Spittin' Chiclets Episode 638: Featuring Joey Kocur

Summary

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Spittin' Chiclets Episode 638: Featuring Joey Kocur

Date: April 17, 2026
Hosts: Ryan Whitney, Paul "Biz Nasty" Bissonnette, Rear Admiral (RA), Keith Yandle, Mike Grinnell
Special Guest: Joey Kocur

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Episode Overview

This stacked, irreverent episode is all about the end of the NHL regular season and the start of the playoffs, bringing trademark Spittin' Chiclets banter on league controversies, playoff matchups, and legendary hockey tales with a special interview featuring four-time Stanley Cup champ Joey Kocur. The hosts deliver their outspoken takes on playoff matchups, the drama in Toronto and Columbus, and reminisce about old-school hockey stories with Kocur.

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Key Segments & Insights

1. Opening Banter & Pink Whitney Stories

[01:02–03:11]

• Paul Bissonnette recounts recent fan interactions and unexpected moments of Pink Whitney branding.
• The gang riffs on the Buffalo Sabres’ social media trolling, with Biz recounting being mercilessly blasted by the Sabres’ admin and even put on a Buffalo billboard.
  • “They did that, like, bravo, bravo. Just incredible, incredible trolling by them to a guy who deserves it. A true scumbag. Myself, it's somebody who just doesn't know what he's talking about.” — Biz Nasty [05:23]

2. The Sabres’ Playoff Return & Buffalo Fan Baggage

[02:29–08:42]

• Sabres clinching a playoff spot sparks deep talk about long-suffering fan bases (Buffalo, Detroit, Columbus).
• Respect and empathy for Buffalo's playoff drought, with shoutouts to the loyal fan base and memorable moments in Buffalo hockey history.

3. Columbus Blue Jackets & Coach Rick Bowness’s Epic Rant

[09:04–24:36]

• Hosts play and dissect Rick Bowness’s scathing end-of-season press conference, calling out his team's lack of fire.
• Multiple perspectives debated:
  • Player Perspective: “That's fucking bullshit ... straight up calling out the character.” — Biz Nasty [16:53]
  • Middle Ground: Balance between old-school coaching and a new generation of players.
  • Quotes from players—some supporting Bowness, some likely seething.
• Discussion turns philosophical:
  • “Not enough of these guys hate losing enough more than they enjoy winning. And that's the—I was. And you know, it kind of made me think…” — Keith Yandle [13:39]
• Debate continues on locker room vs. public criticisms, and whether Bowness should return as coach (it’s announced he’s back for another year).

4. Toronto Maple Leafs Dysfunction & Organizational Chaos

[35:41–44:47]

• Deep dive on the Maple Leafs’ very public internal struggles, with messy management moves, cost-cutting, fan gouging, and Austin Matthews’ noncommittal future.
• Twitter and fan outrage targets the organization’s lack of hockey vision and “private equity” approach.
• Hilarious rants about kids needing to pay to wave the flag, and “corporate” culture draining energy out of the lower bowl.
• “You need hockey people. You, you need to, you need to build a family and a culture. And all of a sudden they're nickel and diming...” — Biz Nasty [38:00]

5. East Playoff Series Previews

Pittsburgh Penguins vs. Philadelphia Flyers

[45:15–56:59]

• Glorious hype for this old-school rivalry. The panel breaks down key players, stats, and the “Sidney Crosby show.”
• Flyers’ PK/PP struggles analyzed, and the impact of their young core debated.
• Theatrical Darth Vader moment by Keith Yandle donning the mask and picking Philly for the upset.
• “Darth the Meech God. All hail the Meech God. He will have the series of his life.” — Keith Yandle [50:40]

Montreal Canadiens vs. Tampa Bay Lightning

[57:08–66:49]

• Can resurgent, speedy Montreal topple battered, veteran Tampa?
• Debate focuses on recent playoff letdowns for Tampa, Kucherov’s postseason game, and Vasilevskiy's stats.
• “I’m going to pick Montreal. Yeah, I know.” — Keith Yandle [60:16]
• “If Vasilevsky's given up those numbers, they're done again in the first round.” — Biz Nasty [63:47]

Boston Bruins vs. Buffalo Sabres

[68:09–77:39]

• Analysis on the mammoth defensive size on both teams, with focus on Sabres’ breakout season and whether Boston’s structure/goalie Swayman can hold them off.
• Heated debate on who wins head-to-head matchups and which forward group is more playoff-ready. Rasmus Dahlin and Tage Thompson as keys.
• “I think it's just Buffalo's time. ... but I think it's going seven.” — Biz Nasty [71:11]
• “If Swayman is on, he steals games.” — Ryan Whitney [76:07]

Carolina Hurricanes vs. Ottawa Senators

[80:28–91:55]

• Ottawa as a dark horse: Brady Tkachuk’s hunger, matchups at center, and Carolina’s D structure scrutinized.
• Split panel with hot takes: “I got Ottawa shocking them in Carolina game seven.” — Biz Nasty [89:48]
• “You're playing to become a team that doesn't make trades using chat GPT.” — Biz Nasty [90:23]

Vegas Golden Knights vs. Utah Mammoth (Western preview, brief)

[94:45–101:25]

• Utah's first playoff run, the impact of John Tortorella (“Torts”) as new Vegas coach, and matchups dissected.
• “I'm betting with my horn. And I got Utah tusks up in seven.” — Keith Yandle [101:07]
• Most of the panel sticks with Vegas as the safe pick, but predict Utah's core has a bright future.

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Joey Kocur Interview

[102:55–163:47]

(Timestamps [103:34]–[160:49])

Major Themes:

• Saskatchewan Farm Roots & Upbringing:
  • “My dad was. He was a tough old bastard, and he pushed us pretty hard. …there was no sassing around.” [105:55]
• Fighting Origin Story:
  • Kocur credits junior coach Jerry James for shaping his game—recommending he specialize in fighting to make the NHL.
• Teammates & Friendships:
  • Stories involving Kelly Chase, Wendell Clark, Bob Probert.
• Rivals and Team Loyalty:
  • Never fought Chaser or Clark in the NHL due to close friendships: “I always felt that I was maybe their bigger brother… just too close to family.”
• Role on Teams:
  • Accepted the grinder/enforcer role after being a high-scoring junior. “I knew my place on the team... I accepted what I had to do.”
• Legendary Coaches:
  • Contrasting experiences with Mike Keenan and Scotty Bowman.
    • “Keenan called me to his office one day to vent … [he] got up and walked out of his office and I was there sitting by myself…” [122:23]
    • “Scotty wasn’t like that. He just kept you on edge all the time… to me, he was the best coach I ever had.” [123:07]
• Stanley Cup Memories:
  • Tales from 1994 Rangers run—parade, lifting the curse, and legendary teammates like Brian Leetch, Zubov, Messier.
  • “Canyon of Heroes... people 20, 30, 40 stories up, sitting outside their window... that's something I will never forget.” [125:56]
• Stanley Cup Antics and Mishaps:
  • Soldered the Cup back together himself after receiving it broken on the baggage claim.
  • Lost Cup stories involving teammates during the parade: “...they found it 15 blocks away a few hours later with a bunch of Irish dudes.” [127:42]
• Return to Detroit:
  • How Probert's instigation in a game led to Kocur’s return and two more Cups.
• Physical & Medical Battle Stories:
  • Near loss of arm to infection after a fight, long hospital stays, and harrowing recovery.

Notable Quotes & Anecdotes

• Kocur on fighting:
  • “I never, never bothered me to get hit. So if, as long as I hit them harder than they hit me, I was always happy.” [108:40]
• On the grind line:
  • “As long as I'm on the bench, he [Scotty Bowman] can send me out there. If I'm in the penalty box, he doesn't control me.” [136:55]
• Favorite fight:
  • “Getting back in the league and winning two cups with Detroit after the Probie fight was… would be the top one.” [161:31]

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Ari's World (RA's Segment) & Playoff Picks

[168:08–185:47]

• RA delivers heartfelt playoff hype and makes his series picks.
• Notable take: Bruins in six vs. Buffalo, leaning on Swayman’s playoff experience.
• Picks Flyers to upset Pittsburgh, “just think talk is going to have him gunning” [175:15].
• Tampa-Montreal—leans Montreal in seven, trusting in the “magic.”
• Dallas-Minnesota: “Mini in seven … should be a bloody one.”
• Vegas-Utah: Flipped from Utah in 7 to Vegas in 7 after research (“Hart stays in that zone, I don't know how Utah beats him.”)
• Shoutout to Tidbits: US Thanksgiving playoff team stat, movie/TV recs (Arrested Development, Untold: Portland Jailblazers, The Social Reckoning), soccer World Cup ticket fiasco.

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Memorable Moments & Quotes

• Sabres Billboard Payback:
  “Bravo, bravo. ...to a guy who deserves it. A true scumbag. Myself, it's somebody who just doesn't know what he's talking about.” — Biz Nasty [05:23]
• Rick Bowness's Accountability:
  “These guys, they don't care. ...Losing is not important enough to them. It doesn't bother them. Like, how can you go and play like that?” — Rick Bowness (clip, ~[10:30])
• Keith Yandle's Flyers Fandom:
  “Darth the Meech God. All hail the Meech God…” [50:40]
  (while wearing a Darth Vader mask)
• On the Leafs Management:
  “They're the richest team in hockey and they're nickel and diamond. Not just the players, but fans...like, what the.” — Biz Nasty [38:00]
• Joey Kocur's farm upbringing:
  “There's no question my dad was. He was a tough old bastard, and he pushed us pretty hard. So there was no, there's no sassing around.” [105:55]
• On soldering the Cup:
  “The top is broken from the bottom... I bought some silver solder and I soldered it back together, and it lasted for another. Another month or two.” — Joey Kocur [127:18]
• On losing the Cup:
  “...they found it 15 blocks away a few hours later with a bunch of Irish dudes.” [127:42]
• On fighting:
  “I think the Stanley cup, soldering it back together was one of. One of them. ...I think the only reason I have my hand today is because, I mean, you guys know, we got stitched up.” [151:57], [148:48]
• On Nick Lidstrom:
  “You never. Nobody ever had to talk to him. And I never once saw him lose his cool, get mad, ever. I mean, that's. That's pretty impressive.” — Joey Kocur [144:00]

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Important Timestamps

• [01:02–03:11] — Pink Whitney Story & Sabres Social Media Billboard
• [09:04–24:40] — Rick Bowness Rant and Columbus Culture Debate
• [35:41–44:47] — Leafs Dysfunction Segment
• [45:15–56:59] — East Playoff Series: PIT–PHI Preview
• [57:08–66:49] — East Playoff Series: MTL–TBL Preview
• [68:09–77:39] — East Playoff Series: BOS–BUF Preview
• [80:28–91:55] — East Playoff Series: CAR–OTT Preview
• [94:45–101:25] — West Playoff Series: VGK–UT Preview
• [102:55–163:47] — Joey Kocur Interview: farm stories, NHL fights, 1994 Rangers Cup run, Red Wings brawls, soldering the Stanley Cup, and more.
• [168:08–185:47] — Ari's World: playoff picks, Bruins press credential saga, playoff statistics, new show/movie recommendations, U.S. Soccer drama

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Final Thoughts

A marathon playoff preview episode with legendary hockey storytelling. The Chiclets crew blend deep-dive analysis, old war stories, and classic irreverence—especially in the Joey Kocur segment full of epic fight tales and NHL lore. Fans of playoff hockey, salty team dysfunction, or classic enforcer memories will not want to miss this one.

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Transcript

[Ryan Whitney]

Hey, Spit and Chiclets listeners. You can find every episode on Apple Podcasts and Spotify Prime. Members can listen ad free on Amazon Music.

[Joey Kosher]

In sports, winning takes more than talent.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

It takes strength, reliability and the drive

[Joey Kosher]

to go the distance.

[Ryan Whitney]

Sound familiar?

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

That's the same DNA you'll find in a Chevy Silverado.

[Joey Kosher]

As capable and dependable as a winning team.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Chevy Silverado shows up and gets the job done.

[Joey Kosher]

It won't flinch when the pressure's on.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

It doesn't take plays off when it comes to trucks. Chevy Silverado is football guy approved. To learn more About Silverado, visit chevy.com

[Joey Kosher]

in sports, winning takes more than talent.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

It takes strength, reliability, and the drive

[Joey Kosher]

to go the distance.

[Ryan Whitney]

Sound familiar?

[Joey Kosher]

That's the same DNA you'll find in the Chevy Silverado. As capable and dependable as a winning team.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Chevy Silverado shows up and gets the job done.

[Joey Kosher]

It won't flinch when the pressure's on.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

It doesn't take plays off when it comes to trucks. Chevy Silverado is football guy approved. To learn more About Silverado, visit chevy.com

[Ryan Whitney]

Me and Ryan have been officially welcomed to the jungle that is barstool sports.

[Keith Yandle]

I brought it towards the Coyotes and I asked him if it was okay if I joined the Spit Chicklets podcast full time.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Ryan, Whitney's got a pink Whitney out there now.

[Keith Yandle]

Sandbagger.

[Joey Kosher]

Get that on camera.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Keith Yandel, the sonk man. Kate is a full time member. Marley just gotten assist from Chris B. Whoa.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

We're buzzing right now.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

What is up, folks? Welcome to playoff hockey. Just about our last show of the regular season. Pinkies up your nose. Pinkies up everywhere, all over North America and hopefully someday Europe. It's pinkies up. You guys know what's up. It's pinkies that are up. And that's shout out to pink Whitney. Our drink, the new bottle, all the different sizes, just everything about Pink Whitney is pinkies up. So shout out anyone out there who's drank it, who will try it, who enjoys it. The other day we had some guys coming out from National Grid and they're looking at the meter. I got to get the meter replaced. The meter's too old. I said, do you like vodka? He didn't really speak English. Yeah, yeah. Vodka, vodka, vodka. I gave him the bottle, his eyes lit up and he just put his pinky. I'm like, how'd you know that? He's like, si, si, senor.

[Keith Yandle]

So.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

So it was incredible, incredible start to my day to just give away a big old bottle to a hardworking gentleman out There. So pinkies up.

[Keith Yandle]

Good karma for you and your team, the Oilers.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I need good karma, boys, because as the kids these days say, as my son Ryder said when I showed him the video, I got cooked. I got cooked in the best possible way. I never imagined I'd ever be on a billboard. Yeah, but I did make one. Did I make it by apparently yes. For people who don't know the Buffalo Sabers admin went on a just a murder spree. They were just like Buffalo Bill all over Twitter. An entire day burying anyone and everyone who's carved their team over the last. Not just season two, season three, season 14 seasons before Twitter existed, people have been carving the Buffalo Sabres.

[Keith Yandle]

So happy. I went there halfway through the year with TNT and I begged for forgiveness.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I was actually thinking, how is not like he in all these years have been crushing him. And I forgot you went there and you got paddled by Rob Ray and you were already out of the crosshairs early on. Very smart by you.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah. Pula had his goons bring me in a back room and I. I basically like kissed his feet. He spit in my face, but that's okay sometimes.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

You like that?

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah. Got me a little. Got me going. Between that and the ass paddling, I mean it was a hell of a. Hell of a couple days.

[Ryan Whitney]

Hell of a day.

[Keith Yandle]

Didn't even eat my.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

That's a normal trip to Toronto for biz.

[Keith Yandle]

Didn't even need my dick pills, but. Oh my God, that was so.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Yeah, I thought it was. AI I. The first tweet came across now they had set out earlier. This is a big day for us basically, like all the receipts of all the years we have saved. Like today we're attacking. And I tweeted immediately, like, oh God help me. And I didn't know what was coming. I just figured it would be like, you know, Pittsburgh's got me this year. Were you on the Pittsburgh one or was that just me getting carved by them for. For calling them out?

[Keith Yandle]

I don't remember if I can't even keep track anymore.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Yeah, we're so bad. We're so bad and so pathetic. I got another thing about how pathetic am that'll make you laugh too. Goes back to Vegas first year saying they're going to be the doormat of the league. Played before puck drop in the Stanley cup finals. So yeah, I have a. I have quite the reputation in terms of a guy who if I say something the other the. The opposite happens. It's like opposite day in Whitney world. And this one I Didn't know what was coming, but like I said, I knew something was coming. And then they dropped the billboard. Now it looked like a helicopter was flying by this billboard. I was like, aha. I laughed. I was like, that's very funny. But, like, just good AI, you know? You know that good AI humor. Yeah. Pasha loves that. He fucking ruined a couple sandbaggers because AI so. And. And I just was, like, laughing, and I was just like, oh, that's. That's great. Like, they probably have even more coming for me. And then Dave Portnoy tweeted, is this real? He didn't. I think he was 100% joking as well. You know, one of those is this real Type things, you know, like, you just say it knowing it's not, but for some reason, it kind of made me think. I'm like, wait, is that's. No, no, no, no, Donnie, no. And right underneath his question of is it real? It was a guy in the parking lot just camera up. The billboard was real. It was a real life billboard. And then somebody said, there's another one too Wit, there's another one on the other side of Buffalo. I swear to God, I think there's two. There might be two bills. Two billboards in Buffalo. So I got both of them right now. And just the fact that, like, they did that, like, bravo, bravo. Just incredible, incredible trolling by them to a guy who deserves it. A true scumbag. Myself, it's somebody who just doesn't know what he's talking about. But I've been hosting a podcast or, you know, I've been a part of this podcast or. What are we coming up, 10 years? I mean, I've got a couple things right, but I'm bat nights. I. I'm batting beneath the Mendoza line, I think. I think it's like under 200. You know, you're in double A if I'm a major league baseball player. And the way they went about this was just so perfect. I don't know what it cost to rent. I don't think it matters. Pagula, you know, he front wipes hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of dollars. So it didn't matter, but it was incredible by them.

[Joey Kosher]

And.

[Keith Yandle]

And I even gave me this T shirt.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Yeah, I can eat it. I can eat it, though.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

The thing I can tell that you're happy for them and you're happy.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I'm very happy for them.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Because if you weren't, you'd be like, they're going to lose first round anyways. You would have doubled Down. So I, I, Even when you said it, you were hoping that they'd at least make the playoffs or make a push to get it.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Yes. Thank you for saying.

[Keith Yandle]

The biggest thing that I took from the clip was the poor fans of Buffalo. You, you wanted it for them.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I'll tell you.

[Keith Yandle]

I thought, I thought I was getting on the billboard because I said I was going to take a. On Chipwa street at point one. One point. I know, I know. That's their crown jewel. So once again, I've apologized for that. I've gotten paddled for it. I've gotten my face spit in, amongst other things. The old fish hook.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I mean, just the, the amount of time, though. The amount of time it's been since, like, I don't even know if Tiger woods had been beaten by his wife with a nine iron the last time they made. And look at what happens to that guy since. Think of all the Tiger Wood stuff in the last 15 years.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah, right. That's the right term.

[Ryan Whitney]

That's a great point.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I just was, I'm just, I'm just thinking like, how much shit has happened since the last time they're in the playoffs. And now that they're there, it's, it's electric. It's obviously, the city's on fire. They're ready to go. They're. And they're. And they're laughing at people like me who doubted them this year. Once again, I'll say that was not a preseason prediction either.

[Keith Yandle]

Right.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

We were in December when I said that. A magical run that we've been over now. We'll get into the series in a little bit. We got some other things to get to since Shout Out Buffalo.

[Keith Yandle]

So since that point, they've only lost nine times in regular.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I think it's like 39. Nine and nine. Is that what I saw? Yeah, something right around there. Remarkable. And yeah, just an incredible run now. I think it's going to be a hell of a first round, but we're going to get into the east first round series. What I want to bring up next, when I talked about Buffalo and the Sabres and saying these poor fans, like, I meant it is from the bottom of my heart. These poor fans. There's two other fan bases. Just these poor, poor fans. They don't deserve this one is Detroit. We went over Detroit last episode. And for you Detroit fans, we're dropping Joey Kosher. Today. We sat down with Joey Kosher. Great guy, great interview. Told the Hillette. What's the one story with Probert?

[Keith Yandle]

Probert Giving him a scrap.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Oh, you don't even spoil. But an incredible Bob Probert story. And really changing the course of Joey Kosher's career in life. Bob Probert had something to do. So that's for you Detroit fans. The other fan base even more loyal than Sabers fans. I'm sorry. Because the Saber, the building's been empty forever in Buffalo. I don't blame you guys. I don't blame you.

[Keith Yandle]

And they've had the bills to root for at the same time of season, so.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

But the, the poor fans of Columbus, man, these fans, they've had one playoff series win, one in all these years. And every year we say the building's rocking, they're buying merch, cheering on their team, they're shooting the cannon, they're selling out season tickets and they got nothing to show for it. And every single year, it's next year, it's next year. They finish the season strong. They got a bunch of young guys coming. It's next year. And then the next year comes and they stink again. Well, Rick Bonus guys, Rick Bonus went off. Rick Bonus lost his mind.

[Keith Yandle]

I think I would have rather the billboard and.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Oh yeah, are you shitting me? I'll take that. I'll take 100 billboards over. I'll take a coach Michelle Terry. And after he heard this wrath probably was like, oh my God. God, that's kind of harsh. Play it now, G G, play it now. Cuz we got, we got, we got to play it for everyone who hasn't heard it. Rick, you've been a part of a

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

lot of games and a lot of seasons.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Have you ever been part of something that's as frustrating as this has been down the stretch? No, you know what?

[Joey Kosher]

You know all you gotta just look at the statute.

[Keith Yandle]

Three hits, 23 giveaways. Like, I don't know if I'm back,

[Joey Kosher]

but if I'm back, I'm changing this culture. These guys, they don't care.

[Keith Yandle]

Losing is not important enough to them. It doesn't bother them. Like, how can you go and play like that?

[Joey Kosher]

Should have done this about a month ago.

[Keith Yandle]

But this is why we are where we are.

[Joey Kosher]

This is why we're out of the playoffs. That kind of effort, losing have to hate losing.

[Keith Yandle]

I don't care if it's a meaningless game.

[Joey Kosher]

I don't care. Show up and compete. 3 hits, 23 giveaways.

[Keith Yandle]

What else you want to know?

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

You reached them for so long after you got here. How did it stop? Where did it stop?

[Joey Kosher]

Because it got tough. Because it Got hard like we talked about after the Olympic break, it's going to get harder. So everything's good as long as there's going their way.

[Keith Yandle]

And now it gets tough. We don't want to battle back and that's why. But that's what's happened over the last little week. A couple weeks, that's all that's happened.

[Joey Kosher]

We're going to change that.

[Keith Yandle]

If I'm back, I don't know if I'm back.

[Joey Kosher]

Don and I will talk.

[Keith Yandle]

We'll get to that. But man, oh man, some of those

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

guys are so lucky.

[Joey Kosher]

The season is over and there's no practice tomorrow.

[Keith Yandle]

It anyways, there's no more games.

[Joey Kosher]

What else you want to know? I think even in the long history

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

of this franchise, I don't think they've ever lost six games in a row

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

to end a season at home.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

No. Is that worse?

[Keith Yandle]

It's terrible, inexcusable.

[Joey Kosher]

If they're not embarrassed by.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Not only tonight, by that they're.

[Joey Kosher]

They're on the wrong team.

[Keith Yandle]

They are. They got to be embarrassed with that. Anything else? Yeah.

[Joey Kosher]

Like a guy that wants to be back. Do you want to be back?

[Keith Yandle]

Did you scratch the itch? Where are you? We scratch the it itch. I'm gonna talk to Don, as we

[Joey Kosher]

said from there one.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Right.

