Spittin' Chiclets Episode 606: Featuring Zeev Buium & Guy Gadowsky

Summary

Spittin’ Chiclets Episode 606 (Dec 19, 2025): Featuring Zeev Buium & Guy Gadowsky

Main Theme & Purpose

Episode 606 digs into a historic moment for Spittin’ Chiclets: the podcast’s new partnership with Netflix. The crew — Ryan Whitney, Paul “Biz” Bissonnette, Rear Admiral, Yans, and producer Grinnell — recap the journey from humble beginnings to streaming stardom, address fan concerns about the change, and discuss what the future holds for the show and its community. The episode then shifts gears to major NHL milestones, notable franchise moves, and in-depth interviews with rising Canucks defenseman Zeev Buium and Penn State head coach Guy Gadowsky, covering everything from big-league trades and college hockey evolution to personal growth on and off the ice.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Netflix Announcement & Fan Response

• [06:46–13:52]
  • The hosts announce that Spittin’ Chiclets will now be available on Netflix video alongside Pardon My Take and The Ryan Ro Show.
  • Whitney and Biz reflect on getting the call from Dave Portnoy:
    • “Just the fact that, like, we started this thing…a hammy down GoPro camera.” (Whitney, 07:13)
  • There’s banter about Grinnell thinking "hand-me-down" was "hammy down," spawning laughter and playful jabs (“That’s a Plymouth State education,” Fish, 08:05).
• [09:46–13:52]
  • Hosts address the mixed reaction:
    • A vocal minority of fans angry about the switch from YouTube to Netflix for video episodes.
    • Biz: “If you’re that big of a fan and you’re happy for us…if you don’t want to buck up and pay the $15 a month in order to support us, we’re okay with that. But coming in with the mud to slander…that’s where you lose me.” (Biz, 19:45)
  • The majority of content—Sandbaggers, vlogs, Chiclets U—will remain free on YouTube and social media.
  • RA, Yans, and Fish stress their gratitude for the community and the journey.
  • Notable Quotes:
    • “Without you guys listening…we really are nothing.” (Whitney, 14:58)
    • “This is a dream come true. Our work is going to be on Netflix.” (Fish, 23:40)

Memorable Moment

• Fish’s “Hand-me-down” mix-up and resulting group roast [07:53–09:05].

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2. NHL Milestones: Draisaitl’s 1000th Point & More

• [30:16–41:33]
  • Whitney salutes Leon Draisaitl, who becomes the first German player to reach 1,000 NHL points, making the Oilers the first NHL team with five players reaching that milestone.
  • The hosts discuss Greger’s in-depth article on Draisaitl’s upbringing and the obsessive determination of hockey superstars.
    • “The true superstars—the Sids, the McDavids, the Leons, the McKinnons—they, they are born with it.” (Whitney, 32:25)
  • Emphasis on how generational talents like Draisaitl, McDavid, Sidney Crosby, etc., are “built different” from a young age.
  • On the Oilers’ and Penguins’ historic point chases (Sidney close to passing Mario Lemieux and hitting 2,000 points):
    • “It’s just 20 years of over a point per game. How do you even explain it?” (Whitney, 47:50)
• [46:52–49:51]
  • Penguins’ playoff worries, Crosby’s adaptability, and the possibility of another historic run.
  • Early Stanley Cup predictions: “I think Florida’s going back to the Cup. Who out there right now doesn’t think Florida is going to do it? They look unbeatable again.” (Whitney, 49:01)

Notable Quotes

• “You celebrate anything in life, you do it—especially that.” (Biz, on the bench-emptying celebration for Draisaitl, 36:28)
• “He’s so big and dominant, but he takes hits to make plays…his ability on the backhand, probably after Crosby, is the best in the world.” (Whitney, 39:13)

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3. Inside the NHL: Buffalo, Franchise Valuations, and Ice Time

• [51:40–56:53]
  • Buffalo Sabres’ front office shakeup: New GM Jarmo Kekäläinen lays down the law (“Everyone is under the microscope,” 53:24).
  • Discussion around Alex Tuch’s rumored contract demands and the broader challenges of roster building in small markets.
  • Penguins’ recent $1.8 billion sale:
    • “Good for them, good for them to do that. The rich get richer.” (Biz, 59:59)
  • Managing star players’ ice time:
    • "That extra minute and a half, two minutes…and that ice time you’re not getting from your coach is irritating." (Biz, 45:09)

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4. Zeev Buium Interview – From Shock Trade to Canucks Fresh Start

[63:23–87:41]

Zeev on the Trade

• Describes learning about the trade as a complete shock, fearing initially he was being sent down (“He was like, ‘Hey, I got bad news’…I was like, oh God, I’m about to get sent down.” 63:50).
• Credits Wild GM Billy Guerin for honesty and support.
• “You kind of look at the bigger picture…maybe, you know, I can come here and be that guy and bring that element to it.” (67:01)

Locker Room & Mentorship

• Heartfelt about leaving Minnesota’s veteran group; Zach Bogosian as a mentor (“He took me under his wing, always invited me to his house…he wanted me to be a part of it.” 71:04).
• Adapting to Vancouver and learning from new teammates like Garland, Heronic.

Development Details

• Discusses being coached by Adam Foote:
  • “You gotta be like a cat out there…always on your toes, in position, kind of ready to pounce on anything.” (82:02)
• On NHL’s higher intensity, learning from playoff pressure in Minnesota and the need to “find space.”
• Locker room personalities: Bo hated Seattle, Garland is funny, yo-yo tricks on the road.

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5. Guy Gadowsky Interview – Penn State, College Hockey's Future, & Gavin McKenna

[92:59–132:57]

• Coach Gadowsky reflects on building Penn State’s hockey from the club level to national prominence, emphasizing community, alumni, and student participation.
• On Penn State’s growth: “From day one…Penn State is a little different when it comes to support and resources and alumni getting behind you.” (94:50)
• Handles immediate Frozen Four excitement, balancing expectations with 17-year-old superstar Gavin McKenna.
• On McKenna:
  • “The way he manipulates time and space is really weird…He just does so many things at elite level…Anything on the backhand side of his stick, it’s insane.” (118:31)
• Dialogue on the evolving world of college hockey:
  • Transfer rules and NIL (Name, Image, Likeness).
  • The talent influx and NCAA as a copycat league ("We're very much, I think, coaching is very much a copycat profession." 114:55)
• Announcing a new USA College all-star team heading to Spengler Cup in Switzerland.

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6. Hockey Headlines, Culture & Pop

• [138:31–154:02]
  • Rear Admiral’s "RA’s World": historical NHL tidbits, favorite and least favorite Christmas movies, reminiscing about Blockbuster and Netflix’s origins.
  • “Jack Frost” is panned: “I basically, I'm not going to knock on G., but it was like a movie for, like, seven-year-olds who got kept back three times already” (R.A., 153:00)
  • Emotional tribute to Blues alum and cancer fighter Kelly Chase (“He has surpassed that by light years, the way that he’s handled this situation…” Biz, 150:06)
• Rangers’ long-overdue tribute to Chris Kreider; Penguins’ policy on honoring ex-players.
• Talk about the tradition and criteria for NHL video tributes.
• Picks of the week: NHL and NFL betting lines, and a movie recommendation—Thief (1981).

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Notable Quotes & Moments with Timestamps

• "We started with a hammy down GoPro camera." – Whitney [07:13]
• “This for me…this is a dream come true. Our work is going to be on Netflix.” – Fish [23:40]
• “He’s so big and dominant, but he takes hits to make plays…on the backhand, probably after Crosby, is the best in the world.” – Whitney [39:13]
• “This second career of ours is the opposite [of the NHL]…without you guys listening…we really are nothing.” – Whitney [14:58]
• "He wanted me to be a part of it…wanted me to not miss out on anything, because at the end of the day, you’ll remember the stories and the good times and the laughs over any hockey games unless you really win a cup." – Zeev Buium [71:04]
• “You gotta be like a cat out there…on your toes, ready to pounce on anything.” – Adam Foote, relayed by Buium [82:02]
• “Anything he does on the backhand side of his stick, it’s insane.” – Guy Gadowsky on Gavin McKenna [118:31]
• “You can’t be doing that. You gotta stand in the fire—that’s why you get paid the big bucks.” – Biz, on Seattle shutting out reporters [142:36]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Netflix Announcement & Reaction: 06:46–28:50
• Leon Draisaitl’s 1,000th Point / NHL Milestones: 30:16–49:51
• Buffalo, Franchise Ownership, & Ice Time: 51:40–59:59
• Zeev Buium Interview: 63:23–87:41
• Guy Gadowsky Interview: 92:59–132:57
• Pop Culture, Christmas Movies, RA’s World: 133:50–154:02
• Tributes: Kelly Chase, Chris Kreider, Video Tributes: 148:06–146:35

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Flow & Tone

The hosts maintain their signature irreverent, candid, and riotously funny tone, using insider knowledge, self-deprecation, and banter to both celebrate hockey culture and dig into the business and human side of the sport. The heartfelt gratitude for listeners and behind-the-scenes team members is authentic, and long-form interviews highlight both technical details of the game and the personalities shaping hockey’s future.

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For New Listeners & Diehards Alike

Whether you’re interested in the business boom behind the Chiclets phenomenon, NHL star power and locker room culture, the young guns changing the game at both pro and college levels, or just want to laugh through sprawling tales of yo-yos, mispronounced idioms, and childhood movies, this milestone episode is a must-listen.

Transcript

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

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[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

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[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

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[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Me and Ryan have been officially welcomed to the jungle that is Barstool Sports.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

I brought it toward the Coyotes and I asked them if it was okay if I joined the Spit Chickens podcast full time.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Ryan Whitney's got a pink Whitney out there now. Keith Yandel, the song man is a full time member. Marley just got an assist from Chris Beat.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Whoa. We're buzzing right now.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

What is up folks? Welcome to episode 606 of the Spitting Chicklets podcast. We're all rocking the same lid while the same sort of lid biz has a different color scheme. But what is going on folks?

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

You know what next episode is.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

607. People get so mad.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Oh yeah, we just lost half our followers. The other half that are actually still around.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Well, we'll get into that in a sec. But first we do need to mention biz. This episode is sponsored by Discover, the official credit card of the National Hockey League. No matter if your team wins or loses, Discover is there for you with cash back on all of your post game purchases. With the Discover it card, you can earn cash back on every purchase. So celebratory wings just got even better. A little tastier. Learn [e-mail] credit card cash back on team gear Cash back on tickets, Cash back on fries. It don't matter. There's cash back involved. The Discover NHL Winter Classic is taking place on January 2, 2026 in Miami, Florida. Tune in on TNT. Get cash back on every purchase with the discover it card link. Learn [e-mail] credit card and I will say this. We have a chance, and it's not definite. We have a chance to bring something to you out of winter classic that you couldn't guess if you had 67 million guesses. So let me tell you right now, be prepared for a possible very, very special event.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

We can't tease the potential of it even happening.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

No, I'm not. I'm not. I. But. But put it this way, everyone who's thinking anything right now won't be able to think of what is maybe possible.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

There's a clue. That's the only clue.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

This likes being teased.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Oh, yeah, he does. He does. And choked.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Bring out the feathers.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Sorry, sorry.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Bring out the hot candle wax.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Yup, yup, yup. Maybe. Yeah, just pour it all over your chest. Yeah, that's your style.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Yeah, yeah. Poured on my.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Where are you at right now, busy boy?

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

I'm actually. I was just gonna ask if you could hear the. The horns going on one of the cruise ships. I'm actually at the pack rim right now in Vancouver, British Columbia. A bunch of the. The boys are having a boys lunch on Friday to celebrate the holidays. I wanted to come up here, get a little bit of work done and obviously see Jeff, Pasha and. And my fun crew that I hang out in the summer. Why are you laughing like that when I said Pasha?

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

I'm laughing when you said I'm up at Vancouver because I want to get some work done and I see your workbench right behind you. So I know boys lunch would lead into some work. You know, Keith grinding over his desk and his papers and his pen.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Yeah.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

So that.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

That's one of the best hotels in the game, though, the pack room.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Yeah.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

I actually like that western Bay shore, too, that we always.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

That was.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

What do you mean? It was grimy. We had that lunchroom that had. It had everything. And they would have the best salmon we would have on the road, like Fisher is to die for. And you could look out to the water. You could see the. The mountains in north Vancouver and that they always used to have us on the same floor. And this is during, like, the coyotes heydays. And we were always. That was when we made playoffs three years in a row. So we would always win and stick around for that, like, a couple days. We would always make it like a home base. And, oh, we would go to the Roxy. We'd come back like Everybody's doors would be open. We'd all be hanging out on the floor. And it was just a. This was one of our awesome road cities that we would get to. I always felt like Yan's. We were in Chicago and Nashville a lot, and Nashville was the one where all the veterans would come out because, you know, we had, like, we had a lot of vets where they weren't out boozing like me every night. Like, you would far and few between see him out having fun on the road. And that was even one where donor would come out was in Nashville, so. Oh, yeah, those were. Those were our hub cities.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

So that's because, like, when we were younger, we were. We were going to clubs, but then you go to Nashville, and I remember too, being like the older guys. I was out in Nashville, but it was great music, so it wasn't like the. The hero act scene that us young guys were into. It was like, hey, let's go grab a bar stool and listen to some sick live music from somebody that has a chance of ending up being like a famous musician. So there was a difference in the. In the old guy's mentality in Nashville.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Yeah, I loved obviously both, but it's crazy to look back on the fact that I, like, I would go to clubs all the time. You couldn't catch me dead in a club. I was just at that charity event in. In Aspen and they had like, this, like, a club set up for the one night I was in there for 30 minutes. I was asking people if they had earplugs.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Like, remember the one in Chicago we.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Used to go to?

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

I think it was called Underground.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Oh, yeah.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Oh, it was just an absolute.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Oh, it was a war zone in the whole. Buddy, buddy, you're sweating your off. It was just. Yeah. Everything going on in there, but yeah, boys, other than that.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

What.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

What do you want to get into now, Woody?

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Well, I think we. We got to. We got to, you know, talk about the. The big announcement that.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

That broke.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Broke, broke over. I think it was, what, Wednesday? Yeah, because it's Thursday right now. We're going to Netflix. We are going to Netflix. Pardon my take the Ryan Ro show and Spitting Chiclets are now on our video going to be a part of Netflix. And kind of crazy when Dave called you and I biz, I want to say it was about three weeks ago, maybe. Yeah, maybe a little.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Yeah, a little longer.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Maybe a little. Maybe a month ago. And. And just was like, hey, this is an option. Like, what do you guys think? And we were Both blown away, right? Like, bunch of questions right away. And kind of curious like, whoa, I didn't even know Netflix was in the podcast game. But just the fact that like, we started this thing, biz wasn't there. Ra Myself, Grinnell, we had a. We had as what Grinelli called a hammy down. Yeah, hand me down GoPro camera. When he wrote H A M M Y, I, I thought he was a typo. And. But. But then I was like, oh, my God, this fucking idiot thought that Hand me down was Hand me down. Now when you say it, you really could kind of understand what he's going through. But he replied, I think at 6pm I tweeted, I can't stop thinking that Mike Grinnell thought Hand me down was Hand me down. And he said, Plymouth State Education. So a little shot at his school.

[Fish (Fish or Fishy)]

Gee, that's more text about this than anything we've ever done with spitting chiclets. Like my 10 year career here. People. People are just baffled that I thought it was Hand me down. Have you guys ever wrote note him Hand me down? I never.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

I'm with you. I'm with you on this G. No.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

It'S just one G where I thought like, you got made fun of. No doubt. But there was. There was more comments than I thought. Like, oh, I kind of thought that that was it as well.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

I didn't skip a beat after I read it. And if anything, I think they should change it.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

You don't count. You don't.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

They should change it to Hand me.

[Fish (Fish or Fishy)]

I think I'm right.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Yeah.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Okay.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

It's almost like your trailer park moment. Your trailer.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

I somehow lost this. I. I'm now the loser in this convo. But you three are all idiots. So I still know that I'm winning prep school. BU 3 years grade point average. Not necessarily phenomenal, but I knew it was hand dash me dash down. So I'll stick to my guns and say that I'm still correct. But you guys can live in your world of hands.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

There's. There's a lot of English things that I get. I used to think it was two peas in a pot, where it's two peas in a pod, like, because they're in those pods. So that's. I guess that's an easier one than hand me down. Like that one is kind of like that one's. Yeah, that's borderline R word.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

So G. Very funny. Very funny. In a big announcement and you know, like in, like in anything these days. There's. There's people who I I think we're saying, hey, congratulations, like, great for you guys. And there was people who were furious. Big mad, as they say, biz. I'm kind of going to throw it to you first, like, kind of explain your thoughts and where we're at right now.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Yeah. So I don't think we should give like the time and attention right off the hop to maybe like the 5, 10 or 10% of people who somehow don't have Netflix. And who. I guess you. You would question, like someone being a fan if they're not happy for you when you're having success and, and you know, you're building towards, you know, bigger and better things. We'll get to, you know, talking about that afterward. But I guess my brain first off just kind of went to being thankful and grateful for the people on our team and our staff. Like, you know, I remember when Erica Nardini, who's no longer with Barstool and. And Gaz and some people behind the recommended that we start putting our. Our podcast on video. And obviously I was furious.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

I was furious when that happened. I remember being like, no, no, I don't want.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

We're gonna lose follow.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

I'm disgusting. I have to then like, somehow look decent. Like, I still can't do it, but go ahead. I'm sorry.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Yeah, Yeah, I gotta put this baked between two years.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Yeah, it was just. It was a. It was a pot. It's a podcast.

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

Yeah.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

And then obviously like G being the producer, having to act on that and it Putting more work on his plate and as well as, you know, memes who has been around along for a while, Pasha, Fish, Nick, Berta, like the whole crew that we currently have. Julia who helps with Pink, Whitney, so Ra Yan's, like, everyone. Everyone who's on our team. Right? So that's first where my. My mind went to be thankful and grateful for all you guys. And then my thought went to like, how are we even in this position? Barstool in general. Right. And the. The people who before the company was as the. As big as it is now, who helped lay the foundation. Like the Foreplay guys, Rigsy, Trent and Frankie who were there since the beginning, the chicks in the office, girls, the. The. The list goes on and on. I mentioned Gaz. Like, you guys could think of a million more people who have been involved at Barstool from the beginning, who once I said brick by brick, obviously Dave being the centerpiece of all that and finding all this talent that have helped grown this company to the size that it is now to eventually put us in the situation that we're in now to get linked up with Netflix. And I couldn't be more grateful for the opportunities that in the doors that I think it's going to open moving forward. And I think that it is going to happen along with putting sandbaggers on there. Chiclets you. Now I know there's a lot of questions from our hardcore fans, like what's going to happen with those, those sandbaggers, Chiclets, you, the vlog, game notes, all of that in video form will remain on YouTube so you can go watch that and consume that for free. Also, I feel like a lot of the people that do complain, especially with us moving to Netflix, are also the same people that were complaining about YouTube ads because they didn't pay for YouTube Premium. Well, once again that solution can be solved by you paying for a premium product on that platform to avoid all those ads that constantly come up while.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

You'Re consuming that, that aren't even ours. That's YouTube.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

That's, that's, that's YouTube. Right. But once again, like, I just want to thank all the, the, like the support from all the people who have been with us since the beginning and once again all the Barstool staff and I'll hand it over to you or Yans if you want to keep and, and, and it's also not just the talent who have helped us lay the foundation from a Barstool perspective. It's when we go do the Chicklets Cups live event, Lisa and that and her whole staff and all those people who help with that, all the people who had helped set up our Pink Whitney events, all the people who I like the spiders, the larges, like you could probably name off 50 more people off the top of your head who have, who have helped us get to this point from Barstool in the. And the army that it is. So I just want to express my gratitude to all those people on that side who have helped facilitate us and the fact that we've been able to grow even before Netflix happen. So I'll hand it over to Yans and you before we kind of dive into, to the hate so to speak.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

When you guys called me and obviously I'm new to this, I'm small fish, big pond. But I couldn't have been more proud of you guys. Just what you, you put into this, what you've, you know, given us. I was a fan before and I think it's such an amazing opportunity for everyone involved. And yeah, it basically be like getting A call to play in the NHL if you weren't in. If you were in some random league and you just said no, like, you. This is an opportunity you got to take. Like, Netflix is such a huge player in the game, and I think it's amazing, and I think you guys deserve a lot of credit and for what you've done and what you've given back to hockey, what you've, you know, given, you know, fans every single week. So I think it's something you should be super proud of yourselves for and. And, you know, really be. Be happy and whit.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

The KFC radio like. Like Feidelberg.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

First pod.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

What's that?

