Spittin' Chiclets Episode 636: Featuring Colby Cohen

Summary

Spittin Chiclets Episode 636: Featuring Colby Cohen (April 10, 2026)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Spittin Chiclets, hosted by Ryan Whitney (“Wit”), Paul Bissonnette (“Biz”), Rear Admiral (RA), and Producer Grinnell, is a quintessential blend of NHL talk, irreverent humor, and lively banter. The episode dives deep into recent hockey happenings—playoff races, management shakeups, wild card chases, and the college hockey Frozen Four. Special guest Colby Cohen joins to unpack his insights as well as discuss college hockey's current state. This episode also features classic off-the-cuff TSN, hilarious personal stories, and candid debates on key NHL topics, all with the Chiclets' signature edge and camaraderie.

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Main Segments & Key Insights

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I. Banter, Recaps, and Listener Stories

[02:12–09:30]

• “Pinkies up!” Recapping the popularity of Pink Whitney (the podcast’s signature drink) at the Frozen Four, stories of post-game celebrations, and the Pink Whitney party at Vegas.
• Wit tells a childhood littering story that lands him in trouble with his dad, provoking a hilarious round of discipline memories.
  • Wit: “Sometimes you gotta learn a lesson the hard way...that was one of the days for me.” (03:50)
• Merles’ infamous casino moment: demands a blackjack table go to video review after being missed on a blackjack hand, leading to a table shutdown and ejection.
  • Wit: “I don’t want to hear him ever complain about offside and goalie reviews. Every blackjack table, we’re going to the cameras at one point!” (06:01)
  • Biz: “If you go to video review and you slow down the table and create a fiasco, and you’re wrong...ban. Instant ban from that casino.” (06:35)

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II. Biz’s Arizona Adventure: “Peaking/Seeking” at Havasu Falls

[09:45–21:00]

• Biz breaks down his trip to Havasu Falls in Arizona: the logistics, beauty, history, and cost of visiting this coveted natural wonder.
  • Biz: “Very hard to get these passes, guys… it’s actually the most expensive permit to buy as far as Parks goes, it’s a $450 permit… three-night stay.” (10:57)
• Mule rental for gear, Indigenous history, the unique mail delivery system (by mule), and the breathtaking landscape of waterfalls amidst the red rock canyons.
• Group laughs about mules being the “fourth line grinders” of the animal world, and why mules can’t reproduce.
• Biz on camping sleep: “My biggest key...Bring, like, a pillow… a tempur-pedic pillow, maybe a mattress, little extra weight for the donkeys.” (19:54)
• Yan’s laments never visiting Havasu in nine years living in Arizona: “We used to go out to Sedona every year...I never even heard of that. I’m so pissed.” (20:46)

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III. New Jersey Devils Front Office Shakeup: Pasha’s Therapy Session

[21:45–37:03]

• Pasha, a self-acknowledged suffering Devils fan, unpacks Tom Fitzgerald’s departure as GM—what went wrong and why it had to happen.
• Debate over what’s “on Fitzy,” including:
  • Poor drafting, over-use of no-move clauses, inability to land Quinn Hughes, and the ripple effect of early contract decisions (e.g., Dougie Hamilton).
  • Pasha: “Horrific drafting...That Quinn Hughes trade—final stake in the heart, or in the mule, I think.” (24:24)
• Devils’ core vs. Toronto’s: How long do you ride a young core before blowing it up?
  • Wit: “It’s not a GM coming into a team that's ready to win this.” (31:05)
  • Pasha defends the Devils’ health/age and rails against any mention of “rebuild.”
• Sunny Mehta, analytics-forward exec, touted as a big name for Devils GM; debate over “math guys” in management vs. traditional “hockey lifers.”
  • Biz: “I don’t care who’s in charge, but you’re a mental midget if you don’t have a strong roundtable willing to call you out.” (37:51)

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IV. Playoff Race Chaos: East & West Wild Cards, Statistical Madness

[53:07–90:21] Subsections below.

1. Flyers—From Purgatory to "Wagon"

• Wit: “The Flyers are a wagon. They’re actually so fun to watch." (53:47)
• Colby Cohen explains team culture shift, Zegras’ improvement, Martone’s rookie surge, and Rick Tocchet's rise against fans' complaints.
  • Colby: “Martone...he’s just, he looks every bit the part...the kid’s a freak.” (53:47)
  • On Travis Sanheim: “He’s quietly so good. Like you said, you want no adventure from D at this time of year.” (57:40)

2. Bruins Prospects and College Standouts

• James Hagens excitement in Boston (60:06), impact on depth chart.
• Colby notes: “He always plays with his head up...and can help Boston right away on the power play.” (60:06)

3. Wild Card Watch

• Ottawa’s late push, Buffalo’s scoring lead, the Islanders’ defense (Schaefer), and wild swings in standings.
• Colby: “Schaefer, he’s worth buying a ticket to go watch.” (66:00)
• Why fans (and Colby) want Flyers-Penguins first round: “I want to take my kids to see a Flyers playoff game this early!” (67:33)

4. Caulfield’s 50, Montreal’s Ascension

• Caulfield finally hits 50 goals—none of which were empty netters.
  • Wit: “You forget how fast Caulfield is, man. He was neck and neck...and then just takes off" (72:23)
• Montreal’s top line potentially the highest-scoring in the league, Suzuki poised to hit 100 points.
• St. Louis’ coaching impact: “Would Caulfield ever have a 50-goal season if St. Louis wasn’t his coach?” (75:54)

5. Pittsburgh’s Resurrection: Crosby’s Last Dance?

• Penguins clinch despite all preseason predictions.
  • Wit: “This guy [a listener] bet me $200 the Penguins would finish with more points than the Oilers...Incredible call.” (77:06)
• Dan Muse’s coaching turnaround, Carlson’s late resurgence, and credit to Kyle Dubas as GM.
  • Biz: “That Carlson move ended up paying off... he looks like he did the year he had 100 points again.” (79:39)

6. Western Wild Card Mess

• LA’s unlikely wildcard rise: “The Kings might do this...I don’t know how they’re doing it. They’re just...” (84:26)
• Shout-out to Utah’s playoff clinch, Kopitar’s leadership, Ryan Smith’s mammoth Zamboni.

7. McDavid’s MVP Race

• Despite Kucherov/Celebrini mania, the crew settles on McDavid for MVP thanks to dominance (even killing penalties, shorthanded ice time).
  • Wit: “He’s the MVP. I’ve made up my mind.” (86:13)
  • Biz: “If Crosby somehow wins a fourth Stanley Cup out of nowhere...he has to go on the Mount Rushmore.” (81:42)

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V. College Hockey, Frozen Four, and the State of NCAA

[100:09–130:45]

• Colby Cohen dives deep on Denver’s sustained excellence, Coach David Carle’s impact, and the “winning DNA” of their program.
  • Colby: “He just gets these guys playing more mature than 85% of NHL teams.” (102:04)
• Coaching job stability and why some great college coaches stay: “Jack Parker could have coached the Bruins, but some guys value family stability.” (106:13)
• NCAA media issues: no video allowed during the Frozen Four, TV deal complaints, the lack of national promotion compared to other college sports.
  • Colby: “The game and the product on ice is great, the media side is totally broken.” (109:44)
• USHL vs CHL: debate over strength of leagues, possible future integration, and why each development path matters.
• Need for a “college hockey commissioner,” overtime rules inconsistencies, and why a ‘Premier League’ model isn’t realistic yet.

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VI. Ari’s World & Final Roundup

[137:53–175:10]

• RA’s pop culture picks (The Friends of Eddie Coyle, The Godfather viewing stories), funny Boston run-ins (meeting Pasta at the store), and Bruins/NHL history tidbits.
• Stats: Caulfield is only the 7th Hab to score 50, Suzuki first Hab with 70 assists since Lafleur.
• Bruins’ fan irrationality: “Complaining about Pastarnak’s turnovers is like dating a supermodel and complaining about a mole on her back.” (152:47)
• Merles’ Vegas liquor license gripe during Frozen Four—classic NCAA oversight!

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Casino Drama:
  “If you go to video review and you slow down the table and create a fiasco, and you’re wrong...ban. Instant ban from that casino.” — Biz (06:35)

• On the Arizona Trip:
  “Those people have been living down there for 800 years...it’s the only place in the United States where the post office mail is delivered by mule.” — Biz (13:01)

• On Devils Fandom:
  “Happy is not the right word...it had to happen. I’m glad it happened. At least ownership is tapped in, they care, changes are coming.” — Pasha (22:41)

• On Flyers Talkett Fans:
  “The hate towards Rick Tocchet—it bothered me so much this year. If anything, he’d be asking people not to talk about this stuff; it makes his life harder.” — Colby Cohen (54:02)

• On McDavid’s Greatness:
  “Every year, I think we get numb to it. Then you see nights like against Utah and San Jose—you’re reminded what we're witnessing.” — Wit (88:23)

• On Pastarnak Hate:
  “Complaining about his turnovers is like dating a supermodel and complaining she has a mole on the back of her shoulder.” — RA (152:47)

• On College Hockey Media:
  “The game and the product on the ice is great, but I think the media side is totally broken.” — Colby Cohen (109:44)

• On Cloud 9 Productions & Leafs Rebuild Pitch:
  “We’re not going to call it The Roundtable, we’ll call it The Blunt Rotation. That’s what we’re doing for the Leafs.” — Biz (44:44)

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Timestamps

• [02:12] – Pink Whitney, littering story, casino drama
• [09:45] – Biz’s Havasu Falls trekking story
• [21:45] – Devils GM firing, Pasha’s therapy
• [37:03] – Management hiring: analytics vs. "hockey lifers"
• [53:07] – Flyers’ resurgence, Zegras, Martone
• [60:06] – Bruins’ prospect hype, James Hagens
• [65:57] – Islanders, Schaefer’s D scoring record
• [72:22] – Caulfield’s 50th goal, Montreal top line
• [77:06] – Penguins clinch, Dan Muse’s breakout season
• [84:26] – LA/Nashville wild card chase
• [86:13] – McDavid for MVP, Kucherov/Celebrini race
• [100:09] – Frozen Four, Denver’s dynasty, Coach Carle
• [109:44] – NCAA’s “broken” media strategy
• [130:45] – Ari’s World, Boston fandom, whalers doc
• [152:47] – Bruins fans’ irrational Pastarnak complaints

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Conclusion

Episode 636 is a sprawling, raucous Chiclets classic—sports talk with no filter. Beyond the laughs, the crew delivers incisive hockey breakdowns, big-picture debates about the sport’s future, and lots of love (and shade) for the teams and personalities powering the NHL’s wildest season yet. Whether you’re a diehard fan or a casual listener, this episode’s mix of stories, analysis, and hot takes guarantees you’re caught up for the home stretch to the playoffs.

Transcript

[Ra]

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[Biz]

I brought it towards the coyotes and I asked them if it was okay if I joined the Spit Chickens podcast full time.

[Wit]

Brian Whitney's got a pink Whitney out there now.

[Biz]

Sandbagger. Get that on camera.

[Wit]

The song man is a full time member. Marley just got an assist from Chris.

[Yan's]

Whoa, we're buzzing right now.

[Wit]

What is up everyone? Welcome to episode 636 of the Spitting Chickens podcast. We're gonna get a recap on peeking We Pen Biz and the buttered chicken and his trip to the mountains of Arizona. Shout out first. Pink Whitney. Pinkies up. We're talking about it. Apparently it was everywhere in Vegas, the Frozen four Right now, Denver moves on at double overtime, Wisconsin shocks North Dakota and we have our national title game set up for Saturday night. But pinkies up. Everyone in the arena giving Merle's and G pinkies up. And all of a sudden, they leave the. They leave the rank and they see empty bottles on the ground. So pinkies up is working. Shout out. Pink Whitney. Shout out. Pinkies up.

[Biz]

Bottles are the nips.

[Yan's]

Hey, we do not condone littering.

[Wit]

No, if you litter, you're a real.

[Biz]

You're a piece of wit.

[Yan's]

Tell you a littering story.

[Wit]

Which one?

[Biz]

Oh, he's got a smile on. I can't wait.

[Wit]

What?

[Yan's]

Didn't you get caught, like, having a party and you threw stuff out and your dad found the trash or something?

[Wit]

I don't remember that one. All right.

[Biz]

Could Keith tell it?

[Wit]

I don't remember that. I remember, like, when I was real young, like 15, I would just litter, like, out the window. Right before I got into my town in the other town next door. I'm like, I'm not littering in my town. And then that was what I think you're thinking. And my dad found out, and he's like, you've been littering, like, you know, chucking a Gatorade bottle out. And that was a bad, bad, bad day to be in the Whitney household. Sometimes you gotta learn a lesson the hard way. Sometimes you have the spoon. Sometimes you got to learn. Learn what it takes to actually be like a good human being. And that. That was the day for me. That was one of the days for me.

[Biz]

So you would obviously get spankings as a kid. Like, my mom gave me the spoon a few times. My dad.

[Wit]

What's the spoon?

[Yan's]

Wooden spoon.

[Biz]

The wooden spoon on the. On the hoop. Boom, boom.

[Wit]

No, I never got that.

[Biz]

My old man, he gave me a big spanking one time, but he. You know, he cried after. He was emotional. He didn't want to do it, but business being a fucking donkey, he. He's being. Show hl guys.

[Wit]

Well, he saw you getting, like, turned on as you're getting spanked. He's like, what the hell is wrong with this kid?

[Biz]

You're a fucking idiot. You are such a fucking idiot. Tell mom to come in here and choke me.

[Wit]

I. I forgot.

[Colby Cohen]

I forgot.

[Wit]

Basically, my parents.

[Biz]

Listen to this pod.

[Wit]

Total mine. Pink Whitney party. Pink Whitney party tonight at Tom's Watch Bar. That's for Merls G and the guys at.

[Biz]

How's Merls doing? Is he alive?

[Wit]

He's doing good, I guess he's doing good.

[Biz]

How do you do with the tables last night?

[Wit]

Yeah, for sure. He lost. For sure.

[Yan's]

Seat.

[Merles]

Been a tough few days at the tables for Murr.

[Ra]

Been a tough.

[Biz]

Hey, I just gotta ask one thing. How's he been to the dealers?

[Merles]

We only have one incident. There's only been one incident so far where we had to stop the whole table. He asked the pit boss to go check the cameras. We had to shut everything down. Ended up getting removed from the table. I will say he was right. The dealer didn't deal me in. Merls missed blackjack because they forgot to deal me in. And Merls lost it on the guy, and then I lost it on Merls. Just wasn't having.

[Wit]

That's what you got to do back to him.

[Merles]

Oh, yeah. Just right. He goes, this isn't your table. It's my table.

[Biz]

Merl said that? Oh, no.

[Wit]

The dealer said that. Business.

[Ra]

Yes.

[Merles]

Pit boss goes, I want all the chambers. C tamers check. We ain't playing another hand until the cameras get checked. And we get this figured out because.

[Biz]

Because you had your money down, ready to go, and he just didn't deal your card.

[Merles]

Yeah, had my money down. Was sitting there, and he just, like, didn't look to me. And Merles was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. And he kept dealing. He kept dealing.

[Biz]

Didn't stop. Merle didn't stop.

[Merles]

Didn't stop. So the next card after Merle hits blackjack, and Merls was like, whoa. Like, that was my card. That was my blackjack.

[Wit]

Merles should never, ever. I don't want to hear him complain about offside and goalie interference reviews, because every time I'm at a blackjack table with him, we're going to the cameras at one point.

[Biz]

No, he's.

[Yan's]

He's going to Toronto.

[Wit]

Oh, he. He's going to the cameras once a time at a table. He's always. I want. Nope. I want to go to the cameras. So for a guy who's, I think, dogged, goaltender, interference and offside review, he's a. He's a. An instant replay guy at the casino.

[Yan's]

He has a video review guy check out.

[Wit]

Yes.

[Biz]

I would say this. If you go to video review and you slow down the table and. And create a fiasco if you're wrong. Ban. Instant ban from that casino. Never come back.

[Wit]

But he's not doing it in the

[Yan's]

pot of, like, 50,000 that you can go to the cameras.

[Biz]

What was he betting when he. When he went to the cameras?

[Merles]

He. I think he had, like, 500 bucks on the table. So he would have hit blackjack. That's a nice little hit there.

[Biz]

Okay, That's Fair.

[Merles]

Yeah.

[Wit]

I thought maybe, maybe he's not usually going to the, to the, to Toronto. He's not calling a Toronto unless he's getting crushed. Like, if he's hot, he'll just, it's more like him calling a timeout.

[Merles]

Well, he was dead. It was funny because he was like dead sober too. Was like right when we sat down at the table, he, Justino Merles, didn't take a single drink and just became. Had that like, look in his eyes where he's just like looking for it with the, with the dealers.

[Biz]

That's, that's the thing. Sometimes I have a hard time going to a table with Merles because he like, demand every, like, he commands, like the, to be the guy.

[Wit]

You kind of get like that a little bit too, though, buddy.

[Biz]

If, if I, I do, but I'm. Everybody get together. Everybody helps make the decision and keep it moving. I just hate when people are slow. Like, keep the, keep the mojo going. Some people it's just like, hey, buddy, we're not here to watch your 30 minute hand blackjack hand. Like that. Like there's, why are you looking at me like that, buddy?

[Wit]

I, I, I think because I hate

[Biz]

the way that some of you guys play at the blackjack table.

[Wit]

How do you hate the way I play? I buzz. I buzz. But some people do too.

[Biz]

Some of you guys. I didn't say you. I don't. I get uncomfortable when Merle's is going at it with the dealers.

[Wit]

I get unfamiliar fish commented. Mer was a hundred percent right in this situation.

[Biz]

That's fine.

[Wit]

So that should be known. I guess that should be known.

[Merles]

He was definitely right.

[Yan's]

Did he get his money?

[Merles]

No. Yeah, they gave, they gave him his money back. They g, they ended the, they ended the hand, gave him his money back, and basically were like, get out of here. Get off the table.

[Yan's]

Just, just, just right now.

[Biz]

Like, like, I'll say, like, I'll say this. Like, if you're, if you're at the table and then like it hits 16 and then the guys there, like, waiting. Like, what does the book say? I don't want to be at a table where a guy's waiting every time he gets 16. Like, he's going to like, somehow guess it every time. It's like, no, you just want to

[Wit]

play by the book. If, because if you play by the book, it's boom, it's hit. Stay.

[Biz]

I just, like, I like, I want it to be it to go like that. I want it to be.

[Merles]

I'm with you there.

[Wit]

Yeah, I Agree. I just think, like, I. I don't expect that because it's people's money. So then you're always going to have heman and h. But I'm with you.

[Biz]

But that's why you got to get the table with, like, the three, four, five of your buddies, where you guys are all aligned, and then you can go on a nice little run. So. Oh, yeah, I don't think there's randoms. I think if you put, like, top 10 activities you can do with your buddies, I think that blackjack would be on. On the top 10 list, too.

[Merles]

Craps the boys.

[Biz]

The problem is with the craps is, like, sometimes that other people come up. It's too easy for other people to walk up. And then, like, sometimes the mojo they bring and the attitudes. Get the fuck out of my face.

[Yan's]

Why you go to the high rollers?

[Biz]

Oh, they don't let me in there.

[Wit]

Speaking of high rollers and just more content out of the machine that is biz. Nasty peak in season two. It began with a bang, literally and figuratively, of the buttered chicken. Stop. And. And I. I didn't know you. I'm not an Indian food guy. Never have been, never will be. But you apparently, like, it had never tried any, though. You never.

[Biz]

I couldn't remember a time where I went to an Indian restaurant. Like, there might be a friend of mine who was like, oh, no, we went, like, four or five years ago, and I was like, oh, fuck, I don't remember that. But, like, I think this was my truly, my first, like, sit down. Full Indian experience, where I got, like, the butter chicken. I can't even really name the other stuff. Like, I'd have to call wonton in here, who's sleeping in the next room over. So he's probably losing his mind right now over this blackjack talk. But, yeah, he brought me there. He's a great. He's great at, like, finding restaurants and researching. And really, he, like, does a lot of the research for these types of peaking trips we go on. And we just ended up doing havasu falls, boys. Uh, I'll say. I think it's ranked as, like, top five, like, hikes in the United States.

[Wit]

Those pictures are nuts.

[Yan's]

Incredible.

[Biz]

Yeah, yeah. No, it was. It was unbelievable. So very hard to get these passes, guys. Like, you could go years without like, trying to get it, and. And then you just can't because there's. There's a limited amount, and it's actually the most expensive permit to buy that you could buy as far as Parks goes, it's a 450 permit to go there and get to enjoy this experience which is a three night stay. So the way it goes is like. So it's actually not. Well, I know we call it peaking. Well in this case we called it seeking. We seeking because you actually have to walk down into the, the Grand Canyon. Like a part of the Grand Canyon. So that's how it all begins. So it's in northwest Arizona. You drive to the Havasupai trailhead. So like I said door to door from Scottsdale it's four hours. They have a, a cavern in hotel or motel and like they have these like this like weird cave exhibit there that you can go see. So obviously Donnie found that and we went in this like old school cave and you'll see on the video that was kind of, kind of silly. And they, they have like a, a wedding chapel down there so you can get married down there. There's like a room where you can stay. But nobody stayed there the last two years. And I think they've like Kai boshed it because it's like two grand, kind of a little pricey for their demo. Like the type of people going to get married in a cave and staying in a cave, you know, 200 bucks. It should be too cheaper than the motel. Yeah, yeah, should be cheaper than that. So you stay at this cavern in place and then from there the trailhead is about like, like an hour. So you drive there, you leave your car and. And so for us, if we were going for the three days and we weren't in a time crunch, we probably would have brought everything ourself. But you can rent mules. So we put our, our. Yeah, you can rent mules to bring your stuff to the, to like all the way down. So from the trailhead all the way to Havasu falls, it's a 10 mile hike. So and then, and then 8 miles from the trail head there's a village like these Indians who, they own the land. Like it's their land. They're the ones who charged a 450 for the passes there. There's a little village there and they like if like for instance we were going down to that unreal waterfall that I texted you guys, one of the ladders broke. So they're going there and they're. There was like an hour and a half delay to go down because you're going down these steep steps and like there's like chains where you have to hold while you're walking down and then there's a ladder part and the ladder broke. So they just go up. Boom, boom. They fix it and then you go on and enjoy your day. So pretty remarkable to see that these people have been living there for I believe it's been 800 years. And it's the only place in the United States or. And maybe even the world probably more so United States. Maybe other third world countries do it where the post office, like the post mail is delivered by mule. Like to get.