[Keith Yandle]

But I'm just. And their players were told tonight if

[Joey Kosher]

I'm back, we're changing this freaking culture.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I mean, tell us how you really feel, Rick.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

That gives me anxiety. Just.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Hey, boys. Training camp next year, boys. Now this, this broke. And as you just heard, he says, I don't know if I'm back. I don't know if I'll be back.

[Keith Yandle]

16 times he said that he's back.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

He's back because today Elliot Friedman, Fridge Baum announced that he has signed a one year deal. And with that comes a culture change now biz. I'm going to throw it to you first. Give me your reaction and what you thought as you listened to that. I don't know if it was after the game or the next morning you heard it.

[Keith Yandle]

I thought they were replaying the one he did with Winnipeg.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

So that. I'm glad you brought that up.

[Keith Yandle]

So we've seen this, this type of rant before from Bones and I didn't know him much personally before he joined the desk at tnt, but one of the best guys, one of the best guys ever and very, very passionate about hockey. Like even when he was watching games, much like Rick Talkett when mistakes or things were happening that he wasn't happy with.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

He'd get pissed.

[Keith Yandle]

All of a sudden you see his emotion, get into it, and you're like, okay, wow. Like, that's the. That's the coach and the fiery, the fieriness that you need in order to be a head coach in National Hockey League. You need to show up every day and you need to pour your heart and soul.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

And it's gruden with football. It. The love of the game and playing it the right way.

[Keith Yandle]

Love of the game and. And being in the fire, being in the mix with the boys competing day in, day out. And he. I think he's used the line before. He says not enough of these guys hate losing enough more than they enjoy winning. And that's the. I was. And you know, it kind of made me think, like, I hadn't heard as much as when he said it when we were at tnt, but also him dropping it at the. The press conference. So it's kind of hard, though. So let's take a step back. He took over and it was a complete, real culture change from the beginning because they turned things around. They started winning 10 one, I think,

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

in the first 11.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah. They had this incredible push. All their defensive analytics and numbers completely flipped upside down. They weren't protecting the house well enough. Guys were getting way too easy to the goaltender in the crease area where that change, obviously. Obviously they got the mojo. I think he got a career ear out of Charlie Coyle. You saw what Zach weren't. He was doing. Well, he's kind of doing it already, but especially even more amplified when Bones took over. So I guess I. I guess I was shocked considering they traded for Marchmont and then also Garland later on, like closer at. At the deadline, to see them fizzle out the way they did. I believe they were 2, 8 and 1 in their last 11 games.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

If they go 500, their last 11, or maybe even 5 and 6, I think they're in.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah, right.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

It wasn't like they had to go on another 10 and one run. No.

[Keith Yandle]

And what you saw before those last 11 games, you were like, oh, my God. I think that, like, maybe from the outside looking in, like, I. I was like, I'd like to see Philly and their, like, you know, their numbers from a. From a TV perspective rather than Columbus. But if it is Columbus, well deserved. Happy for Bones. Happy for that organization and fan base. And then to see them just fizzle out the way they did, I. I was honestly kind of shocked. And I think the one thing I took away from the press conference too, is that when he's, he's basically like, maybe I should have done this sooner. Maybe he should have dropped the ace of spades sooner and called the locker room and all the boys out to try to light a spark on him. So you, like you mentioned. So they maybe could have went 5 and 6 and then snuck in a playoff. So in one breath I'm like, oh man, they work so hard to put themselves in that position and worked hard for them to do that. But then like to let, to let it happen and drop the ball like that. I can understand his frustration, but I wasn't in that locker room. I didn't see the way that they dropped the ball and, and fumble it. So yeah, I'll throw it over to you. Like, what did you make of everything that. What Bones said?

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Yeah. And like I said earlier, I love Bones. I think he's a great guy. I think he's a great coach, great analyst. When he does tnt. I think that's one of those conversations when a coach and a team has something going on that needs to stay in the locker room. That's not something you bring to the press. That's not something you're using for clicks. And it's the last game of the year. We used to call those game the PA games, the no hitters. You're going out there, both teams are out of the playoffs. He's complaining that there's only three hits.

[Keith Yandle]

21.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

I get it, the 21 giveaway, that that's tough to watch. But I think that's a conversation that a coach should be having with his players in the locker room or in their year end meetings. The season's over. Why do it in front of the media where guys like us, now we're going to be talking about it. You're putting yourself at, in a vulnerable spot as a coach. But it did get him an extension.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

So I, I wonder if it did get him the extension. Now I'm not trying to play middleman here, but let me give both sides the former player side. I was like, that's fucking bullshit. That's. And I was imagining the locker room and guys having beers after, you know, last game of the year. Everyone's getting together like him and saying, and you brought up Winnipeg and he's done it before in Winnipeg. And it's like this guy, man, they

[Keith Yandle]

didn't fight to get them back for him to get them back in it. Like, well, sorry, they, they fought for themselves, but it's not like they didn't Put their best effort forward for what, 90 to 95 of the time he took over, Right?

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Yeah, that's. That's what I think. I think part of it was that. And I think later on he said. Or was it guys who said, like, we don't necessarily think we. We don't hate to lose. We just gotta, like, learn how to win these games. And there's a big difference. Right. But the. Like, to go out and say that, that is straight up calling out the character. And now if he went out, and I don't know if at the beginning, did he say, this team doesn't hate to lose enough, or did he say some players, Guys in here? Because if you're saying this team, it's like, fuck you. But if you're saying, hey, it's some guys in there, that actually switches it up. Where the guys who are ultra competitive, hate to lose and are doing what needs to be done to get in the playoffs, they are probably agreeing with him. If he's saying some guys, then it's like, yeah, there are some guys in here that just don't get it. He said, these guys. These guys don't. Okay, so that's all right.

[Ryan Whitney]

Kind of everyone.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

That's everyone. And there's a guy, you know, I'm. I'm sitting there thinking of, like, Zach Orensky, like, buddy off. Like. Like, at least personally, Zach.

[Keith Yandle]

He did say something back.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

He did, he did. But now I'll say this, too. Columbus Blue Jacket player, thoughts on Rick Bonus from the past few days. Damon Severson. He's the best coach I've personally ever had. Matthew Olivier. I just love the pass and passion and energy that he brings every day, the communication with everyone.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

So what were they saying in the steam room?

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

They were. They were probably like, like, I want to fight this guy. And I get that. Now here's the other side of it. Playing middleman. I think the fans probably love that. The fans. The fans are like, they're with them. Like, this is like, every single year, it's the same thing. Every single year we have promise, and then we don't start well, and then we go on a little bit of a run late, and maybe we get in. You know, we've won around once. Usually we don't get in. And it's just the same thing over and over and over. And this guy is finally now calling out people publicly in terms of, like, they don't want it enough.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

It 100% needed to be said. But my only thing is, you say that to the Team. You don't need to say it in the media, but 100% agree with you that it, it probably needed to be said.

[Keith Yandle]

And I do wonder that's what the he, he even said at the end of his rant. He's like, I probably should have said this sooner. So that was him not saying it in the locker room to the guys when he should have probably like of those last 11 games, maybe game five or six, and then all of a sudden like this, you know, the, the, the teapot. And then boom, you see a game where there, Nobody's hitting, there's 21 turnovers and then pop goes the weasel. And it, I think it was just overall bad timing. I agree with you guys. If you're the guys in the locker room, you're like, what the fuck? But he's going to be their coach next year and they better fucking bring it in training camp and be ready right from the front puck drop. Because to be fair, before he got there, they put themselves in that situation as to why their last coach had to be fired and why they had to go on a magical run to even put themselves in the conversation is

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

his year end meeting with Warrensky. Who else did they have?

[Keith Yandle]

He'll apologize, he's gonna say, hey, I

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

wasn't talking about you. Wasn't talking about you.

[Keith Yandle]

Every guy that mas.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

And if you, if you just heard, if you just heard the audio clip we played, you can also watch it. The other aspect is like it's, it's right after the game, apparently he was smashing a stick in the hallway before it. Like there was noise of somebody smashing a stick. I imagine it was him. He was, he was crying. He was legitimately, he was holding back tears. So part of it, if you ask him now, he could be like, yeah, I might regret.

[Keith Yandle]

Where's his heart?

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I might a little bit. I was so emotional. And, and that's, that's kind of the difference is like this guy cares so much and he's looking at it like this is the last game of the year. Like in front of our a sold out crowd and fans who care that are paying big money and the players like we kind of battled. We, we came up short and then this game didn't mean anything. So there's a huge disconnect there. And I think part of it is he's like, there can't be, like, it shouldn't matter that you're out of the playoffs like that. Like you need to play every single game like it's your last. It's a cliche, but like a lot of these teams in the playoffs, like, that's how they go about doing it. So it was just.

[Keith Yandle]

It.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I mean, it was electric, I'll say that. I didn't think. I didn't think he was going to be back. I didn't because I was like, God, like, how do you come back after this? Now, granted, you'd still have exit meetings and a lot, but it would just be like, it's going to be some awkwardness there. I mean, the way you say I'm changing this fucking culture. Like, it's going to be a different training camp next year. I didn't think he'd be back. But then at the same time, it's like, is that just letting the players off the hook if they don't bring them back? So they made up their mind that it's another year of bones. And at this point, you got to expect next year in camp. It's just going to be a. It's going to be a different vibe. No more Mr. Nice Bones running around.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

And I think for him too, is he's putting himself out there saying he's going to change the culture. So next year is on him.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Yeah, pressure's on him.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

It gets on him. And I, I respect him for doing that and taking onus on. Something's got to change. I'm going to be the one who does it. And if they don't, it's going to be on him. If they do, he's going to be a fucking legend there.

[Keith Yandle]

I. Yeah, I do. I think that when you got your, your head coach who just came out of retirement, the guy was like. He had a boat subscription down in Florida.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Boat club.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah. You know, he's chilling and all of a sudden he comes out of retirement to help turn and he's showing more emotion after you're. After missing out of playoffs than majority of the team. I think that, that, that is kind of. It's kind of a bad look on the guy. So hopefully the ones who weren't bringing it take a look in the mirror and realize you're in the National Hockey League and you're getting paid to play hockey, and hopefully they kind of bring that effort that he wasn't seeing. But I didn't, I'll be honest, I didn't watch them closely enough over the last 11 games to know like, which guy to point the finger. But, you know, I, I would imagine like Warinsky, man, he had a huge year, wasn't putting up the numbers towards the end But I mean, how much,

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

how much he ran out of gas,

[Keith Yandle]

how much that team for?

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Yeah, that's why I think he deserves the Norris, because you see, when he wasn't producing, getting everything the team went to, like, he straight up carried his team better than anybody else in the league.

[Keith Yandle]

And that's why when it's like these guys and he's probably getting that quote or hearing or seeing that video, he's like, I just emptied the tank for this organization another year and, and try to help carry this team in the playoffs and, and I'm getting grouped in with this. I don't think that's fair. So. Interesting times in Columbus, but very excited. The fact that they have bones back and what they can do with it moving forward and, and going back to what we said, like we're, we're kind of playing both sides of it. But I would assume that after he was done his rant, there were some regrets in the way that he, he handled it. But you can't fault the guy for showing that type of emotion because he cares. And once again, that's a guy who came out of retirement showing that emotion. Who's, how old is he now?

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

71.

[Keith Yandle]

71 years old. He's about to have a jammer in

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

the hallway crying like, like, you know, I mean, the guy was on the verge of tears.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

And, and it was after the game that didn't mean anything.

[Keith Yandle]

And I bet you as far as what he brings to the table, he's probably the lowest paid coach the National Hockey League. And obviously that makes a lot of sense for Columbus as well, where you're going to get a guy pouring his heart and soul. I bet you I would be shocked if he's making more than 2 million bucks. And the going rate for a good coach nowadays in the National Hockey League is, is probably four to four and a half million average. I mean, what do you, what do you think? What do you think DeBoer got. I heard he made north of 5.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Yeah, I mean. Oh, I would, I would think. Look, it's like the talk deal now. I think you're, you know, he's five times.

[Keith Yandle]

He was five times five.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Yeah. So five and a quarter. I think, I think four, four to six million is, is the going rate.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Do you think if, if it was any other coach that we didn't like and respect as much as we do with Bones that we would have a completely different tune on this?

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I think him being around as long as he has is, is added to the fact that you Got a lot of respect for him. I also think him being around this long though, is like the game has changed a lot. We've talked about it over and over and over about like these young guys, some of these kids, like, they can't handle the heat. Like, I'm not trying to say, I'm not trying to be like Boomer wit here, but like it doesn't work the way it worked on us. And, and guys, they signed these huge tickets after playing a year and a half. Some of these college guys, you, you, you have a good entry level deal. You sign an 8, 7 year deal, 8 million a year, and you're just in way more control than we were. And I think Bones most of his career in coaching, whether it was as an assistant, when you can be nice and friendly, or a head coach. He was coaching in the 90s, dude. He was. So it's like he might not really like grasp yet. Like it, it doesn't really work.

[Keith Yandle]

Well, I mean, breaking news here. So Pasha just posted this in the so Aaron Ports. Ports line. If bonus regrets his comments. So this is from bonus.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Okay. He says no pause. Did I push the bar a little bit? Yeah. And I know that, but that's me. I've got to live with myself. I'm not going to walk out here and say, oh God, I shouldn't have done that. I shouldn't have done this. Did I push it? Yeah, I pushed the envelope a little bit. But that's who I am, man. I am not going to come in here's. That's the Gruden. I'm not going to come in here in B.S. you people. Right. I can tell you what I see and what I don't like. And was that a little over the top? Probably. I'll be the first to admit.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

So. So he did.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

So no, I don't regret it. It was over the top. Yeah. Rubbing your muddy boots on your couch.

[Keith Yandle]

So another thing too though is, is he had a similar rant in Winnipeg like we talked about. And when we had Winnipeg in the St. Louis series on the broadcast, Bones was in the chair and their captain, Mallory, he almost cried. I know when Bones was asking him a question. So regardless of how animated and how passionate he gets, it seems like his former players still love him regardless of his rant.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

So.

[Keith Yandle]

Or at least the ones that matter. The guys like Adam Lowry, the guys like the Warrensky. So I, I'd be interested to be. I would love to be a fly on the wall in the room with Rensky and Bonus in the exit meeting, like, I'm sure that they'll probably have a conversation about the guys he was actually talking about. And I feel like the hockey way is, is like the reason he grouped in everybody is you try not to single guys out. Right. It's a team, team mentality. And, and that's the way it is.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

But you can single guys out behind closed doors. That's my whole thing. Like, talk to these guys, tell them, hey, you don't fucking have it, you're not a playoff player, you don't want it, you don't need to do it in the media.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah, no, I'm, I'm saying more the reason that when he was given the rant that he said these guys is he didn't want a single guys out via media, where I'm sure he's not going to have a problem talking to Waddell and saying this guy Joe Pack and he's a fucking.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

We'll know when who they trade.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I think you sit with Rensky. I think Waddell and Bones sits with Orinsky. And I know some people hate the fact when you bring players in to make decisions and you say, zach, who are guys that we cannot win with? And, and, and listen, some players may not want to be a part of that, but I'm guessing Warrensky's career, where he's at, like, he's probably sick and tired of this too. Not probably.

[Keith Yandle]

Just when I think they got one more year to figure it out. And if not, Warrensky's going over to Detroit.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Yeah. So that's even more, that's even more of a reason for them to bring him in and say, like, Zach, like, who are guys that we're not getting it done with here?

[Keith Yandle]

Well, here's a problem.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

He's like, me, I want out.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I can't do it here, guys.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Here, see you.

[Keith Yandle]

Here's the problem, boys, is there's no free agents. I believe Charlie Coyle is up for contract. He just had a career year. You know, a lot of teams are going to be throwing the bag at him. I bet you. Charlie, I wouldn't be shocked if Charlie Coyle's making 8,9 million bucks next year.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

But he's a guy.

[Keith Yandle]

You say no, buddy, but there's a lot of teams with a lot of money that there's a lot of pressure on. If you're Detroit, you're telling me you're not offering them fucking 8 or 9 million dollars on a fucking 2 or 3 year deal?

[Ryan Whitney]

LA is going to need a center

[Keith Yandle]

like what do you mean, man, there's so many teams that have a lot of money and there's no free agents.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Coyle's a guy that he is not talking about. And no, Coyle probably loved that. Bones said that.

[Ryan Whitney]

Absolutely.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I'm going to, I'm going to say here that he's not talking about Orinsky. I can't think he's talking about Marchenko.

[Keith Yandle]

I know.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I mean, based on how he scores. Fantilli, that's, that's another guy. All right, Those three say like, hey, build with those three coil.

[Keith Yandle]

I love what Coyle put up this year for numbers.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

20 goals, 38 assists.

[Keith Yandle]

Buddy, I'm telling you, I bet you he get. I bet you he's minimum looking at a short term deal at 8 million bucks.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Oh, yeah, Love that.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I, I would, I would love that. I love Charlie Coyle as a guy, as a player. I just, I feel like eight. I mean, I don't know.

[Keith Yandle]

Give me a list of free agent centermen and I bet you he's top three.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

God, I look, I look at the lineup like, Marchman's not that type of guy.

[Keith Yandle]

Marchmont's a free agent too. He's gonna get the bag. Dubas was tampering last podcast.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I know, biggest mistake he's ever made. He said, yeah, it's. It's gonna be an interesting off season.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Overall's, another guy played with him. He fucking hates to lose.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Olivier, I mean, how much you love olivier and team. 15 goals. It's. It's just, it's just, it's just a shitty situation for that fan base. I love that fan base. Great rank, great people. And they just want a winner.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Yeah.

[Keith Yandle]

So they're gonna have Cannon playing third line center next year.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Todd McClellan, who probably was like, I wanted to do that after the last game, but couldn't.

[Keith Yandle]

But they just plays.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I mean, Detroit finishes it AI over Detroit gets thumped 81 by Florida in the last game of the year. And he wasn't happy. It wasn't like that. It wasn't like Rick bonus. But it was still just utter disgust. We went over Detroit, but that's why we got Joey Kosher for you this. This week, fans. Next thing in the news, OVI boys. I don't, I don't think OVI wants to retire. I don't. I. Apparently I saw a tweet where it said like, what, what do you want? Or something that he's like, two year deal. It was a joke. Apparently the reporter like then tweeted out he was kidding around, but he also said, like, I basically, I have no idea what I want to do. So. I know we talked about his career and everything last episode, but there are still questions remain, and I. I think that they're going to need answers pretty soon. Like, at what point does the GM say, what point is Chris Patrick like, oh, yeah, I got a nobody.

[Keith Yandle]

So Cap fans are going to hate to hear this, but what about an ultimate heel turn and him signing with somebody else?

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Pittsburgh. So I don't think it's as crazy, like, if ovi's like, I'm not. Remember I said last episode, I could see Washington being like, all right. Like, this is saying, I want to come. The owner would never allow. The owner would never allow.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Bonus is like, this guy's put so many asses in chairs for 20 years. Like, you can't. I think if he wants to come back and play goalie next year.

[Ryan Whitney]

He said it, too, though.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

They asked him if you would sign with another.

[Ryan Whitney]

No, he said, probably not.

[Keith Yandle]

Like, damn it.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Biz had that already in the bag.

[Keith Yandle]

Damn.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

He was on Crosby's wing next year.

[Keith Yandle]

I thought. I thought him and Matthews would be linking up.

[Ryan Whitney]

Probably not. It's not definitely. You never know. He said, probably not.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

You never know. You can't. You could never.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

You.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Yeah, it's just like I said, like, they're probably like, all right, I think it's time.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

But right now, if he.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

You.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

I mean, he's obviously not chasing the money right now. Like, if he saw. If he says, yeah, I'll come back for 4 million bucks. Like, they're. Yeah, sure, if you want to.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I saw.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

I think it was Oshi who said he was like, yeah, I don't know what he's gonna do if he wants to come back after Christmas. Could you imagine he does something like

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

that and that and just straight juice just comes first half of the year. He comes back £400. He's. You forget

[Keith Yandle]

wrestling the first year back.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Like, the Brazilian Ronaldo. He's like.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

He looks like after a fight

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

or. Yeah. Or it's the opposite. He comes back, he's not gray anymore. He's just like. It's like, holy Obi's 22 again. He scores 60, but we need one more year.

[Keith Yandle]

I was.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Four years.

[Keith Yandle]

I was hot. And the thing, too, is I said that, like, I could see him not wanting that final tour like, Jeter got, but deserves it, but I was hot and cold whether he was going to retire or not. But by the end and just kind of seeing how emotionless he was about it where there weren't a lot of tears. He was very even keel. I, I was, I leaned toward. I think this guy's for sure coming back.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

And I think if the, the admin guy didn't put out that it was always last year, would we even be having this conversation? He got 30 goals.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I, I know it is weird how it just kind of started all of a sudden, like nothing was said. His quote was, to be honest with you, I'm pretty sure it's not my last game. Oh, yeah, I hope it's not my last game against Columbus. He said this Thursday. How I said, I have a. How I said, I have to make a decision to see where we're at. Team, family, obviously family going to support me. He said his kids have been asking him if he's staying. And I think it's. If the kids are like, dad, no, no, that's what gets him to play another year.

[Keith Yandle]

I would, I would actually pay for a subscription to see what he like, consumes like food and alcohol wise in his office.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Well, crosby was on McAfee today and he, he said like, I wish I could have obi's diet.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Like, I don't think OBI really care. Like, OVI probably shouldn't have OBI diet, but you don't care. But Sid's like, yeah, I wish I could have like, like a Dr. Pepper and a Subway sub and a giant chocolate chip.

[Keith Yandle]

I said it, last part. I think that when you play as long as he did and you've done what you've done for the game like he did, you should be able to use steroids.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Yes.

[Ryan Whitney]

No.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love that. That was a great take. 100% like, or something. If you, like, once you score 500, you're allowed to get on the needle. Like not the OIC needle, just like the straight steroid needle. It's like, okay,

[Keith Yandle]

yeah, he combines a nice little concoction. Yeah, Dr. Kevorkian.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

But we'll see, we'll see. Before we get into the east playoff preview. Matthews very non committal about his future with the least. This was today during the exit meetings. He said, I mean, I can't predict the future. Obviously there's steps that's going to have to take place. They got to hire new leadership at management, stuff like that. I don't really know. There's always noise and there's always chatter. I think personally, I really don't pay attention to all that. I just focus on myself, focus on this team and I Try to be a part of the solution that. That end part's good. Now the part that isn't great, I think every Leaf fan would agree, was the article that came out this week, Myrtle Bonus. Basically just complete, complete dysfunction. Team dysfunction. Keith Pelly's always around lately and he comes in around the deadline and he's presenting options to make trades using AI now.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

That's why they hired me.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I think that was. I think that was like denied possibly by him. I'm not sure.

[Keith Yandle]

I don't know if you guys saw Jeff o' Neill's tweet where he's like, I don't know if bringing an R2D2 to. To make trades is the way to go. I know. Exactly.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Did you read the article?

[Keith Yandle]

I did.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Okay.

[Keith Yandle]

That was one of the first articles I've ever read.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Besides the script of There Will Be Blood.

[Keith Yandle]

It took. Yeah, exactly. It took me. It took me about 14 hours to get through.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

But tweet.

[Keith Yandle]

But what it was is there was a full outline of the season of just kind of how we've now gotten to this situation. Right. And. And well, hey, boy, I'm. I'm.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I'm.

[Keith Yandle]

I'm in the. I'm in the dumpster fire right now with them. It's ugly. I mean, just from like budget cuts to hearing about them trying to charge. Charge a thousand bucks for like kids to wave the flag pre game. And obviously you were forced to buy tickets. Like, okay, you need, you need 41 extra thousand dollars if you're MLSC. Like, give me a break.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Or like making the. They used to get 50 off merch and now it's 30. Yeah.

