Gym Is Therapy, Therapy Is Gym (w/ Ben Rodgers)

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Podcast Summary

Staying Alive with Jon Gabrus & Adam Pally

Episode: Gym Is Therapy, Therapy Is Gym (w/ Ben Rodgers)
Date: November 20, 2025
Podcast Network: SmartLess Media
Guest: Ben Rodgers

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Episode Overview

In this episode of Staying Alive, Jon Gabrus and Adam Pally chat with their longtime friend and fellow comedian Ben Rodgers. The trio embarks on an honest, hilarious, and sometimes deeply "grossly forthcoming" examination of health, sobriety, fitness, aging, and mental wellness—modern comedic style. Ben opens up about his journey quitting alcohol, sustaining mental health through both gym-going and therapy, and the ongoing challenges (and inside jokes) of maintaining friendships, routines, and self-care as they all navigate their 40s. Tangents about boardwalk tank tops, Frasier reboots, and haunted houses are, naturally, included.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Catching Up: Life, Tours, and Parties

• The guys recount busy weeks filled with show tapings, family birthdays, travel, and “letting yourself go” for special occasions.
• Jon is in a “grot” (“good rut”) prepping for his special, leaning into fun and food:
  • “I feel like, especially after this year and probably the fact that the world doesn’t have much longer, I’m okay with, like, letting myself go this week a little bit.” – Jon Gabrus (02:36)

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2. Fitness Evolution & Ben’s Sobriety

• Ben is tagged as the "Paul Rudd of comedy writers"—handsome, unexpectedly buff, and perpetually youthful.
• He reflects on quitting alcohol about eight years ago and how it shaped his health and social life:
  • “I just got really bored… I was in a social situation where we were like drinking beers and I was like, I didn’t even want this… So I have to have this beer?” – Ben Rodgers (17:02)
• Jon notes Ben’s aging in “human time” rather than “dog years”:
  • “Well, I've had a tough week…You stay on a human timeline. You don’t veer into dog years quite as fast.” – Jon Gabrus (15:30)
• Social difficulties of sobriety—dating, family events, weddings:
  • “A lot of women just don’t want to drink around somebody who isn’t drinking…Weddings involve a lot of drinking. My family, coming from Buffalo, people drink a lot.” – Ben Rodgers (18:07, 20:25)

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3. Social & Family Norms Around Drinking

• The persistent expectation of alcohol at every event:
  • “It’s like if we’re going to my nephew’s little league game, there’s a cooler of White Claw.” – Adam Pally (21:32)
• Family confusion around not drinking:
  • Ben’s mom: “Are you on a special diet or something?” Ben: “You just saw me eat six slices of pizza and birthday cake!” (20:27)

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4. Changing Habits: Fitness, Accountability, and Gym Culture

• Ben’s current regimen: classic weightlifting five days a week, with workouts programmed by a remote trainer.
  • “She’s a real athlete…I was interested in getting more gymnastics into my…[routine]: ring muscle ups, handstand walking…” – Ben Rodgers (27:52–28:37)
• The value of having a pre-planned workout program for accountability:
  • “You’re held a little accountable, because, one, you’re paying for somebody to take the time…and you don’t want to waste their time.” – Ben Rodgers (29:27)
• Jon and Adam talk about adapting fitness around unpredictable work/kids schedules, and the challenge of morning gym routines:
  • “I wish I could be the guy who wakes up, goes to the gym, gets my lift in…” – Adam Pally (38:01)
• On childfree lifestyles and fitness:
  • “The bigger secret to my fitness regime is probably not having kids also.” – Ben Rodgers (39:02)

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5. Mental Health: Gym is Therapy, Therapy is Gym

