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B
Let's do that. And first to say, with so much conversation we've had behind closed doors, there's been multiple things this year that I would say have, like, been hard for us. The reason Maddie started this podcast, the reason I jump on this podcast, the reason, the reason we pray so much for this podcast is to help people and to love people. And like that is baseline. The reason we do this podcast and to know that there have been certain moments where we have said things the wrong way or said things without context or like flippantly or lightly. I think we just wanted to say we're sorry and we want to ask for forgiveness for anybody that has seen a clip or a snippet or a headline and had no context to hear from us further. And I think that's what we wanted to start off by saying is that if you've not felt loved or cared for in what we've said, that is what makes us most sad. It's because that's the reason we do this. And we do both feel a call to love the Word and preach the Word. And so there are times that we want to just, like, take what the Bible says and live it, but there are ways to say it in context and stuff. And so.
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And I think I have. I have such a beautiful, unique audience. Like, I love you guys. And I think because I come from the Bachelor, there's just, you know, some of you guys are new to your faith journey. Some of you guys have been following Jesus for a long time. Some of you guys have given your life to Jesus. Like, I mean, I've heard testimonies, and I am moved to tears and just grateful to God of some of you guys giving your life to Jesus through listening to the. Not because of this podcast, but because of God moving in this podcast and because God is real and he loves you. And there are words that we use from scripture that I think when you don't fully explain it, no doubt, and you don't give context to it, it can feel very confusing because that same word in Scripture, like submission, like discipline, that that is used in the Bible, if you don't explain what the Bible is saying and give context to it, then you just say that word flippantly. It can be received in a really hurtful way. And so we just want to say sorry. We want to really own our part in that. Of, like, I have definitely had moments of saying things lightly or like I would in conversation with a friend that maybe knows me and. And knows my heart. And we've talked about these things before, you know, off camera, that I can sometimes for, because this really does feel like we're just in a living room and we're just having conversations. And I think sometimes I can forget that there are people on, you know, the other side of this screen that are going to be listening to this, that have their experiences and things that you guys have walked through. Some of you, when you hear the word submit, you think of abuse because of things that have happened to you or things that you've seen around you. When you hear that word, you think of it meaning that, you know, if you're a woman, that that means oppression and that you have no voice and you are silenced and you are control. When you hear that word, I think it can strike a lot of different feelings, and that is in no way of how I meant it. Of what the Bible is saying nor in how we live. Our marriage dynamic is not like that in any way. GRANT LAUGHS because again, not to make light, but we, it's just so. We almost smile because it's truly opposite. Like, I have a very big personality, strong girl. I am very strong willed. I have a lot of opinions, I live a very full life. I do a lot of things. I have my own podcast. I, you know, have in the past been traveling and speaking. Things are changing in 2026 just because of where I feel like God is leading me. But like, he, he has been such a champion of, like, fanning into flame the gifts that God has given me. And in no way has that been a dynamic of like, I can't, you know, live my life or shine the way I feel led to because, you know, my voice is now silenced now that I'm a wife. And so when I. We don't believe in that. And I think that the world has a version or a take on that word that comes with a lot of harm and that comes with a lot of hurt. And so we just want to clear the air and just take some time to talk about what the Bible means, but also what we meant and how we live that out and practice that in our marriage and day to day life.
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Yeah, and I would say, like, between us, it's, it's really hard to know you've hurt people. And like, it's just we've prayed so much and I would, I would go all the way back to like the discipline moment. I would say, like, just to let them in on. The reason we didn't say anything about that is we wanted to, we wanted to learn as much as we could from that moment. And we had a lot of prayer. We would have people over and we would be like in tears, to be honest with you, with our mentors and with our friends praying, going, how badly did we hurt people? What do we need to say? What do we need? And all we felt was just like, I want you to sit and learn. And I would say a lot of humility has come from that. A lot of, like, learning what does the Bible really say and really mean? And so we just want you guys to know, like, a lot of thoughtfulness comes from these moments. A lot of humility comes from these moments that we don't want to be, like, quick to respond to.
