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Welcome to the Standard of Truth podcast. In this podcast, Dr. Garrett Dirkmaat and Dr. Richard Leduc explore the early history of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and the life and teachings of the prophet Joseph Smith. They examine the original historical sources and provide context for events of the past. They approach the history of the church with faith, expertise and humor.
Dr. Garrett Dirkmaat
Foreign. Hi. Welcome to another episode of Search these Commandments, a Standard of Truth podcast production. I'm your host, Dr. Garrett Dirkmont, and I'm joined by my friend, Dr. Richard Leduc.
Dr. Richard Leduc
Hello, Garrett. In last week's episode, we kept everyone on a cliffhanger relating to Doctrine Covenants, Section three.
Dr. Garrett Dirkmaat
I don't know that the words cliffhanger about Doctrine and covenants, Section 3 have ever been said out loud before, but they were just said by Richard.
Dr. Richard Leduc
Well, you said something's about to happen on a stage, coach. We don't know what's about to happen.
Dr. Garrett Dirkmaat
Great. If what I was about to tell you was, like, someone tried to rob the stage coach, and, yeah, that'd be.
Dr. Richard Leduc
Awesome, I assume that you did. We don't know what's going to happen with the. With the pages that Martin Harris wistfully took skipping his way back.
Dr. Garrett Dirkmaat
None of us have any idea what will happen with the pages at the.
Dr. Richard Leduc
End of this episode.
Dr. Garrett Dirkmaat
We will. Ah. Which is the reason why you're tuning in. Before we get started, I'd like to give a shout out to Ryan in at Salem Hills High School. One of the coaches there who is a listener to the podcast got to meet him the other day at my younger son Titus's bantam game. I'm pretty sure he came over because he wanted me to stop yelling and then pretended that he listened to the podcast. Actually, I hadn't yelled a single thing, so I. I did feel better because, like, I hadn't said. I hadn't said anything other than good job, Titus, you know, and. And maybe I said that too loud.
Dr. Richard Leduc
Yeah, right.
Dr. Garrett Dirkmaat
Yeah. I mean, probably so. So Ryan came over. You know, it was like, hey, leave the facility. And then we got to talk. And, you know, he's a. A fan of the podcast. So. Ryan, thanks. Thanks for listening. And, you know, hopefully, hopefully my. My older son will best your team when they play each other in our district. Play our region play. Anyway, so, yes, we were. We were talking about. Again, if you haven't listened to part one, stop what you're doing right now and go listen to part one, because otherwise, everything I'm about to say will make no sense to you at all, actually, even if you've listened to part one, everything I'm about to say will likely make no sense to you at all. I. I like how I condition whether or not what I say makes sense. On it's your fault. That's. That's pretty bad, isn't it? Like, look, what I'm about to say is like so incredible that if you don't understand, it's obviously because you can't deal with it.
Dr. Richard Leduc
I will say in, in my, in my class that I teach at the, at the University of Utah, I say that all of the time. Where. If you think that your sales pitch is so good and they just don't understand your brilliance and the brilliance of your product or service, someone is an idiot in that equation.
Dr. Garrett Dirkmaat
But it's not your customer, but it's.
Dr. Richard Leduc
Not your potential customer.
Dr. Garrett Dirkmaat
Boy, that kind of hits close to home. So for those of you saying, you know what, I feel like Dr. Dirkmod says things in a way that aren't very easy to follow. And I feel like he's really confusing and I don't like the sound of his voice and pretty sure I don't like his hair color and I don't like a lot of things about him. It's really just about me, isn't it?
Dr. Richard Leduc
Yeah, it is.
Dr. Garrett Dirkmaat
It's not them.
Dr. Richard Leduc
No, it isn't.
Dr. Garrett Dirkmaat
Yeah. So it's the opposite. It's. It's not. It's not you, it's me. Always. Always.
Dr. Richard Leduc
It almost always is.
