Spittin’ Chiclets Episode 601: Featuring James Duthie + Mike Matheson

Summary

Spittin’ Chiclets Episode 601: Featuring James Duthie + Mike Matheson

Release Date: December 1, 2025
Hosts: Ryan Whitney, Paul “Biz Nasty” Bissonnette, Rear Admiral, Keith Yandle, Mike Grinnell
Guests: James Duthie, Mike Matheson

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Episode Overview

The 601st episode of Spittin’ Chiclets is a classic blend of hockey insight, irreverent humor, and storytelling. The crew recaps the latest in NHL action, discusses injuries and standout performances, and catches up with current Montreal Canadiens defenseman Mike Matheson after his new contract extension. Storytelling takes center stage as beloved TSN host James Duthie drops by to share fun and emotional tales from his newest hockey book. The episode balances deep hockey analysis, hilarious anecdotes, a few heart-tugging moments, and the usual off-the-cuff banter—making it a can’t-miss listen for hockey fans and lovers of the game’s culture.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. NHL Recap and Injury Woes

• Bruins’ Lineup Challenges:
  • Whitney and Biz reflect on a tough Thanksgiving game for Boston after news breaks that Pastrnak, Zacha, and McAvoy are all out. Whitney immediately bets against them (“I just hammered the Rangers as quickly as possible…” — Ryan Whitney, 03:32).
  • “No pasta on the Bruins is, like, it’s pretty ugly.” (Ryan Whitney, 03:56)
  • Morgan Geeky steps up as an unlikely leading goal-scorer, surprising even the crew with his hot streak and 103mph shot.
• Injury Parade:
  • Across the league, injuries are a constant: “We got barbecue accidents. We got other guys burning themselves too.” (Biz Nasty, 07:11)
  • Blues defenseman burns himself at home — cue, laughs and speculation about what really happened.
• Thanksgiving Vibes:
  • Yandle provides a window into the grind: returns home from travel sick as a dog; crew jokes about being “warriors” for toughing out the podcast when ill.

2. College Hockey & Next-Gen Talent

• Rinkside Stories:
  • Yandle visits Harvard vs. Michigan — first college game in 25+ years. Highlights Sean Horkoff’s son Will: “Best player on the ice… smart player, always in the right spot.” (Keith Yandle, 07:45)
  • Plant brothers at Duluth/Boston — the crew shouts out their “Game Notes” interview with them (09:11).
• Old School vs. New School:
  • College hockey assessed as still traditional—“not a ton of playmaking,” but a few “standouts.” Yandle: “College hockey is still a straightforward game.” (14:10)
• Chiclets Media Corner:
  • Crew hypes their “Game Notes” & “Sandbagger” series, plus a moving Craig Fitzpatrick interview (“bringing hope to so many blind people who love the game…” — Ryan Whitney, 10:02).

3. NHL Standouts and Viral Moments

• Kyle Palmieri’s Warrior Shift:
  • Palmieri tears his ACL, still strips an opponent and sets up a goal before leaving the ice. Lauded as a “consummate hockey player” and used as a lesson in toughness for young players (Ryan Whitney, 22:32; Biz Nasty, 24:10).
• Morgan Geeky’s Breakout:
  • Bizarre, unexpected season—crew is both amazed and amused by his sudden rise.

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Featured Interview: Mike Matheson

[26:34–49:54]

Contract Extension & Loyalty

• Matheson discusses his decision to stay in Montreal for less money:

  “I feel like it’s important to show your teammates you’ll take less, leave money on the table for them... especially as we start contending.” (Mike Matheson, 28:22)

• Chooses stability and a chance at a championship over a bigger UFA payday.

Team Culture & Playing in Montreal

• Discusses being bilingual in Montreal: English at home, French school, which helps with media and team.
• The intensity and hockey knowledge of Canadiens fans—every subtle defensive play gets noticed.

On Young Talent: Matvei Demidov

• “He’s incredible…edges, hands, vision. In practice, you have to give him a little bit of extra space. Guys already know he’s one of those guys.” (Mike Matheson, 32:03)

• Demidov’s “New Balance tracksuit” fashion attempt when dress code was vaguely referenced.

Development, Skating, and Humility

• Matheson never had a private skating coach; credits BC’s Greg Brown and learning by observation, repetition, and trial/error.
• Self-assessment on losing first power-play minutes to Lane Hutson:

  “It boils down to ego, right? ... He's way better than me at it… It just means I have to find a different way to contribute.” (Mike Matheson, 48:14)

Playing for Martin St. Louis

• Praises St. Louis’ passion, knowledge, and approach:

  “He’s here grinding away, bringing that energy and passion every single day… makes you think about the game totally different.” (43:14)

Notable Quotes & Moments:

• “My main goal was to be on a team that has a chance to win in the near future.” (Mike Matheson, 28:22)
• On Nick Suzuki for Team Canada:

  “He could play any line, play a super responsible game or drive offense… What better player to have in a tournament format?” (Mike Matheson, 46:04)

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Storytelling & Heart: Guest James Duthie

[80:28–125:51]

On Hockey Storytelling Culture

• James shares how Chiclets helped usher in a golden era for hockey stories—players more comfortable to tell and laugh at themselves.
• Discusses his new book and the inspiration drawn from years of panel-side NHL stories.

  “Sometimes I will get a chapter done… and then two months later, [the guest] comes on your pod and tells it.” (James Duthie, 86:48)

Favorite Book Excerpts & Stories

1. Brady Tkachuk Prank on Giroux ([90:40–94:12]):
   • Brady cut Giroux's sticks before a practice as payback for a prank. Giroux unknowingly uses them in a game, snaps several sticks, is fuming, and only learns afterward it was Brady.

     “Dude, we’re trying to win in the NHL.” (Claude Giroux, 93:35)

2. Brendan Morrison’s Arbitration ([95:25–99:31]):
   • Canucks' lawyer humiliates Morrison with a “mouse and elephant” story to minimize his on-ice contributions. Morrison later earns a caricature of himself as the mouse.
3. Todd Simpson ‘Purple Dye’ Prank in Phoenix ([100:00–104:04]):
   • Simpson loaded teammates’ gear with heat-activated purple dye, turning the whole locker room into a disaster zone and costing thousands in ruined gear.
4. Ray Whitney’s ‘Cabbage Rolls’ Accident ([120:19–124:18]):
   • Whitney eats too many cabbage rolls before a game, loses control during anthems; leads to an emergency mid-game locker room gear change.
5. Emotional Tributes:
   • Duthie’s most heartfelt chapter recounts the Goodrow tragedy: “I wanted it for something. When their kids grow up, they could read and say, ‘Oh, this is what my dad was like.’” (James Duthie, 111:25)
   • Celebrini family chapter spotlights Macklin’s father’s athletic background and training philosophy.

Notable Quotes:

• “You can’t wrap togetherness, but you can frame it with Aura Frames.” (James Duthie, 128:01 – reading an ad, but fits thematic content)
• On Bob McKenzie:

  “Even when he wasn’t trying, when he was semi-retired, he would break the biggest deals… he’s the only guy where the GMs call him...” (James Duthie, 116:41)

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Other Notable Segments & Lighter Moments

Hockey Culture, Stats & NHL Chatter

• Dallas Stars’ Quiet Dominance:
  • Crew marvels at Wyatt Johnson and Jason Robertson; “Dallas… they are not getting talked about.”
• Tampa Bay Lightning’s Bounce-Back:
  • Stats post-Chiclets bump: 15-3 since Coach Cooper’s podcast appearance (“Coop for Jack Adams!” — Biz Nasty, 62:11).
• Pink Whitney Stick Banter:
  • Dream of seeing a Pink Whitney stick used in an NHL game; debate which player would best “carry the torch” (Demidov, Voracek, etc.)
• Undrafted Thousand-Game Club:
  • Emotional Brendan Dillon video and fact-checking on undrafted players to reach 1,000 NHL games.

Player Toughness & Team Dynamics

• On Fighting & Protecting Stars:
  • Discussions about Detroit and Chicago’s need for more physical presence, protection for young stars; mid-show, Yandle and Biz reminisce about scrappy NHL days.

Off-Ice & Pop Culture

• Lane Kiffin’s College Football Drama ([148:40–158:39]):
  • Wild stories about massive coaching contracts, buyouts, and Kiffin’s escapades at Ole Miss and LSU.
  • Mock incredulity about the whole “college football as free agency” environment; humorous comparisons to NHL culture.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments w/timestamps

• “No pasta on the Bruins is, like, it’s pretty ugly.” — Ryan Whitney (03:56)
• “We got barbecue accidents. We got other guys burning themselves, too.” — Biz Nasty (07:11)
• “[Morgan Geeky] has the hardest recorded shot in the NHL this year at over 103 miles an hour.” — Ryan Whitney (04:03)
• “Kyle Palmieri… had every right to lay down with a torn ACL, strips a defenseman, little dish over... what a video to show to young kids.” — Ryan Whitney (22:31)
• “You need to hear a little more confidence from [Geeky], and then he’ll have 50.” — Keith Yandle (06:11)
• “If everybody’s taking a little bit less… you’ve seen it on all the teams that have been able to do it. Pitt, back in the day… Florida’s been showing that.” — Mike Matheson on contract culture (28:22)
• “Guys already know that [Demidov] is one of those guys” — Mike Matheson (32:54)
• “It boils down to ego, right? … He's obviously bringing a lot on that side of the puck… My job is to find a different way to drive success for the team.” — Mike Matheson (48:14)
• “Brady’s such a good guy, he can’t not say it. So, gee, it was me—I cut your sticks!” — James Duthie on Tkachuk pranking Giroux (93:35)
• “Just want to get one [game].” — Brendan Dillon, emotional milestone (131:12)

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Timestamps: Key Segments

• NHL Injury Woes & Bruins’ Lineup: 03:08–06:58
• College Hockey/Rinkside Redux: 07:34–17:41
• Palmieri Warrior Shift: 22:32–26:32
• Mike Matheson Interview: 26:34–49:54
• James Duthie Interview/Book Stories: 80:28–125:51
• Ray Whitney ‘Cabbage Roll’ Story: 120:19–124:18
• Brendan Dillon, 1000-Game Milestone: 130:20–134:40
• Lane Kiffin/College Football Rant: 148:40–158:39

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Summary Takeaway

Episode 601 delivers what Spittin’ Chiclets does best: a no-filter view into the culture and quirks of hockey, where on-ice heroics intersect with locker-room shenanigans, and superstars share the spotlight with everyday grinders. Mike Matheson’s humility and intelligence resonate, while James Duthie’s storytelling stitches the emotional and the absurd together. Hockey lifers and casual fans alike will find laughter, insight, and maybe a few tears as the crew reminds us why the game—and the stories around it—continue to inspire.

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For the true experience, check out the full interviews and book readings for even more laughter and context.

Transcript

[Ryan Whitney]

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[James Duthie]

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[Ryan Whitney]

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[Keith Yandle]

Me and Ryan have been officially welcomed.

[Ryan Whitney]

To the jungle that is barstool sports.

[Biz Nasty]

I brought it toward the Coyotes and I asked them if it was okay if I joined the Spit Chickens podcast full time.

[Ryan Whitney]

Ryan Whitney Got a pink Whitney out there now.

[James Duthie]

Sandbagger. Get that on camera.

[Ryan Whitney]

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[Keith Yandle]

B. Whoa, we're buzzing right now.

[Ryan Whitney]

What is oh biz on that body armor? What is up?

[Biz Nasty]

Oh, sorry. What's up guys?

[Ryan Whitney]

What is up? Episode 601 of the Spitting Chicklets podcast. I love you guys shouting oh, body armor. But first we got to talk about Discover. This episode is presented by Discover, sponsored by Discover, the official credit card of the National Hockey League. We got plenty to get into with the NHL. No matter if your team wins or loses, Discover is there for you with cash back on all your post game purchases. With this Discover it card, you can earn cash back on every purchase. So celebratory wings just got even better. Learn [e-mail] credit card cash back on team gear, cash back on tickets, cash back on fries, etc. Etc. The Discover NHL Winter Classic is taking place January 2, 2026 in Miami. Well, welcome to Miami. Tune into Biz Idiot on tnt. Get cash back on every purchase with the Discover it card. Learn [e-mail] credit card guys, what a week. What a weekend. We just had hockey everywhere, football everywhere. Lane Kiffin, one of the biggest scumbags of all time. This guy's unbelievable.

[James Duthie]

I love him.

[Ryan Whitney]

I love unbelievable this guy. I love it. We'll get into that maybe later. But how was everyone's Thanksgiving biz? Did you do anything? Keith was home. I didn't get to see him. But how was yours?

[Biz Nasty]

No, I flew on Thanksgiving to Atlanta because I had the Friday. We had the Friday broadcast. It was the matinee game where I believe you got a box for.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yes.

[Biz Nasty]

Tough, tough sledding. You find out that day that pasta's out. Who's the other guy?

[Ryan Whitney]

I'm in the elevator. It's like 12:30, right around warm ups, and I hadn't really been on my phone. We had 18 people, and I'm just kind of on Twitter, and I'm like, oh, Pastronox not playing. And. And the boys, they were like, what? Like they thought I was messing with them. It was his first Miss game in, like, four years, I think, too. And then I saw Zaka was out and McAvoy's already out, and I just hammered the Rangers as quick, quickly as.

[Keith Yandle]

Possible just to make up for buying that box.

[James Duthie]

Oh, should.

[Biz Nasty]

Exactly. Exactly.

[Keith Yandle]

I mean, if I was the kids, I would ask to go homes in the elevator. I'd be like, let's just go down.

[Ryan Whitney]

No pasta on the Bruins is like, it's pretty. It's pretty ugly.

[Biz Nasty]

That's a straight up AHL lineup without those.

[Ryan Whitney]

Hey. Nope. Because they got the leading goal scorer in the NHL somehow, some way. Morgan Geeky, which any guy, like, he just tips a beautiful one in that day. I. I don't know how he has 20 goals, but I did just see he has the hardest recorded shot in the NHL this year at over 103 miles an hour. I didn't know. I knew he ripped it. I knew his release was nice. I didn't know it was that heavy.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah, well, he's got an unreal release, and apparently he was working again on it all summer. He actually tried to change sticks, but ended up going back to what he was using. Found that odd in the fact that you're. You're the leading goal scorer in the NHL since January 1st. I wouldn't change a goddamn thing. But there you go. There you have it right there. I think Geeky took the lead, and then McKinnon quickly then took it back, and then obviously Geeky got another one where I feel like, like, two or three of the last five for Geeky have been Tippins. So not only that quick release, just anywhere in that house pocket. He's fine in the net. So a special player and an absolute score at five and a half million. I know Grinelli was just jerking his chicken when in the group chat, talking about his AAV for years to come. So still, they. They ended up. When they. They dropped that one, but they ended up winning that next one. So Bruins, congratulations. Still staying afloat with that lineup. And you gotta imagine that their coach is probably top. At least top five for coach of the year right now.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah, he's in the mix. Keith, how was it being home?

[Keith Yandle]

It was good.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah.

[Keith Yandle]

Everything was great. Great to see everybody. You know, Thanksgiving, just such a whirlwind of a couple days, but it was good. And obviously, you know what happens when you travel. You come back, you wake up sick. You're sick of the dog in the middle of the night, can't move. Had to get IVS earlier today so I could make the show. So shout out me.

[Ryan Whitney]

People may not know we're warriors. Like, we grind through these shows. I think I missed one. I was sick once. Biz called, and I'm on the bed, and, like, Bree's talking to him, and I think you could hear me puking. He's like, all right, all right. I understand he can't make it, but we've grinded.

[Keith Yandle]

It's live, so we got to do it. We got to do it.

[Ryan Whitney]

But I.

[Keith Yandle]

Did you guys see the comments when they asked Geeky about being in the lead with MC with McKinnon? He's like, yeah, I just don't belong there. But, like, at some point, you got to believe in yourself, right? I know early in the year, Pasta was telling him to keep shooting, that he's a goal scorer and everything and getting confidence from his teammates, but you need. I need to hear a little more confidence from him, and then he'll have 50.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah. Pasta is the one who said he could get 50, which is kind of crazy. And then I think since, you know, we got a month left in 20, 25, I believe since January 1st of this year, he's leading the league in goals. Maybe. Maybe somebody could correct me on that one. G. It's right up near the top, so.

[James Duthie]

But.

[Ryan Whitney]

But a brutal hockey game. A brutal hockey game. And you know what? The Rangers, then they get a big win, and the next day, Tampa. Whose money we're gonna get into Tampa.

[Biz Nasty]

We've.

[Ryan Whitney]

We've had to. We've had to kind of hold it, but we're gonna talk about Tampa. They pounded him, and they lost Adam Fox. So the injuries. We got another injury in St. Louis where a guy burnt himself at home. I don't know what the. Is going on.

[Keith Yandle]

What?

[Biz Nasty]

We got barbecue accidents. We got guy. Other guys burning themselves, too.

[Ryan Whitney]

It's not good. It's not good. It's really, really ugly. But, yeah, that's.

[Biz Nasty]

You think you got the hot candle wax out? Like, what was the.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah, a little BDSM or whatever.

[Biz Nasty]

I don't know.

[Ryan Whitney]

That's where you ask him. That's where.

[Keith Yandle]

Like, I don't know what he's into, but, hey, I mean, I can't put it past anyone these days.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah.

[Keith Yandle]

You know what I did do when I was home with. Is I went to a college game. I was trying to remember the last college game I went to. It had to have been 20, 25 years, maybe more.

[Biz Nasty]

Was it Harvard and who.

[Keith Yandle]

I think you said Harvard versus Michigan. And I tell you what, our good friend Sean Horkoff, his son Will is gonna be making so much money in the National Hockey League. Shout out to your boy Dubus Biz for Dr. He is. He. He was unbelievable. He was the best player on the ice, both teams. I loved watching him play. Just a smart player, too. Knows how to. You can tell he grew up with an NHL dad around the locker room. He was just always in the right spot. It was. It was fun to watch him and everyone else, not so much.

[Ryan Whitney]

He is. He's enormous. Hork's wife, I think she's like six feet tall. He's. He's got to be six, five, if not six. Six. He leads the nation in goals. I think he leads the nation in points. They got that Max Plant. Oh, no. He's Detroit pick. Is it his brother G. Sam.

[Keith Yandle]

He's Montreal pick, I think. No, Plant on. Sorry. Yeah.

[Ryan Whitney]

Duluth. Basically, the Penguins have the leader in goals and the leader in assist in National Hockey League right now. Okay, so I guess I'm. I guess I'm wrong or.

[Biz Nasty]

You mean in NCAA.

[Ryan Whitney]

You mean NCAA. Excuse me. Zam plant. 17 apples. This plant family. And there's another one coming. But, yeah, I saw that. I got to see Hawk because he was at the game against the Rangers. Detroit was playing in town the next day. He was going over. So it's kind of sick how Will and Michigan happened to be in Boston playing Harvard. He was there for the Red Wings. Great to catch up with him. Detroit, man, I thought the league did that on purpose.

[Biz Nasty]

Well, hey, and quick shout out to game notes. They had the Plant boys on. On the podcast, so I don't know how many of you who are watching live right now or who will listen later. Make sure you go check out our our Spitting Chiclets YouTube channel where you get the game notes section. You can go watch the game notes podcast.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yep. Yep. And we had a great week.

[Biz Nasty]

Or 4429,000followers now we jumped up like 3k since we dropped the last sandbagger and of course ch. Main one. Did you get a chance to watch it since we're talking about college hockey?

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah, it's. It's. It's amazing. And I'm not a main guy. I'm a BU guy, but it's awesome and it is very. It's an intimate setting there. Gee, you and fish, you guys did a phenomenal job. Merly's toss. I don't know if everyone's seen Merly try to throw his hat on the ice. It was the worst hat throw I've ever seen in my life. Merles knows it. He ended up getting the hat back, but gave you crushed. That we dropped last week was awesome because we had that we had, you know, two pods and we had the game notes boys. Craig Fitzpatrick interview. I know it dropped on Thanksgiving if everyone didn't have a chance. Just an inspirational interview at least personally for me, a guy who's, you know, been through so much, has done so much for. For our country and, and is just bringing hope to so many blind people who love the game of hockey and want to play. I. I didn't know what to expect. Biz, because you had met him and I loved doing that interview. It was awesome.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah. When, when I met him, I just knew. He said. He listened to the pod and I said hey, we'd love to have you on. Just like his spirit and his enthusiasm for the game and to have something like that happen to you and bring so much positivity to every day, it. It would be very difficult and, and he does it like a champ. So like you said, just an inspiration to so many blind people out there. And I really hope that they. When the. The Olympics gets to Salt Lake that by then they. They do have blind hockey in the Paralympics. That would be awesome to see. And Yance.

