The Final Unsettling Chapter - SF746

Summary

Podcast Summary: Stay Free with Russell Brand

Episode Title: The Final Unsettling Chapter - SF746

Date: August 3, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of "Stay Free with Russell Brand" serves as the final chapter in a watch-along and discussion series focusing on Sean Stone’s supernatural documentary project, Secret Stone. The episode explores the blurring lines between faith, supernatural phenomena, filmmaking, and personal experience. Russell and his guests reflect on the events captured in Stone's film, discussing encounters with darkness, the interplay of light and evil, and their spiritual consequences both during production and in life.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Paranormal Experience During Filmmaking

• The crew continues their immersive viewing of Secret Stone, a film that intertwines documentary and supernatural horror elements. A recurring theme is the palpable presence of high, sometimes chaotic, energy during production—a phenomenon they attribute to both psychological and supernatural causes.
• Power surges, glitches, and an indefinable sense of heightened atmosphere are frequently noted. These experiences are described as both disruptive and integral to the authenticity of the project.

  "While we were making this content... it seemed supernatural forces were at work. Many times we had power surges. Many times it went in and out." – Russell Brand (00:49)

2. Authenticity vs. Performance in Supernatural Encounters

• The group debates whether intense supernatural reactions, notably Alex's, were genuine or a result of acting. There’s acknowledgment of “method acting” as a pathway to inviting spiritual forces—referenced in both a literal and metaphorical sense.
• Russell playfully suggests that spirits might be attracted by ‘acting nipples,’ mixing humor with seriousness in considering how open vulnerability can attract both art and supernatural experiences.

  "You open yourself to spirits. And I think that he was of the inclination to basically leave himself wide open to the spirits, you know, to take possession." – Sean Stone (24:20)
  "How could a spirit resist?" – Russell Brand (25:05)

3. Spiritual Battles: Faith as Shield

• Recurrent, intense segments describe individuals using faith and invocations of Christ to protect themselves and others from perceived evil forces in the haunted house.
• The discussion draws from multiple traditions—Christianity, Islam (Djinn), folklore—and synthesizes experiences of confronting darkness with the aid of light and “blessing” rituals.

  "You are a light warrior. In the name of Christ, Alex." – F (06:52)
  “Now’s the time to let the light shine and know that the darkness will always fear the light.” – J (49:33)

4. Intersecting the Supernatural with Institutions of Power

• Post-film, Russell and Sean discuss historical and contemporary beliefs in the supernatural’s interface with institutions—churches, courts, and governments—suggesting these are not just secular but fundamentally constructed upon ancient ritual and magical thinking.

  "You can’t make any claim for power unless you also make a claim for a kind of invisible order..." – Russell Brand (56:59)
  “It is a spell. It is maritime law, commercial law, that they're transacting in with the All Caps name... you are not in control.” – Sean Stone (57:24)

5. Personal Spiritual Journeys and Supernatural Engagement

• Both Sean Stone and Russell recount how direct or indirect contact with supernatural phenomena led them on deeper spiritual journeys—ultimately framing faith as a necessary compass to navigate such treacherous and ambiguous terrain.

  “If you start venturing off the safe terrain and into the mysterious and the supernatural... you want Christ.” – Russell Brand (54:28)
  “That start of the spiritual journey was a repercussion of those places... you got to have faith, otherwise you’re going to go crazy.” – Sean Stone (53:05)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Supernatural Disruption and Humor

• “You don’t need a doctor, you need a priest.” – Russell Brand (00:27)
• “That Alex is a bit actory with the filing cabinet... mitigate the impact of the head... the vibe of them of like... dramaticness.” – Russell Brand (24:08)

Moments of Spiritual Confrontation

• “You are the light warrior... We have always been Light warriors.” – F (06:45)
• “In the name of God. I need God's help for a second.” – F (07:57)

Intrusions from "Beyond"

• A chilling anonymous text received during the project:

  “I left you a gift, young boy. Coming for your soul. Enter not a man's home and without leaving a coin for the boatman. Get the out of here.” – Read by F (23:12)

Reflecting on the Nature of Power & Ritual

• “You can’t make any claim for power unless you also make a claim for a kind of invisible order.” – Russell Brand (56:59)
• “It is a spell... it is maritime law, commercial law, that they're transacting in...” – Sean Stone (57:24)

Final Reflections on Encountering Evil

• “The ambiguity... when you actually get near it, like when you get near to trying to say this is the mystery, people will go... no, not like that. It wouldn't be like that... it is ineffable and it's difficult and it's ambiguous by its nature.” – Russell Brand (55:10)
• “If you lose your soul, you can be destroyed by that. The darkness inside...” – Sean Stone (50:39)

Collaboration and Distribution Outlook

• Stone reveals plans to release the film to a wide audience for free, collaborating with Mickey Willis.

  “I just want to get it out to the widest audience possible. And I think I’ll just make it available for free, honestly.” – Sean Stone (59:01)

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Important Timestamps

• 00:08 – 03:08: Introduction and recounting previous technical/supernatural disruptions.
• 04:00 – 07:00: Dramatic, in-film confrontation with unseen forces; invocations of faith.
• 13:11 – 16:30: Discussion of pain, possession, and the consequences of contact.
• 23:12 – 24:44: The chilling anonymous message; debate on acting vs genuine supernatural influence.
• 28:21 – 30:52: Theorizing on priests, immortality rites, demons, jinn, and mental illness.
• 39:12 – 42:50: Dissection of spirit interactions, possessions, and visions; the psychic’s testimony.
• 47:10 – 49:33: Blessing ritual, exorcism, and shifting atmosphere among ‘spirits.’
• 53:05 – 56:21: Personal spiritual consequences, broader philosophical implications.
• 57:24 – 57:57: Institutions as ritualized spaces; legal and metaphysical overlays.
• 59:01 – End: Release plans for Secret Stone; closing reflections.

