Culture, Comfort, and Christianity with David Platt

Summary

Stay True with Madison Prewett Troutt

Episode: Culture, Comfort, and Christianity with David Platt
Date: November 3, 2025
Guest: David Platt
Location: Museum of the Bible, Washington, DC

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Episode Overview

In this deep, heartfelt conversation, Madison Prewett Troutt, joined by her husband Grant and pastor/author David Platt, tackles the urgent topic of what it means to truly “stay true” to Jesus amidst American prosperity, comfort, and cultural Christianity. Reflecting on scripture, personal testimony, and global perspectives, the episode challenges listeners to examine their faith, lift their eyes above cultural norms, and courageously follow Christ with surrender and authenticity. The conversation is honest, raw, and peppered with both conviction and encouragement, culminating in a powerful invitation and prayer for true lordship in the life of the listener.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Temptation of Cultural Christianity & the “American Gospel”

(00:00–00:32, 30:35–36:05)

• Madison: Opens with the core question: “What is the difference between American Gospel and the true Bible gospel?”
  • She and Grant share their struggle with living in American comfort while wanting to be radically obedient to Jesus, not just wearing a “Christian spin on the American dream.”
• David Platt:
  • Observes that in America, it’s easy to have a “comfortable, cultural Christianity” where faith blends with consumerism, materialism, or self-fulfillment.
  • Stresses the American gospel often boils down to “Come to Jesus to get ____”—blessings, comfort, prosperity—contrasted to the biblical gospel: “We come to Jesus to get Jesus.”
  • Warns, “If we’re not careful, we can coast through a Christian life and miss out on all that we just talked about...there’s no way you can believe that He is Lord and then live like you’re Lord.” (72:09)
• Quote:
  • “American gospel has come to Jesus to get—fill in the blank...But the reality is we come to Jesus to get Jesus. He’s the goal. We come to God to get God.”
    — David Platt (31:35)

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The Call to Radical Discipleship & Sacrifice

(08:36–10:27, 21:15–22:57, 25:19–27:58)

• David Platt: Shares the foundational questions he wrestled with:
  • "Do I actually believe this word? ...If I do, then my life needs to look radically different."
  • Affirms that radical, sacrificial faith is not extraordinary — it’s normal, biblical Christianity: “Some people have said you should have titled [Radical] ‘Normal’...because this is normal.” (09:34)
  • Illustrates with the Parable of the Hidden Treasure (Matthew 13): “He sells everything he has, with gladness...because he knows he’s found something worth losing everything for.” (21:50)
• Grant: Reflects, “If you were to just say, Grant, what lane of Christianity do you run in? It’s stuff from this book [Radical]—I want to lose my whole life to follow Jesus, which is the only lane of Christianity there is.” (08:06)
• Quote:
  • “He is literally better than everything this world has put together...if we believe that, then we live very different lives in this world.”
    — David Platt (22:43)

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The Lordship of Christ: Surrender, Abide, Rest

(37:38–39:33)

• David Platt:

  • Reiterates the daily struggle between wanting to glorify Jesus and also being liked or applauded by people.
  • Shares that the real fruit in his ministry and growth came by fighting to “surrender daily,” “abide” in Jesus, and “rest” in His will.
  • Urges daily time alone with the Lord as absolutely non-negotiable: “I cannot live without time alone with the Lord in the morning. I can’t…I need Psalm 27, time in the Word, just in prayer, nobody around, just seeking Him.” (38:08)

• Three Bedrock Words:

  1. Surrender – Daily, honest yielding of self and resources.
  2. Abide – Walk faithfully in what you know to do: seek Him, obey His word, run from sin, love others.
  3. Rest – Confidently trust that “He wants His will to be accomplished in my life more than I do.”

• Quote:

  • “Surrender, abide, rest—and do all that in community with other brothers and sisters…who can help you see things that you don’t see.”
    — David Platt (39:34)

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Gospel Stewardship in Privilege, Success, and Platform

(43:37–45:10, 66:49–69:58)

• Maddie & Grant: Ask practical questions about how to handle platform, finances, influence: “God, what truly pleases you, like, what actually honors you? Because we want that. Whatever that is, we want that.” (67:18)

• David Platt:

  • Encourages believers with privilege/platform to constantly keep everything “on the table” before God and honestly evaluate stewardship.
  • Suggests establishing a “level of contentment” in material things and freeing everything above that to give away — “live simply, give sacrificially.”
  • Warns against comparing to cultural norms: “You’re not called to live here. You’re called to live up here.” (69:59)

• Quote:

  • “There needs to be followers of Jesus in Brentwood, Tennessee. There needs to be followers of Jesus in nice suburbs of northern Virginia...”
    — David Platt (67:22)

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Danger of Comfortable, Cultural Christianity and False Assurance

(61:20–74:58)

• Maddie: Raises “wake up call” about Matthew 7:21-23 (“Many will say, ‘Lord, Lord…’”): “There might be…a lot of us are missing it. There’s a good chance a lot of us are confused about what it looks like to actually follow Jesus.” (63:02)
• David Platt:
  • Emphasizes repentance and ongoing examination: “I just want to know you truly, Lord. Please help me not create a version of you that’s not true, that looks a lot like me.” (67:36)
  • Warns against equating church attendance or a past prayer with true salvation. True faith is surrender to Jesus as Lord, not just a “one-time prayer."
  • “To be a follower of Jesus is not to do X, it’s to trust Jesus as Lord...There’s no way to believe He is Lord and then live like you’re Lord.” (72:09)

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Global Perspective: Stories from the Persecuted Church

(42:37–45:10)

• David Platt:
  • Shares about believers in Bangladesh who regularly budget for hospital and funeral expenses due to the cost of following Jesus—driving home the true stakes of discipleship beyond American comfort.
  • Urges U.S. Christians to learn about, pray for, and be encouraged by stories of believers overseas: “I don’t walk away from those times full of myself…I have so much to learn from the body of Christ around the world.” (44:05)
  • Challenges: “Make sure we don’t get caught up in the bubble that Christianity looks like everything right around me. Because it doesn’t.” (45:06)

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Suffering, Joy, and True Life in Christ

(51:29–61:20)

• Maddie & Grant: Reflect on suffering, hardships, public criticism, and the refining impact these have had on their faith and perspective.
• David Platt:
  • Encourages: “Don’t be surprised...When you start sharing the gospel, it’s going to get harder. There’s an adversary who doesn’t want the gospel to go forward...But rejoice—your reward is in heaven.” (51:29)
  • Testifies to God’s presence in suffering: “In one of these really hard seasons...I can truly say I know God more, love God more, trust Him more...So if He’s the goal, then these are great days.” (56:58)

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Memorable Moments & Notable Quotes

• On memorizing Scripture:
  • “I just want people to see the power of straight God’s word in a way that they go for it and start hiding it in their heart.”
    — David Platt (04:04–05:09)
• On living for Jesus, not applause:
  • “True contentment, life, joy is found in the delight of doing good works, doing that which is good, and being seen and known by God alone.” (54:49)
• On the ultimacy of Jesus:
  • “He is so worthy of your life. And He desires life for you forever that nothing in this world can compare with. If you’ll trust Him—whether that’s for the first time or maybe in a fresh way…”
    — David Platt (76:38)
• Grant: “There’s one prayer that’s like, ‘Hey, God, you know…’ but it’s almost this prayer of like, ‘But deal with them.’ But then there’s another prayer when you’re actually broken and you would love them and want to hug them who have said those things. …You get really humble before God and you get meek...These are good things.” (56:24)

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Actionable Points & Encouragements

• Daily surrender and time with God is non-negotiable for real discipleship.
• Question frequently: Is Jesus just Savior, or truly Lord in every area—relationships, resources, ambitions, platform?
• Live simply and seek to radically steward resources for the Kingdom; resist comparison to common cultural Christianity.
• Repentance is for every day, not just a one-time event; keep putting “all on the table” before God.
• Learn about and pray for persecuted believers; let their stories anchor perspective and passion.
• Don’t be surprised by opposition, criticism, or suffering—they are normal and even necessary for intimacy with Jesus.
• Remember: “He is so worthy. He is worth losing all of this for because of how good He is.” (80:55)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Opening—What is the American Gospel? (00:00–02:30)
• Memorizing Scripture and Loving the Word (03:31–05:50)
• Personal Testimony: Calling and Missional Perspective (14:27–21:14)
• Radical Sacrifice and the “Rich Young Ruler” (21:15–22:57)
• Is Jesus Lord of Your Life? (27:58–31:03)
• Difference between American and Biblical Gospel (31:03–36:05)
• Practical Obedience: Surrender, Abide, Rest (37:38–42:30)
• Global Church Perspective: Bangladesh (42:30–45:10)
• Suffering, Criticism, and Purity of Heart (51:29–59:33)
• Call to Repentance, True Discipleship, and Avoiding Comfortable Christianity (61:20–74:58)
• Invitation and Closing Prayer (76:38–80:55)

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Closing: Invitation & Prayer

David Platt (76:38):
“Jesus, you are Lord. Just say that in our hearts…maybe for the first time, to say that. Jesus, I believe you died on the cross for my sins. I believe you rose from the dead for me to have life in you. And today, I repent. I turn from my sin and myself. And I trust in you as Savior and Lord of my life…help us to abide in your love, to walk in your love, to seek you, not as a means to an end, but as the end…”

Madison (80:55):
“We talked a lot about, like, dying to yourself…but also just the reminder that He is so worthy, He is so good, He is worth losing all of this for because of how good He is...He is where the joy is.”