[Keith Yandle]

Well, I was going to say if you have anything to do with it because everyone you've shouted out that should be the. On the Olympic team or have anything to do with the Olympics.

[Ryan Whitney]

Hall of Fame.

[Keith Yandle]

Hall of Fame. It gets done. So keep shouting this out, Bizkit, because we need blind hockey.

[Ryan Whitney]

Okay.

[Biz Nasty]

I don't know. Hockey is He.

[Keith Yandle]

No, I mean, they just put Canada just put Wedgwood on the list.

[Biz Nasty]

Did they?

[Ryan Whitney]

Actually, yeah. No.

[Biz Nasty]

Okay. I didn't see that. That was the one thing. Okay. A couple clicks for busy boy.

[Ryan Whitney]

And I think that you've been pushing this Dubious Content Factory machine, and all of a sudden he releases that video with the mayor of Pittsburgh. I don't know if I had seen and forgot, like, this whole mayor of Pittsburgh dubious lookalike thing, but the video, I forgot. I didn't remember because I was like, this is hilarious. They are legit twins. Except I think the mayor's, like, five, four. I mean, he was a little guy, but they looked exactly alike. Wait, that's not. No, no, I don't think I've seen.

[Keith Yandle]

That's not real.

[Biz Nasty]

No, that's not AI. That's real.

[Ryan Whitney]

And how tall is Dubious Biz?

[Biz Nasty]

He looks like he's six, seven.

[Ryan Whitney]

He looks like he's standing on his wallet, maybe.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah, exactly.

[Ryan Whitney]

People get mad at 6 7. I love 6 7.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah. Oh, I love it too. I love 6.

[Ryan Whitney]

7 is the best. Like, I'm telling you, I'm not an adult. That's like. I'm so annoyed by this. I love it. We were down. We were down this weekend. Seven, five. On Sunday morning, we played against this kid. Every game we play, he gets eight goals. I don't know how this kid is playing at our level. We're not the top level. And we're down 7 5, and we made it 7 6. We're the only team that would still be losing a game and have the entire bench go bananas. That it was six, seven. I'm talking all the kids. Six, seven, six, seven. Started doing it.

[James Duthie]

We're losing.

[Ryan Whitney]

It's the third period.

[Biz Nasty]

No.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah, I don't care. 6, 7, 41. I love it. Every. It's inclusive to every kid. Nobody's getting, like, bullied on. And it's just dumb humor.

[Biz Nasty]

I agree.

[Keith Yandle]

Ryder's probably getting bullied for his dad doing it on the bench. That's about.

[Ryan Whitney]

No, no, no, no, no, no. Every kid loves it. You don't get bullied for 6, 7 ever. Jerk.

[Biz Nasty]

Do you think it'll ever get old?

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah, at some point, then there'll be another stupid thing that I'll be all in with kids, stupid humor is right up my alley. Guys. I'm not exactly like.

[Biz Nasty]

No, I know.

[Ryan Whitney]

I love a rocket Scientologist here. Like, I like stupid humor.

[Biz Nasty]

Going back to the Dubas video. Funny, they got the two phones going, like, at the draft. The one Year. So making fun of himself. Self deprecating, Very likable. Right?

[Ryan Whitney]

Yes.

[Biz Nasty]

All of a sudden. Doobies. Hey, this is. Hey, did I tell you to buy the stock at the right time or what?

[Ryan Whitney]

Well, they did get pounded by your.

[Biz Nasty]

Leafs but I know they dropped that video same day as the Dubas ball and now they're 02 in the Dubus ball and get pumped at home. So to tough sledding but obviously very happy for my Leafs. But we were touching on college hockey a little bit. Were you guys done like Yan's, like what's what, what was the pace like? Did you have a good time?

[Keith Yandle]

Like yeah, it was great. That rink, that Harvard rink, I think it was perfect size. It was packed, it's, it was awesome. But like just like a bottom row, you know, biz probably. What would you say? 5, 000 people maybe?

[Ryan Whitney]

No, no, not even. No, I, I, I'd say max 3, 535.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah, it was perfect size. It's like what we should have had when we were in Phoenix for a while. Just 3, 500 sold out. But it was awesome. You know what, like hearing about Michigan, I thought they were gonna go in, I thought they were gonna dominate them. I thought they were going to be doing tic tac toes everywhere. But college hockey is just kind of still a straightforward game. You're not really getting a ton of play making like there was a couple guys that were, that was stand out that were really good. Like Draper's kid is just like him, the way he plays like flying up and down the ice. There was a ton of. St. Louis had a kid on Harvard. Hey, Duke had two kids on Harvard, I believe so there were a lot of NHL alumni guys on the team. But yeah, I thought that, I thought the hockey was going to be more skilled. I'm not, I don't know why, but it was, it was kind of still that old school college hockey that I remembered of the, you know, straight north cell type game.

[Biz Nasty]

Do you find that, do you find that more former players have kids playing now than before or is it just recently?

[Ryan Whitney]

I was wondering that too. I don't know. I don't know. I'd like to look at the numbers. I bet you at the highest level it's always been somewhat similar. Maybe not. That's a great question because you, I think we just more hear about them and think about them but when you look it's not like that many. But that was the rink I scored my first college goal in night before Thanksgiving my freshman year. Harvard Rink. I'll never forget that one. And it is a great rank. What did you. Did you notice Michael Hague, the Canadiens prospect? He plays on Michigan. He's supposed to be very, very legit.

[Keith Yandle]

He was a good. He was a really good passer. Him and. Him and HORC were really good together, especially on the power play. Just kind of finding each other. You could tell that those two were kind of at a different level than everybody else. Just like their hockey sense wise, that they. They were the two that were making like the little plays that you see in an NHL game. Like little, you know, little breakout passes. Hitting a guy through the middle center, low. Not just like flipping it up and going to change. But G was telling me that what league is Harvard at? Ecac.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yes.

[Keith Yandle]

That that's like their type of game. So maybe Harvard drug him into that type of fight. And maybe if. If, you know, Michigan was playing a BC or a BU would be a little different. But all in all, it was a fun, fun experience. Saw a ton of people, you know, the hockey world, obviously Chiclets fans as well. But yeah, it was a blast to be there. Went with my brother and his two and his three boys too. So always fun to watch with them.

[Biz Nasty]

Is Cornell in that same division?

[Ryan Whitney]

Yes. This year I think the top team in the ECAC is Dartmouth. They've looked very good.

[Biz Nasty]

You know who plays at Dartmouth?

[James Duthie]

Who?

[Biz Nasty]

Kate McCray's brother.

[Keith Yandle]

Shut up.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah, yeah, I noticed that he follows me on social media, so I followed him back. I haven't said anything yet. I was. I was gonna. I was gonna DM him, like, blink twice, you know, if. If she's working undercover.

[Keith Yandle]

But it's probably just some random kid named McCrae.

[Biz Nasty]

No, no, there's pictures up with her and stuff like that, but. But so somebody reposted it. Maybe it was her of them pumping somebody like seven two. So he. He's playing there now and then just quickly going back to the university. Talk of Chiclets. You. GS actually doing BU next one this weekend.

[Ryan Whitney]

He's filming it. And I gotta try. I got all the kids solo this weekend. The wife's away on a little girls trip. It's one of the most intimidating things of all time. I think Dad's out there will tell you. You got, you got now. Also, show her Happy birthday, Ryder. Damn. Thanksgiving. He turned eight. So. Riders eight, Wyatt's five, cows one. And I got them all from Friday, Friday morning to Sunday night. So it's like I'll be doing like pregame naps and like maybe some pregame meals, getting ready for the weekend. And we have Amazon prime coast to coast Thursday night. I can't wait for that. So I'll be driving home after and then getting right into it. So I'm gonna try to.

[Biz Nasty]

So you got a late night coast to coast. They should. We should let you leave after the early games because you're doing that.

[Ryan Whitney]

That's fine, guys. Don't even, don't even be too nice. I want to stay with you guys. I want late games. Those 10 o' clock starts, you see some crazy stuff happen in some of those games. Maybe Celebrino will be playing. I'm obsessed with watching Celebrini. I'm obsessed with the Anaheim Ducks. Anaheim, Chicago on Sunday.

[James Duthie]

What a hockey game.

[Ryan Whitney]

But quickly I'm gonna try to get into BEU to be a part of that with G. And if not, I think I can go back with him and film and get involved in that before it releases. But I love that he's finally representing the Terriers on that and going back.

[Biz Nasty]

To, to the one with Maine. I thought that the players that he did it with were like, they brought such good enthusiasm in that one and like drew me in. So unreal facility. I love how the, like the, the modernization of like the, the. The locker room and everything they got going in there. And then you walk out that crazy tunnel they got and then boom. The old school barn with the nostalgia. So I know we've had a lot of content coming out with the sandbagger peeking and stuff, but any of you Chiclets fans, make sure you check that out because those are. That's one of our best series. Going shout out to Fishing G and Merle's on this one too.

[Ryan Whitney]

And Peking final episode, Wednesday, 8:00pm Eastern.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah.

[Ryan Whitney]

Very excited for that final one. Basically, you guys, it's a very emotional.

[Biz Nasty]

A very emotional and then humorous ending in a sense where. Yeah, this was not planned before we started filming this. And by the end of it it was. It was a. One of the best life experiences I've ever had. And I can't wait for you people to see it. But an hour long.

[Ryan Whitney]

We have a trailer. I want to see it.

[Biz Nasty]

We got a lot of new characters. This is when it gets a little dicey.

[Ryan Whitney]

This is insane. Got run over by a truck.

[Biz Nasty]

It was like touch and go if.

[James Duthie]

I was going to die or not.

[Biz Nasty]

These roots, it's like a minefield. You got to catch up to those guys.

[Ryan Whitney]

We're in a different planet right now.

[Biz Nasty]

Oh, no, wait, Wait, wait, wait.

[Ryan Whitney]

No, no.

[Keith Yandle]

Oh, go.

[Ryan Whitney]

I'm going down.

[Biz Nasty]

This doesn't make sense now, does it? This Suzuki purrs like an Irish gypsy. Can you believe it?

[Ryan Whitney]

Can't wait. That perspective. That's a perspective type video. I could tell from the, from the trailer biz.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah, we've had a lot of that with.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah, we have. Which I love having that.

[Biz Nasty]

It's good.

[Ryan Whitney]

You know, I'm trying to go. I'm getting rattled about three kids alone all weekend. It's like buddy wood kick.

[Biz Nasty]

Would you ever hire. Would you ever.

[Ryan Whitney]

No, I'm. I'm joking around.

[James Duthie]

We'll have a blast.

[Ryan Whitney]

We got games all weekend anyways. We buzzing around.

[Biz Nasty]

But would you ever like maybe bring a buddy in or just like one extra helping hand? Like just call somebody, see if.

[Ryan Whitney]

I'll see if Susan wits around for sure.

[Keith Yandle]

Brother.

[Ryan Whitney]

What do the.

[Keith Yandle]

Brian Yandel. Whenever his wife would leave for like an hour, he'd have like 15 people at the house. Just you know, all hands on deck. It takes.

[Ryan Whitney]

I know but back then none of us had kids. We had nothing to do. Now everyone has kids. He has stuff going on.

[Keith Yandle]

I might drag nothing though. His kids are out of the house. Exactly.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah. Wait biz. I'm getting news here.

[Keith Yandle]

You.

[Ryan Whitney]

You hurt your L5s one again. If it's after this track workout I saw you post about.

[Biz Nasty]

I tweaked it on the track workout.

[Ryan Whitney]

But. But hey, listen, doing track workouts because.

[Biz Nasty]

I, I had a. I've been going consistently in a sense of like working out. I had two good hikes. I think because of the, the. The two hikes. I was a little tight lower body and didn't get a big enough dynamic warmup. And then I did one. You know when you kind of do a couple bound jumps and then you. And then you sprint.

[Ryan Whitney]

No, I don't. That's the thing. I don't.

[James Duthie]

Yeah.

[Ryan Whitney]

When I feel bond, I don't play anything dog.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah, I tweaked it. But you know what though? I got up this morning at 6:30 and went and saw my trainer for 8:00 clock and you know, did the bike and did some movement stuff and just making sure I'm stretching my hip flexors. So I'm not gonna. If I ever do it again like I did yesterday, I'm not gonna let it bring me down anymore. I'm gonna, I'm gonna take a few anti inflammatory. Why you make. Don't make that face with.

[Ryan Whitney]

I'm not making.

[Biz Nasty]

Don't.

[Ryan Whitney]

I. I was thinking of Something I'll say when you're done. That's it. Say it now that I know you're saying you're not going to make a big deal of it. It's not going to affect you. But there is a guy who can really say that an injury will not affect him, and that's Kyle Palmieri, dude.

[Biz Nasty]

Yes.

[Ryan Whitney]

Because that play and that shift and he gets into the corner. And an absolute bummer for the Islanders, who've been a surprise and great. Oh, I hadn't seen that picture. Jesus, that's a tough one. So he's with Drysdale in the corner. Gets, you know, tangled up and you could tell. Not necessarily. It was a torn acl, but. All right, he's wounded here. He's limping off and I don't know who on Philly had the puck, but he strips him. That poor bastard had no clue. Like, he's coming behind him, limping out there like biz. If your L5s one's hurting, you're. You're down.

[Biz Nasty]

I think I can't.

[Ryan Whitney]

Trainers coming out. Paul Mary gets himself off. And what a video to show to young kids. There are so many young kids who lay on the ice when nothing's wrong. Get up. Figure it out. Get up. And Paul Mary, who had every right to lay down with a torn acl, Strips of defense in the puck. Little dish over Hyneman, ends up burying it. And the Islanders, I think they were down three nothing at the time. It got him going a little bit, but I just feel horrible for him. Out for the year now. What'd you think of the play?

[Biz Nasty]

Well, I. I thought he broke his leg. The way that he reacted and the way that he went down. Right, because you could hear the. The Yelp. And some fans obviously still confused with the rules, were like, why wasn't that offside? The defenseman brought the puck back in his own end because he had no clue that Palmari was still in the zone.

[Keith Yandle]

And.

[Biz Nasty]

Or, like, did they just. He obviously probably didn't notice because he was probably in behind the net. And next, you know, he just.

[Ryan Whitney]

Buyers, fans were saying it was too many men. Maybe it was, but it's almost like, ah, guys, I think we gotta deal with this one.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah, I think you nailed it, though. The, The. The, like the consummate hockey player video of just battling through it, still making the play, and, and it's a little bittersweet, right? You get this viral clip that you could show kids for the. For the rest of. Of your life, and you kind of get the whole. Put that feather in your cap. But you also lose another very important piece to your lineup. I mean, that's Romanov and then now him in the last few weeks where, man, they had such a good start. They had such good momentum. You know, at that point, I'm like, damn, they could be fighting for a playoff spot. But if with losing him and then Romanov, I. I don't know, man. That's a. Those are two very difficult losses at the front and back end. So. But just like you said, an ultimate clip. Yance.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah, and wait, I'm glad that you said that about the little kids, because I had a conversation with my nephews. I was watching their games over. Over last week. They were playing some games up in Canada and, like, kids would get like this fake hurt and be down on the ice, and then, like, the puck would get loose and they jump up quick and take two hard strides. Like, I remember my dad telling me, like, you're giving your parents a heart attack if you're laying on the ice. Like, somebody might not know what happened. You're worrying everybody else when you're just laying on the ice. So, kids, if you can get up, get up, please, and save the embarrassment of yourself, because if you do get up and then get in a hard check, you look like a fake faker. So play the game honest, play it like Kyle Palmeri, and you might get rewarded with an assist like he did.

[Ryan Whitney]

And you mentioned your dad and not trying to be a hardo. It's like, I think my dad and your dad quite often told Brian and I, like, if you're down, like, you better, you better there, better. There better be an injury there. And I'm talking a lower body injury. Because if it's upper body, the legs are fine. That's why Paul Mary getting up is that impressive. I mean, a lot of people, torn acl. You're getting helped off the ice. So a cool moment also quickly with the Islanders. My favorite Schaefer play of. Of this week actually was a penalty by him. I don't know if you saw him with his quick ass feet, dive head first. He ended up tripping. Ryan Leonard, they'd already been battling in front of the net. He had no stick and he just boom, boom and dove. He ended up getting a penalty for it, but, like, broke the play up. Then he got in his face again. So Schaefer just must watch TV every single time. We also. All right, so G's telling me right here, we got to talk about, oh, another defenseman Signing now. He's off the market in ufa. Sorry, Keith. What do you got? Matheson.

[Keith Yandle]

Let's bring him in.

[Biz Nasty]

No.

[Ryan Whitney]

Surprise, surprising us.

[Mike Matheson]

Thanks for having me, guys.

[Ryan Whitney]

Hey, congratulations, dude.

[Mike Matheson]

Thank you. Appreciate it.

[Keith Yandle]

Hey, you came a long way from dressing up as me for Halloween, Mike. I'm proud of you.

[Mike Matheson]

I forgot.

[Biz Nasty]

What did you wear to make yourself look like? Yeah, it's for sure. Air Force Ones.

[Ryan Whitney]

Basketball.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah.

[Mike Matheson]

That was. That was pretty gutsy for a young guy. Yeah, that's. That's not really my style. I'm surprised I did that.

[Keith Yandle]

No, and I think every. Someone asked me before and I was like, yeah, but I'm gonna ham it up and pretend like I'm mad at him. And I think I stayed mad at.

[Mike Matheson]

You for like a week, three weeks.

[Ryan Whitney]

You were mad that he did that? No, no, fake.

[Mike Matheson]

He didn't talk to me. Felt real to me.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. When Yan's gets mad at you, it's very intimidating. I saw it happen with, with Boyd Gordon, the one year they were. They almost went out back in the parking lot where the. With the players entrance, and they almost had it out. Yan's was putting on the foil.

[Keith Yandle]

Maddie, congratulations. You must be pumped, obviously, staying in Montreal, the team that you grew up watching as well.

[Mike Matheson]

Yeah, thank you. Yeah, I think we. It's a great group here, so I was. I didn't want to go anywhere else, so I'm happy to get it done.

[Ryan Whitney]

Did you think at all about. I mean, I know you say you didn't want to go anywhere else, but when I saw your contract come in, it. It's a hell of a bargain. Right? Like you, you're making plenty of money, but at the same time, if you'd gone to ufa, I think it would have been a, a much bigger payday. I don't know if you agree with that. Like, did that thought go through your mind or was it more about being happy in Montreal?

[Mike Matheson]

Yeah, definitely. I think I can be realistic and, and kind of know my value at a certain point, but I feel like it was more important for me to stay here. My main goal was to be on a team that has a chance to win in, in the near future. I feel like we have that here. Obviously. I've got my family here and got two kids now, and that brings a lot more to the table than just, you know, being a 21 year old that is. Is only focused on hockey. So I felt like on the hockey side, like, I definitely wanted to stay here. And then, yeah, I feel like it's important to be able to show your teammates that you're willing to take less, leave more money on the table for, for them to bring in other guys. Especially as we're getting into those years where hopefully we start contending and stuff like that. If everybody's taken a little bit less. Like you've seen it on all the teams that have been able to do it, like Pitt back in the days, like talking to the guys that I played with there, that's what they all did. You know, Florida's been showing that lately, so it's, it's important to be able to do that to keep the, the group together.

[Biz Nasty]

What's your nickname? What do the guys call you on the team?

[Mike Matheson]

So actually this started when I was in Florida. Remember Mike Hoffman called me Billy.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah.

[Mike Matheson]

And it never stuck at all in Florida, so obviously it's because of Billy Madison, like Mike Matheson and. Yeah, never stuck in Florida. He brought it here in Montreal and all the young guys thought it was hilarious. So that's been ever since.

[Keith Yandle]

I can see Caulfield getting a chuckle out of that and just, oh, yeah, going, oh, yeah.

[Ryan Whitney]

Well, he gets to be caught.

[Mike Matheson]

So it's like self proclaimed.

[Biz Nasty]

Well, well, Billy. So, so. So you grew up watching the Canadians. You were, you were born in Point Claire, Quebec.

[Mike Matheson]

Yeah, it's like 20 minutes outside downtown Montreal.

[Biz Nasty]

So you sound like you're English. Like, obviously you probably grew up like being bilingual. Like, are you more French or more. More English.

