Getting Fits, Getting Fit (w/ Andrew Chen)

Summary

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Staying Alive with Jon Gabrus & Adam Pally

Episode: “Getting Fits, Getting Fit” (w/ Andrew Chen)
Date: December 25, 2025
Network: SmartLess Media

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Episode Overview

Jon Gabrus and Adam Pally are joined by Andrew Chen, founder of the cult-favorite menswear brand 3sixteen, for a lively, vulnerable, and candid exploration of health, fitness, aging, and style. Together, they dive into the intersections of running a business, prioritizing wellness after 40, building community through running, and how fashion can empower self-care. Interspersed with laughter and personal stories, this episode is as much about the practicalities of midlife health as it is about the mindset shifts required to “stay alive.”

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Breakfast, Fasting, and Wellness Rituals

• The hosts open by discussing their sometimes-confusing wellness routines.
• Adam Pally is trying intermittent fasting but admits he’s already feeling “the ketosis or whatever” and hunger pangs.
• Jon Gabrus shares his approach to breakfast: “I try to make breakfast like a guaranteed healthy meal every day. So it's either yogurt and berries with some nuts in there and maybe some protein powder or like hard boiled eggs and fruit.” (00:34)
• There's shared confusion over conflicting health advice: “Are you supposed to eat breakfast? Like no one will answer this for me.” – Adam (01:02)
• They all agree that after 40, maintaining stability takes conscious effort: “Now you need to do so much to just feel at zero, to be at, like, default.” – Gabrus (04:19)

2. Midlife Mindset Shift

• Andrew Chen emphasizes the reality of starting his wellness journey at age 40, and the slow realization that positive changes, while not always visible, are necessary for maintenance:

  “I started making changes at 40 and I'm feeling like I'm still falling apart right now... but then I feel like if I wasn't making changes, how bad would it be?” (04:41)

• The group bonds over the feeling of “just staving off” decay, not always actively improving.

3. Running a Small Business (and Yourself) as a Boss

• Adam highlights the “self-imposed pressure” of entrepreneurship and the challenge of drawing work-life boundaries, even when they technically could:

  “I've made some changes already. Like there are days where I'll walk, roll into the office at noon because I'll wake up, I'll knock out some emails, I'll go for a run, I'll come back, I'll cook breakfast and I'll just take my time. And that feels good. But I feel like I'm doing something bad when I do it.” – Andrew (26:44)

• Gabrus notes all three are their “own bosses,” but being your own boss can breed a lack of grace:

  “Turns out I'm a dick boss… I'm very hard on myself.” (26:51)

4. Running as Transformation: From Gym Class Trauma to Community

• Andrew recounts his journey from “the overweight kid in gym class” who hated running to someone who runs half-marathons and organizes community run clubs:

  “I started running three years ago, which is very strange for me… I grew up hating running as the overweight kid in gym class.” (12:00)

• The group commiserates about the pain of “mile day” in school and the lack of coaching or encouragement from teachers.
• Running has become a way to clear his head, detach from his phone, and build community—especially meaningful in adulthood when meeting new people is harder.

  “I met a lot of really cool people just showing up on Wednesdays over and over again… Getting to know them and them asking me questions.” (30:51)

5. 3sixteen: From Denim to Activewear and Community-Building

• Adam and Jon both fawn over the fit and ethos of 3sixteen, with Adam describing Chen’s style as “one of my, like, Mount Rushmore pillars” (02:23).
• The brand’s launch into activewear led to hosting community run clubs and “unsanctioned races,” unique events that blend running culture with 3sixteen’s design sensibility:

  “The rule was if you want to, you run this open streets course in downtown New York and you have to wear 100% cotton jorts.” – Andrew (33:00)

• Andrew notes:

  “Now in the summer runs we pull like 150 people. It's crazy. So like word got out…You get to talk to people, meet people at the brand, and all of that culminated this past November where we threw our first unsanctioned race.” (32:09)

6. Finding Balance, Accepting Non-Linear Progress

• All three emphasize the value of stacking small wins, and not measuring health, business, or personal growth by a straight line:

  “What's. What Coach Josh told me was like, fitness is not linear, and life in general and careers are not linear.” – Andrew (38:25)

• Gabrus reflects:

  “You’ll be dialed in for, like, three months, and then you'll have, like, a week bender that blows it. And then you're like, I'm a fat pig again. It's like, no, you're. There's no way you are.” (39:21)

7. Style, Representation, and Self-Confidence

• Adam expresses appreciation for how 3sixteen’s clothes are designed with a range of body types in mind, making him feel seen as someone who “was a circle” and struggled to find denim that fit:

  “The cool thing about your brand is you change, you evolve, but it is consistent. I've never walked into your store...and you're like what is this?” (36:31)

• The hosts share how fashion, like health, is about evolving while remaining true to an authentic core.

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Notable Quotes

• Andrew Chen on changes post-40:
  “I started making changes at 40 and I'm feeling like I'm still falling apart right now. No, no, no, no, no, no. But then I feel like if I wasn't making changes, how bad would it be?” (04:41)

• Adam Pally on self-talk and progress:
  “Imagine how bad it would be if I wasn't doing this... is the ethos of every single interaction that I have with food and exercise.” (04:56)

• Jon Gabrus on grown-up wellness:
  “I am a better partner, a better employee, a better comedian. When I am exercising. There's a little level of confidence that comes with it too.” (27:55)

• Andrew on run clubs/community:
  “I met a lot of really cool people just showing up on Wednesdays over and over again and, you know, getting to know them and them asking me questions like, why are clothes so expensive?” (30:48)

• Andrew on non-linear growth:
  “Fitness is not linear, and life in general and careers are not linear... you have to keep working... you're stacking even though you might not see it.” (38:25)

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Andrew’s NYC Marathon Recap (Follow-Up Segment)

(44:07–51:33)

• Andrew returns to share his NYC Marathon experience—both the grueling training (first time over a half marathon distance) and how everything went awry on race day:

  “I really wanted to respect the distance and not let it dominate me, and I wanted to be prepared. And guess what? I got dominated.” (44:07)

• Struggled with side stitches at mile 1.5, hamstring cramps at mile 7, and had to stop several times, but finished the race:

  “It was dark because I was in pain, and I wasn't sure if I'd be able to finish…My hamstring fully cramped up…stretched for five minutes…hobbled the rest of the way…But you did it.” (47:28–48:27)

• The emotional takeaway: even if your experience is “ugly,” it counts:

  “You ran a bad race and fucking beat it. That's fucking crazy, dude.” – Jon (48:50)

• Andrew teases new 3sixteen x Saucony collab sneakers coming in March (“a Staying Alive exclusive!”) (51:02).

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Structure & Flow with Timestamps

• 00:34: Jon on breakfast and diet routines
• 01:02: Adam questioning conflicting nutrition advice
• 04:19–05:11: Turning point at age 40, accepting maintenance
• 09:22–10:14: Morning ritual: the only way to ensure workouts
• 12:00–14:33: Andrew’s traumatic gym class past and becoming a runner
• 21:44–25:00: Gabrus and Andrew on half-marathons and travel running
• 26:44–27:55: Self-imposed pressure and being your own (harsh) boss
• 30:25–33:19: Building running community, run clubs, being vulnerable
• 38:25–39:14: On progress being non-linear, both physically and in business
• 44:07–51:33: NYC Marathon follow-up: struggle, pain, and perseverance
• 51:02–51:33: Announcement: new sneaker collab coming soon

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Memorable Moments

• Jorts Race Anecdote:
  “The rule was if you want to, you run this open streets course in downtown New York and you have to wear 100% cotton jorts.” – Andrew (33:00)

• On Being “Cool” Growing Up:
  “Were you always cool?” – Adam; “No.” – Andrew (14:39)

• Comedic banter on “come gutters” and “stand alive” promo codes (36:13–36:31)

• Adam’s bar mitzvah mixtape story ending in Rage Against The Machine controversy (16:59–17:21)

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Takeaways for Listeners

• Making wellness a priority after 40 is often more about maintenance than improvement—but that work is vital.
• Fitness and personal growth are non-linear; resilience and self-compassion are essential.
• Finding community, whether through running clubs or fashion, is especially valuable in adulthood.
• Fashion can empower confidence at any size, and authenticity in style (or business) is key.
• Even grueling, disappointing experiences (like a tough marathon) are valid and formative.
• There’s no one-size-fits-all approach to “staying alive” – it’s about experimenting, adjusting, and extending yourself grace.

