
Welcome back to the Dare to Be True Series on Stay True Podcast! This week, Madi sits down with her favorite people and BFFs Angela Halili and Arielle Reitsma from Girls Gone Bible! Madi, Ari, and Ang uncover a powerful conversation about purity,...
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Janine
Sexual sin perverts your entire mind. It confuses you. It blinds you.
Madison Pruitt Trout
How can someone who is struggling with sexual sin or who has struggled with it in the past fight that lie of I'm too far gone.
Angela
Every day. Search my heart. Help me. Yeah, I am weak. My flesh is weak. I need you.
Janine
Everybody wants to know what the line is. Everybody wants to know specifics. Masturbation is not okay.
Angela
I get in the Uber, I start crying. You have no idea what you did for me and Angela in that moment. Right after you said that, we looked at each other. We said, it's finished.
Madison Pruitt Trout
The better question to ask is not how close to sin can I get? But the question we should be asking is, how much can I glorify God with my life?
Janine
For us, the line is nothing. Yeah, the line is nowhere.
Madison Pruitt Trout
We're all really bad at texting and.
Janine
We'Re so bad at texting.
Angela
She gets 10 missed calls from me. 10, I think 10. 10 times. She goes, you call me 10 times? Are you okay? I'm like, yeah. Can you get your phone off? Do you not disturb?
Madison Pruitt Trout
What's up, guys? Welcome back to another episode of Stay True podcast. I'm your host, Madison Pruitt Trout, and I got with me two of my bestest friends.
Janine
Sorry if the giggles.
Angela
Are good.
Ari
Foot. Hi, Matt, it's Angela and Ari.
Madison Pruitt Trout
You've been on the podcast twice now. This is the third time.
Janine
Are we your first triple timing guest or what?
Madison Pruitt Trout
You actually might be, yes. I'm trying to think.
Janine
At least by the time we record, right?
Ari
Yeah.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Besides, I mean, obviously Grant, but everyone thinks this podcast is mine. And Grant's. Anyways, everyone comes up and they're like, you and Grant's podcast changes my life. And I'm like, that's so sweet. It's a cute podcast.
Ari
Featured Maddie Proo.
Madison Pruitt Trout
No, I'm kidding.
Ari
Okay. I love you too.
Madison Pruitt Trout
So much.
Angela
I love you.
Madison Pruitt Trout
I'm so happy. Thanks for coming back on the podcast.
Angela
Can't believe you have us on for a third time. I remember the first time did the podcast. I was sitting next to him. I was like, I can't believe I'm sitting here with you, my girl. Like, when we, when we first started our friendship, I just was like, because you're someone I always looked up to.
Madison Pruitt Trout
I love you guys so much. When we met, it was just like immediate. We're gonna do life together.
Angela
I know, I know.
Madison Pruitt Trout
I mean, we, we met, we went to dinner, us and Janine, and we just, we talked for hours and then recorded a podcast the next day. And I just was like, we're gonna do life and ministry.
Angela
I know.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Together.
Janine
Well, what's so special about it is like, we've never lived in the same place. So it's one thing to do a long distance friendship when you. You lived in the same place and then you have to be long distance. Like, it's so hard to cultivate a true friendship like when you've always been long distance.
Madison Pruitt Trout
We're all really bad at texting and.
Janine
We'Re so bad at texting.
Angela
Oh, no, you're the worst man.
Ari
No, I'm not sure, but feel better.
Angela
She gets 10 missed calls from me.
Ari
10.
Angela
I think 10 won 10 times. She goes, you called me 10 times. Are you okay? I'm like, yeah, I'm just. You. Can you get your phone off? Do you not disturb?
Ari
Okay.
Madison Pruitt Trout
I'm not a caller. It's really bad.
Ari
Yeah.
Angela
And I should be a better.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Yes, I am.
Janine
I like that.
Madison Pruitt Trout
I will send you a podcast of a voice memo.
Janine
It's my favorite.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Because then it's like so convenient. You can listen to it whenever you want. But like, what's hard about calls is like, sometimes, and this isn't at anyone, I'm just like, sometimes I'll get on a call and it'll be 45 minutes. And I'm like, I don't have 45 minutes.
Janine
You know, you're so mean.
Madison Pruitt Trout
But sometimes like there's like a 10 minute phone call. But like, it just depends on the moment.
Janine
Right, Right. You ever get anxiety because you know, like, you. It's going to be a long phone call and you don't know when to have it because you're like, I want to give this person.
Madison Pruitt Trout
That's how I like.
Angela
Yeah.
Janine
Yeah. I'm like, I can't do 10 minutes. I want to give you an hour. I want to give you everything. I don't know when I'll ever find that. So I end up never even giving them 10. It's like a bad cycle.
Angela
All day with my friends.
Janine
You sit on the.
Angela
It's my lifeline. My friends are my lifeline.
Madison Pruitt Trout
No, you're a good caller. You're just a bad texter. So I just need to get better at calling, and you need to get better at texting. You need to get better at texting, too.
Ari
Yeah.
Madison Pruitt Trout
This is our confession time.
Janine
This is our confession time.
Madison Pruitt Trout
You guys hold us accountable. We need to be better at texting. All that he said. We were such good friends. We love each other and Jesus so much. And I'm so honored that you guys are back on the Stay True podcast. And we are in a special series because my book, Dare to be True, came out, which you guys actually both got to write endorsements for, which was so sweet, and your words meant so much to me. So Dare to Be True is out. Defeat the lies that bind you. Live out the truth that frees you. And I thought it would be so much fun to have on some guests to talk about some of the topics that I talk about in the book. Of course, can't cover everything that's in the book. There's so much more practical things that are covered in the book. But I'm like, it would be so much fun to have on guests that I look up to that I love, that I adore and just talk about some of the things that are in the book and how it applies to your life and what you've learned through that. And so I'm real excited about today's. What we're talking about today is prayer. I would say besides the gospel, it's one of my most passionate topics and conversations. I get real fired up about it because it's changed my life. And so I'm very excited about today's conversation. But how we start these Dare to Be True series is we play truth or dare.
Ari
I'm so excited.
Madison Pruitt Trout
So we have this truth or dare game, and it sounds like way more intense than it is, because I feel like when I played it in high school, it was always like, ratchet, you know, this isn't ratchet. This is like a holy truth or dare.
Angela
It's not a Massachusetts Truth or dare?
Madison Pruitt Trout
It is a holy.
Ari
Truth or dare?
Madison Pruitt Trout
It's a Southern holy Truth or dare.
Angela
Okay.
Ari
Okay.
Madison Pruitt Trout
And there's going to be a truth. So you can pick truth, and there's going to be a dare, or you can pick dare. And you know, it's up to you if. Yeah. Which one you're feeling. So I ask you, Ang and R. Truth or dare?
Ari
Dare.
Janine
What are you gonna dare me to do? Do a handstand. I haven't done one since the second grade.
Madison Pruitt Trout
I was thinking about a cartwheel.
Angela
Really?
Madison Pruitt Trout
But I changed my mind. I changed my mind. Okay. So I'm gonna read on the card the dare, and hopefully it makes sense and you understand what we're doing. But you have cards. You guys haven't seen the cards. This is if you chose dare. So good job. You guys chose the best option here. And I also don't know what is on the cards. My team prepared this, so I don't even actually really know what we. So this is going to be really fun. Okay, this is heads up. Have you guys ever.
Ari
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Madison Pruitt Trout
This is heads up. One player holds a card over their forehead while the other player gives clues to help them guess the word without saying the word or rhyming. If they guess correctly, you move on to the next card. The goal is to guess as many words as possible within 30 seconds.
Janine
Wow. I love this.
Angela
Okay, this is fun.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Or we can do 45. Does 30 feel short?
Angela
Yeah, it does.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Let's do 45.
Angela
Okay.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Or we can do a minute. No, let's do 45.
Ari
45. Okay.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Then we're gonna switch players, and whoever has the fewest cards we were gonna have, like, you know, do some type of, like, consequence.
Ari
I don't know. I don't know if we're gonna make.
Madison Pruitt Trout
The consequence happen because it's kind of like. It's really funny and ridiculous. What do you mean, maybe?
Ari
Maybe. We'll see.
Madison Pruitt Trout
We'll see if we do that or not. But obviously the goal is if you have the most cards, you win. So the goal is to win. All right, so I. Should I start? Am I gonna start? I'll start. And you guys have to describe. And I have to guess what's over.
Janine
Okay.
Madison Pruitt Trout
My head. Okay, ready? Three, two, one.
Ari
No sex.
Angela
It's a ring.
Janine
No. Sex before marriage.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Purity contract. Wedding ring.
Ari
Engagement ring.
Angela
It's a ring. Yes.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Oh, yeah.
Janine
Your book. No, it was. No, I'm sorry.
Ari
I mean. No, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It was on her veil. It was on your Wedding veil. Oh, wait. Oh, my gosh. What was on my veil? Wait, wait, wait. That's one of the parts. Because it's so.