[Mike Matheson]

More English. Yeah.

[James Duthie]

The.

[Mike Matheson]

So that's like the west part of the island of Montreal out where the airport is predominantly English. But. So, yeah, I grew up English in an English community, but went to French school to learn how to speak French.

[Biz Nasty]

Oh, so that's a perfect. Like when you got there, it's. It could be probably a little bit overwhelming for some guys and like the way that you're able to communicate obviously with your English teammates, but also then answer like, you know, French media, which could be a little bit difficult sometimes. Like, you've probably felt like that transition was unbelievable when you ended up coming over.

[Mike Matheson]

Yeah, I mean, I was, I went to school in Boston, played in the ushl. So by the time I got traded here, I was in the States for, you know, 10, 11 years. So my French was definitely a little rusty at that point. And I remember, like, I got traded and then had a press conference like, right, right away. And I knew that it's, it's important to people in Montreal to like, have a Quebec guy speaks French. And, and so I Was so nervous. I was like, this is my one shot, my first impression. And so I went, okay. But now that I've been here for four years, like, I've definitely picked it.

[Ryan Whitney]

Back up a lot more so far this year. I mean, a good start for you guys, like, maybe slowed down a little bit, but I'm more interested kind of in Demidov. Like, this guy, we've talked about him numerous times on here, the skills and, like, how exciting he makes the game. Is it one of those things where in practice he's pulling things off that he hasn't even tried in the game yet, that you're just always like, holy.

[Mike Matheson]

Oh, yeah. I mean, I. I listen to you guys and obviously listen to you guys talking about him. And he's. He's incredible. Like, the stuff he can do on his edges, obviously his hands are insane, his vision. But, like, the way he can cut and turn and spin off guys is so hard to defend as a defenseman. Going against him in practice, like, you have to give him a little bit of extra space. And I feel like guys around the league, like, you know that guys that, yeah, you have to be more careful with and. And give them a little more time and space. Like, you. You always see guys like Kucherov, they kind of have a little extra space all the time, but it's because you have to, otherwise they make you pay for it. And I feel like for a guy to kind of already have that in. What's. He played 20, 25 games into his career. Guys already know that he's one of those guys.

[Biz Nasty]

Is he wearing, like, the. The Gucci track, shoots tracksuits to the rink? Like, what's he wearing?

[Mike Matheson]

No, he's. He's New balance. He's a warrior guy. So just all new Balance Sweatsitos.

[Biz Nasty]

The Russians love the tracks here, say. Oh, yeah, they love the trackies. Oh, man.

[James Duthie]

Is he.

[Biz Nasty]

Is he. Is he, like, cocky off the ice or, like, what's his temperament? Like?

[Mike Matheson]

No, super, like, quiet, calm. His English is very good, which I was surprised by. Yeah, really, really good. And that was actually a funny story about the. The sweatsito is obviously this year, there's no dress code and stuff like that. And so we've been trying to find our. Our way through it without looking too crazy. And one time we were traveling and the text kind of came out the night before. Like, just. Just look professional, right? And so he comes to the next morning with a sweat seat on and his vest on, ready to go onto the plane. We're like, Ah, that might not be it.

[Biz Nasty]

He's like, this is all I packed.

[Mike Matheson]

Yeah, exactly.

[Biz Nasty]

Color, New Balance track. Seedos.

[Mike Matheson]

Yeah. Yeah. Didn't mean any harm by it. Like, he's such a great guy.

[Biz Nasty]

That's awesome.

[Keith Yandle]

Maddie, how. How fun is it for you? Because I know. I mean, I know you're 31 years old now, but I also know that you're a rink rat. Always a guy. Like, you got a kick out of the rink every day, but having those young guys around for you, like, just keeping you young, keeping. And obviously with your son around the rink, too. I'm sure it's amazing. But how fun is it just being around those young guys and how much energy they bring every day?

[Mike Matheson]

Yeah, I mean, it's contagious, right? It's. Especially for the. The, you know, the rookies that are, like, walking into every new building for the first time and experiencing, like, the, you know, the Blackhawks national anthem for the first time, and we just played in Vegas, and all those things that, like, there's different elements to each city and each team that you play against that. It's fun to kind of let that rub off in you, off you. But no, I think. I think it helps two ways. Like, I'm definitely a more serious guy and takes things pretty seriously, and so they kind of rub off on me a little bit that, you know, things could. Could be. Could be worse sometimes. Like, it's not. The earth isn't fallen and stuff like that. So that helps me as a person, as a player, coming into the rink, feeling that energy and that youth. So, yeah, it's really fun to be a part of.

[Biz Nasty]

Whit. You've. You've mentioned this before, and we were there for the four nations, but playing in Montreal, it's nice because it feels like the fans, they know so much about hockey, where they'll cheer, even the subtle little defensive plays where maybe you don't really find another building. So you grew up there. You girl grew watching him. So you probably were accustomed to it, but it must have been nice when you finally got moved back there, just, like, where you're getting that credit when you're making these little plays where they really take notice.

[Mike Matheson]

Yeah, they do. And it's funny. It's almost like. Because they do understand the game so well. It's dead silent when nothing's happening because everyone's actually paying attention. Right. And so you kind of feel the silence, too, and then the contrast of when something happens, which is pretty cool. I think, in some other buildings, sometimes there's a bit more of like a social scene where it's kind of a little bit of a buzz all the time, whereas it's like dead silent. And then like you said, you make a good, good poke check and you're getting cheers for it. And so especially for a guy like me, I'm. I'm not like the young guys that we have that are just doing ridiculous things with the puck all the time. So I'll, I'll take any, any cheer I can get.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah. Poke check in. You're giving us.

[Ryan Whitney]

It is the top place. It is the top place though, for like, it kind of goes back. I mean, doesn't go back to pk, but he was part of it. Where you have players like Lane Hudson Demidov and when they start like reeling it up, that is the one building. You're like, all right, there are. All the fans are, are like watching this happen and getting louder and louder. That's the best part of being there. And yeah, like you said, a little five foot breakout pass on your backhand and you're getting.

[Mike Matheson]

You'll take it when you can get them.

[Ryan Whitney]

My question for you is, I mean, it's pretty obvious to people who watch the game, have seen you play. You're one of the best skating defensemen in the league. And I didn't know where that came from. Like, was that something. Always a strength of yours, something you really focused on at a younger age. Because it's. It's incredible to watch how it looks so easy to you with how fast you're going and your edge work.

[Keith Yandle]

He's not even the best skater in his house, dude. His wife's a better skater than him.

[Ryan Whitney]

Oh, she played. Yeah. Oh, okay. Your kids are getting these.

[Keith Yandle]

I stalk on their kids biz.

[Mike Matheson]

Yeah, I will.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah.

[Mike Matheson]

I always say if we were to do like a trophy case and stuff like that in our house, it'd be all her stuff. I don't have anything, so. No, I think for. For myself, I've always been, I'd say above, you know, the average in terms of skating, but. But definitely something that I focused on as well and worked hard on to. To be able to get to where I am.

[Biz Nasty]

Did you have like a. A specific skating coach?

[Ryan Whitney]

No.

[Mike Matheson]

No. I mean, all through my career. Yance probably knows Mr. V. Worked with him a lot in college. Greg Brown, who's. Who's now the head coach at bc. I had him as an assistant at bc. He was an incredible skater. He. He'd still, he'd jump in on drills in a tracksuit with us and be the best player on the ice as a coach. And so definitely learned a lot from him. Just kind of like, small things within the game that just make it so much easier as a defenseman, whether it was skating or, you know, stick placement on box outs and just those little elements that help so much, especially in the pro game.

[Biz Nasty]

So when you say when you're at bc, he was. He was one of the coaches.

[Mike Matheson]

Yeah, he was the assistant coach. And then he. I think he left for two years to go coach in the ushl. And then when Jerry York retired, he took over as head coach.

[Keith Yandle]

Wow.

[Biz Nasty]

So you never had a. A specific person in the off season helping you that. I mean, Whit hit it on the head. That's, like, the one thing, especially when you were with Pittsburgh that one year, that's when I really noticed you come on the scene because you're playing in Florida. Before that. I'll never understand why. Why Pittsburgh traded you after that unreal year you guys had. But so, like, in practice, like, you. You would see him do something and you would just, like, ask him a question like, hey, like, why did you do that? Like, with. With that motion and stuff, and you just slowly pick things up?

[Mike Matheson]

Yeah, pretty much. I mean, it was. It was a bit of a trial and error sometimes in games, but I feel like a lot of it is just repetition before and after practices, getting used to. You know, as defenseman, you talk a lot about, like, kickbacks and. And not crossing over, especially in battles and stuff like that. And it's. It's super foreign and uncomfortable when you first start doing it, because you're so used to just crossing over left and right to pick up speed. But the more I worked at it, the more comfortable I was at it and was able to kind of just start implementing into my game without thinking about it.

[Biz Nasty]

You know, it's weird now. It's like all the forwards, all they do is cross over to gain speed, where I feel like a lot of coaches tell the D man, it's like, no, when you cross over, that's what. He's gonna beat you. You're gonna.

[Mike Matheson]

You're done. Especially how fast they are now.

[Ryan Whitney]

You gotta do what Lidstrom was so sick at. It was just those C cuts. He never crossed over skating backwards, so it was like you couldn't. You couldn't beat him. There was a quick question that popped up from the chat. In your experience so far, like, what do you. Yeah, I don't know if you could see that right There, like Boston or Toronto, is there a different vibe and a bigger rival to you when you got a home game against one of those two?

[Keith Yandle]

Great question, that.

[Mike Matheson]

Yeah, that's a good question.

[Ryan Whitney]

I, I don't know.

[Mike Matheson]

I, I think there's nothing like a Saturday night in the Bell center, and so that's kind of already up top. And then whenever it's Toronto or Boston, it just adds fuel to the fire. Whether there's a, A bigger kind of rivalry between one of the. One or the other, I'm not sure. I'd say it probably has to do with where the teams are at in the standings and what's going on in the year that, that particular year. So I, they're. They're both pretty special for you guys.

[Keith Yandle]

You probably, I mean, everyone I know, even when we played, like you circled that data when you were going to play Montreal, so, you know, you guys every night are getting everyone's A game or at least their A effort because you want to show out in those games, right? The. When you're in Toronto, when you're in Montreal, when you're in Boston. So even for you guys, even with such a young team, like getting everyone's a game every night, it's got to be a challenge throughout. 48 or what is it? 42 homes?

[Biz Nasty]

41.

[Keith Yandle]

41.

[Mike Matheson]

No. Yeah, it's. You gotta use it to your advantage too, and, and know that you're gonna get really good energy out of the crowd and kind of let that lift you up. But I mean, you guys know it takes time to, to be able to figure out what your B game is and within your own career, right? It's, it's impressive the guys that can come in and be super consistent right away. You know, I know that I, I struggled with that earlier in my career where I'd have some unbelievable games where everything was going right and then I'd have some that were awful. And bridging the gap between those two is not easy to do when you're playing against the best players in the world. And so it's, it's something that takes time to figure out.

[Ryan Whitney]

No doubt. Well, thank you so much.

[Biz Nasty]

Well, I just had a couple more. I just wanted to ask about what it's like being coached by Martin St. Louis and then also probably one of the more underrated players still in the league, Nick Suzuki, where, you know, he's just, he just gets it done. So first, I guess start with St. Louis and your, your, your, you know, your relationship with him and just his, his style of coaching?

[Mike Matheson]

Well, I think it's, it's pretty special to have a guy that has the resume that he has to work with every day. I think it just brings so much respect and credibility right from the get go that he knows what he's talking about and then just the passion that he has. I mean, he's made more than enough money in his career. He, you know, he's not doing this because he needs money or something. He's not doing it because he necessarily, you know, didn't win a cup and wants to win a cup. It's, he's kind of accomplished everything that he needs to in the game to be acceptable, to just ride off into the sunset and, and he's not. He's here grinding away, bringing that energy and passion every single day. And, and so you know that it's real, he's not faking it. And that's, that's pretty contagious for players to be able to experience that. And, and so we're not even talking about, you know, how intelligent he is as, as a coach and how, how well he understands the game and makes you think about the game totally different. But just that kind of passion aspect is, is pretty impressive to be around.

[Keith Yandle]

It must be. Sorry, Matt. It must be nice because I know in the beginning of your career and you've had coaches that were like that old school type where as soon as practice is done, they're off the ice. But all the clips, you see Marty, like he's helping guys work on their game and he's, he's out there showing guys what they should do like that. That must be amazing to see.

[Mike Matheson]

Yeah, I mean, I'm sure as a head coach it's, it's very difficult to, to kind of keep focusing on the macro of everything, right? Like what does the team need and what does. At the end of the day, a team is just a sum of a bunch of individuals doing the same thing together. And so he, he really gets that, that, you know, whether it's confidence, whether it's giving a guy a boost or whatever the case may be that it boils down to like, what can I get out of each individual? And so like you said, that's not fake. That's not, you know, he's not doing that every so often. He's out there all the time picking guys, out talking to them. What do you see? What do you think? And so I think that really gets the, the best out of each guy individually.

[Biz Nasty]

And Billy, just going back to Suzuki, it's Olympic Year.

[James Duthie]

Oh.

[Biz Nasty]

Look at our crew behind the scenes. They were quick.

[Mike Matheson]

That was fast. Wow. Yeah.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah, we got them in a cage back there. We could, you know, now that. Now they'll get fed after.

[Ryan Whitney]

Now that they came up.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah, not raw.

[Biz Nasty]

Suzuki. I feel like he, you know, bit of a snub last year. What, you know, you know, Olympic team. Would it be on your Olympic team? You're. You're a passionate Canadian. What can he bring to the Olympic lineup?

[Mike Matheson]

I think he could play any line, right? Like, he could play center, he could play wing. He could be a guy that you put on the power play. He Penalty kills when. When we need him to, you know, he can play a super responsible game or he can, you know, drive offense. And so I. I feel like, especially in a tournament format like that where we saw with four nations, like, there's a couple injuries here and there, and you need guys to slot in and out and. And stuff like that. Like, what better player to have than a guy that can kind of do it all like him? And so, yeah, I think, you know, you look at him getting the captaincy at. I don't know how old he was exactly, but 22, 23 maybe at that point, maybe even younger, I'm not sure. But to be able to do that in a city like Montreal, and it. It was just kind of like, yeah, that's fine. I can handle that. And then goes out and has his best year of his career, and then the next year follows it up with an even better year, and last year was even better, and then this year he's on pace for a crazy year. So, yeah, he's. He's super impressive to be around. Always kind of has that calm demeanor, which. Which is huge for our group to. To be able to be a guy that's, you know, somewhat early on in his career still, and. And pretty close in age to a lot of the guys that. That are pretty young on our team still. But be able to show how you can have that demeanor and that success, no matter how many games you've played, how old you are, is. Is really something special.

[Ryan Whitney]

I guess. My. My last question would be just about. About Lane Hudson. Like, it's. It's incredible to watch him. He's also another guy we talk a lot about, like, so elusive. He's so quick. And my thing to you is, like, the year before he came in, you had over 60 points running the first power play. It's something that's like, it's incredible to look at those numbers. And then he Comes in, he ends up kind of getting that role after a little bit. Like, was that hard for you? Or is it something where you're like, I understand what's going on here. Like, it just for me would have been tough because of what you had proven the year before, having that role.

[Mike Matheson]

Yeah, I think. I think that kind of boils down to ego, right? Like, it is. Is it. Would that bother you because you're not getting as many points? And. And if that's the case, like, why does that actually matter? Is there. Is there a way that you can find value elsewhere in your game where you're kind of being an important part of the team, but maybe it's not scoring goals? And so that's what I tried to do, is he's so special at what he does, and he's way better than me at it. So, like, who am I to kind of fight that, right? He. He's obviously bringing a lot to the table on that side of the puck to drive success for our team. And so my job is to find a different way to drive success for the team and. And be an important part of the team.

[Biz Nasty]

Wow. What a classy answer.

[James Duthie]

Round of applause.

[Biz Nasty]

We got to get a couple clicks in the chat for this.

[Ryan Whitney]

That's leadership, guys. That's leadership.

[Biz Nasty]

That.

[Ryan Whitney]

Hey. Busy leadership.

[Biz Nasty]

Hey. Well, Billy, so much for surprising.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah, congratulations, buddy. I appreciate you coming on. We all do. And, you know, good luck the rest of the way. Dude, congrats on everything.

[Biz Nasty]

And, Billy, one more. What are you going to splurge on now that you sign another big ticket? Anything?

[Mike Matheson]

Not really. Honestly. We'll see. I think there's a couple things around the house that my wife and I were hoping to do and holding off on because we didn't know for sure whether we'd be here, but.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah, no, I'm gonna get that skating coach.

[Mike Matheson]

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Biz Nasty]

I think I'll put a little bit.

[James Duthie]

More on my riders, a couple index funds.

[Ryan Whitney]

All right, Billy.

[Mike Matheson]

Yeah, anytime.

[Biz Nasty]

What a gap against rights.

[Ryan Whitney]

Man, that is. That is something pretty cool that he's like, I just had 60 points. He's better than me at it. And I'm gonna. That's ego. It is ego. And that's a pretty cool, like, mature answer from a guy that there's a reason he has the A on his jersey and. And that. Great guess. Yanz, you're crushing that. That surprise guess that.

[Biz Nasty]

Why. Why did Pittsburgh move on from him?

[Keith Yandle]

Why did Florida move on from him?

[Biz Nasty]

That's another.

[Ryan Whitney]

I know. Well, Florida's one That you could be like okay, well they. Yeah, I guess it worked but.

[Mike Matheson]

Yeah.

[Ryan Whitney]

But Pittsburgh.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah.

[Ryan Whitney]

I don't. I don't. Don't understand that one. What was even the trade G. Can you look?

[Biz Nasty]

I think it was Petri.

[Keith Yandle]

Petri. I think.

[Ryan Whitney]

Oh yeah. Petrie's older too.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah.

[Ryan Whitney]

Petrie could skate back in the day too when I played with him in Anaheim. Two strides half the ice was crazy.

[Biz Nasty]

Pretty crazy that he skates that well and never had a designated skating coach. That's.

[Keith Yandle]

He's also the biggest freak I've ever seen. Like in the gym he won the. Like he was doing like 50 pull ups. He's a free.

[Mike Matheson]

Really? Yeah.

[Keith Yandle]

It doesn't drink or. Not that he's a freak that guy. Man. Billy.

[Ryan Whitney]

Wow.

[Biz Nasty]

Does he have like quadzillas a huge lectures Everything.

[Ryan Whitney]

Everything.

[Keith Yandle]

Dude. He's shredded six pack huge legs. Everything except for the.

[Ryan Whitney]

We can't say a word. None of us could say a word on that one. Matheson. And a two 2023 fourth round pick from the Penguins to the Canadiens for Petrie and Ryan polling so probably one that the Penguins wish attack Hextall. That was a Hextall deal.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah. That'll get you. That'll get you.

[Ryan Whitney]

That's a tough one. Well hey Penguins play the Flyers tonight in. In what should be a good one. And looking at the east they sit as 7, 8 the two wild card teams right now. No, I. Nobody saw this coming. That's. That's, that's. That's.

[Biz Nasty]

No, I know. I'm trying.

[Ryan Whitney]

You just missed it. But I would have been down if it was 6 and 7 but. So that's going to be a good one tonight. Philly. Very surprising. We've talked a little bit about Pittsburgh. The Zegras thing is awesome. And. And he's come in there. He's got 24 points in 24 games. He's a legitimate wizard in the shootout. You can't stop him in this hasn't missed. I think he's 67 in his career and like for comparison like Kane's like 40 so I. I don't. Zigris is just. He has move after move and I think he's just waiting for the goalie to do something. He comes in so slow off the wall. They're giving up less goals. So that Vladar deal looks great.

[Biz Nasty]

And.

[Ryan Whitney]

And I think talks figured out a way to. Because they're not scoring that much more than last year. They're just giving up less so talk Good for him, man. Like I didn't see this. I thought both these teams would be bottom five.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah, I mean you touched on goaltending. Vladara has been playing.

[Mike Matheson]

He.

[Biz Nasty]

Vidar was great last year with out in Calgary doing the 12 with Wolfie. And as far as Zegras is concerned, I believe he's got the highest shootout percentage since it was introduced to the NHL as. Yeah, he's sure.

[Keith Yandle]

I think what I thought Whit just said that.

[Ryan Whitney]

Oh no, I didn't say hi. I said what it was. Which was six. No, but I didn't say it was the highest. I didn't know it was the highest.