Dr. Garrett Dirkmaat
Well, so we last left you. Joseph is taking a stagecoach up to find out what happened to the pages. And, and while he's on his way up there, we last talked about just how hard this was. He already knew that he was under divine displeasure because he had pestered the Lord about allowing Martin Harris to take the pages. And now he's worried about the fact that he's no longer in the good graces of God. In part because the, the plates have been taken away from him by the angel. Most of the time when the angel has appeared to him, it's been a good thing here. The angel has appeared to him to tell him not, hey, your sins are forgiven you, but hey, give me the plates because you're not doing what you're supposed to do. I can't imagine where he's at. And then of course, on top of that, the devastating experience of losing his firstborn son. And, and then Emma, you know, he's, he's got in the back of his mind this, this anxiety. Is Emma going to be okay? How am I even going to know if Emma's going to be okay? So as he rides this stage, he's about to get off the stage. He's got this one fellow traveler on there. Who, as we talked about, doesn't want to talk. As he gets off, he says, you know, I don't know absentmindedly. I still have another 20 miles to travel by foot. Because he's getting off, you know, the closest stage route to where. I mean, Palmyra isn't exactly, you know, Buffalo. So the stage isn't going right to Palm. Sure. Yeah. So he says, I've got another 20 miles to go on foot. And the stranger, this person has been riding with him in the stage. Objected saying. I have watched you since you first entered the stage. And I know that you have not slept nor eaten since you commenced your journey. And you shall not go on foot 20 miles alone this night. For if you must go, I will be your company. Now tell me what it can be. The trouble which makes you so desperate. And weighs you down your spirits to such an extent. That you refuse every proffered comfort and convenience. Joseph told the gentleman that he'd left his wife in so low a state of health. That he had reason to fear that he would not find her alive when he returned. And also that he'd buried his first and only child. A few days previous to leaving home. This explanation was given in truth and sincerity. Although there was heavy trouble laying at his heart. That he did not dare mention. I feel, said the kind stranger, to sympathize with you. And I will go with you. For I fear that your constitution, which is evidently not strong. Will not support you. And you will be in danger of falling asleep in the forest. And some accident befall you. Joseph thanked him, and they proceeded together. When they arrived at our house, it was nearly daylight, four miles of distance. The stranger was under the necessity of leading Joseph by the army. For nature was too much exhausted to support him any longer. And he would fall asleep as he stood on his feet. As often as once in a few minutes. When they came in, the stranger said. I have brought your son through the forest. Because he insisted on coming. But he is sick and wants rest and refreshment. He ought to have some pepper immediately to warm his stomach again. Notice this folklorish idea. That the reason why he's sick is his body has become too cold. So what do you do? Cayenne pepper.
Dr. Richard Leduc
Yeah, that'll do it.
Dr. Garrett Dirkmaat
Yeah. I mean, some. If, if. If they only had Takis back then in a Package form.
Dr. Richard Leduc
Yeah, that'd be good. That would be good. I think that. So no one in India ever got sick then?
Dr. Garrett Dirkmaat
Well, you can also get sick if you're too hot.
Dr. Richard Leduc
Ice. Oh, okay. So the subcontinent does warm up.
Dr. Garrett Dirkmaat
There's a problem there. Right. So they would have, they would have had a problem being too hot.
Dr. Richard Leduc
I see. So maybe parts of California and Hawaii. Perfect.
Dr. Garrett Dirkmaat
Well look, everyone living in California is saying, yeah, I already know it's perfect to live in California. It's funny, you don't ever get emails from people from California saying like, no, it isn't great to live here. They're always like, stay out, we know what we have. Stop telling people how great San Diego is. But so they, they, they go get the. Tells him to go get some peppers to, to warm his stomach. And after you've prepared that, I will thank you for a little breakfast as I am in haste to begin my journey again. When the first direction was complied with, Joseph requested us to send with all possible speed for Martin Harris. We did so, and the stranger left, whose name we never knew. This is a fascinating story actually. Joseph, if you recall, hasn't been sleeping at all before he got on the stage. At least. Lucy says that Joseph barely sleeping an hour at a time over the night because he's so anxious with grief and with fear that Emma might pass away. So he's essentially sitting up next to her bed for two weeks at a time. So he is already completely physically mentally exhausted. And then he rides a 24 hour stage straight through refusing to sleep on it. And there just so happens to be a man on that stage who is willing to take him 20 miles walking out of his way, walking through the night to get Joseph to his house by the time the dawn comes.
Dr. Richard Leduc
And that man's name was Dirk Moss.
Dr. Garrett Dirkmaat
No, it wasn't. We don't know who it was. It wouldn't surprise me if it happened to be one of the three Nephites that was.
Dr. Richard Leduc
I mean it's entirely possible. And also, I mean, if it wasn't. What a. What a guy.
Dr. Garrett Dirkmaat
Yeah, I don't know what the reward for that guy in heaven is, but if you. Without number, if you even give so much as a cup of cold water to my servants, I mean, whosoever compelled you to go with a mile, go with him. Twain. This guy walked 20 miles through the night in the wrong direction because Joseph was so exhausted he could hardly walk. And even as they were standing there talking, would fall asleep on his feet because he was so exhausted. It's a pretty powerful story, but it also shows you just how. Just how much stress Joseph is under. He has all kinds of family problems with these personal problems, his problems with the fact that his son has just passed away. He knows he's under some divine displeasure because the plates have been taken away. And for some reason, Martin Harris has not brought the pages back. Well, as Lucy continues, she said, we prepared breakfast and as soon as we could, conveniently for Martin Harris always came in such haste when we sent for him that we supposed that he would be there ready to take breakfast with us before we could even be ready to eat. So apparently when Martin Harris gets a dinner appointment, I mean, he's. He responds. He's apparently like my teenage kids who don't have any ability to hear me yelling for them unless I'm yelling. I have Panda Express. For some reason, if you say the words I have Panda Express, the earways are opened in a miracle and they suddenly come running. You know, I could say, hey, guys, come on. Nothing. Hey, everyone, come on. Nothing. Guys, I got Panda Express. And it's like the reverse of what happens when you turn lights on for a cockroach. I mean, just the scurrying and the running. So kids, you know, they can hear. They just. They hear when they want to, basically. Right? So apparently, Martin Harris normally, whenever they said, hey, Joseph's here, come to breakfast. Martin was Johnny on the spot. And it was now near 6:00 and he lived three miles distant. At 8:00, we set the food on the table as we were looking for him. Every moment. We waited until nine and he had not come. Okay, so they're ready to eat at six. They put the food out at eight. Nine o'clock comes. Now. You got to figure if you're another Smith in the household, you're like, all right, Martin Harris, I'm mad at you first because where are the pages? And second of all, my gruel is now cold.
