Spittin’ Chiclets Episode 589: Featuring Tripp Tracy

Summary

Spittin’ Chiclets Episode 589: Featuring Tripp Tracy

October 20, 2025
Hosts: Ryan Whitney, Paul Bissonnette (“Biz”), Rear Admiral (RA), “G” (Mike Grinnell)
Special Guest: Tripp Tracy

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Episode Overview

This jam-packed live episode sees the Spittin’ Chiclets crew recapping their adventures as minor league hockey team owners, breaking down the early NHL season, debating hot-button team and player storylines, and welcoming Carolina Hurricanes broadcaster Tripp Tracy for an in-depth Canes discussion. The episode also includes the long-awaited announcement of Rear Admiral’s return—and plenty of the crew’s trademark banter and irreverence.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

1. The Gargoyles’ First Home Game & Sabres Minor League Adventures

(00:41–11:00)

• The hosts dive into their experience as owners at the Greensboro Gargoyles inaugural home game (ECHL).
  • Ice issues: Humidity, puddles, and a left-open Zamboni door led to a messy rink.
  • Atmosphere & crowd: Over 11,000 fans, impressive for minor league hockey—“The building was rocking.” (Whitney – 03:03)
  • Mishaps & mascot antics: A record for people-on-an-ice-mat, weak-sounding goal sirens, and club-level hilarity abound.
  • Whitney’s “ownership high”:

    “It was such a natural high. I would probably put it on par with like, having your first child born. Although I've never done that.” (Whitney – 08:02)

  • Team performance review—praise for grit, talent, and the community’s appreciation.

Memorable Moment

• Whitney jokes about “threatening a ref’s life” (for disallowing the Gargoyles’ first home goal) and later monologues about his over-the-top reactions as a new owner—taking away players’ sticks, demanding accountability like minor-league Sutter.
  • “After the game...I took all of their sticks away and gave them wood sticks, kind of like Sutter did back in the Red Deer Rebel days. So I definitely probably have to start taking Xanax before I show up.” (Whitney – 08:23)

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2. NHL Hot Topics: Oilers, Leafs, Player Contracts & Early Surprises

(11:00–28:38)

• Oilers Start & Bouchard Drama

  • Discussion surrounding Edmonton’s rocky start but noting comparable struggles in prior successful seasons.
  • Host finger-pointing over defensive issues, especially Evan Bouchard’s turnover-prone, “hungover-looking” play—

    “I think Oilers fans ... understand you’re going to get... six to eight regular season games a year where you’re like, the guy’s crippled. He’s definitely been drinking. But the playoffs, he is so, so dominant.” (Whitney – 14:39)

  • Heated debate on whether Bouchard’s $10.5M deal is reasonable or inflated ("he ain't a ten and a half million dollar defenseman without Connor McDavid." – Whitney, 18:01–19:01)
  • Noting eventual acceptance of the contract due to restrictive cap, offer sheet risks, and timing.

• Leafs’ Team Grit, Goaltending & Culture

  • Toronto’s lack of physical response after Stolarz was run prompts a discussion on team toughness and culture.
  • Bissonnette gets reflective:

    “I would be out of line to not take some form of accountability because ... I’ve been jerking.” (Whitney – 26:34)

  • Eddie Sutter’s coaching mantra—“If your goalie got touched and there wasn’t a fucking melee ... oh my God, he would have lit into you.” (Whitney – 31:35)

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3. Around the League: Standout Teams, Players & NHL Trends

(28:38–51:24)

• Ottawa’s Shane Pinto Contract Year Exploits (35:24–37:58)

  • Praise for Pinto’s fast start and negotiation leverage, speculation on his upcoming contract.
  • “That’s going to be the going rate for a quality third line center in the league.” (Ryan – 37:21)

• Red Wings Rise & The Iserplan (43:35–49:47)

  • Fawning over Detroit’s patient rebuild, breakout youth (Emmitt Finney, Sandin Pellikka), and veteran blends (Larkin, Patrick Kane).
  • “So much on those four, there’s four guys that are under the age of 22 ... Wow, are things ever coming up.” (Whitney – 48:28)

• Sabres, Habs, and the Next Generation

  • Buffalo’s emergence, Josh Doan’s impact; Montreal’s Cole Caufield vs. Alex DeBrincat for Team USA Olympics; the difference in skillsets and tenacity.

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4. Interview: Tripp Tracy on the Carolina Hurricanes

(51:24–66:10; Recurring through 74:00)

Key Insights

• Hurricanes’ hot start *despite big names (Svechnikov, Ehlers) not producing yet; praise for the Jordan Staal–anchored checking line (“magical”—Tripp, 54:12).
• The “Rod the Bod” training camp effect—pushing team fitness and buy-in.
• Blockbuster trade analysis: Dealing Necas for Keandre Miller (and others) as a calculated culture move.

  “The Hurricanes did a heck of a job... You get Stankoven and you get Keandre Miller and you lock him in for the long-term ... the Hurricanes came out of it just fine.” (Tripp Tracy – 63:43)

• Behind-the-scenes tales: How Carolina’s scouting excels at finding NCAA impact players (Poirier, Nadeau, Serato—70:13); Tripp discusses his personal relationships with players, team travel antics (Jarvis wanting Danny DeVito to play him in a movie—58:56), and Hurricanes wedding stories.

Notable Quotes

• On Svecnikov’s adjustment to a fourth line role: “His attitude’s been good. The game’s just a work in progress...” (Tripp – 59:33)
• “I develop personal relationships with the guys and I have a close personal relationship with Marty Necas. Can’t wait to see him ... but ultimately, the Hurricanes did a heck of a job [in that trade].” (Tripp – 61:48)

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5. Rear Admiral Returns!

(106:28–111:19)

• After much speculation, the crew officially announces RA is returning as a weekly mainstay on the new Friday “RA’s World” shows, to be recorded Thursday.
• Format: RA drives the discussion—hockey or (more likely) whatever weird, hilarious, or infuriating topic is on his mind.
  • “We want him to be him, and he will be that. ... We’re a whack pack. Like, everybody deserves a second chance, and this is his chance to return and blow everybody out of the water...” (Whitney – 110:14)
• Monday shows may feature RA via Bruins or other segments, but Fridays are his domain.

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6. Odds & Ends, Entertaining Tangents, and Ad Reads

(Various, esp. throughout 51:24-94:15, 111:39–close)

• Neilander’s Back-checking & Accountability:

  • Discussion of using the media to hold teammates accountable for effort (esp. in Toronto), with panel agreeing it’s justified.

• Mascot Wars:

  • Discussion of new NHL mascots (Tusky vs. Gnarl vs. Gritty); Gritty described as “new money from the TikTok era, piece of—no morals, no values...” (Whitney – 105:28)

• Gambling PTSD & Merls’ Bonus Bet Heartbreak:

  • Merls recounts (amid much static) losing a $29k parlay in gut-wrenching fashion; crew pokes fun, then acknowledges his contributions to the pod.

• Hockey Skills & Injury Discussion:

  • On player awareness, head injuries (Heedle): “You should be able to understand where everyone is, and you should also be able to brace yourself when you need to.” (Ryan – 101:00)

• Brad Marchand's “Innovator” Fines:

  • Bruins’ agitator fined for helmet antics in the penalty box after a physical altercation vs. Buffalo.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On Owners’ Emotions:
  “I wanted to murder him. ... I'm signing Donald Brashear to our team to murder that guy who just touched [our goalie].” (Ryan – 06:03, 08:02)
• On Minor League Atmosphere:
  “The character of the barn ... what we've been able to be partly in creating. ... You were born to be an owner.” (Whitney & Ryan – 09:57)
• Tripp Tracy on Hurricanes scouting:
  “The amateur draft is what (Darren Yorke) spoons with at night, and he’s doing a heck of a job.” (Tripp – 71:21)
• On the return of RA:
  “He is a specimen, and we want him to be him ... The warthog is back and he's got his own spot.” (Whitney – 110:14)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Greensboro Gargoyles Recap & Ownership Banter: 00:41–11:00
• Edmonton Oilers Early Struggles & Bouchard Debate: 12:25–19:01
• Leafs Team Grit & Locker Room Culture: 26:09–34:10
• Shane Pinto’s Breakout, Red Wings’ Rebuild, Sabres/Habs: 35:24–51:24
• Interview: Tripp Tracy on Hurricanes’ Start & Team Culture: 51:24–66:10 (plus scattered cameos to 74:00)
• Mascot Wars: 104:05–106:28
• Rear Admiral Returns!: 106:28–111:19

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Tone & Vibe

• Language: Outspoken, hilarious, sometimes R-rated, deeply passionate about both hockey and self-parody.
• Energy: Electric, frenetic, friendly chaos—typical of Spittin’ Chiclets, balancing hockey insight with banter, big personalities, and inside jokes.

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For New Listeners

Even if you missed the episode, this summary covers the chaos, hot takes, inside stories, and memorable moments—including debates over contracts and player value, minor league shenanigans, deep-dive guest appearances, and the promise of more off-the-rails Friday episodes with the return of Rear Admiral. The Spittin’ Chiclets crew remains an absolute must for hockey fans who love the game just as much as the culture and comedy that orbit it.

Transcript

[Whitney]

Hey, Spit and Chiclets listeners.

[Ryan]

You can find every episode on Apple podcasts, Spotify or YouTube Prime. Members can listen ad free on Amazon Music. Me and Ryan have been officially welcomed to the jungle that is barstool sports.

[Whitney]

I brought it towards the coyotes and I asked them if it was okay if I joined the Spit Chicklets podcast full time.

[Ryan]

Ryan, Whitney's got a Pink Whitney out there now.

[Whitney]

Sandbagger.

[Tripp Tracy]

Get that on camera.

[Ryan]

The song man is a full time member. Marley just got from Chris.

[G]

Whoa, we're buzzing right now.

[Ryan]

What is up? We are here. Sorry for the delay. Biz has been erasing and adding things to his Toronto mate beliefs. This guy's been changing it. We had to wait for him to delete and erase and. But hey, we'll get into that.

[Whitney]

This is going to be giving you every excuse in the world about this Bouchard performance the other night. He should worry about his Edmonton Oilers.

[Ryan]

Hey, I just wanted to start on time and you had the eraser out. But let's save it. Let's save it. First, let's talk about Pink Whitney Biz. Don't, don't, don't get in the way. All right?

[Whitney]

I just wanted to tell them why we were actually late because we were on the phone with the echl. They're trying to find me for threatening a ref's life for disallowing a goal against the Gargoyles. But we'll get to that after the Pink Whitney.

[Ryan]

Tough, tough. First L for the gargoyles. Well, two Ls, but an amazing night. Pink Whitney, Keith's got the big bottle in person. We're live again. We haven't been live since the playoffs. Pink Whitney, it's always with you. It doesn't matter where you go. Just bring it with you. Go to the liquor store, grab some, go to the local bar, have a shot. You know, it's just a great tasting drink that we had a lot of the other day in a sandbagger that'll be coming out, I believe early December, with none other than. Interesting. My wife, Paige Sporane. My wife Bisson at where this thing goes. What happened on this?

[Whitney]

A lot of you people ask, how can you play 18 holes with a boner? It was the hardest thing I've ever did. I still have a headache.

[Ryan]

And what will come from that? And the clips, I cannot wait. Everyone's. But we have another one even before that. So exciting times. We're getting stuff done and we're in New York. We are back in New York.

[Whitney]

That.

[Ryan]

That we might bring a goal to the Rangers. The Rangers play right across the street tonight. Can they score a goal at. I don't know. I do not know.

[Whitney]

I would go but Dolan's got me banned.

[Ryan]

But another. Hey, I'll tell you we almost had a nightmare scenario of the Gargoyles getting shut out in the first ever game we were at. Now Biz has a good point. What ended up happening was the Jacksonville Iceman. Solid team. They had a one nothing lead pretty much throughout the second period into the third. Gargoyles tile it up. Now the arena is incredible from 1955. I guess they have the ACC basketball tournament there some other college basketball. But hockey hasn't been there in forever. But it was unreal. The atmosphere was incredible. Cool old building that doesn't really look or feel old it but it.

[Whitney]

But it had the right parts of like where the character was needed. Like the upper bowl. Like when you walk out it looks like the old forum where the Zamboni comes out. How big it was and it's got that like rusted metal there. So just the feel the barn and they closed off the top top with tarps so it didn't look like it was empty. Where it's saying that there was just over 11,000 people there. They brought the energy. The building was rocking.

[Ryan]

There was an issue before the opening puck drop. I don't know.

[Whitney]

Let's get to the ice condition. So. So not good. Yeah. To the players on the team and we have not met them because we were pressed for time coming from the sandbagger after the game we had to get out of there because we had like a close to two hour drive. But apparently the night before they left the door to where the Zamboni comes into the arena open.

[Ryan]

It's not. That's not a good move.

[Whitney]

Not ideal for a place. They're worrying about stuffing the merch shop with Doyle dolls rather than closing the Zamboni entrance. So the humidity and heat got in there where there was puddles all over the ice all game long. Which I don't think benefited us because we were skating all over.

[Ryan]

Yeah, we're skating.

[Whitney]

We were trying to complete know scene passes and stuff. And it was working against us nonetheless. All our fault. But to open up the game they sang a beautiful national anthem. There was a bunch of people out on this black tarp on the ice. Well then they go to remove it and start the game. But because of the. How wet it was and the humidity people on. And there was nine thou all. All 11,000 were actually on that mat at one time. We set a Guinness World record for most people on a mat on. On an ice surface. And then so they go to remove it. And the delay. The game had to be delayed and there's like black marks all over the.

[Ryan]

So funny start. Funny start.

[Whitney]

Also, another thing people pointed out was how weak the siren was. Like, the siren looked like a pencil.

[G]

Posture was like this in class.

[Whitney]

We're working on it. Eh? Just like the power play. We're working on it.

[Ryan]

It'll come actually.

[Whitney]

Yeah, we got Yan's and Jarvis's buddy running it next game. A lot of in and out.

[G]

Jarvis is playing.

[Whitney]

But also there was probably about a thousand people there with, like, strong merch presence for the canes. Whether it was jerseys, sweaters, ball caps where, like, they looked red and were obviously purple and black. So we are affiliated with the Carolina Hurricanes and the amount of support that Kane's fans show to our organization and they hate you.

[G]

They hate you.

[Whitney]

Not anymore. I am going to be spewing the most. The most Carolina Hurricanes propaganda on this podcast. Tulsi is the most handsome man in hockey. Matthews is going to Carolina Austin. We'll talk about that later.

[Ryan]

82 and oh, this year, Brenda Moore.

