Spittin’ Chiclets Episode 603: Featuring Ken Reid & Morgan Geekie

Summary

Spittin’ Chiclets Episode 603: Featuring Ken Reid & Morgan Geekie

Date: December 8, 2025
Hosts: Ryan Whitney, Paul Bissonnette (“Biz”), Rear Admiral, Mike Grinnell
Guests: Ken Reid (Canadian broadcaster/author), Morgan Geekie (Boston Bruins)

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Overview

In this episode, the Chiclets crew delivers their signature blend of hockey analysis, stories, and banter, welcoming NHL scorer Morgan Geekie of the Boston Bruins and celebrated Canadian broadcaster Ken Reid. The show covers Morgan’s hockey journey, Bruins insights, Team Canada’s Olympic selection intrigue, and a deep dive into the art of scouting with Reid. Plus, the guys break down the latest NHL storylines—highlighting the Quinn Hughes trade drama, hand pass rule controversies, and breakout stars—while never straying far from their famously irreverent and authentic personalities.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Weekend Stories & Parenthood Woes

[03:45–13:00]

• Whitney shares a hilariously graphic story about doing “boys weekend” with his sons—culminating in being projectile vomited on in the middle of the night.
  • “He turns, buddy, he puked directly in my face.” (Whitney, 06:24)
• The crew debates the challenge of being a stay-at-home parent compared to a normal job.
  • “Being a stay at home parent is way harder than working now… I’m talking like the go-in, sit-at-a-desk... Way harder.” (Whitney, 03:51)
• Sleepwalking kids, household chaos, and fort-building with Nerf guns contribute to classic dad banter.

2. NHL Life: Nostalgia, Trophies & AI Boobs

[13:00–14:33]

• The hosts reminisce about their playing careers—jerseys, medals, and trophies.
• Quick sidebar on AI infiltrating social media, Barstool content, and "AI boobs."
  • “You’re going to see her AI boobs busted out of the screen.” (Keith, 12:20)

3. Morgan Geekie Interview: From MLB Dreams to NHL Star

[14:34–41:43]

• Morgan discusses his baseball roots, giving his Bruins teammates custom baseball gloves as gifts.
  • “I was like 13 in that picture…I loved it. My dad made us play baseball all the time.” (Geekie, 15:14)
• Turning point from baseball to hockey—trying to play at U.S. colleges, but ended up sticking with the frozen game.
• Playing against the odds: Heavy wooden sticks as a kid, underappreciated before his breakout.
  • “My dad would go to the hardware store, buy 10 sticks for 60 bucks and that was it.” (Geekie, 19:15)
• The “opportunity” factor: How his Boston move, skills coaching, and increased role sparked his scoring surge.
  • “It was tough…I was playing like eight, ten minutes a night…That was one of the reasons I came to Boston.” (Geekie, 21:12)
• The psychology of scoring—responding to doubters on Twitter, playing with confidence, and building chemistry on the Bruins.
  • “I just think people think that we’re not real humans sometimes…But it’s all fun.” (Geekie, 28:43)
• Bruins team culture: Overcoming low expectations, the hard-nosed bottom six, standouts like Zboril, coping with injuries.
• Geekie on being mentioned as a possible Team Canada Olympic player—humility in the spotlight.
  • “I’d open doors and fill water bottles to just be on the Canadian team.” (Geekie, 34:17)

4. Bruins Chemistry, Power Play, and Life in Boston

[36:34–38:54]

• Working with power play coach Steve Spot, improvements in predictability and chemistry.
• Geekie discusses fitting into Boston sports culture and the city’s passionate fanbase.

5. Broader NHL Storylines

[41:44–54:54]

• Quinn Hughes trade rumors: Debate over the Canucks’ next moves, possible destinations (Devils, Red Wings, Flyers).
  • “People think I’m being sarcastic. I feel brutal for Canucks fans.” (Whitney, 55:23)
• Philadelphia and Detroit as dark horses due to need and assets; New Jersey an odds-on favorite due to family ties.
  • Plenty of speculation about asset returns, contract implications, and roster fits from hosts and the CHAT.

6. Hand Pass Review & NHL Rule Frustrations

[66:14–73:21]

• Detailed breakdown of two controversial hand pass calls—exasperation with consistency, use of replay, and the impact of rules on game flow.
  • “If a puck gets shot at a guy and he puts his hand up and it hits his hand and it’s still going, that’s not a hand pass. That’s not how that works.” (Keith, 70:22)
• Classic Dean Evason sound bite: “The game was a joke. That’s what I count it to.” (69:32)
• The coaching therapy session: empathizing with NHL bench bosses dealing with rules chaos.

7. Ken Reid Segment: Scouting, Old School Stories, & Team Canada

[78:06–88:27]

• Reid argues for eliminating instant replay, bringing back human error, and restoring hockey’s old-school authenticity.
  • “Let’s put the genie back in the bottle. Get rid of instant replay.” (Reid, 79:08)
• On Team Canada: Tom Wilson’s snub would be a crime; Bedard’s case for a spot; stories about how players “earn” their Olympic stripes.
  • “He’s literally done everything that you could do as a hockey player to solidify himself a spot…Tom Wilson’s team.” (Keith, 83:27)
  • “Just bring Bedard for your power play… it’s so Hockey Canada.” (Reid, 84:55)
• Parallels drawn between Jerome Iginla’s late invite in 2002 and Morgan Geekie’s current breakout.

8. NHL Big Picture: Oilers, Avalanche & Hot Teams

[88:27–92:20]

• Hosts put Edmonton’s seasonal runs in perspective, noting the usual streaky rise after a slow start.
  • “You don’t win a cup in… Look as what they say you can miss the playoffs in October and November but you can’t make it.” (Reid, 89:18)
• The centrality of Bouchard’s play to the Oilers’ success.
• Blunt judgements on Winnipeg and Toronto: “Their high-end window’s closed, I think.” (Reid, 92:20)
• Enthusiastic appreciation for the Avalanche and McKinnon’s current dominance.

9. Scouting Tales with Ken Reid

[101:21–120:21]

• Reid unpacks stories from his new books ("Hometown Hockey Heroes" and "Scouting"):
  • Wild scouting tales—jailbreaks, psychologists-turned-scouts, missing the NHL draft because of confusion with the Vietnam draft.
  • The art and joy of unearthing “diamond in the rough” players—e.g., Tutu, Antoine Roussel, Jared Smithson.
  • Scouting bias versus actual NHL outcomes (“Anyone can find the top ten, it’s about seeing what isn’t obvious.”).

10. Closing Banter & Recommendations

[120:21–End]

• Tales of Whitney’s mom’s crush on Jody Shelley and Halifax minor hockey hijinks.
• Discussion on pairing lines in the NHL—why don’t teams put their best offensive players together more often?
• Wrap with a shoutout to Macklin Celebrini’s historic production; pitch for upcoming interviews and YouTube content.
• Classic irreverent conclusions: ad read fumbles, “dick paradise” jokes, and movie ideas about NHL scouts.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

- On Parenting:

• “He turns, buddy, he puked directly in my face.” (Whitney, 06:24)

- On Doubters & NHL Life:

• “I just think people think that we’re not real humans sometimes…I understand it’s all a joke…But I’m where I am, and they’re where they are.” (Morgan Geekie, 28:43)

- On Team Canada Snubs:

• “If Wilson is not on the team, he’s rooting for Team USA.” (Whitney, about Biz’s loyalty, 83:14)
• “Just bring Bedard for your power play. Your fourth line’s not going to play that much anyway. But that is so Hockey Canada.” (Reid, 85:08)

- On Rulebook Madness:

• “Let’s put the genie back in the bottle. Get rid of instant replay.” (Ken Reid, 79:08)
• “The entire game was a joke.” (Dean Evason, 69:32 – replayed as a clip)

- On the NHL’s Next Trade Earthquake:

• “People think I’m being sarcastic, but I feel brutal for Canucks fans. That sucks, man.” (Whitney, 55:23)

- On Finding NHL Diamonds:

• “Anybody can go to a minor midget game and find Connor Bedard. That’s not difficult. But how do you find Antoine Roussel?...That’s what these guys like.” (Ken Reid, 117:15)

- On Scouting Reports:

• “Superb defenseman…Should’ve never been moved to forward. Could’ve had a 15 year NHL career on the point.” (Scout’s report on Biz, read by Ken Reid, 102:13)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 03:45 — Whitney’s “puked in my face” parenting story
• 14:34–41:43 — Morgan Geekie interview: MLB dreams, NHL rise, Bruins, Team Canada talk
• 41:44–54:54 — Quinn Hughes trade drama and analysis
• 66:14–73:21 — Hand pass rule controversy & coach soundbite
• 78:06–88:27 — Ken Reid on scouting, Olympics, hockey culture
• 101:21–120:21 — Ken Reid’s wildest scouting stories
• 132:40 — Celebrini stats drop & McKinnon/Colorado Avalanche praise

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Additional Highlights

• Bruins fans & Boston energy: Geekie’s humility in fan interactions and fitting into the city's passionate sports culture.
• Rule Frustration: Strong calls from all hosts for major overhaul or elimination of the NHL’s current video replay approach.
• Scouting “War Stories”: Tales of road warrior scouts, non-traditional discoveries, and the joy of hockey’s grassroots.

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Tone & Style

The episode is laced with irreverent humor, authentic candor, and a camaraderie that blends deep hockey IQ with wild storytelling. Guests are treated like family, banter is relentless, and the show oscillates easily from locker room laughter to sharp, inside-the-game commentary. Expect digressions, raw language, and an unapologetically “Chiclets” filter on the biggest issues in hockey.

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Listen for: Behind-the-scenes NHL locker room tales, the reality of parenting, what makes a player a “mutt” worth betting on, and why a forced smile at a minor-league rink might just be the key to the next NHL Cinderella story.

Transcript

[Reader]

Hey, Spit and Chiclets listeners. You can find every episode on Apple podcasts, Spotify or YouTube Prime. Members can listen ad free on Amazon Music.

[Biz]

Me and Ryan have been officially welcomed.

[Reader]

To the jungle that is barstool sports.

[Keith]

I brought it toward the coyotes and I asked them if it was okay if I joined the Spit Chickens podcast full time.

[Whitney]

Ryan Whitney got a pink Whitney out there now.

The song man.

Is a full time member Marley just got from Chris B. Whoa.

[Biz]

We're buzzing right now.

[Whitney]

What is up, folks? Welcome to episode 603 of the Spit Chickens podcast. Little earlier today, noon Eastern Monday, December 8th. What a beautiful day it is right now. And what a beautiful drink, Pink Whitney. As you guys know. And you know what, even if you're not beautiful, you probably look way more beautiful to people when you drink Pink Whitney.

[Biz]

True.

[Whitney]

Or if you have a bunch of pink Whitney, things will look very beautiful to you. Biz, you know it's true. We have a bunch of it. Everyone's beautiful.

[Keith]

I'm always handing it out. I'm trying to go from a six to an eight. Good night, Jim.

[Whitney]

Exactly. So shout out pink Whitney. I had a little pink Whitney this weekend. I was, I was with the kids all, all weekend long. It was a blast. Boys weekend. I just kept yelling boys weekend. I must have yelled boys weekend 150 times. They were like, can you stop?

Yeah, we'll get into the 6, 7 thing in a little bit. But shout out pink Whitney. Shout out, you guys. Shout out everyone. Everyone who's ever had or taken their shot with pink Whitney. So we love them and we appreciate them. Guys, what is going on? Biz, I know you're in welland. That's exciting back home.

[Keith]

Davenport, I'm gonna take, I'm gonna take your USA jersey and I'm gonna double it up. Can you see those? Witty.

[Whitney]

Except those are his. I knew you played you under 18 gold medalist. What's the other one?

[Keith]

I played two under 18s. I did this the summer one before the season starts. That's not the, the world championship. And then when the season ends, if you're a junior team or I don't, I don't know if, if we had any college guys. God, that's a kind of stumping myself here. But if you were beat out in the first round of of CHL playoffs, you were able to go overseas and attend the world championship. So you can see that they both have gold medals. The one I was talking about was.

[Whitney]

When one has an A too.

[Keith]

The one had an A on it. Not A big deal.

[Biz]

Who was on that team?

[Keith]

Excuse me. Sorry. Then the other one is from under 17 when I. I represented Team Ontario. And that's when I got a letter on my jersey. The other one must be in there. Or maybe I sold it on ebay. So I'm not really sure where the other one is, but I actually have my Calder cup one in there. They were.

[Whitney]

They.

[Keith]

My parents moved my first ever game sheet when I played for the Pittsburgh Penguins from above the toilet. And they were kind enough to put it in my bedroom now. So that was a nice little transition. So great seeing the folks. I had a pretty. Pretty eventful week, boys. I mean, obviously I saw you guys on Thursday. That was awesome.

[Biz]

Two months ago.

[Whitney]

Yeah, that was. That was a year ago.

[Keith]

That was a year ago.

[Whitney]

That was a great night, though.

[Keith]

Oh, I had so much fun snapping around with you guys. Some great games, big leafs, when you guys were all over me about that save on wall. And then I got to do hockey night in Canada with the crew. What you guys were all over me about saying that was a good save. Although we pulled.

[Whitney]

No, you said that save on wall. Wall made the save, but I was just kind of tripping. Hey, I know English is not your first language.

[Keith]

I understand.

Was a great hear about your boys weekend.

[Reader]

It was.

[Biz]

Yeah. Seriously, That's a grind, dude.

[Morgan Geeky]

That's.

[Biz]

That's. That's way worse than playing a AHL back to. It's Saturday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.

[Whitney]

And I'll also tell everyone out there and I. I've argued with people before about this. Being a stay at home parent is way harder than working now. Probably not if you're manual labor working right. If you're out there laying brick, if you're on the oil rigs, like, I'm not saying that. I'm talking like the go in and sit at a desk and talk to people and go for your 45 minute lunch break. Like watching. Way harder. Way harder. But what happened was.

The stomach bug is. Is running wild through, I think everywhere right now. And I actually saw like a week ago, maybe 10 days ago, something. Is it the Novo virus, Novu virus or something? That's like a stomach bug. I'm probably messing it up. There's something like that. Excuse me.

[Keith]

I said the nano banana. Nano banana.

[Whitney]

What is that?

[Keith]

I don't know. I've been hearing it going around lately.

[Whitney]

Okay, fair enough. Fair enough.

Now I didn't. I wasn't told. My wife didn't tell me that when we were at beautiful Secaucus, New Jersey For a coast to coast, Amazon prime, phenomenal night. That morning I left, Cal puked. He puked everywhere a couple times. And I wasn't told that because later on she told me, I know you're such a mental. You would have basically convinced yourself that you were gonna get sick. So I didn't even want you to veteran. I didn't even want you to know. So I didn't know anything. And I had. Wyatt. Wyatt's been sleepwalking lately. He sleepwalks a lot. It's very random. About three hours after he goes to bed, he wakes up and just comes downstairs and is just talking, but he's not awake. Like he. He's completely. Now granted, he's awake, but he's not. He's sleepwalking.

[Reader]

Right, right.

[Whitney]

Talking.

[Keith]

He would remember walking downstairs.

[Whitney]

No, no, no, no, no, no. And he's just talking about.

[Keith]

And try to like. Like, what do you do when he does that?

[Whitney]

I just like kind of pick him up and then put him back into bed because I'm like, I don't even. Maybe you're not supposed to wake him up. Maybe you're supposed to. I don't know. I'm just going by the seat of my pants here. Right. So that night I put him in my bed. You know, breeze away. I'm like, all right, well, we got a big old bed, you know, the shack bed, the old California. And so I. It's about 2:30 and I wake up to.

And he is on his knees and he's puking everywhere. He's puking and then I'm like, whoa, why? And he turns, buddy, he puked directly in my face.

[Keith]

No, my mouth.

[Whitney]

But a projectile vomit buried me in the face like Joe Pavelski did with the right hand hook. I was covered.

[Biz]

Did you. Did you were soft key him.

[Reader]

I.

[Keith]

See.

[Whitney]

How waivers? No, no.

[Keith]

Shower.

[Whitney]

I'm in the shower. I basically puked from the puke in my mouth. So I like his puke. And I. I was. I was like, this is. This is maybe the grossest thing that's. Remember I. I touched the toilet on the plane with my nose when I was puking. I think that was last year. This one was way worse.

[G]

Way worse.

[Whitney]

Oh yeah, there I am. There I am. Add some puke to his face.

[Biz]

Memesy, please.

[Keith]

Yeah, people who listen to the pod, they miss out on a lot because of the YouTube. We got a picture of Witty daycare up there just getting puked on.

[Whitney]

Hey now, in fairness, I haven't. I haven't. And then Brie got it. Brie got it while she was away. I haven't got it yet, though. I think I might be an absolute animal. Just. Just an iron man of not getting the. The noble banana. Banana.

[Keith]

Later today.

[Biz]

It was the pink Whitney. The pink Whitney that you had killed it.

[Whitney]

I think that's true. And made me look better to some people who were also drinking it. So it's a win. Win. But just incredible to be right in the middle of the night, just a. Just an enormous vomit right in your mouth. One of the grossest things that'll ever happen to me. But it was something that I'll never forget. Never forget.

[Keith]

I think it bumps it down a notch that it was your own kid.

[Whitney]

Like, imagine, oh, 100 because I felt so bad or something. Oh, that's a. That's a regular person. We're going, like, I'm going them to the death. Yeah, you have to. You have.