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[Get that workout in! – as Jon and Adam now say to listeners]

Transcript

[Adam Pally]

Smart.

[Andrew Chen]

Last medium.

[Adam Pally]

Hey, how you doing?

[John Gabris]

I'm all right. I'm all right. How are you?

[Adam Pally]

You okay? Never better.

[John Gabris]

Is there something resonating with you currently?

[Adam Pally]

No, I was just taking a little.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Rosebud Baker hitting the elf bar.

[Adam Pally]

I've intermittent fasting a little bit and didn't eat this morning. So I'm starting to feel the like ketosis or whatever. It's like I'm starting to feel like I need to eat something.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, I'm hungry right now.

[Adam Pally]

Or it's like I should eat something.

[John Gabris]

I had some yogurt and blueberries and then I put a little protein powder in my yogurt and whip it up to add a little extra protein and give it a little flavor.

[Adam Pally]

Nice. Yeah, that's good. Are you supposed to eat breakfast? Like no one will answer this for me.

[John Gabris]

I don't know if there's any supposed to. This is a good qu. This is something to keep on our mind for when we have like a nutritionist.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

I asked.

[Adam Pally]

I asked both the immunologist and the.

[John Gabris]

The nutritionist. The nutritionist.

[Adam Pally]

Both of them had conflicting answers.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, well, I think it's a case by case scenario. Like I enjoy eating breakfast because it lets me get my vitamins into. Cause I have a hard time taking them on an empty stomach.

[Adam Pally]

That's true. And I'm for my medicine. My medication. I. It's tough.

[John Gabris]

So. And. But I tried also. What I try to do is I try to make breakfast like a guaranteed healthy meal every day. So it's either yogurt and berries with some nuts in there and maybe some protein powder or like hard boiled eggs and fruit.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

Like that's all I will eat for breakfast when I'm making it at home. Just so I start my day on the right.

[Adam Pally]

And then what's the next thing you eat?

[John Gabris]

Whatever the fuck I get now I try. The next thing eat is like leafy greens and protein. But like the next thing will be lunch at some point.

[Adam Pally]

Right.

[John Gabris]

But. And then. But sometimes, you know, your schedule is a little weird. It's like I got an 11 o' clock podcast. I won't get out till like 2:30. I can't go till 3 without eating. So I got to have something.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, sure, of course that's. But. But it's all a fucking mess.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. It's not easy.

[Adam Pally]

Life is. Life is a mess anyway.

[John Gabris]

You know what is easy? Talking to Andrew Chen.

[Adam Pally]

He's the best. Truly one of my style. Like there's like people. I feel like I. Some people will Say to me, like, oh, I like your style. And my style is truly an amalgamation of, like, three or four dudes. And this is one of my, like, Mount Rushmore pillars.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. If you're just listening to this episode, tune in the YouTube to see what Adam's saying, because they are dressed kind of similar. You'll see shortly, truly.

[Adam Pally]

And it's only from me looking at him.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

You know, like, he is. He's got an amazing eye. His. His brand has been around for 22 years.

[John Gabris]

I had no idea. That's so awesome.

[Adam Pally]

It's crazy. And he.

[Andrew Chen]

He.

[Adam Pally]

They do make the best jeans. They make the best jeans.

[John Gabris]

Like, that's.

[Adam Pally]

It's pretty cool to be, like, that's what they do. They make the best jeans.

[John Gabris]

Their jeans are great.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. And they also do that. They also are now into the wellness area of clothing, active wear, and that's bangers.

[John Gabris]

Well, let's. Let's talk to him. Let's find out more.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. I hope he gets here. I heard he was running. We ask all our guests. We kind of start off with this, but are you doing anything special, Andrew, to, like, keep yourself alive? Like, for me, it's a bunch of Metamucil morning and night, plus my medications, therapy. I might. I just talked to a ketamine doctor. I think that I might slide that in.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, that got it. A little piqued our interest, you know.

[Adam Pally]

Like, what are you. Are you. It doesn't have to be a hack. It doesn't. It could be just a ritual. It could be just a thing you do. Like, what?

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Isn't that the whole podcast, though, or.

[Adam Pally]

No, we. We will move away from it so quickly.

[John Gabris]

To be honest, we have no idea what this whole episode is going to be. We just know how to start. And, yes, we'll stay on wellness and all that, but we're curious what you do to stay alive.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

It's all more than I did before.

[Adam Pally]

Before.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

I don't know. I think it all turned around at 40.

[Adam Pally]

Okay.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

That's when we're all over 40.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

I'm 43 now. That's when you got to stop. Not for lack of a better term, you gotta stop kind of fucking around a little and be like, I actually have to make it a habit that I take my steps outside and get my 10 minutes of mindfulness or whatever. You have to actually start before that. You could just kind of, like, survive. And now. Now you need to do. I need to do so much to just feel at zero, to be at, like, default.

[Adam Pally]

It's weird.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

I don't know if this is gonna encourage anybody. It's probably gonna bum them out. But I started making changes at 40 and I'm feeling like I'm still falling apart right now. No, no, no, no, no, no. But then I feel like if I wasn't making changes, how bad would it be?

[Adam Pally]

Oh my God. That is, that's the ethos of every single interaction that I have with food and exercise is like, is this enough to, to be offset? To offset?

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Like imagine how bad it would be if I wasn't doing this is like.

[John Gabris]

Well that's, that's where I'm at. Like I can totally wr this. I'm like I'm, I'm not making any progress. But I, I'm like, I guess I'm staving off.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Yes.

[Advertisement Voice]

What's.

[John Gabris]

What the other way.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. But Andrew, so you run, you run a. What's the best way to describe 316 clothing brand. Clothing line.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Clothing line.

[Adam Pally]

Because at this point it does everything from, from outerwear to footwear to accessories. I mean it's a full line. I mean I, I wear most of it every day.

[Andrew Chen]

Which.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Thank you.

[Adam Pally]

Well, no, no. I mean, no problem. It's truly like, it's. I think I told you this before. For men of my body type, it fits.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

And to be clear, there are people.

[Adam Pally]

That are not of our body type. No, for sure. Andrew is of the.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

But it'd be messed up if, if, if it didn't look good on me.

[Adam Pally]

100%.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Right?

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, exactly. Which is.

[John Gabris]

That's like the main reason I would get into fashion design is so I could have clothes that fit my weird.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Body is somewhat self serving.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. I think that. And the part of the reason I just like do is meeting you and following you and seeing you because you wear most things that I would wear every day. Most of my style is, is inspired by a lot by you. What Take us through your day. Like you're, you're, you're in the east coast, you're in the west. You have a store in the west coast as well, which just reopened, which is so nice by the way. Thank you. Yeah. It's at the. Where do we go to eat the pizza?

