to be keep an eye on him. They're going to work him into the mix as well. Bowman, Adam in Chicago and believed in him and believed him enough to claim him when he was injured and didn't play a single game last year and he's going to be sticking around.

[E]

I think their D have one point right now Stuff.

[A]

Hey, it doesn't matter.

[D]

I also want to clarify stuff. I think that if we see the Jake Wallman that we saw in playoffs, he's worth every penny. Especially how hard it is to not only attract free agents, maybe not so much with Conor and Leon there.

[F]

Yeah, it's different now.

[D]

Yeah, it's. Yeah, it's a little bit different. But to get a guy of, of the way that he played in playoffs of that caliber, I think that he's worth every penny if we continue to see that moving forward and agree with you like I was, I didn't, I wasn't familiar with the bite he had to his game when things were getting harder and, and Florida was getting more aggressive not only with their physical play but also with their mouths. He was the one guy that I noticed the most where he was right back in their face being like fuck you and and chirping them back. And it takes a special breed to play that type of hockey. So I feel like he earned that deal. I was I guess personally just shocked at, at maybe the length and how much it was originally. But hey, that's a, that is also a lot of money to be wrapped up in your top three highest paid D including Bouchard. So you got ten and a half, nine and a half and seven and a half.

[F]

And that's why the break on the Echom. Like you know, this year Ekholm's making 6 from the orders. He's got a 250 retainment with Nashville but 6 from the orders and Walman's 3.4. So that's 9.4 million. You know, next year those two combined will be at 11. So.

[D]

So not bad. Hey, and, and so I want to get to this forward group. There has been a lot of turnover the last couple of years and there's a lot of different guys we got to ask you about. Obviously probably the biggest question mark over the past few years has been the goaltending conversation I also just want to break this news on here. So Carter Hart has officially signed a tryout with the Vegas Golden Knights. I was hearing rumblings that that was maybe someone that Edmonton was trying to get. Maybe that was just a rumor.

[A]

That was. Merles broke that a couple days ago.

[D]

How, how do you feel about Skinner's weight loss, how he's looked so far about their tandem and is it something that they will have to eventually address at a certain point? Because you look back to last year's finals, the fact that you have goalies going in and out and they don't know who the starter is going to be, that's not a typical thing for team who hoists the Stanley Cup.

[F]

So.

[D]

So as you guys are aware of.

[F]

Carter Hart grew up playing against Stuart Skinner. Carter's from Sherwood park and Stuart from the south side Athletic Club. And I moved from Sherwood park in old Southside Athletic Club to play. Those guys were the two guys. I don't think Carter was, it was ever realistic that it was going to make sense from both parties ends. I do think Carter wanted to play in the west and, and I'll leave it at that. But I did. Just to me it didn't make sense for Skinner. I mean they went out and got Connor Ingram the moment they went out and got Connor Ingram and took a chance on him and you know there's a connection between Ingram family and the Knobloch family. Ingram is from Imperial Saskatchewan. He's the only current player in the league from there. And you know Connor Ingram lost his mother about a year ago and his mother was Chris Knobloch's.

[D]

Chris.

[F]

Chris Knobloch's mother was Connor Ingram's mother's best friend. So there's, there's a, there's a belief there that they could work with him. Connor Ingram is going to start a game down Bakersfield this weekend and at some point I think he's going to, he's going to get a chance to be back in the NHL and the guys love Kelvin Pickard and he did a great job last year in the playoffs. Skinner's the guy that's got to sort of re establish the order here because he still has the up. I mean 26 year old goaltender evident had Devin Dubnik here and punted on him after, you know he had like a 916 and 921 save percentages of back to back years. Right. And he ended up. Now Devin bounced around. You know he went to three different organizations before the, the goalie was for Sean Burke. Who oh by the way is in Vegas now.

[D]

You know, turn turned.

[F]

He turned Devin Dubnik into an NHL starting goaltender by the time he got to Minnesota. Really good goalie for a number of years. I don't want to see Evans to make the same mistake that they made with Dubik. Like I think you got to give Skinner a chance. He's 26. He was never supposed to be the starting goal for a playoff run two years ago. Jack Campbell was supposed to be the orders number one goalie. Startle year didn't come to fruition I guess three years ago, you know, because it's been three years for Skinner where he's been in the league. Scott, to continue to work on his glove, he's got to continue to work on his puck handling. Obviously gave the game away against the Flames. That was a buddy. Had a great start against the Rangers the other night and responded. He's lighter, he's quicker, he has a new goalie coach, he has a new voice. Let's see what happens here. Like I think there's some Runway for him during this year but beyond this, he's a pending UFA just like Pickard is. I think all bets are off if there's a lack of success there. I think if. But I also think he can secure himself, you know, full time employment long term with an extension if he has a hell of a year in the orders, win the final game of the playoffs.

[A]

I love it stuff just calm, reasonable. And the Stuart Skinner you see Tuesday night against the Rangers, that's where it's like holy, he was outstanding. Stole that game.

[D]

Is he tying his skates a little tighter?

[A]

All right, ignore him, ignore him.

[D]

What do you mean that's fair.

[F]

That's fair. Like I mean Panger brought that up on your guys show and I was like there is some, there's he's, you know the orders. I think Skinner can under understand how to play at Edmonton because he's from there. There's a lot of pressure there. It's a different market. Right. And by the way, and I'm not comparing him to Grant fear in any way shape or form but Grant was from oil country as well and I think it allowed him to handle the unique complexities of pressures of playing in that market. Skinner is evolving. He's growing. That's like just don't write a player off at 26 because he had one crappy series against Florida for two years in a row. He went up against Dallas who had a really good team and put up a 9, 2924 save percentage and outplayed Jake Ottinger, who is a stone cold mortal walk for the US Olympic team. So I'm just. There wasn't just. I mean, the orders were played. They were outplayed in the final four games of the series by Florida. Florida took it. The orders ran out of players and.

[A]

They would have dummied anyone. The Florida Panthers.

[D]

You're the voice of reason. Stuff. I just asked the questions like you've calmed the fan base down and all the idiots online about the Stuart Skinner conversation, including me. So thank you.

[A]

Including. Including me. I've said they can't win a couple of them, but stuff now has convinced me otherwise. Stuff. I. I will say up front, I got a question about the Roslovic contract because what is this? I'm reading about like mid November or something? There's some sort of outer. What is. Am I. Yeah.

[F]

So there's a four team. My understanding is there's a four team, no move clause, so I would assume those. Or a 14, 2 trade clause. I would assume that maybe there were three or four other teams in on Roslovic. Remember Zach? So Zach Hyman's on LTIR, so he has to miss the first 10 games in 24 days. That takes us to November 1st. Then Zach's going to come in. Zach is a right wing. Jack Ross is going to play right wing for the Evans. Orders may see a little bit of time at center. Jack Ross Levic is going to play in the top six again. The order's got Roslovic and Maggio Pani for 5.1 million. Like they're going to make him want to work with those guys. They got a couple younger guys in Matt Savoy and Isaac Howard that they're going to try to transition in over time. Those guys have to be up and running full time by next year. Savoy's going to be on the team the entire year. Howard hasn't seen a lot of ice time. Savoy is being used on the PK right now. So there's a window here in the short term for Roslovic to, you know, get a lot of time in the top six. He just played his first game the other night against the Rangers. He can skate, there's no question about that. Last year he led Carolina and even strength 5 on 5 scoring during the regular season, which every team in the league needs 5 on 5 scoring. So we'll see how he does. And you know, I, I don't think he was signed just to be here for a month. If it's an outright failure, I guess maybe there's some auctions. And he also switched clients from Claude Lemieux, Justin Duberman. So Duberman's a Chicago guy where Stan Bowman has history with him. And you know, we'll, we'll see, we'll see where it ends up going.

[D]

I gotta ask him just quickly about this forward group. Cause like this is my biggest thing about the Oilers. Like on this forward group I would put Connor McDavid dry, Seidel, Nugent, Hopkins, and then obviously Hyman, when he gets back as part of that core group up front. But then it's just, it's just constantly so much rotating. Magia Pani, the toma sec guy you mentioned. Ross Levic pod closing. I know he's been there a little bit, but still. Frederick Kapanen, Howard, Henrik Savoir, like these are all kind of new faces within the last like, you know, whatever, 18 months. There's a lot of changing and you see a lot of these teams that end up having success that they don't have that type of turnover.

[F]

Hey, excuse me. Hell's keeping. Can you come back at about 2:15? Thank you.

[A]

Let me fluff your pillow stuff.

[D]

Are you trying to avoid this question?

[F]

No, I'm not at all. So all fair. They have four legit top six forwards all day, right? McDavid Dry settled to the four best players on the planet. Hyman a 50 goal scorer, you know, 27, 36, 54, 27 goals last four years at Edmonton. And then Nugent Hopkins who plays in every situation. So between Mag and Roslovic, those guys are obviously going to get the first two cracks to play in the top six. But they're for sure middle six forwards. And then they've got Frederick, another middle six forward they see put Colson as a middle six forward. Kapanen right now trying to push his, you know, trying to become a full time guy, had a pretty good playoff run for Edmonton. And then there's Savoy again a little bit further down. I think we have to be pragmatic. You know, Henrique at the stage in his career is playing four flying center. Howard making that transition from the ncaa. Will he need some time possibly in the farm? Maybe after, you know, maybe after as an example when Hyman comes back from the injury. So we'll have to wait and see. So I'm here to tell you right now, if the orders make a move and I think you're, you know, maybe you have Stan Bowman on the show at one time, the orders are going to be trading their 27 first round pick. My guess is they're trading for a top six forward at some point during the year and likely a guy they think they, they can sign, but they want to give a little bit of a look, see at David Tomashik, see how he does, you know, well. And I think that they think that they can cobble like no team's perfect. You know, you talked about the lack of offense in the back end, Keith, and right now that's true. You know, Bouchard's missed like four sitters in the first three games. But they're. They, ironically enough, who would have thought they would have been the number one defensive team in the league, which is where they're at right now. They've got the fewest goals against the league through the first, through the first week of the season. That's not going to continue. Just like the lack of offense in the back end will, you know, won't continue. They'll generate some of the back end forward depth. I think they have depth. I just don't think they've got a true top six the way other teams have a true top six.

[D]

Okay, last. My last question. If you had a magic wand, you talked about using that first round pick for a top six forward. Give me your top three guys that you'd like to see in an Oiler's uniform before playoff team. And Whit, you could chime in about maybe who you want. I'm gonna throw out a name there. Alex Tuck. Is that a guy?

[A]

Oh, the one I gave to the group chat.

[D]

Okay, okay, it was you. All right. F. Hey, take credit. I don't care. I'm just fucking starting to conversation.

[F]

I love, I love Alex Tuck. So I, I would be in on Alex Tuck all day. He's. I think his cap hit is four and a half million bucks, you know, so you gotta find 2.25 billion in cap space. Cause obviously Buffalo would need to retain. I think the Sabers can do everything possible to, to resign Alex Stuckey's from there. I think there's a family connection to, to Vancouver for Alex Tuck. I don't know how that might. Theoretically, I mean, Alex tuck might get 8 or 9 million dollars guys in free agency, he might get 9 or 10 million. I mean that might. Buffalo might need to step up and spend it. But for me, he would be at the top of the list. That would be a top three guy for me all day, Paul.

[D]

And then who, who would be re like, who's like reasonable. Who do you think is Attainable. Where would actually address that need?

[F]

I mean I'd have to look at Raquel. Dig in on Raquel and Pittsburgh. That would be another guy that and then that's. Is there a team that we think is going to be good that might fall out of things?

[E]

Ottawa.

[F]

Well Ottawa needs to save. They got a 790 save percentage to start the year. I got will be fine. But you know what big loss for them not having Brady. I mean Brady's a hell of a player. That's a big loss for the sense.

[D]

Sorry about all these added questions. I just felt like we needed to get this information off of Stoff Whitney. Like I think we needed these.

[A]

Oh I agree.

[F]

This is this. I don't know who Stan Star and I'm just telling you if it were me I would look at Tucker. I would look at a guy like Raquel and I mentioned that because the potential position that those two teams theoretically.

[E]

Could be at in their bigger forwards play fast. Yeah they would be a great fit there. Going back to the Isaac Howard thing like if he was to get sent down just from what I've seen and obviously you know him better. Like he asked for a trade out of Tampa. He kind of seems like one of those kids that doesn't really understand how the league works. Like you think he'll handle that well going down to Bakersfield.

[F]

I think what like he's playing under 10 minutes a game. Right. He's. He's not really played yet with any of the. With Connor Leon even through preseason they kind of. You know like Connor and Leon have a saying like if you're Connor and Leon. A lot of other teams 2best players play together. They're not playing together tonight. I think Isaac unique situation. I don't know what happened in Tampa with Julian and Breeze 1 and the in the Howard camp. I know that he was open to Comet Edmonton. The trade was made. I think he's going to be here no matter what until Hyman gets activated. So that's like until November 1st. And I. And I. You know what I. I'm pretty sure he can see the reading of the wall. Like it. It's probably better for him to go down and play 18 to 22 minutes a game.

[A]

100%. It is 100% at some point or.

[D]

Trade him to Buffalo for talk.

[A]

Leon played in the AHL for a.

[E]

He just doesn't seem like a kid that would take that well.

[F]

Yeah.

[A]

Well.

[F]

And that's. And there's your point right there. Like Leon did it for you. Know, three weeks, six games that he went down there. And the difference is Leon might have been Edmonton's second or third best player in the start of the 201516 season in preseason because I did those games. And Alex, you know, the situation involving.

[D]

Isaac Howard, like, he, he, he, he.

[F]

Was better as preseason went on and had some nice moments. But Dry settle was nowhere like McDavid. Just right from day one of training camp. And preseason was dominant that year. In the fall of 2015, I didn't think Leon should have been sent out. I had that argument sit on the tarmac discussion with Craig Mitavish and Scott Howes like, you know, they were at that point had Peter taken over Shirelli become the gm. And I'm like, I disagree with this. I don't think it's right that Leon's going down. Like it's a meritocracy. He's been no worse than the second.

[D]

Or third best forward.

[F]

Like he played all three rookie games and he played seven preseason games and he was a star in four of the seven games. Why are we sending this guy down? And well, he needs time. And then of course, they never, you know what? There were people that ever thought Leon was going to turn out to be as good as he did. There were. I was from a different camp. I thought he was going to be better than everybody thought. He turned out to be way better. Like, even I didn't think he turned out to be this damn good.

[D]

Like he's one of the five best.

[F]

Players on the planet. But you bring up right, like you get, you make a valid point. He did go down for six games and he wasn't particularly happy down there either.

[A]

He didn't do much down there.

[D]

You ever been to Bakersfield?

[F]

Yes, because I couldn't come back to Canada because of the pandemic when I got Covid in Chicago. So I went into Bakersfield for a week stuff.

[A]

I know you, I know you gotta run, but we need, we need a couple more minutes as a favorite of the guys. Just that comment about Calgary and having some tough decisions to make. Is that more. Hey, we gotta completely tear this down.

[F]

Gotta come from ownership. You know, like February of 2010, I think it was right before. Didn't you owners trade for you? Just coming out of the right.

[A]

When they decided to rebuild, they traded for me. Exactly right.

[F]

And it came. Daryl Cates came on my show and said, bob, let's face it, we are rebuilding. It has to come from ownership. The owner has to agree to it. Otherwise it doesn't work. And so in Calgary's case, like Dustin Wolf, they had a minus 13 goal differential and finished with as many points last year as St. Louis. They were two points behind Florida. The overall standing, that kid camouflaged a lot of problems Calgary had last year. Dustin Wolfe was tremendous in goal. If they get average goaltending, they're an 82 to 85 point team. And it could go the other way on them because they can't score. And they don't seem to have a lot of pace up front. So I think there might have to be a hard decision.

[D]

I think that. Well, if they play anything they did against Utah last night, they got fucking drummed in that one. If I'm them, I strip it down. And I look to get a boatload for Anderson. Cause he's got a very healthy cap hit at I think just over 4 million bucks. I think Vegas would be a great landing spot with Petro in absence. And I think that they should try to sucker the Avalanche to take and like. Well, not sucker, but get a boatload back from the Avalanche to get Chris McFarland.

[F]

You can let Chris McFarlane. Hey, you need to get suckered by Calgary?

[D]

Well, do you know what I'm saying?

[F]

I hear what you're saying.

[D]

If I'm Calgary, I would call Colorado and be like, you want your boy back? Because I know McKinnon would want him.

[F]

Yeah. Oh, no, there's. There's no question. Guys, I don't mean to be rude, but the coaches are texting me. Where the hell are you?

[A]

Okay, okay, stop.

[E]

I don't know.

[F]

It's an hour and a half from downtown. Hey, I'm really flattered you have me on. Thank you very much. You're a legend.

[E]

It was fun watching what's his name tonight.

[F]

Schaefer. He can skate. He's good. All right, guys.

[A]

We'll see.

[D]

You're a legend, Stoff.