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Further Resources

• David Platt’s books: Radical, Follow Me, How to Read the Bible, etc.
• Episode links, recommended booklists, and ways to learn more about global missions.

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This episode is a must-listen for any Christian ready to move beyond a comfortable or cultural faith and embrace a life of costly, joyful, surrendered discipleship to Jesus.

Transcript

[Maddie Pruitt Trout]

What is the difference between American Gospel and the true Bible gospel?

[David Platt]

You're not called to live here. You're called to live up here.

[Maddie Pruitt Trout]

How do we come against this, like, pull to fall into comfortable cultural Christianity?

[David Platt]

So there's a type of person who is zealous for the spread of God's glory in all the nations, but who doesn't become a missionary? Oh, yeah, of course. It's called a Christian.

[Grant]

Is he actually worth losing everything for?

[David Platt]

American gospel has come to Jesus to get in the blank, but the reality is we come to Jesus to get Jesus.

[Maddie Pruitt Trout]

God, what truly pleases you, like, what actually pleases you and honors you, because we want that.

[David Platt]

Is he enough for us? Is he the one we really want? And is that evident in our lives? I was just gonna self publish it. We were just gonna publish it, like, for people in our church. I've joked, like, if I'd have known that many people were gonna read it, I probably would have read it through a few foreign.

[Maddie Pruitt Trout]

What's up, guys? Welcome back to another episode of Stay True podcast. I'm your host, Madison Pruitt Trout, and I'm here with very, very special people next to me. And we are in a very special place. This truly feels like a dream come true because we are sitting in the Museum of the Bible right now. And I can't think of a better place, truly, to record a podcast talking all about truth and Jesus than being in the Museum of the Bible in Washington, dc. And so thank you, Jes. And we're so excited and honored to be here. I got my husband next to me. And we also want to welcome to Stay True podcast David Platt.

[David Platt]

Yes.

[Maddie Pruitt Trout]

This guy, he is impacted. I mean, we're gonna get into it, but he's impacted Grant and I so much. And you have written books, you have spoken at places, you have ministries that are impacting the globe, but you have impacted Grant and I so much. And I actually just, with one of my best friends, finish your book, follow me, and have next to me radical. And so we've just, yeah, been such admirers of the way that God moves in you and moves through you, the way you love your family, the way you love Jesus, the way you love people. So truly, so honored that you're on Stay True podcast.

[David Platt]

So honored.

[Maddie Pruitt Trout]

Thank you.

[David Platt]

Honor is totally mine. And yeah, all you just said, like, wow, I know myself and I know, yeah, every good and perfect gift comes from him. So just so thankful for his grace. But anyway, praise God for you guys for what God's doing in and through you guys. So, yes, I've been looking forward to this conversation for sure.

[Grant]

Amazing.

[Maddie Pruitt Trout]

Well, thanks for coming on. I remember the first time I ever saw you, actually, and I had, I think, heard of you, but the first time I ever saw you was at Passion Conference. This was, what, two years ago maybe in Dallas? The one in Dallas three years ago. And I remember you get up on stage, and I mean, it had been such a powerful, like, weekend. And you get on stage and you quote all of roman. Well, Romans 1 through 8, I believe, or maybe more than that. And I was sitting there. I mean, I was. I opened my Bible. I'm following he's word for word, the book of Romans. And I'm just like, chapters. This is. This is unbelievable that you have an opportunity to show off this eloquent speech and this incredible crafted sermon that you could put together for people to say, wow, David Platt. And instead, you stepped up on the stage and you just spoke scripture, and you showed the importance of meditating on and memorizing the word of God. And I left so convicted. And since then, I've actually challenged my team, and we've memorized the book of James.

[David Platt]

So good.

[Maddie Pruitt Trout]

And. But I did one chapter in Romans, and I will say it was Romans 8. I will say that one chapter was harder than the whole book of James. Paul, he's just a. He's a different beast. But I.

[David Platt]

Well, that chapter's a beast. It's awesome, though. It's like one of the greatest. I mean, they're all.

[Maddie Pruitt Trout]

It's so good.

[David Platt]

God inspired. But that's an amazing chapter.

[Maddie Pruitt Trout]

But you. You inspired me in just the way. And you have a new book out, how to Read the Bible, which I'm. I'm excited to. To read that and maybe even talk about it a little bit too on this episode. But I was so inspired. I'm like, I want to go memorize the Bible.

[David Platt]

So good. Well, that's. That's encouraging. Like, that's what. That's what did it for me. It was a guy. When I was in high school, I was at, like, a camp, and this guy was leading musical worship. He just puts down the guitar at one point. He's like, I just want to encourage you guys. And he quoted, like, a chapter from Philippians. And I just remember sitting there like, whoa. I'd never heard anybody, like, quote the Bible like that. And just the power of God's word, just straight God's word. And I was like, oh, man, I want to know God's word like that. And A brother, older brother in Christ pulled me aside and he was like, david, if you want to see God move in mighty ways in and through your life, this. This word's got to flow from you. And so, yeah, that marked me. So I always. I always kind of, yeah, I struggle, like, when I'm. I just don't know how that's going to be taken when I'm standing on a stage doing that. I just want people to see the power of straight God's word in a way that they go for it and start hiding it in their heart. So that's so encouraging to me. That's the goal.

[Maddie Pruitt Trout]

And when your heart's pure and it's just the word of God, I mean, it's up to them how they want to receive it. But most of the people are going to be so one. I mean, what does God's word do? It pierces through. I mean, it's like it's going to pierce hearts, but also like, it leaves everyone so challenged of Psalm 1 Joshua 1 being so true of when you meditate on Scripture, you will be blessed in what you do. That doesn't mean blessed in all these materialistic things, but blessed in the things that really matter. And we've even seen that so much in our life, how it's. I mean, he would say, he's like, man, since you started memorizing chunks of Scripture, he's like, I don't even recognize you so good. He's like, thank you, Lord, for your word. James 3. Set a trap over my. My tongue, Lord. So it's. It's been really cool.

[Grant]

I remember because you started with Ezra that was saying that he just opened up the Word and it was like a fourth of the day. He read yes, and. And it said. They started to just cheer. And I remember during parts of your chapters, people would get up and they would say these little parts that they knew. And I just mean it turned into a worship session. And that's what the word of God does, that it's enough. It's enough to just open it up and speak it and that be the sermon.

[David Platt]

Yes.

[Grant]

And so, so honored. I want to say something really quick before we dive in. I told Maddie I got saved in 2018. Radical transformation, not following Jesus at all. Encounter Jesus. And I'm just whole different person. I'm a whole new creation, as the Bible says. And I'm going on YouTube, Early Believer Life. And I'm just trying to figure out who do I. And David platt, sermon jam, 9 minutes and 54 seconds.

[David Platt]

Sermon jam.

[Grant]

And I click it. And I made Maddie listen to it this morning because I probably listened to it a whole hundred times, and it's probably early years when you were in Alabama, but it was just talking about, if there's this many people in the world and this book is true, then that leaves four point something billion people that are on a road to an eternal hell. Therefore, we don't have time to play games with our lives. And you commissioned the American gospel to not be okay anymore. And so we listened to that this morning. And Maddie always asks me. She's like, grant, who do you look up to? Who would you want to be when you grow up? And there's two people, I always say. I say, Francis Chan and David Platt. Because I said, when they speak, you know what they speak about? They go, hey, last week I was in the mountains of wherever in this village, and I was like, they're not just speaking eloquently, and they're not just saying a good sermon. They're speaking about what they've been doing, and you've gotten your hands and feet dirty. And there's something about that that's so admirable that we look up to you from afar and are so honored by what you've done. And one of the first books I ever read was radical, and it marked me. It marked. If you were to just say, grant, what lane of Christianity do you run in? It's stuff from this book that is like, I want to lose my whole life to. To follow Jesus, which is the only lane of Christianity there is. But it's what we want to talk about is there seem to be these other lanes we've become okay with, have said. I believe what the Bible says.

[David Platt]

It's.

[Grant]

It's this lane, or there's no lane. And so I just wanted to say that we're so honored, and I. I look up to you from afar a ton, bro.

[David Platt]

Yeah, man. That's really humbling, bro.

[Grant]

Yeah.

