Spittin' Chiclets Episode 654: Cup Final Update + Babs is Back?

Summary

Spittin’ Chiclets Episode 654: Cup Final Update + Babs is Back?

Date: June 12, 2026
Hosts: Ryan Whitney, Paul Bissonnette (Biz), Rear Admiral (Ari), Murr, Memes
Theme: Stanley Cup Final Chaos & Edmonton Oilers Coaching Drama

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the wild 2026 Stanley Cup Final between the Carolina Hurricanes and the Vegas Golden Knights — unpacking Games 4 and 5, the emergence of unlikely hero Brandon Bussi, and the Hurricanes’ offensive explosion. The panel also tackles the explosive and controversial rumors of Mike Babcock returning to NHL coaching, specifically with the Edmonton Oilers. As always, the Chiclets crew brings irreverence, hockey expertise, and hilarious tangents on everything from Pink Whitney-fueled escapades to New York Knicks fans’ insanity.

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Table of Contents

1. Cup Final Recap: Games 4 & 5
2. Key Players & Hero Stories
3. Vegas Golden Knights Meltdown & Lineup Changes
4. Goaltending Controversies & Coaching Hot Takes
5. Atmosphere and Home Crowd Edge
6. Mike Babcock, Oilers, and NHL Coaching Mayhem
7. Notable Quotes & Moments
8. Predictions for Game 6
9. R.A.’s World: Pop Culture, Footy, & Fan Behavior

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1. Cup Final Recap: Games 4 & 5 <a name="cup-final-recap"></a>

Carolina Hurricanes surge ahead with relentless offense, looking poised to claim the Cup.

• Game 5 Recap (00:29):

  • Carolina leads the series after a 6-goal, multi-scorer onslaught.
  • Hurricanes’ power play is suddenly lethal: six PPG in five games, “tied the highest amount of goals they’ve ever scored in a playoff series in their organization's history.” — Biz (03:14)
  • Vegas is falling apart defensively and in net.
  • Pink Whitney features prominently in the Boston Sandbagger episode and the crew’s storytelling.

• Game 4 Key Moment (26:00):

  • Jordan Staal’s falling, backhand goal is a series-defining highlight.
    “He completely bites it… just no quit… and the thing goes in… celebration is what made it. He’s on the ground…fist shaking…like a Viking.” – Whit (25:43)

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2. Key Players & Hero Stories <a name="key-players"></a>

Brandon Bussi: From AHL waiver wire to Cup Final folk hero

• First goalie ever to make and win his first two career playoff starts in the Stanley Cup Final.
  “He stopped the stone breakaway off the hop…that settled him down, gave him confidence.”—Biz (07:14)
• Emotional moment watching Bussi’s parents in the stands after his win. “Even more emotional to watch because you were never a sure fire vet to even play in the NHL… takes a village.” —Whit (35:13)
• Is it his net the rest of the way?
  “I think so, yeah.” —Biz (36:00)

Jordan Staal: Captain Clutch

• First player to score in five straight Cup Final games since 1956. (07:55)
• Leading Conn Smythe candidate, odds now -110.
  “He is so strong in front. He’s so good at tipping pucks. Shot passes, they’re phenomenal.” —Whit (08:36)
• “He’s leaving it all on the ice boys. It’s been unbelievable to watch such a ferocious leader.” —Biz (02:09)

Supporting Cast: Stankhoven, Martinook, Gostisbehere

• Stankhoven: “Absolute bulldog…makes us look like idiots for doubting him.” —Whit (20:49)
• Martinook: “That’s a heart and soul guy right there.” —Biz (22:45)
• Gostisbehere: Quiet resurgence; “Just been dominant.” —Whit (23:11)

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3. Vegas Golden Knights: Meltdown & Lineup Changes <a name="vegas-meltdown"></a>

• Injury Crisis:
  • William Karlsson breaks wrist, likely out for series; “panicking, throw lines in a blender.” – Memes (12:47)
  • McNabb playing hurt after puck to face; PK struggling since.
• Coaching Critique:
  • “You should have left Eichel with Dorofeyev and Barbershev…It’s not fucking rocket science.” —Memes (12:47)
  • “They haven’t been good since whole team fell apart.” —Memes
• Locker Room Mood:
  • Coach John Tortorella guarantees a return to Carolina for Game 7:
    “We’ll be back here…leaving my clothes in the hotel.” —Whit (16:16)
• Vegas Special Teams/Power Play:
  • PK faltering, especially with McNabb out/in the box.

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4. Goaltending Controversies & Coaching Hot Takes <a name="goalie-talk"></a>

Vegas: Carter Hart vs. Aiden Hill

• Hart: “First time a goalie’s ever given up four plus goals in all five games of Stanley Cup Final.”—Memes (05:32)
• Should Hill come in?
  “Torello responds: ‘Christ, that could be the stupidest question I’ve ever heard.’” —Memes quoting Torts (17:31)
• “It’s not crazy to ask if a Cup-winning goalie should come in for someone struggling!” —Biz (17:59)

Carolina: Bussi vs. Anderson

• Anderson believed concussed; decision to roll with Bussi made easier by injury.
• “He just seems like the perfect prototypical goalie. Nothing rattles him.” —Murr (35:14)

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5. Atmosphere & Home Crowd Edge <a name="atmosphere"></a>

• Carolina home games are rocking:
  “Half the crowd was standing the entire game.” —Memes (28:25)
  “Way louder in Carolina; they don’t pump fake noise.” —Biz (28:36)
• Vegas does pump in crowd noise/audio (28:46).

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6. Mike Babcock, Oilers, and Coaching Mayhem <a name="babcock-drama"></a>

Oilers in Chaos—Rumor Mill Spinning Fast

• Babcock targeted as Oilers’ new head coach.
  • “What a fucking clown show the Oilers have been.” —Whit (44:47)
  • “Of all the people out there, Mike Babcock. That’s what they’re gonna go with?!” —Whit (47:34)
• Oilers front office dysfunction:
  • Firing Knoblauch, botched Cassady chase, rumors leaking before speaking to players/Nurse.
  • Nurse now rumored to have requested a trade.
• Player input:
  • “It’s the players, obviously…they want Babcock. That’s why it’s hard to completely carve this.” —Whit (46:22)
• Panel divided on Babcock’s fit and second chance:
  • “Who am I [to say he can’t coach]? Did he break any laws?” —Biz (48:33)
  • “There’s 15–20 guys who have publicly talked about how bad of a guy Mike Babcock is.” —Whit (47:23)
  • “If they’re that desperate…go have it. If it works and he’s changed, it’s a great story. If not, it’s the fourth-liners and staff who suffer.” —Biz (51:00)
• NHLPA reportedly in possession of additional claims against Babcock, separate from phone incident. (52:32)

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7. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments <a name="notable-quotes"></a>

Stanley Cup Final

• “I think they got the benefit of the doubt when it came to the amount of power play opportunities…the Stone high stick, double minor…that power play goal sealed the deal.” —Biz (03:14)
• “When was the last time in a Cup Final a goalie gave up four goals every game?” —Whit (05:21)
• “First goalie in NHL history to make his first two career playoff starts in the Cup finals and win both of them.” —Whit (33:55)
• “He just seems like the perfect prototypical goalie…never too high, never too low…just a prototypical perfect goalie.” —Murr (35:14)
• “Tonight felt a little different…when they were up 4–2 and they took that puck over the glass…I just had this weird feeling Vegas was going to come back, but ultimately, Bussi shut the door.” —Biz (31:03)

On Babcock/Oilers

• “Mike Commodore said ‘No way he should coach again’…I wasn’t a guy he personally tried to strip all confidence from, so I’ll sit this one out.” —Biz (48:50)
• “Not taking away any of the feelings of Berry, Marner, Franzen, Commodore, after what they say Babs did.” —Biz (51:00)

On Atmosphere

• “Carolina’s crowd; they just get rowdy. Drinking, having fun…that guy in the blow-up outfit with the Bussi sign…” —Biz (29:26)
• “Carolina, an SEC football crowd.” —Memes (29:24)

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8. Predictions for Game 6 (and 7) <a name="predictions"></a>

• Whit: “4–2, Vegas with an empty netter. I say Hurricanes win it in 7.” (40:06)
• Murr: “Vegas, 4–3 in overtime.” (40:26)
• Biz: “I’m going to say 4–3 overtime as well.” (40:38)
• Memes: “Vegas, 3–2 OT with Stone scoring.” (40:58)
• Ari/RA: “Thinks it’s going 7, we’re due for a real goalie battle — 4–2 with an empty netter.” (78:13)

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9. R.A.’s World: Pop Culture, Footy, & Fan Behavior <a name="ra-world"></a> (71:03–88:50)

• Pop Culture Recs:
  • Minority Report (Tom Cruise/Colin Farrell sci-fi), “awesome futuristic thriller.”
  • Sung Blue (“tremendous acting, great human element”)
  • BlackBerry (Canadian-made, “dynamite flick” about the rise and fall of the BlackBerry phone)
• Soccer/World Cup:
  • U.S. hosting, local towns embracing international teams (“Lawrenceville, Kansas, embracing Team Algeria”), Scotland’s fans “playing bagpipes at 6:30 a.m.”
• Fan Behavior:
  • New York Knicks fans “another level of barbaric” throwing traffic cones, lighting hair on fire, “foolish behavior, Knicks fans clean it up.” —Ari (82:13)
• Golf Highlight:
  • Whit’s dunked eagle from 160 yards: “Just give us a couple knocks, pinkies up? No, we’re going bananas.” —Whit (80:09)
  • “I wish I could have bottled that excitement…” —Murr (81:00)

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Episode Vibe & Closing Remarks

Spittin’ Chiclets brings their signature blend of unfiltered hockey breakdown, debate, and playful ribbing to one of the wildest Cup Finals and off-ice dramas in years. The crew switches seamlessly between technical analysis, inside stories, locker room perspective, and outright hilarity. Passion for the game pulses throughout, whether dissecting Carolina’s discipline, Bussi’s Cinderella arc, or the farcical turn of Edmonton’s front office — and the heart is genuine.

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Listen for:

• NHL insight you won’t get on TV
• Locker room chirping, wild fan stories, and real talk on hockey’s biggest controversies
• Laugh-out-loud moments and memorable one-liners

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“Wild, wild time. The league does not disappoint. Right now, this league, it just comes up with wackier and wilder stories.” —Whit (64:22)

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Key Segments Timestamps for Quick Access

• Cup Final Recap — 00:29–13:00
• Goaltending/Lineup Drama — 13:00–24:00
• Babcock/Oilers segment — 43:26–64:43
• [Predictions/Final Thoughts — 40:00, 78:13+]
• R.A.’s World — 71:03–88:50

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Transcript

[Ari]

Me and Ryan have been officially welcomed to the jungle that is barstool sports.

[Biz]

I brought it towards the Coyotes and I asked him if it was okay if I joined the Spit Chicklets podcast full time.

[Whit]

Ryan Whitney's got a pink Whitney out there now.

[Biz]

Sandbagger.

[Whit]

Get that on camera. Keith Yandel, the sonk man. Kate is a full time member. Marley just got an assist from Chris Bates. Whoa.

[Murr]

We're buzzing right now.

[Whit]

Spun. What is up, folks? Welcome. We are just coming off the end of game five, and oh, my God, are the Carolina Hurricanes looking poised to lift Lloyd Stanley before we get into games four and five, Recap and recap our Boston trip. We got to talk. Pinkies up. Get him up. Get it up, Fiz. Yep, I know you got no problem getting it up. Pink Whitney. We had a very special sandbagger drop with all the champs that we actually took down. I don't know if you watched it, but Gruden McDonough, maroon, the pink Whitney was flowing. We filmed another sandbagger yesterday in Boston. It was flowing again.

[Biz]

Oh, yeah, it was busy. Boy was letting it flow, too. For the first time in 20 months.