[A]

Thank you so much to Stoff. I mean, a real gentleman, an Oilers man to the core. So while presenting it classy, I believe Stoff is. Is just loving the fact that. That the Flames are kind of a disaster. They kind of are, Biz.

[D]

They are. And just going back to Edmonton, like he really. Even me. He calms down the fan base on irrational decisions. He's so knowledgeable about what's actually going on. Like, I. I'm a believer in Stuart Skinner right now. I want him being the guy.

[E]

He should be Team Canada's goalie.

[D]

I fucking put him in your team. I'll fucking tighten his skates for him.

[A]

There we go.

[D]

I agree with you on the Calgary Flames though. And also stuff like I thought last year was going to be the time to sell. I would hope for their case that the want for a guy like Kadri and Anderson is even higher and there's even more desperation so they can get the return that they deserve. But I didn't think they were going to be good last year. I thought they were going to be like a top five lottery team. I think that obviously Wolf had the year that he did. I thought that they got goal good goaltending from the tandem. I think it was Vladara was the other guy who was in there and he played probably like 35, 40 games as well. So yeah, I just look at this lineup though, like Sarah Govich, he had a career year last year. Is he going to be able to put up those type of numbers? I believe he was over 30 goals or at least close to it. I think that Connor Zeri is going to have a great career, a ton of skill, you know, still very young and a lot, lot of room. Yan's, you're a little bit more aware of Fairby and what Morgan Frost bring. That was the trade that they made with Philadelphia, I believe for Kuzmenko at the time. And then obviously Kuzmenko was flipped over to la. What do you see from them? Like, I mean they're right now in a top six role, but I don't, I'm looking at the Western Conference. I don't view them as like a big time threat in a top six role.

[E]

Yeah, it's like Morgan Frost who is one of the more skilled guys that I ever seen, like he crazy skill. He made a great play on Anderson's goal last night. But him at the second line, center, especially in the west, like he's a smaller guy. Can he handle 82 games or a seven game series against you know, Connor McDavid or Leon Dreisight or like it's, it's tough so. But I do think he's a great player. Probably not a top six right now. And you know where they're at right now. He's in the top six so it's not going to help their team. Ferrabe can play top six on any team. He's, he's unreal skater, unselfish, great shot, great passer. So I think he's a guy that, you know, he's, he's the top six on any team in the league in my opinion. But it's just for them like Huberto Being out right now is tough. Like last night against Utah. Utah, like Devin Cooley, that game should have been 10. Nothing like Cooley made a ton of saves. Like he kept them in it. And like usually when you backup goalies in you, you try to tighten it up a little bit and keep it, you know, in front of you. They were giving up Breakaways 2 on ones. It's just, it looks like a team that just doesn't really want it or know how to play right now. And it's tough too, right. Like you're in Canada to go out and say we're going to rebuild right now. Especially after making deals, getting Huberto, getting Mackenzie Weger, getting Morgan Frost, getting Farabee, Nazim Kadri, like they've got some money into this. Right. Like there. It doesn't seem like Calgary is a town that's going to say, all right, yeah, let's, you know, we're all, we're all for a rebuild here. Right.

[A]

So it's like. But they, they have the new arena coming. I think they have.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

This season and next season, if not another one. I'm excited to see this. Zayn Perek, I actually, I think he thought he scored against Utah because it looked like he shoved the stick in the, in the sword handle.

[D]

The holster.

[A]

The holster and then it like didn't go in. Unless he just did that.

[D]

No.

[A]

After he missed, it was kind of funny. But they're one in four to start the year. Yeah. I don't know. And stuff mentioned how much that Wolf covered up for them. At the same time they did have the 31st ranked shooting percentage last year. So that's kind of bad luck that would go the other way that you think that might be able to go up a little bit. But through five games they can't score. So. Yeah, I mean, I feel like it'd be a lot easier to discuss a rebuild and then you'd still be in it when the new arena opens, but you'd be hopefully on the other side and, and, and on the way up a little bit with a couple more seasons of hopefully some really high draft picks. This is. The mushy middle is a scary place. The Flyers land for so long. It's like I, I understand how hard a rebuild can be for an owner, but I think fans are more than willing to do it sometimes. Maybe I'm completely wrong in Canada, but we'll see what happens. G says it opens before the 27, 28 season. So two more years in the Saddle.

[E]

Dome a great and they just signed Huska too, right?

[A]

Yeah, they just resigned him.

[D]

I, I Man with the timing of the arena and, you know, them being in the Saddle Dome, as much as I love it, that crazy catwalk. Every time they would score, they'd put the, the flame there. The fucking bench. I'd be sweating my dick off. Even though I wasn't look like. Yeah, I look like I'd be as red as stop at the end of the bench. I just blow it up. Blow it up. You're not. This is not a playoff team. This is. No, and like Kadri's probably got, you know, three more years of his prime. Like, he's got those dog years left in him. So I think that what you could get from in return, especially based on what he's making is, is going to be a special return. I, if I'm Colorado, that's the fucking one guy I'm zoning in on. That's the one guy. And all of a sudden you could put who they, who'd they signed from the Islanders there this summer for three years.

[E]

Nelson.

[D]

Nelson, all of a sudden he slots in that third hole, or even if you have cadre in the third hole, he's chewing up third lines like that to me, is something that would put Colorado back over the edge, especially with that hard Central Division. And Buddy Rasmus. Anderson is awesome and he, he, he kind of, he's not Petrangelo, but in a sense of where he can put up those 40, 50 points, provide you a little bit of secondary offense. He ain't fucking Quinn Hughes, but he ain't also like a defensive defenseman. Makes four and he plays the, he makes four and a half and he plays the right side. If you're Calgary, you retain as much salary as you can and you get a boatload in return for that.

[A]

Ufa though that's the only problem in terms of like the return. Unless they knew it'd be like a signage. I mean, you know, a trade with, with the signing happen.

[D]

But I think that with, I think that that with a team like Vegas who is in like their fucking win now, pushing the chips in most years, I think if, and with the everybody being up at the cap, if you could sneak in a demon on the right side when you're lacking that for two and a quarter, two and a half. That's fucking, that's crazy. That's, that's. He's a top, I think he's a top four on any team in the league.

[A]

In good news for the Flames fans, Jonathan Uberdo will be making his first appearance of the season Saturday night. Tomorrow night. And that, unfortunately, that's against Vegas. That could get ugly. But I think it's time we talk about Vegas right now, boys. And we bring in the Mer and Blutman. Is this Blutman's first time ever on Chiclets? Wow.

[D]

We got. We're getting double dipped here.

[A]

Wow.

[E]

Oh.

[A]

Oh.

[E]

I thought that was gritty.

[B]

Am I only being brought in because I broke the Vegas. Vegas story of the season so far.

[A]

Are they now. Now that the news has been public, more. I haven't been on Twitter. We're recording. Are you getting credited?

[B]

I haven't. I haven't checked either. I've been listening to you guys give it to Stuff. But, yeah, they're saying it's a pto. But you know what? We all know we'll see him in the Gold soon.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Hey, Stuff. Stuff made a great point, too. He's got. He's got Sean Burke there, like, oh, watch out for Carter Hart having a year.

[D]

He's gonna look like Bobrovsky in three weeks. Murr, now, when did you say this was gonna happen? And there was nobody else out there with any type of credibility that had. Had maybe tweeted it out or talked about it on any type of podcast before you.

[B]

I think there's always been the rumors, just like the Oilers rumors. But I said it on Tuesday night as a kind of. I. I knew. But I also was doing as a promo for Game Notes. So I came out with the text. Maybe we'll get to see Pasha Friedman break some news during Game notes tomorrow at 12 noon Eastern. That's Wednesday, 12 noon Eastern. His game Notes. So it was kind of a promo.

[A]

I retweeted it. I think you said, thank you. I think you said, tomorrow he will be signing. And so. You got it, Murr. You got it.

[D]

Fucking rights, Mer.

[B]

You know, every once in a while, you know, the EBR family comes together.

[A]

Well, we're lucky enough to have Blutman on. For people who don't know Blutman, he just knows sports. He just knows ball. He knows puck, and he's one of our good buddies. Biz just spent the day in Vegas with him. I believe a guy tried to sell you guys cocaine. Very interesting story right there. Blutman. Is that a Mitch Marner London Knights jersey now that he's your little boy toy in Vegas? Oh, nah.

[G]

Sudbury Wolves alternate. They sent it to me.

[F]

It's sick.

[D]

Also a fun fact. Bluntman's old man played against Wayne Gretzky when He was growing up. Bluntman's old man was a goaltender, and he got lit up for about 11 or 12 goals in a minor hockey league game against Wayne Gretzky. Is that. Is that accurate?

[G]

10, 11 years old. Wayne went up and scored, what, 10, 11, 12 on them in Oshawa.

[D]

Okay. Any type of picture or video evidence of this?

[G]

No. They. They have that stuff back then, did they?

[D]

I mean, I'm sure they had photography, but, hey, we believe have memories, good old memories.

[B]

It was the kid. I saw a picture of him. It was that he was called the kid with the white gloves. Gretzky. When he was scoring all those goals, when he was a ty, because he had these big giant white gloves that were too big for him. His jersey was too big for him, and he was scoring nine or 10 goals.

[A]

Part of above and beyond that my. One of my favorite hockey movies when he would just. He. He was on all these different teams. So he'd get there late to a game, the team would be down by five in the third, and they'd win by three. So, yeah, Blutman's dad was the guy who was taking the abuse when Wayne showed up for the third period in Oshawa.

[G]

Yeah, just. Just one game. But, like, Wayne was already on the COVID of Sports Illustrated by that time. It's crazy. My dad didn't get pulled either because my. His dad was the coachman.

[A]

Why don't you first tell us how you became such a big Golden Knights fan?

[F]

And.

[A]

And I was impressed the first time we met. We started talking hockey, and I knew this man knows Puck.

[D]

Bluntman was born in the underground city in Las Vegas, the one that Donnie does, did the documentary about that had 30 million views on YouTube.

[E]

First to ever make it out.

[D]

I.

[G]

Well, I was born in la. I moved. Well, my family moved to Vegas when I was, what, like three, four years old? Something like that. So I've been, you know, my dad, his side of the family grew up in Montreal. They're big, big hockey fans. My dad got me in the hockey through, you know, just told me, watch, watch this guy Sidney Crosby. So I'm watching all those Penguins teams. I'm getting addicted to puck from a young age. All these other kids in Las Vegas, you know, they want to go play baseball or throw the football around or something. In the spring, I'm locked indoors, staying outside or staying out, like, so I'm not in the heat. I'm just watching playoff hockey on the old verses and everything. Having the time of my life. What a great childhood. Eventually, thankfully, you know, we start getting the, getting the pieces moving, start rolling. Let's get Vegas hockey team. Vegas wants hockey. That whole push, I told my dad, we gotta like, we gotta help Vegas get a team. We, we entered the season ticket drive thing. We put that down and I mean, from the jump, like, just, just love Vegas. We were at T Mobile arena when they announced the team name. I laughed when Bill Foley said, playoffs in three, cup and six. And I mean, we got the cup in six. I just, I love Vegas hockey. I, I, they said it won't work. They said it won't work. What, What a bunch of fools.

[D]

Foley said that at the press conference when the team name was announced.

[G]

He's, they, they're announcing a team name and he's just like, he's just out there at that, the T Mobile Plaza, like where you guys did the, the TNT show and everything. And he says, playoffs in three, cup and six. I don't know why he said it. I don't think he knows why he said. But felt good, it sounded right.

[A]

And they went to the finals.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

Crazy.

[E]

Like, as a fan of their team, like, the amount of, you know, guys coming in, guys going out, like, is that something as a fan that you enjoy or would you rather see your guys grow with them and see them year after year?

[G]

It's like, it hurt winning a cup and knowing that that flirty who was the backbone of that team, those early teams and face of the franchise at first didn't get to bask in that glory. Of course he has success already in Pittsburgh and everything, but like, yeah, that hurt that he and some other guys weren't able to cherish that moment. But that at the end of the day, I understand more than anything else, this is cutthroat. This is a business. Every single fan, no matter who they root for, wishes that they approach things like Vegas's ownership in front office, which is, we want to win every single year. Like, no hard feelings. We're trying to put out the best team as possible. We gotta go and do what we gotta do to put out a Stanley cup contender. And if sometimes feelings get in the way and like, you got like, you gotta throw it out the equation, right?

[A]

Like you're a mercenary and you, you own it. Yeah.

[G]

Yes. And, and there were still a few misfits that got their day. That's all good.

[A]

Let me, let me ask you, because this team, I think that DraftKings has them as the highest point total team. I think it's 104 and a half for the season. They bring in Marner. Eichel's resigned. Everything's all great, and they look poised to have a chance to win the Stanley Cup. What would be your one worry about the team?

[G]

Colorado exists. I'm frightened of Colorado.

[A]

You're not afraid of Edmonton after what we've done to you?

[G]

Look, I'm an honest guy. I got Edmonton way in the Pacific.

[A]

Okay?

[F]

Okay.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Non mercenary style.

[C]

There's.

[A]

So you just. You just. Colorado scares you.

[G]

Yeah, I. Doesn't Colorado scare you too?

[A]

No.

[G]

Really? Interesting.

[A]

If they got Kadri. If they got Kadri, I'd say yeah. No, they don't. Does Vegas scare you without Petro? No. No.

[E]

What if they got Rasmus Anderson?

[A]

We beat him in five games last year. Why would I be scared of him?

[E]

I don't know. Eichel looks like he's on a different level.

[D]

Do you think that Edmonton has a better forward group than Vegas does currently.

[A]

Have a better team?

[B]

Yeah. Let's talk about this Vegas, Vegas group. You got Eichel, Carlson, and Hurd down the middle. And then they've been moving these guys around. Marner, Stone, Dorothyv. There's not a better guys.

[A]

Okay, Mer, I agree with you and Blutman. You could take it from me or biz, whatever hurdle. Like, I'm not 100% sold there on him being dominant in the postseason. Carlson's getting older. Mark Stone gets injured every year. Like, yeah, they have a hell of a roster in terms of me being afraid. No, I'm not afraid. I. Marner is the one. The one guy where I'm like, he could just reach even a different level. And he's already an incredibly, you know what? Top 10 player in the league. So I. But, like, when you say Stone and stuff, dude, if Stone's healthy, yeah, I'm a little scared. But how many times has he been healthy in the last few years? You get to the playoffs and this guy's been battling. His back's always an issue. Like, every year you go on, it just gets a little bit harder.

[B]

Yeah, I'm thinking they're. I'm thinking that Marner is going to, you know, take away a lot of that ice time from him. So maybe he will be a little bit healthier. But you're definitely 100% right on that. They did lose the D. They lost Hag back there. They lost Petro. And I don't know if Lausanne is. Is up to. To covering for both of those guys.

[G]

No, he's just looking to hit people on A wall. That's all Lausanne's trying to do. I, I agree. Like, I have a big worry too, about Dora Fayev. I think he, he had one goal in the playoffs in eight games last year. Like his game didn't translate at all. He struggled so much with just the size and the closing speed and everything. So I need to see a big year from, from Pavo when we get into the postseason. The power play is absolutely disgusting. You want to Talk about the 5 forward power play?

[E]

You could play the top.

[G]

You are shaking in your boots every.

[A]

Time you're out five, four power plays. As a guy who got to beyond power plays, as a defenseman, I still love five forward power plays and I love, I love coaches being willing. Like we'll give up some shorthanded chances. But those five guys out there, yes. Disgusting, Blutman, disgusting. And I want to give you credit because you were the first, I believe three years ago in Chicago. Two years ago you told me about DorothyV. You've been on the Dorothy of train for quite some time. So shout out you because he looks great.

[D]

Gorafiev is how he refers to him.

[E]

He's going to win the Cy Young this year. He's got five goals, no assist.

[D]

Well, he didn't pass the puck. He sits back door on the peeps.

[A]

42 goals, 3 assists to end the season.

[G]

When Biz and I hung out, he said someone was getting the hat trick that night.

[A]

Really?

[D]

And you love Scora Fiev. What other weaknesses do you feel like the team has? I. I feel like they really need to get one more defenseman. People are questioning Aiden hill. His new $6 million deal kicked in this year. I think the Carter Hart pickup is just huge. Not only at the fact that if he can get back to what he was with the help of Sean Burke, obviously having two options is unbelievable. But also, you know, as you're seeing in a place like even Detroit, like sometimes when you have two guys, it forces them to compete for that spot. And competition is healthy. And with teams like that, you need that internally to keep things going.

[E]

And like we said how cutthroat Vegas is like, Hill's got to be like, oh, shit, if I don't play good, Carter Hart's coming in here for a million bucks. I gotta, I gotta be on top of my game.

[D]

Oh, yeah. Pinky in the brain. Kelly McCremon and McPhee, they trade. They trade a family member to fucking win a Stanley Cup. They don't give a shit.

[A]

They don't. I agree.