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

The Pizzeria Bianca. Yeah, it's.

[John Gabris]

Oh, it's the Row.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

It's at the Row. Yeah. Oh. Oh, awesome.

[Adam Pally]

The space is.

[John Gabris]

I go there Sundays. My buddy runs smorgasbord. Yeah. So I'll, I'll, I'll swing by next time I'm over.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

Cuz I'm based in Los Angeles. Are you? Yeah, I'm just here for this. Talk about self serving. We started a podcast to like interview people to see how we can stay alive.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Yeah, well, I was actually going to say, is this podcast a direct output of the TV show that you guys did?

[John Gabris]

Because the other side of the coin. Yeah, it was.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

It's wild what you guys eat in like six hours. Yeah, I'm still putting a man down.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, that show, that show was on four years ago and I still have liver damage.

[John Gabris]

Like I'm still undoing some stuff to my digestive.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Did you like spit anything out afterwards? Like, this is out of control. We've drank a ton of alcohol.

[Adam Pally]

I want to say yes. Like part of me wants to be like, there were times, but the truth of the matter is no.

[John Gabris]

I will, I will on record say it was like episode six where our producer said to us like, this is week six of shooting. Was like, you guys don't have to finish your plate.

[Adam Pally]

Right?

[John Gabris]

Yeah, like, cuz we were like, oh.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

We have to eat after. Maybe we were raised a certain way. Like, I'm not going to throw anything out.

[Adam Pally]

We talk like that a lot. Empty plate syndrome is a thing. I feel like it's kids our age. It's like our parents told us.

[John Gabris]

I'm still concerned about the kids in Africa. According to my mom, if I throw out this pizza crust, they get sicker.

[Adam Pally]

Like, yeah. And at least they have the T shirts of the team that lost the super bowl.

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[Adam Pally]

So you wake up kids, got to get them going.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

I'm in a. Well, I don't know.

[John Gabris]

You don't have kids.

[Adam Pally]

Mine are 13, 12, and seven.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Yeah, so seven. You still got to do some stuff.

[Adam Pally]

You got to do some stuff. But honestly, like the train's moving no matter what. Like there are days when I've texted my oldest and been like, I'm leaving before you, or I'm working at night. Can you.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Do not, do not wake me up.

[Adam Pally]

Can you bring Drake to school? And it happens, you know the Train moves. So like, I guess we're on the same page. So then you get up. Are you exercise right away?

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Yeah. I've learned that if I don't get it out of the way first thing in the morning, it doesn't have to be right out of bed. But before I start my workday, it's almost a lost cause. Yesterday I bucked the trend. I made it to the gym after work, but that really rarely happens now.

[John Gabris]

That's. This is something all three of us have in common.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

And. Cause I'm. I'm the same way. Yesterday I freakishly because we started early and hopefully today I'll get something in after all this. But there's something about like it hanging over my head that it makes it so easy to blow off. But if it's like, if I just do it and then I can like reap the emotional benefits of having worked out all day.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Oh yeah. I didn't come up with this. Someone told me this. But if you can get out, get the workout out of the way first thing in the morning, that's probably more difficult than whatever else is up.

[John Gabris]

Right.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

You're just sitting in the studio podcasting.

[John Gabris]

Right, Right. It's all downhill from there.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Right, right, right.

[John Gabris]

I also feel like I make healthier choices if I've exercised in the morning. Like when it comes time to order lunch, I'm like, I should get protein and salad.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

The only thing that it does, the only positive I have with it, and I way prefer to do mine in the morning, the only positive that I have with it is that it can sometimes delay or cancel out me having a drink because there were. There are.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

My alcohol consumption over the past year or two is like really plummeted 100 quite a bit.

[Adam Pally]

And I think a lot of that.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Is big alcohol's shaking right now.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. They're scared of us. Big psychedelic, big fan. But.

[John Gabris]

But Captain Cannabis.

[Advertisement Voice]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

But like I. I feel like sometimes 5 o' clock to 7 o' clock happy hour, you can set a meeting to have drinks. You can, you know, it's easy to do that. But if you haven't gone to the gym, sometimes I'll like put my gym schedule there so that I.

[John Gabris]

You can't have a drink at 5:30 if you're gonna.

[Adam Pally]

It has to be 7:30 exactly. Or. And at that point it's like late. I might be eating. It's like maybe I skip it.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

You know, it's like, I'm sure. I feel like those roadblocks are helpful in My alcohol consumption.

[John Gabris]

Dude, you're like a year or two away from taking, like a jog meeting, you know?

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

100.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. I'm going for a jog with Stiller to talk about our new movie idea.

[Adam Pally]

I would definitely do that. I don't. I could not keep up with.

[John Gabris]

No, I couldn't keep up.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

That's like.

[John Gabris]

I couldn't keep up with almost anyone in Hollywood because they're all TRT'd up. And I feel like.

[Adam Pally]

I feel like the last time I was on a zoom with Ben Stiller, he heard me out of breath, getting to my death, and he was like, I don't think I could work with it.

[John Gabris]

You're like, you should see my Audi.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, so. So do you. So you go, right?

[John Gabris]

Is your exercise in the.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Okay.

[Adam Pally]

So.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

I started running three years ago, which is very strange for me. I grew up hating running as the overweight kid in gym class. We all did. You have to run a mile as part of your fitness test.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

It was the worst day of the year. I would, like, so embarrassing. I would fake injury. Fake injury. I would do anything to not do it.

[Adam Pally]

Anything. I would get nauseous. I would.

[John Gabris]

And there was no. The thing I always thought about it was there was no like, coaching or anything from the gym teacher of, like, no, just don't rig. Yeah.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Or like, nothing.

[John Gabris]

You can do any. It's only at maximum. It's going to take 17, 18 minutes. Like, you take your time.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Annual fitness test was my worst nightmare.

[Adam Pally]

And they would. On you.

[John Gabris]

Chin ups.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Oh, the rope, dude.

[John Gabris]

For us chubby kids, that shit.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Flexibility that you have to like, go reach over that ruler.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Pull ups were always like. There was always like, how many pull ups can you do? I still cannot do one.

[John Gabris]

I can't still get to. And like, girls would beat me.

[Adam Pally]

Oh, my God.

[John Gabris]

It would be like the mean.

[Adam Pally]

It would be awful.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

There's always one kid who did like 18. And everybody would start shouting out the numbers. Yeah, right. And then you're up.

[Adam Pally]

You're like, yeah, yeah. And you're like. And then you have to follow it. It's like following a Seinfeld or something. Dropping in.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

No. So the.

[Adam Pally]

The.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

The mile would be awful because the way we did it, everybody would run the mile and then they would call out your time when you crossed.

[Adam Pally]

And where are you going to school?

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

I. I was up in Westchester. So that's like, just.

[Adam Pally]

So it's suburban. I'm just trying to get a feel of, like, what it looks like. We have fields, right. It's got that nice autumn leaves are changing and you're running track vibe.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

There's no we in. In elementary school. There's. You just run around the.

[Adam Pally]

The.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

So they. They would call out the number and then afterwards the gym teacher. Nobody. There's no coaching because I don't think the gym teacher cared either. They just had to get through it.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, they just.

[Adam Pally]

There was no drunk.

[John Gabris]

There was no like, next year we'll see if your time is better or anything like that. There was no like, all right, we're going to run the mile next week. So here's how to run.

[Adam Pally]

And they would hang it over your head, too. They'd be like, if you don't hit eight, you may not graduate.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

You know what? I had never heard that.