[Whit]

First time in 20 months. The pink Whitney hit him hard. It hit us all hard. We can't even. Can't even mention who we played against or anything. That's going to stay.

[Biz]

I was chewing. I was drinking. I was dummying. There was.

[Whit]

I. I mean, I. I left that restaurant after I. I said, biz is completely smothered right now on a bunch of different things. I think we had every. But shout out Pink Whitney y

[Biz]

responsibly

[Whit]

and shout out everyone listening right now or tuning in and watching on Netflix. I know we aren't live, so I don't even know why I'm mentioning that. But we had to go after game five, right?

[Biz]

We got.

[Whit]

We got to do the stream on Tuesday night, which was a blast. We got another great game. We'll get into that one. I don't really know. I'm gonna throw it over to you Biz first. Okay. What you want to say and where you want to start this all off right now.

[Biz]

God, I think before we get to Bussy, I think we have to mention what Jordan Stahl is doing right now. I think that right now he has to be one of the main storylines. I mean, for years now, he's never scored at this type of rate. But, you know, as his career, he's on the back nine and it's coming to an end. Maybe he plays another two, three more years. I don't know how much gas. Gas he has left in the tank, but it feels like he knows that this might be his last opportunity to ever win a Stanley cup and he is leaving it all on the ice, boys. And it's been, it's been unbelievable to watch such a ferocious leader and doing it everywhere, boys. Like in the face off, Dot Yans, you talk about how they'll have power plays, they'll throw him out there, let's go win possession, then he gets off. And I've noticed that they've also done an unbelievable job with monitoring his ice time and not overplaying him to let him concentrate on that penalty kill. Bringing what they bring. Obviously the PP which I seem to have brought to life, obviously the mush man himself.

[Whit]

It's incredible.

[Biz]

Actually, buddy, they just tied the the highest amount of goals they've ever scored in a playoff series in their organization's history. Going against, I think coming it was the best PK in playoffs in Vegas it was clipping at about 85, 90%, four or five shorthanded goals, you name it. And all of a sudden the Cane's power play has come to life for six goals in five games so far this series and a couple clutch ones in game five that, I mean, let's say, let's call a spade a spade. I think that they got the benefit of the doubt when it came to the amount of power play opportunities. The stone, high stick, double miner. Yeah, that one. That power play goal sealed the deal. But even before that they had the back to back ones where, where they were.

[Whit]

Well, I mean McNab's. That was such a Blake penalty.

[Biz]

That was a, that was a dumb one. That was a dumb one.

[Whit]

And I saw Bucci, our guy boochie's tweet. Now dive. It's like, I, I don't know, Blake's like 5, 6, he moves the pockets, plays dead. Just I, I get, you know, he's a machine of a defense. McNabb, he'd already gotten away with the hall cross check and then he gets that one. I thought Blake was dead for a second. It was because it was on the. You couldn't see the boards with that camera view. And you know, he gets up, thank God. But stupid penalties. And I'm going to say this right now, Sunday night, I'm not starting Carter Hart and I actually, I'm starting them because I'm a Carolina Hurricane. This guy can't say puck right now. He's given up four goals in every game.

[Biz]

So wait, so, so so who's going to start for them?

[Whit]

Your guy, Biz. Your guy.

[Memes]

I don't know if you two remember our walk home from the stream the other night, though. I said it. I said, leave Carter Hart in Vegas. Don't even bring him on the flight cross country. Aiden Hill has to start that game because it's the away game.

[Biz]

I was getting my ripped upside down over here. For mentioning his name. For mentioning his name.

[Whit]

Yeah.

[Memes]

And then in five goals or whatever it was then, or four in an empty net after you said, I can't

[Whit]

stop the puck right now, how many can we get a look up from G or Fish? When was the last time in a cup final a goalie gave up four goals every game?

[Memes]

Never. It's the first time a goal he's ever given up four plus goals in a all five games of Stanley cup final.

[Biz]

I mean, my how the t. Turntables.

[Whit]

What?

[Biz]

I said, my how the turntables.

[Whit]

I don't even think you can finish it. I think the turntables is kind of your line. And yeah, you were saying it earlier and people kind of laughed and you.

[Biz]

People?

[Ari]

What do you mean people?

[Biz]

Would you take some goddamn accountability?

[Whit]

Yeah, but buddy, I don't consider this like at the same. The same scenarios. When you were originally bringing it up, when, yeah, he did look questionable, but they were winning. They were winning and winning and winning. And now, I mean, that's two in a row where all of them, they're not on hard, but it's like he's not making the big save. That's Vetsnikov. Goal can't go in. It's on the ice. Five.

[Murr]

Yeah.

[Whit]

So the crazy part of this series, one of the 15 crazy things that we're witnessing and anyone who's listening right now, everyone thought once they made it 4:2, Vegas. A couple minutes ago, I was like, they're gonna fucking tie this one up. This is just gonna be a of flop of the wackiness. The crack hockey.

[Biz]

No, not on busy.

[Whit]

This goalie situation and Brandon Bussy and getting the chance to talk.

[Biz]

Who called that one?

[Whit]

I don't know. Biz, was it you? Is this like the Biz show?

[Murr]

Yeah, from We've been on for seven minutes. He's already taking credit for their power play. He's taking credit for busy and he's now going to be taking credit if Hill goes in, which I don't think they'll go to Hill. Biz, I think you got to ride with Heartsy. It's game six. He's got Here you have to ride with him and hope your team scores five goals.

[Biz]

But that's why I wasn't taking credit for Bussy. I was in a point to the quarter that we flipped. Well that I flipped or I was going to flip that Yance flipped and flipped very well. So credit Yance for starting Bussy in game four and now game five. He looks confident guys. He's making those big stop. People were shitting on him for last game's performance. Buddy, he start. He stopped the stone breakaway off the hop like that first right out of the gate he stopped that breakaway and that settled them down, gave him the confidence so they were able to go out there and do their thing. So I think it's a completely different series with him and net and oh my God, do we have a great one.

[Murr]

It's unreal. Just going back to the Jordan stall and I just think it's so cool. What it's, it's. He's the first player to score in five straight games in the Stanley Cup Final since 1956. Like think of how many good players the Gretzky's, the Lemieux, the everyone. And since 1956 that hasn't happened. For a guy like him to do it is incredible.

[Whit]

Yeah, he has six goals. So I tweeted out what's the record? Somebody came back with 14 but I think that was like before the original six. I then I saw nine since the original six. Like so I, I still don't have the answer but I'm gonna go with nine. I'm gonna go with nine. I mean buddy, this guy, he is so strong in front.

[Biz]

Oh yeah.

[Whit]

He's so good at tipping puck. Some of the passes he's getting these shot passes, they're phenomenal. He almost had another one in the third period. That was actually a pretty good save by heart. But the busy story to me is just incredible and to get picked up on waivers to sign with the Stanley cup champs, drive to the ahl, get grabbed on waivers while you're in Carolina, going to friggin Charlotte, take the left or the right or the whatever the direction is to Raleigh, start your career the way he did then, whatever. I think he probably understood they're going with the veteran and Anderson's playing great. But here's my question to you guys. Like Anderson's concussed, right? Like this is kind of a two part question but it almost made the decision easier.

[Biz]

It's all the stars are aligning and

[Whit]

is there a chance like so he's concussed because obviously he'd be the backup, right? Yeah, Barbershev got him off pretty decent, but Barbershev buckled him. Finishes that game. Couldn't believe he didn't get taken out by a spotter. Finishes that game. So then it's all right. No questions. He's injured. We go with Bussy, and I would say there was a little worry for me, game four, because he did, you know, he gives up those goals like it's. They're up three one. All of a sudden it's three three. But then he slammed the door, slam the door. And tonight he was great again. So I don't know if he's like, obviously he's fresh. I know that. Is he. Is it that much of a difference for Vegas shooting on a, on a lefty?

[Biz]

I just think it's. He's. He's so fresh. You could tell that he's been staying in shape. You could tell he's been putting the work in and then he's going to, He. He wants to seize the moment. You know, you could, you could tell by the way a guy carries himself, the way he stands in the net, the way that his eyes are bugged out as he' his cat eyes. And right now he's kind of got that pop in his step and, and, and, you know, he, he waited his turn. I think it's one of those situations where he's probably just grateful to be in the NHL, regardless of the fact that he had the start that he had. Well, Anderson was, I think, a little banged up and not playing great. So he got to ride his wave. And, you know, through his experience and, and whatever decisions they. They decided to start Anderson and playoffs, he's deserved the net up until now. If, even if he, if Anderson after Game 3 was still saying, I'm okay, I can go. The hardest decision in Rod the Bod's career would have been like, I'm still going with Bussey. I don't know if he would have done it. That would have taken some balls. But it was the, it was the. The. It was what needed to be done. It had to be done. I didn't feel the confidence from Anderson anymore. Just from a viewing perspective, especially with the amount of breakdowns and grade A's you're going to see from the Vegas Gold Knights. Grade A scoring chances or at least scoring chances to begin game five. Like the tarot card lady said when she knew Vegas was going to come out swinging. 11 to 1 scoring chances in that first period. 11 to 1 for Vegas and Who was there to stop all of them? Bus. The bus man.

[Whit]

I'll tell you who was there. And when I saw this, I said, oh well, Carolina's got the chance Sunday night to win the cup because this game five's over. And Mike Commodore. Oh yeah, in amazing fashion. Obviously a big time player for that 2006 Stanley cup team. In Carolina. They had the robes. That was part of their storyline. He got the robe on. He looked like Carrot Top up there. And it's also on the heels of Babcock, which we'll get to possibly being back in the NHL. Holy. Do we have to talk about that? And Commodore, he cranked. He cranked that horn harder than any of us have ever cranked our own horn or any other horn we've ever cranked. 100% talk to sirens. Not like of humans. I want to make a correction. Not there's anything wrong with that, but Commie ended. Now here's the thing. Here's the thing on this series. Okay. I want to ask Murr. You're the Vegas guy. We got Migs. We got the Vegas Insider. What has happened the last two games? Like what are you not seeing or seeing that maybe doesn't work for a team who just looked dominant up until game four. Basically.

[Memes]

I don't know if I've been speaking Swedish or not, but I've been screaming at the top of my lungs to anyone that will listen towards. Change the lines. You should have left Eichel with Dorothy of and Barbershev. That line was super. You had Marner, Carlson, Howden super line. And then Stone with Hurdle made that a formidable third line when he switched that lines. They haven't been good since the whole team fell apart. It's a disaster. Now we have William Carlson with a broken wrist. He's done for the series. And. And he. And he threw the lines in a blender again. Panicking. He throw Marner up there with Stone and Eichel. Who scored the goals today? Dorothea. Both goals. Who were they assisted by? Both goals? Jack Eichel. It's not fucking rocket science.

[Whit]

Wow.

[Biz]

Merle's with the I told you so.

[Murr]

Yeah, that coach is just I told you so.

[Whit]

It's just. Yeah. If Merle says it, it's going to lead to. And I told you so because the man knows. Puck buried the lead a little bit. You just mentioned it. Carlson gets driven into the wall by Walker. Now I don't remember Game 4, but Blutman and Blutman. Blutman's down bad right now.

[Murr]

Walker was playing like a Savage.

[Biz]

He played unbelievable tonight.

[Whit]

That pass was unreal. But Walker rides Carlson in. Blutman had mentioned in game four he messed up his arm or wrist or whatever, but immediately you could tell he basically is like, oh, no. Goes to the bench, trainer looks at him, skates off the ice and torts. Then goes to the trainer and ESPN or ABC did a great job. And the trainer whispered something to him. And you just see him.

[Biz]

That was the same guy who, who told me my ACL was torn. Mirz.

[Whit]

Really?

[Biz]

Yeah, I had him in Ontario. Same guy, both of them.

[Whit]

Okay.

[Biz]

And then he. Yeah, he mouths that over.

[Whit]

And then the coach to the pump. Yes, yes, he does. Get that guy.