[Wit]

Hey, donkey.

[Biz]

You.

[Wit]

You rented to carry your tents and stuff. Five star donkey keep.

[Yan's]

It's got an Amazon sticker on.

[Biz]

Oh, I knew you guys would love the mule. It's so they're mules. So there's a difference. I think it's like when a horse and a donkey have sex. They make a mule and mules like they're like. Because of the way they're created by the crossover, they're like, they can't reproduce. So a mule, the mule can't. A mule and have a kid. Mules can't reproduce.

[Wit]

They're just there to like carry stuff.

[Biz]

They're there to their workers. They're fourth line grinders. They're there to open the gate. They're there to pour you a water if you need it. You want the Gatorade? Okay. Over. You want the Pepsi? Sure, I'll get you the Pepsi. Yan, you want me to tape your stick? I'll tape your stick too.

[Wit]

But at least you were getting laid. These four frigging mules, they don't even get that.

[Biz]

Oh yeah? Well, I don't know. Maybe they're getting at it at nighttime when they got their little break.

[Yan's]

Can't have sex. He said they can't reproduce.

[Biz]

Exactly. It's like, you know, they don't have to buy rubbers. They're saving money. But so to like rent the mules to bring down some of your supply, it's like I think 200 bucks, maybe 300 bucks. But keep in mind like I still have like probably like a 45, 50, 50 pound pack on with like food in it, your clothes for the three days that you're there. I always pack like a lot of socks, like just so you want your feet dry all the time. I had an extra pair of shoes because you're going through like, I'll keep going to explain like the whole like hike and what it provides. But so you, you start by going, you descend like essentially like a cliff where you park down into where like the, the Grand Canyon is. And then it's kind of desert, like and it's wide. And as you keep getting closer and closer, it narrows and narrows and narrows. So you're looking up and there's just these like walls that are like whatever, five, 600ft. And it's like, you know, very, very beautiful. The lights hitting it. You got the red rock. And then you don't get to water really until, until you get like past the city. So you're not really seeing much water. So you gotta obviously pack that. And then the Havasu Falls part that you see mostly like on the postcards and stuff, that's the first thing you see when you get there at mile 10. Like, it's like, wow. So you get to jump in. You're obviously, you're sweating your dick off because you just hiked that long. It's hot out, you're in the middle

[Wit]

that water is that like so.

[Biz]

So there's like a filtering station where you can go fill up your bottles. But you're supposed to bring these, like he brought like these great filters wonton, where you put the water and then you squeeze it out and it goes through the filter and then it's drinkable just in case. Like it takes out like the, the few pesticides, I guess that would be in there, but you will pass. So I thought that that was basically going to be it as far as the big waterfall. Well, Don, read the comments about going camping at the back of it near Mooney Falls. So we walk about 15, 20 minutes from the start of the campground to the back of the campground. I would say there was like I said 250, maybe 300 people there camping. And you get the three days and when you, when we, when you camp at the back, you all of a sudden you walk about like 20, 30ft and you're on the ledge to the one that I sent you, which is Mooney Falls, named after a guy who accidentally fell over it and obviously kaboom. I mean, tough way to go, but at least you kind of get a landmark named after you. And when you go, when you walk down that, then you can walk another hour and a half to something called Beaver Falls. That was the other one that looked like these different layers where you can go and you can jump into the next pool, jump into the next pool and the current isn't strong enough where it's just going to like push you over the edge so you can actually enjoy like a chill area. And then if you want to go to the final destination, it's a three and a half hour hike past that you can't camp at the final destination. It's actually where all those falls meet the Colorado river, so you can see it all come together.

[Wit]

But that this picture of Beaver Falls is crazy. The fact that this is in Arizona is shocking to me.

[Biz]

Yeah, that's the thing, too. And you're. Once again, you're in the Grand Canyon. So you have all these red rock. Like, essentially, they look like mountains to you because you're so deep into the crevice surrounding you. And it's crazy because there's in some cases there were, like, palm trees down there. So there was, like a tropical vibe. And so the vegetation you see when you go from, like, straight desert to all of a sudden where there's water and these crevices, it's pretty remarkable, boys. Like, I would recommend it to any. Anybody listening. Like, if you and your spouse or, like, you guys laugh at me, you can chop her in and out. If I could get, like, 12, 15 tags, I would do it as, like, a bachelor party with my buddies. Like, at that point in time, if I ever got married, it's like, I don't need to, like, go to Vegas or, you know, I don't need to. I don't know if Yan's and Wit are coming to have a Sioux Falls, maybe with the chopper on the way

[Wit]

in or what, have a few falls. I. I just. I mean, you say you don't need Vegas, I agree. But I don't need, like, a rattlesnake either.

[Biz]

Like, no, it's. I think it's pretty good. Like. Like, they don't. Like, they. They see, they hear the footsteps. Like, there's so much traction there that they don't want to be anywhere near you. Like, that's a very rare occurrence. And then. But yeah, like, so anybody going? I would say, obviously, you get the Havasu Falls every morning as an awesome shower. The. The Mooney Falls is the they that's the main attraction. And then the hour and a half hike past that over to Beaver Falls and then back, that's. That's all you need. If you're there for the full three nights, definitely go see where the Colorado river meets. Meets the falls. But you. But we didn't have time to do it because I had to come back and get back to work.

[Yan's]

Did you sleep in a tent?

[Biz]

Oh, that's the worst part. So you're basically. You're sleeping on a mat this thick and you're waking. I was waking up every 20 minutes because you're so sore, and then you're turning over to the other side. My. My biggest key to people listening would say would be bring. Bring, like, a pillow. Like, stuff a pillow, if you can. I know it takes up a lot of space, but, hey, you got the donkeys. Maybe to bring one down. Maybe a tempur Pedic pillow. Little extra weight for the donkeys.

[Yan's]

Get a king mattress.

[Biz]

Yeah, Just a temper.

[Pasha]

Yeah.

[Biz]

The whole. A tempur Pedic mattress, man. Imagine that. Imagine a donkey carrying.

[Wit]

See the mule, lay down on it. He's like, done. Unbelievable.

[Biz]

But very special few days, guys. And. And I think for those of you who haven't heard about it, just, like, Google it. And if you ever have the opportunity, if you live in Arizona and you haven't done this crazy.

[Yan's]

I lived there for nine years, and I never even heard of it. I'm so pissed. I never. Because we used to go out to Sedona every year for, like, two days before training camp to just, like, relax and stuff.

[Ra]

Huh.

[Biz]

So does Variable.

[Wit]

Is that what that was?

[Biz]

That was two. That was two hours from me. I. I posted what I posted. I. I'd been out in the. The boonies. I had no service, and I. I post those videos. Like, did you see Variable? Did you see Variable? Did you see Variable? I'm like, what the Is everybody talking about? I guess he was having fun in. In Sedona. And. And, yeah, a lot of people hold

[Wit]

hands in finger lock position.

[Biz]

100.

[Wit]

Yeah.

[Biz]

I mean, guys, that was me.

[Wit]

I think another picture came out of them at, like, a bar together. I don't. I don't. That doesn't seem like a great situation, but what do we know?

[Biz]

You want to get away?

[Wit]

Go to Havasu Falls?

[Biz]

No, no. No cell reception there either.

[Wit]

Biz. So you've been out of the loop. We've had a crazy weekend.

[Biz]

I know. Yeah. Talk some hockey.

[Wit]

We're gonna have Colby Cohen on in a minute. We got Ari's World later. We have a lot of news in the playoff races that's just been wild. Pretty cool stuff going on there, but we'll get to that in a minute because I want to bring on our guy right now. Pasha, this sick, sick bastard has been bitching and whining all year about Tom Fitzgerald, blaming all of his problems on Tom Fitzgerald, and I guess his wish. Wish came true because Tom Fitzgerald is no longer a part of the New Jersey Devils. I guess agreed to part ways is how it was worded. Pasha, what do you think? How happy are you?

[Pasha]

I guess I would just like to clarify. There was Lots of blame going around. It wasn't just on Fitzy. I was pointing blame at Keith Dougie. I mean, at one point, I was putting blame on their social media team for that post, cutting Quinn out of the photo. So I was pointing a lot of fingers.

[Merles]

I don't know.

[Pasha]

Happy is not the. Not the right word. I would much rather be celebrating Fitzy successes as gm. That's what would have made me happy. This is kind of more like it had to happen. I'm glad it happened. A bit of relief because now I know at least ownership is tapped in, they care and changes are coming. So from that sense, it's a relief and I'm optimistic of what's coming next. But, yeah, I would have much rather be celebrating 50 success. So it's. It's unfortunate.

[Wit]

So you've talked a lot about injuries. It's just injuries. And honestly, if Jack Hughes hadn't cut himself with the knife, this could be a completely different story this year. I mean, considering what he's done since the Olympics, if they never lost him, who knows? But it was interesting.

[Biz]

They were leading the division when it happened. They went on the rookie party in Chicago. Weren't they, like, first or second in the division?

[Wit]

They were in a good spot.

[Pasha]

I know they won eight games in a row up until, like, I don't know, a week before that happened.

[Biz]

Yeah.

[Wit]

Okay, so what is on Fitzy in your mind? What is. I mean, maybe it's. Maybe it's Keith as well, as you just said. But you love the Meyer move. You love the contracts that they gave out to guys. You were all in on this team prior to this season. So with injuries affecting them and maybe bad coaching, why is it Fitzy that's. That's eating this? Like, what is a. What. What would you say to fans who are wondering that, like, how is it his fault?

[Pasha]

Well, first and foremost, I would say horrific drafting. I mean, they have had a lot of top 10 picks that they've whiffed on. And then especially you look at, like, who was taken above them, and I think, like, the stinger was that, like, some guys that were taken above who they picked ultimately were in that Quinn Hughes trade, which I think was the. The final stake in the. In his heart or the dagger and the. Whatever the saying is. I don't know, it's 5am here, but

[Wit]

in the mule, I think.

[Pasha]

I think the drafting was a huge thing. Horrible drafting, which obviously is not just on him. There's, you know, the rest of the scouting staff, but that's the first, I think some bad contracts in the ways of no movement clauses. And I think we saw that come to fruition with the Doug Hamilton situation. He made his bed. He had. He got forced ultimately to sleep in it. You know, he gave out that no move clause to Dougie and then he wasn't able to convince him to move. People are kind of questioning why does Jonathan Kovacevich have a no move clause? The Devils have the most no move clauses in the NHL. Andre Palat had one. He ultimately decided to wave to go to Long Island. So I think sort of just handcuffing himself with giving those out. Um, and then like I said earlier, I. I think failing to land Quinn Hughes was kind of. Was kind of it for him. I think it was the worst kept secret in hockey that Quinn wanted to play with his brothers. He wanted out of Vancouver. And just the fact that he's not able to get that deal done, it's just. It's just like, what are you doing, man? What are you doing, Pasha?

[Yan's]

Like, no offense to Jersey, but that's like kind of. It's not a top destination for most guys, so they kind of have to give out those new no move trades.

[Pasha]

Yeah, that's fair. That's fair for sure.

[Wit]

But I guess with the. With the Quinn Hughes one, he's lit it up so much that. That it was like when it went down and he went to Minnesota, I know all you Devils fans were flipping and that to see what he's actually done there, it's made it even worse. So that probably was. Was it in the end.

[Biz]

Yeah. But do you feel like that move would have salvaged New Jersey season, though?

[Wit]

Like that.

[Pasha]

Dude, that happened second week of December.

[Yan's]

Yeah, that's true.

[Biz]

Yeah. But I'm just. I. I just don't know if you throw Quinn Hughes in. In that lineup that it makes enough difference to where they make playoffs. Like I.

[Pasha]

100% it does.

[Biz]

Oh, okay.

[Yan's]

Well, that's Jack steak for him.

[Biz]

That's. That's your opinion. But everything else you said about the New Jersey Devils, you've been wrong on so. Well, buddy. You. You.

[Wit]

Yeah. Saying 100% crazy, Pasha. It's crazy.

[Pasha]

Well, second week of December, this was before the season needed salvaging. That was still like, okay, like, they're still in the playoffs, Jack's still hurt, but like, there's still three months left. Like, this was pre alarm bells going off, but when that trade happened, the Devils went on a massive skid and I saw some stat like two months after that where Minnesota was like the highest scoring team in the league since then. And the Devils were like, yeah, they

[Biz]

also have other really good players around

[Colby Cohen]

and the Devils don't.

[Biz]

I. I think that they have. Bet I don't know, man. You tell me. Go through the list of guys that you want them to keep and shit like that. And another thing too is like, I think that, like you talk about the, the worst kept secret in hockey. Like, I don't think anybody liked that Dougie Hamilton deal. When they signed it, it felt like it was way too rushed. They weren't at their time where they needed to sign. Maybe they wanted an offense, a, a, a good reputable offensive defenseman to have on the power play to make sure like Jack was happy so he had someone to snap it around with. So if. But like, I don't. That felt like a rushed move.

[Colby Cohen]

You see, I didn't have.

[Pasha]

I didn't have a huge problem with that at all. And to me, on the scale of like, issues like that Dougie contract when he gave it out, compared to fumbling getting Quinn Hughes is like a 1 out of 10 where fumbling Quinn is a 10 out of 10.

[Biz]

Yeah, but buddy, that's part of the reason why maybe you have to make like potentially like move money out. Like, you can't move a D. He's going to be on the books. You also have to pay him. I think that that is part of a variable in why they didn't get him. No.

[Pasha]

Yeah. I mean, I think Dougie not waving is part of that variable. Yeah, for sure.

[Biz]

So once again, I think that that was a bad contract to give out at the time. It felt rushed. Another one, like, how do you like Kovchkin? You keep you. You were glazing him nonstop when he first came in the league about all of his defensive numbers. Like, you talk about the shitty drafting, yet every one of their prospects, you're ready to get on your hands and knees and give them the gluck. Gluck.

[Pasha]

No, I wouldn't say that. I definitely wouldn't say that.

[Biz]

I think I've heard more about that fucking Grits than I have Connor McDavid on your milk.

[Pasha]

No, Gritsuk is one of the low and bright spots of this season. Gritsuk has been incredible. And I think the first order of business, or one of the first orders of business after firing Keef for the new GM needs to be signing Gritsuk, because that guy is fucking. I knew the offense was there, but

[Biz]

eight years don't move.

[Wit]

Yeah, exactly.

[Biz]

In Another contract you're gonna be fucking losing your mind about, like, Frank the Tank next year.

[Yan's]

But how many home runs in the draft are you. Are you supposed to hit?

[Pasha]

Like, I'm not even looking for home runs, but like, Alex holtz at fucking 6. And like, there's just, there's. There's too many. I think he's had like four guys become NHL regulars out of the last, like, hundred. Like, I saw some crazy stat. Like they've drafted horribly, horribly. I'm not looking for generational guys with every pick, but their draft record is no bueno.

[Wit]

And that's when you look at, you look at if the new GM comes in. Like, that's obviously an enormous part of it now, but is it too late? Like, could they end up. Could they end up needing a little bit of a rebuild here?

[Ra]

No.

[Pasha]

Off.

[Wit]

Hey, listen, buddy. You said. You said 24.

[Pasha]

Jack Hughes is 24. Luke Hughes is 21. Meitz is 21.

[Wit]

He sure is only Nemesis going to get traded. By all.

[Colby Cohen]

By all.

[Wit]

Yeah.

[Pasha]

He will bring back a very good haul.

[Wit]

Okay, Fashion. All I'm saying is that you. You make it sound. And we'll get Sonny Meta. This is the hot name in the streets. Okay.

[Biz]

I was going to ask him about who he thinks in management is the play.

[Wit]

He wants Sonny Meta. He wants him. And Toronto obviously wants this guy as well. But I guess he's from New Jersey. He's been the assistant gm, a lot of people say a big part of the Florida Panthers, three trips to the Stanley cup final in the last three years. So he's going to have work cut out for him. But you make it sound like if he goes to Toronto, it's a tear down, it's a complete rebuild. Like, I don't look at it as that different from New Jersey. I really.

[Pasha]

I think it's extremely different. I think that Toronto core with Marner had what, eight or nine cracks of the playoffs, they couldn't get it done. Now Martyr's gone. This Devil's core. Everyone talks about health, which is very valid, but as a healthy core, they've had one fucking crack at the playoffs and they beat the Rangers and they lost in the second round. Other than that, they. This isn't a core.

[Biz]

That's on you guys too. Well, yeah, that's not. That's not like a compliment. That's not like something to brag about.

[Pasha]

Well, I. Well, I'm saying injuries, freak, injuries, a lot of them too. So I'm saying this isn't a core that's had eight cracks the playoffs, and you're like, okay, this. This core is not getting it done.

[Colby Cohen]

The window.

[Pasha]

They're now, I would say, like, two years into their window, which have been burned because of fucking injuries and a couple other things. But, like, this. The rebuild word is ridiculous.

[Wit]

Toronto. I didn't mean rebuild, but it's not like a g. It's not a GM Coming into a team that's, like, ready to win this.

[Pasha]

I think they're. I think they're a lot closer to being competitive than you think. Like, I think they could easily be Eastern Conference finals next year with a couple tweaks.

[Wit]

Okay, let me ask you something.

[Pasha]

And health. Health. Health is key, obviously.

[Biz]

I'm getting deja vu right now, though.

[Wit]

Same here. Biz. Pasha. As. As a fan, talk about coach, gm, anything you want. You don't think that you got to look at this core and say, there's got to be some changes made here. No, listen. And it's not Jack Hughes. It's not Jack Hughes. Like, you've. I mean, he's been so dominant since the Olympics. The guy is an offensive superstar. But you're telling me you wouldn't consider trading Nico? He shared, like, there has to be some. So you're just going to continue with the same core and the same course?

[Pasha]

That's. I'm saying. How many times do people say that about Washington in the early 2010s? All this core can't get it done. Can't get it done because they lose in the second round for 10 years in a row, then they finally won the Cup. Like I said, the Leafs had, what, eight or nine cracks the playoffs with that core didn't do.

[Wit]

I'm not ready. People say they should have changed the core. Yeah.

[Biz]

But I'm not ready to give up after one.

[Pasha]

One healthy playoff crack.

[Biz]

Okay, first of all, as if enough of our fans don't hate Pasha enough, we're spending the. The. The Eastern and Western wild card. Racist. Kicking it off with his.

[Wit]

No, we're gonna get there. We're gonna get.

[Biz]

I know, I know, but posh. I. I'm looking at this. The. Their. Their group. Who is your core? Let's go through the list. Timo Meyer is. I'm gonna go through the list. Timo Meyer, is he in your core?

[Ra]

Yes.

[Wit]

That's a tough one, Nico.

[Biz]

He sure is. Dawson. Mercer. No, you don't want Mercer anymore.

[Yan's]

You need guys like that.

[Pasha]

Well, I wouldn't say no.

[Colby Cohen]

No.

[Pasha]

I wouldn't say I wouldn't want him. But you'd be selling low on him right now, and I need a lot more out of him, but I'd be fine under a new coach. Different usage, Giving him another chance.

[Biz]

Okay, he's sticking around. Jesper Brad, obviously. Jack Hughes, Connor Brown.

[Pasha]

I wouldn't say he's part of the core, but ever since he's been playing with Jack on the first line, he's been great. So I definitely want to keep him, but, like, I wouldn't say he's like an untouchable, like, core piece, but I want him on the team.

[Biz]

Okay, let's go through these guys. I'm assuming that you're like, give or take, Bugstad Glass?

[Ra]

Nope.

[Pasha]

I like glasses at 3C. Yeah, I'm fine with glass.

[Biz]

3C, you're fine with there. Paul Cotter.

[Wit]

Nope.

[Pasha]

He can go.

[Biz]

Mark McClellan. McClellan. Mark McClellan. He's listed as our fourth line center right now.

[Pasha]

See ya.

[Wit]

He's core.

[Pasha]

Gritsuk is core. Gritsuk is core.

[Biz]

Okay, so here's a few of their injuries that they're dealing with right now. Pesci, obviously you want sticking around.

[Pasha]

Yep.

[Biz]

Luke Hughes, by the way. So he's getting another surgery right now.

[Yan's]

Why did they wait till now?

[Pasha]

Yeah, that's a good question.

[Ra]

I'm guessing.

[Biz]

Never understand that.

[Pasha]

Well, at the time of the injury, they were still, like. I mean, to me, they were done, but they were still kind of in the race. So I guess, like, him and his team and the. The team all kind of decided, let's just rehab it and bring him back. And then when, you know, if they were officially out, they shut him down. But, yeah, it's frustrating. I mean, I would have rather everyone knew that they were done, whatever. That was a month and a half ago when he got hurt. So, yeah, I mean, you can't fault a guy for saying no. Like, I want to come back to the battle and try and try and make the playoffs. But, yeah, I mean, would be nice if he got that done a month and a half ago.

[Biz]

Okay, so Pesci and Hughes are in. I'm. I'm. I'm assuming that you want Stefan Nason. I like him as a player.

[Pasha]

Uh, I like him as a player, but, like, he's. He's lost a step and, like, okay,

[Biz]

you don't want him anymore. What about Zach McEwen?

[Wit]

Who.

[Biz]

That's McEwen. He's on the IR.

[Pasha]

See ya.

[Wit]

That's out.

[Biz]

So.

[Wit]

And then you go, that's a cup core. That's the. That's Washington Capitals. In 2012.

[Biz]

So you don't want. You don't want Hamilton, you want Sean Thaler, you want Brendan Dillon. You're saying Nemech is gone and then keep going.

[Pasha]

I'm not saying Nemetch is gone. I would find having Nemet under a different coach better usage, but if he can get us a fucking stud sniper forward, sure. That's a different combo. If you can package Nemetz for a Brady Kachak or something, or even Quinn Hughes if he wants to get out of Minnesota.