[Adam Pally]

Oh, my God. They. They would. And they would spring it. They would be like, God, it's kind of nice outside. Maybe it's a day to run a mile.

[John Gabris]

My childhood best friend in elementary school was like, I'm actually faster barefoot. And he ran it in his socks because it was around Mark. And he was like. I was like, how are. He's like, my feet are killed. He thought it was like a genius move, you know, he's just a strange guy that. You know, Sanford well.

[Adam Pally]

Oh, yeah, you know what? That clicks. Like, there is always a kid that's like, yeah, watch me do it in my pajamas or something.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

And like, well, the kid.

[John Gabris]

The kid who wins is a kid who's running it in jeans and boots somehow. And he's just like a freak athlete.

[Adam Pally]

Kid who you're just like, has a bandana tied around.

[John Gabris]

He doesn't even know that it's the mile day. He's like, oh, I ran already this morning.

[Adam Pally]

Were you always cool?

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

No.

[John Gabris]

Really?

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Well, I don't know.

[Adam Pally]

Well, because I think, well, okay, well, that's enough, I guess. Cool.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

I liked cool things, but we also couldn't. Like. So I've been into clothes since I was little, but my parents were very frugal, and so I never got to buy any of this stuff.

[Adam Pally]

But you could probably throw together a fit with minimal resources.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

I've always been putting fits together together in my head, and I put together what I thought were fits with the resources that were available.

[Adam Pally]

So. So you pro. So you had like a cool. Like, were you an arbiter of taste for your friends or were. Because it doesn't always happen like that. Like, sometimes your taste evolves from. From fall. Like, you, You. You click in with a group and you start following the group and you're like, oh, I'm into this. And then that grows and you're like, actually, I'm into this. And then you take some of that. Like, were you always kind of like. Like, I have a vision.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

My close friends and I shared certain interests playing basketball. And there was like very, very varied levels of. Of technique within that. But we all love to play basketball after school. I had one friend that was into rap, so I would go to his house and shoot around and listen rap. And then we would go play video games. We just like sneak off and play video games.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

And things like that. But as far as it music and clothing, I think everybody was kind of on their own, their own page.

[Adam Pally]

Right. Sounds like you were cool. So. Yeah.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

You know what a cool person does is in AP US History, you are asked to do an independent study and you partner with somebody to do, you know, left wing influence music. And he plays like REM or something Right. For the class. And you play Rage against the Machine.

[Adam Pally]

That's cool. That's cool.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

To like a classroom full of white kids and everyone looks like, you know.

[John Gabris]

Some of you that burn crosses are the same.

[Adam Pally]

You know, I don't wanna. I don't want to pull a hood off this, but I'm looking at the same. I look like a school shooter, you.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Know, at the end of that song.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. And I had a similar thing when for my bar mitzvah, I got in trouble my bar mitzvah year. Because my. I've always been cool as well. My giveaways. Cause like, you, you gave away things. And my family didn't have a lot of money, so we bought a bunch of blank cassettes.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Oh, that's cool.

[Adam Pally]

And I made mixtapes, that's for everybody, but they were all my favorite songs. And the last song on the mixtape is Rage against the Machine. And so it's like ends with that huge. Like, you. You don't do what you tell me. Every single parent on Monday morning complained, like, what did you give my child? You know, because like all.

[John Gabris]

Did your apartments have a theme?

[Adam Pally]

Music, Alternative music.

[John Gabris]

Oh, that's so cool.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, there was like the Nirvana table, the Pearl Jam table, the Green Day table, the Sound Garden table. Yeah. The Beast. I was at the Beastie Boys table.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Hell yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Even my own family's anti Semitic.

[John Gabris]

You're sitting with Mike D. Rock, Please. I'm going. But I went to like 50 bar mitzvahs being a Long island kid. And the themes were like, to be discussed, you know, it was like, it was wild. Yeah. You go to this and like, like we didn't have culturally our confirmations and our communions were more like family oriented and not friendly or friend oriented. So going to these things. But then you got like seriously envious when someone had like a bomb ass theme and you were like James Bond or something.

[Adam Pally]

Star wars or like Saturday Night Live.

[John Gabris]

Dude, this would be like 1995. And someone had a, like a Marvel themed. And like that was like, that was like a subculture reading comic books then was like, I was roasted for that but then went to a bar mitzvah where I sat at the Hulk table. Table like this.

[Adam Pally]

So yeah, my mind was like that. But DIY and because my parents were cool and. And you know what I mean?

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

But it ended up getting me in a lot of trouble similarly. But that to me screams.

[John Gabris]

And you sang Jeremy, right?

[Adam Pally]

I sang Jeremy in Hebrew. Well, and I had. I. I didn't know the lyrics. I had to write them inside my black trench coat. But it sounds like you were always, you were always cool as well. And so like different. Different. But different is cool, but different.

[John Gabris]

Like this. There's a, there's an element to like being different. Knowing you're different and being okay with it.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

That I was still insecure. Yeah, I was insecure because when, when that stuff happened, you were like, damn, am I, I'm a weird ass dude.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Oh, yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Yes. Especially when you have the, the like teenage cloud of like I'm. I'm an idiot and I'm. Nothing you're doing is. And you have. I don't like, you have body issues.

[John Gabris]

Like, I mean, Long island in the 90s was like going to boot camp.

[Adam Pally]

Oh yeah.

[John Gabris]

Like, everybody was just probably still. I. I don't think it's better. Yeah. Based on my, my nephews that go there. I think, I think my. I think my family flipped from being bullied to being like it. We are the bullies.

[Adam Pally]

Like now your family is a microcosm of the Republican party.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Oh God.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

My, my. I was always really felt different because I went to all black and Hispanic school until I was like 13. So I was just different for being white. And that was just like easier to handle, believe it or not.

[Adam Pally]

Of course then when I went to.

[John Gabris]

The mostly white school, they were like, you're different because you're poor and a weirdo. I'm like, wait, what? I was like, I liked it better when I was just getting made fun of for being a white guy. Now I'm getting in trouble for like my jeans. Yeah, I don't want to hear about this. Yeah.

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[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

You could go out to eat, or.

[John Gabris]

You could just make a Marie Callender's meal. Marie Callender's classic chicken parmigiana bowl is so good. It has marinara sauce that's made from.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Scratch and creamy mozzarella cheese over pasta.

[John Gabris]

It's delicious with no artificial flavors, colors or preservatives. And 30 grams of protein. You can find it in the frozen aisle.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Marie Callender's what having it all tastes like.

[John Gabris]

Before we get too deep into fashion, I want to jump to not always a runner. Being a runner is because I went through this phase too. I ended up doing half marathons in my late 30s.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Yeah, I mean, that's hard to tell, you know, 20, 25 year old John, right? Yeah.

[John Gabris]

I couldn't imagine saying to myself, hey.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

40 year old Andrew wouldn't have been like, what are you talking about?

[John Gabris]

Yeah, running. Running for me only really mattered if you had a ball or someone else had a ball and you had to.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Be entirely on the same page as you.

[John Gabris]

But then all of a sudden you realize, obviously it's good exercise. There's the power that it's just sneakers.

[Adam Pally]

Right.

[John Gabris]

And that you could do it out your front door.

[Adam Pally]

Right.

[John Gabris]

You don't have to go to a gym and you don't. You can do it. It can be solitary. You can do it with someone else. You can do it outside, you can do it on a treadmill. You can do it. There's something very versatile. And then all of a sudden you do it and you're like, oh, there's a reason a lot of people do this, right? Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

What's your run now? What are you running? What's, what are you hitting?