Angela
Yeah.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Worth the wait. Is that it? Okay.
Ari
E, E, E. I gotta get off the move. I need to get a move. Please. Yes, please. Yes. Fleet. Oh, you go to the Catholic church. You go to the Catholic Church.
Angela
I need to tell you something right now.
Ari
Stop.
Madison Pruitt Trout
No, the timer stopped.
Ari
Oh, I go to the Catholic church. Confession. Oh, wait, I. Look, why did I go there?
Madison Pruitt Trout
Okay, I think I got three.
Janine
All right, you guys.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Wait, no, don't look at yours.
Janine
Oh, sorry, sorry.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Okay, ready, set, go.
Angela
Oh, look at you.
Madison Pruitt Trout
You don't want to show. You don't want to show too much.
Ari
Modest.
Angela
Yes.
Janine
Modest era.
Ari
But. But keep going.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Like, how would you describe it?
Ari
Modest. No. Is it the same thing?
Angela
Yeah, yeah, just add.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Add one letter.
Janine
Modesty.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Yes.
Ari
Oh, like, not wisdom, but I can.
Angela
Tell in this person.
Janine
I can tell.
Ari
Another lay of wisdom.
Janine
I feel it.
Angela
Prophetic.
Ari
Yes. But like, that.
Angela
There's something wrong.
Ari
Dish our name. Yes. Oh, what she is. What we are doing for you as a friend. Maddie, look at me. Maddie, look at me. You know what?
Angela
I really think that you should not do that.
Ari
Oh, thank you.
Janine
Correction.
Ari
Thank you for holding me accountable. Accountability. Yes. Partners. Yes. Okay, time.
Madison Pruitt Trout
That was good. I think that was also 3.
Ari
Are you kidding me? That's all we got. I want to do more. Oh, my gosh.
Madison Pruitt Trout
So either you're about to beat us, or we're all gonna be tied, and then we all have to do the consequence. Okay, ready to shine?
Ari
I'm like.
Madison Pruitt Trout
I get really worked up.
Ari
Go ahead.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Ready? Three, two, one, go.
Ari
Oh, this is what you do in relationships. Me and John had really good talks.
Angela
Purity talks.
Ari
Yeah.
Madison Pruitt Trout
But when you don't want to cross a line.
Angela
Boundaries.
Ari
Yes. Oh, everyone is telling you to get on these to find out. Dating apps. Oh, Love, joy, peace, patience, hope. No.
Angela
Love, joys, Gentleman's holiness.
Ari
No, that's not right. What is it? Okay. Galatians 5. Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness. What are those?
Angela
Oh, fruits and spirits.
Ari
Yes. Oh, what you need to do when.
Madison Pruitt Trout
You'Re on Instagram and you're like, oh, I don't need to see that scroll.
Ari
No. When you make a guy break up, you don't wanna keep. Look back, don't look back. No, no, you wanna. You don't wanna follow them. You wanna. Wait, we all got three. We all got three. Okay, we all got three.
Madison Pruitt Trout
20 seconds now.
Ari
Okay.
Angela
Oh, you're mad to you first.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Okay, ready? One, two, three.
Ari
Oh, you know. Oh, we're blanket. Because we're alive in Christ. I knew. Dead to sin.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Dead to sin because we're alive to Christ.
Ari
Dead to ourselves. Yes. Yes.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Okay.
Ari
You know what I have to do?
Angela
You know what I have.
Ari
I'm saying, you know what I have to do When. When. When I stop Abraham and Isaac. Why did we do that? Why did we surrender? What? Surrender?
Angela
That was what I should have said.
Ari
When I gave me. You should have.
Angela
That was our fault.
Ari
Okay. That was wrong. Should we keep going?
Madison Pruitt Trout
That was horrible.
Janine
That was.
Angela
Okay, look.
Janine
Winners in the kingdom.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Fine. It's fine. My competitive spirit.
Ari
It's okay.
Madison Pruitt Trout
This is a good. I'm dying. I'm dying to myself. That's what I'm doing. Okay, ready? Okay, you're ready.
Angela
Oh, you know what you do when someone you know doesn't.
Madison Pruitt Trout
When it's a toxic person and you're like, we shouldn't be in a relationship.
Angela
You and he's. And he's texting you. What don't we do?
Janine
We don't give in. We don't break up with.
Ari
But.
Madison Pruitt Trout
But it's over the phone there.
Angela
It's in text messages.
Ari
No, you can't say that word. Next. Oh.
Janine
Oh, sorry.
Ari
Dang it.
Madison Pruitt Trout
It's over. Should we give her a one more pass? It was. Don't text me.
Janine
Oh, okay, one more.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Okay, let's do one more.
Ari
She goes, text messages. You can't say text.
Angela
Okay.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Okay, ready? Three, two.
Janine
You're doing great.
Madison Pruitt Trout
One.
Angela
What do we do when someone crosses a boundary? We have to. When somebody keeps pushing us.
Ari
Oh, no. The Lord says, above all else, do.
Madison Pruitt Trout
This because out of the overflow.
Janine
Out of the overflow, the mouth speaks.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Okay, sorry, I think that was a different verse.
Ari
No, you need to do this because everything flows from it. The abundance of the house. Yes, but we don't want. I need. We don't want anybody to hurt us. Dang it. Demons. Time I'm gone. The piece of surpass understanding will blank your hearts and minds in Christ Jesus. Come on, guys.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Okay, I tried. I think I mixed a few verses together.
Janine
You're doing great.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Oh, this is too good. We're not even going to get to the actual podcast.
Janine
We have to have things to do.
Madison Pruitt Trout
It's so good.
Ari
Okay.
Madison Pruitt Trout
We have things to say. Okay, ready? Our three, two, one, go.
Ari
Oh, this is good.
Madison Pruitt Trout
You need this in order to be all that God's called you to be.
Ari
Yeah, you need this.
Janine
Like, you know what? I'm gonna have blanks. So I'm gonna wake up early in the morning, I'm gonna read my Bible. I'm gonna do all this.
Madison Pruitt Trout
You the word of God.
Ari
No. Hurry up. Come on. Okay. Prayer, you guys. Come on. Relax. Dang it. Sorry. Oh, you say this all the time. I want to be holy. I want to be blank. I don't like the rest of the world. I don't want to be like this. I don't want to be in the world, but not of the world. No. Have you forgotten me? Have you bl.
Madison Pruitt Trout
People listening are like, I'm just being screamed at.
Angela
You know what?
Madison Pruitt Trout
You guys were all really bad at this game. That's what we learned. We all have a consequence, and I don't know what the consequences. You guys have to decide what our consequences are.
Janine
Consequences all being a bunch of losers.
Angela
I hate when I don't win.
Ari
Did I say that on a Christian podcast?
Angela
Lord, did you just call us all losers?
Janine
I didn't mean to. Sorry, Jesus.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Oh, my gosh.
Ari
Okay, well, if you guys haven't picked.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Up on what we're talking about today. Talking about, period.
Janine
That was a genius game. Sorry.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Wasn't so fun.
Angela
Yeah.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Thanks for playing with me, you guys. It was. I'm so glad you guys chose Dare. I love it was way better than, like, choosing a really deep question to start it off. It's fun because, like, this is a really deep conversation.
Janine
Yeah, we spent a lot of time.
Madison Pruitt Trout
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Madison Pruitt Trout
Okay, so we're going to be talking about purity. And I am so excited about this conversation because I think that our world and even our church oftentimes paints a false picture of purity. And we focus so often on having a clean resume. We focus so often on bodily action or inaction. We focus so much on don't have.
Ari
Sex, don't do this.
Madison Pruitt Trout
This is bad, this is bad, this is bad. And I think there's so much more to purity than that. And scripture is so clear. And I, and I talk about it in my book. I have a chapter dedicated to this. Because for so much of my life I was enslaved and I was addicted to pornography and masturbation. I did not know how to break free from sexual sin. I was bound by a spirit of lust and I didn't feel like I could get free from it.
Ari
Wow.
Madison Pruitt Trout
And we're going to talk about, you know, how I got free, how we got free from different, you know, sin struggles when it comes to sexual sin. Because I think so often we just think like, sexual sin is just sex. And so it's like, okay, let me just not have sex. But how close to the line can I get? Like, how, how can I dance on this line of impurity and still like be good with go? And I think that is just the wrong question to ask. We should be asking, how can I glorify God? How can everything that I do be bringing God glory in the way that I dress and the way that I talk and the things that I watch and the things that I listen to and what I do with someone that I'm dating and what I watch in my alone time and the books that I'm reading and all of it, it's like, what is, how are we pursuing purity not only with our body, but with our minds and with our hearts and with our eyes and with our actions and in our relationships. And so I'm so excited to have this conversation. And first I just kind of want to like open up the floor of us just being vulnerable for a second and kind of sharing like what has Yalls journey and story been like when it comes to purity and overcoming A spirit of lust or sexual sin, even if it was just, like, impure thoughts or things, you know, that I don't know. Like, I just think there's so much more to purity than often what we even give it credit. And the enemy has a hold on so many of our lives because we're, like, boxing it into one category, but it's leading into so many things. And it says in God's word, blessed are the pure in heart, for they will seek God. And so if we want to be able to see God, if we want to be intimate with God, we have to have a pure heart, and we have to be able to, you know, purify. Ask the Lord to purify our heart. And so what has that journey been like for you guys when it comes to purity and sexual sin?