[David Platt]

Oh, praise God. Like, it's just his word, right? That's the whole beauty of what we're talking about. Like, it's just his word. And. And even, yeah, I think about my own life. Like, there was a point for me when it was just like a crisis of belief. Like, do I actually believe this word? Because if I believe what God's word is saying, that my life should, like, a nice, comfortable Christian spin on the American dream just doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. So do I actually believe this word? And if I do, then that My life needs to look radically different. So anyway, that's what in even mentioning Francis, who I love Francis. And I think both of us, when we've written things, we've. We're not writing anything new. It's just what we all are. Like, yeah, of course, like, yes, of course it costs to follow Jesus. Yes.

[Grant]

Yeah.

[David Platt]

He did tell us to deny ourselves daily, take up a cross and follow him. Like, this is what it means to follow Jesus. And so it's not like it's anything new, but it is. Some people have said like about that book, they're like, oh, you should have titled it Normal because this is normally wasn't me. I'm like, okay, it wouldn't have sold like a door. Well, and honestly, like, I wrote the book, like I was just going to self publish it. We were just going to publish it, like for people in our church at that time in Birmingham, just so they, like new members would come. We were doing things different and then it got into some hands and then, and I'd like I've joked, like, if I'd have known that people were going to read it, I'd probably would have read it through a few more times. But, but anyway, I do think so, yes, it's normal following Jesus, but if we're normally following Jesus, it's going to look radically cool. Everybody else around us in this world, like, we're just not going to blend in.

[Maddie Pruitt Trout]

Yeah.

[David Platt]

And so anyway, so well, praise God for the fruit of his word and praise God, your life. Praise God and your story and you guys lives and always brought you together what you're doing to. Yeah. Spread truth. Like, yes. So, yeah.

[Maddie Pruitt Trout]

Surprise. I have really exciting news. Stay True podcast is going live. Mark your calendars for Saturday, November 8th at Rocket Town in Nashville, Tennessee. It is going to be an incredible night filled with worship, special guests, and yes, a live recording of the Stay True podcast right in the room with you. I have been wanting to do this for so long and I'm truly so excited to see how the Lord is going to move. This is more than just a podcast event. It is a night to gather, talk about God's truth, worship, be a part of something bigger than yourself, and dive deep into conversations that matter. I cannot wait to see so many of your faces, meet you in person and experience this night together. So grab your friends, get your tickets with the link in my bio, and join me in Nashville on November 8th for Stay True Podcast Live. I'll see you guys there.

[David Platt]

What a joy. Are we going to be a Part of this.

[Grant]

Can we just keep speaking of. We're not asking any questions, we're just speaking.

[Maddie Pruitt Trout]

We have actually so many questions because we, we read these, but like, we read these books and we're left. I mean, as, you know, teachers of the Bible and as followers of Jesus, like, we are shook to our core and challenged to live more radical and to have like, our salvation with fear and trembling of God. Are we living a life that pleases you? Are we the talents you've entrusted to us, like, what are we doing with those talents? Are we burying them? Are we using them for selfish purposes? Like, we want to steward everything you've in front of us with just such fear of the Lord and like, dedication to you. And it's, it's, it's interesting because, and I don't know how much we've even talked about this on, on my podcast, but, like, we've been dealt the world standards. Like the world would see, okay, platform, some money, like, you guys have it made. And I would even say by the word, when I read the word, it's like we've actually been dealt a really hard hand and a bad hand. Because when I read this, like, upside down kingdom that everything is so flipped and I study, you know, James, and it's like, weep, you rich people more than oil because of the misery that is coming on you and how we are to like, die to ourself and to not have any treasures in this world, but all of our treasures be in heaven. We are just constantly like, what does it look like to live radical? We want that, to be even a pillar of our family, of just radical faith, radical obedience to follow Jesus, whatever the cost. And I love what you talk about in your books of like, sure, it's a cost, but it's actually, it's, it's everything you were made for. And he, what you say is he's worth losing everything for, because when you give up the things of this world to get to get him, you gain everything. You gain everything you were made for. And so we are just encouraged by you and would love for those maybe who I have, I would say a very wide audience of people through my experience with reality TV in the past and then also now getting to talk about faith in Jesus and truth all the time. I have a wide audience. I would love for them to hear a little bit more of your testimony and how you got to being a pastor at what, 27 in Birmingham, Alabama, Which I think we were in Birmingham at the same time. I lived in Birmingham, you Were there.

[Grant]

During that time and didn't go to your church.

[David Platt]

That's totally cool.

[Grant]

Wow.

[David Platt]

There's not a shortage of churches in Birmingham, Alabama. There's so many. By God's grace. There's a lot of good churches at Highlands. Okay. Oh, that's great. All right.

[Maddie Pruitt Trout]

Yeah, so it was. And then I think we were there around the same time, or maybe I got there a little shortly after you left. But, yeah, I'd love to just hear what led you to that moment, to writing, you know, books like this. And have you always had this fiery, radical faith or what kind of started that for you?

[David Platt]

So I'm going to start at birth, but this is not. It's not going to be really long. I'm going to try to not, like, make it really long. And then when I was 4, 6. But just the fact that I was born into a family where I heard the gospel since the day I was born, like, that's overwhelming to me. Like, I had nothing to do with where I was born. There's 3 billion people in the world who have little to no knowledge of the gospel right now. Why was I not born in a remote place where the gospel's not even come? Like, that's just pure grace. I don't know any other explanation for that. And so, I mean, you've mentioned earlier just that word stewardship. Like, whoa, okay. I can't explain why I have been, like, immersed in the gospel ever since I was born. I don't know why apart from grace, but I know that that is not intended to stop me. And so, like, I need to steward this grace that God's given me. So, yeah, had a great home church growing up, and people who poured the gospel into me, like, disciple making, just. I could just go through a list of a handful of particularly men who poured the gospel into me that my life is the fruit of their lives. I mean, this is. This is what Jesus told us to do. And so, yeah, so I. One of those men was a student minister. And so when I was. When I was in eighth grade, he gave me my first opportunity to preach. And eighth grade, well, that's probably not wise.

[Maddie Pruitt Trout]

I'm like, what were you dabbling in?

[Grant]

Yeah, I was on the playground, man, stealing Pokemon cards.

[David Platt]

Well, we had, like, a youth service. So quick story. We had a youth service. So it was just like. It was about a hundred other teenagers. And I could preach on any text I wanted to. I chose Revelation 3, which is like, he went in. I was gonna say lukewarm, lay on a You out of my mouth. I go up, I stand in front of everybody. Before I said anything, I, I had a water bottle with me. I took a sip. No. And I, I spit it out on the front row. And I was like, that's what God thinks of you if you're lukewarm. And so it was kind of. There was a little, I think, yeah, well. And thankfully, a brother to come alongside be like, okay, all right. Maybe that's not the best way to start every sermon. So, so. But it was like, I did, I loved, I did, I loved studying the Word. Like, I don't know how many hours I spent, like, studying that passage. And so zeal to do that. And so then I knew, okay, I want to teach this word, I want to spread this word. But college in particular, that's when I remember a distinct moment. I was sitting in this breakout session at a conference. And this guy, it was a small breakout, probably 10 people in the room. He, Jeff Lewis, he started in Genesis and he walked from Genesis to Revelation. And he just showed God's passion for his glory in all nations. Like, all over Scripture. Like, this is a God centered book. Everything God does revolves around him. And if that rubs you wrong, that God lives to exalt himself, well, who else would you rather him exalt? He's God. This everything is about him. That's what makes him God. The beauty is he loves us. He's designed a way for us to be restored, to have life in him. And the whole book ends like, he's designed all history to end with every nation, tribe, tongue, and people gathered around his throne giving him praise. That's the purpose of the world. That's the purpose of God. That's the purpose of your life. And I just remember my jaw on the ground like, whoa. Because I'd grown up in church, but I'd never. Maybe, maybe I'd heard this, but I, I had. It hadn't clicked with me. Whoa. Okay. My life must be about, like. And this is where life is found. Living for the spread of God's glory in all the nations. Okay, Well, I thought that meant I should be a missionary. And so Heather and I got married right after college. And then we're at seminary and we're like thinking we're going to go be a missionary. And then this guy who led an international mission organization at that time came to our campus. I took him, I was asked to take him to breakfast. So I told Heather, I was like, I'm going to tell him, we're ready to Move overseas. Is that okay with you? She was like, it's okay with me. Let's go for it. So I go off to breakfast. I sit down, I share. I see this in God's word. We see the need in the world. We're ready to go. And he looks back at me, and he, like, encouraged me for about 60 seconds of what I just said, and then he spent the rest of breakfast talking to me about the need for pastors to lead churches where the gospel has gone for the spread of the gospel, where it hasn't gone. Like, to mobilize the resources of the church to take the gospel to the ends of the earth. And I was so confused. Like, I. I went home. Heather was like, how to go? And I'm like, I think this leader of this missions organization just talked me out of becoming a missionary. And I was. She was kind of disappointed. I was. I was like, did I blow the interview? Like, what happened? Did I let her. But I'm so thankful for that conversation that day because it put a category in my mind that wasn't there before that. So there's a type of person who is zealous for the spread of God's glory in all the nations, but who doesn't become a missionary. And I was like, oh, yeah, of course. It's called a Christian. Like, where do we get the idea that zeal for God's glory in the world is for a few people who go off and do, like, extreme things? This is for every follower of Jesus. Like, do you have the spirit of Jesus in you? Then you want the nations for Jesus. The spirit wants the nations for Jesus. Like, and is zealous, like, passionate about that. And it's going to play out in all kinds of different ways in our lives. Obviously, not everybody's supposed to pastor. Everybody's not supposed to move overseas, but every follower of Jesus is living for the spread of God's glory among all the nations. Like, that's what we're here for. That's where the whole story is headed. If the train of history is headed there, then how do we live for that? So then, yes, now that starts to affect all your priorities. It affects the way you pray. It affects the way you steward, the resources you've been given. It affects the way you think about your future, your vocation, your marriage. Like, you don't want to lock arms with somebody who's not living for the spread of God's glory among all the nations. Like, you're going after this together. Your. Your job. How can I Steward this. These gifts, skills, education for the spread of God's glory among all the nations. Like, this is what we're made for. So that's. Yeah. So then it's just kind of grown. Yeah, I would say just deepened with. Every time I've been around brothers and sisters in different parts of the world, seen places that have little to no knowledge of the gospel, interacted with people living in urgent spiritual and physical need, like, yes, this is what we're here for. Follow Jesus, make him known everywhere. That's what we're made for. And this is where life is found.