[Biz Nasty]

No, he's number one. Yance. Yeah, he didn't say that. So check yourself, brother.

[Keith Yandle]

My bad. He hasn't. He hasn't missed this year. Right.

[Biz Nasty]

And another big component though is is they. I believe they're five and oh in shootouts. So you think about those five extra points like that's a make or break for that team to get in the playoffs. They brought that up on the TNT call today about his wizardry and who's. Who's second. Like do we have a list of maybe the top five? And keep in mind here, he's probably shot 20 to 25 times. So we're not talking about a guy who's only went like five times and he's got like a 60 or 70% or I guess that would be impossible. 60 or 80%. But what are the. Who are the. Yeah, you got a G. So number.

[Ryan Whitney]

Two is he's a current player.

[James Duthie]

I'll let you guys guess.

[Ryan Whitney]

And he plays for Dallas Robertson.

[James Duthie]

Correct.

[Biz Nasty]

Who's also Lightning.

[Ryan Whitney]

Oh, that guy's insane right now.

[Biz Nasty]

We talked about Tuck being the probably the biggest sought after free agent for sure. It's got to be Robertson, right?

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah, but Robertson's rfa. He's got to be Tucks ufa.

[Biz Nasty]

Oh, he's. Because he only signed a bridge.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah, he doesn't. He's not UFA yet.

[Biz Nasty]

But listen, I feel like players like.

[Ryan Whitney]

He'S got her now.

[Biz Nasty]

He's got one year of restricted free agency, maybe two. He's got all the cards. He's got them by the balls. If he's like I'll move on for me he can go sign. He's getting easily over 10 now.

[Ryan Whitney]

I don't know how now based on this year. Like why would Dallas even could keep thinking about like getting rid of him. Like he's insane that team. Dude, I had the Dallas Ottawa game on a little bit yesterday. They pumped Ottawa. Who's on this ridiculous road trip. But they. Wyatt Johnson. I wish I didn't just say his name. He leads the league in power play goals. Like in this. In this past two NHL seasons. I wouldn't have guessed that he had a hat trick. Rontin was a. Was a machine. He gave. He gave Wyatt Johnson an assist. Didn't even look. He's behind the net. I don't even know. Backhand dish. He buries that. Then he gave Jamie Ben a tap, and he took it off his foot and just fired it through the crease.

[Biz Nasty]

Dallas is second in the league right now.

[Keith Yandle]

Dude.

[Ryan Whitney]

They are. And. But they're not getting talked about. Like, Colorado, what did suck in the game was though, that giant defenseman. Is it Bishell? He went down and it looked really bad. He was like. Like, it looked like really bad. Not the weird thing was the interview wasn't one of those gross ones. You got to look away. But his pain and what he was doing on the ice, I was like, because their D is so good and their forwards, with Robertson like this, like, yeah, they're gonna be very difficult to beat. And, you know, they're gonna play Colorado and go to seven games. And then it's like the. The. Does the ranting and show happen again? So.

[Biz Nasty]

Well, the good news, it doesn't have to be in the first round, and we can probably get that one in the second round. That's a ridiculous first round matchup.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah. Too much. Rantman looked like I was watching that game too, where he looked like vintage yogurt. Like when he would just turn his back and guys would just fall off of him and then spin, make a pass like, he was outstanding. That Robinson goal, the one that he scored, did you see how open he had? I think it was Maverick Bork, back door, wide open for a one timer and didn't pass it. I was like, oh, my God. Pass it past. And then he sniped it. Obviously, that's when you know you're good, when you can just look guys off back door and snipe.

[Ryan Whitney]

The one where he just went, like, over the glove.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah.

[Ryan Whitney]

The craziest part about that goal was I don't know how he got it. Maybe off a turnover. Stutzel's chasing him through the middle and, like, almost went to pass him off and he said nobody was there. It was like. It's probably because I talked about how good Stutzel's been. I completely just chicklets.

[Biz Nasty]

It's like the opposite of Joe Thornton, I guess, when he was in San Jose, Todd McClellan would have meetings and he'd play video of where, like, he had, like the whole net would be open, and Joel would be looking for a guy back door to just give him a sick pass for a tap in. And he'd stop the tape and be like, joe, you got to shoot that. And he'd be like, nope, I'm a passer. Robertson. Nope, I'm a shooter. Yeah, I'm a shooter.

[Keith Yandle]

Shooter.

[Ryan Whitney]

Shoot. Yeah. So White Johnson has 11 power play goals already this year. I feel like that's an incredible season. And he's played, what, 25 games? So Dallas, Dallas and Colorado just complete wagons, another wagon. The Tampa Bay Lightning, some Lightning fans, couple fans in my DMs. When are you gonna really discuss this team? I said, I apologize.

[Biz Nasty]

We'll get on the Jurgens out.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yep. And based on their start, it was maybe a little worrisome, but now they got Vasilevsky, who's just being himself again. I think he's like over 9, 10 save percentage. I had it here.

[Biz Nasty]

Well, I got the full. I got the full breakdown and I sent. There it is right there. I sent this to Coop and. And Ra and I said that you owe you our raise, world. A little pop in for the Chicklets bump that we gave him. Like, look at these numbers, guys. This is. Hey, when. When did we have them on the podcast?

[Keith Yandle]

You remember the date when we were in New York?

[Biz Nasty]

October 23rd.

[Ryan Whitney]

Wow.

[Biz Nasty]

October 23rd. So the next day they start this run. And Coop was obviously at that point, he was. He was a little self deprecating. He said he might be joining us on the pod if it continued because he thought he'd be getting the hook. But no, third or 15 and three second for. For goals. Four per game, second in the NHL and goals against per game. Just remarkable. Kucharavi has 27 points in those 18 games. Hagel, he's got 26 in 17 games. That radish kid, they got the. He's got his. His brothers in the league too, isn't he?

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah, he's in the Rangers, I think.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah. Yeah, that's right. He's had a great start to the years. 12 points in those in the last 14 games. So. I mean, Posh is loving these advanced stats numbers right here.

[Ryan Whitney]

Well, I ain't loving that. It's not the Devils we're talking about, though. The crazy how many.

[Keith Yandle]

The. The amount of injuries they've had too, right? Like, headman's out, McDonne is out. Chernock, he's out too, right?

[Ryan Whitney]

Points out point and point. Hadn't even point. Hasn't really done anything this year.

[Keith Yandle]

Right.

[Ryan Whitney]

When he has played, that's like the weirdest part. Like biz. Would you ever look at a guy like Braden, Point is he. Is he still. Is he injured right now or. No.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah, he had. He had a pretty tough start to the year. I don't know if it was something that was lingering where he just didn't look like himself off the hop. His points aren't there, like, even eye tests. Like, he just like, didn't look like himself. So he was one of those guys that was already announced to the Olympic team though, right?

[Ryan Whitney]

I don't know. When I looked at the lines for the four nation final and he was playing on the top line that game, like, so I was wondering, like, is there any chance. I didn't know he was. He was a name that was already on.

[Biz Nasty]

I think that he was in the top six guys who was already named to the team. So the, the. The. And like, yeah, you know, it's Coop's guy, right. So for sure he's probably making it. But the fact that they're so deep at center ice, if you, if you're not playing good and you're a little bit banged up, like, I mean, I wouldn't risk it. I wouldn't risk it. You're talking. We just talked to Matheson. A guy like Suzuki, you're telling me that, you know, you could have him, you could have Scheifely, who's been on an absolute terror so far this year. There's like so many guys in the middle of the ice that they can bring that also can play other positions, like he said, too.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah.

[Keith Yandle]

You know what it is with that? I've noticed that I, I think is. Remember how they were like when they were on their runs, like their bottom six? There it was, the Yanni Gourds, the Coleman's. They were a pain in the balls to play against and it feels like they're more playing that style of game. Obviously, Cooch does his thing and he's like, how many, how many passes does Kuch have in that last game? Who'd they play last game? The Rangers, where he just comes over the blue line, stops up, hits a late guy. Like, he's just so good. But I feel like they're getting led by their bottom six guys. Just four. Checking the. Out of these teams, you know, they might not be getting goals and points and stuff, but they're driving that team right now. And. And then Cooch is Doing his thing like he always does.

[Biz Nasty]

Well, I mean that Radish kid, he's a bottom six. He might have been bumped up since they've had a few injuries, but I mean he had 12 points in the last 14 games. But I completely agree with you. Yan's like it was a great move to go get gourd back last year from, from Seattle because I feel like he embodies what, what Tampa likes to do and like it goes back to just like Coops comfortable with them, right? You don't want to keep having all this crazy turnover. You want to go back to guys that you feel comfortable with and yeah. And boys, the craziest thing about all this is the fact that Coop has never won a Jack Adams. Okay, so who cares?

[Ryan Whitney]

Who cares? Like it doesn't, I know I don't want to say it doesn't mean anything because it's a hell of an honor, but you just see guys getting gassed left and right after winning the Jack Adams. Like I, I, I don't think Coop honestly like cares that much. Maybe I'm completely wrong on that.

[Biz Nasty]

No, I think he care, he cares about Cups and that's the rules are the only, that's the only hardware that matters. I just think that if they end up winning the Atlantic and enter in the top two teams in the east to finish off the year, I think that he deserves strong consideration. We just mentioned points been out. They got off to that slow. I just think it's remarkable the, the buttons that he's able to push because we all know you get a coach for four or five years, all of a sudden guys start tuning them out a little bit, the message runs a little bit dry, but he always finds a way to re motivate those guys and get them firing on all cylinders. So. And like, I mean it obviously helps that Vasilevsky's playing back to what we're used to from Vasilevsky. But I tell you what, considering we gave him the Chicklets bump, I will be beating, I will be beating the Jack Adams Cooper for Jack Adams content all season long.

[Keith Yandle]

But he deserves it.

[Ryan Whitney]

And you know what? That Connor geeky, he's down in the Miners, he's lighting it up in Syracuse. But that's a pretty cool sign for Lightning fans based on his brother, right? Like, didn't work at Carolina, didn't work at Seattle. Look at him now. He's enormous. So that's a guy you know is going to be coming in the next, in the next few years, if not like later. This year he could be back up, play a big role in the playoffs. I don't know. But yeah, Tampa continue to do it. Cooch, just once again really doesn't get. I don't know why. Maybe it's just being in Florida. You'll never just hear about him as much as others and he just dominates. Makes it look so easy. It's sick. Guys. I do got to bring up Pink Whitney. I gotta bring it up, boys. Pink Whitney's new label. Easier to find and buy and look at better than ever. I love it. New pink Whitney 20 pack shot buckets. Perfect for any party, occasion or group gathering like Christmas time holidays. Get that 20 pack shop bucket. A size for every occasion. A variety of small sizes to grab and go and larger sizes to share, gift or enjoy at your at home bar. So number one flavored vodka guys. What an honor. It's the number one vodka, 50 milliliter size and it's number three in total spirits at the 50 milliliter size. So shout out Pink Whitney guys. Show them out. Take your shot with Pink Whitney. Blackhawks Anaheim. Yesterday was electric. Anaheim goes up three nothing. I think it was 10 minutes into the game, if not a little bit more and it was like, holy, what's going on here? Kind of thought there'd be a special matchup going into it. It was a lot of Bedard number one, Carlson number two. In their draft. They've both taken these enormous steps this year and Chicago comes roaring back. Okay, Bedard. Bedard's goal when it got behind everyone, I think it ended up being the winning goal. That move to be that in tight and I three different fakes. He ends up having the wide open net to slide it into. That was filthy. Ryan Green who played at BU last year, he looks awesome on Chicago and they end up pulling out the win. But the best part was the McTavish and Bedard beef. Bedard gets his fourth point. Barry's the empty netter. He's got two and two.

[Biz Nasty]

He was joshing a little bit, wasn't he?

[Ryan Whitney]

Well, they've been going back and forth a little bit, him and McTavish after Bedard said that guy, we're buddies. We were roommates. I think they played on that world junior team together.

[Biz Nasty]

They were roommates there.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah, Summer one. And he mentioned like how he loves playing against him. It seems like they hated each other, but maybe that was just two competitors going back. I loved seeing Bedard like that, like that. That little edge to him. It was like holy. You add this too. It's like you're, you're people too. You're getting into the mix. After the game there was a little skirmish. Love seeing McTavish go at him. Connor Murphy comes flying in with the chokehold. But the best part was biz. I think we have like that could be a 10 year matchup with the age of those two teams and how they look in terms of rivalries building.

[Biz Nasty]

Oh, I, I agree. And body. I'll say. Like I, I think at this point now, the way that he's played, you almost have to put Connor Bedard on the Olympic team.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah.

[Ryan Whitney]

I think it's crazy if he's not on it.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah. Because it's not worth also the, like the, the noise if you don't pick them. Like it'll just be a storyline. They'll be going into the gold medal game and they'll still be asking Coop about it. Like it's, it's crazy. But he is just. You just talk about that snarl he's brought this year and that confidence and that pit bull mentality. It's, he's on a different level right now. And you just talk about these two young squads going at it. I mean what's, what's Gunther 21, Leo Carlson's 20. They're, they're, he's, they're both leading their team and scoring. So it's remarkable to see. And, and I agree the trajectory of both these teams. This is going to be a great rivalry for years to come. And then throw Q in the mix too with the fact that he's back, back playing against Chicago. So pretty, pretty, pretty cool.

[Keith Yandle]

It's, they definitely, like, even towards the end of the year, last year they were a fun group to watch. Playing hard, you know, scoring goals, having fun out there. But it's definitely, you know, brought that over with them this year. Obviously Blashfield's been great too. But the snarl that, and you guys mentioned it, the snarl that Bedard has and the rest of their group has, like they are not getting pushed around. But I think that they need to go out and get a legit heavyweight. A guy that can come in and be like, okay, if things are going to get a little, you know, weary, you have a killer to come in and really step up for the team. But I do love how they are in every single fight, every battle. They're not shying away from everything. They've been one of the funnest teams to watch this year, that's for sure. Goaltendings kept them in every game. I Feel like Spencer Knight's been awesome. Just finding ways. Who's the young demon there?

[Ryan Whitney]

Classic. He's awesome.

[Keith Yandle]

Classic's awesome. Like, he's been great too. Like, for such young players, like, the future is so good. There a lot of stuff that, you know, I'm sure if you're a Blackhawks fan, will remind you of the 0708, you know, around there. Like you're building for your future right now. And they've got the pieces and fun group to watch. And you can tell the crowds are into it too. Right?

[Ryan Whitney]

Like, that's amazing. Wasn't off's 30 though. He has to be.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah. He's got four kids. I thought he's legit.

[Keith Yandle]

30 years.

[Biz Nasty]

My buddy was no way Lounge the other day.

[Ryan Whitney]

So how about this cat though, for Bedard? Four game. Four games in November he was held without a point. And every game after he had multi point outings. And then the last one was. Was Sunday when he had four points. So that's even like crazier. Like, all right, I'm gonna, I'm gonna get held off the score sheet. Like, watch next game. That's like just a sign of like another year in the league. Another year older. I'm with you. Celebrity and him both have to be on the team, no questions asked.

[Biz Nasty]

And Schaefer throw the future of Canada in the. On the roster, at least to start. You talk about them getting like some sort of a heavyweight. I feel like if, if I know, if I had a kid and he's like 6:2 and he's a big kid and even if he's got skill, I'm saying start taking boxing lessons in the summer because there's like, there's a shortage of guys who could chuck them. Like. And we could segue this conversation into Detroit because they don't really have one. And the fact that the Marit Cider has to fight, fight Castellik the other night and get his eyes pump shut. Listen, I think that, that I, I like the fact that Marit Cider has that to his game and he's willing to drop him with a guy like Castle because tough as he is, but they gotta get somebody because they have a lot of young assets that are gonna be hitting their primes here. Which kind of started how, like Lucas Raymond's hitting his prime now, right? Like Larkin's in his prime. I would say Mareet Cider is kind of, you know, he's just there. But they gotta, they also gotta find somebody who can chuck them. Like, you look at it you. Now you know why a guy like Chanel got as much money as he did.

[Ryan Whitney]

If you want to need a guy like. Or how about Olivier? Like, you're right, Biz. I'm with you. That. That is the one role now that, like, it does. There's not a ton of guys like that, but it also is like, hey, your son's 6 2. He could skate. Maybe it's a chance of playing someday. Hey, get tough, learn to fight. Like I. It kind of has to be in you too. Like, that is not something that every kid that's big and can move is going to be willing to do. That's so difficult to find.

[Biz Nasty]

Here's your motivation. Look what Geno just got. He's getting paid like us. He's making. He's making a million dollars less than geeky is like, no, I got a cousin, my cousin Jeff Brown, he's got a kid and, you know, I follow his career, obviously, and I tell him every time I talk to him, I said, listen, man, you have to be. It doesn't matter how good you are. Coming up like the elite of the elite in the NHL. It's like you have to almost be born with it.

[Ryan Whitney]

Like, yeah, they're better than you. Sorry.

[Biz Nasty]

God given. And you're never gonna get there. I said, your main objective is go out there and work your bag off every shift. Be a piece of and just be noticeable. Bring energy. That's what. That's. That's where your role is and that's where you can find a spot in the NHL even if your skills are. Are average or maybe a little bit above average. So, yeah, if you. You got to obviously be able to skate to be able to play nowadays, but my God, definitely a few teams out there need to address some sort of toughness.

[Ryan Whitney]

And it wasn't even just cider having a fight. Castellick, Jano. I thought he broke Sandin Pelica's back. I don't know if you saw the hit. He literally crushed him into the boards. He just folded like he's going down. His face is like, ah. And there's just nobody there like to do anything and. And that's that. Yeah, there's. It's so hard to find guys that could play that role now in Detroit. Yeah, they do need somebody like that. I wonder if they have any maybe prospects coming up. Not sure. Maybe the Wings fans will let us know on that. Back quickly to the Anaheim Chicago game. Did suck for Anaheim. Marazik went down like, no contact and it looked bad. And Dostahl's already out, so that's kind of something to keep an eye on. In Anaheim, you lose your goalies. Like, you see Winnipegs trying to just survive without. Without. Hella buck. Question for you. Did you see McCarron and Logan Stanley fight in Nashville? It was Nashville, Winnipeg, and at the end of the fight, big throw, big punch thrown, I think it was by McCarron when they were down. And also the other moment fight I. I saw this weekend was great for Tage Thompson. He went and fought Stefan Nose and after Nose and head shot him, knocked him out last year. So he's like. And he said after the game, he's like, I figured, I'll take care of my own business. And he was chucking him and got the best in it.

[Biz Nasty]

He won the fight in that fight.

[Ryan Whitney]

But even at the end of that fight, Thompson, who's pissed off from last year, he kind of gave him one when it was down. I know. Like, did you ever do that when the guy's down, you keep throwing? Like, sometimes you're going so crazy you don't know. Were you able to calm yourself?

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah, I would say that if, if there was a reason to, like, if a guy was being a piece of. Like, for instance, like, I remember we used to play against Syracuse all the time and it would never be against Morasti because that would always be like a. Like a. Like a standoff where we dropped the glove. But that Derek Dorset, he was a piece of. To play against. And I have all the respect in the world for Derek Darcett and. And what he went on to end up doing in the NHL because. Exactly. Like I was just talking about a few minutes ago, he's that guy who had average skill but showed up every game and was the biggest piece of on the ice and he would fight above his weight class. Like, I was a way bigger guy.

[Keith Yandle]

Every fight he was fighting above and.

[Ryan Whitney]

He was fast as too.

[Biz Nasty]

Like you said, you gotta move, you gotta. You gotta move. Right? So he was a middleweight, but there was a few times where, yeah, like on the way down, knowingly that we were going down, I'd give him the extra one just because he was being extra shitty that day. But he's the type of guy who could handle it. So I think it has to do with time and a place. Like, obviously when Tage Thompson did it, I'm like, wow, he's getting him back and answering his own bell for last year. And, you know, and he wants to get that extra one in and inflict A little bit of pain in which was done to him last year. So I have no problem with that. I, I have no issue when you're doing it like real late and there's no reason to. That's when, when it's gotless. It's all about the, the situation. It goes back to, to Patty Waugh yelling at Rotten and going down the tunnel. Like, ah, most the time I'm not happy with a coach talking to a player. But it's Patty Waugh just took out his guy for five, six months with a, with a, you know, him up. And he was passionate in the moment. So I think we give that one a pass. So it has to do with, with time and a place.

[James Duthie]

Can I ask you guys, like, on the Tage Thompson stuff, there were obviously some rumors that he was unhappy in Buffalo.