[Whitney]

Coach of the year. Best fans in the league. Second best mascot other than Doyle. But any Caroline Hurricane propaganda, it will be spewed on this podcast. That's my fourth team now, so thank you to you guys for your support. Any other takeaways from that game?

[Ryan]

Just the fact that we're losing one nothing. Yes, actually, we. We are the owners. We're losing one nothing. Goal scored to tie it. Places going bananas. And I look over and what do I see? I see Pasha going like this and I wanted to murder him. I thought he was doing it on his own. He ended up telling me he saw the ref do it. That's why he was doing it. But he'd be that guy, you know, to like, ruin a good moment and scoring our first goal as a franchise. They ended up calling goaltender interference. The ref goes in. Took about a minute, minute and a half looking at whatever. I didn't know they had replays in the. Never explained why his mic didn't work. It was. It was left. The door was open the night before.

[G]

But.

[Ryan]

But the ref and busy. You made a good point. I thought you may be a little aggressive with how you said it, but like.

[Whitney]

Well, I said I'm going to have his family kidnapped.

[Ryan]

The league should probably just allow that goal. Like it's 11,000 people like, who care to bust the nut, just make it 1:1. But they tied it up nonetheless. Late goalie pulled right? They tied it up.

[Whitney]

I believe goalie pulled.

[Ryan]

Yeah. Goalie pulled and then lost in a. In overtime. Actually, there was the kid, Red Savage, who scored.

[Whitney]

I didn't.

[Ryan]

The Michigan State kid. Yeah.

[Whitney]

So we, we were pumping this up. The seven minute overtime of three on three, which is awesome. I want the NHL to adapt it, but they scored with I think, like a 130 left. So if it would have been five minutes, we actually would have went to a shootout, which nobody would have been able to accomplish because of how wet the ice was. So probably better that it ended in, in, in overtime. But an incredible game. And I was just blown away by the people and the support and also, like, people coming up to you and say thank you for bringing this team to my community. That was like one of the more like, powerful words that everyone's. Any, anyone's ever said to me. But I was like, no, like, thank you for supporting it. Like, it's an honor to be here. And like, and also, like, feel that you're part of something.

[Ryan]

Like, you were obsessed with being an owner. Oh.

[G]

And play in the third.

[Ryan]

I hit the hotel. He's like, this is addicting. I see why Jerry Jones is the way he is. I'm like, dude, like, it was, it.

[Whitney]

Was such a natural high. I would, I would probably put it on par with like, having your first child born. Although I've never done that. I would assume those are the types of like, endorphins that are pumping through your body when you see someone tap your goalie. And immediately you're like, I'm signing Donald Brashear to our team to murder that guy who just touched them.

[Ryan]

But you wanted guys, like, traded too. I'm like, I think you're like, you could be an emotional.

[Whitney]

That's the problem after the game. I'm like, half these guys won't be on the roster tomorrow. You know, I, I actually went down the locker room because they only scored a goal in our home opener. And I took all of their sticks away and gave them wood sticks, kind of like Sutter did back in the Red Deer Rebel Rebels days. So I definitely probably have to start taking Xanax before I show up. But to the players, to the coaching staff, to Andy Kaufman, like, here, I'll read out some of the names. I know you, you on me for the thank yous. I'm gonna go to this, this.

[G]

Get ready all 11, 000 people who are at.

[Whitney]

Every single person's getting a thank you.

[Ryan]

Except for the Zamboni driver in the ref.

[Whitney]

Yeah. So Andy Kaufman from Zoya Sports who. You know, and obviously there are so many people that had a hand in putting this night in this team together, whether games, game ops, this, that and all of the above. Like we just have a small portion of this. So really the thank yous for bringing it to Greensboro should be thanked for from to Andy Coffin from Zoya Sports. Scott Einhorn, he's also from Zoya Sports Sports. Joe at OVG for making the connection for us in the first place. That's Joe. Joe Giardino and yeah. And then like among all the other owners and people that made this a possibility. So I hope that everybody who's in the chat or who's listening to this podcast at some point gets an opportunity to go watch a Graham in Greensboro. And I was just so fired up at the like the character of the barn and, and what we've been able to be partly in. In creating.

[Ryan]

Yeah, you were born to be an owner.

[G]

The.

[Ryan]

The.

[G]

My biggest surprise was how good the talent was. Like they were great, great players. I don't know like the one game we went to in Orlando, I think we were too drunk that I don't remember too much of the game. But this game like unbelievable plays being made, guys working hard. The goaltending was amazing. Both teams.

[Ryan]

I think the coast you like the goalie that was playing for Greensboro, I think he's 5th rounder, 20 year old Russian kid. He looked phenomenal. And then who was the goalie from Jacksonville that shut him out on Sunday. And I think he's like a big time pro.

[Whitney]

I think the point you're making is, is, you know, they're like basically the fifth and sixth goalie of each organization are playing in the coast and in some cases the third guy because they want that guy playing night in, night out at the coast level where. Yeah, in net there was some, some huge, huge, huge talent.

[Ryan]

But a great, a great night. Pretty cool to be down there. I'll definitely be back. Looking forward to that.

[Whitney]

Anything else stand out for you? G. He doesn't have a mic right now.

[G]

I want to thank our Uber driver that drove us too. So thank you to him.

[Ryan]

Oh yeah.

[Whitney]

Oh yeah. Vanessa from Big Daddy.

[Ryan]

Oh yeah. That was crazy.

[G]

Can we put up the picture?

[Whitney]

Yeah, I think we can do that.

[Ryan]

And for. Yeah, there's probably a lot of young listeners who haven't seen Big Daddy. Big Daddy's an all Time. Adam Sandler movie. And then there's a very, very attractive woman that he's dating at the beginning of the movie that ends up leaving him for just an old balls type of guy. Like a 65 year old guy who had a 5 year plan. And Sonny had no plan. Sonny was Adam Sandler. He had no plan. He was lost in the wind, boozing, gambling, watching the Rangers. Well, he ends up getting a kid. The kid isn't his, but the woman, What, Christy. What's her name? Christy Knowles. Christy Knowles. Oh, my gosh. Came up very friendly. Her husband, Lloyd, he actually figure skated in five different Olympics. So we got to chat with them. I believe they were associated with Zoyer because Lloyd, we're in the box for the gargoyles. Zoyer owns the Iceman as well. So Zoya on both teams. Well, the iceman went up 1 nothing. Biz is having a complete conniption, losing his mind. And Lloyd's cheering because Lloyd's like, well, I'm with Sawyer, so I'm happy for either team. Christy Swanson. What a. What an attractive name. Awesome person. But yeah, I mean, going back in the day, like, I remember the girl who left Sonny in Big Daddy, like, complete smoke. So it looks beautiful to this day.

[Whitney]

But do you not want to almost like, just go like, buy players now.

[Ryan]

Kind of like, yeah, oh, I want to go grab European players who could get out of their contract and be like, for. Forget the ahl. I want to dominate the. The East Coast.

[Whitney]

Yeah, we'll pay you under the table.

[G]

I want it to be like, we'll.

[Whitney]

Take care of your family.

[G]

Where we get guys from the NHL if we can get some.

[Whitney]

Well, the way that the oilers are playing, McDavid might ask out.

[Ryan]

Well, I'll tell you right now, we can get into the Oilers if you want to. Is that where you want to go from here? You want to go for the Oilers biz? You want to start talking about the oils? Let me get something straight before I. I'll let Biz, because I know what you're going to say. I believe I know what you're going to say about one guy. But not. Not a great start, not a horrific start. May sound crazy. They were one in four two years ago. They lost in game seven in the cup final to start the year. They were 2 and 4 last year. Right now they're 2 and 3. Okay, so it's been a tough goal in this road trip. They beat the Rangers to start. But what does that mean? They can't even Score at home. And then the Islanders game, the Bouchard game, which really hasn't stopped there with Bouchard. That was ugly. And then Detroit kicks their ass as well. So I'm not panicked by any means. Like, it's not the start you want. They play Ottawa tomorrow night. They. They beat Ottawa. They go home for a little bit. We're fine. Once again, it's better than the last two years start. Last two years we went to the Stanley cup final, so not a big deal if you want to go into one player in particular.

[Whitney]

Well, we're not. No, no, we're not. Just fucking glaze. Oh, but you're talking about Bouchard.

[Ryan]

Well, I figured that was the guy that you were going to come at me for.

[G]

The Islanders game was.

[Whitney]

So we got a text early in that one from Merls and me. Yeah, we're going to get Merls on later about another bet as well. And, yeah, he's going to break down that Edmonton game and what he saw. But early on, you know, and sometimes when these Western teams early in the season come out east, that's their time to really create that new team bond. Like, maybe they tied one on, maybe they went, maybe they did rookie party. Because most coaches, they want it done in the first, like, 10, 15 games. And then let's get back to business here. Get it out of your system. Whatever you need. So perfect, maybe opportunity for them. Merls goes, boys, turn this Edmonton game on. I think Bouchard might be drunk. And, you know, the text kept coming in. Oh, my God, another turnover. Oh, my. Oh, my God. A turnover on the power plan for a shorthanded goal where literally every time he touched the puck, he was giving it over to an Islander to. I guess I wasn't watching the game at this point, but the camera. The camera pan to McDavid getting off from a shift onto the bench. And I think he, like, mellowed over. He goes, what the fuck is Bouchard doing out there?

[Ryan]

I think. I think I saw what is Boosh doing? Or something similar to that. But I had the game on. I had. I had it on a little bit late, but Merles was already on it. And it was one of the worst games he'll ever play in his life. Like, I'm talking Bouchard to a tee now. I think Oilers fans, on a whole, they understand you're going to get, I said, six to eight regular season games a year where you're like, the guy's crippled. He's definitely been drinking. But the playoffs he is so, so dominant. I don't think most of the fans are like that worried about it because every year he does this. Now this start for him. I'll give it to you. It's ugly. He's got no points. I think he's minus five now, three of them. Respect to you. Empty net goals against two shorthanded goals.

[Whitney]

Or no, the Yan special.

[Ryan]

Yeah, Yan's even more than me. Two shorthanded goals completely his fault. But like this is Bouchard. This is what? And biz. You can bring up the contract. You can bring up the contract. Okay, okay. But I'm not worried about the team, about the player, about anything that's going on. Hyman's not back yet. Walman's not back yet. If they get trounced by Ottawa, I still won't be worried. I'll be more frustrated than I am currently. Okay. That's right.

[G]

No, and going back say Boost wasn't drunk. He just had a bad game. You can't be good for 82.

[Whitney]

No. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think people take anything I say seriously, guys.

[G]

Yeah.

[Whitney]

He might have been hungover, like really hungover to the point where he would have blown where he as if he was drunk. But he like it was. He didn't wake up and crack a beer. That was from the night before. Wow. Morning of very early. But going back to before we talk about his salary, I would be more worried if one they weren't putting him back out there and if he didn't continue to try to make those plays.

[Ryan]

Right, Exactly.

[Whitney]

I kind of love that about him where he's like, I don't give a a. I'm just gonna keep slinging it. And that's the mentality and attitude you have to have in order to be special. Where Yan's I would say like, yeah, like as many games as where I'm like, oh, this guy just like wound up for a clapper and then like went behind the back. No, look back door to his own guy where it's like, oh, that was like a massive pizza. Oh, there's another one. Like.

[Ryan]

And then some nights they happen a bunch and those are the nights that are.

[G]

But. But usually it was the coach like tapping around the shoulder like you're done for the the night. The fact that coffee kept putting him up.

[Ryan]

Oh yeah. He goes out there for comedy reasons.

[G]

It was unbelievable. But maybe also cough was like, all right, listen, I wasn't. I was an offensive guy. I'm sure I did it like not as Much, but he's like, let me let this guy play through this or at least sweat it up.

[Ryan]

I think there was like Oilers fans that night at least, like, okay, you got to pull the plug right now. Like, this is. This night's over. Like, he continued now he would have been happy, but poise and his patience with the puck. I think that's why he's so good in the playoffs. Because the playoffs guys get even more tight and the time and space gets less and less and he doesn't. He has no.

[Whitney]

He makes the plays. He does make the plays. He has no pulse. He's alligator blood. But my concern though, for what he's providing you overall in his game, that I still think that ten and a half is too much. And the reason and all the caps going up this and that, like, he's. He's not poor defensively, he's solid, but he's not like, he's not shutting you down. He ain't Chris Ponger, where all of a sudden you're getting 75 points, but he's also cross checking you and hard to play against. So I just. And there's a tweet that we're going to bring up and it was a great point by, by Scotty Upshall and he goes, I'm curious to know if McDavid ended up coming to his decision in the summer. Does that affect what Bouchard has maybe the balls for asking for or even makes him think about, you know, and I know he got term guys, but maybe come off that ten and a half number. It's not the like, oh well, Darnell's making nine and a quarter, so I'm better than him and I put up more points, so I should make ten and a half. It's like, what are we doing collectively as a group? Like, okay, Bouchard ain't a fucking ten and a half million dollar defenseman without Connor McDavid. He's not. The reason that he gets to have 80 points a year is because of Connor McDavid. If you take him and dry Seidel away, Bouchard's maybe a 45 point, 50 point.

[Ryan]

I disagree.

[Whitney]

Offensive defenseman, dude, he's playing.

[Ryan]

I'm not saying 80, but you're any team, you're going to have some studs pull it up.

[Whitney]

How many power play points of those points that he's gotten are on the power play?

[Ryan]

Right?

[G]

But he's the guy doing it. You can't.

[Whitney]

Like, he's the guy doing what for.

[Ryan]

For. He has a fucking 100 opening up shot.

[Whitney]

Okay, so constantly at.

[Ryan]

In the playoffs.

[Whitney]

OK, so are one third of his points, secondary assists that you're paying him for?

[G]

What is a reason why a offensive guy who's going to get you some points on power play is getting paid more than a defensive guy who's.

[Whitney]

Let me ask you this. If I gave you a pie graft, okay, what percentage of the SEC success of that power play as strictly as a result of Bouchard if he's not on it?

[G]

I. It's a different power.

[Whitney]

Do you think it's 80%.

[Ryan]

I think, I think he's like 30% on why that power plays.

[Whitney]

Yeah. So 26 of his points came on the power Play. Of his 67 total points. I'm just saying like going back to the, going back to the tweet, seeing that dry. Seidel's making 14 and Conor's making 12 and a half. Does he now say I think like I think I think for that nine's my number.

[Ryan]

Okay, so listen, can I tell you something?

[Whitney]

Listen from. Sure.