[Keith]

I think the worst. I think the worst possible thing would be like having, like, a homeless guy, like, throw in your face and, like, it got in your mouth like that, to me would be the biggest. Biggest nightmare going, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Ahead of puke, right?

[Whitney]

Yeah, yeah, I think you're gonna make me puke.

[Keith]

But just watch this. I mean, you said that story, and I'm thinking, what could possibly be worse than that? And that was the only thing I could think of off the top of my head. But, wow, man. I mean, that is just like, what was when. When it happened. Like, how long were you stalled there for where you were like that? Like, is this a dream? Am I in a dream?

[Whitney]

Well, I was kind of, like half asleep as I woke up to him puking. But then when. You know, when it buries you in the face, it's.

[Reader]

It's a.

[Biz]

It's a.

[Whitney]

It's a shot of adrenaline, let's say that. And I was up and I was up, but he was so upset that.

[G]

Right?

[Whitney]

Like, I'm just like dad of the year in this thing. Like, you know, it was like. It was like spitting blood out in the middle of a boxing match as you're just trying to keep things going and. And stay in the middle of the fight, right? And just chuck them in the shower of a lion.

[Reader]

And.

[Whitney]

And you know what? If he hadn't slept?

[Reader]

Walk.

[Whitney]

He's doing that in his room, and him and Ryder share a room. That could have been a disaster. Then Ryder would have woke up. So it actually was a blessing in disguise that he was in my bed.

[Biz]

So isn't it amazing?

[Whitney]

In the bed. So then I'm making the bed after. I. I've never. I've never made our bed. Not one time. I'm not buddy. I was trying to get.

[Keith]

I have to do both. Like, I have to be the man and the woman in my household. Right. Because I have. I. I have to do all the chores because the other one left and took the dog. I was gonna go back to. You said it was Ryder who was sleepwalking. That's why it. Does he ever just like, go, like, hose in a closet and stuff? Because I've no buddies who sleepwalk a little bit and they go like, remember Stephen Dixon?

[Whitney]

Yeah.

[G]

He.

[Keith]

He used to just, like, wake up in the middle of night and like, open his closet and hoses in his own closet. That was something that he would do maybe when he had a. But, like. But like in a sleep walking state. So that's good that he's not hosing all over the house. What does he do? Does he go down, like, grab snacks out of the.

[Whitney]

No, he just comes down and, like, sits in the bottom of the stairs and it's like talking to me. But I know based on what he's talking about.

[Biz]

He's like Dale Doback that he's asleep.

[Whitney]

Yeah, he's different. That must have been step brothers. And I'm Will Ferrell.

[Biz]

Literally. Hey, isn't it amazing? I'm sure every person with kids has, like, a puking story like that, but a kid's awareness of where a toilet is when they have to puke is zero. Like, there's no chance it's going in the toilet. They could be three inches away from it. They turn the other way and puke.

[Morgan Geeky]

It's.

[Biz]

It's bad.

[Whitney]

Yeah. And like, I give, you know, the buddy bucket. Like that day he just laid down all day, he put the buddy bucket right there. If he had puked again, I mean. Yeah, there's no chance it's going in that bucket. It's there, but it's. It's all. It's like. It's like a Christmas tree. It's just a different decoration.

[Biz]

You're the bounty bucket in the kitchen.

[Keith]

If they're in the kitchen, there's tile floor. They'll run over to the carpet area to make sure.

[Whitney]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Keith]

100%.

[Whitney]

Of course.

[Reader]

Of course.

[Keith]

Oh, yeah, the couch cushions, those look nice.

[Biz]

Like you were just on the toilet.

[Keith]

Now that's the negative component to the whole daddy daycare this weekend. What were the part. What were the highlights? Were there any.

[Whitney]

It's the best. It's the best we got.

[Morgan Geeky]

We get.

[Whitney]

We built the fort in the basement. Run around the fort. We got these like Nerf like bow and arrow things. You're just at war like on like screaming freedom with the Nerf guns. Then we got like the hockey room and Cal's into the hockey, but he makes me wear the Maple Leafs goalie mask. Yup, it's a Maple Leafs goalie mat. So granted, I'm just. I'm just getting lit up. I'm getting the sunburn and then. And then we also what we do outside. We were ripping it outside even though it's a little cold. Yeah, that's great. But Yoshi looks different than that dog. I really like that graphic. Guys, that's AI. No more AI. We're done with AI. We don't want that.

[Reader]

No, we're not.

[Keith]

We're all my life savings in AI.

We're never.

[Whitney]

Every dollar he's ever made put in Nvidia.

[Morgan Geeky]

It's gonna.

[Keith]

By the way, we have the page sporanic one coming out and this thing will be. You're gonna see her AI boobs busted out of the screen. We're gonna have everything AI in that one, boys.

We might lose half our subscribers on YouTube but we are going to be jam packed and loaded.

[Biz]

We'll gain some creeps.

[Keith]

Oh, yeah, yeah. The incels will be flooding. Flooding our mentions.

[Whitney]

Well, there are 50 guys that are members at that country club that are gonna be in a little bit of trouble, I believe when this thing comes out with their wives. Talk about creeps.

[Biz]

Jesus Christ.

[Whitney]

Put the Rangefinders away, guys. You ever seen a woman before? Teaser, teaser central. That's Wednesday at 2:00'.

[Keith]

Clock.

[Whitney]

That is Wednesday, 2:00 Eastern. Can't wait for that. G was just at Boston University, my alma mater. They split with UVM this weekend. Not great, but they won the night. G was there and he says the video came out great. Sat down with Mikey Ruzioni. Sat down with Jay Pandolfo. Got a beautiful look at a gana Serena. Look at Ruzioni, 1980 Olympic hero. The biggest goal in USA Hockey history, many say. And look at Canada just.

[Reader]

Yeah.

[Whitney]

Till this year. Till this year. Biz. Hockey night in Canada. Wow. Yeah, that top of that.

[Keith]

That was awesome.

[Whitney]

Hockey night Canada biz. I love the battle with the Canadiens fans. Really going back and forth with them, huh?

[Keith]

It does not take much. I just said like because sometimes you get jammed up on. On. On how long your segment's going to be. So they said, hey, we're just going to have. Because Elliot was dropping a bunch of news, which we'll get to like. Elliot dropped a bomb. He, he, he stuck a dagger in the hearts of Canucks fans on that broadcast during the second intermission the other night. So when that happens and he drops that information, we only get about 15 seconds. So I said, you know what, I don't want to say I'm bored, but I kind of want to stir it up a little bit, get the, you know, get the Leafs fans engaged. You know, it's one nothing. We're still in this game. So I said, we're gonna come back in this one and we're gonna be drinking the Habs fan salty tears when we come back and win this. In the third period. They tied. It went to overtime. Wasn't the result we wanted, but oh, man, did they come attacking on social media.

[Biz]

Hate to interrupt this your Leafs talk, but I got a little surprise for the boys.

Let's bring them on in. Morgan.

[Whitney]

Wow. What's up, fellas?

Morgan geeky, the hottest NHL scorer besides Nathan McKinnon, but he doesn't count. He's an alien. What is going on? Buddy, how you doing?

[G]

Not much.

[Morgan Geeky]

Guys, thanks for having me on.

[Whitney]

I can't believe you're on, but I just saw this today on Twitter, so I'm gonna forget the goal scoring, forget the sniping, the baseball glove gifts that you gave to your teammates. What an unreal idea. And shout out to, can we get that? That picture goes so hard. So you just, you always loved baseball and like, this was your passion as a young kid, even more than hockey?

[Morgan Geeky]

I did, yeah. I mean, I was like 13 in that picture. I was not very old and I had way more hair then. But no, I loved it. I mean, my dad made us play baseball all the time growing up. And my middle brother, so Connor's in the Tampa Bay system, and then my middle brother played college, so he was the only one of us three to. To make it in baseball. And I don't know, I. I feel like when guys sign a long term deal, sometimes they do like the dinner or, or something else. I've seen a few gifts before, so I just try to get something that, you know, I enjoyed and I thought they were sick. I was like, I bought one first and I was like, oh, these are sweet. My. It was actually my wife's idea. So it all worked out.

[Biz]

It was good.

[Keith]

Do you, do you got. Instead of maybe playing soccer before the games, you guys just think you'll start tossing the ball around.

[Whitney]

We.

[Morgan Geeky]

We have before, actually. Yeah, Low ride. Me and Mason have thrown it a bit, so we got that. We got the football, so all kinds of sports. Before the game.

[Keith]

Was I reading that you, you actually, you tried out like before you ended up like, really, really committing to hockey, where around like 18 or 19, you tried to go the baseball route? Were you hoping to get like a scholarship in the States? Like, what was your, your hopeful end game in baseball?

[Morgan Geeky]

Yeah, so I, I mean, the WHL draft is like stupid early. Like it's a year before you can actually play, which I still don't know why they haven't changed yet. But I skipped my first year Tri City Americans camp to go see if I could get a scholarship for baseball. I went to like nationals in, in Vaughan, Ontario. And it was like we did very, we did really well. I played really well and was like, didn't get anything from that after I thought maybe I would and after that I kind of just stuck to hockey and turned out all right. But that was definitely my first love was baseball for sure.

[Keith]

Wayne was a huge, huge baseball guy. He said the minute that the, the season would end, he'd put his hockey bag in the basement and it was all baseball. Do you feel like that's helped you? I mean, I see the way that you tip pucks in the slots. Like it's had to have helped with your hand eye.

[Morgan Geeky]

Yeah, I think so. I think my dad too is like a big. As soon as like March or April hit. I mean, I played on like a natural ice rink growing up, so it's like once winter was over, like that was it for hockey. Didn't really have a choice. And baseball was what we kind of did all summer. And me and my brother's in the backyard, so I definitely think that kids nowadays play way too much hockey growing up. So, I mean, for me, I think playing baseball, I mean, we played everything, but for sure, baseball was something that I, we took a lot of pride in as a family, for sure.

[Biz]

Unreal. Morgan this last year, obviously having 30 plus goals. And then this year, like, I just remember Pasta saying, this Guy can score 50 goals, like he needs to. Was that something for you where you needed to hear somebody else say it, especially a guy like Pasta when he's saying it, like to get that confidence because the way you're going right now, 50 looks like it's going to happen pretty easily.

[Morgan Geeky]

Yeah, I mean, I, I don't know. When he said it, I was kind of like, dude, that's pretty lofty goals.

I mean. Yeah, I don't know.

[Keith]

They don't pay me enough to get 50.

[Morgan Geeky]

Yeah, I could have signed a one year deal.

But no, I mean it's, it's obviously great. I mean he does stuff on the ice that like you think he's in a different league. He's like a part of those guys that's just like, you don't belong out there with him sometimes. So for me it's just. Yeah, I don't know, it means a lot. But I didn't really come into the league like trying to score goals and it just seems like everything's going in right now, so we'll see how long it lasts. But yeah, I obviously appreciate it a.

[Keith]

Ton when it comes to goals. Like even like Sweeney was talking about, like when they, when they ended up trading for you, it was your release. And I was actually reading something about how when you were growing up you used to play with these heavy wood Sherwood sticks. I forget the, the name of the stick specifically, but that helped a lot with your like not only your release, but you're like forearm strike where. I mean you're carrying around these two by fours back then probably because the, the one pieces and stuff were too expensive.

[Morgan Geeky]

Yeah. So my dad played in like the Allen Cup. I mean it used to be a big thing, at least where we were and they used to have a team. It was like Il the Shane, which I actually don't know where it is, but my dad played on it. They went to Japan after they won the Allen cup and he used to play with Pat Falloon. He was like first round, first pick ever I think to San Jose. So they, they knew each other all growing up and like played against and with each other. And my dad's a lefty and I'm a righty, so he had like no sticks. And obviously anybody's dad is trying to look for best bang for your buck. So whenever Patty would just break a stick, he would just cut it down like to mite height and then I would use it and he had like the, the old stall curve. So it's basically just like a straight stick and. Or might be the Drury, I guess same thing. But yeah, I use those like all growing up. And then I didn't get my first like real composite stick till probably I was like 12 or 13. So I use wood ones forever. Like my dad would just go to the hardware store, buy 10 sticks for 60 bucks and that was it. Except for the floor.

[Keith]

Were kids on the ice like maybe Chirping you a little bit. Like, were the. Were you the only guy using a big wood one?

[Morgan Geeky]

Yeah, it was. I was like. There was two rural kids, like, from outside the city that played on, like, the brick team. It was me and my buddy, and I was the only kid that had the wood stick. And everybody else had, like, the sick Reebok. I think it was the Easton. The Easton synergy, like the Z bubble. All those. They're unbelievable. I'm, like, asking my dad, like, can I get one of these things? He's like, no, sir. So I stuck with my wood one. So I took a. Took some heat for it. But it's all right.

[Whitney]

You said that. You said, like, I. We'll see how long this lasts. But at this point, it's quite evident you could score goals, right? Like, somebody could have said that last year at some point, but even with pasta, you've continued to do it, and it was Carolina who put in the expansion draft. Seattle takes you, and they give up on you. What do you think?

[Reader]

Change?

[Whitney]

Is it something as simple as, like, opportunity, or is there something that was very particular with you? I know, actually. Is it Sigalette that you work with? He coaches in the same youth program as me, the boss, you terror. Is it in terms of your skills? Has that been a big thing?

[Morgan Geeky]

It's been huge. Yeah. I started working with Sigs my second year in Seattle. I think just by happenstance, I kind of got connected with him through another buddy. And, I mean, he's done worlds for me, like, just trying to see the game a little differently. And, I mean, everybody has a skills guy now. But it was tough. I mean, there I was playing like, eight, ten minutes a night, and you're just trying to look for ways to stay in the lineup. So, I mean, our clips are a little different now that I get to see, but, I mean, he was a huge help. I think opportunity was big. I mean, that was one of the reasons I came to Boston, you know, I mean, it was the best team in the regular season there the year before I got here. And then to have, you know, Monty and Bergie and, like, just the alumni and the coaching staff that they had here is one of the reasons I came. And then I think my role grew the first year that I was here, and it's just kind of slowly grown. So I think opportunity is big. I mean, you see a lot of guys that are super skilled that just don't get an opportunity. So I think it's just, like, trying to seize that as best you can.

[Keith]

Boys, cigarette? Is it the guy who. Who played defense in the Bruin system at one point?

[Morgan Geeky]

Yeah. Okay. He got one game. Yeah.

[Keith]

Okay, so he. So he turned into a skills coach, Is he. Where is he now?

[Morgan Geeky]

He's here. He's in Walpole. Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt.

[Keith]

Oh, no, no. No worries. I did, because I actually worked with his brother when I was getting work worked on on my neck. Because he lives out in bc, doesn't he?

[Morgan Geeky]

Yeah, he's unreal.

[Keith]

Yeah, I believe. Yeah, I believe he was. He helped Crosby out when he was having all his concussions, so I didn't realize. His brother turned into a skills coach. That's awesome.

[Biz]

Now, Morgan, you talked about, you know, just getting that opportunity. Are you having those conversations with your brother as well? Because he's a guy. He's been up and down, and you're just looking at. He looks like an NHL player, right? Like, the way he skates around. He's got a big shot like you. But is. Are those conversations you're having with him, or are you trying to let him figure it out himself?

[Morgan Geeky]

I mean, a little bit of both. I mean, he definitely looks a part. He's got the tint advisor and the turtleneck and the back swaggy dude. Yeah, he is. It's crazy. So I hear about him a lot, but he's good. I mean, I think he's kind of got to figure it out in his own. And I think there's, like, obviously, when you get sent down, I'll send him a text and stuff like that, but he's a lot younger than I was at the time, so, I mean, there's still a lot of Runway. And I think that he's playing. I think it's better to just play a ton in the AHL than try to grind it out. And it's tough in the NHL. Like, I mean, you guys have said it before, I'm sure, but it's not a developmental league. Like, you come up here, you're expected to produce, and, you know, if they're just gonna play you eight minutes a night, it's. It's tough to be impactful, especially when that's not what you're used to. And I just try to, you know, try to let him pave his own way and stay out of his way most times. So we talk a lot, but just not. Not really about hockey.

[Whitney]

It's been a pretty exciting year for the Bruins, and. And I'll. I'll tell you, before the year I'm like, yeah, they're horrible. They're. They're going to be a lottery team. And. And I know for a fact it was. It was probably something you guys were hearing, right? Like, the expectations weren't high. But what was the message in the room we've showed one clip of. Oh, my God. Why am I blanking on your Coach Sturm giving you guys the business a little bit in the locker room at one point early in the year. But what has been, like, the Overall message and McAvoy's out and pasta's out, and it's been an impressive run so far with. For a team that the expectations really weren't there.

[Morgan Geeky]

Yeah. And, I mean, it's tough, especially last year, just the way that it ended. I mean, we kind of got rid of Marshy. I mean, legend lives on here, but nice. It's. It's good. I mean, we got rid of Marshy Brando and. And Seize and Freddie and all those guys. So it's like we kind of had nowhere else to go but up, I think. And. And we definitely underperformed, I think, to our expectations, at least with the group we have. And with guys like Chuck and Pasta and Sway, like, it's tough not to have a good team with that core group of guys. And I think Marco came in, and right away it was just. You could tell that the flip kind of. Or a switch kind of flipped, and we had a little bit of a learning curve. Obviously, the system in Boston's been what it is for the last 20, 20 years, and he made some changes, and there was, you know, we started off a little slow and won a few in a row, but it's. It's good, I think, for us as a team. Like, we're just trying to get back to playing Bruins hockey. I think we've got away from it the last year and just being hard to play against. I mean, that. Our third and fourth lines. I'm glad I'm on this team and not the other team. So it's.