Janine
Maddie, I love you so much. Thank you for having this conversation with us. Ari and I also love this conversation more than anything because it has also changed both of our lives. I think what's beautiful about this conversation is that you come from a really different background than Ari and I do. You've been faithfully walking with Jesus your whole life. That's not to say that you haven't made mistakes. Obviously. You just admitted that you had lust and addictions to pornography and masturbation. And then Ari and I come from a background of fully living in the world. So we did things as the world did. We did relationships as the world did. Ari and I have both lived with boyfriends. We've both been impure in our relationships. And it is a total whirlwind of a life when you go from fully living in the world and then having Jesus completely flip your life upside down and, like, being like, you have done everything backwards up until this point. But fear not, because everything is redeemable, including your physical body, including your spirit, including your emotional life. Everything is redeemable. So I wanted to start out. Can I just read a little out of Ephesians 5? So, I mean, we can talk about purity from the angle of sexual purity. We can talk about it from the point of view of modesty, just lust in. In general. We can talk about the other impurities in our hearts that have nothing to do with sexual sin.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Yeah, right.
Janine
Because there's many. And I think the most, like, profound thing in my faith journey has been like, I thought that. I thought that purity was only about sex. And it was so interesting when I laid down sexual sin, when I no longer was partaking in anything that dishonored God when it came to my Body. And then even in my mind, like, completely being delivered and stripped of all lust in towards other people and even towards myself. Because for me, it was a journey not only in how I, like, saw a man, but it was more so how I saw myself. Like, that's where my journey of purity really has taken root. But then on top of that. So when all of that's out of the way, God has taken me on the most incredible journey of purity in regards to my heart.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Yeah.
Janine
Jealousy, comparison, competition, ill motives. Pride. Pride. So much pride. Like, that's. So when I think of purity, I no longer even just. I don't even think about. I remember you used to always say this, Mads. You used to be like, purity is not just about sex. It's about your heart. It did not know what that meant until I got sex out of the way. And then I could finally focus on, like, sexual sin perverts your entire mind. It confuses you, it blinds you. And so when you are having sexual sin in your life, I promise you, you won't be able to see anything about God clearly. You won't have right relationships. You will not hear the voice of God clearly in a way that's not, like, contaminated with your own stuff.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Yep.
Janine
Like, we have to get that out of the way first, and then people will understand. Oh, my gosh. That's, like, not even the biggest of our worries. There's so much more than that. So Ephesians 5 says, Living in the light, imitate God, therefore, in everything you do, because you are his dear children. Live a life filled with love, following the example of Christ. He loved us and offered himself as a sacrifice for us. A pleasing aroma to God. Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place amongst. Among God's people. Obscene stories, foolish talk, and coarse jokes, these are not for you. So he talks about sexual immorality, impurity, greed, and there's so many other, like, impurities in the heart. This is one that I would love if we could talk about today. The obscene stories, foolish talk, and coarse jokes. Because as I've gotten, like, the big sins out of my life, this is actually, like, the tension for me these days is like being around people and hearing words being spoken and conversations being had that I know are impure and, like, not even fully knowing how to go about it sometimes and having this deep, like, heartbreak in my heart, even about, like, the words that we're speaking. And like the three of us here on a podcast who have a microphone I just truly believe that, like when you're given a microphone in your hand and you're put on a stage and you're supposed to be speaking words that point people to Jesus. I truly believe, like, we already know we're held at a higher standard, but there's something about having a microphone in your hand that like, you should be so aware of every word you say, even when people aren't listening. So like, I feel such a responsibility for the words that I say, for the purity and the things that I say. Like, anyways, that's a whole other conversation. But yeah, for me, when it comes to, I'll just start with like sexual purity and sexual sin. I've had a long journey with modesty and with purity and like, with all of these types of things because I come from the world, I come from impure relationships. I come from being conditioned by society that, like, sexy is good, like, you want to be sexy because you want boys to like you. And so I remember being like really little and starting to understand, like, this is good, like, this is the way you should present yourself. Like, this is what you should, this is where you should look for validation in. And so I start following Jesus and I'm like, so on fire for God, so on fire for Jesus. Little evangelist Ange running around la. And because I had no community around me, I had no God fearing people in my life, I was completely deceived by Satan, thinking that I could be a follower of Jesus and still be having sex and like, being very immodest, very provocative, all that stuff. And like, I look back at my own story and I struggle sometimes because I'm like, how, like, it's so weird. How can you be so. Waking up every morning, having quiet time every day, and then continuing to live your life like that. And it's just, I was deceived, I was in bondage. And Satan is so good at literally when you have sexual sin in your life. I truly believe that was the door that was open for him to completely blind me. I could not. I'd read the Bible and just skip over it like it meant nothing to me. My heart was so hardened toward every time God mentioned sexual immorality because I'm like, okay, like, that's weird, weird Christians. And then finally Ari will tell this story about how we met, you and Janine, and you guys changed our lives and that's what godly community does for you. And then I go on a journey of laying down sexual sin. I finally, I'm feeling convicted for a While, like, I'm realizing this isn't good. I'm in an impure relationship. We are having sex. I'm still dressing immodesty immodestly and, like. But I'm hurting really bad. I have a journal during this time where I was writing and I was, like, crying out to Jesus, saying, I am sick. I'm spiritually sick. I'm spiritually dead. I can't hear you. I can't see you. I know that you're here because I have this that I can rely on. But I. There's no spiritual, spiritual life in me. Like, I'm dead completely. Finally, I muster up, you know, the energy to have a conversation with my boyfriend at the time and be like, I can't do this anymore and I need your help. Like, can you do this with me? Can we both do this? And by the grace of God, me and that guy were able to, like, completely cut out everything. We didn't date for that much longer, but no reason other than just not my husband. But, yeah, it was so. It was so crazy and, like, it was such a beautiful journey of realizing that this was. This is the way I'm supposed to live. And I knew for a while, but I just never thought I'd be able to because I. Who am I without having sex in relationships? Who am I without being sexy? I don't know who I am. Do I Am I have any value with that? Because I honestly believe that I wasn't. And then, yeah, then I get to a place where I lay all of that down. But I'm still struggling with modesty. I'm still struggling with being sexy. I'm still struggling with wanting to be provocative. Because I thought it was good, Good. I really did. And yeah, it was a deep, deep, intricate, intimate work of the spirit in me. A lot of heart work, a lot of conversations with God about him being like, that's not who you are. That's not why I value you. And guess what? I'm going to send you a man who's so not going to value that. And it's going to change everything about the way you see yourself. So for me, it was a lot of, like, deconstruction, constructing, like, words that people said to me throughout my life. Being sexualized from my body, always being told, like, the great body, it's great. And so, like, paying attention to that. And yeah, I'm. Anyways, I'm going a million different ways. So, yeah, it's been a long journey and I'll hand it over to Ari.
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Angela
Angela and I, it's so funny how God put us together because we are the same. Like, we have the same. Such a similar story. Yeah. I'm really passionate about purity because it's. It's freed me. It's changed my life. It's saved my life. My journey happened so quick. I found Jesus. I met Angela. She introduced me to the Bible. Girls gone Bible. So I had to learn really fast. Like, God had to work through me really fast, probably. Was it four months after we started reading the Bible Girls gone Bible happened?
Janine
Yeah, a few months.