[Mike Matheson]

You know, those are neither confirmed or denied.

[James Duthie]

But if they finish, you know, bottom.

[Mike Matheson]

Five of the league again, do you.

[James Duthie]

Think there's any chance this summer that we see a trade request from Tage?

[Keith Yandle]

So I, I thought that G. Because when I saw him having to fight his own battle, I was rattled that somebody else on his team didn't do it because it's Tage Thompson. If he breaks his hand before Olympics, like, I'd be, you know, just upset about it. But I heard he went in, a bunch of guys wanted to fight for him and he went into the locker room, was like, I'm taking care of this and called the dogs off. And he was like, I'm doing it myself. Which all the credit in the world to him for doing that. But yeah, I mean he'd obviously be the biggest price tag in, in the trade market. This if, if there was one for him, this, you know, whether it was at the deadline or over the summertime, just because of how young he is, how good he is. And I would imagine we're going to see him on the Olympic team. He's going to put on a show there. Like his stocks only go going up and up and I think it would be crazy if, if Buffalo traded him, but you know, if he wanted out then it. They'd get a huge form.

[Biz Nasty]

Well, how many times have we seen this story? You know, got rid of Reinhardt, they got rid of O'Reilly. The list goes on and on and on of guys who want a Stanley Cup. But I mean, not only him, G. What about Darling, like, look at how long Darlene's been there trying to get the right this ship and contribute to that. So I, I kind of like, you know, I like that. Don't move like I like what he's brought. But right now they sit at the bottom of the east. They got a some very winnable games here coming up. But if it's another year where they're in the top five worst teams, I don't know, man. How much, how much longer do you stick it out if you're those high end guys? I mean Darlene ahead of anyone has a right to ask for out at this point because he's just had nothing to play with. And going back, who would have, who would have fought for Tage Thompson? Like who's their, who's their guy? I feel like their back end is so soft.

[Keith Yandle]

Like yeah.

[Biz Nasty]

Of most back ends for how big they are.

[Keith Yandle]

I agree. But it's also like I don't know if I'm on that team. It's. It's anyone, right? Like Jordan Greenway I'm sure would have done it. Like he's been in and out of the last teams.

[Ryan Whitney]

Could be anyone, the best teams. It would be anyone jumping in.

[Keith Yandle]

But you missed it. I, I was pissed off. I thought that he had to do it himself. But I heard that he went into the Locke him and said I'm taking care of my own business. And he called the dogs off. But there were guys willing to fight for him but he wanted to do it himself. So extra.

[Ryan Whitney]

And then last year nobody did anything. And then Darlene said like asked about, he's like, well that'll never happen again. I don't know. I for one am shocked that the Sabers are in last place again.

[Biz Nasty]

Yes.

[Ryan Whitney]

It's insane.

[Biz Nasty]

That's a depressing conversation. I think we need to lighten up the mood.

[Ryan Whitney]

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[Biz Nasty]

Yeah, they got three and three. That Wheelings goalie messaged me about coming down and watching some games. I'd love to head to Wheeling with the boys.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah, you have the key to the city. I'd like to go there too, if I had a key to that.

[Biz Nasty]

Well, it's actually the key to Godfather as a strip club.

[Ryan Whitney]

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[Ryan Whitney]

Where is James Duthie?

[Biz Nasty]

Bring him in.

[Ryan Whitney]

What's going on, boys? Man, this is weird because the times I've got to work with you. You were in charge. You were running the ship. You've done it forever and now you're just sitting back and you're one of the guys on the panel. You're not the host anymore.

[James Duthie]

I know. And I'm usually on the left of the panel. It's freaking me out on the right. I can't turn like Costanza. I can't turn that way.

[Ryan Whitney]

If I brought a quiz to you, you might have a meltdown. But I didn't. I didn't. I just want to hear from you and all the great stories you have. How you been?

[James Duthie]

I've been good, boys. Been awesome. Went back in my hometown this weekend seeing some old friends. I got to tell you a quick story right off the.

[Biz Nasty]

The top.

[James Duthie]

You got a new nickname for your podcast. Because I spent the day with my mom. Wonderful lady. 92 years old, still doing awesome. But she's moving soon, so I was taking her to an appointment, and she's. She's super hard of hearing to the point where you have to basically, like, get right in her face and talk really loud. And she lip reads, essentially. Okay. But she always wants to know exactly what's going on in my life. So I. I said, I have to get. I have to get home soon, mom, because I have to do a podcast. And I don't know if she knows what podcasts are. And she said, oh, what. What show are you on? And I said, spitting Chiclets. And she said. And she said, spearmint Chiclets. And I said, well, that's a real thing. That's a good guess, right?

[Biz Nasty]

Holidays.

[James Duthie]

Yeah. So that was early. So we went to the appointment, and then I dropped her off, and I said I had to go.

[Biz Nasty]

And.

[James Duthie]

And she said, what show are you on again? And I said, spitting Chiclets. And she said, okay. And as I was leaving, she said, good luck on the splitting chipmunks. Have fun with the split Chipmunks.

[Biz Nasty]

Hey, I'll be a chipmunk.

[Keith Yandle]

Make some shirts.

[James Duthie]

I'm gonna get a. I gotta get a hoodie or hat with splitting chipmunks on it.

[Biz Nasty]

Where's your hometown?

[James Duthie]

R1.

[Biz Nasty]

Okay. So are you a sense fan?

[James Duthie]

You guys, the business sucks the fan out of you. I get accused. I like. I cheer for the Niners in the NFL. You know, I probably cheer for Team Canada a little bit. Sorry, boys.

[Mike Matheson]

Shocker.

[James Duthie]

I. You root what's good for the network. Like, I want all the Canadian teams to get in and go deep. I'm a little concerned about this year.

[Ryan Whitney]

Oh, yeah.

[James Duthie]

But, yeah, I don't. My kids are leaf fans because they've grown up in Toronto. That's a little weird for me.

[Ryan Whitney]

But, hey, but you got. You must get tortured, because everyone, they. We're very open about our teams. But you guys kind of supposed to be neutral. People must say that you love this team. You love this team. You hate my team. It's cons.

[James Duthie]

Well, you know the deal with broadcasting. I'm sure you guys get it too. Biz gets it on tnt. So you could make the same comment about the Leafs. You make some 30 second comment about them. And half the people in the comments will be, duffy, you're such a freaking homer. And the other half will be, why do you hate the Leaf so much? That's. That's so people hear whatever they want to hear.

[Mike Matheson]

Right?

[Biz Nasty]

You can't please them. That's why you write books and, and tell stories now.

[Mike Matheson]

That's right. That's right. That's right.

[Ryan Whitney]

Or do us a, a, a a candlelight vigil for the Maple Leafs on TNT like Biz did. So that was exactly.

[James Duthie]

Thanks for the plug there, Yanz. You know, I, I was, I haven't been on with you guys in a long time. Since the first book I wrote Beauties, and this is the sequel which you guys are all in. But I gave you guys a hard time. I think if I can remember correctly, it's probably five or six years ago. I think I was on during COVID that, you know, when I started the first book, which is just great stories, I just asked guys to tell me one great story and like Gretz got back to me in like two hours and Bobby or got back to me in a day. And it took, it took biz and wit, like four months or whatever.

[Ryan Whitney]

Oh, it's.

[Biz Nasty]

But I don't have many good ones.

[James Duthie]

No, no, it's okay. But you guys got surpassed. When I started the book, you two guys were the first two guys I texted because I said, nobody has more characters on. I said, guys, is there somebody who wasn't in my first book or maybe that you guys have had on that would tell me a great story that I haven't had yet? And simultaneous, you said Yance. Now this was before Yance was on the pod full time, right? So right away I get Yan's number, I reach out to Jens and right away he replies. He's like, oh, super honored to be in the book. Love to tell you a story. It'll be awesome. And I'm like, okay, let's set up a date. So we set up like it was summer, I think. So it was like August 5th or something. So night before, I'm like, hey, Yan's, are we still good for tomorrow? Crickets. So the morning comes, I'M like, hey, Yance, today, anytime today, work for you. Crickets. So now you're like, you know the experience. I felt like I was young again, like in college. And you, you know, you text it. Although we didn't probably have phones back then. But, you know, you meet a girl, she gives you a number, but she didn't really want to, and then you text her once and you text her twice, and now you're feeling like an idiot. So now, like, I wait a week and I'm like, hey, Keith, if. If you still want to be part of the thing, I don't know if you've changed your mind. No problem if you have. But you know, still crickets. And then finally I do like, the desperation text. I think I called David, Amber or somebody working. I'm like, do you know if, like, Yance doesn't like me for some reason? Did I say something to him?

[Ryan Whitney]

Is he alive?

[James Duthie]

Yeah. And then out of the blue one day, oh, I'm sorry. I. I busted my phone in Nantucket and I didn't get a new phone for like four weeks.

[Keith Yandle]

There's no. There's no Apple Stores there.

[James Duthie]

And you know what? He was very apologetic and he gave me an awesome chapter in the book, so. But I felt like a jilted lover for a few weeks.

[Biz Nasty]

What. What was Yan's a story in the book?

[James Duthie]

Well, Yan's there, so like I said, I asked for one story, but some guys give me a bunch and Jens. And sometimes it's so hard to take them out when they're all good. So Yan's chapter is called Seven Short Stories by Keith Yandel. And then. And I think it's. And Two More by Kevin Hayes. Because when I was done the chapter, I talked to Hazy and Hazy added two more. So Yan's chapter is all sorts. One is called Living with Biz. I don't want to repeat it because I think he told it on the podcast. But when you came in hot into Arizona and you were making fun of her off the table, kicked owner off the table. So he tells. Tells that story. I don't know. Yance, would there be any stories in the book that you haven't told on here?

[Keith Yandle]

No, probably not. Yeah, just probably the amount of times I've been on, you know. Yeah.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah.

[James Duthie]

You guys are both the greatest thing I said this last time, like when sometimes when people ask me to describe the book, I say it's spitting Chiclets in a book, because that's the whole point of it. So, you know, I owe so much to you guys. At the same time, you're a curse. Because sometimes I will get a chapter done. Like I did a. A chapter with Bruce Boudreau, and you know, I was done the chapter. And like two months later, he comes on your pod. And I'm listening, going, oh, don't tell the Ovechkin out after curfew story. Don't tell it. Don't tell it. Sure enough, he tells it. And then Louis comes on Luongo, and I'm like, oh, I had a great chapter with Darcy Horace. And I'm like, don't tell the story about Horace Chuck leaving the alligator on your front porch. Don't tell that. Sure, he tells the story.

[Biz Nasty]

Those are so iconic. Like, I know on a podcast and live in a book. Because. Yeah, yeah, People who don't listen to our pod. So what, like, what originally sparked the idea? But just because, like, obviously working with tsn, you have probably guys, when they're done their seasons, come join the panel. And you've just probably heard so many of these. You're like, the hockey fans deserve to hear these stories behind this, from behind the scenes.

[James Duthie]

That that's 100 it. I mean, I've been hosting that panel now since O2, so almost, you know, almost 25 years. And I've had so many guys like yourselves come in. And when you're a host, you know, you, you know, it biz like you do the pre game or whatever, and then you're sitting around watching the game, eating pizza. And during that time, I would get all sorts of stories from guys. And at some point I said, I really need to put this in a book at some point. And it's funny, the first book, I was terrified that I was not. You signed the book deal and then all of a sudden you're terrified you're not going to have enough stories. Because writing a book, it's like 350 pages. You know, Nate Barghaetzy always says that's a lot of words. And so I was worried I wouldn't have enough. So I kind of leaned on all the guys. Like Bobby Mac told me a story and Drager and all the guys at work, because I was just terrified I wouldn't be able to get a hold of enough guys. But then the first book came out. I wasn't going to write another one. But I have a lot of guys reaching out to be saying, oh, man, you should have had this. You should have had this guy. Or, I gotta tell you a story. You should have had this guy. And so that at a certain point, after a couple years, I said, I gotta do another one.

[Biz Nasty]

You could sit down with Terry Ryan and Terry Ryan senior and write a third one.

[Keith Yandle]

Terry.

[James Duthie]

You know, Terry. So Terry's chap has a chapter in this book. And I know mo like a lot of the stories you guys have told on the pod before. And, you know, your pod was what made me reach out to Terry. But with Terry, I wanted to sort of tell the whole story of Terry's life, because I. I feel like it felt like a movie for a guy to be like, Newfoundland's great hope to flame out, to have all the crazy stories that he had during his career, and then to come back, you know, almost end up homeless briefly, for a while in Toronto. And then biz. You go out and visit him. He comes on the pod, he sort of gets a name, ends up doing some. Some movies and. And ends up in Shoresy, and then does that last fight, which is part of the book, sort of the last. Last scene of the book. I wrote it like a screenplay, that chapter, because I really feel like you could make a movie on Terry Ryan's life. The chapter is called Terry Ryan the Movie. And, yeah, it's. You know, guys like that. The funnest part is just sitting. Terry I met at an airport. We sat down, and I was asking him about one of the stories. I think the one where he bashed his teeth out with a sledgehammer. And he started doing the backstory, and he was. I looked out on my watch. He's three hours in. He hasn't even gotten to the story yet.

[Ryan Whitney]

He's like, you want a shroom, James?

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He could definitely. He's like a goosebumps. Choose your own ending, right? Like, you don't know what way you're going at spider webs here. You got to bring it back. Spider webs there. But, oh, yeah, he's. He's a treat. The one that recently went viral, I believe it was on the Bar down podcast of you telling the story of Brady Tkachuk messing around with Claud Giroux. I was in tears listening to that one.

[James Duthie]

Do you want me. I mean, do you want me to tell it, or do you feel like it's old already?

[Biz Nasty]

No, no, I would love to hear.

[James Duthie]

You know, and these are with some of the moments. A lot of the time, sometimes I know the stories when I call, but a lot of the times, I have no idea. I just arrange to get time with Brady Tkachuk, and I have no idea what they're going to tell me. And it's a bit like a. A bit of a high wire act, because if you don't get a good story, I'm like, now what am I going to do? I got to put Brady in the book. But when Brady told me the story, I hung up the phone and I was like, man, this is exactly why I wrote this book. So I'll do a condensed version for those who have heard it. So basically, Brady walks into a practice one day, day before a game, and all of his sticks are taped together like 20 rolls of tape. Typical hockey prank. And right away he goes, Giroux. It's got to be freaking Girou. The only other guys in the room are Timmy Stutzla and Alex Debreka. So he goes and he takes a saw from the trainer's room. And people are giving me a hard time in other podcasts because I didn't explain this right. It made me look like an idiot. But he just makes a little tiny cut. I guess there's a certain part of the. Of the shaft. If you make a little tiny cut that's not noticeable to the eye, it will ruin the integrity of the stick and it'll snap. And so he does it to three or four sticks, and he figures he'll go out for practice. Drew's a hothead. He'll snap three sticks, he'll have a fit. Everybody will laugh. Hilarious. Well, then Brady's the captain of the team. He gets busy. Drew must have grabbed another stick. Nothing happens during practice. So the next day, they're playing the blues, and sure enough, they get a power play, like six minutes in. And this is on YouTube. You can look up the game to rub us a stick, runs back, grabs another one, just knocks a. A little muffin out of the air, snaps another one and is losing it. There ends up being a TV timeout. I think the power plays over. And by the way, Brady's sit on the bench and has no clue, right?

[Biz Nasty]

That's the best.

[Keith Yandle]

So it's just.

[James Duthie]

Just so Brady and. And what? But Drew is fuming. And I guess in Drew's mind, now Claude's telling me the story. He's like, somebody messed with my sticks and Braden Shen's on the blues. They're good buddies. He's like, it must be Shenner. So he starts fuing Shannon from the bench, going, shannon, you mess with my sticks, right? And when he said that, Brady's like, oh, my God. Oh, he's using these sticks in. In an NHL game. And he's freaking out. Drew sits next to him. He looks down the bench, and Debris and Stutzler are giggling their asses off. And he looks over at them and says, you take this to your graves, Right. You cannot say a word. But he can't. You know, Brady's such a good guy. He can't. He can't not say it. So g. Sit next to him on the bench. He taps him, and he's like, gee, it was me. And Drew's like, what? I. I cut your sticks. And Drew, you know, who's the ultimate pro, he's like. Like, he couldn't even conceive. Dude, we're trying to win.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah.

[James Duthie]

In the NHL. And so I'll tell you the ending, because I've told the story so much. I didn't tell it on the other podcast, but the. So they end up like, Brady played super guilty. Got, like, four points. I think they won seven or eight to one. Drew got a bunch of points. So we finally forgave him a couple days later. But it wasn't until a few weeks later that Brady said, by the way, that was you, right? That taped up my. The taped up my sticks. He's like, no, it wasn't me. And Timmy stutes. Over in the corner goes, it was me.

[Biz Nasty]

Oh, my God.

[James Duthie]

And so he was there and knew the whole time and didn't say a word.

[Ryan Whitney]

He skated free the whole way.

[James Duthie]

So. But anyway, that was.

[Biz Nasty]

I get why.

[James Duthie]

That's one of those stories.

[Biz Nasty]

I get why Giroud would be like that. Because that was around the time where they were missing playoffs. There was a lot of pressure. So, like, every. Every game mattered so much. So.

[Mike Matheson]

Right.

[Biz Nasty]

He probably couldn't fathom, like, what the. My own teammate would react.

[James Duthie]

But of course, you know, Brady would have never done this.

[Biz Nasty]

No.

[James Duthie]

If he had any concept that it would ever happen in a game.

[Ryan Whitney]

That's. What's so funny about Brady, is that he wouldn't, after he didn't use him in practice, be like, oh, hey, dude, like, grab those sticks. Like, it didn't work. But I. He just completely forgot.

[James Duthie]

Well, there was still, like, two more, because I. I think I left out the part where as soon as he breaks the second one, like, Brady runs to the trainer. It's like, you have to, like, get rid of the next two sticks on the rack.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah. Go make them a couple more.

[James Duthie]

This cannot happen again.

[Biz Nasty]

And then you mentioned on the other pod, too, like, thank God they won. So we got this story. Yeah.

[James Duthie]

Because we know. No way. Brady's telling that story to anybody if, if they lose for sure.

[Ryan Whitney]

I got the book and the first one's incredible. I haven't started reading the second one yet, but I looked through and I played with Brendan Morrison. He's hilarious. So I saw that there's a part about an arbitration hearing for him. Yeah, you got to give us that one.

[James Duthie]

Well, you know, you're talking about how you get stories for the book and, you know, part of it, like the first book, you guys gave me about five people. Kelly Chase gave me about five people. He was invaluable, thinking about Kelly. But I call the second book a little bit Six Degrees of Kevin Bxa because Kev was one of the first guys I talked to. And when we were done, Kev told me a great story about getting. When he was a rookie, he got Marcus Naslin, had a team party at the house with the wives and everything, and they were serving Jlore wine and bxa. Like, didn't realize, but just must have had like two bottles. And he says he can hold his liquor. I don't, I don't believe he can because he was puking all night. And then they had escaped the next day and he couldn't stand. And so the guys were trying to, you know, help him out, bury him in the lines. But I guess whoever was the first power play, maybe Sammy Sallow or something, got hurt. And so that was his break, where Alan Vino's like, you're. You're running the first power play unit. And he could barely stand. He was Bambi. And So that, that's BX's story and how the biggest break of the career came when he could barely stand up on the ice. But at the end of the interview, Kev's like, you got to talk to Brendan Morrison because Brendan has a crazy salary arb story. And in my head I'm going, who wants a salary ARB story in a book? Salary arb's the boringest thing ever. But I called Brandon and so Brandon was with the Canucks back when it was the Dave Nonis Brian Burke regime. And he'd had a good year. He was playing with Nasland and Bertuzzi. So had a really good year. And he's up for arb. And they were only, I think there were 3 or 400, maybe he wanted 2.44 and the Canucks were offering 1.7 or something over a 2 year deal. And Berkey hates arb. I think this is. Berkey says this is the only time he ever went to Arb because it's a waste of my time. And you know, Berkey with his tie around his neck, I don't want to waste time in the summer in arbitration cases. So Berkey sends a text to Morrison's agents, like, if we go to ARB and he gets one more penny than we're offering, I'm letting him walk because I don't want him. Right? So it's a big game already and it's a lot of tension. They get into this little ARB room which have any of you guys did every, any of you guys go to our members. Thank God he's never been through it. Tiny little room in Toronto with a little table. On one side is Berkey, you know, and nonus and their lawyer, who's this French Canadian guy. And then on the other side is Morrison, you know, his agent and the NHLPA lawyer. So they do their arguments back and forth and then they have closing statements just like a case. So the guy, the, the Canucks lawyer, I, I, I don't want to offend anybody with a French Canadian accent, but I kind of have to do it this way. So he does the, he does the wrap up, like the closing argument, you know, like, like Tom Cruise and A Few Good Men. And he's like, I want to tell you a story about the elephant and the mouse. And Morrison's like going, what the hell? Like, where am I right now?