[Keith Yandle]

Like, what are we back going on? The food and merchandise they get from real sports right next door. It's just like weird for, for the richest organization.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I think it's straight up, like, like when private equity, like buys stuff, they're

[Keith Yandle]

just like too corporate. Yeah.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

It's like, what do we do? Like, this is a hockey team. You need hockey people. You, you need to, you need to build a family and a culture. And all of a sudden it's like, they're nickel. They're the richest team in hockey and they're nickel and diamond. Not just the players, but fans like spending money to get tickets and then, no, give us another thousand dollars so your kid can wave a two dollar flag at center ice and we get out shot by 30. Like, what the.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

And you don't get to keep the flag.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

What?

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

And you don't get to keep it.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Oh, yeah. No.

[Keith Yandle]

And Then it's another about the other package. If you paid 5,000, they'd let you run the power play that night. That's what. That's your cost. Savarta's job.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

They give you a Maple Leafs jersey made out of tin cans.

[Keith Yandle]

You got a 10 year old with a dry erase board between a TV. Time out. Like, who the is this guy? Oh, he paid the 5K.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Yeah.

[Keith Yandle]

I think he's got the milkers on the glass.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Like, if your team, especially if your team's not doing well, not making the playoffs, you can't, you can't be taking it out on the fans. You can maybe have some budget cuts in for the players, like not shipping in water from Italy and stuff like that, like, but do it to the fans is brutal.

[Keith Yandle]

Well, okay. So there was another thing too, that I don't know how much this just correlates to the leaf stall. And this is going. I think I heard this about a year ago where they had this like VIP club where they were charging like whatever, like 2, 000 or 5,000 for like a. A yearly pass. And like barely anybody bought it. And then they. One of the people was like, well, we should charge like more of a premium. So they raised it to 100 grand and then it sold out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ryan Whitney]

Genius.

[Keith Yandle]

Hey, Pelly. Hell of a job, buddy. Hell of a job.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Great job. You're gonna have a dad's trip again next year.

[Keith Yandle]

He's got the whole rainbow color for those glasses. He shows up to the press conferences and my God, just out of touch. Very corporate. You, You. I mean, there's no questions as to why it's the fucking Yacht club and you don't have that passionate fan base in the lower bowl. So it's very sad to see where it's gotten.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

And I wonder if it, like, if it's only going to get worse because they don't even own 100% yet. Right. Won't they at one point own everything, MLSE?

[Keith Yandle]

But you're asking the wrong guy. I'm still having a hard time digesting that article and taking it all in.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Because if this is where they're going now, it's not like it's going to go. It's not like it's going to go back to what it was.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

So if Austin Matthews this year is like, I don't want to be here anymore, or I've already start the year and we're. And if it could be Quinn Hughes, it could be exactly what happened. I think he said hey, if we're. If we're a good team for competing. Yeah. And then all of a sudden he's like, we stink. I'm out. I don't think he's there at the end of next year, I'll say that.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

I agree.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah. So I've already mentally prepared myself for the fact that he's gone and it's going to be a full rebuild. Rebuild. Nylander did say that he wants to be a Toronto Maple Leaf and he wants to stick around for a retool, but not a rebuild. But if Matthews is. Is like, he's obviously going to see who they end up hiring. Kind of a weird thing. They, like, they've now. Pelly is now like, hired basically a consultant to, like, go through all the resumes.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

They're charging for interviews.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

You got to pay to do an interview.

[Keith Yandle]

Oh, my God. So that. That's interesting, too. And then o' Neill brought this up too. And Pelly's got a difficult job in the fact that he's hired where he oversees six different organizations. Like, you can go through it, like Toronto fc, the Raptors, and like so on and so forth. So I feel like you're being spread very thin and you're like, if. If that's the way they're going to handle things. I kind of like, I. I guess I like you. You had expected the fact that a guy's gonna walk in asking chat GPT to make trades for the team, whereas you should hire someone specifically to. To consult and look over the Toronto Maple Leafs. Like, that's a big enough entity. And what a 4 to 5 billion dollar brand that shouldn't be being spread thin with 5 other things to worry about, including the Toronto Raptors, which is another 5 to 10 billion dollar asset. I would say closer to 10. So little weird. And a guy who's obviously so at a touch where he didn't see the Montreal Canadiens. No.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

No. Didn't even know they had a team.

[Keith Yandle]

Like, those comments right there were like, oh, God. And apparently, apparently he was given the heads up, like, hey, like, you shouldn't be going up there by yourself. And he was like, no, no, no, I got it.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Yeah, private equity guy. I got this.

[Keith Yandle]

And then that happened. And then it's probably obvious as well to why he's now hired a consultant to help go through who. Who were they going to actually interview, which name should actually be in. In. In the ring to. To get the job. But it's a dumpster fire and it's. If it ends up getting Stripped to the ground. You know why.

[Ryan Whitney]

So what would you want to see Austin traded for? I know we were throwing some things out before the show.

[Keith Yandle]

So the, I mean the biggest issue right now is they don't have a, like a, a top puck moving defenseman. And you know, I, I, they tried to obviously find that in Sandin. That didn't work out. I don't necessarily think that they're drafting and developing was top tier. After they got the Marner Nylander Matthews situation figured out, we talked about like it's, he's probably going to have a very short list of places he wants to go. LA is one of those teams that always comes up while if we're talking about addressing needs. Well, I mean Quentin by field would be a nice thing coming back. You have a young center who, you know, hasn't reached his peak yet. I think he struggled a little bit, at least in the first half of this year. Has picked it up. It's hard, man. Kopitar is not the same Kopitar. So all of a sudden it's like, oh, it's By Field's team where it's like, ah, you can't just like say that. And it's a switch and it works. Brandt Clark would be a guy that I would like to see in that package along with maybe some, some you know, high, high draft picks or maybe another top prospect. And I don't know like, I think that like right now it would be fair to say like I love Morgan Riley. He's a culture guy. I would say that's probably the, the only bad contract that the Toronto Maple Leafs have. So maybe they would look to help him out as a, as an older veteran. Like, hey, let's help him go win closer to now if we're stripping it down to the ground. But I also don't think it's fair for a guy who's done as much as he's done for the organization and he's actually been pretty good when they have been in playoffs and had their quote unquote.

[Ryan Whitney]

He's a West coast guy though too.

[Keith Yandle]

He's a Vancouver guy. Maybe he would want to go, I don't know. Maybe he's like you. I have a no move clause and I want to stay here and be part of the solution. This is just me throwing out what would be good for the Toronto Maple Leafs because I want to say that Morgan Riley has about four year lefts.

[Joey Kosher]

Yeah.

[Keith Yandle]

At seven and a half to eight million.

[Ryan Whitney]

One guy. You don't want to trade though. I don't know if you guys saw the comments.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Matthew Knight. It's like, matthew, I'm so done talking about the Leafs right now, though, honest to God.

[Keith Yandle]

Okay. So we can move on.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Yeah, no, no, like, I'm trying to be rude. I'm so done talking.

[Keith Yandle]

Okay, sure. Yeah.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I want to go to previews. I want to go to preview.

[Keith Yandle]

All right, let's go.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Yeah.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I love it. I love it.

[Keith Yandle]

Cut out everything. We just talked.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

No, no, no. I think I was. It was perfect. And then he brought up knives. I'm like, I'm done. Time to talk about.

[Keith Yandle]

I'm done.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I know you are. I know you are. That's why I knew you'd appreciate it. It's time to talk east coast, East Easter conference playoffs.

[Keith Yandle]

Just such a crazy season down there.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Yeah, yeah, I appreciate. It's just nuts. It's nuts. No Toronto, no Florida, no Devils, no Rangers, no Capitals. So wide open. I don't think anyone saw this bracket coming the way it is. And we're gonna start off with an all time rivalry in the state of Pennsylvania. We got Pittsburgh, Philly. Pittsburgh will have home ice biz. I'll throw it to you on your thoughts, how excited you are for this series and what your major takeaways, what you're looking at.

[Keith Yandle]

Give me a second.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Okay. Okay. Okay. Oh, yeah.

[Keith Yandle]

So you should go to Yan.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Okay. Yan's. Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah, I think this guy has something planned for different series.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

I mean, he came in with a roll bag. I mean, I. We talked about it a little bit last podcast. This is going to be the Sidney Crosby show.

[Keith Yandle]

The.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

The man is just licking his chops waiting for this series. I would imagine 139 points, 60 goals, 79 assists in 93 games against them. And then 15 goals, 21 assists, and 23 postseason games. So the guy just puts up absolute.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Even more in the postseason. Yeah.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

So I think it's. It's going to be the Penguins. I love the way, but the big thing for me with the Penguins is Brazo Manta, Kendall, like these guys who had, like, good years. Playoffs is a different beast. You got to prove it. Like, Manta had a great year. 30 goals. Can he do it in the playoffs? He's built like a playoff player. Built like a guy who can dominate in the playoffs. But can he do it this playoffs? And if he can, if they can get help from their, you know, bottom six, I think they're going to be an issue. Their defense is good. Carlson's obviously playing at an Elite level right now. Ryan Shea was awesome all year. He's a perfect playoff type player too. Right. Like doesn't make mistakes, kind of just

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

does don't notice them.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Exactly. Which is perfect for that type of player. So I love Pittsburgh going to this series. Philly had a great run, great story. Getting in another way, getting in by shoot, you know, one of the last games of the year, like they did

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

last time they did that, they went to the cup final.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Yep.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

It's the New York Rangers.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

So I think this is going to be an unreal series. Obviously Philly's starving for some playoff, some playoff hockey. The building's going to be absolutely rocking. It's going to be a fun series. Can those guys like, who, who on their back end like Sanheim obviously is, is great. Rich, the line is a big, he'll

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

be physical, he'll be hard in the playoffs.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Can they contain Sid?

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I don't know. I don't know. I, I actually think of the four series in the east. To me, this is the easiest one to pick because I think Pittsburgh's gonna win. I think Pittsburgh's gonna win in six games. I think it's going to be entertaining. I think it's going to be awesome hockey. I just, it's just about like what Pittsburgh has and the veterans they have and the Stanley cup champs and playoff hockey. It's, I mean it's been so long for both of these teams. But you started off with Sid.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Yeah.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

And I think back to earlier this year when they did the reunion. I think of the, of the 16 team or this, I don't remember which team. It was the reunion. Yeah, it was the 16 team, the 10 year reunion for that Stanley cup championship team. And he's crying, he's up there, tears coming down his face, looking at the highlights and, and it's been a while for him and now he's back in and the fact he's able to be there again, like I don't see them going out in this round and I think he's going to have another monster series. And I do think the entertainment factor in this series could be better than any other one because it's going to be rough. It's going to be ridiculous. Martone, I mean he has 10 points in nine games.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

So yeah, he's, and he's, he's another guy who's built like a playoff play. They also, the flyers too finished 7:3 and oh. So they've been playing meaningful games. They've been playing must win games. They're Playoff ready right now. They've been playing these games that matter. The thing that scares me about Philly, they're PK, I think, was 22nd in the league and their PP dead last. Yeah, like that. The fact that they're even in the playoffs with those numbers is insane.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Yeah. Nobody saw them in the playoffs before the season. Nobody saw them in the playoffs in January. Very few people saw him in the playoffs fucking five weeks ago.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

So in Skinner, he can.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Skinner can get hot. I'll tell you. I've witnessed that. I mean, he does often get pulled, like, in the first or second round at some point. But I do think that, like, having she lost there, like, if he does struggle, they have another goalie now. Vladar Vadar's got better numbers than both those go. Those guys. Can he. Has he ever even played a playoff game, though? I don't think so. Where did Biz go? How did that take you so long to change? He was in my minutes. 15 minutes. And he put on a Darth Vader mask, which.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Oh, Darth Vladar.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Is this Darth fluffing? Oh, my God. Darth Vladar.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Sid, I am your father.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

He just takes off this, and it's a. It's a talk mask. Hey, face. Two on one, horrible back check. Want to fight in the hallway of the Ritz again, Steamer first.

[Keith Yandle]

I have gone to the dark side.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

You're going with Philly. Wow. Explain to me why Philly's going to win.

[Keith Yandle]

Darth the Meech God. All hail the Meech God. He will have the series of his life

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

pandering this guy for 82 games.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

You come in.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

You don't want some Flyers fan to stab you if you have to be there.

[Keith Yandle]

Tony Escargot. It's time to unite all you flyer scumbags. Jazz, fly, Eagles fly. All of the Philly dirt bags. I am now your father.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

So you're flyered up.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

All right?

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

You're flyered up because that's really the

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

only place that they have them. If you look at their roster as a Zen goal.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

No, we don't. We don't have a Meech cop. We don't have a Meech cob.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

True. Very true.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

So give me your stat like. All right. How many games?

[Keith Yandle]

Seven games.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

How many points does Meechkov have?

[Keith Yandle]

77.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

And he shuts down. Sid. That's not Darth Vader. That's not Darth Vader.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

No, no, no. That's not Darth Vader. That's not Darth Vader. And you think version and you think, and you think Sid is what, maybe like a goal and one second assist.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Yeah.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

In the seven games, if he gets

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

the Meech Cob matchup, I'll have the stormtroopers all over.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I mean, I just don't maybe if connect me. Although I will say there was people like pissed off talk. It's like we're gonna, we're gonna take runs or we're gonna go after Sid. And Malkin talked, putting himself in the lineup and people are like, oh my God. It's like, what else are you going to do? Yeah, you're literally. You're not going to go after Sid and Gino.

[Keith Yandle]

Well, Sanheim's a wet blanket, so I don't know if those guys are going to be able to cross the blue line between him and Sealer and all those mutants on the back.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Geno have seen this script for 21 years. They get everyone's best every playoffs and they've got three cups to show for Darth.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Yup.

[Keith Yandle]

Sounds like it's going to their head.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

But they've never played. They've never played Darth Vadar. They've never played Darth Vadar.

[Keith Yandle]

They've never seen the dark side.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

All right, well, there it is.

[Keith Yandle]

Oh, you know what? You know what's gonna them is there's going to be no fans in the building at home because they still haven't figured out the parking situation at PPG Arena.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

The play PPG arena which I know has been called out for crowd size and atmosphere this year. These people are just as starving as Flyers fans. I mean everyone's saying that you, you were saying Crosby wasn't even be on the team at the end of this year. Not only is he there, he's in the playoffs.

[Keith Yandle]

His heart's.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

The place is going to be rocking. His heart's literally said we interview ripped his heart out of his ball. I have gone to the dark side their fanbase.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

I played them twice in playoffs. That's a tough, tough building to play.

[Keith Yandle]

You know what the worst part is?

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Crowd work with the Jumbotron. Outstanding. They do an unreal job.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Don't.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

No one even wants to hear from you right now.

[Keith Yandle]

You know what the hardest part of Damascus?

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

What?

[Keith Yandle]

I can't get pockets balls in my mouth.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

You're smelling.

[Keith Yandle]

Dan Muse. As good as it's been, he will be out coached by Rick Talkett and Todd Reardon. Do not give Todd Reardon the board and the sharpie, please. He will draw a big set of jammers and the game.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Well, hopefully they can draw up a power play that works because they're dead last in the league.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

And their PK is not great either. You missed that business.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

You were putting them out in the league.

[Keith Yandle]

I'll fix the power play for you.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Where's your lightsaber?

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

All right, so I got Pitt in six, Yan's Pit in five, and Biz has Philly in seven. We'll have to get Ari's picks when we get to Ari's World later this episode. That brings us. Oh, also, I should mention here, happy for Sean Couturier. He's kind of. He's kind of like the fan. The fans like the love towards Meech. God, like the kind of. The hate went towards him really well. Remember the one press conference he did. Wasn't there some sort of press conference this year where he mentioned something about him playing the right way or. I don't remember exactly.

[Keith Yandle]

Princess Leia is what happened.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Yeah, that's. You're right. You're right, you're right.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

He's a wet blanket too. He's going to be a problem. He. He's unreal. The guy too, like we talked about with bonus guy that hates to lose, Sean Cottoria. That guy does everything right. Shows up early, leaves late. He is an consummate pro.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

When we went to the cup final in Pittsburgh, we played Philly in the second round. And I will say that arena, the Orange, the crowd is a top notch playoff atmosphere. Like, they're ruthless, they're vicious. The place is a. I. I loved playing in that rink. That was. Maybe it's because Crosby would get two and a half points per game on average, so I'd always get one. And I mean, I had, I think, one of my most beautiful assists in that building. Like, am I making this about me? Yeah. Am I on a billboard in Buffalo or two? Yeah. But still, I love the atmosphere. I'm happy for Flyers fans. I know I've gone at them. I think a lot of them are a little misled in thinking like Mechkov got them into the playoffs. It was actually our boy over here, Darth Vadar, but Mechkov was way better down the stretch. They got. They got him over the right wing. Let's see if he can get 27 points at seven games, that biz.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Either way, it's a great stepping stone for them because they're. They got young guys, right? They are a young group. They're going to. They're going to be in the playoffs every year for the next 10.

[Keith Yandle]

I think one big thing that's being overlooked is global warming. And iceberg is done. That's the mascot for the penguins. And gritty's causing it. So, yeah, that's a big, big factor.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

What movie was iceberg in with?

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Face Off. Great film, Face Off. It was an incredible peak of his career.

[Keith Yandle]

But with.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

With the temperatures, I think RA was an extra. RA was an extra.

[Keith Yandle]

And I think he's got nowhere to live. All right, what would you rank my. My. Come out there.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Well, for how long it took you

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

just to put on.

[Keith Yandle]

I was waiting for you guys to finish your breakdowns. I didn't want to be a distraction. That was a nice guy of me.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Oh, I thought you were. I thought you were actually spending the whole time trying to. He probably put it on backwards first. He's like, what's wrong with this thing? It doesn't work.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

It was great.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

It doesn't work.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

I can't wait for the next one.

[Keith Yandle]

All right, out of 10, where does it come. Where does it get?

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Nine.

[Keith Yandle]

Thank you.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I'll give you. Yeah, I'll give you an 8. Give me an 8.

[Keith Yandle]

This is as good as it gets, by the way, because we're not doing the West.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

All next series, Montreal, Tampa, Montreal. Unbelievable season. Both these teams. Unreal seasons. Montreal, last year, they weren't ready, right? They got in Washington just kind of. It was. It was men against boys. You remember the hit that Tom Wilson threw. You remember just kind of the overall beatdown they gave them. But this year, Montreal, man, everything improved. Hudson, 70. They finished with 78 points. I believe he had more points than last year. Demodov was incredible. Suzuki, 100 points. Caulfield, 50 goals. Then you go to Tampa. Tampa. I mean, Headman had the worst year of his career. I don't even know if Headman's been announced that he's playing yet in this series. He's out for personal reasons.

[Keith Yandle]

Somebody said groin or like. Like something.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

It's personal reasons. They're saying unless it is an injury. But they've said he's been out for a while. I think he's missed the last 15 games, hasn't he?

[Keith Yandle]

I thought. I thought it was something when in warm up at the Olympics. And then he tweaked something and then didn't play. And then all of a sudden he wasn't playing. Right.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Well, that did happen, but right now it's personal.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Yeah. Okay.

[Keith Yandle]

Interesting. I didn't know that.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Yeah. So hopefully he's back then on Tampa. Kucherov is cooch. Now, my question for you guys. And the question I think in the series is Cooch has not been great. They've been ousted in the first round. I think this would be three in a row. Correct. If they lose this year in the first round, he hasn't been the regular season Kucherov that we've seen and just been like, all right, this guy's top three player in the league. Will he dominate point? Had a big time off year. I know he, he had some stuff going on in his life. He's battled injuries. The whole team's battled injuries, and they've still been able to be this good. I want to know your breakdown. I don't know what you think. And basically Vasilevsky, he's my X factor in this one. Not exactly like anything like newsworthy there. It's, it's the best goal in the world.

[Keith Yandle]

Some people win the Vesna.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

You don't take Sorokin.

[Keith Yandle]

No, no, I think, No, I don't.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Just because they didn't get in playoffs.

[Keith Yandle]

I, I, I think that and like, I think Vasilevsky as it sits, has the best save percentage.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Right.

[Keith Yandle]

It's goaltending. It's clear that Tampa's got the advantage now. The fact the backhand other than Headman's healthy, that's going to be difficult. They obviously have a lot to prove up front. And the fact that you said with they haven't really proved themselves in the first round over the past few years, I just get nervous because I feel like Montreal is hungry. They're young, they have fresh legs, they're fast. They're fast as shit. I thought Juice did a good job of talking about it. Like, what St. Louis has introduced is that small area game in the offensive zone and how they're able to beat a lot of the pressure and, and still generate offense. I know that maybe they are a little bit undersized compared to Tampa Bay, but I think that just the, the skating and the sheer speed of Montreal and the fact that there's going to be a turning of the, the guard. I'm going to pick Montreal. Yeah, I know.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Okay, so I'll say if, if Tampa. I feel like if Tampa loses this year, it's kind of like the window closing is that they lose first round.

[Joey Kosher]

Yeah.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Like if they go on another run, then obviously, yeah. The next year. And obviously, even if they lose in the first round, like, they'll be good again next year. But three in a row, that would be like, oh, for a team that is getting a little older.

[Joey Kosher]

Right.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I mean, every Guy's been through the ringer. They've been to all these cup finals. They've played so many games. If they lose in the first round this year, man, that is a big time disappointment like that could be to me. Like I, I don't really consider them cup contenders going into next year.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Right.

[Keith Yandle]

They're gonna, they're gonna have to get a lot out of the Montreal, out of their mutants like they got. Anderson has to be a piece of hitting everything, putting everyone through the end wall. Slavkovsky has to be a guy physically who's bringing it. Jack Guy is gonna have to draw and I'm sure at some point, no,

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

he's gonna play because Dobson's out.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Dobson's out.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

That's a huge 22 minutes.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Dobson at 48, 47 points, not even getting. He was awesome.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

The PP reps that he was getting in the island.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

But I think even with Dobson, Tampa's D is better. Tampa has like eight or nine defenses. You've seen all year, the guys they've been playing. So I like Tampa's D a lot more with Dobson now that he's out. Have they said if he's out the whole first round?

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

I think he is because something got pushed back.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I thought I read, but yeah, that's, that's.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

I think the home ice that Tampa got is huge. They, they ended up getting home ice on that last game that they played against them. Right. Against Montreal. So they're going to have home ice. That's huge. Remember the comments that Cooch had when they played Montreal in the finals in that Covid bubble year? They won one game. He's like, these fans think that they won the Stanley Cups.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

They weren't even there. I don't even think that because remember Tampa was 4%.

[Keith Yandle]

You had a spread. Spread out, four seats.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Yes.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

He's gonna like two weeks stop the spread.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

He's got that, that crazy Russian in him where he's like, okay, I remember that. I remember my quotes. I got to show up. So I would expect him to have a monster playoffs. But my thing with them in Anderson, if he plays like he did that second to last game against Tampa when he fought like he was an absolute machine. When they were going after Hudson, Perry was causing havoc on Hudson. He needs to play like that every single game this series, it'll. And he'll be an absolute monster goaltending for them. Think of this with two rookie goaltenders, Dobish and Fowler. I think Dobish is going to get the net.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Tovish is Going to start this series for sure.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

So Ken Dryden came as in as a rookie, won the Stanley Cup. Patrick Waugh came in as a rookie, won the Stanley Cup. Is it something in the water there? So be on a lookout for that. If he could get on a heater and if he struggles, they'll go to Fowler, who was amazing this year, solidified himself as an NHL guy. This series is going to be unreal. Like the. The Cole. Cole Hudson, right?