Angela
I entered into a relationship and I was still. I was living in sin, and all these miraculous things were happening in my life. I. My mind was getting renewed. It was like I was coming into the light. All these beautiful things were happening. But there was one thing that was keeping me from everything. And I say that in the book and we're on the podcast and all of a sudden everyone's asking, can you guys talk about sin? And I acted like it wasn't there. Like, we kept getting comments. We need, I want to talk about sin. Can you guys talk about sexual Purity. And I was like, no. Like, my pride was saying, you've been like this your whole life. Like, I'm not gonna change. Like, what do you mean? Like, so you're gonna tell me that I'm gonna be in a relationship and I'm just not gonna be intimate with my partner. That's where I found my love. And that's honestly where my identity was, was being intimate with my partner. And same as Angela, I was always told that without you being hot and sexy and all these things and having a hot photos on Instagram, what else are you? And so that was my identity. I didn't think I would ever be loved or wanted if I wasn't sexy or, you know, if I didn't have sex. Yeah, that's me being really honest. And so it was a lot of pride of me not wanting to lay that down, and then also a lot of shame and feeling like I don't deserve that. I don't deserve to. I. I will never be like those Christians. I didn't grow up like that, and I could never be as holy as that. But God is such a amazing, loving God that he doesn't let you get away with things. The closer you get and the closer I got, the more it hurt. And I couldn't. It was. It was crazy. I would wake up in the morning, I'd be in my Bible, I'd be in prayer, Jesus, I love you. And I had no peace. I was so sick. Thoughts started coming again. I think God really deals with us in processes. And there's so many things we do in ignorance, especially if we didn't grow up in Christianity. And he knows that, so he deals with us in process. So first I had to understand the love of God. And then as I was maturing, he was like, you're not going to get away with this anymore. I was in my relationship and there was no peace. I felt sick. Shortly after, I ended up going to, to church because I started praying about. I said, God, I need help. I don't know what's going on. I'm reading that sin leads to death. I really don't even know what that means. I need help. I need some guidance. I'm so embarrassed because now I have a podcast where we're preaching the word of God, but I'm living in sin. And how can I go to any of these Christians and talk to someone about that? I won't be accepted. They're gonna look at me like I'm crazy. I was so ashamed. I go to church by Myself, one Sunday, one of my favorite pastors, Tori Roberts, I sit down. All of a sudden, the. The war of temptation he starts talking about, starts opening up. How he battled it for years, even as a pastor. That one thing he couldn't get rid of. He got rid of everything. But he still kept going back to that one thing, which is sin. And to hear a pastor and to hear that type of honesty from someone I looked up to, I was sitting there, tears drilling down my eyes. I felt seen in that moment. That's why you always be honest. Because he will never understand how much that freed me. So he planted the seed. That day I got home, I got on my hands and knees. I started praying. I said, God help me, I know what I have to do. I know I have to let this thing go now. So me and this person end. We come to Texas, we have dinner with you and Janine. I am so full of shame. I sit down with you guys. You look at us, and you didn't know anything. And I still had one foot in and one foot out. I was still questioning it. I was still like, maybe I don't need to be like them. Maybe a little sin won't be that bad. I was. I was. This was literally in my prayer time, I was saying to God right before I came to Texas, I was questioning, right? How gracious is God to bring you into our lives? I will never forget this. I'm sitting across from you, and you just randomly say, you go, you know, you can't have one foot out and one foot in and call yourself a Christian, right? And I looked at you.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Sounds like something I miss.
Janine
Truth teller over here.
Angela
And it was as if a dagger just went. You probably had no idea. I'm sitting there. I go, this was. I literally just prayed to God that maybe, you know, and he spoke through you right in that moment, the whole dinner, I'm sitting there, I have such conviction in my heart, and I'm thinking to myself, I don't know whether to tell this girl off. Should I just tell her off right now?
Madison Pruitt Trout
Put her in her place?
Angela
I get in the Uber, I start crying. Thank you, Jesus, for you. You have no idea what you did for me and Angela in that moment. That's why it's so good to have good, godly people in your life. Right after you said that, we looked at each other. We said, it's finished. We're done. We're laying down our lives fully. And after that night, we did. So I thank you so much. I'm gonna cry because you have no idea. Praise Jesus. You doing that really. And so, yeah, that was the start of my journey. We laid our life down together, you and I, and it was so beautiful, and it was really hard. But I'll tell you that I always thought I had all these mental issues and I struggled. So much tormented in the mind. I can't even tell you how much it freed my mind. When I laid my life down, tormenting thoughts subsided. Sin leads to death. Now I get it.
Janine
Yeah.
Angela
I couldn't fully walk with Jesus. I was separated from. Because my judgment was so clouded, because I was a bondage to sin. I was a slave to it. And whatever you're a slave to, you can't fully focus on Jesus. And so now it was all making sense to me. And now all of a sudden, I'm living in. Like, it was. It was like I was a different person. I was living in the light. I was. All these things that I thought I was being tormented and all these mental things. I can't even tell you I'm gonna. I'm not. I. I struggle sometimes. Yes. Like, if I'm not close to Jesus, I have obsessive compulsive thinking. But all these things that I thought I had was because of the sin. When sin is when. When your flesh is leading your life, depression leads your life, anxiety leads your life, jealousy, all these things. And so now I'm walking, and I'm walking with Jesus and I'm running towards him, and it was hard. It was every day I was like, help me. And I had Angela. We were doing this. This walk together, and it was like I was. That's when I will say my journey really started with Jesus. It wasn't until I laid my life down and laid the sin down.
Madison Pruitt Trout
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Angela
You can't.
Madison Pruitt Trout
You can't. You can't have both. You choose one or the other. And if you love the world and the things of the world, it says in scripture, you're an enemy of God. It's literally impossible to be in intimacy with God if you're in love with the world and the things that the world can give you. And the enemy has done something such a good job and. And you were really speaking to this ang of like, really, like perverting this idea of what it is supposed to look like. God's design of being a woman and God's design of what does it look like to be beautiful before the Lord? What does it look like to be pure before the Lord? And what does it look like to have relationships that honor God? The enemy has come in and he's planted so many lives and deceived and tempted and all of these things. And you look at our culture and it is that message. It's like, I don't know how to feel valuable without a million guys hitting me up, you know? And I fell in the same trap. Like, even as someone, it's funny, I'm like, yeah, as someone who, like, grew up in the church, who like, had Bible believing, faith filled, spirit filled parents, like, as someone who knew who she was and Christ, quote, unquote, I was thirsty for the approval and attention of men. Thirsty. Like, I so badly wanted to be recognized and pursued and affirmed and, you know, whether it was the way that I was posing or dressing. And then when I got introduced to pornography because of a show that I watched while at a friend's house, like, then that started a whole nother journey which then led to shame. A lot of, kind of what you're touching on is like, especially when you decide, hey, I'm gonna do this Christian thing, I'm gonna like, tell other people about Jesus. Then you feel like, well, then if I ever get stuck in sin, I can't tell anyone because I've already told people I love God. So now I can't tell people that I'm like, in this relationship with sin because they think I'm in a relationship with God. And now I'm stuck. And now I'm in shame. And now I'm isolated and it starts this whole cycle. And it's just. It's wild because what happens is it starts with the temptation. The enemy dangles this thing in front of us. It starts. Starts with the temptation. And then it talks about in James 1, like, when. When you fall for that temptation and that desire is conceived and gives birth to sin, that that sin leads to death. Like, you're talking about. And Romans 8 says that the mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the spirit is life and peace. So, so many of us, which is what you're saying are. Is man. I just. I just want peace. Like, I just want. I want to walk in the will of God. I just want, like, God's purpose for my life. I just want to feel alive. Like, I just want to feel free. Like, we say these things, like, will I ever be happy? Like, we say these things, yet we're stuck in sexual sin. We're living with impure thoughts, motives, whatever it is, and we're wondering why we don't know our purpose. We're wondering why we don't have peace for our life. We're wondering why we constantly feel shame. We're wondering why we don't feel confident. We're wondering why. Like. And it's because we're stuck in sexual sin. Yeah, it's because we're. We're stuck in sexual sin. And the Bible is clear. Like, and here's where I wrestle, because I'm like, yes, all sins equal. Yeah, but the. But there is a. The Bible is very clear that there is a difference with sexual sin, like, there. And I'm not saying it's, like, way worse than all the other sins. I don't know. Only God can say that. What I'm saying is it's set apart from all other sins because it says all other sins a person commits is outside of their body. Sexual sin is. Is done to your body. It's inside. It's done to you, and it does something to your soul and your heart, and it creates these soul ties and this shame that really, like, nothing else does. And so that's why I think this is so important. And I've talked about on the podcast so much, and there are ang. Like you were talking about. There's so many different facets that we could go down. And there are a few topics that I want to talk about here because I want to touch on modesty. I think that's a really huge part of this. I want to touch on what we about talk, take in and what we consume, because I think that's such a huge part of this. I want to, you know, touch on community and all of those things. And so, yes, I want to first start with. Before we even get into all of that, though, I think what's really important to address is that purity does first start in the heart. If we don't understand that, like, our heart, it says in Scripture that like, out of, out of our heart, like, is how we, we will make our decisions from, like, what's kept up in, in our hearts. And so, like, we will live our life of what's inside. And so when you were having, like these moments with Jesus and you're spending time in his presence, you were constantly getting convicted. It's because your heart knew, like, there is more for you, there is more. And it starts with that, that posture of our heart. And so for you guys, like, how are you even now in following Jesus, in pursuing the purpose that God has called you to, and in living a life of pursuing purity and holiness, like, how are you able to continue to walk in purity? Like, what does that, what does your relationship with purity look like in the day to day? How do you keep a pure heart in all that you do? Like, you were, you were hinting at, like, you know, the jokes and the things that are being said around you. So this can be taken in lots of different contexts. But how are you able to keep a pure heart? And what does that journey look like for you right now in the day to day?