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

The first. The first pod.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

They were the first ones, right? Kfc, obviously. Pardon my take Big. All those guys, like, so pft. I just. I can't keep snapping the lover out more to the love around. To the guys and girls at barstool.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Yeah. And in terms of snapping the love around, I was thinking about this last night. So all of us, our dreams came true of reaching the NHL, right? Like, and when you look back at the end of your career, there are. There are many people that you owe thanks to, and you see different speeches, whether it's a Hall of Famer or somebody who played five games in the NHL, like, their dream came true, and there's people who help them along the way. But a lot of times, most of that, like, ability to get to that level is within you, and it's what you did, and it's what you put in and it's what you sacrificed, and it's all those things that, while getting help, no doubt you were the one that got it done. This second career of ours is the opposite, where without you guys listening right now and watching, we really are nothing. So you look back at the NHL and, like, I take a lot more credit for what I did playing hockey than what I've done as a podcaster. Because without you guys, there's literally nothing. There's no pod. There's no. There's no anything. It's just. It was a. It was an idea and a thought that turned into something that's beyond my and Keith and Biz's wildest imagination. I hope. I hope you know, we're. We're being honest. Like, when. When at least personally, this thing started, I was literally going over to RAS to shoot the shit about hockey just to get out of the house. I didn't have kids. I didn't know what I was going to do. All right, well, this is something. And. And I, I was a barstool fan, and I don't know, like, not a plan, not an idea, not even a thought to make any money. Like, I, I, I, I truthfully telling you that. And then as it progresses and it gets bigger and Biz hops on, it's like, wow, we have something pretty, pretty special here. And all the guys have done interviews, but I come back to the fans and more fans and more fans and a guy telling his buddy and another guy telling another buddy, and all of a sudden, like, we've grown up as podcasters and as people in our second careers with, with you as fans. So when we got this news and we got this opportunity, like, I'm not gonna sit here and say that me and Biz didn't think, like, oh, like, it kind of does, like, screw over if you don't have Netflix. Some of the people who watch on YouTube now, I'll also go into the fact that I've always thought it's kind of crazy. And this is, this is me personally that, like, people watch podcasts now. Thank God they do, because that's why we, you know, we do what we can, and we're able to now go to Netflix. And that's how so many podcasts have become successful. But I listen to them and this was an audio podcast. That's how it began. That's how it ran. And then as video became the thing, we obviously got into YouTube.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

YouTube.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

But I don't want you to think that we didn't sit around and say, like, oh, some people, some people are going to be rattled. But at the same time, like, for me, if I, if I was a fan of, of something or someone, and they kept growing and they kept moving and they made a move that maybe I didn't agree with, I wouldn't then say, like, oh, fuck it, sellout it, scumbag. Some of the messages I've gotten, and this is a, this is a vocal minority. I, as biz, said I'd be happy for them. I might be bummed out a little bit, but I'd be happy. And the fact is that, like, I'm not going to sit here and say, oh, like, there wasn't way more money involved. Like, we got paid more money. Like, that's a fact now. G's going to make more money. Pasha is going to make more money. Merle's army, everyone's going to make more money like that. We're going to make more money. And if you're sitting around calling me a sellout, all right, I'm a fucking sellout, then I don't give a fuck. I really don't. I'm saying that in telling you how much I appreciate every single person who's ever watched this show, who's ever tuned in, whoever has commented, liked, watched, subscribed, it doesn't matter now. Sometimes, like, you kind of agree to disagree. And if. And if you now hate us so much that you don't want to watch anymore, that sucks, and I'm bummed out to hear it. But that's your decision, and I respect it. And if you want to keep riding with us and you want to get Netflix or you'd rather just maybe listen to the audio instead, thank you so much. We appreciate it, but you can never please everyone. And this is something that came from nothing, that has turned into something very special that I will think of myself more as the one of the hosts of Spitting chiclets When I'm 70, 80 years old, God willing, than I will that I was a hockey player. So I'm very long winded here.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

No, you're breaking this down. Unreal, dude.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

I just want to say thank you to everyone, and if you're upset, I am sorry. I'm not saying sorry. Not sorry. I'm. I'm sorry. But we made a decision. I hope you still ride with us. That would mean the world to us. And if you don't, no hard feelings.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

No hard feelings. It's just. It's more about the, like, the nasty message coming back, like you said, where it's like, oh, so we've gone to two a week. We got all these guys behind the scenes grinding their off, and then you expect them to just like, not take this opportunity. And it. It's also like, it's. It. It wouldn't just be leaving an opportunity to, like, make sure these guys are taken care of financially. Where we're hoping it opens up the door to get, you know, better interviews, maybe more opportunities for. For different guests for sandbaggers. Maybe that gets amplified and we do more of them. You know, G's been doing these Chiclets use that have been doing great as far as views. Like, maybe they're interested in that and they're willing to fund more of those types of trips for him to go do so you can consume more. And also, like, we're not holding the gun to your head and say, sign up for. For Netflix, like, just to listen and watch our podcast. Like, there are so many more talented actors and shows and things that. That Netflix has to offer outside of our podcast. And another thing too, it's like we also made the decision based on the fact that 80% of our, our listenership overall, so including if it was video form and or audio, are listening on audio. And then also assuming that, what, like 70% of the population has Netflix. So, like, yeah, there's a small percentage of you that are quote, unquote, getting hoes. But it's like, if you're that big of a fan and you're happy for us and our success, like, if you don't want to buck up and pay the $15 a month in order to support us, we're okay with that. But coming in with the mud to slander the fact that, that everybody's hard work shouldn't be rewarded. I just don't think that, that you're honest in saying that you wouldn't be doing the same. And that's kind of where, that's where you lose me.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

That's perfectly well said. And like Biz mentioned, like sandbaggers and everything else, it remains on YouTube. Ideally for us, we bring those over to Netflix, not exclusively, though those will forever be on YouTube. That's free. And, and the Chiclets, you and the vlogs. And also like our Twitter. And, you know, maybe everyone's not on Twitter, but like Instagram and Twitter, all of our clips from the shows and the interviews are still on there. And I think a lot of people kind of consume a lot of our content on the clips. So, Biz, I like what you said. Like, if, if, if you, if you hate us now, I honestly, I, I'm not being rude. I don't care.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

I don't give a.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

And I wish, I wish you didn't. But, like, good luck to you. No hard feelings. And, and we'll, we're not, we're not going, we're not going anywhere. We're still going to be bringing you the best content we can.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

And there might be. I believe that Nets Netflix has about 90 million users, like, people that have signed up, like, on average, maybe just.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

In North America too.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Maybe that's just in North America. So the amount of, of exposure that it might bring to hockey with us being on there now where people are like, oh, like, what's going on over here? That we also look at that like an opportunity. So I just don't really, I can't, I can't reason with you. If, if your idea is that we're kind of hosing you. If you're that 5 to 5 to 10% of the minority that are like, extremely angry about this. Because let's keep in mind here, like, we started this as a just audio podcast in which once again, you're getting free on all platforms, you're still getting the, the sandbaggers, you're still getting the Chiclets used, you're still getting all the clips on social media, which we' so literally, we're taking one thing, quote unquote, away for you that you can still pay to go watch, which also provides you all these other amazing things that this company was willing to buck up and pay us for the work that we're putting in. And once again, we've went from one to two a week and we're bringing you a lot of entertainment, or at least we try. So I feel like we've been, we've been long winded, but pretty reasonable and rational about this.

[Fish (Fish or Fishy)]

And if I could just say something for the behind the scenes guys, like when you're in film school and you're learning how to edit the NHL, is Netflix. Like, that is such a, it's such a pipe dream. It's something that you, you almost never feel is achievable. And when I called all of our guys to tell them, hey, we're doing Netflix, like, the excitement in their voices was just something that made us, made me so happy. And it should make all of our fan bases happy. Because, like, this for me, and I can speak for the guys behind the scenes, this is a dream come true. Like, our work is going to be on Netflix. Like, that is, that's what we worked our entire life for. That's why Fish went to the best film school in America. That's why Pasha went to an unbelievable film school in Vancouver. Like, we worked our asses off for this. So for us, it's a dream come true. So anyone out there that's not happy for us, I just feel sorry for you because we're living our dreams right now and we couldn't be happier.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

And some of them are saying with like, like a woke. Oh, you're working with Netflix. Some of these people, man, they live in this, like, they live on this hamster wheel and they just like, they, they're just angry and they want to about it. Oh, you're associated with this company and they, they didn't like one thing this company did at one certain point of time. So if you associate with them, then they'll never. I'll never listen to you again. It's like, man, get off your hamster wheel. You got some major, major brain issues.

[Fish (Fish or Fishy)]

They do allow nudity, though, right? Netflix announced ludity.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

So biz is.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Well, I'll be doing helicopter cock and.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Man on the first episode. Yeah, there you go. A live bomb on Netflix.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Yeah, I thought you made a good point. Just about, like, the community of the, you know, the fans that we have, like, I can't see a world that, you know, everyone isn't, like, the true riders aren't happy for everyone because, like you said, it's growth and it's just bettering ourselves and it's going to better the product. Right. And it's going to be better listening for them. So I. At the end of the day, man, it's a huge, unbelievable opportunity, and you guys should be pumped.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

And. And like biz, there are some people, and it honestly, like, makes me sad. It makes me feel really bad that are just. They're. They're. They're down in the dumps. They're not happy with the way their lives are going and they. And they choose to kind of, like, spread not. It's not hate necessarily, it's just spread being miserable as opposed to just trying to, like, live life the right way. And I'm not saying everyone who's not going, you know, who are going through things, it's not easy. But there's a lot of people I could sense from the comments I was getting that just. Just kind of miserable people, and they're just looking to make other people miserable. And it brings me to my other point. Boys week. Do you remember a couple weeks during weeks ago, I had boys weekend, and I screamed, breeze in Hawaii for six days. Right now, boys. So we're going ham. We're going ham right now. And she left a note, and it was a great note. It was. It was to the boys in the morning, and it said, be kind, work hard, choose joy. And I was like. I texted her, I go, you're a fucking animal. You're a rock star. I said, just a rider read it. And he was like, he loved it. I could tell. It sparked his day. So that's what we're going with. That's. That's the Boys week motto. Thank God the rink's ready. And I'm. That's a babysitter.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

That's a babysitter.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

I'm out here grinding this morning. Got. Got rider up, got him to the bus. He's like 30 minutes from here. So he takes a bus to school. Then I got Wyatt came back, got Wyatt to school. Then I got Cal over to, like, he goes to, like, a Little like a. Like a little play. Play area place, you know, a couple days a week. Then I came back. I gave Yoshi his medicine. I stuck it in a piece of chicken so he like, usually spits it out. But I able. I was able to master it within the chicken where he ate his medicine. Then I took him for a walk. And at this point it's nine and I'm like, I've. I have crushed this day so far. Like, you want to give medals out. You want to have Netflix come on and bring you onto their network. That's what you do in the morning as a father of three young.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

That's why you have that coffee cup that says number one dad right there.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

I also have this coffee cup, which brings us in to a team that's buzzing.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Can I say one last thing, though, Whit? You know, squeaky wheel gets the grease. And I know we just gave a little bit of time and attention to the people bitching, but to. To regurgitate your thanking the. The original ride or dies. And all the people who have followed us and supported us along the way. I think this is a win for all of us.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

And that were happy for us too. That said, congrats.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Yeah.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

And I.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

And I look at this as an opportunity to, like, not only prove the. The haters and the naysayers wrong, but continue to amplify the product for those people who have supported us. And the. The work starts now. Like, every time we've hit these little milestones, it's not like we've taken our foot off the gas. We're just going to continue to try to bring more and better stuff to. To our fans who support us. So I'm sorry to the people who don't want to buck up the 140, $150 a year in order to support something you supposedly love. But you could still listen to it on our. All of our channels from an audio standpoint.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

And you have to look at us.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

And you don't have to look at our.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Perfect.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Exactly.

[Fish (Fish or Fishy)]

So, guys, and real quick, we did mention when we were talking about Netflix Chiclets, you. We did just drop a new Chicklets University episode. It's with Yukon Toscano family ice arena. $73 million they just put into this bad boy. It's absolutely gorgeous. It's brand new. I believe they opened it in 2023. Joey Muldowney gave us the tour name. Sound familiar? Second in the country last year in scoring. So very excited. Go check it out right now on this Spit and Chickless YouTube channel. And it's Coach Kavanaugh. That was actually the one big takeaway I wanted to discuss is Coach Kavanaugh was absolutely incredible. Just so impressive. The program he's built, he infamously was at Boston College. Recruited Kevin Hayes, recruited Jimmy Hayes. So just an unbelievable guy. He's built an unbelievable program. So very, very excited. Fish. We can actually just roll the trailer here, and then you guys can move on.

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

Let's just out to your family on six.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

They gave us the resources to really.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Elevate everything we do here.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

I want you to come here, develop.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

And make 10 million.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Here at UConn.

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

I mean, they got it all.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Now it's time for Hockey talk.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Boom. You're right. Biz Hockey Talk. And that's why I want to just give an incredible congratulations to not only Leon Draisaitl, but the entire city of Edmonton and every person that's loyal to the oil around the world.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

This is.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

This is a global brand biz. The Edmonton Oilers. You know why? They're the first team in NHL history with five players to get 1,000 points with their team. That is the type of team we're talking about. That is a truly great franchise that, while having some dark years, that, unfortunately was. While I was there, have had many, many more magnificent, incredible seasons with players that you couldn't even dream up in your mind. AI couldn't create some of these players, and Leon Draisait was one of them. And I want to shout out Jason Greger, a good buddy of mine who's in Edmonton. He's. He has a podcast on Daily Face Off. He's got a radio show. He's dialed in, knows the game. His nephew's Noah Greger, who's on the Florida Panthers this year. Oh, actually, Keith, congrats. You won the 5050 last.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Oh, yeah. That's crazy.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

That's fucking insane. That is absolutely ridiculous.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

That was so fucking fun.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

If you want to. If you would have won it at an Edmonton game, you could retire. Well, not like.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

I know.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Well, he made, like, 85 million, so.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Yeah, I guess you could.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

All the trainers, when we'd be in the Canadian cities, they'd all, like, get the pot together because the 50 50s are out of control in Canada, right?

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Like, 8 million for one of the cup final games last year.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Yeah, I think it's something crazy.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Edmonton's always been. No great franchises, great 50 50s. So I mentioned Jason Greger. He wrote an awesome article. He went back into Leon Dry Settle's entire life. He interviewed his mom, his dad, his sister, a bunch of teammates, all of his former coaches for Edmonton. So whether it was ken Hitchcock, Todd McClellan, what's his name? That was in Anaheim.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Tip it.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

No. Yeah, tip it. And then who's the guy who took away the donuts?

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Oh, yeah.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Oh, Jesus Christ.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Darryl.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Nice hair.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

What the heck?

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Oh, God.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Come on.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Yeah, the unreal hair. What the.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Yeah.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Dallas.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Dallas. That's not. That's not you. That's us. But the article's sick. And it was talking about. So I didn't know. His dad was a very good player. Played for Germany in the 98 Nagano Olympics. Played, you know, in the. In the. In the league over there. And he was just obsessed with hockey from a young age. Like his mom's talking about, that he would sit in full gear at two and a half and just watch games and just watch hockey. And it's like, it kind of made me think that. And I think I mentioned this last week or a couple weeks ago, that while 98% or 95% of the NHL aren't these generational talents, hall of fame superstars. And maybe fall in love with the game at 12 or become great at 13. The true superstars, the Sids, the McDavids, the Leons, the McKinnon's, they are born with it. And you kind of know right away, I'm. I'm sticking by this. Like when I read this about him and all the stuff about Sid and McDavid playing against 11 year olds when he's 6 or 7, like the greatest of the greats. And Gretzky as a little kid shooting on his grandmother, like, they are born with it and they are created in a lab that is somehow their mother's stomach as well. So Leon was one of those called the placenta. Placenta.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Very good job.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Some women actually, like, turn the placenta into pills after and eat the placenta biz. Yep. Do you know that?

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

No comment.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Well, go check out that.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Literally my multivitamin.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

But the way he did it in Pittsburgh, I was very fired up for that game Tuesday night.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Oh, yeah.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Because since I think at that point, Sid was two or three away from. From tying Mario. That is just something that Penguins fans, like you drafted him and he turned into this Mount Rushmore hockey player. But you still would have been like, oh, I don't.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

I don't think.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

I don't think he's touching Mario's record for points. And he's gonna break it. He's probably gonna Crush it. Especially if he remains there his entire career. So you had that, and you had McDavid on this run and Leon looking for his thousandth point. And what do you know? It's Jari versus Skinner.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Unreal.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

And the puck goes in and they're celebrating. Now, I, as an Oilers fan, I can even admit I was like, you're emptying the bench for a thousand points.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Absolutely.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Keith's comment was that the entire arena of fans should come on the ice for a thousand points. That's ridiculous.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

For 100 goals, I got everybody in the hall of Fame, right? Like, like, you should be celebrating these types of achievements, Yance.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

100%. Like, the, the work that's gone in the years of staying healthy. Like, not to mention, the guy's still only, what, he's 30 years old. Like, I mean, he's still on a good clip here. Like, and we got a lot more years. Hopefully his next thousand points.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

I'll.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

I'll go on the ice for that as well. But I, I. It's just one of those things where I'm sure the player doesn't love it. Like, because all hockey players are kind of, you know, built from the same cloth. They don't want that attention on them. But as a teammate in biz, where you know that, like, when other guys get accolades, it's your teammates, when you see how happy they are, when they're celebrating you. Like, I'll never forget when I played my thousandth game. Like, you see, guy, like, guys are just, like, giving you a hug because they know what it takes and stuff like that. Like, even when Shane Dong, he finally got a hat trick, dude, I was.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Just gonna mention that.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

And then Mike Smith, when he got a goal, we went out that night like we won the Stanley Cup. It was like, those are some of my funnest nights of. Just like, when your. When your teammate does something that you know 95% of the league is never gonna do, and you're a part of it, it's the coolest thing, and that's what I love about the game. And I love the fact that you're Old man yelling a cloud that you don't like that. But it's. I, I think it's just like, whoa.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

I didn't expect it. I didn't expect it.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Oh, yeah.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Biz the facts.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

What, Was it your dad who said it?