[Keith Yandle]

No, no, Lane Hudson.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Lane Hudson.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

This would be four years in a row Tampa loses in the first round. By the way, they've already had three, so I'm. I was wrong on that. This is Vasilevsky's numbers. The last three first rounds they lost in six games he was 3.56875, 2324. They lost in five games, he was 322 with an 897. And last year they lost in five games, he was three two seven with an eight. 72. That, that's alarming. Like if, if Vasilevsky's given up those numbers, they're done again in the first round.

[Keith Yandle]

I think that his regular season numbers weren't nearly as good as they were this year compared to those years. Right.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Two years ago in 20. No, last year, sorry, in 2425 he was 216 and a 921.

[Keith Yandle]

How many games played?

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

63. So last year he was Vasilevsk. I mean he had great numbers and then he was horrible against. It was the Panthers last year. Right. Remember last year we were thinking that was going to be probably the series of the playoffs and five.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Right.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Florida crushed him. Now Montreal is not going to be able to beat the shit out of them and do what Florida did. But with their speed, there's definitely just a different game plan that Tampa has to. Has to plan for.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Tampa's going to try to bully them, I think had done, which I think so that the Hudson, he needs that. Like he's an elite defenseman in the league right now. Offensive. Unbelievable for him to take that next step in the conversations with the Cale Macar's Quinn Hughes. He needs to be a monster in this playoffs because he's going to be targeted. Like they said about Sid, they're going to target Sid and Gino. He's going to be targeted every single time he's on the ice, whether he has the puck or doesn't. He's going to be getting the cross checks. If he can somehow have an unreal series and they get by Tampa, they are going to Go on a run.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I, I think that watch for Haggle Hudson because Hagel is such a dog and he is like exactly what you want in a playoff player. He can score, he, he'll fight, he's physical, and he will be a rat.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Yeah.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

With Lane Hudson, I think that you'll see him going at him a decent amount.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

They're gonna make his life miserable, I

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

think, I think it's gonna be entertaining. Series. I think Tampa wins in six, maybe seven. But I, I, I just think that I'm looking at like, Kucherov and I'm looking at Jake Gensel and Vasilevsky to be the normal Vasilevsky of, of years ago. And, and it just for, for it to be a little bit too much for Montreal.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

I'm going, I'm going Montreal as well. I'm going Montreal. And six, the Marty St. Louis series. Playing against or coaching against his old team. He's going to be full of piss and vinegar, ready to go. I just think it's Montreal's time. They had a good, good series last year against Washington. Played well, fought hard, but I think this is their time to step up. And I'm on their bandwagon.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Okay.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah, you're on the Montreal bandwagon. Does it have anything to do with your buddy who's a scout there?

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Might, Might have something to do with Kent Hughes, Might have something to do with Jeff Gordon. They might have sent me a package. I don't know.

[Keith Yandle]

What?

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

You never know.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I know I'm getting put on billboards. You're getting nice packages from the Canadians. And if Suzuki, like, ends up doing what he did in the playoffs, what he did in the regular season, like, that's, that's gonna be incredible because, I mean, what he did is unreal. A hundred points. I never thought he'd be a hundred point player. Like, if he goes out and can outplay, you know, Braden Point and he can really put up those same type numbers while being the same defensive player, then they could win. But I'm looking at Kucherov and Vasilevsky and I don't think that the Canadians have anyone like those two guys. And that's my reason for.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

I can't wait for that first game at the Bell Center. Oh, I cannot wait.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Yeah, they better get, they better get one down in Tampa. Yeah, I should have mentioned too that this is DraftKings. Pittsburgh's minus 170, Phillies plus 140 and Tampa's minus 250. Montreal's plus 205. Don't really, I That's one where like I think Tampa's going to win, but I might sprinkle Montreal based on the odds. I think Tampa dog walks really. I got Tampa and then who do you have in Pittsburgh? Philly?

[Ryan Whitney]

I got, I got Pitt in seven but I just, I think t. I love this Tampa team. I, I think you guys are kind of downplaying them a bit. I picked them.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Yeah, I picked them.

[Keith Yandle]

They got a pretty ridiculous middle of the ice with, with Paul as well. I don't know if we mentioned his name. Like he's a playoff dog ever since they picked him up from Ottawa. Why did they trade him him? Ottawa.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Look up his numbers. I don't even. I think his numbers were brutal in Ottawa and he just goes to a good team and just, I mean his

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

numbers were kind of brutal in the regular season. Seven goals, eight assists at 51 games.

[Keith Yandle]

He's not a regular season guy but remember when they picked him up when they were on that run, he had pretty good numbers, didn't he?

[Ryan Whitney]

That trade was for Matthew Joseph in a fourth round pick.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

They swindled them but Joseph was effective for them too. It's like anyone who goes there is going to be you up your game when you play on a team like that.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Yeah, big time down year for Nick Paul. I mean I know he missed a lot of games but that's been. Tampa's storyline is like injuries and them still somehow finishing second in the division. So looking forward to that one next. This one is just the TV execs dream. The ratings of this one will be through the roof. Boston versus Buffalo. Buffalo being minus 175. Boston plus 1.45i this is my hardest series to pick. Yeah, same and I don't I, I surprised that buffalo is minus 175 now. Things I did read before is that Boston was a little smoke and mirrors this year. Like if you look at like their five on five like chances four they're like 28th in the league. Like not great. Swayman covered up a lot of warts. They did get like streaky. They had a very high shooting percentage. I think he has an outfit for this one. I think he's got something for this one. Keith, give me your reactions. What are you thinking here?

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

I think this is going to be. If you're a forward playing in this series, it's going to be absolutely miserable. Look at the D here. You got Byram 61 power 66230 Darlene 63205 Samuelson 64230 Kesseling 6, 5, 2, 15. Shen 6, 2, 2, 25. Stanley 6, 7, 2, 30. You're going to be taking a beating and then you go to the other side. McAvoy, 6, 1, 2, 11. Lindholm 6, 4, 2, 20. Lori 6, 5, 2, 20.

[Ryan Whitney]

Peak 6.

[Keith Yandle]

Protecting our quarterback.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

2, 15. Like, these guys are fucking monsters, right? This is going to be an absolute miserable series for the forwards. But then you go look over at Buffalo, you got guys like Tage Thompson, Alex Tuck, Benson, who's an absolute rat.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Oh, he's, he's gonna be so electric. He's gonna have time.

[Keith Yandle]

They gotta, they got a lot of Josh, guys.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Eric's amazing too.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Garrick's out for the series, boys.

[Keith Yandle]

He's out.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Sucks. Out for the whole series. Out for the whole series. I just read today and that. And he came in and he was fighting, he was scoring. He looked. That was a huge loss. Huge loss. Because that. What is it? It's. What do we got? Castellik with Jano and who's the other fourth line on that? On Boston G. Corrali. Sean Corrali. That's a bunch of big dudes. Where Carrick would have been in the mix there, battling that. But fuck, man, I, I think it's just Buffalo's time. I think Boston if, if, if Pasta. Now, Pasta has had his detractors in the playoffs. I think Bruins fans are always like, Pasta doesn't show up in the playoffs. Pasta could like win this series for him if he's just incredible like it might be. I think. I think Tage Thompson's comparable. I think overall past is a better player. Say Pasta is the best forward in this series. I think for Boston to win, he would have to go light, like lights out. I think Buffalo's winning this series, but I think it's going seven.

[Keith Yandle]

I also have obviously Buffalo winning this series and as big as the meatheads you said on the back end are for Boston like Buffalo as well. Oh, you did crazy. You went through it when I was putting my. My Buffalo goat head jersey.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Buffalo might be bigger, Buff.

[Keith Yandle]

This might be the biggest back end series of all time. Like, each guy's like, the one thing I do like about Buffalo is, is I feel like their back end is more mobile. Like you got Bo Byron who can move up and down the ice, Darlene who can move up and down the ice, that Samuelson can move as well. So they got some guys like power in that shutdown role now. And he's been excelling in that as, as Whit mentioned if you few pods ago about that article that was written. I just think that like we keep want to think oh okay. There's going to be like a. A step back for Buffalo boys since early December. Nine losses. There's a reason. There's a reason. And wits a mush.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Well, what do you think about the. The aspect of like they. They haven't been in playoff hockey

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

607

[Keith Yandle]

so that's the key is, is I think that Boston will have the ability to try to suck them into like the mud and make it physical. A lot of fights and a lot of distractions.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Where Buffalo.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah. There's going to be times where you have to push back and, and you're going to have to answer the bell. But it's about being disciplined, making sure you're taking the power plays and you're not getting sucked into the bullshit too much. That has to be an element to it. I think that the, the back end that mobility will play a factor in how they cycle in the offensive zone. They get those five man cycles and can create a lot of problems defensively for Boston because they are the slower team. The one key though also for Buffalo, Boston all season long with sturm system through the neutral zone is they force you to dump it. They force you to play that boring game and sometimes Buffalo, they want to play that run and gun snap it around. Oh, look at us. Free zone entries. Yeah.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Yeah.

[Keith Yandle]

Yay. When. If you're, if you're not being given the line and you have to dump it, don't force plays. Don't play in the Boston system where they're going to create those turnovers. They're going to go back the other way and make you pay. You're going to have to dump it in. You're going to have to go fucking chase it down and play physical and get it back. And you can't cheat the game in that regard. So if they don't get sucked in and kind of lose what they have to have for as far as a mentality when it comes to playing as a team like Boston, I think that they're going to be in good shape. So I got, I got Buffalo. I need them to beat the fuck out of Boston to not only that, but you and your fifth overall or your, your top five protected that you guys are coming after the leaf. So that's why it's back to Leafs. You're going to get beat in the first round and you're not getting our pick.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Boston did kind of work them this year 30 and 12 of them. Wayman only played in the 1 in

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

12 of the game. Two of the wins though were in I think October when Buffalo was Buffalo, the old Buffalo.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Right.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

So it doesn't really count considering how different they are. Hot take for me is someone takes a suspension on Darlene or Darlene gets suspended in this series.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Oh, someone does something that he's doing

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

something Darlene is going to be a menace. That's my, that's like why I'm picking Buffalo because I think and granted he hasn't played in the playoffs, I, I think it's going to be just such a coming out party for like fans around the league that even if they hadn't, they haven't seen Buffalo in the last 12 years. And maybe if you didn't see him much this year, like you talk about McAvoy, he's incredible. Like Darlene's the best defenseman in this series and I think what he does with the puck and how dirty he is is only going to translate even better to the playoffs. But he is a dirty fucking hockey player. And now you get into the playoffs and he loses his cool occasionally as well. Now does somebody snap on him first or does he snap on someone that's just maybe that's like a plus 850 bet that he suspended or somebody gets a suspension on him.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

And he also remember he a few years ago he's like we got to figure this out or basically I want out. So I'm sure he's putting a lot of onus on himself to go out there and prove that he's a player in the playoffs and he's a guy that you can win around. Like he's going to be a beast in this play. I cannot wait to watch him. Him and Hindam and Tage Thompson, I cannot wait to watch in this playoffs. Yeah, so I think Buffalo and 6. I think it's going to be an outstanding series. Probably looking forward to this one the most.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

If, if it's a high scoring series, Buffalo's winning. If it's a low scoring series, I think Boston wins. I mean it's not exactly rocket science like they. Swayman has been that good this year. Lions is hurt so UPL will start.

[Keith Yandle]

I mean UPL was the guy all along.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Oh, Lions was. He gets you in G. Obviously I know who you're taking but tell me why your team is winning the series. I mean if anyone knows this, it's Ryan Whitney. Need a goalie to win in the playoffs.

[Ryan Whitney]

Jeremy Swayman is that goalie. I've said it for years when he's on.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

He is. He steals games like he.

[Joey Kosher]

He can be that good.

[Ryan Whitney]

So I think Jeremy Swayman's the X factor. And Biz, I think you nailed it perfectly. Like, Marco Sturm is kind of the X factor here for me as well. Like, his defensive system coming up in the neutral zone, just like you said. And with all the riverboat gamblers that Buffalo has, that's where. That's where Boston could get one there. You know what I mean? So I love. I love Rasmus Dahlin, but I like Charlie McAvoy more. I love Paige Thompson, but I love David Pasternock more.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Yeah, I could. I can totally get those arguments, and I. I truly believe Swayman will steal a game or two. Yeah, but he. I don't think he's stealing four. I don't think he's stealing four wins. I mean, if you look. All right, so say we'll go Thompson pasta. We'll give that. We'll give that. We'll go wash Darlene McAvoy. Like, I'll say wash, but Wash. Come on, wash. All right, and then. All right, so then let's go Tuck. Who's your Tuck? Zaka, Zaka or Geeky?

[Ryan Whitney]

No, Zaka.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Okay. I trust Tuck more in. In the playoffs. And I'm kind of going on Idiot Pasha saying that Zaka's gonna disappear. He's been incredible this year. 30 goals this year and Stanley Cup Final.

[Ryan Whitney]

Congratulations.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

He just had a kid yesterday, so,

[Ryan Whitney]

you know, bet him to score first.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Okay. All right, now get. Now give me Ryan McLeod middle stat.

[Ryan Whitney]

That's gotta be a.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

A middle stat. I think there's somewhat of a wash. Yeah, somewhat.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

How was middle stat in the playoffs in Colorado?

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I don't remember. I don't think he was great.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Exactly.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Well, let's see here. Let's see. Middle stat. When he was on the playoffs in Colorado, he played 11 games at nine points in 23, 24.

[Ryan Whitney]

This is also the team that drafted.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Yeah, he's so.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

He's got. Scored a schedule there.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

All right, and now I'll go over now and I'll say, give me. Give me your Josh D. That's tough.

[Ryan Whitney]

That's real tough now, like, that's like.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

No, but you're going arson. Arson and arson. And at least in Edmonton, I mean, he wasn't. He was unreal. In the playoffs for Nashville back in the day. La, too.

[Joey Kosher]

La.

[Keith Yandle]

And a big year. He was there. Go back to his LA numbers and that first Round against Edmonton. I bet you had three goals. Three, four goals.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

I'd love to be a fly on the wall with that phone call from Josh D to Shane D. La.

[Keith Yandle]

He was. He was their best player.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

He had. Oh, no, he wasn't. He had. He had seven points in six games. I think like that. What? So that was like he was scoring

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

those slap shot goals. Remember?

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

That would have. That would have been. I mean, they've played Edmonton so many times.

[Keith Yandle]

I remember the one year I'm like, damn, Arvis Benson's unbelievable.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

That was the second time they played him. He had a goal in six assists. Yeah, okay.

[Keith Yandle]

That's what it was.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

He's going six assist. Can we call Benson and Marat the rat awash. Benson's. No, Benson's. Come on.

[Ryan Whitney]

They have the same amount of points, do they not?

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

How many less games has Benson played?

[Ryan Whitney]

Benson played. Yeah. 65.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

And, and honestly, like, I think Benson now. I'll. I'll give. I'll give him a rat. The rat. The speed.

[Ryan Whitney]

Great.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I don't think he's got that ratness to him that Benson has though.

[Ryan Whitney]

No.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah.

[Ryan Whitney]

I would say it's a

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

car. Born with it. He's a legit carney. Like imagine Carney for playoffs. Like that. That. That is. That is what carnival people sleep at the rink. Yeah, exactly. No, he'll sleep at the carnival next to the rink. So. And then after that, Frazier Mitten. I want to see Fraser Mitten this playoff.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah, he's playing on a line with Kuznadinoff and Hagens at practice. So that'll be the young kid line. That'll be cool.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I'm very talking about.

[Keith Yandle]

Higgins is getting the start and playoffs.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

They're saying he might. I'm very excited for this series. This series is going to be electric, I think.

[Keith Yandle]

I think if it, if it goes to 6 and 7, I think you're seeing over 2 million in viewership.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Will you go if there's a game?

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

So I. So I said that I will. I. I said I will be at Game 1 in Buffalo if they get in. I ca. I can't. We're here and. No, no, like I'm. I'm. If it's game seven, yes, I'll go.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

You're going to.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Yes, I'll go. I can't go this weekend. Like, I, it's. It's three kids. Like I'm buff. I'm sorry, Buffalo. But like, I'm on the billboard, so you'll see me. But I will. I will be in Buffalo. If it goes to game seven, I promise that this is like real life stuff. I just can't get there. What would that be?

[Joey Kosher]

Tomorrow.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I'd have to fly tomorrow. I'm sorry. I want to go. I want to go. It's Buffalo. It's a drinking town and they're back in the playoffs. We're probably do a little more talk with RA on this and maybe some other thoughts he has, but final series in the first round. I gotta read you guys a text. This is Carolina, Ottawa.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Oh, so it's got to be from Tripp Tracy.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

No, I'm going to read this text. I love that you're picking Ottawa against us. I love it. You are such a mush. God damn. I love it. That would be Taylor Hall. That would be Taylor Hall. And I started dying laughing. I said, but I know, I know. I texted, texted Tripp Tracy, who also texted me. Wow, Whit, I can't believe it. I showed Jordan stall this. And I said, trip, once again, everything I say is incorrect. So this should fire you up. But make no mistake, you guys have never had a first round series like this, right? You've never dealt with a team like this. You've been just working over the scraps of the Metropolitan Division for what seems like 10 years in a row. Oh, you got the Islanders. Oh, you got the Devils. Oh, like this ain't. This ain't the Islanders and the Devils. This is a legit hockey team. Who is one of the best teams in the NHL when their goaltending is average, not even great average goaltending. This is a top five top ten team in the NHL that is hungry, that got there last year and lost. That's kind of a big sign. You get in finally, you get a loss under your belt, you get back in a season of turmoil. I love this Carolina team. I really do. I think they're so fun to watch because they never stop coming. They generate so many shots. Now while some of the shots are misleading because they shoot from everywhere, they're still just in your face. They're hard to break the puck out against. They're just coming at you constantly. I love Brindamore as a coach. I just think Ottawa, man, like, look at the year Batherson had. Look at how good Pinto is as a third line center. They don't have a player like Brady Tkachuk. I love Jordan Stahl and he could be physical, but he's not a complete menace to society like Brady Tkachuk. And he can't score like Brady Tkachuk. I Think he could back in his. Back in his heyday. But I think it's gonna be a great series. I think it's going seven games. That's the part of me that I am picking Ottawa in seven now winning a game seven in Carolina, that's a, a. That's a tall task. That's a tough one. But I just look at both these teams and I think a. Carolina's first round matchups usually and this is the exact opposite in my mind.

[Keith Yandle]

Well, I can agree with you on that. But ultimately, like everything, it comes back to the Toronto Maple Leafs and I'm wearing the king crown right now. And that's because we will remain the Kings of Ontario.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

You're not. You missed the playoffs.

[Keith Yandle]

It doesn't matter.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

So if they win the series.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Yeah, so if they win the series, they. No, no, you got to get conference finals. No, then you're officially king because you guys haven't done that. I think in 35 I will hand

[Keith Yandle]

this thing over if they're able to beat the Carolina Hurricanes. And I promise you that. And as part owner of the Carolina Hurricanes, I'm just warning Ottawa fans, we are going to as.0001% owner of the Corsi Kings, we're going to outshoot you out, chance you to death and ultimately win this series. And listen, I've been positive with Ottawa the whole year. I think that they have an unbelievable team. They probably have the best defenseman in the series. I know Carolina Hurricanes fans don't want to hear that.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

They are gonna. I wasn't even punching his steering.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

I wasn't even gossip.

[Keith Yandle]

I think he Slaven's better than gossip.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I wasn't even willing to. I wasn't even willing to say Sanderson's better than Slave. And that is. That is a ballsy, ballsy ball.

[Keith Yandle]

What do you call that?

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

What do you think different?

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

God, if I'm trying to win a Stanley Cup, I think you're starting a team.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Who are you taking?

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Sanderson. Okay, Sanderson. But at this point in his career and, and, and like playoff hockey, like slaving. You don't fucking get around the guy blanket. Yeah, that's. You know what though? I should. I, I give that credit more. I'll give that comment a little more credit than I did. I kind of brushed it aside. But Sanderson's amazing. But he. Is he still battling injury? You know what I mean? Is he. Is he 100% healthy? Probably not. Who is at this point in the year?

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Okay, I got a question for you guys, when was the last. Because Bus, he's going to get the net, right?

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

That's my thing.

[Keith Yandle]

He's all. He played 39 games this year, I want to say. Right?

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

So it's already said they're both playing, they're both playing Anderson and Bussey. So that's another thing that's like I don't love that. I've been through that every year with Edmonton.

[Keith Yandle]

I also don't mind in the earlier rounds keeping them both fresh. I think with.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

No, you got to get your legs under you as a goalie and know what every other night playing. But when was.

[Keith Yandle]

Well, guys, I think that it's worked for them over the past like how many ever years. Like they've been, they've been doing this goalie rotation. It's not the first time they've done it.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

They haven't won the cup.

[Keith Yandle]

I know, but they, Buddy, they're getting to the Eastern Conference finals here and we're talking about the first round, okay? These guys aren't rookies. They know what the they're doing. They got their legs. They'll sk out skate the out of you. That Blake is an absolute rat. He's going to be frustrating the out of the Ottawa Senators. Yes, but by no means am I saying that Ottawa is not a good team because, like, I think it's actually a draw and it goes back to the playoff setup that they're getting. They're getting like they would obviously much rather get the Flyers as opposed to getting the Ottawa Center.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I mean, I think you, I think you'd rather the Bruins than Ottawa.

[Keith Yandle]

I, I, I, I, I agree with that as well.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

I don't know, goaltender. But when? Here's my question. When was the last time a silly cider won the Stanley Cup?

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I swear to God. No, he's not. Is it grand fier?

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

There was one after him.

[Joey Kosher]

What?

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Hold on, hold on. It was the last lefty goalie to win the Stanley Cup.

[Keith Yandle]

Was it, Was it, was it a Carolina Hurricane goalie?

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

No.

[Keith Yandle]

Oh, God. That's a great question.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Okay. It wasn't quickie. It wasn't any of the, it wasn't anyone in Chicago. It wasn't anyone on Colorado. Timmy Thomas isn't. Wasn't anyone on Pittsburgh. So we're going back to the,

[Keith Yandle]

we're

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

going back to the early two.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

No back 90s.

[Keith Yandle]

Oh, my God.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Really? Early 90s.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Early 90s.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Stomped the Schwab.

[Keith Yandle]

This is a great trivia question.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Well, it's not Barrasso. Yes, it is. He's a silly side at all, bro. I didn't know that.

[Ryan Whitney]

Why? Wow.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Yeah.

[Joey Kosher]

Wow.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Okay, so it would be. It would have to be Anderson for the, for the Hurricanes fans.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Yeah.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Wow. That's crazy. I didn't even know Barossa was a silly cider. Okay, I. I give, I give Carolina. They have a better decor right?

[Keith Yandle]

Top to bottom.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Keandre Miller skate, he's huge. Slaving Gossas Bear is the offensive guy. Nikishan is a complete animal. Manchild. I like their D better. I like Ottawa's forwards better. Yeah.