Janine
I mean, I, I just, I value purity so much more than anything. I want to be holy. Like, I really do. And it's not just something that I say. It's like what we talked about earlier. Like, it's, what do you want? Do you want to be pure? Do you want to be holy? Like, God is holy. Like, I have a deep, genuine, burning desire in me that, like, I care so much if God is pleased with me. And I think I spent a long time flippantly just not understanding the urgency of what he's called us to. And there was just so much compromise. And even the way that I spoke in cussing, in jokes that I would make, even in like, living in purity, but then still making sexual jokes or like, you know, I come from a background of like, we're both from the east coast, we. I had a very dark humor and like, yeah, I think there's just been, like, God has pressed in on me so much just about like, the things that I say in the way that I go about joking, because I come from a background of like, dark humor. And yeah, you just say things that don't glorify God. Right. And I just have spent the last year of my life with just like this deep understanding that, like, I'm called to such a high standard and I genuinely want to meet that so standard. And I think we can so easily fall into compromise when we just think, like, things don't matter. And it's like, everything matters. Totally. And it's not religious, it's not legalistic, it's not weird to care about if God is pleased with something or not. You know, Like, I, Yeah, I'm so careful about what I watch. I don't want. The other day we're on Instagram and we ended up on something that was like, whatever, not the worst thing in the world, but I literally stopped and I was like, I know this is kind of weird, but I actually have to pray. I don't like the images with that just went into my mind because I'm fully aware I'm about to go talk about Jesus for a week. I don't. I don't know where that's going. I don't want it in there. And so I prayed that like, the Lord would just like remove that if anything and that it wouldn't take root because I don't need to see stuff like that. I'm surrounded by people who love Jesus and who are holy themselves. And it helps me live to the standard of holiness where, like, I don't want anything dirty around me.
Angela
Totally.
Janine
You know, I don't. And. And like, what the. There's a worldly standard of just like living in the way of being. And there are things that aren't even necessarily that harmful or sinful and I still don't want it. And that's not religious. Like, it's so wise to be so careful what you speak and what you let in. And so like obviously like cussing and so swearing and like bad jokes. Like it. Scripture talks about, like, I don't want any of that in my life. And that's so helpful when it comes to lust. Yeah. I think it's been really interesting in my walk because I went from being extremely provocative to literally not struggling with lust at all. I. There is no lust in me because I've let Jesus absolutely crucify and kill the lust in me. And like, I've let him put my feet to the fire and the Holy Spirit and all consuming fire comes in the secret place and burns up that impurity out of you. And it's like hours upon hours upon hours of it in the secret place where I've let the Lord come and do a supernatural work in me to just remove all that dirt and that impurity. And it's from a. You know, renewing your mind with the Word and changing your thoughts, thought patterns of like, the way you used to think and the way you used to go about life. And I think another thing I'll say is, like, yeah, I'm obviously in a relationship, and I. I want to hear about you in a relationship as well and are what you've experienced, because I think so many people don't talk about. Everybody wants to know what the line is. Everybody wants to know spec specifics. How far did you go with your boyfriend before you got married? How far have you and John accidentally. Like, that's all anybody cares about. And maybe we could be the people who finally tell people what is okay and what's not. Masturbation is not okay. Yeah, it's not okay. There's so much confusion around masturbation. Some even pastors say it's okay. I know pastors who tell their, like, male discipleship groups that, like, masturbation on occasion is okay. It's not okay. And I know it's hard. We're designed to do. Our bodies are designed to do specific things that you can't do until you're married or that you shouldn't do until you're married. And I know it's hard, but it's more than possible because you have three girls sitting in a room who've done it. We've done it, and we've done it successfully. And I think what's been so helpful for me, the same as you, Mads, is we found really beautiful godly men who were pure and who did not look at us sexually. Yeah. John has changed. My boyfriend John has changed my entire life. He's been walking in purity for far longer than I have. And to meet somebody who looks at you the way that God looks at you and who does not value you being sexy, like, for totally. The line is nothing.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Yeah.
Janine
The line is nowhere.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Yeah.
Janine
The line is like, you don't do anything. You don't touch each other. You don't take each other's clothes off. You don't. You don't.
Madison Pruitt Trout
You don't get worked up.
Janine
You don't get worked up.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Yeah.
Janine
You know.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Yeah.
Janine
And so, yeah, we've had a long journey of. Because I think purity is one thing when you're single, and then it's another thing when you're in a really loving relationship where you're falling in love with one another. And I think that's what people don't talk about sometimes, y'.
Madison Pruitt Trout
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Janine
It's.
Madison Pruitt Trout
It's because you're flirting with sin, and you weren't designed to. Like, it was designed for marriage, but even in marriage, like, it's so crazy. I. I talked about on a podcast once before, and. And of course, like, it got posted on social media, blew up, got all these horrible comments. But what was it? In talking about, Grant and I were saying we had just got married, and we talked about how the enemy will do everything he can when you're dating to get you into bed together. And then when you get married, the enemy will do everything he can to get you out of bed. And he will do everything he can to disrupt your intimacy and disrupt your sex life and create division and create problems and complications and a lack of desire and all of these things, because that's how he works, right? Like, he's. He's a tempter. He's a liar. That's who he is. And so I've seen that in. In dating, like, Grant and I were very attracted to each other, and that was, like, a really hard thing. We had to fight. I remember we literally created. Created a purity contract, and I gave it to Janine, and I said, you have to hold me accountable. Like, every time I'm with him, I want to lay down on the couch. I want to fool around. I want to mess around. I want to make out. I want those things because I'm sinful, and I have a flesh, and it has feelings, it has desires. And when I listen to it, it always leads to shame, and it creates division in our relationship. But what I saw was when I pursue purity, even though that's the harder thing, it creates actually more clarity for our relationship. It creates more clarity for our future. When we were falling into sexual sin and temptation in our dating relationship, what happened was not unity. What happened was division. And what happened was then a questioning of, well, now I don't know. Can you lead me? I don't know. Like, can we do this if you're not? And so I've heard it said, if, you know, if you're not pursuing it in dating, then who's to say you're going to pursue purity in marriage? And so that's why it is so important to get a hold of it in singleness and in dating, but also to keep pursuing it in marriage because it doesn't go away. And you spoke about this. And then I want to ask you a question. You were saying, how too many of us are asking, like, how can we get as close to the line as possible? And I do think that that's a question that so many people are asking. And it talks about in Hebrews 12, it says, Throw off the sin and the weights that so easily entangle and run your race, the race that was marked out for you. So many of us are entangled with sin and weights and we're trying to run, and we're wondering why we're slow, we're wondering why we're getting nowhere. We're wondering why we feel so bound and weighed down. It's because you're not made to run like that. You're made to run light and free. And. And so what I would say is like, the better question to ask is not how close to sin can I get? But the question we should be asking is like, how much can I glorify God with my life? And what helps me run? What's going to help me run my race? Like, that's the question we should be asking. Not, I want to dance with sin, I want to flirt with temptation, but how can I throw these things off so that I can get as close to Jesus as possible? And I want to ask you now are, how have you been able to deal with? Because I think. I think a struggle that a lot of people face, right, is they give in to sin. And maybe like, sexual sin is a part of their story or maybe even their past, and they have this lie that they're believing of. Like, well, I already did it. Yeah, so I already did it. Like, I already sinned. I've already had sex, so what's the point now?
Angela
I hear that so much back home, right?
Madison Pruitt Trout
Like, it's like, okay, so I'm already, like, I'm a goner. I don't have my virgin card anymore. Like, that's a. That's a genuine lie that the enemy feeds so many people. And so I would love to hear from you. How can someone who is struggling with sexual sin or who has struggled with it in the past fight that lie of I'm too far gone and now, like, fight the lie of believing, like, I am what I've done, It doesn't matter anymore. And how can they fight that shame that they now are continuing to live in by believing that lie.
Angela
Yeah. Honesty. Do you know what honesty has done for my life with Jesus and for my. When I am honest to my friends, I know that I'm a sinner. And I know that I'm going to have lustful thoughts. And I know that temptation is going to come. I thought I. What God has done in my heart and how he has changed the desires of my heart is something only he can do, but that requires partnership with Him. I can't believe what he's done in my heart. I can't believe that I'm not a slave to sin anymore. And this is coming from a girl who lived in sin since I was just a kid, who thought, who had the same pride and ego. But I had to be really honest. And I still have to be really honest. And it's every day, search my heart. Help me. I am weak. My flesh is weak. I need you. And the way that you become strong is being in partnership with Jesus and keeping your eyes on him. And I know that I don't have to live in shame anymore. I know that I am brand new because that's what he says in His Word. I am made new. I am washed clean. Yeah.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Thank you, Jesus.
Angela
And I'm a new creation now.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Yep.
Angela
And it's beautiful. And holiness is beautiful.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Yep.
Angela
And what you think is a loss isn't a loss.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Amen.
Angela
He makes beauty from ashes. And the things that you used to like and desire, you'll look back and be like, how was I ever desiring those things?
Madison Pruitt Trout
Yes. So true.