[G]

So my main Weakness right now is just coming out slow. They have given up the first goal in 14 consecutive games. That's last year's playoffs. That's the preseason. That's every game to open up this season. They've been starting slow and just. It's very annoying to watch as a fan obviously when you have a team this talented, easily one of the most talented teams in the league and they're consistently starting slow and almost just going through the motions and not really playing up near their, their capabilities and potential. So I do kind of feel like there's going to be a bit of coasting this season and it's just, hey, we're focused on, we're focused on the spring and the summer. That's what we care about. Let's get in healthy, let's just make sure all that's there. I think they take the second spot in the Pacific. I know Yan's was making the, the goalie gesture. Goalie is and has been a worry for me with Aiden Hill. You know, they called him Aiden Iverson because he was slacking off in practice here and there. But Carter Hart should come in and give him more competition. Right. And Akira's been a really good solid backup. It's the defense though. I know you guys brought up Rasmus Anderson who's been the most connected guy to Vegas since they were talking about Marner. It was going to be a Vegas goal night forever. Like there's always. These guys are connected to Vegas. Rasmus has been connected. They need another D man that's going to step up. Fill in for Petrangelo. I like Korzak a lot. He's not able to take on that load that early. Yeah and honestly like I'm looking to add another forward. I would like. I don't know. I like Alexander Texier a lot. I wouldn't mind getting him for cheap and seeing what he could do playing with more talent surrounding him instead of the. The dooming end to his two year deal in St. Louis.

[A]

Putman, I got two things for you. One's just a quick statement and I know you know Puck, you know prospects that Trevor Conley is going to be nasty and it we're. We could be talking two years from now. He's disgusting. First round pick and he battled injuries so he'll be in Henderson but who knows. Who knows if if come springtime that kid's lighting up the hl. He's up maybe but a great prospect for the future for a team who doesn't have a ton question how excited for you. Were you when you saw the Eichel number and what were you expecting that number to be?

[G]

You know. Cause when so Caprio comes in at the 17 number. Outrageous number. I'm thinking this is. This is going to be tough. Like we're going to really have to pay up. And then McDavid takes the. The discount of all discounts. What an honorable gentleman. Connor McDavid should probably have his number retired today and find a new number to start playing with for the remainder of his Edmonton tenure. Seeing. Seeing the was at 13 and a half was very, very nice to see. I appreciate Eichel for that. I was worried it was going to be like 15. But yeah, I mean it's a great number. I don't want to pay players too much because I know how difficult it is to win at a high level when you're like Minnesota is completely handcuffed themselves. Where are they going to be able to win now when they're paying Caprize off that much and having to build a talented roster next to them and gang talent to come into Minnesota that's not homegrown. Like best of luck to them. Eichel at 13 half is fantastic. Also on Conley.

[A]

I.

[G]

As long as he's healthy, I'm pushing for him to get play at the end of the season. Just see what he brings to the table because we could seriously use his speed.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[E]

I was just going to say like actually for both of you I guess like you. You look at their roster when they won it. Like their bottom six. You got Carrier, Kolazar. Who else was there?

[D]

Roy's in Toronto.

[F]

Yeah.

[G]

Carry what's his.

[E]

The kid that you. Barbashev. Barbashev. Like their bottom six was heavier, played harder. I just don't see them. I don't see their bottom six as. As hard to play against as they were when. The year that they won it.

[B]

Yeah, that bottom six is kind of like vanilla too. They last year that was the thing. They were so slow. They were slow against Min and then the Oilers just made him look terrible. So I think I would throw Conley in there. Marner's obviously going to change some of it on the top end of it. But yeah, the bottom six you better bring the speed or bring some physicality. You got to bring either one. They Sod and Smith were kind of just like eh, not doing anything out there. Clock jugglers as I like to call them.

[G]

Yeah. So they. They brought in Cole Reinhardt who's playing in place of Brett. How And Right now because Howden and Hannifin are dealing with injuries. Reinhardt's like 25. I think he's six foot one. He was with Ottawa for a cup of coffee. He, he was on the fourth line. Made his season debut, Knights debut the other day against Calgary. He was just out there looking to clock people, playing a nice gritty style again in front of the net, looking to muck it up, playing more of that grinded out fourth line mentality that I really enjoyed. So I mean, maybe he, maybe his kid Reinhardt ends up making an impact.

[D]

I was just gonna say Merle's. Any final statements on Vegas and what you think about him? Cause like I'm sick of hearing about Vegas at this point. Like I just. We need to fucking not.

[G]

You had a great time in Vegas.

[D]

I did, but I'm fucking over.

[A]

That's how he got the pit bull on his eyeball.

[D]

That's it.

[B]

I, I will say I love hearing that stat by Blutman that they've been behind 14 straight games. That means I'm just sitting on the DraftKings sportsbook all night, just waiting for it. And then I'm gonna hit that live money line to pay for this house I'm building. And second of all, when I flew here with the family, I was granted permission to bring like one pair of socks, one pair of pants, a T shirt and one like hoodie. That's all the room I was allowed. The family was getting the rest of the room and the five suitcases. And guess what? I snuck in there because I know where I'm going in the summer. That Vegas Bomber jacket, baby. They're going to be back. They're going to be in the final dance, at least within the west with Colorado. And then we'll see what happens.

[D]

You don't think fucking Edmonton's getting past the second round?

[A]

He says it every year.

[E]

You not listen to stuff matter.

[A]

He says it every single year.

[E]

Did he not hear stuff?

[D]

That's, that's disrespectful.

[C]

I'm.

[B]

We're going there for the Frozen four. We'll be there for the Western Conference final. I might get a timeshare like Biz always talks about.

[A]

Do you guys have the cup final or no last year?

[D]

No, we. We have the conference finals. I would assume just like usually ESPN takes the east for, for numbers. Especially if there's a team like, like a New York or a New Jersey, like, you know, Montreal, Boston, usually. Sometimes they don't. If it's like Carolina, Florida. So we end up Getting the East, but I would imagine that we will be on the road for the Western Conference final this year would be my guess. So. Yeah, I hope you guys are all there. I hope. I guess it would probably be unusual for it to be Vegas Edmonton in the Western Conference final. That would be very difficult.

[A]

Can't be. Do you want.

[D]

Unless there's a wild card. Unless one of those teams is a wild card, but that's probably not happening.

[E]

He said you want to take the wild card wit.

[A]

You already said we're winning the division. You already told me 10 minutes ago. I did tell you.

[G]

In the division. I didn't tell you. I have Vegas and seven in the second round.

[F]

All right.

[A]

I mean, I. Okay, okay. You know what, Blutman? I love talking puck with you, Buddy Putman, why don't you give us a couple other ideas from any Western Conference teams. We haven't talked la, Anaheim, Vancouver, Seattle, any of those teams. What pops into your head?

[D]

Well, Merle's is. Is hammering the. The LA Fraud squad this year, even more so than last year. Do you agree with Merle's on that? Do you think they're a fraud squad?

[G]

Yeah, I. I actually had the Ducks taking the third pacific spot over la.

[A]

I like that. I'm all over the Ducks.

[E]

They better send you a jersey.

[A]

No, they're gonna send them the. The quack mask that they gave the people for the home opener. Dude, that.

[G]

That's the best giveaway of all time.

[A]

Yeah, that's pretty cool. You know, you get the old crappy T shirt or you get a. A duck mask. And then they come back and they beat Crosby late.

[D]

Let. Let. Let's pick a team here. LA Kings murals. Why do you view them as the fraud squad? Again, I don't necessarily disagree with you. I think this is not as good of a team as last year. But you say there's no way they're making playoffs.

[B]

No, I think they'll make the playoffs. But the reason it started as a fraud squad last year is because they were only winning home games. They weren't doing anything on the road. They hadn't really changed anything. And I knew they're playing either Vegas or Edmonton in the first round, and they're not getting past either one of those teams, just like they won't get past either one of those teams this year. So it was a safe play calling him a fraud squad because I know they're not getting out of the first round. And, you know, you look at the lineup this year, it's great. You know, I. The Kopitar last season is going to throw something in there. I don't know if you heard on game notes, but I heard. I heard from somebody else that Doughty, he quit booze and golf this summer to get ready for this season. So for those two things, they will be a better team. But on the other end of it, Darcy Kemper is another year older. He. Last year he had a career year. 2.03 goals against or something crazy like that. Can he do that again? At 35? Can they win that many home games again? I don't think so. So once again they won't get out of the first round.

[A]

It stemmed from Biz saying that he guaranteed they were going to beat the Oilers.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Okay. So. So let's back things up here too. So Vegas last year was way more of a fraud squad than LA ever was. La, the, the players I thought outplayed the Edmonton Oilers to the point where they should have beat them. I thought it was a fumble job by the coach. I. I'm okay with him keeping his job. I never want to see anyone lose their job. The fact that they played the. The. The Oilers as good as they did and the only reason the Oilers won is because LA kinda had to hand it over. Between the, the horrible challenge, between the accidental byfield giveaway and the meltdowns in games three and four. That was LA's series. They were the fucking better team. So they were not a fraud squad. Merles was wrong about that. I don't disagree with the fact that they are not as good of a team this year and they won't get out of the first round. Like I agree with you. I think that they're going to. They. They might sneak into playoffs. I might not even pick him to make playoffs this year. Like that's where I'm kind of on the cusp with them. Okay. But I don't like. Yeah, I'm not going to agree with you. Going back to last year, I refuse, refuse to do that. And also I don't think that the expectations are as high as last year were. So the fact that we're even calling them a fraud squad this year, I don't think they deserve that title. They are who they. They are who we think they are this year. Last year they were for sure a better team and they showed that in the first round outside of the fumble.

[F]

Fuck.

[D]

That's what I got to say about that.

[A]

I don't. I don't really know where to go that they. Yeah, they won the first two Games. The first game was the, one of the craziest playoff games in history. Second game they dominated, third game they dominated and then blew it. And then the fourth, fifth and sixth game we fucking owned them. So I don't know if you could say they outplayed them the whole, that's.

[E]

Why it's a seven game series.

[A]

But I will give you that it was a, a big time coaching fumble to not get up 3, 0 in that series. And, and on Byfield, the forward group I love because I think Byfield's going to get even better. I think Kopitar is going to have a magical last season and I really do think that they're going to score. The defense is a problem. Like Gavrikov is a shutdown elite top four defenseman. He's with the Rangers. They have Dumalin and Cece who from the minute the signings were announced, Ken Holland was chirped and they're getting boat raced through the first four, four games of this season. So I like Mikey Anderson a lot. I think Doughty's still a great player. He's not the Drew Doughty of old. I mean he's, he's been playing for 16 fucking years. Edmondson in your top four. I, I like him as a bottom five, five, six guy. So I don't know man, like I, I, I think they're in the playoffs, I got him in the playoffs, but I do not consider them a cup contender at all. And I guess the more I look at this conference in this division like I do like the Ducks, I. Fuck, we'll get into the Ducks in a minute. Butman, I'm with you buddy.

[D]

If, if we're talking about picks, let's go back to the beginning. I have Edmonton making playoffs. I have the Golden Knights making playoffs. I don't have Calgary making playoffs. I'm gonna, I'm gonna renege on what I said about putting all seven Canadian teams in playoffs. I, because I, because I only have three left. Because I think five from the Central are going to make it five from the Central. I believe we all got five from essentials, so I only get three. I'm gonna say there's not a chicken dick's chance when Kopitar announces his last year that this group doesn't find a way to squeak in to make this a memorable last year for him at least. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna say Kings are gonna get a wild card. They ain't finishing top three in the Pacific.

[A]

Well, that's the only way they would get in if we have.

[D]

Well, then I guess I'm contradicting myself, so. But I still got them in playoffs, so fucking call me what you want.

[A]

But I got the Pacific in the biz world.

[D]

Well, I don't think they're that good.

[A]

Well, Liam Blutman, a ball knower, a puck knower. We appreciate you coming on, buddy. We'll chat with you.

[G]

Thank you, guys. Thank you for having me on. Appreciate you guys. Keep doing your thing. You guys got something special here.

[A]

Go Sudbury.

[D]

You're a part of it.

[A]

That kid is all time.

[E]

He's my favorite employee at bar.

[A]

So for people who don't know, when I first met him, I was like. I had he, you know, he came up and talking. I'd seen like clips of him, you know, like, viva the stool stuff. I was like, who is this guy? And then he starts talking puck with me. And 30 minutes later I'm like, this guy knows, like, he's a puck knower. So then I ran into Big Cat. I'm like, who is that guy? Like, what is Blutman's story? He's like, oh, he's a legend. One of my favorite employees here. A lot of the times I bring the kids into the the office on the weekend, you know, I'll get him out of the house. It'll be 7am Bring them into the office. They run around the basketball court every time. Blutman, he's on the couch watching tennis in Japan, and he's just studying the game, studying the sports. And so he's constantly at that office. I think there are people who believe he does have a bunk bed hidden somewhere in the Chicago office. But if he does, I'd bunk up with him any day of the week. So thank you to Liam Blutman. Thank you.

[D]

Fucking right. It's blunt.

[E]

He reminds me of the Dave Chappelle, like when they were like the Sesame street, the guy who lived in the trash can.

[A]

And that was where he lived underneath the ground of the strip of Vegas. And also another fun fact. Liam Blutman's father was one of the men who created the all time show Boy Meets World. I think all four of us have had.

[E]

I think his dad's been lying to him for years.

[D]

He's playing goalie against Gretzky. Invited, invented boy meets.

[E]

He knows Topanga.

[A]

I could say without being, you know, I'm a little embarrassed to say, like, I. I've touched myself to Topanga at some point in my life. Guys. Thank you, Mr. Blutman. Mr. Blutman indirectly had me Touching myself.

[D]

That's a weird thing to say to Topanga.

[A]

I love the guy. Guys, a little bit of a shocking start for the Seattle Kraken. Mer, I don't know if you've been surprised. Like, pretty hot out of the gate, I gotta be honest. And I might, I might get this list out on Twitter. No big. People who dislike it, like, they do a lot of things in my life. But I have teams that I need to watch play hockey. And if they're on, I can't wait to watch. I have teams that I have no interest in watching. The Seattle Kraken are on the bad list. Boys, I, I, I, I just get nothing. I get no excitement out of them. I love Jordan Eberley. What a career he's had. The teams look good. Matt Benier's local guy who could skate. Need him to make a big step. I just don't love watching them play unless they're playing Montreal and the demigods going off and they're winning in overtime. That was an exciting game, but Seattle on its own. Murr, you could take it or biz. I don't get much out of them.

[D]

Go ahead, Murr.

[B]

I have, I have zero interest in that team. I do like the new coach, Lane Lambert. Great guy. Used to be with the Islanders. He was assistant coach down there. Did they give him a head job for. He got the head for, for one year. He's, He's a great guy. But, yeah, that team is struggling. You look at their forward group, very, very thin. The goal, the goaltending. It's got to be the cord. Remember how bad Grubauer was last year?

[A]

The court's been sick so far this year.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. So he's getting them in these games that they're, they're surviving in, but they're going to be nowhere to be found come March, April, when the playoffs are in there.

[C]

There's, there's.

[B]

Enjoy this now while you can. See how. Cause it's going to be a long season.

[E]

Yeah. Jared McCain's had a nice start. Three goals in three games. But it's like, what is there to be excited about for. For Seattle? I mean, they're like. Whit said what, what did you call the middle of the mushy middle? Like, they're kind of.

[A]

Yeah, they're there.

[E]

Like, especially. It kind of stinks. Cause after their first year, was it the first year in the league that they beat Colorado? Was that their second year?

[D]

First year where they had the magical run of, like, they had four, four second lines and they just came at you in waves. They were disciplined, they were opportunistic on their power play. They got great goaltending. So everything really came together in that inaugural season. But I agree with you guys, like, I mean, obviously with Buoy, I, I hate watching their broadcast because it's all they put on new guy. That guy is even worse. We're not going to give him any air time. Just thin up the middle. And that's no disrespect to be nears or. Chandler Stevenson, Stanley cup champion with the Vegas Gold Knights. Shane Wright's obviously taking some steps, but I think if you look at a Stanley cup caliber roster, I would say it looks like they have three third line centers up the middle in their first three lines on the wings. Like they're a gritty group. Like, like McCann, he's a 40 goal guy like Mason Marchman adds a little bit of sandpaper to their lineup. Was surprised at that move for Dallas, like not keeping him, especially with the chemistry that he had with Duchenne and, and Sagan, you know, Schwartz, Stanley cup champion with St. Louis, you know, a good gamer. And then you know, Eberly, like we, I love watching Everly play. He's a gamer too. But I agree this, this forward group is, is, it's like a little uninspiring. It's not a group that I want to watch on television. They just kind of, it's kind of vanilla. I would say a fairly balanced back end though, where you got the puck mover and then the stay at home guy. Like, I respect the way that Ryan Lindgren, the way he plays, like watching him play when he's with the Rangers, block shots, plays way above his size. Oh yeah, like he, he's kind of like a Chris, a poor man's Chris Tanev with the way he's just eating pucks all the time. Fucking try pin guys defensively, kill plays, smother you. And then you mentioned like the puck movers back there like Vince Dunn and Montour, right? That's kind of a good one two punch of guys who can snap the puck around. And, and then you know, Vince Dunn's playing with Adam Larson, a good stay at home type defenseman. Kind of like a, I mean it keeps saying poor man's but like almost like a poor man's echo, right? Yeah, maybe not. Maybe without the, the offensive upside. So yeah, if. Unless Joey Decord, you know, plays like, like he's been playing at least start the year, I don't think they got a chicken Dick's chance of making playoffs. But who knows man? Maybe like their first year they can surprise a lot of people by getting contributions from everyone at the right time. But I just, I don't know, it looks very vanilla to me. And you nailed it wet. Don't really get excited to watch them play.