[Grant]

Yeah.

[David Platt]

To your point. Sorry, I'm talking a lot. I was like, I was. Just yesterday, I was looking at the rich young man in Matthew, chapter 19, and I was so struck. Like, he. It sounds like it's a call to sacrifice. Go sell all you have and give to the poor. But it's not. He says, you'll have treasure in heaven. Then come follow me. Like, I'm the way, the truth and the life. Like, you're have life in me now, and you're gonna have treasure in heaven forever. That's not sacrifice. That's just smart.

[Maddie Pruitt Trout]

Like, that's just a good investment.

[David Platt]

Yes, of course.

[Grant]

Like.

[David Platt]

And so because he walks away sorrowful, because he had great possessions, like, he walks away holding from a. Walking away from the. Holding on to his things, walking away from the only one who can give him life. And so that's. That's the picture. Yeah. Jesus is. I was in Matthew 13 right before that. I was just kind of doing a little quick journey through Matthew and that parable when he says, yes, a guy walking in the field and he stumbles upon treasure that he realizes is worth more than everything else he has put together. So he goes and he sells everything he has, the text says, with gladness, sells everything he has. Like, I just picture him giving away everything, and people are like, you're nuts. What are you doing? And he's smiling. And nobody else knows this treasures over there in the field. So he's like, I'm gonna buy that field over there. They're like, you're crazy. He's like, I got a hunch. Yeah. Because inside he's glad because he knows he's found something worth losing everything for.

[Maddie Pruitt Trout]

Come on.

[David Platt]

Like, he is literally better than everything this world has put together. Yeah. So. So if we believe that.

[Grant]

Yeah.

[David Platt]

Then we. Then we live very different lives in this world.

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[Grant]

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[David Platt]

Yeah, okay. On the second part, I would say like for any follower of Jesus. Think about what it means to be a follower of Jesus, what salvation means. Like, it means, I'm trusting you as savior of my sins and Lord of my life. Like, Lord, like he's Lord. Like, we've trusted him to save us for the next 10 trillion years. Surely we can trust him with our possessions today or our future or our plans today. Like we, we have sacrificed the right to determine the direction of our lives, to determine the way we use our resources to determine what we do. Like he's Lord. This is what it means for him to be Lord. And, and he is. He's infinitely good. He's infinitely wise. He's. This is where. Yeah, a true understanding of who Jesus is leads to yielding our lives to him. But then, okay, then, but. And then practically, what does that look like? I think that's where it is going to look different in all kinds of people's lives. Like, for that rich young man, it was, sell everything you have and give it to the poor. That was the direct word Jesus gave. So that's a possibility. Jesus could say that to any one of us. He said it to him. He could say it to any one of us. Or like you look at the disciples, they didn't. Well, Initially in Matthew 4, they leave behind their nets and their Father, they follow him. So they're leaving behind. Yeah, vocation, they're leaving behind their safety net. In a sense, they're leaving behind family. But then we know, like, faithfully following Jesus means loving your wife and loving your husband, it means loving your kids, it means caring for widows. It means caring for. If somebody's not even taking care of their own family, they're worse than an unbeliever. So we put all these scriptures together. So there's no question that radically following Jesus does involve some very normal things, like providing for a family or, yeah, just serving your wife by doing this or that. So many different ways this plays out, but that's where it fundamentally comes back to He's Lord, and he calls the shots. So the way I handle my money is directed by him, not by me and not by the pattern of this world. And so to really check that and so to do that on our own, and you're married and a family to check that with each other. Okay, are we surrendering all to Jesus? And what does this mean? What is he calling us to do? To really think through the way that plays out in our time and our talents and our treasure, just every facet of our life, our plans, our dreams? Is He Lord over it all. And that's a daily process.

[Maddie Pruitt Trout]

Man. What a question. Is he Lord? And I. I pray that those of you who are listening right now would take a second to genuinely ask yourself that question. I think the reality is, is that a lot of accepted Jesus as Savior, but not made him Lord, not submitted to him as Lord and submitted to his lordship. And asking yourself that question, is He Lord? Is he Lord of my time? Is he Lord of my talents? Is He Lord of my relationships? Is He Lord of my treasures and my money? And ask yourself, and be honest with that. I think it's so interesting. You have a lot of takes in your book about the American gospel and how in America it seems as almost like we can serve God and money. We can serve God in ourselves. We can have this relationship with God and this relationship with sin. We can live for Jesus, but also live how we want to live, but claim Christianity. And it's really. I have, I have these moments of like being really broken for America and then being really disgusted with America. Moments of being broken over my own sin and then moments of being really disgusted over my own sin. And, and I just, I want to really address this because I think that for a lot of people we have this understanding that God was made for us and that God is here to serve our needs, what we want, what we ask. God, give me the desires of my heart. God, I've been following you. I've been doing these things for you. So where are my blessings? Where am I? Where's my husband? Where's my house? Where's my. Where is my promotion? Where's all these things? Because I've been following you. I've been. I've been faithful to you, God. So where's the first fruit? Where's the blessing? Where's the gift? And I think so many of us are. Have this relationship with God as a means to gain, like I follow you, Jesus, from what I can get from you, Jesus. And man, I've just been so. We've been talking about this a lot, like thinking about so many around the world that are being so persecuted right now for their faith. And in thinking about in America, it almost feels like you can become popular for your faith and you can become. You can make a lot of money and you can do a lot of really cool things and meet a lot of really cool people. And we abuse this grace and the name of Jesus as a means to gain of what it can benefit us. And it's just, it's really. You talk about this in your book But I. I have this, like, deep, deep conviction of, like, anything that I've been called to steward. As you talk about in your book of. Of the church you were pastoring of. Like, if I'm gonna have to give an account for that one day. Hold on, like, one. I gotta be. I got to make sure.

[David Platt]

I'm.

[Maddie Pruitt Trout]

I'm checking. Lord, are you, Lord of my life? Are you, Lord in my. In my marriage with my. With my kids, with my time with. And then also, am I preaching the true gospel? Not. Not a selfish or Americanized or comfortable personalized gospel. Like, am I preaching the whole thing? And so I want to talk about that. I want to talk about the. What is the difference between American gospel and the true Bible gospel?

[David Platt]