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We just wanted to learn and honestly invite in a lot of wise counsel and ask, like our mentors and ask our friends, like, what do you interpret when you read this in the Bible, and how do you view that in your family? And what do you think is helpful and healthy and God honoring and is there a right and wrong in this situ? Like, and genuinely asking and just being a learner and a student. And I think we've kind of lost that a little bit in this generation of, like, asking questions and being so slow to speak and quick to listen, and. And it's something, again, like, I struggle with personally, and it's something that I want to fight for. Like, I want to be someone that's, like, I want to learn. You know, we're brand new to being parents, and even though we've been following Jesus for a little while, we're still learning things about the Bible, we're still learning things about Jesus, we're still growing in our own faith. And in no way have we arrived and been like, this is exactly what this means, and this is what you should do. We always want to come from a place. And even my heart, this podcast is like, I always wanted to be kind of take like, the big sister role or the best friend role of, like, hey, like, let's learn together. Let's grow together. Let's lock arms and run the race God has marked out for us together. I do not want to be someone who's, like, up here being like, this is what you should do. And I don't feel like that's what anyone wants. And so, yeah, my heart is really just like, I want us to keep learning and growing together. I think we've learned a lot in these experiences.
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B
Learned a lot through, like, how you.
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Say things and how it matters, like, not to treat certain topics lightly and to have an understanding that people come from different backgrounds and have different interpretations of things where, you know, yeah, in the past, like, maybe we just wouldn't have thought about that or something.
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B
The central heart of what Stay True is about is the gospel of Jesus Christ, that we're all broken and we're all on this journey of becoming like Jesus Christ, and he came down and died for us. And it's nothing more than the blood of Jesus Christ that saves me or saves Maddie or saves you. And that's the central thing. We believe we may disagree about different topics, and that's okay. Like, that's okay. And so we are in this place of going. We don't think that we're coming from this. Like, I know what's right 100%. We're on the journey with you. We're learning with you. Doing our best to take the Bible and go, this is what I believe it says. And when we're wrong and when we mess up or when we say it wrong, we want to say that was not said in the most kind honoring way. And people may hear things or see a title or see something, and it's been hurtful. And we know that and see that and say we want to own that moving forward. So if there's anything else you want to say on that, I just wanted them to hear.
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And of course, I've always been a truth teller, and this is what I believe, and, you know, this is what the Bible says. And I think when I went on the Bachelor, so much of that shifted to where I was like, man, it's not about being right. It's not about being heard. It's not about what I think. It's reaching people and loving people for the sake of Jesus Christ and praying that everybody gets to encounter the God that saved me. Like, praying everybody gets to have a moment of choosing do I want to have a relationship with that God. And I, as much as I can, want to always present that God who loves, who relentlessly loves, who saves, who sees you, who cares about you, who has compassion, who. Who meets you in the midst of whatever mess you find yourself in that maybe you were born into or that maybe happened to you or maybe that you got yourself in. And he meet you where you're at, and he picks you up and brings you into his light and in his love and into his rest and into his peace. That's what he did for me. And he saved me. Like, he truly saved me. And he continues to rescue me from me. He continues to, like, remind me that, Maddie, you got some faults and you got some things that I am working on and making, you know, like, look more like me. And. And we're all on a journey. And I just want you to know that Jesus, and that's my heart behind this pod. I think I've learned a lot in these last, like, few years and even few days as we've been processing through that. And I want to be someone that I am speaking to you wherever you're at, I love you. I see you. I care about you, and more importantly, God loves you. God sees you. God cares about you. And I pray that no matter where anybody is that listens to this podcast, they encounter that God and they feel loved right where they're at. Yet I pray we're all on a journey of we don't want to stay where we're at. Like, God continues to make us more and more like himself. And we continue to grow more and more. Yeah. Into being more like him. And so I think in this. In this, like, even recent, you know, light of events of this last week or so, we've been processing through that a lot of. Just like, man. Yeah. Like how we've said some things that have come across the wrong way in a way in which we didn't intend for it to.