[E]

I think Shane, Shane, right. Like for him like guy drafted fourth overall, he hasn't played that much in the league. It'd be a big year for him. Like for him it's got to be like all right like he was talked about being the first overall pick from a young age, right. So it's like he's got to take that step to if they are going to be a playoff team he's got to take that step to be a first or second line center or yeah center where it's what he's listed like.

[A]

Third line center because they got veneers, they got Stevenson. Gee, look up quickly. Did Berkeley Catton make the team? The top pick from I think two years ago that his name and so like for me I, they, they drafted Jake o' Brien this summer. He's supposed to be nasty. They need veneers and right to make a big step. Like if you're this team with these vets like you need these young guys to make a huge step this year and whether that gets you in the playoffs or not, I'm not even more worried about that. I'm just like I need to see development here. He did not make the team so I guess he's back a junior but, but that's a guy that's going to be a future cornerstone hopefully with the Jake o' Brien kid. Now what I'm looking at for this team is three names because in my mind they're, they're mushy middle. They're not going to be in the playoffs. So come deadline what could they get? Who would they give? They have Stanley cup champion Jaden Schwartz, he's ufa. They have an all time gamer. The bigger the game the better he plays. Jordan Eberly, he's a ufa. And they have Jamie Oleksiak, an enormous number six defenseman that I think a lot of playoff teams would look at. Now maybe Eberle and Schwartz, they're older and they want to stay there. They got families and they can resign there, who knows but if not I think that's three guys who are UFAs that a lot of playoff teams could be calling about. That's a storyline to keep watching. They need picks, they need prospects. Let's see what happens.

[B]

But I, I, you know where Alexia will end up?

[E]

Florida.

[A]

Oh, my God, Florida.

[E]

Because Kulikov just got hurt too. And Oleksiak will come down here and look like Mitchell has.

[D]

Now he's gonna be at the sign UFC training center throwing elbows to one of those fake dummies with Eckblad.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Getting used to the new Florida system. Panthers.

[A]

And then it's just all six foot five guys. But then four sling. Who skates 400 miles an hour? God damn. We're gonna need some more. I'm not even gonna say that. I'm gonna say that. Oh, Grinnelli says Berkeley Catton did actually make the team. He's just started the season in the press box every night. Maybe similar to how Misa started in San Jose. And then he got in, I think the second or third game.

[B]

But I wanted to ask you guys something though, because I, I was listening to, on, on Misa. They're saying like, yeah, maybe they're trying to buy the time because of this nine game rule or whatever to take the year off the contract right. Before you can send them back to juniors.

[A]

So. Yeah, if you play nine games, if you play more than that, the year gets burned. Correct.

[B]

Yeah. So that's why those guys, they, they, they play the nine games and then they send them home. And now that what they're doing is they're, they're skipping some games just to buy them longer time to get that NHL experience.

[F]

Yeah.

[D]

Get the practices, you do it till Christmas. That's what Shane Wright did.

[B]

But why then at the end of the season, these guys can come up and play like, they come up and play like out of college and stuff. And that doesn't take you.

[D]

The option. Still might get the, they still might get, they still might get the call after the season. But it's basically like at that point, I think as we know, as time has gone on, a lot of leverage has gone to the player's hand where they want them to burn the year off the deal. But if the team's still playing and makes a deep run in playoffs and with, with wherever they're at, then, then they don't.

[B]

Yeah, no, I meant it the, I said it the wrong way. Like, they get nine games in the beginning, but only one at the end. Like, you come out of the college at the end, it burns that year. Right. You know what I mean?

[A]

I think it's such an advantage for these guys to, to sign the way Gautier did all the, you know, Booyah and boom, a year's burned.

[E]

But my, my thing is with Misa, if, if you're in from everything that we hear in San Jose, like, their leadership's been great. Even their young guys, good leaders. Like, like, I'd rather just keep him around to get the NHL experience. Like, what's he going to do in junior? He's going to rip it up. He's going to have a fucking 190 points. Like, I would keep him around. Even just practice every day to be around guys like Joe Thornton, Patrick Marlowe. Like, those guys are in the building. They're going to learn from them, they're going to grow with Celebrini and Smith. So for me, like, a guy like him, I would keep him around.

[D]

I think the conversation now with, with how the NCAA rule is where they can go off kind of like Gavin McKenna did, I think that teams adapt to that. Maybe having a plan in place where they can go to a level that's a better level to play. Like, I agree with you. Him going back to junior is, is counterproductive in my opinion, especially how, how he lights it up. Him going to a really good NCAA program where you're playing against more developed men, maybe not playing as many games, but adding sizes. To me, that's, that's productive. Now Merles, going back to your question.

[E]

They do that though?

[A]

No.

[D]

Well, he wouldn't be able to go.

[A]

To camp and do what he's doing right now, but like busy saying he could not even go to camp, just go to college.

[D]

Right, Correct. Yeah. Like you would have more, more of that plan in place. And I believe you can go to camp. You just have to pay your own way, I think.

[E]

No, that used to be for like rookie camp.

[A]

No, because, because you're at school already and stuff. The team's already skating.

[D]

Going back to what Merle said, though, I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who did do the nine game experiment who didn't end up coming at the end of the season and, or burning a year. Like, I think that, that, that would be a, there's not a lot of cases where somebody did that experiment where they didn't end up burning a year off their deal of entry level. Like there might be like a handful in the last like five years. Like we'd have to, we'd have to dig that up. So I get what you're saying, how it's kind of like, well, fuck, this guy gets to be there for half a year and you don't. You don't burn a year. But yet if you get called up for one game at the end of the year, all of a sudden a year is burnt. That's ridiculous how that works. I get what you're saying, but I don't think that that happens a lot where it doesn't get burned.

[A]

I say right now we move it over to the Vancouver Canucks. What a weird time for this organization. It is not as hectic and crazy as last year. Right? J.T. miller is in New York. It's the year for Elias Petterton to Pedersen to take the next step. The start so far, three games, guys, they got 79 games to go. So let's not really panic. But it's not been great. It has not been great for Pedersen. It has not been great for the team. Even Quinn Hughes, I think, has a little bit of a slow start now for him. It's like a great start for a lot of others, but with what we've become accustomed to seeing him do. I don't know what you think about Van Biz. I know you're somewhat in the area in the summer. I don't think they're getting in the playoffs. I don't. I do like watching them play. They're not on my no watch list because Quinn Hughes is so incredible. I don't know. They have eight goals in three games. My only question, my biggest question is Pederson. And I go back to the rookie season where I remember Marek, Jeff Marek told me about him. So I brought him up on the season preview when we did Chicklets, whatever it was five, six years ago. And then getting to watch the brilliance in his game and to see what's transpired. Like, I, I refuse to believe that last year is, is his like, career is how he's gonna be. Like, I remember the early years. I remember the 99 point season. Like, where is that biz? I don't get it.

[D]

I. And from what I heard, he worked hard in the off season, put on a lot more muscle. I would say my critique and where I've noticed a lot more over the last, like 18 months is how much easier he was to knock off the puck where he's almost got this stride, where it's very Bambi, like where, yeah, straight on he might be able to go, but the minute there's any type of resistance or contact, he, he'll fall to his knees and then like get back up quickly. So the, the, the protecting of the puck was probably a major concern for me. I also think that people underestimate the. Maybe the, the. The power play confidence that he gained. And also playing with a guy like Bo Horvat, I feel like that connection, they just had a lot of chemistry and since his departure, he hasn't been as good of a player. Don't know how much that whole situation last year mentally fucked him, where maybe he's unable to. To get past that. My assumption is, is he's going to get back more to what he was before rather than like staying where he was last year. Got married in the off season. So I would definitely give it a little bit of time. But I think that a lot of their success is going to have to do with not only him, but Quinn Hughes, but then the guy in net. Now I'm drawing a blank who looks solid, right? Like, I think that Brian Boucher describes.

[E]

Almost like a list too.

[D]

Yeah, the USA list where Boucher described him as like a McDavid and net where for how big he is, it's ridiculous how athletic he is. Like the way that he's able to go post to post. Now sometimes when you. Those types of guys who are freaks of nature, it's hard for them to stay healthy because as much torque and as. As much athleticism as you're seeing, it's like a Ferrari, all of a sudden it's in the shop. It's in. Back in the shop. It's back in the shop. So if he stays healthy and he's providing like his type of goaltending that were like, kind of like his high level, like where Elias Pedersen's high level is just like where Quinn Hughes is. When those three guys are going to. I feel like they're kind of driving the bus and everyone's following. So a lot has to do with that. But man, if. If your best player is the kid who came over from Nashville, the guy I love the most and I can't believe Sherwood, I think you're having issues if that's. If that's going to be your best player night in, night out. And you know, I have a lot of respect for Connor Garland. I like what he brings. I think that Heidel had two goals in one game. It was off to a decent start. Can he stay healthy? So just a lot of question marks. And like I said, I'm going back on what I said. I don't think this is going to be a playoff team. I think this is a team that's in limbo and there's a lot of question marks that are going to be. Have to answer it after this season because then Quinn Hughes is going to be heading into his last year under contract.

[E]

And for Pedersen, like with J.T. miller gone, that means he's getting every team's best matchup too. So like there's nowhere to hide anywhere any game. Like he's seeing everyone's number one forwards, everyone's number one D. So to get back to a 102 point season, I do not see it. I mean and biz, like you said to losing a guy like Brock Besser, that opens up like he was such a. He's there part of that power play in the middle that opened up that one timer side for him. Like it's tough to, you know, when you do lose players of that caliber, it's tough for an individual guy to put up the numbers that he did.

[A]

Besser resigned. He's still on the team. He looks now okay, I'll say this. Pasha piped in. He said Petey will just be fine. And this is a guy last year who's kind of on the train with me. What's going on with him? He said his knee is finally healthy and in typical Pasha form. He says his under the hood numbers look very, very good. The points will come now. Another guy very close to us, Jeff Jacobson. He, he. He had a. He had something to say. He said biz can attest that if you'd asked me before the season, I was so confident in the Canucks were going to be a playoff team. Only three game samples. So this is Canucks fans in a nutshell. Three game sample, but we're lifeless. Evander Kane will be taking a significant pay cut next year. I was hyping up Braden Coots all training camp. He's already been sent back to junior. Petey has not shown the ability to carry a line. And even Quinn in his limited window, we have seen it doesn't look like his usual self.

[D]

This forward group, it's brutal. It's probably the worst forward group in.

[A]

The entire Western Conference. If Heidel has a big year, that changes everything. Like he now. God, he needs to stay healthy. That is the number one thing. If he stays healthy and pops off and then that Lecler Maki can like really take a step in his second season. I know what you're saying, but I could see a difference and like a different story where they are able to score like somehow some way. You know what I mean?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

The lacker Maki can score, but he's already. He's going in the press box on already.

[A]

Yeah. And they by the way, they have Dallas tonight. So by the time people are listening they could lose this could. It could be 7:1 box score you're reading right now.

[D]

I think like with a healthy Hubert all I would put them neck and neck as far as what the forward groups look like. And then every other team in the Pacific I have having a better forward group than them. And we can go through the list. LA's got a better four group. Vegas has a better forward group. Edmonton's got a better forward group.

[A]

Not Seattle, buddy.

[D]

I. What do you mean? What do you mean they don't have.

[E]

The game break like Elias Pederson is was 100.

[D]

Chandler Stevenson outside of Elias Petterson, Chandler Stevens better than all three of those guys.

[A]

They still have rather him than best serve different positions.

[D]

But I, I, I, I would have, I would have the three other centers ahead of any one of their centers that they have on their roster. I like Heidel. I'm not like shitting on him. I'm just saying is like Seattle, Seattle at the center ice position is, is even if not better. And then I just we talked about their wings. Like who's. They don't have a 40 goal guy, do they? His bester scored 40 actually. So put him in line with McCain. But I take McCain over him or McCann. However the fuck you say it.

[A]

I like Garland a lot more than a lot of Seattle forwards.

[D]

Okay, put him in neck with Eberle.

[A]

Want to know something crazy biz Besser has 40.

[D]

Yeah, he does. He's never had two years ago.

[A]

He's never had 30 other than that year. Wow.

[D]

So I don't know. I, I just. It's hard to me for. Hard for me to be confident about this group where like not even just playoffs like more of like ooh. Like I might sprinkle a little dole on them to finish top five worst teams in league.

[A]

I think Demko if, if what we're seeing early that would be. It could be like a Wolf in Calgary situation last year. Cause Demko's at.944 save percentage already this year. I think it's only two games but still like if that guy's finally healthy the way you said Boosh talks about him, that could be something that really carries them throughout the year if the offense get clicking.

[D]

But I guess we can't forget Hoglander either. He's on the ir. I don't mind him as a player, but he's also not a needle mover for me. So maybe I'm just hating A little bit too much on Vancouver, but I don't know, man. This ain't a fucking playoff team, boys.

[A]

I agree.

[C]

Nope.

[A]

Okay.

[F]

Nope.

[B]

And I'm not staying up till, till one in the morning to watch them play.

[A]

No, no, but if, but on my watch list, if they're on the east coast or if Edmonton, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm tuned. I'm staying up. I'm staying up. By the way, Edmonton being on the east coast is the balls. The absolute ball balls. I get to watch them wax the Islanders tonight. The Anaheim Ducks boys bloody said it best. Talk about flying up my watch list. I was so excited to tune into that Pittsburgh, Anaheim hope home opener for the Ducks. I was not disappointed. And I need to apologize. I think I need to apologize because I don't know how I worded it, but last year I made it clear that I thought Chris Kreider was kind of just like really, really on the last two or three holes. He looks energized. He's flying around. Leo Carlson making incredible passes. This cutter Gauthier Mer. I know you don't like the shot on the shot on goals bets anymore because what the league is doing. Have you seen the viral clip?

[E]

9 shots the first game. Right.

[A]

Shoots from everywhere. And I will. I saw him at BC and I don't think I realized it until seeing it in NHL action. He absolutely fucking flies. He has the puck through the neutral zone and you're. It's one of those guys you're like, whoa. Like he is hauling ass. They got Mason McTavish busting heads. They got a young decor. They got a goalie with a ton of promise. I don't hate Bultman's call about them somehow getting in the playoffs.

[E]

No, they're in.

[D]

You think they're making it a yance?

[E]

I think it just, I think it just goes to show you, like they're pretty much the same group minus what Kreider. Who else did they get from last year? But like, it just goes to show.

[A]

You how he came in. But he's. He's fourth line guy.

[B]

Brownlin.

[C]

They got that little.

[E]

How much, how much a coach means to a team, right? Like these guys, it just looks like they're playing with much more confidence. Kreider is a. Just a typical. Like a guy that needed a fresh start. He was in New York for so long his last year there. Not his best, but man, does he look good and like he, he looks energized too. Like I always describe cry. He's like a little kid. He just loves coming to the rink. Like, if he sees a piano, he's gonna start playing the piano. If he, you know, he's just like one of those kids. He's, he's a little kid and playing with all those young kids, it looks like he's back to that, you know, kind of step in his life where he's like, okay, I'm having fun again. I'm scoring goals all the time. Because that's what he does, right? He scores goals. They're not going to be the prettiest all the time. He's going to be standing in the crease getting backdoor feeds. But they count, right Biz? So it's I, I love their team. They're a blast to watch. I love their D. They got old guys, young guys, you know, skilled guys, stay at home guys. I really do love the way that their team's shaping up. And like everyone said, they are a fun, fun team to watch.

[D]

If I wasn't loyal to, to the LA Kings and what they did for me and Baglick and Aze Kopitar, wanting them to get in, I would have them in my three slot in the Pacific. I'm not gonna do it quite yet. Wouldn't be shocked if they pull it off. Just a tire pump them though. As far as watching them, it's fucking entertainment. The game they had against San Jose was like, it was fucking insane, man. I was like watching one of those Thai girls fucking fire ping pongs out of her. It was just that wild. The left side of their D to for years to come. Jackson Lacombe, that Zellweger and then that mint, Mint Minov. Like that's insane. Once they start. Like, I know you said Yan is a good mix of young and old. Like, I love Gudis, love the Truba move to bring him in. Although Pasha doesn't like to to compliment that left side is great, but once they fill that in, as these guys age a little bit, that's going to be an insane decor. And then just even that second line, man, I mean, go McTavish and seni. Like Seneca's off to a. Is that how you.