Wow. There's so much there. My mind's going one particular direction. Just conviction in my own heart. When I wrote this book, Yeah. I mean, it was the overflow of my heart. And then much like you're talking about, I started getting invited to speak in all these different places people start reading this book. Yeah. There was just a lot that came with that that was like, wait a minute. I wrote this book, like, to take your back your faith in the American dream. I feel like I'm living the American dream in a whole other way. And there was a season that was actually a pretty long season where, okay, I was getting a lot of attention from reading that, writing that book, Invited to preach in a lot of places. Our church in Birmingham was growing. Like, things on the outside looked like they weren't growing great. My time alone with the Lord was inconsistent at best. Non existent. Most days, like, I would. I would study the Bible so I could preach a sermon that Sunday, but I would not open his word just because I wanted to know him. I could turn on a public prayer, like, just like that. That was easy. But, like, rarely would I just go into the room, close the door, pray to my Father, who's unseen while nobody's looking and just seeking after him. And to your point, because this is why it's coming through my mind, like, Jesus was a means to an end for me. That's. It's pretty sick. Like, I was using Jesus. I didn't actually want God. That was clear in my life. I wanted all these things. And I was working hard. I was going for. And on the outside, it looked like I was. Yeah. Everything was great. And even to myself like that, that scares me, how successful I could be as a pastor, as a Christian. Wow. And do it totally apart from intimacy with Jesus. And I, by God's grace. There's so many reasons, there's so many ways that season could have gone that God protected me from that. I would not be sitting here right now. And he used Heather, my wife, to wake me up. I try to periodically ask her like, hey, how can I love you better? Usually she's like, oh, you're doing great. You can work on this over here, but you're doing great. This particular day she wrote, she was like, yeah, you don't. And I was working hard, I wasn't lazy. It's just like you don't sleep, you don't eat healthy, you don't exercise. She said, you don't. I don't know. When you have a quiet time, if you don't make some major changes really soon, you're not going to be around to love me very long. And I was like, I need to. Yeah, it was a major wake up call. But all that to say I, as somebody who wrote this book and has tried to trumpet this message, like I was doing it, I was totally using God as a means to an end. And so that's. That I think, is the question we need to ask ourselves, like, because I do think so. Now, to come back to exactly what you're asking, like, the difference between the American gospel and the, the biblical gospel. Like, I think a lot of the American gospel has come to Jesus to get. Fill in the blank to get. I mean, in some ways it's health, wealth, prosperity, other ways it's, it's just comfort. It's. Yeah, the life you've always wanted this or that, which, there's truth to some of that. But the reality is we come to Jesus to get Jesus. He's the goal. We come to God to get God. And what you're talking about with our brothers and sisters in different places around the world that I've seen like, and shared life alongside. When all the stuff is stripped away and you don't have any of it, when you're in a prison in North Korea, when you're isn't in a prison in Yemen, when you're losing your home and your family and everything in Afghanistan, like, will God be enough for you in that moment? And that's the quite like, is he enough for us? Is he the one we really want? Is Psalm 27 the cry of our heart? Like, one thing I ask, this one thing I see, I just want to behold you and all your glory and dwell in your presence and see you inquire in your temple. You're the one thing I want. And I think that's where we've got to ask ourselves. And is that evident in our lives, like with, with the way we spend our time? Is it clear that the one thing we want more than anything else is just to be with Him? It's just to walk with him, just to know him, to be surrendered to him, to do whatever he says. And that is, that is the fruit of the biblical gospel because it's come to Jesus to get God, to get Jesus himself. And, and knowing, yes, there's so many good gifts that flow from him, like that lead us to give thanks in all circumstances because he's so gracious. But I mean it's where I was in my time with the Lord this morning. Psalm 84, one day in your courts is better than a thousand elsewhere. He's infinitely better than anything else in this world. Do we believe that and is it evident in our lives or are we running after all kinds of kinds of things? So yeah, that gets a little off.

[Grant]

So it may fire, but fires me up.

[Maddie Pruitt Trout]

Yeah.

[Grant]

I would love to talk a little bit about personally for your life. What is a radical faith look like on some day to day basis? Like what can we, what can we be encouraged to know? And also I'd love to hear, it's been 15 years since you wrote that book. There's a lot that the Lord's probably done in your life through that, with some highs and lows. What's the consistent things you come back to? Having written that book, tasted success, which I think is a lot of people's goal, if we're really honest, is it starts pure and all of a sudden at some point God, like for her example is foster care and adoption and she gets this opportunity to go on TV and she stands for her faith on tv, walks off tv, goes from normal to has a major platform. Now you're in the tension of Lord, I just want to steward it. Is this what you've given me? And all of a sudden it's a paycheck in a green room and you're on a stage but you're still trying to like do the thing. But at some point something happens and it. And I just want to know what you've come back to on the other side that you would speak to us personally right now. But also a lot of people going, David, I do love Jesus, but man, if I wrote a book too, that'd be awesome. And if I kind of hit the circuit, that'd be awesome. Tell us on the other side of that what matters like, what would you say to us right now?

[David Platt]

Yeah, man, that's such a good question. Grant. I think about you. You prayed it before we started this conversation. You. May you become greater when we become less. Like, that's. That's been my life. First John 3:30. But I. It. It's. It's been this war in me. It's a continual war because I really believe. I want. I really believe. As best I can tell, I want Jesus to be glorified. But, like, may I become last. Like, that's the fight.

[Maddie Pruitt Trout]

Like, yeah.

[David Platt]

May you become greater. And may they like me too. Like, yeah. So that. That's a daily battle. There's an adversary who is. Yeah. Is working to wreck your life. My life today. And to take good things in our lives and just pervert them, to lead them to pride, to lead them to all kinds of. Yeah. Ends that God doesn't desire. So what that means on a daily basis. This will sound so basic, but it is. It's the thing that changed for me when Heather and I had that conversation years ago. And, and it's been the same since. Like, I, I. And what I'm about to say, I genuinely mean. I don't mean it to sound trite. I cannot live without time alone with the Lord in the morning. I can't. Yeah. I'll just be given over to myself and all. Yeah. My desire is to do this or that. Like, I need Psalm 27, time in the Word, just in prayer. Nobody around, just seeking him, knowing him, delighting in him, being known by him, poured out my heart to him. I. I'll be conformed to the pattern of this world if I'm not transformed by the renewal of my mind every single day in his word. So that's. That's fundamentally where it starts. And, and a dying. I mean, die to yourself daily in that time with Him. All right, this day is yours.

[Maddie Pruitt Trout]

Yeah.

[David Platt]

God, I'm gonna. I'm gonna spend time with Maddie and Grant, please, your. This is your time. Please lead me by your spirit, directly by your spirit. Everything and wherever you need to. Redirect me. Redirect me like my life is yours today. Help me to follow your lordship. I would say in the 15 years since then. Because I don't. Yeah, I know I didn't include this in the book. Like, three words that I would encourage you guys with that have been like bedrocks for me are surrender, abide, and rest. So surrender. Just daily dying to yourself and, and continually checking, am I. Am I following his will? Not my will. Am I. Am I stewarding all that he's entrusted to me for his glory? Like die to myself, Surrender your Lord like we've talked about, then abide like do. My dad used to say he's with the Lord now, but he'd say, when you don't know what to do, do what you know to do. Like, one of the things I know to do today, I know to wake up and be with the Lord, to meditate on his word day and night, to memorize it, to apply it in my life. Like I to be holy, to run from sin, to love the Lord with all my heart and love others as myself. Like all these commands we know, make disciples, like share the gospel. All these things I know to do, those are abiding things. Just walk with him on a daily basis. And I'm convinced that if we're surrendered to him and abiding in him, then the third word, rest, like I used. I used to be like anxious. Like, oh, I don't want to miss out on what this or that, or am I doing enough or am I doing it right? Like, it's like if I'm surrender to him and abiding in him, he's not gonna let me go the wrong way. Like, he doesn't. He wants his will to be accomplished in my life more than I do. He's put his Holy Spirit in me and so I can just rest in Him. Like, I can totally rest in a Matthew 11 kind of way. Like, come to me all your weary and heavy laden. I'll give you rest. My yoke is easy, My burden is light. So even like radical or sacrificial or whatever, following after Jesus is light. When you, well, one, when you have Jesus supernatural power in you, and then his commands, 1st John 5 are not burdensome for you because you know they're good for you. This is leading you to life. So all that to say, like, surrender, abide, rest, and then to do all that in community with other brothers and sisters in Christ who see your life, who can point out things that you can't see, who can help you see things that you don't see, help you see your blind spots that can really speak truth into your life. And then I would say it's been invaluable for me to be to share life at different points with brothers and sisters who are outside of my normal stream. Just whether that's for me. Certainly it's been brothers and sisters in different parts of the world. I mean, I don't go spend a few months ago, all this time. So I was in Bangladesh.

[Grant]

I love these. This is why I love. I was like, when he talks about when he's overseas, man.

[Maddie Pruitt Trout]

Yeah. I'm like, get us into some of these.

[David Platt]

I'm in Bangladesh, I get there the first morning. So Bengali speaking Muslims are probably the largest unreached people group in the world. But there are believers in Bangladesh, just a relatively small number. But I get there and the first morning I'm talking with a sister in Christ and she's like, I said, tell me about the cost of following Jesus here. And she immediately starts talking about martyrs that she knows, like by name, friends of hers. And then she tells me that they've got money set aside kind of in their ministry budget for hospital bills when people get beaten, for either sharing the gospel or for coming to faith in Jesus. And then they've got money set aside for funeral costs. Like, it's just. So that's how my morning starts. I got in late the night before, then I go and we're in this room and they said, there'll be about 500 people that'll come to this room. And I'm like, there's no way you can fit 500 people in this room. But sure enough, they cram in 518 to 25 year olds for three days just soaking in the word, worshiping, praying, saying, we want to give our lives, making the gospel known in our country and throughout Asia wherever God leads us. So I don't, I don't walk away from those times, like full of myself. Like, I'm like, I have so much to learn from the body of Christ around the world. Like, I just, I just walk away very humbled, very honored to be a part of this global body of Christ. So. And then I have a very different perspective as a result of being around those brothers and sisters. On, okay, what does it mean to follow Jesus? It's not, it doesn't all look like, like this, right? Not that this is bad, but it doesn't all look like this. So I do think, and not, not everybody can go to Bangladesh, but I do think we have a responsibility, like to learn about our persecuted brothers and sisters among the nations. Like, we just released something radical, hard to reach North Korea, but I think we need to learn about our brothers and sisters in North Korea. I mean, Hebrews 13, remember those in prison as if you were in prison with them. We need to know what it's like to be in prison as best, best as we can to pray for them, to press in with them. So that kind of perspective needs to affect our understanding of Christianity here. And so the more we can, I think that's, that's pretty key to us becoming more like Jesus. And following Jesus for who he is is making sure we don't get caught up in the bubble that just Christianity looks like every everything I see right around me. Yeah, because it doesn't.