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Yeah. I. We want to invite you in on this journey of Maddie and Grant trying to do this the best way we can while sharing Jesus as best we can. And I got saved. In 2018, my life was radically changed. And I think both of us have this common passion and fire to go. Who can we share Jesus with in the. In the most effective way we can? And yes, that's such a good thing to say because it's like, we want to extend this invitation of we're on the journey with you, but we're also figuring this out on the fly as well. You know, we're figuring out how to say things and how not to say things. So I would say for this one, with submission, like, I want to just get into what people might think or might see, because I get. I get. And I want you to speak to this. That when you see a headline or a title or an article that says I love to submit, or I. Whatever. Whatever it was said that word. Yes. Like submission. It's such a weird word. I want you to hear that. It is such a weird word that is not used in today's culture. It's not used in today's time. It's not what we even believe in terms of what's used in today's culture.
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Like, in no way. We don't live that ever been a moment in our house household where you're like, zero, you have to submit to me. Or I'm like, I have to submit to you. Like, that word is.
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That is never used. That is not our posture. It's just the word that's used over and over again in the Bible. Now it's our job, what we want to own is to just explain and define some of these terms. That would seem really strange to just scroll on social media and see a quote from us and go like, guys, if I saw that quote from somebody, I would be like, oh, that's. That's a little weird. What?
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Oh, yeah, no, out of contact. I mean, I. I saw like a post about it and I'm like, submission is my favorite thing. I think if I saw that, I Too would be like, it just feels weird. That's cringy. That's weird.
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Yes.
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I don't understand. Why would anyone ever say that?
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Totally. And so.
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And so again, like, I wanna. I wanna own that and acknowledge that and say if I were to see that out of context, I too would have that same feeling. And I think just because we were sitting in a room with our friends and. Yeah, like, it was just said in that way. And again, if I could go back and say it differently and give some context, I would. But this is why we're doing this video and to hopefully shed some light on, like, why it was said and what we really believe about it. But, yeah, we've never one time used that in our marriage or in our household, nor will we in moving forward of. There is no, Like, Grant has never one time been like, you know, I'm lording this over you. Like, you have to submit to my authority. Like, I am the man of the house. Like, he's just. It's never, ever, ever been like that. And so I first want to, yeah, just like, start by saying what submission is not. And when it's talked about in Scripture, like, it's. Submission is not abusive in what it's talking about in the Bible. It's not, you know, exercising this dominant, like, power and authority, lording it over someone. It's not. Yeah, it's not. It's not abusive. It's not dominating. It doesn't mean that the wife is weak or passive or has no voice or is not equal with. With the husband. Like, that's not at all what submission means. Nor is it what we believe submission means when it's talking about that in the Bible.
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Totally, totally. And I want you to keep speaking to this, but the context of all this is we were sitting with a friend and you were kind of giving him, like, things you've learned in marriage. And that's when you said the thing of, like, I, like, I love to submit. Where that comes from is Ephesians 5 and multiple parts in the Bible, but where that comes from is Ephesians 5. Paul lays out the blueprint for godly biblical marriage. And it starts off with two verses to the wife, and then there's about six to seven verses to the husband. And in those two verses to the wife it says, wives, submit to your husbands. That's where that word comes from. So I'd love you to just like, explain before we get to what is asked of the man and the husband, what did you mean? Do you mean what do we mean? And how do we live our marriage in a way that may not reflect what, like, 2025 would hear with the word submit?