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

No, he's calling me old man yelling at the club.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Oh, okay.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

We're coming off the bench for a thousand points.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Yeah. Oh.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

I mean, I think that you any chance you get to celebrate anything in life, you do it especially that. And I just think that you could just tell the morale is so high. And you know, they had those T shirts teed up with the Sigs ready to go. So that's what I think actually the boys are more exc. About. We're smoking the Jimmies after the game. But I agree with you. And. And he's also like, he's made that organization a lot of those guys lives very easy in the fact that he's helped carry them to back to back Stanley cup finals. And just the. You know, you talk about those types of players and they're so hyper focused and they put every fiber of their being into be being the greatest hockey player. And you know how much it. It means to him. And. But yet they don't like the. They don't like the attention like that. So it's just remarkable how these guys are built and how they're program. And sure enough, after that morale boost, what does McDavid do the next shift? Like probably less than 10 seconds later. 10 and 2 and around the D, man, and boom. To the back end of the net for. For dry SEIDL's thousandth and one point. So first ever German player to do it. So that also has to mean a lot for him for his country and where he came from in order to. To. To put them on the map like he's continued to do. And just like the evolution of. Of of German hockey. Like, you know, like there's more and more guys coming up, right? And he's one of those guys. He's gonna be Germany's Gretzky.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

He is already. He is already German player ever.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

So that has to just mean so much to him coming from where he came from. And it was remarkable to see. I couldn't be happier for the guy. And hey, it goes back to. Some guys get it all. A. He has one handsome. He is a stallion. He. I would never let my wife in a room alone with that guy.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Some of the most underrated hair in the game too. His hair is always facial hair.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

The hair.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

Yeah.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Probably the article Baseball bat horn.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

He's gone talking about.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Yeah.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Oh, for sure. Yeah. And he could probably do a piss bomb because he's European. But he. One of the coaches. It might have been. McClellan said what he loved about him was he'll play any way. Like, he's like, all right, you're running into a night where a team's like, let's skill this thing up. I Got it. And hey, we're running into a team that's like, we're gonna muck it up and this is gonna be a battle zone. I got that too. And I kind of thought about it after. Like, he is. He's so big and like dominant, but he takes hits to make plays. He drags guys in. And then the backhand, his ability on the backhand probably aft. I'm gonna give it to Crosby, obviously after that. I think the best player in the world on his backhand. Partly to do with him having a legit like 2x4 as a stick and a blade. But like, even his. His mum was talking about, he's like 5 years old and he would just like take the. The top of like a. He'd take a bottle cap and then like find a stick. He'd be just like shooting the bottle cap, stick, stick. Handling the bottle cap. When he had time off, his dad's like, what do you want to do? They'd go to random parking lots and like put a net and he would just shoot and stick handle balls at like 7 years old. Like, like you said, Biz put every single part of his life into this game. And so to see that happen and to see the player he is and to also talk to Oilers fans if you do. I mean, he's third overall pick. It was. He was after Reinhardt, who was first at your Ekblad, maybe. Yeah, E. Reinhart, him. I think the Oilers were like, you know, excited third pick. But they didn't, they didn't expect this. Like, no, nobody could have expected this. He left home, he left his. His town. Cologne biz. He still hasn't actually come out with the Cologne line. That's an all time Chicklets moment where Biz, if anyone didn't know, looked at his Google page or his bio and saw Cologne, Germany, and then randomly was like, I think he's starting a Cologne because he saw the word Cologne. Very funny moment. So at 13, he, he. He's like, I have to leave. Like, it's. It's not good enough here. I want to go to mannheim, which was three hours away. In the article, it says with two teammates, they got an apartment. They were 13 years old. Like, look kind of crazy to me.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

But that's like, that's where you learned how to smoke.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Well, he had a full beard and a baseball bat. So I mean. Yeah.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

And then he went on, you don't.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Need proof of insurance. We got. We trust you.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

And then in the article, it says that year had 29 goals and 97 assists which is kind of crazy like 29 and 97. Now on the Oilers like the foreshadowing very random like the stats to the numbers of him and him and McDavid but Pittsburgh and, and and Edmond Edmonton, it's been a, it's been a hammer and nail type rivalry. Like Edmonton dominates them. And not only did Dry settle get his thousandth point and first and thousand and two points that game. Good English. I believe McDavid passed Crosby in that game. For most four point games by active players it was McDavid's 4 44th career four point game. So it's like kind of forgot that that McDavid I think is third or fourth fastest to a thousand points in NHL history and Leon's like top 20 in the league. So just generational players that, that we get the chance to watch and you.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Know how many more erm and David going to have. And, and speaking about both, I know too like as much as they get points on one another's goals and they play power play together, they're both of their abilities to play with other guys that maybe might not be up to their standard but yet still get it done and elevate their play is pretty remarkable. Like even like the way that he's took and Pod closing under his wing Leon and like now sometimes Pod Colsing's going to his spot where he score scores off to the side near the goal line. So I just think it's remarkable the way that these high end guys are able to elevate their teammates. And another thing I saw too and I don't think this was AI generated but maybe I'm getting spoofed here but, but obviously a tough situation between you know, Stuart Skinner and the way that he was handled leaving town. Like that's not, that's probably not enjoyable. He's from there. Jari who's also from there gets to go back. So they do the goalie swap and that's probably the, the main topic of conversation going into that game that was on TNT the other night. But after the game just the way that McDavid and Leon like embraced him and, and they love him.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

You could tell.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Yeah. And you know it's just like obviously he's had gone to war together and you talked about you know, you talked about how you know when they get a safe percentage above 900, how successful they are and maybe how you know he had. Has. He's had. Has his struggles or had. Has. Has had. Has had English too. You're Rubbing off on me. Witty. It was just cool to see that. And that the love is not lost and there'll be brothers for life. It just, you know, sometimes business is business. So thought Jari looked good and you know, that was just a peppering by Edmonton on Pittsburgh.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Another thing quick on Leon. And I'm sure like Edmonton fans and true hockey fans, he's. When McDavid's not even playing, he elevates his game to another level too. Like whenever McDavid's been out of the lineup, it's like, okay, obviously you miss him, but you miss him a lot less when you got a guy like Leon. So he's not a guy that's kind of rode anyone's coattails either. He's done it all himself. And no, it's Malcolm Cross.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

I know we don't have have the three cups, but they are so similar in terms of like the way Malkin and draisaitl play and then the speed Sid had at a younger age. And he's changed his game. He's played 20 years. That and McDavid has the speed. It's, it's eerie how similar it all is. And just a little in depth oiler stuff. There was an article by Alan Mitchell in the Athletic. It was interesting. Cause what did I tell you guys do? And the Oilers are now on a run. The Oilers are now humming what did I tell you needed to happen and would happen.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

20 games, 40 points.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Okay, thank you. McDavid in December, he's got seven games. He's got 20 points. So we're looking at possibly after 20 games, it might be 50ish points based on what he's doing. He's in Boston tonight or last night. If you guys listen on Friday, that could be that I'm not going breeze in Hawaii, but yeah, that should be a good one. But the, the article by this Alan Mitchell guy. So his ice time's down, McDavid's ice time down. And it makes a lot of sense. So it's, it's down about a minute a game, even a minute and a half a game in December compared to October and November. And it just makes sense. And people are probably like a minute and a half. It's like, dude, it adds up. It adds up. And your matchups are the toughest you're going to get. And you get 90 seconds less a game. That's just more energy on the bench. The shape they're in, they're recovering quicker. And it kind of. I was, I was surprised because I didn't know that. And that's kind of explained this just explosion he's on right now.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

That's kind of one of my issues. Like sometimes you see Matthews up in the 21, 22 range where I'm like, bump that down. And the same goes the other way. Like I know Philip Deno has now requested a trade out of la, where you notice sometimes the game sheet, he's in that like 15 and a half 16 range where sometimes that extra minute and a half, two minutes and that ice time you're not getting from your coach is irritating because that's you getting in your rhythm a little bit more time in between shifts to, to not get in that offensive rhythm. So I'm telling you that the ice time thing is a very fickle conversation about how much you should get or shouldn't be given. And I agree with you. I think that Edmonton, especially how heavy they lean on them as the playoffs go on, the more you can conserve their energy now, the better. And if you have a well built team, they shouldn't be playing 21, 22 minutes. They should be in that 19 range where they're more effective. What was the other, especially in an.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Olympic year too, like the, the condensed.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Schedule, they don't care about that. But. Yeah, I know, but we talk, we.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Talked about it earlier in the year when Minnesota was struggling, when Caprisov was playing 24 minutes a night. It's like, man, when is too much, too much, you know, it's like you got to be at that perfect amount. And that's what takes a good coach to figure that out and implement that. And, and then the player can't get pissed off, right? Because obviously everyone wants to play the most that you can, but when the coach knows how many minutes you should be playing, your production that you're going to get, like, that's a huge, huge, huge asset to have.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Whit, did you want to just quickly talk about Crosby about to hit 1800 points? He would be the second fastest player all time to do so, other than Wayne Gretzky.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Yeah, I think it's, it's, it's a no brainer now. I don't know if anyone thought 2000 points would be touched. Sid's gonna get it, Connor's gonna get it. I mean, God, Leon's 30. Like fuck, he might get it. But it's just, it's just amazing to see. And it's, it's now at the point though, with Pittsburgh, the questions are going to come up again. Magical start. They've lost Six in a row. I think three of them have been overtime or shootout losses where they're getting a point, but they are out of the playoffs right now. That kind of sucks to see, because what had happened in Pittsburgh and Muse comes in and, And Malcolm was playing incredible. It's like, oh, my God. Like, we're going to get another run here. We're going to get another. Maybe not a run to the cup, but a playoff opportunity. They're. They're struggling, and not having Malkin is. Is bad news. They got to get him back healthy, but Sid is just. It's what We've said it over and over and over again. It's like it's just 20 years of over a point per game. How do you even explain it?

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

A little Maya Culpa. He's a few points away from passing Mario. He's still a little bit away from hitting that 1800 mark, but.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Yeah. Well, how. What? 20?

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

No, no, he's. He's at 1722 overall right now.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Oh, I thought it was 1780. Okay.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Yeah. I thought he was a little farther along, too. That's why. Maya Culpa.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

But he's getting 2,000.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

He's getting. I think he's getting there, too. No doubt. I think. I actually think this won't be his last Olympics. That's my hot take.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Love it.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

I think he's gonna play.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Yeah, you've been saying that.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Well, buddy, you think, you think he's gonna let Marshawn play past him? They're buddies, are training.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Very true.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Nate's gonna still be going. He ain't retiring.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

I know. Bunzo. On our group chat, Keith was like, I can't believe Marshawn has, like, 17 or 18. Like, whatever he had. I think he has 16, 17, 18.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

He's got 19 now.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

He's incredible. And also, I, I, I went on, pardon my take. It's going to be out Wednesday. And they, they. We were. It's their NHL preview. It's the earliest they've ever done their NHL preview. And he's like, all right, give me your cup finalists. And I'm like, obviously, Edmonton. But I mentioned the Central. And. And then he's like, all right, what about in the East? And I was thinking. And I'm like. And based on the last two weeks, I think Florida's going back to the Cup.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Yeah.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Yeah.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Who?

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

So I. And I started talking to them. I'm like, all right, so Tampa. But they own Tampa last year. Maybe be different story. Like, who's better than them? And Then Tkachuk's like gonna be rested and then if they get Barkov back, I think that it's gonna be a rematch. I think it's gonna be third time in a row. People are laughing at my Edmonton to take. But who out there right now doesn't think Florida is going to do it? They look unbeatable again.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

The biggest question is the west because how good the Central is, that's the only question. I think the east, if Florida's healthy, they're going back.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

They might have it again.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Yeah, I actually now would love to see a, A, a rematch again. I, I, I just got to see if McDavid and dry Seidl can beat the, the Florida Panthers. This, it would be, I think it would garner it. I think it would be great for ratings.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Oh yeah, that's, oh yeah.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

That to me is, is, is where it's at. But let's hope the Leafs have something to do with it. The, the, you, you did mention the Crosby take about how he doesn't have the same speed as he once did, but how well he's been able to transform his game, which I think is one of the, the more underappreciated things about him, like how he's, how he finds ways to exploit the game. He's around the net doing those tip plays. I can just how he's, he, I compare him to the Tom Brady because it's like when you play quarterback, it's like he cracked the code. He's seen every single defense in the formation and nothing coming at him as a surprise. And that's just where Sid is right now. He's playing with the house's money. And that's why I agree. I think he's hitting 2,000 points and I think he's playing in another Olympics. So that's, that's a remarkable thing about it.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

And like when Sid came in, Keith, before you go, he. The way you see McDavid dart through the middle now and the speed that nobody could comprehend, that was Sid at the beginning.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Yeah.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Did the same exact thing. It was speed that nobody had ever seen before with the puck. So he had that.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Yeah, I was just gonna say his adaptability. The way to, you know, when he first came in the league, though, it was still like that tail end of the clutch and grab, like he was playing against mutant demons like prong the prongers of the world. The, you know, like you can go.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Darien Hatcher was in Philly Hatch.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Yeah, exactly. Playing against him 15 times a year. So. And Then to play, you know, when the game's gotten faster and he's gotten older and still being able to dominate the way that he does. Like, he's just the poster child of the NHL the last 20 years of what he's been able to do. He's put the league, him and OVI put the league on their back when it was in dark times for a few years when we were on the oln and now look at us. It's. It's unreal what they've done for the game.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

And in Buffalo, lucky enough before last episode, the news broke. Kevin Adams was out. Yarmo comes in and, well, he'd been there, but he gets, he gets the GM role. He spoke to the media for 20 minutes. It was actually after Pegula spoke to the media, Pula took no questions. He hasn't taken a question from reporters since 2020, which I found kind of interesting.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

I love that move.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

It's just like, I'm the owner. I'm the owner. I, I can hire 4, 000 different people if I want to. I ain't ever taking your question. Were there people in the room, the playoffs? Yeah, it's.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

It's.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Oh, the whole media outlets there, they.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

All had Covid masks on.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

And he speak, yeah, legit. But he'll, you know, they'll clinch the playoffs at some point. Buffalo, you will. And he'll be like question and answer with Terry pula tomorrow at 3pm at the arena. But I didn't know Kekalan is the first GM he's hired who was a GM previously. Kind of crazy because I think all the guy, you know, Borderell was assistant GM and all that, so. All right, I'm gonna go with the guy who's done this before. Keck Line still spoke for about 20 minutes. He. Some of the quotes that stood out was, we can make the playoffs this year. I mean, what else are you going to say? I mean, I don't necessarily agree with you, Yarmo, but he believes in that. And he said, like, I am looking at everyone. I'm not willing to commit to the coach. I'm not willing to commit to players. We have some great people in here who are awesome at their job, but everyone is under the microscope. And in terms of Alex Tuck, we have to have a number that works for both of us. I want to resign him. He's a great player. Grinelli wrote on the outline, gee, you can hop on that. You read that reportedly, Kevin Adams.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

I don't Know where are you seeing that, bro?

[Fish (Fish or Fishy)]

That was like Sabers Report. It's like a, it's a pretty credible Sabers buff.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Like, so they're Sabers Report, whoever they are, are saying that Kevin Adams told people that Alex Tuck is asking for.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

More than Adrian Kempe around the Adrian Kempe number. And, and once again, like I, we can't confirm or deny that. I feel like the guy just lost his job and he's the meat grinder. So I, I, and, and we did talk about the fact that sometimes when you have an owner who's hands on, it's, it's not free reign, right? You have to okay a lot of things through him. So, and, and, and probably a reason why he'd never hired a GM who'd had experience before. All of a sudden he gets to be the puppet master, right? So, I mean, the guy won't even ask her f answer questions, for Christ's sake. So I don't know what type of truth there is to that. Now, on the flip side, I respect Alex Tuck and his abilities as a player. Do. There isn't a lot of great free agents. Do you see him getting in the 11 range?

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

So what it kept Kemp, he got.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

11 or 10, got 10, 6 or something like that. But still, if he's looking for a little bit more of a bump, let's just assume the number's 11. Is that a, is that a 5 Buffalo deal? Is that an 8 year deal? Like what does that look like?

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Maybe to stay in Buffalo, give them the 10, 11. But elsewhere I'd see it a little lower around the nine range.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

But I love the player 29. He'll be turning 30 in. He'll be, he'll be turning 30 before the season starts of, of this monster deal he's going to get. I don't mind giving him 10 on a shorter term, right? Like I, I, if somebody's given him eight years at, at 10, like, I don't know how that's going to translate looking at his numbers. I mean, last year at 36 goals, 67 points. This year he's at 28 points, 31 games, 11 goals. Awesome player. I would love him on the Oilers, the Wild, fans would love him on the Wild. Everyone wants them this spring. That, that's a big, big ticket for a guy who's just based on stats and age gonna regress a little bit over the course of that contract. So if it's four or five years and he's able to get 50 million, does he want way more Term. A lot of times player. Players do want the term. I don't know though.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

And does he feel like he could be part of the solution in Buffalo? Which going back to what you said about Kekalinan's comments, like I, in. In last pod, I. I mentioned like fuck, it's kind of ugly if, if it continues the way it's been going, you know, maybe trade off some of these guys. I'm totally fine with them keeping the. Some of the core that they have there.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

He's one of the guys I would want to keep.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

I would that way keep Tuck. I would keep Darlene, although I want him in Toronto. Tage Thompson, who's on a ridiculous contract for the next how many ever years, don't like they have. I don't mind that Benson kid. They probably have about six, seven, maybe stretch it to eight pieces that I think are. Are a good solid foundation to create that core and build around. But we've been sitting here talking about that for a long time. So at what point is. Is there a type of major change? Who knows what we'll see the rest of the season. They have been on a bit of a heater since we said that there's.0.0.0% chance that they're making playoffs. You just never know. But let's hope they're at least fighting till the end here and they're relevant enough to. To be in the conversation for the fans of Buffalo. But I'm going to take my comments away of trading some of those guys.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Yeah, I mean you got to start somewhere, right? Like the guys you name. If you look at any team's roster and you have, you know, four legitimate NHL stars like they do. Like, I mean stars might be a little stretch, but like they got legit unreal players. Like you have to start somewhere. They've done the, hey, let's get rid of guys. Those guys go on win championships. They have to build within. You got to keep guys and you got to bring other guys in, obviously drafting well. Like you got to hit home runs on your draft and I don't know man, it's just dark, dark times there. And you wanted, like we said last podcast, we want it to be good there just as much as the people of Buffalo.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Yeah, yeah, no doubt. So you're going to see some, some, some action there. And John Buchegras is teasing towards, towards the Buffalo. I texted a, a buddy that's still playing and well, he actually asked me who was biz saying in the text about who he heard might get the job. And I mentioned it. And then I was like, I mentioned maybe torts, and people have been saying that and the guy said we need torts back in this league. So I kind of found that interesting. You guys never played for him, but that, that cracked me up and I should have mentioned also, this is off of Buffalo when we were talking Pittsburgh biz. I know you're into, you know, investment. You're big into real estate. How's the ROI, which is return on investment for spending $900 million on the penguins five years ago and selling them for 1.8 billion.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

I was, I was shocked at that. That that is the lift that they made, but a really intelligent time to buy. And then you look at where franchise values are at where I think that the NHL is not budging on their price of 2 billion to. To start a new team, like a new franchise. So what a. What a job by them to turn things around. It was a little shaky there at the beginning. Heard there was. There was rumblings that they weren't paying Mario all that he was deserved off the hop. Like, I was hearing some pretty weird shit that was going on. But it was nice to see that they've completely right the shift. They've done right by everybody. They've got the good people in place that are there now. They're winning some games, blowing some. Definitely blowing some leads. But all things are systems go there on for the sale of. Of $1.7 billion. So. So wow. Unbelievable.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

To smart move to sell it now too. Cause I mean, realistically, what if you get five more years of sid like, you saw how it was after Mario, when Mario was going to leave, like, it kind of went down a little bit. So it's a great move by selling it and getting that roi.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

I agree. I don't think that there's. I don't think there's going to be as big of a nut moving forward on these franchises. I think that too much has to go involved in real estate plays in order to develop the whole rank out. You got to do all the condos around it. So I don't know how many more opportunities there are to squeeze that type of lift off these teams. So good for them. Good for them to do that.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Yeah.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

The rich get richer.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Yeah. Dave. David Hoffman, the Hoffman family. So, yeah, I, I wonder. Then all of a sudden, though, you look at like everyone's contract there like, like Dubas. Like, it's not. It's not the owner that hired you, right? Like, yeah, that's a little bit similar to Kekalan and saying everyone's under the microscope, can bring in whoever the hell he wants. But I think you talk to Penguins fans right now, they're pretty happy with Dubas. They love, they loved what they got back in getting rid of.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Yeah, he's in the content game.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Yeah, exactly.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

What's not to love?