[Ra]

Yeah.

[Pasha]

Nemetz is a very valuable chip I would use in a trade. Yeah.

[Yan's]

So posture like Sunny Sonny was part of that. You know, changing of the core here. Like getting rid of Uyghur, getting rid of Huberdeaux. Like, th. Those were big shakeups at the time. They were part of the core down here in Florida. So who out of those guys would you want gone to get your team to that next level?

[Wit]

That's my point, is he sure could get a boatload.

[Colby Cohen]

Dude.

[Wit]

Oh, no, no, no.

[Pasha]

Yeah. And then who's your 2C.

[Biz]

You don't replace.

[Pasha]

He sure. That's a Bergeron light. He's a top.

[Ra]

What do you want?

[Wit]

He sure Brady Kachuk. If you could just randomly. Just random a question.

[Pasha]

He's sure.

[Wit]

Okay, okay. All right, all right, all right. That. That. That's standing your ground. Because I feel like a lot of Devils fans want Brady Tkachuk and Ottawa fans. You know, we are not the ones behind right now. We are loving the sense.

[Biz]

I think there needs to be a punishment next year if New Jersey doesn't make playoffs. Like, a severe punishment.

[Wit]

Like, you can't root for him anymore, but.

[Biz]

Well, just. I've never seen somebody so confident about being so wrong and brutal. His team. Yeah, they're worse than the Leaf.

[Pasha]

No, but this is the. Your team sucks because they've cracks. And I know you say health is a factor, and. Yes, it is, but when they're healthy, they've had one.

[Biz]

This guy's bragging about not making playoff sports.

[Wit]

Weren't even on the stream yet. He goes, man, I'm not, like, trying to be that guy. But, like, we have, like, four more wins in the Vegas Gold Knights. And I'm like, oh, my God, buddy. Like, that's how this league works. You didn't get in the playoffs. You're not good enough. You're not.

[Yan's]

One of the jerseys in New Mexico. In the west, they'd be in the playoffs.

[Biz]

Yeah, okay, but.

[Wit]

But before we get to the races and stuff, the Sonny Meta conversation is part of a bigger one where in every sport we're going way more analytical with GMs and this guy is a big time analytics wizard. Correct, Pasha? Correct.

[Pasha]

And it's interesting because when he was with the Devils, I heard that he had Jesper Brat ranked third best player in that draft.

[Wit]

I saw reports that that was bullshit as well. I did see the tweet you're talking about, but I'm wondering, as a guy who loves the under the hood stats, I know you're down with hiring GMs like this that are numbers based and looking at different formulas, calculations. It's not everything.

[Biz]

Oh yeah, look at the lotion next to his desk.

[Wit]

Yeah, but what or biz. I'll ask you, like, what do you think of that? As opposed to like a hockey lifer, a guy who maybe played. I see arguments for both sides in terms of like finding a good balance.

[Pasha]

That's the reason I would like Shanahan as the president of hockey, because he played, he understands the meat and potatoes

[Ra]

side of the game.

[Pasha]

He was a tough motherfucker. That's why I would like his voice there with Meta.

[Biz]

So my whole thing is like, I don't care who's in charge. I think that you're, you're a mental midget. If you don't have a strong roundtable and other people who are willing to tell you like, you're wrong, I think you're a fucking idiot for doing that. You need to have people calling you out, like, personally, like, like, like. I was, I guess, a little bit critical of Chico when he was with the Coyotes. I felt that his biggest issue is like, I'm like, He's got no one in the room. First of all, he's 27 years old, but he doesn't have anyone else in the room to say, I maybe don't handle this situation. Maybe don't go meet the player here that played here for 21 years, whose name is Mr. Coyote, and tell him he's not going to be with the organization at the fucking breakfast spot right next to the practice rink. You know, things like that maybe where you're like, ah, no, that's not how we handle things here. So I think it's also always important to have strong voices at the table. People would say, well, Shanahan was with Dubas in Toronto to contradict what you just said. But I once again, it goes back to like, I don't know that dynamic. And what was. What was being shut down and who had full control. And yada, yada yada. So it seems like this guy, though, is very, very highly touted. And it seems like he's probably okay having other strong voices and people around him that will help him make the decision. I mean, Yan's, you're probably the most familiar with him. Yeah.

[Yan's]

And that, that's a great point because I think when he first came in the league, it was like all numbers. He was kind of the numbers guy. Wasn't really known as like the hockey. Like you said, having the hockey background.

[Wit]

He was Jonah Hill and Moneyball.

[Yan's]

Right, Exactly. But I know he spends a ton of time with luongo and Brian McCabe, guys who have been around the league for the last 30 years and I'm sure just like bouncing ideas off them, having strong opinions. Like talking to guys that have been through every situation in the NHL has probably got him more on the hockey side. And, you know, obviously he's using both sides of it. So I think, I think him being around guys like lou and Brian McCabe has been huge for him and I don't think he's afraid of a strong roundtable.

[Wit]

Okay. So that, that's a big part of this all. And Merle should wanted me to mention he's also heard some Jamie Langenbruner rumblings in terms of going back to New Jersey where he was just, I mean, what a playoff type player. That's a guy who I look at,

[Biz]

you're gonna get Bruins, I think. Okay, yeah.

[Pasha]

Assistant GM of the Bruins and a

[Biz]

name like I. I don't mind the guys where you, like, don't hear about them, they're just like grinding. They're scouting, they're doing their thing, and the next thing you know, they're. They're like a GM or assistant gm. Like some of these guys are just hiding out, hiding out in the weeds. And I think that the best assistant GMs and the guys at the roundtable are the one who are in the bowels of the arena who are asking the trainers, what is this guy like? Like watching these guys play night in, night out, live in the flesh, just not on live barn. So it should be interesting, boys.

[Wit]

But yeah. And it's crazy at this point in the year to have Jersey, Toronto and Nashville GM openings. That's wild. And that's. You got to get this figured out quick drafts going to be here right before. Before we know it. Right. You want to get your whole organizational depth chart in check in the next, I think, couple weeks.

[Yan's]

I think Fitzy goes to Nashville.

[Pasha]

Yeah.

[Biz]

And I. Yeah. I hope so. Fitzy was always great to me when we were. When he was in Pittsburgh. So like you said, posh. It's not something to, like, celebrate. It always sucks when you see guys lose their jobs. Like, felt like shitty. Like, obviously trees a buddy and I, you know, I have a lot of respect for him. It sucks. It sucks to see these guys lose their job. Obviously they're not going to be kicked out on the street and starving, but it's still, you know, they want to be in the game and involved and, you know, you want to have success.

[Wit]

Agreed.

[Pasha]

Biz question for you. If Shanahan is named President of Hockey Ops, will you text him asking for a Devil's Ambassador jacket on my behalf?

[Biz]

No, but I'll, I'll be the first one to congratulate him. I tech I texted him after the Toronto thing and every now and then I'm like, hey, how you doing? And he spent. He's getting a lot of family time and spending time with his kids. Right. So you can get enjoyment out of not being like fucking grinding your cock off in the hockey world as he's done for the last, what, 30 years? Sometimes you got to go live life and enjoy your family. And I'm sure he's had a nice reset and I'm excited to see what he can do with another team.

[Pasha]

If he gets hired and the Devils go on a 10 game heater next year, will you text him and ask

[Ra]

for a Devil's Ambassador?

[Wit]

They go on a 10 game heater every year, Pasha.

[Biz]

Yeah, no, every. You know what though?

[Wit]

Pause game here.

[Biz]

I'll. I'll genuinely be happy for you because maybe we'll get quicker edits on the sandbaggers instead of you sitting in your forums looking at your great way to

[Wit]

send this out here. How's the Gruden McDonough maroon one coming?

[Pasha]

It's unreal. It's so funny.

[Wit]

Okay. Yeah, okay.

[Biz]

Gruden was not happy with my snap count. I think he thought I was chirping him. I was a little worried after him,

[Wit]

like, oh, no, I consider doing one after how mad he was at you.

[Pasha]

Things got a little testy between you two. It was like an Ernie Clement situation where the front nine, you were sucking each other off and then by the end you were each other.

[Biz]

Well, these guys peer pressure me into like, hey, we got to win a match here. Yeah. Is a competitive bastard, man. Well, you too, Wit. But Yan's would be like, well, no, it was you who said, quit sucking Ernie off in the cart, biz. Like, I'm like, fuck. I'm just trying to get a Q a for the GoPro here. Relax, dude.

[Wit]

I know. That's why the front nine, I love that stuff. And if we're down on the back nine, it's like, buddy, I need you to turn into like fourth line biz. Like, Shane Doane just got elbowed in the head. Like, I don't need you being tummy stick guy at center. I scratch the 31st straight game.

[Biz]

But since we're talking about GM searches and you did casually mention the Toronto Maple Leafs, I did have an idea because apparently Pelly has been like, seeking out, like, help to. On how to approach this hiring in this situation. I did have a meeting, but I clemented myself. I took a gummy the night before and I slept in and missed it. But if I did. I know, I know. But I will share with you guys what my idea was. I. I can be a part of it if you. If they still want me to. I don't need to, but I would. I would start by complete rebrand and I would call it Cloud nine Productions, obviously, because I like to smoke weed and Snoop Dogg is a Toronto Maple Leafs fan. He does like the Leafs. So we would need. Why you.

[Yan's]

Why are you giving me this one Penguins fan?

[Biz]

No, that's just a jersey he wore for that album cover. I got his manager texting me all the time that he loves the Leafs and he loves Max Domi, so that's one of his hockey teams. I'm. I'm sure he's probably the type of guy who has the jerseys of every single team.

[Wit]

Who's that remind me of exactly?

[Biz]

We're. We're diversified. I think that that's what we add to the group. That's what we add. So Obviously with Cloud 9, like, they had. I think they have five or six assistant GMs. We need more. I don't think there should be one guy in control. I think it should we talk about this strong roundtable. We're not going to call it the Round Table. We're going to call it the Blunt Rotation. Okay? That's what we're.

[Yan's]

Puff, give.

[Biz]

Puff, puff, give, Buddy. And we're. And we're going to have a strong one. Names like Yan's, you're gonna love this one. Hockey Illuminati. He. He's gonna be the voice of the fans. I feel like the fans need to be represented. Why are you looking at me like that? Wit.

[Wit]

I'm just.

[Biz]

I'm talking.

[Wit]

I just can't believe it's Leafs. It's Leafs. It's Leafs. But I get it because I'm just

[Biz]

telling you my pitch on how for us, we just spent 20 minutes on the New Jersey Devils. I'm just giving you my Cloud 9 pitch production.

[Wit]

I like Cloud 9. Name a lot.

[Biz]

You don't want. You want to know why I call it that? Well, obviously, because I like smoking weed. It's because if you look at the CN Tower, which, by the way, that's where the round tables will take place up there. So there'll be a big. Like a big, like, evil layer type. Type round table kind of like move.

[Wit]

Does that always move?

[Ra]

It always.

[Biz]

It's always on rotation.

[Yan's]

It's gonna go a little slower, though.

[Biz]

No, no, we're gonna speed it up. Speed it. Kind of like those ones where you go to the carnival and you're stuck against the wall for the meeting.

[Wit]

Gravitron.

[Biz]

The Gravitron. And we're Bust that over. So the top, the CN Tower kind of looks like. Like a. Like a bong. The top of a bong. And then you got the Rogers Center. Like the Sky Dome, essentially, the ball diamond. The ball diamond. It kind of looks like the bowl at the bottom. So we're actually going to paint the top of the reclining roof of the Sky Dome green to make it look like it's filled up with fresh herb.

[Wit]

Right.

[Biz]

And then obviously, you can open the roof, too, when you're done with smoking.

[Yan's]

Seattle. You know how Seattle, the top of their building is grass.

[Biz]

Yeah, do it like that. There you go. That's part of the table. We might as well be environmentally friendly and make a legit grass roof. And that's kind of the extent of my idea right now, but I wanted to for sure have. Who's the Ford that's still alive? Is it Doug Ford?

[Wit]

Yeah. Rob passed away. Doug.

[Biz]

Doug Ford's gonna be at the table? Yeah, he's gonna be at the table.

[Yan's]

I think you need nine guys. Cloud nine. You need nine guys?

[Biz]

Well, that. Yeah, it's cloud 100%. There's nine assistant GMs. We need female representation. I was gonna ask for your guys with help on who you thought the female at the table should be.

[Yan's]

Maybe if Snoop's coming, you gotta bring Martha.

[Biz]

That's g. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. So stupid. Mark, Martha, take up two spots. Hockey Illuminati, the voice of the fans. He's the third.

[Wit]

You're four.

[Biz]

I was fine I'll hop in there. I was gonna get Wendell and Doug. So we're at six. Of course. What would Wendell do? He doesn't have to be there all the time. If he just wants to pop in. We just kind of run when he's there.

[Wit]

He's got to wear that. That. That armor jersey you got behind you.

[Biz]

Yeah.

[Wit]

And that's like. It's like a king coming in or a night.

[Biz]

For sure. I love. I love that idea. I love that idea. Well, that's six.

[Wit]

Let's workshop the next three.

[Biz]

Let's workshop. Cloud Nine Productions coming at you. Nine assistant GMs. The rest of the league is we. We and you. You know, I think we should keep donor around.

[Yan's]

Yeah, of course.

[Biz]

So that's seven. And we do need an analytics guy. And I think that we should get Chaika in the mix and they can make amends. That would be like a good. Like. I know you're shaking your head, but people make mistakes. We know. Who would you get for an analytics guy?

[Colby Cohen]

Pasha.

[Biz]

I just.

[Yan's]

So you can flip out on him every once in a while. It'd be unbelievable.

[Biz]

Once in a while. Once in a while. We'll be drafting, like, the New Jersey Devils with this guy. So Cloud 9 Productions. We'll get back to it. Still work in progress. What would Wendell do? Let's move on to the wild cards.

[Wit]

Yeah. The last thing before the Seattle Kraken. Ron Francis is stepping down as president of hockey operations.

[Biz]

Add him to the Cloud 9 production.

[Wit]

This guy. This guy. One of the greatest players ever. Like, just look at his numbers. Things haven't worked out in Seattle. They. We were shocked that they were, like, in the playoffs most of the year. They're not going to make it. I got to say, honestly, and I've said this before, I got nothing. I got absolutely nothing. I looked up my guy, Jordan Eberle, who now you can call Unk. I mean, he's leading the team in scoring. I think he's got 55 points. The fact he's still doing it, incredible. I love Ebbs. Maybe the most boring. I don't care. I don't watch him.

[Biz]

Team in the NHL until Bobby McMahon got there.

[Wit]

Either way. Bobby McMahon. But they. You know what they did? Beat Vegas in a shootout on Wednesday, a Thursday night that could end up leading to the Oilers, Pacific Division title winners. But Seattle. Don't really know where you go from here. We'll try to figure that out at some point, but I need some exciting hockey out of there. I need something different. Shout out Ron Francis.

[Biz]

You see that? That buoy multiplied. They got another buoy.

[Wit]

Yeah, I did. That was. That was. That was horrifying. They're making moves about that. Sorry. Tweeting about that.

[Biz]

They got. They got Ron Francis out. Another buoy in. Jesus Christ. Figure it out, Seattle.

[Wit]

Okay, listen. Eight days remaining in the 2526 regular season. Seven game days and there's action everywhere. I think it's time. Bring in Colby Cohen. Very excited right now to talk about a new sponsor. The Goats. The Kings of chocolate.

[Biz]

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[Wit]

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[Colby Cohen]

What's going on, guys? I'm just sitting here listening to all the bra. The brainstorming that's been going on.

[Wit]

Brainstorming at Cloud nine, that's for sure.

[Colby Cohen]

It's. I like the Martha Stewart idea. That was probably the best.

[Yan's]

Thank you.

[Colby Cohen]

Best tagline of the bunch.

[Biz]

Your voice sounds like you smoked us out of a playoff spot in Cloud 9 Productions. What's going on there?

[Colby Cohen]

Well, we do two games yesterday and overtime after overtime, just eventually it's. It goes away. So I'm. I'm probably hurting a little bit today and I got to go over to. I got to go over to t. Mobile and, I don't know, a couple hours and we do this thing where, like, I have the captain from each team that's going to play tomorrow and we film like a 10 minute conversation and hopefully these guys aren't taking swings at each other, but we'll see.

[Wit]

Oh, they're. They're with each other together.

[Colby Cohen]

Yup. It'll be me, Ken Anderson and Ben Diximer from Wisconsin. And everybody's got a mic and they usually do coaches and Butchie does it, but they're changing it up this year and it's like, I don't know if you guys ever saw, like, Johnny does those things for TNT or, or Bleacher Report where he, like, kind of does those, like, skate and conversation. I think that's kind of something similar, but we'll see how it goes.

[Wit]

All right, Colby, I want to get to the frozen four in a minute, but people are starving. And we've talked Devils in this so far. I'm going to start here with a tweet I sent the other night. I said, I can't believe I'm saying this, but the Philadelphia Flyers are a wagon. And they're not just a wagon. They're actually so fun to watch. Now, Detroit kept their season hopes alive. Thursday. They get a big, big dub over the Flyers, but the Tuesday night win against the Devils was electric. Zegras has been incredible. You grew up a Flyers fan in Philly. What do you think? Are they going to do this? Are they going to get in and shout out one more thing? Porter Marton with another goal and an assist in a loss last night. He's. The kid's a freak.

[Colby Cohen]

Well, Biz, I think my relationship with the Flyers fans is similar to yours because they have not liked what I've had to say this year.

[Ra]

Really?

[Biz]

Oh, well, yeah, because you've probably been positive.

[Colby Cohen]

No, no.

[Wit]

Is this me? Are you going after Mechkov?

[Colby Cohen]

I would never go after the guy, but I just, you know, the, the, the hate towards Rick Talkett. I've just. It bothered me so much this year and it's just so funny, the whole, like, oh, you know, people are. The minute something goes wrong and the fans are like, oh, talk. It's talking to all of his media buddies and he sent the. He sends.

[Biz]

I never talked to him once in the first half, and then I'm. By the second half of the season, I'm like, why are they asking for this guy to get canned?

[Yan's]

And they did a full commercial together.

[Colby Cohen]

It's. It's crazy. And I'M sitting there and I'm like, if anything, he would be asking everyone not to talk about this stuff because he's, because it just is making his life harder in Philly with everything.

[Biz]

So the fans, that was January, by the way, Yance, or second half of

[Colby Cohen]

the season, they've been after me this year because it's just like, hey, you know, I feel like when you have Jonesy there who's such a trusted voice, you have Danny Briere who's like such a smart, well thought guy and then you bring in talk. So I feel like it's good to see them good again. Like the, you know, the buzz around Philly and, and it seems like there's some atmosphere back in the building. And so I just, I'm so happy to see talk like, you know, quieting all the noise because we all know what players think of them, you know, and people get so angry when you, they want to know what goes on inside the locker room and they want to know what the guys think. And you guys obviously are all talking to the guys, different teams and whatever. Everybody knows people from playing in weddings and whatever else. And they just, then they get angry when you tell them what's actually going on. Right. And so it's, it's been crazy to watch them go on this heater on the road for the most part. And then, yeah, Martone, like, he's just, he looks every bit the part. Like when do guys, I mean we all thought Ryan Leonard would do this last year. Like he just come in right away and, and he's, I mean Leonard's, he's fun player to watch. Like he's good, but it, it took him a little bit of time, which is, which is normal, it's reasonable. But I, I mean Martone, like he, he's entering. I mean if you guys remember when Kreider first came into the league, just like how good he was like right away or Charlie McAvoy or, you know, I'm just thinking of other college guys that like came in right away and just like played at the hardest time of the year and played well and, and Martone is, is the real deal. I mean, you guys are watching it too. Like he, he's. Him and Forrester coming sort of back at the same time. And you know, Zegras is playing for a new contract. You guys know, like, guys tend to find it when, when that's the case and you know, he just seems so at peace this year. He said he did an interview with, I think it was, it might have been, it might have been with Eric Johnson the other night on espn and, and they asked him like, why are you playing so well? And he like thought about it for a second and I think he was like about to talk about hockey and then he just totally reverses gears and he's basically just talking about how loved he feels, whether it's fans, coaches, management, everybody's. And he just, I mean the guy looks unbelievable this year, right? I mean, I, I, it's like so all these guys are having career years. Dvorak, you know, looks like he's got the fountain of youth, Martone, you know, like, I think Travis Sanheim is, I don't know why or how he's still underrated because he made the Canadian Olympic team. And I feel like once you do that, the world should be on board

[Biz]

game is, is like, oh, Sanheim played tonight. Like that's his, that's a good thing though. So, yeah, just breaking up stuff like, oh, I didn't notice him.

[Colby Cohen]

I mean he, he was, he's a defenseman like Yan's like you and Wit, obviously defenseman and you don't want adventure. I mean, you guys got away with it, you know, like, especially you, Yan's, like you were, you, you know, with, you could go on adventures while you played. Like you, you know, and, and Wit, especially like when you have those years where, where you were, you know, like you were playing at the top of your game. And so Sanheim just is quietly so good. And so all these guys are having career years and so it's, it's great to see those guys good, like, good for them. You know, Travis Kinectne, that guy's a fucking warrior. I want to see him play. I want to see Travis connecting in the playoffs. Like he's, he's like a Brad Marchand type of guy. I mean he'll, he will literally kill you to try to win, you know, so little. It'll be good to see that too.

[Biz]

I've been happy for Couturier too. I know he's dealt with some injuries and you know, it's hard cause he signed that big deal and I think that, you know, he's had to try to live up to those expectations. But like you said, I feel like, like this new regime has kind of gave these guys purpose and a good feeling inside. Where Dvorak, like he was kind of bouncing around a little bit. Talk had him in Arizona, which I believe his two best years besides this year, points wise were with Talk in Arizona. So I feel like he's obviously helped instill that confidence and trust him from his time with him there. Zegrus, you basically got like a broken player who's coming over from a, A team. He, he, he felt like he was not wanted. I mean, I, I don't think things kicked off well with Verbeek and the fact that they were negotiating on a, a contract for what felt like forever. So it seems like a, a bit of, kind of the misfits. They were able to get the misfits together and figure out a way. Look at Vladar. I mean, Vladara was in Calgary last year, had a great year. How does he not get a new contract there? Boom. All of a sudden he's in Philadelphia and he's probably, I would say that overall he's probably been their mvp.

