Iran Retaliation & “Know Your Value” with Mika Brzezinski 3/18/26

Summary

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Squawk Pod Episode Summary

Date: March 18, 2026
Title: Iran Retaliation & “Know Your Value” with Mika Brzezinski

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Episode Overview

This Squawk Pod episode centers on escalating tensions in the Middle East following Iran's retaliatory strikes, the global economic ramifications—especially for oil markets and the Strait of Hormuz—and a deep dive into anti-Semitism in the U.S. with ADL CEO Jonathan Greenblatt. The episode concludes with a conversation on women's financial fluency, featuring Mika Brzezinski and HSBC’s Raquel Oden.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Iran’s Retaliation: Regional and Global Stakes

[01:18–08:43]

• Dan Murphy (Dubai Correspondent): Reports live on Iran's attacks in response to the killing of a top Iranian official (Ali Larajani) by U.S. and Israeli forces.

  • Iran fires drones/rockets at the UAE, over 100 targets in Israel, the American Embassy in Baghdad, and an Australian airbase in the Gulf.
  • Despite attacks, a rare bit of oil market relief: the KC Pipeline (Iraq to Mediterranean) resumes after years, with a modest impact on global supply.
  • Quote:

    "Despite the uptick that we're seeing in these attacks, we are seeing a rare bit of supply side relief for the oil markets today." — Dan Murphy [03:39]

  • The Strait of Hormuz remains blocked, trapping 20 million barrels—making new flows negligible in the big picture.

• Adnoc CEO (Dr. Sultan Al Jaber), to WSJ:

  • Iran’s control of Hormuz constitutes “global economic warfare,” demanding post-settlement solutions addressing Iran’s nuclear/missile capabilities and regional proxies.
  • Quote:

    "Iran's move to take Hormuz hostage constitutes what he called global economic warfare."
    — Dan Murphy [04:13]

• Strategic Pivot:

  • Gulf States (UAE, Saudi Arabia) now urge U.S. action to "render Iran incapable of future attacks," departing from past efforts to court Tehran.
  • Leadership changes in Iran and uncertainty about future cooperation with Gulf neighbors noted.
  • Quote:

    “The status quo with Iran and the Strait of Hormuz is now officially untenable.”
    — Dan Murphy [05:11]

2. Antisemitism in the U.S. and Geopolitical Context

[13:56–22:23]

• Guest: Jonathan Greenblatt (CEO, Anti-Defamation League)

• Current State:

  • Recent anti-Semitic attacks in the U.S. and high-profile incidents abroad discussed.
  • Heightened anxiety:

    “The idea that Jewish people are wondering can they sort of live their lives or will they be threatened here in America in 2026? It's a terrible thing.”
    — Jonathan Greenblatt [14:11]

• Linking Anti-Semitism and the War in Iran:

  • Public debate (including figures like Tucker Carlson) blames U.S. involvement in Iran on Israel or “Jews,” evoking age-old conspiracy tropes.
  • Quote:

    “Some might call it the oldest hatred. Some might call it the oldest conspiracy theory... one of those age-old tropes is that Jews aren’t loyal... and that they caused the world's wars.”
    — Jonathan Greenblatt [16:07]

  • Carlson described as a prominent “public bigot” who platforms anti-Semitic and Holocaust-denial rhetoric.

• On Criticizing Israel vs. Anti-Semitism:

  • Greenblatt distinguishes between legitimate war criticism and anti-Semitic scapegoating.
  • Joe Kent’s Resignation:
    • Kent, with “white supremacist” background, blames “Jews” for the war in resignation letter.
    • Quote:

      “To suddenly say ...they didn’t pose a threat. They weren’t a danger to us. It's just the Jews who made us do this. I mean, come on.”
      — Jonathan Greenblatt [18:38]

  • Calls for “open debate” but rejects manipulative, scapegoating narratives.

• ADL War Stance:

  • Greenblatt focuses on fighting hate, avoids direct policy but notes:

    “It will be good if that regime [Iran] is gone. Better for the people of Iran, better for the people of the region, better for the world.”
    — Jonathan Greenblatt [19:56]

• Trends:

  • Some metrics (campus encampments, violations) are improving, but rhetoric is moving into the mainstream from both far left and right.