Dr. Richard Leduc
Samuel Smith's not even mad about the pages.
Dr. Garrett Dirkmaat
Yeah. Yo, you got to know. William is like, look, Martin, you could lose the pages, but I can't lose fresh hotcakes. I can't lose that. There's no microwave, Martin. There won't be a microwave for another 100 years. I mean, we'll get the.
Dr. Richard Leduc
We'll get the correct research staff on it. We'll find out exactly when the microwave.
Dr. Garrett Dirkmaat
Well, microwave is discovered and used long before the commercial.
Dr. Richard Leduc
We'll look for commercial use.
Dr. Garrett Dirkmaat
Commercial and, you know, one that people could afford, not the, like $10,000, commercial, microwave. Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's. We'll get our crack research staff on that because that has a lot to do with the gospel. So then it gets until, till 9:00, still not there. And then 10:00, he is still not there. 11:00, he's not there. He did not make his appearance until half past 12. They've been waiting for almost six hours for him to come. I cannot imagine the tension, the anger, frankly, the hunger that's in the room as they are all sitting there waiting for him. Because you got to think, with every passing minute, Joseph's anxiety gets worse. Martin never doesn't come immediately. And now he's six hours late for the breakfast appointment that they had. At half past twelve we saw him walking with a slow and measured tread toward the house. His eyes were fixed thoughtfully upon the ground. When he came to the gate, he did not open it, but he got on the fence and sat for some time with his hat drawn over his eyes. Okay, at this point they're looking out the window. If you've ever gone to Palmyra, they have the actual frame home, not a recreation, the actual home that the Smiths lived in during this time. Can you imagine looking out that window? You've been waiting for six hours, six and a half hours. And you see Martin Harris finally slowly come walking up the lane. He gets to the gate and sits down. It's crazy that no one goes out. And like, I mean, at this point you'd expect Joseph to walk out, punch him right in the mouth and then just walk back in and eat his cold mush, whatever it was.
Dr. Richard Leduc
By the way, 1975 was when it was really more common in the American home. So nineteen nineteen sixties and seventies is really when it was commercialized. But not to really till 1975.
Dr. Garrett Dirkmaat
The only rich people had them then and they were the size of like this studio. Which isn't a studio, it's a bedroom. Right.
Dr. Richard Leduc
So roughly 147 years after this, this, this event in July.
Dr. Garrett Dirkmaat
I feel like it would have taken a lot of the edge off if everyone knew there was a microwave.
Dr. Richard Leduc
Yeah, it's like, all right, all right, I'm gonna, I'm gonna nuke it. But six and a half hours, we can all agree it's ridiculous.
Dr. Garrett Dirkmaat
Yeah, I mean, some of us have friends who are a little bit loose on time. I have a good friend, Andrew, who will tell you that he's 10 minutes away when he hasn't even left where he is for that's an hour and a half away from you.
Dr. Richard Leduc
Right. He hasn't headed to the airport to fly back from New York.
Dr. Garrett Dirkmaat
Yeah. He's. He's in Texas and says I'm 10 minutes away. But what he means is from thinking about getting in a car to drive to the airport to eventually catch the flight to eventually come home, I would.
Dr. Richard Leduc
I will tell you. So I am super type A about this, as it should be no surprise to anyone. If you're not 15 minutes early, you are late.
Dr. Garrett Dirkmaat
Yeah.
Dr. Richard Leduc
And my kids know all too well I am the meme of the father that goes to the airport at 3 in the morning for a 4pm flight.
Dr. Garrett Dirkmaat
Yeah. Well, so I am as well. Richard and I share this. To me, the most ridiculous thing in the world is running through an airport.
Dr. Richard Leduc
Like Home Alone style.