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Conclusion

This episode synthesizes a captivating blend of documentary horror, spiritual exploration, and philosophical speculation. Russell and guests examine how supernatural experiences can shake both personal identities and broader societal structures. Secret Stone becomes the springboard for deeper questions: about the role of faith, the permeability between acting and supernatural reality, and the continuing relevance of ancient ritual in the modern world.

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Final Note:
Sean Stone’s Secret Stone—part myth, part memoir, and part exposé—will be made available for broad public viewing, reaffirming the episode’s closing message: these mysteries belong to everyone, and confronting them is both a collective and individual journey.

Transcript

[A]

Hello there, you awakening wonders.

[B]

Thanks for joining me today for Stay

[A]

Free with Russell Brand.

[B]

Today we're concluding our watch along of Secret Stone. This is how we left off last time. We lost the signal, the screen turned red and things got a little strange. Whether it was technical difficulties or something else, we'll let you decide.

[A]

You don't need a doctor, you need a priest. If it keeps happening, then this is

[C]

definitely part of Sean's plan. But he couldn't have planned this.

[D]

See, you guys accusing me of being a mastermind. I'm a criminal mastermind over there.

[A]

Ladies and gentlemen, the footage you're about to see, we are assured by its auteur, the filmmaker Sean Stone, is authentic.

[C]

While we were.

[A]

Hold on, let me take my top off for this Sean Stone style, while we were making this content that we experienced glitches and high energy in the room. Not just because of the sexual charisma of the main participants, but because it's seemed supernatural forces were at work. Many times we had power surges. Many times it went in and out. And men, we were just discussing of, like, when you're making content, of course you're going to accent it and you're gonna produce it.

[D]

And cut. And you're gonna cut the fat, right. You're gonna get to the. To the heart of the juicy stuff, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And put some music to get a tempo. But the audio is real audio. That's all real audio.

[A]

Yeah, that's what I think.

[D]

It's not produced.

[A]

That's what's. That's what's hard, is that I wanna come into it and go like, oh, my God, Sean. You know, Jesus.

[E]

And I do.

[A]

So, like, I guess, like, you know. You know, you're funny enough. Like, when you. You went on Tucker recently, Han talked about a lot of your content and your recent documentary about Secretary Kennedy and his father. And what. I was, you know, when that, when that story came out, when Tucker said, like, I woke up and I've been attacked by demons. He actually told me that privately, like some time before. And. And then in the interim, I'd interviewed him. And when I saw that come out and go viral, I thought, oh, man, you don't ask the right questions when you're interviewing people. You could have asked him that in an interview and, like, you know, that would have been your content, your clip or whatever. But, like. But my point in this instance is I, like, I don't think, like, that Tucker's lying when he says that. I don't think he's not telling the truth. But there's some.

[B]

Like.

[A]

I have something about me when it comes to this stuff that protects me. Even though my own experience of coming to Christ was in. Was supernatural, it was like. It's not like, oh, then I looked and there was angels or whatever. But something happened in my. My stomach.

[F]

Yeah.

[D]

That was like.

[A]

Like, you know, that sort of just changed me in an instant. Like an energy change, a job. Right. So I'm not generally cynical. I'm just, in a way, protecting myself.

[C]

Well, I'd say that pastor's legit. You can feel the truth in that guy.

[A]

Yeah, for sure.

[C]

The message behind it, whether you believe what the house is doing or not doing, it's all real.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You know, like what he's trying to do by shining light on darkness and that you don't have to give it power. All those things have been very accurate and true, you know? Yeah.

[D]

Well, let's see what happens in the last battle with the house before we lose power. Before we lose power again.

[A]

What is it we on? Should I press 1 or just play?

[C]

Jake, would you. What? You paused it when you. When we got it back to the right spot. I think you press pause.

[D]

Let's see what happens.

[G]

Throwing things, dude.

[E]

I need to stay. It's this the. It's all shaking.

[F]

I need you to stay with me, brothers. This is what this is. This is the challenge.

[E]

Alex.

[F]

Alex, this is the challenge. You understand me? And you just stay calm and stay with me.

[E]

Alex. I'm gonna take care of this.

[H]

You.

[F]

Must be.

[I]

It's the house.

[F]

Reliving a memory.

[E]

All right, stop. Stop.

[F]

Oh, yeah.

[G]

Which way? Which way? Which fucking way? Which way? Which way? Which way?

[J]

Which way?

[F]

We're getting out of here now.

[E]

It ain't Christmas.

[G]

Out the window. At the window. I'm going out the window. Dude, I don't know what the fuck that was.

[E]

We are leaving this house now. I'm going out the window. No, wait.

[G]

Stand this way.

[E]

Allies have followed me.

[F]

Come here now.

[E]

Name of Christ.

[F]

Have some fucking faith. We're walking out of here.

[E]

Fucking July for seven years. Ask who it is. No, it's no one.

[F]

What the.

[H]

Who is it?

[I]

Shh.

[E]

My friend's calling.

[G]

Who is it?

[E]

Should I answer? It's right there. I'm trying to tell you something. This house is alive, okay? It's reliving the pain. There's a lot of fucking pain in here, and I'm feeling it. Light.

[F]

What's your name?

[E]

It at bay.

[G]

What's your name?

[I]

Alex.

[E]

Believe or not.

[G]

Freaking out I know what to do, man.

[E]

What are we. You're fine. You're fine. Did you hear it? You're fine. He was expelling something. You're fine. It's in my head, man. It's fine.

[G]

Y.

[F]

It's in my head. Alex.

[I]

No.