Angela
But that's partnership with Jesus. And when you go in partnership with Jesus, you'll be like, how? Like, I don't. How was I living like that? But in it, honestly, every day, for me, it takes a lot of honesty because I want to live holy. But. And I do. But sometimes it's really hard. I am a woman. I had to go. I've been single for two and a half years. I've had to really be single. I know for me, with my purity, my purity journey, I had to go down a route of complete singleness. He had to take me on a route with just me and him. Because I had to be. I had to really understand Jesus. I, I, My flesh was too weak to be in a relationship. Yeah. So, yeah, just honesty. Confessing conf. Like I said in the last episode, confessing completely break. Shame. Jesus, help me. I want to hate sin. Help me hate it. And trust me, he will help me hate it. I want to love you more than I want to love that thing. I don't want to be in shame anymore. I don't want these thoughts. Help me. A prayer of honesty and asking for help. That's all you have to say to him. And trust me, he will get right to work in your life. So it's daily. Help me search my heart, make me clean. And it's community too. It's con. Like we are constantly on calls with each other. I'm having this thought right now. Help me. I want to do this thing. Is this right? Am I crossing the line? And I don't know if I'm going a whole different way, but yeah, I. I come from a place who lives opposite of the way I live now. So I have people being like, it's just a movie, it's just a show. Who cares? It's just a bar. No, I know that I can't do certain things anymore. I know I can't watch certain things anymore. And honestly, I don't even know how I was watching that stuff. Like, how was I actually watching that garbage? So it's like there were times and when I first started my journey that I was like, okay, I'm. This is too much. Like, you know, that's what the enemy wants to do who wants to make you, make you think. Like, oh, it's too much. But no, like those desires change. And holiness is the most beautiful thing in the world. And it's freedom. And it's light. It's freedom.
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Angela
Oh, yeah.
Madison Pruitt Trout
And. And I, I. There's so many things that you said that I. I want to touch on. And I know we need to wrap up the podcast soon, but I'm just like, there's. There's so much here that I believe is so important, because I think a lot of people are like, what's the point of purity? Is it really that important? Like, does God really care about it? Like, can I love God and still love this thing? Can't I still, you know, do these mess around with my boyfriend as long as we don't have sex? Like, can I still read steamy romance novels because I'm not watching porn? Can I still. And we find ourselves justifying sin, and we find ourselves in this endless cycle. And I just want this to be a place where so much truth is spoken, where it's. I want you guys to hear and see three girls who are not coming from a place of judgment, who are saying, hey, we've all been stuck in sin. We've all been stuck in sexual sin. And we all have different stories of what that's looked like. But every single one of us has the same answer of, it killed us. Like, it led to bondage. It wasn't life giving. And that's what the devil does, is he dangles sin, saying, it's gonna be pleasurable. It's gonna give you life. And what it does is it traps you and it kills you, and it doesn't give you life. You feel bound, you feel purposeless. You feel not yourself. And then it's like you start tasting purity and you see, wait, purity is a gift. Like, it's not something God's trying to withhold from us. It's not something God's trying to be. Like, you know, I'm withholding this pleasurable thing from you. Like, let's see how much you really love me. I'm testing you. It's like, no. He. He. Purity is to protect us.
Angela
He.
Madison Pruitt Trout
He calls us to purity because he wants to protect us, because it's a gift, because it's a beautiful thing. And because purity leads to the path of God's presence, like when we are pure, we get to enter his presence, we get to see him, we get to know him. Like you were saying, Ange, of, you know, when you are living in impurity and when you are stuck in sexual sin, you can't see God clearly. You can't. And then you definitely can't see yourself clearly. And so I, I am so passionate about this. And I want everyone listening to know none of this is from a place of judgment or condemnation. And it talks about in Romans 8:1, for those who are in Christ Jesus, you know, there no more condemnation. Condemnation no longer marks your life. However, it also talks about in scripture, you cannot be in relationship with God and be in relationship with sin. You can't keep trying to live this lifestyle of sin while also trying to live this lifestyle. God, at some point you're gonna hit like a dead end road where God's like, you can't keep living that way. Like, I've got, because I've got more for you. And it's, it's only to bless you. And so I want people to understand the point of purity. It's not, you know, it's not to withhold, hold, it's actually to bless, it's actually to give. And there's three girls sitting here saying like, it's actually been like the biggest blessing is, is pursuing purity. And so I now kind of want to shift gears a little bit and just touch on, you know, I, I talked about this actually on a podcast and also got a lot of hate comments. I'm like, clearly there's a lot, a lot of hate out there about the subject, which is fine. But I was talking about how as women we should be very careful in like what we put out and like what we portray and what we like. We don't want to cause our brothers to stumble. Like, we don't want to cause the men around us to fall into sin or to fall into temptation as much as we can control it. There's obviously going to be things that we can't control, like, and they have to duke that out with the Lord and figure that out with the Lord. But I have seen that so many times, like us women are so thirsty for attention from men that we are putting ourselves out there. And I've been a victim of this, of putting myself out there in a way that is causing men to stumble. And so I want to talk about that because I got so much hate of, you know, when I talked about that of other, like, women being offended by that because they were like, no, that's not women's fault. That's men. Men are horrible. Men are the problem. And, and men have issues, and women have issues. We all have issues. Because apart from Christ, we have issues. We are the problem. And I think we want to target men. Men are the problem. I'm like, no, we all are the problem apart from Christ. And so thank you, Jesus, for Jesus. And we need him in order to pursue purity whether you're a woman or whether you're a man. But I think we have a role to play here as women. And so how we dress and how we feel flirt, like, are we, Are we overly. Like, that was an issue for me. I was so overly touchy. I was so, like, you know, like, that was. I, I blamed it on. I have a friendly personality. You know, I was like, I'm just friendly. It's how I talk to everyone. And I was so flirty with guys, and I realized, like, that's not loving for me to be so flirty and to, to lead someone on or to, you know, give them this idea that now they're thinking this way. And, and so I want to ask you guys, like, how do you approach your modesty and flirting and all of that? Like, what is our role and responsibility as women when it comes to modesty and flirting?
Angela
Yeah, it's been a journey. Like, I just, every time I speak, I never want to act like I'm perfect because I'm still on the journey. I think as you were talking about, like, what's crossing the line of flirting? What's like, you know, I think I'm still on the journey, if I'm being honest.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Yeah.
Angela
I think glorifying God in the way I dress has. I just love it. I just, I, I, I, I honestly feel more beautiful when I'm, when I'm dressed modestly. But I do think I'm still on the journey of, like, what's right to do and how to flirt and how, like, I'm still on this journey. I have to be honest. I think this is why this is a really tough question for me. Even, like, earlier, like, let's just be vulnerable right now. And I'm still learning. I'm asking you for advice, right? I'm like, hey, Madison, dude, can I wear yoga pants? Like, I'm still learning because I feel like I'm still very new to this. I'm learning.
Janine
Yeah.
Angela
What do you think?
Janine
Yeah, I think that's such a good Answer honestly. I think I've had, like, quite the journey with modesty. I think for me personally, I. Yeah, I mean, it's multiple things. First of all, I think when you finally let the Lord break you, when you finally let him break you, for me personally, there was so much pride wrapped up in why I was still dressing immodestly, why I was still even on a podcast wearing crop tops and wearing this and doing that. And it's not even just the clothes, the look in my eyes, my countenance, just the way it's like a deep inner. It's like a. It's like it. It points inward. Like there's something in here that's causing the outward expression. And so for me, it was still this like, sexualization of myself that needed to die. Like, it just had to die. And it wasn't dying because one, I was in bondage and two, there was pride. Like, I wanted that because I thought that was good. And I think I finally got to a place of it's humility, it's genuine humility where I look at God and I'm no longer. I remember I used to be like, I. I'm like wrestling and I'm finally not wrestling anymore because I finally am like, okay, I. I was, I was doing that. Like, that was me. You know what I mean? Like, I realized self inflicted. It was so self inflicted and. Right. Like I, I'm a victim to Satan's schemes and I, you know, I was choosing these things. And I think one other thing is, like, if you. I know I keep going back to community, but it's changed my life. If you get into an environment, like. I'm sorry, I'm just gonna say it. Go into some churches in la, for example, no shade to anybody. Of course, I could wear a crop top to church. Everybody's wearing a crop top. And then finally you go into an environment where people are holy, they are like walking in purity and they are dressing modesty modestly. You don't actually have to try because it's so confronting being around these people. Being with you and Janine was confronting. You didn't have to say anything. I wrote that in our book that you. I was around girls who had something that I didn't. And it was so confronting to me that I finally was like, okay, I get it now. And I don't have to walk the line. And so. Right. I have to be honest recently. And you know what? The excuse I always used to make, I used to always say, ari and I are curvy. So it's not fair that we can, we can't wear clothes that Maddie and Janine can wear. Right. Because whatever. And I'm finally like, exactly the point. Some girls can wear clothes that I just can't wear. And that's okay. And that's okay. And I'm gonna dress accordingly. And I've been convicted recently. Literally wearing jeans on stage because they're tight and I don't know if it's right. And I'm. And I'm. And I'm working through this too. And I'm in real time. But all it comes down to is having a genuine, humble heart who wants to hear from God. And not just like a. I'm just going to do whatever I want. You know, he will convict you and he'll work and everybody's in process, so.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Good.