[Biz]

It's good.

[Keith]

Oh, because you guys got a bunch of mutants in your roster.

[Morgan Geeky]

Dude, you should casty like Castellic, you know, Z. Dude, it's insane how, like, you go into the living room, embarrassing.

[Keith]

Z's got to be the biggest character in the locker room.

[Biz]

He's a sound bite.

[Morgan Geeky]

He is. He's the best. We try to tell him.

[Whitney]

Sorry, sorry. He hit the fastest a defenseman in the NHL has skated this year. The other day or recently, I believe, and. And he's, like, going 23 miles an hour. I saw some clip of it. Now maybe that's changed. I'm imagining. But I chirped his skating one time, and I think he told Grinnell, he tell Whitney shut his mouth, that I'll shut it for him, that I can move out there.

[Morgan Geeky]

Dude, you should see him. I mean, when he gets going up the ice, a couple guys start yelling Bobby for Bobby Orr. And dude, it's crazy. Starts spinning around, starts feeling himself a little bit. But he's the best. I mean, he can fly. And he's been awesome for us, especially with. With Chuck out and stuff. So he's an anchor back there. But he's. He's great. He's all time.

[Keith]

I feel terrible for Chucky with.

[Biz]

I told these guys because I used to.

[Keith]

Oh, go ahead, Yance.

[Biz]

No, I was just saying about Z. Like, I was telling these guys because I used to skate with him. He lives in Florida in the summertime, and he has insane skill, especially for how big he is. And I'm glad he's, like, putting it even. Last game, he had a couple plays by the net. He goes to his backhand. Like, he is super skilled for a mutant.

[Morgan Geeky]

Yeah, he's really good. It's. You wouldn't expect it, but I mean, he gets a puck on a stick every once in a while, and he can definitely make some plays.

[Keith]

That. That Chucky video of him getting that puck in the mouth, I thought it was AI when I first saw it. It was so brutal. I mean, I think I read that he's lost 20 pounds so far. Like, I mean, that's just a devastating loss for you guys. But how. How is his spirits around the locker room now? He's a little bit more back in the mix.

[Morgan Geeky]

Oh, that's huge. I mean, I'm sure you guys know him, but he's, like, super happy. Go. Lucky guy. He's great to be around all the time, and obviously the kind of player he is, that. That sucks. But, I mean, we felt for him, like, as a person. I mean, you don't want to see that happen to anybody in the league, let alone one of your. One of your best friends, your teammates. So it's great. I mean, we've seen him back. He's back on the ice with us and joking around. He's got the. The all American bubble back, so he's kind of feeling himself. Thinks he's back at bu but it's good.

[Reader]

We're.

[Morgan Geeky]

We're happy to have him back.

[Whitney]

How about, like, I'm reading right now. That I think close to a year ago, a fan tweeted you that you should be cut. And you, you wrote, damn, bro, tell me how you really feel. And you have the most goals in the NHL. Since then, like you just did. You have enough of the trolls coming at you.

[Biz]

Buy him a glove.

[Morgan Geeky]

Yeah.

[G]

Yeah.

[Morgan Geeky]

I mean, I don't know. Everybody has an opinion on Twitter, and it's like, I think they feel like we're untouchable sometimes, so they can say whatever they want. And I mean, I'm sure the guy probably loves it because it, I think it went pretty viral after I did it, but, I mean. Yeah, I don't know. I just think people think that we're not real human sometimes, I think, and we don't see that stuff. And for me, it's like, I understand it's all a joke completely. And I'm where I am. And they were there. They are where they are. But, I mean, it's just, it's all fun. I mean, I watch biz go at it with people on Twitter all the time, so it's, it's entertaining, to say the least.

[Whitney]

Yeah, but you don't see him crying in his bedroom when it's all done.

[Keith]

Yeah, that too. That too. Just sucking my thumb. But they were.

[Whitney]

Do you ever think about not checking it, though? Do you ever think about just, hey, like, maybe I just don't read this because I know some athletes like being on it and active, and some are like, I can't really. Keith, never read anything because I can't read.

[Morgan Geeky]

I mean, some days, I mean, kind of just depends what kind of mood I'm in, I think. Yeah.

[Whitney]

Oh, yeah.

[Morgan Geeky]

This one is crazy.

[Whitney]

I remember that.

[Morgan Geeky]

That was already monster hit, but, yeah, I mean, it's just like one of those things that I don't know if you're on Twitter. I feel like with like the algorithm or whatever it is now, you see stuff and you don't want to see it anyway, so you're kind of just faced you face to.

[G]

Yeah.

[Morgan Geeky]

You're forced to face it. So, I mean, it is what it is. Obviously you have a tough game, try to stay away, but yeah, it's all in good fun.

[Keith]

I was just going to ask you about, considering you're a huge baseball guy, you must have been all over that Blue Jays run.

[Biz]

Oh, dude, Red Sox.

[Morgan Geeky]

I mean, yeah. Say Red Sox. Yeah, I, I, we went to a Red Sox game. I mean, best case was the Red Sox beat the Yankees. And we were, I was going for sure.

But I mean, dude, they had so many chances to win that series. Like, it was just, like, tough to watch. Like, as a Canadian, it's crazy what. What the Blue Jays do, like, as a country for Canada. But, I mean, yeah, I watched every inning, every game. It was. It was so fun. But hopefully we'll be back, be back next year.

[Whitney]

You signed the day before free agency, right? Was it June? I mean, June 30th. So how do you decide? Like, hey, I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna go into tomorrow and see what happens. And I love Boston. Is that kind of maybe what it came down to? Like, because there were rumblings for a while, like, how have they not signed him? It was confusing to everyone, and then, boom, it got done. And you obviously have the man where that runs the NHL, Judd Moldaver. So kind of take me through the signing of the contract and. And figuring out that you wanted to be a Bruin for a long time.

[Morgan Geeky]

Yeah, I mean, it kind of went. It felt like it took a long time. We talked a little bit, honestly, the. Before the season started, and then as the year progressed, obviously I didn't start very well, and the team didn't get off to a very good start, and we had a coaching change, so I think it kind of just took a back seat. And then things started to pick up for me personally. And then, you know, as the off season went.

It was just one of those things that, like, slowly got done, and, you know, I told Judd that.

That I wanted to be a Bruin. This is where I wanted to be. And that was the main thing for me. I mean, I'm sure you could maybe pick and choose at that point, but for me, it was like, this is where I wanted to be. This is the first place I felt like a part of something. You start to get to know the guys a little better. And as a guy that's been on, you know, three teams before, he's 25, it's tough to. To lay down your roots with. With a family and stuff. So for me, just, you know, six years is a. Is a long time here, and. And obviously, the core group of guys they have is great. So, you know, coaching staff, organization, I can't say enough about. About playing for them. So, yeah, just. Just super happy and happy that it got done here. For sure.

[Keith]

You've. You've made a coup and the rest of the coaching staff's life very difficult. On decision making for Team Canada. How much does that consume your brain? Like, you're. You've scored the Most, most goals in this calendar year in the NHL. Like, do you feel like you've, you've proven that you deserve to be on that team?

[Morgan Geeky]

I don't know. I mean, stats wise, maybe, but like I said, I've said it earlier, like I look at the roster as like a fan and I'm like, holy, these guys are like, whose spot are you going to take? Really? For me, it's like I go up and down and everybody's a world class player and it's just like, yeah, I don't know, I'm a big fan of the, of these guys as everybody else is and like, so for me it's just like, I don't know, I don't really see like I'm not putting a ton of weight on it. You know, obviously it's getting a little, it's getting close to like December whenever they need the rosters in. So I mean, you see it a little bit more now, but I'm not, it's not something that I think about every day and I mean, I'll be just as excited to watch cheer for Canada on my couch somewhere else. But I mean, stoked either way.

[Keith]

If you said, I'll keep promoting you.

[Biz]

Since you're a humble guy, we'll promote you even more. And I think, you know, there's only, you know, two or six guys that can play in your top two lines, right. And you're a guy that has worked his way up to a first liner. You know what it takes to play on the bottom six. So I think it's a no brainer the way that you're scoring. Like, you don't just score goals by accident. So I think it'd be crazy if you weren't on the team. So we will do some, some serious promoting for you if you want us to.

[Morgan Geeky]

No, I mean, I would love that. Thank you guys. It's, I mean, yeah, it's just one of those. I'm sure everybody would, they're doing anything to be on that team. I mean, I'd open doors and fill water bottles to just be on the Canadian team. So, I mean, that's what I did. Everybody would, would say the same, but yeah, however it would be on, however I'd fit, you know, I'd find a.

[Whitney]

Way to make it work if I were you though. And you're so modest. But I would look at it like, man, just the fact that I'm like being mentioned and all of a sudden there's a lot of people saying like, this guy should be on the team. Like, for me, that would be the. The coolest part. Like, because when you leave Seattle, you come to Boston, like, if somebody told you that this was going to happen, a few years later, you'd be like, yeah. Are you smoking? What business? Smoking.

[Morgan Geeky]

I mean, that kind of feels like where I'm at right now. It's just like, I don't. I never expected this. Like, I wasn't.

[Whitney]

I don't know.

[Morgan Geeky]

I never played world juniors. I never. I got one world championship where I opened the door for everybody and drank a ton of beer, and it was so. It was tons of fun. But, I mean, yeah, trust me, like, I appreciate all of it, and it's super humbling to, like, just experience this and to go through this, you know, how whichever way it ends up. And, yeah, like you said, I feel like I've kind of played up and down the lineup and done a little bit of everything, so I just try to help out wherever I could.

[Keith]

I don't know if it's just more recently where you're not getting as many, like, backdoor tappings because Pasta was out of the lineup, but I noticed you've been great at, like, tipping pucks in. Was that something that you've gotten better at, or were you always pretty good at tipping pucks in the slot?

[Morgan Geeky]

I think I kind of just picked it up. I mean, honestly, I've worked a lot more on it this year. Like, Steve spots our power play coach, and every day after practice, he's grabbing us to do stuff like that and just kind of switching things up. Obviously, our power play is doing pretty well this year, but I think we're all pretty interchangeable and. And predictable. But for me, it's like. That's, like, one of those athletic things that I think, like, you either have it or you don't. Like, obviously it's a skill you can work on, but, I mean, Pavelski did it forever, and look at how good of a golfer he is. Like, I mean, all things translate like that. So for me, it's just like, you just got to be an athlete and just try not to overthink it.

[Whitney]

You mentioned Steve Spot.

[Keith]

Was that great guy pumping your own golf game there quickly.

[Morgan Geeky]

No, no, no.

[Keith]

I was just checking.

[Whitney]

Baseball and golf usually don't translate very.

[Morgan Geeky]

Well, but, no, I'm way over the top.

[Whitney]

Yeah, but you mentioned Spotter, who's an awesome guy, and your power. The Bruins power play. It's. It's struggled for a while, and this year it's fifth. And. And, you know, he comes in. That has to be a big part of it. What is he. What is the message he's telling you guys? Like, what has changed with that?

[Morgan Geeky]

I think just be predictable. I mean, we got Chuck and we got, you know, pasta. Two great, you know, skill guys in the power play. And then, you know, I feel like we just have. We have all the tools to be a good power play. And I think at least last year, we were just never on the same page. It's like we'd go try to run something and someone else would be in the wrong spot. And so now it's like, we go in, we have a plan, we understand, everybody knows what you're going to do, and it's like, it's just predictable. I mean, you see that with, like, the other good power plays. Like, Vegas, they've got Stone and Hurdle and Eichel. Like, all these guys know where each other are going to be. So it's like, you try to watch those guys. Same with Dallas. Everybody's got their own kind of skill set. I think for us, you know, we might be a little more meat and potatoes, but I think we have the skill to make plays. And just being able to be on the same page with everyone is huge.

[Biz]

What's it like being in Boston? You know, like, the beginning of your career, you were kind of. I don't want to say, and this is no knock. Like, you weren't who you are now. And, you know, I'm sure walking around Boston.

You'Re getting recognized all these people. I was just talking to my nephew. He's seven years old. I told him we were interviewing. He's like, he's my favorite player. And, like, so, like, people love you, right? Like, how is that as a change? And it must be awesome to, you know, be a part of that.

[Morgan Geeky]

Yeah. I mean, trust me, I came into this league being a nobody, less than a nobody. So I actually had a sick first game. I did have a really good first game, but after that, I mean, yeah, it's super cool. I mean, I've seen it a few times, and it's such a sports town. I mean, you feel it everywhere here. Like, the Pats are good. Celtics won a championship. Celtics are good. I mean, it's just a different city. I mean, you guys all know. But to have, like, you know, walk down the street and, you know, somebody just says, good season, or whatever, how little it may be. It's. It's super cool to be a part of that. And, I mean, New England sports is, like, second to none. I don't think so. It's just super special and glad I can be a part of it for a little while.

[Whitney]

What was your first NHL game? What'd you do?

[Morgan Geeky]

Played pit two and one.

[Whitney]

Oh, what up, Sid? You're like, Canadian Olympic Team 2026, here I come.

[Morgan Geeky]

That was right before COVID That was like the last game before COVID Oh.

[Keith]

And then they shut you down.

[Morgan Geeky]

Shut it down.

[Reader]

Wow.

[Whitney]

That actually really could have mattered with you, right? If that, like, then you take that huge break and they're looking at rosters. That's a kick in the dick. I didn't know that.

[Morgan Geeky]

Yeah, I mean, it could have went. I always looked at it like it could have went either way. I mean, you start out really hot, cool off, and I mean, you can only go down from there. So it's like you give them no choice to look at it like, oh, this kid said three points in his first game might be okay. So.

[Reader]

Yeah.

[Keith]

Do you, do you go back to Manitoba every summer?

[Morgan Geeky]

We actually moved to Calgary, so we. We're out there now. We train. I trained the edge school, it's just, just west of number one of the city. And I go back probably like a couple weeks in the year. My brother got married in Alberta this year, so we didn't get to go back. But normally we go back for a couple, couple weeks in the summer.

[Keith]

Like, what do you, what do you do with your, your off time? Do you like the gas beers? Like, are you.

[Whitney]

Please catch.

[Morgan Geeky]

Love playing. Love playing long toss.

[Whitney]

Yeah.

[Morgan Geeky]

I mean.

I love. My brother actually coaches at the baseball academy there, so I love. We love going to games there and being around that. I love to go to more, but honestly, not a whole lot. We, we just built the house actually outside of Calgary, so that's kept us busy for a couple, couple years now. But yeah, I do, I do enjoy golf. Not very good, but it's. It's fun.

[Keith]

Are you the one making the decisions on like the tile, the faucets, or do you just delegate that? That.

[Morgan Geeky]

No, I did not touch a single option. My wife's like, unbelievable. Yes, exactly.

[Whitney]

If, if you don't make Team Canada, we're hoping you do, what island will you be at for eight days?

[Morgan Geeky]

That's the thing. I have no idea. I've been, We've been looking. I mean, I kind of want to go. I know it's super unexciting, but like up, like to Vermont or Maine. I think it'd be so beautiful like in February. It might be a Little chilly, but just to kind of get away from everything. But it's pretty close to Cabo, too, so who knows?

[Whitney]

Well, Biz, you got anything else for this guy?

[Reader]

No.

[Keith]

This is awesome, dude. Great getting to know you, and congrats on all your success. It's a pleasure watching you. And like Whit said, I think people thought, oh, no, boss is not there anymore. Maybe things will slow down, but you're still going at the same rate. Dude, you're a dog. And I really hope you're able to represent your country and if not, have a fun time in Maine.

[Morgan Geeky]

Awesome. Thank you, guys.

[Whitney]

No, I appreciate it.

[Reader]

All right.

[Whitney]

See you, buddy.

What a guy. Yance, great work.

[Keith]

Great get.

[Whitney]

Yeah.

[Keith]

Holy, man, you look like the sticky bandits coming in there.

[Whitney]

It's kind of crazy that a lot of, you know, kids play other sports, but he actually was like, no, I want to play baseball. Like, he was trying to kind of go.

[Biz]

He.

[Whitney]

He really loved it more than hockey, so it probably worked out. Worked out for the best considering he signed for 33 million this summer.

[Keith]

Yeah.

[Biz]

I think if the Red Sox called him to be a bullpen catcher, he'd. He'd leave the Bruins. That's how much he loves it.

[Keith]

Oh, oh, oh.

[Whitney]

Wouldn't you, though? Bullpen catcher sounds sick. I don't know what they make. Like, backup catcher, I guess, is probably even better.

[Biz]

Yeah.

[Whitney]

Or relief pitcher.

[Keith]

That would be the baseball. If you could be a bat. A bullpen catcher for, like, 20 years, I'm sure there's guys who have done it for that long.

[Biz]

Yeah.

[Whitney]

You. You. You know how you can go see a bullpen catcher live in an action?

[Keith]

No.

[Whitney]

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And it was just like, I was like, oh, my God. Playing in this league went outside Causeway street, people are jumping on the cars. So it was just incredible. That's going to a game and experience something firsthand is, is so special and can create a fan for the rest of you for the rest of their lives. So those are the type of moments game time is celebrating. Go to 12daysofgametime.com today for a chance to experience one of these moments.

[Keith]

And speaking of the God and RA was there yesterday watching the, the Shoresy.

[Whitney]

Ryder skated at intermission.

[Keith]

No way.