[E]

That was real. Alex.

[F]

Alex.

[E]

Stop it.

[F]

You are the light warrior.

[D]

Light warriors do not give in.

[F]

Alex. You are a light warrior. In the name of Christ, Alex. In the name of Christ Jesus. In the name of God. Alex. You and I. Brother. Come to me. Brother. Brother. Alex, do you you hear me? Sammy, I need you to do something.

[E]

Come behind me. I need you to come behind me right now. Alex.

[F]

You are a light. You are a light warrior. Alex. I know you're strong. I know you're stronger than. I know you're stronger than this, my brother. I know you're stronger than this. Alex. Alex. Don't you alone.

[G]

Come with me.

[F]

Come with me.

[G]

Looking for the light. Come with me.

[F]

Looking for the light, baby. You are with me in the light. We are Light warriors.

[B]

Alex. Alex.

[F]

Wraith. You and Shawn Stone are Light warriors. You and Sean Stone are light warriors. We have always been Light warriors. And we always will be Light warriors. And you come with me, brother. You fucking come with me now. You come with me now. Into the light. You follow the light.

[J]

What are you doing?

[G]

What are you doing?

[F]

You come with me to the light.

[E]

Hey.

[F]

Hey. Follow the light. Do you hear my voice? Do you hear Sean Stone talking to you? This is the Stonewalker. Remember me? Remember the Stonewalker.

[E]

Hey, Wraith.

[F]

Stonewalker brother.

[E]

Hey.

[I]

Wraith.

[G]

Dude, did you hear that thing?

[F]

Wraith.

[I]

Wraith.

[G]

Did you guys hear that thing?

[F]

Wraith. Wraith. I need you here with me now. Wraith.

[E]

Wraith. Don't go in there, Alex.

[F]

Wraith. You are the Stone. Walker.

[B]

Hey.

[G]

He did hear.

[F]

You are the Stonewalker.

[H]

Hey.

[E]

You went downstairs.

[F]

I don't want to follow him. Alex, why you following him downstairs?

[E]

Come on. Hey.

[H]

No.

[F]

Hey, you.

[D]

Alex, if you're gonna down there, you're not coming back.

[E]

We have to go with him. We can't leave him. No, we can't leave him. Leave him. We cannot leave him.

[C]

Leave him.

[E]

Sean, please. Sean, just trust me for a second.

[F]

Alex,

[E]

we have to go help.

[C]

Alex.

[E]

Sean. Sean, we cannot leave him, okay? Listen, you know that we can't leave our fucking.

[F]

In the name of God. In the name of God.

[E]

I need.

[F]

I need God's help for a second.

[E]

Please.

[F]

I need God's help, okay? I don't want us all getting hurt

[E]

because this Guy just lost his mind. It's upstairs.

[F]

No, it's not.

[E]

It's upstairs. Shut up.

[I]

It's coming from there.

[F]

Hey. Alex. Alex, it's coming from here. Alex, I need you. Wraith. I need you.

[I]

Alex.

[F]

Wraith, I need you.

[E]

Sean, it's upstairs now.

[D]

Alex.

[F]

Wraith.

[E]

Sean, I hear.

[F]

I fucking need you.

[E]

Sean, you need to be here right now. It's above us. Alex.

[F]

Wraith, I need you. Where are you? Alex. Wraith, where are you? Hey. What's going on? How did you get up there? How did you get above us?

[A]

Alex.

[F]

Wraith, I need you with me, please. You just went down and went up.

[E]

Okay.

[F]

I need you with me, my brother, please.

[E]

What the fuck?

[F]

I don't want to know how you just did that, but I need you with me, brother. Ray, we're getting out of here now.

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[E]

No, I'm with you. Listen. What did you see?

[F]

Listen to stonewalker. I am with you. I got you, my brother.

[E]

I got you.

[F]

See the blood?

[E]

Jesus Christ. This shit's insane.

[F]

Alex, I need you. Alex, I need you. I'm here.

[D]

Sure, I'm good, right?

[E]

I just see that fresh blood. I'm trying to show you Something.

[G]

Look at this.

[I]

What is that?

[F]

Dude, that's all. That blood is fresh. What is that? What is this? I need you guys.

[K]

I need you.

[E]

Smells sour.

[J]

All right, I'm good.

[F]

Listen, I'm good.

[E]

Sean, we're good. Alex, we're good.

[F]

Just chill out. Chill out, Chill out, Chill out.

[E]

Chill out. I'm not freaking out, dude. Just chill out.

[G]

We're going go through this peacefully.

[E]

Just chill out, Sam. Let's just chill out.

[G]

I'm here, dude. I'm like.

[F]

Threw a chair at me. You know that?

[G]

I didn't throw it at you.

[F]

Yes, you did.

[G]

I threw it at you.

[E]

Yes. Should have punched me in the face.

[K]

Let's go.

[G]

What is that?

[F]

Hangman.

[K]

What is that?

[G]

You all right? What's wrong with you?

[E]

Give me a.

[G]

Relax.

[E]

It's freedom here. Relax. I'm not in pain. I'm feeling free, man.

[F]

I can't fly right now.

[E]

You understand?

[F]

It's like, all right, let's get the.

[G]

Here.

[I]

Sam.

[E]

A year ago, I would have never been able to have seen what I saw. And right now, not, like, be completely lost. Like I said, that was not. That was not human or of this.

[F]

I look at Sam's like, look, I saw in his eyes that, like, this shit's going down. And then all of a sudden, I look at Sean and he goes. The whole reason that I was praying is because I was trying to feel the energy. And, like, I could feel the pain coming in. And as soon as the pain reached a certain point, it had to express itself materially. Like, the energy transfers from the ethereal

[G]

realm to that guy is the guy that. You know what I felt, dude? That guy that fucking priest controls. He has these kids, like, trapped.