Angela
Can I just say one thing about modesty? I think PE especially, I've noticed with the, with the shows and the girls and stuff, I've noticed that girls in Christianity have felt like they cannot be beautiful. Like, and I'm so glad that we've kind. We're. I feel like we're kind of paving the way from that. Cuz we're like, listen, you can still be beautiful, but be modest. You can wear makeup and you can do your hair and you can be a beautiful woman. Modesty doesn't mean you have to wear baggy things all the time and not feel beautiful. So I'm just here to say that you can be modest and still be beautiful, still get dressed up, still do your hair and still wear makeup. I just have to get that out there.
Ari
Let me say something.
Angela
I hear people all the time making comments like, why are you guys wearing makeup? Why are you guys should. Aren't you fearfully, wonderfully made? Yes, but that doesn't mean that we can't be women who get dressed up and feel beautiful.
Madison Pruitt Trout
You know what?
Janine
I brought makeup wipes. Let's all take it off.
Angela
Let's all take it off.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Let's see the real filtered.
Ari
Yeah. For the.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Our consequence.
Angela
Do you agree with that though?
Madison Pruitt Trout
No, I do. I think. Here's what I'll say. I think that if something is a, like it talks about in Scripture, like if, if you're doing something that is not done in faith and it's a sin for you. And so if there's something for someone that they find identity in their makeup and identity and like their looks and, and everything is about what people see in. And I want to compliment on how I did my makeup and, and how I look. Then I would say maybe you should challenge yourself with a year of not wearing a makeup. I know people who have done that and I'm like, that's amazing. That's beautiful. Personally, that's not been a struggle for me. However, what I would say has been a struggle for me is like crop tops and even like wearing like nice brands and like getting compliments from people and having like a certain just like look and like a cool girl look or whatever it is, you know, and that's something that honestly like my husband, who I was dating at the time, called me out in and he was like, okay, sure, you can like from head to toe be in a cool puma jumpsuit. But like, what is that? Are people looking at you saying like, man, I want to love Jesus more. And I'm like, well no, but they.
Ari
Think I look cool. And then they're gonna talk to me.
Madison Pruitt Trout
And then they're gonna ask me anyways, I'm kidding. But I like, got defensive. But then I sat on it and I was like, yeah, like what, what am I communicating with? The way that I dress? What am I communicating and where am I leading people? With what I post? What am I communicating with? With what I say and how I talk and, and I love that you were pointing out the importance of godly communities. I think that's what, that's truly what changed my life. And it's what we all keep going back to, is the power of confession, the power of accountability, having godly people around you. Because when you're around people who are filled with the spirit, when you're around people who are in the word of God, when you're around people who want to live a life that pleases God and that is their mission and that is their hope heart, they won't excuse your sin or let you stay stuck in sin or won't let you live a life of like, mediocrity, like, oh, like that's eh, it's whatever. It's not that big of a deal. Like they're going to call you higher, like, hey, I saw this post that you made and I actually think that it's not very holy of you. And I'm not saying that to humiliate you, I'm saying that to help you. Because the call of God's on your life. And I actually don't think that that's like in line with the call that God has for your life. And I think when you have friends like that in your life that aren't Afraid to come call you out, but have the confidence and the spirit to be able to call you higher, to lead you closer to Jesus. That does so much more for you than the friends that are afraid to hurt your feelings, than the friends that are afraid to be like, oh, no, it's whatever. Whatever works, whatever you think you know. And it's like, no, I don't want it to be whatever I think. I'm like, what does God say? And, like. And it just starts with the small things. And that's the thing about sin, is that it always starts small, but it doesn't stay small. It starts with the small things, but then it keeps growing and it leads to other things. And so maybe. Maybe it started that way, but then it led to, like, well, then now I, you know, I start watching pornography, and now I'm addict to that. So now, then I'm, like, pushing boundaries with my boyfriend, and now I'm, like, idolized. Like, it just, like, leads to more and more things.
Janine
Yeah.
Madison Pruitt Trout
And so I've just, like, seen that be something I've had to really, like, fight off. And now you know, it is. It is. That prayer of what you were saying are of like, lord, help me to love you and hate sin.
Angela
I know.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Like, help me to be so disgusted by everything that is not of you or from you. Search my heart, and if there's anything in me that is impure, like, shine a spotlight on it, expose it, remove it, cleanse me of it, I want to be far from it. I don't want anything to do with anything that's not of you. And, like, being able to pray a prayer like that and then invite people in and be like, okay, I just prayed this prayer. Can you hold me accountable if you hear me gossip about anybody? Call me out. If you see me dress a certain way, call me out. If I post something that's like, even just the face I'm making is a little seductive, call me out. You know, like. And having those people in your life, it's a game changer.
Janine
Oh, yeah.
Angela
I've seen.
Madison Pruitt Trout
I've even seen you guys, and. And then my husband would say this about me. I feel like I grew so much right before I met you guys in that way. And I've seen you guys grow so much in that way, and your teachability, like, my. One of my favorite things about the both of you is you're so hungry to be holy, and you're so teachable. You're like, hey, Mads, like, is this picture okay to post?
Ari
Why have I been crying.
Madison Pruitt Trout
I've had both of you individually text me and be like, hey, I was about to post this, but like, actually, do you think it's okay?
Angela
It's a journey, right?
Madison Pruitt Trout
It is.
Angela
When you asked me earlier, like, talk about modesty and flirting, I had a moment of being like, I don't know how to answer that because I haven't flirted with anyone in two years.
Ari
Two and a half years.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Two.
Angela
You know that I haven't talked to anyone in two and a half years. I love that what he's broken off in me during my singleness. That's why if you're in a singleness season right now, it is a blessing what he's done only through my singleness and how he's grown me into this woman that is holy and modest. It was really only done through my me being alone with him cuz I couldn't get attention from others. I found it in Jesus.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Amen.
Angela
And so yeah, just take it as a blessing if you're in a single season. It saved me, you know, man, and.
Madison Pruitt Trout
When you know whose you are, like, you're not searching for it.
Angela
You're not searching for it or anything. Thirsty? No.
Madison Pruitt Trout
No. Because it says no. Truly, I'm like, it's convicting because it says in, in Matthew 5, 6. Like those who hunger and thirst for righteousness will be filled. When you hunger for the things of God, you will be filled, filled with the things of God, and then you're not thirsty for the things that aren't of God. Like you're so satisfied in him that you, it talks about in Psalm 63, I thirst for you, Lord. Like our soul thirsts for him. When, when you start pursuing him more and more and you make him your everything, you want more of him. And then you become so dissatisfied with the things of this world.
Angela
That's what it is.
Madison Pruitt Trout
And I, man, I'm so grateful for this conversation and I really pray, I'd actually love for, for you guys to pray. Just a quick little prayer because I know we're going over time, but I just, I, I, one I want to say, like if you're stuck in sexual sin and this is where you find yourself right now, and you feel conviction because there's two different, there's two different things here, okay? There's, there's conviction and there's shame. One's from God and one's from the enemy. And conviction. If you're feeling your heart racing right now and you're like, I know there's more for My life. I know that I'm called to be in deeper intimacy with Jesus. I know that this thing I'm in relationship with that is called sin is pulling me further away from God, pulling me further away from my purpose and keeping me from my true God given identity. And I need to break up with it. I need to end my relationship with sin. If you're feeling that tug on your heart, know that it's from the Lord. If you're feeling in any way condemnation or shame, that says, I am what I've done, I'm too far gone. God could never love me. God could never use me. There's no point of pursuing purity now. I want you to say, I mean, I want to tell you that is a lie from the enemy. And he, he, there's this, there's this passage in scripture in Zechariah 3 where Satan is before Jesus and then there's Joshua and Satan is pointing at Joshua and Joshua's clothed in filthy garments and Satan is sitting there accusing Joshua, you're filthy, you're filthy, you're filthy. And I just see that as a picture of what he does to us so often is we feel like we're clothed in these filthy garments. And he's just saying, you're feeling filthy, you're filthy, you're too far gone. No one could ever love you, no one could ever want you. What's the point now? And it's this beautiful picture because it says that the Lord, he, He then clothes Joshua in these white robes and he's made pure and he's made blameless. And that's what the Lord wants to do for you. Your story isn't over. The Lord wants to clothe you in purity. The Lord wants to clothe you in righteousness and in holiness. And when he does, you will find so much life and peace and purpose in the life you were made to live. And man, I just, I so believe in this. I'm so grateful for the both of you and the example that you set, as it talks about in First Timothy, like set an example for others and your speech and your conduct and your love and your faith and in your purity, you guys are doing that. And I'm just proud to, to, to have like accountability like you guys and to be on this journey of, of learning and growing together. And yeah, I just, I, I really want everybody listening. Like, no matter where you're at with this, like, there's always room to grow and we're always going to be growing and learning like you guys have said. So I'd love for you guys to just close us in prayer as we end this podcast.