[Ryan]

Let me at least explain what happened because I saw Upshol's tweet and I was like, wow, that does make sense. But then I went and looked. Bouchard signed on June 30th. OK, sure. McDavid couldn't even sign then when he signed. So listen, so listen, hold on, hold on. About the upset in terms of what he makes. I. I get. I love if the guy made less than 10 and a half but they got crushed by fans and media when they lost Broberg and Holloway to offer sheets.

[Whitney]

Right?

[Ryan]

You agree with that?

[Whitney]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

Okay. They. Ken Holland, he did not play that correctly. They could have signed him through the year. They got screwed. They lost those guys. Big huge hit. Bouchard's coming up. Okay. There's noise that he's going to get an offer sheet. There's noise everywhere. There's noise about Carolina being a big time option. Carolina told Edmonton that they weren't going to offer sheet him. Okay, then what happens? Ekblad signs in Florida. That was, that was an option for Carolina. Then who was the other signing? Then Dobson got traded to the Canadians. Then all of a sudden Carolina's telling Edmonton there is definitely a chance now that we could be signing Bouchard and you'd have to get ready to decide if you want to sign him or you want your four first round picks. Four first round picks would mean it's over 11. The Oilers had no chance whatsoever but to do any just to sign him. They had to sign him then. So, like, I can't get mad at the number because he would have signed a bigger deal with Carolina possibly if they offered him and he's not going to go to Edmonton and they say ten half. Yeah, I'll give me less. So it's kind of a moot point. I, I wish he was making eight, dude. 100%.

[Whitney]

Yeah, that's. I guess that's the point I make. I'm just saying, like, this is.

[Ryan]

But the playoffs, when you're that good and if he does it again this year, it's like, I don't care about the game on Long island in October. When you have 15 pizzas and you're just completely hilarious out there.

[G]

You're that bad.

[Ryan]

That's where I'm at right now. The Oilers overall. McDavid said before the year he was going to shoot a ton and score more. He's like passing up shots from the middle of the slot. No goals. No goals. So weird. And then Leon.

[Merles]

No goals.

[Whitney]

No goals. That's an ad.

[Ryan]

Sorrows Leon. The other night was like, I have to be better. Kind of put it on himself. So we'll see what happens in Ottawa tomorrow.

[Whitney]

I also think, like, you know, it's. It's a long year and it's a slump to start the season. You gotta imagine the, the mental grind and, and how it emotionally depletes you a little bit. Like Conor all summer having to think that, talk. Think about that, talk to his family. How is it going to be received when he's taking this, you know, you.

[G]

Know, getting asked every day.

[Whitney]

Every day. So I just. You have to factor in the fact that maybe he's a little bit emotionally drained at least to start the year. So things are going to turn around. I'm not saying it's like, you know, trade. My biggest concern for Edmonton is this constant, all this constant turnover. Like new players in and out the door. Oh, we'll see if this guy works on the fly and sub this guy out. Like, it's just like a lot of movement for a team that is trying to build towards a certain goal. Like, I feel like I think the.

[Ryan]

Same for your team as well.

[Whitney]

And we can transfer over to Toronto. If you want to talk about Toronto.

[Ryan]

Before Toronto or before we get. And. And we got a shout out. Detroit. Carolina. There's Buffalo. Buffalo, you guys. Good for you guys. We'll get to Buffalo.

[Whitney]

I got my mascara bag ready here. We'll be giving you the double wrister gluck luck. 3000 to the red Wings. And to the Carolina Hurricanes. Colorado out west. Winnipeg keeps marching on. There's some teams that have done some really, really good. Seattle. I don't think they have a regulation loss yet.

[Ryan]

No, they're buzzing there, but so there's.

[Whitney]

A lot of teams where we got to go double wrist or two.

[Ryan]

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[Whitney]

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[Ryan]

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[Whitney]

What a read by a wit. By the way.

[Ryan]

It was. It was. I'm sweating. I'm sweating.

[Whitney]

By the way, this sheet right here, that's a live ad read. I have not read it yet.

[Ryan]

So this could be a four hour show.

[Whitney]

This could be a marathon.

[Ryan]

This could be big time today. I can't wait till you get to that. I'm already highlighted on this outline ad.

[Whitney]

Comes support me when I pick up the paper. Don't be like, oh, here we go. Support your teammate. Yeah, I have a hard time reading.

[Ryan]

Okay, I'll support you.

[Whitney]

I have a hard time reading out loud.

[Ryan]

I will bite my tongue. I will not say a word as you're reading that.

[G]

You got it, biz.

[Ryan]

But you have to sponsor. You announced on Twitter last night there's a state of the union. So we're getting The Edmonton, Toronto stuff out of the way. I got to tell you, we're giving up shorthanded goals and we're not playing the best, but we're not. Not sticking up for each other in Edmonton. You got your goalie getting run. You got guys not doing anything about it. You got your goalie calling out the team and the effort of the team and the media. My issues are absolutely nothing compared to your issues.

[G]

Yours can be fixed.

[Ryan]

Mine can be and will be fixed. His. I mean, you're basically as. As big of a up as the Zamboni driver for the Gargoyles right now. Like, you. You've. Your team's, like, flooded with just negativity and not sticking up for one another.

[Whitney]

Agreed.

[Ryan]

Okay. That's all I want.

[Whitney]

And this isn't even necessarily just at least focused. This is a good hockey conversation about, like, what? It's like a locker room, locker room. Like your, you know, camaraderie, like going to bat with your boys. I think that I would be out of line to not, like, take some form of accountability because I've been jerking. I've been.

[Ryan]

Who would have guessed it?

[Whitney]

And I haven't been doing much reading of the Bible, a lot of palms, not a lot of psalms right now for this. So. So accountability is first and foremost what this team needs, and it starts with me.

[Ryan]

So wake up, Biz.

[Whitney]

I know. Come on. I know. And, you know, it's. I'm coming on a public platform and laying this out.

[G]

Didn't call you out. You called yourself.

[Whitney]

I called myself out.

[Ryan]

Yeah. He's getting ahead of it.

[Whitney]

For every. For every pointer. Pointing or was. What's the saying?

[G]

Every finger pointing at you or you're pointing, there's two pointing back.

[Whitney]

Exactly. Exactly. Thank you for cleaning that up. So that was first things first. Now let's go through what happened and what's been happening. So this is a game against Seattle where everything kind of hit the fan. But I would say this season, first of all, Stolars has been their best overall player. That's. I don't think anybody's denying that. He has been facing a lot, too. Way too much traffic where guys are getting their bumps in on them. So in that game against Seattle, Mason Marchmont ends up coming in and steamrolling him over. He still makes the stop, and I believe it was McCabe in front of the net.

[Ryan]

I think that one was Carlo.

[Whitney]

That one was Carlo. Excuse me. That one was Carlo.

[Ryan]

And he looks.

[Whitney]

And he looks as Mason Marchman's, like, buried over him. And then obviously seeing none of his teammates after like a split second or doing anything, Stolars kind of pushes him off and freaks out himself and essentially has to handle his own business.

[Ryan]

We can run the video. Apparently I'm being told, do you want to run it?

[Tripp Tracy]

Wow.

[Ryan]

Do you want to run it? I didn't know we could do that.

[Whitney]

This is, These are the.

[Ryan]

No, no.

[Unnamed Player]

So, okay, overtime, you can't let someone beat you up the ice there and you know, gets a clear cut breakaway. I mean, minute left, you know, you want to be on the ice in that situation, you got to work hard, got to work back and cost us a point there. So, I mean, at the end of the day, it's like I said, it's early. We do have, you know, some, some time to gel, but I mean, at the end of the day too, it's. It's more or less just about working hard. And you know, just when we work hard, the results come. You saw in the third period and you know, we can't play for 20 minutes, 30 minutes, we gotta do it for a complete 60.

[Tripp Tracy]

So was it overtime play that left you frustrated to smash your stick or was it.

[Unnamed Player]

I mean, it's just, it's just overall, I mean, you know, how many time points are we going to leave out there? You know, being here last year and, you know, seeing the team we had and seeing how far we were able to go and the potential, like, the potential is there. Like we have the skill, we have the grit, we have the grind and you know, it's just frustrating that, you know, we just can't put together right now.

[Whitney]

So I think everything that he said is completely fair. The chat's buzzing right now. Oh, he threw Nylander on the bus. Oh, the media is trash. I think that everything the media was asking him in this instance is completely fair. He showed frustration on taking the collision. He showed frustration on the. The Lazadaisical maybe non effort slash back check from Nylander in overtime. So this guy's been your best player to start the season. He was fifth in Vesna voting and he took an extremely team friendly deal. So he puts his own nuts on the line for the sacrifice of the team. And he's saying not only am I getting ran and nobody's doing anything, you won't even back check for me when we're fucking in an overtime situation. And mind you, like, I love Nylander and I. His knee, his laid back approach, I think plays into his favor, which is a positive. But when you're Walking in like you're on the. On the Met gal or red carpet and maybe you're not getting as done much offensively and then now you're not doing the little details of the game after this guy just got ran. Fucking. Why not use the media as a tool? We can all keep each other accountable. I just finished telling 600,000 people that I've been jerking. And when I said I would.

[Ryan]

Do you not think though, like being in Toronto, you gotta know, like, why would I even like open this up to the madness?

[Whitney]

Okay, so, so I see the. That one I don't even care as much about because the, the other topic at hand was the fact that he got ran and nobody did something. And that's an even bigger problem. So I think that him doing this kind of just creates a little bit more like team self awareness. This is a story. Even these guys who don't pay attention to it, I'm sure have heard it about it to some degree and it's a perfect opportunity for even Chief Barube to address it. So McCabe saying in the media, like, oh, you know, we didn't do anything because we thought that, you know, they were. We were going to go on the power play and we could hurt them there. And, and getting two points hurts more than, than addressing something there. Yeah, I guess I kind of get that. But if you're the Toronto Maple Leafs and, and you should 1000% based on your team be in the top three for the Atlantic, you shouldn't really give a fuck about whether you give a point away, but yet kind of establish your culture in the season to tell everybody what you're about. Like when I want a Calder cup with the. Not a big deal with the Manchester Monarchs, Stutters had very few team rules. But if your goalie got touched and there wasn't a fucking melee to ensue, oh my God, he would have lit into you.

[Ryan]

He didn't.

[Whitney]

Wouldn't have cared if you lost that game 8:1. He would not have given a fuck. But if he would have pulled up the video where there was a scrum in front of the net and two of the forwards on that line swung away and we were outnumbered in a pile, buddy. His fucking wires would cross and he would lose his mind. So in this instance, he would have had this on video maybe between periods, if not the next day before practice, to know you were going to be having a battle practice. And he would have stopped the tape and he would have looked around the room, he would have reround it around it is, how you say it, rewind it, played it again, stopped it, looked around the room. And that might have happened five or six times. And he would have calmly said, if I ever see you not stick up for your fucking goalie, I don't, I can't even tell you what's gonna happen.

[Ryan]

Because I, I, it's non negotiable.

[Whitney]

It's beyond my control at that point.

[G]

So where did Stolars come from?

[Whitney]

The Florida Panthers.

[G]

Wow. What would they, what would have happened in a pile in front of the.

[Whitney]

Net there if, if it would have been a game where it would have been deciding playoff positioning for them as opposed to a wild card or maybe even home ice. I don't even think they would have given a, it would have been a.

[Ryan]

Full on playoff playoff.

[Whitney]

We're going to kill that. Or we're going four on four, who gives a fuck? And then now we're going to, we're going to take the food off their plate.

[G]

And it's, he's saying it in the media and you know, he was part of Florida where I don't think a lot had to be said in the media.

[Ryan]

They have guys like, there was no media.

[G]

Yeah, that's true too. But like, maybe he's like, okay, this is how I got to get to them. I'm trying to think because usually you don't hear a goalie calling his team.

[Ryan]

Out and then Toronto making it even bigger of a story, it being there.

[G]

And, but he's saying, like, he's saying it too. He's like, we have the guys here. He realizes the potential that they have. They can win, they've got enough talent. But it's that one fucking thing that you need to win. And you've seen with Florida, you've seen when Vegas won, when Tampa won, they have fucking dogs that come in there and act up when something happens.

[Ryan]

I think a lot of Leafs fans too thought Carlo, when he came over would kind of be like one of those stay at home, like tough in front of the net defense. And so it being him, it was almost like a bad look that it was him to give me, give me.

[Whitney]

A little bit more radco gutas in him. If I could get, you know, sprinkle a little 15% of the Radco powder on them. I, you know, you know what I'm saying? And, but now the fact that this has happened, I think it's a really good opportunity to kind of address something like that early. It's a big wake up call. For the locker room. And I think that Carlo McCabe Riley, who, you know, some people have been, he, he seems to be the new punching bag early.

[G]

He's been good this year.

[Whitney]

He's been solid. He's putting up point. Yeah. You know, you get burned here and there. You're playing 22 minutes a night. Tanev, the Frenchie, I'm forgetting the Frenchie.

[Ryan]

Benoit.

[Whitney]

Benoit. Like even, you know, Oliver's got some snarl to his game after going down to Florida to play. So I think to a man, it's a perfect time as a call out. And even that forward group, like we're gonna get to the fashionista stuff later. And for anybody who's listening being like, oh God, they're talking about Toronto again. Talking about Toronto again. This is a hockey conversation about a little bit of a bump in the culture and getting that. And if you want to call them soft and rag on them, do so. I love this about sports, but I'm going to defend my team and I know that Chief is going to right the ship. And they have the guys in that locker room been a little bit disappointed in Dakota Joshua so far. You know Roy, he's going to, he's going to figure out what's going on. Lawton's coming back. Lorenz can bring that physicality. Although he left that game against Detroit with the concussion. Concussion protocol. So to a man, fucking grab a fucking sniffer. Stop jerking your dicks.

[G]

He's talking to himself.

[Whitney]

And let's go here, let's go. Wakey wakey, eggs and bakey. Toronto Maple Leafs, baby.

[Ryan]

I do want to bring up another guy that plays in Ontario because Shane Pinto leads the league in goals right now. Seven goals already. What? I know. What a move by this guy, just to light it up right off the start of a contract year. He makes 375 now. And this was coming off the parlay.

[Whitney]

I think he makes less than that. I think he makes that over the two years he signed. I believe he signed a two year deal, didn't he?

[Ryan]

He makes you think he makes less than 2 million a year.

[Whitney]

I think he makes 1 8. I remember. No, am I wrong?

[Ryan]

You're incorrect. All right, so.

[G]

Well, no, he 40 game suspension went to 170.

[Whitney]

Oh, okay.

[Ryan]

Yeah, so the parlay lost and he just caught fire this year. Like he great guy too when we had him on, like he just always laughing, always smiling and I mean if he could end up to produce like this, like, I assume they're going to try to sign him pretty quick. Here because like the longer he goes then you're risking him. Could say he has 25 goals by like, you know, like January 1st. I mean that's kind of crazy to think but you never know. And Brady's out, he's getting more playing.