Dr. Garrett Dirkmaat
Yeah. Not because your flight was canceled or there were thunderstorms, but because you wanted to watch that last episode of Lego Master Builders before we got in the car and headed to the airport. It's fine to be two hours early and just sit there on your phone because guess what those kids are going to be doing anyway at home, sitting there on their phone. So there's literally no difference. Why don't we just drive there and sit there on our phone since that's what the plan is going to be for the rest of the evening anyway. So imagine the tension in this home. Joseph is looking out the window. They can see Martin Harris sitting there. And instead of coming in, he's got his hat pulled down over his eyes. At last, he entered the house. After we sat down and were ready to commence eating, Martin with the rest of us, took. Took up his knife and fork as if he was going to use them, but dropped them from his hands. Hiram. So apparently no one has said anything yet.
Dr. Richard Leduc
He's just getting to the biscuits.
Dr. Garrett Dirkmaat
Yeah. Look.
Dr. Richard Leduc
Hey, Martin, come on in.
Dr. Garrett Dirkmaat
Have a seat, Martin. I imagine that he tied a napkin around his.
Dr. Richard Leduc
Yeah, he's got some sort of like. Yeah, like a crab bib that he's got with. With little pouches at the bottom to catch falling.
Dr. Garrett Dirkmaat
Ties the bib on. But Hiram appears to be the first person to actually break this. The tension must be straight through.
Dr. Richard Leduc
I mean, that you could cut it with a knife that had been.
Dr. Garrett Dirkmaat
Obviously, you know, that Joseph is still hoping. And I think that's the reason why no one's saying anything, is what if there isn't anything wrong with the pages? Right. Joseph doesn't want to go full Pehorin on this, you know, with. With Captain Moroni. Yeah, with Captain Moroni riding to pay? Or like, is this why you sit upon your throat and your thoughtless stupor while we're out here dying and you're just living it up? You know, I mean, Joseph has to be thinking that a little bit, right? Like maybe there's some other problem. Maybe he's. His wife told him she's going to divorce him. You know, it doesn't have to be that the pages are gone. Maybe he showed them to people he wasn't supposed to and that's why he's so embarrassed and upset.
Dr. Richard Leduc
Yeah, maybe he did.
Dr. Garrett Dirkmaat
Well, he did, but spoiler alert, yes, he did. But the first person to say words to him, because, look, first of all, Lucy Smith must be a saint, because she should have already had words with him like, hey, Martin, it took me two hours to make this breakfast, and you're six and a half hours late for it. Right, right. She could have said that, but she's being very kind. Hiram is the first person to say something to him, and he says, martin, why do you not eat? Are you sick? Because he picked up his knife and fork, you know, tied the lobster bib on and then just dropped him next to him. Martin pressed his hands upon his temples and he cried out in a tone of anguish, oh, I have lost my soul. I have lost my soul. Joseph, who had smothered his fears until now, sprang up from the table exclaiming, o Martin, have you lost the manuscript? Have you broken your oath and brought down condemnation upon my head as well as your own? Yes, replied Martin. It is gone. I know not where. Oh, my God, my God, said Joseph, clenching his hands together. All is lost. What shall I do? I've sinned. It is me that tempted the wrath of God by asking him that which I had no right to ask, as I was instructed by the angel. And he wept and groaned, walking the floor continually. And at last he told Martin to go back to his house and search again. No, said Mr. Harris, it is all in vain. I have looked in every place in the house. I've ripped open the beds and pillows. I know it is not there. Then must I, said Joseph, return to my wife with such a tale as this? I dare not to do it, lest it should kill her at once. And how shall I appear before the Lord? Of what rebuke am I not worthy? From the angel of the Most High? I besought him not to mourn, so that it might be that the Lord would forgive him after a short season of humiliation, repentance on his part. This is. This Is Lucy Smith, sorry, speaking to him. But what could I say to comfort him when he saw the family all in the same state of mind that he was in Sobs and groans and the most bitter lamentations filled the house. Joseph in particular was more distressed than the rest, for he knew definitely and by sorrowful experience the consequence of what would seem to others to be a very trifling neglect of duty. He continued tracing back, she writes, walking back and then crosses it out in her. In her original manuscript, tracing back and forwards, weeping and grieving like a tender infant until about sunset. We persuaded him to take a little nourishment. The next morning he went home. Think about this. Martin Harris gets in that house finally sometime around one or whatever, and for the rest of the day the whole family is sobbing and weeping and crying. Joseph's response have you brought condemnation upon me as well as yourself and Martin Harris? Yes. We think of Joseph Smith often. We think of him as either the 14 year old in the Grove or the Lieutenant General of the Nauvoo Legion standing in front of the Nauvoo Temple. Joseph is either the young boy desperate with a single question or he's the great prophet of the Restoration ready to take on all comers who have questions and will eventually give his life for the work. What we often forget is that Joseph Smith doesn't know the things that you and I know. You and I know the nature of the plan of salvation. We know it because Joseph Smith will eventually reveal it. You and I know that the relationship we have is with our Heavenly Father as a father to a son, because Joseph revealed it. You and I know just how forgiving your Heavenly Father is because of the revelations Joseph Smith would eventually receive. But Joseph doesn't know those