[Colby Cohen]

Oh yeah, yeah, he, he has.

[Yan's]

Colby, another question. I know you get your ties to Boston and you know, Bruins, not a team that everyone expected to be in the position that they're in this year. But mostly what I want to ask you about, because I know you cover a lot of college hockey, is James Haggins. And everyone I talk to in Boston right now, they seem as happy as they can be for a prospect since probably like Sagan, I'd say for a young guy coming in, like, what do you know about him? What do you think he can bring to that team?

[Colby Cohen]

Yeah, I mean, look, the kid has tremendous skills and he always plays with his head up, you know, I mean, it's. You watch him out there and you could just kind of tell like he's always serving right? I mean, and no, he goes in and he goes right to Providence and, and you know, he has one goal, but he has a bunch of assists. And look, I haven't, I haven't seen him play pro. You know, I've been kind of pretty deep into the NCAA tournament getting ready for a tournament when, you know, you find out what four teams you're covering on Sunday at 4:00 clock and then on Tuesday you're on a plane and you've got 80 players that you gotta familiarize yourself with or more. So I haven't seen any of his, his pro games, but I mean, I think the one area where I think he can help Boston right away is, is the power play. Like Martone. You know, like I could say, see at, at, at, you know, on the power play, him being able to impact the game as much as, as Martone. I mean, Martone gets the game winner the other night in overtime. Five on three for talk to Put him out there. Like, again, that's all coach feel right there. Like, it, it. No matter what, like, you're just putting a guy out in the biggest power play of the. I know I'm going back to the Flyers, but like, you're putting a guy out at the end of the game, biggest moment of your season, you go to the guy you've seen play like two or three times. I mean, that if that's not good coaching, like, I don't, you know, I don't know what you can point at. But like, with Hagan's, I think it's similar. I think, you know, once he gets in the lineup, I think that's probably the place where he can build confidence. Like, you guys know, you don't feel good about your game. You get out on the power play and you get some of those touches like that. That's. That's how you kind of get yourself into it. And it's one of the reasons in the frozen four, like, I'm always rooting for a penalty or two early in the game because I want like the team. Teams to settle in. Guys are so nervous at the frozen four with the one and done. You just want to see guys settle into the game, start to make plays. And I feel like again, the power play is always that spot where you can hang onto the puck a little bit extra and like the, the high end guys can, can do that. So Higgins is, is, is a good player, man. I mean, you don't go that high in the draft by mistake. And, and you know, I think him and Letourneau were, were pretty good this year. I, I think like, that was obviously a tough year for B.C. and it was a little bit of a rebuilding year. And like, Gaso was hurt a lot. Yelvik was hurt a lot. Like, they didn't really, you know, they didn't have the depth to help those guys. But you know, by the end of the year, like, and I'd say this about Letourneau too. Like, I think Letourneau is, is the real deal. Like, I think. I think the Bruins have two big time prospects with those guys. And you obviously never know what's going to happen here, but I definitely would have my money on Letourneau being able to jump into the NHL after next season too, and, and be good. Like, at his size, with his skill set, he's another one that could be a difference maker.

[Wit]

And what's crazy right now is I think people locked in Boston in the past 10 days as the number one wild card, buddy. Ottawa is coming. They're two points behind them. They have the tiebreaker in terms of regulation Wins. Ottawa's got 36, Bruins have 31. Ottawa has the Islanders, the Devils and the Leafs left. The Bruins have Tampa Bay Saturday. Then they got Columbus. Then I think they finish with the Devils. But I could see this thing flip flop and all Ottawa has to do is time and points. Then they're the number one wild card. But I do wonder if Hagen is. Have they said Grinnell if he'll be in on Saturday against Tampa?

[Colby Cohen]

They have not.

[Merles]

They said they're going to evaluate practices and see where the team's at. He does fit in perfectly to that left wing on the third line. Like he could jump in there tomorrow.

[Wit]

But you're getting rid of Rikle on that line. You're saying for that.

[Merles]

Remove Reichel, remove Isamont. Steve's. They've all kind of been rotating on that third line. Left wing. He can jump right in there.

[Wit]

Okay. All right, well, Ottawa gotta shout these guys out. Three in a row. Like I just said. They continue to just kind of grind out wins. And. And Omar spoke. He said it's still kind of really hard for him. Obviously this guy's going through a lot. I mean, for him to say that like every day could be a struggle. I mean, feel bad for the guy. And they're still winning somehow. Brady, in talking about the. The crowd cheering for him, it's just a team. Not only are they like peaking right now at the perfect time, but they get Shabbat back. That Shabbat injury, I thought it said six to eight weeks and he's back already. They get a huge win on Thursday night. So somehow this team with all the nonsense, all the madness, all the outside noise, they're sitting in a great spot. And if you look around the. The wild card race, that, that shit kicking that the Sabres put on Columbus boys, that might be it for the Blue Jackets.

[Biz]

That's the dagger.

[Wit]

I think it is. I think it is. And man, what else can you say besides Buffalo, like now they hold the. They, they. They got the two point lead. Now granted, Montreal and Tampa have a game in hand, but they have the. They have the tiebreaker in those two. They have 41 regulation wins. So I think Buffalo somehow might come out winning this division. And then you look at the Islanders guys, the crazy move, DeBoer comes in. Did you guys see DeBoer's comments after the game about Schaefer?

[Biz]

No. I know that he scored his 23rd,

[Wit]

which set the record for it's tied to Brian Leach now, most goals by a rookie defenseman. But he said to the assistant coaches like, I know you guys have been witnessing this live all year, but I can't believe what I just watched from that guy. I cannot believe he's that good out there. He was dominant. Leafs actually made it three. Three, I think. But they end up getting the big dub. So Colby, I'll ask you, do you think the Islanders have any chance here? Are you looking at Boston and Ottawa as those final two?

[Colby Cohen]

Yeah, I mean, I guess they could

[Wit]

get in the Metro as well. Sorry.

[Colby Cohen]

Yeah, I think probably it's, it's the Islanders and the Flyers slugging it out for, for third in the Metro. I think those other two teams are. Will do what they need to do to stay in. And I mean, look, I, I think Schaefer is one of those guys where it's like, oh yeah, like you'll, you'll buy a ticket to go watch him. You know, he, he's worth buying a ticket to go watch it. And I mean it's like he's defied everything we know about 18 year old defenseman or, or, or young guys or. He didn't barely play last year. He was injured. I mean everything that you would think logically he's just defied. But you know, so it would be cool to see him make the playoffs and, and play at that time of year. But I really want to see the Flyers get in. I, I really do. You know, I, I kind of want, you know, I got two young kids and, and my son is really young. He's only one and a half, but he's. His obsession level with hockey is, is. I mean from, from what my parents have told me, like even at, at this young of an age, like I was still not, you know, one and a half. Like I wasn't like hockey, hockey, hockey all the time. Like my, my son sleeps with his hockey stick. It's, it's honestly like an, it's annoying. I mean he, he comes. You know, the first thing he does is he, you know, he doesn't even speak in sentences yet, but he just walks around the house.

[Pasha]

1.

[Colby Cohen]

Hockey, hockey. So I want to be able to take him to a, to a Flyers playoff game and even my daughter.

[Biz]

That's the motivation right there.

[Colby Cohen]

So I want the Flyers to get in because I want to be able to take my kids to see, to see a playoff game this early.

[Wit]

And this young Frankie Borelli would slap your son in the face too if he, if he Saw him, he's a. Well, he doesn't care what the Islanders in to.

[Biz]

To back it up here. Like, they do have a pretty tough finish to the season here because Montreal is still competing for. For playoff positioning. I think they could lock up second in the Atlantic where they'd have home ice potentially against Tampa Bay if that's the way that shakes out. They also have the Winnipeg jets who have had a great back half of the season in their playoff push. Don't know if they get in, but they'll be grinding. And then Carolina. So those are three pretty tough games. And you look at brutal honestly and you look at Columbus's playoffs, our last three remaining games, they have Montreal as well. They have Boston where if they lock up in the one one wild card, are they going to be resting guys second last game of the year and then after that they have Columbus. So not easy for both. But I think that Columbus probably has the advantage as far as like scheduling there.

[Colby Cohen]

Yeah, but I, I like Philly Pitt first round cross. I want, you know, I want it.

[Wit]

Yeah.

[Colby Cohen]

Like I'm just. The hockey fan in me wants to see really. I really do. It's like that would have that old school, you know. I mean, I remember it's been so long. But you guys remember the hit that Drew threw on. On Crosby. I mean that was crazy. Like, I mean that. That was. I can so vividly remember that. And so I just. And you know, Nick Benino is.

[Biz]

You guys.

[Colby Cohen]

I know you guys have talked to Nick before being a coach in Pittsburgh. Like, I just think that that whole rivalry, you know, he was a player. Player through. Through some of the hat and I think that would be so good to see. But it's not going to be easy. I mean it's not like it's. There's no doubt. These games get so hard to win. You know, their, their power play doesn't bail them out ever. It's just that's been the one thing atrocious.

[Biz]

The fact that they got the 5 on 3 Martone goal. I was like thanking God.

[Colby Cohen]

That game, it kills their momentum biz. Like it's not even. I mean it's. It's like, you know, power play, sometimes they don't score. You can build off of it at least. Right? I mean it, it was even like even watching some of the frozen four games last night. I'm like, oh my God, decline this penalty. Like these power plays are not going well. Like North Dakota last night, their power play was just, you know, it was actually just taking all the wind out of their sails. So hopefully the Flyers can find the magic. I'm, I'm, I'm hoping for it, boys. There's a million reasons why. And, and you know, also like I, you know, I, I would say I'm pretty good at irritating people and I just, I want talking in the playoffs. I, I want the last word on that. I want to be able to say I told you so. Like, sit down. You don't know what you're talking about.

[Biz]

I don't. I Buddy. I still don't think they're going to say that.

[Colby Cohen]

I know.

[Biz]

Fucking problem. I was like, oh, how about them Flyers? Like looks like they're well coached.

[Colby Cohen]

I know you do.

[Wit]

I love it.

[Biz]

And, and, and, and the response I get and some of these things get a hundred likes. The reason that they're in a playoff spot is because they finally move Mech God back to his original position.

[Colby Cohen]

The brains are broken.

[Biz]

Their brains are broken, bro. Their brains are broken. They, they said that a podcaster who asked Hawk the question basically solved all the team's problems. They're out of their minds. I got some of them sending cannolis to my house.

[Wit]

Talk.

[Colby Cohen]

I saw that guy despises me. That guy hates me.

[Biz]

I think he likes me. Now I think we're powerless. I think he's seeing the light. Tony. Tony Escargot. Now, let's go through the these playoffs right now as it sits. So Buffalo has two games left to be played. They're probably not going to get the top spot in the East. That probably belongs to Carolina who's two points ahead of them. No games on this Friday too, so nothing's moving until Saturday. I love, I would have loved to have seen Buffalo, Boston personally, but the fact that Buffalo they still may. I wouldn't. The Ottawa Buffalo thing is interesting because of that big trade to shake things up last year, right? The Cousins for, for Norris. So that would be a very fun high octane fast series. I don't mind Montreal, Tampa Bay, which is a Stanley cup final rematch, which is bizarre.

[Wit]

And we should Also mention, buddy, 50 goals. Incredible game Thursday night. Lot of brawling in that game. And Cole Caulfield does it. 50 goals and the pressure and the stress that was kind of going on with. I think it was two games at home where he, he couldn't get it or not. Maybe it was three, but the couple gets it on. Just what a play. Dude, it was that line. It was Slafkovsky to Suzuki dishes it over. And by the way, you kind of Forget Caulfield's goal scoring is one thing. He's so much faster than people realize.

[Biz]

Oh, yeah.

[Wit]

Like he was neck and neck with whoever there. It was almost a two on two. He takes off, buries it. That was a cool moment, man. Like Stephon Ruscha did it. I think it was 28 years ago, if not longer.

[Biz]

And boys, how about this? 50. No empty net goals.

[Wit]

I saw that, dude.

[Biz]

No empty net goals. And you said it. That speed off that right side there and then like that release to go low blocker on the other side. That was just an absolute snipe. And like you said, what a scene in Montreal for that one. The. You know what they call him? The cock in the locker room. This is going back four years ago. I bet you they're calling him. What? Who's that? Who's that guy? Barry. They're probably calling him Barry now.

[Wit]

Should call him Barry. Yeah, the White Barry. I think one of the cooler moments was the camera panned to his dad in the crowd. His dad's obviously pretty emotional. And after he's like, I just love watching him play. Like, not about getting 50, but obviously to have this happen and that crowd pop. And then at the end of the game, they announced the stars was like, what, because slafkovsky got his 30th. That's a big. I've said before, Mayor Culpa on Sapkovsky. Love this guy's game. I thought this guy was a bum. He's not a bum.

[Biz]

Not a guy in the draft. He's right, eh?

[Wit]

Yeah, exactly.

[Biz]

Remember that video of the guy talking about hockey history? Yeah, you maybe have over exaggerated a little bit. But at least he wasn't a bust. At least he wasn't going full Fitzy like Pasha said.

[Wit]

But gee, can you look up? Cause I was thinking so Slavkovsky, I think has 70 points, Caulfield's right around 85, and Suzuki has 97 points. Boys, another guy who I was like, great two way centerman, kind of always thought him, you know, 80 points would be unreal. The guy's gonna get 100 points. Is there a higher scoring league and I mean line in the NHL this year? I don't know if there is.

[Colby Cohen]

Yeah, that's, that's.

[Wit]

I mean, has 130 points. McDavid numbers. Yeah, they, they carry the weight a little bit.

[Colby Cohen]

He doesn't count though. Like, he's just.

[Biz]

I wonder when the last time there was a line that all had 100 points. Has that ever happened in NHL history?

[Wit]

I'm going to Say no. I'm going to guess no. But maybe the hun.

[Colby Cohen]

The hundred point thing is. I mean it's funny. Like I never thought about the hundred point thing all that much until Johnny started on the whole Lafronier 100 point thing, whatever that was two years ago. And that thing, that thing picked up like that was like a wildfire watching career not just go, yeah, like I mean even I wit. You came on and you were so. I think you came on our, our show and we're talking about it with us and like you were so gracious to him about it which was so funny to just to watch. Like I think, I think that's what happened when you came on with us.

[Pasha]

Or.

[Colby Cohen]

Or maybe he was. I don't. Yeah. And. Or you guys might be me.

[Wit]

I couldn't be. I don't know him well enough to just be like what are you talking about? Yeah.

[Colby Cohen]

It just was so, you know, it was funny to watch you give him such grace about it because the, the. Your facial expressions with like, I mean they're, they're loud, you know, like it's not, it's not a big secret. Like when you don't think something, your face tells it all right. I mean.

[Biz]

Oh yeah, he's very animated before Whit

[Colby Cohen]

and, and you know, when I was especially very young, you, you shot me the wit look before and I'm like oh, like that's not the look.

[Biz]

Boys, do you think that Caulfield ever has a 50 goal season if Martin St. Louis not his coach.

[Wit]

The great what if? The great what if man.

[Colby Cohen]

I do.

[Wit]

I mean I think he's getting another one though. I'll tell you that. Going anywhere.

[Biz]

I'm not trying to take anything away from him. I just think it was like one of those perfect connections where you have an undersized player that I guess Coffee was never overlooked and didn't really have the chip on his shoulder the way that St. Louis did. I mean he was basically like thrown away from Calgary. Right. But just that undersized like having to work. Like I don't remember Caulfield being this fast when he originally broke in. So you know that obviously he's helping in steal the work ethic but just like the little like the little subtle plays like that he was helping chip away at. Chip away at. And I mean the. I think that Martin St. Louis has done such a good job of taking a younger group and helping develop a lot of different players. Like BXO was talking about how good their small area game is. Especially offensively and like how they're able to, you know, it's hard, it's hard to score nowadays, especially five on five. So you have to have some trickery and you know, some pick plays and the so small area games and they're one of the best teams at it. And I think Martin St. Louis is a big reason to credit for a lot of those guys success early on in their careers.

[Wit]

I'm being told McKinnon's line, highest scoring line, McKinnon 128, Neches 98, Lekin in 47. So I guess more consistency in terms of like all, you know, lowest score, lowest score being 70 at Slavkovski. And about Suzuki, I probably would have said the same thing to a diehard Canadiens fan who told me Suzuki was going to be 100 point guy the way I did about. About laughing New York. I just did. I didn't see this coming. Incredible player. Yeah, that's probably the Vegas trade where you're like oh right. Like they've made a bunch of deals dealing away the future and Suzuki's guy that you're like imagine him on the Vegas Golden Knights. But we have to talk about a coach and a team who just proved everyone wrong, even their own fans. And that's the Pittsburgh Penguins. They clinched. I went back. Well, I didn't go back. I saw a notification on my phone from a guy and it was an Instagram DM and he said hey, how do you want to settle? And I kind of like was like what's he talking about? And I scrolled up. October 20th, this guy wrote me and said I'll bet you 200 bucks the Penguins finish with more points this year than the Oilers. I said done and I totally forgot about it. This is the one guy, this is the one friggin guy who could say he knew. I don't know what this guy knew. I don't know how he knew it. Patrick Isaacs. Incredible call by him. Dan Muse and the Pittsburgh Penguins have done it. I saw a tweet this morning says players to set new career highs this season with Dan Muse as the bench boss. Brazo with goals, assists in points 17, 17, 34. Math man that gets 31 goals, 30 assists, 61 points. Connor Dewar 14, 16, 30. Chinnikov 21 goals, 41. I mean 21 assists, 42 points. Ryan Shea 6 goals, 26, 6 Wotherspoon Rust has his career high points and assists. Achary career high and assists. It's crazy. And the list goes on and on.

[Biz]

Well that fourth line was probably one of the best, fourth most consistent lines in hockey this year. Probably a big reason there for their success, but my God, what a. It feels like Dubas, like, his stock has went up tremendously. I. Once he got the coach that he wanted in there, I mean, it just. The Carlson move ended up finally paying off. Like, he was getting dragged for that. For. For a couple years. Like, he's Carlson looks like he did the year he had 100 points again.

[Wit]

He has 30 points since the Olympic break, this guy.

[Biz]

Yeah, he's at 24 points in his last month.

[Wit]

I believe in this tweet. It says that Manta got a call from Dan Muse when he got the job over the summer. No, the first conversation they had was, I want you getting 30 goals this year. He'd never done it, and, man, like, I think a lot of people kind of laughed at that. Higher. I know. I was like, this is so weird. Dan Muse, like, he'd been around the game forever at every level, up and down, but it was like, wow. Like, this team looks like they're headed for a complete rebuild. All anyone talked about was like, where's Sid going to get traded? Sid's gotta have one more run. And the fact that it's actually happening, it's. It's awesome. It's so cool to see. I mean, I just. I don't think anyone out there saw this. And they've had so many guys step up and they've had. Listen, they got rid of Jari and they got Skinner in. I don't know if that's a Stanley cup winning goalie, but he's certainly been to the finals twice. He can get hot in the playoffs. I've seen that. I've witnessed that myself.

[Biz]

Hit Edmonton final.

[Wit]

Can you imagine that? Every game's eight, six.

[Biz]

I'll say this, though. Like, I know we joked about The Crosby, the AVs, and the fact that they probably weren't going to get another run, and now that they are, the stars are aligning pretty good for them if they meet Philly in the first round. Like, as much as I love the Flyers and what they've done this year, you couldn't pick a better first round matchup for them. Crosby owns them. And I think that they overall are probably a better team, especially when everybody's fully healthy. And then, I mean, if. If I'm Sidney Crosby and Malkin and I've been to the dance before, like, Carolina doesn't scare me.

[Wit]

They've beat him every time they've ever Played them.

[Biz]

They don't scare, they don't scare me if I'm them. And then who knows who, who's beaten themselves up in the Atlantic by the time that that conference finals come. So if there was a year, like if Crosby somehow wins a fourth Stanley cup out of nowhere, I'll like, he has to go on the Mount Rushmore.

[Wit]

If the Penguins win the Stanley cup this year, would that not be considered the most shocking?

[Biz]

That would be Lester City.

[Wit]

Yeah.

[Biz]

Yeah, that would be.

[Wit]

I agree with you on that.

[Biz]

I, I don't. I bet you a majority, like this guy obviously believed in all these. But like any, anyone with a hockey show like us idiots, there's none of us had them even making playoffs. I don't think maybe RA did. RA is pretty good.

[Colby Cohen]

Is Dubas now the front runner to be Canada's GM with Doug Armstrong stepping down? Or is it. Or is it Sweeney? I feel like very different, but I think you can make a pretty good argument for either of those guys.

[Wit]

Dubas. Dubas has completely flipped the script on Flip the script. People who were like, oh, this guy doesn't know what he's doing. And then you hear rumors he wanted to do things in Toronto he wasn't allowed to do. Goes to Pittsburgh. At the beginning, there's a couple moves, like, I don't know. And now it's like just dropping his nuts on the table right in front of his head.

[Biz]

I think most people were like, kind of insulting the Carlson move. I think that people thought that that was crazy up until this year.

[Wit]

Yeah, for sure. And I, and man, Mike Sullivan and Carlson obviously didn't see eye to eye. There was something there because it, there's no other explanation that he all of a sudden is back to the Eric Carlson we all knew in Ottawa and San Jose and like this just playmaker superstar. And then I don't know. I don't know their relationship. I don't know if Sullivan wanted to play a different way. I don't, I don't know what happened. But obviously muse comes in and something, something clicked, and it didn't even really click right away either.

[Biz]

Yeah, that's what's hard. I, I, when, when Dubis got in there, you got this coach who's won two Stanley Cups. He's been there as long as he has. It's not like you can just fire him right away. You have to have like, the lack of success in order to finally pull the trigger. And obviously you got the, probably the bigger payday and bag in New York. So it Couldn't. It's like all the stars align, boys, and Pittsburgh's back to the dance. And I think that they could be sneaky, dangerous. So crosby to the A.B.S. is on hold. Another cup in Pittsburgh.