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Yeah, I think a better way of when you hear the word submit, like, I think my personal take and application when I read that in Scripture and how we operate in our marriage in is Grant is the spiritual leader of the home. And that doesn't mean in any way, like, oppressive or domineering. But I think when I think about it, it almost means, like, how I interpret it is like, Grant is the provider and protector of the home, and I get to come under his care in a way that's not like, oh, I have to. But in a way where I feel safe, he is. And that's the next verse in that. Ephesians 5 is, you know, the man is the head of the. And I think again, for me, it's like, there's this respect and this honoring that I give Grant again, not because I have to, but because it's the way in which God calls us to and in the way that I truly have found to feel the freest and the most content in our marriage. I believe that Grant's role is to be the spiritual leader of the home and to lead us in a way that's leading us closer to Jesus, to protect, to provide, you know, to. To give us, like, this, like, safety and this, like, covering. And it says that in Scripture that in the same way that Christ is that for the church. And so I just think it's not even about, like, marriage. It's about this bigger thing. It's about Jesus. It's about the Gospel. And I think for us, it's all about, like, we want to model our marriage in such a way that people see Jesus in our marriage. And that's why this hurts when, you know, we maybe say something in a way where it would taint that or hinder someone's ability to see our marriage and be like, man, I want the Jesus that they have. I want a marriage that honors God like that. And we would just never want anything that we say to keep someone from experiencing that. But, yeah, I would say that in my interpretation of it and how we apply it is that word submission is honor, is respect. And it is viewing it as we have equal rights. Not one person is more important than the other. Not one person has a bigger voice than the other. Not one person has the dominating authority over the other. It is a. We have the same rights. We just have different roles. But what God calls for when you get married is for there to be like a laying your life down for one another, a service to one another. Like, you're serving the other person. You're not just thinking about yourself all the time. You're thinking about, how can I love and serve the other person? How can I love and serve my spouse? But as followers of Jesus, Jesus says, I came not to be served, but to serve and to give my life as a ransom for many. Jesus came to lay his life down. And I would even say, before you jump into kind of the role of a husband, I'd love for you to touch on, like, Jesus modeled submission, you know, Jesus modeled what true, like, godly biblical submission should look like. And so, again, this is so much more than pointing to even, like, marriage. It's pointing to Jesus and what Jesus modeled for all believers to follow. You know, whether you're single, whether you're dating, whether you're married. And so it's something that we can all learn from. So I'd love for you to even, like, talk a little bit about, like, Jesus modeling submission and what that looked like.
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Totally love that. So Ephesians 5, 21, before it goes into the woman, it says, submit to one another out of reverence for Christ. So there's this, like, submitting to one another that we live by. That is. That is so beautiful. And marriage is the best. You gotta hear that. Marriage is the best. Yeah, it's like, that's what's so hard about these moments where you just, like, dang, like, that's what's being said. Like, yeah, we. We so honor and love one another. Wanted to say that.
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And, like, out of, like, truly feel like we have one of the best marriages of, of. And that's not to gloat. We've worked really hard and work really hard at our marriage, and in no way are we perfect, but, like, we have an amazing marriage where we truly like.
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And it takes work.
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It takes a lot of work.
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And it's a lot of humility and forgiveness. The issue is, when we talk about, like, wives coming under and honoring and respecting and following your husband as the spiritual leader of the home, the issue is, is there's not a lot of men that are leading. Well, here's what we're not saying. Regardless of his character, regardless of his spiritual walk, regardless of what he says, you need to follow him. Not the case. Like, you don't. There, There. There is something that are in a lot of homes that could be abuse, spiritual abuse. It's like, well, the Bible says you need to Follow me. There is honor and respect, but like, not if there's abuse. We gotta say that very clearly. Even Christian guys like need to step it up because we should live our lives in such a way that our wives go, it is such an honor and a joy to be led and come under your arm.
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B
Girlfriend, submit to your boyfriend. Yes.