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

I was training for the New York City half, which is in a couple days, and I had to pull out because I got a pinched nerve. You know, I'm talking about like, that's the shit you're doing more. But like stuff is starting to fall apart that just popped up out of nowhere three weeks ago. It was like pain in my neck that started rating all the way down my right arm.

[John Gabris]

Oh no.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

And so I couldn't lift because I have no grip strength. And then I couldn't run because your arms just getting jostled all over the place. So I had to withdraw from that. But jumping back.

[Adam Pally]

13.1.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

Jumping back to what you said though, like a pinch nerve when you're not kind of taking care of yourself is only going to be exacerbated by disastrous.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Yeah, right. And so I've been working with a trainer for the past year and I started working with him because I had ankle pain. And I think that was just because when I started running, I, I was like, this is great. I feel good. My head is clear. Like that's one thing. I, I'm on board with everything you said about running. Plus it's very good for my head because I'm not on my phone.

[John Gabris]

Right.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

You know, you have time to just think about something, think about nothing. Sing the same song over in your head, like, yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Listen to the same song four times or nothing.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

I, I, I, I yeah, I lost my headphones and I'm like, this is great. I'm just gonna run with a headphone.

[John Gabris]

I I, I When I was training for half marathons, I would run with that listening to audio books. Cuz then I would just be lost in the book. Maybe not even doing any interesting pace at all, but. And then to me, this activates a little bit of like my pokey gym or nerd life where I'm like, I'm getting my intelligence and endurance up at the same time.

[Adam Pally]

Whatever it takes.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

It's different for every person. But as long as you did something. Yeah, you're better off than you.

[Adam Pally]

I'm a big proponent.

[John Gabris]

You like, like a road run better than a treadmill, right?

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

I, yeah, especially with the head clearing element. I don't, I don't like treadmills. There was like, there were a few times this winter where it was just like, like Ridiculous out. So I would.

[Adam Pally]

There's a need.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Yeah. But I mean, it was weird. Yesterday was beautiful out and at the gym there was like 20 people on the treadmills and then five people waiting to get on the show. I'm like, look outside.

[Adam Pally]

Yay.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

A friend told me, you know, one of the best parts about running is, is running when you're traveling. And I've done that on every vacation that we've gone on.

[Adam Pally]

Really?

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

It's amazing, dude.

[John Gabris]

A guy completely sold me on this because it. He goes, I plan runs on when I go on vacation and I like, listen to Portuguese music as I run through Lisbon. Or I, you know, and he's like, I create, create these, like, experiences for me. Then when I was traveling with my family and training for a half marathon, I'm like, well, I gotta run seven miles today. And like, I know I gotta take time off. And I'm like, I'm in Montauk with my family and I'm like, I'm gonna go seven miles this direction. I don't know that about it.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

And it really, it's an interesting version of tour. It's something that if you told me when I was even 38, 35, I would have been like, get the fuck outta here. I'm not doing this on vacation. I'm getting on the piss and I'm fucking snoring and I'm gonna fucking eat like a gavon. But then you can really be like, running is like interesting tourism to, to.

[Adam Pally]

Go back into the fashion a little bit. You, you, you start your company. Right. Because I want to get into the day to day of like, how you're incorporating your runs and your lifestyle with this, like, amazing.

[John Gabris]

Running your own business, no matter what it is, is time consuming. And you could always make the case that you're like, I could work. I should be working for another hour.

[Adam Pally]

And that's a. I mean, 316 is, is a, is a small business that's now a big business that is this American, like, you know, hustle. And that takes all your time.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Like, how did it start? And then how do you stay alive doing it?

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

You know, I'm still trying to figure it out and I'm still trying to make changes along the way. And I think a lot of the pressure that I feel is self imposed. Yeah, it's entirely right because I was talking to a friend over lunch. He's like, how often are you in the office? I'm in four or five days a week. And I struggle because sometimes I Want to spend more time doing stuff with the kids or I want to have the freedom to do this and that. And he's like, why don't. It was the simplest question, why don't you? And I'm in that position. I understand there's a lot of people out there that don't have that choice. Like you have to clock in at a certain time, you have to clock out at a certain time. I've made some changes already. Like there are days where I'll walk, roll into the office at noon because I'll wake up, I'll knock out some emails, I'll go for a run, I'll come back, I'll cook breakfast and I'll just take my time.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

And that feels good. But I feel like I'm doing something bad when I do it.

[Adam Pally]

I'm like, right, yeah. That's what's crazy.

[John Gabris]

All three of us here are our own bosses. And it turns out I'm a dick boss. You know, where I'm like, no, you're.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Very hard on yourself.

[John Gabris]

And then I'm like, well, it's up to me, right? What if. Because then you like, look like I can get. I could spiral thinking about this. Like you look at your life, you're like, well, why didn't just exercise one hour a day for these two? It's like, cuz you were busy. I'm like, but I imposed all that busyness on myself. I could easily impose. If I was a boss of a company that had 20 employees, I'd be like, you know what? Everyone should exercise one hour today. I think you'd all be better employees if we all exercise an hour every day.

[Adam Pally]

But you don't give yourself that. You're like, fit it in where you can or you're gonna be a fat piece of shit. Yeah. And like, you know, like that's commercial.

[John Gabris]

Audition takes priority over exercise.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

And then eventually you're like, what am I doing to my life?

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, I mean, I mean that's a tough negotiation.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Yeah. I mean I think it's like, what do you, what is this in service towards?

[Adam Pally]

Right.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

So we say like, oh, because we have to, whatever. But you know, you feel better, your head is clearer, like maybe you're going to be more productive. You probably will be more productive. That's probably nicer to be around.

[John Gabris]

That's the grown up shit you're saying right there. Is that when you start to realize that like it actually makes me more productive to exercise, it actually makes me more creative that I have exercise. It Actually, like all those things, I am a better partner, a better employee, a better comedian. When I am exercising. There's a little level of confidence that comes with it too. I think that gives you a little bit of a glow where you're like, well, I conquered a three mile run today. I didn't conquer this fucking stupid Zoom meeting or whatever.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Yeah. My business partner, Johan, I feel like he's done a better job of sectioning off and prioritizing certain things. He actually, he tore his Achilles several years ago and so he had to go through surgery and like, grueling, grueling pt. He still goes now because he wants to stay strong, he wants to stay flexible. There was a time when he was rock climbing and, you know, that was good for him. He got to see people, hang out, spend time with them. Now a lot of his focus goes towards his kids and coaching them. They're all playing basketball, soccer.

[Adam Pally]

That's a good outlet.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

And like, he just, he's really focused on these things that, that are able to help him to be better at everything else.

[Adam Pally]

Well, it's balance, which is something we talk about a lot now. Now you guys started this active line, which I told you I'm a huge fan of, and that led to these run clubs.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

You know, so is that a. Both of you guys together on each coast? Like, how is it. Because Johan primarily works in LA. Like, how does, how does that work amongst the 316 family?

[John Gabris]

It is.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Pretty informal. We don't, we don't have our own crew. We just use our space and the business as a meeting place we host.

[John Gabris]

So the runs start from there.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Yeah, exactly. I started when I started running on my own. I didn't want to run with anybody else because I was so embarrassed about whatever.

[Adam Pally]

Cuz it looks like I'm dying.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Because I was dying.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, because I'm literally sitting tun.

[John Gabris]

Relatable.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

No, I just, I was like, let me just be alone and try and figure this out. Yeah, maybe if I can run three miles without stopping, I'll try and find people to run with. I did that. I trained for a 10k. I finished a 10k without walking. And that was, that was my biggest goal at the time. And I'm like, all right, now I'm.

[Adam Pally]

Going to go in six and a half. Six miles.