[Wit]

And I guess Biz, I was going to argue I'd rather play the Islanders if I'm them, but then you got Sorokin, who maybe he just stands on his head where I like Vladar, but it's not Sorokin in terms of if they get Philly and moving past them.

[Biz]

I think if they could hand pick their opponent, they would pick Philly right now.

[Wit]

Yes. Okay. So out west, boys, I, I feel bad. I've watched this four years in a row. I, I, the, The Kings might do this. The Kings might get in. They have 20 regular. What is there 20 regulation wins? Is that the number I'm seeing here?

[Biz]

Yeah, you're right.

[Wit]

Oh, my God. I don't know how they're doing it. They're just.

[Biz]

Kopitar.

[Wit]

They're doing it for Kopitar. But they got a game in hand on Nashville. They're one point up on them. Winnipeg biz, you said they've won three in a row. They're not going away, unfortunately. We're not gonna, we're not gonna get celebrity in this year, but it looks like LA might end up getting this done. I gotta see here. You guys know, do they play Nashville again or.

[Colby Cohen]

They played.

[Biz]

They played the other night.

[Wit]

Yeah, they played the other night.

[Biz]

I think Nashville spanked them, didn't they?

[Wit]

Yeah.

[Biz]

Hey, boys. In the meantime, though, we gotta shout out Ryan Smith in Utah. Not only Clinton playoffs, but the sickest Sam Boni I've ever seen in my life. That they made. Did you guys see this?

[Wit]

I couldn't believe it when that they

[Biz]

made a mammoth Zamboni, which is kind of genius because, like, you get the kids coming to the games, they're probably like, what the.

[Wit]

Is that the Z?

[Biz]

The Z. Yeah.

[Colby Cohen]

He. He seems like. By the way, with LA's schedule, they have Vancouver twice or. No, sorry, they have Edmonton, Vancouver, Seattle, Calgary for la.

[Wit]

So, yeah, I mean, I want to watch LA in the playoffs. I love Copa games are entertaining.

[Colby Cohen]

It's going to be LA again.

[Wit]

I mean, they're going to play the Avalanche like biz, you want the. Who would you rather in biz, the Devils or the Preds?

[Biz]

Okay, so, I mean, Kobe thought maybe they were playing Edmonton. They won't be playing Edmonton then.

[Wit]

Oh, finally.

[Colby Cohen]

If they're in a wild card, I mean.

[Biz]

Well.

[Colby Cohen]

Oh, yeah, you're right. Cause they'll have. They'll play Colorado.

[Ra]

Yeah.

[Colby Cohen]

Yeah, sorry.

[Wit]

I think Edmonton's going to win the powerhouse Pacific. And I think Edmonton, Utah, based on Tuesday night, could be awesome series. An electric factory.

[Biz]

Awesome.

[Wit]

And I'll tell you, McDavid right now, boys, I can get into this really quick. I know I've been all over, like, the. How great Kucharov is and Celebrini's MVP caliber. You just forget because it's happened for so long and so often, McDavid is the MVP. I've made up my mind the last. The last two games, and granted they lost that game to Utah and I got ahead of myself saying, hey, Utah fans, get. Get used to this. After McDav, David scored a highlight real goal early. Well, they ended up winning. And then I think that Keller was incredible and schmaltz and whatever, but then what he did in San Jose, and it was almost like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. People have been talking about celebrity. I love this kid.

[Biz]

He played on my line thinks about

[Wit]

that, but no question, really.

[Colby Cohen]

Night against Celebrini was like. He was like telling him, hey, you're good, but did just, you know, wait your turn, pal. That was for sure.

[Wit]

Come on.

[Biz]

You think he's thinking about that?

[Wit]

You don't think that the greats have that type of like, hey, you know, this kid is awesome and I love this guy and I love playing with him, but I'm hearing. I'm hearing rumblings like this kid's possible mvp.

[Yan's]

Just.

[Wit]

Just hold on one sec. I'm gonna get five points. Yeah, I would love.

[Biz]

I would love for Speck to ask him.

[Colby Cohen]

Oh, yeah, I'm sure he'd get a great response out of that.

[Wit]

That would be a great question by Speck.

[Colby Cohen]

That's your boy, right, Whit?

[Wit]

We were. I'm pretty sure I'm still blocked.

[Biz]

I would legit ask if we got McDavid on again. I would ask him about that game specifically. Like, did you like, you know, rumblings of. So. So I. I'm okay with that too. Like I just said, like, I think what celebrity is doing with the cast that he's doing it with is remarkable.

[Wit]

You.

[Biz]

So you're hands down, McDavid's getting it this year.

[Wit]

Yeah, it's just like, dude, he's leading the league and scoring, and he's doesn't have dry side. All these last, whatever, 10 games, he's completely dominating. And then another thing is, I saw a tweet. McDavid has not got enough credit this season. For killing penalties, he's played 81 minutes shorthanded. Kucherov and McKinnon have both played less than three minutes total. So if you add that to his bag that he's playing PK more than the other guys, I'm sold.

[Biz]

MVP Connor McDavid.

[Wit]

But I do think it's part where like every year and, and, and then Gregor had a couple tweets about him. It's, it's, it's wild, dude. Players with three 130 plus point seasons. Gretzky did it 13 times, Lemieux did it six times. Esposito did it four times. McDavid and Marcel Dion now have three. Realistically, McDavid could do that, what, four or five more times? I mean, I, it's just. And I think we get, I think we get kind of numb to it. I know I do. And then you see nights like against Utah and against San Jose where you're just reminded like what we're witnessing here. And then what upsets me is it brings up the. All the trolls and all the different tweets about you have this guy, you still don't have a number one goalie and you haven't won a Stanley cup with them. And it's been, whatever it is, 11 years. So those. That part of seeing the dominance and then hearing that noise upsets me a little bit. And I do agree with it to a certain extent.

[Biz]

Ovi had to wait 13 years.

[Wit]

Well, yeah, but devil's same as Ovi. Devils in Washington. Pasha said it earlier this episode.

[Biz]

So, yeah, and he's. We cut. We've always talked about Crosby and Malkin elevating their game when the other guy's out. And now this was his opportunity to do that, especially when things weren't necessarily going that well for, for Edmonton this year. And then this is what he does down the stretch. Yeah, I'm okay if he gets the mvp. Great, great sales pitch, Whit.

[Wit]

Staying in the West. Thursday night, Dallas played Minnesota. We are in for an all time series, guys. It was physical. It was nasty. Minnesota's up three, two. They end up losing. Robertson gets the winning goal with like nine minutes left. Wyatt Johnson has the sneakiest 44 goal season I've ever seen. I think he's got 25 or 26 power play goals. He's incredible around the net. I feel like all his goals are just right around the net. Like little moves, little head fakes.

[Biz]

Reminds me of Genso a little bit, the way he's able to find those little sneakers. But, but I'm saying is, ah, if you watch playoff hockey, like, Genzel's really good around the blue paint where he's not like they're taking a ton of punishment, but he's good at timing when to get there and be there, and boom. He finds a lot of those pucks in that area where some guys are just very sneaky and good at that. I just remember Gensel being pretty good from the. Watching him in the years past.

[Colby Cohen]

What do you guys think will happen in that series? Like, does. Does Dallas, does Minnesota have enough? I mean, I know personally, Billy Guerin, I just want him to win and be successful because what he did and the gamble that he took this year and like, the way that he swung, obviously you guys know him like, he's such a beauty of a guy too. And, and then, you know, the gold medal team he put together and he took a lot of heat for some of the decisions he made for that. And, you know, he just seems, he seems like the former player now that run, like, is in charge. That doesn't forget what it's like to be a player. I feel like, yeah, that's a lot, A lot of conversations I've had, whether I'm, like, playing or working now in tv. Like, you talk to former players and like, marquee management roles or coaches, and you're like, damn. Like, it's crazy how quickly you forget. I mean, even at times I, I coach junior hockey, you know, and. And there are times where I'll. Maybe I'll say something and I'll be like, you fucking asshole. Like, you hated when Bruce Cassidy said that to you. Like, or. Or, you know, like, you just like, have to, like, make sure you're. You're not doing the things. And with Billy Guerin, like, he just strikes me as the guy who's like, no, no. Like, I'm never losing the DNA of what it's like to be on that side of it. And I feel like that's why, you know, I just, I want to see Minnesota have it. Have a deep run and then I want to see Quinn Hughes resign there because I want them to get rewarded for taking a risk and making that move. And like, Quinn Hughes, I mean, you know how often I'm not staying up till that late and watching Vancouver that much the last couple of years, right? Like, you see him in the east here and there, and you'd catch. But now that he's in. In an easier time zone to watch, like, he's like, I think we all got to start talking I mean, I think it is. But like him and McCarr, I mean, I, I feel like he's, he's, it used to be.

[Biz]

I'm worried about his, I'm worried about his energy and his gas that he has left. And I'll say this, if to answer your question, like what I, I, I agree with you on the Billy G comment too. Like, the swings he took, the risks he took and like just the fact that he's so connected to the players, telling them to stay in the village, like, he just gets it. Billy G. It's, it, it comes easy to him. As far as getting it, I think that the consensus is from people in our group chat and maybe a lot of hockey chatters, I, I think that they think that Dallas is going to beat him and maybe like we've had a few guys in our group chat label them as fraud squad. I'll just put it that way.

[Merles]

Who?

[Wit]

Murr, who's that?

[Colby Cohen]

Johnny Laz?

[Wit]

Yeah.

[Biz]

What do you mean?

[Wit]

I'll tell you, man, looking at Dallas though, like the game last night was incredible. They're going to have Fasca back, they're going to have Hints back, they're going to have Bunting back. I, I think it's going to be hard for Minnesota to beat them.

[Biz]

I want Minnesota to win because I want those fans and Billy G and that organization to experience a bit of a run. I just don't know if we're going to get our wish. We keep going back to the fact that it's ridiculous that they're playing in the first round. It sucks that we got to lose one of them. But I think that gun, Gun to your head. What are you saying? Gun to your head. Who are you picking?

[Colby Cohen]

I mean, it's hard to pick against Dallas to lose any series in the whole playoffs. I mean, the gun to my head, ver the heart versus the head obviously can always go different ways. Like, but you do have, I mean, superstars got to be superstars, right? Like your best players got to be your best players. And I just, you know, we'll see like Quinn Hughes, just watching him skate and he can defend. Like, people don't give him credit for how good he defends because he just defends with his feet. You know, he defends with his stick.

[Biz]

So I think that's why Merles also says that is he, he is very anti small D man.

[Wit]

Yeah.

[Colby Cohen]

Why? Lane Hudson, Quinn Hughes, these guys are the best guys to watch, period.

[Biz]

He does. So he does have a fair argument in the sense of like, when is the last time your best D man who has been, like, undersized. When did. When's that last time they've won a Stanley Cup? Yeah, a small number one. So that's his whole backbone to his argument, which he keeps kind of, like, rehashing every time he makes the point to label Minnesota as a fraud squad. He was saying the same thing about LA last year, the whole year, like, giving it to me because I was rooting for them. But they obviously had a pretty good series against Edmonton. They weren't a fraud squad. They just ran up against a fucking giant like they always do. So I don't know.

[Colby Cohen]

I saw Merls last night after the game.

[Biz]

Was he at the blackjack table?

[Colby Cohen]

He. He was supposed. No, he was. He was hanging out at the sports book. We were looking for a place to eat after, Butchie and I, but we were supposed to go to dinner the other night. I don't remember. We came in. No, no, Butchie. Sorry, not your boy Butch Goring.

[Wit]

No, no.

[Colby Cohen]

John Butcher Grass.

[Biz]

Oh, you call him Butchie?

[Colby Cohen]

Yeah, I call. And everybody's always like, oh, no, because, like, that's. Obviously everybody calls Bruce Cassidy Butchie. So it's. It's. I. I get. I get people tied up on that one, but I. So I get in, we set up a dinner. G. G came to dinner, too. Is like, me, Butchie, you know, some. Some of our buddies that are here. And I was like, is Merle's coming? He's like, no, no, he's on a heater. He's not coming to dinner. We had, like, an unreal dinner at Catching in Vegas, and Merle's just like, no showed on us because I think he was on a heater on the craps table. You know, Merle's, He's.

[Merles]

He's.

[Colby Cohen]

You need Merle's at dinner. He's a. He's like the one that doesn't eat.

[Wit]

He doesn't eat. He doesn't eat, though.

[Biz]

This guy Merles has very, very strong opinions. Very strong opinions. He's very critical in the group chat. If you. Ah, I don't like it. I don't like it.

[Yan's]

I don't like it. I like it.

[Wit]

I actually said last night, Murr, you got a couple Mer takes for me for the show tomorrow?

[Biz]

Saying Minnesota's a fraud squad's a bit much.

[Wit]

This was before the games on. On Thursday night. He said, if the Ducks lose tonight, they're going to miss the playoffs. They've rolled over San Jose. He said, verhoff on North Dakota, if that's the number two pick, holy shit. Very, very, very shaky. And his third one was the Oilers should sign North Dakota's goalie and try to let him run the table. So those are most of the Merle's uptakes from T Mobile Arena.

[Colby Cohen]

I think Verhoff, I mean he's 17. I know college hockey.

[Biz]

Merle, shut the fuck up.

[Colby Cohen]

That kid's gonna be, he'll be, he's gonna have a good career. Like, he's, he's a, he's also a humble, like, he's a humble kid. Him and Reshni, the two kids that played in North Dakota that, that were like the high end, high, high end draft picks. Like, like they're humble guys. Like, I, I, I, I liked meeting him. You know, we do the meetings with the players and you kind of get to know them a little bit. You know, you get some time talking to these guys like on media day for the frozen four. And, and that kid's got a good head on his shoulders, Verhoff. And look, I don't think anybody on North Dakota would feel good. Like the team, they didn't, they didn't really have a good game just as a team. They came out a little sluggish.

[Wit]

So I think like that was a boring game.

[Colby Cohen]

Yeah, I mean, listen, like, I don't think Merle's is right. I think Verhoff has a pretty high ceiling, you know, I really do. Like, you look at the kid, he's a righty, he can skate, he can handle the puck. Like, you know, maybe it's somewhere between like a Petrangelo and an Eck Lad. I mean, and like both of those guys, look at their careers, right? Like, I mean neither of them were like these dynamic offensive guys. But like they both made what, 100 plus million. They both family cop. Like Petro is going to be in

[Wit]

the hall of Fame. No.

[Colby Cohen]

Yeah.

[Biz]

Playing Against Petro in St. Louis Blues training camp, that was all I needed to experience to be like, wow. Because like you talk about me, he's kind of that second tier offense. Like he, he'd be the second guy you want running your power play. But he's good for a 50 point season. But the time and space, his stick always in the right area. Like he was pretty physical for a guy who played big minutes. Like just the way he would smother you. Like he was, he was a fucking pain to play against. We were doing one on one drills. I couldn't even cross the fucking red line against Him.

[Colby Cohen]

No coincidence. No coincidence that he goes, you know, he's no longer playing in Vegas and they're struggling. Like, they've struggled. It's no coincidence. I mean, Theodore is. Is a stud. I mean, he's like, you know, watching him, he's like, you know, his skill set is ridiculous. But when he's your number two versus your number one, like when you had Petrangelo, who is a legitimate number one, 27 minute a night guy like that put everybody else in the right spot to be so successful. So there's no coincidence to me, with Vegas and their struggles this year, like, not having that guy. I mean, he's.

[Biz]

He's.

[Colby Cohen]

Oh, he's pretty good.

[Biz]

He's. He's pretty intense, too. Like, when he gets to practice, like, you know, he'll joke around a little bit, but just hit. Like, he's type A, very competitive, very driven.

[Ra]

And.

[Biz]

And. And I guess the word I'd use is fearless. Like, he. He wants to go against top guys all time. Fearless.

[Pasha]

Yeah.

[Wit]

Yeah.

[Biz]

So was it him who slashed dry Seattle a couple years ago?

[Wit]

Oh, yeah, yeah. That was a joke. That was when Vegas beat him, too. Colby, what are we looking forward to? Like, I don't get Denver. I was watching the game with some friends against Michigan. They. They tie it up. They end up winning in double overtime. And one of my buddies is like, is this coach David Carl, like, the best coach in hockey? Not just college. Like, obviously they don't have. I mean, they had Z. Bo, but they. It's not like they have, like, super prospects for the NHL. They just. They got a freshman goalie again. It's just. How is he doing this?

[Biz]

Oh, that goalie's not there anymore.

[Wit]

No, no.

[Colby Cohen]

New one Biz, their new goalie, who didn't play in until, like, the second part of the season. He. He came in and they thought he would be the backup. He comes in. He's 15, 0 and 1. In his college career, he's never lost a hockey game. Never lost a hockey game.

[Wit]

Shootout or something.

[Colby Cohen]

Guys, he's never lost a game, period. Like, that's not. I'm not exaggerating. He hasn't lost. And the he made on Garrett Shifsky in overtime last night, he steals one. This game should have been over, and he steals one. And what's his name? Johnny Hicks. He's his record, boys. His record in the last, like, three, four years of his hockey career. He's like 75, 12 and three or something. Butchy. But she talked about it on the broadcast last Night like his record for the last three years, like he, you know, juniors and now college. He's, he's like 75 and 3 or 12 or something like that. So the kid just wins. And he's not a big guy either. He's 5 foot 11 maybe.

[Wit]

Neither.

[Biz]

Neither. Was there a last goalie last year? That one that Davis.

[Colby Cohen]

He was, he was. I mean it's like this. So they get great goaltending and give the staff credit for finding these guys. Like, like you're asking me about Carl. I mean I, I just think wit, he gets these guys to play more mature than 85% of the NHL teams. Like his teams come out in this tournament and somehow they go through a game where they manage the puck perfectly. They just the amount beat themselves the amount of times their, their players, even their, their, you know, their, their third round draft picks live to fight another day at 18 or 19 years old as hockey players like, and don't try the extra stick candle. They don't try the high risk play like they manage the lines. It's like, it's. He gets these guys at the beginning of the year and I feel like he goes, he brings in these third round picks, fourth round picks, fifth round picks. He, he doesn't litter his roster with, with number ones and the buy in that he gets and how much better these guys get from the beginning of the year till now. I mean like this kid Epperson last night, who, who made, who made the pass on the game winner or, or the guy Clark Caswell, like these aren't these like crazy names at the top of the Hobie leaderboard and that everybody's talking about. And, and they're just the best players on the ice. You know, last night, you know Michael Hage who's injured so like can't really, he, you can't really get a read on him. The first round pick for Montreal. Cause he, he's, he wasn't playing nearly at a hundred percent last night. But these other guys on Denver look like stars the way that they play. And they look like guys who have been playing in the NHL for like 50, 15 years that know it's like Game 7 of the Stanley cup finals and how we just know that like the margin is so thin, which obviously it was. And even in, in, in overtime they, they just waited. They just waited. They waited, they waited and they just take angles and they wear you down and they're like, all right, we're going to run for two yards, run for two yards, run for 2 yards, punt run for 2. And so it's. It's. It's so effective in this tournament. And it's. It's. I watch it every year from between the benches, and I get them in the regionals a lot. I think David, Carl, like, what he gets out and his whole staff, like, he's. You look up his staff, you know, his assistants have a lot of, like, a lot of NHL experience. They've dealt with the game at a high level.

[Ra]

It's.

[Colby Cohen]

It's incredible what they do with these guys, and you know, how they make these guys so much better. And look, Jared Wright's playing the NHL right now for la. You know, he was a guy who played at Denver, and nobody was like, oh, my God, this guy's an NHL. Like, he had a good career, right? But that's what I mean. Like, Carl turns them into NHLers, guys that are going to come to your team and they're going to be the most. You know, those guys that every coach just, like, loves. Oh, like, they do all the right stuff and everybody loves them.

[Biz]

Like, no matter what, off the ice, they show up with their workouts, and

[Colby Cohen]

that's, like, what Denver, like, is just turning out. Like, they're going to. I think they'll have a pretty good run of guys playing in the NHL in, like, middle six roles and, like, middle, you know, and guys that are just reliable play a thousand games. Like, just those types of guys that, you know, are underrated but over, you know, like, the coach knows how good they are, but, like, no one else needs to know how good they are.

[Biz]

Well, man Wit, do you think you think Cloud 9 Productions should make a pitch at Carl?

[Colby Cohen]

I don't think you could get him. I truly don't think you could get him.

[Wit]

I don't know, Colby, if they do it this year, he's. He's. He owes it to himself to go to the NHL. Like, th. This would be, what, three and four years?

[Pasha]

Like, I.

[Colby Cohen]

Just.

[Biz]

Me and Martha and Snoop would offer him 10 million a year.

[Colby Cohen]

Well, that you might have to offer him 10 a year. He's got three kids, they're really young, and he. He.

[Biz]

I'll babysit.

[Colby Cohen]

I've talked to him about coming on our show in the morning, and, like, he's always, like, taking his kids to school and, like, he's like. You can tell how much it matters to him that his family has stability. Like, I think when he's making decisions, I think that he's, like, thinking first and foremost about them. And then I feel like it's probably about him next. And you look at Denver. I mean, look, there's a reason with Jack Parker never went to the NHL. There's a reason for that. He could have. He could have gone and coached the Bruins. And like, some of these guys, they value stability. Look at the stability. We had Dean Evanson on our show the other day. Like, the guy didn't even get two full seasons. He's a good coach. He's a guy players want to play for. Right?

[Biz]

I mean, and so Columbus guys were kind of.

[Colby Cohen]

Really.

[Biz]

Well, no, but like. Well, I mean, you. Did you see the interviews on, like,

[Wit]

we got a new coach.

[Biz]

What's the difference? You know, what's the difference? Coaching? A couple of them have made snipers.

[Colby Cohen]

I mean, like, I don't know. JVR loved him, said a lot of good things.

[Biz]

Hey, this is not my opinion. I was just going off the body language and what we saw in the aftermath.

[Colby Cohen]

Come on.