[Grant]

It's so great.

[Maddie Pruitt Trout]

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Go to neemeskincare.com spelled N I M I skincare.com and get 10 off with my code MADDIE10. That's so good. There are so many things. There's like 400 questions that popped into my mind and all of that. But I love when you get into those those stories of just people who are suffering for the name across the world, but yet considering it a great joy like it talks about in the book of Acts that after the disciples were beaten and persecuted, it says they walked away with great joy because they were counted as worthy for suffering for the name. And here it's like our persecution looks like what oftentimes just like some hate comments or thing. And even in that when people, you know, will text Grant and I like, sorry, you guys are being blasted on the Internet for, you know, saying something on a podcast. It's like, okay, well what do you. Like, this is like nothing compared to what so many people are going through around the world. And no matter what form of like suffering looks like, like, we count it as joy for like suffering for the name. But it is so important to, like you're saying, think about those around the world who are truly suffering and are being persecuted. Pray for them, to intercede for them. That is, that is our role. And I think so often we're just so focused on ourself 24:7 that even our prayer life is focused on ourselves. Like it's all about God. When. When are you going to do this for me? What, What? Will you deliver me from this? Will you give me this? Will you move in this way for me? Like, show me you see me and it's all me focused. And some of those, it's not like it's bad, it's a relationship. And so there is some you in it. But it's also, we are called as believers to intercede for others and to pray for those who are being persecuted, to pray for those who don't have a voice, to pray for those who are lost and don't know Him. And so even that I just wanted to charge those of you listening, that is your role as a Christian. Our focus should not be constantly on self. Like Pastor David just said, the whole point of following Jesus is to come and die. It's like, hey, die to yourself. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. Therefore, like, everything I give and everything I say and everything I do should all be his spirit through me operating to love the people who don't know him yet, you know, or those who do and just comforting them as well. So I.

[David Platt]

And this is life. Can I jump in real quick? Right there? And this is life. And as we're doing that, it will. The more we follow Jesus and make him known in this world, world, the harder it will get. So, so to not be surprised by that, right? Like, I would just encourage you guys. I don't, I don't, I don't know any hate comments about you guys, but don't be surprised. Like pretty recent. Yeah, well, I, well then if I could just like speak some truth into you guys lives. Like we signed up for this. Like there's, there's nothing on this book that should Tell us that it was going to be easy, then there wouldn't be whether it's Nehemiah having all kinds of attack and he's like working on a wall and a weapon in one hand and a tool in the other to work on the wall to. I mean, Paul, I mean, obviously over and over and over again, Jesus, obviously himself, like, don't be surprised and that. But that's where I'll tell you. So I hope this is an encouragement to you guys and to anyone. Whenever you start sharing the gospel, it's going to get harder. There's an adversary who doesn't want you to spread truth. Truth. Like, he doesn't want it to happen. So he doesn't want the gospel to go forward. He doesn't want you to thrive. And so he's going to attack in all kinds of different ways. And there was. We. I was experiencing some of that and it was so good. I was. We were in a series and the Sermon on the Mount and I so needed it. Like Blaster, you, he says, when people speak all kinds of evil falsely against you on my account, he says, rejoice. Jesus says, rejoice and be glad. How do you do that? And Luke's account, he says, leap for joy. How do you read some of those comments, which I hope you don't even read the comments, but how do you hear some things and then like, oh, this is all like, leap for joy. Are you serious? How's that possible? It's because you're living for another reward. Your reward is not here. Your reward is truly in heaven. And it's actually, there's a sense in which it's a good gift from God to get reminders that I'm living for reward here, not there, not here. And, and then love your enemies. Pray for those who persecute you. This is my time of the Lord yesterday. And yes, like to genuinely pray. And then so Matthew, chapter 6, verse 1. Be careful not to do your acts of righteousness before others to be seen by them. Then you'll have a reward. I. I mean, I know I'm. I know that verse. I was preaching it on a particular Sunday that week. Week. Some, some things happened that just, yeah were particular text just personally and I, I was really struggling with it. Like I was. I, I don't like people thinking these things about me. And so as I'm preaching that text, I. The Lord just like took his word and spoke it to my own heart. I'm reading my manuscript and it's like true contentment, life Joy is found and the delight of doing good works, doing that which is good acts of righteousness and being seen and known by God alone. And I was like, do you believe that this is true life? Actually? He knows. He sees. He knows your heart. He sees your heart. He knows. He knows you guys. May that be enough. And I would have told you for decades, I'm living for an audience of one. But when the audience starts saying things you. That are not great, then you're like, you get that. That gets checked.

[Grant]

Yeah.

[David Platt]

And it's like, no. Yeah. I am living for audience. I was sharing this with a brother who, over a meal, one of my heroes, who's spent decades of his life around the world spreading the gospel. And he looked at me as I was sharing with him. I was like, he. He said, you feel. Because I was talking about how freeing I was. Like, I actually feel more free right now because I am. I really am in a deeper way than I ever have looking at just him alone. He looked at me. He was like, you feel unstoppable, don't you? I was like, I do. I feel unstoppable. So may the Lord use whatever. Whatever attacks from the adversary may come your way. May he use it to free you from the applause or approval of others. And may he use it to lead you. You to deeper delight in Jesus and God and what he sees. And may he make you unstoppable and what he's called you to do, knowing that as you do that work, it's. It's just gonna get harder, but it's gonna be worth it. And you just keep your eyes fixed on him.

[Maddie Pruitt Trout]

Gosh, we so good.

[Grant]

Yeah, it's. That's so good. Because I looked at Maddie the other night, and I said, hey, if we could go back and this happened or not happen in our life, I would choose it to happen because of how we feel right now, presently, in this moment of verses that we could quote all day long. Got tested. And then we learned. We got wiser. You get humble.

[David Platt]

Yeah.

[Grant]

You get really humble before God.

[David Platt]

Yes.

[Grant]

And you get meek.

[David Platt]

These are good things.

[Grant]

And prudent.

[David Platt]

Yes.

[Maddie Pruitt Trout]

And.

[Grant]

And you own part of it, you know, and it's just like, like. And it tests. There's one prayer that's like, hey, God, you know, but it's almost this prayer of like, but deal with them. But then there's another prayer of like, you're actually broken, and you would love them and want to hug them who have said those things. And when you finally reach that place, you're like, thank you, God, that this happened, because I don't know, you know, you could quote certain verses before now. It's just different. You read David a little different in the Psalms.

[David Platt]

Yeah. So it's all throughout the Psalms.

[Grant]

It's in the Psalms.

[David Platt]

Heather and I were on a date night. We were talking about in one of these, like, really hard seasons like that. And I. I looked at her, I was like, babe, this has been so hard. But I can truly say, I know God more. I love God more. I trust him more now than I did, like, six months ago. So if he's the goal, then these are great days. Yeah. And that's the good news. He's the goal. He's a great goal. And so these are great days. No, now I was in Nepal, and I was in the middle of the night, couldn't sleep, so I'm like, I don't just want to lay here. So I just go out on this balcony, and I'm spending some extra time with the Lord. And the Lord was just meeting me in this profound way. Like, I mean, just. I don't rank like, my quiet times, but if I did. If I did, this would be, like, time top five. Like, it was. It was just the Lord just ministering to me. I'm, like, on my face before him and like, yeah, it was just a powerful time, this extended time with him. And right then, so I'm over in Nepal, I'm, like, gathering believers, and we're talking about spreading the gospel among the nations. And I get this text like, hey, there's something going on back here. Some, like, attacks coming at you. And I was like, oh. But then I was like, thank you, Lord. You didn't have to wake me up in the middle of night. Just pour out your love on me in this way, like you did. So I'm like, well, I'd take attacks on me if I could experience a quiet time like that any day. But then I find myself praying. I'm like, well, Lord, I would love, like, this kind of quiet time without the attack. But that's when it hit me. That's coming one day. It's called heaven. But as long as we're here, it's actually the heart hard that leads to this kind of intimacy. And so to step into that, that's. And again, it goes back to the American gospel, biblical gospel. Like, there's just no promise of ease in this world. The. Yeah. Paul never describes the Christian life as like, riding a bike down a hill with the wind, coasting through Your hair. It just doesn't.

[Maddie Pruitt Trout]

This is great. Come hang.

[David Platt]

No, it's like a battle.

[Grant]

Yeah.