[Whitney]

I texted I couldn't go because Bri wasn't back and you know, I'm, I'm dad of the year and, But I texted RA I don't, I was like, hey, my son's skating at one of the intermissions, if you can go find him. And I told, he's like, I know.

[Keith]

He'S smoking a ball with him.

[Whitney]

I told Ryder, I'm like, hey, guy work with is going to be there. His name's RA he's the coach of the Shoresy team. And he's like, why is his name RA? I was like, we'll get into that in a couple years. It's just RA it's just. All right, you could call him Brian, but it's RA don't worry about why he's called ra.

[Keith]

But kids, they had a million questions.

[Whitney]

There was, I think it was 11, 000 people there.

[Keith]

Oh yeah, they draw really well. They're doing like, basically every. Are like the, the main alumni groups. Like they did Toronto. I know they went and did la. So the ones who have really strong alumni associations, they're going to play against them and, and typically, I think they close the upper bowl and they pack the whole lower ball.

[Biz]

Right.

[Keith]

So, yeah, they're doing awesome. And it's a good little thing to, to get out and see all the fans. And of course you get Terry Ryan on the mic and usually every game they have a scrap.

[Whitney]

Like, I think there was a couple different scraps. Yeah, I asked, I asked riders like, because I heard Char was playing, I was like, was Char out there? He's like, yeah, but he, he had to leave the game. He hurt his back, which, I mean, there's a 10 truth to that, because Ryder's just kind of like. But I, I, I have no idea if that happened, but I did see 5s1 dad.

[Keith]

It's like, oh, yeah, we know what that, we know what that is around here.

[Whitney]

These parts biz, you mentioned an Elliot Friedman bomb. And I was watching and, and the City of Vancouver, man, I. I've. I've gone to battle with those people, but, oh, I feel sick for him. I feel sick for him. Elliot mentions that there have been a ton of discussions about Quinn Hughes, including New Jersey calling him. And I think what really set the flames even higher was that when asked about it after Quinn Hughes called Tom Fitzgerald Fitzy, and. And I. I mean, I saw some hilarious tweets, basically like, you're talking about your own GM and contract negotiations. It seems as though the days. The days are numbered. And it's just. It's sickening. For Canucks fans, you get one of the greatest defensemen I've ever seen. You have that run in the second round, game seven, you're up 3, 2 against the Oilers. The team looks great. And now I'm. I think it's fair to say it's only a matter of time till Quinn Hughes is. Is gone.

[Biz]

The. I mean, the only thing that they can hope as Vancouver fans is they get a haul back from which obviously they will, but they need something and they need a.

[Whitney]

You never get. When you trade a guy like that, you never get.

[Biz]

What do you think? What do you think they're asking for from them? Like, I'm.

[Keith]

I'm hearing r. That it's. It's the Leafs. The Leafs are in strong contention to get.

[Reader]

Stop.

[Whitney]

Stop.

[Keith]

What do you mean, stop?

[Whitney]

Are you. Are you just making this up? If you're hearing real rumblings, I'll. I'll talk to you right now. But I feel like you're just make. You're making it up. Making it up is.

[Keith]

We need. We need an offensive defense.

[Whitney]

No, but in fairness, I saw some tweet about Philly being like, well, yeah, that's.

[Keith]

To me, that was probably at the. One of the top of the list.

[Whitney]

Because here's the thing and. And what I saw was said was that Philly believes that they can get him and then kind of flip him, change his mind to have him sign long term there. I don't know the Hughes Hughes brothers at all, but I'm telling every other team, you cannot trade like he's signing in New Jersey. Like, am I crazy if there's no way he's not gonna sign there?

[Keith]

I. I would trade Michkov straight up for. For Quinn Hughes in a second. Do you think that they would take that as a one for one or do you think they're gonna want more?

[Biz]

Because with the uncertainty of him a.

[Keith]

Year and a half left, you know he's not coming back. Would you just rather have Mitchkov on this year on entry level, you got him next year on entry level, and hopefully he turns out to what you'd expect, but with the way that him, you know, he showed up in training camp the way he did, I, I agree with you, Whit. Like, I think that he could be a, you know, maybe a point per game player, but I don't. He doesn't move very well, and that would scare me for.

[Whitney]

Welcome to the Terror Dome.

[Keith]

No, buddy, it's not even that. Like, if anyone with a brain is just watching, like, he does not have a long, fluid stride. He has a choppy stride. And like, that's not what does everybody talk about how you can be an elite player in the league now. You have to be able to skate.

[Whitney]

That's not the only way. That's the only way.

[Keith]

It's not gonna change overnight. Like, it just. I don't know if he's got that hip mobility where he can just. Like, he doesn't look like McKinnon, like a gazelle through the middle of the ice, right?

[Whitney]

You gotta be like, I think he can get. I think he could be a 40, 40 guy. Like, sure. He was the sixth overall pick, right? Like, sure, dude. That is a elite level NHL player. I just mentioned sometimes that he doesn't skate like, you know. Yeah, you say Quinn Hughes. That's. That's a defense. He doesn't skate like, McKinney doesn't skate like McDavid. Like, not everyone does. But there is a difference. Watching him, he's hunched over, incredibly skilled. But in terms of one for one, I think Vancouver still wants more, but Philly's got to be like, if they somehow do this, it's like you could think you can switch him and flip them and make him sign there. There's no way. Maybe Detroit. He would. But I just. How the hell is that guy not going to sign in Jersey when he's able to? Like, his brothers are there.

[Keith]

Yeah, but. But okay, so then. Then the conversation of, is that good for Luke Hughes? Like, why did you just pay Luke Hughes nine and a half million? Like, Luke's been struggling a little bit this year. Hey, still young. Plenty of Runway left. You know, they've. They're. They're the team struggling in general right now. Haven't they lost five in a row?

[Whitney]

So, yeah, like, they can't.

[Keith]

All of a sudden. You just paid this kid who was supposed to be your power.

[Whitney]

All.

[Keith]

All Posh has been doing is going underneath the hood, bringing out the Jergens and the Kleenex and jerking off to his power play analytics. So why don't we get that guy on here to talk about.

[Whitney]

I was gonna say, where is he? He's probably losing it right now. He's gonna look to shoot disheveled.

[Keith]

Why are you shaking your head like that? What's happening to Luke? He ain't gonna be playing on the power play. It's gonna be Quinn's power.

[G]

I'm shaking. I'm shaking my head like that because you're not wrong. And the team's in shambles and I just.

[Biz]

Bravo.

[Whitney]

Wow.

[Keith]

Losing streak to humble.

[Biz]

You're growing up.

[Whitney]

Bravo, Pasha.

[Keith]

Unbelievable.

[Whitney]

And Pasha, like, I. I actually disagree with you biz a little bit because if you're saying if, if, if Quinn Hughes ever becomes the devil, like, why did you sign Luke Hughes to nine and a half? Like, I think if you have an incredible puck movie defense and, and Luke Hughes has had his struggles and he grows into being better defensively and he doesn't run the first power play. You're still loving life. Now maybe him personally, he would be like, oh, I'm never going to be the first power play guy and get 65, 70 points. But you're with your brothers. You're on an incredible team. If that actually happens, I don't think they'd care.

[Keith]

Well, the only bananas is if they're able to get Hamilton off the books, because you can't have.

[G]

Yes.

[Keith]

Quinn, Hamilton and Luke Hughes, they're all making over 8 million. I think two of them would be making nine. Or does Hamilton make nine and a half at this point?

[G]

Yeah, Hamilton makes nine. Yeah, Hamilton, his days are numbered. So I think when he's gone, I don't think it's crazy to have two kind of elite demon like that. You know, you put one of them with Pesci, the other one was Segenthaler.

[Whitney]

And so we got Bouchard and Nurse.

[G]

Wow.

[Biz]

I mean, hey, but what if they're that skilled, which obviously we know they are. Luke and. And Quinn. Why can't they both be on the power play? They used to be 2D on a power play. Quinn is basically a forward. Put him like, remember Niedermeyer back in the day in Anaheim? It was him and Pronger. Nedemyer would just go around the zone wherever the he wanted.

[Reader]

Like, there's no, there's no law that.

[Biz]

You can't have 2D out there.

[Keith]

Yeah. There is Toronto.

[Biz]

Toronto has 0D.

[Reader]

Yeah.

[G]

And I think, like, whatever, like, less opportunity Luke might have because of Quinn arriving is Offset by the fact that his brother is joining the team. So yeah, I think that's kind of a non factor. But like you said, Luke has been struggling. It's kind of been hard to watch.

[Keith]

Okay, what are they giving up here? We got to talk about what, what would New Jersey possibly give up or where Vancouver would entertain the idea of trading that.

[G]

So I, I kind of see both sides where it's like why would they give up the farm when there's a very, very good chance they can sign them for nothing in a year and a half. But then I also see like the time to one is now. Go get them. I see both sides. So that's why I, I have a hard time seeing the Devils topping some other teams offers just because of what I just mentioned. So in terms of what it would take, I really would prefer not to part with Nemetz. Give him five first round picks. I just like the time to win is now. I don't care about first round picks. Give him Casey. Give him two first. Give him that six, seven defenseman silly. Have you know Gritsuk. No, no, not Gritsu. That kid is the real deal.

[Keith]

He's a forever, he's a forever devil that kid.

[G]

If you look at his under the hood numbers, I thought he might come in be a one dimensional like sniper Russian.

[Biz]

Well, you're gonna have to give up something.

[G]

Why? Well, two first Seamus, Casey Silayev. That's, that's a lot right there. No, and I'll even add on top of that. But like just now they gotta keep nitz.

[Whitney]

Do you agree with me that if Detroit or Philly or whoever else gave this ridiculous offer so that they could have him half of this year and all of next year that they're crazy because no matter what he's going to Jersey? Or do you maybe believe there is a thought of him? Do you think there's a thought he could be like no, I'm. I will sign here. I like it. Depending on how it goes, I guess.

[G]

I don't know. Anything's possible and so much can change between now and then. Like who knows. I don't think anything's for sure.

But I think it's worth it for those teams to take a swing on him and, and, and see what happens. I actually like Biz said, I know he made it up completely but I've been saying the Leafs as a team, I could see him going to for quite a while now as a kind of a. Because they, they need a puck booming guy. Do they have the assets without giving up knives. I. I don't know if they do, but, I mean, I think anything could happen. I wouldn't say it's like for sure he's going to Jersey. I would say it's likely. And the thought of that makes me salivate. But I don't think anything's set in stone.

[Whitney]

Detroit's the one that. Detroit's the one that. Like being from Michigan, I guess maybe that and how bad Detroit needs him. Also, shout out cider. Talk about under the hood. I'm seeing that he's one of like the, if not the best, one of the best defensive defenses in the NHL now, so. And then Edmondson, the way he plays like that would be the. The almost the perfect fit. But Quinn Hughes, I really, I. People think I'm being sarcastic. I feel brutal for Canucks fans. That sucks, man.

[G]

What an abomination of a franchise.

[Keith]

Start to rebuild quicker.

[G]

They have so many start the rebuild. Well, they should have started 10 years ago. And what makes you think they're going to start it now? They're.

[Whitney]

If he's gonna go crazy here, Marsh.

[G]

Is gonna lose history. If history is any indication. They're gonna try and slap lipstick on a pig, slap a bandit, and be relevant again in one or two years. What makes you think that now all of a sudden they're going to rebuild after 10 years of having.

[Keith]

Because I'm hearing rumblings that, that Akalini put it in Rutherford's hands and he said no chance.

[G]

No chance.

[Whitney]

I think he's pretty hands on. I don't, I don't.

[G]

And, and no offense to Jim Lee's running it.

[Keith]

He's basically brother for his back.

[G]

Jimmy's no spring chicken, so he's trying to like win, keep his jaw. You think Jimmy's gonna sign up for a seven year rebuild? I. I think the Canucks are gonna do what they always do and try and be relevant again a year or two. And it's gonna keep in that mushy.

[Keith]

Middle, putting him up at the pack rim. And he's getting free Elisa stakes every night. I'd sign up for seven. Real seven.

[Whitney]

I'm reading, I'm reading the ch. I just wanted to go to the chat here.

[Keith]

Blue Water Cafe, baby.

[Whitney]

I had to see what the chat was saying. Like, apparently Quinn and Larkin are best friends. Is that true? Like, maybe that has something to do with it.

[G]

Oh, yeah, they're tight. They're tight.

[Whitney]

Maybe he's like, I'm gonna go somewhere and bury my brothers whenever we play the Devils. Like, maybe I'M wrong on all this. I just think of the who's saying Detroit. I think Detroit's room.

[G]

Elliot Friedman's been mentioning that.

[Keith]

I think so he did. Okay.

[G]

They have a lot of assets. Obviously he lives there. So there's that obvious connection. I could see that. Yeah.

[Whitney]

I wonder what the Knox fans would want from Detroit.

[Reader]

So.

[G]

So Elliot said that like knocks priority is they want a centerman back. So that's why I think like Detroit's got that Marco Casper jersey.

[Whitney]

Doesn't really have that.

[G]

Yeah. Like Devils have Mercer, but he's better as a winger to be quite frank. And I also think they. They kind of need wingers. So Detroit I think is. Is set up if they wanted to with the assets the Canucks want.

[Keith]

Yeah. Elliot Friedman pointed out post game because I Vancouver as depleted as they are and how pathetic they. They look. They work their bags off. Yeah, but like the other night you went and looked through their centerman. Like I don't even know if I could tell you one name of their centerman who played the other night. The one kid actually played really well. He had two goals. Right. He's. Baxter was talking about him on the post game how he gets really low on the. On the. Basically his bottom hand on the draw gets down towards the blade. I think he was 88% in the face off circle the other night on. On Hockey Night in Canada in that one when they beat. Who the did they beat? They beat someone four one Minnesota. Yeah. That was the first goal that that Wallstead has allowed against a Canadian team all season.

[Whitney]

Talk about a night that they were supposed to roll. Like they played vancouver and they lose 4 1.

[Keith]

Yeah.

[G]

Well now knowing the Canucks, they're going to win six or seven and end up with that mushy middle again. They can't do anything right.

[Morgan Geeky]

So.

[Whitney]

Wow.

[Keith]

Quinn Hughes boy. So you under over three weeks.

[Biz]

Is he gone under, over, under over.

[Whitney]

Funny way to say it.

[G]

I think longer than that. Longer than three weeks.

[Whitney]

Well, it's funny because like if you're. If you're. If you're not the Devils, you got to get them as long as you possibly can. If you are worried about right. Like if. If you get them in a week, two weeks, three weeks. All right, you get the rest this year and next year. But if. If you're wait till the deadline, then it's like all right, imagine Dallas comes storming in with the Sagan money. Now I don't think they have what. What it takes to give it. Give it up. I'm trying to think of teams with money because the one thing about the Devils I think Elliot said this is that it's dollar in like dollar out. Like they have no cap space.

[G]

So yeah, they have no cap space. And listen, I've been defend a staunch defender of Fitzy for a long time now and Devil's Twitter has really turned on him and they're saying, you know, fire Fitzy. Fire Fitzy. I will say Fitzy's got to do something. I've said it for quite a while now. This team needs a 3C. They need a top six winger and you can't just rely on oh we get one injury, everything falls apart. So I was not happy this summer with Fitzy not getting done. But I said, you know what, as long as he gets it done before the deadline. But now with all these injured Kisher Meyer and Brat didn't skate today and and they're saying Meyer and Brad might not play tomorrow.

[Keith]

Like what the posh. So that's where I disagree you I think that if they have to give up Nemet, get rid of them because if you're Fitzy and you don't do anything of relevance in the next two years, he's not going to have his job anyway. What the do you care about Nemes? If you're getting back Quinn Hughes, you basically have until the end of next year. So I would sign seal and deliver that on the way out and do everything I can. And then I think they were also saying that they're kicking tires on trying to get stam coast somebody stamco that I don't know.

[Whitney]

Wow.

[G]

So hard pass on Stan.

[Keith]

I would give up Nemetz to to Vancouver, but they'd have to take Dougie Hamilton off the books for me.

[Whitney]

And the other does he have no move though?

[Biz]

Does Dougie have no move?

[G]

Yeah, Dougie has a no move. Yeah.

[Keith]

Yeah.

[G]

And that's one thing Fitz he's been critiqued for is like you see all these GMS of good teams getting rid of good or bad contracts and throwing in picks for other teams to do it. Like how he's not been able to do that with Palat at the very least for that 6 million. Like who cares about picks? Sweeten these deals, get these contracts off the book so you can free yourself up to make a big swing.

[Keith]

So I will say turning on Fitzy.

[G]

I'm not turning on him. I'm not turning on him because I love what he's done. And everyone's like he doesn't make big moves two years Ago he got Timo Mar at the deadline. The reason the last two years he hasn't made big moves is because the team has been decimated. He's like, well, we're not doing without Jack.

[Whitney]

Why.

[G]

Why go all in? So I'm not one of those guys that blames him for the last two deadlines, but.

[Keith]

Did we lose him now?

[G]

The time is now to make moves. No Stamkos. Too old, too slow. There's a reason Breezeball let him go. It's not Stamkos, but same team. Ryan O'Reilly. I would love Ryan O'Reilly.

[Whitney]

That would be. That would be a perfect fit for the Devils and Devils fans all over Fitzy. Like, I don't know. I have a hard time blaming him when they looked unreal this year before the injuries like they now granted, like, maybe they're almost mad he has guys who are so injury prone. But to me that's crazy. They look. They looked as good as any team. They looked at Colorado at the beginning of the year.