[Biz]

I talked to some other people. Like who? Like, I. I don't want to get into it, but.

[Ra]

All right.

[Biz]

Yeah, but.

[Wit]

But what about. What about this Eric Polkamp kid who I believe San Jose drafted?

[Colby Cohen]

Yeah.

[Wit]

He could win the Hobie Baker today. I don't know if he will, but you see, like, top two defensemen, top four. What are we looking at in his future?

[Colby Cohen]

It's. Look, I. I think he's a little banged up this year, to be honest. Like, his minutes are down in the tournament, and I think it's because they're. They're. He's dealing with something. They. They didn't tell us that. But just from watching him, um, I, like, I think. I think he's dealing with an injury, so I don't think he's been as. As dynamic as I, you know, think. You know, he leads their team in scoring, and I feel like, you know, Michigan did a good job of getting all over him. His thing, boys. Like, he shoots the puck. I bet you if you put him in the NHL hardest shot competition right now, like, he's probably a top five shot. Like, his shot, it's just goes off his stick and it just explodes. It's heavy. And that's like, I feel like his thing, you know, poll camp. And, And I, I think he's. He's. I don't think he's going to win the Hobie. Like, I don't know when this is going to come out, so maybe I'm going to sound stupid, but I think the kid in Duluth, Max Plant, I think he's going to win the Hobie this year he's the Detroit second round.

[Biz]

You're going on today's. But tomorrow, like, today it's coming out. This pod.

[Wit]

It's coming out.

[Colby Cohen]

Oh, it is coming out today.

[Wit]

Okay.

[Colby Cohen]

Coming out today or tomorrow. What? So. Yeah, well, so it'll come out before, but I think Plant wins the Hobie this year. Hole camp's had a great year. You lead your team in scoring as a defenseman in college. Like, that's, that's pretty, pretty good. Like, you obviously can play, right?

[Biz]

Do you have any strong opinions about, like, college hockey and where it's at? I think some people were maybe a little irritated with us just saying, like, because we use the term, like, how could you fix college hockey? Like, I don't think it's broken by any means, but we talked about the regionals kind of being in these random spots sometimes. Like, what, what, what. What's your feeling on overall college hockey and with where it's at?

[Colby Cohen]

Yeah, I mean, listen, I think the game and the product on the ice is great, but I think the media side of it is totally broken. I mean, I think like, for example, geez, at the Frozen four. And I mean, I don't know, like, those guys should have been doing a live show. They should have been given the opportunity to do like content and live shows and bringing more attention to the, like, who gets more eyes on them than, than Chiclets. Right? Like, so I think from a media.

[Biz]

I think they saw Merles at the blackjack table and they're like, we want nothing to do with this.

[Wit]

Yeah, well, listen, they weren't even allowed to like, video anything or anything in there. Right.

[Merles]

It was pretty crazy. Like, we were told that if we take a single video during the game or 30 minutes before the game, our press credentials will be removed. And they said that's a company wide policy. And if you look, none of the. I mean everyone. There's reporters, media members everywhere. Me and Merles were the only people posting videos and pictures from the game yesterday. None of the media were allowed to. Like, that's a massive miss.

[Biz]

What's the point of that? They're the, they're the media. Isn't that the purpose?

[Merles]

Exactly.

[Wit]

So you got the press credentials taken away?

[Ra]

We.

[Merles]

They said we would have. Yeah, but that's why we ended up hitting the casino, hit the blackjack table, had a couple runs in blackjack, made some money.

[Biz]

Yeah, but G, you're not answering the question. You guys obviously did post videos and pictures.

[Merles]

Yes, and I was answering it. Biz. I Was saying we went and bought, ended up going to the casino. But you like winning money buying tickets because we said we don't want the press passes. We're just going to do this on our own if it's easier for us

[Ra]

to do it on our own.

[Wit]

So you, you were just regular fans in there last night.

[Biz]

Where are you right now? What's that red room you're in?

[Merles]

I'm at the park MGM right now. We got the T Mobile arena right in the background here. I got the red sex room here at the park mgm.

[Wit]

Yeah.

[Biz]

No, man, it's like the champagne room.

[Merles]

Yeah, it is pretty nice.

[Biz]

I don't have a couple girls from the Rhino.

[Colby Cohen]

I'm at the same hotel. I don't. I don't have the red room. But like biz, you're asking me. I think, I think that kind of stuff to me is so archaic. Like, why wouldn't we want more eyeballs on it, right? It. It's so archaic to me. And, and I think when Butchie came on your guy's show and he talked about opportunities to break away from the ncaa, like, I think one of the reasons he's thinking about and talking about that is because he's thinking like bigger media deals. Like, like the hardest part is that they make rules for the ncaa. But boys, like our sport is so different than all the other sports. Like, when you make a blanketed rule and then it affects hockey and hockey people aren't really even that a part of the decision. Like, that's where I think.

[Biz]

Can you provide one example that's like infuriating that they do for one for all sports. And that doesn't really work with hockey. Well, they're obviously the regional. The regional thing probably, right?

[Colby Cohen]

They're voting on a new rule in the next week about your eligibility clock starting at 18 and it starts at 18, you get five years, like no matter what. But we both know hockey players play junior hockey, a lot of them until they're 20.

[Biz]

Yeah. Deferred defeats the purpose of. Why I really liked the idea that you could do it is because, like, you get these kids who, you know, they're late developers. So all of a sudden maybe you start playing junior at 17, maybe 18. You get the two years there and it's like, well, now it's time to move out of a bill at home and you're going to go live on campus and you're not going to have a billet parent. You're kind of have to be more of an adult. And it's a better, It's a better process where you're handing them off a little bit more prepared for the next person rather than all of a sudden, like you said, it's like you. I like the idea of them playing in the CHL and then going off to play college. It's just a better development path.

[Colby Cohen]

Yeah, well, and I also think, listen, you can't. The ushl, like, you watch the frozen four and you look, it's, it's overwhelmingly dominated by USHL players. I mean, the CHL guys have been a great addition, but you still look at the numbers like, you know, it's still 16 guys on every team are from the USHL. I mean, that.

[Biz]

I think that that's going to change because the CHL is better caliber than the ushl. Correct.

[Wit]

I think the top end teams. But I don't know if.

[Colby Cohen]

Yeah, I don't, I don't agree. I, I don't think that that's true anymore.

[Merles]

I was told the other day that, like, there actually could be some legislation being put in that would reward NCAA teams from taking prospects from American places. So, like, for example, if a kid's from Chechia and wants to come over and play for UMass, he's ideally going to have to play in the USHL

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for a year or two first.

[Wit]

They should just combine the USHL and the chl.

[Biz]

I agree.

[Merles]

They should.

[Colby Cohen]

That would be make one junior league and CH and get rid of all this, like, animosity and all this. Listen, like, you still have biz. Like, look, that's a debate that we're not going to know until we see some teams play each other. And there's really no incentive like the chl. There's no incentive for them to do that because, like, right now what you're saying is, is how people look at it. People just.

[Biz]

I think that if you took the top five teams from the chl, they would destroy the top five teams from the ushl. That would be my feeling.

[Colby Cohen]

Do you. Have you watched the ushl? Have you watched them? Like, no, I'm aware that, like, there's

[Biz]

certain organizations, like for instance, the Chicago Steel, like, they get really good players because they actually put a lot of their own money into developing them. Like Josh Stone played there.

[Yan's]

Right.

[Biz]

A few years. So that's like a top tier USHL team, which you're saying that could probably compete and maybe even play in the OHL and finish maybe top five teams in the league.

[Colby Cohen]

I, I can't say that because, like, I'm not watching the ohl. Like, I'm not just going to say, like, I can't just like, take what I read from people about junior hockey that I think are mostly morons that write and, and just like, base my opinion on that way. Like, I haven't seen an OHL game live since I watched like, Bobby Ryan and like the Plymouth Whalers when I was like, playing at the ntdp. Like, we used to go watch the Plymouth Whalers when they were still an OHL team. So like, I haven't been in an OHL building and watched a game and since I was in high school. So like, again, hard for me to like, have that opinion. I see these studs that are coming in, you know, like, there's no doubt about that. All I'm saying here is, is that you look at the numbers, like just strictly the numbers. And, and I'm just saying it's still overwhelmingly been USHL guys on, on every roster in this frozen four. That's all I'm saying here. Like, but I would love to see them play. Like, why, why not? Like, let's see some games. Give us an idea. Right now it's like this big mystery for all of us, right? Like, I want to see the Kitchener Rangers play against Muskegon or, or Youngstown or the Chicago Steel. Like, you, like, let's, let's get an exhibition series going and let's, let's, let's get a Wicks. The WHL always has the, you know, like seemingly the, you know, Colby Armstrong says it's the best league, right? Like, I, you know, it's, it's. The Cruise Missile is going to be playing there in another year or two, right? So, but, but that league has always made guys that. You're like, yeah, that guy's good. That guy's nails, like you say out about every guy that comes out of that league for the most part. But I don't know these kids that are like Macklin Celebrini and I know he's a freak and he's not. He's the exception to every rule. But that kid comes out, comes out of the USHL and then he like, look at the path he's been on. Like, how can you say that league didn't prepare him to come to be you as a, as a teenager and as a 17 year old and just win the Hobie Baker, you know, so,

[Biz]

like, yeah, but, but, but was that the path because, like, at the time he wouldn't have been able to go to college.

[Colby Cohen]

Probably.

[Biz]

Okay, for sure.

[Colby Cohen]

No doubt.

[Biz]

And, and he was also, he was being raised in, in, Was he in the States at that point?

[Colby Cohen]

Yeah, San Jose.

[Biz]

But I get what you're saying, I get what you're saying. Yeah, interesting. They should almost do like, like the, the winner of each league plays for like a.

[Wit]

Too late. It's, it's like then you're so, I know you're June.

[Colby Cohen]

Why not do it like beginning, do an exhibition series? Why? Like, why not? I mean, like why, why not figure out a way at least to cooperate and be like, look, if a player wants to go from one, one league to the other, like, okay, no problem, it's gotta be a trade. Like, why not? I mean, why not?

[Biz]

How many teams in the USHL?

[Colby Cohen]

There's only 16 teams in the USHL which guys, like when you see numbers, right? We always, we, we just group the whole ch all together. That's a shitload more teams.

[Wit]

60 teams, isn't it?

[Colby Cohen]

It's, it's way more.

[Biz]

Well, right now it's about 60. I know there was like 20 in the OHL. It's usually about around the 20 mark. The, I think the queue kind of loses a few. They have less stability. And then how many the Western League have. Are they at 20 as well? We can look it up right now.

[Wit]

20 nail eaten killers in the WHL.

[Biz]

So basically you would have a junior league that's close to like 75 to 80 teams.

[Merles]

23 teams in the WHL.

[Biz]

Wow, 23 now. Okay, and then probably 20 to 22 in the OH now because they added Flint.

[Merles]

20 teams in the OHL.

[Biz]

20. Okay, so we're at 42. Sick math.

[Wit]

They'd have to break up. If they somehow combined, they'd have to break up. Up where? You know, Massachusetts is Quebec League, Michigan, Ontario Hockey League, Texas is whl. Whereas, because then you'd have to have it all be just one draft and, and, and you could go. Which could then affect.

[Biz]

Did you say 23 in the dub?

[Colby Cohen]

Yeah, but what about 43? I, I could understand, right? We've got a, you're talking about a league that has a lot of owners. So like I, I, I understand this is junior hockey. There's always going to be like financial and cost concerns and what, but even if they don't merge, like, why not find a way to have like a cooperative relationship where for sure you, you, you have this like mutual respect where it's like, all right, you know what, like we're going to play an exhibition series and then maybe it's a Christmas tournament, right? Something like that. I mean, I know world juniors is going on, so maybe you do it before that. Something like that with juniors. Like, I'm sure NHL scouts would love it. I'm sure the NHL would love it. Like right now the NHL is in this situation where like, we're all looking at the NHL going, you're the ones that need to come in and like, slam the hammer and be like, listen, we need to figure this out so we don't fuck it up for all these kids. Because it's so dirty behind the scenes on what's going on. Right. And none of it's actually about these kids, like their kids.

[Biz]

No, it always goes back to the money for sure. More so. Way more so now. And we talk about it on like the minor hockey level. Whereas that is such a pivotal point for their development through those whatever. Like let's say 14, 15 to, to 20 years old. They should really get together and, and have a plan of attack. And also going back to the media thing with college, like, I feel like because college is so much better, there's more programs coming, monetization of it. I think they're being short sighted about how much they could actually make off of it.

[Colby Cohen]

Yeah, well, and that's where I'm talking about the media deal. And like I said, I think that's why Butchie talked a little bit about what he did. Because you look at the media landscape in college, like they all used to have TV deals. Like, like real TV deals, not a TV deal where it's like, hey, you do the game, let your students produce it, let your students film it, and then you give us the code and we'll put you on our streaming platform. Right. I'm talking like a real, like Hockey east used to have a TV deal with ness and wit. When you like going back to you where there was a game every week and like they bring like you look

[Merles]

at the Big ten network and like the production value that they put into every broadcast and it's not just taking the world feed where everyone's getting that.

[Colby Cohen]

Exactly.

[Merles]

Like they're doing, you know, bench interviews. They're doing like the production value is just. And if every team had that, it would be a game changer. And Boochie's not the only guy who said this. Like, like Rand Packnell came on game notes this week and is like, the TV deal we have is a fucking joke.

[Colby Cohen]

It's not a real TV deal. It's. It's. And no, but, but look, the nchc, which is unbelievably good hockey, right? And, and the NCHC fans all have this chip on their shoulder. But here's the problem. The problem is, is like, if you ask NHL fans that don't follow college, right, hey, what's the NCHC like? You're going to get a lot of blank stares. People aren't going to know, and they need to know. The NCHC used to be on CBS Sports. That TV deal ended and didn't get. You know, they weren't able to come up with an agreement on it, and now they're on NCHC tv. And I'll give them credit, like, they do a great job with their, with their streaming platform, NCHC tv. They really do. But guys like, I want to flip on the TV and watch, watch. Just. It's way easier for me to turn on CBS Sports on my TV than it is to, like, get my computer, get it streaming, get it onto my tv. And now I know they, they've, they've got an app now where you can get it on the tv, but like, you just want to flip through the channels and be like, oh, look, you know, North Dakota is playing Minnesota Duluth. Like, and the game is probably unbelievably good, but I want it more accessible. And there's none of that with college. But, but, but the biggest thing here, and like, earlier this year, we did a, we did a game, Michigan against BU, a regular season game that they threw on ESPN2, which they don't normally do. And when it's an ESPN2 game, ESPN spends a lot of money. They gave us a studio. They promoted the shit out of it, you know, Like, I felt like it was almost like a test run to see, like, could we get a big enough rating to support.

[Biz]

Yeah, what was the rating?

[Colby Cohen]

It, like, it wasn't good. It was not good. People, People didn't watch that game. Like, it wasn't enough. Right? Like, you've got to get a few hundred thousand people watching it to justify it. You can't ask companies to sign up to lose money. Like, it is a business. If someone comes to you guys, they're like, it's going to cost you a hundred thousand to produce this game and you're only going to make 50,000 in advertising. That'd be a bad deal for you.

[Biz]

Well, that's kind of. I mean, we make decisions like that all the time. Like, we didn't go to the Olympics because we're like, well, we can watch the games from here. We're on this time zone with everyone else. Like, there's Reasons as to why we make our certain decisions. I guess we, we've talked to, we talked to, to Ben Boma as well about some of this stuff. Like he, he's, he's pretty heavily invested. Why are you smirking like that?

[Merles]

G. Benny Bulma, the man behind the scenes in college hockey. His name's not said often, but he's always lurking in the shadows.

[Wit]

Yeah, Boochie had some of those comments got buried for him.

[Biz]

What people

[Merles]

we acted like that was his idea and like the way it was clipped was like, oh, this is his idea.

[Biz]

But no, yeah, no, this is being talked about.

[Merles]

Yeah, that's the thing. It's like this is a conversation that's being had. Every hockey tournament you go to, whether it's the Stanley cup or ncaa, people are talking about this. So.

[Biz]

But I think it was Crisco tag Derek for Orbert, who I think they both played at North Dakota or they played college hockey together. And I think they were almost like laughing because we use the term like British Premier League as an example as to what it could be. Do you believe that it's realistic that like hockey universities could get together like the top ones and say, we're kind of over this ncaa. We're going to monetize and grow this ourselves to like a 2530 team Super League?

[Colby Cohen]

Yeah, I know. Because they can't even agree on overtime. Every conference has different overtime rules, boys. I mean, look no further than that. I'm not kidding.

[Biz]

It's kind of crazy.

[Colby Cohen]

You're, you're, you're, you're laughing and like

[Wit]

laughing because that shows how far away this would be from happening. They can't even imagine the team.

[Biz]

Once again, league idea was not, was not mine. It was something that was said and there's conversations going on underneath. So some of these guys laugh, but this is kind of want. How a lot of these programs and a lot of, A lot of these people running these programs want, actually want it. Don't kill the messenger boys.

[Colby Cohen]

Yeah, I mean, I think like

[Ra]

you,

[Colby Cohen]

you, you have all these good, like Minnesota Duluth is a, it's like a great Denver. They don't have football money at Denver. They're not Denver.

[Wit]

The only Denver's hockey teams, they're only D1. D1 team, right?

[Colby Cohen]

No, they're, they're lacrosse team is pretty. I think they've got pretty big time. Big time, but they're not, they're just. It's almost similar to bu Whit. Like, we don't have football at bu. We have a Basketball program, but they don't play. They play in the. In America East Conference, which is a solid, you know, like one of those teams gets a buy into the, you know, gets a chance, the NCAA tournament for basketball. But it's not, it's not the, it's not like BC where they have big football, big basketball, like ACC Conference, like, so some of these schools don't have, you know, North Dakota. Like now no one invests heavily, heavier in their program than those guys, but they don't have Big Ten football money. Like, so I just think to me, one of the ways you could probably help college hockey, and I don't mean the product on the ice. Cause the product on the ice just keeps getting better and better. I think, like, you need a legit one person that brings. You need like a college hockey commissioner instead of. Every conference has a commissioner. David Carle should be the overseeing commissioner of all of college hockey, in my opinion. Like, he should be the guy that sits down with all the commissioners and then has the final say, in my opinion. Because you don't have.

[Biz]

Why one guy, why him?

[Colby Cohen]

And I'll tell you why, Whit. I mean, biz is because, like, you still have six conferences or whatever playing with different overtime rules. Like, look no further than that. You know what I mean? Like, it's, it's. Everybody is pulling in their own direction and, and like, how do we have a sport where like some conferences are doing 3, 2, 1, some conferences are given 2 points for a week.

[Biz]

Well, that's why, that's why, that's why, like, when I heard the British Premier League comparison, I was like, that's what they need to do. Because keep in mind, 50% of our listeners right now, they're living in Canada, right?

[Colby Cohen]

Yeah.

[Biz]

So they don't really even give a fuck about college hockey. They might have even turned the fuck to turn the. Turn the podcast off, considering we're talking too much about college.

[Wit]

But they do say biz sometimes. Like, I wish it was on here. Yeah, I think there are a lot of Canadian people.

[Biz]

100. But so I'm saying from those 50 people who are maybe more inclined to watch and follow junior hockey, I personally find from not playing college, it's a little confusing because you have all these different divisions. Like, there's like schools that I never even knew existed. Like, to me, if you're taking the Michigan, Michigan states, the, you know, the, the bu, the bc, the North Dakota, and you take all the top tier ones, I'm more intrigued to watch the big Dogs play. The big dogs, that's just me.

[Merles]

That's army says the same thing all the time.

[Biz]

And the. The smaller schools and like the Quinnipiax, obviously, they. Their name is. Is higher in the ranks now because of what they've done with the program over the last 10, 15 years, like the mains and things like that. But there should be obviously those four or five spots at the bottom that could be achievable for those programs that are just even starting now. That's why I love the idea of the relegation and like, hey, man, make it that competitive where there's 25, 30 teams, and then you play those teams, like one year, you're going to go there to play the two away games, and you might not get them at home, but you're going to play, though each single team in. In the whole league at least twice. Like that to me. Or I guess that would be difficult because you guys play around 40 games.

[Colby Cohen]

34. And that's the other thing, like you're asking.

[Biz]

You could only do what.

[Colby Cohen]

How can you make the product better? Like, how can you improve it? I think the coaches would all love to see four to six more games on the schedule.

[Biz]

34 is light.

[Colby Cohen]

Yeah. Like, I mean, you play more with

[Wit]

guys like Morton got so strong this year, too.

[Biz]

I. You can still get strong playing 40 games. Like, CHL is like 68 to 72.

[Colby Cohen]

40 would be the biggest

[Merles]

games, too. Like, I think, like, you play every game Friday, Saturday night, like, talk to the NHL, be in coordination with the NHL. Like, when there's no Tuesday night NHL games. Get Michigan in Penn State on from Ann Arbor. Like that.

[Biz]

Yeah. Night.

[Wit]

Yeah. Well, Colby, we appreciate this final thing. Give me. Give me your pick for Saturday night. Denver. Right?

[Colby Cohen]

It's. It's. It's so hard. I mean, look, I. I'm such a. I love Mike Hastings. Like, I know we didn't really talk about him. You know, I mean, he's talk about him glow, Colby.

[Merles]

Talk about the job he's done revitalizing this program because, like, coming over from msu, he's completely changed this place.

[Wit]

He was the assistant coach on World, one of my world junior teams. He's the man.

[Colby Cohen]

Yeah.

[Wit]

Great dude.

[Colby Cohen]

He's such a good guy. Like, he's like wit. I mean, he's the guy that you're like, oh, yeah, this is where you want your. Your. Your son to go play. Like, you want him to go play for a guy like Hasty because he's. He's old school and he has, like, those good Old school values that I think a lot of us probably kind of learned, and some of those, like, old school coaches that even though they were tough, we liked, you know, they. They. He has that type of personality where you're like, fuck, this is going to be brutal. But, like, this is what he wants me to do, so, like, I'm going to do it right. That, That's. That's like the Mike Hastings way. I mean, guys, he took Minnesota State, a program that, you know, again, like biz, you probably would have wouldn't have heard of Mankato. He had those guys in a national championship game, and they were smothering Denver through half of the game before Denver did their. Denver and came back and beat them in the championship in Boston a couple of years back. So he builds up that Mankato program, which he could have coached for life, probably just on his own terms.