[Ryan Whitney]

And he goes, there's an elephant in.

[James Duthie]

The mouse going through the, do the, the forest together. And they come across a raging river. And the mouse is like, I cannot.

[Keith Yandle]

Get over the river.

[James Duthie]

And the elephant says, I will help you get on my back. And so he goes on for like three minutes telling this little kid's fable. And the elephant gets across the river with the mouse and Morrison's like, where is this going? Then the guy stands up like for effect and says, in this story, Todd Bertuzzi and Marcus Naslund were the elephants and Brendan Morrison was the mouse.

[Ryan Whitney]

He felt the size of a mouse.

[James Duthie]

You know, as if he did nothing all year. And, and he was completely carried. And I guess, you know, he walked out of the room like a complete shock. And Berkey tapped him on the shoulder and said, hey, it was nothing personal. Hey buddy, that's his business. And I think he won the case. So they settled in the middle and the Canucks did accept it despite the fact of what Berkey said. And there was no hard feelings. Berkey was laughing when he was telling me the story too, but it's Just. It's so funny. And his. A. Brendan Morrison, still in his office, has this great caricature that his agent gave him of an elephant and a mouse crossing the river. And the mouse is wearing his number on the back.

[Biz Nasty]

That's so good. That is so good. That kind of reminds me of Terry Ryan and Milbury when he was Grinnelling at the.

[James Duthie]

The.

[Biz Nasty]

The draft. Like, sometimes when those guys get in a room, they just fire our arsenal at you.

[James Duthie]

That's right.

[Biz Nasty]

That is so. That is crazy.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah.

[Biz Nasty]

What was your.

[Keith Yandle]

One of my favorite. And just from playing in Phoenix and hearing all the stories, Todd Simpson.

[James Duthie]

Like, have you guys had him on yet?

[Keith Yandle]

No, I don't. Oh, not since I've been on.

[James Duthie]

Have you had him?

[Ryan Whitney]

No, I don't think so.

[Biz Nasty]

You.

[James Duthie]

You gotta get Todd Simpson on.

[Keith Yandle]

So he's like. He's a known prankster, like, unbelievable. But if you could tell the one that.

[James Duthie]

Yeah, well, his chapter is called the Prankster, because there's quite a few pranks in this book. But I think Todd Simpson's one of the more legendary ones ever. I know you know one biz, because I think Nasher told you once about, like, the day he got waved, Todd Simpson, he. Yeah, he took all the car keys and. Hell, yeah. And took them off the things and put them in a pile. On the day he got, like, five minutes after he got waved and was leaving the team and said, have a good ride home, boys. And it took them. These guys, like, I think.

[Biz Nasty]

I think it was like, a lot of their house keys.

[Ryan Whitney]

Oh, yeah.

[Biz Nasty]

It took them weeks, so guys had to keep bringing them back to the rink and saying, no, try this one. Yeah. It was just chaos. Was he involved in the. You know, that. That powder that they would put.

[James Duthie]

Okay, so this is the story.

[Biz Nasty]

Okay. All right.

[James Duthie]

It was. It was Ray Whitney. And there's. If we have time, there's a great Ray Whitney story that ends the book. But I think Ray Whitney told Simpson about this when he was in Florida that, you know, I heard you guys talking about Heat last week. Thanks for finally watching it, Biz. But, you know, in all the bank robber movies, the die explodes, like, on the money. That's the way the cops catch the bank robbers. Well, apparently, like, some of these police supply stores, you can buy this stuff. So Ray Whitney tells Todd Simpson that you can do this and obviously, simmer. One of the great pranksters, he goes right away to the store and buys it. And so his plan is to, like, put it on some guy's gear and you Know, so he and Donor, Donor, you know, everybody loves Donor there. And so he wants to test it with Donor. So he puts a little bit in Donor's jock. Like, he gets the practice early and puts it in Donor's jock. And he's waiting the whole skate to see if Donor reacts or starts getting itchy or anything like that. Because this thing, this dye just turns completely purple when it interacts with heat or sweat. So he's watching Donor, and he said afterwards, everybody left and Donor was staying in the shower, and he was kind of, you know, creeping in the shower, looking at Donor to see what Donor was doing. But Donor didn't go give off anything. So he's like, I didn't use. I must have not used enough because he was being cautious. So the next practice, he comes in early, he puts it in every player's gloves except Donor, I think, in the two goalies, right? And he puts now a liberal amount of the stuff. So they go out for the skate and, you know, nothing's happened at first, but five minutes in, guys start like taking off their gloves and there's like purple everywhere. And, you know, you. You react, you put it, you know, you move your helmet, now it's on your head, and now it's on your shirt. And Claude Lemieux comes out and he was angry. He figured something had happened. And he starts yelling and there's purple all over him. And suddenly it's just. It's like Barney the dinosaur exploded on the ice, right? And there's just purple everywhere. They're trying to run a practice, and it's all over their gear and everything. And, you know, Simmer did it to himself, of course, being a smart prank, too. So he's the same way. He's like, what the hell's going on here, Donor?

[Keith Yandle]

Why are.

[James Duthie]

Why are you so clean? Right? And so it was a complete mess. He did feel bad because I think he had to cut like a 10 grand check to the cleaners because the entire dressing room was an absolute disaster. But he, he never told anybody about it. And I think, you know, you, you, a couple, you guys have heard about it. But for years after, like, when he was playing on other teams, guys would come up to him face offs and say, simmer, were you, Were you the guy that put the purple in? And. But he's like, he's. You got to have him on because he's a. Just an absolute legendary.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah, it ruined. Yeah. I want to say they all got new gear because it was like, for like a third jersey. Type thing. So it was all this brand new stuff. So he'd ruin, like you said, like 10. Yeah, it was probably more than 10 grand.

[Keith Yandle]

And that's when guys didn't wear a ton of new gear. And I heard Stan Wilson, who's the trainer there, was absolutely so pissed off. But it's so hilarious, him not putting it in donors. And he's like, oh, donor did it. And then donor, like, took down his pants and he's like, no, he got me too.

[James Duthie]

Oh, by the way, a donor. So afterwards, I guess Simmer said, Simmer did tell donor. And it's like, when I put it in your first, like, did it affect him? He's like, oh, it was all over my junk. But he goes, I didn't want to give whoever it was the satisfaction, so I stayed in there for half an hour just scrubbing my junk with soap, getting the thing off because I didn't want anybody to know that it affected me.

[Ryan Whitney]

His hawk's still purple. I heard another one later.

[Keith Yandle]

I heard another one that he did was he'd go to, like, the local barber shop and get all the hair from there and lube up guys their front windshield with Vaseline and put the hair on it. And then, like, you'd put your windshield wiper on, it would just make it a thousand. So there'd be guys driving down the highway with their head out the window they couldn't see.

[Biz Nasty]

Brutal. Yeah, yeah. Just some. The old school ones were vicious. I think it might have been Brad May who did somebody. Was it. Was he playing Vancouver? Brad May? Yeah. At some point, yeah. Where they. He took down the. The sunroof and then he got all the industrial bags of popcorn and he put it in somebody's brand new BMW. All the butter was all on the. On the brand new leather. It was just.

[Keith Yandle]

You were a young guy and bought a new car. Forget about it. It was done.

[James Duthie]

It was red. Maybe Brad May's got a good story in the book. So the year that he got traded to the Ducks, that the Ducks won the Stanley cup, he was in Colorado. He got traded, and I think his 30 seconds into his first shift, he got hurt. And so I said, you imagine you're trying to make an impression on a new team, and the next day gets called into Randy Carlisle's office, and Carlisle's like, you know, I didn't even want you. Berkey wanted you, but I didn't even want you. And now here you are hurt, you know, first game, like, what a dud of a trade for Us. And so May's all rattled. Like, May's a guy everybody loves everywhere he goes. And now he's in the doghouse already. And I think they had a golf tournament a couple days later and he's playing, playing with like four of the guys or eight of the guys. And they're, they're weight. They're trying to wager, but nobody's betting 20 bucks, of course, NHL guys in your money. So I don't know who it was. George Paros or one of the guys on the team says, we're gonna play touching Randy. And maybe.

[Ryan Whitney]

Oh, I, I remember hearing about this because I was there.

[James Duthie]

Yeah, what the hell is touching Randy or whatever? And, and like. Oh, yeah. So Rand, I guess Randy, you know this better than me with Randy didn't really like getting touched or having people in his personal space.

[Ryan Whitney]

I don't think he liked anything.

[James Duthie]

It was a thing for Randy to get touched. So everybody who lost like the force in the lost that golf round all had to like touch Randy in an aggressive way like in the next 24 hours. And so May, you know, he's already in the doghouse and he's the last guy they make him be the last guy to get on the team flight. And everybody's sitting down watching. Is he going to touch him? And he kind of walks by Randy's spot, like, gives him a big arm on the shoulder.

[Keith Yandle]

Hey, coach.

[James Duthie]

Right? Randy's like, what the hell? So, so in, in Brad's saying, like, touching Randy was like this big bonding thing for him to get into the Ducks. I just love the name of it. Touching Randy's like my favorite chapter title.

[Biz Nasty]

That is. Yeah, that's. That is a silly Dave. What's the one about? Well, it's got Connor and Leon with the beer league story.

[Mike Matheson]

Oh, yeah.

[Biz Nasty]

How did that come to be?

[James Duthie]

Be. Yeah, you might have seen video.

[Ryan Whitney]

Like there was a video this year.

[James Duthie]

There was a bit of video last summer, this past summer of them playing, but the story is actually from the previous summer. So con is I live in Aurora, which is about 40 minutes north of Toronto. And the, the town just north of us is New Market. And there's a great, great beer league in the summer. It's got a bunch of tiers, but the top tier, there's a few NHL guys, a lot of prospects, a lot of guys play college hockey and in Canada. And the only reason I know this, this story is because my daughter's boyfriend who lives with us in the summer, plays on in this beer league. He's A good player. He plays for Nipissing University. His name is Luke Strickland. And so my daughter's at the game and, and, and she was the one who texted me and told me. But anyway, so they're playing in the quarterfinals of beer league. And like a normal beer league team, they're out having a beer, you know, in somebody's trunk of his. Of his F150, having a beer before they go in to play the game. And they're playing. McDavid's old buddies have a team in the league. And once every couple of years, McDavid shows up and plays, right? And it's kind of legendary. Everybody in Newmarket runs to the rink to watch him, but he been married three days earlier, so nobody expected he would show up. So these guys are sitting, having their beer going. I wonder if McDavid's going to show up. Hopefully not, you know. And then the SUV pulls into the parking lot at the last minute, McDavid gets out and they're like, like, oh, man. And then the passenger door opens and Dry Settle gets out and they're like, oh, my God.

[Ryan Whitney]

Oh my God, it's a police escort.

[James Duthie]

Yeah. And I think that was the first time Dry Saddle had ever showed up with McDavid. So now they're all gone for a loop. But the cooler part of the story, their goalie, typical beer league, didn't show up, couldn't make the game, had an emergency. So they have a second goalie, kid by the name of Ben Charrette. I think he's at Harvard this year. And Ben was at another rink doing a skate, like a power skate. So he just got off the ice two hours, he's exhausted and he picks up his phone and has this like slur of Texas saying, ben, we need you, man. The other goalie didn't show up also. We're playing McDavid and dry sidel. And so Ben's like, oh my God. You know, he's like this 18, 19 year old kid. He's like, I gotta go, right? I got one in your life. Might you play McDavid and dry saddle. So he burns over to the rink and he says, this is so surreal. They had to delay the game. 15 minutes, minutes. And he's so, so Ben could get ready. He's putting on his gear, he skates out and there's McDavid and dry saddle leaning against the boards waiting for Ben to start the game. He says, the first shift, like Dry Settle wires went off the bar. The hardest shot he's Ever. It hits the roof of the rink and then McDavid comes down. Two seconds later, goes Dipsy Doodle, scores. And Ben's like, oh, we're gonna lose like 30, 30 nothing. But the story is. Is basically the experience of these guys playing dry saddle. McDavid has a bit of a twist ending that I won't give away here. I gotta give some people a reason.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah, no. Yeah.

[James Duthie]

Game goes to overtime and it's, you know, for a kid like Luke, you know, was a really good player, you know, might play pro somewhere someday, but not the NHL. Like he says, like this. This might be the greatest night of my life. Right? I got a picture of him. There's a picture of him in the book taking a face off against dry saddle with McDavid on the wing. And not only that, they're wearing all their Oilers gear except for the jersey, so it's intimidating as all hell for these kids.

[Biz Nasty]

This has been awesome. We can't thank you enough for your time. I was going to ask you, is. Is there one, like, when you sat down that was so, like, sentimental and maybe like, was like almost like a sad story that you had to put.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah.

[James Duthie]

I mean, you can't. The book, despite what we've said here today, the book's not all pranks. You can't have a book like that. And some of them are about amazing games and you have to have some stories, I think that tug at the heart. When I read a book, I'm hoping people laugh and then maybe cry on the next page. I think that the. The chapter that means the most is a chapter on the good rose. And I owe Yan's a bunch for this because when we finally hooked up and he got a new phone, I think the day that I was supposed to interview Yan's was the day after the accident. And, you know, he texted me that morning. It's like, I can't do this. And I, obviously, I totally understood. And then when we did talk maybe a month later, I. I was thinking about. And it was just so damn sad. And I said to Yan, I said.

[Ryan Whitney]

Do you think we.

[James Duthie]

I could do a chapter that was like a beauties type chapter where I got people to tell, you know, funny stories about Johnny and Maddie. Right. And stories about who these guys were that, you know, because I was just. It was so hard just watching the ceremony after ceremony and Meredith and Madeline and Guy and Jane out on the ice all the time, and it was just so heartbreaking. And so, you know, Yance told me a great story. And I ended up, you know, Matthew Kachuk. I ended up with 21 people, either family members or teammates, Rasmus Anderson and Boone Jenner and so on and so forth. And they all told me these hilarious stories about these two guys and I kind of wanted it for something. When their kids grow up, they could read and say, oh, this is what kind of what my dad was like. He was a pretty hilarious, hilarious dude because I think Johnny was a, you know, you guys would know more than me, but a really, really funny, self deprecating, modest guy. And Maddie, who nobody knows much about, was also a terrific guy. So that chapter is, you know, I think the heart and soul of the book.

[Ryan Whitney]

And then also there's one on, on Macklin Celebrini and, and his father who, you know, it. People have heard about his dad and like, what he does and you know, the connection with the warriors and Steve Nash and like, what, what went into that one? Did you get to talk to his father? Because also his little brother I think is like crushing records in, in British Columbia is going to Shattuck next year. So it's like, we're gonna see another one of these celebrities come the whole family.

[James Duthie]

All the kids are super, super athletic. Both of the parents were, were crazy athletic. But yeah, I mean, I'd heard. I think we did a feature when Macklin was on the world Junior team, World Juniors is one of my gigs. And you know, talking about Rick, who, for people who don't know, is like the head, I don't know what you call it, sports guy for the.

[Ryan Whitney]

And it's also mental stuff too, I think. It's not just like physical, but he.

[James Duthie]

You know, he was one of these guys and he hooked up with Steve Nash, the basketball legend, when Nasher was hurt. And they sort of worked together for a couple years and developed, you know, Rick had these ideas, Nash had these ideas, and they developed sort of almost a revolutionary way to train. And. And so Macklin in many ways, and the other kids were kind of like, who Rick was using this on as he learned it. So at five, six years old, you know, ways to lunge, ways to have your. Have your skates pointed a certain way. And I think to this day, Macklin trains different than almost anybody else in the NHL. I know he trained with Quinn Hughes last summer and at the end Quinn was like, I need you to teach me this. I want to learn this, but it's great. Draymond Green is in the piece as well, talking about, you know, Macklin would come to the Golden State warriors facility and usually every kid that comes by, they grab a basketball and try to shoot. And Macklin just had his like mini stick at seven years old, was off in the corner doing the hockey stuff. So it's, that's not a. Yeah, that's a more serious chapter, but a fun chapter just about how this kid, you know, kind of the perfect storm of having this dad that met Steve Nash right when he was born and, and Macklin with all this God given ability and how it meshed together to form who I think is going to be one of the greatest players in the NHL for the next 15 years.

[Biz Nasty]

I ended up training with, I think it's his uncle at Fortias. And like you said, like the type how they wanted you moving your body and doing different things. Yeah, I went to him after I had bilateral spirit sports hernia surgery and they were telling me like, you're sustaining these injuries because you're not moving properly. And obviously I could, it never really registered. I could never figure it out and get over to my old patterns. You guys laugh, but I can't.

[Ryan Whitney]

No, no, but I, I, it's very hard. It's so different that you're like, I can't mentally.

[Biz Nasty]

You've been doing the same movement for 15 years. It's hard to get out of your, out of your hamster wheel. Right. But there's a reason why I pull my L5 out, the best one every month. Right.

[James Duthie]

You know, also Max also got the, you know, the X factor. I think of being super confident and competitive. I think the story, the chapter opens with a story of Mac when he's 4 years old or 5 years old hitting wiffle balls. Maybe the same uncles throwing wiffle balls at him in his backyard and burn a BBC. And Mac is just crushing wiffle ball after wiffle ball into the neighbor's yard. And he says to his uncle, he says, uncle, someday people are going to pay to watch me do this. And Rick wrote it down in his phone because what five year old says this stuff?

[Biz Nasty]

Oh yeah, that's crazy.

[James Duthie]

But he was right, just wrong sport.

[Ryan Whitney]

My five year old's eating his boogers and we got Macro charging for autographs. Hey, James, I gotta ask because Bob McKenzie, the Bob father, he's, he's completely retired now. You spent so much time with them. And I got to go in one time to TSN when I was still in the Oilers and I remember it was Vancouver, Dallas, first round and I said, oh, I hope this goes to ot. And Bob goes, you shut your mouth. Right now. And I learned quickly as a broadcaster, it's like, we don't want to be here. And the game went to triple overtime and went to ot. He blamed me, but I didn't know if you had any stories about him, like, what an awesome guy and a legend in the game of hockey. It's weird not having him around now. Breaking news and being in. In the picture as he always was, you know, we're.

[James Duthie]

We're less than a month away from world Juniors, and it's going to be my first world juniors without Bob, who I've always said, like, any credibility that people gave me on the panel is only because Bob was probably at the other end of it. And I just completely wrote his coattails the entire time. So it's going to be really strange not having him. The guy like, you guys have no idea what a legend he is. He, like, even when he wasn't trying, when he was semi retired there, he would break the biggest deals because he's. He's the only guy. I think we're like the GMs call him, say, Bobby. We made a big deal. You know, I'll tell you the story for the other thing about Bobby. He's like ultra competitive, right? He's a. And I think the story I wrote in the first Beauty's book is Bobby got to go. They were filming, like, way back in the day, they were filming some sort of. Some sort of TV show, TSN, with like, Paul Romanek and Bob McKenzie. It was like a skills show or, or something. So they were both on the ice, like, hosting the show. And I think it was somebody, you know, maybe two university teams or juniors competing against each other in a showdown type of thing. And they. They wanted Bob to demonstrate the showdown, the shootout. And they had Latis Lab Trechak there, you know, one of the greatest goalies of all time, you know, past his prime now, but he was, you know, paid an appearance to be there. And this was just, you know, Bobby was just supposed to go down and take a soft muffin at Trechak. And, you know, everybody would clap, right? But Bobby would not have that because he's like, this is my one and only chance to score on Vladislav Trek Shack. Bobby was a pretty good hockey player back in the day. I got some great old photos of him with a, you know, the full mullet and stuff, and big tough Bobby Mack. But. So Bobby's like, I'm gonna score on this guy.

[Biz Nasty]

I don't.

[James Duthie]

So what caught him off guard? He's deciding what move he's gonna make? He's coming in. Trechak comes out at him, tries to poke check him. So Bobby's like, crap. So Bobby does this. Deke Trechak slides the poke check and trips him. And Bobby goes flying. But last second, you know, backhands it into the net. So scores, but rams into the boards and separates his shoulder. And now he's like, oh, my God, you idiot. Like, he's got to do this TV show so he can't let anybody know that he's. He's separated the shoulder and he's just looked like an idiot. Try. Try to score in this little exhibition against Vladislav Dretjack. But that was Bobby, man.