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Exactly. So the big trade from Minnesota to Vancouver with Quinn Hughes going to Minnie and Z Bouilliam and Ogren and all the pieces going back to Van so far. Minnesota, the power play with with Hughes is a joke. I saw the Tkachuk brothers their podcast and they were just calling him the best sifter. He had the best sifter in the league. People don't know that's just like you don't need a cannon. Literally get your shot about 18 to 24 inches off the ice past the first guy and then it's a straight up dream scenario for the guy in front because it's not going that fast and it's coming in at the perfect height to tip and that's what Brady said. Quinn Hughes is the master of that and obviously McCarr's so good at that too. It's always a snapshot. But in what Z Bouilliam looked like against New Jersey, it's a lot of excitement for the for the Canucks fans and like what they think could be Quinn Hughes in a couple years along with a bunch of other pieces and he right now is kind enough to join us. This episode of Spit and Chicklets is brought to you by body armor Flash IV. Flash IV delivers faster, longer lasting hydration with over 2000 milligrams of electrolytes and no artificial thighs, flavors or sweeteners like those other drinks. None of the junk. So whether you're training, traveling or just feeling the heat, work hard, hydrate hard with Body Armor Flash IV and grab yours today at a local 711 convenience store. Guys, I want to take a moment and talk about game time. There's nothing like hockey season. The first blast of cold air as you walk into the arena and the roar of the crowd after a big hit, breakaway goal or maybe even a fight. It's electric, but getting there, it's another story. It's a pain cues, price, jumps getting logged out mid click. All you want to do is be there, beer in hand, losing your voice with the crowd and the Game Time app gives the advantage back to the fans. It's the hack for unlocking amazing tickets and experiences in a few taps. It's incredibly easy to Use. And the game time guarantee means you can Trust you'll get 100% authentic tickets on time and at the best price. Plus, fees are always included. So what you see is what you pay. This Saturday, Vancouver Canucks in town to play the Boston Bruins right now on game time. You can get into the building for under a hundred dollars. Take the guesswork out of buying NHL tickets with GameTime. Download the GameTime app today and use code CHICKLETS for $20 off. Your first purchase terms apply again, create an account and redeem code C H I C L E T S for $20 off. Download the GameTime app today. Z.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

What up?

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Up, Z. What's up, buddy? Where are you at right now?

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

We're, we're playing the Islanders tomorrow, so the Garden City Hotel.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Oh, had a lot of great nights at the Garden City.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

First off, you know, like, congratulations on that first game. Dominant out there. Pretty sick to get a point that quick, but take us through the reaction. Right. I know you were driving to go watch Denver play and, and, and give us the, the breakdown of kind of the call with Billy G. And your thoughts after.

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

Yeah, it was crazy. Obviously, a little bit of a surprise. And when Billy called me, actually, originally I thought he was sending me down because I, I mean, I didn't talk to Billy in a while, and then he was like, hey, I got bad news. And like, no trade or anything had ever gone. Like, that wasn't going through my head. I was like, oh, God, I'm about to get sent down. But yeah, no, I mean, obviously, you know, tough phone call. And I mean, I think, you know, when you get, when you get drafted and, and everything, you, you know, you think you're going to be in that place forever and you buy into everything in the culture and, you know, wanting to win there and, you know, kind of got to see the business side of it pretty quickly. So it was obviously crazy and, you know, didn't really know how to feel at first with just, you know, with all the news, but very, you know, excited for the opportunity here with the Canucks and, you know, I think there's, you know, there's opportunity for me and, you know, it's going to be kind of cool to see this team grow and obviously, you know, really thankful for. For everything Minnesota did. I know it was a short period of time, but, you know, kind of kickstarted my NHL career and. Yeah, I mean, I couldn't be more thankful for Billy and everybody there. I think, you know, like I said, a short period of time. Had friends for A lifetime. And you know, like I said, I couldn't thank Billy enough for everything.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

How long does a, like a phone call like that take? Like, are you able to share with what he said? And I guess just got to be so hard. You're such a stud that he drafted and he was probably so excited about it.

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

You know, I don't think I'll share it all, but I think, you know, I think he, he was very honest and, you know, told me it was a, it's a hard call to make and I mean. And yeah, I think we both, like, he was so great to me through everything. Not just hockey wise, but off this, he was great to my family and you know, like I said, he was just, he was just unbelievable to. To me throughout the entire time. And I, I understood right away though. You know, I'm like, it's Quinn Hughes. You know, it's like, you got to take a chance on this guy. They want to win now. They, you know, they have a vision and I respect it. You know, like, there's no, I'm not like sitting here all like, pouty or anything. Like, it's, it's, you know, it's a business at the end of the day, and you have to do what, what you feel is best for the team. And I guess, you know, I, I feel like I, I'm understanding of that for sure.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Ziva, first off, happy Hanukkah. Hope you're enjoying the first couple days of it. But going back to the, the trade too, like for you, going to Vancouver, like now you're the guy, right? Like in, in Minnesota, you're young. Faber's been there a little bit. You're not playing, you know, top power play and stuff like that. Then you go to a team where you're going to be the guy there for a long time and you get traded for one of the best defensemen in the game. So even mentally for you, like, that must have been like, okay, this team really wants me. They got rid of one of these guys. Like, I'm gonna go there. I got a little bit of a chip on my shoulder and I'm gonna go there and show what I have and, and bring your game to Vancouver.

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

Yeah, for sure. I mean, I think, you know, you kind of said it best. Like, you know, you don't want, necessarily want to get traded, but I think when you get traded for a guy like Quinn and you're the only DNA, it's like, you know, you kind of look at the bigger picture of it going okay, maybe, you know, I can come here and be that guy and, you know, bring that. Bring that element to it. And, you know, I believe in myself, I'm confident in myself that I can be that and, you know, work toward that. But, yeah, I mean, I think that's. That's the cool part is kind of like. Like you said, I mean, Minnesota, you have so many great. Brody and Spurgeon, you know, Faber, it's like, they're. They're so good. And it's like, there wasn't really much room for me to, like, do the things I want to do necessarily. I think, you know, not playing those big minutes, you know, getting taken off the power play here and there, it's like, there's a lot, you know, that I think that, like I said, I think it's just different, too. Like, Minnesota is very veteran team. Like, when now there's not a lot of little detail things that, you know, you might be going like. Like even here with. With Vancouver, there's a lot of, you know, we're such a young team, so it's like there's so many little things that we go over as a team and as a group of young guys, and it's like, you know, we weren't doing those things in Minnesota just because it's. Like I said, it's a veteran team, and these guys had been through it already. So I think it's. It's like I said, it's a great opportunity for me. Very excited. I know. I mean, we were in Vancouver a couple weeks ago, and it's beautiful city. So, you know, like I said, it's not easy. It's not, you know, it was a little bit of a whirlwind, but the guys here have been great, too. So I'm just excited Biz.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

When you asked him how long the conversation was when. When I got traded by the. The meanest man in hockey, Bob Murray from Z from Anaheim to Edmonton, he called me. I go, hello? He goes, hey, Ryan, it's Bob Murray. I traded you. I go where? He goes, edmonton. I go by. And he. And he hung up. It was legitimately seven seconds. I don't think it was like Billy G. Telling you, dude, you're going to be one of the best defensemen in the league. We had to do this. But, Steve, one thing about, like. And I was traded twice, and you're, you know, the shock and, like, maybe the disappointment. But then after the first game, it's like, it's kind of like over with. And for you, you Played so well. By the time you're showering up and getting dressed in Jersey, like, you must have been like, all right. Like, I'm. I played a ton. I played well, like, right away, it's pretty quick for how excited you are for the next pot, right?

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

Yeah. 100, I think. I mean, it makes it easier that the game went well, obviously. I mean, got a little bit of a lucky balance on my goal.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

But they all come.

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

Yeah, they don't. They don't ask out.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

Ask.

[Fish (Fish or Fishy)]

No matter.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

You don't need Canucks Twitter getting on your early. Jesus Christ.

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

Yeah, it's good. I mean, I think. Yeah, for sure. After the first game, it was nice to kind of get that under. And even last game, getting another win, it's like. It's nice. So it's been. It's been easy, you know, transition. I mean, I think, you know, for me, the way I look at it is like, you know, Billy, again, Billy had to do what he had to do. And for me, it's. It's looking forward and, you know, focusing on this opportunity and, you know, just. Just. Just really appreciating that, you know, I get to be here and do this and, you know, try to become, you know, a part of this. This rebuild.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Z. I think the first time we talked to you was just after you'd been drafted, and we knew you were going to be a special player just from talking to you and.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

And.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

And how obsessed you are with the game and. And how much you're going to put into it now. One of the things I noticed and I read was when you moved on, you took the number 24 to show respect to Bogosian, who was probably your mentor while you were in Minnesota. Maybe just talk about that. You talked about the veteran group. Like, talk about what they meant to you and what, I guess they instilled and. And taught you early in your NHL career. Only playing, like, 30 games.

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

Yeah, they were phenomenal. I mean, it's such a great group over there. Like, they're. They're seriously one of a kind. I think you hear that a lot about, like, Minnesota is, like, their. Their culture and the veteran group and how great they are, and they really are. Like, even from the playoffs last year, like, you just come in, you can be yourself, and they don't care, you know, that you're 19 years old or 20 years old. Like, they just want you to be a part of it. And, I mean, it's just amazing. Like, every single guy there, you know, wants to be your best friend. They Want to. To help you in any way possible. I think, you know, with Bogo, me and Bogo got really, really close. I think through that time, I mean, he's. He's one of a kind. He's such a special human. He's just a fun guy. Like, he. He's such like a. You know, He's. Was he 35, 36? He's played. You know, my. I was telling my dad that he played for, you know, Atlanta when he first came. My dad was baffled that he played for a team that's not even a team anymore. So, like, it's just. It's crazy how long he's been the league and, you know, what he's been able to do. And you see why, you know, he has so much respect around the league, just through guys, just because of the person he is. And, I mean, he took me under his wing, you know, always invited me to his house for dinner and just never treat me like, you know, I'm this young guy that needs to figure it out. It's like, just. Just treated me as one of the guys and, you know, wanted me to be a part of it and wanted not. Wanted me to not miss out on anything, because I think, you know, he knows that at the end of the day, you'll remember the stories and. And the good times and the laughs, you know, over any. Any hockey games unless you really win a cup. So it's like, you know, I really appreciate him for. For all that, but then you also have, you know, like, Bolds and Fabs and, you know, like, Hartman, like, you have so many of these guys and Foligno and Spurgeon, like, it's just such a. It's like such a great group. And I think that was the hardest part. When Billy called me was like, like, you know, I think that, like, that was the hardest thing to kind of reflect on. I was like, God, like, I'm gonna miss those guys. You know, I know it was quick, but it's like, the fact that it was that quick and you get that close with. With those guys, it's like, you know, it hurts. But like I said, I mean, I think, you know, those guys I'll. I'll be friends with for forever and. Yeah, I mean, just. Just really lucky to be able to meet all of them and play with them and, you know, get to. To call them friends for life.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

I read that the media was asking Connor Garland about you, and he was just raving, like, going back to Worlds, I got a kick out of. He said, At Worlds, that, that before the gold medal game, you're like, yeah, we'll win. And I guess, and, and he kind of described it like, yeah, he's one under 17, under 18, two world juniors national Championship, like he literally has won everything. I've never won anything. And, and, and apparently I think your dad was also saying like, y win. Like, that's pretty sick. You were that confident going into that game.

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

Yeah, I don't know if I, I.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

Think I saw that too.

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

I don't know if I was as arrogant as that saying, oh, I got.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

No, it sounds, it sounds, if you read it, it does. But knowing you, I, I, I think we all know you didn't mean it like that.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

It was just talk it into existence, right? Z?

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Yeah.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Manifest it.

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

Yeah, I believe in it. I believe, I think if you, I, I, I've always had this, you know, like, belief about, like, if you genuinely believe, it could happen, it will happen. And you know, you can't be delusional like, if you're, you know, whatever. But like, I've always just believed, like, if you, if you have the team, you have a group to do it and you believe in it, it'll happen. I think like, that's, that's what it comes down to is, is having that belief. And you know, like, I was fortunate enough, especially at Worlds, like, it just, we had, you know, Smitty too. Like, we just, we had gone through, through all these, these IHF tournaments, everything. We just would wit, it would just happen.

[Fish (Fish or Fishy)]

Right.

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

And so like, I, we genuinely just were like, we're gonna win.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Oh yeah.

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

Me and Smitty were joking around. We're like, billy needs to take us in the Olympic team so we can win.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Damn right.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Yeah.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

These hoes ain't loyal. How, how, how sick is it though? You get to go over and get coached by Adam Foote? Like, he was a machine back in the day, top tier defenseman. So, like, what's your communication been with, like, him early on and, and just how cool is it, the fact that he's your head coach?

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

It's awesome. Yeah, I mean, I think you, I mean, you said it like he, he had such an amazing career and he just has so much. I actually got to work with him when I was really young. I was like 13.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

And.

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

And he just, he just taught me so many little things that actually, you know, have stuck with me through, through, you know, up until this point. And I actually worked with him again before my freshman year at Denver. And so I, I've Known him for, for quite some time now and it's just, it's really cool to be able to be coached by him and just like his demeanor and how he goes about things and you know, he wants what's best for a team, but also what's best for you and he wants to teach you and you know, help you understand the game. It's like these little details that I feel like as a head coach you might not always be sharing with your team, but he's, he does, you know, he wants everyone to play with these little details and have these things. Doesn't matter if you're, you know, a guy who's been league for 10 years or if it's your first year. So I think that's, that's pretty cool. And for me I think that's perfect because you know, I want, I want to become, you know, that two way. I don't want to just be an offensive guy or you know, one way, you know, defenseman. It's like you want to be out there not just last minute offensively, but defensively. And you know, I think he, he, you know, will help me a ton with that and you know, get me there.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Who's kind of, I know it's been a couple days since you've been there, but who's kind of that one guy that you didn't realize had the, you know, the gift that he has on the ice. You know, I remember being traded and a guy like Derek Step on, who I know worked with you in Minnesota, he was kind of one of those guys. When I first got there, when I went to New York, I was like, this guy's hockey IQ is off the charts. Like just little things that blow you away. Has anyone done that to you yet?

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

Yeah, I mean I think, yeah, I think I, I think Garland was actually somebody, you know, at Worlds that I just didn't know was that good. And even just last, last two games and practice here, like he just does little things that are, you know, that are pretty, pretty like you just never notice if you didn't play with them. And I think someone else is like heronic. Like I just didn't realize how much of a tank he was.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Like, this guy's a horse cannon too.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

He's got a bomb, he's got a can.

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

That was where I was asking him how to take a one timer because I was like, how do you shoot?

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

I saw that video.

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

Yeah, I, well I was like, I got, I gotta work on it. So I'm like asking him like What. You know, what does he do? And so last, you know, a couple practices, we've been working on it after, but it's like.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

It's just.

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

It's not even that, but it's like, even in the games, like, he'll. He'll just. He's just a horse. Like, he. I. I mean, I think the one in New Jersey, he was out there the last, like, five minutes of the game. I don't think he changed. Just a beast. It's like, I'd even, like. It's like, you don't even. Like, he. It was like. Like Faves was like that, too. Like, he's just like a horse. Like, these guys can just, like. And it's not like they get tired either. It's like they just work and work and work, and it's like they look like they never get tired.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

I was able to go to the. To the Frozen Four and watch you win a national championship. And it was G and Yan's and Wit who were raving about you before I'd even seen you play live. And you were so dominant. You end up going at the end of last year to Minnesota to get your playoff experience, and then you get the start of this year. What's been, like, the hardest part about adapting to the NHL? Like, obviously, it's, you know, it's a difficult league, and you can't maybe dominate like you did in college, stepping in. But what are the things you've taken away early on that you're like, whoa.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Yeah.

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

I mean, I think last year in the playoffs, I mean, you just see the difference in, like, it was. It was crazy. Like, these. Everything is so. To me, it was like, everything's so tight. Like, no one messes up. Everybody's in the right position. Everybody, you know, is great with their sticks. Like, it's so hard to find space. And I think that was, like, the biggest thing. And then also, like, this was. This was great. Like, I didn't even. Like, I feel like when you get hemmed in in college or something, or like, you, you know, you're tired or you have a long shift and. And, you know, guys are doubling up, like, you can kind of get away with, like, oh, we'll be fine. You know, like, now it's. You get hemmed in, like, you're. Oh, it's the worst thing ever.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Yeah, we iced the puck one time in Chicago, and I was stuck in the D zone, which I was never put on for D zone. Draws from by Dave Tippett. And then they throw Over Kane and Taves, buddy. Too many men crawling on the ice to the bench like, it was like I had six platoons out there trying to murder.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

I heard him yelling, too many men. Too many men. I'm like, no biz, they have five, we have five. It's just, they're better than you.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

I had fucking flares. I was taking a flare, shooting flares on the ice.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

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[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

Usually? Like, there was a group, I think, obviously Bolds and Faves are usually in that group. So it's like, you know, they weren't. They're obviously gonna be at the Olympics, so. But yeah, I mean, there was little talks. I mean, there wasn't really anything set or figured out.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Oh, that's good then.

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

Yeah, that was a good part. I mean, if anything, probably Bogo a couple other guys, but yeah, I don't know. I don't really have anything planned. I mean, just. Just chill. Take some time off. For sure.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Can I give you some advice?

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Careful going on vacation.