[Merles]

He.

[Colby Cohen]

He gets hired at Wisconsin, which is probably a tough place to get hired if you're not an alum. He's a finalist for the job at bu. When they were looking at him or Pando, right? Not. I'm sure you've heard that before, Whit. But I don't. I don't know how. I don't know how out there that is, right? That's how highly he's thought of that. A school like BU that is such a rich history and has so many good alums that could coach. They were talking to Mike Hastings when they were talking to Pando. And listen, they got that right. Like, Pando's the guy. I mean, like, you couldn't have a better guy there. But so Hasty now has this. In year three, this Wisconsin team, which they. They were top five a lot of the year. They get into the tournament as a 13 seed. Like, they needed. They needed things to fall their way to make sure they got in. Like, they were watching that selection show, like, nervous, right? Because they, they struggled in their conference tournament and, and they had such a tough stretch in the middle of the year. They lost six straight at one point. And like, you don't play Chicklet, you

[Merles]

came to town and it changed everything.

[Colby Cohen]

That Chicklets you was so good. I mean, those guys were telling us about it in the meeting and, and we had, we had the, the kid you talked to, Pietola, who, Who got the boys well, and, And Colby.

[Merles]

I want to ask because, like, I think one thing Mike Hastings, like, he really emphasized when we went is, like, how he loves to keep the older kids around, like juniors, seniors. Those are the guys that build the culture and one guy, I think, I mean me and Merle said it all night. Ben Dextheimer. I thought he was the best player in both games.

[Colby Cohen]

Yeah, he's good.

[Merles]

Unbelievable. Small, undrafted defenseman, senior captain. Talk about this kid and what you're seeing from him and hearing anything if he could potentially get signed anywhere at the end of the season.

[Colby Cohen]

Yeah, listen, I got to think there's a team that's going to give him an entry level deal. I mean where he goes from there, you know, who knows? Because I think a lot of times they look at these guys and, and you know, it just sort of depends on what their age is when they're playing the way that they are. But he was, he was their best player last night. I mean he made that unreal pass. I don't know if you guys saw that pass. He made a bottle just splits the D like on and off his stick. I mean it, it, he never dusts it off. I mean that's why that play works so well. I'm actually doing the like a, the thing with him that I'm doing today for espn like the, the skate around or whatever. He's one of the guys we're, we're doing it with is, is Dexheimer because he, he was one of the best like well spoken kids we met. So just look, you know, Wisconsin is such a like historic program. Like people forget Ryan McDonough and like Blake Jeffrey on. I mean they, they, they had Smith, you know, Brennan. Yeah. Even before that.

[Biz]

McDonough win a national championship there.

[Colby Cohen]

They didn't win. They lost in the championship, I think to BC they played in a couple frozen fours. I mean they were one of the best teams when they had that crop.

[Ra]

You know.

[Colby Cohen]

Cody Golob had a pretty underrated but decent NHL career as a defenseman. I don't know if you guys remember him at all. I played in Columbus. He moved around a little bit, but they were stacked. Like their whole D core. Went to the NHL from like the years I was in school. So it's, it's a great program. Like, like Tony Granado obviously. Like everybody was rooting for him. Like he's, he's the best thing with Tony though. Like he gets fired from that job. Like he's still rooting for them to win a championship. Like he, he's still supportive to Mike Hastings tells you what type of guy he is. So think about it like whit, you ever play with a whiskeo guy who wasn't like a great salt of the earth type of guy. No, those guys are. They're all cut from the same cloth.

[Biz]

Gilbert was a good dude. Yeah, he's silly.

[Wit]

All right, Colby, we appreciate it. We're going to get to Ra Ra's World coming up here. But. But great job on the broadcast, dude. You're showing Johnny's awesome morning cup of hockey. Check that out. And we appreciate you coming on, dude. Good luck tomorrow night in the, in the final.

[Colby Cohen]

Yeah, I got to give some love to my. My NA team. Our Titans team starts playoffs tonight, so I'll, I'll miss. I'll miss the first game or two. But I know those guys. You guys definitely helping my credibility with those guys because I'm, I know they're all watching Chicklets, so, you know, hopefully we can pull off a couple of. A couple of wins tonight with our, with our Titans team and push our way into round two. So appreciate it, boys.

[Biz]

Oh, buddy. Yeah. Thanks for coming to help educate us a little bit more on college hockey. Well, at least me wits. What's pretty talking about?

[Colby Cohen]

Keep talking.

[Biz]

Absolutely. Thanks, buddy.

[Wit]

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[Wit]

I need a little RA in my life right now. Let's bring them in.

[Ra]

Hello, everybody. Welcome to Ari's World. Here, the spitting Chicklets podcast. What's going on, boys biz? What you have a Little, a little split break there. Smile.

[Biz]

I, I thought, you know, I went for a cup of coffee. All right. I thought you had a There will be blood shirt on because that's the type of, that's the, the writing in there. What is that?

[Wit]

Blessed lady of the unguarded cage. Those are one.

[Biz]

Stand up and show everybody.

[Ra]

I think we sold four of them all together, but it was, it was a pretty cool thing at Touchdown Jesus. You don't know the dame biz, the Touchdown Jesus. Well, the Bruins got the empty data from my shot, so we rechristened Puck Line Jesus that day after Touchdown Jesus. So stuck a little bit. Burles used it a bit, but yeah, I love that.

[Biz]

So yeah, obviously Yan's having to travel. We're back here with the, the OG setup for ra's World.

[Ra]

Got to get one mic for me and me and wit, like the. I think the first couple episodes.

[Biz]

Yeah.

[Ra]

Oh, what's been going on? Anything? Oh, I. Dude, I heard how you're talking about the peak and trip and that place. The pitches look unbelievable. Dude, I gotta get out there. American Southwest. The only time I went out there was basically, well, whatever, what's her face a while back. But I haven't really seen that area. Like, you know, Monument.

[Biz]

I, I just love driving in the west. Like I told you guys all the time. I drive up every summer, like the minute every. I'm, I'm locked up here, I, I leave and I go through, I go through Jackson, I go through Bozeman and just it's, it's beautiful. The mountain ranges, like the, the landscape going from desert to, to all the way up to Pacific Northwest. So it's cool, man. The west is where it's at, in my opinion.

[Ra]

Yeah, it's like, I mean there's so much like diverse geography in this country. You know, you got like forest of the Northwest, obviously doing, got a lot of. But yeah, I got to get out to Arizona. Check that out.

[Biz]

But you nailed it though already. Like, like we are very blessed in North America, like the different types of landscape and what you, I mean you can go to California, beautiful sun, sunny beaches. You can be in Florida, same thing. All the mountains in, you know, Montana, Utah, wherever you want to go. So we are, we are very blessed from a North American standpoint.

[Ra]

Absolutely, man. But what, what a night of hockey last night. All the playoff ramifications going on, the college games. It's when you need two TVs and a friggin laptop going as well. But I, I know you guys Already touched on Cole Caulfield, but I just want to mention I couldn't believe he's only the seventh Canadian to hit 50 goals.

[Biz]

Crazy.

[Ra]

In a season you history. Yeah. Rocket Rashad, Boom Boom Jeff. Run De la Flor, of course, Steve Shut, Pierre Turon, Stefan Riche. And of course, Cole Caufield in Suzuki. The first Hab with 70 assists since Gila. Floor back at 7980, and only three.

[Wit]

That's crazy.

[Ra]

And only three Canadians have hit the 70 assist mark, too. Again, with, you know, the franchise history, you think there'd be a lot more, but either way, hell of an accomplishment. Good stuff. Just the third dude ever.

[Biz]

Do you think? All right. Do you think that Cole Caufield pays for a meal in Montreal when he goes out anymore?

[Ra]

I don't think he pays for a goddamn thing.

[Wit]

Yeah, but I think he's such a good guy that he's just leaving a monster tip then.

[Biz]

For sure.

[Wit]

The same amount as the meal cost.

[Ra]

Yeah, I mean, like I've been saying for years of the show, yeah, the Bruins rival. But I've had, you know, was raised to have nothing but respect for that franchise. But, man, if you don't get goosebumps watching that arena explode when he got 50 last night, then chanting his name. The interviews after his dad, by the way, with the brewers had always was pretty cool. But afterwards, he kind of. He tripped the media a little bit. They said, you now you can move on with the rest of your life. And he goes, you guys, too, like, just, like, goofing on him right back. Because, you know, they kept talking about getting the 50 goals, but I think they were.

[Biz]

I think they were kind of riling up a little bit because they zoomed in on him when he was at the bench, when he was getting a little frustrated that he hadn't hit the 50 yet at home. And we talked about last week, he's like, like, basically like, shut the fuck up. Stop yelling. Shoot. So to see that they were able to play back and forth a little bit is nice to add a little levity, that situation.

[Ra]

Wait, did you see that clip? St. Louis flipping out on the refs. Like, he had that, like the Mantle lamps, as Tony Soprano would say. They didn't really say what it was about, but it was pretty good. Seems like it fired this.

[Wit]

And I also love the celebration from the coaching staff when he got his 50th now. Yeah, partly. All right, finally, this storyline's over. We can really, like, focus on the playoffs. But they. It was. It was like A team, Team accomplishment. It felt like, in a way. And then after St. Louis talking about. And granted this team's winning, you're going to hear a lot from coaching, coaching staffs of winning teams, how close the team is in the locker room. But St. Louis raves about these guys, how much they care about each. And you know what? Josh Anderson, he kind of, you know, he's taken a little bit of heat, I would say. But even Brendan Gallagher, like these veterans who. And Gallagher got scratched for the first time in his career, and he's still like, any way I can help out? Anderson's getting a chance to be the playoff style player. It's like, pretty cool to see what they've built there in a short, quick time. That's what happens. That's why Pasha's chirping. The Devil's drafting. Look at Montreal's draft picks. And then it's not that long ago that we were like, they're in a tough spot now. It's like these. These guys could win the east if a couple things fall their way.

[Biz]

Even when things weren't going their way, they still somehow made it to the Stanley cup finals. Spoiled franchise. Ara.

[Ra]

Oh, yeah, Like I said, I don't. Don't love them, but I respect the hell out of. But what was I gonna say? Oh, Slovak, what's his name? I'm sorry? First Slovak with 30 goals since Marion Hosa back in 2014. And before the game, the TSM reporter said to Nick Suzuki, what's more likely to happen tonight? Cole gets 50 or slap gets dirty? And he said, both should be good. It was pretty cool. He kind of called the shot there. But that game, the violence was great because I tweeted like a week ago, I need Boston, Montreal first round. Then last night, I was like, I need Tampa Bay, Montreal first round. Because they were killing each other in Buffalo, Boston, on the other side. But. But I texted Coop this morning. I was like, I'm suddenly horny for a Tampa Bay Montreal first round matchup. Because, dude, the bad blood was there. I don't know if there's a history there, but they seem like ancient rivals there. But I think any combination of those teams will be a dynamite first round. You know, it'll be like an Adams Division for sure. Whether it's.

[Biz]

It's almost like this, you know, like. Like the.

[Wit]

The.

[Biz]

The young, up and coming superstars. You know, I know Suzuki and stuff's established, but you guys get the point of the team that's kind of gotten over the hump and Done it. Right. Like, how many more. How many more runs and years does Tampa have left with this core group? And is Montreal ready to take that next step? I thought last year Montreal going against Washington was a perfect series for them to understand and what it's like to play playoff hockey. You got the big Tom Wilson running around, obviously good goaltending, and I thought Carberry obviously had them playing well and they eventually overcame them, but I felt like that was a good stepping stone for them to get a taste. Whereas if they end up going against Tampa, I mean, that's. That's another. That's another little bit of an upgrade. Right? So you. You would obviously have Tampa in that series. Ra.

[Ra]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's still very much a contender. I'm not sure if the second or third in the odds right now, but yeah, I mean, you got Vasilevsky, headman point, Kucherov. I mean, obviously Coop behind the bench. Yeah, they're. They're as much of a contender, I think, as anybody in the field right now. And back to Anderson. I thought. I thought not even Montreal fans were going to call 911 with that. What that beat he put on that kid Kyle Holy. He was trying to put him through the ice.

[Biz]

The city I played against that Anderson when he was in Lake Erie with the Monsters, when I believe it was Columbus, was their NHL team and they ended up winning the Calder Cup. That's when Renski finished his college career and then like went to the AHL playoffs. And I'm like, who the is this guy? He's just taking it behind his net and going the other end. But Anderson was the other guy who stood out as this, like, up and coming power forward. And as you. You touched on Whit, it's nice to see that sometimes it takes guys a little bit. He did get traded. I don't know how much that fucked with him. He did get a nice contract in Montreal, but nice to see he's kind of, you know, making that impact as a power forward that, that he once was thought to be.

[Wit]

I also think you'll see Brendan Gallagher. I think you'll see him score a big goal.

[Biz]

Oh, yeah.

[Wit]

Playoffs, like. Yeah, that's. I know it's been. It's tough. Go, dude. You have that run in that career and all of a sudden you're sitting on the. You're in the stands, not even on the bench, so. But it's. It's. That's a guy. It's like he's gonna make an impact. If they had some Sort of run they won around or two. He'll do something in that, that, that you know, I think people have come to expect over his career.

[Biz]

We should do a little parlay. Like there's for sure he's gonna have that big goal. He'll be either piled on or on top of the goalie when he scores it. And you just know he's going to have blood on his face somewhere and,

[Wit]

and it'll be reviewed for goaltender interference. But us talking about it might mean he's a healthy scratch every playoff game they're in.

[Ra]

Actually a good prop Biz would be like what are the odds of him getting an overtime game winning goal during the playoffs? That'd be a pretty cool problem. Talk the draftkings draw that in the lab.

[Biz]

R.A. i gotta ask you as the Bruins fan, who if you could hand pick your opponent right now within a realistic pick, who, who would you want to play? Because they could get the first wild card, the second. I don't know if they could hop into third in the Atlantic. Right. They're.

[Wit]

They're going to play Buffalo, Tampa or Carolina.

[Ra]

Yeah, Carolina. If Carolina holds where they are, it gets the first seed, then they won't, they won't end up playing the bees.

[Wit]

But R.A. that's not R.A. i. Ottawa can overtake Boston.

[Ra]

Yeah, good, good point. Yeah, I mean, I think what I mean is if everyone holds serve then that's what they'll end up with. But yeah, it's still, it's still wide open on both sides as well. But Biz, the one team I don't want to play in the first round is Tampa Bay. Like for the reasons I just mentioned, the experience, you know, I mean they were in, you know, went to three cups in a row. One two of them just you know, again we beating the same drum here with, with the experience. I'm like, I can't say like I'm afraid of, you know, Buffalo or Montreal. I think they'd be great series obviously but you know, Montreal has two rookie goaltenders. I've obviously there's a history there with rookie goaltenders that the Bruins night won't want to get too close to, fly too close to the sun there. But I would love Boston Montreal, but, but again after that Tampa Montreal game, it was just some bad blood there. Corey Perry with Hudson, it's like whatever line of work where you're 40 years old, you're like slap a 20 year old kid and you only got to sit out for two minutes and like and out of work you don't get suspended. You don't, you know any other line of work you get, you get canned. But. Yeah, I'm just so excited biz. With nine days away, or actually eight. Today's Friday for the playoffs to start, and the fact that the Bees, I think they had 98.7 chance of getting in, I'm so psyched. Oh, the other night I made a late night run to store two. 4. I was jonesing for some Brigham's chocolate ice cream. I'm walking down the street with a quarter ice cream, and who do I see, you know, pulling in that he'd get in from the late game? It was pasta. Like, swear to God, just totally coincident. No, no, I. I was leaving store

[Biz]

two, buying weed off. All right.

[Ra]

He. No, he was parking us. He was. He was packing. I know nothing. I know nothing. No, he was parking one of his two cars because my mother's like, he, like, he leaves those right in his driveway in Charlestown. I was like, man, they don't steal Casio like they used to back in the day. But I, you know, I recognize the car and I wave like, big quart of ice cream in my hand. He rolled the window down. I didn't hold him up. I'd say, what's up, Dave? How you doing? I did get a little fan girly. I was like, how have you boys turned out this year, man? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I bought the up in him a few times. Yeah, we do okay. I'm not.

[Biz]

And what, and what did he say?

[Ra]

Yeah, he was getting ready to go in. We just talked like two seconds. I said, good to see you, pal. He said, oh, how you doing? I said. I said, doing all right. I says, whatever you guys do this year, man, I love this team. I'm proud of you. It's like. And he's like, oh, thanks. But I didn't bug him for more than 10 seconds.

[Wit]

He's like, will you pay this parking ticket I got?

[Ra]

Then you're like, no, yeah, go.

[Biz]

You're on your own. But here's a corn ice cream.

[Ra]

Yeah, it was pretty like just the fluke time at. It was. Was pretty funny. But those. Did you see the ratings bus the other day? The Bruins had five of the top 10 most viewed games in the US this season.

[Biz]

Number 1.2 million with. With Philly the other night.

[Ra]

Yeah, the number. Number one. Number four, eight, nine and ten. Two versus Philly won, Detroit won. The Rangers. But yeah, the number one rated game so far in the US So good shit. Can't Wait for the play.

[Wit]

All right, I got a question for you.

[Ra]

Fire away, buddy.

[Wit]

My buddy, you know, he skates, whether it's men's league at night, sometimes he skates a before work at 6am so the other day he's skating 6am Skates or say it's 10 minutes in and they're sitting there and he said there was three or four guys on the bench bitching about pasta and his turnovers. And he's like. And I. And I'll tell you, I've heard stuff too, from Bruins fans. Like the comp. If you complain about anything to do with Posternach, I think you're a dumbest moronic hockey fan. I don't get it. Look who he's playing with. He gets 100 points every year. He gets 60 assists, 40, 50 goals. It's like. But. All right, do you see what I'm saying? Where there are.

[Ra]

It's Boston sports fans love to be angry, love to be miserable.

[Wit]

Crazy.

[Ra]

That's like sort of the default.

[Biz]

But then that's why they got 1.2 Philly in Boston. The most miserable people on the planet.

[Ra]

But. But what puts a lot of kerosene on that already five alarm fire is, you know, sports radio. Like, people, you know, they love. I like felt Maz. They, they were great to me over the years when, you know, I was just a blogger back in the day. But like, you know, and they're entertainers. Like, they know what they're doing. They stir the pot and, and you hear what you hear in that show, you just hear it from fans the next day. They just parrot it. They repeat it. Like, you know, like the Swayman stuff. I mean, he's going to be a Vesna candidate. Like, who was that goofball? I don't. Whatever. I don't know. Me. Andy. Hot. He's like, I just don't like swimming. I just. They should trade. This was like two months ago. It's like, bro, like, like, like, how do you not realize what you have here? But that's just the condition of Boston sports fans. And then again, add that, you know, the, the sports radio. Because people like, literally, they. You challenge them on it and then they don't count that because, you know, like, Felgus has one thing. And then.

[Biz]

Let me back up David Posternach for you. Ra.

[Ra]

Yeah.

[Biz]

Over the last five years in the NHL, he's fifth in scoring. Okay? So he's one of the top five best players in the league. He's got 224 goals in those 410 games in the last five years. That's one more than Connor McDavid. It's more than McKinnon, it's more than Kucherov. Leon Draisaitl is the only guy ahead of him in that period of time for goals scored. Okay. And then on top of that he's got 297 assists which we've all talked about. That's one thing. Over the last like three years I've noticed he's added to his bag where I want to say now, in the past few years he's hit the 70 assist mark, hasn't he? Like this year he hit it again. Or the 60 assist mark where he's looking at the net and, and, and, and you think you're, he's going to shoot a BB top corner and everybody in the building thinks he's going there and all of a sudden he's using his toe to slide it through a seam back door for a tap in for somebody else. So if they're gonna about his turnovers, it's like, it's like talking about Evan Bouchard. If you're trying all these plays and putting up all these points, there's, there's good players in the league. They're going to have a stick in the lane, they're going to intercept a few passes a game of mistakes. The risk to reward ratio for David Posternak, that's not the guy you want to be bringing up. Top five, top five forward, if not player in the NHL over the last

[Ra]

five years and he's truly becoming a lead pastor. Like you just mentioned biz the last couple years like even he was always more of a goal scoring threat. But he's such a two way threat now and complaining about like his turnovers, it's like dating a supermodel. Complaining she has a mole in the back of her shoulder, you know, I mean it's like, come on man, like focus on the big picture here.

[Wit]

You know

[Biz]

our race date in a 10 and then they break up. What happened? He's like, ah, she had this little mole.

[Wit]

I didn't like her toenail.

[Ra]

She had this toenail. It was just, oh, I could look at it.

[Biz]

You know who was like that?

[Wit]

Ryan Landon.

[Biz]

Oh, buddy. Like one little thing is like, nope, can't do it, can't do it. I'd be like that girl was, you know, ah, she had a little. Exactly what you already just mentioned. But pretty, pretty remarkable though since he signed that contract that at the time like that Was a big leap for Boston. Like giving out a contract of that size. Buddy, he. I think he makes the same as William Nylander, maybe a little bit less. Like what he provides as far as leadership and what he brings is charisma. That is one of the most underrated players in the league still to this day.

[Ra]

Is David so easy to root for? I mean, you know, like, we've obviously been fortunate to hang out with him a few times. He's a ton of fun. But also his, you know, his story. You know, he grew up with a single mom and went to Sweden as a teenager, which is not an easy thing to do. And yeah, he's. He's a fun dude. And man, you know, he's like, I'd say on. On a Hall of Fame track right now, I think, you know, another cup appearance and hopefully a cup will make that happen. But either way, great guy, easy to root for. I think you did mention Matt Schaefer. Tie in Brian Leach's record. Man, I need one more goal to hit that prop. I bet like two weeks ago it was 23 and a half. And I bet the over. I says I, I needed four, three home games left.