[Keith Yandle]

I think top to bottom and. And they have enough of them that are offensively dynamic. Where the problems that the Hurricane sometimes run into is with the man on man. Where. I mean. Yeah. With the individual effort, getting beat to the net and stuff like that. So the speed and dynamic players that they have can. Will be able to cross fits in the defensive zone from the man on man perspective. Also you got going on with Brady.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

So he, he's playing now. That was just. I have no idea. That was. We talked about it last episode because

[Keith Yandle]

you talk about net front presence and there's very few guys in playoffs right now that command the front of the net in the offensive zone like a Brady Tkachuk. There's maybe like five guys size wise, just like screen like tipping pucks, second opportunities like what he could do to keep plays alive below the goal line in the offensive zone. So that is a big time question mark for me, for Ottawa as far as how healthy is it is he and how quickly can he move up and down the ice? Because we know that Carolina can move. They can play with pace. They come at you four lines and they keep that pace throughout a full 60 minutes. So that is a big, big X factor going into this series.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Okay, so we talk, we talk goaltending in the playoffs. Ottawa has that edge. And by the way, this went back to when I picked Ottawa last episode. Saying with. With the, with the. With the air quotes. Air quotes or. No, the. What would the word. What would that. What's that little symbol? What's that little symbol when you have to asterisks. Asterisk of Omar playing good.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Okay, so that's big part. We have the goalie. Then you talk about center iceman. Right. Ajo incredible unreal player. Stutzel game breaker. I don't know if he's as good defensively as Ajo but elite wash. All right. Stankhoven Cousins. I mean Cousins right. Pinto cocked in the Emmy like centerized depth, centerized position. It's a. It's a matchup win for Ottawa and goaltending now. Bussy's been awesome. He came on our show. What a great guy. It's going seven. I got Ottawa shocking them in Carolina game seven.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Yeah, I agree with you. I got Ottawa. I got Ottawa in six, though. I think Brady Tkachuk's gonna be a man on a mission. He's seen his brother win the last two years. He. You saw him on TV at all the games, taken it all in, Won the Olympics this year. I just think he's starving. All the shit that that team's been

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

through this year, it's finally over.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

It's over. They came together. They got through the shit. New season.

[Keith Yandle]

They got through their fan base.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Yeah, exactly. They beat their fan base. And then that song that came out,

[Keith Yandle]

that was a tough one. That was a tough one. Well, the good news for Ottawa is you're playing for something more than the Stanley cup right now. You're playing for the crown.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

You're playing to become a team that doesn't make trades using chat GPT.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

The crown is yours.

[Keith Yandle]

This is what you're playing.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Nick Cousins, like, what is he gonna do? Oh, what. What is he going to do?

[Keith Yandle]

You see the. The. The picture. The picture day, him with Claude Giroux.

[Joey Kosher]

Yeah.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Zetterland's like, it wasn't me. It wasn't me. Jerus. Like, buddy, you leave my hair.

[Keith Yandle]

He pisses off his own teammates, let alone the other team. So I'm. I'm a little bit nervous for that one. And. But. But Blake, he's kind of an undercover rat, too, though.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Yeah.

[Keith Yandle]

Right. So they. There's a little bit of ratness going on on both squads.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

My cousin has years on him in the ratness.

[Keith Yandle]

I have Carolina.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I forgot about Warren Fogel, too.

[Keith Yandle]

Dude, he can move.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

And Edmonton, he was great.

[Keith Yandle]

I got Carolina in six games.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Wow. Okay.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

I got Ottawa in six.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

So

[Keith Yandle]

be doing the wave in Ottawa's building in front of Carney and an Lauer.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

If Carolina loses. This is Brenda Moore on the hot seat.

[Keith Yandle]

He. No, he's. He's. He should be up for coach of the year, like, top five again, like, every year. It's just nothing.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I think Hurricanes fans are. They're like, this. This is our year.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Yeah.

[Keith Yandle]

I think it's more on Tulski, the fact that they didn't make an aggressive move at the deadline than. Than anything because we just talked about, like, if they're going to lose this series ultimately, like Whit said, I think it comes down to the middle of the ice.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Yeah.

[Keith Yandle]

And if.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

And there were guys available.

[Keith Yandle]

If you're trying to make a cup run with no. With no. They could have got tro check, no Florida and you're. You're going in with a whole stankhoven and cockney Emmy, then you better trust. I mean, I can understand you winning a first or second round series, but it's going to get tougher as the deeper they go.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

G, who you got?

[Ryan Whitney]

I have a one with Biz Kanes in six. I do just want to say like imagine Robert Thomas playing for the Hurricanes. Like if Polsky went out and got him, like that would have been. Oh, he's the perfect dad there.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I know. So out west we're going to do Vegas, Utah. Wow. And here he comes.

[Keith Yandle]

Oh, Mitch.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

He's got Mitch Marner jersey on. And I'm. Oh, oh, oh. Oh my God. He's spitting out 1 90th of that thing. His ass cheek is on. Oh, how are we supposed to record? I don't think I can record. We thought he was going with Vegas. You did say Chuck's jersey.

[Keith Yandle]

Ultimate horn turn.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I thought you were gonna drive out on the Zamas actually. I literally thought that was gonna be your entrance. But he's got the mammoth jersey on. How did it take you was going back Helmet.

[Keith Yandle]

Than a helmet for your hammer. I was waiting in the back room room for you guys to announce me.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

This is.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Where do you got. Where do you buy that?

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I don't know where you go from there, folks. I don't know if Ryan Smith fascination. Ryan Smith's cheering or puking right now, folks. Oh. But we have our pick from Paul Biz Nasty Bissonette, the Utah Mammoth Snuffy Quickly the West. So our show Monday and I guess we can announce. I'll announce this first before we get into this series. Very exciting for us. Nothing beats a live show, right? We went to Netflix. Some things changed. Not in the playoffs, boys, because we're coming to you live on Monday and Thursdays on Netflix 11am Eastern on every Monday and every Thursday. Netflix has the ability to go live. We're back live. We can't re record any takes. We can't cover up any mistakes. It's all live. It. We'll do it live Mel O'Reilly style on Netflix Monday and Thursdays 11am so Monday we'll be able to go over the Pacific 2 and 3 series. I. I hope it's Edmonton Anaheim. I do not want to play LA again for Christ's sake. But we'll be able to preview that series Monday morning live because they don't that series won't start until Monday night.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Other games.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

We're breaking down other games. So right now we can, we've talked Dallas mini. We can now talk the Mammoth in Vegas. Give me why. Give me why.

[Keith Yandle]

The Melka has been unbelievable this year. So they do have goaltending. There's been a lot of question marks in that for the Vegas Golden Knights back and forth. I know they got the mojo going right now. I know they got torts in the mix given those pregame speeches since seven. Oh, and one right? Or seven and one. But you know, and, and I just really like how fast and you look at some of the analytic under the hood numbers for the Utah Mammoth, one of the best five on five teams as far as driving traffic. I think people would question their forward group as far as experience and size and, and not having maybe the, the, the toughness up front, but I think that the speed and the pace in which they play up is going to cause fits for that backhand.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Can I give you a little stat in term that might I just want to hear your opinion on. Sure. Utah is one of the worst teams in the league at getting the puck back when they dump it in.

[Keith Yandle]

Oh really? Well, they're not going to be able

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

to, I don't think they're going to be able to enter the zone.

[Keith Yandle]

I don't know man. I, I, I, they, they got some guys who can move the puck in the back end. Sergachev is one of the best offensive defensemen in the league this year. There's a reason they went and got weaker. I think that they got some, they want to play with the puck and that's, that's evident especially those top two lines. You got Gunther, Lethal Sniper, 40 goals. Cooley who can we know he can move up and down the ice. The, the offensive chemistry between Schmaltzy and Kels as well. Barrett Hayton, not to also be overlooked. Like I, I think that there's a lot of speed there. Lawson Crow, speed and size. That McBain guy's a piece of to play against. He's also a big I think they got guys in this lineup that are going to surprise a lot of people and there's, I don't think Utah games are, are, are one of which a lot of hockey fans watch and they're fun and they're fun to watch and I think they're going to surprise a lot of people. And listen, Vegas, they look like a completely different team over the last few weeks with Torts. They look faster. Like you said, it looks like they're on the Juice, but I. I just. Well, that's what you said. You said he looks like they've all been taking steroids.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I think that was on. Pardon my take, but yeah, I. Last night's game. I. And now, granted, they're playing Seattle. I was like, this is. What am I watching right now? Like, they look nothing like they did all season long. They are flying around. Marner looked incredible. I got. I got Vegas in six and it could be five. I think Utah, I think they're not going anywhere. It's just the beginning of, like, what they're going to become as a team. It's their first time in and they're playing against a team that's been there, done that. I think I love Clayton Keller. He's not Jack Eichel, right? I. I love Schmaltzy. He's not Mitch Marner. I think Mitch Marner, I think he's gonna. I think he's gonna just literally best season bury you. I think he's gonna light it up in the playoffs.

[Keith Yandle]

The best season of a. Of a new Golden Knight. Like a guy coming in first year, 79 points. I believe 80.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Got 80.

[Keith Yandle]

Okay. So he hit the 880 mark. And I believe that the next guy behind him might have been March or so.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I'm not sure because that was their first year, right.

[Keith Yandle]

Inaugural season.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

But I mean, dude. So you could talk. You could talk. Clayton Keller and Logan Cooley's awesome and Schmaltz is great. But, like, we didn't even say Mark Stone yet. And Mark Stone looks awesome, like, down low the way perfect playoff type player. I do love, like, the mobility on Utah's D. Like, Jersey flies around, Weger gets up and down. But I think Vegas has a better D overall. Like, if. If they're all going right. Like, Shay Theodore, so good with the puck. Carter Hart seems to have found something.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Blutman told me the other day he found it.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

He did?

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Yep. He said he's dialed.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

And he said that.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Yeah.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

And. And the thumb texted me. Oh. Oh. I woke up. I woke up this morning to a text. Where is it? He said, we did you a favor drawing Utah. They're the best team outside of Vegas and Edmonton. I said, the Knights look unreal, Gary. He said, carter Hart. That's all he said.

[Joey Kosher]

Wow.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

That's all he said. So obviously this guy who is the staff of Vegas, they're dialed. They see everything. He just writes two Words Carter Hart. So I can't believe what's happened. Like, I don't know what Torts said to them. This is, this is like they had to be so sick. They had to be so sick of Cassidy. This makes no sense. Torts went and he didn't switch up anything.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

He was just like observing.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Yeah, he was just like a. Just a total new voice pop off where they're like, all right, we're not getting chirped non stop. He's not giving it to guys on the bench. Were just feeling free again. And they, they've looked. I couldn't believe last night how different they looked. And I think Utah's gonna give him, you know, give him some good games. But I, I think Vegas takes care of him relative with relative ease. And Utah has many more seasons of competing ahead. But Jack Eichel, Mitch Marner, Mark Stone, Dorothy of Hurdle looks, he hasn't. I don't think hurdle scored in 20 games, but sometimes. Yeah, you're fired. Up for the playoffs start. All right, that's over. New. New season. I got Vegas here, boys.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Michael finally scored on the.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I said six, but it could be five.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Michaels finally scored in the power play, which is good. Get him some mojo going into the playoffs. As much as I want to bet Utah, being an alumni of the Mammoth, I honestly was going to take them until I saw what you came out in. And now I was going to bet with my heart, not my head. Now I'm betting with my head and I'm taking the Vegas Golden Knights. Wit you persuade me their last handful of games with Torts. I think he's brought a calmness to that group where they're not walking on eggshells every single day with Bruce. So I, I think Vegas takes care of them at five.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah, well, I'm not betting with my. My heart or my head. I'm betting with my horn. And I got. I got Utah tusks up in seven.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Toss down.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Gee, who do you got?

[Ryan Whitney]

I got Vegas and sex. I just. I think you guys said it all.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Okay. And if they hadn't fired Cassidy, who knows if they even get into the playoffs the way it was going. It's crazy. All right, that was five series. We'll get the.

[Keith Yandle]

We already did Mini Dallas. So we got two left coming.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

And we'll have to talk about them On Monday Live, 11am Eastern on Netflix. Very fired up for that. So we'll just throw it over right now to Joey Kosher. Wings fans. I'm sorry. Down and out.

[Keith Yandle]

But before we get there. There's a few Leafs prospects that I wanted to get. Few of them who. Who have foursy too. No, we're off to Joey Corsha. What? What, what? A couple stories he had for us, folks. And a little, I guess, a little treat for the Red Wings fans. They need this right now.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Yeah, they need it. You'll be back, Joey Kosher. Guys, let's take a quick break and talk about a new movie coming out, Normal, from the creator of John Wick. And nobody comes. The new movie, Normal. A double barrel shotgun blast of pure mayhem for sheriff Ulysses, played by Bob Odenkirk. A new job as temporary sheriff in the quaint town of Normal, Minnesota was meant to be a welcome respite from recent troubles. But when a F bank robbery interrupts the piece and a dark secret is exposed and Ulysses discovers that the town of Normal is anything but. Directed by Ben Wheatley and starring Bob Odenkirk, Henry Winkler and Lena Headey. See it only in theaters starting April 17th. Guys, some fans believe in teams of destiny, but I believe everything happens for a Reese's. Just think about it. What is the one thing every team or athletes want? A championship.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Why?

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Because half of them are called Cups. Stanley World Ryder. Just like Reese's. Luckily, scoring a Reese's cup is way easier than winning a championship. It's almost like you were destined to get one right? Because everything happens for a Reese's. Pick one up today. Very special guest. Right now, we're pleased to be joined by three time Stanley cup champ as a player, one time Stanley cup champ as the video coach, Detroit Red Wings. He's got four cup rings. He's a legend. A tough, tough bastard. Joey Kosher, thanks for joining the show.

[Joey Kosher]

Hey, thanks for having me, guys.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Oh, we appreciate it, man. We appreciate it. We were just talking before we started recording. We wanted to save it. You just saw biz. I think it's nice to start off with. With your relationship with Kelly Chase, how much he means to you and you guys getting together for the Puck cancer event the other night in St. Louis.

[Joey Kosher]

Yeah, Chaser I'd consider one of my dearest friends. We grew up together. We played hockey together, we played softball together. We'd go back in the summer and work at Barry Melrose's hockey school. He's just such a great person. He's great to everybody. And for him to be battling like he is, it's. It's really unfortunate. But if somebody can battle through it, that's the type of guy that could do that.

[Keith Yandle]

We we did the Ice Guardian podcast with him on Saturday. He said if he ever got in a brawl, like in a back alley, he was named. I think he named about four or five guys. It was you, Brandon Shanahan. I think Wendell Clark was in there, and of course, Tony Twist. And I think he said, like, one or two other names. So that, that's a fun crew. That's a, that I would not want to, want to run into that crew.

[Joey Kosher]

I, I, I would love to have Chaser in my corner at all times.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

That's awesome. Were you guys from the same town? Like, same town or same area of Saskatchewan? Like, are you talking from, like, 8, 9 years old?

[Joey Kosher]

Yeah, Chasers from Porcupine Plain. And I'm from Kelvington, where Wendell. He's only about 25 miles away, so we, we ran, ran into each other a lot. We probably didn't become friends more until junior hockey and pro hockey, though. That's when we got to see each other every summer.

[Keith Yandle]

And I noticed that, I think that your second year with the Saskatoon Blades was Wendell's rookie year in junior. So what about him? Did you know him growing up as well, or was that the first encounter you had with Wendell?

[Joey Kosher]

No, Wendell's from Kelvington, so Wendell, Wendell's oldest brother Donnie was the best man of my wedding. They lived two miles from our farm, so we grew up. Wendell did leave to go to Wilcox Notre Dame for a few years, so I didn't see him those times, but I played with his older brother Donnie on all the way up through minor hockey.

[Keith Yandle]

Awesome.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

So you grew up on a farm. Okay, so we've, we've had a couple guys on the show, and it seems the, the overall message is just learning responsibility and accountability. And what was it like for you, your daily chores or what you had to get done on the farm, and how your dad and your mom probably, like, really taught you a lot about what it takes to be successful in that part of life.

[Joey Kosher]

Well, there's no question my dad was. He was a tough old bastard, and he pushed us pretty hard. So there was no, there's no sassing around. Whatever he said went. We had no choice to do it but get it done. And if there was more to do, he would send us back out in the field to do more.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

It's almost like every guy that grew up on a farm is said, you know what? It's much easier to play in the NHL, even as a fighter. It's easier to play in the NHL to be on the farm, working every Day waking up before the, you know, sunrise and going to bed late too.

[Joey Kosher]

Yeah. So you know what? I really enjoyed the farm when I was. When I was younger. I'd like. Like to go back and do. Do it again, but NHL was, was my life and was a lot of fun and I just. I got so much out of it and so much. So many more. More friends, new people to meet. My wife, my kids. It all came from playing in NHL.

[Keith Yandle]

I was just gonna go back just to that, to the toughness. Like, all you guys can fucking throw with the best of them. Like, at what age was this going down? Like, maybe were you guys a little bored on these farms on the weekends where you guys would just go like, toe to toe at the back of the barn, like, how does this happen? Where all these guys from Sask are just nail guns?

[Joey Kosher]

I think it's just the way we were brought up. Our parents would wake us up in the morning, they'd take us out to the field and leave us in the field all day to pick stones. As for the fighting part, I didn't even have a fight until junior hockey. And my coach was a gentleman named Jerry James. Jerry's well known as the only. I think the only person ever to play in the Grey cup and the Stanley cup finals in the same year. He was a. He was a legend. Yes. And he, he was tough as nails and he convinced me that I needed to do something better than most to move up in this league and. And fighting seemed to be the way to go.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

What position did he play in football?

[Joey Kosher]

I think he was a. A fullback and maybe a defensive halfback or so. I don't know. He was just. He was on the kid line in Toronto. I do know that. And that would have been Maybe in the 60s, I guess.

[Keith Yandle]

So he was how much older than you was? Was he like, how old was he? He.

[Joey Kosher]

Well, I think Jerry passed away this last year and I think he was in his early to mid-90s.

[Keith Yandle]

So was he helping, like, also, like, train you guys? Like, was this guy just an absolute freak off the ice?

[Joey Kosher]

No, he was just. He was our coach. He pushed us. He actually on that one team, we had Dave Brown as well, so we weren't. We were pretty, Pretty tough team there. But like I said, Jerry was the coach that molded me into the player that I am today. And he was. He was a great man and a great athlete, a great person.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

So when you first started fighting, did you enjoy it or was it kind of one of those things like, ah, my coach is kind of telling me to do this, I'll do it to appease him. Or did you love it right away?

[Joey Kosher]

I think I was successful the first few fights, so I, I liked it. I never, never bothered me to get hit. So if, as long as I hit them harder than they hit me, I was always happy.

[Keith Yandle]

Somebody was telling me the other day with that, like, he would punch for the, the back of the guy's head when he had to go through it, would throw punches. Like that was your main goal. Did he also explain to you to do that as well?

[Joey Kosher]

Well, I, I, I tried to hit the back of the head, but that was going through the front to get there.

[Keith Yandle]

Right. That's what I meant.

[Joey Kosher]

Yeah.

[Keith Yandle]

Thanks for clarifying that.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

How far, how far was Kelvington from, from Saskatoon? So when you went off to play junior, like, what was that travel like? Were you able to live at home or is that a decent ways away?

[Joey Kosher]

Yeah, when I, when I was 15, I left to play in Yorkton first. And that's, that's tier two or tier one? Junior junior eight. Tier two. Sorry. And that was about an hour and a half away. And then Saskatoon was two and a half hours away. So when I left home, we had to stay, stay in the cities we were at.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

So you talk about Wendell being from your town and getting to know Chaser, Saskatchewan guy, but with the Wings battle and the Leafs and the Blues, like, how many times did you end up fighting those guys in the NHL? Because I always find that crazy. Like, good friends. And it happens a lot, or at least back when you played, but it's still got to be a little awkward just trying to punch your freaking fist through his head and then in the summer be like, hey, buddy, let's go have a beer.

[Keith Yandle]

He would only aim for the middle of it, though. He wouldn't go all the way to the back.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Smart.

[Joey Kosher]

Well, honestly, I didn't fight Jaser or Wendell.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Okay.

[Joey Kosher]

I always felt that I was maybe their bigger brother, and I didn't want to be that guy to do it. But in the same sense, I fought Probi a couple times and, but he was 6 foot 5 and I, he could handle himself. So now Wendell and Chaser were just too close to family for me to, to go after.

[Keith Yandle]

But no tummy sticks, though, right? Like, you weren't like, tapping the shin pads. It was all business when the puck dropped. Like, would you guys ever be joking around on the ice together?

[Joey Kosher]

No, it was, it was business. We knew what our jobs were, and we weren't and we knew the coaches and everyone were watching. We weren't. We were going to screw around that way.

[Keith Yandle]

I'll see you in the hallway after.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Exactly part of that. Were you part of that legendary softball team?

[Joey Kosher]

Yeah, I was part of that team. That was an amazing team we had, led by Barry Melrose. Okay, Barry Wendell Kaminsky.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Have you spoken to Barry at all? Because that's a guy who meant a lot. Not only when he went to LA and the coaching he did, but then on TV and the stage states, and it's been. It's been tough. You know, he had to kind of retire out of the TV with what's going on. And it seems like talking to the Saskatchewan guys. He means a lot to everyone there. The guys who kind of came after him.

[Joey Kosher]

He did. He paved the way for us. He was the first. Well, there was one gentleman earlier, much older than us, that made the NHL from Kelvington. But Barry was our. Our guy. We played softball with him in the summer. We all came and worked at his hockey school, and he was. We looked up to him. We'd. We'd be driving to town and he'd be out running the highway, getting ready for training camp. So he was a great. Is a great role model to us.

[Keith Yandle]

I'm looking at these junior numbers, too. 69 games in your last year, you had 40 goals, 41 assists, and 258 penalty minutes. So obviously at that level, like, you were highly skilled, probably getting power play time. And. And as you turn to pro, like, the offensive numbers other than one year weren't really there. So, like, was it hard for you to kind of just adapt to that bottom six role all of a sudden? And like, that was kind of it for your. For majority of your NHL career?

[Joey Kosher]

Yeah, no, it wasn't hard for me. I knew my role. I knew my place in the team. I knew what I was supposed to be doing out there. If I. If I got a goal or two, it was always exciting. But I accepted what I had to do and I. I did my best to learn that role. And then I had some great coaches along the way that. That helped me become a better hockey player in enabling me to get those Stanley Cups and have a bigger role on the ice.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Stevie y was young there too. Was it kind of one of those things when you came in, the coaches and GM said, hey, that guy right there, number 19, look out for him.

[Joey Kosher]

Well, I looked out for him every game I ever played. So, yeah, that was a good draft that year. They drafted Stevie, myself, Bob Probert, Peter Klima, Lane Lambert, Stu Grimson. There's a. A mismatch. There are some pretty good players and some pretty tough guys as well.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

You got to play with Tiger Williams in Detroit for a year, huh?

[Joey Kosher]

He was there. I don't think he played all year. But I got to play with Tiger Williams. I got to learn from a guy named John Wensink, who was really tough, big guy. So I had some good mentors growing up.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Yeah, I'm looking because it's weird. Like you, I think for me, I think of the Wings and everything came together mid-90s. But. But when you got there in 85, 86, I didn't realize you made the playoffs for a little bit. And then it was like early 90s. The struggles came. And what did you see? Kind of change over time. I know people have talked about Iserman became more of a defensive player, like, well, well, maybe sacrificing some points. But that whole change from what happened, not just the new players coming in. How did like the culture change? Was it all Scotty Bowman and. And Yzerman changing his game a little bit?

[Joey Kosher]

Yeah. So we. We were really bad in the mid-80s. Then we got a couple years. Jacques Demir come in and Stevie started to became captain. We had two good playoff runs where we lost to the Edmonton Oilers both years in the conference finals. And nobody was beating those guys anyway. So then I think it was also the drafting. I mean, then Sergey comes in, Nick Lindstrom comes in. They made some very good draft picks and it started to turn around in about 92. But at that point, I was in New York at the time. I was lucky enough to come back in 96 though.