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No, no, no. It is, it is. Wife, submit to your own husband. But just as Grant referenced, it says in Ephesians 5, 21, submit to one another out of reverence for Christ. So again, it's this like service, this sacrifice, this respect, this honor that goes both ways. That again, equal rights, different rules. And Grant is talking about the, the importance of like, men got to step it up. Because what's really hard is you do you see a lot of women who are honestly the spiritual leaders of their home because the men are apathetic or lazy or stuck in secret sin or just not taking their relationship with Jesus spiritually. And so I think in a lot of cases women are having to be those spiritual leaders. And I would just say like too, if you find yourself in a marriage where like I'll just speak to the ladies, like if you find yourself in a marriage that the person that you're married to is not following Jesus, I don't believe that you should ever have to submit in a way that leads you to sin in a way that would lead you as to separate you from Christ. I think that there's a way you can still respect your husband. I think there's a way you can still honor him without submitting under his leadership that would lead you to sin. Because I believe that. That a true godly leader, a man of God, when Paul is talking about that, like, it should be someone who is leading spiritually, leading you closer to Jesus, leading your family closer to Jesus. And so I want you to get into that a little bit more. But I did want to. I wanted to speak to that because I think that there are a lot of situations where. And I've had a lot of dms, I've had a lot of you guys reach out to me that you find yourself in marriages. And I just want to say, like, that is really hard. That is really hard, like, finding yourself in a marriage that the person that you love and that you're with and that you're in a covenant with doesn't stand where you stand spiritually, doesn't have the same relationship with Jesus that you have, doesn't understand you and can't love you in that way. And that is really hard. And my hope and prayer is that you have other godly women to come around you and to come alongside of you to pray. I would say your biggest step would be to pray for your husband. And then it talks about it in First Peter three to wives, win them over with the way you love and serve them, even without words. I think as women, we can a lot of times nag our husbands and be like, just, why can't you be better? Why can't you do this better? Why can't you do that?
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And.
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And that is never, ever going to put someone in general, not even just men, but anyone in a position to want to live up to that. However, if we pray and we intercede for them and we pray that they come to know Jesus and that God would allow them to cross paths with other godly men that can speak into their life. And then we just continue to respect and love and serve and trust that God is going to save them and reveal himself to them. That is the best thing that you can do. But I also just wanna acknowledge that that is really hard. And so we are. We are referring to when we talk about, like, when we said the word submission and when we talk about that word, we are referring to more of a general, like, healthy Christian marriage dynamic where the husband is the spiritual leader of the home, just to give that context.
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Yeah. And we don't do it perfectly. And we don't do it perfectly all the time. We are struggling in the midst of it. And it's okay. It's a beautiful journey. So if the. If biblically, the wife's call is to submit. Crazy, weird word. What we are talking about is this. Honor, respect. What's the man's call? The next verse. Husbands, love your wives as Christ loved the church. How did Christ love the church? He served the church. He gave to the church, and he died for the church. So what's the call of the man? Sacrifice, serve and die for your wife. Die to your needs. Die to your preferences. Die to all that is selfish within you and serve, honor, and love your wife. So the next few verses are to the man, which I would say is a crazier calling then to the woman. I think both are hard and against our nature. But there's this next turn of the verses that says, all right, husbands, you ready? You're about to come under your wife and lift her up. So my job is to take all that is beautiful and amazing and Maddie, and help draw out the most beautiful parts of you and honor you and love you and serve you and ultimately die for you. And that is a really crazy, beautiful calling that we want to live by. And so you see, it's both players playing their role in a way that's sacrifice and loving. And it's this love and respect. It's that book, Love and respect that what the wife needs most is love. What the man desires most is respect. And when you operate in that beautiful circle, it's God's biblical blueprint for marriage, which is to thrive. And it ends by saying, there is a mystery about marriage to the world. Guys, get this. This is crazy. Paul says marriage is a mystery that's proclaiming a different message to the whole world. He's like, and do you want to know what that mystery is? Your marriage isn't even about you. It's about portraying your savior, Jesus to the world. What does that mean? That's crazy that our marriage is not even about Grant and Mattie being happy, Grant and Maddie having a child or having the photo or all that. Our marriage is about proclaiming and portraying our Savior, Jesus to the world, which is, I want people to see our marriage and go, I want their Savior. I want their God. And the reason he says it's a mystery is this. Christ submitted to the will of the Father and sacrificed for us. That's the gospel. Is that Jesus in the garden of Gethsemane said, father, not my will, but your will be done. Jesus, who is equal with God, came under God's Leadership submitted to him and says, not my will, but your will be done. And he sacrificed for all of us. And that is the way in which we build our marriage on the foundation of love, sacrifice and service. So when you see the article or the title or whatever, we want to just tell you right now, like, our marriage is built on the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. And that is what we flow from. That's everything we do flows from that. And I'm connected to the source of love, God himself. And I can overflow in love out of that. And same with you. And that is the biblical blueprint for marriage. Submit. Weird, crazy word. Submit is a wild word, but it's in the Bible and that's why we were using it. And the way in which it's used is to come under the leadership of, of the man as the man comes under the leadership of Christ. And so as I follow Jesus, Maddie says, grant, it's an honor for me to be led by you when I'm not walking with Jesus. She's like, it's really hard to be led by you. And when I say be led by. There are no moments in our marriage where I'm like, hey, Maddie, we are doing this regardless of what you say. I would say majority of our day to day decisions. I'm like, maz, what do you think? She's like this. I'm like, bet, let's do that. And then I would say there's been moments in our life where I'm like, hey, Maddie, I want to know what God is speaking to you as well. I really sense we need to do this. And I'm like, hey, but if that is not what the Lord's speaking to you, we're going to talk about it.