[Murr]

Get him back on Twitter.

[Whit]

And all the guys are like, coach, did he tell you business healthy, nothing's bad? He's like, no, he told me he's done. We never have to play with him again. He's like, you promise? It was both promise. Oh, that changed him up. We all remember listeners and us remembered Gary Lawless coming on saying, I don't know if he's going to play this series. And him playing that night against Anaheim. And since he came in, they had, they had, they had Marner back at the wing. They had their second line. They were dominant how. Scoring all these goals. And now it's like, man, Blutman called him the heart and soul of the franchise. I said, the franchise doesn't have a heart. But if Vegas fans want to say that he's the heart, I, I would agree with that. And it looks to be that he's done right. You can't do anything if your arm's broken.

[Murr]

No, but how, how much, like, how much are we putting on Gary Lawless for not coming on the show before the.

[Whit]

Oh, believe me, like, there's going to be a point.

[Murr]

Like, he should be begging to call in right now with them being down. Like, he should be begging to call in. And I, as much as I want bagas to win, I don't think we take that phone call. He tried to big time us.

[Biz]

Yeah, I agree. I agree.

[Memes]

Also, Vegas, they should be calling me. I'm three and oh, in the building, in Vegas in the Stanley cup finals. My phone. I'm looking for a free flight, free hotel, you know, Vegas suite, couple buff things.

[Biz]

Should send you the jet over.

[Memes]

I'm leaving for Sweden tomorrow, 135from Boston. You got a little bit of time. Vegas Golden Knights, you can.

[Whit]

Breaking news. This is John Tortorella just now. We'll be back here. We're just gonna do it In a different order. I'm leaving my clothes here. I'm leaving them in the hotel. So I mean bulletin board material. Torts and Messier. I could see it. We will win. We will win game six. That's basically what Torch just said. If he's leaving his. Unless it. Unless he's Allen Iverson. He just leaks at every. Every hotel. Torch is guaranteed.

[Biz]

He's like, my wife got me this suit. I hate it.

[Whit]

I know Merle's just said it.

[Memes]

But Torts also said William Carlson will likely not return to this series.

[Biz]

I think you got to get Willie cranking the horn with the good arm. Yeah, that's what I think. If you want to get the boys

[Murr]

going, if you really want to win.

[Biz]

Wow.

[Memes]

4 0. You want to be 4 0? Call me up.

[Whit]

Miles, how are you not going out there?

[Biz]

Wants to keep his marriage alive.

[Memes]

Vegas is a young man's game. Now we have another unbelievable quote from Torts here.

[Biz]

Wow. We got more Torts here.

[Whit]

More towards Tortorello.

[Memes]

This is from Greg Wisinski. Torello responds to a question about swapping Aiden Hill for Carter Hart.

[Whit]

He heard you say anyone who says it is an asshole. Exactly.

[Memes]

He goes, christ, that could be the stupidest question I've ever heard.

[Biz]

But it's not the stupidest question.

[Whit]

He's deflecting the way he says that. He's deflecting boys once again. And biz, this is you. This is. I'm going back to you. Bussy comes in. Incredible regular season where Hill didn't, but Bussy comes in. He's never played a playoff game. It's the cup finals. Hill won the Stanley cup. Why is that a crazy question? Why?

[Biz]

It's not like he just stepped in halfway through that final series either. Like Hill played in the Stanley cup final and he was unbelievable. I remember watching the series. Yes. Was Florida banged up? Were they getting opportunities? He stood on his head. I don't know. I got so much hate. I even had old teammates of my telling me how big of I was an idiot via text. I had to hop on the phone and defend my take about saying. What is so crazy about saying a Stanley cup winning goaltender potentially coming in who's been farther and accomplished more in the NHL than cat a hat.

[Memes]

The difference is they put Bussy in and on the road in a non elimination game. It was the perfect chance to throw him in. And then you go at home. It's exactly why Vegas should have put Hill in on Carolina. It's not an elimination game. It's on the road, you maybe you steal it. If not, Carter Hart's rested at home.

[Biz]

So you can't do it at home now.

[Memes]

No, because it's an elimination game now. Aiden Hill's first game in three months is going to be an elimination game. Can't do that to the guy.

[Whit]

The argument would be that he was just so this year. I mean that's probably like ports. Like, did you watch this guy this year? Like, it was just brutal. But back to Carolina obviously stalls the storyline. He is now the chalk -1 10 to win the con smite this year, which makes total sense based on this series and just being the captain and the leader.

[Biz]

He is starting the playoffs.

[Memes]

He was plus 550 yesterday with memesy. We're having a couple adult beverages. It said, what's the odds on stall to win the cons? Mithmer? And I said, weemsy, I like that idea. Let me look it up. Plus 550. And now it's down to minus.

[Whit]

I believe he was. Was he not 80 to 1 like after game two? Like probably it's just been. It's been domination by him. But. But I was kind of talking about him. But Stankholvin is unbelievable.

[Biz]

He's been awesome.

[Whit]

He is. He gets in on the forecheck, he gets underneath. Guys, I saw a clip on social of his dad being interviewed. His dad's tiny too. He's just talking about like basically the heart he has. He's like, it doesn't matter if you're small if you compete like him. And he wasn't being cocky or anything. He was just like, yeah, the kid's just a kind of a dog. And I watch him out there and he gets underneath McNabb a couple times tonight I didn't love and I love his game to shade Theodore's game tonight. I don't know, just. I don't. I mean he got the assist on the door fee of second one, but overall like lost a couple battles and stankhoven just continues to just kind of. I shock me, I guess because he's so small and we all were like, this is your second line center and he's making us look like an idiot.

[Biz]

Well, you mentioned his father, right? Wasn't it his father he talked to during Olympic break and he had a little heart to heart with him and I think he was more about a little bit of frustration. The points weren't coming and you know, maybe some struggles at moving to a new position at the NHL level. But my God, he has been just an Absolute bulldog, that whole line. Like I love Watson, Jackson, Blake play. And then Halsey, like when he first, when, when Tripp Tracy first used the Bennett comparison, I was like, I thought that that was a bit of a reach. But as like the finals as those series progress. I think he said it in the conference finals or right before it. I mean, fuck, man, he's making some big plays. He's. He's always making the hard play too. He's taking it to the inside himself. He's completely changed his game from maybe what it was like, you know, five, ten years ago. So just a credit to that whole second line. And throughout a lot of these playoffs, there's almost bought time for that first line to show up. And then tonight I was a. That was such a big game for Svetch. Like he needed, he needed one of those big time. I think he only had a goal in the season. Ajo was, was marvelous. So really both of them and what they've been able to do the last couple.

[Ari]

Yeah.

[Memes]

To stay on Carolina. And Theodore's not great game was at Martinook when he got in on that four check.

[Murr]

Oh, oh, yeah. That was that Theodore who was back. Yeah, I think it was right way.

[Whit]

Yeah, that's who I thought it was him. That's kind of what I was thinking of is. I mean give Martin a credit.

[Biz]

But that was when he tried to go to Ehlers, I believe and missed him. And it went to Walker at the point and he's the one who sent it over to Ajo. And talk about us, talk about this, the skate to stick play and flick of the wrist top cheese, man. Like that's hard, man. Carter Hart can get over quick, right. But he didn't give him much time with that, that skillful play. So just remarkable stuff. And it all starts with Martinook. That's a heart and soul guy right there for the Carolina Hurricanes.

[Whit]

Carolina HURRICANES Most multi point games Stanley cup final history 2026 eavers has three, stall has two glosses, bear has two. So you're just seeing so many different guys from this lineup make an impact. Costa Spare looked awesome. He is like I, I know we've kind of said it over and over, but underrated him a lot and then he's just been dominant and I'm just.

[Biz]

You see that stick play he made defensively in the first. I think it might have been on Arner. Oh my God. He's gonna done both ends as well.

[Whit]

Yeah, didn't.

[Murr]

Didn't notice Martin much tonight but you know, with the way he's been playing this playoffs like those guys. They're going to be ready to go for Game 6. They're going to have a leadership meeting on the plane back tomorrow. Whatever it is, this team's going to be ready to go on one of their.

[Biz]

So. So what happens? You've had Marner who stepped in as second line center when Carlson was out the whole year. Are you putting them back right there Murr.

[Murr]

As long as you. As long as you keep Michael with

[Memes]

Thor and Barbershad then I don't care. Do whatever you want with the rest of them. Stone would hurdle. I need. No, I need Stonewood hurdle too. I need those two big slow smart players. Just. Just forces. So who do I got left sizz

[Biz]

in the middle of those guys?

[Memes]

Somebody's going to have to step up who we got in the minors

[Whit]

because

[Memes]

I don't want to break up the other lines. I like that fourth line. They play good together.

[Biz]

I like the fourth line.

[Memes]

I want that third line. I got to find a guy from the Miners. Maybe I can play in the game too.

[Whit]

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[Biz]

Oh yeah. No I'm not. I'm not going to be drinking much like I'm done. I'm going back to being sober.

[Whit]

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[Biz]

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[Whit]

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[Biz]

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[Murr]

I can't wait to See that one? Just the videos that you sent us.

[Biz]

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[Whit]

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[Murr]

Yeah it's just like I felt like while he was falling he could just picture because I played with Mark and Eric Stahl, both hilarious guys and relentless chirpers. I feel like Jordan could foresee the text messages he was going to be getting after the game if he missed

[Whit]

that and cup finals are giving it to him.

[Murr]

You think oh I'm 1 million percent. And then he's just like I got to get some wood on this and finds a way to score. And Hart got over, almost made the save.

[Biz]

Just the just trickled over his glove.

[Murr]

Yeah. So yeah, I mean just shows what a horse that guy is. Anyone else is on the ground not getting any wood on it.

[Whit]

Another big time move. We're flip flopping between games. Obviously right after this one you're thinking more of this one. But Rod the B man, this guy makes a hell of a movie. Puts Martinuk up with AO and Svetnikov. Then Jarvis down with Stall and ers. Probably makes every those two lines a little bit more even.

[Murr]

Right.

[Whit]

You get a little bit more offense from Jarvis who's now with Stall and Ers. And ers has been so good offensively. And then you get Martinook maybe grinds it out a little bit more for Ajo And Spect and Ajo both score. Now granted, you know, Species are on the power play, but I like that. That's a ballsy move. And the murder, that's kind of like similar to the way you liked Vegas's lines with Stone on the third line.

[Biz]

Yep.

[Memes]

You got to spread it out a little bit. But another thing I noticed in this game was the crowd down in Carolina. They were going nuts. And I loved how half of them were standing the entire game.

[Biz]

It seemed tarps off.

[Memes]

Still, they just gave that, that team they had extra energy and that's what home crowds are supposed to do. So gotta shout out those belligerent Carolina fans.

[Murr]

Ray Ferrero said that it's way louder

[Biz]

in Carolina and they don't pump fake noise in, which is kind of BS if you're pumping fake, fake crowd noise in the building.

[Whit]

Is that like happening in Vegas?

[Biz]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a thing.

[Whit]

They're pumping like tunes or fake crowd noise.

[Biz]

I think it's to elevate the crowd noise to help with it. We, I mean we were there at the start of the year against the Kings and I'm pretty sure that's what goes on. It's loud in there. Like don't get me, don't get me wrong, but I think you can tell when it's coming from people rather than just the sound system. And, and when we were in like the. I've never been there, but I would imagine like is Bristol the nascar the race? It just feels like. They say because the, the building's like all cement that it just vibrates and the noise kind of radiates off the walls and it, it, it was louder than Montreal.

[Memes]

They're like an SEC football crowd.

[Biz]

Yeah, they're like a NASCAR crowd. They just get rowdy. They're drinking, they're having fun. You got that guy in that silly costume like you see have you say that guy in the blow up outfit. That's always there. They always show with the big bus sign on it.

[Memes]

Today he wears yellow now as his bus.

[Biz]

Yeah, yeah.