[E]

Yeah.

[F]

But I think he's not allowed to be free. Anyway, if we go back, you shouldn't go back in there. I want to go back, kind of.

[J]

What for?

[F]

It was during the day. To the door.

[B]

Like, behind it.

[E]

Holy.

[F]

Little chandelier over here.

[A]

That's a.

[E]

Leave.

[F]

Someone lives here?

[I]

What?

[F]

Leave. Someone lives here.

[G]

That'd be cool.

[E]

There's so much that we can.

[D]

Like running into the chandelier.

[E]

There. Okay, stop.

[F]

There you go.

[E]

Nice. And she behind me. Just stay calm.

[I]

Just stay.

[F]

Oh, you saw that?

[E]

Was it bad?

[G]

Saw that? Was it bad?

[E]

It's okay. Just stay calm. From Calm, man. Stay calm.

[F]

Okay, we're good. Give me that big light

[G]

one. Above your head, there's a bat.

[F]

Above your head, there's a baby.

[I]

I got him.

[F]

Of course.

[E]

Did you get this? You see?

[G]

Look at the bats.

[C]

The bats.

[F]

Look at the bats.

[G]

Flowers.

[F]

Do it again.

[B]

What is this?

[E]

It's a joke. Just calm down. Hey,

[F]

don't shine your lights in the windows.

[E]

Guys, be careful.

[G]

The windows.

[J]

Up.

[E]

Careful. Stay calm, stay calm, stay calm. That fell.

[F]

What fell?

[E]

That.

[G]

What is that?

[J]

The flowers.

[I]

How?

[J]

The flowers.

[G]

What?

[D]

The.

[G]

The flowers.

[F]

Flowers.

[E]

Over there.

[F]

It's okay.

[E]

It's all right.

[H]

It's fine. There's someone's flowers. It's fine.

[E]

All right, let's go.

[I]

Here's.

[F]

I like stuff picking up, Dude. Alex.

[E]

Hey,

[G]

Stop it.

[F]

Can you hear me?

[E]

Alex, can you hear me? Alex, can you hear me?

[I]

Alex?

[E]

Alex. Ray. Sean Stone talking to you. I need you to look inside and find the light inside of you, okay?

[F]

You feel the light inside of you? Off of me, dude.

[C]

Off of me.

[G]

Wrong with you guys?

[A]

Everything's right on the money, brother.

[J]

We're cool.

[E]

Everything's cool.

[F]

We're cool. Where are we? In the hospital, brother.

[I]

We're cool.

[F]

Oh, Alex. They're going to lock you up if you don't stop. That's a fire lock.

[I]

That's what it is. All right, I think we get the fuck out of here.

[E]

Yeah.

[I]

It's being set off for some reason. It.

[F]

Feel it?

[E]

Yeah.

[G]

Timer, step out of it.

[F]

Dude, I'm touch you, man. Can't touch you. There's a light in your soul.

[G]

Tamara.

[F]

There's a light right here.

[G]

Tell me, what do you see? Tammy, what do you see? Yeah.

[F]

You okay, dude, don't let touch you, man.

[K]

Holy.

[F]

Don't let that touch you, man. It's fire.

[K]

I couldn't see anything except for his grin.

[F]

My phone was making weird noises.

[E]

Yeah?

[F]

What was it doing? I don't know.

[G]

It was like spazzing out.

[F]

Anonymous text.

[D]

Oh, fuck.

[F]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Cameron, come here.

[E]

See what this says.

[F]

I left you a gift, young boy. Coming for your soul. Enter not a man's home. And without leaving a coin for the boatman. Get the out of here.

[G]

Get the out of here.

[I]

What?

[F]

Get the out of here.

[I]

Oh, yeah.

[G]

I just got the chills. I just got the chills, dude.

[C]

Enter.

[F]

A man's there, not a man's home.

[A]

Off them come gutters.

[C]

My gosh. Sean Stone.

[A]

Looking good, Sean. Looking good. Yeah. What is bothering me is Alex is a bit actory. Alex is a bit actuary with the filing cabinet and the hand simultaneously to sort of mitigate the impact of the head on the filing cabinet. Plus at that time, like when I was that age, like when I was like 20 odd, you know, that's When I was at drama school, hanging out with like actory people and like the vibe of them of like the sort of the dramaticness.

[C]

Sure.

[A]

And because you're like making a film and you're filmmakers and your actors acting in a thing about horror around a time where that kind of filmmaking was of delegation.

[D]

Sure, sure. I mean he did get a mild concussion from it. But I mean, I would say that, you know, when people have talked about this with acting too, you open yourself to spirits. And I think that he was of the inclination to basically leave himself wide open to the spirits, you know, to take possession. And you know, people have talked about this in acting before. You've heard this, right? That. Yeah, you can be taken by the spirit of.

[A]

Oh yeah, you're sort of letting yourself go and being sort of open and available. But particularly if you're practicing it sort of, you know, so seriously, like you're sort of. Especially if your shirts are.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Bus. That's how it gets in. Gets invited. Nipples. How could a spirit resist?

[D]

I think, I think, I think it pants or have to be after to let it. I don't think it come in through.

[A]

Can't come in through the area like up. Because I like again like that. So the main thing I have is like, because the medium is the message and the medium is it's a film I'm watching by filmmakers. And like, it's because like you're here and I want to be like, I want to be. I want to be into it. I'd like, you know. But you know how I like when someone does a magic, a close up magic trick. I'm always. I feel like, oh no, I've got, I've got to go through this magic trick now.

[C]

It did feel a shift from like, oh, wow, this could be real. And then when you came in, in the sports coat, I felt like it shifted to a.