[Keith]

You should be giving them protein shakes and tell them to hit the weights in the summer. Enough with the ice.

[Whitney]

It's also too.

[Biz]

I think if Fitzy's not there, then this. This deal isn't getting. Because from the sounds of it, it sounds like Quinn likes Fitzy and like this deal might not be even getting talked about if he's not there.

[G]

No, that fits. He's got. No, no, it's the brother. Like, come on, it's Jack.

[Biz]

I don't know.

[Whitney]

Might be fit. But.

[G]

But yeah, you said it's. It's not his fault with the injuries, but I think he needs to set the team up better in the case of injuries to be able to absorb that better. If you had a 3C, if you got that guy in the summer, if you had another winger in the summer, the injuries wouldn't cripple the team as much as they have. So I'm still team Fitzy, but he's got to make a move.

[Keith]

So G coming in here. Go back with the flyers. They have 9.7 million in cap space this year and 46 million next summer. So that is a team who could do it a lot more seamlessly where it doesn't have to be money out situation. So. And. And then he's also saying that he's very close with Trevor Zegras. I don't know if friendship with Trevor.

[G]

Not as close as your brothers.

[Keith]

G. Yeah, so. But hey, thank. Thanks for the tidbits, G. And I know we went long on this, but this is like a, this is a blue chip defenseman that's available. Guys, this is going to move the needle. It's a superstar available and early in the season. And this is the type of drama that we needed on today's podcast. Any final words?

[G]

I. I do want to say it. Just reading this outline here, like, gee, just God is not no puck. He said the Bruins had their way with the Devil Saturday. If you watch the game, the Devils completely throttled them the whole game. They had a couple bad turnovers in their net, but like they did not have their way with the Devils. It was, it was a one goal game until two minutes left. So G. Well, he's a home.

[Biz]

I think he wrote, I think he wrote that to get your reaction. So.

[Whitney]

Yeah. So you're saying G doesn't know puck, right?

[G]

Well, I've said that for a while. Yeah.

[Whitney]

Now, right now, Columbus and New Jersey are. They're neck and neck.

[G]

Columbus hasn't missed Jack Hughes, Brett Pesci.

[Whitney]

Hey, let's, let's go back and look.

[Reader]

At any one of Posh's predictions from this past year. They have all been God awful.

[G]

Name one. Name one.

[Reader]

One.

[Whitney]

Name one. G. Columbus.

[Reader]

Columbus. Right there.

[Whitney]

You just said it.

[Reader]

He said Columbus was going to be an awful hockey team this year. They look better than his New Jersey Devils.

[Keith]

And another thing too is they, they were decimated by injuries last year and they still put up a better fight than the Devils.

[Reader]

So.

[Whitney]

You don't think injuries are like they, you're just like, oh, it's injured, they're injured, they're injured. It's like at some point, if they're always injured, that's who you are.

[G]

I mean, yes, that's, that is fair. But I'm saying one healthy. These two teams are not in the same league, so I stand by that. Columbus is a bubbleman.

[Whitney]

I get a great night's sleep.

[Keith]

Do you think that the Devils maybe you should get them like a team gift card to like West Garden so they can go get like good massages and some releases or something Just like. So they're not getting as injured as much.

[Biz]

Yeah, massage.

[G]

Okay, I'll consider that.

[Keith]

What do you mean?

[Biz]

I'm sure they have a team beef.

[Keith]

Hey, it's a, it's rest is a weapon. That's what. What's his name used to say all the time?

[Whitney]

Peter Socorro. Did you, did you appreciate Jack Hughes's new what. What just came out today that he's partnering up with like a local doctor's office?

[G]

Yeah, he partnered with, like, a health company. I. I thought that was pretty ironic.

[Whitney]

Yeah.

[G]

I don't know about the timing of that announcement, but what do you make.

[Keith]

Of the fact they haven't won a game since he went on the date with Tate McCray?

[G]

I'm not entirely sure that's true, but if it is true, he's got a gasser.

[Whitney]

Dude. We're talking about putting the league.

[Biz]

We got to get the league numbers up. And you want him to.

[G]

I don't care about leaders. I care about Devils numbers. I don't care about league numbers.

[Whitney]

Would gas his girl right now. If you told him it meant that, like, Meer played tomorrow and the Devil's won.

[Keith]

Breaking news. Tate's getting sent to Vancouver as part of the trade to bring in Quinn. Wow. Package deal. Unbelievable.

[Whitney]

All right.

[Keith]

Love wins.

[Whitney]

Have a great one.

[G]

You too.

[Whitney]

I got a real problem, you guys, with.

This hand pass review system going on.

[Biz]

Now.

[Whitney]

Let me. Let me get out in the open. I've had people fury, like, so angry with me that I'm like, are you really this angry that I didn't know that you could review a hand pass? Like, sorry, guys, I missed the rule. Like, have I ever said I'm a genius, maybe? No, Like, I. I wasn't. I didn't. I don't know. Maybe I did know and I forgot, but we're watching the game. Incredible game Thursday night between Tampa and Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh goes up 3. Nothing. Tampa comes flying back, makes it 3, 3. Pittsburgh goes up 4, 3. The puck gets rimmed around the boards. Brandon Hagel basically protecting his teeth from getting, like, macavoid by the puck. The puck hits his hand and it goes over to somebody who gives it the Kucherov tie game. They review it. We were at coast to coast as they were viewing it. I said, there's no way. There is no chance that this goal is getting called back for a hand pass. Like, what is the.

[Biz]

The.

[Whitney]

What is the intent? The. The actual rule? Like, I'm talking. You're sliding it with your hand. It's a hand pass. If we're now going to, like, protecting yourself and it hits the back of your glove and you're calling that a hand pass only for two days later. The same exact thing happens with the Florida Panthers against Columbus.

[Keith]

Actually, in my opinion, the Marshall one was worse. He legitimately tries to grab the puck and he misses it, but it does hit his hand, right?

[Whitney]

What the are we doing?

[Biz]

They said it was a deflection, so here's the kicker.

[Keith]

So if. If you're the coach for the Columbus Blue Jackets, and hopefully we can actually roll this clip after I'm done talking about it. I think TSN was the one who posted it. It was Dean Evison getting asked about a post game. He wanted to snap.

[Whitney]

He wanted to kill someone.

[Morgan Geeky]

He.

[Keith]

He did everything he could to avoid a fine, but then, like, bring it to that limit. But so he's seeing that call and he's saying, well, obviously it's. You know, it's. They just made it 4:2. I might as well calm things down by calling this because it's clear if they called the other one the other night, they're gonna reverse this.

[Whitney]

So it goes.

[Keith]

They sent it to Toronto or however they review it, and then they don't call it back. And then on top of that, they get a penalty. And then Florida makes it 4:3 on that power play, so they get the two banger. So obviously he's livid. But I agree with Dean Evanson here. You just set the standard. And on top of that, there was one prior one in the. In the season with Matheson that they showed on sportsnet and Elliott had the full rundown where he legit goes to make a poke check, the puck comes up and it hits Matheson's glove and bounces away. This one is like the least intentional glove pass of all time. Like, if you had a poster child for what shouldn't be called a hand pass, it would be that. And then they called the goal back. So the fact that they don't call the Marchie one back. This is the response you get from a head coach in league, and rightfully so.

[Whitney]

Can we play it? Do we have it?

[Keith]

Team prides itself on defensive hockey.

[Reader]

Seven against tonight.

[Biz]

What do you count that to?

[Whitney]

He's so mad.

[Morgan Geeky]

Ball game was a joke. That's what I count it to.

[Whitney]

In what way?

[Morgan Geeky]

Every way. Entire game was a joke. Did it start with that challenge on the hand pass? It's a joke. An absolute joke.

[Reader]

That. That game was where it was at.

[Keith]

How do your guys bounce back from.

[Morgan Geeky]

From a game like this? Our guys are great.

[Whitney]

Our guys have no issues.

[Reader]

They know what happened.

[Morgan Geeky]

It'll be good tomorrow night. We'll play hard. We played hard all night. We played great. We.

We played great. Game was a joke.

[Keith]

And it's easy to go ahead.

[Whitney]

I was just gonna say, like, I could see his staff, like, in the back room, like, have it ready. Have it ready. Walks in, you just chuck him a bottle of pink wit and he's like.

Or he just Starts punching the wall.

[Keith]

That's the only thing that could sue this pain.

[Whitney]

And he was human.

[Keith]

I know these guys at the league are trying to get it right, but they gotta have a little powwow here and have a conversation. I don't know if it's different guys in that room that didn't see the one from the the game before. I don't know if there's an email that gets sent out. Hey, guys, make sure you watch this. We, we ended up reversing this goal call. But basically the three examples I just gave you, they got all of them wrong. It's absolute. They need to change the rule where if a puck gets shot at a guy and he puts his hand up and it hits his hand and it's still going, that's not a hand pass. That's not how that works. It's got to be a clear hand pass and funny. I don't know if you want to keep talking about this, Yan's, go ahead.

[Biz]

No, I was just going to say, you know how every year they have at the GM meetings and stuff down here in Florida, that that'll be the number one thing that will come out of that. They'll make a change this year, right, for next year.

[Whitney]

I don't know because if you go back to Thursday night, I forget who the Islanders forward was literally spearing Colorado's goalies pass Zeke and then Jack goal ends up counting and Bednar after is like, yeah, I got no clue. What's goalie interference? Like you got head coaches, some of the best coaches in the game being like, I have no clue. So it goes with goaltender interference, it goes with hand passes that are. Are not called. And it's like, I don't. How are we supposed to say there's going to be an answer given when nobody knows?

[Keith]

We did not have the volume on the television and we saw the overhead of the Suzikis one you're talking about and I'm like, oh, that's coming back. He literally just spears his pad. Nope. It ended up counting power play the other way. So it's just a little bit of inconsistency right now where I think that that just needs to be cleaned up and, and credit to Coop and we've been beating the drum on him finally winning a Jack Adams. We were doing the coast to coast when that happened. Now, I'm not going to be a hypocrite here. I was hoping that the goal was taken back just to see a snapshot because I kind of wanted a little Bit of excitement, but the restraint from John Cooper. His face was getting redder and redder by the second after they disallowed that goal. But I would have been throwing sticks on the ice. But the fact that he restrained, he kept it cool and didn't snap to me. Even more reason where he has to lock in coach of the year. So the league better make sure they hand that thing over to him for him not embarrassing them on that horrendous, horrendous call. And they had a nice little win streak going too. They were putting some wins together. One of the hottest teams the league, I believe they're 7 and 3 over their last 10. So that them right in the hoop.

[Whitney]

Just. Just incredible. Like being a coach in the NHL is so hard. I think I have more appreciation for it since I'm done playing. I guess doing this, you just see the pressure and the stress and like the top. The amount of times I would be losing my mind on refs. And then part of it, they probably don't want to pay the big fine. But when guys do so show restraint, like Evans in there could have killed someone.

[Biz]

Oh, yeah.

[Whitney]

And he just kept saying it's a joke the entire goddamn game.

[Biz]

The worst part is, is, I mean, it happened to Columbus. Like, you go on the PK if you get it wrong, and then, boom, they score again. It's. It's just a double check in the nuts.

[Whitney]

And by this could be Florida. And then FL Biz, you called it, you go bet on them again. And they did it again. Was it yesterday?

[Keith]

And the easiest part of that is they come back in that game, they end up winning six. This final score. Six, seven, six, seven. It was six, seven night at the Panthers game. They had a six, seven night there. Everybody on the jumbotron was doing this all game long. After the game, Bennett's on the bench getting interviewed. Sam the Bennett menace doing the six, seven. And then. And then on top of that, a few days prior, as they were going out to practice, because knowing six, seven night was coming, they asked every player, a player about it. That's why I said Marchie said if the kids at his household say it, they get grounded. So everybody in Florida has to be on the 6, 7 train. Everybody's sick and tired of the 6, 7, and sick and tired of the Florida Panthers. Cup after cup after cup after. And this is going to ignite them again is the 6, 7.

[Biz]

During. During the call too. Randy Moeller and. And Goldstein, they were talking. They were like, yeah, seven or I think it was like seven or six games ago and then in. And Goldie was like, you mean six or seven games ago. It was one nothing at the time. And then the game ends. Six, seven.

[Keith]

That's what I'm saying. We're in the simulation at this point.

[Biz]

Man.

[Keith]

Ice. I said the other night after they won that one, I said, they're gonna go on a run. So they ended up beating Islanders 41 at home on a back to back. I think that they're gonna win like six or seven in a row here.

[Whitney]

I love this so much. And the people get pissed off. I love it even more. It's like I'm like addicted to it. I got a serious problem. I got a problem put in my joints. Boys weekend. Six, seven. My house is like a carnival. Hey, Colorado Avalanche fans, to keep dming me. You don't talk about us enough. We will. But right now. And we do. I mean, you guys are incredible.

[Keith]

So we had Lyles on a couple weeks ago.

[Whitney]

So is Dallas, though. So was Dallas. And right now we'll get into Colorado. We got some more things to talk about. Plenty of stuff to get to, but we're gonna bring in Ken Reed right now. But before Ken Reed, I want to talk about Aura Frames. Guys. My parents favorite gift right now is Aura Frames. Holiday pattern time. I tell myself I'll be thoughtful and then I panic at the last minute and buy a brutal gift. But this year, the panic was skipped. Mr. And Mrs. Whitney are all set up with Aura Frames. You could put any picture in the world. I'm actually hoping I can go to the security camera and get the picture of Wyatt puking in my face. And boom, that goes on. Aura Frames. You could do any picture. So easy to load by gifting. Or a frame. You can preload photos before it ships. Keep adding them from anywhere, anytime. Personalize your gift. You can add a message before it arrives. You can share photos and videos effortlessly straight from your phone all year long. You can't wrap togetherness, but you can frame it with Aura Frames for a limited time. Save on the perfect Christmas gift by visiting or frames.com to get 35 off. $35 off Aura's best selling Carver Matte frames. Name number one by wire cutter by using promo code Chiclets at checkout. That's a U R A frames.com promo code Chiclets. The deal is exclusive to listeners and frames sell out fast. So order yours now. If you're sitting at your computer, go on or frames.com order one right now to get it in time for the holidays. Support the show by mentioning us at checkout. Terms and condition apply. And also draft Kings.

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See DKNG Co Audio limited time offer. Bring on Ken Reed. Bring on our Canadian royalty guest. There he is. What up, reader?

[Reader]

What's up, boys? Right in the hoop. Hey, Biz. I like that.

[Keith]

Right in the hoop.

[Whitney]

That's where he likes.

[Keith]

That's where the coaches are getting hosed with these. With these hand passes. What did you make of those? Those are.

[Reader]

They are. Can I just say, like, replay was brought in to. To kind of decide the obvious things. We've. We've so jumped the shark. I. I've said it before and I'm going to say it again, and I'm going to follow what you said on the Olympics. Make them play in North America. Like, you don't have to sleep on a cot. You can play in a proper NHL arena. I want history play. I want the NHL to be the first league to go no more. It's replay. We're putting the genie.

[Whitney]

I've said this before, Ken, and people jump down my throat like an offside goal in the cup finals. Like, what? But. And I see that side of it. But at this point, you can't. You can't Take anything away and keep it. So it's like full tilt or nothing. And I seriously think nothing was better.

[Reader]

Absolutely.

[Whitney]

Everyone gets fucked.

[Reader]

You go Back to the 1980 cup final, Bob Neistra might have been offside, but whatever, you live with it. And, and you mentioned that throwing the sticks on the ice. I want to see that. I want to see coaches be fiery and passionate. I want to bring the human element back into the game. And there's always been bad calls in the history of the game. So let's live with it. Let's put the genie back in the bottle. Get rid of instant replay. Totally get rid of it and tell.

[Keith]

Some have it at Chicklets Cup.

[Reader]

There you go. Some geek will develop a chip you can put in the park that will tell you if it's over the goal line or not. And that's all we need. That's it done. Some nerd can figure that out. I know a lot of geeks. I probably am one. So let's go. Get rid of instant replay.

[Keith]

Yeah, I like.

[Whitney]

Kind of crazy to think about.

[Biz]

I think you gotta have it for playoffs though.

[Whitney]

There would be a riot if there was a big goal in the cup final offside, right?

[Reader]

There would be, but there always have been anyway, right? Like there's always been, you know, like, is. Is the game really designed to go down to like the smallest little millimeter ever? Is that what the game is about? Not really, I don't think.

[Whitney]

No, no, no.

[Keith]

Reader, what else has been catching your eye? Like, what's the biggest thing that you're focusing on right now? Is it the Olympics?

[Reader]

Well, I was at the. The Toronto Montreal game the other night and it reminded me of the Toronto Montreal game two weeks ago. It looked like a. AAA kids team against a single A kids team in the second period with Montreal totally dominating your Leafs, Paul. But I, again, I'm just at that game and all I'm doing is watching Lane Hudson and I. I can't believe how good he is and I can't. Is there still talk that he's not going to be on the U.S. olympic team? Because that to me is absolute insane. But I guess if they're playing on a 50 by 20 sheet ice, maybe not.

[Whitney]

Listen, I. I want him to be there. I totally get like, you have Quinn Hughes and you have Zach Warrenski, who are better defensively than him, but you could bring 8D and I don't think this kid in 2030 isn't going to be on your team. So it's like bring them in and if one. Something were to happen to one of those two guys, I, I see the sides of both. I'm just biased. I love watching them play. So dynamic and imagine him with that many high caliber, high caliber players. So I'm with you. But I, I do, I do know that he wouldn't be playing the same role that he's playing and dominating at. With, With Montreal.