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There's never a. I don't think we've ever, like. And Lord, forgive me if I'm forgetting, but I don't think there's ever been a time in our relationship or in our marriage where either of us have been like, this is what we're doing.
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B
Regardless of what you say. Yeah. Like that's just.
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A
We have, oh, every time if I feel something, if you feel something, we bring it to the other person and we're like, hey, this is what I feel. What do you think about it? For example, when we felt, when you felt led, like we were supposed to move to Waco and at this point we were engaged and we weren't even married yet, but you were like, I feel like we're supposed to move to Waco. Well, I did not want to move to Waco, Texas. And I remember being very, like, resistant at first. And he said, hey, listen, I will never, ever ask you to do something. Like, you know, like, I'm never going to make you do something. I'm not going to drag you to Waco, Texas. Like, if. If we're supposed to be in Waco, God will put that on your heart. Like, God will align our minds and our hearts in this way. And he was like, so I just want to ask you to pray about it. Like, will you just pray about it? And we. That is how truly we operate every time. Same with whenever we felt. When I. When I felt led, like, we were supposed to move to Nashville. When I first brought that up to Grant, he was not interested in moving to Nashville. He was not for moving to Nashville. And I remember feeling so, like, man, I really want to be in Nashville, but I'm not going to say no, we're moving to Nashville. Like, I'm making you move to Nashville. I wanted it to be something we both felt led to do. And so I kind of encouraged him in the same way of, hey, like, just tell me you'll pray about it. And then I prayed about it, and I was like, lord, if we're supposed to be in Nashville, like, align our hearts, make it clear, Open up doors that only you can open. And that is truly how we operate in our marriage. If you feel like something, like we're supposed to do something, or, like, even this pot, even recording this podcast, like, you were like, I really think we.
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B
Should address it on.
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A
And we should just, like, address this. And I was like, really? You think we. Like, do you think that would be helpful? Like, I don't know, like, it. Like, there's something in me that, like, is scared about that. And you were like, let's just like, let's pray about it. I really feel. And I was like, okay, like, I'll pray about it. And then I felt. I felt a piece to do it. And that is how we operate in our day to day is, like, we talk about things with each other. We honor each other's opinions and feelings and voice and thoughts and dreams and gifts. And we pray and we invite God into our marriage and into our decisions. Because ultimately that's who we serve. Like, ultimately, that's who we're living for. And we're living not for this life, but for the life to come. And so we make decisions considerate of one another, but ultimately saying, God, not our will, but your will be done in the same way that Jesus prayed Lord, not my will, but your will be done. We take, try to take on that posture daily of Lord, not what we want, not our desires, not our dreams, not our thoughts, not our feelings, but God, your will for our life be done. And not because we're like oppressed like the following. Jesus is the greatest decision that we have ever made in our whole life. I just want to say, like, the Lord's design is so beautiful and it's so intentional and it's for our good. And when I look back, even to creation, I've been going through Genesis. Like when I look back to creation and how Adam and Eve were created, you said this when you officiated a wedding, but I love that, that the man was created and then from the man, the Lord took a rib and created the woman. And you know, what is it that you say, like the, the rib?