[Memes]

They're not drinking athletic brews. Too many athletic brews out in the tailgate. The way they look. Some of those fans walking in today.

[Biz]

Did you guys read this one? Jordan St. Tim Thomas as the oldest person to win the con smite by 150 days if he were to win it. Did you, did you read that yet?

[Murr]

No.

[Whit]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[Biz]

Did he read it?

[Whit]

He didn't. So we did not.

[Murr]

We talked about it like. So it's not all you do in the finals to win Conn Smythe. It's kind of everything throughout the playoffs. Right. But him putting this performance in.

[Whit]

But when it was so even, like there was no.

[Murr]

No one on that team.

[Whit]

Marner is like above everyone else. And then the finals, obviously he did even more. But Carolina, it was kind of like Anderson, I think was the guy.

[Memes]

Yeah, he was the favorite.

[Whit]

Not even the goalie anymore.

[Memes]

Biz had to remind me because it feels like it was two seasons ago. What was it, 11 seconds in or three seconds into the first game, he fought Brady Kachuk.

[Biz]

Everything off.

[Memes]

So he. He does have the full body of work for the whole playoffs. And He's. He's won 8 million face offs.

[Whit]

No. Yeah, the face off. Things getting out of control. Murran and Biz, I know you guys were together with the guys during this one. With all the comebacks we've seen, including game four, it's three one. Caroline, all of a sudden it's three three. Were you waiting for Vegas to get one or did night feel a little different to you?

[Biz]

So if we're going back to game four, I was confident that Bussy was going to close the door because of the tarot card lady reading. And she has been right about every game. And they. And they said it was going to be a barn burner, but then yet they were going to prevail.

[Whit]

And I just figured tonight.

[Biz]

She said tonight that they. That. That it was going to be a storm early from the Vegas Golden Knights in which it was 11 to 1 in scoring chances and that ultimately that Carolina would prevail. Yeah, I know that she's five for

[Whit]

five simulation simulator Game six pick yet.

[Biz]

No, I think she does it like a day or two in advance in this case. It might come out tomorrow, but I would imagine it's two days and memes found game five. I actually didn't watch game fives until game five was over.

[Memes]

Yeah, memes gives up, gives out the picks after the games.

[Biz]

But no but timeout. But I saw it on my own timeline before game four. That's why I kind of knew that what was going to come because she'd been bang on the three prior games. But tonight though felt a little different. When they were up 4:2 and they took that puck over the glass from Ehlers, I thought that they something squirrely was going to happen and off of the night like Going back to last night, the knicks had a 29 point comeback. So I'm just like, oh, we're going to be getting some crazy playoff finals action going here. So I just had this weird feeling that Vegas was going to come back, but ultimately Bussey three was it three

[Whit]

puck over the glass panel three tonight.

[Biz]

KeAndre Miller had one and then Ehlers had two.

[Memes]

That was their only penalties they took.

[Whit]

I mean, disciplined team. It's just if they're, they're very disciplined. I noticed that when they're on like a couple times like defenseman snapping up nice passes in the neutral zone and like you can't. You. It's hard to even tip it in for Vegas. Like they're just in your face, in your face. And when they're going like that, that's like the. I mean, obviously Montreal was not, not a team like Vegas. They're not that good. But it's, it's like the same feeling at certain moments in tonight's game of like you can't get anything. I mean, what was it? They had 13, 14 shots with like 10 minutes to go in the game.

[Biz]

Yeah, another thing too. I mean, we mentioned McNabb getting injured and then Carlson. Now luck as far as guys staying healthy and the injury bug is a major, major factor here. I mean, all of a sudden the PK has struggled a little bit since McNabb got that puck in the face. Like he's a big part of that. He was in the box for the one that the, the BL in. I think that was the five hole from, from Svetchnikov. And then, and, and then also, I mean, I mean, Carlson, that one doesn't. We can, we don't need to overstate that one again. But right now just a couple significant injuries in the Vegas Gold Knight lineup. What do you got, Yansy? Anything else?

[Murr]

No, I think we touched on it, right. For both games.

[Whit]

Bossy man. First goalie in NHL history to make his first two career playoff starts in the cup finals and win both of them. So just to see his interview after game four as well, where I think it was Kyle Bukowskis mentioning and showing him the video of his parents in the crowd and he got pretty emotional. And I think for a guy like that, it's, it's probably even, even more emotional to watch because like, you were never a sure fire vet to even play in the NHL. Like you, you were on waivers in camp and now you're winning a Cup final game and your parents are there and it's like the emotion takes over. But it was a pretty cool moment that shows. Takes a village, right? Like his. Imagine what his parents have meant to his career. And it's not just like the rides and what people talk about in terms of being having good hockey parents. And all the time they give up. It's probably a lot of, like, therapy sessions at times with his dad or his mom when you don't know if you ever make it and you get, you get sent down, you don't make the team. And they're just the ones that are probably keeping him pretty positive, which he seemed to be a very positive guy when we interviewed him. I really enjoyed chatting with him. So that was pretty cool to see the emotion that he was going through, even saying, like, I didn't know. You're gonna make me cry.

[Biz]

They were showing him again tonight.

[Murr]

Especially as a goalie too, right? When you're younger, you probably don't have the goalie coaches on the ride, homes. You're talking with your dad or your mom, getting everything off your chest, whatever it is. But when we interviewed him, he just seemed so in the moment with everything that he kind of does. And you can tell on the ice, like, he's never too high, never too low. He's, you know, he's smiling out there if he needs to. He's serious. He's got the crazy eyes going. He's just, he seems like just a prototypical perfect goalie that nothing really rattles him. And he's been incredible. And I don't know, like, it does honestly seem, which it shouldn't in the NHL, but that opposite hand is just screwing with the Vegas Golden Knights a little bit.

[Biz]

Yeah.

[Memes]

There's definitely some things that go different on it. I gotta ask you guys, is it his net the rest of the way, no matter what happens in Vegas on Sunday?

[Biz]

I think so, yeah.

[Murr]

Especially if Anderson's actually hurt.

[Whit]

Yeah, yeah. That if Andrew's question wasn't hurt, maybe he doesn't play well. Game six, they lose, they go back to him. At this point now it's like, and, and, and it's just back to like, the guy who was unbelievable all season, whatever he play. I mean, what do you lose five games?

[Biz]

The way this, the way this series and season have gone, it's going to be Anderson versus Hill in game seven. Give me a break.

[Whit]

No, it'll be like Kochov first, Bill. We'll be like, holy. Now, I, I, I said canes in seven before the series. So I still think with the madness of this series, Vegas could pull it off Carlson things. It's hard not being able to stop the puck or not be able to not give up four goals and then the Carlson. I don't know what's more worse or more important. I guess heart considering Carlson's now done and towards thinking we're all complete idiots for even mentioning a former Stanley cup winning goaltender for that organization possibly playing for a guy who can't save the puck.

[Murr]

Don't you think just confidence wise like Carter Hart seeing those quotes from his coach and he's like hey listen, I know I'm giving up four every game. This guy's got my back. I gotta go out there game six.

[Biz]

Yep.

[Murr]

Battle my nuts off and I like the play from torts to stick with his guy, you know. And what was the last game Hill played? Right. So it's like you stick with your guy who's got you there. You got to ride him and, and if he can get you two more wins, if not it's like you still, you still you had your guy and you went with him. You, you live by the sword. Died by the sword.

[Whit]

I, I, I, I want to say to Carolina fans, there's one thing I don't love. And going back to 2024, the Oilers, they went three in a row to force a game seven and the two days off. And I think Carolina would be begging to play this game Saturday night. That extra day off, going home. I think it helps Vegas maybe the pace Carolina plays with just to get them a little bit more energy they like. But I'm looking to get back on as quick as we can to try to lift Lord Stanley. And now Vegas, just an extra day leader, you know, a very veteran group. Would you not agree that that helps them?

[Memes]

Yeah, I think it always helps the losing team. It didn't, it showed in game four. They had the break after game three, two days Carolina, you know, it's not as bad as it thinks. You get that extra day and just it's a brand new start.

[Murr]

Yeah. Especially for, I think Bossy would rather play, you know, one day in between. Aho, those guys who scored got feeling good about themselves. So with the extra day might be worse on them. So yeah, I think if you're a Golden Knights fan, you're, you're happy for the extra day.

[Whit]

Pretty crazy that that was the first game of the cup final that wasn't tied at any point of the third period. And the ratings, they've just gone up and up and up. I'd like to see tonight's But I'm assuming it's higher than game four, which was higher than game three, which was higher than game two and so on. So the ratings have been incredible. The hockey's been unreal. Let's hope we get at least one, if not two more, more nutso crack hockey games. That would be ideal. What Anything else but any you guys on this series?

[Biz]

No, I think we've, I think we've covered it all and it's been great. It's lived up to every bit of hype. And we talked about it before it started. Like people were like, ah, there's no one's gonna watch it. Boring storyline. Are you out of your mind, buddy? This is on everything we expected and more so far in this series. We didn't, we didn't think Carolina was going to be able to keep up goal wise with the Vegas Gold Knights.

[Whit]

Yeah, it is crazy, but it's insane. That was, that, that was one thing. Can they score? They haven't really had to score that much and they're scoring. I don't ever remember seeing them score like this. I'm sure there's times in regular season they're putting up this many goals, but I thought these would all be 2:1.

[Memes]

Well, let's. This will be the last pod. This will, there won't be another pod before the game on Sunday. Right now it's, it's a, It's a coin toss. Minus 110. Who are your picks for game six? Who you got winning? Whit?

[Whit]

I got. I, I only because I picked Carolina. And seven. I'm gonna just stick to my guns there and script. I'm gonna, I'm gonna say 4:2, Vegas with an empty netter. So Hart is able, and I'm calling for his job, but he's able to not give up four goals and we see a game seven.

[Ari]

Yeah.

[Murr]

As much as I'd like to wait till the tarot card reader lady puts out her fit to give mine, I'm going Vegas. And I like a 4, 43 overtime win.

[Biz]

I, I have a feeling it's going to overtime too. And I, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say four, three, overtime as well. Yeah, I'm gonna steal your pick. I like that. Pinky's up dog. What a.

[Murr]

Who scores in overtime? Say it on three. One, two, three.

[Biz]

What'd you say?

[Murr]

Howden.

[Biz]

Oh, all right. That's what I got. It's going to be a great game.

[Memes]

Yeah, I, I gotta, I gotta go with Vegas. I think it's going to Be low scoring. We're gonna get one low scoring game. Give me the 3. 2 overtime Vegas with Stone doing it and coming by with his big hand and all that. And then I'll fly back from Sweden for game seven. Cause I gotta see the cup on the ice every year.

[Whit]

Yeah, big knob Mark Stone.

[Murr]

But murder the cup would be in the building for game six. If you want to change that flight to Sweden from to Vegas.

[Whit]

Yeah, Pinky in the brain.

[Memes]

Vegas calls me, I'm in.

[Whit]

Take it easy. Tomorrow night in Vegas, rip it up Saturday, rip it up Sunday, then fly to Carolina where there's another two days off. They wouldn't play till Wednesday. Game seven, you got this. And then right back to Sweden on the grind, daddy daycare style. Rollback, boys, rollback. Listen up. Playoffs are here. They're almost over. The weather's hot now. And Roback just dropped some new heat you need to know about. First, the Roback medley. Swim trunks. Roback said we do everything else. Why not? Water, quick dry, four way stretch, built in liner that is so comfortable you actually want to not cut it out. These things go from the 19th hole to the dock without missing a beat. Game 7 Energy All Summer long. That might be a sign we're getting game seven. The Roback ad read has a game seven Energy line in the mix. So lightwear, looper shorts. Also the gym fabric, the gym short fabric you love in the looper model you already know. Stretch waistband, belt loops and comfortable lightweight fabric. Those are my favorite shorts. These are the shorts you wear to watch the overtime winner and not have to change before you go celebrate. Basically. If you want to be dressed as well as the boys hoisting the cup, roback.com is where you go. That's R H O-B-A-K.com use code CHICKLETS20 off your first purchase through the end of the week.