[Keith Yandle]

He's.

[James Duthie]

He's just one of my favorite people in the history of the world.

[Ryan Whitney]

And he's in a slang for the whole shoot.

[James Duthie]

Yeah, no, he just had to. You know, he's. Bobby's tough, too. I think he just had to go through the whole thing, like dangling his shoulder, not letting anybody on that he did it. But as far as he scored, you know, he's one for one against stretch act in his life.

[Biz Nasty]

So is he gonna keep doing the. Because he was still doing some draft stuff too, wasn't he?

[James Duthie]

No, I think, you know, his. His son is a super talented hockey guy, is the GM of the kitchen arrangers. Mike and I think Bob's a bit of a shadow GM who, you know, goes to the games and lurks in the shadows with the coffee. But he's a grandfather who loves hanging out with the grandkids. And I. I don't think you'll see much of him because I think he's gonna. Those insiders, you know, whether It's Dregs or LeBron, Chris Johnson, Elliott, all do such a great job. That's a man. They are attached to their phones, always brutal. And I. So I think when you're done with it, you want. You want to be done forever.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah. And back in the day, too, like, you had to do phone calls, like, Elliot. We talked. We asked about a screen time. Like, obviously they're all texting nowadays. I can't even imagine back in the day where you had to constantly just be on the phone all day long talking, so.

[Mike Matheson]

Right.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah, It's. It's long, hard hours. Was there anyone that we. Any story that we didn't ask you about that you really wanted to share because we've obviously taken a lot of your time.

[James Duthie]

Well, I don't want to give away too much of the book. I did mention I did tease the Ryan Whitney thing. So my book was basically done. And you know what? I was going to bookend with the Chucks. Matthew told me some great stories about not the Panthers team that won the cup, but the one the year before and how he felt that team was like the biggest group of beauties ever, and he felt it really laid the foundation. And some prank stories in there. So I was going to bookend the book with Brady Tkachuk story at the beginning, Matthew at the end. But right as I was finished the book, I was doing the Masters. Sorry. I know when I always rub that.

[Ryan Whitney]

In, it's the best part of your job.

[James Duthie]

And I get to work with Graham Delete at the Masters. Great Canadian golfer, awesome sasky boy. And Dilette's like, I was telling Dillette about the book, and he's like, you got to talk to Ray Whitney. And I'm like, yeah, the book's kind of done. It's like, no, you got to talk to Ray Whitney. So I'll tell this one. So Ray, Ray, Ray. And I know you had lad on. On earlier. He was probably on this team. So they win the cup in 06. I think it's the next year, 07. They're playing a game. What does NHL restart? Boxing Day or the 27th usually, right? So they're playing again. I think it's Boxing Day that year. So Ray's grandma has this unbelievable recipe for cabbage rolls. Like, it's like the tastiest thing in the world. So that's the tradition at the Whitney house, is to eat these cabbage rolls. So Ray says, christmas Day, he eats a dozen of these cabbage rolls. And anybody who knows what cabbage does to a body, that's a dangerous thing to do. Boxing Day goes to the morning skate. They're playing at home, comes home, breaks with what his normal meal is, and eats, like eight more cabbage rolls because he can't stop himself, himself. So he's getting to the rink, getting dressed, his stomach's starting to growl. He's on these in the opening lineup. And, you know, they got a little kid out next to them for the anthems, like a lot of teams do for the anthem. And he said he can feel this thing building in his stomach and, like, moving down towards. And he's like, oh, my God, like, I gotta fart. I gotta. And I feel bad for this kid because I know it's gonna be a big one, but I can't stop it anymore. So it's like in the home. And he. He lets it go and he had no control. And it is a full on dump. The entire. The entire load explosion, non stopping, worst ever. Disgusting. Into his compression shorts, down his compression straight liquid. The worst ever cabbage. And I'm sorry, sorry to listeners if anybody's eating early dinner, but. So these cabbage rolls have just exploded all over his pants. And he says usually he does, you know, quick lap. Does the water thing. Yeah, he said he just glides to scent glides to his spot because you can't go off. Yeah, it's a penalty. So he just spreads his legs and glides to the.

[Mike Matheson]

To.

[James Duthie]

To the dot. So Brendan Moore wins the face off, as always. Dumps it in. He goes in, he just says he's skating. I can't do this. On just skating completely wide legged. Tried to stop this stuff from oozing down to his socks. And he says he does like one little whack at the puck. Right back to the bench, right down the tunnel. Says signals to the trainers, they all think he's pulled his groin because he has groin issues. Goes right into like the handicap washroom and is like, I need all new gear. I need a plastic bag. I need everything. And I need a shower turned on. Whatever. Full right now. They're like, you okay? He's like, yeah, I'm okay. I just dumped my entire plot contents of my body into the thing. And so the chapter has a little more detail than that, but I think he missed eight minutes of that. And he comes back behind the bed, but back behind the bench. And Lavi's like. Lavie says to him, like, just joking, would you Your pants? And Whit says, he just looks up at Lavvy, goes, you have no freaking idea.

[Mike Matheson]

So.

[James Duthie]

So I don't know if that was the warmest way to end the book, but I just thought it was.

[Ryan Whitney]

Oh, it was warm already.

[Biz Nasty]

Oh, yeah. Hot steam and dump.

[Mike Matheson]

Yeah.

[Biz Nasty]

We're gonna pull up the book one more time just for our viewers to be able to see what to look for. There it is right there.

[Ryan Whitney]

And the first one, it's awesome. These are. This is a great idea, man.

[James Duthie]

Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Like I said, I owe you guys a lot. You told me some awesome stories. And like I said, when I was writing, the first book was just when you guys were starting to blow up. And it was sort of validation for me. Like, you guys kind of made hockey stories cool again. I think you made players comfortable telling them because a lot of these stories, you know, I'm not sure guys would feel comfortable, but I think you made people Comfortable telling great hockey stories. And there's about 80 of them in this book, which are just stuff like we told today. So it's good bathroom reading. You can read one, toss it aside, pick it up in two weeks later.

[Biz Nasty]

Oh, it's an honor to get you on, buddy. And I. I think it's just going to spark more, and you'll end up having three, four, five books down the road.

[James Duthie]

Right.

[Biz Nasty]

I don't know if that's something you. You want to sign up for, but.

[James Duthie]

Yeah, no, I mean, if people like them.

[Biz Nasty]

Okay.

[James Duthie]

There's an un. I think there's an unlimited supply of them. Right. So, yeah, I guess I'm gonna have to have themes somewhere along the way of. I don't know, maybe I'll do one on Hall. Just hall of Famers or something. But it's. Yeah, it's. It's fun. It's a treat for me because I get to hear these guys tell the stories. And like I said, when you're on the other end of the line or you're sitting in a bar, listen to a guy tell a story, and, you know, you can imagine in your head what it's going to read like in the book is pretty cool.

[Biz Nasty]

It's awesome.

[Ryan Whitney]

James, thank you so much, man. We appreciate it.

[James Duthie]

Thanks for having me, boys. I really, really appreciate it. And keep doing what you do. Love listening.

[Ryan Whitney]

All right.

[Keith Yandle]

Thanks, James.

[Biz Nasty]

Love you, Duff.

[Ryan Whitney]

See you, bud. Awesome guy. Awesome guy. Before we continue, guys, let's just quickly talk about Noble Biz is a Noble athlete. This episode is brought to you by Noble. Noble is a footwear brand. Yep. For training and for daily life. Built to support you in your pursuit of physical, mental, and emotional strength, Noble celebrates a no approach to wellness. You get the name no. No Bull. They've got options across lifestyle and training, and they're the best shoe for anyone who wants to be a better version of themselves. Plus, Noble is the official training shoe of the NHL, exclusively for Spit and Chickens listeners. Noble is offering 30 off your order. Visit www.nobleproject.com Chiclets for 30 off your entire order. That's www.n o b U-L-L-P-R-O-J-E-C-T.com backslash Chiclets. It says 40 here. I don't know. It's either 30 or 40. The official. I gave big Dan Whitney a pair of Nobles. They are. He doesn't take them off. Nice navy blue color, too.

[Keith Yandle]

Just.

[Ryan Whitney]

Just a sick shoe. And also, got to talk about aura Frames. My parents also have an aura frame. The easiest, best way to share pictures with anyone in your family. Anyone you're close with. If you're a last minute shopper like me, you know the feeling. Shelves are empty and ideas are running low. It's panic time. Aura frames is the solution with a gift that feels personal. Personalize your gift. Add a message before it arrives. The gift box is included. Every frame comes packaged in a premium gift box with no price tag. Preload all the photos before it ships. That's a cool part. Keep adding from anywhere. Anytime my parents have one, I could throw a picture to pop on their living room right now from my phone. It's so easy. You can't wrap togetherness, but you can frame it with aura frames. So for a limited time, save on the perfect gift by visiting or frames.com to get 35 off Aura's best selling Carver Matte frames named number one by wire cutting by wire cutter. By using promo code Chiclets at checkout. That's a U R A frames.com promo code Chiclets. The deal is exclusive to listeners and frames sell out fast. So order yours now to get it in time for the holidays. Support the show by mentioning us at checkout. Terms and conditions apply. I think Johnny Hockey. What a shirt. And we got Snoop. Snoop on what is it Snoop on a show, not Elf on a stoop.

[Keith Yandle]

Wait, I don't know if you saw it while you were reading the Noble.

[Ryan Whitney]

I didn't. I was reading biz Biz took off.

[Keith Yandle]

His pants and was in his ging showing the tag of his sweatpants like a.

[Ryan Whitney]

Okay.

[Keith Yandle]

A true no athlete.

[Ryan Whitney]

Are the pants. Are the pants as comfy as the shoes?

[Biz Nasty]

Oh, yeah. Oh, the track seedos are unbelievable. I think that. I think that what's his name there demigod. I think he's gonna hang up the New balance ones and go noble instead. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Ryan Whitney]

No.

[Biz Nasty]

The best thing about them is when you fart, it keeps them in there. Like you know how sometimes they seep out. You could smell the stinky fart. The Nobles, they trap the fart in there.

[Ryan Whitney]

I think you want them to seep out. No, it is.

[Biz Nasty]

No. And by the time you take.

[Ryan Whitney]

You just want to like, like eight hours later take. Take them off the shower.

[Biz Nasty]

No, the. The quality cotton and fiber in the cotton. It makes it. The fart smell like potpourri hours later. It's incredible.

[Ryan Whitney]

We got the ad read. I'm telling you. That is the.

[Biz Nasty]

Right there and and out cabbage rolls. It actually remakes them into new cabbage rolls in the cotton.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah.

[Keith Yandle]

Hey, imagine. Imagine having one cabbage roll. Never mind 12 like that. There's nothing that's worse.

[Ryan Whitney]

20 in about 20 hours.

[Keith Yandle]

Are they good biz? Is it a Canadian thing?

[Biz Nasty]

Well, it depends who's making them, but, yeah, they're pretty good.

[Keith Yandle]

They're good.

[Ryan Whitney]

I mean, you ate the ocean cabbage, so I'm pretty sure you'd eat Ray Whitney's grandma's.

[Biz Nasty]

That's true. That's. You know, is that a. Is it a. Is it a Polish dish? Cabbage rolls?

[Ryan Whitney]

I don't know. It. It's.

[James Duthie]

It's dish.

[Ryan Whitney]

It's not something I'm dying to try. What are the orange.

[Biz Nasty]

What are the origins of. Of the cabbage roll? Like who. Who did those first?

[Ryan Whitney]

People who do colonoscopy exams created them. And then they're just like, you don't need to do this drink anymore. Straight up, have a bunch of cabbage rolls.

[Biz Nasty]

You're peeing out of your bum.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah.

[Keith Yandle]

Middle of the game.

[Ryan Whitney]

Wait for aura frames. You know who has a guy who could use an OR frame for the pictures he looked at and got all emotional? Brendan Dillon. I don't know if you saw us. This guy's about to play his thousandth game. I mean, kind of a crazy. Yeah, a couple clicks. Couple clicks. Keith, you're one of those guys with a thousand. You guys are special because they're very special. To get a thousand. Me and Biz didn't even do it combined.

[Biz Nasty]

But a thousand kills, I don't.

[Ryan Whitney]

I don't have that either. So I don't know where I'm sitting in this game, but can we roll the video quick? He was shown a picture of himself as a very little kid being held up by his dad, and he's coming up on a thousand games. All he wanted to do was play one game in the NHL and say.

[Mike Matheson]

To this little guy about where you are today.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah.

[Mike Matheson]

Sorry. Didn't mean to do it.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah.

[Ryan Whitney]

Just want to get one.

[Mike Matheson]

Yeah.

[James Duthie]

That's all right.

[Mike Matheson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[James Duthie]

Just want to play one game.

[Ryan Whitney]

That's it.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah. Just.

[Mike Matheson]

Yeah.

[Ryan Whitney]

No, she's crying. I'm just happy. Excited. He's crying. So thankful to.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah.

[Ryan Whitney]

Playing the best league in the world, and from every coach I've had to.

[James Duthie]

Player to teammate, it's. It's been awesome.

[Biz Nasty]

What a guy. Dude.

[Keith Yandle]

How many.

[Biz Nasty]

How many guys?

[Keith Yandle]

How many. How many undrafted guys have played? A thousand.

[Ryan Whitney]

You have the number?

[Biz Nasty]

I'd say four.

[Ryan Whitney]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'd say, like 25.

[Keith Yandle]

Biz. Four. He. He will be the fourth. He will be the fourth. The other three.

[Biz Nasty]

A cabbage roll. I didn't know that that was the number, dude.

[Keith Yandle]

Unreal cabbage poll.

[Ryan Whitney]

I.

[Keith Yandle]

You wanna.

[Biz Nasty]

Let's now let's guess on the number or let's guess the guy's wish.

[Keith Yandle]

Guys.

[Ryan Whitney]

You played with one of them Biz or me?

[Keith Yandle]

I think both the. Or maybe you guys were at training camp with them Special cat in Pittsburgh. A lot of funny stories about him. Loves his beers.

[Biz Nasty]

Scuderi.

[Ryan Whitney]

No. Scuds was drafted to Hal Gill.

[Mike Matheson]

No.

[Ryan Whitney]

He was drafted.

[James Duthie]

Yep.

[Ryan Whitney]

Who? I. Oda line.

[Keith Yandle]

Wow. Wow.

[Biz Nasty]

He was not drafted.

[Keith Yandle]

First one. B.C. boston College legend, I believe.

[Ryan Whitney]

Could score. BC legend. Undrafted thousand games.

[Keith Yandle]

Like he's from Hell's Kitchen.

[Ryan Whitney]

Joey Mullen.

[Biz Nasty]

Joey Mullen, yeah.

[James Duthie]

Wow.

[Biz Nasty]

We had him.

[Keith Yandle]

And then the third one. Biz, you should know. Or the second one. Whoever did it. Legend of the game.

[Biz Nasty]

Wayne. Wayne Gretzky.

[Ryan Whitney]

Ah, I think.

[Keith Yandle]

I guess Wayne.

[Ryan Whitney]

I can't believe there's only four. I just. You hear about so many undrafted guys who end up making it. I just figured there'd be a lot more. Stay hot with. Wow, that's incredible. Brendan Dylan, though, like, undrafted in 08, undrafted again in 09. They got this. The tweet was sent over by G. But like, I mean, plays in the world championship, gets to a cup final. And I gotta mention that jersey, that devil's hat he had on is pretty sick. That's pretty good. Hate Pasha, but pretty sick game. 200 points, made a bunch of money. Look at that. So 4 times 3.9. That's just under 16. 3 times 4 12. So he's made, you know, 30 million bucks. Oh, no, there's a 5 times 3.7 he's made. He's made 40. 45 million. What a story.

[Biz Nasty]

You know what the biggest disgrace of this list though? He's not listed as being in biz. Does bc, which he was.

[Ryan Whitney]

Maybe he asked to have that not included.

[Biz Nasty]

No, he didn't. He was a star. I was shocked that he didn't go into acting after that as opposed to making another 40 sheets playing hockey.

[Ryan Whitney]

He is a nail gun too though.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah.

[Ryan Whitney]

In terms of like being undrafted, making it's one thing. Then playing a thousands when they were playing as physical as he has. Which all those guys, right. Like Lyle Odaline was a beast. He got a thousand. Dino Cicarelli was a maniac. He had 600 goals. Brendan Dillon.

[Biz Nasty]

Have we ever gotten Dino Cicarelli on the pod?

[Ryan Whitney]

I feel like we did episode 404. Yeah, I knew we had Dino on. I didn't remember if we had Todd Simpson on or not.

[Keith Yandle]

Joe Mullen was kind of when Americans weren't getting drafted, right? Was he during that era?

[Ryan Whitney]

I think it was. I mean that there was, there was legit American bias for a long time. There's even still some coaches to this day who don't like Americans. I'm convinced of it. You probably could prove me wrong pretty easily, but Grinelli's saying, didn't Mark Giordano play a thousand games but was undrafted? Is this list fugazi? Is there actually 25 guys?

[Keith Yandle]

It could be. I don't know. I just googled it. I'm not great with the Internet.

[Biz Nasty]

Wait, Yan's up.

[Ryan Whitney]

Well, let's see. Mark Giordano, undrafted.

[Biz Nasty]

11.

[Ryan Whitney]

I think there's probably 25 guys.

[Keith Yandle]

It might be 50. Was St. Louis drafted? I don't think he was.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah. Did you just Up. That's.

[Ryan Whitney]

Well, I, I know St. Louis. Another one. I. I bet you I was closer. 20.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah.

[Biz Nasty]

Okay. So how many guys?

[Keith Yandle]

I don't know. It says, it says four here.

[Ryan Whitney]

On what site? Like a Russian site.

[Keith Yandle]

You know when you Google, you Google it and the AI thing pops up.

[Ryan Whitney]

I don't know. I'm not good on the Internet. AI is a, A farce. Unless it's in a sandbagger. Then it's the best.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah. All right. Hey, hand up. I fudged up. My bad. Shout out. Joey Mullen. Dino.

[Ryan Whitney]

Now we. Steve Duchenne. Like I think we got. I think we.

[Keith Yandle]

Joe Mullen was drafted first overall.

[Ryan Whitney]

If you guessed four on the fake list and was right and it turns out to be 25, that's going to be an all time moment for Cones. Hey guys.

[Keith Yandle]

Players.

[Ryan Whitney]

Players up.

[Biz Nasty]

So we have to talk maybe a little bit more hockey. I want to get your guys opinion on this. Lane Kiffin and NCAA football. But before we do that, what more hockey chatter do we have?

[Ryan Whitney]

Well, on the list here we had that. The injuries are just kind of a disaster. I mentioned all stall. Logan Cooley. Thank God. I don't think it's as bad as it looked.

[Biz Nasty]

No quad contusion.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah, that looked like that's the only.

[Biz Nasty]

Line scoring for them. Him and Gunther have been unbelievable lately, but they've dried up. I think they've lost like they've, they've lost like basically. I think it's like 8 of the last 10 or something like that. Their goaltending's been shaky, hot and cold. And then Obviously, one thing that we haven't talked about is the Clayton Keller, his father passing. That is just Guys. Oh, he. They were so close. Like, what a guy. Such a supportive father that played. And the fact that Kels goes on to play those two games after dealing with that after Thanksgiving, like, that just speaks. It goes back to the. The hockey guys and, and how strong they are mentally and physically. And he played in that game in Dallas. Don't know how he did it. And then it just so happens that the back to back, the second game was in St. Louis where he's from, where his grandfather and his father used to take him to games. They had season tickets behind the. The net. He used to sit on his father's lap at the games and yeah, when.

[Ryan Whitney]

He said that, dude, that was hard.

[Biz Nasty]

That was hard.

[Ryan Whitney]

His. His entire media session there was. Was really, really difficult. Difficult to watch. You just feel so gutted for him. So should we roll Young Talking.