• For Ben, much of the healthier lifestyle is about staving off depression:
  • “My body type doesn’t really change that much, so it is more like gym is therapy—try not to eat too much garbage.” – Ben Rodgers (45:31)
• They all discuss the role of real therapy:
  • Ben: “I love my therapy…first therapist I’ve had who talks throughout therapy. I think it’s because he’s older and just, like, we don’t have time to waste.” (46:19)
  • Adam enjoys his “old, hippie” therapist but jokes: “Every once in a while he’ll just say something where he’s like—and that’s because you’re vibrating at a higher frequency.” (47:41)

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6. Friendship & ‘Found Family’ as Wellness

• The importance of community and regular traditions with friends—especially for childless adults:
  • “You get less and less people around you the older you get…And as childless guys, you kind of run into that thing of, like—who is going to be there for me when I’m 60, 65? I guess it’s gonna be my friends.” – Adam Pally (58:21)
• “We benefit because we get to collaborate—the podcast, Action Boys…basically a more professional version of just like a book club.” – Ben Rodgers (57:53)

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7. Learning, Hobbies, and Being Bad at Stuff

• Ben’s habit of autodidactic learning—taking up Spanish via a teacher who specializes in adult learners:
  • “It’s really take–it’s like little by little…it’s kind of like extra therapy also.” – Ben Rodgers (63:51)
• Adam credits Ben’s willingness to be “bad at something” as a source of inspiration.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On sobriety and social drinking:
  • “For a while, you think, oh, it's great to be known as the guy who drinks a lot… Then over time, it's like, maybe this is a bad thing.” – Ben Rodgers (16:04)
• On gym accountability:
  • “If you miss a workout, then you’re going to be fucked up… Now you can’t go as heavy or hit it as hard.” – Ben Rodgers (29:50)
• On growing older and friendship:
  • “The older you get, the harder it is to do things with people… But when you do it, you’re like, oh, fuck, this is great.” – Adam Pally (57:16)

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• Ben Joins, Friendship Dynamics: 00:45–03:00
• Drew Carey’s Party/Stories: 04:14–06:03
• On the Sphere, Aging, and the Apocalypse: 06:13–08:39
• Ben’s Sobriety Journey & Social Challenges: 15:16–20:27
• Fitness and Accountability/Training: 27:32–30:44
• Mental Health: Gym & Therapy: 45:31–48:03
• Found Family and Friendship as Wellness: 57:16–58:21
• Learning Spanish, Being Bad at New Things: 62:15–66:43

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Episode Tone & Style

The episode is peppered with rapid-fire jokes, tangents, and vivid stories in the hosts' typical self-deprecating, open-book comedic style. Beneath the fun, the conversations are raw and insightful—about the realities of getting older, reshaping habits, and sustaining both body and mind in ways that are possible, meaningful, and, above all, not joyless.

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Takeaways

• Sobriety and health changes are highly individualized, but can genuinely open up new routines, improve sleep and work output, and change social dynamics.
• Having some level of structure, whether through scheduled workouts, therapy, hobbies, or "found family" friend traditions, is vital to well-being, especially as you age.
• It's never too late to learn something new, embrace being bad at it, and find community wherever you can—whether that's at the gym, in a therapist’s office, or in group text threads about old improv teams.

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“Gym is therapy, therapy is gym, and found family is the glue.”

Transcript

[Adam Pally]

Smart blast medium.

[John Gabris]

We are rolling. Check, check, check. Rolling.

[Adam Pally]

Mixmaster Mike, what you got to say?

[John Gabris]

I've got to say that traffic on the 101 is very light today.

[Adam Pally]

Three MCs and one DJ. I'm about to lose my.

[John Gabris]

Because your boy is here.

[Adam Pally]

My boy? My. A guy who. I can't believe I'm podcasting with a guy who I podcast with six times a month for the last 10 years.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, well, a mutual. A mutual bestie.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, we. Guy we all started together with.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. One of the greats.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

One of my most handsome friends.

[Adam Pally]

Famously. He's like a lot of people's most handsome friends.

[John Gabris]

He's like the Paul Rudd of comedy writers.