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3. Nvidia’s Open Claw & AI Developments

[08:50–10:52]

• Jensen Huang (Nvidia CEO, via Mad Money):

  • Discusses launch and rapid global adoption of Open Claw, an open-source AI agent.

    “It was open sourced just recently... now the largest, most successful open source project in the history of humanity.”
    — Jensen Huang (via Andrew Ross Sorkin) [09:17]

• AI Talent Migrations:

  • OpenClaw’s lead developer “acqui-hired” by OpenAI, fueling speculation whether open AI agents will remain open or turn proprietary.

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4. Women & Wealth: The Financial Fluency “Glow Up”

[24:22–31:09]

• Guests: Mika Brzezinski (Know Your Value, Morning Joe) & Raquel Oden (HSBC)

• Key Findings:

  • By 2030, women are expected to control over 40% of global wealth, but only 29% of affluent women feel prepared to meet their financial goals (HSBC / IPSIS study).
  • Distinction:
    • Financial literacy: Knowing the basics.
    • Financial fluency: Ability to act, adapt, and strategize for life stages.
    • Quote:

      “We’re moving from literacy to fluency. And fluency to me feels so empowering...”
      — Raquel Oden [25:42]

    • Mika Brzezinski: Even women at financial peaks “may know the language of money, but... it’s another thing to be fluent on how to use it.” [24:58]

• Confidence & Gender:

  • The “confidence gap” persists; men may feign confidence while women express uncertainty in planning for themselves.
  • Quote:

    “I think there’s a confidence gap...we actually handle the money for our parents, for our children. We do all this work for other people. But we’re not fierce when it comes to actual planning for ourselves.”
    — Mika Brzezinski [27:40, 28:08]

• Life Stage Customization:

  • Women’s needs shift by decade—from caregiving to philanthropy—which needs to be reflected in advice/planning.
  • Becky Quick:

    “Those [children, caregiving] weigh pretty heavily. Not that they don’t on my husband...” [29:00]

  • Stat: 43% of women (vs. 33% of men) are concerned about other family members’ financial wellbeing.

• The “Financial Glow Up”:

  • Term coined for the next step—intentional, proactive, self-focused financial planning.
  • Quote:

    “This is your selfish moment. Allow yourself the financial glow up. Focus on your finances for yourself.” — Raquel Oden [30:48]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

"Iran's move to take Hormuz hostage constitutes what he called global economic warfare."
— Dan Murphy quoting Adnoc CEO [04:13]

“Some might call it [anti-Semitism] the oldest hatred. Some might call it the oldest conspiracy theory.”
— Jonathan Greenblatt [16:07]

"This is definitely the next ChatGPT as you can hear."
— Andrew Ross Sorkin on OpenClaw [09:23]

“We’re moving from literacy to fluency. And fluency to me feels so empowering...”
— Raquel Oden [25:42]

“Even at this stage… I need a glow up.”
— Mika Brzezinski [30:38]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Iran's Regime, Gulf Responses & Oil Markets: [01:18–08:43]
• AI / Nvidia Open Claw News: [08:50–10:52]
• Antisemitism with Jonathan Greenblatt: [13:56–22:23]
• Women, Wealth, and Financial Fluency ("Glow Up") with Mika Brzezinski and Raquel Oden: [24:22–31:09]

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Takeaways for Listeners

• The Middle East faces escalating instability with direct economic and energy implications, particularly regarding the Strait of Hormuz.
• Debates about anti-Semitism are increasingly intertwined with U.S. foreign policy discourse.
• AI innovation continues at a breakneck pace, with open-source models seeing massive adoption and corporate interest.
• Women’s financial empowerment is poised for dramatic growth, but bridging the fluency (not just literacy) gap is essential—regardless of age or affluence.

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This episode captures a world in flux—where global conflict, technological disruption, and cultural conversations around empowerment intersect.

Transcript

[Keith Lansford]

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[Dan Murphy]

Today on Squawk Pod, global economic warfare. You heard right. Global economic warfare.

[Katie Kramer]

Iran launches retaliatory strikes. The latest from the region are reporter Dan Murphy in Dubai.