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B
Yeah. Not from his head to topple him, not from his feet to be trampled on, not from his one other thing, but from his side to be near his heart, to be protected by, to be held by all that.
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A
And so, and that's how I view it is like a woman was created not to just like put on an apron and serve the man and whatever he needs. But it's this beautiful partnership, it's this beautiful companionship, it's this beautiful thing that, that God has designed that is intentional and amazing and incredible. And I think anybody that we know that we're friends with and that we're surrounded by and people we look up to that have a marriage that follow God's blueprint for marriage, that follow biblically, what does it look like to follow Jesus in your home? They have an amazing marriage. There is no, you know, the wife has no voice. It's just, it's beautiful. And that's what we've seen in our marriage dynamic. That's what we've seen in our friendships, that's what we've seen, seen in our day to day living is that God's design is beautiful and that, that he is a God worth following, that he is the ultimate leader, that he is the ultimate one that we want to serve and that we want to live for and that we want to love and please. And it's a gift to get to do so. And, and we pray that you get to know that God, if you don't know him.
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B
So all that to summarize and say. We wanted to take time to talk about it and we will be talking more about it and we are on this journey with you to tell you about a Jesus Christ that changed everything about our lives. And as we do that, well, and not well, sometimes, we are so thankful that we're on the journey with you and that you're patient with us in this. And so we wanted to make this. To talk to anyone that's been hurt. So thank you so much for your generosity, your patience, and your forgiveness in this with us. I'm going to pray for us and any last thing you want to say.
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A
Yeah, and I just want to say, like, our. Our heart is. We really just want you to know that Jesus, like, it's not for us to have these, like, fancy words or these, like, reels that pop off or like, I. I don't know. Like, now that I have a daughter, I'm kind of like, do I even want to keep podcasting? Like, I don't need to do this. You know, I genuinely want everybody to. I want you to know Jesus. And. And that's our heart in this podcast. That's my heart for this podcast is I want everybody to know Jesus. And for any moment that I've said something or done something that has felt confusing in. In that. Or has felt has kept you from wanting to know that Jesus. I'm sorry. I want you to know the Jesus that saves, the Jesus that loves, the Jesus that redeems, the Jesus that makes good of really bad situations, the Jesus that gives peace, the Jesus that is joy, the Jesus that is life and leads to freedom and life abundantly. I want you to know that Jesus, and I'm really sorry if we ever get in the way of that. We are imperfect, and I'm so grateful. We serve a perfect God, and that's why. That's why we serve him, because he's perfect when we're not, and he's patient with us when we mess up. And so, like Grant said, I'm just grateful for y', all, like, continuing to learn and grow with this and. And, yeah, and I'm thankful for this community. I love. I love the. The true crew.
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B
Love it. Love you guys.
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A
You gonna pray?
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B
Yeah, I would love to. Father, thank you for this day. Thank you for everybody listening. Thank you, God, that you are patient in our learnings, you're patient in our journeys. And, God, I pray that anybody that's been hurt or just confused and maybe distanced, Father, I pray that you would bring them to a place of peace and joy. And, Father, anything that we said that's not glorifying to you or of you, I pray that it would be forgotten. But anything that's of you Lord. I pray that it would just mend hearts together to love you more. We pray for everybody listening Father that there would be just a new joy today, a new peace today and a new smile today. All for your glory in Jesus name. Amen.
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A
Amen. So guys, thank you so much for listening to this episode and just we hope you hear our hearts and where we're coming from. We are learning a lot and we're actually going to talk a little bit more next week week and next week's episode. A lot of what we've learned this year and this is one of the biggest things we've learned and just not making comments lightly and trying to understand different people's experiences and interpretations and yeah and just continuing to learn and grow with you guys. So we love y' all and and we're excited for next week's episode and excited to continue to grow with you guys. We love you guys as always. Be sure to stay you and stay true.
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B
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