things yet. Joseph has been raised in a Christian community that believes the moment you have given offense to God, the judgments are coming. And unlike someone who was uninitiated or uneducated in the ways of God, Joseph had seen and talked to God and Jesus. Joseph had seen an angel on a half a dozen plus occasions. And Joseph had lost this work that the angel told him was essential for the second coming of Christ. And we all know that there's a happy story. That's part of the problem with studying history and putting yourself in the the minds of the people that are living. It is, you already know the end of the story. The loss of the 116 pages. We say lost, but really they're stolen. The stolen 116 pages. For us. We almost breeze over it because we already know that God had prepared a way. But Joseph has no idea that God prepared a way. We don't put too much thought in the fact that Joseph believes he's going to be condemned to hell forever. First of all, because we now know that forever hell doesn't even exist. We know that God is so loving, we know that he's so forgiving that we don't put ourselves in the anguish of mind that the Smith family had, that Martin Harris had, that Joseph had. Because our understanding of our heavenly Father is totally different than the Christian world they grew up in. What did they know? They knew they made a covenant with God and that they broke that covenant. And the Bible and Christian history doesn't have good things to say about people who break covenants with God. So as Joseph makes his way back the next morning, he likely believes that he's condemned to hell forever. He's not only lost his child, he's not only lost his manuscript, he's not only lost the plates, he's not only lost his feeling that he's right with God eternally, he is likely damned. And why would he think anything other than that? Why do you think they're moaning and crying for the rest of the day? Why did Joseph, in his first reaction, say, have you brought condemnation upon? Joseph didn't say, man, we spent months on that. Now we got to redo it. Joseph doesn't say that. His response is, we are now condemned, were condemned. And Joseph makes his way back to tell Emma, who wrote most of this as he dictated it, it's gone. It's all gone. She this is actually what Lucy Smith writes. She says, it was with heavy hearts when he left. For it seemed as though all of our fond anticipations which we had fed upon and which had been the source of so much secret gratification to all of us was in the moment fled and fled forever. It's like the entire Smith family believes at this point, it's over. This is no more of the angel coming and saying, hey, shucks, Joseph, you're just not right with God. It's it. We're condemned by God and we are destined for hell. And this is what Lucy Smith says that Joseph told her about what happened next. He said, I returned home immediately after I left you. And after I arrived here, I commenced humbling myself in mighty prayer before the Lord. And as I poured out my soul in supplication to him, that if possible, that I might obtain mercy at his hands and be forgiven of all that I had done which was contrary to his will. Joseph is. It comes back, tells Emma, obviously it's a horrible reunion in that regard, and really believes he's condemned. And, you know, we've mentioned this before, we don't have an indication of this, but given the Christian world that Joseph lived in, given the belief that so many people had, that horrible things that happened to you were always a sign of God's displeasure, I mean, it's hard not to think that part of, of Joseph or Emma had the thought cross their mind. Maybe, maybe God let our baby die because we didn't. We broke the covenants with God.
Dr. Richard Leduc
Well, this is a sentiment today that people have. We've received so many emails heartbroken from people that have said, not quite to that extent, but they take some blame on something that's just absolutely terrible. I can't, I can't imagine, given all of those circumstances, then also thinking that possibly he had something to do because of the vengeance of God for what he's done.
Dr. Garrett Dirkmaat
I think anyone who loses a loved one in any unexpected or unexplained circumstance does at some point start to try to blame themselves, saying, if only I had done X, then this wouldn't have happened, or why didn't I do Y and that would have stopped this, or I should have known X. And in the desperation of grief that comes when unexpected sorrow hits you, we often flail about trying to find anything that will explain the unexplainable. And all too often our flailing about, we have. We have nothing to rest it on except ourselves. That's the only thing that I can. I can tangibly say, this is my fault. That's why this happened. And sometimes it's. It will get to that point where if only I was more righteous, if only I had prayed harder, if only I'd gone to the temple ten more times, then this wouldn't have happened. And Joseph Smith, hopefully, one of the things you take away from Doctrine and Covenants, Section three, especially this backstory, is that Joseph Smith, the prophet of the Restoration, had a horrific, horrible thing happen in his family and in his life. And that's not the end of their grief. That's not the only baby they bury because Emma will become pregnant with twins when they move to Ohio, and those two babies will be born and both of them will die at birth, and then they'll adopt the Murdaugh twins and one of them will die only a few months later. If you are Joseph and Emma, by the time you've been married four years, you have had five babies in your Home, four of them will have died. I mean that is a very difficult thing to comprehend. Not just, oh, there's some trials that you're going to have too Joseph, but horrific heart rending sorrow, the loss of children over and over and over again. So Joseph, that's why I say that I feel like this, this July 1828 really is the lowest that Joseph ever gets. Because while Joseph pleads to the Lord in