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

Yeah.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Be careful here.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Don't go to Cabo and don't trust little Mexicans on the beach when they say you want to fly to the moon. Because you're not actually going to fly to the moon. It's not like Bezos on his little ship there.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

You're going to be.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

You're going to be projectile vomiting in your hotel room and staying a day later than you have to because the ecstasy they gave you wasn't ecstasy. So that was just people experience.

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

They're just good advice.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Oh, yeah, that's a great advice right there. That's what Adam Foote was hoping Biz would tell you.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Yeah, well, he's teaching them probably how to stick guys in the nuts in front of the net so they don't go to the blue paint. Like, what are some of these little details of the game he's teaching you to butt end a Guy in the ribs if you come near his goalie.

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

Yeah, pretty much. But it's a lot like. Like he used to. I remember, like, when I was 13, it was telling me, like, you got to be like a cat. Like, you got to be like a cat out there. Like, you always got to be, like, on your toes, in position, you know, kind of ready to pounce on anything. And, like, he'll. He's big on, like, stunts. Like, you know, like, if. When a guy goes past it, like, give him, like, a shot. You know, like, doesn't matter where you are. Like, you know, especially in the D zone, like, if guy makes a pass or whatever it is, like, get in front of him, give him a shot. Like, you know, let him know you're there early. And, you know, it's. It's. It's hard to do. Like, there's so many times in a game where, you know, I can, you know, you can easily give someone a shot, but it's like, you might forget or you're, you know, tired or whatever it is, but it's like doing these little things just set you up for success, like, later on in your shift or, you know, you might, you know, you might stunt the guy or whatever, and then all of a sudden, next thing you know, you know, the puck's coming toward you, and because you got in front of him early, now you can get it instead of him. Like, it's like, just little things. I mean, obviously been only a couple days, but like I said, just a lot of knowledge and so much that, you know, especially he was, you know, defenseman. So it's like. Like, there's so many little things you can learn from them, you know, in that sense where, you know, he might not be able to teach the forwards the same thing. He can teach the D. Have you.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Had any guys like Brad Marchaw or anybody chirp you? Like, has anybody laid into you yet where you're. You're skating with your tail between your legs, going to the bench?

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

Not yet. Knocking wood? No, not yet.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Okay.

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

The guys are actually a lot nicer than. Than I thought. Like, there's a lot of, like, conversation that happens on the ice that I like. Like, it's just.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Oh, yeah.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Tummy sticks.

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

Yeah, like, tummy sticks a little bit. Yeah.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Okay.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Good to know.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

That's what I lived for.

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

Yeah, there's a lot of it. And I was. I was shocked.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

I was, like.

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

I did not expect it to.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

To be.

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

But I've also, like, when I was, like, in mini, like, like, if if someone, you know, got in my face, like Bogo would just step in front of him and they'd skate away.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

The sheriff.

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

Yeah, I'd always like, I'd always joke with Bogos, hey, I could have taken them. Yeah, I got it.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

I had a coach, I can't remember used to be like, you cutting deals out there. You're cutting deals. I'm like, yeah, you're right. So I'm cutting deals out there. I'm trying to tip.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Would get mad if you were playing tummy sticks pregame. Like, I had a lot of coaches, like, I would, I learned that pretty early in my career. Like, don't be chumming it up with guys at face offs and stuff. Especially for how my game was too. Yans, you were in a bit of a different bracket when you're like the offensive guy. Like you could be playing. You and Hazy were basically jerking each other off of the face off draws when you guys were playing against each other.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Hey, it's crazy that you would only be a junior and, and it's wild. How's Denver doing? And we actually just interviewed Guy Gudowski, the coach at Penn State. He brought up this poll camp, that D man. Poll camp. Pretty nice player, huh? But how the boys doing? Like, you must stay in touch with all those guys.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

Yeah, I do.

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

They're doing good. I mean, I always say, like Denver's, it's the same every year. Like, everyone always thinks we're not going to be good, we're not going to have a good team and then we end up making the frozen four. It happens every year. Like everyone chirps and then it happens.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Yeah.

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

And I, and, and I always say like when, when, when you get to be, like, when you get to be coached by, by David Carl, like you always have a chance to win. Like that guy, he's a special coach. So it's like, I mean, in Polecamp. Oh, that's awesome. I mean he's, he is, that guy is. He is such a fun. Like, he's a clown.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Like, really nice player though, huh?

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

Yeah. Oh my. His shot is like a million miles an hour.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Okay, so why didn't you ask him how to do it and wait for Heronic? Jesus should have asked the freshman last.

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

Year because Polkin doesn't always do it. He's just so strong and just rips it.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Just a mutant.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

I wanted to know who, who so far have you noticed? Who's the, the clown jester. The jester in the locker room in Vancouver who's making you Laugh. Just. Who's doing the helicopter to get the boys fired up in the locker room? Like, who's the guy?

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

I mean, Caner's pretty funny.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

What's he saying?

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Driving in. In Bentley's.

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

He's good. He's funny. I mean, Garland's obviously really funny too.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

I don't know.

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

I don't think I've been here like, long enough to. To kind of to know for sure. But I mean, Caner's always saying something.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Do you even have a roommate or is there not enough young guys?

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

No, we don't.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

We don't.

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

We have a bunch of young guys. We don't have a roommate.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Now, what's the yo yo on that group chat?

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

What's that we?

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

My birthday was in Seattle. And I'm like, you know, it would be sick, like, if we. If we like, if there was like a magic store and we're like walking around Seattle and my God, Bo. I've never met anyone who hates a city more than Bogo. He hates Seattle.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

It's a depressing city.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Look at. Look. Look at him. He's like a.

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

If he could take a. On the city. What?

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

But everyone else does it there anyways.

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

Oh, my God. But anyway, we're walking around, there's. And then Bo was like, holy, there's a magic store. And I was, all right, we walk in there and I was like, I gotta get something. And there was like this little yo yo. And then Bo was like, oh, yeah, I used to play a little. I used to mess around with the yo. And he starts doing all these crazy tricks.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

I'm like, what?

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

Like, what did this guy not do? So then he ordered like, these like, super, like, bougie nice yo yos. And I don't know if he sent you the photo, but it came with. He got him. And it came with a glove. It was like. We were like. We were like 5yo yos for some of the boys.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

You better send you one.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Yeah.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

All right, buddy.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

You're the man.

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

Sounds good.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

Yeah.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Thank you very much to Z. Bouilliam. Special player, great kid. But, guys, we got to talk about this. Monday, it is prime Monday night Hockey. Vancouver Canucks vs. The Philadelphia Flyers. Monday, December 22nd at 7:30 Eastern. Our listeners in Canada can watch Monday night's game on Prime Video. If you're already a Prime member, you're all set. If not, sign up for a free trial@prime video.com. prime Monday night hockey. It's on Monday. It's on Prime. Prime Monday night hockey is Available free to prime members in Canada. Start your free trial www.prime video.com for the full Prime Monday Night Hockey schedule, visit www.primevideo.com backslash SALP backslash NHL so the Flyers. Zegrus is money this year. He's been phenomenal. They got a big win in Montreal earlier this week. Fowler started. He had a tough giveaway behind the net. They. They won that game on the road. Now they got Vancouver and Z Bouillem. That's exciting. Now Vancouver to watch them and to see how much he's going to play. I'm very excited for that. But the Flyers have surprised me. They really have biz. I didn't. I thought they were a bottom five team in the league. And what is talk done.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

They're fighting. Rick Talkett's unbelievable. And the fact he gets to play against his old team on prime time. Amazon Hockey, baby. That's awesome. You know, a lot of good memories there. One is first Jack Adams. He's a fucking hall of Famer. You got to put them in the hall of Fame for the full body of work. But yeah, interested to watch Z Bouilliam and see how he progresses and continues to help this young Canuck team along. And like you said, man, I think that the Flyers as they continue like their top three biggest surprises in the league this year. I would say throw the Islanders in the mix. Throw the Flyers in the mix. And who else would be your. Your other. Other team? Would you say Bruins?

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Maybe Bruins?

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Bruins ruins.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

So but we honestly you didn't like people didn't expect it. But us knowing talk in the way that he is and the way that he bleeds that black and orange like you could.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

You.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

You knew they were going to have a good turnaround. You knew the guys are going to buy into whatever he says because at the end of the. The day the guy did it at an incredible level for so many years with that jersey on. And his word there goes a long way.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Oh, buddy. Then it's not only bringing the nostalgia back from the old days, but yeah, yeah. There's no around. There's. We talked earlier about the. Or actually the interview's coming up because we had to pre record it. But the gray area like we talked about with, with Hitch. There ain't no fucking gray area with talking.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

No, he's.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

He's in. He's imposing those defensive systems. You're going to check, you're going to play with pace and it's awesome to see what he's done with Zegrus. Man, like, I'm. I'm happy for that kid. I know we're going to get him on in the next couple weeks. I think we've. We've put the request in. But there were some dark days for him, going from that contract negotiation to not playing much, to not getting along with his coach out Anaheim, the one who had the high blood pressure, who they got rid of. But it's. It's great to see what he's doing now.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Yeah. Over a point per game. And G said, hey, I'm talking to Flyers. Who do you want to interview? I said, well, I said, jonesy, I said, we gotta chat with Zegrus. We haven't seen him in forever. And then Couturier, connect me and then delore. It'd be fun to interview. I think so.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Oh, yeah.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Hopefully we got some Flyers content coming up soon. But another guy that's doing well in the state of Pennsylvania is the head coach of the Penn State hockey team, Gavin McKenna's team, Guy Gadowski.

[Fish (Fish or Fishy)]

Guys, real quick, before we send it over to Guy Gadowski, we do have a little announcement we gotta make. We are gonna be at the Penn State Michigan State outdoor game at Beaver Stadium at the end of January. So very excited. We have a ton of stuff planned. I think we're planning a potential little party. We're gonna be doing some big interviews, but most importantly, we're gonna be at the outdoor game. So very excited. But we can send it away to Coach Gadowski.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

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[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

I'm Doing well. Thanks for having me. How are you guys?

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Oh, we're doing phenomenal. We're doing great. It's good to catch up with you and get to chat. Biz has something quick, I can tell.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

I gotta know, did you, did you put your teeth in for the game notes interview or did you take your teeth out for that one as well?

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

For the game? I, you know what?

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

It.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

Whenever John says that I can take him out, I do because I sound, I lisp with him in. So this is the one he said, hey, it's spitting Tricklet. This is the one you definitely can take off.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

That's true. That's a great call.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

You know you're big time when you have a teeth guy as an assistant. It tells you when you can.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Does he hold it? Does he hold the. The flipper?

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

He will now.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Why haven't you gotten the permanence in? Just because in practice you might catch one?

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

Nah, because when it happened, three of them got compromised. Two are finally out. One was out for a while, the other fell out years later and there's still one. So when that one's gone, then I'll do it.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

I feel like that helps in recruiting though. Like you meet a big time recruit, it's like, hey, look at me, buddy, I'm a hockey guy.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

It depends on the recruit, but yeah, could work.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

It's like tough when the parents cook your corn on the cob though when you're over there recruiting, you're like, oh, we're, we're really in one now. But I would imagine it's pretty good during maybe meetings with the players, maybe not enough back checks going on. You take them out and you really lay into them and all of a sudden they're, they pucker up and they're like, we better listen to this guy.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

Maybe. But not great for team dinners either, for your first point.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

But that's awesome.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

So give us the rundown so far of this season. I want to go back into like the program beginning and I think it's 12, 13 years at this point, and what you've built is special and, and I think being at a, at a place like Penn State with that many students and that many alumni and the rink you have, it's, it was a, it was a no brainer and at some point you guys are going to become very good. But it's, but so far this year, what do you think? Because big expectations coming into this year.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

Yeah, it's been a lot of fun, specifically because we went to the Frozen four last year. So this was a really an exciting year for. For everybody in Penn State. And when you said, yeah, like, it was, I'm along for the ride, believe me, like, this Penn State thing is. Is a little different when it comes to support and resources and. And the alumni getting behind you. So from day one, you know, Mr. Pula, he was. I mean, it's. We're here because of him. He was the one that donated the money and really was the. The catalyst for us going D1. And. But ever since it happened, like, what is. Or 14 years ago now, I mean, just every Penn State has been so supportive and our, like, the student body is so supportive and so awesome. So it's been a blast. And last year when we finally made the Frozen Four, you know, there's so many people that I'm so happy for because so many people work so hard to get it to this point, and then, yeah, you make the Frozen Four. A couple of the good things happen in terms of recruiting in the summer, and. And here we are. So this year, you know what, it's been interesting because we really haven't had to manage a buzz and distractions as we did this year. And. And so that's been an education for me. But the best teacher for that has actually been Gavin. He's been dealing with that since he's been very young. And the way he handles himself is just.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Just.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

I think it's a great example for all of us.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Is it a little overwhelming, maybe the media coverage, just given the fact that he's joined the program, like, how. How have you guys balanced that? Or maybe there was the initial reaction and it's been pretty normal since then.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

I mean, I wouldn't say it's overwhelming because I think that's a situation that everybody wants to be in and, and this is Penn State, they're so successful and so many other things that, That I think you come to Penn State hoping that. That you'll get that buzz right? So it's not overwhelming, but it. It. It is a bit of a dist. That you don't necessarily anticipate. But like I said, Gavin is. He just handles everything so well and so chill that, that, you know, when. Once we understood. Once we learned from him how to do things, it's been all right.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

And I just. Going back to the, you know, the support that you get. I know one of my good friends, Frank Marzano, he's a big guy.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

The other day, you. They were saying that. I was wondering was. Yeah, they're like, you know, they're trying to.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

They're trying to change Yan's birth certificate and bring him back to play there. I know what you guys got going on.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

No, but he literally, he. He called me when you guys. When they opened up the doors from the chl, that. And he's like, who's a good young player? And talking, you know, obviously G helped me out with some names and stuff, but just the alumni. Can you talk about the alumni there and what they. What they provide for you guys? And obviously, Mr. Pagul. And my second question to that is, has Mr. Pula asked you to coach the Sabres yet?

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

Second one first. That's. That answer is no. But Mr. Pula has been extremely supportive of our program. Obviously. He's been tremendous. He's been everything. When you talk about the alumni, I mean, you. You almost have to experience it because certainly when the announcement was made that Penn state was going D1, and. And you sort of look at just how, how. What's Penn State like? You, you go to, you see football games, wrestling, you name it, and it's unbelievable. But you have to be in it to feel it. It. I mean, the, the supporters, the alumni here are absolutely the best, the absolute best, the most supportive. They just, they love everything Penn State. They're very helpful. I tell you what, they've just been amazing and, and, and it. That's been one of the most gratifying. I guess parts about this experience is just the support of the alumni and the student body has been off the charts.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Given Pula's intensity and love for. For that hockey team, yours. Do you. Would you consider the Sabers, maybe his, like, side chick at this point is. Maybe that's why.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

No, I would not. No, I would not.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Okay. All right. That's just maybe the way it looks right now anyway. Maybe you guys are getting a little too much attention and he needs to.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

Yeah, no, no comment.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

I knew that was a no comment coming.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Smart man.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

This guy's media trained. Let's get him off.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

But, but Cats, I got a question. Like, like, as a coach, right, you got 23, 25 guys, whatever the roster is, and, and you're trying to take care of everyone. You're trying to build a culture. You're trying to create. Every year is a new story in college hockey, but it's different this year, right? It's this generational talent, and it's a kid that's coming in, in McKenna that there's so many expectations, and all of a sudden. And I won't say that I'm not guilty of it. It's like, all right, he's not putting up two and a half points per game. And. And then the noise started and there's draft rankings. How do you deal with him and maybe grab him or talk to him, if you even do it all about, like, try to block out the noise a little bit, considering it's your draft year and all these expectations you had.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

Yeah, so. So first of all, regarding the expectations and. And college hockey right now, this is a. This is a unique year in college hockey because every other year up to this year, you look at the freshmen, they're coming into college hockey. There's guys have played high school hockey, A lot of guys played prep school hockey, and then the rest played tier two. And then this year you have guys that have been playing four years in major junior that have been drafted. You have guys playing in Canadian University. You have guys that have actually played in the American Hockey League that are coming in as freshmen. Right. So. So this is by far the most experienced, mature college hockey year that's ever been. So number one, you got to say that. And Gavin is 17 gained. But when you talk about, you know, the expectations than Buzz, honestly, he has been such a good example of how to deal with it. You asked how we deal with it. We watched him because, I mean, it was new to us and we're trying to, like, figure out and navigate and he comes in and the way he handles things. He controls what he controls. He's very chill. He's extremely. He's very much the team. Like, he. He's not, but he's very much comfortable with the team and about the team. He's not really comfortable about himself and. And he's just really chill and he handles it really well. So I think it's, like I said, it's been a big help to all of us.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Did you always know that you were going to be a coach eventually because you played at Colorado College? From my understanding. Did you know after you played that you were going to hop into coaching? Was it always in you?

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

I mean, my. My whole family are teachers, so I think that's sort of where it came from. And I just loved hockey. I just wanted to be a part of hockey so bad. And so, you know, when I. When it became apparent that my. My career was winding down, I, like, I wanted to be a coach. So I did all the, you know, certificates and coaching clinics and everything else to try get into it, and I did. I was first coach. I was a player assistant for Roy Summer in In the East Coast League to start, and then. And then in the West Coast League, same thing. And then a head coach and went on. But it was something. Yeah, I just want to be a part of hobby hockey. If I'm in hockey, then I don't consider I'm going to work.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

And also, like, how. How has it been for you evolving as a coach? Because we talk constantly about how you have to talk to these players nowadays and. And even like Rick Talkett, a guy who was so hardcore as a player. And maybe the way that, you know, he. He had Keenan, but he talked about in Vancouver how he has to massage these relationships constantly and make sure each guy is getting attention. So. So have you felt that you've had to do that throughout the years and how you've progressed as a coach?

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

Yeah, sure. There's a difference in how, you know, every generation is a little bit different. So, yeah, you have to adjust your communication, for sure. But I think it's good. I think it's. It makes us learn. It makes you don't get stale. But at the same time, you know, you're successful because of your stripes. So as long as you don't, you lose your stripes. I think you adjust to how you communicate and you want it, you know, sometimes it's different.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Different.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

How you get through to every player is different. So you're always trying to evolve and try and find ways to be more effective. And it's the same thing as you do with individual players is the same thing with, I guess, generations. So, yeah, we're learning. We're always learning. I hope so. Makes you better.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

And that must help you, too. I mean, your son's on the team, so you know what the kids his age are, you know, at least going through. And a lot different than the way that we came into the game. And I'm sure the way Whit came into college, like, the times have definitely changed. And I'm sure he's been able to help you with that.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

Well, not really. We sort of have a, like, not really. We sort of have a deal that, like, hockey's hockey and he's just. He's just a player. And then. And then home is home and he's not a player. That's sort of the deal we have. And actually, he hasn't come home that much. My wife's a little disappointed. So I probably have spoken to him less this year than I did even last year when he wasn't on the team, because at least I'd call and ask him what's going on. But we don't, we don't really talk team.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

So I, I, I looked, looked through, like, your stats as a player, your hockey DB. And there was games in 93, 94, you played for the Canadian national team. Now that was the team, I believe, that was preparing and getting ready for the, the Olympics. In 94, it was Canada who was playing Forsberg when he pulled that legendary move that ended up on a stamp. So, so were you in the running to play for that Olympic team? Like, how did that work out?