[Keith Yandle]

How was the. How were the crowds and the atmosphere inside the Joe during those years? Like, I got to see it like Whit talked about on TV as they started winning the cups and being good and even got the tail end of it before it closed. So what was it rocking?

[Joey Kosher]

Well, when I first came into the league, it was not rocking. The team wasn't very good. I think we had 17 wins in one year. Mr. Ilitch and the Ilitch family were giving away a car at every game just to try and get people in the seats. And then I guess it was probably 87 when we made the playoffs for two years. And it was. It was bedlam. There. It was. We had to play. I think we probably played the Leafs one year.

[Keith Yandle]

We did.

[Joey Kosher]

We beat them in seven. And we. We actually won four playoff series those two years. And there was a lot of excitement. I mean, that. That Joe Louis arena was the best that I played in. In that era as a visiting guy. The Chicago Stadium was. That was. That was the best place for a visiting guy to ever go.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Those stairs going up to the rink like those made the best videos back in the day.

[Joey Kosher]

Especially falling down them.

[Keith Yandle]

Too many post game pops. Were you guys having beers in the locker room after, like, all the guys?

[Joey Kosher]

Oh, yeah. Back then.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah.

[Joey Kosher]

In the locker room, on the bus, on the flight. Yeah. It's good old school hockey. I'm sure you guys did, too.

[Keith Yandle]

How many smokers?

[Joey Kosher]

There was some. Probie was a smoker. Harold Snaps. Tim Higgins. Yeah. You'd go back in the stick room between periods to tape a stick or cut one off and you're walking into a plume of smoke.

[Keith Yandle]

Nice of them to at least do it in the stick room, though, Some of them. There was more guys hacking darts. They were just doing it in the room.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

No.

[Joey Kosher]

Were they?

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I thought it was always a room

[Keith Yandle]

buddy back in the day. Well, Joel, is that true? Not in.

[Joey Kosher]

Not on any teams I played in. They had to go back in the stick room, but it still didn't matter. You could smell it everywhere anyway.

[Keith Yandle]

Okay.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

You end up getting. I'd like to hear how you ended up in New York, because I don't know how that went down, but once you tell us that, I'd also love to know. You must have kind of been shocked. You get the cup in New York. 93, 94, that legendary run that I want to talk about. But Detroit couldn't get over the hump either. You actually went back and then, Then the cups came. There had to be some part of you shocked that, that they still couldn't get it done because of how good those teams were when you weren't there.

[Joey Kosher]

Yeah, they were. They were good teams. They just ran into some, I guess, better, better teams and maybe a little luckier at the time. But I got traded. I guess it was a trading deadline in 91. I didn't expect to be traded. Detroit was my home. I loved it. But you know what? New York, they wanted me there. Neil Smith was a general manager who was with me in Detroit. Colin Campbell was one of the coaches who was with me in Detroit. So I at least had a couple people there that. That knew me and knew what they were getting when I got there.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Looking at that roster, I mean, you got to see Messier, like the. One of the most legendary playoff runs of all time. Ty Domi was there as well. So it wasn't Just like a skilled team. There was a lot of toughness with those Rangers teams, huh?

[Joey Kosher]

There was, there was. When, when Neil took over there, he started really making a lot of changes. I Bet in the five years I was there, they might have been 50 trades. Even the, even the year we won the cup in 93, 94, we were first on the power play, first in the penalty killing, number one overall. And on trade deadline day, I think he made five moves so he. They didn't sit down. They. We got Noonan and Matteo that day. We got McTavish that day. There was a. Who else? We traded Tony Amante. We traded, oh, Glenn Anderson. We got that day. So he was very active and he was trying to break the curse and we were lucky enough to do that in New York.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Was Mike Gartner, the most shocking one that left. Right. Because of his speed and how good he was. And all of a sudden he's not there either.

[Joey Kosher]

Yeah, you know what? As I think you guys all know Mike Keenan, Mike Keenan's got his own way of, of doing things his own way, thinking. And if, if you're not his style of player and you know what his style is? He, he doesn't want to have you. So we, we got Glenn Anderson from Mike Gartner and. And then the, the big one though was Tony Monte, who was a young superstar. And we got a couple journeymen and I called him that in respect. Matoa Noonan. They were so legendary for us to win that Stanley cup too. So they knew what they were doing and it worked out for us.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Well, yeah, Matteo scored that big goal, right? And then Brian Noonan may or may not have got the other goal that Messier got. So who knows?

[Keith Yandle]

Let's talk about this. What's everyone think?

[Joey Kosher]

I don't know.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Plead the fifth.

[Joey Kosher]

Hey, we got the goals. All that mattered.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah, that's all that matters, buddy.

[Joey Kosher]

Nobody was going to argue.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

No. Were you there for that time when it was Keenan, Right. That kept Kovalev on the ice and Kovalev thought he was doing the right thing and he just kept leaving him on the ice. He had like a five minute shift.

[Joey Kosher]

Yeah, it was, it was like seven and a half minutes. He kept coming to the bench and Keenan would tell him to go back out there and then the players got on, so we started doing it too. And he finished the game from about the 13 minute mark on. And I think the first three or four minutes he thought he was, he deserved it. Then he realized that, yeah, this is, this is a punishment. This Isn't what it's supposed to be.

[Keith Yandle]

Joe, when Whit was introing you, he said video coach for the Wings. Like, was that just a title or were you actually watching a ton of film?

[Joey Kosher]

I was watching a ton of film. I had a computer to break it down. Whenever the coach would come in, I'd have to do a power play setup or a penalty killing setup, and. And I'm not great electronically, so I don't know how the hell I got through that. But I learned a lot. It was a lot of fun doing that because you. You get to see the mistakes are also the good plays, and you can. It helps to be. To go on the bench after that, which was great for me.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

I was just gonna say, like, the video coaches, when. Remember when it wouldn't play and like the panic, then everyone started giving it to them. But with a guy like Joey, no one's gonna be giving it to him. So you're.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

No.

[Keith Yandle]

They all. You're just gonna help them. Can I help you with that?

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I don't know anything either. I saw the clip of Torts the other day in New York, and. And the light burns out.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Yeah.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

And he's like, this. This is bad. But we can't have this happen right now. Joey would have stood up. What are you gonna do about it?

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah. Yeah. Doink. But the reason I ask is I noticed your first couple years in. In New York, you had Roger Nielsen, and if. If I'm not mistaken, he was one of the first guys to start using video and. And how to break down stuff for the players in the locker room. Did you kind of, like, take that from him?

[Joey Kosher]

No, I. Honestly, I don't know how I took it. I. I wanted to stay when I retired, stay with the team, and Kenny Holland gave me that opportunity. But with. With Roger, we had a little bit of video, but it was still so, so new. I mean, you were going from VHS to vhs. By the time I was doing it, it was digital, so it was much easier for. For us to figure out. Plus, I had people helping me too. I wasn't doing this on my own. I worked with Barry Smith and Dave Lewis on all the video we did.

[Keith Yandle]

But was it pretty cool, you know, having Roger Nielsen as a coach and like, what was it like, you know, getting coached by him?

[Joey Kosher]

He was good. He was a really good coach. Real smart coach. Detail oriented. Detail oriented. And I don't. I just. He was there and he. We were successful, but I don't know if him and Mess had a little bit of A. A falling out. Because when mess came, I think Roger. That was probably the end of Roger.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Oh, and for a guy like you and somebody who played the way you did, it seems that there's not a ton of, like, headbutting with coaches because they respect so much of how you're going out and doing your job. But Scotty Bowman and Mike Keenan are guys that would get into it, I think, a little bit with players for you. Did you ever have any maybe fuck you matches or anything like that with those guys?

[Joey Kosher]

Well, with Keenan, for sure. Keenan. Keenan called me to his office one day to vent. Cause he knew if he vented to me that I'd stand up to him and I'd go back to the locker room and. And let the boys know. But it got to the point where he got up and walked out of his office and I was there sitting by myself because he didn't want to listen to me anymore. But for Scotty, no, Scotty was. Scotty wasn't like that. Scotty kept you on your toes. He was never really a yeller, but you never knew if he was going to say good morning to you or walk by and not say a word. He just kept you on edge all the time. And to me, he was the best coach that I ever had. I absolutely love him and can't thank him enough for all the opportunities he gave me.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

When you talk about the thing with Keenan, like, what was it about, like, your play or like. Because I'm just curious what he was actually picking on you for, even though you'd give it right back to him.

[Joey Kosher]

Well, he pulled the whole team off practice one day, and I think this was in the playoffs, and basically said, our team's a piece of shit. We're not working hard enough. And I was lazy out there and I wasn't doing the drills right, and I just started giving me F bombs right back. And he got up and walked out. I'm sitting there with the two assistant coaches, and Colin Campbell was one of them. He looks at me, says, do you think you won? I'm like, I'm the only one here. Yeah, I beat him. He's gone.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

It's my office now.

[Joey Kosher]

I go into locker room and I've got to talk to the boys and let them know what Mike was saying. So now that fires them up. And that's just the way he did it. And it works.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I think it's pretty cool when we've talked to the.

[Joey Kosher]

The.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

The Rangers on that team, how the. The madness after, because you were you were up 3:1, right then Vancouver won two of the games. And then Keenan made the decision, or maybe mess to go up. Was it like upstate New York, you guys went and spent a couple days instead of being in the city? Was. Was that not what you did before game seven, or am I misremembering that?

[Joey Kosher]

I don't. I don't. I don't remember that. I don't think so.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Did we know we were.

[Keith Yandle]

No, I think it was the opposite. He was like, fuck that. He's like, this is our house.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

This is.

[Keith Yandle]

You're right, the opposite. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We were.

[Joey Kosher]

We were up 3:1 going home. The parade route was already set. Everyone knew what was going on. And we start the game out, oh, shit, we're down three, nothing right away. And then we tied it up three three. And then they won. They got three in the third to go up six three. And I think we go to Vancouver and get blown out the next game. So it was. It was a hell of a run. But when you've got that, like, we had seven, eight or nine ex Oilers who had all won the Stanley Cup. They're the ones that calmed it down because they knew how to win. And you learn from guys like that. And I was lucky enough to learn from them. And then I was able to pass that along to the guys in Detroit

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

when I went there, having played for the Rangers and just, you know, we had good teams. We lost in the Eastern Conference finals. The one year. Just the support you get and everything. But the biggest thing I remember is in the trainer's room, there's two huge photos of you guys during the parade and people hanging out of the windows and throwing papers. Like, what was that? That whole run like? And then that day specifically, like, how incredible was that?

[Joey Kosher]

Yeah, the run was amazing. Even going into game six in Jersey when we're down three to two and Messiah guaranteeing the win. Stefan Mato scored two double overtime goals in that series against the Devils. I believe that was Marty's first year. Was that his rookie year as a goaltender? Marty Brodur? I think it was, yeah. Might have been. And then the. The championship, going to City hall, doing the speech, the. What was it called?

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Canyon of Heroes.

[Joey Kosher]

I think it was Canyon of Champions. There's. There's people 20, 30, 40 stories up, sitting outside their window with their feet dangling over the edges, throwing all this ticker tape down. I. I don't know how people don't get injured on that, but it was. That's. I got video of that that's something I will never forget. It was really cool.

[Keith Yandle]

Did you guys lose the cup, too?

[Joey Kosher]

That.

[Keith Yandle]

When you guys were celebrating?

[Joey Kosher]

I didn't.

[Keith Yandle]

No. I. I thought Glenn Healey was saying that him and, like, Kiprios lost it or something like that.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Oh, yeah.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I had my ring.

[Keith Yandle]

Like, they, like. And they fell back because they're like, fuck. We didn't even really do anything to win the thing compared to the other guys. We're the ones who lost.

[Joey Kosher]

Could. It could be. I actually. That was the last year before they had a keeper of the copy. We used to.

[Keith Yandle]

That's why they got it.

[Joey Kosher]

We. That's not totally. I had to go to the airport to pick up the cup. It's coming around on the baggage claim. I get the case out. I open up the case, grab the cup. The top is broken from the bottom. I had gotten the cup from the owner of the Rangers, and he sent me a broken cup. So what does a smart farm boy do? I bought some silver solder and I soldered it back together, and it lasted for another. Another month or two. And then next year, they got to keep for the Cup.

[Keith Yandle]

That is unbelievable. You know how to stan the cup?

[Joey Kosher]

Yeah, just. Just tacked it in about seven places. You could barely see it, but it held the cup on.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

What's the matter?

[Keith Yandle]

Did you ever talk to the owner about it and say, hey, you sent me a broken cup?

[Joey Kosher]

I know. I. I didn't want to tell anyone that I fixed it, so I didn't want to know it was broken.

[Keith Yandle]

That is so good. That is so good.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Send the League of Bill.

[Keith Yandle]

So here it is. Here. G wrote in the chat, him and Kriprios lost the cup, and they found it 15 blocks away a few hours later with a bunch of Irish dudes.

[Joey Kosher]

That makes sense.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

It was Brian Noonan.

[Keith Yandle]

What's even crazier is that you as a teammate have never heard that story. That is crazy. That's so funny. We gotta talk because they're such trash buckets now, and they were the worst home team all season long. We gotta tell a few more stories so these Rangers fans can get a little bit of, you know, a little bit of love in their life.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Any.

[Keith Yandle]

Anything else you can remember? Like, you talked about the Oilers guys kind of stepping up in the room and calming things down. Was there, like, a speech in particular? Obviously, you know, if you want to talk even about the guarantee by Messi, he said that everybody kind of found out from the newspapers and the bus on the way back for pregame skate So I guess just break down that run there.

[Joey Kosher]

Yeah, you know what that was, that series, I believe it was game. Oh, I can't remember what game, but that's when Keenan benched Brian Leach in one of the games. Our. Our best hockey player we have. And he didn't play him for like the last two periods against New Jersey. So that little, little fire under us too. And that might have been. Might have been game four when he benched him. But I think Mass guaranteeing that win, he didn't mean in that way. When I talked to him, I wasn't trying to be Joe Namath and do that. What else are you going to say? They asked him if you're going to win, he says, yeah, we're going to win. Of course we're going to win. Well, you get the New York media, you guys know that, and they turn that into whatever they want to turn it into. So that, that actually probably calmed us down. But I think in that game as well, we might have been down one or two goals and had to come back and win that game, Game six as well.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

So that wasn't like. Because back then everyone had the newspapers out reading, right? Like when you got on the bus, it was mess like, ah, fuck. Sorry boys. Didn't mean to put some more pressure on you guys.

[Joey Kosher]

No, I think he, from talking to him, he was a little unsure what to say in the cab to the rink, but when he got on the bus, he was like, yeah, I meant to say that let's do this. Like he, where he took, he took full responsibility and said, let's just get this thing done. And he did score a hat trick in the third period.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Yeah, I mean that, that team was just so loaded. I mean, was, was Tekken in there too?

[Joey Kosher]

Yeah, we got Tekken in the trade that or that year. Anyway, that, that is probably one of the only teams ever to win a Stanley cup that their leading scorer in the regular season was a defenseman and their leading scorer in the playoffs was the other defenseman.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah, Zuboff.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Zubov, yeah.

[Joey Kosher]

Zubov led the let our team during the regular season and Lychee led our team in the, in the playoffs. That's a pretty good stat.

[Keith Yandle]

People don't know that was his first full year in the NHL the year, the year before he played 49 games. Maybe he got injured, but I mean, such a young D man to come in and do that. Were you guys like, fuck what? Like, this guy's incredible.

[Joey Kosher]

He was, he was so talented, so skilled and there's another guy that he would smoke between periods as well.

[Keith Yandle]

Oh yeah, for sure he was a smoke, but he.

[Joey Kosher]

He was so damn good.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I have a vivid memory because I've told. Told on the pod before that the Rangers run. Your guys run in 94. I was 11. It was like my re. Like becoming a super fan of the game. And in game seven, Zubov to Leech, D to D for a goal. And it was like below the. The face off dots too. Like looking back, it's like that's how offensive they were. They were kind of all over the place. It looked like a center to a winger. And it was the two leading scoring D men like down low in game seven. I don't know if it was the first goal, but I'm sure you remember.

[Joey Kosher]

I think, I think it was the first goal. Yeah, I think it was first goal.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Yeah.

[Joey Kosher]

They. They were so skilled and so talented. And then guys like Kovalev who wanted. It was like his first or second year too. He was, he was a superstar as well.

[Keith Yandle]

I could only imagine, like you talked about Leech and, and Keenan's relationship. Like, would him and Zubov get into it at all? Because offensive D, man, you gotta imagine Keenan, a couple bad pinches. He's fucking losing his melon.

[Joey Kosher]

I don't think he didn't bother the Russians too much other than Kovalev on that one, one play. But nothing bothered. Nothing bothered Zubi, nothing bothered Lychee. The fact that he was bench pissed everybody else off on the ice because I don't care what he does, he can make up for it. And Keenan was just flexing his muscles at that point. And we had. We couldn't say in much about it at that time, but I guess we could say it worked because we, we won the. The cup that year.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Imagine how good Zubov and Leech would be nowadays with like the freedom that D men have. It would be a joke.

[Joey Kosher]

And maybe put Nick Lindstrom with them too. I had some pretty good demon that I got to play with.

[Keith Yandle]

Jesus. Yeah. Well, I was just going to talk more about Zubov because Yan's was saying like, rarely back then would. Would a guy get the green light to like make a move at the blue line where you're seeing like. Like Lane Hudson's coming in like first shift of the. You know, first. His first game he's ever playing. He's doing jukes at the blue line. Was that kind of how Zubi was where, where you guys would go out on him and he'd be like, whoop, make a mess. Like, was it fun to watch like an and one mixtape tour hot sauce going at it?

[Joey Kosher]

He was. He was so smooth and he wasn't scared of making a mistake and he didn't make very many, but yeah, he did. He did a lot of stuff at the blue line that most defensemen wouldn't do. I mean, the other guys like Jay Wells and Jeff Bukaboom and Douglidster, they weren't doing that stuff at the blue line. They were getting it antique.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Who was your lot? Like, who were you playing with mostly on your line in that run?

[Joey Kosher]

Probably Nemchinov and Mac McCavish. Mackie.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Okay. And Mac T. No bucket. It was just wild to look back and see the final face off, right? Or. Or one of the. One of the face offs. I think it was mess was the final one, but I don't know, I

[Joey Kosher]

might have been Mac T that took that final draw.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Okay, but like, is he the only guy in the league then with no bucket still?

[Joey Kosher]

I believe so. I think he was the last, last one of the dinosaurs to not wear a bucket.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

And people say that he'd like, still like, he'd like headbutt guys with helmets on too.

[Joey Kosher]

I don't know.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Didn't he say that like he put it on at one point and then guys sticks were coming up. So then he took it back off.

[Keith Yandle]

I think he got hit. First game, first practice, he did it. He got like stitches in his chin. He's like this back helmet, back off.

[Joey Kosher]

Well, you know what? When you see a guy without a helmet, you are a lot more careful on the ice and that's. Maybe they should all take him off today in today's game and get rid of all that high sticking and chippiness.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

I think Richter too, on that team doesn't get enough or the credit that he deserves with how good he played. I mean, he was obviously an amazing goalie, but that's that whole playoff run. He was incredible.

[Joey Kosher]

Yeah, Richter is one of the greatest goalies that I ever played with. And then right after that he goes and wins the. The World World cup or whatever for us to do that the next year too. So he, he was a. I don't know how he didn't play longer. He was always in great shape. He wasn't one of the goalies that were on the larger size, but he was, he was a true superstar on our team.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

So you finish, you end up with a quick stop, maybe a trade to Vancouver the next year and Then you go back to Detroit. Now, for you, it must have been like, all right, they haven't won yet. I've kind of been through the battle and seen what it takes. You already mentioned you could help those guys out. You had to be so excited going back there and now understanding, like, what it takes to win with that roster.

[Joey Kosher]

Vancouver didn't resign me, so I was back in Michigan here, living, working out, trying to get in, stay in shape to play. I didn't get a contract, so I was actually playing on the Red Wing alumni team, and I was playing beer league hockey at the time and happened to go down to a game in November when Chicago was in town. And I saw Probie after the game, and I told probie, next time you come to Detroit, act up a little bit. Make sure they know that they got to get a little tougher for the rest of the season. And he did. And the next day, Scotty Bowman called my agent and said, tell Joe to go down to the minors and get in shape. Wow. And I went down and played six games in San Antonio, came back at Christmas, and Scotty called me up and said, you staying here for the rest of the year? Holy shit. Probably got me back in the. Back in the game.

[Keith Yandle]

Chest dog checkers, eh? Holy shit. When the fuck did that idea come to your head?

[Joey Kosher]

When. When I ran into him after the game.

[Keith Yandle]

That's.

[Joey Kosher]

I mean, I just said. I just casually mentioned it. But then to add to the story, my second game back was in Chicago Stadium, and I dropped the gloves three minutes in with Probie. We had a fight. I land on top of him, and I looked down at him, I said, probie, thanks for getting me back in the league. And, you know, he was. He just, hey, no problem, big boy. And that was it.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

That's amazing.

[Keith Yandle]

That is unbelievable.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

You didn't let him beat you up?

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

No. I do find it hilarious that, like, the Detroit guys, when they heard, they're probably like, thanks a lot for that one game.

[Keith Yandle]

You told them to run around before you were back.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Goalies.

[Joey Kosher]

I didn't tell him for a while.

[Keith Yandle]

They're gonna find out now. He's gonna be getting phone calls. You piece of shit.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I got ran from behind that game, but so they actually. They didn't have much muscle then, though. Like, you went to the game, you could tell. Hey, all right, well, I know I can add something here, and. And it worked out, but I wonder why. I wonder why Scotty that year hadn't. Hadn't had anything like you in the lineup before. Before he signed you?

[Joey Kosher]

I don't know. They, they. They were team tough. There's no question there. McCarty was there. Marty Lapointe was there. Brennan Shanahan was there. Defense, Bob Rouses pretty strong. I just think they needed maybe a missing piece that just maybe a little bit of fear for the other team. But when I went there my first practice, Scotty called me into the room and he says, I don't want you fighting it anymore. And I was confused about that. But his, his thought was, as long as I'm on the bench, he can send me out there. If I'm in the penalty box, he doesn't control me. And it made sense, though. So I got a chance to play the join the grind line with malt and Drapes, and we had a. We had a hell of a run together.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

When you went down to San Antonio, did like some poor guy in the IHL did. Did you have to beat a couple guys up down there just to remember how it felt?

[Joey Kosher]

I. I did. I had to. I think it might have been the Robert twins or brothers or something. I'd. I did have to try do a little bit down there just to make sure I wasn't embarrassing myself when I came back.

[Keith Yandle]

Were those guys hungry, though, to get you on the resume? They were probably like, yeah. Well, no. You talk about those twins, they must have been scrappers their whole time, right? Like to. Sometimes you think, oh, they'd be afraid, but sometimes they're like, oh, it's like an honor to get to go toe to toe with coach.

[Joey Kosher]

Yeah, they. There was no problem. They didn't turn me down at all. So I was. That was good. But it's, it's unique if you've never been to a place like San Antonio. There they were salesmen in between periods, intermissions, selling guys Cowboys boots. It's just so relayed back and relaxed. Your guys would take their skates off and try on cowboy boots before the second period.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Me and Whit both played there.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I played there. It was awesome. That's where I fell in love with golf. You get healthy scratch in the H. Oh, all right. I got a new thing that I love now and. And I love. It was a lot of fun. It was a cool arena and a good spot. I mean, they still have a team, right? Are they still in the hl?

