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Welcome back to squawk pod from CNBC. The following conversation was recorded live on SquawkBox on April 2nd. Here's Joe Kernan on set with Becky Quick.

Joe Kernan (4:18)

Today is Autism Awareness Day, World Autism Awareness Day. Our next guest is the co founder of the Autism Impact Fund. The fund is designed to invest in solutions related to autism, both behavioral and mental health conditions. Joining us now, Christopher Male of the Autism Impact Fund. Welcome. It's good to see you.

Christopher Male (4:39)

Great to see you. Thanks for having us back.

Joe Kernan (4:41)

On the latest news on more funding for what is it a second fund or tell us about it.

Christopher Male (4:47)

Yes, it is. And before I get into that, I just want to thank you for having us back. It's our fourth year now and I know you and amongst others at cnbc, every day is World Autism Day. So I really appreciate you all shining a spotlight on the work we're doing and what we're doing. It's made a difference over the years, so appreciate that. And with the families, we see increasing rates, continue to see massive challenges here. So we're excited to be here, announced the second fund as well and continue. Five years ago when we first joined you, there was a dearth of capital. There was no investment capital other than traditional behavioral health. And we've now seen that Shift and we set out at AIF to be the investment and innovation arm for the community. Behavioral health, mental health. And now we're seeing a lot of capital flow into the space. So we finished fund one with 17 portfolio companies, two successful exits and are announcing today the first close of our second fund.

Joe Kernan (5:45)

Will it be different in terms of focus?

Christopher Male (5:49)

One of the things that we really learned is individuals with autism, 95% or more have another diagnosis. So as we look at investing, it's not just autism, it's behavioral health, mental health, complex chronic conditions, the most common of which impact one in four individuals and represent a trillion dollar market. So we'll be deploying innovation capital throughout services tech and related.

Joe Kernan (6:15)

I could design 10 funds, I think depending on which aspect of the issue you want to look for. But in terms of, I don't know, therapeutics, there are some things on the horizon. There's something that it works both with the social issues as well as repetitive motion things that you see. Even though it's a wide spectrum, those things seem conserved all the way from non verbal all the way up to very high functioning individual.

Christopher Male (6:44)

You're correct. One thing we know is there's no one type of autism. There's many types of biological forms of it. It is a very wide spectrum. We are seeing therapeutics that are coming out helping with core symptoms. Another example in the biology side is a company of ours called Mara Bio. They created and commercialized the first biological blood test for a subtype of autism that impacts nearly 20% of those diagnosed with autism.

Joe Kernan (7:12)

Genetically linked or is it gut related or how do you test for it?

Christopher Male (7:16)

The spectrum is so wide that you test through the blood and look for antibodies in the mother.

Becky Quick (7:21)

You look for antibodies?

Christopher Male (7:23)

Yeah, for the markers there. And then another one called Jamo Pharmaceuticals we're involved with as well, helps the core symptoms. Like you're talking about irritability, behavioral issues. So we're seeing real advances there, especially with what's happening in tech and AI being able to move forward.

Joe Kernan (7:39)

I mean some individuals on the spectrum are, you know, there's challenges, but then what they're good at, they could be better at certain tasks or jobs than, than mainstream people. And you gotta somehow figure out a way of matching those people with the skills that they have so they can lead great productive lives and earn a living and everything else.

Christopher Male (8:04)

Correct.

Joe Kernan (8:04)

I mean that's what I mean. There's 10 different areas that you could focus on in terms of.

Christopher Male (8:10)

There are. And we see that in employment as you're talking about. We view for most, it's a talent opportunity, not a charity opportunity. And we're seeing a shift especially in in tech and AI companies where they're changing their model. They're looking for different types of employees and hiring a lot of the neurodiverse community because of that superpower. So it's an exciting time.

Becky Quick (8:30)

How do you figure out, as you mentioned, it's a really broad spectrum. You have very talented individuals on one side, you have profound autism on another. How do you decide what to go after?

Christopher Male (8:41)

We look at the entire spectrum. So as we look at investing, the core is finding innovation that is delivering better service delivery models, care, precision, understanding. So using technology to subtype the groups because it is so broad. So as we're able to subtype, then we're able to have more of an understanding and really help those individuals.

Becky Quick (9:02)

Do you ever think about trying to go after probably the biggest problem that every parent with a child with autism thinks about, which is what happens to my child after I'm gone? Not just from an independence perspective, but if you're not independent, how do you care for them?

Christopher Male (9:19)

We do. And that's where we look across the entire spectrum and it's all about looking at innovation that is improving outcomes to help the families using technology for precision understanding and better models that are able to provide long time care. And with Mara and some of these other companies, the earlier we're able to detect it or earlier we're able to diagnose that changes the trajectory of their lives.

Becky Quick (9:46)

Services like ABA Services or something.

Christopher Male (9:48)

ABA is one that's been around for a while. Another good example of a company we're involved with is Imagine Pediatrics. And this is where you're seeing real capital come in alongside Oak, Optum Ventures and Rubicon. Those are our investment partners and what they're doing is value based care 24,7 virtual first in home care that is delivering better outcomes. So that's where we're seeing the shift. It's not just a volume of pushing ABA and service hours. It's truly figuring out where to drive the value, how to improve outcomes and make the lives better for these individuals.

Joe Kernan (10:23)

If you do the math, I don't know New Jersey's, what is it for male children, one out of 40 or something?

Christopher Male (10:30)

One out of 31.

Joe Kernan (10:31)

One out of 31. So do the math. You get to millions very easily. Couldn't there be a REIT or something that has facilities where these people eventually live in communities? Is that happening?

Christopher Male (10:48)

It is. I'm part of a nonprofit foundation called Jonathan's landing which ties together work, employment and living, all of that. So there are opportunities for that. We're seeing them. Not everything falls under the mandate of aif and that would be one that's outside of what we do.

Joe Kernan (11:04)

It'd be outside of it.

Christopher Male (11:06)

It's outside of what we do. But we're able to partner with them and bring additional capital into to drive those types of opportunities.

Joe Kernan (11:14)

Because I could see that, that I don't know how many. You need a lot of facilities if you just do the math. And it wouldn't necessarily be that would we would use the term differently abled. Sometimes I go what does that even mean? Disabled. But it is a true, it's true. Differently abled because it's, you know, it's possible to have great productive independent lives and we, you can't just turn, you know, just like look somewhere else and hope it's going to fix itself. It's not.

Christopher Male (11:42)

Yes, it's a significant problem. I think one of the biggest takeaways for your viewers and for the community is that while you know, public private partnerships are key, the calvary of the government isn't going to come solve this and we've proven this through Fund one. But the opportunity is for the private sector to really lead innovation, investment and driving opportunities and scale figure out scalability

Becky Quick (12:05)

scale because it's issue. It is trying to figure this out more than just a local level.

Christopher Male (12:10)

Correct. And that's where private market can come in and really help the opportunity is growing. You know, again five years ago we saw very little capital with Fund one. We proved out the thesis you're able to drive market returns while really driving impact at scale to impact the community.

Joe Kernan (12:28)

Okay, Chris, thank you.

Christopher Male (12:30)

Thank you.

Joe Kernan (12:31)

See you same time next year. Thank you again with more hopefully positive stuff. Thanks. Appreciate it.

Katie Kramer (12:39)

That does it for Squawk Pod for today. Thanks for listening. Squawk Box is hosted by Joe Kernan, Becky Quick and Andrew Ross Sorkin. Tune in weekday mornings on CNBC at 6 Eastern to get the smartest take takes and analysis from our TV show right into your ears. Follow Squawkpod wherever you get your podcasts. Have a great day.

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