[Memes]

You guys look great in those Roback golf shirts. I gotta say if. If my mom or my wife's listening, I could use one of those pink ones. I like that pink.

[Biz]

I'll give you my new one.

[Murr]

Yeah. Father's Day coming up soon, right?

[Memes]

Father's Day coming up.

[Biz]

Stains on it that.

[Memes]

I feel like that pink one is just perfect for everything. Mother's Day, Easter, you know when you gotta dress, you can't wear a Chiclets T shirt.

[Biz]

No, I. You gotta dress up a little bit.

[Memes]

Yeah. Like twice a year.

[Biz]

You ever do the tie with the golf shirt?

[Whit]

No.

[Ari]

Is that.

[Biz]

Is that a real back in the day? Yeah, back in the day.

[Murr]

Sometimes if you forgot a dress shirt on the road, but you had a collar to one on the time.

[Biz]

Exactly.

[Murr]

Nice play.

[Memes]

I mean, I don't even. I didn't even like the short sleeve dress shirts with the tie.

[Murr]

Oh, those are my favorites.

[Memes]

It's a bad look.

[Whit]

So I think next on the docket is quite obvious. Just a wild, wild story. Oh, yeah, it's very funny. That kind of indirectly, like, comes back to us a little bit. We're not looking to ever get people fired. We're not looking to really break news. We're just kind of the guys who talk about what. What's happened. We don't dig what has happened. Biz does not dig.

[Biz]

We're not diggers.

[Whit]

But Mike Babcock is apparently the Oilers choice to be their new head coach. Now, a bunch of things to discuss here. Like, I'm going to start it off with like, what a fucking clown show the Oilers have been. Let's. Let's go over the. Let's go over the Oilers during this oil. Let's go over the oiler since they lost it breaks that they want to talk to Bruce Cassidy. They need permission from Vegas. Vegas says no. They have not said a word about Chris Knobloch. They think they're going to be able to get an interview. Bruce Cassidy quietly. If they get him or want to hire him or decide to hire him, they'll then fire Chris Knobloch. Well, the news breaks because they're not allowed to talk to him. So then they have to fire Chris Knobloch. They're then talking about trading or making Nurse make his no move clause not valid and work with him to make a trade that leaks before they talk to him. All of a sudden they want to hire Mike Babcock. That's the guy they're going to go with because they must know Vegas is never going to say yes to Cassidy. Then the NHLPA has to go and launch an investigation. That was going to happen before he resigned from Columbus, but after his resignation, before he ever coached a game, by the way, the investigation was canceled. What a clusterfuck. What a clown show.

[Biz]

And then now it's coming out, that nurse is requesting a trade. Or is that false?

[Whit]

And then I don't. That's an. I don't know where that. I saw that pop up, but I'd never know what's valid.

[Biz]

He's probably seeing all this shit go down and say, saying, fuck, I'm done. I'm done with my name getting dragged through the mud. Get me the Fuck out of here.

[Whit]

Yeah, and I don't want to play for Babs either. Now, I do have to say that it's the. The players, obviously, in Edmonton, and when people say the players, I'm pretty sure it's two players. Like, and maybe it's not just those two guys. And.

[Biz]

And they probably ask Jari, too.

[Whit]

I think Hyman and. Yeah, yeah, exactly. They're asking.

[Memes]

People have said Hyman's been the biggest advocate.

[Whit]

Oh, I think Hyman. Hyman is a part of that leadership group. I think Nugent Hopkins is a part of the leadership groups. I thought Nurse was, but he's now gone.

[Biz]

Well, they asked me, said no, so they told him he had to go.

[Whit]

They want Babcock. Okay. That is why it is hard to sit back and just completely carve this, considering the players were brought in and just. And everything was discussed with them. And apparently they met with Babcock. I don't know who, but some of them did. And they're like, this is who we need. On the other side of it, I'm going to say this is a fucking joke. I cannot believe. I cannot believe the amount of talented hockey coaches that are in the world right now that Mike Babcock. This. This guy. There's. There's 15 to 20 guys who publicly have spoken about how bad of a guy Mike Babcock is. And we got a team that literally needs to win the Stanley cup next year, picking Mike Babcock, who hasn't won a playoff series in 13 years. He won a Stanley cup with a legitimate. Like, well, look at that team that beat us.

[Murr]

Yeah, they were.

[Whit]

They're on the hall of Fame, half of them. It's not exactly like he won gold medals. You've seen the rosters of the gold medal teams.

[Biz]

G could have used them this year.

[Ari]

Don't understand.

[Whit]

Of all the people out there, Mike Babcock. That's what they're.

[Biz]

No, it's so from. From, like, the sheer, like, when it broke. Entertainment perspective of it.

[Whit]

It's like, oh, you love this. You love it.

[Biz]

Well, no, but there's two. Two sides of the coin. I love it because it's like, oh, my God. Like, this is a insane storyline. Like, what are the chances that this dysfunctional team we just talked about who went through the Cassidy situation is now bringing in Mike Babcock? Like, that's a crazy thing. Like, right? Like, that's like. Like, if you would have said, give me your top 50 craziest headlines, nobody in their mind would have guessed that. Nobody Nobody would have guessed that.

[Whit]

The other side, I think we mentioned this joking on an episode.

[Biz]

Yeah, because exactly that's how far fetched it was. We were stupid enough to say it. But the other side of it, I don't. I'm okay if this guy coaches again. Like I'm okay with it. Like who the.

[Whit]

Am I break any laws?

[Biz]

Yeah, I, I mean maybe, maybe in some cases with taking a guy's phone

[Whit]

and asking because I think they like handed over the phone.

[Biz]

Well, I get there's some discrepancy there.

[Whit]

Like I don't think legally this guy like ever. Right.

[Ari]

But also.

[Biz]

But if you got Mike Commodore saying you biz no way he should coach again, I'd say, well, I'm gonna sit this one out because I wasn't a guy who he personally like basically on bag skated try to strip all of his confidence and essentially play mind games with him. And Mike Commodore is not the only guy who talks about it. We've told plenty of examples. We talked about the, the Mike Modano 1500th game and the fact he wasn't able to play it because whatever, for whatever reason Babcock had some personal vendetta against him.

[Whit]

That's when he said we didn't bring in here to play 1500 games. We brought you in to win the Stanley Cup. When they could have done both.

[Biz]

They could have done both possibly are. The Johan Franzen stuff's probably the worst stuff we've heard as far. The Marner is kind of ridiculous too. What do you have? What do you do? He told him right, right down the like the five laziest guys on the team basically.

[Murr]

And then they called him out and

[Biz]

then, and then, and then he went in the room and read the list. So just stuff like that, putting guys behind the eight ball and stuff where it's like there's enough like mental energy to go around to like fix the power play and help this guy and help that guy where. Why are you taking brain power to do the type of shit that we've heard that he's done behind the scenes and obviously the most recent, get the younger guys. And it's also been described publicly as the fact that it was, oh, he would show pictures of his family on his phone and then ask the married guys with kids to show the their family photos. And yes, that type of situation has happened with Babcock and former teams and maybe even some of the players in Columbus. But the problem, what was happening was he was basically getting these younger players to open up their phones and scroll through. Do I know what he was looking for? Could it have been maybe text messages between some of the younger players and their other buddies about the fact that he's even a fucking head coach again in Columbus? Could it be that he wants to see party pictures like in the past, like we've heard from Tyson Berry, where he wants to know what your habits are off the ice and wants to get the upper hand by looking at what you have as far as pictures. Oh, this is, this is what you think's funny? This is what you're sharing with your buddies. This is what you're taking photos of. So I just think it's a. It was a massive invasion of privacy. It was a type of, you know, another way to get a mental edge because maybe he can't get away with the stuff that he did earlier in his coaching days. But with all that said, maybe he will finally learn from all that. And maybe we're going to see a different version of Mike Babcock. I don't care. I don't got to be in that room. I don't give a flying. If that leadership group, if they're that desperate to find a coach that they think can steer them the right way to win a Stanley cup and they think the answer is Mike Babcock, well, then go have it. And, and if they win it and he's a changed man, it's a great story. If he's going to continue to be an asshole like, like Commodore says, it's not the, the McDavid's or the dry Sidels or those, those guys who made the decision for him to be coach that are going to suffer. It's the arena staff guy, the, the parking lot attendant. It's the people that in Mike Babcock's world don't really matter, like the fourth liners and the guys he can fucking toy with. It's those people that you got to worry about. And that's why Mike Commodore has been doing the media tour and talking about it, because he dealt with it firsthand and he can speak to it. So once again, there's two sides to this. The entertainment. Babcock's back. Oh, my goodness. Edmonton Oilers. They're in desperate need of a Stanley cup during Connor McDavid's core years. And if they don't get it in the next year or two and this doesn't work, he's probably gone. Yeah, that's fucking entertaining for what we do here as a podcast, but I'm not taking away any of the feelings that the Tyson Berry's, the Marners, the Franzens, the Commodores, I'm not taking away their firsthand experience as to how hellish this guy can be.

[Whit]

There's more that kind of goes into this. This is according to Frank Saravalli. So he said yesterday, no, Wednesday. If the Oilers elect to continue down the path with Mike Babcock, sources say the NHLPA is in receipt of significant additional claims from their own investigation with players that were pub. So not publicly reported then, he says. Furthermore, sources indicate that asking players to see photos is not what ultimately resulted in Babcock's resignation. It was the subsequent unknown allegations reported below. So it's like there's even more that we didn't even know about at the time of the Columbus resignation.

[Murr]

The only thing I was going to say is like, for McDavid and Draisaitl and that core group, like, it gives them an out in a year if it goes sideways with him as the coach, they can be like, hey, listen, it didn't work here. Now I want out. So I. If I was them, it's like, yeah, whatever. If you really want to bring this guy in. Whether do you think McDavid and dry Seattle went to Kate's and said, hey, we need. It's them coming to.

[Biz]

Exactly.

[Whit]

And saying, hey, Ohman coming to to hit them saying, hey, look at what this guy's done. We're thinking of him. We can't get Cassidy. Why don't you guys meet with him? What the fuck you think he's going to say to Leon and Connor? Hey, boys, how's the summer going? You want to get 130 points for me next year as I fucking ruin a fourth liner's life and put him in therapy? Which, by the way, that's a joke because McDavid, it's just, it's just kind of ridiculous. And like, Stan Bowman's the GM and Babcock's the coach.

[Biz]

It's like, listen, and I'd love to get stuff on to talk about it, but it goes back to the management and he said, well, oh, you know, you weren't as hard on Colorado as Edmonton. I think there's been a lot more fumble here from, from Edmonton Oilers management. There has been from Colorado. And then now Stoff is saying, like, there's no doubt in his mind that, that Connor McDavid is, is going to be here for the next seven, eight years after this.

[Whit]

He doesn't really speak out of turn.

[Biz]

Okay, so all of a sudden, Bab. The babcock hiring is going to change that or was he just giving them a couple three years at 12 and a half like what's going on here Year. You tell me if we get the next year of what we just saw this year that he's going to stay for that second year of that 12 and a half million dollar deal.

[Whit]

No, I don't know.

[Biz]

I'm not calling Stoff a liar either. I'm just kind of saying like hey man, we're just, we just posed the questions around here and it's, it seems a little ugly on that side right now. And it seems like a major, major desperation move.

[Murr]

Didn't Hyman just hire Babcock's son and for the junior.

[Memes]

Yeah, that's what I was gonna ask you with. Don't you find that funny? That they hired him was kind of the news. Babcock's back as coach for the NHL team.

[Biz]

Soft landing. Yeah.

[Memes]

And then they bring him there. So I, I just feel like maybe that's how it went. Leon. They're all meeting around and h and they're like Hyman, like what was he like? You think he's the one that could get us over the Hub?

