Podcast
State Secrets
Hosted by The Cipher Brief · EN
State Secrets is a weekly interview podcast featuring Cipher Brief experts and national security leaders.
16episodes
Episodes
Newest firstAll episodes
2084: The Future of War, AI, Climate Conflict—and Humanity's Survival
Yesterday00:33:54Tap to summarizeWhat happens when artificial intelligence, climate disruption, geopolitical rivalry, and information warfare collide? In this episode of the State Secrets Podcast, Cipher Brief CEO Suzanne Kelly sits down with retired Admiral James Stavridis and bestselling author and former Marine Eliot Ackerman to discuss their new novel, 2084—the final installment in their acclaimed trilogy that began with 2034 and 2054. Drawing on decades of military, intelligence, and geopolitical experience, Stavridis and Ackerman explore a future shaped by climate-driven migration, AI-powered conflict, surveillance, shifting global power centers, and the growing competition for influence in the Arctic and beyond. They explain how fiction can serve as a strategic warning, helping readers imagine future crises before they become reality. The conversation also examines the risks of cognitive warfare, autonomous weapons, U.S.-China tensions, democratic resilience, and why—despite the challenges ahead—the authors remain cautiously optimistic about humanity's ability to navigate the century's biggest threats. If you care about the future of national security, technology, and global stability, this is a conversation you won't want to miss.
Transcribe →
Inside Jack Ryan: Ghost War — Director Andrew Bernstein on CIA Realism & Modern Espionage
1w ago00:31:21Tap to summarizeWhat does it take to make a modern espionage thriller feel real? In this episode of State Secrets, Suzanne Kelly sits down with acclaimed director Andrew Bernstein to discuss Jack Ryan: Ghost War — the new feature-length installment of the iconic franchise that brings shadow conflict, intelligence operations, and geopolitical tension into sharp focus. Bernstein — whose work includes The Americans and Ozark — reveals how the production worked directly with the Central Intelligence Agency and MI6 to better understand the realities of intelligence work, the emotional toll of covert operations, and the evolving threats facing the West today. The conversation explores the balance between realism and entertainment, why intelligence professionals connected deeply with the film, and how today's gray zone conflicts — from cyber warfare to disinformation campaigns — are shaping modern storytelling. Bernstein also shares behind-the-scenes insight into filming unprecedented action sequences in central London and what it was like screening the movie at CIA headquarters.
Transcribe →
China, Cyber War & the Five Eyes Fight: Rachel Noble on the New Front Lines of National Security
2w ago00:43:22Tap to summarizeFormer Australian Signals Directorate Director-General Rachel Noble joins State Secrets with Suzanne Kelly for a rare insider's look at the cyber battles shaping modern national security. From China's targeting of critical infrastructure to Russia, Iran, AI-enabled threats, offensive cyber operations and the power of the Five Eyes alliance, Noble explains why the next conflict may already be underway - inside our networks. In this episode: Why the Australian Signals Directorate is one of the Five Eyes' most important cyber and intelligence partners How China is pre-positioning inside critical infrastructure and telecommunications networks Why cyber criminals and state-backed actors are increasingly blurring together What Russia, Iran and China are teaching the world about cyber conflict How AI is accelerating both cyber defense and cyber offense Why private sector companies may now be the first line of defense in modern conflict What citizens can do to strengthen national cyber resilience Why intelligence agencies need to better explain their mission to the public Become a Cipher Brief Subscriber+ for deeper national security insight from the experts shaping the conversation.
Transcribe →
The Narrative Kill Chain
3w ago00:31:10Tap to summarizeJennifer Ewbank dives deep into how algorithmic manipulation and AI are reshaping the battlefield of information. As threats evolve, our understanding of them must too. The convergence of technology and tactics is unprecedented, and it's vital to recognize the implications of this industrialized production of misinformation. The developments in AI could be a game-changer, enabling us to identify synthetic media at scale, offering a way to counter this threat without censorship. Is this the moment we redefine our approach to misinformation?