[Keith Yandle]

Talking to somebody too, that played with him growing up. Like he said, his grandfather and his dad were at every single tournament. And you know, we all know how it is. Sometimes your dad has to work and can't make a tournament. You go with another family. But they said he was at every single tournament. Just rooting for him, just happy for his kid. Just watching him out on the ice and like, the courage that it took Clayton to play in those games, man, I. I couldn't imagine. And you know, obviously our thoughts and prayers are with the, with the, with the Keller family and, you know, it just shows that I would imagine his dad would have said to him, I want you to play in this game in my honor, in these games in my honor. I know you're going to have a heavy heart, but absolute gutty, gutty effort by him just for even lacing up his skates and playing. Just a true, A true, true teammate and, and legend.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah. And then the Blues did a great job of. There was a big moment of silence before the game and. Yeah, it's just. It was so sudden too. That's just like all of a sudden, boom. And you just feel so sorry for him. Just a brutal story that came out over the weekend. I'm glad you brought that up. Is that was. That was. That was just horrible to see.

[James Duthie]

Horrible.

[Ryan Whitney]

Kind of tough to go anywhere from there. We're thinking of the. The entire Keller family. Did you guys see Granoli had it down here. I didn't even know this. Where is it on the outline? McDavid and Matthews are now using Bauer sticks.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah, they Swapped.

[Ryan Whitney]

Is that like, don't they both get paid bank from ccm?

[Biz Nasty]

Not enough to not switch if they ain't working.

[Ryan Whitney]

I know. I guess they're like, yeah, I don't care.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah, take my money away. I mean, for. For McDavid, he's still wearing all the gear, so that's like the one thing you notice the most that pops the most. So maybe they just take back a little bit of dough. But I don't know. I. Maybe sometimes. Sometimes companies and. And like, certain sticks, they go through bad batches, right? I mean, you guys would know more. I use the shovel, so I'll throw it over to you.

[Ryan Whitney]

Well, one time I got in the middle of my best season. Warriors like, hey, we'll give you ten grand or whatever to use our sticks. I was like, okay. And then got a legit happen. Like, the goalie was 15ft away. I'm telling you, it was. Any person watching this show or listening would have scored. And I missed the net. And it was with the Warrior. And I was like, oh, my God, I just fired the thing. Like, we got in the locker room, I think I snapped it, actually. And then right back. That was one. I was like, what was I thinking? Like, why am I ever considering switching anything right now? Those guys are on a different level. Malkin at times, I think has had two different companies. Gloves on. Like, I don't know. Yeah, I know. So McDavid used the stick one just.

[James Duthie]

For one game, and I believe it.

[Mike Matheson]

Was only two and a half periods.

[James Duthie]

He did score with the stick, though.

[Mike Matheson]

Matthews, on the other hand, last year he started wearing the Bauer skates.

[James Duthie]

Now he is full Bauer gear, so I feel like that's something more to.

[Mike Matheson]

Keep an eye on.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah, because I remember he had the CCM old school Madonna skates on that had come back, but that was just quick.

[James Duthie]

But when he first came into the league, he was like the face of Bauer.

[Mike Matheson]

Austin Matthews.

[James Duthie]

Like, he was all Bauer for the first three, four years he was in.

[Mike Matheson]

The league, then notoriously switched over to ccm.

[Biz Nasty]

Well, I mean, the. The other night he kind of had one of this. One of his patented, like, pull and release one goals against Pittsburgh. Yeah, one and one. So if. If they have any chance of getting on a run here, they got to get him going.

[Ryan Whitney]

1.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah, he's got to get a synergy in his hand.

[Ryan Whitney]

I can't believe there aren't synergies anymore. It's probably the thing that makes me feel the oldest and like, so out of this, this game is that like there people, there's kids now. Like awesome 12 year old players that don't even know what a synergy was. That. That makes me sick. The Sharks also went no buckets for war ups, which I believe you get fined for that.

[Biz Nasty]

Did you. Did you hear what McKinnon switching to for twigs?

[Keith Yandle]

The Northland Gretzky.

[Ryan Whitney]

If he comes back with like a cabinet Gretzky, guaranteed no. Or it'll be the. It'll be the east and Silver Gretzky.

[James Duthie]

Oh.

[Biz Nasty]

The pink Whitney stick.

[Ryan Whitney]

If we could get one guy to have one shift, that's like my Brendan Dylan. I wanted to play one game. I just want a pink Whitney stick in one shift of an NHL game. That thing would you want?

[Keith Yandle]

Who. Who would you want to use it?

[Ryan Whitney]

Who?

[Biz Nasty]

The pink Whitney stick.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah, if I could pick one guy. Demo Demidov.

[Keith Yandle]

Oh, give him a track suit too.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah, Pink Whitney tracksuit. And then he tapes up the stick and then he snipes.

[Biz Nasty]

That's a great question.

[James Duthie]

He has to be.

[Ryan Whitney]

Is this going through the bottom six? He's going through the bottom six on the Maples right now.

[Biz Nasty]

No, I was gonna.

[Ryan Whitney]

Joshua wa. Roy.

[Biz Nasty]

I was gonna say, if Voracek was still playing, I would have picked Vorachek.

[Ryan Whitney]

He would have had like a shot. He would have had like one of the. The nips.

[Biz Nasty]

Well, what he would have done was filled the stick up with pink Whitney on the inside and there would be an, like this thing. And when he scored, he would just take it off like that and go. That's. That's the celebration. We should. We should see if anyone's down. To use a pink Whitney stick, you have to pay.

[Keith Yandle]

You have to pay the league to have your.

[Ryan Whitney]

I think we got a better chance for four undrafted guys who.

[Biz Nasty]

I think I've done Gary enough favors. He'll. He'll let the pink Whitney twig slide.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah, send them. Send him a meme or. Yeah, send him one of your favorite.

[Keith Yandle]

What are those called?

[Ryan Whitney]

What do you send people? You and Gary send each emojis.

[Mike Matheson]

Send.

[Ryan Whitney]

Make an emoji. Make it a pink Whitney emoji. Just send it to Gary.

[Biz Nasty]

Should I. Should I send him a picture right now, this stick and say, hey, would you care if One guy at a time use this. I'm gonna text him.

[Keith Yandle]

No, no, save the text.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah, we might need a big favor at some point. We might need a big favor at some point. That's. That could just knock. Knock us down a couple pegs. It. We'd be going right back to the Time when Pasha was in center field on the green next to the Green Monster at Fenway, roaming around during the outdoor classic with security pointing rifles at him.

[Biz Nasty]

Like, that's when we got, we got a big PP whack as a podcast. We got all our credentials taken away because, because Pasha snuck down there to get a one on one with pasta as he's about to hit the ice. And then Memes posted it. So, so what you're saying is Gary is essentially our Hockey Genie. Remember we did the Hockey Genie segment? So you're saying save the wishes.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah, yeah. Gary's our guy. Gary's.

[Biz Nasty]

What would be, what would be like, like one thing that you would ask Gary to do if you could ask him to do it about the league right now.

[Keith Yandle]

If you score in the power play, it shouldn't end.

[Biz Nasty]

That used to be a rule.

[Keith Yandle]

Really? Really?

[Biz Nasty]

Yes. That used to be a rule in the NHL. Want to bet?

[Ryan Whitney]

In like, I believe 60s, 50s, the.

[Biz Nasty]

Montreal Canadiens ruined that rule for everyone.

[Ryan Whitney]

They'd get like four, they'd get like.

[Biz Nasty]

Three, four goals every time. So they, they change it where. Yeah, that's a little fun fact for everyone. We can actually clip this so people don't realize. You know who taught me that too was Wayne. Obviously. Wayne Gretzky knew that. But when you used to get a two minute minor, you have to, used to have to serve the whole two.

[Keith Yandle]

Minutes and imagine how many more points he would have had. He must.

[Ryan Whitney]

I was just thinking that when they.

[Keith Yandle]

Took that rule out, I don't think.

[Biz Nasty]

That it even existed. Al Wayne was in the league.

[Keith Yandle]

Right, Right. I know, but he was probably 13, like, oh my God, I could have had a thousand more points.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah. Also kind of with the records, record books a little bit too, for guys who, who are up there who used to play in that era. What other, what rule would you, I mean, that's a rule. What other thing would you like to change with? It could be more of like broader. It could be off the ice.

[Ryan Whitney]

Well, I, I, I, I would say that next time we go to the Olympics, which I believe is four years from this February, let's make sure that the rink's been built because apparently like this rink is, might be getting finished like before puck drop of the first game. And it's also 4ft shorter than it's supposed to be. So for, for, yeah, it's, it, it's, it's legit. A comedy show right now. I think there's like 5,000 Italians that are over there just working overnight every.

[Biz Nasty]

Every no, they ain't. They're taking four hour espresso breaks. They don't give a.

[Keith Yandle]

I feel like every. I feel like every Olympics has this, though. Whether they're like, oh, the, you know, the. The dorms aren't ready or every time.

[Biz Nasty]

They'Ve had an Olympics. I believe that they've had a tester game at least one year out before the Olympic Games. What? Yeah, they had. They.

[Ryan Whitney]

We were a tester for the 2002 Salt Lake City Games, which was the second one with the best on best after 98 in Japan. We played an under 18 Five nations tournament there.

[Keith Yandle]

Really?

[Ryan Whitney]

And it was actually put. We played a bit Kovalchuk, and I.

[James Duthie]

Was like, what the. Who.

[Ryan Whitney]

Who is this? What is this thing? And that. That was basically their warm up for the next winter. And now this rink is like, right now they're putting like the boards in, you know, and then they gotta. They gotta find the. They gotta find the nets. Now Granoli says the test run is scheduled for January 9, which is less than a month before the games. I don't know, Biz. I.

[James Duthie]

Did you.

[Ryan Whitney]

Are you peeing right now, Biz?

[Biz Nasty]

I had the hose. I got the wide nozzle. Body armor, though. That's the reason, though.

[Ryan Whitney]

Oh, like you need the wide nozzle one.

[James Duthie]

Buddy.

[Keith Yandle]

We could give you a squirt one.

[James Duthie]

A can?

[Biz Nasty]

It's a squirt bottle.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah, I just said that.

[Biz Nasty]

Oh, you did?

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah.

[Ryan Whitney]

Hey, how about this? I forgot to mention. With Bedard in four points, players age 20 or younger in NHL history with four. Four points or more in a game. Bedard now has five. How many? Think Gretzky had a hundred? He had 40. Yeah, I mean, 100 would have been basically every other game or more. No, like 2/3 of the game. But still. That. That didn't go over as I planned. All right, you guys got anything else?

[Biz Nasty]

I want to talk about this Lane Kiffin nonsense.

[Ryan Whitney]

Oh, yeah.

[Biz Nasty]

I want to get your opinion on.

[Ryan Whitney]

You know, like you do. You know, like, college football. You've been hearing how ridiculous, like, the buyouts for these coaches are.

[Biz Nasty]

What do you mean, the buyouts?

[Keith Yandle]

Like when these guys guaranteed money that they get.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yes, yes. So right now, lsu, they're paying Ed Orgeron, he won the national title there with Burrow. They're paying him 17 million. Brian Kelly, the coach they fired this year, gets 54 million. And then Lane Kiffin just signed for $91 million. For how many? For anyone who doesn't know. Anyone who doesn't know college football. I don't really know what this.

[Biz Nasty]

91. For how many years?

[Ryan Whitney]

Seven.

[Keith Yandle]

Oh, seven.

[Biz Nasty]

So how much was Ole Miss willing to pay him?

[Ryan Whitney]

Same. I think it was the same. Now LSU's giving him 25 million a year on their roster. I don't, maybe I'm wrong. I don't think Ole Miss was going to be able to do that. But this guy, everywhere he goes, leaves with a complete inferno raging behind him where he just was.

[Keith Yandle]

Hey, but honestly, the way that, like, the players transfer now and everybody leaves, I don't mind it.

[Ryan Whitney]

It's like, No, I, I get it. And lsu, I, I think, I don't. I'm not, I mean, I know I like George. I'm not by no means an expert. I'm not even an expert on hockey, let alone college football. LSU is like a bigger program. Yeah, I, I, you know, I get that it was how he did it. Biz, have you heard, like, what ended up happening? So he knew he was gonna go. But they had a game against Mississippi State. It's called the Egg Bowl.

[James Duthie]

Right.

[Ryan Whitney]

And, and Ole Miss has one loss. They're going to the playoffs for the first time in the, in their school's history.

[Biz Nasty]

Three times. They had over 10 wins in the last three years. And then their first 11 win season this year, year ever in the history.

[Keith Yandle]

He turned it around.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah, 100%. 100%. So he, he tells them, like, I want to keep coaching the team. Like, I'm gone, but I want to keep coaching the team. For anyone out there, like, yeah, let him coach the team. That is one of the craziest things I think I've ever heard. Like, buddy, get the out of here. He then went on and said, okay, well, if you don't let me coach the team, I'm taking all the coaches with me. I'm gonna get a bunch of the players to come with me. Which he still ended up doing. I think he took, like, most of the offensive coaches, and he told the coaches, biz, if you're not on the plane with me, you ain't got a job at lsu. So it's like, leave now. Which completely hoses the team. Like, the, the team's getting ready. They, I mean, I think they got the SEC title game. Has a way to.

[Biz Nasty]

But I believe that, that coaches who have said that they're going to go to a different program have finished coaching the team till the end. Correct. I feel like in this instance, though, they're probably like, man, we've just paid you all this money. We've had all this Success together. You've dragged this out to, to now knowing that you were going to end up leaving and, and having all this money to spend on a roster and blah, blah, blah, and probably taking some of our guys. So they're saying you on the way out. That is.

[Ryan Whitney]

Well, it's a rival. It's the same thing. I know there is a coach that's going to be coaching. He took the Florida job. I don't know the guy's name. And he's going to continue coaching it. Right Lane, I believe. But this one, I think the threatening to the, to the administration and the AD probably didn't go out. Pat Summerall G says the guy's name is. But. And then, so since then, there's a rumor that says his dog Juice Kiffin has a Twitter feed. People are saying it's not even his dog, that this. It's. If he didn't bring the dog with him, he left the dog. Ole Miss took all his clothes out of his office. They put him out on the street. There was a group of people, had to be 200 people him as he's walking from his Escalade to his private jet to go to lsu. Then they don't know what coaches are following them, but the coaches had to show up at the airport with him if they wanted a job. So fans are finding out who's leaving live. As they're getting out of the car, they're like, one of them's like, oh, that's Charlie. You, Charlie.

[Keith Yandle]

You're like this getting on the plane.

[Biz Nasty]

I'll just say this like, college football's turned into a joke like early college sports. But you just gotta go back to the coaches. It's that it all starts with them. And I think his boy, who's the one that won all the championships with Alabama, Saban, David Saban, was kind of defending him on national tv where it's like, you want to talk about the integrity and these players and what they get to learn and a free education and, and these transfer portals and paying them and nil money has ruined the game. Shut the up, dude. Nick Saban's got over 100 million made in his career. Getting to use all this booster money to recruit all the top end talent so he can have all these championships and money. Give me a break. Am I taking anything away from his football knowledge or, or what he's accomplished as a coach? Absolutely not. But you're a hypocrite if you think that that nil money and transfer portals ruin college football. Your greedy Asses, coaching wise. Did that's it. You set the precedent like the best forever.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah. What coaches have been just taking.

[Biz Nasty]

They've been leaving forever and knowing and. And. And. But the one thing I just don't understand, and they keep saying, oh, it has to do with the recruiting process. The recruiting process where it's like, man, the college football playoffs is over by the middle of January. Right? Maybe. Maybe the end of January now, because it's 12 teams. Why do these guys in. In players have to make a decision by then? Why don't they just finish out their seasons and then they announce everything?

[Ryan Whitney]

I think their timing is completely up, actually. I saw Patino had a tweet, basically, like, why don't they change? Because I think signing days in a week. So you got to get there for signing day now.

[Biz Nasty]

It's stupid, because they have. I get that they have the spring games and everything like that, and they gotta get. Some of them. They get in there and they get training early. But Buddy just announced everything February 1st. Everything's a clean slate starting so now. But they. You know what, though? They love all this drama.

[Ryan Whitney]

Oh, I was following yesterday. I was like, this is. It was. It was a great day on Twitter. It was just. And then the Ole Miss fans who loved this guy, now he is enemy number one. There's, like burner accounts putting up text messages and Snapchats and DMS from him to girls. There's all this madness going on. Rumors are flying around about the guy. No, he's not. Then meanwhile, he gets to lsu, but then he's a God there. He's the God. So that fan base loves him, but they'll end up despising him because they'll probably ruin that place at some point. And then also. What?

[Keith Yandle]

What? Keith, did you just almost take a sip of your pee?

[Biz Nasty]

No, no, I got a new. I got a different bottle.

[Ryan Whitney]

Oh, nice.

[Biz Nasty]

Like that.

[Keith Yandle]

And put it away. Oh, God.

[Ryan Whitney]

He could be that clear with how much? How high?

[James Duthie]

Oh.

[Ryan Whitney]

Oh.

[Biz Nasty]

I had. I had a few coffees.

[Keith Yandle]

I know I said it to you yesterday in textbook. Like, why isn't John Gruden just walking him? I don't know. And be like, I'll take the jaw.

[Ryan Whitney]

I'll.

[Keith Yandle]

I got it from here, boys.

[Ryan Whitney]

I was wondering why nobody wants. I don't.

[Biz Nasty]

I feel like Cruden's gonna get something big here soon.

[Keith Yandle]

I'm not.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah, right there. Rick Patino saying, like, basically, basketball, like, it doesn't have to be this way. When coaches leave, you get to finish the season at least now.

[Keith Yandle]

3.4.

[Ryan Whitney]

Kiffin. The ways Kiffin has been fired, though, biz. It's incredible. Like, at Alabama, he was the offensive coordinator. Saban fired him a week before the national championship game, saying he was under. He wasn't prepared for the semifinal. Then he went to fau. He was the Raiders coach. Al Davis, the legendary owner, fired him. Said, I did not hire the man I thought I hired. Basically calling him. The guy's a snake and a liar. He called him a professional liar. He got dragged off the team bus and then fired on the tarmac from usc. It's just. And. And here's the thing, lsu, you got to know what you're hiring. At some point, this guy's gonna leave you for something better and something bigger. Although maybe at this point, he will have burned every.

[Biz Nasty]

Yeah, the. The weird thing when that guy who gave the example of, like, you can't turn a hoe into a housewife, I thought it was an incredible example. He was right. The fact that he got that mad and, like, went up to the guy and did that, I was like, this guy's whack. I didn't know any of this other stuff that you just said. Like, I knew he was with Saban at one point. Now, LSU's had some tough hires. They hired that Brian Kelly thinking he was some offensive genius. That obviously never worked out. You said they're paying him $50 million?

[Ryan Whitney]

54. 54.

[Biz Nasty]

Did they just fire him?

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah, they fired him this year. And lane Kiffin, the $91 million deal, his buyout's 80% of whatever's left. College football, it's straight up free agency every single year with no contracts. It's. It's actually like. It's actually a dream scenario for the athletes.

[Keith Yandle]

You can just start coaching football.

[Ryan Whitney]

Oh, I know.

[Biz Nasty]

No, I. I agree. I. Yeah, it is a dream scenario for the athletes, but I think that in the last five years, like, it's college football. It's a joke.

[Keith Yandle]

Joke.

[Biz Nasty]

It's a joke.

[Ryan Whitney]

It's still no interest product, though. Great product to watch.

[Keith Yandle]

Yep.

[Ryan Whitney]

All right, guys, that about wraps up. I do want to promote our appearance Thursday night. If you live in Canada on Amazon prime, coast to Coast, I think we'll be with you from about 7 to midnight. Going around the league, going around the games. Us three together in one room. I can't wait with. Okay, he's stroking off the pink Whitney stick. I don't know if any NHL will use that now. So check us out. Thursday night, prime coast to Coast Cyber Monday sale. 20 off until the end of the day today. So it's 4:30 Eastern. You got time? DraftKings available in Missouri and we are dropping our show on Thursday this week. So we're going to record Wednesday night because we're going to be in New Jersey and we're going to be working all night Thursday. Luke Robitaille.

[Biz Nasty]

Oh, my God.

[Ryan Whitney]

An all time interview. We promise you. We promise you.

[James Duthie]

You.

[Ryan Whitney]

You're gonna laugh your balls or your vagina straight off your body. I promise you on that.

[Biz Nasty]

I promise.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah.

[Biz Nasty]

Say bye to your ladies. You're gonna laugh it right off your body.

[Keith Yandle]

All right?

[Ryan Whitney]

With that. Shout out, everyone. Have a great couple days. Love you guys.

[Biz Nasty]

Love you. Shout out, Lane Kiffin.

[James Duthie]

Again.

[Mike Matheson]

Won't happen.

[James Duthie]

Won't happen.