[Dan Murphy]

Tehran clearly making good on its promise to strike back following the elimination of Ali Larajani, a top Iranian security official who was killed in US And Israeli airstrikes this week and in a turbulent

[Katie Kramer]

world, we'll take a look at antisemitism in the United States. CEO of the Anti Defamation League, Jonathan Greenblatt on the progress made and the

[Jonathan Greenblatt]

work still to do on college campuses. It's better. We've seen no encampments in the last year. We've seen less violative acts of antisemitism in the last year. And yet in other ways we know that it's worse. I mean, you talked about Tucker Carlson a minute ago.

[Katie Kramer]

Plus Know youw Value, women and wealth fluency, Ms. Now's Mika Brzezinski, even at

[Mika Brzezinski]

this stage need I've been working on these issues specifically and I need a glow up.

[Katie Kramer]

And HSBC's Raquel Oden news you can

[Raquel Oden]

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[Katie Kramer]

It is Wednesday, March 18, 2026. Squawk Pod begins right now.

[Andrew Ross Sorkin]

Stand Becky by in three, two, one, please.

[Becky Quick]

Good morning, everyone. Welcome to Squawk Box right here on cnbc. We are live from the NASDAQ Markets site in Times Square. I'm Becky Quick along with Andrew Ross Sorkin. Joe is out today.

[Andrew Ross Sorkin]

Meantime, Iran retaliating in the Middle East. This after killing one of its top security officials after Israel did that. Want to get over to CNBC's Dan Murphy in Dubai.

[Dan Murphy]

Good morning, Andrew, good morning to you. Well, another volatile morning here in Dubai. We were hearing the thud of interceptions over the downtown district earlier this morning as the UAE's missile defense systems continue to engage a wave of Iranian drones and rockets. Tehran clearly making good on its promise to strike back following the elimination of Ali Larajani, a top Iranian security official who was killed in US And Israeli airstrikes this week. But it's not just the uae. We're also seeing Iran's state media claim Iran has also hit more than 100 targets inside Israel, fired drones at the American Embassy in Baghdad and targeted an Australian airbase here in the Gulf too. And what's interesting is that despite the uptick that we're seeing in these attacks, we are seeing a rare bit of supply side relief for the oil markets today. And that's because Iraq has officially resumed crude flows through what's called the KC Pipeline. This is a 600 mile pipeline that can deliver Iraqi crude to the Med. It's the first time we've seen oil moving through this line in years. But we're talking about 250,000 barrels a day here. And in the context of the 20, 20 million barrels currently trapped behind the blockade in the Strait of Hormuz, it really is a drop in the ocean. So to add some context to what we're seeing in the oil markets right now, perhaps this is a psychological win for the market, but it certainly doesn't solve the block in the Strait of Hormuz. We've also heard from the Adnoc Group CEO, Dr. Sultan Al Jaber, one of the most respected voices in the global energy market weighing in on that today. He told the Wall Street Journal that Iran's move to take Hormuz hostage constitutes what he called global economic warfare. You heard right, global economic warfare. He also said any day after settlement must address Iran's nuclear program, ballistic missile capabilities and network of regional proxies. So for ADNOC and the uae, which has of course had to shut down operations and bear the brunt of Iran's attacks on civilian and energy infrastructure, the status quo with Iran and the Strait of Hormuz is now officially untenable. So the markets seem to be cooling on that news for now, particularly the news flow out of Iraq. But with economic warfare being the phrase of the day here in Dubai, the risk premium probably isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Andrew.

[Andrew Ross Sorkin]

So, Dan, though, the thing I want to ask about that quote And I think it comes from a story that has this headline, gulf states want the US to cripple Iran's regime before ending the war. And the sub headline there is in pivot for regions that had courted Tehran. Gulf leaders now insist that Iran must be rendered incapable of future attacks. How much of that is a pivot even in the last two or three days from what you'd be hearing around the ground?

[Dan Murphy]

Andrew, we were talking about this yesterday and you're exactly right. It is a significant pivot. The economic impact of this war on the Gulf states and in particular on the UAE will be significant. And as a result, leaders here see the status quo when it comes to Iran effectively having to change. As you heard that Dr. Sultan Al Jabba saying that Iran's control over the Strait of Hormuz will have to change into the future and their entire defensive posture will have to change as well. Of course, the UAE has proven resilient in the face of these Iranian missile and drone attacks. But of course it has also demonstrated an ability to defend itself and as a result will have to continue to do so in the future if the Iranian regime and its capabilities aren't dismantled. So part of what we're seeing right now is quite a significant tone shift for this region. As you say, the UAE and Saudi Arabia had attempted to work with the previous Iranian regime. And of course, with the whereabouts of the current Iranian leader still unknown and his well being also having a big question mark against it, the Gulf states don't really know what to expect when it comes to what could happen next. And of course, now questioning whether or not they can actually work with any leadership inside the Iranian regime moving forward as well.