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

Yeah, I got cut before the, before the Olympics, I got cut. And then to, like, when Biz asked about coaching, I got cut and I went home. I'm like, that's it. I'm done. Like, I don't need this anymore. And I went home and I, you know, I went on job interviews and I interviewed, like, cops and firemen and lawyers and, and I got offered a couple jobs and, and I was sitting there thinking about what I, you know, one job.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Rob.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

I had a deadline. I had to give him an answer Monday morning. So I remember Sunday night going like, am I going to do this or not? And I thought a lot about it, and I was like, man, I need hockey. Like, I just need hockey. So that was probably the time where I decided, man, I got to get back to hockey. So I, so I, I scrapped the job hunting and went back to, to playing hockey. That's what happened.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

I'm sticking with the international theme here. Something really cool that's happening for the first time and, and G brought it up. My understanding is you're going to be coaching a team that's going over to the Spangler cup, which is, is, is a combination of all the top us. Is it us born college players?

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

No, just college everybody. So Canadians, us. We have Europeans. Yeah, it's a college select team.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Well, that's, is it under 20? Is it no under 20 kids, though? Or is it anyone who's not world juniors?

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

Basically anybody who's not world juniors. So we could take sophomores, except we're trying to stay away from the freshmen because. And a lot of those guys are going to be world junior selects, but anybody else? Yeah, regardless of the country of origin.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

So what do you, what do you think about this? And what an opportunity for you to go over there. And I mean, the, the building over there is iconic, so it's gonna be done yet.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

No, the one in Gavos is.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

No, no, I was kidding. I was kidding.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry. Okay. So.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Well, that's his Sense of humor, right?

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Yeah.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Be careful, buddy. He gets me every day.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

Well, I'm, I'm pumped about it. Like not, not personally but for college hockey because look like college hockey, this is great opportunity for college hockey in Europe and Canada. I mean it's on, on TV all over I think more than 20 countries and obviously in Canada we've been, we've. Canadians grow up watching it during Christmas so it's very cool. But I think it's a great opportunity to show how good college hockey is. I don't know what to expect. I mean I know this is the first time this is happening so. So we. No one really knows what to expect, which makes it sort of even more cool. Obviously there's a lot of pros that are, that are extremely experienced. We're going to be a little different team, but it doesn't mean we can't just go. I mean we're just going to go, man. We're just going to go. I think it's going to be a lot of fun and, and it's good for a lot of these guys. It's good exposure for them too.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

So Guy. One of my all time favorite movies is Blue Chips and just. It just. This makes me think about the recruiting process for you. I just was wondering if you had any like cool stories where families, you know, breaking down or, or a horrible story where something, something crazy went wrong and yeah.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Wants to know how many double wides you've bought.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Well now they can.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

Geez, I'm not gonna give you any. Like I can't. I'm not going to give you a bad story, that's for sure. I think that when it comes to recruiting, look man, like it's. You got to sell what you have have and there's a lot of different ways to do that. And then when you bring people in, there's some families that are going to be absolutely blown away by tailgating at football and there's going to be families that are blown away here at PUL Ice arena or the weight room. We have and you just sort of have to find the niche. I think for us we're a real competitive program and like to compete at different things like ping pong, you name it. I think Gavin number one. Well, he is now. That pisses me off though. Like John caught it at the bad time. I beat him. Yeah, he had, I had a bad week. He had a good week.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Some guys get it all, eh?

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

Yeah. It's unreal. I know, I know.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

So that's like. That's a pyramid where you gotta beat. You can only play who's above you. Right.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

You can challenge anybody on the board and if you win, you, you, you switch spots. If you lose, you move down and in the bob below that is the minors. So everybody's either in the minors or in the top 10.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

But you're what you gotta do, you gotta bag skate Gavin. You gotta bag skate him one day and then call him. I'll be like, we're playing right now.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

You know what? Exactly. Because he does the same thing. He'll be like, he'll be playing, he'll be all relaxed, he'll be practicing, and then I'll be running around. He's like, hey, challenge. We gotta play now. That's his deal. So I gotta be a better GM when it comes to that. I think you're right.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

What kind of player were you?

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

A hockey player?

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

Not a very good one.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Well, Bob Stauffer sent me the stats. Double A, I think you're six in the leading scoring, although I think you were seventh because it Stoff cracked me up today and he sent me the list. It's a, it's a newspaper cutout. And he's right above you and I'm like, oh, oh. Like, I think this is my stuff. Had 20 or you had the same amount of points, but he had 21 goals. He might have had 20. And he said no, that guy could play. He could really play.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

Well, you know what? I'll steal a line from Stauffer. Stauffer would say that I was a stay at home centerman. There you go.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Like Philip Deno.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

So that's how it was.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Yeah.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Steve Ruchin on the Ducks in 2003.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

How, how is it though for like a, like I'm. So you're a defensive minded player. Maybe you didn't have the option.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

I wasn't, I just, no, I wasn't a defensive minor play. I just wasn't good enough.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Okay, so do you like to try to like have the guys play with a, with a, like a high pace, lot of offense? Like where, where have your, your, your hockey philosophies came from? And who were the coaches that maybe you, you took from?

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

Well, I grew up in Edmonton, so that's probably the biggest hockey influence was just growing up in the 80s with the Oilers. And actually my friend, really close friend of mine, his dad was Ted Green, so he was an assistant coach of the Oilers. So we got to, you know, I, I, I was very fortunate. I got to go to their practices. I Got to be in the locker room when they won the Stanley Cup. And I think a lot of it was just watching them that got my love for hockey. I mean, but, man, I've been really fortunate to, to play for or coach with some unbelievable coaches. Ken Hitchcock, I gotta tell you, has been one of the best guys. He was during the lockout in Philly. He was. He was coaching in Philly during lockout, and I was at Princeton. And. And so I just called because we needed a goalie coach. And he said, well, you know what? I'll come help you out. And I thought he was going to come for a day. He was there all season and I learned so much from him. So I would say those. From a hockey standpoint, probably the Oilers and Ken Hitchcock have probably been the biggest influences.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

To ask you more about Hitchcock, was he helping you with any video at all? Because when me and Whit got to experience him in, in St. Louis for a training camp, I thought it was pretty unbelievable for a guy who never really played at a high level or maybe really at all, how he was like, able to break down the little nuances of the game. Like, I was flabbergasted about how he was able to do that.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

Yeah. You know what? I think he's a genius. And in the sense of not necessarily what he knows, but how he communicates it. So it's really interesting. Like, you. You'd ask a question that I think is pretty complicated. And every question he. He answers like, boom, boom. It's a B. Like he. He boils it down to every single guy in the room gets. Oh, absolutely. That's his genius. He can commute. Communicate his ideas in a very well defined way. Like, very well defined. And when it comes to video, yeah, he was like, he would come to every one of our home games, but on the road, we would send him tapes and he'd go through them and then he'd like and discuss them with me. So it was a. It was a master class in coaching. And I have the utmost respect for him.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Yeah, that's funny you say the way you describe it is. Is true. There's no gray area with him. That's what I remember. There was. You always kind of knew exactly what he was saying, and I never, I never really considered it. I also remember with him, biz and I, I'm sure it was similar with Princeton, maybe different with personnel, but he was so crazy and adamant about cycling down low. Like, all he wanted was you to cycle down low and tire them out and like Hope passes to him.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Him.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

It made him sick. And granted, this was. We were there three and a half weeks in training camp, but he was always drilling and going into like controlling the puck on the cycle. And St. Louis was very good at that, you know, no surprise.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

Well, for us, I mean, I think he, he, I. I don't remember that specifically offensive zone part of it, but I can tell you that that back to the communication, like when coaches sit around and talk and someone will bring it up and someone will say, well, what do you do here? And a coach will say, well, this is what you do do. And then there will be a question, well, what if that guy does that? Then what do you do? And you get into more discussions. And then with Hitch, though, it's like, what do you do? And Hitch goes, boom, boom, done. Everybody gets it perfectly. No other questions. And I don't know how he does it. It's a, it really is. You know, when you come across great teachers, you know it. He is a great, great, great teacher. Great teacher. Like, no matter what, you leave the room, the discussion, whatever you're talking about, out going, I got it. I 100 got it. And to me, I think that's the genius of coaching because it's not necessarily the systems or the concepts that you use. It's how many guys on your team absolutely get it. That's what matters. And for him, I think he's genius.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Do you find the kids are, are maybe very skill obsessed and like offensive obsessed? Maybe even more so than like prior generations. And how hard or easy is it to beat into them? Like the systems element, like, hey, man, you can't go there. You can't take that risk. Is it harder?

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

I think that's coaching. I mean, I'm sure that's what my coach said about me. Your coaches said you about you? Probably at some times, I think that's the genius of it. And depending on what you really want to get out of it. But for sure, with all the different videos now and everything, it seems like every, every hockey player coming up has been very, very, very trained in the skill aspect of the game. Very, very trained. A lot more than, than I remember at when I was growing up. Like, a lot more trained and, and very aware of, of different offensive techniques. But I think that once you buy in that look, you all have to do something structured together to have individual success. I mean, that's the key.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

I know NHL is a copycat league and a lot of teams are taking, you know, whether it's D zone coverage or you know, power play stuff from other teams. Is it like that in college or are you guys looking at NHL games and going through.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

Oh, absolutely. It's copycat in college too. But we still, I think the majority of us want to see what the best teams in the, in the best league in the world do. Obviously that's, that's, to me that's a no brainer. So we're very much, I think coaching is very much a copycat profession. You do, you can't ever lose your stripes, but you certainly, it's a great way to get to tweak your system to where the game's going and evolving and. Yeah, very much so.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

I, I got a larger or a question about like college sports right now and there's been so much discussion that it's in a weird spot. And college hockey is no different. It's obviously not to the level of college football with the money involved in the nil, but it's still right there. I'm curious, like, are there any things that you've talked to other coaches about where you're like, God, I think we got to switch this up. Like, personally to me, like the transfer rule, I always hated the fact you had to sit out a year because if you were a junior and you realize I'm not really going to play the next two years, I was like, oh, I should be able to go. But the transferring every year to me is insane. So I don't know if there was something for you right now. It's like, I think we need to address this.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

Well, I think there's a lot of things that a lot of coaches would like to address and our staff is no different. But we're taking the, the attitude that, that look, unless we can change it, why complain about it? So yeah, a lot of the different, a lot of things that you're talking about originate from probably football. The rules aren't just, hey, no one thought about college hockey, then implemented all these rules in ncaa. It comes from, you know, football for sure, maybe basketball, etc, but there's not a lot that we can control as hockey coaches. So our attitude is, hey, just give me the rules and let's play. Like, I want to be, I love hockey, I want to be a part, I love being a hockey coach, want to be here. What are the rules? Let's go for it.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

So aren't those confusing right now though?

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

A little, yeah. I mean it's a ton. Like if you get coaches, any college coaches, you go for a beer where of course we're going to talk all about this and how, and how ridiculous a lot of the things are. Just like, I'm sure a lot of other coaches from as football coaches, basketball, everybody across the ncaa. However, I, I guess like our attitude is just, just, I'm not going to change the rules, so you give me the rules and we'll play. That's what we think.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

I think that the talent pool in the ncaa, given the rules and the fact that you can go to junior first now, like, it's at the highest it's ever been. I mean, we've talked about Gavin, but you also get a firsthand look against teams that you're coaching against. For those who don't watch enough college hockey, who are, are looking forward to this year's draft or, or even like prospects that have been drafted, who are some of the most fascinating players in college hockey right now, where you're like, this guy is. This guy might be like the next Kale Makar. This guy might be the next Connor Bedard. Like, who are the guys that you've seen firsthand?

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

I mean, there's a lot in the Big Ten right now. There's a lot of really great, actually I should say all across the nation when you talk about defensemen, we have a couple going to our team at the Spangler Cup. I mean, Eric Polecamp is just, he's an incredible defenseman out of, out of Denver. He's fantastic. Jake Levinage from, from North Dakota is extremely good. There's another one, Cole Hudson, obviously, I'm sure you're very familiar with, and BU is one of those guys that, you know, I, I have great respect obviously for Cale McCarr, but we've got other call. You know, college has done an amazing job with defensemen that, that guys come out of college and do a great job in the National Hockey League. So I think there's a number of them. I'm. There's some really good forwards as well. Obviously you're going to see a few of them in the, in the world juniors that play in the Big Ten, where Marco has been having a really good year. Personally, I gotta tell you, and I don't necessarily think this is biased, but I just love, like, if you love hockey and love watching creativity, like Gavin, to me is. I mean, that's a guy to watch. He just is, he's just so much fun to watch. It's so much fun to watch his, his vision and his brain, how it works. It's, it's, it's quite incredible.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Can you can you dive a little deeper into Gavin? Like that's what fascinates you the most. Like, what do you, you like, what are you seeing that separates him and why he should be first overall?

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

Oh, well, there's a couple. So first of all, that's what you see. Like you watch him in practice and the way, and even games, like, you'll see the way he manipulates time and space is really weird. Like, weird. It's different. Like he'll have guys flying, he has no time. And like you're thinking, don't get rid of the park and cover up. And he's like just so calm and will take time and just make the nicest, fastest, easiest play. And you're like, how do you do that? And then on the other hand, you know, he'll have time and space and you think, oh, he's going to slow things and he'll like one touch a pass bullet. You know, he just, he does, he sees things differently and that's what you see right off the hop. But, but what we're learning since then is like he does so many things in elite level, like his vision and his, the way he thinks is, is incredible. But then will do a conditioning drill and he'll just kill it. Like he's elite condition. And then if you look at anything he does on the backhand side of his stick, it's, it's insane. It's insane how good the backhand side of his stick is. It's just insane. Like the first, the first 50 times you're like, that has to be luck. And then the next, like he does it all the time and it's amazing. And then, you know, he's 17 and he's, and he's a, a. He's a young 17. He's not one of these early developer kid. He's a very young 17. I think that's a lot why he came to college so he could develop his body, nutrition, etc, but I mean he just wires the puck. Like his first goal was a, a bullet pass across the whole isolate one time, top shelf. Like he's got so many things that he does an elite level besides his.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Vision and like you talked about like that patience. I think in that first game against asu, he, I don't know if he was on the point during the power play or you put him there or he just ended up there where a guy came barreling out and then like he just made patient, patient, patient, ended up making the right play down the wall and you guys ended up scoring off of it. But amazing, amazing player to watch. Now is, is he related to Connor Bard?

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

I, I believe so, yeah.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

That's what, okay, so has he been around at all? And I mean that'd be an unreal guy to pick his brain, right?

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

So there would be, it, it would be. I, no, he hasn't come here. I'll leave that up to Gavin and, but no, we haven't seen Conor here.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Okay.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

It's all, it's almost rules he might be on the roster if he wanted to be.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

They could probably pay him more than Chicago too. Is right in the check right now. Yeah.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

So do you, do you almost, do you almost think it's kind of unfair the way like the criticism he's getting? Because I mean I play junior. It's a wide open game like the, it's a, it's a skill game. There's so much room to make plays. You're not getting hit. And then I went to a college game over Thanksgiving break. It was Michigan, Harvard and there is no room on the ice there. Granted there's probably not as many high, high end talent as he is, but like I, I, I honestly think it's a little unfair to give him this criticism because like you said how young he is, he hasn't, he's never played over here and he's playing with guys that are 24, 25 years old.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

I mean, I don't, I don't really listen to criticism. I think they're very wrong. We get to see this kid every day. He, you know, and the thing is when he came here, he's very, very conscious that he wants to improve the team and be a part of the team. He'll only talk about the team. He doesn't like talking individual. And so I think he's been very aware and very, very conscious of getting everybody involved. And there's times where he certainly could be more selfish and may, I'm hoping that maybe happens the second half, but that as well. I mean we brought him here to play with a guy, an excellent winger who was, I think he was the second leading score. He's the leading scorer coming back in the ncaa. Aiden Fink and he, he broke his thumb so he's missed half the season. So like Gavin's been playing with a bunch of different players. He's been, I think he's been doing, handling it extremely well. And you know, if, if, if intangibles mean anything, the way this guy is with the team, the way he ingratiates his teammates, just love him and just the way he does things, like, if you keep score on anything, you see this kid turning up. He's, he's phenomenal. I mean, he's excellent. I, I don't listen to any criticism. But again, this is also the, the highest quality, most mature, most experienced college hockey league that's ever been. So I think you got to take that into consideration too. There are no prep school kids coming out in our league right now.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Hey, I, I, we appreciate you answering so many questions about Gavin too. I know there's so many other things to talk about. I think we're just kind of fascina about this prospect coming up. And my next question about him, though, is like, what would your advice be to other coaches who have maybe never coached a guy of this stature? Right. Like, I'm not sure if you've ever coached a guy that's this special coming up, and there's probably a lot of other ones who haven't. What would your advice be to a coach who might be all of a sudden finding themselves get this type of player?

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

You know, I'm not sure that I have the, that I would be able to give advice right now because it's still new to me and I'm learning. But what I can tell you, I think, I mean, if you, if you have the privilege to Coach a Gavin McKenna, just enjoy it because he makes it easy. Like, he's very much about the team. That's what I'm saying. Like, it's very different with him. He was, he, he's still no. And it, but it's more than that. It's not only is there's no ego, it's, it's he really. So he's a very young 17. And, and I remember one, you know, we were like, man, we got to get more physical and you know, in the, in the middle between periods, we got to get him off. He's the guy that goes out, just lays someone out and like, he'll do whatever the team. Like, that's what I think. He's really driven to do what the team needs rather than necessarily do it individually. Accolades. So, so if, if, if you're asking me what's my advice, if you're fortunate enough to coach a guy with that team character that Gavin has, just enjoy it. That's what I'd say.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

That's awesome.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

In 2013, your first year, was that the first year the team had gone for from ACHA or club to D1 we had.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

So I actually coached the club team for one year no way.

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

Yeah.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

Which was a blast.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Oh, I bet.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

Absolutely. This guy. It was a blast. And then. And then we co. We played the next year was independent and we played out of the little rink on campus before Pugula Ice Arena. And that was a blast. And awesome. And what happened? We actually were supposed to have a number of years as an independent to get ready to get in the Big Ten 10, but they saw what this arena was going to be and. And they anticipated the support and what the fans were going to be like.

[Fish (Fish or Fishy)]

And we.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

We sh. Out every game. Like, it's incredible. And so when the Big Ten saw that, they were like, hey, you're not. We're not giving you more years as an independent. You're going in now. That's what happened. So we actually started thinking in 2013, that's when this building was built. That was the first year of the Big Ten, and we still had had. We only had two recruiting classes. Whoa.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

And. And. And at that point, club hockey there and now club hockey. It kind of blows my mind now because there's a lot of schools that have two or three teams, like very pretty good hockey players are. Are going there, not making the number one team. Like, it's. It's an incompetitive, awesome thing for kids to have that can't play D1 or D3, whatever. But when you guys had it, you were kind of the kings. Because at that time, weren't you getting 4 or 5,000 a game?