[A]

I didn't see that coming this quick. He's got four points at three games. So like I was looking at him and Roger McQueen in the future, but like if Senake is already ready to produce, it's like, whoa, that's why this is. Could go that much quicker.

[D]

Like all of a sudden Troy Terry's on their third line and he's, you know, he was an all star a few years back and a very reliable forward along with Grandland. Unreal pickup. Like the perfect sneaky pickup to help bolster that roster. Vetrano, he's a 30 goal guy. He can get you 30 snipes and shoot. So it's a fun, fun group. We talk about like Seattle. No, I'm not turning the game on usually because it's boring. I'll be watching any Anaheim Ducks game on the west coast that I can to watch this up and coming group because they've been firing out of the gate. And if it continues, man, look out because they might sneak into playoffs.

[A]

Murr, the same way that you kind of told me about this Anton Frondell that Chicago picked who's lighting up the SHL right now. Long ago you mentioned Leo Carlson and then our good friend Matt Cater who represents him. He told us last year, guys, he's still growing. He's not even done growing. He's already got five points in three games. Like, are we looking at a possible like 90 to 100 point player during his career? I'm not saying this year, but the size and the skill, like what I've seen, I'm like, holy shit. Talk to me. When this kid's 26, he might be unstoppable.

[B]

Yeah, all along I told you. He's like the next Matt Sundin. Big centerman, can do it all. Power play, penalty kill. And he is, he's like a little boy still. He's just a young little kid out there living in California and he's still doing this. Give him a few more years hitting that weight room, maybe playing a little less golf. I know he likes to get out in golf, but shooting, shooting the weights around a little bit more, he's going to be the size of Matt Sundin and he's going to be dominant. That, that Senake, is he the kid we saw at the draft and he was like, what the fuck? Or something like that. So they knew something. They're doing a great job building that team. And I go back. The biggest thing on this team is I go back to your talking interview just last episode. Great, great episode. Go back and listen to that if you haven't yet. But he talked about Zegras coming there and how he was kind of like almost like not playing the way he's supposed to.

[C]

And he's.

[B]

He's like, go play. Go make mistakes. I think with the old coach, all those guys were stuck playing like that. And we all know Q Q'S going to be a players coach and let the guys play. And I think that's why you're seeing all these guys just flying around. Kreider's happy going to the rink, has. He's probably got a house like Yan's out in California now at a pool and sun. And that's why they're all just loving life. And I don't have them in the playoffs because I had St. Louis in there. Because St. Louis somehow always makes the playoff little known fact, they have the most playoff appearances percentage wise than anybody else except the top six or the original six. But the way the blues looked last night, I may change it over to.

[A]

The Ducks Wednesday night. Also.

[D]

Also a lot different when you're a young guy. Listen, I don't know what was going on with Cronin, obviously. Like, he had a certain style of how to coach and, you know, probably those guys are afraid to maybe make plays in some instances. And we're getting yelled at all the time. Like, it's a little different when it's coming from Q. And if anything, when you're a young guy coming in with a coach that has that much respect, you're getting ahead of it. Like, you want to be on your best behavior and you want to make the best impression. So whatever he's saying, you're. You're drooling and you're like, absolutely, sir, absolutely. And also, I feel like he's a perfect balance between player, coach Yan's, but he's got his. His, like, firm things where he's like, no, this, you. You just don't do that, don't do this, don't do that. Everything outside of that. Do whatever the you want. Like, you explained to me that he hates when guys go to their backhand defense.

[E]

Very few guys in the D zone. In the D zone, yeah. Defenseman making a backhand pass.

[A]

I was watching for it. Yance. They're not doing it. He's probably staying on that.

[E]

Yeah. And W, which like you said, biz, like, especially as a young guy, it's like, all right, Joel Quinville, hall of Fame coach, like, one of the best ever do it. If he's telling you this, you got to do it, especially if you're a young guy to stay in the lineup. You see the way the team's going, they might have other young guys coming crawling up your neck too. So. Yeah, I think it just hits a hundred percent differently when a guy like Q's telling you that, as opposed to when a guy like Cronin is.

[B]

Yeah. And I actually got a good little segue for that because we talk about, like, the college coaches going to the NHL, and that's part of, like, the problem is, like, they don't get the respect that, you know, if you never played in the NHL, how is NHL player going to respect you? So I asked my good friend Benny Barr up at Maine last weekend about that. Like, would you ever go to the NHL? Would you ever go pro? And he goes, I've never even thought about it because I didn't even play pro hockey. Hockey, so how am I gonna, like, go and coach pro hockey? And, you know, we got into all that on a Chiclet university that me and G did up in Maine.

[A]

Nice.

[B]

You'll have to tune in for that entire interview later on. But I thought it was interesting how he kind of thought that, like, well, I never played pro, so I don't think I'll ever coach pro.

[D]

Yeah, perfect segue, actually, because, you know, now that we have Yam Rose, we were going to cover when you first hopped on, but it was you, Bluntman. We got into the breakdowns. I want to talk about your. Your whole main experience going there with G and Fish. They've been doing such a good job with Chiclets. You. I know originally it was something that you guys had talked about doing together. Obviously, G and Fish have ran off with it, but that was, I believe, your first one that you were able to experience with those guys. So I saw the rink in Maine, or it wasn't your first one.

[B]

I was on the first ever one. First ever one. Arizona State. When we. We started all this shocker.

[E]

You want to say you were.

[D]

Were you on the locker room tour?

[C]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[F]

Oh, okay. All right.

[D]

My apologies. My apologies.

[B]

Remember, I won the. I won the bubble hockey. I took down their bubble hockey champion.

[D]

That's right. That's when we realized how sick you were at bubble hockey. But that rink, it Maine, Incredible. What was the experience like with Benny? The. The behind the scene Access G, if you want to hop on and. And kind of snap this around with Merles to talk about your.

[G]

Your.

[D]

Your couple days there and the big win that they had.

[B]

If I could just say Merle was. What Merle did before this game was so impressive. Like, we're sitting there in warm ups and he sees this kid Poirier. Never played an NCAA game in his life. Never.

[C]

Zero.

[B]

Merle sees one shot in warm ups, looks at me and Fish. We got it on camera, too.

[C]

He's like, that kid's getting a hat trick today.

[B]

What happens?

[C]

That kid gets a hat trick.

[B]

I was like, I saw this shot and I was like, whoa. Like that's not a college hockey shot. The kid had like a different, different kind of little release. And then I, I kind of knew about him. He scored 50 goals in the queue, which, sorry, Yance, isn't always, you know, the, the greatest thing. Anybody can go up.

[D]

My nanny got 50 in the queue.

[B]

Yeah. But the shot release was just something crazy. And then later on like this, there's this little kid with a jersey. It was a former player. He's like, I need a new favorite player. I'm like, get that kid's jersey right there. He's going to score a bunch of goals here. He got one, he got two. He got the third one. And then just. I'm so pathetic. We're up in the student section. It's. It's basically hanging over the rink, which is another story. But then there's a net. So the kid gets the hat trick. I go to throw my hat off the net down into the front row. Just a pathetic performance.

[D]

Loser.

[B]

Yeah, so that was brutal. But these fans up there, the student sections, got the band right in the middle of the students. They were ruthless to this poor goalie. If your son ever ends up being a goalie, do not let him play at the University of Maine.

[D]

Just put earplugs in.

[B]

Yeah, tortured this poor kid. They had, they had game notes written about him, his family, they knew everything. They just tortured the kid for 60 minutes straight. I think the coolest thing that Maine does is right after every goal. So they got this thing called the Naked Five where it's five guys.

[C]

That or in a fraternity across the street.

[B]

And every year right when you walk into the main facility, there's a framed picture of the Naked Five. So they're in a fraternity across the street. They paint up, take their shirts off and write main across their chests. And after every single goal, they're the ones in the student section getting everyone going crazy. But after every single goal, they do a lap, a full lap around the arena in the concourse. And everyone is just going to berserk during this lap. They're ringing cowbells. They got little 8 year old kids running behind them trying to be like the Naked Five with their shirts off in the whole.

[C]

It's like mayhem for that, like 45.

[B]

Seconds where they're sprinting around. It's incredible.

[D]

The building is stunning. It looks like the Noah's Ark.

[B]

Yeah, he was calling it Benny Called it the Fenway park of college hockey.

[C]

Which is pretty cool.

[B]

Yeah, it's really strange. It's built into the ground so you. You come in. In like the middle section.

[D]

So it's called pledge.

[A]

Yeah, Wit. Wit.

[E]

Didn't you guys used to. It was like. I remember going to my brother when my brother's game, when they played them, and there was no netting. So the student section would be there for warm ups. Chirping the goalies, chirping the players. And guys would be shooting pucks off the crossbar on purpose. So it would fly into the stands.

[A]

You're trying to take out some main kids teeth. A lot of them don't have all their teeth to begin with. So I think at one point they put the netting back there. Right. The netting should be there now. One of the coolest places you can ever play. I remember driving up there for my freshman year. We're going up. They were very good that year as well. And there were just guys like, get ready. Like this, this place, the first period, like you're in one and it's like San Jose. Yeah, it's a long ride. I think it's like six hours from Boston. And it is an old school, amazing college, hack college hockey atmosphere. So I just looked up. So it's Justin Poirier, who's also the name of the UFC fighter. I can't believe it. What do you know? Another small sniper that the Carolina Hurricanes drafted.

[D]

Oh, God.

[A]

Holy shit. And also, fun fact, fun fact, quickly away from Maine. Murr, the kid that you beat in bubble hockey at asu, Chris Grando will be suiting up for the Jacksonville Iceman Saturday night against the Greensboro Gargoyles. Bounty.

[D]

Bounty.

[A]

Bounty.

[D]

Bounty.

[B]

I might have to come on the trip now and play him before.

[A]

Don't ruin the kid's day before his big game against Greensboro. But. So Maine is low again throwing on the board boys. Maine's gonna. Maine's gonna.

[E]

Great homework.

[A]

Maine's gonna clean up from the Quebec Junior League too.

[D]

How much we throwing on the board for Greensboro's first dub?

[E]

Oh, we gotta spoil them at least a hundred.

[B]

Yeah, but it close up on this main thing. Yeah, Benny gave us the run of the plays. We're in the coaches meeting after cracking beers watching the video and they did an amazing job, which you'll see in G's video. But as I said on game notes, this is the end for me with Maine. I'm all done with them. Being a super fan. We've thrown the disclaimer in the garbage Because I'm all RPI now. All RBI hockey. I've built Maine up for Benny. Now it's rpi.

[A]

At rpi, I think you got crushed both games.

[B]

I was. We got 30. Let. Let us. Let us mold together a little bit.

[D]

So Benny also does a podcast with Lazarus, correct or. No, No, I think it's a different guy. That's Colby Cohen. Do they look alike?

[A]

Yeah, they do, actually.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

I was going to say, I'm like, fuck, this guy's doing a pod. And he's a college coach. You guys know me. I'm brutal with the names, but I'm like, damn. He's like a pretty knowledgeable, opinionated guy online. That's kind of weird that he's coaching college hockey, too. That's a little bit of a conflict of all trades. Yeah, this guy fucking does it all. Jesus Christ. Benny Barr. How did you guys know him personally? Did you play with him?

[B]

Yeah, he was. He was my roommate at RBI, and then he lived on my couch for 10 years. When I. He was coaching at Union, I was out playing. He would take care of my house and give him rent free. So he. He owes me a lot. So going up there and getting a ton of merch and a bunch of free beers is. Is just a tiny little bit of what he still owes me.

[D]

Grinnell, you're laughing. Did he already mention the fact that they play together?

[B]

No, I just think it's funny that, like, one of the top coaches in.

[C]

College hockey, like, probably the best coach.

[B]

In college hockey, slept on Merle's couch for 15 years.

[D]

Why you laughing?

[A]

With JB coaches at BU.

[B]

Hey, we had RBI, had BU on the ropes down. Down in your building, and you only beat us three. Nothing with an empty netter.

[D]

Was Pandolfo sleeping on your couch?

[A]

Wit. No, Jay Pandolfo. He took me under his wing when I turned pro. Taught me how to work out, talked me how to. Taught me how to be a professional. Taught me how to show up every day. The guy played at BU for four years. He's coached at three. He's been to the Frozen Four every year. So when I hear the best coach, I'm gonna laugh.

[D]

No, I. I understood that. I just didn't know if he'd ever slept on your couch.

[A]

No, he never did. Never did.

[D]

Okay.

[B]

I mean, now's a great time to say it, though.

[C]

Whit. We.

[B]

We had the conversation at the Minihan riggs golf match. BU's next.

[C]

We're doing a Chicklets UFBU.

[D]

You're gonna get access.

[C]

There we are.

[B]

Now.

[A]

The only reason there was. The only reason there was a slight delay is they're going to be doing a big locker room lounge revamping, which actually is crazy to me. I think this is how good the kids have it now because, like, their setups. Unreal at a Ganis. But, you know, with the times you want to get as good as everyone else when the recruits come in and I think they wanted to wait, but I think Chiclets you is so electric. They're like, let's just do it now. And they're going to be able to show off the women's room. The rink I played in Walter Brown arena, that was. That was Fenway Parkish for college hockey. The women have taken over. They redid their room. So it's going to be a men and women's Chicklets you, I believe G. Right, Absolutely.

[C]

The.

[A]

The new woman's fucking locker room at.

[C]

Walter Brown is top tier.

[B]

It rivals any men's room. It's insane.

[D]

That's unreal. Can I. Can I, like, help? Not help. Can I rbi?

[B]

Yeah, we'll take you on. You can be a donor for us.

[D]

Chiclets you to bribe Davenport to do a Chiclets you there. But they have to give me a diploma. So I have a college degree.

[A]

They have a locker room. Actually, we forgot to bring that up that the guys. Did you meet those guys that were coming at you hard when you said Davenport didn't have a team at Chiclet's Cup? You had said the episode prior that Davenport didn't have a team and there was guys that played for Davenport. They were just.

[D]

I think. Yeah, I think a few came up to me, though. I was obviously hanging out with Oldie and the big deal selects.

[A]

They got two teams.

[G]

They don't have one.

[B]

Just one. They got a Division 1 ACHA team and a Division 2 ACHA team.

[D]

So, I mean, I thought Benny Barr was Colby Cohen, for fuck's sake. I don't remember meeting guys from Davenport, but they have reached out a few times on social, so that. Can we dangle the carrot? If they. If they maybe if they make me not the valedictorian, what's the person that gives us all the graduates?

[E]

I think it's just called a speech giver.

[D]

Oh, well, if they make me the speech giver to all the people graduating and give me a fake diploma, but actually a real one that I could put on a wall in my office, we're doing a Chicklets. You there? What's that Merv.

[B]

Hey, Biz, if you want to really get onto a college team, I can talk to the guys to get you one of these RPI alumni jackets. If you really are serious about becoming a donor.

[E]

Gets a jacket. You know what happens?

[D]

I'll donate rubbers and plan B to the, to the locker room.

[B]

I'll talk to them this week. I'll see the president this weekend at the games. We got BC and Providence coming in.

[A]

Oh boy, oh boy.

[D]

I'll get them a massage chair and some rubbers for the locker room.

[B]

And lastly, if we're talking alumni, I did talk to Moncton today about a chick. Let's you Talk to the McDougal family. So shout out to Yan. So that could be getting done as well.

[E]

I heard their better than most NHL arenas.

[D]

We can't call it Chicklets. You if it's. If it's like CHL hockey, because Kitchener Rangers, they have a new facility in locker room where they have a golf simulator in it. So these, I feel like these college teams because now they're flexing saying like, oh, come to our wellness room. Come to our. We got a, you know, we got all this fancy.

[A]

We have rubbers movie room.

[D]

Now we got CHL teams. What'd you say?

[A]

We have rubbers from biz.

[D]

We got rubbers. Now the CHL teams are. See.

[A]

So we need a name for major junior Chiclets. You biz. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Major Chiclets.

[D]

Major. You major.

[G]

You major Chicklets.

[A]

That's still the U. Yeah.

[B]

Like, yeah.

[A]

Let'S give the fans on YouTube and Twitter a chance to give our a name for our brand in which G will be seeing facilities for major junior teams as well as. I mean it's all a feeder system now anyways. It's like you go, at some point there's, there's going to be like junior teams where you go to that junior team, you go to that college, they're going to start working lockstep.

[E]

I think.

[B]

Sure, 100% it's happening. Even just from the college to the next college.

[D]

We should make our own calls.

[A]

The thing about college, if we're talking college, because I hate the trance, I hate how you could transfer every year. But I do love the fact that now you can really, you can go to not as good of a school, not academically, but like hockey, right? And if you trust yourself, you're like, I'm gonna light it up there and then I'm gonna get to a hockey school or something. You know what I mean? Or a big time Program, like, it's changed the fact. And I think it's really big in football where they're going to these much smaller schools and they're like, I'm going to be sick there for two years, then I'm going to end up at Alabama or something. And I think you'll see it in hockey, which is why I don't think in the next three, four years with these rules, there's going to be any bad teams. Like, if you're a D1 team and you're bad in the next three years, that makes no sense to me. You have major junior players. You have ushl, NHL. You have Canadian university players.