[Becky Quick]

That's a huge miscalculation on the part of the Iranian. I don't know what leadership is there at this point, but that's a huge miscalculation. Thinking that they could force the Arab states into putting pressure on both the United States and Israel by attacking, attacking them. And then to see maybe this development as a result where they say we can't live with them as neighbors.

[Dan Murphy]

Exactly, Becky. And it's also interesting to see in terms of what could happen next here when it comes to the control of the Strait of Hormuz. We've also been talking about this through the course of the week. It seems as if the president's tone has also changed here. Remember, he was attempting to build a coalition to try and build national support, a naval support group to get those ships moving again through the Strait. It seems as if The President has turned more America first on this and said essentially that help is no longer required. Of course, who will ultimately end up securing the safe passage of those ships remains to be seen at this point. And whether or not the Gulf states will actually step in to contribute is unclear as well. We've also heard from top UAE officials suggesting that they could provide some assistance here, perhaps also signaling that this region may play a greater role when it comes to the safety and security and the responsibility of that strait moving forward. But of course, no firm commitments have been made yet. For now, the immediate focus is on attempting to find some kind of military or diplomatic off ramp to this conflict, which has now extended into its third week with no real end in sight.

[Andrew Ross Sorkin]

Okay, Dan, want to thank you for your, your smart analysis and everything that you're bringing us from the ground.

[Becky Quick]

Jensen Huang teasing a potentially transformative step in the evolution of AI. The Nvidia CEO talking up Open Claw. That's an open source AI agent that taps into large language models to perform daily tasks. Here's Wang on Mad Money last night.

[Andrew Ross Sorkin]

It was open sourced just recently, a few weeks ago. It is now the largest, most pop,

[Dan Murphy]

the most successful open source project in

[Andrew Ross Sorkin]

the history of humanity. Well, this is like chatgpt when you told me in November would be big

[Dan Murphy]

and then it turned out being January,

[Andrew Ross Sorkin]

the huge this could be the next thing. This is Definitely the next ChatGPT as you can hear.

[Becky Quick]

That was Jensen Huang speaking with Jim Cramer. Open Claw has seen growing adoption in China where many local tech companies are integrating the technology into their offerings. And we're watching a lot on what's been happening with this. You know, another big thing that he said yesterday that Jensen Wong said yesterday was that China has been looking for some increased shipments of that H200 chip and they are looking to restart production of some of those chips as a result. They'd been telling the street basically look at that as, as a zero, right? China down to zero. So if that starts up, that could show you a little bit too. Stocks up by about 1% but you can see over the last year up by close to 7 60%.

[Andrew Ross Sorkin]

So the big question to me about by the way, about Open Claw is, you know, the leader, the guy who created Open Claw has basically been acqui hired by Open Air. And so that whole him and whatever his team is acquired. Acqui hired. It's an, it's a good word. It's acquired. Right. And so the question is whether what OpenClaw is, which is an open source system, becomes a closed source. Whether OpenAI creates something that looks very much like it or Claude creates something that looks very much like it and but it lives in a closed universe in some way that we haven't figured out yet. And that'll be very interesting. Just in terms of what happens.

[Becky Quick]

That's a really good word. Aqua hired.

[Andrew Ross Sorkin]

Acqui hired. That's the. That's the phrase for what they've that's by the way, that's what you know. When you think about the acquisition that Metta had of scale AI that was an acquired buying the talent. Right. Tease will be next.

[Katie Kramer]

Next on Squawkpod, a conversation about antisemitism and geopolitics. CEO of the Anti Defamation League Jonathan Greenblatt responds to yesterday's resignation of Joe Kent, former director of the National Counterterrorism center and what it means.

[Andrew Ross Sorkin]

His letter in your mind, a protest of the war and what Israel as a country politically is doing.

[Jonathan Greenblatt]

Yeah.