[A]

Because also you're going back to the location.

[D]

Yeah, because. Because we literally went from a dinner to just like we were like, we feel called to be. Like we felt called that night. Like we were at dinner and we were just like, the place is calling us, we gotta go. And that's why I was in a sports code. It wasn't like planned, you know, it wasn't.

[A]

Oh, Alex.

[C]

He's the wild card.

[A]

Oh, Alex.

[C]

Still friends with Alex.

[D]

He's around.

[A]

Go ahead. Let's check it out.

[F]

If they're not a man's home without leaving a gift. Do you know that?

[G]

Without leaving a coin for the boatman.

[F]

Do you Remember what I told you the shadow gave me? Do you remember what I told you? The fucking shadow gave me three coins when he came in my room last night. Here, before this whole started.

[G]

Okay?

[F]

Do you understand?

[I]

You?

[G]

Where?

[F]

Where? He left me a gift, dude. How?

[G]

How leave me a gift when Tamar just happened. When his camera started flipping out.

[F]

What you see, Taman? Tamar, what'd you see? Come here.

[G]

Nothing.

[K]

Whole story about the. The priest came back to me.

[F]

What?

[K]

Completely forgot about it. Like it was. Happened years ago until you bought it up today. And then you guys were in there for a while. It just like.

[F]

What was the story? Rubbing my head. What was the story?

[K]

The priests and how he fucking raped those kids and he killed them in the house. And then I remembered Chris before he went insane. And then after he went to that house, he was never the same way again. He went crazy, left school, went to an insane asylum.

[D]

I. I don't know.

[K]

I can't.

[F]

And what did you see? You said the old man was smiling at you.

[K]

Yeah, he was smiling at me. Huge grin on his face. Creep the out of me.

[F]

Okay. What is that? Raquel? What the just happened? Okay, this is the gift. What the fuck is that? Holy water? The message is. The fucking message is gone, dude. It's gone from the phone. It fucking. It was a top. It was a top. Most message. It's fucking gone.

[B]

With all this talk of the supernatural. Let's take a look at Polymarket. Now, they don't have any markets on ghosts, but they do think there's an 83% chance that Trump gives us more info on aliens by the end of the month. Maybe aliens and ghosts are the same thing. Who knows? Bet on that and more at Polymarket.

[G]

Rewind it.

[F]

I think now that the priest in charge was frankly trying to live forever. He was practicing some kind of immortality rite. Through the cannibalism, he could then transcend this earth bounds of this body, creating some kind of double, what we could call poltergeist.

[G]

Okay, you see that smoke?

[F]

That blue?

[G]

It's the same thing. It's a vapor. Okay? Now there's always demons, or jinn, however

[F]

you want to call them.

[G]

And back in the day when they were sorcerers and, you know, magicians and used to hear a lot more stories about that kind of stuff, right?

[I]

Yeah.

[G]

So what this lady told me was. And I used to hear this a lot, but I never used to like, actually never used to sink into my head, but basically is whenever someone does anything bad or you see like a schizophrenic like, remember, went to the asylum, the one in Creedmoor, and you saw the guys talking themselves. You saw the guy going like that. That guy is crazy. But if you actually look deeper, like into his eyes, he's communicating with somebody, right?

[I]

Sure.

[G]

So what they do is they whisper into your ear, who? The jinn, the demons. They're around us right now.

[E]

Sure.

[G]

But if you don't acknowledge them, they're not there. But once they see someone that's weak, right? When your faith is broken, that's when they're strong. So what they would do is they'd speak. They'd start speaking to these people and they'd make them do insane shit, insane stuff. And these guys would get deeper and deeper into it. And then the. The job of the demons is to bring you closer to the devil because the devil feeds on your soul.

[F]

Let me ask you something. When I was initiated to be a Mason, Freemason, this night, I got a telephone call when I was leaving. And my friend who took me there named Alex, he got very sick to his stomach. Look, he's listening again. The fucking demon is listening to me because she knows I'm telling you this, but be careful and just pray, but listen to me. The demon goes, you know, when are you coming home to us? When are you coming home?

[I]

Right?

[F]

And I'm just like, where's home? You know, I kept asking like, which home? Like, where's home? And she wouldn't answer. And then she's like, you know who this is? And then she hung up. Right? It sounded like a little boy and a girl, like somewhere between the two, right?

[I]

Yeah. Hello?

[F]

Did you hear that?

[I]

No. Are you alright?

[F]

Yeah. The demon's listening, but I'm going to tell you the story anyway because it's important, okay? I'm finna. Okay. So the next step was Alex is sick and he's like running back to the apartment. I'm walking on the street and I get a phone call. And this guy goes, hi, Sean, I can see you. I can see you. And I said, okay, what am I doing? You ready? He goes, I can. Hello? Yeah. He said, he said, we can see you. I said, what am I doing? He said, you're walking. And I stopped and I turned around, I flicked him off and I'm like, what am I doing now? And he goes, well, you stopped walking, I swear to God. And then, and then I'm like, okay, I keep walking the street, right? And I get back, and I get back to the apartment. No, he starts saying he's like, ask me a question. And so I asked him. I don't ask him, like, direct question. I asked him like, you know, well, are we friends or enemies? And he's like, I don't answer that. He's like, oh. He said, how was your meeting? Because I just came away from a meeting, right? He goes, how was your meeting? And I was like. And I was like, it's all right. It was good. So I'm like, you've been watching me for how long? Been watching me? He goes, for a long time. And I'm like, so where do I come from? And then he hung up. So I get upstairs, right? And Alex is sick, and he's lying on the floor, and he's like, fucking passed out sick. And I got a phone call, and he goes, why is your friend sick? Okay. Yeah. And I'm like, I don't know. You tell me why. And he just started laughing. And then we kept talking a little bit. And then he started muttering. Oh, he started speaking this weird thing. He's like, he haven't prayed in 18 years and something. It was almost like he was doing an incantation. And then, like, he hung up. And he's like, 40 days. He was like, 40 days in the mountain, like 40 days in the cave. Like all this weird shit. It was biblical. So then he hangs up. And then the girl calls again. And I'm recording the camera. I put the camera on, and the girl goes, you hear me? She goes, oh, you're recording me already? And I'm like. And I'm like, you got a problem with that? She's like, I don't like to be recorded. So I turned off, okay, fine. She's like, I have something to give you to think about. You're wearing a gray shirt with black pants. I've had demons call me and various caliber of voice actually talking to me.