[E]

It's like high school.

[A]

It's never ending. HL players.

[E]

Yeah. Do we do a year or two at RPI and then go to Davenport U?

[A]

Like, no, but if you. If RPI is. And Murray, I hope they get back up to where they were when you played there. And Adam Oates and. But if they end up at the lower level, like, dude, you made it up there two years. Yeah. Michigan comes calling. So, yep, the thought, that's what's going on. All right, well, we have San Jose left, and I think we maybe should throw it over to the two young studs on the San Jose Sharks to kind of preview the team with them. Great players, great guys. Will Smith, Macklin, Celebrini. It's time we got to talk about men's league sweaters. Men's league sweaters, Chiclets Cup, Men's league hockey. It doesn't matter. They make the best product. And you know what's the worst? Ordering jerseys for your men's league team, it's just a pain in the ass. Not anymore, though. Men's league sweaters makes it easy. Men's league sweaters makes it fast. And their jerseys are unreal. Just like I said, great quality, awesome product, easy to order. And we've used men's league sweater, I think, for five years now. So it's been incredible. Incredible product. All the guys love them. And the best part is how easy it is to order. They're trusted by over a hundred thousand hockey players. We love them. You will, too. Make your team the envy of the league. Visit mensleaguesweaters.com Chicklets and get 15% off the uniform package. That's mensleaguesweaters.Com Chiclets Guys, we got to talk about Jackpocket. How's over half a million sound to you? Well, with Jackpocket, you can order tickets for Huge jackpots like Mega Millions and Powerball right now from your phone. No lines, no hassle. And our partners over at Jackpocket hooked it up because new customers can download the app and get $5 in lottery credits today. Just opt in and use code PUCK2 at signup. That's P U C K2 at signup. Jackpocket is America's number one lottery app gambling problem.

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[A]

We are now joined by two special guests, friends of the show and if you're watching on YouTube, I know you're laughing because these two clowns are side by side. Well, not side by side, but they're laying down in Utah. There's nothing else to do there. Macklin Briny and Will Smith. What's up, boys?

[C]

What's up? Thanks for having us. Yeah, thanks for having us.

[D]

There's actually no king sized beds in Utah. They make even couples sleep separately. That's how it rolls there. That's how everybody's sleeping there is all actually true.

[F]

Yeah.

[D]

You have to wear your garments tomorrow.

[A]

Leave it, biz. We know you're a young buck in the league tomorrow.

[D]

You don't even get your normal gits. You have to wear garments because it's a Mormon country there. So good luck. You'll be sweating your dicks off in that game. That's why they win every home game. And they dummied Calgary the other night. But, hey, great to have you boys on. Good. Good that you guys are on the road because last time we had you, your guys WI Fi wasn't working. Like, have you guys not figured out how to live on your own yet?

[C]

Yeah, we were. I live at Patty Marlowe's house, so the WI Fi was down that debt.

[A]

Oh, so you're still there? I knew you were there last year. No desire to move out.

[F]

You.

[A]

You like the setup too much to get out of there?

[C]

Yeah, it's kind of hard to move out with that setup. Great family, too.

[D]

Oh, yeah. He's like. He runs a tight ship. I heard. I heard when he played, he would take all of his gear off between periods and take a cold tub. Is that true?

[C]

Yeah, he told us that was true. He said he would do it mostly between the second and third, but he said he would get undressed. Undressed back, like, within 10 minutes.

[F]

What?

[A]

And he. And he'd take a cold tub.

[D]

Cold tub in the midst of the game.

[A]

Oh, my God. I'd be done. I, like, have to go to bed after one of those.

[D]

Are there. Are. Were there any house rules that you had to adapt that were maybe difficult in the beginning?

[C]

Not really, to be honest. They're. They're pretty relaxed. Well, he's with Jumbo, too, so we're either at one of their houses pretty much every day.

[A]

So let me. Let me ask you guys, like, when you get back after a home game, are you. Smitty. Are you just hanging out with Patty and you're with Jumbo Mack, like, talking about the game and, like, what you guys did, how the team played, or. Or is it kind of you're on your own?

[C]

We both kind of live in, like, a separate part of the house, so it's kind of disconnected a bit. But, like, yesterday we were over at Patties, and, like, he was there, so we were just talking about, like, first couple games and stuff like that.

[A]

Macklin with Jumbo, Is he, like, the cook at home? Is his wife doing the cooking? How does that work? Or are you maybe helping out in the kitchen?

[C]

No, I can't cook. But Toba, his wife, is an amazing cook, so she makes dinners whenever they're around. So I don't know how much he gets in the kitchen either.

[D]

I just assumed that you guys were, like, living together where you guys had rented a apartment, where you guys were at.

[F]

With the.

[D]

With the WI fi not working. So I'm mistaken. But. But obviously, then you guys are roommates on the road.

[C]

Yeah. Every trip for roommates. Yeah.

[D]

So who. Who gets the remote? Like, how do you guys decide on who gets to watch what?

[C]

I mean, we've been in here for an hour, and it's still on, like, the. The entry screen for the tv. So I don't know. Like, sometimes we watch a movie, but mostly this is. This thing stays at the same screen.

[D]

And then you guys are just on your phones and stuff. Do you guys consume a lot of hockey when you're not playing hockey?

[C]

Yeah, I mean, like, we'll turn, like, Some games on if, like, we're on a road trip together or some. For sure.

[A]

What's your guys crew on the road for dinner. Like, who else will be with you tonight if it's not a team dinner?

[C]

Yeah, we gotta. We have a team dinner tonight because it's our first away city, but Mac, myself, Ty, Delandria, and sometimes, like, we'll go with the older guys, depending on the trip.

[D]

Have you guys got to spend any time with Revo away from the rink?

[C]

Yeah, he's all the time.

[D]

Is that not the most jacked hockey player you've ever seen in a locker room?

[C]

Oh, yeah. He's obsessed with fantasy football. Loves it.

[D]

That's his thing now.

[A]

All right.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[D]

Does he play for money? Is it like a league where you can win dough?

[C]

Well, we have, like, our team league and the. I would say he's probably leading that one right now. We have. We also have, like, this league one. It's like us, Louisiana, New York, Edmonton. Like, there's about eight teams in it, and it's like, actually a fun league. Like, it's like every team put in, like, a certain amount. Like, however many guys want to join can join on a team. You just split it up, and then whoever takes, they sell in the bag.

[A]

That's in the lead space.

[D]

Who's in the lead?

[C]

We're actually in the lead. Yeah.

[D]

Get the out of here. You two on a team? No.

[C]

So it's like our whole ts. So it's like the Sharks against, like, the Rangers in a weak matchup. It's like. It's actually unreal, but we got the.

[A]

We got the Sharks, we got the Rangers, we got the Kings, we got the Oilers.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Can you guys think of the other teams?

[F]

Y'?

[C]

All Vegas, Chicago in it, maybe? No, Chicago's not.

[A]

We missed the playoffs, guys. But we won our fantasy football league against the Oilers.

[D]

Raise the banner. Hey, the fucking Dolan's gonna have a fucking one at msg. We're fantasy football winners. Oh, my God. Who. So whose idea was it to get all these teams together? And you said that Revo is obsessed with fantasy football. Is he essentially your guys gm, where he comes and consults with you guys the moves that he wants to make?

[C]

Yeah, there are guys that are more active on our team. Like him. Nidalkovich.

[A]

Oh, well, I know what he was doing the first game of the year.

[D]

So that's what he's been doing.

[A]

Those two.

[C]

Those two love it. And then, I mean, they asked, but it's like whoever's A part of the group, like, they just shoot attacks. Like, what do we think about this wire puck pickup? Like, all this stuff.

[A]

So at some point, there's probably going to be some disagreements. Like, like, you know, biz, assistant gm, scouting staff at gm. Sometimes they don't see eye to eye.

[D]

Well, I heard Nadelkovich wanted a. A good quarterback, so that's why he let him. That floater from Michael.

[A]

Michael told him he'd give him Russell.

[D]

And then.

[A]

And then if you let in this flicker from the red line, and then.

[D]

And then they weaseled him. They're like, that's not enough. You got to give us the win in ot. But, hey, on a serious note, he seems like the best guy, so, like, give us. Give him a hug on behalf of us, because that's a tough thing to go through.

[A]

Like.

[D]

Yeah, you know, you guys had that game in hand and. Oh, that was. That was a nightmare. You'd have to take my shoelaces away if I let those two in.

[C]

We definitely could help them out a little bit.

[D]

Yeah, let's get the. Let's get the finger pointing going earlier. No, let's move away from this. We got to be respectful. Yes. What are you guys watching for tv? When you guys do get to watch tv, are you guys just mostly on the apps like the Tick Tocks and the Instagram consume and stuff?

[C]

No, we've started a couple movie series. Like, we like movies. Like, we'll get especially on, like, the long road trips. Like, we'll, like, we watch what, John Wick. That one road trip I showed you American Pie. Yeah. Wow.

[A]

That's how young these guys are. Yeah. Even Smitty. You're young for that. Like, where'd you see that first?

[C]

I think my dad showed me a veteran.

[D]

They see a lot of Stifler's moms out in public, walking around San Jose. That's why they gotta get a hold their craft.

[A]

All divorced. All right. Hey, I think you guys have gone viral, too, with the Halloween costume last year. Are you gonna surprise us? I'm guessing at least if you're not going to tell us the costume, are we going to love it?

[D]

What did. What you guys. What'd you guys do last year?

[C]

No, I was this. He just had a party.

[A]

Oh, that was already this year. Dumb and Dumber.

[C]

We're going. We have a. We're going to New York on Sunday, so we had to have our party early.

[A]

Oh, God. I thought that was an old picture.

[C]

No. Yeah, that was recently.

[D]

I actually went. I was the best Man. At one of my best friend's weddings, Jamie Tardif. He was also drafted to the National League. Not a big deal. We went as Dumb and Dumber at prom. We wore the costumes to prom. Yeah. It was the first time I'd ever gotten drunk, too. I never drank up until I was 18 and I got crippled off of wine. It was awesome.

[A]

Wine was your drink that night.

[D]

Yeah. I mean, it was all obviously downhill after that. That's when. Yeah, that's when. Yeah. Come to think of it, there were.

[A]

Some people that night that were like, this guy's gonna. He's gonna quit drinking at some point in the future.

[D]

Yeah, yeah. No, that. The start of the beginning. Hey, how's. What was, like, the message in training camp from coach? I mean, obviously, you guys are a year more mature. Like, what was the. The message coming in this year?

[C]

I think we have. I think just with the additions we got this summer with on our back end and up front, I think it was just. I mean, take that next step. I mean, I think we showed a stat before we started. We'd lost, like, 17 games going into the third while we were leading in regulation. Like, 25 and no tears. I'm like. It was like something crazy and I think just, like, fit. Which is ironic because it's the first two games, but I was gonna say.

[D]

Nadaljevich is like, yeah, hold my beer.

[C]

We're, like, trying to, like, figure out how to close out those games when we're leading. Just kind of mature a little bit more. And, yeah, I think the expectations are just a little bit higher.

[A]

I gotta ask Smitty. You might know him even better, but Colin Graff, he wasn't drafted. He's from Massachusetts. Like, did you know him growing up?

[C]

He's a little bit older than me, so I didn't know him, like, personally, but I had kind of, like, played against him a little bit, but. And then I played him at Quinnipiac.

[A]

Too, so he's a nice player, though. I've seen some nice highlights at least last year.

[C]

Yeah, he's really good at. It's kind of funny. We're like. We're from, like, 10 minutes apart back home, and we never knew each other, and now we're. Now we're here together.

[A]

Was he kind of a late bloomer, like, not being drafted or like, how did his. I guess if you knew about him when you were younger, he was good then. But, I mean, to not be picked and then look that good last year is kind of surprising for me.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I think he. He went to Union for a year, and then he transferred out of there to Quinnipiac. And then he. I think he just kind of started lighting it up. So that's what happens.

[D]

I just learned when we hop on that. That Khuras, not. Not Russian. He's actually a North American, isn't he?

[A]

No, he's Switzerland, but I. Russia is K last name.

[D]

Yeah, it's kind of a different name. Where'd he come from?

[C]

We got him from Chicago.

[A]

So he's playing on your wing right now, Macklin.

[C]

Yeah, I mean, as of right now, it's me, him, and Skinner.

[D]

Skinner can keep up with you. He's got the good edge work. Does he do any of those, like, those drills before practice? Because he had a figure skating background where that's how he became such a good skater.

[C]

I actually remembered that, like, a couple practices. Then I was like. I asked him, like, weren't you, like, a figure skater when you're younger?

[A]

But yeah, I mean, pretty wild background.

[D]

Oh, yeah. He's awesome skater. So he doesn't. He's not doing anything before practice to, like, continue to work on that stuff. He just gets out there and kind of does the loser laps like everybody else.

[C]

Yeah, I mean, I haven't seen it.

[A]

So you guys were at the. The Crosby skate this summer, right?

[C]

Yeah, in Halifax.

[A]

So I think Macklin, you guys got to know each other a little bit at Olympic summer orientation. And then Smitty, you got the look. Had to be a little nervous getting on the ice.

[C]

Yeah, it was. It was obviously pretty cool.

[F]

Kevin.

[C]

I was with Kevin Hayes, like, a couple days before, and obviously they play together, so he was texting them that I was. That I was coming. So that made it a little bit better.

[D]

What was the pace like? Like, it was a pretty. Was it another gear or was it kind of still in that summer mode?

[C]

I'd say the pace, yeah, it was good. I mean, with, like, the dog out there and Marshan, like, the pace. The pace. It was pretty high.

[A]

Was the dog snapping on anyone?

[D]

Yeah. What's he. What was he doing?

[A]

Give me the puck.

[C]

I think he was pretty mellow. I think he made a couple comments, like he was working on it. So I think he. He kept his temper a little bit.

[D]

What's he doing? Like, breathing and just, like, maybe a little meditation to calm himself down. That's how I do it.

[C]

Oh, yeah. I didn't see it. I didn't see y' all do that. You just try and not snap as much.

[D]

Okay. That'll do it.

[A]

Here's his own ways. Is it true that YouTube play Misa and Toffoli and golf?

[C]

We played them in nine holes. Yeah.

[A]

Who won?

[C]

That was a botched match. That was brutal. We ended up having to call it after nine, so that really didn't. That didn't count.

[A]

Are you the best player, a best golfer on the team, Smitty?

[C]

This guy Ethan Cardwell is a plus one. He's. He's up and down with us. And then besides that, we have a couple Weinberg, Weinberg, Delanger, I think are three and fours too.

[A]

So how's your game, Macklin?

[B]

It's coming.

[A]

I'm working on it, so. It's so horrible as of right now.

[C]

No, no, it's. It's good.

[D]

What's the worst part of your golf game?

[C]

It honestly depends on the day. Like, sometimes my driver's dialed. Irons aren't there. Irons are there. Short game isn't there. Putting, you know, it's a real. It's AKA the whole game. Yeah, something's always going, which helps me.

[D]

I'm competitive, so that's why, like, golf, it just frustrates me. Like, I hit one bad shot and then it just kind of snowballs, and next thing you know, like, my back swings this long and like, my short game's horrendous. My putting's not bad. I would say my putting is probably the. And my driver are the most consistent parts of my game.

[A]

Your driver's been money lately, Biz.

[D]

Not bad money. Yeah, it's not bad.

[C]

What are we getting our sandbagger going?

[D]

Last time we were on where we lost the audio or the. The Internet was all messed up. You guys were getting a little bit lippy about.

[A]

Yeah, very.

[D]

So we. We now do three man scrambles. I love that too, because we'll take like five to eight shots from me each round where him and Yan are a lot better. Who would you guys add if we were going 3v3?

[C]

Does it. Does it have to be an active player?

[A]

Well, we. We think you might pick a teammate. I mean, maybe Nadalkovic isn't going to get the look based on the first game, but if.

[D]

If it was Jumbo Joel, we wouldn't care, obviously.

[C]

Yeah, Pretty good. Yeah, he got a hole in one over the summer. He doesn't. He doesn't like that stuff very much, so I don't know. Yeah, yeah, that'd be tough.

[D]

I texted him to come on the pod and he said he goes, perhaps not sure if you'd Be able to handle all the love.

[B]

Haha.

[D]

And I was like, oh, you're a silly guy. What does he mean by that?

[A]

Is he all positivity?

[C]

He's a great guy. He's just all around a great guy. Like, he just, he's always, he's very low. Bring a lot of laughter to the pod, I think. Think that's what he means.

[D]

But just like, he's just always lovey, like always having fun, happy, giggly.