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

Well, no, no, because our arena that was on campus only held about, I want to say, 600, I think.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Oh, so, yeah, so. But it was packed.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

It was very. But it was packed. And they were really good. They were really good team. They won the ACHA championship a number of times. And the guys were awesome. Like, that was an awesome year because it was all about building for the future. So these guys are just. They're loving it. And then the first year that we played, played, I mean, D1, and even in the Big Ten, we had guys that came to Penn State to play club hockey. They're playing the Big Ten and Pagula Ice.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Oh, so you kept some guys?

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

Oh, yeah. Oh, absolutely.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Had to.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

Yeah.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

It's unreal.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

You kept a lot of guys. That's what I was saying. Like, we were supposed to have a number of years, but we didn't. So we had two recruiting class. So we had two recruiting classes that we recruited, and two recruiting classes were from. From the ACHA team. And these guys were just loving it. It was a blast.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Last how many more? How much more is that going to be happening as far as club teams? I mean, you got to think of some of these. I mean, Yan's is a big bulldog. SEC teams. They got to be coming up with. With. From club to the. To the big dogs.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

No.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

God, I'd love it. I hope so. You know what? Before co, I think that we would have definitely had another Big Ten school for sure. And maybe there's others around the nation there a little. I know that there's a lot of feasibility studies being done and I hope.

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

Hope.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

I really hope that more and more jump in. I would like to see it a lot in the West Coast. I think that would be the way to go.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Well, G says UNLV is next. You remember they beat Denver last year. They didn't have their coach. Yeah, but still, like, doesn't really matter. So that's one he's saying would be next. And the sec. Yeah, I agree with you. Like, like the. The old PAC 12 pack 10, whatever those schools. But then you look at like Keith and I were down at a football game at Georgia. We met the club hockey team.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

Team.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

It's like these. The. The peak. The kids on campus, I don't even think they know it's club hockey. They're like, oh, this is our hockey team. Like, they might as well be in the NHL.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

Yeah, I mean that. I know there's been some great support. I mean, we went to. When. When we played club here. I remember going to Jesus. Was it Oklahoma? I think we went down to Oklahoma. Yeah, they had a great team and it was packed. It was. Yeah, it was a lot of fun. I really hope Corn Moore jumped been.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

I know you mentioned it a little bit earlier, but just like the atmosphere, especially at your rank, and you see it throughout college hockey. You got the bands going. Like, it's so fun to go watch the games, but. And I think Wit's the first guy I've ever heard say this with the playoffs, how it's at a neutral site. They should be in these home arenas. Like, you go with your own fans. Again, like, imagine you guys playing if.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

You'Re the one seed.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

If you're the one not St. Louis, right?

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Yeah.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Like what? It's like, what are we doing in Tampa for, like, there's not even, like, even crazier places.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Places like it's St. Louis and Tampa would be like Vegas compared to some of the places they're going for.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

They did Manchester, New Hampshire, which, I mean, I played in Match. I love Match, but Like, so it depends.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

It depends on the matchups. Like, last year we were at Allentown, which is in pa, And I mean, we had. It was awesome because it was in PA and we had the whole student section showed up. Other real, like, supporters, other alumni that don't. Because it's sold out here, they can't always get in. They went and it was a blast. It was unbelievable. But in some regionals, you know, there, there's flies. And I, I could not agree more. This is something that we've been talking about for a while that I really hope goes. Because, hey, we're very fortunate here. It's an amazing atmosphere, but there's so many other colleges with amazing atmospheres. And I just think about the two colleges that I was at before here, I can't imagine meant Hobie Baker Inc. And Princeton. If they were ever to host the regional, it would be off the hook. It would be unbelievable. It put, it put the hockey program at the forefront of that university for the first time ever. And the same goes for Alaska. It would be. It would be insane. Nuts. It would be nuts. So I, I could not agree with you more. I hope it happened.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Yeah, like. And you just, you know, if you grind it all year to have. There's four number one seeds. If you get one of them, your gift, you're gifted some sort of advantage. So I, I, Yeah, that, that would be pretty cool. That'd be pretty cool.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Hobie Baker went to Princeton, huh?

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Yeah.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

Yeah, he did.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Yeah.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

I didn't know that.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

And so did, actually, Patty Kazmier. So the, the top college hockey players, Hobie Baker Ward. The, the top women's college hockey players, Patty Kazmaier, they're both Grinstonian. So that's sort of cool.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Before we let you go, I got a question. Cause last year I watched a couple of your games, and that, that kid, Aiden Fink, I was like, holy shit. One of those players, you look, you're immediately going online saying, seventh round pick. He lit up his freshman year and then really took off sophomore year. I don't know how he didn't sign. Like, I'm sure you had something to do with it. And I thought, he's missed some games. So he, he's still a point per game, but is he battling an injury?

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

He did well. That's the thing. So Gavin was to play with Aiden, and Aiden broke his thumb very early in the season. He's missed half the games. So that's what, I mean, it. Gavin's been playing with a bunch of different guys. He really hasn't had a. A solid line. So Aiden's coming back. He's coming with us to Spangler Cup. Nice back. So he's going to get his feet on him when he comes back. I think him and, and Gavin are going to have a heck of a second half.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

The. The last thing I was going to ask about is how fired up are the boys and you for. For playing the outdoor game.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

Yeah, it's going to be awesome.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

This is crazy.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

Crazy. You know, ever since I got here, so. So it's been 14, 15 years ago. That is the number one question. Most common question that I get is, when are you guys going to play an outdoor game at Beaver Stadium? I get it all the time. No matter where I'm at, I get it in the airport. Like anybody sees Penn State, they're like.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Hey, when are you gonna.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

I get it all the time. Penn Staters just can't wait for this. So it's going to be awesome. I mean, I think they've. I just heard yesterday they've already sold 60,000 tickets.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

How many can. 110.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

Well, with the construct, I don't know exactly because how construction's going and how they configured it, but they better have some because they've already sold 60,000 GS asking.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Are they also going to do a white out there because you guys are notorious for your white whiteouts.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Have to.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

Yes, they will.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Wow.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

This is.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

This is one step closer because I keep busting my buddy Frank Marzano's chops that Penn State is going to be a hockey school and not a football school. So I think this is the first step. But taking over that field, he can't even.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

He's got. He' got to coach the football team now, too. You didn't hear?

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

That's right. Double dip.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

He's gonna. He's double dipping.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

That's funny. I gotta tell you, Keith, I didn't. But your name came up. So. Frank, you know Frank very well. He's an awesome Penn Stater. Yeah, your name came up the other day.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

I was with him yesterday. He said to say hello.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

Cool. Cool.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

This has been awesome.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Hey, Gads, thank you so much. We appreciate it. Good luck. Good luck in Davos. That'll be a special trip no matter what the record is. But good luck, represent the college college game well and we'll see you. We're going to be out there at Beaver Stadium end of January and we appreciate you coming on.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

That's awesome. Thank you very, very much, guys. I appreciate It. Thank you.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

All right.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Thank you.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Good luck.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Big thanks to Guy Gadowski. Whit had to take off because he's. He's on daddy duty boys week.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Biz, me and you each have four years of eligibility. I would love to play for Guy Gadows ski. Think about it. Think about it.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Like, I. I don't. I didn't even write my own exams in high school. Who's going to help?

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

They're not doing that stuff in college, are they?

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Oh, the athletes don't really have to go to class. Nah. Perfect. Well, here's another guy who never went to class. Let's bring him in. Ra's World.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Hello, everybody. Welcome to Ari's World here in the Spitting Chickens podcast. How's it going, boys? Good to see you once again, Keith. I apologize last week, but, you know, for a little oversight with who was going to play you in a movie, but Casey Affleck, that would be the perfect guy to play you in a movie.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

All right, I'll take it. And I appreciate that. And the one week extra of thinking about it and hitting a home run with one of my favorite actors, Casey Affleck. I really appreciate that.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

All right. Absolutely. Biz, what's going on, buddy? How.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

I got a question. Is he the one that was in Manchester by the Sea?

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Yeah.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

I never saw that, but he was pretty. Did he win an Oscar for that?

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

I believe he. He did. I know he was definitely nominated. I believe he might have.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

I'm not.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

I should know that with my movie stuff, but he's definitely been nominated for. I know that for sure. He was really good in Oppenheimer too. Did you ever see that biz?

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

I saw. I've seen half of it, and I've always watched it on flights, and I never was never able to finish it. It. Because the flight's always ended by the time I. I, like, put it on and watched it. But definitely one that I have to watch, like, to the point where I haven't gotten to Sean Avery scene yet. Like, I need to watch and finish that movie. So, I mean, now that we're on the movie talk here, Ra, you have to be thrilled. Could you ever have imagined when you started this podcast that you would be on Netflix?

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Hilarious. Like, I. I tweeted, I said I watched the Wire for the first time, actually on. On dvd. And that's when I started using subtitles for the first time because, you know, I didn't know a lot of the lingo. And now I joke, like, now people can put subtitles on so they can understand what I'm saying when we're on Netflix. Coming. Coming up soon. Yeah, very exciting. It's just wild. Just. Just another, I guess, another notch for this crazy. This crazy life that we all have. And yeah, the Mother Mary, man. It's fun stuff. I'm looking forward to it, man.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Do you remember the old days we were. I was talking about it with Kristen the other day when Netflix, you used to. You'd get a DVD mailed to you, and then you'd have to mail it back. You could get like two at a time. Remember, you'd bring them on the road and then like, some guys would open up their case and they'd have like, the Netflix. They'd be like, dude, you got to return this. What are you doing?

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Oh, buddy. And yeah, it was. And didn't they have almost like. Like vending machines that would pump them.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Out then they had them after that. Yeah. Kind of their progression.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

And I believe at a certain point, point, Blockbuster could have purchased Netflix or been involved with them somehow. And I don't know who was in charge and who was running the ship then, but talk about a. Talk about fumbling the bag. My goodness, man, that's like the Michigan football coach. That's a bag fumble for. For the ages right there.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Yeah, I. I gotta love hate thing with Blockbuster. I mean, they obviously had a great selection, but they. They gobbled up all the mom and pop stores. But back in the day, you know, I worked at my uncle's video store. So basically when I started, he had like one shelf of adult movies. But the only way he could compete with Blockbuster was just to keep getting more porno. So by the time the store closed, like, half the store. It was like working at a porno shop.

[Fish (Fish or Fishy)]

Come on.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Would there be the room in the back where they could go tug and like, some of.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

We weren't that customer friendly.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Okay. There's like, shops like that that exist where you go there and you pop the DVDs in and you tug in, like the back room with. Which is Bizarre Land.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Yeah, well, like that. There was a Times Square. They used to have those booths you would, like, put like, quarters in. Like a girl would dance fire. And like, you know, you rub one out in the middle of Times Square just watching some girl dance.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Come on. They would have almost like the. In New Amsterdam style.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

I've never been to Amsterdam, but. Well, that, that. I think you just kind of pick your hookers out over there. So I heard. But no, at Times Square, literally, you put like, quarters in and. Yeah, just like crank one out and then, you know, go back to Spiral and grab some pizza afterwards.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

I guess there was no like. Like the Internet back then, right? So you had to kind of either rent the DVDs or I guess even before magazine, VHS.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Go to the file. Just go to the old. The old file right here.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The memory bank or a Sears catalog on the bra section if you're getting real desperate. What else? Ra.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

What.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

What do you got cooking for the boys, baby?

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Just. Yeah, I've been chilling. I'm still feeling a little. Little wonky in the back, but I did go to. I. You know, my buddy Jake Tebo plays well. He's played for Milton Academy. He's at Babson now. He had his family Christmas party last week, so I, I drove out to Fitchburg and last year I went. It's like, you know, it's a, like an hour drive. It's like you don't want to have like one or two beers and then, you know, like, have to drive home. So I was like, buddy, I'm. I'm crashing this year. You know, I didn't get like tuned up or anything, but it's like, I don't want to have to drive home. But he a great guy. Just a great family. All his teammates at Babson, so good to him. All the boys were there. So shout out to all the. All the Babson boys too. So nice time. Great to see Jake and. Yeah, get the Christmas spirit going, boys.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Oh, that's awesome.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Today. Big anniversary today. Biz. 108 years ago today, the NHL opened for business. The visiting Montreal Canadiens beat The Senators. The OG Senators 7 of 4. And the Montreal Wanderers beat the Toronto Arenas 10 to 9.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

9.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

And their first, last and only victory because their bond burned down a few weeks later. I mentioned this a few weeks ago. The Marshall Wonders. So there are only three teams left there. Yeah, their. Their bond got burned down, man. They basically had like 4 foot. The season. Pretty wild.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

No way. And then. And then like, you're saying that because when they eventually, like were recreated, they had a different name and maybe even a different owner. Like, what? How did that all work?

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Yeah.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Why didn't they just relocate?

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

I mean, it was about 19, 1917 or whatever. I don't know if it's really feasible because they basically. There was their arena burnt down and the Canadians, I guess, had first dibs on. I don't think it was the Forum yet, but so, yeah, they basically just kind of suspended operations and I Don't know if they became the Montreal Maroons later or if they just kind of like closed up shop. I'm not sure on that. Ain't that old.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

I got a question. So you said the game was 10, nine.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Yeah.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Is that where the term barn burner came in? Came up. I'm not even. I'm not even around here. I'm asking.

[Z. Bouilliam (Zach or Z Bouilliam)]

Wow.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

I don't think so. Just because it burned down a few weeks later. But that. I like you. I like your train of thinking there, man.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

But it was the last game there you said, right?

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Yeah.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

I didn't know. I just trying to put it all together with my small.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Dude, that's a. That's big brain.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Is it all right.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Also too on that side. I wonder if those players were able to go and play for another team or not or if they just had to go back to their main farm. Yeah.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

And interesting, like some major names too from hockey history. George Vesna, Newsy Lalonde, Joe Malone, Art Rock, Austin side. Dennity. Dennity. Like those, you know, legendary names from the game. Those all. All those guys played, you know, in the first day of the league. So pretty little history, fire business.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

You know, it would be fun is to see like, maybe do like a. Like a tournament, a little mini tournament throughout the NHL regular season. But all the players had to wear the gear from back then just to see how bad the like the hockey would be compared to the technology that existed back then.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Yeah, like shoulder pads basically look like shoulder pads. Women were in the 80s back under their blouses and back.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Yeah.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Moving along. Like, we gotta give a thumbs down of Seattle for what they did the other night with the postgame stuff. I'm not sure if you guys talked about it earlier. They lost five, three to Colorado and they only had one person asking questions. And it was their own in house like team for them. And you know, it was like, I guess other writers were what, giving this guy questions to ask. But it's just weak. I mean, you know, Seattle, they did come up with a statement. The bottom line, it wasn't right. It was a mistake and it will never happen again. But it shouldn't have happened in the first place, man. It's like, you know, it was like, I don't childish, just foolish. Like, you know this. You can't hide this stuff anymore. Everything's online and on the Internet and I just don't know what they were thinking to like, you know, tough loss, things aren't going great there. But you can't, you can't shut out the media man, that deal, that's, that's, that's who you know, publicized all the games and does all that stuff.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

So I was in the locker room shut up because.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Well it was.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Because I don't know what it.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

It was Lane Lambert, the coach, he was sitting there and they had one person just asking, I think his team related just asking them kind of softball questions because they were just kind of fed up. I don't know if they had a closed door team meeting or something happened internally. But they also have been leaking oil. They did have the big win where they came back against LA and tied it in the dying second. But I believe before that they lost like six or seven in a row, all of which in, in regulation. So they haven't been getting points. Do you have their stats? Like how bad have things gotten for them? All right.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

It was actually that the game that was their ninth loss in 10 games the other night. So you know, obvious frustration but that's you know that's just not the way to handle it at that point. What's up G?

[Fish (Fish or Fishy)]

I was actually reading that their shooting percentage to start the year was just like astronomical and they're coming back to earth. They're coming back to earth now they're.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Not said that that they'd come back to earth that members the under the hood is. It's not sustainable.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

And listen great guys in that locker room like you know they're fighting every night but like just an absolute boring team to watch. I watched a few of their games this year and it's like watching paint dry. Although contradictory, that that LA game was not bad but two defensive minded teams. But yeah, you can't be doing that. You gotta fucking stand in the fire. That's why you get paid the big bucks. And that's bullshit. All right. And that's big J journalism for our mortgage boy. The rear.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Absolutely. But some good stuff at msg. Chris Kreider, Jacob Truber made their first appearance at MSG and man cryder like they really gave him a giant stand and oh like I mean a couple minutes long was. I love to see that stuff. But Tristan Jerry though he did not get a video tribute in Pittsburgh because per beat writer Dave Molinari, the Penguins are not expected to have a tribute video for Tristan Jerry tonight. They are believed to have adopted a policy he of giving such recognition only to guys who want a cup here. I mean I, I want to ask Whit because I know he's been bitching about this for years, but I Don't know. I mean 300 games he played there 10 seasons. I was pretty shocked they didn't give him one.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

I kind of, I, I mean I respect the fact that they're doing that. When you have that rich history, I guess you can get away with it. Do I think Jari would be hurt from it? No, I don't think so. I think like, you know, he, he, I'm sure he got the love from his teammates before and then after the game, so I don't think it'd be that big of a deal. But just to go back to the Rangers one too like Chris Kreider, at the end of the day he, he's going to go down as one of the greatest Rangers of all time. Like he is an. He was a stud there for a long, long time. He put in the work like he, he's one of those guys. He came right out of college, lit the world on fire when he played there and then sustained it. How long Was he there? 15 years.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Years.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

13 seasons.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

13 years.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

So top 7 all time goal scorers for the New York Rangers. What is he at? Do you have that information? Maybe G in the back. I, he's. I, I believe he's easily in the top 10 for most goals ever scored. I think he actually playoff, playoff goals. He has the most power play goals in New York Rangers history as a player. So there's, there's a lot that he's done there for that organization and to get pigeon tossed the way that he did, that's bad karma.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

It biz if you were run running a team, what would your standard be to have a video tribute? Would it depend on the player or. It's kind of a case by case basis.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

So as I said before earlier in the podcast, I have everybody in the hall of Fame like I am the easiest when it comes to all that stuff. I where people are bickering about this and considering I'm on board with the, the video tribute. As nice of a guy and as good of a player as Jari is, I don't think he falls under that category. Yan's hit, hit it on the head like they've won five Stanley Cups as an organization. Like you know, if, if Sid, if Gino Gino's retiring so that won't happen. Latang, any of those guys ever come back? Give him a ten minute standing. Oh, they've just had too many guys in that roster who have accomplished so much to be just handing those out like candy and I think that there should, there should Almost be a. Like a board. Like a board amongst the NHL where they have to say, hey, we're thinking about giving this guy a video tribute. Where they're like, yeah. Now some of these players that maybe don't have the impact on the ice as they do off the ice in the community, where it is being done during a TV timeout. So it's not like you're stalling the game at all. And I. I'm actually surprised because I want to say I saw online that during one of the TV timeouts, they did give Jari a video. So maybe I'm getting bad information here, but I think he falls under the category where, hey, man, thanks for your time. We'll come say hi in the hallway after the game. But you ain't getting a video. There has to be a prerequisite thousand points. Get out there, whip your out for your teammate. I don't give a. But the video tributes.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Yeah.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Speaking of the Penguins, man, how about Sid?