[Andrew Ross Sorkin]

Or do you look at that and say, he's an anti Semite and he doesn't like Jews?

[Jonathan Greenblatt]

You can say, I oppose this war on some grounds, but to blame Jews or the Jewish state for the war.

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[Becky Quick]

You are watching Squawk Box right here on cnbc. I'm Becky Quick along with Andrew Ross Sorkin. Joe is out today.

[Andrew Ross Sorkin]

Our next guest here to weigh in on the global battle against rising anti Semitism. Joining us right now is Jonathan Greenblatt. He is Anti Defamation League CEO and national director. The ADL just wrapping up its annual Never Is now summit in New York City. An honored business leaders who stand up to hate, including New England Patriots Chairman and CEO Robert Kraft and Gap CEO Richard Dixon. Good morning to you, State of anti Semitism. And then we're going to get into everything that's going on in the Middle east because I think it's all connected in a certain way.

[Jonathan Greenblatt]

Yeah, look, it's a really complicated time. I mean, I think a lot of Jewish Americans probably like yourself, many of your audience are wondering if this is the new normal. 20 people were killed last year, Jewish people in anti Semitic attacks. And of course in Bondi beach in Washington, D.C. boulder, Colorado, Manchester, England, one of the most lethal years in recent memory. And just last week, a terrorist tried to add West Bloomfield to that mix. Right. There were over 100 preschool children in that building. And this individual drove an explosives packed car into the actual synagogue. I mean, I fielded calls in the last week from parents who are concerned, can I send my child to school, can I go to the JCC or will I be targeted? The idea that Jewish people are wondering can they sort of live their lives or will they be threatened here in America in 2026? It's a terrible thing.

[Andrew Ross Sorkin]

Help me understand this. We are now in the middle of a war.

[Jonathan Greenblatt]

Yeah.

[Andrew Ross Sorkin]

In the Middle east, in Iran specifically. But there is a lot of debate among politicians, among the public here in the US among some very influential voices, by the way, in the Republican Party, including people like Tucker Carlson and others who have suggested that we have been pulled, the US has been pulled into this war by Israel. And there is a view among some that that unto itself creates these other questions about anti Semitism and this sort of interconnection between those who have problems with Israel and those who have problem with Jews.

[Jonathan Greenblatt]

So this is a good opportunity to talk about anti Semitism. Right. Some might call it, they call it the oldest hatred. Some might call it the oldest conspiracy theory. It's been around for thousands of years and it's typically involved scapegoating and blaming a small group of people for things that are going wrong. This has been happening for ages and ages. And one of those age old tropes is that Jews aren't loyal to the country where they live. Remember, they lived as a minority in exile for thousands of years and that not only they're not loyal, they caused the world's wars. Right. Again, this is an age old trope that the Jews caused World War I, that the Jews caused World War II, and the Jews caused the Gulf War. And now we're seeing people like Tucker Carlson make this claim. Now, look, Tucker Carlson is probably the most proud prominent public bigot in our lives today. Like, look, he has platformed Holocaust deniers. He's platformed virulent anti Semites. He's engaged in this kind of rhetoric for a long time. So it shouldn't be surprised that he goes there. But I think, to be honest with you, there's a reasonable debate to have about this war. There's a reasonable debate to have, like how's it being prosecuted, do we understand what the objectives are, et cetera. But it's unreasonable to suggest that President Trump is being manipulated by a small group of people. I think one thing we know about

[Andrew Ross Sorkin]

President Trump, piece of it. Because there's. Right. And that's what I'm trying to get at. There's sort of how you thread the needle between having a open debate about what's happening in Iran, what Israel is doing, the relationship between the United States and Israel on that front, and how you think about Jews and how you think about anti Semitism and, and how they relate or not to each other. That, I think is the hardest part about this.

[Jonathan Greenblatt]

Yeah, look, these issues are complicated. They're not always as clear cut, let's say, as other forms of hate. But like take Joe Kemp, who resigned yesterday in a very public letter from his position as the head of the national center for Counterterrorism. ADL opposed his nomination a year ago because of his white supremacists and extremist ties. He'd engaged in anti Semitic rhetoric long before he was nominated. So when this person publishes a letter saying, I'm resigning because Israel pulled us into the war, Iran didn't pose a threat.