[Whit]

Hyman. Hyman's career took off with him and, and I, I'm guessing that he's a guy that Hyman would say hey like he played the shit out of me. I, I, he probably taught me a lot on, on how hard I have to play play. Like you know how hard that guy plays.4 checking wise in front of the net and Babs gives him a real chance and he goes on to be a real good player. The leaf signs a huge ticket and look at him now as a player. I mean he scored 50 goals last year two years ago. So that's a guy that would probably have some things to tell Conor and Leon. Like hey like, and by the way like Toronto was pretty good with him biz. I know they never really did much but they had some good teams.

[Biz]

I, I, like I said I have no problem with he, him even getting another opportunity but that's yeah, I kind of do.

[Whit]

I kind of do man. More so there's different honor to coach in the honor to coach in the NHL.

[Biz]

I know I'm, but right. And I'm not trying to like make light of what has happened. I'm a big second chance guy. You could, you might be saying well fuck, you already got a second chance. The second chance was coming back with Columbus and he didn't even make it over at a training Camp that crowd right there. I just refused to be the type of guy to stomp on someone's grave. You just got to hope that somebody like that, like, you know it learns from what he's done. I mean, what's the guy, 50 something years old? He has to learn at some point to not be a fucking asshole and treat people.

[Whit]

Are some people in life who never learn. I think that I'm with you, dude. I know you're. You're an optimist and you, you see the best in people and I, I wish I was more like you. I think I'm getting better as I age. But there's definitely people who just don't change. And the fact of the matter is the guy can obviously coach. I was making a joke before about the Red Wings team he won with and, but he brought that Ducks team to the cup final in 03 and he obviously exit. O wise knows what he's doing. I mean you're not running hockey Canada and winning two gold medals if you're not dialed. It's just the off ice stuff and like beyond the fourth liners and the sixth and seventh defenseman we could torture because it's never the superstars who catch the heat once it starts coming out that he's like giving it to arena workers and parking attendants too. It's like this guy's coaching the fucking oilers in the second to last year of McDavid's contract. But, but, but McDavid's like okay with it. So that's where as an Oilers fan I'm kind of like, oh, I mean, how are you supposed to say, like how are you supposed to completely carve it? Although I think I'm completely carving it with the best player in the world being like, no, like this is who we want.

[Murr]

Obviously you're Edmonton fan. What do you think fans are saying? Like, have you read anything on Twitter?

[Whit]

I've seen, I've seen. I think I've. I would say what I've read is like 65, 40 don't like it. But there are fans who listen. All Oilers fans I think agree you need a little bit of a hard ass back there now. You know, I don't think Woodcraft was super tough on them. Knobloch certainly knock. Barely spoke. I mean I don't even. I never see that guy make a facial expression on the bench. He was just even keeled. And now I think they want somebody that's demanding and, and, but once again, like Leon and Connor, they don't. What are you going to say to them, they're. They're the best players. They. They don't really fuck up. Now, would. Would a guy come in there, like Cassidy or Babcock could be like, hey, that was bullshit from you guys tonight.

[Ari]

You.

[Whit]

Where were you defensively? You were cheating at, I assume. And maybe that's what they want, too. It's just for this. Babcock. Mike Babcock. What are we doing? It's crazy. Mike Babcock, I'd rather.

[Murr]

Like we talked about.

[Whit]

I would rather. And I saw a couple reports that like. Like, say, the nhlp. So they now have. This is. They now got to go do that.

[Biz]

And keep in mind, I was saying that based on not knowing what this other investigation ended up finding. Like, I. I genuinely.

[Whit]

Nobody knows.

[Biz]

Yeah. So I don't know what was found. So.

[Whit]

Okay, so here's the thing. When he resigned, the NHLPA investigation was canceled because it's like, oh, well, they should have just done it then. They should have done it. Even though he resigned to. To find out if this guy and whatever he did is now, like, done and, like, banned. You know what I mean? Because by not. And I don't really blame the PA because he resigned. So the PA is like, oh, we

[Biz]

got rid of the problem. He can go.

[Murr]

They're like, us. They didn't think he'd be coming back.

[Whit]

Exactly. Exactly. So Marty Walsh and Hainsey, they're like, yeah, well, this guy's done for us. See you later.

[Murr]

Yeah.

[Whit]

And. And now all of a sudden, I'm sure Hainsey and Marty Walsh are like, what the fuck? They got to go back. They gotta. They gotta meet with all those guys on Columbus. What do you think those guys want to do? It's June 12th. They're just like, training. Oh, we gotta talk about that day. Babcock took my phone and scrolled through my pictures. But like I said, there's something else. So if this comes out that whatever else he did, it is too bad to allow him to coach in the league again. Then the Oilers, then what are they doing? Because they're not. Obviously, they're not getting Cassidy. I also can't believe that they didn't just wait and say, babs, we're going to hire you. And if we don't get Cassidy, and then Vegas gives them the official no after the Cup Final. Okay, Babs, come on in. So if they. If they're not allowed to hire Babcock now. I saw some. I saw some Darrell Sutter stuff.

[Biz]

Oh, God.

[Whit]

I saw Daryl Sutter. Tweet.

[Memes]

Well, Stoff told us well a month ago. It's going to be a guy, a guy that has won a, won a cup. And I forget what word he used.

[Biz]

Like gravitas, my new favorite word. Cadence.

[Memes]

I don't think Babcock ever coaches a game with the Edmonton Oilers.

[Murr]

I agree with you.

[Memes]

I just think it's going to keep snowballing here and I think the ownership's finally going to realize like, hey, the juice is not worth the squeeze here.

[Biz]

What a waste of time and energy to get to that point though.

[Memes]

And the seat like this season could end in three days. And then Vegas is like, they're kind of obligated to. I mean their excuse before was we don't have the time right now to figure this out. Well, you got the time now so you can go. Bruce Cassidy could go to Edmonton.

[Whit]

So it's like I, at this point, at this point they're. I, I don't, I don't think Vegas is letting Cassidy interview with the oil.

[Biz]

I think, I think keeping him out of division. Yeah.

[Whit]

And now, and now that this has happened, they're like, oh, a division rival is a complete, complete clown show over there. Like, nope, sorry.

[Memes]

Batman should be begging the Vegas Golden Knights to let Bruce Cassidy interview in Edmonton.

[Whit]

I swear, I swear to God right now, the second rounder, if they can't get Cassidy and Babs is not allowed to coach,

[Murr]

they go, no coach.

[Whit]

I'm calling my, I'm calling Terry.

[Memes]

If you need an X as an O's guy, if you need an adjustments guy.

[Whit]

But he's demanding. He's an X is an old wizard and I'm trying to pick who else is. They obviously want an old school hard ass guy.

[Biz]

Terry Ryan senior, who else is out there?

[Whit]

Fizz. Seriously. Terry Ryan senior, who else is out there? Bit seriously, it seems like.

[Murr]

But did Edmonton even reach out to the league and to the PA to get this? Because it seems like it just kind of hit the headlines in that it was just hit everybody over the head with the news.

[Whit]

I don't know. They traded Stuart Sinner, he's a UFA for Jari's contract. If they just kept Skinner crazy, he's now off the books and they could offer big money at Bobrovsky or.

[Biz]

So I'm Thomas Dumbest I've ever seen.

[Whit]

It is a Cl. It's.

[Biz]

That might be dumber than the Babcock thing.

[Whit]

Imagine right now if they just had a bunch of. If they were able to unload the nurse contract that had A bunch of dough to get a goalie, by the way, a goalie that was on waivers might win the Stanley cup in two nights.

[Memes]

Why not Craig Berubi? Like, why haven't they. Like, Craig Barubi is a hard ass. Like, he. He's not going through people's phones. I don't think he's the best X's and O's and like, adjustment guy. I didn't see a lot of that in Toronto.

[Whit]

It's like. Well, I was going to say it wasn't a great year, but, like, Cassidy got fired and they wanted him. But, I mean, that's not. Yeah, I don't know. I. I don't know. But the way that this all broke, it was incredible when that came. It was incredible when that news came.

[Biz]

And I can't really think of any other coaches who could, like, just step into that situation who have any type of gravitas and cadence. Like, I'm not even around. I'm saying I can't even think of any names outside of. That

[Whit]

would have been an option going down the line.

[Biz]

But now he's hot, he's gone, he's in la.

[Whit]

So it's a wild, wild time. The league, the league, they do not disappoint. Right now, this league, it just comes up with wackier and wilder stories. Let's get Mike Babcock, who, by the way, I think a month ago, Drager had a tweet he asked Babcock about coaching. Goes, I love being retired. It's like, yeah, okay, and the Oilers are now Mike Babcock.

[Biz]

Crazy stuff.

[Memes]

Well, Tort. Torts could be a guy. He might be available for Augmentum.

[Whit]

That if they decide to not go with torts, that is for sure.

[Biz]

Or. Or they just offer him a way better deal. He's not. He hasn't signed for next year.

[Murr]

Yeah, but if he wins a cup, he'll be all happy right after they'll get him signed.

[Biz]

I don't know, man. They win, he says, five times. Five for torts. his age, he's probably thinking jing jingle.

[Whit]

Well, in. In better news around the league. Cooch did it, boys. One of the closest MVP votes ever, I believe. Was it. Did he beat McDavid by a hundred points or 10 points? It was close, real close. But Kucherov is the MVP, his second MVP trophy. G, how many people have won the MVP two times or more? What's your guess? My guess is 10.

[Biz]

No, not that many.

[Whit]

I don't know, man. We might be able to name 10 right now.

[Biz]

MVP, a guy who won multiple.

[Whit]

So, McDavid, Lemieux, David Kucherov, Bobby Orr did go, I'm guessing. Gordie Howe.

[Murr]

Sure. Maurice Richard, probably.

[Whit]

Yeah, I bet you. I bet you it's around.

[Biz]

Oh, really?

[Memes]

More than you think.

[Biz]

Gila Fleur.

[Memes]

It's 20.

[Biz]

Holy.

[Whit]

Yeah.

[Memes]

Gretzky. Gordie Howe, Eddie Shore. Bobby. Bobby or Bobby Clark. Mario Lemieux, Alex Ovechkin, Connor McDavid.

[Ari]

There's.

[Memes]

There's a lot of guys here, though.

[Whit]

Crosby. Yeah.

[Biz]

Okay.

[Whit]

Still pretty sick. Cooch just doing his thing. And that run he went on this year is something that was. Well, I think it was around 60 points in like 25, 28 games that run he went on. Incredible season by him. So that was pretty sweet. It was kind of crazy though, that I saw Colorado having the season they had. They didn't get the mvp, they didn't get the north, the Rocket, Adams.

[Biz]

They got the Rocket. It. That's it. The Richard. Yeah, we went over this today. McKinnon ended up getting that one. But I agree with you.

[Whit]

Led the league in assists per game, points per game, even strength points per game. Third in goal differential, seventh among forwards in like percentage.

[Ari]

Goal four.

[Whit]

They advanced that. An incredible season. So Cooch always wants to get better, too. That was the video, I think Coop said in it, he goes, he's just never, ever satisfied. The sign of a true legend. He wants to do more. He wants to win it again next year.

[Murr]

So we talked about it when with the sandbagger that just dropped. I can't remember if it made it to the cup, but Ryan McDonough, that was during Olympic break. And Ryan McDonough was saying Cooch was on the ice for two hours every day, skating by himself, just out there working on his craft. So he's not one of those guys. You might look at him be like, oh, everything just comes natural to this guy. But he puts in the hours, man. Like, that guy works his nuts off on the ice. Off the ice. And to be a two time hard trophy winner is incredible to do.

[Biz]

Yeah. Happy for him. Yeah. Like, I mean, I would have been happy with either, like every guy winning it. I feel like it was one of those years where just so many different players had exceptional years. But that point run you talked about and what he's able to do year in, year out. Yeah, he's a. He's. He's a legend.