[D]

They're doing a ritual to try to state your claims.

[B]

State your claims.

[F]

I mean, sometimes it sounds like a devil very, you know, just kind of laughing and toying with you. But once, it was actually a really interesting night where the thing was very clear and very, very human. And it was just talking to me and knew exactly what I was doing. I was in my apartment. Who am I talking with? What?

[E]

Oh, John.

[I]

Oh, John.

[H]

I'm so scared.

[I]

John. Oh, John. You'll never believe what's happening.

[F]

Of course, you know it's happening. The funny thing is that you're sitting here calling me. You obviously want to talk, so why don't we just have A conversation. Instead of you complaining and like, what are you blabbering about? Just clarify. You know so much, but obviously you don't know enough. We all serve the same God, we all save the same universe. We're all here for a reason. We're all instruments of God. What? And, and

[I]

you're not.

[F]

I'm not what?

[I]

You're not.

[F]

I'm not what?

[I]

An instrument.

[F]

I'm not an instrument of God?

[I]

No.

[F]

Oh really? Then why would he have created me? I think it's. It's clear. I think it's biblical. Think about the fallen angels in the book of Enoch. The concept that, you know, when Lucifer and the army of the fallen come to Earth, they. They become the so called watchers. They teach. They come to copulate with female women and to teach man the mysteries, to teach him magic, to teach him metallurgy, to teach him the crafts, you know, for warfare and for politics. All the various civilizations of old talk about these gods who give them information for agriculture. Anki for example, or the sun God of the Mayans. And these various cultures, they're all gods, right? So imagine that they're not. It's not about alien or not. It's just something of a higher order, demonic sort, or angelic, perhaps in its positive aspects, but in its negative aspects, it's demonic. And if he's fallen, are separated from God and they are the rulers of this earth, the secret rulers, the shadow rulers. That makes more sense to me in terms of conspiracy because the conspiracy is so far reaching and ongoing. Answer me something. Who do you serve? I feel like I'm listening to a fucking conversation in hell. Hello? Hey, it's 111 somebody. Come on.

[I]

Stop recording.

[F]

Good morning.

[I]

Stop recording.

[F]

Stop recording.

[I]

Why is your friend on the phone scared?

[F]

Wait, who?

[B]

Alex?

[I]

Why are you scared?

[F]

Who? Alex?

[I]

Why?

[F]

Because he knows what you are.

[I]

Stop recording.

[F]

Why not?

[I]

Don't make me give you something to really be scared about.

[F]

Many times when they communicate to me, it's indicating they want my soul. In fact, at one point, one of these guys, he was probably a satanic demon, but basically said, I'm praying for your soul.

[E]

British.

[F]

Dude, look, A Mount Hermon, 33 degrees, its coordinates.

[G]

Isn't that the mount?

[F]

It's global corinth. It's our 3335.

[G]

But isn't that where Armageddon is supposed to take place?

[F]

Mount Hermon, next to Lebanon. Mount Hermon?

[E]

Yeah.

[F]

Think of my surreal. Oh my God. It just said. Okay, John's email just sent me a message that said the fallen will rise in the eyes of God. What does that mean? That the fallen will rise in the eyes of God. Doesn't that mean the phone Want to go home?

[J]

Technical.

[F]

Mesa kabala.

[E]

Yeah, I mean, saheli, as you say,

[F]

If these patients did bring any demons. So let's say that these patients were haunted by shadows. Things from the sort of fourth dimension and beyond, right? If they were. If they had these shadows on them and talking to them as they whisper in your ear. I mean, this is known as the Djinn. You don't really see much of a substance. It's just a vapor. Then these shadows are talking to them. And then these people come, and they're locked inside of a mental hospital. Now, let's say they die there or they leave there and the shadow stays on.

[G]

When they're. When they're inside of you and they start talking to you, you feel above everybody else. No, it's just whispers. It's just whispers. I'm just like, show me. I'm like.

[F]

I want.

[G]

I want to learn.

[E]

Teach me.

[G]

You know, like. Like, what happened here? Explain to you what happened here. I want to become, you know. I want to become one with you. Teach me.

[E]

Teach me.

[G]

Let me. Show me. Show me. Show me. And it's just like. Because when I.

[F]

When I. Because when I touched you. Remember when you kind of. Like after you banged your head and then you kind of passed out and you were lying there and I put my hands on you, I was seeing the labyrinths of corridors. Like, I kept seeing the lab, like, being trapped. It felt like being trapped in corridors. And I said. I said, get your mind out of the labyrinth. Come back. Look at me. And when I said, look at me, you opened your eyes. He wants war.

[H]

They all do.

[I]

Hold on.

[H]

There's more. There's more. And more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more.

[F]

More. What of them? These guys.

[H]

They're. They're ancient practitioners. They're. They're. They're.

[F]

They do magic.

[H]

There's war with something coming. Something coming. There's war with this. This wants this planet.

[F]

He wants this planet.