[Andrew Ross Sorkin]

And so my question to you is, do you look at that and see that. That is an anti. This is the question. Is his decision in his letter, in your mind, a protest of the war and what Israel as a country politically is doing?

[Jonathan Greenblatt]

Yeah.

[Andrew Ross Sorkin]

Or do you look at that and say he's an anti Semite and he doesn't like Jews? This is what I think is the fundamental question.

[Jonathan Greenblatt]

Right. Well, look, let's talk about it. So you can say I oppose this war on some grounds, but to blame Jews or the Jewish state for the war. He testified in his confirmation hearing a year ago that the Islamic Republic of Iran and their proxies were threatening American service members. Yesterday, he says there was no threat at all. What's the difference? So we know that the Islamic Republic of Iran has murdered more Americans perhaps, than any other sovereign government over the last 40 years. Killed American service members, diplomats, civilians, in Lebanon, in Iraq, in Saudi Arabia, all over the Middle East. So to suddenly say, whoa, whoa, whoa, they didn't pose a threat. They weren't a danger to us. It's just the Jews who made us do this. I mean, come on, President Trump, you can like him or dislike him, but he does exactly what he wants to do. And I appreciate that about him, even if I don't agree with everything that he does.

[Andrew Ross Sorkin]

What is the ADL position on this war in Iran right now?

[Jonathan Greenblatt]

Look, my focus every day is on fighting anti Semitism and hate. I will tell you. The Islamic Republic of Iran was the largest state sponsor of terror in the world, the largest exporter of anti Semitism, Holocaust denialism, all of it incredibly problematic on the War Powers act and how all that goes, really. That's not my issue,

[Andrew Ross Sorkin]

I'm sure, though.

[Jonathan Greenblatt]

But it will be good if that regime is gone. Better for the people of Iran, better for the people of the region, better for the world.

[Andrew Ross Sorkin]

Okay, so then you would be for it. It sounds like the reason I ask is there are. There's a split even among Jews around the world and in this country about whether we should continue this war, continue to prosecute the war, continue to continue to prosecute it until there is fundamental regime change. And others who say, we gotta get out. We gotta get out of this as quickly as humanly possible.

[Jonathan Greenblatt]

Look, I want an end to this conflict with the least lives lost as possible. At the same time, the Islamic Republic is a totalian totalitarian regime. They murdered 30 to 40,000 of their own citizens less than two months ago, like in the span of a week. The world will be safer if that regime is gone. The world is safer. That Khamenei is gone, the world is safer that Larjani is gone for sure.

[Andrew Ross Sorkin]

What do you make of just what's happening in the US in terms of where things stand as it relates to anti Semitism? Meaning do you believe that it is getting materially worse? Materially better? Look flat.

[Jonathan Greenblatt]

Well, here's what I know. What I know is on college campuses it's better. We've seen no encampments in the last year. We've seen less, you know, violative acts of anti Semitism in the last year. And yet in other ways we know that it's worse. I mean, you talked about Tucker Carlson a minute ago. There certainly is a strain of anti Zionism and anti Semitism in the politics of both the far left and the far right. And that's moving into the mainstream.

[Andrew Ross Sorkin]

I don't believe. I mean, he would. I don't want to speak for him, but I've heard him talk about it.

[Jonathan Greenblatt]

Dr. Carlson.

[Andrew Ross Sorkin]

He would say that his position is not about anti Semitism at all.

[Jonathan Greenblatt]

Just that is what antisemitism Semites always say. They say, I don't hate Jews. It's just I'm raising questions about the Jewish people. About Jewish people.

[Andrew Ross Sorkin]

Well, I think he argued raising questions about Israel and its influence over the United States. That's what he would say. I mean, look, again, I don't want to speak for the man. I'm just suggesting to you he platforms

[Jonathan Greenblatt]

Holocaust deniers on his show. He kind of calls out the integrity of Jewish people repeatedly on his show. The motives of Jewish organizations on his show. He's an anti Semite through and through, Andrew, and that's why we call him out.

[Becky Quick]

Have you ever spoken with him or been on his show either?

[Jonathan Greenblatt]

Have you ever been? I've never been on his show. I was invited on his show at Fox a few times but like, I'm not going to engage. Like my view at adl. My view as CEO of adl, I'll engage with anyone as long as you don't dehumanize other people. When he dehumanizes Zionists, that's a red line for me.