[John Gabris]

Six miles.

[Adam Pally]

That's awesome.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

So I was like, I'm going to go and find people. I found people in Queens World's Fair. They meet on Wednesdays. I was the slowest person in the group. I knew that was going to be the case.

[John Gabris]

You know what's cool? When you're at that certain age, they don't care there.

[Adam Pally]

They don't.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

You think it's so nice, like, you know, one of them would hang on a bike and like just be like, keep going, you know, or whatever. Like, you need to take a break, take a break. They were so nice at our age. I don't know if you can relate to this, but you just don't meet as many people. You have like a ton of people, you know. Right, yeah. What you work with, but there's not new input.

[Adam Pally]

No, there's. No, there's not a ton of new voices. Yeah, right, right.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

And I met a lot of really cool people just showing up on Wednesdays over and over again and, you know, getting to know them and them asking me questions like, why are clothes so expensive? You know? Yeah, these are things that you've already explained to all of your close friends. Yeah, these are new people. They're like, why? Why is this new running brand? Why, why are they charging so much? And you're like, well, it has to do with how big they are and what their distribution is, production and, you know, so I got to know them, started running with them and one of the co founders, Omar, was like, like, hey, do you ever want to like host one of our runs out of the shop? And I was like, sure, 20, 30 people showed up. It was fun, it was cold. We had a good time. And that grew into this series of summer runs that we did together with World's Fair. And so the shop is the hub. I would hit up friends in the industry that I thought could do some nice product demos or give people nice experiences. So Oakley came out, Saucony came out, HOKA came out and we just leveraged the relationships we had with 316 to bring stuff to runners that spend a lot of money and really love these brands, but have never had a personal.

[John Gabris]

And then, yeah, they're. And then the HOKA rep is stoked to come to a target rich environment made up of 30. So the fashion forward runners, you know it now.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Now in the summer runs we pull like 150 people. It's crazy. So like word got out and people like all over Manhattan or Brooklyn, they were like, like, these are fun runs. You get to talk to people, meet people at the brand. And all of that culminated this past November where we threw our first unsanctioned race. And for people who don't know what that is, like, races that runners sign up for are Typically you sign up and there's some organization that puts it on, it's legal. They block streets off those kinds of things. You get a bib, you get an official time, and that time can let you qualify for other things. And it's just like a nice measuring stick to see how well you've been training.

[Adam Pally]

Whatever that's.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Unsanctioned races are ones that people put on that are not legal.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

That you just do to have fun. And everybody has to sign a waiver. Like if I get hit by a.

[John Gabris]

Car, I'm not blaming you.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, yeah.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

And. And we did that with Saucony and it was called the Jord Smile. And so we're like, how do we blend what we do with something that we're having a lot of fun with? And so the rule was if you want to, you run this open streets course in downtown New York and you have to wear 100% cotton jorts.

[John Gabris]

Wow, that's awesome.

[Adam Pally]

Was. Was like Johnson and Johnson.

[John Gabris]

Also I was just about to say who's the. Who's the thigh? The thigh gap manager. Yeah. I need some serious baby oil. I can do it on the line.

[Adam Pally]

I can do it though, because I have so many. I have like three different kinds of jorts in my rotation. During the summer I have like, I'm into like a little bit of like a smaller cut. Jord.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Yep.

[Adam Pally]

In the summer.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Which you have those.

[John Gabris]

I'm a sk.

[Andrew Chen]

Out.

[John Gabris]

Thighs out.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. And then. But also this summer I started wearing these like knee length shorts that I really like that are like great for running.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Listen.

[Adam Pally]

No, cuz I'll wear those like a. A dress sandal.

[John Gabris]

Right.

[Adam Pally]

The joke was that people are going.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

To come back with crazy rashes and whatnot, but you can do anything for a mile.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Denim is. Is was made to like work on the railroad.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Work, but not run, not chafe repeatedly.

[Adam Pally]

I bet those armpits were chafing on the railroad roads.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

A lot of things were probably uncomfortable.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. Yeah. Those Levi's, giant like one pieces. Oh yeah.

[John Gabris]

Those like unbreakable.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

They look like parachute.

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[John Gabris]

Like I'm not an expert on this, but whatever you need to do mentally to get to the point where you should be prioritizing exercise, even if it is shallow and you just want come gutters or you know what I mean? Or you want a bigger butt, we all have them.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

They're just buried under.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. Yeah. We all have six come gutters in this room. Promo code.

[Adam Pally]

Stand alive. I can't wait till the new 316cum gutter collection.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

They're just like painted on the shirts.

[Adam Pally]

And again, the cool thing about your brand is like you, you change, you evolve, but it is consistent. It's like you're not. I've never walked into your store or, or luckily enough. Had you. Had you send me anything that you're.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Like, you're like what is this?

[Adam Pally]

Right. That doesn't look like something you, you personally would wear. And I feel like that's like the key to a. Any good brand or actor or it's kind of sense.

[John Gabris]

Right.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Like it has to fit in the body of work.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. And like that's. We. We struggle with that even doing this podcast is like we, we didn't know what.

[John Gabris]

We're not fitness or wellness guys.

[Adam Pally]

But like what, what we do connect to is the idea that like we like to stay alive and that struggle for regular people is hard.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

And like your brand in, in a similar way, every year gives you what you didn't know you wanted, you know, and, like, without deviating, I don't want.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

To say we're on cruise control, because we're not. And even in the current state of, of how things are in, there's so many things that are up in the air, and we have to be vigilant about it.

[Andrew Chen]

It.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

But I really feel like for the next few years, I have to get better at the other stuff personally, to be able to bring good energy into the company and to be able to lead well. So, like, you know, you're like, one of the things that I'm trying. Right.

[Advertisement Voice]

Yeah.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

The trainer was a huge thing. It's been, it's coming up on a year of working with this trainer, and only now my ankle pain is starting to go away. Like, it took that long.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

And are you, are you feeling results even if they, you're not, they're not visible. But are you feeling better? Like, having done that?

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

I feel better. And what's really been nice about him is that I don't need someone to, like, coddle me. But there are times, like, after, like, months and months of work where like, you start to see progress, and then your, your body starts to regress and you're like, this sucks. Yeah, this is terrible. Like, or that's getting better and something else went wrong.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

And what's. What Coach Josh told me was like, fitness is not linear, and life in general and careers are not linear. Right. Talking about a working actor, one minute you're on top of the world, and then next year, nobody even knows that you exist. Like, how do you, how do you hang around? You have to be resilient. You have to keep working. You have to keep on trying, you know, and understand that the things that you do or that things that people tell you to do, in my case, you know, all these exercises that he's assigning me is like, you're stacking, right? You're stacking even though you might not see it. And so right now, this pinch nerve has my arm all messed up, and I had to pull out of a race, but guess what? My ankle does not hurt.

[Adam Pally]

Right.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Right. And that I, I, I didn't realize it one day. You just kept doing it, and I'm finally starting to turn a corner, and if it hurts tomorrow, that's okay because overall, I'm in a much better place.

[John Gabris]

It's got, it's that two steps forward, one step back. When you're taking that One step back. Don't forget that. You got to take two.

[Adam Pally]

Exactly.

[John Gabris]

Because it's so easy to remember. Because that's how I feel. You know, you'll be like, on, like, you'll be dialed in for, like, three months, and then you'll have, like, weak bender. That blows it. And then you're like, I'm a fat pig again. It's like, no, you're. There's no way you are.