Janine
Okay. Thank you. Yeah, God, thank you. Thank you, Jesus. Lord, we thank you. As Maddie was talking about how, you know, we're. We're clothed in purity, we're clothed in righteousness. I thank you, Jesus, for all that you had to do so that we could be clothed. You clothed us. There's so many ways in which you clothed us. He who had no sin became sin so that we could become his righteousness. You clothe us in your righteousness. God, I thank you that you were literally hung naked on the cross so that we could be clothed in your righteousness.
Angela
You.
Janine
There was a transfer that took place on the cross. I just thank you that shame has no place here. I thank you that there truly is no condemnation for those of us who are in Christ Jesus. Lord, I thank you for the example that you made out of Ari and I about with two girls who were literally having sex, not walking in purity, who you pour your favor out on their Bible podcast to make an example out of the scandalous grace of God. I thank you, God, that your grace is offensive and it's scandalous and it doesn't make any sense. I thank you, Lord, that whoever is under the sound of my voice right now, who's living in sin, who's living in impurity, their life is full of and driven by sin, I think. Thank you, Lord, that now, right now is the moment for their freedom, for their deliverance, for. For their freedom from shame, from it. God, it's not just the sin that they're being delivered from. It's the bondage of shame that's going as well. So, God, we pray over every single person listening in Jesus name that they would be completely set free from the bondage of sin in this very moment. I thank you, God, for your oil. Oil, the oil of heaven, the anointing that breaks the yoke of bondage. I thank you for your precious oil that goes through the computer screen or the phone into their lives, into their hearts, and all over their body. We plead the precious blood of Jesus over your sons and your daughters listening, that they would be washed clean, that the stain of guilt and shame and sin would be removed completely. I thank you, Lord, that it's not just a spiritual act of being made white as snow, but it's an emotional cleansing, too. It's an emotional cleansing. I pray, God, that you'd. You'd cleanse their consciousness, you'd cleanse their minds, you'd cleanse their hearts. And yeah, God, I just pray, Holy Spirit that you would be that all consuming fire and that you'd burn up all that's not of you and you set their hearts ablaze for the things of the of God. And I pray for every single one of us that we would be holy as you are holy in Jesus name. Amen.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Amen. So good. I love you guys so much.
Janine
Love you Max.
Madison Pruitt Trout
Oh man, I feel like I went to church. I am so grateful for this conversation and I will include the link to my book on this podcast. I forgot what I was saying. I was like on this podcast on the YouTube wherever you're watching it and so you guys can go and check it out if you want to read the book and read more about how you can get free from the lies and get free from sexual sin and all the things because God has more for your life. As always guys, be sure to stay you and stay true. We love you.
Angela
Thank you.
Ari
Love you.
Angela
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Airdate: September 22, 2025
In this deeply personal and candid episode, host Madison Prewett Troutt is joined by Angela and Ari from Girls Gone Bible to discuss a topic often misunderstood or shamed in Christian circles: purity and modesty. The trio dives into what biblical purity actually means—far beyond abstinence from sex—unpacking their own journeys out of shame, addiction, and cultural confusion. Through stories, scripture, vulnerable moments, and practical advice, they aim to offer hope, challenge, and a path to freedom for anyone wrestling with sexual sin, shame, or questions about living "set apart" in a culture that often pulls in the opposite direction.
Purity is holistic—not just about actions, but heart posture, motives, thoughts, and what we consume.
“We focus so often on bodily action or inaction...but there is so much more to purity than that. Scripture is clear…Purity is not only with our body but with our minds, hearts, eyes, actions, and relationships.”
— Madison (16:32)
Purity is not about having a 'clean resume', but about seeking God.
"The better question is not 'how close to sin can I get?' but 'how much can I glorify God with my life?'"
— Madison (26:26, 52:53)
Madison shares her addiction to pornography and masturbation, and breaking free from shame.
Angela & Ari describe coming from a non-Christian, worldly lifestyle—living with boyfriends, being sexually active, and finding identity in being "sexy"—to radical transformation through Christ.
“You have done everything backwards up until this point. But fear not, because everything is redeemable, including your physical body, including your spirit, including your emotional life. Everything is redeemable.”
— Janine (Girls Gone Bible) (18:53)
“My journey happened so quick. I found Jesus, met Angela, she introduced me to the Bible. Girls Gone Bible happened. I had to learn really fast.”
— Ari (29:20)
Shame keeps people isolated, especially when sin is 'supposed' to be conquered by Christians.
Confession and godly community break the cycle and help in practical pursuit of purity.
“Community has changed my life. If you get in an environment...where people are holy and are dressing modestly...it’s so confronting that you finally get it."
— Angela (69:50)
Madison's honesty freed Ari and Angela:
“You have no idea what you did for me and Angela in that moment. Right after you said that, we looked at each other. We said, it's finished. We're done. We're laying down our lives fully. And after that night, we did.”
— Ari (35:32)
Cultural confusion: Many Christians ask, "How far can I go?" rather than "How holy can I be?"
No room for "just a little sin":
“The line is nothing. The line is nowhere. You don't do anything. You don't touch each other. You don't take each other's clothes off…”
— Janine (49:12)
Masturbation is addressed explicitly:
“Masturbation is not okay.”
— Janine (46:15)
Modesty is a journey, not a binary choice.
“I honestly feel more beautiful when I'm dressed modestly…But I do think I'm still on the journey of what's right to do and how to flirt…I have to be honest, I think this is why this is a really tough question for me.”
— Angela (66:49)
Responsibility to not cause others to stumble:
“We should be very careful in what we put out… We don’t want to cause our brothers to stumble… I’ve been a victim of putting myself out there in a way that is causing men to stumble.”
— Madison (63:17)
Modesty doesn’t mean “frumpy” or less beautiful:
“You can still be beautiful, but be modest… Modesty doesn’t mean you have to wear baggy things all the time and not feel beautiful.”
— Angela (70:53)
Redemption is always possible:
“Everything is redeemable, including your physical body, including your spirit, including your emotional life.”
— Janine (18:53)
On fighting shame:
“Honesty. Do you know what honesty has done for my life with Jesus?...It’s every day, search my heart. Help me. I am weak. My flesh is weak. I need you.”
— Angela (56:22)
Conviction vs. Shame:
“There’s conviction and there’s shame. One’s from God and one’s from the enemy...If you feel condemnation or shame—that says 'I am what I’ve done, I’m too far gone, God could never love me'—that is a lie from the enemy.”
— Madison (77:43)
Singleness is a blessing: Seasons of singleness are crucial for building identity, healing, and holiness.
“If you’re in a single season right now, it is a blessing.”
— Angela (76:31)
Transformation is possible:
“What you think is a loss isn’t a loss. He makes beauty from ashes. And the things that you used to like and desire, you’ll look back and be like, how was I ever desiring those things?”
— Angela (57:53)
On holding both honesty and hope:
“I’m not a slave to sin anymore. And this is coming from a girl who lived in sin since I was a kid, who had the same pride and ego. But I had to be really honest. And I still have to be really honest. And it’s every day, search my heart. Help me. I am weak. My flesh is weak. I need you.”
— Angela (56:22)
On what community really means:
“When you have friends in your life that aren’t afraid to hurt your feelings—they’re going to call you higher—like, ‘Hey, I saw this post…and I think that’s not very holy of you. I’m not saying that to humiliate you; I’m saying that to help you.’”
— Madison (73:06)
On shame and forgiveness:
“There truly is no condemnation for those of us who are in Christ Jesus…your story isn’t over. The Lord wants to clothe you in purity.”
— Madison (77:43)
| Time | Segment | |-------------|--------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:49 – 01:15 | Opening on sexual sin, blindness, and fighting “too far gone” | | 02:08 – 04:47 | Friendship, building community, starting the series | | 16:08 – 18:43 | Introduction to purity—beyond sexual abstinence | | 18:43 – 23:24 | Personal stories—Angela & Ari share their pre-Christ backgrounds | | 29:20 – 36:36 | Ari’s journey, the turning point of confession, accountability | | 38:32 – 43:54 | Why purity matters, differences between sexual and other sins | | 43:54 – 49:40 | Day-to-day pursuit of purity, boundaries, and heart posture | | 49:40 – 55:44 | Purity in marriage, setting boundaries, fighting for holiness | | 55:44 – 58:05 | Overcoming shame, “I am what I’ve done” and redemption | | 63:17 – 66:49 | Modesty, our influence, why it’s a journey | | 70:53 – 73:08 | Modesty & beauty—being set apart is not “frumpy” | | 77:43 – 83:13 | Conviction vs. shame, final encouragement, closing prayer |
“We pray over every single person listening, in Jesus’ name, that they would be completely set free from the bondage of sin…that it’s not just a spiritual act of being made white as snow, but it’s an emotional cleansing too.”
— Janine (80:16)
“As always guys, be sure to stay you and stay true.”
— Madison Prewett Troutt (83:49)