[Reader]

Yeah. I mean, what about kind of like how Makar cancels out Bouchard in Canada? Right? Like, kind of like.

[Biz]

Yeah.

[G]

And that.

[Whitney]

And, and Makar doesn't even have like the turnovers. Although Bush. We can get into the orders a little bit. Bush has been unreal.

Those are back. Those are very back. But for, for your team, Team Canada is there is. Do you have a hot take on the team? Do you have a guy you want to see on the team that maybe people haven't mentioned a lot? Like, what's your roster look like?

[Keith]

Well, your home. Was that you. You also believe that they should be playing in North America, given the real situation?

[Reader]

Totally. Totally. Like, I mean, if you're right now, if they. The I double HF doesn't have it figured out by now. I mean, I would as a guy, I would love the Olympic experience. But the biggest tournament I ever played in was the Westville March break tournament in Pictou County. Right.

[Whitney]

I had to say, how'd you guys do?

[Reader]

We probably finished like a distant fourth. Probably got screwed on the goals for and against. Wasn't that the worst in minor hockey tournaments?

[Keith]

Oh, yeah.

[Reader]

You know, actually, no. The biggest tournament I played in was in Spring Hill and my dad threw garbage on the ice because the ref was so bad there was no instant replay. Right. But we live with it.

Right.

[Keith]

Hey, but everybody went home saying there was a guy who threw garbage on the ice tonight. That's where the entertainment's at.

[Biz]

Yeah.

[Reader]

Yeah. Who threw the garbage on the ice? The head of the Sutherland Harris Memorial Hospital. Their head doctor through garbage and the ice chief physician.

[G]

So.

[Reader]

So I remember the ref had a. Like a Denny Savara Joa bubble helmet too. Not the Gretzky one, but the one Denny wore late in his career. The Bob Erie Y, you know, so. Yeah, but he got screwed on goals for. Yeah. What was the question?

[Keith]

It was about the Olympics and playing. Playing over in North America as opposed to. To over in. That if it's a show.

[Reader]

Well, I made my roster. I got Tom Wilson on the roster. I have to have Tom Wilson on there.

[Whitney]

That. That brings up a great point. I forgot to say biz has said. And you ain't getting out of this one. If Wilson is not on the team, he's rooting for Team usa. We have that. We have that under reverse.

[Reader]

Really?

[Keith]

Okay, listen, I said that in jest, as in, like, I'd be very, very upset because it's not even. Like he hasn't proved it offensively. What's he got? 17 goals. He's literally done everything that you could do as a hockey player to solidify himself a spot. He's scoring goals, he's making plays, he's running guys through the end walls. He fights. He leads the as army said last year or maybe the year before. Like, I get that ovi's ovi, but it's Tom Wilson's team.

[Biz]

And you were saying he should be on the Four nations team. So you're not. This isn't new. Like, you've been saying this.

[Keith]

Correct. And, and he's even taken another step as far as the start of the year he's had. So, I mean, I would, I would have him above. Ahead of Bedard. It's hard to say.

[Whitney]

You have Wilson ahead of Bedard.

[Biz]

Bedard.

[Keith]

Yes, buddy, yes. Yes.

[Reader]

But you have to.

[Biz]

You can have them both.

[Reader]

Don't you have to bring Bedard? Doesn't he played his way out of the team?

[Keith]

Yes, I think so. I'm hearing that it's, it's, it's probably going to lean towards a no. Which.

[Reader]

Right.

[Keith]

I was more concerned about the, the uproar as far as the outside noise where you just be like, ah, just bring them. But I think that we have recency bias on like, oh, like, you know, everybody's just zipping around. Do you remember how tightly checked that finals of the. Of the Four nations was?

[Reader]

Yeah.

[Biz]

Yeah.

[Keith]

So guys like Tom Wilson matter. Right? That's. That to me is a guy that's going to matter.

[Reader]

But just bring Bedard for your power play. That's what I don't get. Like, your, your fourth line's not going to play that much anyway. But that is so Hockey Canada. It's so on point for Hockey Canada to make the. Well, he hasn't earned his way yet, but.

[Keith]

Well, but buddy, there's only so many spots and they've won almost every tournament, so you can't even. You can't really.

[Biz]

He has earned his way, though.

[Reader]

He's totally earned his way.

[Whitney]

Business, fairness. He's got one more goal than Tom Wilson.

[Reader]

Yeah.

[Whitney]

So that's like.

[Reader]

That's earning his way. How awesome was Connor? Geeky on like an Hour ago.

[Keith]

By the way, I call him Connor all the time, too.

[Reader]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I figured. I figured out who Morgan is. I figured out who he is. So I'm listening to more and no, he's General McGinla. He's a nice western kid. He's on the arc like this. The year of the 2002 Olympics, Jerome. There was 50 guys invited to Father David Bauer arena in Canada in August for this truck, for this camp. Jerome was the last guy invited. He showed up the morning of with his gear bag because they called him at Edmonton the night before because somebody had been hurt and couldn't make it it. So Iggy's just walking in the rink with his gear bag. He goes on this amazing start to the season and plays his way onto team Canada. And when I look at Geeky, I'm like, holy smokes. It's the same thing. And if I think. I think Morgan's like, 27. Jerome was about 24 at that time, but it's like they're both awesome, humble guys. And can I applaud him for his stance on multiple sports? Mother of God, that was awesome.

[Whitney]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, no doubt.

[Keith]

So. So you got him on your. Your team Canada?

[Reader]

Well, I'm looking at the old roster, and since I heard his interview, you know, you could. It's easy to win me over with a good.

[Keith]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Reader]

As a media guy, But I don't know. I got. I mean, who do you take off? Do you point, take off, point, or haggle? Because I have Bennett in there, too.

[Whitney]

Hegel's not going anywhere as long as he doesn't hand pass every.

[Keith]

Had an incredible start the year, Annie, and he's a five on five.

[Biz]

I think Sorelli would be the one out on Tampa, if anything.

[Reader]

Yeah. Hey, you guys got Marner on your team.

[Whitney]

I do, but.

That'S a great one. He had that dish. He had that dish to McDavid in overtime.

[Keith]

Give a.

[Reader]

Okay. Geeky fermenter. Then decided, wow.

[Whitney]

Quick decision there.

[Biz]

Okay.

[Reader]

Why not? What the hell? It's not like they're listening to me anyway. I can say I can put Teapot on the freaking team. Nobody's gonna care. Didn't.

[Biz]

Iggy ended up playing on that first line in O2 too. Wasn't he on Iggy?

[Reader]

I think played. Did he play with Mario? Was he out there with Mario?

[Keith]

Mario and he was with Mario, and.

[Whitney]

He played a big role.

[Biz]

Yeah.

[Reader]

Iggy was just a guy that. He always had it, and he got it together at the start of that season. And like, we have to take him. And then he's playing so well. We have to play him too. Like it's, it's truly what hockey should be. Right? Earn your spot. That. Not by your name. Right. That, that. I love that they took him. And that's kind of what geeky reminds me of right now.

[Whitney]

I'll tell you right now, if Bedard doesn't make that team, there are going to be Canadians that wouldn't admit it, but are going to be like rooting against them.

[Reader]

He doesn't make it and they lose.

[Whitney]

Oh, if he doesn't make it and they lose, it'll be bigger than Gretzky. Not shooting against. Check in the, in. In 98. It really will be nice.

[Reader]

Well, we didn't take Sid in 06 and they lost. Right? They didn't. That was crazy.

[Whitney]

Looking back, you know.

[Reader]

And remember they took Eric Lindross when he was 18 to the 91 Canada cop. They won that. So it's not unprecedented. So take the kid. Take the kid.

[Keith]

What?

[Whitney]

So you mentioned, you mentioned the Oilers. You mentioned the Edmonton Oilers. And I said, it's all. And I, I was getting nervous. I was getting very nervous. But this is what they do. They stink. And then they run through this league like it's biz in Toronto on a long weekend and it's starting guys and everyone. Oh, Seattle stakes. Oh, Winnipeg doesn't have hella buck. No, I see it. You just can tell it's not about the competition, it's about them. And they are now buzzing. And Bouchard is a big part of it. When he gets going like this. I'm not going to say the team goes the way Evan Bouchard goes, but sometimes it kind of is the case. And I really think you're about to see a typical December, January, February of the last few years from the Edmonton Oilers when they are dominating. Reader. Agree. Disagree.

[Reader]

Totally agree. Remember in school, elementary school track and field, boys, Remember, you'd have the first heat, you'd have the semis and you'd have the final. And the fast kid, maybe he'd run against a little chubby guy for a while and he'd tie him in the first heat, they move on. And then the second heat, maybe he'd let the obese child win. By the time the old funnel ran around, he'd probably run beside the little obese kid for a while. Then the last 40, he'd go, they know what they're doing. You don't win a cup in look as what they say you can miss the playoffs in October and November but you can't make it. They know the game. It's all about the game and how you play it. That's a motor headline and it's very true. Yeah, they're rolling. They're gonna be fine. And was it on Hockey Night in Canada Biz? They showed it the other night. I think maybe, or maybe it was last night.

[Keith]

Oh yeah, they, they both, both games. They rolled Seattle the game prior and then I think they who they spanked Winnipeg. It was.

[Reader]

Yeah, Winnipeg.

[Keith]

Winnipeg was on a back to back. They just be Buffalo and they came in and they slaughtered them.

[Reader]

So I watched the Winnipeg game when I got home from the. The Edmonton game and like they, they slaughtered them down, beat them down. And I went upstairs and on the. The wife's away this weekend on the kitchen floor my 10 year old was passed out in his underwear. It was like that. It was just they, they thrashed them so.

[Whitney]

Pink Whitney.

[Reader]

Yeah. Pink Whitney.

[Keith]

Yeah.

[Biz]

Does it worry you that Florida is getting hot at the same time? Because I know you've kind of been down on them.

[Whitney]

Yeah, I mean if, if we somehow got through the west and played them again, I'd be as scared as a human's ever been. I'd rather get puked in the have my son puke in my mouth than play Florida again. But let me ask you guys this.

Edmonton, Vegas, Dallas, Colorado or the field.

A. I think, I think, I think, I think it's one of those four. And I know that's a chance. I do. I think, I think I like how.

[Biz]

You added Edmonton into that too.

[Whitney]

No, because they, they now granted like I'm scared of Florida. Like Tampa's very good. I don't think there's anyone else in the east who has a chance. And Carolina fans can get on me all you want, but I'm watching what.

[Keith]

I learned about those. All those western teams just beating the out of each other. That becomes part of the problem. Is it. I feel like the we are the least the west is just so much deeper and stronger where it's just going to be a show clawing out of there. So that's kind of where I'm at on that.

[Reader]

As a problem gambler I'll always take the field because that gives me 28 to 4 so.

[Whitney]

No, it gives you, it gives you 12 to 4.

[Reader]

Damn, you're smart. Because there's only six.

[Keith]

Yeah.

[Biz]

Oh, nice.

[Reader]

That's why I'm not a good gambler. See.

[Whitney]

Yeah, neither am I.

[Reader]

No, no one is, but I'll give you one right now. Toronto, Winnipeg, Edmonton, Florida, all make the playoffs. They'll all get going. They'll all get going. Florida's, Florida's just, you know, they're. They're treading water. I thought they'd be treading water a little bit better, but they're, they're not far.

[Keith]

No one's far out at this point though, Reader, I think I would rather Wit's kid puke in my face than have to watch Winnipeg Jack games. They are so bad to watch, man. They're boring. They're born.

[Whitney]

And without Hellbuck, like to see, to see what he does for that team and how bad they are without him, it's like, oh, what a fraud squad. And dude, it's not like a place I dislike or a team that I really dislike. Just like, you're not that good. You're not that good of a team. They think they need a second line center. Like they have. They have nothing there.

[Reader]

I still think they get going, but like their high end windows closed, I think. Was it 2017, guys? You guys remembered. It was like they were the COVID of the Hockey News. Like the team of the future and they just, they just never took it on. I don't know.

[Whitney]

They lost in the conference finals.

[Reader]

Yeah. Like their window, like Toronto's windows closed, I think. I still think they'll make the playoffs, but yeah, I'm with you. They're. Look, I always say 32 teams, 28 teams play the same way. Show me the final four teams. Those are the teams that play different. And so many teams just play the same. And the same makes for boring on a lot of nights, you know, let's bring the, Bring the scraps back. Bring me Morasti and whoever he fake squared off with the other night at td. Guard some of that. By the way, shout out to our boy, Terry Ryan. I'm so proud of him. I saw a big story on PR today. I'm so proud of him.

[Keith]

You know, he was on espn.

[Reader]

There's a big. He's like the COVID cover boy of their hockey page today, you know.

[Whitney]

Really?

[Keith]

That's awesome.

[Reader]

Look, between TR and Chris Nyland. Those are hockey's two best comebacks. They're my two favorite comebacks. TR and TR and Knuckles.

[Keith]

I think that Knuckles just celebrated 10 years of sobriety today or yesterday.

[Biz]

Nice.

[Morgan Geeky]

Rights.

[Whitney]

That's awesome.

[Reader]

Yeah.

[Keith]

Knuckles, not so much.

[Reader]

No, Terry's. Terry's just celebrated 10 minutes after he got up.

[Whitney]

Yeah.

I haven't had it.

[Reader]

I haven't had a beer since I went out with Terry in August. I'm like, I need a rest.

[Whitney]

Let me get your opinion, all you guys, because we didn't bring it up yet in the show on Ryan Leonard's out. He got true betraying. And I don't know what you guys think. I. I think it, I think you could call it a dirty hit while being the same time a good hit. I, I know that maybe doesn't go together, but dude, like, he's catching him going around the net and he buried him and he turned around at the last moment. He didn't know where he was on the ice. And I'm not saying it's not dirty, but dirty is what makes guys really good at hockey sometimes. So I didn't know what you guys thought of that.

[Reader]

It's.

[Biz]

It's when guys get hit, when they're in a vulnerable spot, sometimes guys lay off them and don't really, you know, lay the boom. But not with the true betraying.

[Reader]

No.

[Biz]

When he sees you in a vulnerable spot, he. That's where he's going to inflict his pain. And he did that from that. I thought the puck was closer, but that still shot. I just saw the puck looked like it was pretty far.

[Whitney]

I know, but he. But it was close enough to when he did the backhand pass.

[Biz]

Yeah.

[Whitney]

To getting a hit. And he might have been better off had he not even looked.

[Biz]

Just. Yeah, yeah.

[Whitney]

You know what I mean? I don't. Maybe, maybe that's not the case. But it's like, dude, you gotta know where that guy is on the ice. He's a dirty player. But once again, biz, dirty is. Is what makes people good.

[Biz]

Yeah, we talked about it last year with Tom Wilson against Montreal. I think it was right in playoffs, like you, hidden Truba, Tom Wilson, those guys, you need to know where they are on the ice. If you're on the ice against them, you can't. You can't admire you pass, you can't have. You can't put yourself in a vulnerable spot. So it's. You hate to say it's as much on Leonard as it is on Truba, but it's one of those things that you have to know who's on the ice. And I hope he's okay. I hope it's nothing too serious. I know he's out right now, but, you know, that just comes with learning the game and, you know, he's a young player in the league and he'll learn it.

[Whitney]

He'd been awesome. Biz lately.

[Biz]

Yeah.

[Keith]

And to say like, onus on the player, it's, it's almost just one of those ones like you said, like, like Truva plays a certain way to make himself effective in that situation. That, that side of the net is his. His side as a defenseman. So typically when there's already a defender on a guy, you don't see a guy come off his check to go lay a body on a guy who's already covered. But that's kind of, that's his right in that situation. It wasn't a dirty hit. In a sense. He got him dirty because his first point of contact was shoulder on shoulder. I think the fact that he was turning around, obviously Washington fans are going to and say, oh, head contact, head contact. No, it's wrong place, wrong time. And as you guys said, if you're on the ice against Truba, you got to know if you do a spin move and if you're on a guy and you have a guy on your ass, that's not saying that he ain't gonna come off his check and find you and square you up when you roll off. So that's just a wrong place, wrong time. But that's not a suspendable hit. That's just bad luck for Ryan Leonard, who's been buzzing lately. And that sucks if you're Washington because you've been rolling so good. Like they, I think they've won what, like six or seven of their last eight games. So yeah, that's, that's not a suspendable hit. But true, that's where Tom Wilson now he's got to police the game and go over and beat the outreach.

[Whitney]

So he asked him biz, now that's my. I wanted to ask you next. Wilson said after I asked him to fight and he wouldn't. Do you think if you're gonna throw that hit, you should answer the bell?

[Keith]

Yeah, I, I do. But if I'm Truba, I might say you, haha, I got your guy. It's gamesmanship. I'm trying to win games. I don't care about you. I'm trying to feed my family.

[Whitney]

That's all right.

[Reader]

Great hockey hit. Great hockey hit.

[Keith]

And remember, Tom Wilson might murder a guy in Montreal in playoffs and tell the other team, I ain't fight you. I'm gonna run you. I'm gonna run you. And then he's gonna go to the penalty box and he's gonna do something funny that we're gonna gift and we're gonna enjoy for the rest of our lives.