[Adam Pally]

No. You came so far.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. You did 12 weeks of good. Now you did two weeks of bad. Now it's time to do another 12 weeks of good. Or as many as you can do it.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, I think that that's. That. That goes back to what we were saying before about being a better boss to yourself, you know, is like. So if you were in a professional situation.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

You would want the. The boss to give you that grace of being like, oh, you're a little late on Monday. A big, big weekend. But to yourself, you're like, again, I knew this was gonna happen.

[John Gabris]

And your employees were like, we all got up and went for a run this morning together. You'd be like, that is very good for the mic company. But if it's yourself, you're like, nope, gotta get right up to the laptop and open up final draft and stare at it and do nothing. Rather than.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Makes no sense.

[John Gabris]

Right?

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

Push it back one hour. Especially with running. You can run for 20 minutes and it's. It's a stimulus. You can run 10 minutes away from your house and 10 minutes back, and then that's. If you were going to do nothing. That's better than that.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, completely. Well, so if you're in New York.

[John Gabris]

Or LA or visiting or online. Online.

[Adam Pally]

The website is. I do a lot of damage on the website. It's pretty easy.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Yeah. Yeah. We try and make it easy to. To cop.

[Adam Pally]

It's. It's like. It's. It's frighteningly easy. Yeah.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Good job.

[Adam Pally]

Also, the shoes this year, I mean, I. I feel like I've given you all the pro. The shoes this year.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Out of control.

[Adam Pally]

These are. These are.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Yeah, they're like these. Look at those.

[Adam Pally]

They're like.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Yeah. These are in house footwear that we just started doing this past year.

[Adam Pally]

So. Dude, the shoes are.

[John Gabris]

Are these too?

[Adam Pally]

No, these. My own.

[John Gabris]

These are sick.

[Adam Pally]

Those are.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

These are all you. I feel like this is your.

[Adam Pally]

No, I was just saying. No, I'm coming for it. I'm coming for the whole fit. And you see, next time you see me in a magazine, it's Going to be in this exact look.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

We're not so dis. Dissimilarly dressed today. I know I said that when we came in. Like, we're. We're vest. We're both invested.

[Andrew Chen]

I.

[Adam Pally]

And I was serious. I look at you as.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

This is sick, though.

[Adam Pally]

This. Right. 110.

[John Gabris]

This would be like. This would be in a lookbook of, like, you're picking out what looks for the guy. It's like we have something like this. Something like this. But the character would have kind of similar outfits.

[Adam Pally]

I'm serious. I've since I found 316, which was. A wardrobe designer bought them for the character Max on Happy Endings and what.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

It went back then.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. That's where I first found. I was only aware of it from throwing fits.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

No. Well, no, you're. You wore chinos on. Which one? Which show was it Making history. No.

[John Gabris]

Indebted.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Indebted.

[Adam Pally]

Indebted. Oh, indebted.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Yeah. But that's what I knew about it. But that was.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, yeah. No, we. I.

[John Gabris]

My wife was gonna go crazy.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

If you had 316 wardrobe on happy.

[Adam Pally]

Endings, if you go back and look at Abby hangs, most of the denim is 316. Because it was hard at the time. I was so. I was a circle, and, like, it was hard to find people. And then through that, I found you, and.

[John Gabris]

Oh, that's cool.

[Adam Pally]

No. No offense. Right. Time. But at the time, we. We had. We looked. Both of us looked different and had similar bodies. And so I. You know, when you see someone, you're like, I think that guy looks like. I look. And then you're like. And everything he's wearing, I put on.

[John Gabris]

Bro, I am the worst.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Like, I just like to put it out there, though. But, like, if you're skinny, you could wear it. Timmy Shallow come back on a line, you know, like, oh, yeah, I don't.

[Adam Pally]

Want to cut off the skinny boys. No, no, I'm not saying this. Like, fat boys.

[John Gabris]

The thing about it. The thing about it is skinny guys can wear anything.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. Yeah.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

But we cannot.

[Adam Pally]

That's exactly a given. It's.

[John Gabris]

And D. This section for dogs called Husky.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. And denim. Denim is always hard. Because at the time when you came out, too, it was like, post Mavi, like, remember denim at the time.

[John Gabris]

I'm wearing stretch denim joggers, dog.

[Adam Pally]

But you have your own.

[John Gabris]

But I'm saying, like, that's how much denim stresses me out, that I gotta wear, like, sweatpants version.

[Adam Pally]

I. Dude, this connection for you. This is gonna. We're gonna make it.

[John Gabris]

We're gonna make it work. We're gonna make it work. Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Well, dude, you're the best. Thank you so much.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Thank you. This is a lot of fun.

[John Gabris]

I had a blast. Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, I'll see you. I'm going to head down to your shop after we're done here.

[John Gabris]

I'm going online right now.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

No, get that workout in tonight.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, I'm going to try. Yeah. Let's. We should start saying that listeners. Get that workout.

[Adam Pally]

That's a good ending phrase. Get that working.

[John Gabris]

Get that working. Andrew, this is the Christmas episode, and we have a very special followup because you were talking about training for marathons, and now you have. You are a New York City marathon complete. What the fuck, man? You want to catch us up on how that went? You told me a little bit about it at Adam's premiere, but let's hear it from the horses.

[Andrew Chen]

It was. The process was amazing. The training was a lot of fun. And when I say a lot of fun, it was grueling and difficult, but I had never run past a half marathon before I started this training block. And so just being able to see what I was capable of. And I don't know if you guys feel the same way, but when you have something to train for, it just really forces you to, you know, get off your ass and do it, even if. Even if you don't feel like it. That day, I really wanted to respect the distance and not let it dominate me, and I wanted to be prepared. And guess what? I got dominated.

[Adam Pally]

Really? What do you mean? Like, what? It kicked your ass?

[Andrew Chen]

Yeah, it was. It was. It was rough. It was really rough. I was expecting for it to be a dogfight after mile 20, because for those who don't. Who haven't trained for a marathon before, you don't ever run the full distance in training. It's just, like, not good for your body. There's too many opportunities to get hurt. And so your. Your peak long run in marathon training is anywhere from 20 to 22 miles. And you do that like a week.

[John Gabris]

You do that like two weeks before the race, right?

[Andrew Chen]

Like three after that, you. You just start to taper down, let your body recover over from all, you know, all the training. And. And then you're supposed to be fresh going into it. And I did it. I completed every single training run. I felt great. I felt strong. I got it done. I was feeling really good going into it. And then on race day, I got side stitches. I've never. It's like middle school I haven't gotten side stitches, so I don't know, like.

[Adam Pally]

Where you can't breathe, like, in your, like, cramp.

[Andrew Chen]

Stabbing pain in my ribs.

[Adam Pally]

Oh, God.

[Andrew Chen]

At, like, mile one and a half. I know. It's like. It's like I just started, like, as if I'd never run before in my life. It was. I was like, what is going on here? Well, we're.

[Adam Pally]

Can I ask you a question? Were you running in those new Chelsea boots you guys just made with the lugs?

[Andrew Chen]

That might have something to do with it. Perhaps that was it.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Andrew Chen]

I mean, like they say, nothing new on race day. Right. Like, everything I had run in, I had tested. I, you know, know the usual food that I would eat beforehand. Nothing was a surprise. It's just. I don't know what happened. Yeah. So I was already feeling nauseous there. And then by the time that went away and I tried to settle into a groove, my hamstrings started tightening up at mile seven. So that's not good. This is making 26.

[John Gabris]

Oh, this is making me upset.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

But you.

[Adam Pally]

But you. Sorry. So did you feel like, oh, my God, I'm going to have to check out. I'm going to tap.