[Murr]

So Tampa got Vassi, won the Besna, right?

[Biz]

Yep.

[Murr]

Coup won coach of the year. And then they get wow, that's an incredible year for them.

[Biz]

Yeah. Pretty good off here.

[Whit]

The voting was interesting, you guys. Obviously you could pretty much name the top four, right? It was Kucherov, it was McDavid, it was McKinnon. We knew that. Celebrating an obvious fourth, the fifth place in MVP was. Suzuki. Suzuki. Oh, pasta was six, Warrensky seven. Cole Caulfield was eight, Rasmus Darling, nine. Vasilevsky was ten. So actually Maurice Cider was 11th in MVP voting. It's pretty cool. Last thing we just mentioned. Quick La Violette gets the LA job. This guy have a job forever? He just gets hired for sure. A couple years from la. It. Gets hired. He'll be hired that Summer Family Cup. Yeah, you just. You get a job forever.

[Biz]

Yeah, just keep recycling them.

[Memes]

I'll never. He'll never coach the Upstate Stars at the Chiclets Cup, I can guarantee you that.

[Whit]

Okay, Fair, right? Fair. He did. He did cut you after scoring a goal and exhibition and it's bullshit.

[Memes]

On the plane. Handed me the plane ticket on the plane. Talk about like, can I start a Babcock thing about him?

[Biz]

We're going through a coaching search too, with the Gargoyles.

[Memes]

Okay.

[Murr]

So I think we should hire the guy who does the tv, the radio, the pr, that guy who's always on the Instagram. Hire him as the coach.

[Biz]

We could do that.

[Whit]

I agree.

[Murr]

Just.

[Whit]

But like, he still has to do all the other stuff too. You're a Jack of all.

[Biz]

Can Cassidy coach in another league? Or is that still kind of like tampering?

[Whit]

Well, he could coach in the NHL. It's just certain teams. Vegas won't let him.

[Biz]

Oh, okay.

[Whit]

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[Memes]

I we I. I stopped at a Shell gas station with RA a couple days ago and all he was doing is complaining.

[Whit]

Save it till he gets on. Because he drives. He's a great driver. So bring on ra.

[Ari]

Hello, everybody. Welcome to Ari's World. Here on Spit and Chick. Let's. It's late night. I love it. I feel like David Letterman when we record it this hour. Fun stuff. Great to see you boys this week. Had a fun time catching up. Great pizza yesterday at Darcy's ky. Good pick. Dude, you know what time I got home last night? And no, I didn't stay gassing beers down after he's left. I didn't get home till 9 o' clock last night.

[Whit]

Do you ever.

[Ari]

Dude, the signal doesn't work in that bother Internet. I couldn't get an Uber. I couldn't get a Lyft. I tried walking down the street. I had to call a taxi. I waited a half hour for. I didn't get home till 9 o' clock after the game.

[Biz]

Oh, no.

[Ari]

Sorry to hear that. I had a good cab driver actually. That's the way to go when you hit, hit Logan. But to catch up like two in

[Whit]

the afternoon for you though.

[Ari]

I know. Threw my whole cycle off wet. But, But Mer.

[Whit]

What?

[Ari]

I would complain and remember you at

[Memes]

the gas station there. Well, of course you knew the guy too. The one guy. The other customer. But you're complaining about the gas prices.

[Ari]

I think every American that had that and I don't even own a car. But I, you know, I, I. But I borrow a car, I put gas in it. Yeah, I think anybody who's filling their gas tank now is probably pretty pissed off when they look at the price and whatever with the specific.

[Murr]

You should get an electric car.

[Ari]

I'm not getting any guy. I don't.

[Memes]

He's banned from the streets. Whit. I know we got a lot of calls. I think both our wives were not impressed with us rollerblading on Interstate 90. It was more dangerous drive around Boston with our right than rollerblading.

[Whit]

We did there he doesn't, he's. He's openly admitted. He doesn't believe in red lights in the city. Correct.

[Ari]

Down there downtown sometimes optional know.

[Whit]

Yeah, yeah. I don't, I don't know. There's like bike riders and like people walking everywhere.

[Ari]

But I mean.

[Murr]

Right.

[Ari]

And I made up the story about a baby cash the other day. But I mean, I think, I think I knew how much you were in your pants. I think I might have been maybe up on the troll factor a little behind the wheel. But I mean, you know, I. Like I said, I've had one accident my life. I wasn't found that fall.

[Whit]

You don't have a car?

[Ari]

I did for several years up until a few years ago.

[Biz]

What did you have?

[Ari]

Oh, God. Dodge 600 back in the day. A Subaru hatchback back in the day. The last car I. I had was Toyota Camry, which is great.

[Whit]

You had a Subaru hat back?

[Ari]

Yeah, yeah. So I was in college. It was an experimental phase bumper sticker.

[Murr]

This car climbed Mount Washington.

[Biz]

Oh, for sure.

[Ari]

No, it's actually my mother's. It was a hand me down and yeah, it's a terrific vehicle that I enjoyed it.

[Biz]

But what was your favorite thing about it?

[Ari]

The reliability, honestly. And it was a stick shift too, was one of my cars. I bet none of you guys know how to drive a stick shift, right?

[Murr]

I do. My dad's a truck driver dude.

[Ari]

So what the that have to do with you? My father's a fireman that told me I'm gonna go put the fire.

[Murr]

Well, he had stick shift cars growing up, so that's how I know.

[Ari]

Okay, so you. So you learned on a stick shift. Okay, I did. You learn in a truck though?

[Murr]

Yeah, 18 wheeler.

[Ari]

Ball Buster goes both ways. Anyways, boys, tonight I think the Russians kind of. This is the first game where we watch in Vegas and they just, they didn't look nervous. They. But they just looked. Oh, okay. And I think the first time maybe panic has set in, maybe among that team, that fan base, maybe the team is a panic. But yeah, they, it's just they didn't have that. That pushback that we've seen so much from both teams this series. I just want to also give a shout out to gossip man. You know, a guy who started off great in the career kind of bounced around a bit, but he's been playing terrific hockey, particular in this finals right now. Also I love rooting for old dudes like that, like him and George martinook. You know, two 33 year old guys been humping for a long time, so. But particularly gossip, the way he's been playing. And I don't know if you saw this Tortorella clip. Elliott actually asked him at Thursday's afternoon press conference about, you know, making mistakes late in games. And Torts was saying how he was watching the Knicks game last night, well, Wednesday night, and basically how mistakes happen and guys kind of freeze up.

[Memes]

Far right side, Elliott.

[Biz]

John, you watched the end of the basketball game last night?

[Murr]

I did.

[Biz]

Okay. So. So I just, you know, wanted to ask you about, like, they've been watching our games.

[Ari]

Oh, yeah.

[Biz]

So they're. You're gotta show support back. Right. Well, I just. I mean, who would have. Who would have thought I wanted to go to bed, but when they got it down to 15, you knew something stupid was gonna happen. I'm just basically saying the same stupid stuff's happening in our series. Well, that's kind of what I wanted to ask you is, like, there's the play at the end of the game where. Where the spurs player goes in to take the layup, but he could take it back out and kill the clock. I just wanted to ask you, as a coach, in moments like that, you've got really smart players who really know hockey in the excitement of the moment, and it forces them to make decisions that maybe they wouldn't normally make. Like, just when you watch that and

[Ari]

you see that, what do you think?

[Biz]

As a coach? Yeah. And you watch that play, but I forget the guy, the basketball player's name, but he's probably a very intelligent player. I think the intensity and just the moment that's going on in the finals now, I mean, they're human beings. It just overcomes you sometimes to do some stupid things and. Yeah, I don't have an answer. Who can explain some of the things that's going on in this series? One thing as a coach, you look for. As long as they care, as long as they're trying, that's all you can ask. And there'll be some crazy things that go along with it.

[Ari]

Basically, he was saying, like, as long as. As a coach, as long as your guys do what you ask them to, and given the effort, then, you know, these guys are human beings. It's a much longer, like, elaborate answer, but it's good stuff. It was just.

[Whit]

Well, that's why he was so disgusted about Game 4, is he's like, we gave them that stall goal. A complete pizza, I think it was. Theodore Jarvis gets the mini breakaway save on that play. And then it goes to the Corner three guys are standing around Jarvis. He wins the battle. Nobody just eliminates him. Gets it to Ehlers who finds Stall. And I think Tort said that's what I can't handle that. Like that's what that makes me so mad. We gave them that. And it has been a theme that like a lot of Carolina goals, not necessarily tonight, but like throughout this series, Vegas is kind of just like, yeah, brain farts.

[Biz]

Couple brain farts.

[Ari]

And you mentioned the McNabb McNabb penalty earlier and that that was a shock. I mean obviously credit to coming back from that injury, but it was right after the previous penalty and it ended up essentially being the difference in the game. Carolina got the 21 lead which they never relinquished.

[Biz]

You know, it's never, it's never the, the first game back coming back from that nose thing. It's always the games after that because you're able to ride on adrenaline coming back from that. Getting hit in the puck with the face. Are getting hit in the face with a puck and it just feels like maybe energy wise and like he's like a step behind right now. And Yan's, you talked about when you're playing with the cage, like it kind of you up peripherally a little bit. So that'll help like or, or hurt with your, your stick movement, your stick plays. And maybe just a little brain fart there as a result of it too against Blake.

[Ari]

And as far as the card smite dog stall is now minus 120. Mine is up to plus 320. Stankoven plus 650. Hall 7 to 1, Gill is 161 and everybody else is way over 100 to 1. But murals, what's interesting, I wrote the, you know the odds for the next game that when we started here it's still a pick. I'm minus 110. But the over and underwent from six and a half down to five and a half just in the last like half hours.

[Memes]

Yeah, they heard my pick. The I said 32 OT was my pick. What's your pick for Sunday?

[Ari]

I think it's going to go seven. I, I think we haven't really seen a goaltender battle. Although tonight's game did go under murals. Am I, am I correct? It wasn't a six and a half.

[Memes]

I didn't look at that.

[Whit]

Wow.

[Ari]

Merle's not like you. But I believe six and a half the last ice ride. So first game to go under. I think we're due for like a real goalie battle. And I think Vegas, let's see. I'LL go four two with an empty netter.

[Biz]

That's what. That's what Whit had, right? Yeah. Four, two, Empty hunter. By the way, Whit, how do you feel after. Now the video's out, we could talk about it. You dunking that from the fairway. Oh, in the last time.

[Whit]

Awesome. That was awesome. Yeah, we were waiting for that to come out. I mean, just with Gruden there and like Maroon and McDonough running over and Groon, and they're competitive, but Groon, he. What do you say when I go. You didn't come over and congratulate? He goes, I got a new hit, man. Can't get over there, man. But Gruden's the best.

[Biz]

Oh, he's the best. He's so funny.

[Whit]

Such a good guy. He's. He's funny.

[Biz]

Great storyteller.

[Whit]

Great storyteller.

[Biz]

A million stories.

[Whit]

Just his voice, everything about him. I love that guy. And then he's. I think after that was the par three. Keith stuck it. We won that hole. And then the next hole is when he gave us the Brett Favre story. So that was a great. That was a great bag of a. Put in the app. Keith hit an eight iron. I'm one iron. I'm all, if Keith hits an eight, I hit a seven. Keith, it's a six. I hit a five, and Keith hit eight. And I think it was just. It was there, but, like, maybe a little short. No question. Seven iron, right? Right. When I hit it, we knew it was good. But that was. That was incredible. The fact that went in, that was unbelievable.

[Murr]

That was one of those moments

[Whit]

right now, a lot of the comments like, holy, it wasn't a hole in one. It wasn't an alpha. Shut that up.

[Biz]

These losers online with our buddies against

[Whit]

Gruden and two awesome friends of ours who are Stanley cup champs, and we. We hold a shot for an eagle ethic. We're gonna sit there and just give a couple knocks pinkies up? No, we're gonna go bananas. So we whip bananas.