[Joey Kosher]

No, I was the. I was San Antonio Dragons. I think it was the Eye.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Okay, it was the Eye then. But I'm wondering. So you're not there. The year before Lemieux Buries, drapes from behind. They lose a heartbreaker to the ABs, the ABs win the cup, then the ABs win the President's Trophy. You're in town now in Detroit, and you meet up in the conference finals. It's like it's now or never. Now, they'd already had the brawl, I believe, Right. That was in March, maybe before the playoffs. So that probably helped out a lot going into the series against them. Like, we've already stood up to them, we've gotten a little bit of retribution, but we got to take them out. Now. What were your memories of the brawl and of that Western conference final in 97?

[Joey Kosher]

Well, I know the brawl brought the team together, and probably one of the best parts about the brawl, I'm not saying because I missed it. I was, I was sick that day. But the team that, the team that they had at the time was a team that stood up to Colorado, they didn't bring in a hired gun to help out. McCarty did it. The team just got all kinds of confidence after that. And not only people, I think they won that game. And Mac might have scored in overtime in that game, but they, they got all the confidence and they got the monkey off their back because Claude Lemieux was talk of the town for way too long. Once that was over, we could concentrate just on playing the game and, and that's what we were able to do.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Mack must have been a treat to see in the locker room as a young guy.

[Joey Kosher]

He, Mack was awesome. And he, and he still is. I, I probably see him two or three times a week. We golf together, play a lot of hockey together. He's, he's a great friend as well.

[Keith Yandle]

That's awesome.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

He dropping off some of that special stuff he has from his.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah, you smoke a few bowls with

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

him because he's got the red.

[Joey Kosher]

I don't, I, I, I smell it all the time. But I, that's, I like my beer and stuff. I don't, I don't do that stuff.

[Keith Yandle]

Did you ever have a chance to go watch his band play? Because I believe when he was playing in the NHL at one point in the summers, he would also tour with his buddies and they would go around and sing. Did you ever get a chance to go watch one of his shows?

[Joey Kosher]

We saw it a couple times. He yells loud. He's not a musician at all. I love Mac, but, I mean, he's always trying something new. He's wrestling now. He's got, he tries.

[Keith Yandle]

We're going to be tag team partners. The weed Boys, I, I, I mean,

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

you were in New York, it's 54 years. You get the cup, the fans, the experience you talked about, I think it was around 40, 45 years since Detroit had won. Right. So you get to experience these two original six teams that are breaking curses, I guess you could call it. And then like the euphoria after, I mean, what was Detroit and Hockeytown like after that first one, which was a sweep too. So it made it even, even probably a little, a little nicer. Just like, not much stress in that cup final for you guys.

[Joey Kosher]

No, actually we were, we were underdogs in that cup final. They, everybody had picked the Legion of Doom to beat us out. And yeah, that was, that was a sweep. I mean, the, the city was just electric. I know back in the day, everyone have those flags hanging outside of their cars and it was all Red Wings. I mean, there was no other sports team that anyone even knew of in Detroit at that time. And to win the Stanley cup there, have the parade there. But then we had it cut short real quickly with, with the car accident, which made it very, very tough time. But as much as we could celebrate, we did.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

And going, going back to that series, we had Johnny LeClaire on years ago and he, it was him, Renberg and Lindros and the Legion of Doom, he mentioned it was Lidstrom and Murphy, like, not even physical guys, just positionally and sticks. And it was, those two were so good together. Like, that line didn't really get much going because of, of basically them. And I don't know if a forward line was matched up against them, but that deep pair was just incredible. You must have seen it every day in practice.

[Joey Kosher]

Yeah, yeah. Nick Lindstrom is arguably the best pure defenseman ever to play the game. Nothing against Mr. Orr. He was the greatest offensive. But yeah, Nick, you couldn't get around Nick. And the good thing with, with like Scotty again is Scotty didn't have one line on them. The grind line. We were on them probably half a dozen shifts a game. He just kept making different changes for people, but he made sure that whatever forwards were on them were big and heavy. Whether it was Shanny or Mack or Malt, Maltby, Lapointe. The defense he didn't care about. He just wanted the big heavy forwards to be able to slow them down. Because back, back in those days, you could hook onto somebody and they weren't getting by and you weren't getting penalty. So that's zone too.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

You're just like riding them like a Water skin.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah.

[Joey Kosher]

So that's why Nick and Murph never got hit, because we just. Just held on to them so they couldn't go anywhere.

[Keith Yandle]

Well, did. Did you ever see Nick Lindstrom, like, get fired up? He seems like a guy who was always just calm. Like, not too high, not too low. Like the epitome of it. Like, was there any time you ever saw him, got really fired up? I would imagine that the coaching staff never had to talk to him.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

The perfect man.

[Joey Kosher]

You never. Nobody ever had to talk to him. And I never once saw him lose his cool, get mad, ever. I mean, that's. That's pretty impressive. But no, he was always, Always right on point.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Imagine 22 years, Keith, and not having, like, a meeting with the coach. Like,

[Keith Yandle]

22 days, man. No getting called Twitter this. And none of it was even hockey related, for fuck's sakes.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

He is just.

[Keith Yandle]

Oh, my God. It's.

[Joey Kosher]

Who.

[Keith Yandle]

Who was like, who do you. Who did he look up to? Like, did you ever have any conversation? Where did he learn how to be that type of guy?

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Jesus.

[Joey Kosher]

Bore. You probably right. Boris Solomon was probably the best Swedish

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

player ever, but he was a psychopath out there. He'd be running people and, like, fighting like they weren't exactly the same type player.

[Joey Kosher]

Yeah, Bori was pretty smooth. He finishes.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

No, I know, I know.

[Joey Kosher]

Yeah.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Yeah, he was.

[Joey Kosher]

He was good. So. Well, you know, Nick. Nick and Stevie and. And Sergey and Igor, they were all the same type of players. Like, really smart, good, talented. They probably had their own meetings. I don't know. I wasn't in those meetings. I was a. I was a Maltby Draper in McCarty. Having our own meetings in the bar or something.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Lidstrom's one of those guys. Every team that plays against them, they get, hey, we gotta get hits on five. We gotta make them feel uncomfortable, but. But no one could. I never saw him get lined up or get hit in a vulnerable spot. He was just always in the perfect position.

[Joey Kosher]

Yeah, no, he saw the ice so well. But again, to that point is if somebody was coming in on him, there was two wingers holding onto that guy to slow him down so he never got hit. If. If Nick got hit when I was on the ice, I would be in so much trouble. So we. We had to protect him all the time.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Was there a local, like, pub or watering hole you guys would go to after games? Did you have your spot, like, in Detroit to. To have a couple post game beers?

[Joey Kosher]

Probably not. Not so much in the 90s because everyone's spread out. We'd have beer in the locker room after back in the players lounge. But then everyone had their wives at the games and most of us would have babysitters at home. So Maybe in the 80s was a little different. When we were all much younger and single we'd always have places to go after games or practices. But when I was in my 30s we'd we'd have a cup of beer and head home with our wives.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Can you tell the story and it's in the notes here about right before you got called up when you chipped your hand on Jim Playfair's teeth and almost lost your arm because of it.

[Joey Kosher]

Oh the so the Jim Playfair fight was a little different than the one that I had my surgery on. I was actually I think it's in Halifax out on the east coast playing in the minors and it was a Saturday night game and it was Jim Playfair that I fought and after the game coach called me into his office, said, you are getting called up to Detroit going up with Eddie Mio. So Eddie Mio and I jumped in the airplane flew to Toronto. Ironically in Toronto I got to meet Wayne Gretzky and Dave Semanco as they were making a going through the airport and Eddie Mio had played with them. So I got a chance to say hi to them on my way to Detroit. I get to the rink the next morning and my hand was swollen up real bad and I go out for pregame skate in the morning. Couldn't even put a glove on it because it was so swollen. And the coach at the time said listen, I just want you sitting on the bench tonight. You don't have to have a shift. I want them to know you're here. I'm like my first game, I'll do it. Problem was the trainer looked at it took me right to the hospital and I had emergency surgery by 5 o' clock or they said another few hours. I lost my arm because of the bad infection from from, from a tooth but they got it up and while I don't think the tooth was in there but they didn't clean it up before they stitched it up and I had it stitched up for two days before the doctor could see it.

[Keith Yandle]

So I did the same thing. I mine was a bar fight. Remember I told you guys about that when I got infected mine probably could have gotten infected also by the captain Morgan. I try to clean it out with but that how long were you in the hospital for? I had to spend a Full week in the hospital. I think I lost like, like 15 pounds.

[Joey Kosher]

Yeah, I was, I was in the hospital for two weeks on, on a morphine drip for a while. And then, then they, when I got out, they sent me back to the Miners to get in shape and I was, I came back probably about two months later to, to make my, my debut in the league.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Thank God that happened while you were in the NHL.

[Keith Yandle]

What year was. Oh, that was early days.

[Joey Kosher]

That would have been 84, 85.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Yeah, Keith, that's a good point what you just said.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Yeah, like, thank God that happened while you were in the NHL because you never know in the ahl. The, you know, doctors are a little different. So that, that was a blessing to be up in the NHL getting that surgery.

[Joey Kosher]

Oh, it was. It's probably the only reason I have my hand today is because, I mean, you guys know, we got stitched up. It was in the locker room laying on the, on the table and they didn't do a good job of cleaning it. And then we'd have been on probably a week long road trip from bus to bus. Yeah, it would, it would have probably been a different scenario if I wasn't in Detroit at the time.

[Keith Yandle]

Jesus.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Oh my God.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Was. So did you have surgery from that or was that a different story? You were saying that you, it was that the surgery. You ended up needing surgery on it or just like, oh yeah, okay, yeah,

[Joey Kosher]

they had to open it up and leave it, leave it open for a week. Just air it out and get all the, all the infection out of it.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Biz would have poured pink Whitney on it. Nowadays. Pinkies up.

[Keith Yandle]

No, that a. Same, same thing. They opened it up and they put like, like gauze in it. Like, like and they, I think they like ghost something like, like stuff that would help with the infection. And every day they would have to come and like clean that gauze out. Gauze out, clean it back out and then repack it again. Like it's a process, man. It's a pain in the ass.

[Joey Kosher]

Yeah, it was, it was, it was, it was tough. But you know what, what we had to do.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah. It's weird too, when it gets so swollen. It feels like you're like it's coming through your skin and just the throbbing of it, like it's. And you can't even like move your fingers because you're so swollen. So it's, it's pretty wild. What was it like your last year? It looks like you played about half the amount of games. Like what, what, what, what was it like kind of saying goodbye to the game.

[Joey Kosher]

It. It was tough. I was having some back problems. I had had hernia surgery. I think I probably had it in the off season. So I was coming back from that. I was going to a chiropractor. I was going to acupuncturist. I did everything I could to do it, but the thing was I could play a game, but I couldn't practice and then play. And I figured if I'm not practicing, I can't be playing anyway. So it was tough to say goodbye to the game. I was lucky enough to get to stick around with the team and become that video coach and stay with my buddies and then coach behind the bench for two years. I don't. I kind of wished I'd have chased that a little longer, but it was. I was. I had my time up in hockey and once I got done coaching, I got to coach my son for about 15 years, so it was all worth that too.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

And Wendell was on that team too, so it must have been cool to finish with him.

[Joey Kosher]

Yeah, we got that one year. We got Wendell. And Shelley came that year as well. Sorry, my phone is ringing right now.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Another legendary demon you played with.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

It's one of your old teammates, that it?

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah, they're.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

They're hacked in. They heard that you had Probie run around that game. They're already calling you.

[Keith Yandle]

He said he put it in his book. That's where everyone found out. What.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

That's okay.

[Joey Kosher]

Yeah, it's in my. It's in the Bruce Brothers book about that story. But evidently people don't read that book very much, I guess.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah, yeah. New York Times bestseller. A. Is there any stories from that book that, like, we didn't ask you about that you would say are some of your, like, your funniest ones. Like, what.

[Joey Kosher]

What.

[Keith Yandle]

What's one that you're like, you can think up off the top of your head that we didn't ask you about. You're like, oh, I gotta tell this one?

[Joey Kosher]

No, I think. I think the Stanley cup, soldering it back together was one of. One of them. You know what? Some of the Stanley cup parties, once the keeper of the cup, they created that job, we won a couple more cups, and they would come to my farm in Kelvington where mom and dad were, and we'd have a bonfire there, an all night bonfire. Now you get the cup. There's a curfew for the Cup. Back when we had it, you just got to keep it. One year, I think it was 98. When we, we raised the banner in Detroit before the season, I looked at the keeper of the cup and I said, what's. What do you got going on for the cup tonight? He goes, nothing. I said, can I take it with me? He says, sure, but you got to have it at the Illich's Little Caesars building tomorrow morning at 8 o'. Clock. So I'm like, fair enough. I grabbed the cup, I start driving home, I start making a few phone calls, take it to my local watering bar, Lutman's Tavern. And we filled the bar up with everyone came, we drank all night there. 7:00 in the morning, I had to drive it to the Ilitch's Little Caesars, dropped the cup off, then went downtown to practice. Slept in the stick room for a couple hours and had a awful practice because I was not feeling good.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

What about the story, and we've kind of heard it before a little bit, but of the. The biker gang bar fight with Kelly Chase and Wendell Clark. Like is there any memory there? Any memories of that one?

[Joey Kosher]

It. I don't, I didn't remember that it was a biker gang, but it was at the Karoki Bar back home.

[Keith Yandle]

I thought it was a rugby team.

[Joey Kosher]

No, they would never be players. That could be a Chaser story that I wasn't part of. But no, the Wendell, the Chaser one was. That's when Wendell was first drafted. And he, listen, he was awesome player, but he was also our little brother that we always had to watch out for. We couldn't let him get hurt. And I think we were in the bar and we thought he was getting picked on while his brother Don and Chaser and me and Killer Kaminsky, we all had to jump in and, and evidently he wasn't getting beat up. But we didn't know at the time, but we made sure we got those guys anyway in case they were even thinking about it. So just something I was reading your mind.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

You were thinking about making fun of him. Man to be sorry about that, but we were just protecting our guy.

[Joey Kosher]

Yeah.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

What is that? What's that hat you got? It looks like a hockey player holding two kids hands. Pretty cool lid.

[Joey Kosher]

Yeah, that's my foundation logo. I started the Joe foundation for children back in 2008 and we've been doing charity events and stuff ever since. It's, it's, it's been great. I learned from the very best. I learned from Mr. Ted Lindsay about giving back to the community and, and he taught me that. And I've been doing it since like I said, 08.

[Keith Yandle]

You think. You think the Wings are going to get it done? You think they're going to get in the play?

[Joey Kosher]

A month ago I did. Then they go into Buffalo and play best game of the year, and then we lose at home the other night. So I'm hoping. I'm hoping they do, but Phillies ate one and one in their last.

[Keith Yandle]

Right. Yeah, they're buzzing.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Yeah.

[Joey Kosher]

You know what? Little Caesars arena has never seen a playoff game. And I know if Wings could make it in that, that would just be so good for that building and so good for the team and. And so good for, well, Stevie and. And Dylan, the guys that haven't really been there in a while. So I'm hoping that they do. They still have time, but you can't make any more mistakes.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

What would. Did they have, like a closing of the Joe where everyone kind of came back? Because I think I can speak for all three of us. One of the best barns that we ever played in. So fun. And it was kind of one of the last old ones, too.

[Keith Yandle]

They used to have the towels that were like trash bags. Remember how bad their towels were?

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

And then during playoffs, only one shower head would be working. It'd be 20 guys.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

The boards were so bouncy. You put the puck. Lichen put the puck off the back of the. The net boards right to Holmstrom in the slot. You're like, what just happened?

[Joey Kosher]

Yeah, that was. That was a unique place. I mean, the real good thing about that place compared to the new one is they only had one room to go to, like the Alumni Room or whatever it was called downstairs. So everybody got to see everybody. The new buildings, especially those Caesars has so many different clubs that the fans aren't all together as one as much. And Joe Louis arena, it was when it. When it was playoff time and there was no place better. There was no place better. And there was some quirks with the rink or in the locker rooms or. I don't know if you heard right before the Colorado series, the one year Scotty decided to have the visitors room painted right the day before just to make sure it really stunk for those guys. Yeah. Or I think it was actually in 88, when we're playing the Oilers, when Jacques De Maris had them shut the. The ice machine off so there's water on the ice to slow those guys down a little bit. Nesting Gretz and the boys, too. So they always tried something different.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

In Detroit, they used to have the high benches Biz. Remember the high benches? Your legs would.

[Keith Yandle]

Oh, I know. Oh, I know. I wouldn't even get to sit on that one because they were so tight. I think that the away bench would have about five fewer feet. So I was kind of just in everybody's way. So I would sit where the goalie

[Joey Kosher]

sat on a stool over by the door.

[Keith Yandle]

Hey, you guys need a piece of pizza? No.

[Joey Kosher]

You good?

[Keith Yandle]

Okay. I'll just shut the up over here. Yeah, that was my job. But what a. Like, that was one of the coolest things is getting to go to, like, old school barns like that. Like, you know, to get to say I played there or at least bag skated there was. Was pretty cool. And then, like. And then I would be healthy scratch. Most of the time I would go up into the crowd and I'd get to see that soup go to work. So that must. We didn't really talk about him at all. Like, holy shit, man. He would use those boards like a fucking pool table out there.

[Joey Kosher]

Yeah. Actually seen Holly this week at. With Chaser's event. Holly. Holly claims that Pavel's the most talented player he ever played with. That. And Holly had Craig Janney. He had Adam Oates. But Pavel was something very special.

[Keith Yandle]

We can't thank you enough for doing this. This has been awesome. Sorry.

[Joey Kosher]

Thank you, guys.

[Keith Yandle]

After the game the other night, we. We were at the Chaser event, and I went. Ended up going upstairs for 90 minutes. And I know I said I was gonna come meet you and we would talk about some stories, and I didn't. And you looked pretty pissed off when we. When we got back, when we got on here, I was like, oh, no, I don't want to be in this guy's doghouse.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

You're like, look, I have a Wendell. I have a Wendell sheet of metal jersey behind me.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Yeah.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I love you, Joey. I love to catch one.

[Keith Yandle]

He's looking at the back of my head right now.

[Joey Kosher]

Oh, I see that. No, I see it. That's cool.

[Keith Yandle]

Oh, yeah, so I. I got that they. They honored them at. Is it. Was it the Easter Seals event?

[Joey Kosher]

Yeah, I do a lot of those Easter Seals events.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah, it was my first one and I was blown away, like, such a good cause. And yeah, I would be honored to go every year. And this was the first year Christine Simpson asked me, and then she's like, wendell's getting. I didn't know what it was about, but they said, wendell's getting on her. And I said, I'm going. So I got to pick that bad boy.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

How much do you think he paid for that?

[Keith Yandle]

It was a.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

For charity. Yes, he had to pay.

[Joey Kosher]

Is that. Is that metal?

[Keith Yandle]

It's metal. Welded. Metal Maple Leafs welded together to make the shines.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

He got it signed.

[Keith Yandle]

Wendell to sign it. Top cheese here.

[Joey Kosher]

All right. How about 10 grand?

[Keith Yandle]

Wow. I got a deal.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

You got a five grand?

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Yeah. He knows how much Wendell's autograph's worth.

[Keith Yandle]

That's true.

[Joey Kosher]

Oh, yeah.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

When you bought it, it wasn't signed, right?

[Keith Yandle]

No, no, I said that. That was part of the deal. I said he's got to sign it.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Yeah.

[Keith Yandle]

What a legend.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

This has been great, man. We appreciate it. Incredible career. I mean, all.

[Keith Yandle]

One more rollback question.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Okay, perfect.

[Keith Yandle]

What was it like to get to play junior in. In your. Your home province and, like, just like, be able to represent the Saskatoon Blades for a few years? Like, that must have been incredible.

[Joey Kosher]

Yeah. Saskatoon was such a great city. They had that real old barn, too, that you used to have out there. And. And we had some good teams. We had some really skilled players. We had. Dave Brown was on. On Saskatoon as well, and we. We had a really good team, but we lost in the playoffs to Lethbridge team that had the Sutter Brothers and Troy Loney and Ken Reagan and. And lot of. Lot of good players there, too. But, yeah, playing junior hockey in Saskatoon especially, my parents would come to almost every home game, drive up. It was pretty special. Yeah.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Have you ever thought about how many fights you actually might have had? Like, it could be 400, 500. Have you ever actually thought about that? Is that a stupid question?

[Joey Kosher]

Great question. No, no. Whoever did our book, Bruce Brothers has the amount of fights I had in the regular season. But then you've got to bring.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Not including Junior, right?

[Joey Kosher]

And not including Junior, not including the bar, not including all those.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

What was the number in the regular season NHL?

[Keith Yandle]

I'd be like, always, empty net, goal empty that goal stat. You got like 90, 95 empty netters off the ice.

[Joey Kosher]

I honestly, I think it's in the 200s, but I don't. I haven't looked at it a while. You know, I'd guess I probably 500 fights in my life.

[Keith Yandle]

Would it be easy to say the one where you landed on Probert and said, thanks for getting me back in the league, and then you got two cups. Was that your most memorable?

[Joey Kosher]

That? Well, that one. And then Jim Kite fight. Because Jim fight kite.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Good night, Jim.

[Joey Kosher]

Notoriety where people started to stay away from me a little bit. But yeah, getting back in the league and winning two cups with Detroit after the probie fight was. Would be the top one. I agree.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

That was the Good night Jim Kite biz.

[Keith Yandle]

Oh, my God. I forgot about that. I can't believe I didn't ask you that. I. I dropped that line one time during an interview on a red carpet when I was with Claude Giroux at the, like, the awards and people were going crazy. So, like, how many people would that just be? What people yelled at you on the streets and after that?

[Joey Kosher]

I think a little bit, but that's probably like 1988. There was no. No cell phones, no cameras. I mean, it was. It's a newspaper. There's no espn. There's no highlights anywhere. So the only place people would see something like that is videotapes that people made and all pirated guys that sold all our fights for made money. And we didn't get nothing for it. Those guys. Whoa.

[Keith Yandle]

Oh. So people were cutting fight tapes and selling them, like, black market style.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Don Cherry Rock themselves.

[Keith Yandle]

I mean, you're, you're, you're saying even beyond that, like, people, people would just cut like, hours of, of like, just scrap tapes. Not, Not Don Cherry's Rock Em. Sock Em.

[Joey Kosher]

I bet you could go find them online right now if you had a VHS player. But yeah, back in the day, that's what people were buying them all the time.

[Keith Yandle]

What were they? Do you remember what they were called? Like, did they. Did one of the pirating guys, like, do it every single year?

[Joey Kosher]

Like, I don't. I don't. I don't remember what they were called, but. Hockey Brawls, hockey fights, all that stuff, you can find it probably anywhere. And you'll probably see a lot of fights you've never seen before.

[Keith Yandle]

Kosh is going after Kimbo Slice. Fucking Backyard Brawls back. It's called Backyard Barn Brawls with. With Joey Kosher.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

It's Saskatchewan farmland.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah. I think we got something here. We can make that money back for you.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

We could sell the right hook fish hooks at the events. I love it.

[Keith Yandle]

Dana White's in trouble. We got Backyard Barn Brawls with Joe Kosher. Oh, this is fun. We can't thank you enough, man.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Amazing.