[Andrew Ross Sorkin]

Jonathan Greenblatt, thank you for coming in this morning.

[Jonathan Greenblatt]

Thank you.

[Andrew Ross Sorkin]

Nice to see you.

[Katie Kramer]

Coming up on Squawk Pod, a little segment collab with our sister network Ms. Now Morning Joe co anchor Mika Brzezinski. She's teaming up with HSBC to boost financial fluency among women.

[Andrew Ross Sorkin]

Maybe men are in the exact same position. They just pretend that they're not.

[Becky Quick]

That's interesting.

[Mika Brzezinski]

I think there's a confidence gap.

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[Katie Kramer]

youm're listening to SquawkPod from CNBC.

[Andrew Ross Sorkin]

Welcome back to Squawk Box. By 2030, women are expected to control more than 40% of global wealth, but only 29% of affluent women say they feel prepared to meet their financial goals. These stats coming from a new HSBC study conducted in partnership with IPSIS and Know youw Value, the report highlighting what's called a growing financial fluency gap. And joining us right now is Mika Brzezinski. Ms. Now, morning Joe co host and Know your Value founder and Raquel oden, who is HSBC's US head of international wealth and private banking. Before we even get into it, how did this partnership thing even start?

[Mika Brzezinski]

Oh my gosh. Well, on exactly these issues, because I've been fighting for decades now for equal pay for women, but it's one thing to work toward getting the money. We have gotten there to a certain extent, but still, there's so much more work to do. But for women who have arrived and what I Learned Creating the 50 over 50 list for the past five years, women have arrived. They're in their 60s, 70s, 80s, reaching their highest financial power, and yet they can speak the language of Money. But as Raquel found with our research, it's another thing to be fluent on how to use it and how those things apply to our lives.

[Andrew Ross Sorkin]

So what does that mean, though, in terms of making the. What has to change in terms of the fluency, the. Becky Quick is very fluent.

[Raquel Oden]

Yes, Becky is absolutely fluent. I think what we've said is historically, we've always talked about women in financial literacy for so long. So what we're referring to is literacy is about knowledge. That's how you build confidence. But fluency really says, what do I do with it? How do I do it? And it allows me to be very specific to my life stages. So we're moving from literacy to fluency. And fluency to me feels so empowering because when we talk about the transfer of wealth that's going to happen for women, we want to confidently make sure they are prepared right. They're going to control 45% of global wealth by 2030.

[Becky Quick]

I will admit I feel very literate. I'm not sure that I'm completely fluid because I don't know what to do at the next stage. And part of that is because I'm not talking to anybody about it. I've always managed all my own stuff. I don't know what to do to tell my mom to do as she faces retirement. I don't know what to do in terms of thinking about kids longer term, how we deal with some.

[Raquel Oden]

Well, you are the.

[Becky Quick]

And I don't really trust.

[Raquel Oden]

Perfect. That's it. That is it. That's exactly what it is. And really what we're saying to our advisors and when we provide guidance for women, allow us to understand how your specific guidance needs to be for us. We're concerned about our children. We're concerned about caregiving. We are concerned about longevity. We are concerned about check, check, check, check.

[Becky Quick]

Those are all the issues.

[Raquel Oden]

And we change by the decades quite a bit. So what we want in our 20s looks very different in our 30s versus our 40s and our 50s. So what this really comes down to is the ability to have customized advice specific to our life stages, allowing us to feel comfortable that we can plan for all of our needs, which does not just include us and philanthropy. Another huge component for women and scores quite high versus men.

[Mika Brzezinski]

Yeah.

[Andrew Ross Sorkin]

Can I ask one question about the men in all this?

[Raquel Oden]

Sure.

[Andrew Ross Sorkin]

It seems to me as I'm looking at this, that maybe men may more answer some of these questions more confidently. But as I was looking at this, I was thinking to myself, maybe men are in the exact Same position. They just pretend that they're not.

[Becky Quick]

That's interesting.

[Mika Brzezinski]

I think there's a confidence gap and also.

[Andrew Ross Sorkin]

Confidence gap.

[Mika Brzezinski]

Our lives are completely different than men in terms of how we need to manage our money and plan for our future. And once again, this research shows what I've been confirming throughout the 20 years of working with women in the Know youw Value community. And that is that we actually handle the money for our parents, for our children. We do all this work for other people.