[G]

So how does more, more impressive for him for his contract negotiation. Doing this while your best players out, your leaders out. He's the guy showing up, stepping up, putting the team on his back. So shout out for him anyone who's doing it in their contract year.

[Whitney]

So did Elliot Friedman not report that they're in an eight year contract negotiation? Yeah.

[Ryan]

Oh really?

[G]

Well he get eight.

[Whitney]

I think that you, they're probably offering.

[G]

Him six and a half. He wants eight.

[Whitney]

I think if I think that eight time eight would be a perfect deal for him. And you know, you know we talk about oh sometimes get the guys, they got the keys handed to him after their entry level that he went through the tough situation, the adversity, missing half a season, played on a very team friendly deal on that bridge deal. What do you don't think?

[Ryan]

All right, 37 points, 35 points two years ago.

[G]

What are you done for me lately.

[Ryan]

League it's exactly 70 times 8. Like I don't know, I hope he gets that.

[Whitney]

That's going to be the going rate for a quality third line center in the league.

[Ryan]

And is he not second line center right now actually. So okay, yeah, I mean just to think of him making the same as Jack Hughes is crazy. I know you can't look at it that way, right? The money's changed since he signed that.

[Whitney]

I would also think he's crazy though if they've offered him the, you know, seven and a half and they're staying firm and he doesn't take it. Like I, I, I think the Shane Pinto as of right now where we all see him is a third line center on a bet on himself. Bet on yourself. But I see him as a third line center on a Stanley cup winning team. He goes oh yeah, he'll bet on himself.

[Ryan]

I didn't even catch that.

[Whitney]

The fans in the chat did. The fans of the chat. Dude, Yan's is one of a kind, isn't he up.

[Ryan]

I'm just like yeah, yeah you're right man. He's not signing anything. He's going to wait the whole year out. No, it's just his parlay loss and I got myself to go with the.

[Whitney]

Count and I'll tell you like fuck that cousin's trade. Oh, that was a great trade at the Right. Time for that Ottawa team. That was a. That's a win right there.

[Ryan]

Oh, it was two and four. Played six games and they got the Oilers tomorrow, so I don't think they play tonight, do they? God. Pinto parlay. What a.

[G]

What a guy.

[Ryan]

What a guy.

[Whitney]

You tell him the worst joke ever and he's gonna be laugh for you and just be a dude.

[Ryan]

Makes you feel so good about yourself.

[Whitney]

And then they got.

[Ryan]

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[G]

Biz all these in the chat.

[Ryan]

Oh, oh, no way. Gotta go, gotta go.

[Whitney]

Busy, busy. He wants to go to the Olympics and represent some planet so bad I could see him.

[Ryan]

Oh, he's. No, he's Bob Sled.

[Whitney]

No, after. After Chicklet's cup talk, it said that they want him as their third string.

[G]

That's a no brainer.

[Ryan]

The Habs.

[Whitney]

We could go. We're going to talk about the cardiac kids.

[Ryan]

Cole Caulfield goal. Caulfield 10 playoff goals. Now, which is tied for the most in Canadiens history? Which Overtime. Sorry. Playoff. Well, that's it leads into. He's Tied with Patrick Ready has 10 overtime winners for the Canadians and Howie Morenz. Now I don't think they had overtime then. Correct. When did he play? The 50s. So that had to be all playoff overtime goals. The HUD he played in the 20s, so maybe there were ties and then they got rid of him in the 50s. Or am I making all of this up? I think his 10 goals, I'm guessing if they're overtime goals for the Canadians were all playoffs. Now Caulfield has 10. The play Hudson made, the one against, was it Seattle or Nashville where Hudson saved the empty netter. I think that was the second comeback they had.

[G]

Fired it.

[Ryan]

Yeah, fired it up to Caulfield who buries the tying goal, then gets the winning goal. And then the game before that against Seattle was the game I think we talked about, we'd already talked about was the Demidov game. So the Canadians, dude. Now the Rangers went in there and they took care of him on Sunday or Saturday. Surprising to see that. But the Rangers can't play at home, so I think they're fine on the road.

[Whitney]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

But I don't know. It led into a discussion where you guys kind of thought I was crazy even to bring up for the US Olympic team. Would you rather have Cole Caufield or Alex DeBrincat? You guys immediately. Are you crazy? Cole Caulfield. And I was like, I don't know. I'm not saying I've made my mind up for either one. They're smallish goal scoring players and maybe to bring. It's a little bit more physical. I don't know if you still feel the same about Caulfield being the long.

[Whitney]

No, I didn't think you were crazy for bringing it up. I just wanted to hear what you had to say. Where I feel like they're kind of like very similar players. But you said that and I, I agree. He even looks a little thicker on the ice to bring it. Probably just more developed because he's been, you know, trucking weights longer. But you seem to think he's got a little bit more grit to his game where he's willing to go like win a puck battle in the corner where I don't not think that about Cole Cockfield. I think Cole Cockfield would lean more to like a. A, a pure sniper standpoint rather than also a worker be. You're saying that the brinket could score 40 also if they're going to consider bringing Patrick Kane. Don't they play on the same line?

[Ryan]

Yeah, I mean they have. They They. I think they are right now.

[Whitney]

So if, if you're. If you're looking for a guy who might be a little bit more versatile. I don't think especially the way that the four nations look that Cole Caufield is exactly a guy you want in your bottom six. Like he's not. He's not being used appropriately there where the brinket you might be like no, he's got grinding capabilities and if not we know Larkin's going and he plays setter where they can kind of play that bottom six together and just you have that. That already built in chemistry. So now that giving it more thought I guess the brink it would make more sense. But there might be people in the chat or you guys who think no, no, no. For top six high end skill. I think that it's far and above Cole Caulfield.

[G]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

I just, I. I'm interested to see if it plays out if either one of the guys makes the team or.

[Whitney]

Or even both. I don't probably see both making it especially because they're both undersized. But what is. I mean what is to bring it.

[Ryan]

Has the most fights on the wings in the last three seasons.

[Merles]

Wow.

[Ryan]

That's true. The Wings right now though, guys, since the call out.

[Whitney]

That was the chat that just said that. I'm interested to hear if that's in fact the case. And also like since we're also talking about the Wings, like wow. Very, very impressed with what they got going on. They won those couple games without even Lucas Raymond. We talked about how he's probably the. The biggest offensive dynamo on this team. This is it. Emmett Finney.

[Ryan]

I looked seventh round, I'm like oh my God.

[G]

Of course, the new Datsu.

[Whitney]

Two goals, three assists. But also how he plays away from the puck. There was a clip that I was able to break down on the broadcast last Wednesday. We have the Red Wings and Sabres on Wednesday night. It's the only game on TNT that night. I'm so excited to watch because Buffalo is also came out of their hole a little bit as being the laughing stock of the league. Banging out two in the row. People are raving about Josh Stone. But I'm gonna break down this tape that we had on this Emmett Finney kid and how he was playing away from the puck and covering for his teammate. And you talk about a 20 year old. I believe he's 20, maybe 21. Just how intelligent and how he can see the game and be reply relied upon this early in a do or die season to all of a Sudden be playing on a top line. Highly, highly impressive.

[Ryan]

He skates like the wind.

[G]

Just, just, you can tell like he was the captain of his junior team. You can tell he wasn't named captain just because he was the best player. Like, he's responsible, he's making the right plays. Like he's. I think it was his first game. Was that the second game of the year? Did he play in the first game?

[Whitney]

Yeah, I think it was the second.

[G]

Game of the year. I watched him play and just like the little plays outside of the blue line, inside of the blue line where, you know, you're 20 years old, playing your first handful of games, you're like, let me try to toe drag a little bit.

[Ryan]

Well, he's playing with Larin and Raymond, so it's like, obviously they like playing with them, right? And I asked somebody like, how'd this get going, the seventh round? And they said he barely played his draft year. I looked, he played in all the games, but maybe his ice time, his draft year was his points. Like, it was like, I think it was like 35 points. Nothing crazy in the WHL, but I think it was more like the, oh, that's not okay.

[Whitney]

Playing junior in the dub.

[Ryan]

So his draft year, he was drafted in 20, 23. He played 64 games, had 35 points, and then the playoffs in 14 games, had 7 points. But maybe the team was really good. He was playing. Maybe the guy meant he just didn't get much ice time.

[Whitney]

Well, yeah, his last, you know, because you're looking at like the whl, if you're drafting a top six player, you're looking for him to be at least at like a point per game. Right? Some people, they play the game the right way, so it's hard for them to like, like not cheat, but, you know, loaf a little bit. You know, all of a sudden you got 160 point guy in junior. Like, to me that doesn't mean fuck all because I don't know how that's going to translate if he's cheating for points in Junior. But some guys, like, they'll, you know, they'll go a point a game where you're like, oh, wow, like Mason McTavish, okay, this guy is going to be a bulldog in front. You know, he's going to be useful in other ways where at least he might hit and be valued. Be valuable to me as like a third liner. So. But going back to him, Marco Casper, I believe is 21, they got the second defensive pair at least when I was watching playing together where one's 21. One's 20.

[G]

That's crazy.

[Whitney]

It's crazy. And so there's so much on those four. There's four guys that are under the age of 22, 22 and younger. And then also what Larkin's been able to do, 11 points so far, losing his lineman, as I talked about. And then Showtime coming out, swinging out of the gate to make his bed bid for the Olympics. They, they did address goaltending because if Talbot's not playing well, they're going to another guy who has starting potential. And, and it feels like they're challenging each other. And Gibson got to go in. I believe he was one of the. He had the two. One win.

[G]

Yeah.

[Whitney]

The other night. So goaltending competition all of a sudden. So there's so much to be said about remaining patient, but they're starting to see the results of the ISER plan pay off. And I was, I was wrong. As it looks coming into the season, saying it wasn't quite time. This team's looking like a playoff team, boys, and, and, and, and also being tested with, with injuries and battling through it. So another good signing, Mason Appleton. He's a fourth liner to start out the year. He gets a clutch game winner, gets bumped to the first line because Raymond's down. He gets two against Toronto that night. So JVR had one jvr dude, that's another office or what I doofy. I think that Detroit from the fan perspective has maybe been criticized about the lack of. Of free agency they've brought in. People say, oh, Showtime. Okay, that's fine.

[G]

He's also. Stevie's been clear that he wants to develop his guys too.

[Whitney]

Yeah, correct. But I would say that they were maybe like Tarasenko, man, maybe it looks like, you know, that's not. They're looking for a little bit more in free agency. It might be hard to draw them there just because of how hard it is. And also not many guys are going, but I think that's been a knock. But with bringing in JVR and the guys that he has, I think that he, he's. He's done a better job than I guess most, most people would give him credit for. Like, even like Ben Sherratt sometimes gets criticized. Well, guess what? Cider's gotten to play with the same guy a few years in a row and he gets to focus a little bit more on playing where I never see Sherrod back away from guys, you know, getting guys faces, even if it's heavyweights. He's there to Stick up and stand up for his guys and that alleviates that pressure off of cider as well. So I like a lot of things that they've done and, and wow, are things ever coming up.

[Ryan]

So we're about eight minutes. I think Tripp Tracy's gonna join us to South Carolina. They are just crushing teams. They look amazing. I think Jarvis has four game winning goals already and they have five wins. That's kind of. Yeah. Chicklet's bump. I love that kid.

[Whitney]

What do you. What do you think about the Wings?

[Ryan]

I love them. I love them. I mean, I think that, that if they can get this play from the young guys all year, they're in the playoffs, no question. I also think it's so early, but if that's Sandine Pelica, like, like he's playing 20 minutes a night. Like, I, I didn't even, didn't even think he necessarily be in the NHL this year. I thought he might start in the minors, but, like, they threw him in. He plays great. So if they're able to have these young guys plays well, like Emmett Finney, it's his first year, like, he could easily hit a wall at some point.

[G]

Usually see from the young guys after.

[Ryan]

A 20, 100% and then the old guys actually after game get better after game, 20, 25, they start picking it up.

[G]

Yeah, you're right. If they can keep where they're going now even to 90, 80% of that, they're going to be laughing.

[Whitney]

I'm really hoping we see like Cider went from winning the Calder to finding another gear after that, to where. I'm waiting for that next gear now. I'm waiting for that next. That next.

[Ryan]

The headman gear.

[G]

Headman gear.

[Whitney]

Yeah.

[G]

Couple years of where you don't know what you are and then boom, you went in north.

[Ryan]

I mean, we were talking about Headman's career the other night at dinner. Like, you look at his stats and I mean, they were nothing crazy for quite a while.

[G]

Like five years wasn't even like two years. Like five years. Like 25 points, 30 points, 15.

[Whitney]

Like, I'm really hoping that happens and we're jumping teams here, but I'm hoping that happens. With Owen Power, I feel like, well.

[Ryan]

We could talk Buffalo. I mean, we're going to go to. We'll wait because Tripp Tracy's coming on, but Buffalo, I mean, they scored one of the sickest goals of the year. All five guys in the team touch it. Own power buried the third goal against Florida, but body armor is a big part of this podcast, guys, we talk about them a lot. I always talk about the strawberry banana I have on my desk. This episode is brought to you by. Body armor. The official sports drink of the NHL has great tasting flavors. I always say strawberry, banana, peach, mango. No artificial sources. None of the crap, none of the bull, none of the, none of the stuff that you will feel worse after drinking is in body armor. It's a bold new look with the same great taste. Now available in Canada. People told me it's been available in Canada for a while. I don't know if that's true because I'm reading. Now available in Canada. Yeah, because you're crazy.

[Whitney]

When I'm on the road trips, I buy them because I got the wide knob.

[Ryan]

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[Whitney]

I get morning texts of him walking.

[Ryan]

His dog, walking in the woods saying, wait, you're doing great. I'm like, dude, I hate myself. Call me more.

[Whitney]

How you doing, buddy?

[Tripp Tracy]

I love the show. And matter of fact, I'm here in the stick room, you legends, and I think I just saw some body armor. Hopefully fuel the canes to stretch this thing to six against the Golden Ice tonight. I, you guys are fabulous. I, I listened to the Seth Jarvis episode, what a guy. Through the flight to San Jose last week.

[Ryan]

Well, this guy, he can't stop scoring game winning goals. I think I want to get the whole breakdown of the Canes to you. My first though is like if you, if somebody told you that they'd be 5, 0 dominating the way they have and Fetchnikov would have no points and Ehlers would have no points, you'd say no chance.

[Tripp Tracy]

And you haven't played the last three games with Jacob Slavic.