[Joey Kosher]

Thank you guys so much. I appreciate y'. All.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

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[Keith Yandle]

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[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

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[Keith Yandle]

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[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Thank you very much to Joey Kosar. What a guy. Incredible career, that story. I mean, who knows if he wins

[Keith Yandle]

those other cups, two more cups after

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

because of Probi giving him a go.

[Ryan Whitney]

What a guy.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

By probably probing on just giving him a go, actually pumping the eyes shut of Detroit players just to get him back on the team. So that was awesome. Now it's time. I want to get some. I want to get some playoff thoughts, but from. From the rear here. So bring on. Bring on our buddy RA

[Joey Kosher]

Foreign.

[Ryan Whitney]

Welcome to our Ray's world here in the Spitting Chicklets podcast. The regular season is almost done. Playoffs are almost here. Cannot freaking wait. Very excited, boys. How's things going? Haven't seen you for a wee bit. How's everything shaking out?

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Going great. All right. Chilling in Secaucus. Nothing better.

[Keith Yandle]

I don't know if there's anyone more deserving of playoff hockey in Boston than the Rear Admiral Magic.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Seeing him go into the garden with his cane and you're like, oh, you

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

going to any games? Aar?

[Ryan Whitney]

I have. I haven't. I went to the Minnesota one and,

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

well, actually, they haven't started yet.

[Ryan Whitney]

I thought you meant in general. No, I'm not sure because I, I will now that you bring it up. I. I had put a request for another game, and they basically were like, no, we're kind of changing our standards. People doing stories on Deadline more and people who participate in, like, the press conferences. I was like, Like, I hadn't been to a game in months. I was laid up. I wasn't doing anything.

[Keith Yandle]

What do you mean? I asked Timmy Thomas a question when they won it back in 2010, so.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Oh, you got gas. Yeah.

[Ryan Whitney]

After 16 years, I have had a great relationship with him and I, I. It wasn't like a finale.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Oh, that's not a good sign for the group. That's not a good sign for the Bees.

[Ryan Whitney]

I. I didn't reply. I just was like, oh, okay. Like, I Literally hadn't asked for a game in months. And. And I haven't written gamers in years. I mean, you go. You obviously see the game at a different vantage point. And I've, you know, not everybody takes part in the. The, you know, press stuff after, so I was like, oh, okay. So I wasn't really sure how to take it, but. So I. I don't know if I'd have to move to our fans and then be like a, you know, rodeo clown to go sit in your box for the night, but we'll see what happens.

[Keith Yandle]

Well, I mean, you're. No, no. You know, slouch to being a mooch. Yeah. To be in a mooch. But if. If. If in order to get the tickets, you had to go down to the press conference and ask a few questions after every game, would you do it?

[Joey Kosher]

It.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah. Yeah. But it was just weird, I guess. Like, you know, they give you the guidelines before the season, and, you know, I don't know if they. They changed them during the season. I know there was other people that. That. Whose past they took away, but it's also sort of like they never cared about that before. I mean, maybe again, maybe someone's in charge and they're changing rules, but that's something like, basically that my boss or my bosses would, you know, would, like, be more concerned about than. Than the Bruins. Because I. I don't know. Like, you can. A lot of people go to those. Everybody scrum, don't ask a question. They get the answers, they use the answers there. And, you know, I mean, let's face it, you're not exactly getting, you know, Napoleon codes every game either. So, you know, I. I guess unless you're Columbus, it's. It's like biz. You know what I'm saying? It's like, oh. I mean, it's almost like, oh, here, jump. Jump this high. I mean, I write sporadically.

[Joey Kosher]

Yeah.

[Keith Yandle]

But RA like, let's get ahead of it. Like, if. If that's the criteria, why don't. Like, if we could somehow reach out to him and say, hey, why don't. Why don't we send RA in the mix and we'll be using these quotes and talking about it every single podcast and be proactive about it. The fact that they want maybe a little bit of work done for free tickets, I don't think that's the craziest criteria in the world.

[Ryan Whitney]

So let's just do just. I. I guess it just, like, sort of come out of left field again. I hadn't I was laid up. I. I didn't go to any games. I hadn't requested it. Just. I didn't realize, you know, that the standards.

[Keith Yandle]

This might be a sweep.

[Ryan Whitney]

All right.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I got season tickets. I'll take you to a game.

[Ryan Whitney]

We got 323. I got you, buddy. What?

[Keith Yandle]

I kind of still want them in the press scrums after the game in that room like.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

They don't want him, McGonagall.

[Keith Yandle]

Yes, they do. They do want him there.

[Ryan Whitney]

It.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

It's more than up.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

All right?

[Ryan Whitney]

You do absorb more just, you know, being around you, you know, you're not sticking a mic on the guy's face. I think, you know, being around watching, I. I certainly see the game way better in the press box than I do sitting here on my TV with, you know, your limited angles on one channel. So, yeah, I. It's like I said, there's not a beef or anything. It was just after all these years that kind of caught me off guard. Hopefully things will change. I'll reach out, but it was just, I. I just kind of caught me off guard.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

But not what you needed before the playoffs.

[Keith Yandle]

I didn't know we were going to have a therapy session. I feel terrible for you.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Marco Sturm should give you his tickets.

[Ryan Whitney]

It's about the boys wearing the jerseys and the coaches and all that. It's not, you know, it's not about, you know, I'm still going to root for the boys no matter what, so we'll see what happens either way. Quick shout out.

[Keith Yandle]

If they. If they lose the first couple games. I almost think that they got to reverse that decision.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Oh, let him play for game three. Yeah. He's got to be in the building.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Shoot him up with some Tortol. Get him in the building.

[Ryan Whitney]

What's that? I never heard that before. Shadow too, I mentioned last week. Dude, I don't know if you guys watched that splashdown from the rocket. I know. It was like a week ago. I made sure everybody watched it down the night's biz. These dudes were going 25,000 miles an hour right through space. They hit the friggin the atmosphere. Big sonic boom. Everyone has an explosion. They're legit on fire. 2500 degrees, and then they pull the chutes. And then the thing goes from 25,000 miles an hour to 19,000 miles an hour. And Mike Plops does a little cannonball in the Pacific. I don't know, I just think, what

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

was it going when it hit the Pacific?

[Ryan Whitney]

19 miles an hour. Because they pull all Those parachutes and it just kind of brings like a slow sway. But just. I just like to give a shout out to all those people involved with that. The idea like, again, those people went as far from earth as anybody in history and came back and had a perfect land and just all the science involved. So again, I just want to give those. Those folks a shout out.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

So they couldn't even get a press pass from the Bruins either. It's crazy.

[Ryan Whitney]

I. Oh, I did at the dog walk today. We had a pretty cool category. I can't reveal my answers yet, but pre 80s movies. Kirk Minahan was there. Haven't done with him in a while. Chief Eddie and who else was there? Oh, Ken, Jack. So yeah, it was pre1980.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

That's your. That's right up your alley.

[Ryan Whitney]

Well, because. Well, it's interesting because the 70s are the greatest decade ever. So you kind of had to find a balance between 70s movies and like, you know, black and whites that preceded it. So that's gonna come out in a couple weeks. Check that stuff out. Our favorite stat on here. Turkey Day teams in the playoffs. On Turkey Day, Biz in the Whale side, the east, five of the teams, five of the eight teams that were in a playoff spot on Thanksgiving remain at a spot. Jersey, D.C. long island, all shit the bed while Philly, Montreal and Buffalo took their spots.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Wow. Montreal wasn't in it Thanksgiving.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yep. No. Yeah, we had.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Detroit wasn't in at Thanksgiving.

[Ryan Whitney]

Nope. Tampa, Ottawa and Boston, then Jersey, Carolina, Washington and the wild cards with the Islanders in Pittsburgh. But out the west, the Central stayed the same. Colorado, Dallas, Minnesota. On Thanksgiving, it was Anaheim, Vegas, Seattle, Seattle got dumped for Edmonton and LA and Utah still the two wild card teams. So seven out of the eight teams.

[Keith Yandle]

Wow, interesting.

[Ryan Whitney]

So basically 12 out of the six US Thanksgiving teams remain in the playoffs or 75%. So that number held true once again this year.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Wow.

[Ryan Whitney]

Okay, like always, pretty interesting stuff. Obviously we got to talk about the Bruins. I'm going Bruins in six. I think I. I think Buffalo has more offensive fire. They obviously got a better defense. I think goaltender is going to be the difference. Swayman in his playoff history, 9 and 10 with a 2.3 8 goals against 922 save percentage. He even caught Pasalo. He's 5 and 9, but he's got a 2.5 9 with a 922 as well. The three playoff goalies for Buffalo combined 1 and 2 with the 3, 63 and 8. 888 percentage. Those are all three from Alex Lyon. So I think there's a huge discrepancy in experience. Not that Swayman has a ton, but like I said all year, man, Sway and Pray. I think he's going to be a huge difference in the series the way he's been playing since the playoffs. And the Beast, they're not really slouches in the offense department. They got nine forwards with at least 10 goals as well, I think. Yeah, I think they're going to be a tough out. So I got the B's in six there.

[Keith Yandle]

Hey, love that rear.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

We knew you were taking the B's. I thought it would be in seven, though.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah, I think. I think Sway is going to be that much of a difference and I think we're going to see at least 2, 3 overtime games the series do. I think it's going to be a very tight series as well. Moving along here. Pittsburgh minus 170 over Philly plus 140. My. My head says Pittsburgh, but I don't know, man. I think Philly pulls the upset here. I just think talk is going to have him gunning. I'd love to see Sid get a nice run late in his career, but. But I don't know, man. I think Philly's just got a little bit of magic going on right now. I'm looking forward to this series the most. Battle of Philadelphia. Always a bra.

[Keith Yandle]

Dark side. All right.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Yeah. Biz picked Philly as well.

[Ryan Whitney]

Even. Even though Gritty threw cake on us that time. Biz, that was a little. That was one of the most outrageous things we did was have a cake fight with Gritty. Let's see. Carolina minus 170. That's kind of a low line over Ottawa, I think. Carolina in 6. Ottawa's goal 10. That it's kind of a wishy washy. You're not sure what you're going to get from Omar. Carolina, they've been knocking at the door for a long time if Anderson stays healthy. I got Carolina in 6th year.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Both goalies are playing though. Brenda Moore said.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah, yeah, I, I don't. Yeah, you don't like to hear that necessarily going into it, but I, I don't think that's been their issue. I know Anderson played his balls off a couple. Was it a year or two ago. They just couldn't score. So Tampa Bay the biggest favorite. Well, that's fine. I'm sure Colorado is probably going to be a bigger favorite when that line comes out, but. Tampa Bay minus 250 over Montreal. I like the like, like you just said, with a lot of valuable Montreal hip, you know basically 2 to 1 I think Montreal at 7. Sorry Coop, I. I hate. I hate to say it but wow.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

You're going just had beers with them.

[Keith Yandle]

You were just hanging out with him playing tummy sticks.

[Ryan Whitney]

I know but I. It's. I just think that you know watching the Caulfield stuff, the Montreal Magic man. I. I don't know. I. I think you know Tampa's gonna be a tough out but I just gotta feel Montreal just got to kind of pull it a few games out of that rafts. They might get that rookie goal ton the thing that they've had in the history. But yeah, sorry Coop, I hate to say that but I just think Montreal is going to get by them.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

He probably bought the beers last a couple too, didn't he?

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

They're cheap at the nights that's up.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah, I know it was good good to see him last week. The boys always appreciate when he stops by Dallas Mini. This is apparently not.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

They better not get used to.

[Ryan Whitney]

If he actually gave a About what we said there I guess I'd care about. But Dallas Mini Dallas a slight favorite there. I got Mini and seven. I'd love to see them sort of. Well, it's only one hump the first round hump but I'd love to see them move along but gotta be interesting to see that. You know obviously Gustafson he's been great in the playoffs before. Just looking for a bounce back after what happened last year. So very intriguing series. Probably should be a bloody one as well. The only other one we have definite locked in Vegas. Utah. You know what? I had Utah in seven written down but I did just look up kind of hot stats when you just mentioned them the last month. 60 with a 166 a 93 0. If he stays in that zone I don't know how Utah beats him. But they do get some depth scoring. The goaltender overall was better this season. 8. 94 say percentage was better than Vegas's 884 so I don't know though. If hot stays like I said in that zone, I'm gonna have to go. Vegas in seven. Another number jump Ottawa 131 to win the cup with. Did you think they'd be a lot higher than that at this stage?

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Yeah, I think that shows that Vegas knows how good they are.

[Ryan Whitney]

What about. What about you Jens? 13 to 1 Ottawa. I would have thought they'd be a lot higher.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

I would have thought they would have been higher just because. What were the Bruins Bruins were 13 to 1, right? No, Bruins were higher than that.

[Ryan Whitney]

Bruins at 55 right now. I got him at 150 before the season. But you know what? Anaheim is the. They're the longest offs of the board right now. 80 to 1. And I'll tell you that the between it was goodest. Truba Carlson, I think they're going to be a real tough out. 80 to 1. Throw a couple bucks on them and oh, shout out to my friend Sweetie and eod. I don't know if you follow on Instagram. She does a lot of stuff with like when the players wear their fits. She had. Give me the shirt. Her younger brother Patty passed away last year after battling cancer. Was a big friend of the Southern California hockey community. So just want to give her a shout out. Hopefully her Ducks can go on a little bit of run. She. Yeah. Check out her stuff. She got kind of like gives the fashion updates and does all that type of stuff. So shout out Annie. Also I threw. I had 29 bucks left of my draftkings. I gotta take a little breath because he. The old Big D did a number on me. But Swayman, 120 to 1 for the coin Smythe, just for a little bit of shits and giggles there.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

So who's the Big D?

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Right?

[Ryan Whitney]

Say the Big D. Wait, did you

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

say the Big D did a number on you?

[Ryan Whitney]

Oh yeah. Divorce. Yeah.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

God, she's gonna hear that.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

You're gonna have 14 bucks and 50 cents left in here.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah, yeah. Can't believe. Can't blame Stevie Watt for that. Not want it.

[Ryan Whitney]

No, no.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

That definitely still have my Tesla. What was his future on the Red Wings?

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah, yeah. Here comes the rebuild.

[Ryan Whitney]

Oh, the other one. I gotta sleep last week. This is why you double check your work, kids. Pierre Turjon only scored 38 goals as a Canadian. I mistakenly stated he scored that he scored 50. It was Pierre LaRouche. He scored 50 during the 7980 season. So apologies to the two time Stanley cup winner. Congrats to Scott Oak on a hell of a career business.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Oh, he's the man.

[Keith Yandle]

Awesome dude.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

He's the. Well showed up for him. He'll still. He'll still be doing the hockey night in Canada though games, right?

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Oh, is he or is that it?

[Keith Yandle]

I thought he thought he was retiring.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

No, I know but I. Oh, I figured he'd be a part of the playoff coverage.

[Keith Yandle]

Oh yeah. I just think that it was the like the last of the after hours.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Yes, yes.

[Keith Yandle]

And then. Yeah, he'll probably finish out this season.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah, he will. After this playoff season.

[Keith Yandle]

Yeah.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Great.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Guy.

[Keith Yandle]

Same with Joel Bowen. I actually got to be there for his last home game call against Dallas the other night and then they finished up in Ottawa. R.A. and and he had his last call ever. Joe Bowen, 44 years of service. Well over 3, 000 games. So I don't know if you had that one written down too. RA I did.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Really showed up for his final year.

[Keith Yandle]

That's such a ending for him.

[Ryan Whitney]

Back to the Leafs and Oak's last interview was Revo. He saved Revo for the last one which is pretty good. We did mention it last week but it's official now. Jonathan Quick made it official. He's gonna retire. Would be surprised if he sticks around with the ranges going forward. But just looking back at his stats, those cup runs 16 and 4 back in 2012. A 141 goals against 946 say percentage 3 shutout scores. He won the con smite that year and even like his career numbers in the playoffs 49 of 43 with a 231 goals against 921 career save percentage. Just awesome stuff. Once again congrats to Quickie on a hell of a career. Also get well to Jared Bedna. I don't know if you saw that. He took a puck off the face the other night. He missed a couple games.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Broken orbital biz said I think it

[Ryan Whitney]

was a scratch cornea, a couple fractures. I didn't need surgery but yeah, better tough year for. For my buddies on the bench. So I, I maybe I might have

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

to tell you should pick against him too.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Oh.

[Ryan Whitney]

Gotta see what they're playing first. Either way. I do think Anaheim moves on regardless of who they play.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Do you think Anaheim beats Colorado if they end up the wild second wild card?

[Ryan Whitney]

I do.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

He's got 29 bucks on them.

[Ryan Whitney]

That's swimming. Yeah, I. I do. I think. I think that defense. I think Doe Stahl is going to surprise a few people.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Okay.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Okay. All right.

[Keith Yandle]

You got some ballsy picks Rear.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I know.

[Keith Yandle]

I love it.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah, we got. All right Hamilton. We'll save those for next week. I know we're running a little bit late today. Quick. Quick. Things I've been watching just dropped on Netflix the other day. Untold that sports show. It's about the Portland Jailblazers. I don't know if you saw any. Yeah, really good. It was really well done about the kind of the Hellraisers they had there show Rooster I mentioned with Steve Carell. I'd call it the best new comedy on TV right now. Great little sitcom.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Does he play hockey in that is he like a hockey coach? Okay. I saw some clips.

[Ryan Whitney]

I. I got a hunch he's probably going to take over as the hockey coach. But yeah, there's like. The other night, actually, they were watching. He was watching a Panthers game. I forget who they were playing, but it was like an actual NHL highlight in the background. Obviously, you. They're in business together, so. And that DTF St. Louis I mentioned with Jason Bateman. That finished the other night. Awesome show. It's a real slow burn. It's not soft.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I heard it's weird as it is with.

[Ryan Whitney]

But like, when you stick with it, you kind of like, oh, man, I'm glad I stuck with it because it's just. It's not.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

So.

[Ryan Whitney]

It's not like just a murder mystery. It's. It's sort of a satire. But then it kind of has like a unique. I guess I don't. Less. Less of a message at the end. So give that a whirl. One more here. Classic recommendation. Arrested Development. If you never saw it, I would. The first three seasons, those are the ones to watch. One of the most absurd, cringy comedy. Like, I don't. Funniest shows of the 20th century, 21st century, rather, which.

[Keith Yandle]

That has Bateman and. And Will Arnett in it.

[Ryan Whitney]

Bateman, yeah. Jeffrey Tambor. What's her name? Walters. I forget her first name. It just. Just hilarious. Just absurd. Hilarious. Schuma. Great stuff. I think that's one of Will Arnett's best roles.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

He plays Joe in that.

[Ryan Whitney]

I think it's one of the funniest characters on television.

[Keith Yandle]

They got another movie cooking right now. I saw between, like, Will Arnett. Who. The guy who was in There Will Be Blood. No, no, no, no, not that. Nope. Was it a movie or A Star Was Born? The guy.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Bradley.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah. Bradley Cooper. Yeah. Is this thing on?

[Keith Yandle]

No, they just. They dropped that already. But I saw that, like, they have another show or movie that's coming out where they're all working together. So these guys are just machines. They just drop show and movie after show.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

All right. I heard that at one of these film festivals, the trailer for the Social Reckoning came out, which is the. You know, Social Network was the. The Facebook movie. And now this is like, what's happened since. Oh, and I think Jeremy Strong from. From Secession plays Mark Zuckerberg. And I guess the trailer at this. At this. At this film festival, like, people were just raving about how good it looks.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Social Network was.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Social Network was unreal.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Unbelievable.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Unreal movie. So the Social Reckoning, I believe.

[Keith Yandle]

Oh, I've seen Social Network, I swear.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah, people, I've heard that too. What they've been raving about, what they've seen out of me. He's one of those, like, crazy method actors too, you know, when he. He's like, from around here, local. When he was a kid. Kid like 10, 11 years old. He would like, basically stock movie sets when they were filming movies here. And his parents let him like, fly to, like, LA and stay with, like, executives, like to learn the.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

That's normal.

[Keith Yandle]

Okay.

[Ryan Whitney]

Yeah, I guess he was a. An odd duck. But Jessica Walter was the name. I was taking her Arrested Development. And one last note. You know, I. I know. I think this is the 23rd IRA's world. And we said, obviously a lot of playoffs left, left. But it's been. It's been a treat with. With this new role, kind of scratching scene. Some different itches, flexing some different muscles. I enjoy the banto. You guys sort of finish the week on a fun note. So I hope everybody out there has enjoyed it. If not, I love it. I'm giving.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Great job. All right. Great job. They love it. Hey, by the way, I gotta bring up something. Did you guys see that? You know the World Cup's coming?

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Yeah, tickets.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

What a fucking disaster.

[Keith Yandle]

What do you mean?

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

So the tickets are out of control. Apparently to take the train from Penn Station to MetLife is going to be a hundred dollars. They're price gouging the train. The tickets are insane.

[Ryan Whitney]

No tailgating.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

No tailgating allowed. But what really shocked me, the head of U.S. soccer, the guy who has built the team, and this was supposed to be like, U.S. soccer's like golden generation and chance to maybe make some noise in a World Cup. He just quit to take the same role for Saudi Arabia.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

They probably gave him so much money.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I know, but what the scum fuck is that dude?

[Keith Yandle]

So he's going to be crazy coaching Saudi Arabia.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

It's not coach. It's like gm, basically.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

That's scumbag.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I'm like, this is. And I saw like, I think, who's the. Who's the awesome US Soccer player? No, Taylor Swman. It was maybe. I'm thinking, is it Landon Donovan who

[Keith Yandle]

was like, older guy, bald guy?

[Ryan Whitney]

Donovan, Definitely Landon.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Yeah. He was fuming about it. Alexi Lalas was pissed off. I'm like, that is just. That is just like. For US Soccer to lose their GM team architect to Saudi Arabia, who's in the tournament is. Has got to be one of the lowest moments in U. S soccer history.

[Keith Yandle]

So just what's Rapone saying about it?

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Oh, Reponi who? I don't know. I don't know. If the guy came out as like a trans or something, she'd be jumping up and down for him. I have no idea. I don't know.

[Ryan Whitney]

Nothing Surprised me though. International sports, especially soccer, there's like, you know, shady as the stuff.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

You don't have to be from that country to work for the country.

[Keith Yandle]

No, not if you're in management or even coaching.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

No. Yeah, coaching. It's crazy.

[Ryan Whitney]

Same thing here with. They're charging people 80 bucks, I think, to go to Foxborough for those games. Like if you normally go to like a concert or a pats game, I think it's like 20 bucks round trip.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

But now they're charging people price gouging, like fans to take a train. It's just a joke.

[Keith Yandle]

There's a lot of issues going right now with like Ticketmaster and all the live nation, all that, that type of stuff.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Well, the fans just have to revolt and not go.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

I know, but they won't. They just pay.

[Keith Yandle]

Soccer's crazy.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Soccer's nuts. Yeah, it will be no Americans. It'll all be like South Americans. All these people love soccer.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

Well, R.A. great seeing you.

[RA (Rear Admiral Magic)]

Can't wait for I write Hamilton.

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

All right, Hamilton, R.A. good job. But on RA's World. Guys, great being with you. Playoffs are here. This is exciting. Can't wait to see. And we will be back to you guys. Guys, live Monday, 11am Eastern on Netflix. Peace.

[Keith Yandle]

Tusks up.

[Joey Kosher]

It won't happen won't happen won't happen

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

again

[Joey Kosher]

it won't happen won't happen, won't

[Biz Nasty (Paul Bissonnette)]

happen again A bad habit worth breaking but it's time taking time I don't know don't let it it's going happen

[Joey Kosher]

it's going to happen again. Wann.