[Biz]

Where'd you read that? Some on Twitter.

[Whit]

A couple people wrote me, like, oh, you ever been on a golf course? It's like, I don't know, buddy. Have you ever hit a shot from 160 yards uphill? Probably not with a seven iron that went directly into the hole? I don't know. Sorry I celebrated too hard. Sorry for having a good time. Sorry for enjoying my job and my friends in my life.

[Biz]

Miserable pricks.

[Whit]

I will say there was very funny comments of like, this. This is. This Is AI. There's zero chance this happened. These guys edited it. I did. Like those comments.

[Biz]

Just like the squirrel mauling my face.

[Whit]

That was funny.

[Biz]

What do you think? Yes.

[Murr]

No, I was gonna say before you gave that rundown, I was gonna say, I wish I could have bottled that, like, excitement that we had because, I mean, you don't get that too much excited anymore in life, like, to bottle that and have it. And I didn't even make the shot just for it.

[Ari]

It was a bottle.

[Whit]

We made the shot. What'd you say? Ra.

[Ari]

I gave you a bottle of that stock. All right, I don't want to cut you off, and I don't want to end your story before this. You weren't done with. No. What was that? I. I didn't watch something. Was that. Which shot was that? Because someone did ask me if it was a hole in one, and I believe it.

[Memes]

What was the yardage too there with.

[Whit]

No.

[Ari]

I'm not being a dick. I didn't watch.

[Biz]

No, no. He hit one from the fairway, dunked one eagle.

[Whit]

I just said it wasn't a hole in one or it wasn't.

[Ari]

I know I was. And I just acknowledged. I know it wasn't a hole in. Some of the else asked me. I didn't.

[Whit]

Second shot. I think it was the 13th.

[Murr]

Okay, so it wasn't a hole in one.

[Whit]

No, it wasn't a hole in one. It wasn't the second shot on a par four.

[Ari]

A bird, either way, with the shot was wildly impressive. And people are coming up to me and saying how good it was.

[Biz]

Those idiots online, the haters.

[Ari]

Let me preface this next point with, okay, every single fan base for every team on the planet has. Has fans. Fans. Idiot Fans. No doubt about it. But what we're seeing out of the New York Knicks fans during this finals is, wow, Dude. Yeah. Soccer and dudes ripping their clothes off. Did they try to light a guy's hair on fire? And then yet, like, after they won,

[Whit]

imagine he lit your cough in the back on fire.

[Biz]

Yeah, right. Atomic.

[Whit]

Another.

[Ari]

Save me 50 bucks on a haircut. Look, I know the exuberance to celebrate all the. They've had a lead all series the other day or last night, a dude threw a traffic on the air. Now, minimum, seven pounds, 30ft down. Dash the guy, he probably had to get staples in his head. He's out, you know, leaving a game. I've just seen more behavior. Look, I know New York's Giant, there's zillions of people there, but the collective amount of behavior, like by this fan base or, you know, ostensibly this fan base. I know it's brutal and I don't clean it the up, man.

[Whit]

Somebody threw something at Wemby going into the hotel.

[Biz]

No, I agree. It's like, remember we saw the video of the guy getting suckered in the subway? The. The guy with the Rangers jersey on. Sucker. And some other fan. It's just they're. They're at a different level. And like. Yeah, it's like, funny when you crowd the streets and they got people rapping and whatever, doing, like, silly stuff. But when you're trying to light people's hair on fire and you're ripping their clothes off and suckering them, like, it's just like. Like, what is this?

[Ari]

It's. It's 20 to 25 years of living with zero consequences. That's what I think a lot has to do with this.

[Whit]

I know.

[Ari]

He sound like a grandpa.

[Biz]

No, no, I hear it just.

[Ari]

It's just barbaric sometimes. I mean, these people are there to hang out again. Your team won. I mean, if they do it out of anger, it's not excusable. It's still vile. But I don't. Knicks fans clean it the hell up.

[Whit]

And the Knicks team, from what I've seen, they're. They're kind of a likable team.

[Ari]

Very likable, yeah.

[Whit]

But they're fans. Scumbags.

[Memes]

Crazy Memes has a great take. The Knicks of the Toronto Maple leafs is the NBA, and he believes they're going to blow this 3 to 1 lead.

[Murr]

Oh, yes.

[Whit]

Oh, it's like.

[Memes]

It's like they kind of are.

[Whit]

I don't even. I know in the NBA there's never been a 30 comeback. Has there even been a 3 1?

[Memes]

I think once, yeah.

[Ari]

Didn't. Didn't. Cleveland. Golden State. Yeah. The little LeBron block here.

[Murr]

Yeah.

[Whit]

Oh, really?

[Ari]

Yeah.

[Biz]

That's because what's his name got suspended.

[Whit]

If you had his first jersey on and they somehow blow this series, like. Like there could be like, a murder on our hands. Like, I'm not even joking either.

[Ari]

It's the only city I've gone to where like. Like friends who live in that city told me, whatever you do, don't wear any. Like, it was the Red Sox game seven versus the Yankees in 04. He's like, do not have any, like, Boston stuff on at all. I mean, I was going to the game by myself as well. I did have socks on, but you couldn't see the be on my ankle. But that's literally the only city I've been warned to not wear to to not wear gear in. So yeah, foolish Behavior. Classic recommendation. This week, in honor of Steven Spielberg, return to the screen with sci fi. Go watch minority report from 2002. Tom Cruise, Colin Farrell, awesome movie. It's basically set in the future about police who sort of predict crimes and you know, how the problems that can come from it. It's an awesome futuristic thriller. Can't recommend it up give that a look. See, I'm going to see what's it just distribution day, disturbance day. I'm going to tonight disclosure day and we got some good coming up here on Netflix. All right, Saturday song Sung Blue. So it's with Hugh Jackman and Kate Hudson. She was nominated for best supporting actress this year. It's based on a true story about a guy who had he was like a Neil diamond cover band guy and you know, he meets Kate Hudson and it's honestly, I walked out like, like I hadn't felt so much emotion in the theater for a while. It is based on a true story. Tremendous acting. If you like Neil diamond, you'll 1000% love this movie. Even if you don't. It's just got a great human element, human story at a time. So, so that's going to be hitting Netflix Saturday. Definitely. Give that a whirl. That Rafa documentary about Rafael Nadal I haven't watched yet. That's on my list for this weekend. It's a four episode docu series. Looks phenomenal about one of the greatest tennis plays of all time. And also if you haven't seen BlackBerry come out a couple of years ago, sorry. Now my pal Jay Baruchell and Glenn Howiton, you would think a movie about the invention of, you know, basically the first smartphone, the BlackBerry, would sound boring. It's awesome. Dynamite flick. They made it up in Canada. Won a bunch of awards up there. Bar Shell, you know, he plays kind of the goofy character. He locked in on this one. Played a great dramatic role. If you're looking for some things to

[Whit]

watch, give those the is the scene in the movie of that guy exploding on the board of governors and Gary Bettman, is that like did that happen?

[Ari]

I don't know if they took liberties with that or not.

[Whit]

It's a great movie.

[Ari]

Yeah. Oh, you saw. You saw. Yeah, it is good. Again, if the topic sounds boring but the movie is anything but. Give that a world. And also the World cup started well yesterday Thursday here, here in the States and Scotland. They're playing their local Games here in Foxborough. I saw a bunch of kilts after I left you guys Tuesday night everywhere.

[Murr]

And there were a million at the airport today.

[Ari]

They were getting tossed, they were getting tossed out of bas already before the thing even started. And another guy, one of the suburbs, he posted a clip. I guess they rented a house across the street. They're out 6:30 this morning playing the bagpipes in the kilts and stuff like so. And there's a great story too out in Lawrenceville, Kansas. Now you know this hasn't been a traditional World Cup. Not every team is playing, staying in the country. Some countries have to play the game and then go back to the country they're staying in. But in Lawrenceville, Kansas, team Algeria is there and Lawrenceville Kansas has embraced this team with open arms. They've sort of adopted them. There's a lot of great clips online, guys. Like I don't even know where this place is on a map but I'm going to be back on these people, they've been having all kinds of stuff with the community and I think it's great. It's, it's showing what, you know, what our country is about and how good a host we can be. And so shout out to Lawrenceville, Kansas and what they've been doing with team Algeria. It's been a great little story and yeah, I'm looking forward to watching a lot of footy in the next couple.

[Memes]

Canada plays today, 3pm I believe Norway

[Whit]

was at the Hurricanes. They were at game five. Holland team. Yeah, Holland was there.

[Biz]

Yeah, he was there. He had a cane jersey on.

[Memes]

I knew that.

[Whit]

And I bet, I bet you they were like this is sick. The crowd for that game, it was what a first game to go to for those guys. But I'm very excited. I, I love the World Cup. Yeah, I love it. And now every day for a month we have two games on. Yeah. So great.

[Ari]

Yeah. US Paraguay tonight. Now Scotland is playing Haiti. Down for.

[Whit]

I don't get why every US games on the west coast. It's kind of surprising to me that there's no east coast. They play in la, Seattle and San Francisco, so they don't ever come east.

[Ari]

You gotta think TV might have something to do with it. I don't usually, usually runs the show on that stuff, but either way I'll be tuning in. Should be good stuff. Anything else Biz when you are out of my fine city here. Taking off tomorrow.

[Biz]

I leave tomorrow. Boys, it's been a hell of a season. I know we got a couple Games left here and then the, you know, the draft and free agency. But oh my God, the hockey's been incredible. They're, they're making, the boys on the ice are making our job easy. And it was great to hang out with you boys. I loved, I love doing this podcast from the guys on the show from the, like Me, Yan's Wit and Ra and, and Myrrh and Arm Dog and G as well. Like, we got to thank all the people behind the scenes for, for making this thing run so fishy. All the boys. Luki AKA Nikki, had his first full year with us. He's been such a huge help. Posh obviously, who, who helps film the baggers and then, and then, yeah, Josh. So shout out to the boys. Yeah, right now. Because he hates when I give everybody the worst.

[Whit]

Dressed up in a full on white master's caddy bib. I don't even know if he touched the flagstick.

[Memes]

He's saying he was, he was officially the D cart girl. Like the drink cart girl.

[Biz]

No, he was hitting on the cat girl the whole round.

[Memes]

I actually went golfing with Memes one time and we played McCormick Ranch in Scottsdale.

[Biz]

Oh wow.

[Memes]

And he, he showed up in, in cowboy boots and the guy came up to me and was like, hey man. He had like a cowboy boots, cowboy hat on, wife beater. And they were like, hey, just gotta shoot you straight. You gotta buy gear for this guy if you want to bring him on. So we had to buy him new shoes, shirt, shorts.

[Whit]

The whole year he whips out like some Joe for shin pad.

[Ari]

They left them down the club the other day with Merle's passion.

[Biz]

Snake skins, cleats on.

[Whit]

Yeah.

[Ari]

Show the infamous club. But they, they love them. They were trying to get him to stay, but we had to drag them back to work.

[Biz]

So shout out to what a crew we got, boys. I love you. It's gonna be another great bagger. And we just had this one drop. We have the, the Bob does one probably coming out in the what, the next two, three weeks as well. Because we're gonna have to get those two off our chest as well, so. Love you boys. Great pod and my God canes have a chance to close out on Sunday up.

[Murr]

Will be in the building biz 20 years later.

[Whit]

Rod the bot is captain. Rod the bot is coach. What a story. Vegas no quit there though. Thank you everyone. We will see you Monday morning, 11am

[Murr]

Won't happen, won't happen again.

[Whit]

Won't happen, won't happen, won't happen again. A bad habit worth breaking. But it's taking time.

[Biz]

I don't know.

[Whit]

It don't matter. It's going to happen. It's going to happen again.

[Biz]

Wanna,

[Whit]

wanna, wanna wait?