[C]

Yeah, I mean he just, he has a great spirit, just great Persona about him. Just the way he handles himself. So I mean, I see it around the house every day and I mean that's always brings a smile to your face. So I don't think it was anything too weird.

[D]

Oh, no, no. I just like, I didn't, I wasn't expecting that answer. I was.

[A]

You like silliness biz. I know that's legit.

[D]

When I wrote back, I go, I go, I go, haha, you're silly. I go, you're silly, man.

[A]

We gotta get him on.

[D]

Oh, we would. That's. That's one of our white whales. So you actually have to facilitate that for us.

[C]

I'll try. He doesn't, he doesn't love it too much, but I'll, I'll try.

[D]

Does he tell you like about the like stories from the past? Like you guys like set the campfire up, so to speak?

[C]

Every chance I get, I try to ask him some stories, try to hear about what it was like when. I mean, even like when he was in Boston too. Like when he was younger in Boston, like he was saying he didn't really have it. It was like him in a Russian goalie when he first got to Boston. So you'd have all of his Toronto boys come down and they'd have fun together, go and stuff.

[A]

So we used to go out after BU games. Was this place Dad's Diner. It's not, and it's not called that or there anymore. And like Thornton would always be there because he was so like young. Although he was everyone's age basically. And he was unreal. You'd see his big hair from like across the bar. Just like everyone wanting to hang out with him. But we got to get him on the pod because the guy is just like an all time legend of the game. Like the way he, the way he approached it now, how he is when he was done playing at the end of his career, he's playing fourth line. He didn't give a shit. He literally played until like no team would Take him. Yeah.

[C]

Legit.

[A]

I love that.

[C]

Yeah, him and Potty.

[A]

Yeah, that's true.

[D]

What a duo that you guys get to live with. That's such a treat. Now, what's the best thing about playing in the NHL, would you guys say?

[C]

I'd say the road trips. Just like going to dinners and going to different cities. Like, really New York, Sunday. So we're pretty pumped for that one. And that's it. Stuff like that. Like we're all going to the Book of Mormon on Sunday. Like, stuff like that.

[D]

I actually went to that play.

[A]

It's excellent.

[D]

You've been to that one too, Wit.

[A]

Yeah, incredible.

[D]

It's. It's actually crazy how expensive play tickets are, eh? Did you realize how expensive they are?

[A]

I had no idea.

[D]

What about you guys? Like, did you. Have you guys even bought the tickets yet?

[C]

Yeah, they're like 100 bucks piece. What?

[D]

No.

[A]

They must be going to like the JV Crew.

[D]

They're gonna go see a street performance of it.

[C]

Setting it up so he text in the group chat. Might be 200. I might have read it wrong.

[A]

How much was Revo talking after that goal the other night where he just dangled somebody and sniped? We're loving it.

[C]

And they got the fight, too.

[A]

I know. I want I. After the fight, I'm like, oh, he's gotta somehow get an assist here. I wonder if he has a Gordie Howe in the NHL. I feel like he might. You gotta ask him that for me.

[C]

He's got to. He's got it. Yeah, yeah, we'll ask him.

[A]

You gotta get. Revo tells a great story about, like, he's not that far from a thousand games. And he was. I think he was telling us biz one time, like, yeah, I got into the league, I got one. Imagine if I got a hundred and then I got a hundred. I'm like, imagine If I get 200 and it's just continued. It's so. I'm so happy for that guy. He's an awesome, awesome.

[D]

Oh, he's the best. It's a good, good guy. Good guy for you guys to have around, too. You could talk so much. If he's on the ice, nobody's gonna do nothing.

[A]

Yeah, he's.

[C]

He's brought. He's brought a different kind of energy to our locker room. That's really good. Just like the way he kind of brings everyone up, just talks about trades. He tries to fleece guys, too. Just rip guys off.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[D]

That's on your guy's own. Team's football. Okay, that's okay. So he's. You guys got a lot going on with these football pools. Now. Do. Do you guys put up money for the one that's the league one? Like, are you guys. Does the winning team win a big prize pool?

[C]

Yeah, yeah, there's like a. I don't know if. Did we do it for our team one? Yeah, I think it's just like 100 bucks. AI or something.

[A]

What about for punishment for loser?

[C]

We haven't, like, set our mind on one.

[A]

But you have to fight Revo.

[C]

To locker box him.

[D]

Oh, yeah, we used to. Oh, I got paired up with that Nathan Horton when I was like 13 years old. He was built like a brick house. We were all. We were playing minor hockey at the time, and we used to have the full cages and you'd keep the gloves on. Oh, buddy. That guy beat the out of me. Do you guys remember Nathan Horton?

[A]

Yeah, he was like, he was like 17 when he was 13 too, right?

[D]

He was like 25, like, four kids, a wife. Like, it was insane how jacked he was at 13. He was playing junior B hockey with grown men, like 18, 19, 20 years old when he was 13 years old back home. So, yeah, that was the guy that I got paired up with. Unfortunately, that's probably why I can't read. Anyway, last time you guys were on, was one of you, like, talking with Tate McCray?

[C]

No, no, no.

[D]

Or maybe you guys were shooting your shot, like, maybe hoping to get like a date with her?

[C]

No, I said something on a podcast like when I was at BC still, and then it blew up and became this whole thing, but nothing's come of it yet.

[D]

Oh, man, she's blowing up, man.

[A]

She's your pigeons to her now.

[D]

She's probably like, I would put her in, like, the Britney Spears category.

[C]

I mean, she's like a list celebrity.

[A]

Yeah, it doesn't end like that.

[D]

No, no.

[A]

If she dates this guy. I saw Brittany. Brittany was at one of her dances. Fucking, no clothes. I'm like, poor Brittany.

[D]

Yeah, that's a tough one down that road. That's a tough one.

[A]

Where is he at? I think his. His wife's out of town. He had to pick up the girls. He also said, like, I don't really think they're going to do much this year, so it's not like I'm missing a big interview. I'm just repeating what he said. So it's not. It's just a little disrespect from our guy towards the sharks.

[D]

I thought so, too.

[A]

Dickinson's a young guy, right? Like, what's his game like?

[C]

He's really good. Like, just. I mean, the way he carries the puck and just some of the decisions he makes. Like, he's made some really good plays.

[A]

Little breakout passes.

[C]

Yeah. Subtle things like breakout passes, getting out of our end, which. It helps us a lot.

[A]

Smitty, how much do you love, like, being on the point for the power play? Like, I know you're roaming around, but do you like being up top?

[C]

Yeah, I've been up there, like, a little bit, but, yeah, I think kind of, like, we move around a lot and we've done, like, me and him have switched a lot. Like, going downhill a little bit, too. So. Yeah, just like trying to do, like, everything kind of, you know, see where you're kind of best at stuff like that.

[D]

This one guy's got a different name. Shakir Muka. Muka Moodle.

[G]

And.

[D]

Is that how you say it?

[A]

Is it Muka Medulin.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Say your version Biz.

[D]

I said Muka Medullin. I said.

[B]

Oh.

[D]

I said Muka Madeline Medullin. I think I said it kind of right. What's his background?

[C]

He's definitely from Russia.

[D]

Oh, he's Arushki.

[C]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. We got him from Jersey and the tr. I think.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Timo trade. But, I mean, he's been great for us. He played last year. Separated shoulder at the end of the year. Say, he didn't play the last couple games, but he's been great. Big, big. You lit someone up and he got jumped by Vetrano.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, yeah, that was him. I saw that. I saw Vetrano jump him.

[C]

Yeah, jumped on. Very.

[A]

Such a Springfield move by Frankie V.

[D]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, he's got the greasy tat on him. So I've heard a lot of funny stories about this Mario Ferrero.

[C]

He's. He's the best.

[D]

He's the engine inside the locker room that kind of runs the antics. And he's the jester. And always on. Never a dull moment.

[C]

Yeah, especially on the plane. Like when we're. When we're getting going in the middle of the season. Like, he's always doing something on the plane. Like, there's always something going on.

[D]

What do you mean? Kind of like Andre Wall, where he. He puts the apron on, he's completely naked, and he shoves a cookie up his ass, and he walks up by the aisle ahead. Oh, that's Andre Wa. We had him on the podcast and they. I believe what they lost game six or no.

[A]

Did they lose final. They lost. They could have won in Calgary and they lost game six in the 04 cup final. And then they got back on the plane and then that's.

[D]

Yeah, he. He just like went down the aisle with just an apron, his ass was hanging out. And for whatever reason, he shoved one of those cookies up his ass. And he said it was so. It was so dry that it was like crumbling out of his hoop the whole time he was walking up the aisle. So what kind of stuff is. Is he doing on the plane?

[C]

He like sometimes, like, I don't know, get a loudspeaker, like. Yeah, like he'll get on like the, The. The mic.

[A]

Intercom.

[C]

Oh, yeah, intercom and talk to everybody.

[F]

What.

[D]

What does management say?

[A]

The coaches are hearing it.

[C]

There's usually after we get a W. Yeah, I'd hope.

[D]

Yeah, you get on. You're on a five game slide. He's up there doing stand up. Oh, no. Yeah, you'd be on waivers, right?

[A]

To the Barracuda.

[D]

What about. What about the card table?

[G]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Our plane only has one card table, so kind of brutal. There's only four guys.

[A]

The game, poker.

[C]

They play 13 out, 13 down. Or it's like seven up, seven down.

[D]

I. I don't know. I wasn't a big. I was a. I was a goldfish guy.

[C]

They'll. They'll play gin, Rami, all that stuff. So what'd you say, Biz?

[A]

What game were you.

[D]

No, I said I was a go fish kind of guy. Yeah, that's it. All my cage matches with Nathan Horton. That's all I can process now. Who's at the card table here? I would guess. I would guess the Foley. I would for sure. To Foley.

[C]

No, he said he next to it. He gets in there sometimes he sits next to it, but he's right behind us. He doesn't really play, though. Like, he'll like. Like he plays like once. He just wants to be like a part of the. Yeah, he just wants the banter.

[A]

Is he like super vet? Like, if you guys are in front of him in line for the buffet, he's giving it to you.

[C]

Not really.

[A]

I think those days are over, Biz. Those days are done.

[C]

I mean, last year it's the hotel stuff. Yeah, yeah. Like, you guys like that. We'll wait to get off the bus.

[A]

Oh, classy, guys.

[C]

Did you hear a story about the. The pooping in the toilets and stuff like that? Well, to keep it short, we kept on getting to hotels. Actually, one time in Utah and Our keys would always be gone. You know, like, you get off the bus.

[D]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[C]

Our keys are gone. And then one of us, we get up to the room, and there'd be, like, poops in our. So then we're going to dinner. It's the Landria Mac and me. We're like, yeah, like. Like I was, like a stewardess, like, taking a. In these toilets and, like, leaving her, like, what is it? Like, so then it kept on going on. Kept on going on. And finally we're at a dinner in, like, St. Louis or something. Yeah. And one dinner that Delandra wasn't with us, and then Nicola Sturm starts, like, kind of smirking. We're like, so you know who it is? And, like, we started grilling them. Grilled, like. Like, all over.

[D]

Form apart.

[C]

Yeah. We wanted to know who it was. So then he. He ratted on Deli. We get back to the hotel. He was visiting his family. Yeah. So he wasn't gonna be back for a bit. So when we. I went up to the front desk, and I was like, oh, I'm Tidalandre. I need my key. And she knew we were into something because we were dying. Laughing that. And then we just. We got in his room and just tore it apart. She. She. He's like, hey, I'm Ty Landra. Can I get a key? She goes, yep. She runs in, gives it to him. He starts walking away.

[A]

She goes, do you want to know.

[C]

What room number you're in.

[A]

When you say you tore apart the room? Did you tear apart the toilet or the entire room?

[C]

The entire room. It was bad.

[D]

So then we just move in the mattress and that kind of nonsense.

[C]

Oh, yeah. At breakfast. Because then we were kind of ourselves. Because we're like, he's gonna be. He's gonna kill us. And then we're at breakfast. He doesn't even look at us. Acts like. Acts like we're not even there. And, like, Toph and the guys are texting us, so they're like, you guys are dead. But we ended up talking it out. Yeah. We smooth things over.

[D]

How could he be mad after you guys found out who it was, where there was retribution for him dropping deuces.

[C]

I think he thought we took it a little bit too far. We had other ideas that were way harder but, well, way worse. Yeah.

[A]

Way, way better.

[C]

Like we were gonna have a car towed from the practice rink stuff.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. At least it's like the hotel. I just put a mattress down on the floor and sleep like that for the Night. Yeah, I mean guys were ruthless back in the day. They used to do the. Like they used to put the. The hose that squirts the water in the toilet. Like they used to point it out where when the guy would flush it for the first time, it would start spraying on them. That was one of these to do. I've heard of guys doing the old shit cups where they. In a cup and then they put it like they get underneath the box spring and like they kind of like they. They take. Yeah. And then they put it there so like you could smell it but you're just like, where is that smell coming from? And they do the cup in the box spring. So that was a bad one. Obviously. Flurry had a lot of crazy ones, but maybe not with that involve.

[C]

Heard of the one where you put ice in the toilet and then you take a share on it so when they get back they can't flush it.

[D]

That is another.

[A]

Doesn't ruin your night's sleep. Yeah. Like the shit under the box spring, like it's your line made. He literally won't sleep. One, one second. Hotel sold out. You're stuck in the shit room somewhat.

[D]

Some of the guys used to do the Saran Wrap. Is that what you call the clear stuff? Where then they would either hose or take a shit and like you would think it like there's nothing there. And it would go into the toilet but then it would get jammed up and then you'd be getting piss all over yourself or obviously your log will be getting rubbed against your ass cheeks. Which is not the worst. You just hop in the shower right there.

[C]

But didn't someone come on you guys podcast and like they set up this whole prank thing and there's. He had like a bunch of actors and like something happened and like he ended up jumping.

[A]

Oh, was it Tory Mitchell? Big Money Mitch? Dude, it's an all time story.

[D]

It was pretty insane what they set up.

[A]

He spent money. He spent a lot of money on it, I think.

[D]

Well, the show did. It was a show where all the. All the cameras were set up and they had the whole. In the garage is where they had everything where you could see all the monitors and stuff. And it was a whole planned out thing where they started at the casino at a poker table and Junior and another guy were telling them about this awesome party that they were going to. I think it was Setaguchi and Corey Mitchell and made it sound so cool where they're like, well, we want to come to this. Like we want to get in the mix. You know, young guys, they want to go to this, like, bougie party in. In the, like, the hills out in Vegas, off the strip. And when they got there, it was a party, but quickly turned into some, like, cult event where they, like, people came out with, like, hoods on and stuff. And then they had these shooter glasses that were. Were blood. And then there was this lady who was on the table. It's almost like they. They extracted the blood from her, and her, like, guts were hanging out. So they were obviously getting freaked out. And then, like, something happened to, like, create a panic where Tori Mitchell ends up trying to run out of a window that was on, like, another. And he hit the window and then, like, fell back and then, like, ran to another window and then jumped through the window where the glass broke. And we're talking about, like, this could have, like, potentially, like, severed his arm off, like, how thick the pane of glass was. So they weren't expecting them to freak out the way that they did. And Setaguchi, I think, froze where he. He stayed there, and he's like, okay, I'm dying. Like, I'm gonna end up dead. And Tory Mitchell just kept running, and he ended up in, like, Wayne Newton's backyard, running, sprinting, and next to his horses, and his horses got spooked out. And so he's running in the sky's back. Wayne Newton's backyard. And the. How the horses are, like, galloping next to him, and they ended up finding him miles and miles down the road where they're like, hey, buddy, it was all a plan. It was all fake. Like. And then, like he said, they said by the time they got to him, let's say 30, 45 minutes later, he was still shaking. He couldn't. He couldn't stop shaking. He was so freaked out by the whole ordeal. So they never ended up being able to use the footage because it was so bad. And I guess, is it. It's Doug Wilson, right? Was the gm. He was. He was not happy about it, so it had to kind of keep quiet for a long time. The only junior in the. In the guy who produced it all. Those are the only people who ever saw the footage of it where it never saw the light of day, where we would obviously pay a lot of money to get that footage to see how the hell that went down.

[C]

Do you think one of them still has it? I don't know.

[D]

I don't know.

[A]

It makes Ty Delandra pooping in your toilet seem not that bad, though.

[D]

G wrote Smitty was working with Patrice Berger on this song. That's kind of cool.

[C]

Yeah, it was.

[B]

We would.

[C]

We had this, like, training camp, and, like, by the end of the summer, it's like, all the Boston guys, like, I go a bunch of, like, we all, like, met up, like, McAvoy, and we had two full teams. And then it was just after one of the skates one day, Bergeron came on, and it was like, me, Maddie, Veneers and new book. And we were. He was just kind of like. He watched all of our face offs and was just kind of tweaking a few things just to kind of help us out, which was pretty cool, obviously, because I grew up watching him on.

[D]

The Bruins just out of the kindness of his heart. He watched all your draws.