[Andrew Ross Sorkin]

My wife is the boss in our house of all the money.

[Mika Brzezinski]

But we're not fierce when it comes to actual planning for ourselves, and we don't feel fluent on that level. Is that. Is that fair to say?

[Raquel Oden]

Right. So that's why you take a look at the report. So we go from financial literacy to financial fluency. And what we're ultimately calling. Calling this is the financial glow up.

[Mika Brzezinski]

Right.

[Raquel Oden]

Because I think at the end of this, we want to make sure that women understand while we are going to control a lot of the global wealth going forward, we should have the confidence, but importantly, be able to share very specifically what we do with incredible opportunity. So if we give differently than men, then we need to address that in. In the plan that they provide us. There's really no difference between men and women in the standpoint of one is right or wrong. It's about being specific to the needs of women that we really want people to focus on.

[Becky Quick]

And maybe not just by the needs, but by the desires. Right. Like my big things are. Yes. Making sure the kids are going to be okay. Making sure my parents are going to be okay.

[Raquel Oden]

Caregiving children.

[Becky Quick]

Those weigh pretty heavily. Not that they don't owe my husband.

[Raquel Oden]

So in the data point, one of the things you'll actually see, it really talks about in the research that 33% of men are concerned about other family members. For women, it's at 43%. So, yes, men and women both care about family, but it's even more important to women. When we looked at the data that came back from the research.

[Mika Brzezinski]

Absolutely.

[Andrew Ross Sorkin]

So what has to happen next? How can people get all of this?

[Mika Brzezinski]

You got to get a glow up.

[Raquel Oden]

You got to get a glow up.

[Mika Brzezinski]

Well, actually, Becky, what does it mean

[Becky Quick]

to get a glow up? Yeah, what's that gonna.

[Raquel Oden]

So what that means is fluency allows you to get you to the point

[Becky Quick]

of the glow up.

[Raquel Oden]

And the glow up really means if I glow up on my finances. Finances. It's just like I want to glow up in the standpoint of having control, understanding what I need to do with my wealth. Importantly, the advice is specific to not only myself, but my ability to plan for other family members and make sure that I'm giving back in my community, which is also a very high statistical aspect.

[Andrew Ross Sorkin]

How much of that is about talking, though, to people like you? How much of that is about just getting educated online in a new age of AI?

[Mika Brzezinski]

How much it is talking about money for your and going to organizations like hsbc, but, you know, not depending on someone to just completely take it over for you, which I think a lot of women are like, ah, I don't feel. I feel untoward to talk about money for myself. Actually, you need to get really comfortable talking about money for yourself. The fight for equal pay. It's vacant unless you care about making money for yourself, taking care of yourself. And then you can take care of. And I actually did the glow. I started looking at our research and I filled out the entire page of notes of questions that I have about exactly what I should be doing. I realized, like, we all kind of need, even at this stage, need. I've been working on these issues specifically, and I need a glow up.

[Raquel Oden]

So this is your selfish moment. Allow yourself the financial glow up. Focus on your finances for yourself. But importantly, do not compromise on the things that are priorities for women.

[Andrew Ross Sorkin]

Okay, Raquel and Mika, thank you. It's nice to see you.

[Mika Brzezinski]

Thank you guys

[Andrew Ross Sorkin]

for a change. I like this.

[Mika Brzezinski]

Yeah, I like it, too.

[Andrew Ross Sorkin]

Right across the street. Very nice.

[Mika Brzezinski]

Going to run back now.

[Andrew Ross Sorkin]

Good luck.

[Raquel Oden]

Yeah.

[Becky Quick]

Hurry.

[Andrew Ross Sorkin]

Thanks. Hurry.

[Becky Quick]

Commercial break time.

[Andrew Ross Sorkin]

Exactly.

[Katie Kramer]

And that is Squawk pod for today. This Wednesday. Thanks for listening. Squawk Box is hosted by Joe Kernan, Becky Quick, and Andrew Ross Sorkin. Tune in weekday mornings on CNBC at 6 Eastern to get the smartest takes and analysis from our TV show right into your ears. Please follow Squawkpod wherever you get your podcasts and tell a friend to follow, too. We'll meet you right back here tomorrow.

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