Liberty Jail, he doesn't plead to the Lord because he believes that he's lost his soul. He doesn't believe that he is under God's condemnation. His question is, God, why are you letting these wonderful Saints suffer so much? When is the suffering going to stop? But In July of 1828, Joseph doesn't know any of the revelations yet because he hasn't received them yet. He doesn't know that God will explain how the righteous are taken care of when they die. He doesn't know even what the Book of Mormon has to say about the righteous who die and the wicked who die. Because he hasn't translated the part of the Book of Mormon that we have yet. He walks out to pray to God. And this is what Lucy Smith says happened. As I was doing this, an angel stood before me and answered me saying that I had sinned in that I delivered the manuscript into the hands of a wicked man and that as he adventured to become responsible for this man's faithfulness, he would have necessity suffer the consequences of his indiscretion that he must now give the plates back into the hands of the angel from whom he had received them. But he said, it may be that if you are sufficiently humble and penitent that you will receive them again. Soon after this, I received a revelation from the Lord. That revelation, that first recorded revelation in this dispensation of the fullness of times is Doctrine and Covenants, Section 3. Joseph who is in misery, Joseph, who's in agony, who believes the work is destroyed, his soul is destroyed, his happiness is destroyed. These are the first words that are spoken in that revelation. The works and designs and purposes of God cannot be frustrated. Neither can they come to naught. If you drop down to verse three. Remember, remember that it's not the work of God that is frustrated, but the work of men. So part of what's going on in Joseph's mind is, oh no, because of what I've done, the Book of Mormon is never going to come forth. I've destroyed the work of the Lord. The Lord reminding him the work of God can't Actually be frustrated men, for sure they're going to fail you. Men fail you all the time. You don't have to live very long in this world to figure out that men fail you. But God isn't going to fail you. And the Lord tells him, for although a man have many revelations and have power to do many mighty works, yet if he boasts in his own strength and sets at not the counsels of God and follows after the dictates of his own will and carnal desires, he must fall and incur the vengeance of a just God upon him. Behold, you have been entrusted with these things, but how strict were your commandments? And also remember the promises which were made to you if you did not transgress them. And behold how often you have transgressed the commandments and laws of God and have gone on in the persuasions of men. For behold, you should not have feared man more than God, although men set it not the counsels of God and despise his words. You should have been faithful and he would have extended his arm and supported you against all the fiery darts of the adversary. And he would have been with you in every time of trouble. So part of what Joseph is being educated here, as the Lord speaks to him in this first recorded revelation, is this all happened because in your mind, Joseph, you loved Martin Harris and you wanted to make him happy. And you knew the will of the Lord was to not give him the pages. But you, you pushed on in wanting to make him happy. You sat there and you thought, there is no possible way penniless me, with no means, with no family income could possibly publish the Book of Mormon to the world. All you could think about was how the world would not make any of this possible. And because that's what you thought, you made this horrible choice. Joseph's early sins in not being able to get the plates were based upon the same thing, that all he could think about was, if I take a leaf of these plates, my family will never have to worry about money again. And here he is confronted with it again, that while he certainly knows that God exists, while he certainly has faith in Jesus, there's no question of whether or not Joseph believes in the unseen world. He sees it all the time. Even that knowledge that God exists, that Jesus is real, that angels are helping him, isn't enough to make Joseph give up the concerns of the world when it comes to how will this book be published. And because he gave in to that, because he thought, if I lose Martin, I've lost everything, not only have I lost a friend. I've lost the ability to do what God wants me to do. God here has to remind him. Hey, this isn't you just sitting down to write a novel with some friends. The fact that Martin's no longer going to be able to puppet for you, you are doing the work of God. The Lord tells him. Verse 9. Thou art Joseph, and thou was chosen to do the work of the Lord. So how are you going to have these things work out? Well, because I'm God, and I told you they're going to work out. Then they're going to work out. Now, that might seem pretty harsh in the state that Joseph's in, But then verse 10 is the balm of Gilead to all of the people right now listening who are like you don't understand. I've sinned so much, I can never come back. Even if I repent, God will never love me the same way that he loved me before. Verse 10 of Doctrine Covenant. Section 3 should be one of the most powerful verses you ever read this year. Remember, God is merciful, therefore repent of that which thou hast done, which is contrary to the commandment which I gave you. And thou art still chosen and art again called to the work. The Lord extends that arm of forgiveness. Even though Joseph made a covenant and he broke it. Even though Joseph repeatedly refused to listen, even though Joseph was worried about what Martin would think more than what God would think. Even though this terrible calamity has taken place, when it comes to the translation the Lord tells him, remember, God is merciful. You are still chosen. So for those of you who are