[H]

This. The law. It wants. It wants all mankind. It's. It's a. I don't know what it is. It wants war. I really don't want to go.

[E]

Room.

[H]

Go ahead.

[G]

Please.

[H]

You know what this is?

[F]

Ask him.

[H]

Connecting to you. What. What is this?

[F]

Ask him what it. Ask What. Ask him who. Ask who he's. Where he's from. Who is he. Identify himself.

[H]

They're here.

[F]

Ask him who he is.

[H]

Who is he? Who are they?

[F]

You can ask them.

[H]

They've got pale faces.

[F]

Don't be afraid.

[I]

Come here for a reason.

[F]

Why did they bring me here?

[H]

They. They. They want this.

[F]

What's this?

[I]

Or that.

[H]

This plane or this earth plane. I mean, it's. They're not human. I don't like it. If this is at Grayson. I don't. Or if this is just what's around. It's really making me nervous.

[F]

I think you should. If you want. You can stay. I think they want me. That's why they had to.

[H]

Do you know this?

[F]

They don't scare me.

[H]

No. But do you know this?

[E]

Yes.

[F]

I have seen the face of the old man. Is he an old man?

[H]

Yes.

[F]

Does he have a weird smile?

[H]

Yes.

[F]

Does he have a gap between his teeth?

[H]

I don't see.

[F]

He has sharp teeth.

[H]

I see the triangle on the head. But he's old.

[F]

An old man, right?

[H]

Yes.

[F]

He looks like a priest. Like a father with a hood.

[H]

But it starts up here and it bleeds down like the triangle.

[F]

That's okay. Well, they called you to. They asked you to call me for a reason, right? They told you they could meet. They wanted you to bring me here. It's good.

[I]

It's okay.

[H]

No, no. I don't want you going in there.

[F]

It's okay.

[I]

It's okay.

[F]

It's all. Let's go find out.

[H]

Because they're old.

[F]

What does a Native American woman want? Is she the old lady? She's the old lady that lives in Greystone.

[H]

Yes.

[F]

What is she?

[H]

She wants her land back. She wants everybody out of there.

[F]

That's her place, right?

[H]

Yes.

[F]

That's her land?

[E]

Yes.

[F]

So we can work with her.

[I]

Yeah.

[F]

Never been in here before.

[E]

Those who should be free. I free.

[A]

There's only love here.

[C]

Municipal.

[J]

And. From the chapel right there.

[I]

Yep.

[E]

See that? Yep. You see him?

[I]

Yep.

[E]

What's he saying?

[J]

He's daring us to approach. He says I run this place. I don't care what she says. You will not be safe in here.

[E]

Within this circle, we are protected. Within this circle, we are going to anoint this house. Complete our job. The journey will be complete. Spirits of the four winds, guide us.

[F]

Be with us.

[E]

Now we're going to light candles and bless this place.

[F]

And know this is God's house.

[E]

And God sorts of self here.

[J]

Go home. That same army that was attacking us last time?

[E]

Yeah.

[J]

Totally different attitude, man. Well, I don't know about protecting, but they're lined up on the right and left. And they're chattering, they're talking with each other and observing us. They're not trying to attack anymore.

[E]

Any last words?

[J]

Shannon?

[E]

I'll tell you when I get home. There's a lot of pain that has to be expressed. But now's the time. Now's the time to let the light shine and know that the darkness will

[F]

always fear the light.

[A]

I remember any of this.

[G]

I just remember you guys being. I remember waking up in the car,

[A]

so I was really, really tired.

[G]

And you guys are all looking at me. Yeah, you were driving, looking at me.

[F]

If it's impossible. But that's the whole point is you're dealing with something beyond our understanding of possibility. Dealing with something in the spirit realm. It doesn't make no human sense. It's supernatural.

[A]

In Italy now, in the Church, what

[F]

they're seeing that what's happening in Italy

[A]

today, they claim that they saw evils.

[F]

The ghosts who did the Pope. You saw the demons today. You say don't lose your mind, but actually what happens is you can lose your mind temporarily. If you lose your soul, you can be destroyed by that. The darkness inside there. Dude, why'd you have to call me right now?

[I]

Sean? Goddamn. And I plus sleep foreign.

[A]

Yeah, I really. I liked. I like the end. I like the psychic. I like her. She was intense. She was really good. Who's the person that's saying about the gates and the portals?

[D]

That's the. The Jingir. The guy in Persian in Iran.

[A]

So that's. You're using audio from that conversation there over the stuff.

[D]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

I really. I really enjoyed it. And it's really got sort of a very. Is creepy as. And I think it's a sort of a good welding together of the like so scripture as well as different folkloric ideas of evil and present and accessible entities and a kind of contemporary attempt to demonstrate it. It's. I really. I really, really. I think I've really enjoyed it. And we've never, I don't think ever watched that. We've never through any one of our watch alongs really. Yeah, not because of power cuts either, normally. Because we're like, I get the idea. Yeah, we get it.

[C]

Laughing before it starts and then we just let it play. And that was very good, man.

[A]

Yeah, well done, man. Also, how. How old were you when you made that? 20. Your early 20s?

[D]

20, like what, like 24, 25?

[A]

Yeah. You're like a kid.

[B]

I mean it goes.

[A]

It goes on for a few years as though, doesn't it? As well. Because it's got the, like. It encompasses the period of production while you're making Greystone a scripted movie on location, scouts, you go to various creepy locations and weird stuff happens and you're in at a weird point in your life because you're on a spiritual journey.

[D]

Well, that, that start the spiritual journey was a repercussion of those places. It was like, you know, you got to have faith, otherwise you're going to go crazy. That was, that was the lesson.