[David Platt]

Ephesians 6. This is war. 100, like, against that. A real adversary who really wants to wreck our lives and our marriages and our families and really wants to wreck the work that's going to spread the God, like, don't be surprised. It's just gonna be hard. And it's gonna be hard all the way till we see his face. And then it's gonna. We're gonna realize in a deeper way than ever, it's totally worth it.

[Maddie Pruitt Trout]

Hey, friends, it's Maddie. If you've read my new book, Dare to Be True, I would love to hear what you think. Your reviews mean so much to me. They help more people discover the message book. So if this book has encouraged you, challenged you, or reminded you to live with bold faith and honesty, would you just take a minute to leave a review? It truly makes such a difference. And if you haven't gotten my new book yet, Dare to Be True, you can go and find it anywhere books are sold. Thank you so much for being a part of this journey and for daring to be true right alongside me. It talks about in Hebrews that Jesus himself learned obedience through what he suffered. And I think about that all the time of, like, man, how I'm. I'm so quick in my sin nature to be disobedient, to be doubtful, to be discouraged. And I'm like, man, if it takes suffering to create a true humility and obedience and fear of God, then let it be. Then let it be. And I talk. We talk about often, too. Like, I do think there's something. There's some type of fruit that's attached to suffering that we will never understand on this side of, like, on in earth. And I really think that one day we're going to get to eternity and, like, there's going to be this moment where we're like, oh, our suffering led to that. Like, wait, Jesus, why didn't you let me suffer more? I think there's going to be this, like, revelation of suffering produced that. Yeah, that's what that led to. And we. We just. We want. We want the success without the suffering. We want the crown without the cross. We want all that good without any of the hard. And then we're like, God, why have you forsaken me? As soon as the hard starts coming and we've just seen, like. And it's a weird thing to be in because you're like, well, I'm not asking for you Know, like, suffering and persecution.

[Grant]

You're hesitant after some hard things.

[David Platt]

But it's.

[Maddie Pruitt Trout]

But it's also like, lord, let your, like, whatever you need to do in us and however you want to move through us, like, like, do it like, we're. We're your vessels. We know what is your life. But a miss. We know this is so short, this is so temporary that, I mean, we're living here for how we're going to live forever. And so I'm like, well, I don't want to mess this up here. So. So it's just. It's so convicting and where I really want to go, because this is what I felt stirring in my heart so deeply. And you talk about it a lot in your books. And I've had this message heavy on my heart for the last few times that I've spoken is this, like, call to repentance. And it talks about, in Matthew 7, this, like, terrifying passage of there being this conversation with Jesus and some people where he's like, many are going to come to me and say, lord, Lord, we did all of these things for you. We prophesied in your name. We performed miracles, we drove out demons, we healed that. We did all these awesome things. Look, God, we started moving, we started conferences, we started podcasts, we started all these things. God, look what. Look what we did for you. And he's like, but I never knew you depart from me. I never knew you. And it. What's so terrifying to me is that word many and the fact that he's speaking to people who know God, quote unquote, and have a relationship with God, quote unquote. And that's what. What's so terrifying to me of, like, the many and how narrow the road really is, how narrow the path really is. And I. I'm like, are we just going to be so shocked by who actually made. Who made it to heaven and who didn't? We're like, oh, wow. They did these really, really big, massive things, but, like, their heart wasn't pure, but they did it for themselves. They did it for the wrong reasons. And I really want. I want to dive into this, like, cultural Christianity, this comfortable Christianity that so many of us follow and believe in. And it's the opposite of the gospel. It's the opposite of the call to follow Jesus, of. He. He. He has these 12 disciples. He calls us before he ascends to heaven to go and make disciples. He doesn't. He's not just trying to have converts. He's not just like, hey, like, you know, like, hey, believe me. Yeah. No, it's like, follow me, follow me, be a disciple. Come and learn my teachings and then obey my teachings and then teach my teachings to other people. People. And that's just been so heavy on my heart of this. Like, the first word Jesus says in his public ministry, the first word Paul or not Paul, John the Baptist says in his public ministry is repent, repent, repent. And, and turn, turn from this. Follow me, choose me. And I, I just feel this like, stirring in my spirit of like a wake up call to Christians to, To, to quote, unquote, Christians like to, to people who profess Christianity that there might be. There's a good chance that a lot of us are missing it. There's a good chance that a lot of us are confused about what it looks like to actually follow Jesus. And we're even having a conversation. Grant strikes up a conversation on the way here with our, with our Uber driver, and he's asking him, you know, about what he believes and where he's. He's at with his faith. And he kept using this word cultural. Like he grew up in Ethiopia and now he's here and you know, cultural, like, this is what the cultural immigrants, it's like, but what do you believe? What faith do you have? What do you believe about Jesus? If you were to die today, like, how are you going to get into heaven? And where are you at? 1 to 10, where are you at? And it was just this beautiful moment of getting like, he got to like, just share the gospel with him. But I saw this, like, he was like, so thankful. He was like, thank you for tell. Like, almost like, thank you for telling me. Because everybody else just wants to say, go for it, bro. Like, you live your truth. Do you, like, whatever's good for you, you know, Know. And so I want to, I want to dive into this idea of like, cultural Christianity. Like, how, how. What is, what does it mean to be a true follower of Jesus? How can we know if we're gonna make it to heaven, gonna, gonna be able to get into heaven? And how do we come against this? Like, even in our own sinful nature, as we do radically start following Jesus, there's still this, like, pull to fall into comfortable cultural Christianity, especially in living in America, how we resist.

[Grant]

And really quick, I want to.

[David Platt]

12 questions.

[Grant]

So are you counting up the question.

[Maddie Pruitt Trout]

We can repeat we.

[Grant]

The crisis of belief you talked about. I think we have been in that the past six months. And the, the phrase I kept getting from the Lord was the Gate is narrower than you think. And Grant, if you were to think about the category you're in, you would say you're set apart. Like, there's cultural Christianity. You think you're in kind of this pool. He says there's actually this pool that is. That is my people. And we're in the crisis of faith right now of, like. And we just want to be honest with everybody that listens is like, we. We are, like, really wrestling with a lot of things. A lot of things. Is it to delete social media or to stay on? Is it to. It's all the things. Everything's on the table right now.

[David Platt]

Now.

[Grant]

And so I just want people to know, like, we're in the midst of figuring this out, too. Not a figured out position, but a literal wrestling right now.

[Maddie Pruitt Trout]

Oh, 100 in it. No, this is literally this, you guys. This is just a mentor session right here.

[Grant]

Yeah, you're just getting.

[Maddie Pruitt Trout]

There happens to be a camera on. We're actually.

[Grant]

These are genuine questions.

[Maddie Pruitt Trout]

We just. We just want to know as. Yeah, like, I mean, I mentioned that at the beginning, but we're living in Brentwood, Tennessee. You know what I mean? And. And we have.

[David Platt]

Have.

[Maddie Pruitt Trout]

We have, you know, a few beds in our home and air conditioning. And. And it's just like, you feel the constant weight of, like, there are people who are living on the streets out here. There are people around the world who. Who don't have access to food and water. There are. And I, you know, and I spent $200 on Amazon today. It's. It's like, it's the constant, like, wrestle in your spirit of, like, God what truly pleases you, like, what actually pleases you and honors you. Because we want that. Whatever that is. We want that.

[David Platt]

Yes. Oh, okay.

[Maddie Pruitt Trout]

The 12 questions.

[David Platt]

I'm so. I'm just so thankful. I. I just want to affirm God's grace in you guys. And it'd be a lot easier not to ask these questions. It'd be a lot easier to not put it all on the table. It'd be a lot easier to just kind of ride the wave and see. Yeah. This blending of where the. Yeah. A nice, successful, comfortable Christian life. Like. And so. And that is a constant battle that will always be there for you guys. Will always be there for me, will always be there for all of us, as long as we're. Particularly in this culture. Like, there needs to be followers of Jesus in Brentwood, Tennessee. There needs to be followers of Jesus and nice suburbs of Northern Virginia, like, where I live outside of Metro DC here and as a part of Metro dc. So I, I just would say so that's a constant battle. But to continually put it all on the table is so key. And to continually put it in check. And then. Okay. I mean you both, you guys talked about Matthew 7. That is. Was just so happened to be my Bible reading this morning. So I was just in that text. Yeah. Meditating on this many who will say to me. And so here's where it led to my time before the Lord was just like, I just want to know you truly, Lord, please help me not create a version of you. That's not true. That looks a lot like me. I mean that's the danger. We can kind of create this picture of a nice middle class American Jesus who looks like us and thinks like us. Us. And then the reality is when we come like into church to sing songs and even lift up our hands, we're not actually lifting up our hands and singing to Jesus. We're actually lifting up our hands and singing to ourselves if we've made him in our image. So to really say I just want to know you truly. And yes, grant, the picture that came to my mind when you were talking about I can't remember the way you pictured it, described it. This other circle or this other gate or this other other. I remember for me in college the constant temptation. So I'm in a fraternity, I'm trying to be like intentional and following Jesus, sharing the gospel. What I learned really quickly is guys standards were so low that if I could live like just a little bit above those standards and not do a few of the things they were doing, they were like, you're an awesome Christian just because you're. Yeah, yeah. Not doing a few different things like just like that.