listening, who feel like you have sinned and there is no way back, maybe you have broken covenants that you made with God. Maybe you despise yourself. Maybe you think God could never love me again. God in verse 10 says, if you repent, you are still chosen. That way is always open for all of us. Now it will go on to. It will go on to provide more counsel to Joseph so he doesn't make the same mistake. But verse 16, the Lord explains, my work shall go forth. For inasmuch as the knowledge of a Savior has come to the world through the testimony of the Jews, even so shall a knowledge of the Savior come unto my people and to the Nephites and the Jacobites and the Josephites and the Zoramites, through the testimony of their fathers. It goes on to say that these plates were preserved. This is verse 19, which contain these records that the promises of the Lord might be fulfilled, which he made to his people, and that the Lamanites may come to the knowledge of their fathers, that they might know the promises of the Lord, that they may believe the Gospel and rely upon the merits of Jesus Christ, and be glorified through faith in his name, and that through their repentance they might be saved. The great long backstory I gave to Doctrine and Covenant Section 3 is all so that you can understand how powerful this revelation must have been to Joseph. And we know what the response was for Joseph because they don't see him for a long time. In fact, this is what Lucy Smith says. Imagine their son leaves in this horrible, horrible state. This is what she says. They finally go down to visit him. We never heard from our unfortunate son until two months after when, being uneasy as to the consequences of his distress of mind, we went down to Harmony to make him a visit. When we came within three quarters of a mile of the house, Joseph started off to meet us, telling his wife that father and mother were coming, although he could not see us. So he had inspiration of it, and he met us with a countenance blazing with delight, and it was very evident that his joy did not arise wholly from seeing us. He said very little concerning this subject of his trouble until the evening. And then he related what had taken place since he was in New York with minute precision, telling them how he received this revelation that the work was going to still go forward, that he could still be forgiven of his sins, and that God's work was not frustrated. I love the story of Doctrine Covenant Section three because I think it's very relatable to all of us. So as you study it, as you ponder it, as you think about it, allow the Holy Spirit to work in you to create a better relationship with your Savior and with your Heavenly Father, eliminating the sins that are keeping you from them, eliminating the cares of the world which weigh on all of us so that you can be closer to your Father in Heaven. Thank you so much for listening.
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Detailed Summary of "Standard of Truth" Podcast – Season 5, Episode 4: D&C 3 Part 2
In Season 5, Episode 4 of the "Standard of Truth" podcast, hosted by Dr. Garrett Dirkmaat, the discussion centers around a pivotal moment in the early history of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints—the events surrounding Doctrine and Covenants Section 3. Joined by Dr. Richard Leduc, Dr. Dirkmaat delves deep into the emotional and spiritual turmoil experienced by Prophet Joseph Smith during a critical period of his prophetic mission. The episode intertwines historical analysis with personal anecdotes, humor, and spiritual insights to provide listeners with a comprehensive understanding of this significant revelation.
Dr. Dirkmaat opens the episode with a warm welcome, joined by his co-host Dr. Richard Leduc. The conversation begins with playful banter, highlighting their camaraderie and setting a relatable tone for the episode.
Dr. Dirkmaat [00:47]: "Hi. Welcome to another episode of Search these Commandments, a Standard of Truth podcast production."
Dr. Leduc [00:47]: "Hello, Garrett. In last week's episode, we kept everyone on a cliffhanger relating to Doctrine Covenants, Section three."
The hosts humorously discuss the unpredictability of their discussions and share an anecdote about a listener, Ryan from Salem Hills High School. This segment not only humanizes the hosts but also engages listeners with relatable humor about everyday interactions and misunderstandings.
Dr. Dirkmaat [02:00]: "One of the coaches there who is a listener to the podcast got to meet him the other day at my younger son Titus's bantam game."
Dr. Leduc [03:04]: "If you think that your sales pitch is so good and they just don't understand your brilliance... someone is an idiot in that equation."
This lighthearted exchange underscores the hosts' ability to blend humor with serious historical discussions, making the content accessible and engaging.
Emphasizing the continuity of the series, Dr. Dirkmaat urges listeners to ensure they have listened to Part One for a complete understanding, albeit jokingly admitting that even prior listeners might find the upcoming content challenging.
The discussion then transitions to the main narrative of Doctrine and Covenants Section 3. Dr. Dirkmaat outlines the dire circumstances faced by Joseph Smith—his spiritual despair after losing the sacred 116 pages, compounded by personal tragedies such as the death of his firstborn son and concerns for his wife Emma's health.
Dr. Leduc adds depth to the discussion by highlighting the emotional and physical exhaustion Joseph experiences, painting a vivid picture of his vulnerability during this crisis.
Dr. Leduc [10:14]: "And that man's name was Dirk Moss."
Dr. Dirkmaat [10:17]: "No, it wasn't. We don't know who it was. It wouldn't surprise me if it happened to be one of the three Nephites that was."
This segment sets the stage for the intense emotional and spiritual challenges Joseph faces, providing listeners with a foundational understanding of the significance of the upcoming revelation.