[Adam Pally]

He won't say it either, but he's pretty fucking buff, too. He doesn't show it up. Yeah, he's pretty because when we were.

[John Gabris]

Kids, he was not buff. He was just, like, stringy.

[Adam Pally]

No. Yeah, he was always, like, a runner and a boxer, but in the last, like, eight years, he's got into lifting.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

And he's pretty buff now.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. I mean, and. And into health, which is, like, also new for Rod.

[Adam Pally]

Well, that's what's crazy with the Action Boys. I hosted with, like, two sober guys who exercise every. Who get five to six exercise days in a week. And I'm just like. Well, you know, like, we're like, on tour and I'm like, smoking a blunt. I'm like, no one else.

[Sponsor Voice]

Okay.

[John Gabris]

That just goes to show you how strong your genetic alcoholism is.

[Rod Rogers]

Yeah, I know.

[Adam Pally]

Well, it makes me yearn for the days of us hanging out. I'm like, someone get pally here so that we can have six Japanese whiskeys, and I can have the worst headache of my life tomorrow when we record. And here's the thing. We're in LA this week, we're recording in New York next week, and it's going to be the most hungover recorded.

[John Gabris]

Next week is going to be hung. I'm in a rut, right. I'm in a good rut because I have a very. No, I'm in a grot. A good rut. I have a very. A groot. I have a very good week coming up with a special coming out, and I'm really excited. So I've been promoting it and thus going out with friends who are. I'm seeing in la, like, you and. And other friends, and then. And then doing talk shows, and that leaves me on a high. And then I'm drinking and I'm eating.

[Adam Pally]

And it's like, there's Always like a drink backstage.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. And that won't stop until Thursday when it comes out. And that night's a party, and that's a huge party. And I'm.

[Adam Pally]

I'm flying to New York. We're doing serious. We're doing some Staying alive episodes. But I'm flying to New York to go to your special.

[John Gabris]

And it's gonna. And it's gonna be.

[Adam Pally]

It's gonna be on HBO Max the next day. But.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, but the party is gonna be. It's a party. And like, I. I feel like, especially after this year and probably the fact that the world doesn't have much longer, like, I'm okay with, like, letting myself go this week a little bit.

[Adam Pally]

Oh, yeah, I'm gonna. But. But my week in New York is already filling up. Like, Sunday night, I'm going to my Long island for my brother's birthday. Monday, I'm going out.

[John Gabris]

Where are you eating? What are you eating?

[Adam Pally]

It's.

[John Gabris]

He's bringing it in it.

[Adam Pally]

No, we're going German style.

[John Gabris]

Oh, like. Well, you love. Your family. Loves a. Like a German. Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

It's like, my brother wants to drink steins and stuff. It's. And. And then Monday night, I have dinner plans. Tuesday night, Justin, I'm taking him out for his birthday. Wednesday night, I'm going to Justin's house for catering, cooking, and his birthday. Thursday night is your premiere. Friday, I fly to Vegas. Am I gonna bar? I cannot wait.

[Rod Rogers]

Let's go.

[Adam Pally]

Starts tonight.

[John Gabris]

But you know what? And this is again, one something I can do great. Which is justify anything. You deserve it. You've been amazing. You're working your ass off. Let's fucking go.

[Adam Pally]

Let's fucking go.

[John Gabris]

Let's go.

[Adam Pally]

And let's go interview Ben Rogers. All right.

[Rod Rogers]

Those run clubs are all, like, super horny now.

[John Gabris]

I think so.

[Rod Rogers]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

Well, they all stop every mile for beer.

[Adam Pally]

Step before poly.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

That's where you meet your third dipping your toe.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. Your partner's like, I joined a run club. It's like they're pretty much looking for.

[Rod Rogers]

Someone else to bring. We run to the STD clinic, a couple bars, we get our results three miles in.

[Adam Pally]

But there's also Drew Carey's house.

[John Gabris]

There's also these weird like. Like, I like Drew Carey's openness about his.