[A]

Well, that is it. And it. Because if you want, you can stay on the tracks of, okay, I'm just going to live this prescribed life and I'm going to stay within these limitations and maybe you'll get through. There's still going. There's going to be grief and heartbreak and whatever things might befall any normal person's life. But if you start venturing off of the safe terrain and into the mysterious and the supernatural and the paranormal. If you do that were many times watching that where I felt I. I want Christ, I want Christ. And it's interesting how you started to, you know, even like it started off to talk about God. And I like the investigation because one of the questions I asked since coming to him is what? Like, how can it be that this Mesopotamian hermeneutic from a particular geographic region cannot. And that says things like, I'm the alpha and the omega, I'm the beginning, the end, I'm all things. It can't be exhaustive when it comes to chronicling supernatural activity on earth, I. E. When the Upanishads and the Vedas and. And the. The Arabian writings about gin or wherever there's folklore, whenever people are trying to tackle. There's a sense of life that's extra sensory. That's actually one of the things like about becoming a Christian that sort of surpr me is the engagement with the supernatural. Because I think like say even Roman Catholicism with all of its sort of over acknowledgment of saints and deities and demons. It's still like the tradition anchors it with sort of American Protestantism. The culture anchors it. It feels sort of like very righteous gemstones in a lot of places, very commodified, very commercial. It doesn't feel, it doesn't feel like we're. And then. But the trouble is, and I think your film in a sense

[B]

has the.

[A]

That ambiguity that comes from it is when you actually get near it, like when you get near to trying to say this is the mystery, that people will go, no, no, I'm not, I'm not. Willing to go that far or. No, not like that. It wouldn't be like that. It'd be like this. People can't. Because it is ineffable and it's difficult and it's ambiguous by its nature.

[D]

Or they. Or they get the mentality, like, oh, that's. You know, it's demonic to even, like, go into that realm. And it's like, depends on your intention. I mean, I think that we did a good job because both those places got destroyed. I mean, I think we blessed the house and that's why it burned down. And the gravestone, likewise, when we blessed it, it got taken down. So to me, that's what you're supposed to do with. You're supposed to clear the energy of a place that's. That's trapping dark energy, you know, and let it free.

[A]

Yeah, that's. It's interesting because, like, we're starting to see what. I think we're starting to see some of the. The, as I said, the interstitial material between something that seems so old and ancient and cosmic and far away. Like, literally demons and light beings falling from heaven to earth to a. Hey, what the fuck's going on in these institutions? What's going on with men, little people,

[D]

you know, institutions about. Institutions of power. Government. Yeah, that cult, you know, that cult power. That whole, like, you know, the nature of the Masonic gridding of D.C. and the broadcasting of power, you know, and how it's like, ritualistic stuff is probably going on in D.C. from my understanding. Of course it is not. So it's like, yeah, there's.

[A]

I'm, like, I'm around the actual. Sort of one of the interfaces of actual power, the legal system and the judiciary. You go in those spaces, it's a court. It's mysterious as. I mean, there's literal sort of like shields with lions and unicorns on them, you know, and people are.

[D]

They wear wigs, robes and wigs.

[A]

It's like there's an attempt to sort of. In a sense, you can't make any claim for power unless you also make a claim for a sort of a kind of invisible order. Like, what is. You know, why can't I just, in the middle of a record coach, just wander off and go, I don't acknowledge any of this.

[C]

Off.

[B]

You know what I mean?

[A]

Like, telling me, no, we've written down this thing. We've done the spell. Put your hand on the Bible.

[D]

That's the point. It is a spell. It is. It is maritime law, commercial law, that they're transacting in with the All Caps name. And you're going into their domain. Right, as the commercial entity. And that's why you're not an agent of yourself. You need the lawyer to represent you.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

You are not in control. But if you recognize that you are the spirit, you are the spirit, not the corporate entity. Right. This is the way to start thinking about reality. Like, there's the corporate self, which is the game of Monopoly that we can all play. But that's not me. You know that All Caps name is not me. Right. That's the corporate identity.

[A]

Yeah, that's right. It by its nature, though, I think when you start to. I guess that's where a tradition and a church and law one might call it. And. And I guess as you sort of continue to refer to and return to in your. In your. In your film, Love and Light, you know, if there isn't something that you're being guided by when you're in that, like. In fact, that's one of the ideas of St. John of the Cross that I just read that. No neutrality. Either you are in God or you are available. You're available. And when you look at it in this of like, some of the nomenclature of your film, Gin and Spirits, like, you're a sort of a body. You're a body of like, potential energy. You're a vessel.

[D]

It could be who's taking ownership of the vessel.

[A]

It's good, mate. It's good filmmaking. Well, thank you very much. Let us know what you think in comments and chat. Thank you very much for joining us for this watch. I feel like it could be like a really big sort of successful movie. Like, I'd really like it.

[D]

I just want to get it out to the widest audience possible. And I think I'll just make it available for free. Honestly. I'm gonna work with Mickey Willis, you know, who did the plandemic stuff.

[H]

Yeah.

[A]

He's your friend.

[D]

Right. And just let people have it. Let them. Let them have at it. Let them laugh or say no. I know I've had these experiences. I know this is real because I've lived it myself. You know, I think you gotta just. You have to have your own intuition about it.

[A]

It's good that you're working with Mickey. Is it available now? Is there a link that will be up here or by the time we put this out?

[D]

Exactly. We'll. We'll coordinate that.

[A]

Nice one. All right, thanks, mate.

[D]

Yeah, of course.

[A]

It's good that we're hanging out.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

And the power cuts that was. That's some creepy shit, Jake.

[C]

I've never had that happen before. And I'm saying this as a normal person, so if you can't trust Russell,

[D]

hey, can trust Jake.

[A]

Trust Jake.

[C]

But it did happen.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

All right, I'm stopping the recording.