[Andrew Chen]

I stopped once or twice to stretch them. Okay. And obviously, when they're tight, you can't really push yourself anymore. You're just trying not to let them fully ease up or snap and. Yeah, or snap. I saw my family at mile 13. I couldn't even really stop to properly say hello because I was afraid that they would. It'd be so painful that I couldn't keep going, so I had to just almost knock my wife over with a quick hug and kept going. My sister was meeting me along the way, trying to get me salt, tabs, whatever.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Get out of here.

[Andrew Chen]

It sucked. I didn't want to tell everybody that I was struggling, you know, everybody, because. Because your family is a part of your training. Training. They have to sacrifice a lot for you to.

[John Gabris]

You know, Daddy's been gone for, like, four hours every Saturday doing his long runs. You can't be like. You don't want to be like, I actually hate this.

[Andrew Chen]

Yeah, it was. It was. It was dark, and. And it wasn't dark because I was pushing myself so hard. It was dark because I was in pain, and I wasn't sure if I'd be able to finish. My sister helped out a ton of hamstring. Fully cramped up like Charlie Horse cramped up in the Bronx, which was like, mile 18. And at that point, I'm like, I'm done. I'm cooked. I'm. I'm gonna. I'm gonna just give up. So that was. That was pretty terrible. Stretched for five minutes, just completely stopped at the side of the road, stretched and then hobbled the rest of the way. I stopped two or three times a mile from there on to stretch.

[Adam Pally]

Wow. But you made it. But you did.

[Andrew Chen]

I did.

[Adam Pally]

And that must have felt in some ways. In some ways. And maybe I'm just like, you know, glorifying it, but in some ways it's like, you know, you could do it healthy, but what you got to do was like, not only did you get to run the New York City Marathon, but you got to do it tested to the utmost limit, and you still did it.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. You ran a bad race and fucking beat it. You know what I mean? Like, that's fucking crazy, dude.

[Andrew Chen]

No, I, I can see it now. I was definitely in my feelings for a couple days. But, yeah, most people who want to run it been years, decades, hoping to get a chance to run this race, the specific one. So I feel thankful for that. And it, I. I say it can't go any worse than it, than it did. Maybe it can, but you crossing the.

[John Gabris]

Finish line is like sort of the, the binary here, here for non runners, you know what I mean? Like, I mean, you're a runner now officially, but for like, non competitive marathoners, the finish line is the binary. Like, you did it. You did the thing that is the victory. Now here's my question. Will you ever do another one?

[Andrew Chen]

That's everyone's question. It's not even your question. It's everyone's. After they hear this harrowing story. They're like, so you gonna run another one? And we'll see. I. I entered the lottery for Chicago.

[Advertisement Voice]

Idio.

[Adam Pally]

Disgusting individual. Yeah. All right, so here's my question. Here's my question. Did the 316 out activewear line see a bump from all of your social media running? Because I must have bought every piece of the collection, so, like, at least that went well.

[Andrew Chen]

I hope I'm not the spokesperson, you know, like, if I buy this and run in it, I'm gonna totally tank a marathon.

[Adam Pally]

No, but it looks really cool.

[John Gabris]

Hate the player, not the gear.

[Andrew Chen]

No, that's why I, that's why I run because it's fun and I like to put stuff on. I like clothes I like. You know, we wanted to make things that we wanted to run in, and if I don't feel good in the stuff that I'm running, In. I'm not gonna get out the door because I'm not a professional. Right. None of us are professional. So if we can feel good doing it and you know, we're getting a fit often, then that's pretty cool.

[Adam Pally]

And I don't know if I got to tell you last time because I don't know if they were released, but the saucony's that you guys did were amazing. Are you guys gonna. Are you gonna run that back?

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Yeah.

[Andrew Chen]

You know, this is. This is a Staying Alive exclusive. We have a second project that's coming out with them early next year. That one is just a lifestyle sneaker. That one's just even better. It was a running shoe.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

That's more for us.

[John Gabris]

Merry Christmas.

[Andrew Chen]

It was a running shoe. You could run in it now if you really wanted to and probably be fine. But they're just, you know, those are. Those are not performance shoes. They're. They're just to. To wear. And those should be coming out, I think. March. Oh, hell yeah.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Birthday dude.

[Adam Pally]

Well, I'm. I mean, we love you so much. You're.

[John Gabris]

Congratulations, man. You are like a inspiration, truly.

[Adam Pally]

And thank you for dressing us so much on the pod. Yeah. And.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Oh, I love it.

[Andrew Chen]

I love. Yeah, I love to see it on you guys. And thanks for the opportunity to chat. I don't know, I just. I really feel like we learn a lot more when we fail or when we don't, you know, hit our expectations. You know, it gives us a chance to.

[John Gabris]

My toxic trait is that.

[Andrew Chen]

Dial it in and figure it out.

[John Gabris]

My toxic trait is that you told me that story and I kind. It made me want to run the New York marathon.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

I love that.

[Adam Pally]

Well, I love it.

[Andrew Chen]

It's cool. Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Again, thank you so much. I love you. I'm going to see you probably this weekend because I got to get that down. New down jacket with the. With the wash. That wash is amazing.

[Andrew Chen]

Pull up.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

I will.

[John Gabris]

I will have a happy holidays. But thank you again for the follow up.

[Andrew Chen]

Same to you guys.

[John Gabris]

All right, thank you. On the trail. Well, another great episode. Merry Christmas, Happy Super Hanukkah as we call it in our house.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

I.

[John Gabris]

Before we get out of here, our producer and engineer, fucking Devin Bryant, who rules his artist, his music name is Painkiller the Pigeon. He has a new record out called Blame it on My Zodiac. Zodiac.

[Adam Pally]

A double record.

[John Gabris]

I believe it's a double record. Devin's response to that was of course the horns and you can get that double record@painkillerthepigeon. Dot bandcamp.com Painkillerthepigeon dot bandcamp.com covers a Billy Joel song on his record. Oh, you know, you know I'm on board.

[Adam Pally]

I will be there. How'd you get the rights then? Talk to me later.

[Advertisement Voice]

You gotta find.

[John Gabris]

You gotta watch Adam's Special to figure out how hard it is to get music right.

[Adam Pally]

I gotta figure that out.

[John Gabris]

Well, Merry Christmas to all our alive head. Stay alive and to all a good night. You have been listening to Staying Alive with John Gabris and Adam Pally. A Smartless Media production in association with Sirius xm.

[Adam Pally]

Produced by Devin Tory Bryant and Anne Harris. Engineered and edited by Devin Tory Bryant, who also wrote the music.

[John Gabris]

Associate producer and video producer is Maddie McCann. Social media producer Tommy Galgano.

[Adam Pally]

Assistant engineer Kyle McGraw. Special thanks to Jared O' Connell at SiriusXM.

[John Gabris]

Executive producers are John Gabris. Ooh me, Adam Pally. Ooh, you Will Arnett, Jason Bateman, Sean Hayes, Richard Corson and Bernie Kaminsky. Do us a favor. Just rate and review the podcast. It actually helps.

[Adam Pally]

Just so everyone knows, we do not have a discord.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Don't reach out to us See us.

[Adam Pally]

On the street Walk the other way or you'll catch hands. We got rap gifts for each other. And sweet. Yeah, he got me a infrared sauna, so I got him a Tudor bag.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Where do you put that in Manhattan?

[John Gabris]

Wow. In one of his four floors.

[316 Clothing Founder (likely Andrew Chen or a close associate)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No more closet.

[Adam Pally]

I've been on TV for two decades. On and off you are damn off. Damn. Shots fired. Shots fired. Right away.

[Andrew Chen]

Smart less medium.

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