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

He.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

He does. I mean, he looks like he's 27 years old out what he's been doing. 19 goals, 16 assists and 32 games. But although Klingberg. Oh, that. That was nasty. The overtime goal with Klingberg and Celebrini the other night, you don't see that happen to sit too often. A guy dangling like that.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Klingberg looked like Dallas Klingberg that. That whole game, he was great. But that move that he made to. In that. Then Celebrini gave it back to him. Right like that. That was an incredible play. And it, you know, one of the worst comebacks or best comebacks, depending on who you root for. That. That game was like. Biz likes to say crack on ice.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

And I know you mentioned the. The announcer Randy Hahn the other day, Biz, but what like, I. I literally was like half asleep and he. His colleague woke. Woke me out of a slumber. He was. It was just epic. And each like, if you listen, they. They put all the goals together in one clip and you know, he just got a little louder. A little louder, a little louder. He 1. So great stuff from Randy Han. Awesome highlights.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

You know, they've been polishing some turds there for a few years now with that team not being good. And it's funny that you said that. Randy ended up texting me today saying, hey, thanks for the shout out. So thank you to you. RA Reaching out mid live podcast in order to give me the heads up on. On who it was. So he's a stallion. I want to say he's in his 60s, looks like. Looks like he's 40 years old, man. Good for Army.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Does an unreal job with them too, too.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Oh, yeah. Oh, which, which one? Who, sorry?

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Army with Pittsburgh.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Oh, yeah. Oh, Army's incredible. He's a great play by play or our color guy.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Boys, we, we want to send our love to Kelly Chase. I'm not sure if you saw the clip the other night. He addressed the crowd at the Blues game and you know, he's been battling cancer for years now and you know, he's had a couple more issues pop up, but, you know, we just want to let you know, Chase out. We love you is one of the most well liked guys in, you know, anywhere around the league. But he was actually in town. It was September. I stopped down, down the nights down the street and he was in town with a Sunday. They had some business to take care of and big Jimmy Veezy was there and it was just the four of us. There was no one down there. And we had an awesome night, man. He was in great spirits. He was telling some awesome stories and, and Big Jim Vezy said, hey, how many times have you. You've been knocked down any Korean? And Jason's like, only three. And I forget who the guy's name was, but you know, Jimmy's like, oh, I didn't know he was tough. And Chase is like, neither did I. You know, it's like hilariously telling the story. So we just want to, yeah, I just want to extend that, you know, I love and everything to you, Chaser. So we love you, brother. Put that out there, man.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

All right, guy, you, you hit the nail on the head there, buddy. Like, the, like, he is a machine too. Like, everything that he's still doing in order to create awareness, everything that's been going on for the hockey, fights, cancer, like him getting on the ice and, and talking about to the crowd and he is, he's an inspiration. The way that he's been fighting and dealing with this, starting a podcast of his own with Brett hall and, and slinging the stories and you could just tell, like being around the boys in, in that locker room setting is what brings them true joy. And especially just doing it through the, the pain that he's in and the fatigue that he's in, like it's affected and he lost his eyesight for I believe, five, six days that he said recently. And just going through all the chemo and everything, man, he is, he's, he's, he was a larger than life, insanely tough Hockey player, and he has surpassed that by light years. The way that he's handled this situation that he's going through right now. So just to piggyback what you said, our, you know, our thoughts are with him. He's going to keep fighting and he's going to beat this fucker because he's, he's as tough as they come.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Yeah.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

When you think of Chaser, too, obviously an absolute killer on the ice. But, but what he's done behind the scenes for that alumni program, like when you, when you talk about alumni programs in the NHL, in St. Louis, is the standard. Right? And he's been the main part of that for a long, long time. So just a guy that just, he's all about others, right? He's not just trying to do it for himself. He's keeping people together, he's keeping alumni around, giving back to the game and, you know, just an unbelievable guy. And just you hope and pray and I hope everybody has him in his prayer, in their prayers and hope that he gets better.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

It's, it's actually the fact that you brought that up, RA Because I saw that video you're talking about that was going around. I actually, when, when we went to the outdoor game last year, it was, it was St. Louis in Chicago. St. Louis ended up taking it down, but Wayne had brought a bunch of jerseys, like a old school throwback, the looking ones that you wore on the ice with chase and number 39 on the back of it. So I grabbed one and it, I actually put it right behind where I record, but we're not recording in our regular or my regular spot today, so it's going to be behind me from now on when we record the podcast. And I, I, I actually somebody left the extra one, so I have the extra one. Yan's, I don't know if you got one or. Yeah, yeah, maybe even R.A. i can send it to you and you could put it behind you there just to kind of continue to show our support for him. And as crazy as this sounds like, I bet you he would love to even come on and talk and just talk hockey with us at a certain point, especially when his energy is where, where it needs to be. So we're thinking of you. We love you, Chaser, and you're an absolute legend and you're exactly what the game of hockey embodies.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Yeah.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Yeah. I was really glad I just stopped in spur of the moment that night. Got to spend some time with him. So that time of year, Christmas time, less than a week away, I know we talk about the movies every year. You know, we're not going to do that. Christmas vacation, Christmas story, Elf, bad Santa. But I. I want to say what the. I think might be the worst Christmas movie. And I hate to say it because I love Michael Keaton, but I was. I put on that Jack Frosty. I didn't put it on. It came on, you know, when he dies and he comes back to life as a snowman. And I. I never heard anything good about it. I thought it was like, this could be like, you know, like a Lia. Liah type movie, father son thing. But. Oh, tough watch. Just a tough watch. It felt like, like they were trying to like, be in like the CGI Olympics when they made it and just had to like, finish this movie in time just to try to get some award. But it was a freaking tough watch. Keith. You ever see it?

[Fish (Fish or Fishy)]

I. I cried like a baby during that movie, though.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

All right.

[Fish (Fish or Fishy)]

Like, that is a sad movie when the kid is waiting for his dad to come to his hockey game and then the dad gets in a car crash and you just think about, like, oh, my God, I love my dad so much. He always just wanted to come into my hockey games. Every time I watch that, I bawl my eyes out.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

I've never even heard of it, to be honest.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

Honest? No. Really?

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Yeah.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Jack Frost.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Yeah, I basically, I'm not going to knock on G. But it was like a movie for like seven year olds who got kept back three times already. It was just like, I don't know, it's. I know it's a. I guess an annual hit, but I don't know, it was a tough watch for me. Again, I love Michael Keaton. I hate even saying that, but what about Biz? You ever go watch the old, like the old ones, the Rudolph and Frosty, the OG ones?

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

The one that was done with Clay?

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Yeah, yeah, like that.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

I watched that sometimes. That was when I watched growing up. I loved. Loved it, obviously, Christmas Story. But yeah, I like to hit up all the. I loved Elf. I thought for like one of the new school ones. Elf's probably at the top of the list.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

That Santa's great.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Bad Santa's great. Jim Carrey and what he did with the Grinch. Perfect guy to replay the Grinch in that one. So, yeah, there's so many good Christmas movies and Christmas was my, My favorite holiday growing up. My mom made it very, very special. And I've told the story before. Like, they would always spoil me and I ended up getting the, The Gretzky the Gretzky Aluminum. The one year. So Christmas is a great time for me.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Absolutely.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Definitely. I don't give two about the gift giving anymore. Like, I don't need one single present. I just want to be around friends and family and be having a good time and a little time off work.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Yeah, absolutely. I think years ago, I mean, like my siblings, we just like, well, you're gonna buy me a hat, I'm gonna buy you a hat. Whatever. It's just like, you know, I'll see you at Christmas. We'll get drunk and have a good time. But yeah, I kind of the gift given seem to get like too, you know, too much over the years. But one other movie I noticed it's obviously not a Christmas movie, but it seems to play at Christmas time a lot. The wizard of Oz. Love that movie. But Keith, you know, I mean, I would say the, the four characters, you know, Dorothy, Tin Man, Cowardly lion, the Scarecrow. I, I would say that's the most iconic foursome in movie history. And, and I love Star wars, but I don't know if you can come up with a more iconic foursome. But you know, two of the four are Boston Irish guys. The Scarecrow and the Tin Man.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

I didn't know that. But didn't the Tin man get like really sick because of what he had to wear from that movie?

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

It was the guy who, who, who was going to play it before him. And his name escapes me. But no. Jack Haley, who played the Tin Man? No, he, he didn't end up getting sick. He actually was born in Boston and raised in Newton. And Ray Bulge, who plays the skier micro, he was raised, he grew up in Dorchester, Cardman Square. Went to Dorchester High.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Really?

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Yeah. And yeah, even at the end she was from Boston too. And if you're looking for a gift for the Bruins fan, your life. Our pal Mike Camito got Bruins 365.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

He did a Bruins one too.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Yeah.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Daily stories from the ice. Great stuff. I know that he's got other versions for other teams, but for the Beast fan in your life, if you're looking for a gift, little last minute gift, snag that to Amazon or wherever else books are sold. So good stuff.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Like new. Is there new stories in that or it's all old school stuff?

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Just. Yeah, from the, from the history of the, the franchise right here. 2020, 22, 1979. Yeah, he skips around the years, but tons of great stuff in there.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

So he did the Leafs one first trader. Come on, Mike should be in the bookstore.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

I, I know boys, we, we, you know, we love to keep it light on here on checkers. But I, I do want to acknowledge Rob Reiner, the director who unfortunately was murdered with, with his wife Michelle the other night. Apparently their son's been charged with. It's just a sad story, but, you know, I just want to, you know, shine a light on what he did. I mean, he, you know, Spinal Tap, Stand By Me, Princess Bride, Harry Met Sally, A Few Good Men. I mean those are, I mean, probably one of the best mockumentaries all time. One of the best coming of age movies movies of all time. Stand By Me, one of the best fantasies. Princess Bride, Harry Met Sally, probably the best romantic comedy ever, and the court drama A Few Good Men. He was also a great actor, all in the Family. Back in the 70s, he was the father on Wolf of Wall Street. But for me it was Stand By Me. I saw that when I was 14. My dad took me to see that and that was right in my wheelhouse. I mean, you know, I was that age, same age as those kids. And I don't know if you saw, I posted the other day biz, I. It wasn't really a review. It was an English assignment my freshman year of high school school and they picked like the best one of the class to be in the school paper. And I, you know, I wrote like a 45 ward hug. I gave him 5 ward hugs. Stand By Me. So. And it was like the first time I ever like realized, okay, I can like talk about this movie in another way. Obviously, you know, I had read movie reviews before, but that was the first time, you know, I ever like really expanded my thoughts on it. So yeah, it's just again, a sad story. Stand By Me, just a timeless classic. And you don't have to be guys, girls. Everybody loves that. Everybody can relate to youth and friendship and all that stuff. What do you got busy?

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

You said, you said that it's considered a, a coming of age movie. What, what do you mean by that? As in like you just like a grow, growth from like adolescence to adulthood and like experiencing like life, like grown up life, things like. What do you mean?

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

No, pretty much, yeah. Basically when you're, you know, maybe an adolescent or a teenager, you know, you're basically not an adult yet. Just sort of that, that age that those guys were in the movie. Yeah, that's sort of a category, coming of age, coming of age movies. You know, there's, there's a handful of them out there, but for my money, Stand by me. The best. I. I watch it every few months just to. I don't freshen up on it.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Is that what your. Your Halloween costume was?

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Yeah.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

The guy.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

So is Ray Brower.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

I've. I've seen parts of the movie. Like, I'm pretty sure I've seen it, but it's been so long. Is that the main focal point as they discover a dead body and it kind of like what transpires from that. That.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Yeah. Vern, you know Jerry o' Connell, who goes on PMT all the time, Married? Yeah, he was. He. When you. When you watch the movie, you never know he was going to be the one to marry a Super Bowl. He still had a little baby fat on him, but, yeah. He overhears his brother and his friends talking about, you know, the. The body that's missing, and then they all go fly to the parents, say they're camping out, and they go look to look for the body. And that's basically the gist of it. It was a Stephen King, like, novella short story, actually. I got the book over there. He wrote four stories in that book, and three of them became movies. Shawshank, Redemption at Pupil, and Standby Me.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Wow. This guy. Like, so I've obviously seen what you're talking about. Ra. Like, I wasn't really familiar with the guy's name or his body of work and didn't realize he was the one to direct all those. I have now seen clips that have been popping up where it seemed like he was close with his son, where he'd be doing interviews and his son would be involved in the interviews.

[Guy Gadowski (Coach G)]

So.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

So, like, what has happened? Like, you're saying that him and his wife were both killed by that son that was in all these clips and interviews?

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Yeah, he's been. Been charged with the murder. He's, you know, had some, I guess, some substance abuse issues, some mental health issues dealing with homelessness. And I guess there was a story in the. I think with the Hollywood Reporter, and I guess he showed up at a party like Conan o' Brien's house. I'm not sure if he went with the parents or if he just showed up. And I guess he was making people real uncomfortable and like, just kind of like staring at people. People.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

And.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

And that was the night before. Yeah, he allegedly killed. Killed his parents. But, yeah, he had been dealing with a lot of issues. And actually they. Rob Rana made a movie a few years back about. Based on his story, you know, having a child with addiction issues and stuff. And it's just. Yeah, it's just, you know, awful.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

So to the point where. So obviously this is. It could become a deeper discussion, like basically drug addiction. To the point where sometimes the parents, like the last. Like the last resort is like, you have to cut ties, right? You have to say, I'm not giving you any more money.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Money.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

You're not going to stay here. That you're not going to. You're no longer going to affect our life with the choices that you're making. And it's terrible because, like, we don't need to get into the whole, like, addiction and. And what creates it. But at a certain point, he was like, no longer at the house. Was that the case recently when he, like, killed them, like, where he was no longer living there and stuff?

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

I. I think he. They might have like, you know, like a house out back, like a guest house. He. He had been staying at. But other stories said he had been homeless. But yeah, he. He basically. Basically has had a lot of. A lot of issues for quite a while. And. Yeah, and it is. It's just a. A tough story. But yeah, I just want to acknowledge, you know, Rob Ryan, right. Also to James Woods. You know, Jimmy, great acting. He did a great interview on Fox the other night. And, you know, those two are polar opposites when it comes to the way politics. The world and politics. But I, I just thought it was so classy with James woods just, you know, he, you know, he put all that stuff aside. He was in a movie with him. Was in his movie. Well, Mississippi. I'm sorry, Ghost of Mississippi, a while ago. And I just thought the way he handled with such grace and empathy and. Yeah, I just thought it was a good example of like, hey, man, you know, the world's up right now. Everything's kind of crazy. And, you know, I. People have more common ground than they realize. So I just want to acknowledge, you know, Jimmy woods for. For saying what he said and just, yeah, we're all here for a while, man. We should try to be a little bit nicer to each.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Oh, for sure. Terrible.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

His scene in Wolf of Wall street when he's trying to watch the Equalizer and someone calls him on the phone is one of the, The. I think it's one of the best scenes in the whole movie with a. In a movie that has some amazing scenes. You remember that scene, biz, when the dad.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

No, no, describe it.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

He's. He's sitting down on his chair trying to watch the Equalizer. The phone rings. He's like, who the is calling me? I'M trying to watch the Equalizer. Walks over the phone. He's like, yellow.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Yeah.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Answer the phone, yellow. And then like he's like, yeah, no, all set. Hangs up. He's like, like he loses. Unbelievable. It's such a good scene.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

That's. I don't remember that one.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

You, you must seen some old law in the family apps.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

Keith.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. What an unbelievable show. That show changed television forever. But good stuff there. So, yeah, Rob Reiner, you know, thoughts and prayers to sympathies to his family and friends. Just a sad story. But moving along here, the same, same vein with movies. My classic recommendation this this week is thief. It's a 1981 Michael Mann movie. The guy who directed Heat the Inside, a bunch of other great movies. It was his first movie directed and it's pretty much regarded as a masterpiece. It's not as James Khan as, as a safe cracker. Like they don't rob houses. They basically break into buildings and steal diamonds and, you know, sell them on the side. Tremendous movie. I think it's on prime right now. Ifas James kind of Sunny Coyon, you know, if he was a 10, like intensity, the guy, Frank and thief is a nine. He's sort of similar to, to Sonny Corleone, but you know, Dennis Farina, you know who that is, Keith or Biz, the, the actor, he was, he was the gray haired Chicago mustache guy. He passed away a few years ago. Well, he was an advisor on this movie. He was a Chicago club at the time. And he, you know, it was his very first movie he was in. I don't even think he has a line in it. And he ended up getting the acting buck and became like this, you know, this huge actor like after, you know, being on the set. And I guess like all the, like Michael, man, he goes deep into details. I mean, you see it in Heat. If you watch Thief, you'll see it there. And on the set there was all like cops as advisors and all the robbers too, but they weren't like scumbag robbers. They were just, you know, boosting diamonds and they weren't like, you know, House Robin or anything. So all the cops and robbers on the set all like knew each other. There was like a familiarity parody on the set all the time. Not something you see all the time, but either way, Thief, phenomenal movie. Check it out. Get, get back to me. Let me know what you think about it. And winding up here, a couple picks. Last week we did all right. Tampa Bay, they won. Covered the puck line, didn't do so good in the football, but Detroit pushed on on the weekend. But tonight, if hella buck starts tonight, Winnipeg plus 200. I know Colorado's been on a tear, but if hella bucks in, I'm taking Winnipeg. That's a pretty good price for a T team, you know, that's got, you know, probably gonna, like, try to get back on. Well, they're in the race right now, but after missing hella back, I think he'll be locked in. And I like them at that price in the NFL. Green Bay, take them on the money line. They're in Chicago. I think the line's one and a half, but just take them on the money line. It's like minus 110 or minus 115. So so far so good. Making a few bucks this year, so hopefully people following along and making a few beans as well. Beautiful. Anything else, boys?

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

All right. Great job, buddy. Great seeing you. Yeah, you're a legend, buddy. Appreciate you starting this goddamn podcast. And now we're on Netflix.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Yeah.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Seriously.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Yeah.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

How long do you have your own premiere?

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Aha. No. Well, ah, what's. I'll be on with you porn, buddy. No. Hey, what solo.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

If. If you could. If you could write and direct a movie, what do you think it would be about?

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Ah, probably maybe like growing up in. In the city, growing up in Boston and, you know, all the craziness. Like, especially ne a neighborhood like this. And I used to, you know, have always say I was going to write a book in college and then when the town come out, basically like Ben Affleck more or less cucked me on that idea because it was, you know, I even had the idea of former hockey player against, you know, bank robbery, all that type of stuff. But yeah, I think. I think, you know, write what you know. That's what they say. So, yeah, I would think some sort of Boston movie, but, you know, said it back in the 70s, back when this city was really banana land. So, yeah, that's probably what I would do.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

He did kind of jack that idea. Ben Affleck. Some guys got it all.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

Yeah, no, boys. Well, I'm not sure if I'll talk to you before next week, but if I don't. Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas to all our listeners out there. Happy Hanukkah, whatever else you may celebrate. I love, love what we do. The. The feedback's been great with our raised world so far. People have been awesome about it. So thanks again, boys, and enjoy your weekend and we'll talk. I'll talk soon. I'M sure.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

That's it. That's a wrap, baby. Netflix. To the moon.

[R.A. (Ryan Ackles)]

To the moon, baby.

[Yans (Yan or Yance)]

Again.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

A bad habit worth breaking, but it's taking time.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

I don't know.

[Whitney (Whitney 'Whit' or 'Whitney' W)]

It don't matter. It's going to happen. It's going to happen again.

[Biz (Biz or Biz N)]

Wait.