[Ryan]

So yeah, like, God, I, I, I.

[Tripp Tracy]

Wouldn'T have said that.

[Ryan]

Wit, what's, what's wrong with those guys? If there's anything wrong. Are they snake bit?

[Whitney]

I heard Svetch got bumped to the fourth line. Is that true? Yeah, Biz treatment.

[Tripp Tracy]

That was biz. Let's see California's swing. That was in the second period of the first game last Tuesday against the Sharks. I still think Andre is trying to figure out, you know, what regular season Physical impact looks for him, you know, in the playoffs, I think it's easier for him. He hasn't been as physical as I'd like him to be and I want to see him shoot, shoot pucks and hold on to more pucks. But it's remarkable because he has not been himself. I thought he had a pretty good preseason and hasn't translated so far. And Ehlers has historically been a slow starter. You know, he's had some moments where it looks like he's on the cusp, given him more Runway because obviously adjusting to a new team and the fact that the Hurricanes have been rolling. And when I look at the trifecta here in this beautiful screen, the guy that's been carrying the load individually in his line has been Witt's old teammate Jordan Stahl.

[Ryan]

I saw the other night he had.

[Tripp Tracy]

Two 91% in the face off circle boys.

[Whitney]

Popeye wrist matches hammer.

[Tripp Tracy]

It's just remarkable. I mean, he and Jordan Martinuk, your compadre too. Boys, that line with Martin Nook Stahl and will carry a healthy. Will carry a has been the single biggest reason aside, you know, the game winning guru of, you know, Jarvis's contributions. But that stall line has been magical.

[Whitney]

Yeah, I guess I was reading online, a lot of people said that they came in like really well conditioned. Like this was a training camp where not to say poopy pants, but it's like, boys, we got to take it to a different level if we want to beat Florida, if that's who we meet. But hey, there's. There's always another gear with, with Rod the bod, right. Like he's always looking to push it and push and push it. So how did you feel about the team coming out of camp and how they looked?

[Tripp Tracy]

I thought that I, I'm just thinking in my head before I comment the way that the preseason schedule biz was slated they had between their fifth game and their sixth game, they had a pretty significant break in the schedule. So Rod, typically the last game was on the road in Nashville. He typically wouldn't play an NHL lineup. He'd play young guys. In that last preseason game on the road, you don't want your regulars to travel, but you didn't want too much of a layoff before you open against the devil. So he played his NHL lineup and I thought that was a really good thing. I thought that was a good tune up. I again, look at the Jordan Stalls of the world, the Jordan Martinooks, the way they set the tone from a fitness standpoint and in all of Rod Brindemore's years, because we always go on this long trip when the state fairs in Raleigh. The Hurricanes have made a habit of getting in front of the standings in the NHL year after year.

[Ryan]

Yeah, they do have good.

[Tripp Tracy]

Always, always boys and. But I'm going to go back. I'm going back to the captain again because you tell me, as long as your careers were gentlemen, you know, as you got older in your careers, did you have to pay that much more attention to nutrition? This is a great.

[Merles]

Alex.

[Tripp Tracy]

Just peek in. Alexander, Nikisha. And say hello to speed.

[Whitney]

Guys.

[Ryan]

Hey, first goal. Congrats, Tripp.

[G]

You're out.

[Tripp Tracy]

Thank you, boys. Thank you.

[Ryan]

You're welcome. What a player.

[Whitney]

Hey, I want to ask you quickly, though, about the. When you first got to Carolina, that interaction you had with Rod, like, what did that mean to you? How cool it was?

[G]

I.

[Whitney]

They ended up putting the video online.

[Tripp Tracy]

Did you understand that? Yeah, I understood.

[Ryan]

I. I. Pick your head up, baby.

[G]

Let him sit.

[Merles]

Okay.

[Ryan]

I know, dog.

[Tripp Tracy]

Have a good day. Please.

[Ryan]

Hey, boy.

[Whitney]

What an answer. What an answer.

[G]

His English was perfect.

[Tripp Tracy]

Deal. We talked about him last year when you guys had me on his first practice after that meeting with Rod, he couldn't speak a lick of the language, but he's tapping all the veteran English speaking guys.

[Ryan]

He's got charisma and he's got a cannon, too. His first goal, I saw a big celebration. He throws his weight around. He could skate. Jarvis was complimented on a bunch. Looks awesome.

[Whitney]

I was gonna. So. So you probably travel on the team charter. We got a chance to interview Jarvis. It must be an absolute comedy routine with this guy around all the time. Like there. There wasn't a more perfect guy for that Amazon series because he said it was weird having the cameras around, but he plays into it so well.

[Tripp Tracy]

He. He plays in one of the card tables, spitting chick. Look, friend Martini. And the other one right in front of me. And I like to go carve these guys, especially on the long flights. And so I'm in the back there flying to San Jose and I'm watching the episode with Jarvey and, you know, I'm going up there and I'm getting him going about the fact that he can't swim. I. I can swim. I quit the swim team for other reasons. I just had no interest in the speedo.

[Ryan]

You're an adult.

[Tripp Tracy]

I'm telling him, you know, about, you know, hey, you gotta. You gotta go welcome the Spin Chicklets Club in Greensboro. You'll have a ball. So I Love walking up to the card table. And then, you know, part of that hot stove that you guys had, he mentioned, you know, that he loved Matt Damon. I remember when I was playing at Harvard, the Matt Damon, what a nice guy. Used to come to our games and cheer us on. So you guys actually planted the seed. We were in LA on Saturday night, so I asked Mr. Charisma, Seth Jarvis in the bench interview before the game, what Hollywood actor, because they'd all be lining up to play in the movie. Who would you choose? And he said, Danny DeVito.

[Whitney]

That's funny. To play him.

[Tripp Tracy]

To play him.

[Ryan]

He is tiny.

[Whitney]

That's a hell of an answer.

[Tripp Tracy]

I didn't know I was.

[Ryan]

Well, he's just saw, like a Jersey.

[Whitney]

Mike's commercial, and he's just being modest. I think he's very aware of his looks. Right. So he looks a lot more like Danny DeVito than he does Matt Damon. Yeah. At least he's being realistic and probably a little bit funnier. Oh, my God. That is unreal.

[Ryan]

Is. Is s fetch. Does it. Is it like body language during practice on fourth line? Any. Any worries there? You know, some guys, they get sent down, they can be kind of poopy pants, and others just. You can't tell that's what you're hoping for.

[Tripp Tracy]

At least I think wit. So far, his attitude's been good.

[Ryan]

Good.

[Tripp Tracy]

The game's just a work in progress, I'll give you, because what a great cameo from Alexander Nikishan. So Nikishan scores his first NHL goal Thursday in Anaheim. Svetch's game, Andre, it's a work in progress, but the interview after the game, because, you know, Nikisha needs a translator. There's Andres Fechnikov to translate, which those certainly made marks with me, you know, because, you know, he totally understood the special moment for. For young Alexander Nikish and. And, you know, got out there and was. Was awesome.

[Whitney]

That's awesome.

[Tripp Tracy]

But, you know, when I'm thinking about Andre right now, you need him to get himself back to being Svetchnikov, because the gauntlet this week. Vegas tonight, Colorado a couple of nights from now, and then Dallas to finish off the trip. You know, I'd love to see this line come together with aho. Jarvis and Ehlers. You know, they've ended games. Jarvis in particular. I was off to a great playmaking start, but I'm going to get a real good gauge against these contending clubs this week. You know, is that. Is that line big enough? You'd love to have the option of Andre's game going. They've got a couple other lefties. Robinson's been great early. Taylor Hall's had a good start. But if you ever need some more size on that line.

[Whitney]

Just going back to Svetch. He did get rocked in preseason. Like a quick answer, like did maybe that have anything to do with it? And my longer one is you're seeing what natures is doing right and I don't want to say I've been critical of it, but it's clear that the return in moving on from him and kind of what it's brought this team, I feel like Carolina has always been about doing for the greater good of the overall team. And by moving off of him they've been able to add Keandre Miller. Taylor hall, who's a veteran, who is fit and great there. He got the extension and I'm dropping and then stankhoven who is, is like that is your prototypical Carolina Hurricane. So how is that panned out and how jacked up are you about that move despite having to lose a guy with probably as much high end talent is Marty Nagis.

[Tripp Tracy]

I mean initially, you know, because I, I've always had the access here being in Carolina as long as I have that, you know, I develop personal relationships with the guys and I have a close personal relationship with Marty Naches. Can't wait to see him. You know, we go to Denver after this game. Jack Drury, his dad was my captain in college. You know, he was another guy tough to say goodbye to. But ultimately, I mean the Hurricanes did a heck of a job in the conclusion of it because when I heard, I think it was the night before the trade deadline that things were heating up with the Dallas Stars. Stan Colvin played his first NHL game in Raleigh against the Hurricanes and I loved it and I said I hope Logan Stan Coven is part of the deal here. So he was, he's a perfect Hurricane. You know, Rod loves that. You know, coach's office is right across the hall that, you know, he might as well have a key to the coach's office. Rice. Rod's trying him at center. You know, he's knocking on that door every day. How can I get better? How can you make me a good guy in the face off circle? And then one of the picks that you acquired when you move Mikko to Dallas was used to get Keandre Miller and Keandre Miller, wow, seamless adjustment. He's playing over 23 minutes a night. He wanted to be in Carolina. He's a Minnesotan. He loves the Outdoors, So he likes the quiet part of being in Carolina. But in the three games, boys with, without Jacob Slavin and everything, he means Keandre Miller has been a huge story. And I'd be remiss if I didn't mention the whole blue line gossip, unfortunately is out right now. But Sean Walker is the other guy that absolutely should be mentioned. He flies overall return. You get Stan Coven and you get Keandre Miller and you lock him in for the long term. So the Hurricanes came out of it just fine.

[Whitney]

I got Tulski winning GM of the year, so that's me. That's just me.

[G]

Keandre Miller kind of reminds me when Brady Shea came down to you guys. A guy that can trust his skating, especially in the D zone. They're just so effortlessly good at skating and they can just skate all day with their forward gans.

[Tripp Tracy]

Perfect. Perfect.

[G]

Thanks.

[Whitney]

Round of applause for Yance. Did you play? Did you play?

[Ryan]

You know the game, man. You know puck.

[Whitney]

Did Yance play?

[Tripp Tracy]

Because I was, you know, I think I was sitting, having a steak dinner in downtown Raleigh trying to avoid the biz gout with our, with our assistant coach.

[Whitney]

I got it with our.

[Tripp Tracy]

Our assistant coach, Dean Chenauth at the time, who did a terrific job as Winnipeg in Winnipeg. Now when we learned that the Hurricanes had acquired Brady Shea, and Brady Shea, you know, he had shown potential in New York, but it hadn't taken off. This is one of the finest trades in Carolina history of what Brady Shea meant to Carolina lefty like Keandre. And when the trade first happened and the extension for Miller, I said to myself, if Keandre can be any semblance of the way that Brady's career took off in Carolina, Minnesotan Shea like Miller, then the Hurricanes are going to be groovy. And so far it's just off to a superstar.

[Ryan]

I love that fast team to watch and like you said, like to do this well without those guys scoring yet, like, you know, either he's going to light it up at some point. So if they get. What is up with Slavin though?

[Tripp Tracy]

Slaving, you know, my mindset, he didn't play at all in the preseason.

[Whitney]

It.

[Tripp Tracy]

So he was fighting something and you know, then his first two games against New Jersey and Philadelphia at home, he's so smart even without the preseason, you know, he didn't have that explosive step from. From not playing in the preseason, but he's still so damn smart that he, you know, he can do Slaving type things, but he didn't look 100% to me. So big picture, you just absolutely need whatever the route is for him to get there. Him to be 100%. He hasn't been on the trip, so I'll get an update, you know, when. When the Hurricanes get back to Raleigh. Now you got goth to spare out. I don't feel like it's going to be long term. Shane Gossip was off to a. Wow. A marvelous start.

[Whitney]

He's a. He's an underrated dynamo offensively. Like he drives traffic. For me, I. I loved. I loved him in Arizona. I feel like he got traded to. Was it Detroit? He had a cup of coffee there too. Where. When in there had success. I think that was the year where they just missed out by a point of playoffs. And then back he went. He's been with you guys twice, correct?

[Tripp Tracy]

I was. I remember it like yesterday because I didn't think the Hurricanes were going to do much at the deadline and we had a practice here before going to Tempe to play the Coyote. And that's when they acquired Shane Gossip at the deadline and you know, played the first game, you know, he switched locker rooms against the Coyotes. He was very solid in his first tenure as a Hurricane. And then after Detroit, they didn't jump immediately to extend him after he was. He just about willed him into the playoffs. Remember when he kept that puck in and that.

[Whitney]

That.

[Tripp Tracy]

That went against Montreal in game 80. Stay alive. And. And the thing about Costas Bear this year, I've never seen him play this well defensively. Never in his. Whether it be in Carolina or in his career. And he's one guy. Yan's wit being defenseman.

[Ryan]

How.

[Tripp Tracy]

How would you feel about this? Like a couple in the playoffs last year when Nikisha broke in the closeout game against Washington in the second round, he had to play his offside.

[Whitney]

That's.

[Ryan]

I didn't mind playing my offside.

[Whitney]

I couldn't stick candle, so that was hard for me. But like, yeah, it's hard to switch.

[G]

Yeah, it's very hard. Like, I. I'm always amazed. Like Mackenzie Weger to me, I think is the best in the league at it. But it's very difficult to do, especially in a playoff time when you're not used to it and you're playing with a young guy who's not familiar with the NHL. Like, that's a tall task.

[Whitney]

Let's describe it to people though. So it basically go like, if you're playing your offside, most of the times you have to accept it on your backhand. And then get it to your forehand so you're right. Is that.

[Ryan]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think you're getting it on your forehand sometimes in your blind sides here. Right. Like it's, it's a little harder to see like what's over here if you're collecting on your forehand. And then offensively I almost disagree because you can get it on your forehand on the blue line and walk the line easier, I feel.

[Whitney]

Okay. So it's harder to pick it off the wall.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Whitney]

Where you have to work on how you like attack the boards. Like Oliver Ekman. Larson was always good at it. How he would kind of just like Mohawk turn and then, and then he would put his blade against the boards where he would, when it was rimming around it would like basically one touch it to himself.

[G]

But ultimately for wheeling the net because if it was dumped in, in your corner, wheeling the neck as you're on.

[Whitney]

Your, then you're on your forehand if you go.

[G]

That was the only good part about it.