[Reader]

It was a great hockey hit. It sucked when you saw Leonard's head snap back, but you're right. If you don't like the hit, go have a. He owed him a fight. That's too bad. He didn't go with Wilson, but Wilson should just say, okay, I'm gonna go hit. I don't know. Pick your player. Dylan Gunther. Do the old. Do the old Wendell Clark. Skate over to the bench to Pavel Bury and say, if Gino doesn't start calming down, I'm gonna break your arm. Right. Like, it sounds tough and it's. It's harsh. Love. But you guys know, God, I didn't play the game. I played freaking high school in midget C. You guys know, once again, reader.

[Whitney]

It'S a vicious, vicious game.

[Reader]

It's a vicious game. And it's amazing how when we can slow it down and we say, was it too late? Was it too.

[Whitney]

It.

[Reader]

Look, it's kind of like the. The human element, right? You can't. It wasn't late hit. It was a good hit. If you don't like it, arm your team with somebody that'll take care of it. Sorry. If you don't like that, too bad.

[Whitney]

And Caps fans, like, you're saying it's a hit to the head. Hit to the head. Like the league said it wasn't a hit to the head. Like, it was not. Principal point of contact. He got his shoulder first G or fishy. Go back and put the first still image up. Yeah, he's already committed here. I would rather a great white shark be chasing me in the ocean, but.

[Biz]

You'Re a good swimmer then.

[Whitney]

See that, like, that is an absolute nightmare Fuel picture right there of that lunatic coming at you arm. Talked like I'm about to knock you.

[Keith]

Out for three to five weeks, you know, so people. People are gonna say, oh, blindside. It's like, well, not. Not really.

[G]

He's.

[Keith]

He's. If you look at Leonard in the shot before that, so the puck's coming around the wall. It's clear that he's going to go to true beside the ice. His knees are already facing the other way. So if he's able to accept this pass, he's. He's now all of a sudden flying around the perimeter of the zone. Trub is trying to eliminate that, and that's his right as a defender. He's coming over to his space. It just so happens he gets him in the right spot and he's injured and too bad. So sad. But that's not a blind. That's not a blind side hit. In my opinion, you're fair game.

[Biz]

You know what it reminds me of? Remember, Remember Boogard used to leave his point and come down and blow guys up?

[Reader]

Yeah.

[G]

Army.

[Biz]

Those guys did that. So you knew you work in the.

[Reader]

Tilt world at the carnival if you couldn't have hits like that.

[Whitney]

He is, but also.

[Biz]

What'S that wild.

[Reader]

43Rd birthday for Colby bet at what, 904?

[Whitney]

Oh, yeah. He had 15 slices of pizza, watched nine hockey games.

[Reader]

Yeah.

[Whitney]

Passed out.

[Reader]

Mel's just looking at him on his lazy boy going, this is my life. Then she looks to her right and daddy Wayne's visit, and she's like, There's Colby in 27 years. Awesome.

[Keith]

He's been buzzing with these slump busters. Have you been following that?

[Reader]

What's that? His slump busters. Oh, I saw he talked. Took responsibility for the ice in Milan. I did. I do admire him for that.

[Keith]

Yeah, that's right. That's right.

[Whitney]

Reader, your book, the Next one and hometown hockey Heroes kind of talk to us about writing this. How's it been? What's going on? Well, give us the breakdown.

[Reader]

My goal as an author, by the way, I'm not an author, is to get Biz to read one page.

[Whitney]

Oh, it's two books. I'm sorry. It's two different books.

[Reader]

That's okay. I just want to read one page. I mean, the last book's about Teapot, so I figured Biz would write that. Best hands east of Montreal till Johnny Sim came along. And there's debate about that. No offense, Simmer. Love you. But yeah, this one's about. It's. It's scouts and it's old war stories from scouts. So it's not about how you find the next. You know, it's not about how you find the next Keith Yandel. It's about boys. I've been on the road for 30 years and I've seen some stuff. So that's. It's talky stories. And I actually, one of the scouts in it gave me the scouting report on Paul Bissonnette from junior. Would you guys like to hear it?

[G]

Yes.

[Keith]

Get the out of here.

[Reader]

Okay. So I called him up, he said, listen to this. Superb defenseman. Superb.

[Whitney]

He was. He was.

[Reader]

Should have never been moved to forward. Could have had a 15 year NHL career on the point. He aimed to please the game, took advantage of that and that's why he was moved up front, because he just wanted to be a part of it. Anything to be there. He also adds one of his great Paul Bisson at Memories was seeing that goal against the Sabers where Biz. Where you smash the glass.

[Keith]

Yeah.

[Reader]

Said I don't so much remember the goal, but I remember going by the bar after the period and your dad and 20 guys from Welland were partying like they just won the Stanley Cup.

[Keith]

That's right.

[Reader]

Yeah.

[Keith]

They're crushing tequila.

[Reader]

Wow.

[Keith]

That was a very nice compliment of that.

[Whitney]

That was very nice.

[Reader]

Yeah.

[Biz]

Wow.

[Reader]

It was. Yeah. That report might be from. Yes.

[Whitney]

No, his dad. His dad.

[Reader]

It's not his dad. This guy also said that the last time he saw you biz, he. You had on a hat that said 4L. And he's like, what's that? It's fourth line for life. And you gave him the hat and his kid still wears it.

[Keith]

That's from usually. Okay. Usually when? Like the other day I was at. What's the other airport? Not Pearson in Toronto.

[Reader]

Billy Bishop.

[Keith]

Billy Bishop, yeah. If I have a. I had Yan's Chicklets hat on there. And he was just, oh. I'm like, are you a Chiclets guy? And he's like, of course. And I said, here you go. Because he asked for a photo before that. So usually I try to give them away when I'm on the road. That's okay. That's cool.

[Reader]

Yeah. That's the great. That's in the great. Henry. Paul. Henry.

[Keith]

Okay. Thank you so much for the nice compliment.

[Biz]

So that scouting report wasn't from when he was in junior because you switched to forward when you were pro, right?

[Keith]

I switched in my third year pro. My last year of my entry level. It was when I did that, so.

[Reader]

Should have been a defenseman.

[Whitney]

That's what I want to ask you, Biz.

[G]

Yeah.

[Whitney]

I want to ask you that we've never even talked about because I remember seeing you in camp as a defense. But you were good. You could skate. You're tough. Have you ever thought about, like, I wish I didn't switch. And that description is perfect, like, dude, aim to please, whatever it takes to make it. Was it more like, I'm not going to make it as a demon, but maybe you would have.

[Keith]

I don't know. I don't know. I always tell the story of when I came in the locker room when I got called back up to the American League and I'd been playing D in the coast. And when I got called back up on the board, I walked. I was fourth line, left wing. And we were. I remember we were playing in Philly against the Phantoms and they Had a very tough team and I don't know, I didn't. There wasn't really that much of a conversation. And then I remember I challenged a few guys in their team. They, they, they said no, thankfully, because they, they had heavies that would have probably beat me up. But then I just kind of stuck as a winger. And then I, all of a sudden I started fighting and then like I. Every day in practice I would be working with like Dan Bilesma and working on things for forwards, like your, Your. Your half wall work and stuff like that. And do I regret it? I guess no. Because, like, things kind of just progressed so fast where I ended up scoring some goals in that year, playing forward, got some confidence. And then that next year at a training camp, I made the team at a camp. So I was like, damn. Like, yeah, I guess this all worked out. So I never really thought about like that. I way more enjoyed playing D and it felt way more natural to me. And I was actually a way better backwards skater than I was forward, surprisingly.

[Whitney]

So you could motor backwards.

[Keith]

I was good backwards. I, I was.

[Biz]

You used to play D in practice all the time in Phoenix. I'd be like, why isn't this guy a demon?

[Whitney]

I know, looking back on it now, like, I wonder if you would have made it as a D on another. Another organization. You were just a bad boy. You were a baddie off the ice, dude.

[Keith]

Yeah. Yeah, I was a bit of a. I was a bit of a crazy man with all my wild stories. But I guess I would say this like, like the way that it's kind of. I was able to be a fourth liner and be a plug and around online was what brought me into this. Because if I was ever a defenseman, I would have never been tweeting and I would have been more worried about hockey. So things happen for a reason. And here we are. And now I get to around with you guys and hear about how awesome I was as a D man.

[Reader]

Exactly. Well, this is the path you're supposed to take, right? It's like our boy TR first round pick, but probably he's supposed to be this TR and not eight years in the NHL scoring 18 goals for Montreal. TR right.

[Whitney]

Everything happens for a reason.

[Biz]

Who would want to do that?

[Keith]

Yeah, so, yeah, so you said that you have all these war stories from scouts along the way. Like are. Are you talking like crazy that they found themselves in off the ice as well?

[Reader]

So like where the game brings you and stuff like this. So Paul Henry, I call him the Dos equis men of scouts like Paul's the kindest guy in the world. He, his story is so incredible. So for me, like everybody like me goes to a game and wants to find the next one of you guys. And everybody can go to a minor midget game and find Connor Bedard. That's not difficult. But how do I find like Antoine Roussel? And in the meantime when you're going about that, what stories do you encounter and how do you break into scouting? Like I got. So Paul was a. Paul Henry was a psychologist. And you guys know that song. 38 years old by the hip about 12 men broke loose in 73 from Milhaven maximum security. So it's about a breakout at a penitentiary near Kingston. Paul was the friggin psychologist at the penitentiary when they broke out, right? So he used to play hockey with these murderers and stuff on the inside. So then the New York Rangers are like, I need you to come talk. There's a guy on our team with an earring. You gotta talk to him. It's like 1980, right? They want to kill this guy because he's got an earring. So Paul goes and talks to him and they're like, well you, you know hockey too, right? Paul, he's like, yeah, I played, grew up with the Draper boys. Like, well, why don't you be a, I don't know, team psychologist and a scout. He's like, okay. So the next thing you know, he goes on this amazing scouting career. He helps put together the Canadian Olympic team in 94. There's a great story whit about how he got Adrian ocoin to leave Boston University to play for the Olympic team. And you know, and, and there's stories like that. There's a story of a musician who became a scout. There's like Jeff Tuohy. He's been in Peterborough for years. Just the thing about scouts is they're kind of like pro wrestlers and stand up comedians. Their first gigs literally for 25 bucks. Like they'll go anywhere for 50 bucks.

[Biz]

Yep.

[Reader]

So Jeff hitchhiked. He used to hitchhike the OHL Games, right? Like no budget. His first gig he wanted to scout for. I think he applied for assistant GM somewhere to Peterborough. They're like, no, but you can be our trainer. He's like, I don't know anything about medicine. They're like, don't worry about it. So he's a trainer slash scout. And he, and he wouldn't do stitches. Like think about being a trainer in the OHL in 1982. And you won't do stitches.

[Whitney]

Imagine sending your kid to a team and the trainers. This musician who's never, never looked at a body part in his life besides his own horn.

[Reader]

Yeah, exactly. Well, I can tell you what's going on down under the belt, but not above. Like.

[Keith]

Yeah, I was, I was on the. In Saint John in Newfoundland when I was playing in the American League. We were there for a 3 and 3 and I broken my toe and they sent in a guy who supposedly was a doctor, and I took. Yeah, senior. Yeah, exactly.

[Reader]

He poured some lambs.

[Keith]

Rum on it, buddy. Yeah. And the guy stuck the needle in and in one part of my toe and it went out the end of my toe and he's squeezing the, the. The liquid that's supposed to freeze my toe. And. And I'm like, bro, it's going through the end and it's not even going in my. You just jab me for no reason.

[Reader]

Like, was it a fish hook or a needle?

[Keith]

Yeah, exactly. That was a harpoon. It was fun. Yeah, but, yeah, but like, just going back to what you said, like, I could only imagine how crazy this is going back like 2016.

[Reader]

And so many of these scouts are like, really old school. Like Archie Henderson, he had became the head pro scout with, with Edmonton. He was, he was actually one of the first pro scouts hired on a full time basis in the NHL by Washington. And like, Archie's just. He's awesome. He was just inducted into the Western Canada Scouts hall of Fame. And when he was drafted, he's so old that he was working at a bakery the night before and he didn't even know the NHL draft was on. So he gets home, he sleeps, he wakes up, and his mother's like, you got a call from Washington D.C. to General McNabb. He's like, what? Now keep in mind, Archie's playing in the dub in the mid-70s, so he's not on the cutting edge of current affairs in modern science. Right. Like, he's, he's not there to become a doctor. So he's like, General McNabb? Like, yeah, they said General McNabb from Washington said he drafted you. He thought he was drafted to the Vietnam War. So he would, he wouldn't call him back for like a week.

[Keith]

That's crazy.

[Reader]

So then he, he trains and so he calls them back like, you need to run a mile in five minutes if you want to be a pro hockey player. So he's like, oh, what? What do I do? So his girlfriend Alice, who's now his wife Had a. Like a yellow Chevette. So she. She timed it out with a stopwatch that the car would run for for five minutes, for a mile. Like, she'd drive like, you know, five miles an hour. And so Archie would run behind it all summer. And so he shows up at camp and Tom McVice there with a stopwatch taping these guys behind a high school in Hershey, Pennsylvania. She runs the mile in like five minutes flat. He looks over. He's like anything else. So they. So he makes that Washington signs him. So he's like, so I'm on the Capitals. They're like, you're not on the Capitals. You're going to port. You're on Michigan.

[Morgan Geeky]

He's like, where?

[Reader]

Where the hell is that?

[Keith]

Oh, no. So I've been there.

[Reader]

They sent him. Yeah, they sent him to Port Huron and like the International League. Four weeks into his career, he gets clubbed over the head with a stick by Wild Willie Trognitz. And he ends up in. In Sports Illustrated, like, for the most brutal honest assault ever. So if you guys are ever wondering who was evaluating you during your day, it was. It was Archie. You know, unbelievable moves, puck. Well, Paul gets pucks in deep. Keith is a pretty player, you know.

[Keith]

Did you. Did you say it was Paul Henry who went to. To New York to evaluate the guy with the earring?

[Reader]

Yes.

[Keith]

What, what, what, what? Like what ended up coming of that? Do you have that story in the book?

[Reader]

Like, yeah, like, Paul just talked him. I think he took the ring out while he played. And the guy had a Lander's dad. Yeah. Yeah. Who's that?

[Biz]

Nylander?

[Reader]

No, it wasn't Nylander's dad. The guy also had a perm too. So it was like two things he had to address, the guy's perm and the earring. So I think he kept the perm, but he would take the earring out while he played. The guy actually had a pretty good NHL career.

[Keith]

Oh, it's that big of a deal for. For management that this guy had an earring at the time.

[Whitney]

Was it Ron Dugay?

[Reader]

It wasn't Ron Dugay. It was Mike. It was one of the Allison boys. Mike Allison, so from Dryden, Ontario, I want to say, had the earrings. So. But Mike ended up. I think he got like 30 goals one year and he ended up playing in the LA Kings. So he actually met him at Hockey Day in Canada a few years ago. Had a couple pops with him. He was a wicked dude biz.

[Biz]

That'd be like having a face tat nowadays. Like having an earring, right?

[Reader]

Yeah.

[Keith]

For. For how, for how much it was frowned upon back then.

[Reader]

Yeah. So it's just like these, like when I. I'm like, you guys, like, I'm not a numbers guy, right? Like, numbers mean nothing to me. My wife always says, she's a former co TV anchor. She always like, people don't remember numbers, they remember stories. So I just started calling these dudes up and it was like, like, what the frick? Where is this going? So it was, it was a blast. It was fun.

[Keith]

What's your favorite story from the book?

[Reader]

Well, I think Archie getting clobbered by Willie Trognitz over the head. And then later they became teammates and Archie almost fought him on the team bus. That was a good one. Paul Henry putting together the. The Canadian Olympic team was 94. And just his background as a. As a prison psychologist. And then there's another guy who's a musician. He ended up going on a scouting trip with Mr. Goalie Glenn hall, and he wrote a song about it. He actually played the song at my book launch. That was a lot of fun. But I think my favorite part is just like how much these guys love the game because. Love it, Love it. Like, like we can watch, you know, we'll watch an NHL game all weekend, but these guys are watching like six games in a day and like finding Sean Thorton out of like a midget double A game in Montreal because he beats the. Out of a guy like sitting through, you know, so many games or under 16, whatever I'm supposed to call it these days, you know, they just love the game.

[Whitney]

Don't you think? Don't you think? Like, Bill, like our buddy Billy Ryan scouts for the Canadians. Like, I think he loves hockey more than, more than anyone I've ever met. Love the game. And it doesn't matter what level, it doesn't matter what age. They just want to talk and they just want to watch. And it is so cool.

[Keith]

Is the rush finding the diamond in the rough? Is that the rush to find that Emmett Finney that those types of guys.

[Reader]

Yep, that's. That's absolutely what it is. Like, there's a guy in the book, Rick Kinnickel, who. Rick's an incredible story. He's like 30 years old. He was drafted out of Brandon in the late 70s. He's 30 years old, playing for the San Diego Gulls in the ihl, had never played in the NHL. And it's like LA is looking for a goal. He's like, what are you talking About. So Wayne can probably tell you more about this, but Keith, Wayne's brother, was playing for San Diego at the time, and he was telling Wayne about this goalie. So Kelly Rudy got injured. They signed Rick Kinnickle. He goes on this run with. With the kings in, like, 92, 93. Anywho, Rick ends up scouting for. For National Predators. So he's home one summer, just helping out at a. At a bantam camp. And I think Morgan mentioned, you know, you get drafted to the WHL when you're eight years old. So he's sitting there at one of their bantam camps, and there's this kid out on the ice, and he's just smashing everything. You know, it's an inner squad game. There's like 20 kids on each team. And Rick's like, Rick always carried a notebook on him. So he's scouting for Nashville, but he's just helping out Bradley. He's like, who's this kid? Like, we got him from Rankin Inlet. His name's Tutu. And he's like, oh, okay. So this Tutu kids, comes, gets back to the bench. He turns around to Rick. He's like, are you allowed to fight? And Rick's like, let's find out. Tutu goes out, beats the tarot of a guy, comes back on. He's like, how'd you like that? He goes, I want to do it again. So from the time he's 14, he writes down Tutu. The story progresses to the point where Tutu's draft year. Rick is like, telling David Poyle, Trade up for 91. Trade up for 91. Or whatever the hell pick he was. Trade up, trade up, trade up, trade up. So he gets. He gets two. Two in the third round. And he goes on to have this great career. There's another great story about the scout who found Antoine Roussel. Not drafted to the queue, not drafted to the NHL. Healthy scratch for the Chicago Wolves. They're just looking for some muscle from Iowa. Dallas was like, we need an energy guy for Iowa. Just sign some guy. Look, I like this roussel kid. Boom. 650 games. So, yeah, that's what these guys like.