[C]

I'm in the same agency that he was in, so we've kind of, like, known each other a little bit ever since. I've kind of went to, like, USA and stuff, so it was the first time I've really worked on, like, on the ice. So that was. It was pretty cool.

[D]

If Jumbo and Marlo, do they ever. Do they ever get on the ice with you guys and really, like, help you with all the details of your game?

[C]

No, no, they. They talk to, like, they talk to us, like, probably sit around the house, but, like, Jumbo's around the rink probably more than Patty, but he. He works a lot with the Barracuda and the young guys, like our development camp and stuff that. I think that's what he enjoys doing, like, just. Just helping out the guys.

[A]

Mac, I, I. Your brother, Is it rj? Your younger brother?

[C]

Yeah. Rj.

[A]

I've been hearing about this kid. Is he, like, at your level at the same age?

[C]

He's a stud. He's really good. Yeah, yeah, he's a stud.

[A]

And he just love. He just loves the game.

[C]

Huh?

[A]

Must be so cool when he comes.

[C]

To visit you for a home opener. He was at the games and stuff, and he was loving it.

[D]

All right, boys, we can't thank you enough. I guess we. I guess we can't really ask him any questions, really, about the team.

[A]

Well, we could say if a veteran says, hey, we're going to a sick party from this dinner, say, I ain't going to jump it through a window.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Thanks, boys.

[D]

You guys have a great year. Rip it up.

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[A]

That's the end of all the season previews the four divisions. Thank you guys. I know they're longer episodes. We appreciate you tuning in. Thank you to Will Smith. Thank you to Macklin Celebrini. Thank you to the Stoffman Murr. You've been here. Did you guys see the Kirk Minahan Riggs match at Granite Links on Wednesday?

[D]

Unreal. Genius idea ever.

[A]

It was genius. Incredible. So I was in with Kirk a couple weeks ago. That's when he called or he discussed with Riggs like the shots. He ended up getting four and a half shots. Kind of got screwed in that he went and played a practice round. This is Kirk. I'm talking because Riggs was a member there. I gotta be honest with you. Riggs's swing like looks a little better. He's been playing pretty nice golf like once again not a great looking swing but can get the ball in the hole and at times he's very good. But mini hand went to do a practice round. There's three nine hole courses at Granite. We did a sandbagger with Noah Hannifin and Jack Eichel there. We dusted him. Thanks for coming. Mini hand played. He, he didn't play one of the courses that he played in his practice round. So the first nine was a course he hadn't seen. So he goes out there and he had said on his show that he was basically done doing shows if he didn't have enough fans. Minute fans to his liking showing up. It was a free bar, open bar, 9am on a Wednesday morning. So I was wondering, I'm like, I don't really know what he expects. How many people does he want? I showed up there. There was probably 300 minifans there. It was. I was like, this is unbelievable. And I grabbed a cart because I broke my pinky. I know I've told you guys that 4,000 times. I can't really walk. It's been weeks. It's driving me crazy. But I don't want to talk about me. And I followed this match. Holy shit. There were people. There was a woman, this fucking woman. She was chirping Riggs every single shot. She followed him. She stood next to him the entire match. I can't give away the ending. I don't think the ending has been announced yet. There's going to be a video early next week, I was told. But we have to have fans at one of our sandbaggers, guys.

[D]

Oh, it'd be unbelievable the minute fans.

[A]

Being there and how crazy some of these people are. There was a guy, and I don't know if you guys know Mutt Mike Mutnansky, the guy who never showed up to Chiclets cup after saying he would come. Horse racing aficionado. Just, just a great guy. Salt of the earth. I, I, I was mad at him. I want to hate him, but I can't. There was a guy with a homemade basketball jersey on it, said Mutt Slut. Because I guess the fans of Mutt are Mutt Sluts. I don't know what this guy was doing, but by the 15th hole, I look over, this guy is screaming in the poor car girl's face. Just hurry up. I was like. And nobody was laughing. I mean, it was like. And she, she just, she, she said, get away from me. Calm down. Back up. And I'm like, this is nuts. And all the people are drinking. I think the bar tab, the bill ended up being like $5,600. Once again, this is a Wednesday at.

[D]

9Am Riggs offered to pay for the whole beer cart, correct?

[A]

Yes, yes. Prior.

[D]

Classy move for all the Minute fans too. They're not even his fans. They're people insulting them.

[A]

Ripping on him.

[D]

So just a classy gesture. And. And was it Riggs's idea to have the match? Because to go back for people who don't really know what's going on. There was something called the Internet Invitational. We've already golfed in it. The videos actually are coming out. There's six videos that would be dropping online. It was a big major event, a lot of prize money and Bob does Sports and Foreplay were the ones who collaborated to put it on with Barstool. Minihan was left off the list. Now I don't know the politics involved. Like I texted Kirk when that happened, when I was like, I thought it was bullshit. I don't know who say it was to not have him on, but I think that Kirk is electric. And as far as golf content, I think he's proven that he deserves to be in those types of things.

[A]

Actually, it is proven. Like he's a golf content creator.

[D]

And I thought that coming in now, I would imagine that there was probably a reason why they left him off in a sense of his intensity maybe sometimes with the chirping, like for those of you who don't know Kirk, like Kirk's the type of guy where if, if even I felt like I, I was winning an argument, I would tell him he's right just to avoid conflict with Kirk. Right, that's. Is that a good way to describe it? Because him and his fans are nuts. But like, but I've also never had beef with Kirk, nor would I ever want beef with Kirk. So don't know what it was. That upset.

[A]

I believe it was Kirk is convinced or has been told Bob Does Sports kept him off. Kirk despises Bob Does Sports like hatred to the core. Part of it though was that he believes Riggs didn't have his back. I think he's been told by Riggs, I did have your back. I don't know. All I know is I sat there and I said from the beginning of the Internet Invitational announcement on the unnamed show, I said kirk's got to be in this thing. It was a no brainer to me. So the fact he was left off was a little ridiculous. But that really began his hatred of Riggs. Ok, which brings us back to Riggs's series that he started. Great idea, by the way, the Haters series.

[D]

He's on a fucking heat.

[A]

Yeah, he is. I was thinking that, I was thinking that he's kind of, he's kind of On a heater. Right now he's on a heater. Good for him. They got Adidas.

[D]

He takes so much online about him saying he's a four handicap. We golf with them. When we did the. The, like, it was supposed to be a partly a sandbag or partly on their channel, but because the 27 holes went the way it did, it lived on their channel. Probably the drunkest I've ever seen anybody on a golf course yet. And he could barely stand up. And he kind of has the. He fixed the. The lazy eye thing he had, but it's still kind of there. And was showing a little bit more when he was fucked up. Could barely stand up yet. He was corking it straight every time, so. And probably some of the best short game I've ever seen for a guy that fucked up or really ever, ever seen. Like, Jovanoski was a guy that I've golfed with where he was kind of okay when it came to his driver and his wedges, but anytime around the green, like, he could just fucking make it hop and skip, and all of a sudden it was stopping within 5ft of the hole. So I think that he is a four. Would you agree?

[A]

Yeah, I think right now he said he's a five. I said yesterday to somebody that if Riggs had this beautiful flowing golf swing and shot 90 every time, he wouldn't get chirped the way he does online. Like, it where it's like, dude, it's. How many strokes did it take you to get the ball in the hole? Like, it really doesn't matter now. Part of it, I think, is like, the swing's ugly. The swing's ugly. And people maybe are, like, a little jealous. Like, he's kind of got a hundred percent gig. Like, he's. The guy plays fucking.

[D]

And he's grinded for it. Yeah, and he's grinded for it.

[A]

So. But Kirk made a good point. Like, these were my fans. Like, I think he said today on his show, if Riggs hosts that against someone other person, there's five people who show up. I had 300 minute fans screaming in his backswing. There was a guy coughing in every backswing. I couldn't believe it. I was in the car. So I'd drive up to where their drives, where they're. Where they're. Like, their drives would land right around there. And then I'd kind of walk down the green. I mean, there's a guy coughing every single backswing. So incredible content, though.

[D]

It was awesome, guys or just rigs just Rigs.

[A]

Just rigs.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

There's also some other stuff that I have to save, save for unnamed. There was a guy with a megaphone. There was also a Kirk fan who was talking in Kirk's backswing when he hooked one in the woods on the eighth hole. I think Kirk wants him dead. There could be a chance the guy is dead.

[D]

Was Kirk encouraging them to be rowdy while Riggs was playing?

[A]

No, not while they were playing, but on his show prior he was. He made it clear, like, show up for me. I believe he said that under in his contract, I think the show has to be 40 minutes. We're usually three or four days a week. It's like two and a half hours. So he said if there weren't enough fans there and they weren't being rowdy enough, he would do a 40 minute show three times a week the rest of his career at barstool.

[D]

So what about Rhyme oh? Who's this Rhyme oh guy.

[A]

Rhyme O is a guy, funny enough. I received a text about Rhymo. Rhyme O's a guy. I don't know how he's a Minute fan. I don't know how he came into their world where he's like with them a decent amount or was with them. They drove out to like South Dakota or Iowa or something and he was in the car with like the producer and Blind Mike who's like kind of part of the show. Even though he moved out of the western part of the state. As you could tell, this show you got really. I listen to it to understand it's just madness. That's how I describe it, madness. Rhyme o is like 70 years old. I mentioned him, he said he's, he's lives in Dorchester. There's a nice Mexican place in Dorchester. It's called Chubbs. I asked him, have you been to Chubbs? It's like relatively new. I mean, not that new. And he's. He looked at me like Kirk looked at me like I had three heads. He's like, he eats out of the trash can. Like, what do you mean? Has he been to Chubbs? He doesn't go to fucking restaurants. Well, Rhymo came up to me, said, I, I went to Chubbs. I went to Chubbs on my birthday. Great spot. Like, I'm kind of buddies with him. This guy though, he had medics coming up to him left and right. Like, like, he's like, I didn't know there were so many hills at this course. He's walking the whole thing. He was dying. I had to Get a picture of him. And then I got a text last night.

[D]

I love this shit, man.

[A]

It was the picture of me and Rhymo with the message, dude, I grew up next to this guy. Literally for 20 years. He lived in his mom's basement after his mom passed away. That's. Oh, I'm laughing. He ran an extension cord from a utility pole to his house and somehow got free electric. I'm not joking. He was awesome. Just a little bit crazy. So that's kind of a great explanation of Minute fans. They're awesome. They're just a little bit crazy. That's how I describe Kirk. He's awesome. He's just a little bit crazy.

[D]

Riggs had his Rory McElroy moment. I saw where he had a couple sunk a big, sunk a couple big ones and was like, you back to them by the end of the match. Was there, like a mutual respect between the minute fans and Riggs and Kirk? And, like, was it, was it essentially a happy ending to where moving forward, he will be included on in all the golf content?

[A]

I think Kirk's now looking to, like, create golf Kent content on his own. Like, I, I, I don't know where that'll go. I know he's mentioned that there was enough good shots by Riggs where, like, you know, by the seventh hole, minute fans are like, I didn't know he was like, this good. You know, one of those things. And I was like, dude, let me tell you. I know, I know. I got dusted by him in the Ryder Cup. Now, granted, I was a 30 handicap, but, like, sometimes the guy's good. They got up on the first hole where that was Minahan's half shot, right? And it was. So if with a half shot in golf, if you tie the hole, you win. They both pumped their drives in front of like 300 people. That was pretty impressive. Right down the middle, like, you know, Riggs lays up and then hits a wedge to like 10ft beneath the hole. I'm like, oh, shit. Didn't even have to putt it. They get to two, I drive to the back of the green. It's 217 yard, par three over water. Riggs hit it to two feet. I'm like, jesus Christ. Like, it was, it was impressive golf. And then Kirk's battling back. It ended up being a hell of a match.

[D]

Good.

[A]

I think the fans by the end, while still chirping and were like, I don't really understand how this guy is that good right now with his swing looking like that. But if you Go back in the history of golf. There's guys with really ugly fucking swings that are very good golfers.

[D]

I don't know golf. I don't follow golf. But from playing with rigs and then prior seeing all the hate that he gets for saying he's a four handicap, I was like, oh, this guy's fucking unbelievable. Like, this guy.

[A]

So people don't understand handicaps. When people hear four handicap, a lot of people think that, okay, you shoot 76, right? That's not how it works. Your handicap is your top. Your best eight scores from your most recent 20 scores. So it's kind of like the best you can play, in a sense, not the best, because that would be like the three best scores of your most recent.

[D]

Right, Right.

[A]

But they take the eight best, so you have bad rounds that get thrown out. Right. So they take your eight best of your most recent 20, and that's your handicap. So when you hear somebody say, like, I'm a four handicap, it does not mean they regularly shoot 76 to 78. It's that when they're on, they shoot, you know, 74 to 78. And when they're off, they still shoot 86, 87, like so many other golfers do. So the handicap thing and the Internet has never been connected correctly because I don't think people understand, like, how it's actually, like, calculated.

[D]

Where would we do our first live one? I think doing a 3v3.

[A]

You know where we need to do our first live one with fans is Cabot Links.

[D]

Okay. Because how many people you think would show up?

[A]

My buddies went there and said that night. They went like, there's like a bar in, like, an old, like, fire station or something. I'm probably that up in cabin, and it was jam packed. So, like, you know, all those people that were there that night would be coming out.

[B]

You had 10 buddies at the last one with the Bruins Wit following us around.

[A]

I had a couple buddies. I had a couple. But.

[D]

But how many people you think would show up if we announced that we were doing Crosby McKinnon?

[A]

They might be too.

[D]

Marshawn.

[A]

I think they'd be too famous to like. Like, we'd almost have to do a live one.

[D]

I think what you're trying to say is they're not prepared for those bright lights. They've played at the top of the hockey world, but they're not ready for those bright lights. That's what I would tell March anyway, if I talk to him.

[A]

We can't. We can't ask fans to Come when we're not going to be the ones rooted for. Like if we go to Cabot with fans with those three. We'll.

[D]

We'll. I don't give a belly of the who shows up. They could drive over me with a Volkswagen Beetle like in Happy Gilmore. If they. If those three guys decide to play us and they're allowing fans there, I'll let. I'll let them fucking do whatever. They could throw shit at me if all they. If for all I care. As long as we can get it on video. I know who else if we couldn't get those guys? And where else would you do it?

[B]

You guys still. You still got to get one with the Kachuks. The three Kachuks.

[A]

Fans with the Kachuks. Keith, Brady, Matthew versus Biz Wit and Yance with fans. Open beer cart. Matthew and Brady can pay for it.

[C]

That's.

[A]

That's entertainment right there. That's my idea.

[D]

I feel like you have.

[B]

Well, it's my idea, but you can take it as always.

[D]

Yeah, yeah. Just, I. I feel like you've established a connection to the minifans already. So me and Kirk versus you and Yan's. Wouldn't make sense if we invited people. If he wants to get.

[A]

I should. I'm stealing another idea. I saw it on Twitter or something.

[G]

Something.

[A]

Me, you, Yans and Kirk versus foreplay and Francis.

[D]

Francis is fucking unreal. I know, but so is Kirk. Okay, so I see the tr. Yeah, Yeah.

[A]

I think Kirk said he'd do something with us. So that's just a thought. That's just a thought.

[D]

I like that one.

[A]

And I think Francis has made it openly clear, like he's petrified of Kirk. Francis wrote a blog. Francis wrote a blog today just crushing Pat Beverly. Did you read that book?

[D]

No.

[A]

It just reminded me Francis is another guy. You don't really want to get on the bad side of somebody who can write that way.

[D]

Oh, he's so funny and intelligent. Yeah. You don't around with those guys.

[F]

Oh yeah.

[D]

No.

[A]

Great episode.

[D]

That's awesome. I'm glad that all went well. And. And shout out to Riggs, man. Like, it's hard. Like he did the. I think it was a 25k match against one of his haters. Like he's pumping out a lot of good stuff.

[A]

So another series, because he's got the hater series that he just plays people who talk him all the time and then he does another one that's like a different video series of just $25,000 cash matches. I'm like no wonder he's paying for the bar bill.

[B]

He also all that money that when he wiped you guys up in the writer cup he had a bet it on one game for everybody on the other page and he and he picked the Cowboys and they crushed whoever they beat.

[D]

The Jets. No.

[B]

What's going the Jets. He won everybody 10 grand, right?

[A]

Yeah. He won another 10 jersey.

[D]

Jerry was doubting it and it fucking hit. So right now he can't fucking miss.

[A]

Yeah, peaks and valleys. He's in a peak. Showed out. Rigged. Showed out. Kirk, great day of content. We'll finish it off with there. I want to remind everyone breast cancer awareness merch that we have for sale. All the 47 brand hats, hoodies, shirts, please check it out. Let's buy some ladies some wigs. Love you guys. Merles, love having you on. Thank you so much. Thanks to all the guests. We had season previews done. We will be back to you Monday for our first live Monday of the year, 2 o' clock Eastern. All of us will be together too. That makes it even better in New York City. We'll see you then.

[C]

Love you all.

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