[Whitney]

Yeah. But for, for most of the case, you know, teams will, if they're aware of that's happening, they'll force it to your side. Because when you're having to get it from your backhand to then your forehand to make the play like those stick lanes close so quickly in the NHL where all of a sudden the play that was there is not there anymore. And that just means like, like breathing down more of their neck on like a four check, creating a turnover and then more ozo time. So it is not easy, you know. And over the course of playing like a 20 minute game where you're playing your backhand, how many times you're going to end up in that vulnerable situation where you're losing time to make your play. Like certain guys can do it clean and they're just filthy like that. But very rare where guys are doing it non stop.

[G]

That half a second is every lot.

[Whitney]

Everything in the NHL.

[Ryan]

All right, Tripp, we got rollback last question time with you right now. Use code [e-mail] for a generous 20 off your first purchase through the end of the week. That's C H I C L E t s on R-H-O-B-A-K.com 20 off all polos, hoodies, joggers and more. Code Chiclets rollback.com Last week we were discussing that Grinelli and Merles were up at a main game. They saw this kid, Justin Poirier at a hat trick. Unreal. Player from Major Junior. We look it up. Kind of an undersized Carolina Hurricanes pick. We know about Nadeau, Bradley Nadeau. He's playing in the Wolves system right now in Chicago, who on the broadcast it was brought up, skated with McKinnon and Crosby, and Crosby was telling him, dude, shoot that puck. Your shots. Amazing. Who in Carolina is in charge of the drafting? They're obviously.

[Whitney]

Doing it does it all.

[Ryan]

Sorry. How do you. How do you find these guys? Tripp, you're unbelievable.

[Tripp Tracy]

Oh, thank you. Boy, it's going to go right to my head. It's like it's Darren York, who's in charge of the scouting department and the drafting department at the amateur level. You guys mentioned Poirier. You know, he's. He had a hat trick in the game, you know, in his first game or right at the beginning for Maine. You know, I actually don't. I'm not responsible for drafting these guys, but my sources tell me he can really fire the puck. Nadeau, you mentioned scored a lack school for Chicago yesterday, had a sensational preseason where he just about earned his way onto this team. If it wasn't as deep as it is that he'd be in the lineup right now. And the other guy I'd like to mention, they've got a prospect that's playing at Penn State named Charlie Serrato who's leading the NCAA in scoring right now. So Darren York, it is the guy that deserves the kudos for it. The amateur draft is. Is. Is what he spoons with at night, and he's doing a heck of a job.

[Ryan]

So, Tripp, you're in Vegas right before we let you go.

[Tripp Tracy]

Is that tonight in Vegas Tonight. And you know what? I love it. Games like this because we're staying here after the game.

[Ryan]

Oh, God.

[Tripp Tracy]

Guys have got a carrot. Guys have got a carrot. You know, for after the game. I love it. You know, to, you know, their toughest test so far, the Vegas Golden Night. So we stay here, fly to Denver tomorrow. We're going to be on hand for the ceremony for Brent Burns is 1500th when we're in Colorado on Thursday, which is going to be a trip they.

[Whitney]

Saved to do that. Oh, that is so smart. The league can't lose right now.

[Merles]

Yeah, no.

[Whitney]

Every move they're making is awesome. Now, I know we said. Last question. Was there do you have like a favorite Carolina hurricane story or was there maybe even something that when you came on the podcast, you thought that we were going to ask you about hurricanes related that we didn't so if you have like a. Maybe it's like a rod story, like anything from like a nostalgia perspective for all the Carolina Hurricanes fans in the chat. And listen, it's gonna change because we're now we're a Carolina Hurricanes podcast because we're affiliated. We're basically part owners of the Carolina Hurricanes.

[Ryan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Whitney]

We are going to be pumping so much. Carolina Hurricanes.

[Ryan]

We're your boss kind of dude.

[Whitney]

Yeah, technically.

[Tripp Tracy]

Okay, I, I'm gonna tell you, but just because Jordan stahl got his 300th goal on Saturday, it was 2012 and Thunder Bay, I went to all four stall weddings and it is a tough place to get to. Thankfully, I'm convinced there are people of great faith. There's never going to be a divorce. So it's going to, they're all going to last a lifetime, you know, because then I'm not going to have to make the trek to Thunder Bay again. But I was there only to scout Jordan's 300th Saturday. I was there. What was it, June of 2012? I'm sitting at the wedding reception with one of Witt's former agents, Paul Jerry Maguire Kropelka, and with his Boston accent. So Sidney Crosby, all the Penguins are there. Jordan and his wife Heather are just making the rounds to thank everybody for coming. And Kripelka goes to me, goes Emmett, my real name. I gotta go tell Stalzi he got traded. So that day, right during the reception, he rolls over. The Penguins are there, he. And they're, you know, right at the beginning of his marital bliss. And he, since then, he broke his leg in a preseason game. He came to Carolina to play with Eric. Eric moved on to the Rangers. Ten years without the playoffs. So in a big milestone night for, for Jordan on Saturday, you know, and really made me appreciate the journey with the Hurricanes going back to that, that mid wedding reception trade.

[Ryan]

A great teammate.

[Whitney]

So you were there, you were there for Eric's wedding because he'd played there and then, and then.

[G]

So the trade was invited himself to.

[Tripp Tracy]

Actually, you're right. The second one, I was a family friend. And Mark Stahl, who has the best sense of humor, said during his wedding reception, what are you a friend of the family? How are you? How are you here? Eric stalls. You guys got to go. But that was the best because he got married. He got married about 9 or 10 o' clock in the morning. Okay. And the reception didn't start until 7 at night.

[Whitney]

Oh, wow. Okay. Big gap.

[Tripp Tracy]

And they're all at this hotel, the Valhalla So we're killing time. I'm with Jimmy Rutherford Kripelka again. Ricky Curran, another one of Whit's agents. And they had. I think the hotel bar there is called Timber or something like that. And all the boys that are on the team, they just won the Stanley Cup. They're all afraid to booze in front of the gm. Cam Ward, Eric Cole, they're all sneaking around the corner because we had a six or seven hour shift after Eric's wedding before the reception started. And they're all afraid to have a few in front of the gm. Jimmy Kropelk and I were having nachos and a few drinks, and in comes Mike Commodore.

[Whitney]

Oh, yeah.

[Ryan]

And he don't give a fuck.

[Tripp Tracy]

He had no problem with it whatsoever. Ordered beers and a round of shot, and Jimmy Rutherford absolutely loved it. That was. They all got married in order. And that was Eric Stahl's wedding.

[Whitney]

To kick it all off, Rutherford's like, thanks. Thankfully someone did he bust out. The blow just starts, Wolf. Oh, yeah, we're live.

[Ryan]

Oh, yes. See you, Tripp.

[Whitney]

Oh, we're live. Oh, God damn. That's the last time we're gonna see Tripp.

[G]

Have fun in Vegas tonight.

[Whitney]

Oh, no. Did he actually leave? Was that him signing off?

[Ryan]

I think you might have. I think you might have just had him quit.

[Whitney]

Oh, did. Oh. We didn't even get a chance to say bye to him. Yeah, bring him back, Tripp. Take it easy, pal. Hey, as. As Nikisha would say, have a great day. Have a great day, boys.

[Tripp Tracy]

Thanks for having me. I love what you do for the game. And with my 51 slowing metabolism, you're getting me through a lot of workouts to. You know, I've got some elastic pants this year, which are really helping me, but thank you so much for always bringing the content.

[Whitney]

Tripp, we're gonna have you on more. Like, we're doing two pods a week now. And the Monday show is more of like, hey, Caroline, it's hot. Let's bring on Trip to, like, talk about what's going on. More of the intel. So we'll be seeing you again soon, buddy. And Taniacs, love you, and thanks for all the energy you provide our show. You're a legend, dude. Love those morning texts with your dogs.

[Ryan]

Good luck at the tables tonight.

[Whitney]

Maybe one dog.

[Tripp Tracy]

Anything that you ever need. I will talk to you guys soon. Sorry, I'll end it right there. I sent a video to my buddies from the Bellagio yesterday, which was the single biggest blackjack loss I had in my career.

[G]

Go get it back tonight.

[Whitney]

Yeah, well, if the owner wasn't so cheap there, you could get it back.

[Ryan]

But that's you.

[G]

Part of their team.

[Ryan]

That's you.

[Whitney]

Oh, I'll send you a Venmo.

[Tripp Tracy]

I'll see you guys.

[Ryan]

See you, brother. Before we get to Merle, who's coming on to explain a talk about a heartbreaking gambling loss, let's go to biz. This is kind of my super bowl for a live Roman ad.

[Tripp Tracy]

Oh, wow.

[Ryan]

All right, guys, get. Get your popcorn. Go get a drink.

[Whitney]

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[Merles]

Holy.

[Ryan]

Hey.

[Whitney]

Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me?

[Ryan]

All we have.

[Whitney]

See the chat.

[Ryan]

Pop it off.

[Whitney]

Like my goddamn boner. After I take a road pill biz.

[G]

You should be the guy who reads. You know, those smut books that like.

[Ryan]

Mums like ASMR type Avery's the way.

[G]

You just read that? If you did summer skate, hey, it'd be a top two.

[Ryan]

Turns out he's like, a genius if he's just reading about sex.

[G]

I know.

[Ryan]

Rose Sparks. Rose Sparks. There's. There's a table. He's talking about. Wow, Biz, that was.

[Whitney]

Holy. I need a break.

[Ryan]

You're like Einstein when it comes to having sex.

[Whitney]

Just shoot the. Don't go to the next topic quite yet. I gotta walk that one off.

[G]

Yeah. Good luck with a boner.

[Whitney]

Hey, thanks a lot, Paige.

[Ryan]

Oh.

[G]

Oh.

[Ryan]

Fish's forehead's in the way. Oh, my God.

[Whitney]

Wow.

[Ryan]

What an absolute read we can bring. I think he. Most people would say he might have to pee, but I think he's going to do something else. And I'm not joking. Let's bring on Merle's. We don't need Biz to talk to Mer. And God, this poor. Oh, my God.

[G]

You look down.

[Ryan]

How you doing, buddy?

[Merles]

What's up, boys? Where'd Biz go?

[Ryan]

He went to just go release himself in the bathroom of where the place he works. It's very interesting scenario we have going on. He did an ad read.

[Merles]

Yeah, I saw that. I was excited to hear the set, but. But then I was even more excited to hear that he thinks the owner should pay back his employees gambling losses. So I feel great. You guys are going to pay me the 29,000 that I should have won.

[Ryan]

Merles, so if people don't know you were. You won a contest to get a $10,000 free bet. What people do know listening, is that you're building a new house. You got to get it. You got to get the furniture in. You got to get all these things squared away. So this was an opportunity for you to get a little parlay action. Get a 3 to 1, maybe even bigger bet to win. Go home, tell your wife, listen, I just got 30, 40, 50 grand. You made the decision on the Keenan Allen, five or more receptions.

[Whitney]

The.

[Ryan]

Is it Tyler Warren, five or more receptions. Justin Herbert, two or more TD passes. That's all you had to get done. Warren had four catches in the first half.

[Tripp Tracy]

Murr.

[Merles]

Oh, it was. He did the first play of the game, he gets the catch. I said, oh, this is it. And I gotta say, I, you know, I was in the group chat with you and Migs. We were deciding what to do all day. I had Pittman instead of Warren. I don't know what made me flip. And yeah, you know, I tried to be smart. I didn't want to be too greedy. I went for the plus 290 instead of the plus 501 I had built. I had a plus 951 built to really try to knock a leg out. But in, in, in mush fashion, I get. I get the two hardest ones probably first. And then the Warren one's sitting there and. And he can't come up with one more catch in 21 minutes of game time.

[Ryan]

And the crazy thing was I. I said to everyone and you know, I bet your bet, but I watching, I'm only thinking about you. I did not care about my bet, but I had Said he's going to lose and he's going to lose by one guy being one reception short. And it's like, how do you know with the mer it's going to happen? The chat saying you invented gambling so you should actually have static.

[G]

Someone said he invented static because he's coming through.

[Merles]

I just got picked up at the airport. It was a quick 24 hour business trip that it didn't result in any money. But great vibes within the cave with. When all the guys there, they welcomed me in. Out there at Chicago, your hands were.

[Ryan]

Kind of tied, right?

[G]

You couldn't bet a hockey game. You had to bet that game, which kind of stinks. If it was a Swedish Elite League game, you would have been sent out.

[Ryan]

A Swedish Elite League parlay. That hit.

[Merles]

I hit it all every day. Last week I put out a parlay from Europe and it hit all five days. And that 10,000 bonus bets been sitting in there. I've been just eyeing it till that game. But I gotta say, I got the dream game. It was an over.

[Ryan]

It.

[Merles]

It was. It was perfect. Everybody else hit their props. Everybody scored a touchdown. I just, I picked the wrong guy at the end. Well, everybody went big.

[Whitney]

Everybody seems supportive. Other than one guy. Have you guys talked about.

[Ryan]

No, we haven't.

[Whitney]

I don't understand the whole gambling realm. I'm not like. And I also have never experienced the gambling cave like, like that live action betting on a game. What the. It's. What's the guy's name?

[G]

Meek. Phil.

[Ryan]

Meek. Phil.

[Whitney]

He was killing your vibes. Like, was he like. What happened?

[Ryan]

I was told. You go ahead and I'll tell you what I was told.

[Merles]

Well, everybody else was in. You know, Big cat put ten grand on it too, to ride along with me. The whole. The whole cave was in on it. Jersey, Jerry, pft, all the guys, everybody. So we got the best thing going. And now it's getting this crunch time. It's fourth quarter, Colts have the ball. It could be their last chance here. That's like the last time they had the ball. He goes a three and out. Might not be the worst thing here. It's like, what are you talking about?

[Tripp Tracy]

Trolling you like, we want a first.

[Merles]

Down so we get three more plays. You meatball. And everybody heard it. Everybody wanted to banish the guy out of the cave, but he's a good kid and.

[Whitney]

Okay, so it didn't amplify from that moment. That was just the bad vibes comments. Slip of the tongue. And.

[Ryan]

And he's like, my bad well, here's the thing. I was told from somebody that he pretends to care. And after he. I was told he's pretending to be upset and feel bad, but he doesn't.

[Whitney]

That he's given to the pump actually happened and he's giving it the pumpernickel.

[Ryan]

I was told by. By somebody that. That's in the know that. That the. The. The apology to you on Twitter and stuff isn't real. Now, I don't know. I don't know the guy, but I know you. And I know how angry you get when people make certain comments while you're gambling. So you must have been fuming. You did a good job of kind of hiding your displeasure for the guy as it was going down.

[Whitney]

You're not. You're not. Unless it's a blackjack dealer. You're never usually like mean. Yeah.