[Wit]

I like what's the odds on that?

[Biz]

Okay, well, can I give you guys one quick stat before we move on from pasta?

[Ra]

Yeah.

[Biz]

So it actually in this, and this is not completely accurate, sometimes some away barns, they, they. The people up top, they score differently. So let's go to giveaways. Connor, the top five guys. Connor McDavid, 450 giveaways. McKinnon, 473. Gustrov, 472. Leon Draisaitl, 496. So Posternak has more than them, but he's at 540.

[Wit]

Talking about he's got a few more, but the best players who have five years.

[Biz]

Yeah, but that just goes to show and then the drop off is pretty significant to guys who don't have as many points just because they're not making as many plays. So that was one. One fun stat that I wanted to bring up.

[Ra]

And I don't know if you saw the interview after the game, but he got whacked by that shot late in the game. Schaefer, like around the collbone, he actually left the ice for a couple minutes, but came back. And afterwards we was talking to Weeks. He had said, I think my mom blocked that puck so it didn't hit me in the face. Made a little crack. Just a nice little tender moment. And he was 20 to 1 when I got him to win the call the back at the beginning of the year, he went up to minus 6,000. DraftKings actually took the call to prop down. It's the only award that wasn't up there because he went to minus.

[Wit]

You got that at 20 to 1, dude.

[Ra]

Yeah.

[Biz]

How much?

[Ra]

All right, just. That's just the last. But I'll take it. It'll pay for the seven other props I didn't hit.

[Biz]

Can ra say the number but then you guys bleep it out?

[Wit]

No, he already said it. 100 bucks.

[Ra]

Yeah. Yeah. I think I went 2 grand. Yeah. Most guys don't add the number, but I think we could put. You know, I typically don't. Especially when you're going through divorce. You might know how to put your dime, please.

[Biz]

Crack saber truck in your ticket on Shaper.

[Ra]

Eh, my crypto cash, baby. Unbelievable. But also too like there was another quote. He it said, oh, contract negotiations are going on with the Martins for him to live with them for at least one more season. He said, I told them from the start I could see myself living half of the the next five years.

[Biz]

And what do you do in that situation, boys that you have this year and you're living with the Martin do you go back with?

[Wit]

What would you do? I think, I think if you love it. What? Dude, he's, he's 19 at the beginning of next season. Like, what is if he loves being there, what's the rush? And you know, as I'm guessing Matt Martin, you know, you retire, you miss being around the boys to get to have a kid still on the team, that's obviously the man. It's like, that would be so fun for me if I had a guy living in my house right now that was on the Bruins. I'd be so happy. He'd probably end up being forcefully removed by the management out of my house. But at some point, you know, I would, I would say, hey, I think it's time to move on because you're 24. But I, I, I would like you to stay here your whole life.

[Biz]

I was thinking about it, and that's why they moved the team. They're like, get us away from this guy. If you could pick a, if you could pick an NHL player wit to live at your house, who would you pick? Has to be below 25.

[Ra]

Wow. Zis.

[Biz]

That's who you'd want living with. You all right?

[Ra]

Yeah. He's got like, real Spicoli vibe with him. I think he's like, probably wicked chill

[Wit]

to hang out With I would say Will Smith. But then I'd worry that free be like, ah, yeah, you're out of here. Celebrity. I'm trying to think of people you'd want around your kids. Like, imagine celebrity hanging out with your kids.

[Ra]

Kids.

[Wit]

Next thing you know why, it's like toe dragging me in the street hockey rink.

[Biz]

100 what happened?

[Ra]

100 There was a funny quote to the reporter Stefan Rosen, who covers the the islands does a great job. They asked about the Easter egg situation. You know, live with the minds. He says, yeah, it was a lot. I was actually pretty dialed in. We just got back from a trip. I wake up and all I hear is yelling. Marty's like the Easter bunnies outside. There were actually two bunnies outside. Actual bunnies were all fired up. He goes, not sure if they were the real Easter bunny or not. I ran out there, but got some good eggs. Whatever. Like, basically he's 18 years old, running around with like, the Martin's little daughters, like on an Easter egg hunt. But he really sounded like you might have thought the Easter bunny is a real thing. So I think it's good for him too. Like a family structure. And like, Sydney, the wife. His wife always tweets out Instagram videos of him, puts him on Instagram. Just, you know, he's got a great relationship with the kids, the family, so it's good, man. I would be surprised.

[Biz]

I love it. All right. We should do. We should do like a behind the Bruin or something. Or. Or like becoming a Bruin. And like, one of the rookies for training camp has to live with RA during camp.

[Ra]

I'm gonna have to get a stipend to get out of my studio basement. Unless he wants to split a bed. Would be like bosom buddies over here.

[Wit]

No, his eyes are bloodshot.

[Colby Cohen]

They're like.

[Wit]

You smoking weed? No, I swear to God I didn't smoke.

[Biz]

Contact high.

[Ra]

This is the fourth time I've been drug tested this month. By the. By the league. What's going on here?

[Biz]

Hey. The first router walks in. What's up, man? I've been hanging around with Ariman. You know, this hockey thing ain't really working out.

[Wit]

We went naked bungee cord jumping. It was the best.

[Ra]

Very liberating.

[Biz]

My L5S1 Barking Man.

[Ra]

Oh, bro. I knock, knock on wood. I've been feeling like a chip the last last couple months. Physical therapy's been great. And yeah, hopefully it don't come back. But, yeah, things have been going good. Yep. Getting my daily walks in, so. Feeling good. But because I gotta congratulate. The Leafs set a new record. The Leafs are out shut by 25 or more five for the fifth time this season. Said a new record. So I just want to give you props on that. That's enough of the leaf talks. Leafs talk. Sabers fan. Did you see the guy behind the bench last night? It said Sarbers. It was S A R B E S. Look at. He was right behind the bench. Kind of went a little viral on Twitter. So the team come down between periods and hook them up with a new hoodie.

[Biz]

But they are just on it.

[Ra]

Everybody.

[Biz]

Social's humming right now.

[Ra]

Everyone. The comments like, oh, he must have got that a fricking fanatics.

[Biz]

Did we talk about how they put an actual wagon outside of the arena?

[Wit]

No, we haven't. That's, that's, that looks so good.

[Biz]

Is that kind of homage to us? I guess in a sense they have

[Merles]

something planned for you guys too. Just, just putting that in the ether. I think they, I think they might have went back and tracked down every comment over the past few years. They could be coming with something.

[Wit]

I mean that could be a 10 minute video of just me just carving that whole organization.

[Ra]

Well, the team that drafted you used just for some content in their video about making the playoffs. Not sure if you caught that. They also used Dubiz, but it was a little more of the positive side. You might get the record for the show with times featured on seasoned jumbo.

[Wit]

It started when I said Vegas to be the doormat of the league and they were pumping that orders they drop, drop the puck in the cup final.

[Ra]

Great promo though. I can't, can't argue about that. And I don't know if you saw the rookie goalie got Colton Ellis last night. Got his first NHL shout out in his 13 stop. But dude, during the game, during play, he took his mask off, like fixed his hair, puts his mask back on and then like makes a save like three seconds later. It was like one of the most outrageous freaking things I've ever seen. That's why goalies are absolute animals. But literally, I never seen a guy take his mask off to fix his fucking salad during a game. So a couple Quick congrats, Abs. President's Trophy, second out of the last six. Also just the sixth team in NHL history to stay in first place overall from November 1st through the end of the season. Pretty good chit there. Congrats to John Carlson, Chicklets alumni. His first career hat trick in his 17th NHL season. He's been lighting it up with the ducks. He's got four goals, eight assists, 12 points and 13 games played since the trade. So good stuff from Coliseum. He's going to be huge for them in the playoffs.

[Biz]

I want to give a. Give a couple clicks to your boy Bedsy Bednar. I mean, that guy's the best man. He's so calm. Just the way that he approaches the game. He kind of reminds me of like the NHL's David Carl, like just with how. How he. You throw anything at him. He rarely amplifies or gets fired up. I. I haven't really seen him get worked up. Maybe one time.

[Ra]

Yeah, very level how to do it. And I think he's what, number two.

[Wit]

He's got the dog. He's got. How's he gonna get riled up if the dog's on the bench?

[Biz]

That's true. That's true.

[Ra]

He does all the rile it up there. Quinn Hughes, he set the Minnesota team record for points in a season by a defenseman in just 47 games. Five goals, 47 assists. That's pretty wild. 35 games fewer than I think what the previous record was. Also. He had a moment with me go ran in last night. I don't you saw the highlights. They would beat the shit out of each other for a bit. They all end up on the ice and then they like hug. Did you see that business? They legit. We can't show it here, but they legit like hug before they get up at the end of the game. I don't know. Maybe. I don't know if it's a heated. Probably rub off a lot, but it was pretty funny catching that. I know you guys talked celebrity earlier. He was 75 to 1. Biz, you've tweeted my DraftKings ticket. He was plus 750 earlier this week. He's already up to 40 to 1, man right now.

[Biz]

I think you gotta cash the ticket though. Ra.

[Ra]

I don't even know what. What it's at right now. Maybe I'll take a peek while I'm

[Biz]

doing this, but I do it right now. I'm really intrigued by this because like, like wit whit like already swayed me the other way. I'm an easy guy to sway, but like, it's hard to root against McDavid and if. If San Jose doesn't make playoffs, which they probably won't now. He can't. He's not going to win mvp. It's kind of just how it goes. Exactly. But like, so like, if you would have cashed it like a Couple days ago, you probably would have been in good shape.

[Ra]

Yeah, I mean, it's only what, 2, 200? I had a weird number. 269 play. I can. I don't know. I'm a big let it ride guy, but I don't even know if they were offering that. Let me take a quick look here. I don't. Yeah, they're not even offering right. Right now, actually. Bruins, I got 150 to 1 to win the World's. The other World Series, the Stanley Cup. They're offering me more than I paid for it. It's a 200 ticket. They're offering two 12.94.

[Wit]

But yeah, profit there. You're not cashing out of that one.

[Ra]

All right, no, but they offer me almost ten grand.

[Biz]

Sorry. You get another couple pints of ice cream.

[Ra]

But no, like, what was I gonna say? The buyout for that jersey, Jerry bet I hit. They offered me like 9800 for the bio before that last. The last quarterback hit. But I said, see you later. All done with that stuff. Can't take a cash out, man, what the hell? I'm gonna be on my death pitch.

[Biz]

I'm a bitch. I take the cash outs.

[Ra]

One last note. It may have been Jonathan Quick's last home start. The Rangers had a shutout bid. 33 seconds left to give up a goal. But the Rangers got three more games left. The broadcast said he's gonna most likely start one of those, but he's not announced anything. Hasn't tipped his hand. But it could be the very last stat by the best American goaltender ever. I assume you agree with that wit, right?

[Wit]

Yes.

[Ra]

Two cups. Con Smite.

[Biz]

I'm just happy after he got pigeon tossed in LA that it worked out that he goes to Vegas.

[Ra]

He.

[Biz]

He won the cup with Vegas, so he finishes with three.

[Ra]

Yep.

[Biz]

And then he gets to play in essentially like his hometown. I mean, I think he grew up in Connecticut, so he. He's down the road. What an unbelievable guy. The adversity that he dealt with after dealing with the hip surgeries and the hip issues. We played against them in that conference final in the west when they went on to win. I believe it was their first of the two Stanley Cups. And my God, was this guy ridiculous. The way that he.

[Wit]

I hope we get a. I hope we get a. At his house and he makes us a pizza sit down interview. That would be. That would be awesome.

[Biz]

The reason we say that is he's famous. He's self proclaimed. He wanted Portnoy to go to his Place in Hermosa beach. And he would have hand cooked him a pie out of his own oven that he had in his backyard. So Johnny's a pizza is, you know, he's, he's, he's apparently a good pie maker.

[Ra]

And he's had some great games. I mean, the game last week, some of that saves he's making, it's incredible what he was doing at 40 years old. So either way, how. Whatever.

[Wit]

Yeah, they beat Detroit. He. He literally might have ruined Detroit season that game.

[Ra]

Yeah. Yeah, he was unreal that day. Gee, real quick, I know we're gonna wrap up soon, but was it true that at the Frozen Four they stopped selling beers after the second period in Las Vegas? Yeah.

[Merles]

So Merle's explained this to me. So when you buy a liquor license, like the NCAA has to purchase the liquor license. They only purchase it for a certain number of hours. So if a. And then they have to do the 60 minutes in between the two games. So if, you know, a game goes to overtime, if the game's delayed, if there's, you know, ice delays or anything, they can't push back the liquor license. Obviously Merle's found a way into a suite where they were still serving all games. So he made it work. But yeah, it's just like you only can purchase the liquor license for a certain amount of time. And that was Merle's gripe. He was. He says the NCAA always does this. They always cheap out on their liquor license, so hopefully that's something they can fix moving forward. But that was Merle's thing. All night. He's like, I knew it. I've been saying this for years. They cheap out every time.

[Ra]

Yeah, I was curious. Someone tweeted it, but I want to verify with you. But yeah. Of all cities to have a fucking last call second period. You don't expect it there. Classic recommendation for the week. It's a movie I've mentioned before. 1973, the Friends of Eddie Coyle. It's I would call the OG Boston gangster flick. Does Robert Mitchum, who's like an old, like 40s, 50s star late in his career, he basically, you know, plays a kind of a washed up like sad sack gangster. But it definitely like any Boston gangster movie that you watch since then, definitely traces its DNA back to then and biz when they were filming it. He hang out with all, all the local gangsters. Gangsters love hanging with actors. Actors love hanging with gangsters. But you know, he was hanging out with like legit heavy hitters, you know, they kind of immerse himself in the role. And actually, Alex Rocco, who played Mo Green in the Godfather, he's. He's in the picture too. He got rounded up a hit. There used to be a big gang warhead in the 60s business. McLean feud. What's up?

[Biz]

I watched the Godfather front to back the other day. I did it ra. I thought of you, and I put it on. So the minute you said that, it just kind of clicked. What a. The fat. Like, I'm sure you've talked about it before. The opening scene, the wedding. What a way to establish it all and, like, just how. How, like, calm and collected the Godfather is. And that is. I'm drawing a blank on the guy's name.

[Ra]

Al Pacino, James, Marlon Brando.

[Biz]

He was so good at doing it. And didn't they put cotton balls in his. His cheeks to do it?

[Ra]

Yeah, yeah.

[Biz]

I also heard that he. They wrote some of the script on, and they would put it on the guy he was talking to's chest, and he would read the, like, read off of them, because the way that he talked, he never really looked the guy in the eye and he'd. You know, he talked like this, but he was reading it, reading this, some of the script off of the guy because he, like, he was having a hard time maybe memorizing it and delivering it with the cadence in which. That he talked in the movie.

[Ra]

Did you.

[Biz]

Have you ever heard that wit?

[Wit]

I didn't know that.

[Ra]

Oh, yeah. It's legendary stuff. Yeah. Yeah. He was like, mom, Brandon. He had a great early career. Then he kind of fizzed out. And when they brought him in for that, people like, oh, he's washed up. Blah, blah, blah. And he, you know, gave the performance of his career. But. But, yeah, he was famous for that. Cue cards on, like, other actors or placed other. In other, like, parts of the. Of the. The set. Like, all he did that basically for the rest of his career because, yeah, he either was too lazy to learn his lines or he just, like, didn't want to. Like. But, you know, he got paid crazy money to be in Superman for, like, 10 minutes back in 78. And, like, yeah, he couldn't remember any of his lines. He would just have put cue cards everywhere.

[Biz]

So would you consider him, like, the Leo of that time when he was in his prime? Him?

[Ra]

I. I think, yeah, I would. That's a great comp. During. Oh. Oh, God on the Waterfront. Stella. What's the Cat in a Hot Tin Roof? Yeah, he probably was the Leo of his time. You know, guys love them, girls love them. And I guess there's some, like, he. Everything and anything in Hollywood, like, didn't matter. He was a trisexual. He would try anything. There's a story that him and Richard Pryor got at it one night too. Like, which is a pretty wild one.

[Biz]

Okay. He liked the other side of the menu, is what it likes to say.

[Ra]

Yeah, a little. A little bit of this, a little bit of that.

[Biz]

But he. I thought he was tremendous in it. And I can't wait to watch number two. I mean, I just think that's the horse head in the bed. Like, that was. You know, it was just seeing Al Pacino go from like, kind of being like the innocent kid who went off to war and then, like, obviously looking out for his old man to then all of a sudden, it snap. It was like, kind of like he went from this calm demeanor to. All of a sudden, I thought I was watching Scarface again with how intense he got.

[Ra]

Bro, wait till you. Wait till you watch two. It's like the. The, like the whole. Transfer me. It's probably.

[Wit]

You should watch two when we're done recording right now.

[Biz]

All right.

[Ra]

Like, legit is like, top two or three performances in a movie. I say it all the time, hands down. Like, without. Yeah. And two's like, a little. I'd say maybe a little tougher to fall. There's a little. The plot's a little more intricate, not so much the flashback, but just, you know, you gotta, like. I still discover stuff. I've watched the movie probably 80 times, and I still, like, kind of find new things, but. But you definitely throw the phone in the fucking toilet when you're watching that.

[Colby Cohen]

Hey.

[Wit]

All right.

[Ra]

Yeah.

[Wit]

What do you got, Biz for people who, you know, maybe looking to see new things, too. I don't know if you guys have heard about prime Monday night hockey. You heard of that biz? You ever heard of prime Monday night hockey? It's coming up this Monday.

[Biz]

I think it's Dallas, Toronto, isn't it?

[Wit]

Final, prime Monday night hockey game of the season. And it's the final home game for the Toronto Maple Leafs in a disastrous, disastrous season. It'll be the send off. Dallas in town 7:30 Eastern. Dallas will smack them around. Just maybe they'll outshoot them by 25 or more. For the sixth time this year, that would be happening to the Leafs. I know RA Just brought that up. But that's prime Monday night hockey. Our listeners in Canada can watch Monday night's game on Prime Video. If you're already a Prime member, you're all set. If not, sign up for a free trial@prime video.com Prime Monday Night Hockey. It's on Monday. It's on Prime. Put the Leafs down, you know, with some class by watching on Prime. So I had to bring that up.

[Biz]

If they win that game, I'm going streaking downtown Toronto.

[Wit]

Okay, Fair.

[Biz]

So everybody can. Can join me in the festivities for The Boys Cloud 9 Productions. We're gonna. We're gonna run the stairs up to the top, and then we're gonna do the Megatron, I think. Ra. That was pretty much all I had. Oh. The last thing I was gonna say about the Godfather. But it's funny to see in. In 1972, when his wife in Italy turns on the car, like, it blow up, just how different the technology is now, making things a little bit realistic. Like, that must have been probably one of the first times they'd ever blown up a car in a movie.

[Ra]

Probably a few before that. But Apollonia, she was a smoke, though, huh? Before she got.

[Biz]

She was cute.

[Ra]

She was pretty cute. Yeah. Good style. Dude, I'm so fired up to actually watch the Godfather. Mo Green, you know, the casino. Who gets it in the eye. Spoiler alert. That's what I was saying. Originally, he's from some old mass. He was involved in an actual, like, gangster war, and he got rounded up for driving getaway on a drive by. And after that, he changed his name, moved to Hollywood, and became a actor, became a movie star. Alex Petrichone became Alex Rocco. And speaking of gangsters, I did forget one detail when we were talking about, you know, back in the day when people I knew might have robbed trailers and stuff. I forgot to show the actual Reeboks, though. Like, this is a new version. This. Every person in town, man, woman, grandmother, child, had these Reeboks, like the yellow sweaters and Goodfellas, because they had seconds of them. So I meant to give the prop. So if you ever see Biz in Boston. I do. With a yellow sweater and these sneakers on. Mind your P's and Q's, because he's probably a wise guy.

[Biz]

All right, I have. I'm. I have those in my rotation right now. Those exact Reeboks. They're unreal. They're the comfiest. Comfiest flying shoe in the league.

[Ra]

Good. Yeah. Because they. What was unique? I mean, it's, you know, plain shop white, but the green. The green letter, I think that that's what sold it. So. Yeah, I Grabbed them up like a year ago. Good. All right.

[Biz]

Do you have any Noble wheels yet?

[Ra]

Any what?

[Biz]

No. Bull.

[Colby Cohen]

The.

[Biz]

No, the company. No, no, no.

[Ra]

Bullshit.

[Biz]

I'll get you some Nobles. Those are comfy too. They have a new runner I got to get you runners.

[Wit]

That runner's awesome, dude.

[Ra]

10 and a half.

[Biz]

So they just. They just released those ones.

[Wit]

Those are sick.

[Biz]

You. You got a pair?

[Wit]

I got a pair. And put them right in for the treadmill walks. The old man treadmill walk. And they are like walking on a cloud. Like.

[Biz]

Oh yeah, yeah.

[Ra]

Size 10 and a half biz. Last thing my NHL pick I. The aisles let me down last week but I think they're buzzing after that game last night out shot Toronto like a 4 to 1 ratio. Pete the Boar, I think he's going to give him a little bump. Like he said. We got four game sevens here. I think they keep it rolling against the sen. So Isles take them. Regulation only. And the wheel is. There's a Whalers documentary NHL network down here in the states. Two o' clock Monday afternoon. Kind of a weird time but if you're a hockey history fan or an old school Whalers fan, give that a whirl. And hopefully in a few hours astronauts on Artemis 2 get safely back to earth. Godspeed to those guys. They went the farthest from earth than any humans in history. Except for. Well, those who got probably kidnapped by aliens. But so shout out to those people. That's a lot of balls to do that stuff. So. So hopefully they get back safely at about five o' clock today. So that's it boys.

[Wit]

Great job. All right. Catching up. We will be back Tuesday normal schedule next week. We get the playoffs coming up. Very exciting time. Love both you guys. Biz congrats on the successful season two. All right. Good job and we will see everyone Tuesday. Have a great weekend.

[Biz]

Again. Won't happen. Won't happen.

[Colby Cohen]

Won't happen again.

[Biz]

A bad habit worth breaking. But it's taking time. I don't know. It don't matter. It's going to happen. It's going to happen again.

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