Transcribe →
CIA in Mexico: The Hidden Risks Behind U.S. Intelligence Missions
4w ago00:24:20Tap to summarizeThe reported deaths of two CIA officers in Mexico have sparked questions, sharp reactions, and widespread speculation. But what really happened - and what does it reveal about how U.S. intelligence operates in one of the world's most complex threat environments? In this in-depth conversation, Cipher Brief CEO Suzanne Kelly speaks with Ralph Goff, a six-time CIA station chief, who brings rare, firsthand insight into the realities of intelligence operations, the risks officers face, and the truth behind the headlines. Goff explains why the loss of intelligence officers - often far from traditional war zones - remains an enduring reality of the job. He also breaks down how the CIA works with foreign partners, why operations in Mexico are uniquely dangerous, and how missions continue even after tragedy strikes. This conversation also pulls back the curtain on how intelligence operations are actually authorized and conducted - dispelling Hollywood myths about rogue agents and revealing the legal, political, and operational constraints that govern every move.
Transcribe →
What the Future of Conflict Looks Like: Petraeus on Iran Endgame & Ukraine's Drone War
Apr 2700:45:27Tap to summarizeWhat does "success" look like in a conflict with Iran - and what comes next? In this in-depth conversation, General David Petraeus joins The Cipher Brief's Suzanne Kelly to unpack the military and strategic realities shaping today's most consequential conflicts. From the importance of reopening the Strait of Hormuz to the unresolved risks around Iran's nuclear program, Petraeus explains what's at stake not just for the U.S., but for the global economy. But the real story? Ukraine. Petraeus calls it the true test case for the future of war - where drones, autonomy, and rapid innovation are redefining the battlefield in real time.
Transcribe →
Tradecraft and Deception: Understanding Russia's Intelligence Machine
Apr 600:32:34Tap to summarizeIn this episode of State Secrets, former CIA Senior Operations Officer Sean Wiswesser examines the evolution of Russian intelligence - from Soviet-era tradecraft to modern hybrid warfare. He unpacks Moscow's strategic mindset, its transactional relationships with partners like Iran, and its enduring focus on weakening democratic systems. With insights drawn from decades in the field, Wiswesser explains what most people misunderstand about Russia - and why that matters now more than ever.
Transcribe →
ISIS Reawakens: What the Bondi Attack Signals for Global Terror
Mar 3000:26:26Tap to summarizeA mass-casualty attack at Sydney's Bondi Beach in December 2025 shattered assumptions about the decline of ISIS - and raised urgent questions about what comes next. In this episode of State Secrets, Suzanne Kelly speaks with terrorism experts Levi West and Andrew Zammit to unpack what made this attack different: months of planning, coordinated tactics, and a clear alignment with evolving ISIS strategy. The discussion reveals a troubling shift - from isolated, impulsive attacks to more deliberate, semi-organized operations fueled by sophisticated propaganda and global events like the Gaza conflict. The group also examines how ISIS is leveraging English-language messaging, rebuilding momentum across regions like Afghanistan and the Sahel, and blurring the line between "inspired" and "directed" attacks. Most importantly, they explore what this means for U.S. and allied security services at a time when counterterrorism is no longer the top global priority. Bottom line: ISIS may look diminished - but the threat is adapting in ways that are harder to detect, disrupt, and defeat.
Transcribe →
David Ignatius on War with Iran, the Future of Espionage, and 50 Years of Reporting
Mar 1100:31:22Tap to summarizeWashington Post columnist and bestselling novelist David Ignatius joins State Secrets to reflect on more than five decades covering intelligence, war, and global power. In this conversation with Suzanne Kelly, Ignatius shares his perspective on what he calls a potentially historic moment in U.S. conflict with Iran and explains why today's battles increasingly unfold in the gray zone - from cyber operations to covert networks operating far from traditional battlefields. Ignatius also discusses the evolving relationship between journalists and intelligence agencies, the challenges of reporting during periods of restricted access, and why original reporting still matters in an era of AI-generated analysis. Drawing on decades of travel and firsthand reporting - from Beirut to Kyiv - he explains why being on the ground remains essential to understanding modern conflict, including what he calls Ukraine's emerging "algorithm war." The conversation comes as Ignatius is honored with The Cipher Brief's 2026 Impact in Journalism Award, recognizing a career spent uncovering how intelligence, technology, and geopolitics shape the world.
Transcribe →
China's Fancy Dragons in the Sky Hold Hidden Clues for National Security
Mar 500:37:05Tap to summarizeInvestor Gilman Louie has spent much of his career focused on future national security. Tapped by former CIA Director George Tenet to be the first CEO of the Agency's venture capital arm and later becoming an advisor and venture capital investor, Louie has spent decades working to identify the technologies that will ensure future national security. He told State Secrets podcast host Suzanne Kelly what clues we have about China's future ambitions and why he believes we're facing an Oppenheimer moment with AI.
Transcribe →