[G]

Mean.

[Whitney]

Or contra. When you have controversial. Yeah.

[Ryan]

Or want any confrontation.

[Whitney]

He's the bu.

[Tripp Tracy]

And it was fine.

[Merles]

It was a. It was a bonus bet. And even though. Because I did get that close for so long, it does feel like I lost the money now.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Merles]

Where before if it was. If. If Herbert didn't get any touchdowns. Fine. Like it was a bad pick because everybody was telling me to take the Chargers. Everybody thought the Chargers were going to win. Thankfully.

[Ryan]

The true Merle's fashion, though, like all of the ones you sent me three days leading up. They all won. Yeah. So one of them was 950 to. Plus 950. That one won. Plus 451. Plus 321.

[Whitney]

Did it ever.

[G]

Are you in an Uber pool? Why are there kids talking?

[Merles]

Yeah, it's my. So I just got picked up at the airport. So I'm on the way to the Sharks.

[Whitney]

Yeah.

[Merles]

And then we got learned to play at five o' clock. And then I'll be home a couple days and then I'm going with our good friend Mr. Ice to chase goals down in New York. So I'll be sitting in that studio.

[Tripp Tracy]

Your.

[Whitney]

Your audio isn't great, Mer. So this will be the last one so we don't piss everybody off with the audio situation. What have you been. What. What's the biggest standout so far in the last week? NHL wise. Like, what's catching your eye?

[Merles]

Colorado. Vegas for our wagons, obviously. Carolina. You just talked to Tripp. Looks amazing. The game tonight. Take the over tonight. Lots of goals in Vegas tonight.

[Ryan]

Okay.

[G]

All right.

[Ryan]

We got a pick from Merrill. He can give them out. He just can't win on his own.

[Whitney]

So everyone And I'll say this, I know it feels like a big loss, Murr, but, like, since we, like, since you've came on board the Chicklets crew, you've, like, been, like, awesome. We're so happy that you got game notes going with army, and you were incredible representation of what our brand's about, and you went there on that stream and crush it with all the bars to a whack pack. So we love you, buddy. And, yeah, you're an incredible teammate, and I'm sorry that you didn't hit your bet, but. But, hey, we'll get the next one, baby.

[Merles]

Yeah.

[Tripp Tracy]

And, Biz, you missed it.

[Merles]

When you were gone, you said that the owner should always take care of their employees. Gambling.

[Whitney]

When.

[Merles]

So I'll be sending you an invoice for 29 grand.

[Whitney]

Okay. Sounds good, brother.

[G]

But it was.

[Tripp Tracy]

Thank you, guys.

[Ryan]

The man invented interviews, and we got to interview him. Really cool. Oh, really?

[Whitney]

The best.

[Ryan]

I want to let either one of you guys take over for the Sabres in just the fact that Josh Doane.

[Whitney]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

Looks amazing. And there are a lot of Sabers fans that are, I think, loving the trade right now for Kesselring and Doane. No, Buterka has done well. He scored a beautiful goal in front of the owner. Did you see that clip? Ryan Smith on the glass. Paterka's turn in the corner. But Josh don't. He looks great.

[G]

Like, the second game, and he hadn't got any points, and maybe it was the third game, but just like his stick was always in a good spot. He was setting guys up for good chances. You could see that it was coming the next game. I think he had three points. He's just a guy that you can tell, like, he's there. He's hungry to be in the NHL forever or the rest of his career. He's got something to prove. He's getting put in a good spot right now, playing with good players, and he's taking advantage of it because half the, you know, making it in the league is you get put in a good spot, but you got to earn it every single day, coming in and out. And he has been awesome. I'm so happy for him. Happy for Buffalo to getting off the schneide. Playing pretty good hockey right now. And Kesselring has been awesome for Darlene.

[Whitney]

Yes.

[G]

Like, just the guy.

[Whitney]

Like, so there was a lot of people online who, like, one tweet for the in Sabres nation went viral where they're like, we won the Paterka trade. Right? So I think that we were looking at. Okay, well they're giving up a bonafide 30 goal guy. Especially if he plays a full 82 which I still think Paterka can do. He hasn't played yet, right Paterka? Oh yeah, he's played. He's in UK.

[Ryan]

He scored a beautiful goal.

[Whitney]

He might have two or three goals first. I think he's got at least two goals. I think he's a 30 goal guy. I think he's got incredible breakaway speed. Like he's a maybe a little bit more one dimensional sniper. That's at least coming from Buffalo fans where I didn't know what that defenseman would provide. But I do know that Josh Doane is a highly intelligent player. Maybe deceptively fast, maybe doesn't look like he's moving as fast and not as strong as a skater as JJ Buterka, but he's efficient, he gets around, he can move. Not afraid of the net front right. We'll take abuse. Kind of like Shane was right. I would say a little bit less of a bull in a china shop where donor can oppose his physicality on you. Like if he wanted to move you off a puck he was going to do it with his 235 frame. But I went to a few ASU games to watch dos Josh Stone play and just when he's on the power play and how he understands like watching from an overhead perspective where maybe there's a pass coming through the seam to him and he understands there's pressure coming on him. Well, he'll lift his stick up knowing that it will hit the boards and bounce off and go to where the defenseman would have been to bypass him and then boom. He'll swing around knowing where exactly where his stick needs to be in order to support that defenseman. Where it now went walking the line. So from a, from an intelligence perspective like he knows the game of hockey like he is just a hockey mind. So he's off to this hot start along with helping though on the power play. Being a good net front guy, I couldn't be happier for him. And it's always hard falling in the shadows of your father who played 1500 NHL hockey games. But he's really carving out his own path. As you know good, good things about Donor's game that you're seeing but also, also part of like a being a different player. So I couldn't be happier for him because that's not an easy thing to do. And if it's, if his, if his progression is anything like We've seen especially over these first five, six games in Buffalo where he is going to be given this opportunity. I couldn't be happier for the guy and I think he's going to run with it. So they got a, they got a dog and donor and you got to imagine Shane is just through like so happy that he's getting this opportunity. Right?

[G]

Yeah. And I, I think a lot of that too. You, you remember him when he was there and he was a young kid, but he would watch every single game, be at every single game. And I think a lot of that, especially people with kids in the chat nowadays, kids just watch clips and they just watch the highlights where he was watching games. So you see little things where he's picking up his stick and he's making the NHL plays at, you know, a younger age, which is impressive. And also he was a late bloomer too, wasn't the highly touted kid coming up. He played with knives growing up. He was always in his shadow a little bit. So just like came, got over that adversity, become his own player and hopefully he's in the NHL for the rest of his career.

[Whitney]

Yeah. You kind of get what I'm saying, right? It wouldn't be easy if your father, everyone's gonna be comparing you to their dad. Like, I think, you know, there's always like the, like, go second round, the Coyotes, like, oh yeah, here we go. Like nostalgic, like, you know, just because he was in the organization, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. So if you've seen him play at ASU or even coming up, like, you know what his game's about and yeah, he's, he's like his, his hockey mind is brilliant. So good for him. And when you're not afraid to go to the blue paint and you got that good hand eye, fuck, that's like almost what's lost in our game a little bit, right? Guys who aren't willing to go pay the price and, and sacrifice another kid on that team. I talked about him in preseason. I said I love him.

[Ryan]

Is Benson five Apples in two games.

[Whitney]

Two games, right. So as far as that draft class is concerned, a few years ago he's, I think he's in the top five scoring right now. I know it's only been two games for him, but for, for a guy who's what, 5, 8, 5, 9?

[Ryan]

Says 5, 10, but I don't know.

[Whitney]

Oh yeah, with three pairs of socks on the thick ones. But he, he, he plays like a, he Plays way above his weight class and maybe them being the laughing stock of the league to start is what they needed because they, they, they were their fucking own fans were carving them outside the building. So hopefully, hopefully they're able. The one thing that we talked about on the TNT call today is Normally though they'll go 500 to a certain point and then they'll lose, you know, nine of their next 11. They always go on this really bad.

[Ryan]

Yeah. They have like a 10 game losing.

[Whitney]

Yeah. Where the paper bags come out. So let's just hope they avoid that.

[Ryan]

And them in Montreal. Tonight's a fun one. Oh yeah, that, that's an overall over possibility right there. Montreal is minus 155. I I yeah, I mean Benson like any. What did he get? Did he get a stick to the eye? Is that what happened? Is that why he missed those games? You saw the picture in practice.

[Whitney]

I don't know.

[Ryan]

Banged up, I don't know. But him getting back in.

[Whitney]

So he actually trained with that, that Combi guy too at the yard. So him and Bedard would be going in there. The, they would like they would cross over.

[Ryan]

I think they together.

[Whitney]

I think they had their private sessions. Sometimes they would be there at the same time but oftentimes it was like it was so, you know, he's putting the work in in the off season. Who the defenseman that you said is playing with Darlene. What, what type of player is he?

[G]

Steady. Stay at home. Let's Darlene do his thing.

[Ryan]

He's like Rob Scuderi. Yeah.

[G]

Just. But like I've said it before, when you're playing with a guy like that as an offensive guy, when you know your guys like you were talking about Sherrod with cider, it's like you know your guy's going to be there. It just opens up so much more that an offensive guy can do and not have any pressure of defending as much. I, I love them.

[Whitney]

Good. That's good to hear for if you're a Buffalo Sabres fan. Yeah. What else do we got, boys?

[G]

Well, I want to march in that game.

[Ryan]

I mean, ripping apart a helmet that you just ripped off somebody's head. I think Darlene got him with the cross check first.

[G]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

And you know, Marcy's not taking any of that shit. And how did he get his helmet? That's what I'm curious. Did he rip it off him or was he pick it up on. He's picked it up on the way to the box and decides I'm going to rip this Thing apart on the In. In the penalty box. I've never seen that done before. Leave it to Marshy to do something I've never.

[Whitney]

Innovator.

[G]

It's innovator.

[Whitney]

He's a true innovator.

[G]

It's got to be the weirdest $5,000 fine ever.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[G]

Like you did nothing to they find him for that five grand?

[Whitney]

Come on. Was it for attacking him, though?

[Ryan]

No, I think he kind of got cross checked first by.

[Whitney]

Yeah. Which is a hockey play technically. But then she's wires crossed. His wires.

[G]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

I mean, he ripped that thing apart so fast.

[G]

He's like the equipment manager was probably.

[Ryan]

So mad when the appetizers come in. Business sitting there. He's coming back to Boston tomorrow night.

[G]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

So I. I think the. I mean, the crowd is going to give him an incredible ovation and what he did there. And it's kind of nice being him, knowing he's going back, saying, I wanted to stay here like that. It's completely different. Like, I wanted a deal that they didn't want to give me, and then they traded me. So. Bruins fans, I think they'll let him hear it loud and clear. Sharks coach Ryan Wasofsky. I. I've known the Wasofskis forever as Keith has himself. Great family, great people. I'm guessing he wants this one back. Just kind of an odd quote. It does show to the pressure and, like, how difficult it is to coach in the NHL. Coach a team that's rebuilding and they haven't won. And the first game against Vegas was an absolute disaster. Then they had the Ducks game with all the goals, and all of a sudden he just says, I'd be willing to trade one of my children for I love them. Obviously, the guy just wants to win. He just maybe could word it different, I'm guessing.

[G]

But biz, well, you don't think business.

[Ryan]

Parents biz right away said, I love it.

[Whitney]

I love the move. Busy give up Challenges the players to ask themselves, well, what would you.

[Ryan]

This would give up a kid or Sparks pills.

[Tripp Tracy]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

Take my time.

[G]

And it challenges his kids to be better at home.

[Whitney]

Exactly. It's like, well, do you want to be the one that I give away up to you guys?

[Ryan]

Play the video. You could tell the frustration in a.

[Tripp Tracy]

Part of these slow starts here these last three, four years.

[Whitney]

I mean, how do you.

[Tripp Tracy]

This group, though, I mean, do you think it has sort of the resolve to sort of get back in it maybe a little bit more so than previous years?

[Unnamed Player]

Yeah, I think so. You know, again, a lot of new players. We got to just, just keep working, keep teaching from the coaches.

[Ryan]

We got to keep preparing them.

[Unnamed Player]

But yeah, trust me, it sucks. Keep telling myself there's got to be a reason why this keeps happen in a sense.

[Ryan]

You know, I, I give up one.

[Unnamed Player]

Of my child children for a win. So it's frustrated. I'm sorry for swearing.

[Merles]

I just.

[Unnamed Player]

We're very, very frustrated and we keep working at it.

[Whitney]

Love the move.

[Ryan]

The guy wants to win.

[Whitney]

That's passion.

[Ryan]

The guy wants to win.

[G]

Yeah.

[Whitney]

So there's, there's nothing that says I want to win like making your kid an orphan. Yeah, right.

[Ryan]

That's passion. That's passion. For sure. For sure. I think also Will Smith got bumped down in the lineup. Then he was asked about it and kind of said like, gonna kind of keep doing my thing. And I don't, I don't know. I don't know.

[Whitney]

And I would imagine he's probably one of the lowest paid coaches in the league. So less Christmas presents for one of your kids. Like he's thinking like, this is 3D chess for him, in my opinion.

[Ryan]

I'm basically speaking to my kids at home and press conference for the kitchen.

[Whitney]

Exactly. And then you're at, you're at the dinner table and I don't know how many he's got, two or three. And it's kind of like who's getting voted off the island? Oh, you didn't make your bed. Well, yeah, we're desperate for a win. What do you think, sweetie? All right, get the shoebox.

[Ryan]

In Winnipeg, Mark Scheifele passed Blake Wheeler for the most points in Winnipeg jets jets franchise history. Hit an early power play goal against the Predators to get that done.

[Whitney]

They're off to a hot start. Right standard though, always second in their division in the Central. Like, we knew that was coming. So we don't need to double risk them. They'll get a couple praise in a few weeks here.

[Ryan]

I feel horrible for Heidel on Vancouver Boys because I think maybe a month ago when we were chatting about teams, talking about Van, we said he could be great, but like this concussion thing, like that's. It gets dangerous. Like you start saying, all right, well, how many more can he get before he has to stop playing? I didn't have a problem with the hit. The Knox fans have a problem with the hit.

[G]

No, I think that even Foot said, I think it was a clean hit.