[Whitney]

That's what Sean Avery talked to us about. Remember last year he was saying, like, I just want to go out and find those type guys.

[Reader]

Yeah.

[Whitney]

And. And not everyone can see him, right? Not everyone can see that there is skill behind those guys a lot of times. And, and. And, yeah, every cup winner has a bunch of them. So it's like, totally go figure.

[Reader]

You guys remember Jared Smithson from Nashville. Okay, so when I worked in Calgary and like 01 02, the Hitmen are stacked, right? They got like Brad Moran, Pavel Brendel, Brent Cron's and Nets shout out Kroner all time beauty. And Smithson's like the third line center, he's like 18, 19 years old. And I'm like, I don't, I don't get this guy. Like, I didn't see it. I didn't see what they saw. And of all the guys on the Hitman team, all these, you know, supposed studs, he's. He ends up having the longest NHL career because he gets in, he does what he's supposed to do, he does it well. Probably doesn't raise any hell doing it. And it's, it's an art to find these guys. I think it's like anybody can find the top 10 players in the NHL.

[Keith]

I mentioned it last pod. My, my, my nephew, my cousin who you know his kids playing hockey, he's like, any tips? And I'm like, honestly man, like to get to that skill level of these, these guys at the top, it's unlikely. Literally every game he just has to be noticeable where he's working his balls off. He's hitting everything that moves. He's bringing energy. And if you're the most conditioned guy and you're doing that every game, you're gonna find a way to at least get your schooling paid for or get to a certain level. I, I remember reading something the other day too. It's like, it's, it's not that. It's not. Don't make it over complicated. You know, you gotta skate, you gotta work hard, you shoot, you gotta pass. Like just get the job done.

[Whitney]

Finish every hit.

[Keith]

Finish every hit. It's very simple tools if you really think about it and.

[Whitney]

Reader.

[Reader]

Yeah, go ahead. Sorry, go ahead.

[Whitney]

No, I was gonna say that you just mentioned it's not hard to find the top 10 players in the NHL and biz. You said last week when discussing your nephew there that you're kind of born with like some of the things that you see the greatest players have. And a lot of times, you know, now being in youth hockey, it's like, well, the best nine year old isn't going to be the best 20 year old. But like sometimes they are and sometimes you see like Jack Eichel At 7, 6 years old, like sometimes that's just kind of the case. Dude. It's like they are the best player from the time they start playing hockey until they're not. So many of them fizzle out. And many of them, it's. It's a different thing. But there are certain players that it doesn't take any scout to figure.

[Morgan Geeky]

It's.

[Whitney]

It's a mum in the stands. It's never seen a hockey game. It's like, that kid's better than everyone else. Yeah.

[Reader]

That's how I start the book.

[Whitney]

Oh, my mom.

[Reader]

Mom and I went to so many Halifax Mooseheads game together. Mom had a great eye. Like, she could point out the good guys. But her favorite, and you can tell her, you can tell him next time he's on. Was Jody Shelley. Mom. Mom was a bit of a look in her day, boys. She was Miss Swimsuit Nova Scotia in 1970.

[Biz]

Oh, prove it.

[Reader]

Yes.

[Whitney]

Picture. Picture for us.

[Reader]

I might have something to mum down here.

[Keith]

Calendar right here.

[Reader]

There you go.

[Whitney]

Business texting.

[Reader]

So when the moose head started in Halifax, in like 95, the their ad between periods, their big sponsorship was shared to Casino. Cash in the bag. And they blindfold the contestant. They put this big giant round thing on the ice. You had to run around and. And find it. Of course, that would never happen today. The guy didn't wear a helmet. People were running into the plot. Plexiglass. It was awesome. Mom would have been 46, 47. So cougar, right? And she's like, oh, that Jody Shelley. He was looking over and I was waving at him. And then Jody go beat a guy up and mamad love it. So I gotta tell Jody one day that mom was the Sheraton cash in the bag lady. So Jody's not old enough to be my dad, which is good news. So I was gonna say.

[Keith]

You mean dad?

[Reader]

Yeah, Daddy Shelly. But.

[Whitney]

Hey, guys, there's McGill Reed story, you.

[Reader]

Know, where Jody Shelley, before he was invited to Halifax Mooseheads Camp, played Midget A in Yarmouth, Nova Scotia. A. He was.

[Whitney]

He had him on. He told that story.

[Reader]

Yeah. Donnie Matheson, I think, was the scout for the moose heads. And. But in. In Jody's day, it was a little different. Like you could make your presence felt. You guys know what I mean, at camp. A little differently than you can today, but great story rights.

[Whitney]

Thank you so much, buddy.

[Keith]

This is awesome, buddy. We love when you come on.

[Whitney]

Great catch.

[Reader]

And remember, guys, don't make fun of geeks who collect hockey cards, because someday you may find your own very own. Where is it?

[Keith]

Oh, tilt it down. There it is.

[Reader]

Look at Dick. Dick Paradise.

[Keith]

Who's that?

[Reader]

That's Dick paradise of the Minnesota Fighting Saints. Who. Who Probably. Probably played with Senior. So. Yeah. What a. The best name in hockey history. Dick Paradise.

[Keith]

That is.

[Whitney]

I picture like Bigger and McCracken in the morning when the kids wake up, like, Big Earn's already at the house. That was Dick paradise in the Read household.

[Reader]

Yeah.

[Whitney]

Jody Shelley making breakfast.

[Reader]

Yeah. Jody shelley. Mom. Is Mr. Paradise gone? Yeah, Paradise. Mr. Paradise just delivered the milk. And then my father's two pounds. My father's not home because he's too busy throwing garbage at referees around rural Nova Scotia.

[Biz]

He's a rest. Is that a John LeClaire stick behind you?

[Reader]

Good eye. Johnny brought me up that because I'm obsessed with the John LeClaire stick because of the curves.

[Biz]

It's crazy. Yeah, we've talked about it.

[Reader]

No.

[Whitney]

Yeah.

[Reader]

You guys want to see it?

[Keith]

He was. He was in the first training camp I was in because he just signed with the Penguins. Or maybe second. And we were playing the rebound game with Floyd Flurry, and he was wiring clappers from the hash marks with that exact twig right there down.

[Reader]

Like, I don't even know if. Look at the dust on it.

[Whitney]

I don't even know if that'll do two ways.

[Keith]

That is nuts.

[Reader]

We. He plays in Eric Shout out to the Eric Lindross Easter Seals tourney. But Johnny comes up for it every year. I'm your. I'm your mc. And Johnny still uses this. I'm like, how do you do that, buddy?

[Whitney]

Hey, reader ones.

[Reader]

Yeah, it's wood.

[Whitney]

You want to stick around for one last thing and hear Biz do an ad read?

[Reader]

Hell yeah. These are the best.

[Biz]

It should be a page out of the book.

[Reader]

Yeah. Let's go.

[Keith]

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[Whitney]

Nice. Little boy.

[Reader]

Little fumble.

[Whitney]

No, no. But, but, but. Dude, you're like cooking at a 97 rate reading those ads. So stay hot.

[Biz]

Like to see what say about that.

[Reader]

Yeah. Oh, boy. You talk about dick paradise.

[Keith]

We got to.

[Reader]

It's like Johnny Claire's stick ain't the only thing with a weird hook on it these days, eh.

[Keith]

G? Texting me, he goes, we should do a fictional comedy movie about NHL scouts in the 80s.

[Reader]

Oh, my God, that would be awesome. Starring you.

[Whitney]

Start writing that script. Start writing the script, reader.

[Reader]

Oh, my. You know who this. You know who the GM of the team is? Senior.

[Whitney]

Oh, God.

[Keith]

Okay, that's a. That. That's a good start. And then obviously Terry will do a cameo in it, if not be the star of the movie.

[Reader]

Star. Yeah, yeah.

[Whitney]

Imagine the table read with senior. It's like 47 hours and we haven't got. We haven't got through the first scene like that.

[Reader]

I love that, man. That's my hockey hall of fame. By the way, his basement is the best.

[Keith]

Yep.

[Reader]

First time. All right, reader, an hour to walk down the stairs, guys. Thank you for having me. This was awesome.

[Keith]

Awesome.

[Reader]

Likewise. Pucks and deep buddies.

[Whitney]

Hey, what a guy biz. Can we talk about the. The death. The death row hockey shirt?

[Keith]

Yeah, I think we just released it.

[Whitney]

That came out sick.

[Keith]

That's an unreal one. And that is. That is the bet we talked about if the Leafs before the Olympics, based on when they're starting. What's their record? Since we talked about that, I want to say they're. They're maybe like one and one.

[Whitney]

No, because they had three. Three wins in four games.

Since then. I know that maybe they'd won.

[Keith]

I thought maybe they'd won one before we announced that we were doing that. So G can figure that out. But we didn't release those shirts last year after they lost them playoffs. If they would have beat Florida in Game 7. Death Row Records, which is Snoop Dogg and his. His. His main man Kevin. We were going to drop those. They didn't win, but we figured since they're in such a hole or were in such a hole, let's get the. Let's get the boys going a little bit here. So we drop those for good luck. And Snoop Dogg is promised if they win 22 games. Before the Olympic break that he is going to come on for an interview. So that is huge. We'll smoke a bowl with him on here. We'll have some fun and talk some hockey.

Legends of all time. Snoop.

[Whitney]

So I, I promised we would mention the Avalanche. Yeah, I don't know what else there is to say about this team. That goal in overtime by McKinnon at MSG, and then to have Eichel score and maybe an even better goal in overtime at msg. Msg, we said it a couple of months ago. It brings out the best in the best players. But that McKinnon, the tight turn on the wall. I counted it was like six power crossovers to the middle. Little head fake shot fake toe drag, backhand under the bar. Comes out of the net quicker than it went in. I. I was like, what the. Did I just watch? Like, the guy is so above and beyond biz. He's above and beyond everyone else right now. I used to battle you that with him and McDavid, but this season it's not even close.

[Keith]

Yeah, I would say if you take into account the last two, two regular seasons and then this one, people always bring up like, oh, he's got beat out in the first round. Like, that's not on him. Like, his playoff numbers are fine. Like, but like, what he's doing right now is just absurd and he just dominates games. The way that he plays the game, too, is what I'm fascinated the most with. Like, you're talking about an NHL superstar that is one of the best puck hounds, if not the best puck hound in the world. If, if he loses it, it and they don't have it, he's just gonna go get it back. And that's how he operates. He finishes hits, he'll reverse hit, he sets up teammates and he's just, he's. He's cracked the code, man. And you said like, like their fans are bitching. Like, I see some of those tweets sometimes too. Like, we just had John Michael Lyles on. Like, we do a 30 minute stroke off fest of how good their team is. Like, we have to talk about other things too. So between them, Dallas and who's, I guess Washington. Like, those are the three hottest teams in the league right now. And we're trying to give you as many flowers as we can. And also Colorado is dealing with a few injuries too right now.

[Whitney]

Aren't they, like, yeah, back. I, I think it's incredible.

[Keith]

He's back.

[Whitney]

Yeah, I believe. Yeah, he's back. I, I can't believe how, like, it's just so valuable. Like Landiscog back, like, that's the guy. I, I, I would have bet anything he was done. And even when he was coming back and we had him on in the documentary, I was still like, I don't know. Like, chances are this guy gets out there and it's just. Can't do it. It's so cool for him. And just, they have their captain back, but their D, it's so mobile. Like the Taves, McCarr, whatever. Team Canada Stars. And then you got Manson playing with Burns. Vets, Manson's toughest. Then you have Gerard with Malinsky. That kid. That kid's a ufa, that Malinski. He's gonna get paid by someone. He could skate. He's, he's like a poor man's McCarr kind of. And, and Gerard is a straight water bug. Spinoramas everywhere. So two great goalies, like, they are, they're the class of the league. It's, it's incredible to watch. And also, McKinnon was classic. They asked him about the arena being shorter. He's like, who gives a.

It was like, kind of like the perfect comment. Like, all of us are discussing it.

[Keith]

Everyone's like, oh, my God, wait till he finds out the ice is going to be like. It was in Lake Tahoe for his outdoor game when he was toe picking. Yeah.

[Whitney]

When the game got delayed six hours. That was the Bruins. I think they were playing out there.

[Biz]

Yeah, it was. Hey. So just watching them, which I love that they do, and like, you know, obviously you see them out there in makar, and, and McKinnon always on the ice together. So I asked Jazzy to pull up some stats for me with how much they're actually on the ice with each other, because I think it's so.

[Whitney]

It's awesome.

[Biz]

It's unreal. Like, I always, I would get into arguments with coaches, like, if they'd be like, hey, we need more from you. I'd be like, guy, I'm playing with the fourth line. You can't expect to be putting up points and stuff like that. So Kale's played 733 minutes this year, and Nate has played 627 minutes this year.

All together.

[Whitney]

Okay.

[Biz]

How many minutes do you think they have on the ice together?

[Keith]

550.

If not more.

[Whitney]

Yeah, I was gonna, I was actually gonna say 500, 422.

[Reader]

Yeah.

[Whitney]

I mean, wow.

[Biz]

Like, why wouldn't you have them out there together? Like, some teams don't do it.

[Keith]

So I'm, I, I've noticed it a bit more like even with the Leafs game, like I'm not trying to bring it back. Leaves Troy Stetcher. They score. He'd been on the ice for three goals and it was with the third line every time. I, I know some teams do this, but I'm shocked that more teams don't pair five guys to go out there more often.

[Whitney]

Edmonton does it a lot.

[Keith]

Yeah, you, you should be doing it more often where guys are just used to each other's tendencies. And like you said, Yan's like you're an offensive player. Like yeah, you shouldn't be playing with the fourth line. They're just going to dump in. They don't want to play with the puck. So you, for your caliber, you should be playing with the top two lines of every time you hop over the boards. You want your skilled players mentally connecting.

[Biz]

Yeah, that's the big thing is they think the game the same way. They know where they should be. They, it's, it's just such a good asset and you know, honestly it's a, a nod to their coaching staff or think of in it and doing it every game.

[Whitney]

How about this stat through this is active players through their first hundred games played. Crosby leads the way with 132 points. OV second with 128. Malkin's third with 114. Caprisoft fourth with 112. McDavid's fifth with 108. Macklin Celebrini coming in at number six with 104 points. So he continues. He had three points against Carolina yesterday or two days. Whenever that game was. In all the discussion about Bedard on Team Canada, it's just a guarantee that Celebrini is there and we're kind of witnessing unfortunately it's in San Jose. I don't. That sounds wrong. I just more mean personally being out west, it's just hard to catch the games as much. But we're witnessing like a guy who's going to become an all time great. So it's pretty cool to see. I don't know if you guys had anything else.

[Biz]

He's just not cheating the game too. Right. Like he's, he's doing it in all three zones. So that, that's why he's going to be on that team because it's not like you know another guy who might be just all offense. Like he's just so good in all aspects of the game. So credit to him being that young and that responsible. And, you know, the numbers don't lie.

[Keith]

I don't have much else. Boys, shout out to G. I mean, I don't know when the BU Chlets University will be coming out, but they were just there. Make sure you go to the Spit and Chicklets YouTube channel that just hit 430,000 subscribers. The. The sandbagger with the Boston guys has been buzzing. That's got, I think, over 400,000 views. Chicklets, you from Maine is doing awesome. So if you haven't had a chance to go check out that, do that. And then also this upcoming week, is it this Wednesday?

[Whitney]

Wednesday, 2pm Me and Keith Vers, Biz and Paige, two on two. Very, very entertaining. Sandbagger. I can't wait till everyone gets to see that. And this will be the second week in a row we dropped Thursday instead of Friday. We're dropping Andrew Santino.

[Keith]

Oh, my God.

[Whitney]

Guys, I'm not. I'm whatever. Not gonna. I'm not gonna pump it up too much.

[Biz]

Just give it, like, funny.

[Whitney]

If you like laughing, just listen to this.

[Keith]

And make sure you go back and listen to Luke Robitaille, too, because he was. That was top 10 interview of all time. So we got some bangers coming out on Thursday pods Thursday, Friday.

[Whitney]

So Wednesday, 12 game notes with Merle's and Army. Right after that, we got Paige sandbagger, and then our second part of the week on Thursday morning. So everyone Ra Ra's world, can't wait to talk with him. Hope you had a great weekend. Hope you have a great rest of the week, and we will see you again very soon. Love you all. Appreciate you.

Happen.

[Morgan Geeky]

Won't happen again.

[Whitney]

Won't happen. Won't happen.

[Reader]

Won't.