Dr. Dirkmaat narrates the encounter between Joseph Smith and a mysterious stranger during his stagecoach journey. The stranger, recognizing Joseph's distress, insists on accompanying him to ensure his safety, preventing him from continuing the arduous 20-mile walk alone.
Dr. Leduc [07:55]: "Yeah, that'll do it."
Dr. Dirkmaat [07:56]: "If they had Takis back then in a Package form."
The hosts infuse humor into the historical narrative, comparing the stranger's practical advice of giving Joseph pepper to modern-day snacks like Takis. This blend of humor and history keeps the discussion lively and relatable.
Upon arriving home, the household anxiously awaits Martin Harris's return, who has failed to bring back the lost pages. The tension is palpable as the family contemplates the missing manuscript, with Joseph's anxiety exacerbated by his belief that he has fallen out of God's favor.
Through their detailed recounting, Dr. Dirkmaat and Dr. Leduc highlight the deep emotional strain Joseph and his family were under, setting the stage for the profound spiritual revelation that follows.
The hosts delve into the depth of Joseph's despair upon Martin Harris's confession of losing the 116 pages. Joseph's immediate reaction is one of profound guilt and fear of divine condemnation, fueled by his lack of understanding of the broader divine plan at that moment.
Dr. Leduc and Dr. Dirkmaat draw parallels between Joseph's ancient context and modern-day struggles with guilt and self-blame, making the historical account resonate with contemporary listeners.
The discussion touches upon the cumulative grief the Smith family endured, including multiple infant losses, which intensified Joseph's emotional and spiritual turmoil.
This segment poignantly captures the human side of Joseph Smith, offering listeners a deeper empathy and understanding of his vulnerabilities and the immense pressures he faced.
At the heart of the episode lies the exposition of Doctrine and Covenants Section 3, presented as Joseph Smith's first recorded revelation in this dispensation. Dr. Dirkmaat meticulously breaks down the revelation's content, emphasizing its profound impact on Joseph's faith and mission.
Key Themes Explored:
Divine Purpose vs. Human Failure:
The revelation reassures Joseph that despite human errors, God's divine purpose remains unshaken.
Accountability and Humility:
Mercy and Redemption:
This pivotal verse underscores God's boundless mercy, offering Joseph a path to redemption despite his failings.
Assurance of Prophetic Role:
The hosts emphasize the transformative nature of this revelation, illustrating how it not only alleviated Joseph's immediate despair but also fortified his unwavering commitment to the Restoration.
This in-depth analysis provides listeners with a nuanced understanding of the revelation's significance, both historically and spiritually.
Dr. Dirkmaat and Dr. Leduc bridge the gap between the 19th-century narrative and contemporary experiences, drawing parallels that make the historical account relevant to today's listeners.
The hosts discuss how individuals today may grapple with similar feelings of guilt and self-blame during times of suffering or loss, resonating deeply with Joseph's ancient struggles.
By connecting Joseph's journey of despair, repentance, and revelation to modern personal challenges, the hosts offer listeners a source of comfort and insight, encouraging them to seek divine guidance and forgiveness in their own lives.
As the episode draws to a close, Dr. Dirkmaat delivers a heartfelt message, urging listeners to study and ponder Doctrine and Covenants Section 3 thoughtfully. He emphasizes the role of the Holy Spirit in fostering a deeper relationship with the Savior and Heavenly Father, advocating for the elimination of personal sins and worldly worries to achieve spiritual closeness.
This concluding segment reinforces the episode's central themes of redemption, divine purpose, and the enduring strength of faith amidst adversity.
Dr. Dirkmaat [03:04]: "Everything I'm about to say will likely make no sense to you at all."
Dr. Leduc [07:55]: "Yeah, that'll do it."
Dr. Dirkmaat [10:17]: "No, it wasn't. We don't know who it was. It wouldn't surprise me if it happened to be one of the three Nephites that was."
Dr. Dirkmaat [19:39]: "It's crazy that no one goes out. And like, I mean, at this point you'd expect Joseph to walk out, punch him right in the mouth and then just walk back in and eat his cold mush, whatever it was."
Dr. Dirkmaat [31:13]: "I think anyone who loses a loved one... at some point start to blame themselves."
Dr. Leduc [31:36]: "He didn't believe that he is under God's condemnation."
Dr. Dirkmaat [46:43]: "Allow the Holy Spirit to work in you to create a better relationship with your Savior... eliminating the sins that are keeping you from them."
In this episode, Dr. Garrett Dirkmaat and Dr. Richard Leduc skillfully navigate the complex emotional and spiritual landscape of Joseph Smith's experiences during a tumultuous period in LDS history. By intertwining historical analysis, personal reflection, and humor, they provide listeners with a rich and engaging exploration of Doctrine and Covenants Section 3. The episode not only illuminates the resilience and unwavering faith of Joseph Smith but also offers relatable insights for individuals facing their own challenges, underscoring the timeless relevance of divine purpose and redemption.