[Whitney]

There's going to be the idiots online who never played where they think any bit of contact, like throw the guy in Prison, lock away the key. Solitary confinement. But, well, and especially the fact that it's Tom Wilson. The one thing in the previews I said, it's like they're, they're already weak at center. Can they stay healthy? And Beatles had his history, guys, and it sucks. Like, awful timing. At what point does a guy who's been suffering so many of these, like say, hey, maybe this is not worth it? Especially if you're, if you're receiving two of them a year. I mean it's not like the physicality is going away. If anything, like we're in the era where it's, it's more embraced than it was 10, 15 years ago and they're not fucking magnifying glass over every hit. But yeah, sucks, man. It sucks because like he's such a talented player and when he's playing and I mean he had two goals the one game this year. So, you know, I think we've all kind of, even when we, when we were in the NHL, there's these eras where there are players who just seem to be able to receive like they're more susceptible to them. Like, who were the guys when we.

[G]

Were in where that would get hit like that?

[Whitney]

Well, they would just like it would seem like they were going out with a cocky. I mean, marks of art.

[Ryan]

And they become, you get them easier after you've had like it, it's just, it's this never ending cycle. Once you get a couple. That's just scary. And yeah, it's the, it's the one injury you're like, all right, well I'm, I'm, I'm Talking about the 50 years I have after I'm done playing.

[Whitney]

Yes.

[Ryan]

Repair knees, shoulders. And now he'll look like another one. He got off the ice, it looked like a concussion. The hit was enormous. It's Wilson, by the way, has nine points in six games. Like the guy he will be on Canada.

[G]

Yeah. But it's also too like if for a guy like him and he was playing well to. If he does come back, are you a shell of yourself when you come back? Because you're a little scared to go in the corners, whatever. So the concussion stuff's scary. You just hope he's okay and, and, and hopefully he does come back for the connection.

[Whitney]

So the. Who's the one? Adam Foot. Not Adam Foot.

[Ryan]

Dead Marsh.

[Whitney]

The second best passer of all time. First best.

[Ryan]

Ra's, first best.

[Whitney]

So Adam Oates works with a lot of high end skill guys and part of what he reinforces is Making sure your head is up when you're coming through the neutral zone and knowing where everybody is on the ice and, like, that is a skill in. At the NHL because the contact through the neutral zone is not going away. It's kind of like fetching in. In preseason where he saw the guy and he even looked up a few times. But when you're coming through those areas, you are going to get plowed. The guys are not going to let up. So for the Heatle purpose, like, when you're coming through there, you just have to be aware that you're going to.

[G]

Especially when Tom Wilson.

[Whitney]

Especially when Tom Wilson's on the ice. Like, that is going to happen.

[Ryan]

So I think Otis said before, like, there's fluke injuries, and that'll always be the case. But. But if you're trained well enough or have worked on this aspect of your game, you. You should never, like, get injured from a hit while you have the puck. No, because you should be able to understand where everyone is, and you should also be able to brace yourself when you know you need to. Like, there's things that are going to happen no matter what. But think of, like, you know, how many hits has Crosby ever taken with the puck? Like, his bad concussion was fluky.

[Tripp Tracy]

Fluke.

[Whitney]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

Like, there's a lot of guys, like, think of. Think of McKinnon, like, they're just.

[Whitney]

Just.

[Ryan]

They're not only moving at such a high pace and making plays, they're just so aware of where everyone is. Lidstrom, you couldn't hit them. Like, there's just. I think it really is a skill that you probably don't think of. Like, as a younger kid, you're working on stick handling and shooting, but having your head up and, like, realizing where everyone's coming from and who's on the ice. Maybe. Maybe it could be taught more the way Otis has talked about it with younger kids.

[G]

I remember Patrick Kane came in the league. Everyone's like, oh, he's too small. He's going to get smoked out here. But his head's up. The entire. Never gets hit.

[Whitney]

We've had the. The. The conversation about how they kept backing up when contact came in. Well, like, we've talked about on the podcast, like, through minor hockey in some areas, they backed up that age where.

[G]

Oh, I think with that so much so.

[Whitney]

So Butcher Gross came on and argued that point and. And made a lot of good points because, like, some kids at that age have, like, kind of hit their growth spurt where others haven't. Where you're talking about such a big weight and physical discrepancy. But. But I also feel like the younger you go, the less fast they can move. Like, the less of the impact will be.

[Ryan]

That's just like they're all Gumby.

[G]

But it teaches you to keep your head up.

[Whitney]

But you're gonna learn that at a very, very young age. As opposed. And also I truly feel there was about, I would say go back about 10 years for a five, six year window. Especially during the COVID time, everybody was uber sensitive to everything where it was almost like the onus is on the player without the puck, where it's like, nah, we're back to the era where if you're coming up with your head down through the new zone, you're going to get fucking rocked.

[Tripp Tracy]

Yeah.

[Whitney]

And we're not going to be doing the player safety bullshit every week. Oh, this, that suspension. It's like we're back to where it should be. So onus should be on the puck carrier knowing who the fuck's on the ice and who's breathing down their neck of the neutral zone. Quickly going back to Winnipeg. Tabes is look solid off the hop is fit in there seamlessly as well. The only thing I can remember in the outline that. That I want to talk about is the new mascot.

[G]

Tusky.

[Whitney]

Yeah, Tusky.

[Ryan]

And. And who went at him?

[Whitney]

Nar Gnarl. Gnarls from.

[G]

Oh, he's starting.

[Whitney]

So obviously we're. We're tight and he's team Biz and I'm team Tusky. And so he automatically adapts the Buoy rivalry. So we're gonna plot to buoy up all season long. Like it's essentially turned into gang wars with the mascots.

[G]

Wwe.

[Whitney]

I don't know who's on our side. Me and Snuffleupicus. I know that Gnarls isn't because Gnarls is the mascot for the Nashville Predators, who's also a blue prehistoric animal who's a mascot.

[Ryan]

So he's like he said, very original.

[Whitney]

Really original. Where now there's battles. Oh, I'm the first prehistoric blue animal mascot like you. You're taking my thunder. Where different conferences. Right. Isn't Nashville in the east now? Are these. They still don't know they're in the Central. Yeah, Same division, too.

[G]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

That's part of this, buddy.

[G]

This is.

[Ryan]

That's part of this.

[G]

This is east coast, west coast.

[Ryan]

The only time you don't need Ro Sparks is when you're talking Nar and Tuskegee.

[Tripp Tracy]

Wow.

[Whitney]

I'm on obviously Tusky's side. So if. If Gnarls wants to smoke, we're gonna bring it. And if you want to side with Buoy, side with Bowie.

[Ryan]

But are you in Tusky?

[Whitney]

Your enemy is my enemy.

[G]

With Gnarl and where's Gritty at and all this.

[Whitney]

I'm not a big gritty guy. Like no.

[Ryan]

If I thought the hide you in the face, right?

[Whitney]

He pied me in the face. He turned his back on me when we're there for an appearance. Shady and also like very cocky. Not really like, you know, hasn't done.

[Ryan]

Much and I'm better than you.

[Whitney]

It has a very.

[G]

He wasn't even there in the 80s when they were 70s.

[Ryan]

He's the new money 1975.

[Whitney]

You know what he is? He's new money from the tick tock era. Piece of no morals, no values. Gritty's. I'm not a gritty guy. Carlton the. The classiest of mascots. Like you couldn't.

[Ryan]

Wouldn't even protect his cubs if somebody ran into.

[Whitney]

No, no, no. He's protected. He's a loyal, caring father. He ain't. He ain't leaving. Leaving his kids. Like Bowie's the type of guy to leave his kids and not pay child.

[Ryan]

Support and dodge and they win a game.

[Whitney]

Yeah, Bowie is. Yeah. He's a complete dirtbag.

[Ryan]

I think we. We got one thing left for this showbiz.

[Whitney]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

And it's a big announcement.

[Whitney]

Biggest announcement in chicken.

[Ryan]

People have said, why are you not addressing what's going on? What the hell is happening? We've been figuring it all out. We've been taking our time. The Rear Admiral, he's making his return.

[Whitney]

Will return. Yeah.

[Ryan]

Rear Admiral. The man, the myth. Sometimes legend, sometimes degenerate. Don't really know what else. Sometimes he's back on the Thursday shows. Every week.

[Whitney]

We're gonna Friday shows. We're gonna record them Thursday.

[Ryan]

Record Thursday. My apology Friday drop. We will go over what's happened throughout the week since we recorded Monday live. We will then go to an interview that we've kind of talked about. One of those long form interviews that we used to have for, you know, each show. And then it's Ra's world. It's Ra's time to shine. It's Ra's discussion. Whatever he wants to talk about, we're gonna talk about. He's got to be prepared. He's got to be ready to go. He's got to have topics and God knows all you people have watched the show. Where these topics from paying for Brad Marchand's tickets to. What was the other thing he. Oh. I mean, the guy despises Elon Musk.

[Whitney]

Who knows going to the grocery store one minute before it closes and being mad at the staff at the fact that they're mad that he's keeping the store open like it is going to be a kinder surprise. A mixed bag of nuts like you do not know what you're getting. And not one second of hockey might be discussed. And that's okay, because RA loves movies. He loves bitching about, the craziest we've ever heard about. He likes to talk about Grind My Gear segments, whatever he wants. It's his world. And RA the warthog is back and he's got his own spot. Some of you might be saying, oh, well, why can't he be in the mix of the boys?

[Tripp Tracy]

Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Whitney]

We got the Monday show where he might have a Bruins topic he's hot to trot about. And we're bringing an RA live for the Monday show. He's not exiled from our podcast and talking about hockey. We just wanted to make sure that he has his own spot for the topics that he wants to cover. And he's going to drive the bus just like the old times when he opens it up with, hello, everybody. It is ra's World, baby.

[Ryan]

And there are, there are people. I, I, I am shocked that people thought that we were just kicking him to the side. He'd never be back, and we'd never address it like we're a family.

[G]

It is founding father.

[Ryan]

The founding father, ra. The guy had to get some things right. The, the dog collar, fake diamond necklace on the ice was kind of the last straw for the first version of ra. He's back. He'll be in the mix Thursday. Ra's world, like Biz said Monday. We don't know what's going to go on. RA could be on, he could be not on. It doesn't matter. But if you ever for a second thought that he was gone for good and we were never going to talk about it, you don't know the story. You don't know the family we have.

[Whitney]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

So he's back, and I can't wait to see what he brings to the table. God knows what he's going to be talking about. Something that's bugging R.A. lately. Like, you couldn't, I couldn't guess if you gave me a million guesses on what the hell.

[Whitney]

Well, okay, so I'll give you a funny inside scoop. So we obviously had one of these zoom meetings, and, you know, we open up the floor to him, like, is, you know, was there anything. Anything that's bothering you, anything that you want to get off your chest? And the first thing he could think of is some podcasts that we recorded where he was in his boxer briefs, and he, like, got up to, like, fix his papers, and then he had his ass to the camera, and everybody could see he was in his tighty whities. And then the fact that that was still in the podcast, where it's like.

[G]

Or put on pants.

[Whitney]

Maybe just you put on pants for work. It just me. I think that's more on you than on our editors, where they got other to worry about. Like, maybe just wear pants.

[Ryan]

He thought it was gotcha culture, but.

[Whitney]

But that's why we love ra, guys. Like, RA is a one. He's a one of one. He is a specimen, and we want him to be him, and he will be that. And he's gonna be a better version of himself after coming back after this break. And. And, you know, everybody needs a little reset once in a while, and everybody who follows us, like, we're. We're a whack pack. Like, everybody deserves a second chance, and this is his chance to return and blow everybody out of the water and also, like, bring more entertainment to our life. Because when RA is on his game, dude, like, we got the warthog. Like, we have these. These encrypted moments in our. Our podcast journey that will live forever. So I'm fired.

[Ryan]

I hope he comes on Thursday scratching his ass.

[Whitney]

I hope he's doing the same. I hope he's got a big skid mark in the back, too, just to really get it going right.

[Ryan]

Like, I'm back.

[Whitney]

I'm back. Nothing says you're back like, not wiping your ass, not using dude wipes. But, yeah, I think that's pretty much all we got to say about ra's return. And, yep, I. I'm. I think we're all just fired up.

[Ryan]

It's gonna be awesome.

[Whitney]

It's gonna be awesome.

[Ryan]

It's gonna be awesome.

[Whitney]

Awesome.

[Ryan]

And lastly, want to promote breast cancer awareness? Merch5040.org.org Jesus. Buy some merch. Let's buy some ladies some wigs. 540.org Go check it out. Breast Cancer Awareness Month. And we get all the merch and biz. Well, the Rangers score a goal at home tonight. We're in New York City.

[Whitney]

I'm not that optimistic. There was one more thing. So before we started recording this, we went on a podcast called Son of a Boy Dad.

[Ryan]

Yes.

[Whitney]

And it's a barstool podcast with Francis Ellis Little Sass, who's like a. The one of a kind comedian. He was in Le Mascots. And then Roan who we've had on our podcast before, who was like a battle rapper. He's a genius at what he does. He was just on this live streamers stream Kaiet. I'm not familiar with the guy, but he, I guess he gets like a million concurrents of people watching what he's doing. Ron obviously crushed the freestyle on that. So. So these guys are just three genius minds, like faster and quicker witted than us. We all three of us went on their podcast. So the six of us sat down. Check them out tomorrow. They're huge juggernauts at barstool in the comedy world. They do stand up all over the country, so support them in that way. So check out that.

[Ryan]

And Francis has RA stories too.

[Whitney]

Francis has a couple or one RA story and it's just an all timer, so it just fit in perfectly and reminded me that we went on that podcast and RA is one of a kind and I can't wait to see him on Thursday.

[Ryan]

He'll be back Thursday. I can't wait. First live show in the books right there for this season. Thank you everyone. Thank you to the chat. Thank you to Trip Tracy, real name emt. Never knew that.

[Whitney]

Thank you. Thank you to Fishy and G for scrambling and getting this our mic set up. Before this podcast, we got the best production team in the world. Berta, Memy, Nick. Nick is in the fold.

[G]

Bad driver.

[Whitney]

He got fired as our personal driver.

[Ryan]

That guy can't drive.

[Whitney]

But we love all you guys. Pasha, even though he's a devil's fan and he's a jock sniffer, we love our whole team. Julia, who runs the whole Pink Whitney account. Arm Dog.

[Ryan]

Arm Dog. What's he up to right now?

[Whitney]

Well, you know what, GM Jones it. Let's just thank everybody.

[Ryan]

Wednesday, game notes, noon. You want the Chiclets? We're going Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Chiclets. I mean, game notes Wednesday, noon. Arm Dog and Mer. Mer can go into that bad beat a little bit more. I'm sure he will. He'll be talking about that for the next 10 years, but that's it.

[Whitney]

Ra is back, bitches.

[Ryan]

Back, baby. A bad habit worth breaking, but it's taking time.

[Whitney]

I don't know.

[Ryan]

It don't matter. It's gonna happen.

[Whitney]

It's gonna happen again. Wan.