[Grant]

Yeah.

[David Platt]

And it was like, oh no, no, you're not called to live here. Like you're called to live up here. And but there's a tendency to kind of just compare. And that's one of the dangers in our. And and can be in our churches that we look around and everybody else in the church kind of looks like they're kind of coasting through a Christian spelling the American dream. So I guess that's right. And so we just, we just start to lower real. Yeah real easily right there. So yes, God's called us to live up here, to walk through a narrow gate and to know him. I mean let the one who boasts not boast in his wisdom or his might riches. Let him boast that he knows and understands me. This is the one thing. And so then to press in, say, okay, I want to know you truly. I want to follow you wholeheartedly. And then. Yeah, and then the words got to be guiding this. So that's where Matthew 7 ends. Everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who builds his house on rock and it falls when. When the storms come, or it doesn't fall when the storms come. And I was like, okay, that's the key. Hear these words of mine, put them into practice. So help me to honestly be in your word every day, to really see it for what it's saying, not for what I want it to say. Not like twisting it to fit my life, but twisting, like, transform, letting it transform my life to align with what it's saying. And then. Okay, yeah, for you guys to really think through. Okay, what does God's word say about influence? What's God's word to say about stewardship? What does God's word say about possessions? What's God's word say about. And then. Okay, Lord, by your Holy Spirit, how can we best apply that to our lives, our families, this moment, even what you're calling us to do, which may not be what you call us to do 10 years from now, but it is. We just want to do whatever you want us to do right now. He's. And that's where the surrender abide, rest. And he's going to lead, he's going to guide, he's going to direct you guys. But I don't know. I hope some of that's helpful. But I really think, yes, this is the. If we're not careful, we can coast through a Christian life. Christian life and miss out on all. All that we just talked about. Like, we can believe. And so what does it mean to be a follower of Jesus? I mean, I do want to make sure it's super clear to everybody who's listening. Like, to be a follower of Jesus is not to do X, it's to trust Jesus as Lord. Like, we can't save ourselves. We're only saved by his grace through faith in him. So it's to believe that. That we have sinned against God. It's to believe that we're separated from God by our sin and we deserve eternal judgment for our sin. But to believe that Jesus has come. He's lived the life we couldn't live. He's died the death we deserve to die on a cross for our sins. He's conquered the enemy. We couldn't conquer death itself. He's risen from the grave. So that anybody who repents and believes, who turns from our sin and trusts in him, will be just. Just trusting in Him. Him. Everyone who believes that he, that Jesus is Lord, confesses your mouth. Jesus is Lord. Believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead. You will be saved. So this is what it means. But that's it. He's Lord. And so then that totally transforms everything about our lives. And so there's no way you can believe that he is Lord and then live like your Lord. So that's. You've left that behind. And so, yeah, Lord, if you want me to get off social media, I'll do it. Yeah. So then to process through for you guys, process through for. With. With wise counselors around you, here's the dangers, here's the pros, here's the cons. What is the wisest stewardship for us to do with that right now? And then, okay, here's our finances. Like, how do we most wisely steward what you've entrusted to us? And, and I, I think one guiding principle there from 1st Timothy 6, godliness with contentment is great gain. Now, Paul talks there about how food. We'll be content with food and covering. So, I mean, very basic. But I do think it's wise for us to establish, like, a contentment level. And like, I mean, yeah, we have clothes, we have food, we have a house. But instead of, like, constantly looking for more nicer, newer, better to have like a cap on our standard of living. I think that's, like, here's where I think that we can most. And then to free up everything above that, to be able to give away. I think that's just a principle to, like, live simply. And even that's going to be relative. But live simply and then give sacrificially. So there, there, yeah, we've got all kinds of principles with our giving there. But it all starts with, yes, I just want to know you as Lord. I don't want to just do good thing. I don't want to. Yes, we can go through the motions if we're not careful and miss the whole point. And I don't want to miss the whole point and miss out on life in the process, man.

[Maddie Pruitt Trout]

And it's crazy, too, because, I mean, I think a lot of times we go off of that one little prayer that we prayed at a camp or a conference, you know, of Jesus coming to my heart. And then he stayed. He's there in that moment, and then nothing changes after that. That and we kind of get lost in all the things after. And. And there's not that true transformation. There's not that abiding. There's not that following. And God's word says, if you love me, you will obey my commands. So to be a follower of Jesus is to follow Jesus to do what he did and to, you know, and to do what he says in his word to do. And so obedience is his love. Love language. It's. It's so important. It's. It's everything. And so I love that you're talking about that, because that. That's what's so beautiful is like, the invitation is to everybody. Everybody. Like, oh, you've been addicted. You're invited. Oh, you're, You're. You're. You're stuck in this end. You're invited. Oh, you have this past. You're invited. You. You. You know, you grew up with family like that. You're invited. You grew up in a different religion. You're invited. You grew up, like, knowing God but following God for all the wrong reasons of what you can get from God. You're invited. Every person is invited. But it's up. We have to accept it, and then we have to follow. I would love to end this podcast with really you just praying whatever the Holy Spirit lays on your heart to pray, but maybe even just giving a true invitation for. And again, it's not just this moment of, like, praying this prayer. Then you have to actually go and follow him, but to at least, like, pray a prayer for people to. If they want to make this decision right now. I want to follow Jesus.

[David Platt]

Yes, I would love to do that. And I would just say to. Yeah, well, to every person who's listening, like, he's worthy. He is so worthy of your life. And he's saying, that's not me saying that. That is. I know that's straight from His Word, like, he is worthy of your trust, he's worthy of your love, he's worthy of your surrender, and he desires life for you forever. That nothing in this world can compare with. If you'll trust him, whether that's for the first time or maybe in a fresh way. Yeah, I didn't know this, where this podcast was going, but, yeah, in a fresh way for some of you, that this might be a marker in your life. I pray it would be so that, like, yeah, that was a marker for me where I just said, in a fresh way. Jesus, your Lord, and you lead however you want, and you can trust him. So, yeah, let me pray that over all of us. All of us. I want to pray that in a fresh way right now. Yeah, but could I just invite us then to just in our hearts before the Lord to say that right now, Jesus, you are Lord. Just say that in our hearts, maybe for the first time, to say that. Jesus, I believe you died on the cross for my sins. I believe you rose from the dead for. For me to have life in you. And today I repent. I turn from my sin and myself. And I trust in you as Savior and Lord of my life. And the word is super clear. Everyone who calls the name of the Lord will be saved. So you're saved from your sins, restored a relationship with God, not based on anything you do, but based on trust in what he's done for you, yielding your life to him. And then for all of us to say in a fresh way, Jesus, you are Lord, and we are so thankful. We are so thankful we say together right now, we're so thankful. You are Lord. You're infinitely wise. You're infinitely good. You're infinitely better than all the best stuff this world has put together. You know what is best for our lives. You know what it's best for Grant and Maddie. You know what's best for me. You know what is best for every single one of us. You're our Creator. You've made us fearfully and wonderfully. You desire good for us, eternal good for us. So we praise you as Lord, and we trust you as Lord. We pray Galatians 2:20 over each other other. We want to be crucified with Christ so that we no longer live, that we have died to ourselves. We want to die to ourselves in a fresh way, even right now. And to live in you the life we live. We live by. We want to live by faith in you, the One who loves us. And you gave yourself for us. So help us to abide in your love, to walk in your love, to seek you, not as a means to an end, but as the end, as the one we want more than anything else. And God, we pray that you would lead us, help us. We want to steward our all that you've entrusted to us, our very breath and everything else faithfully for your glory, for others good and for our joy. And we want to hear one day as we stand before you, well done, good and faithful servant. We want to live. We want to live for you as the Lord of our lives. So we pray that you would bring fruit from our lives and from this conversation in ways far beyond what any of us could ask. Or imagine in the days ahead. In Jesus name we pray. Amen.

[Maddie Pruitt Trout]

Amen. Thank you so much. I'm so thankful that you said he is so worthy. He is worth it all. Because I just. And we're done. A promise. But I just wanted to say that we talked a lot about like, dying to yourself and running from just like this temptation to make Jesus what we want him to be. And like resisting that and all, but also like just the reminder that he is so worthy, he is so good. He is worth losing all of this for because of how good he is. And, and so many of us are searching for love and joy and peace. And he's literally the prince of peace. God is love. In his presence is the fullness of joy. He has everything that we desire and that we were made for. And so I hope you guys just made that decision to just pray what he just prayed and, and to start living it because he is where the joy is. And God has so much for your life. And I'm so excited to hear about how this conversation encouraged you. Please, please let us know. We want to know. And we're going to include the link also to some of David Platt's books and resources because truly these messages have encouraged our faith and transformed our lives to love Jesus more and follow Jesus more. And so excited to hear how they encourage you as well. So guys, as always, be sure to stay you and stay true. We love you.

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