[Rod Rogers]

Like, oh, God, we had a great experience going a party at his house once where Gabrius and I, like, went to a party at his house. He's super funny. Yeah, he's super. And like. And he's like, he doesn't know us.

[Adam Pally]

From a whole wall. We were with Colton, who he does know, and he was so nice to us. It was crazy.

[Rod Rogers]

And so we. He's got this one like kind of like padded room and Gabriel Sikors is like, so is this the room? And he starts laughing. And then he told us a pretty good joke, like a kind of classic joke book joke where it's like, yeah, it kind of reminds me of the. The old joke about the. The guy who moves in the neighborhood and his neighbor says, hey, come on over tomorrow night. We're having a huge party. There's going to be everything. Fighting, dancing, drunkenness. And he's like, sounds great. What should I wear? He's like, doesn't matter. It's just going to be you and me.

[Adam Pally]

He hits that, walks out.

[John Gabris]

It's like a top tier joke.

[Adam Pally]

He had like. He had a dish of mushrooms out like it was candy. I was like, whoa. And he goes, yeah, I got my haircut today, so I've been tripping balls all day. I'm like, what do you mean by that? He's like, I like to get trip balls while I get my haircut. Here shows me in Ben a video of him in the chair and his stylist behind him and he's like, okay.

[John Gabris]

What a weird thing to say is if we all know it. Yeah. You know what I mean? Well, yeah, my bowl of mushrooms because I got my hair.

[Adam Pally]

And then we're just sitting outside like smoking weed, drinking and like Eric Idle is telling a story to a group.

[John Gabris]

That's amazing.

[Adam Pally]

It was so cool.

[John Gabris]

I only saw him recently on like, I think on a talk show or something. And they were asking about him about going to see Fish at the Sphere and he was like, yeah, I never really listened to Fish, but now I love him.

[Rod Rogers]

The Sphere is the new. Like, yeah, it doesn't. I don't care who's playing.

[John Gabris]

Like, I just said, no Doubt is playing now. And in my head I was like, I would see no Doubt at the Sphere.

[Adam Pally]

Dude, I, I've looking up at Quin Stefani. I said to everyone, if a band you remotely like comes to the Sphere, you should check it out. I do not just talk about the Eagles and I saw them there. Granted, they do have a plethora of bangers.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

But it was.

[John Gabris]

Desperado is probably cool, right? Is it cowboy themed?

[Adam Pally]

The backgrounds are fucking.

[John Gabris]

What do they do for Desperado?

[Adam Pally]

The best one was in the City. They played in the City.

[John Gabris]

And you were like, what song is that. What Eagle song is that in the city?

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. Yeah. They play some Joe Walsh solo stuff.

[John Gabris]

I love Joe Walsh solo stuff.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

But that's my favorite Joe Walsh song.

[Adam Pally]

Before the show starts. It's a sky. Like, it's just the sky. And they have this perfect AC going where you just feel like you're outside at the bowl or at the Greek or something.

[John Gabris]

Are they really tough on vaping and smoking?

[Adam Pally]

I don't remember. I definitely smoked in there.

[Rod Rogers]

I'm guessing.

[Adam Pally]

No, I definitely smoke. Really?

[John Gabris]

Because I. I feel like it would be. They'd be tough on that.

[Rod Rogers]

Really. I mean, their top shows are the Dead and Fish, but it's indoors.

[John Gabris]

Indoors. And, like, I feel like they, like.

[Rod Rogers]

And it's Vegas.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. But, like, I don't know. Something seems like I would be scared there to, like, whip out a block.

[Rod Rogers]

I mean, I'm sure the Illuminati loves it, since that will be what our, like, planet will be coming.

[Adam Pally]

We'll all be l. Living in, like, a biome.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Some sort.

[John Gabris]

If we're lucky. I mean, that's like the top 1%.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. That's like.

[Rod Rogers]

Only that's the super wealth.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Rod Rogers]

We're not gonna like anyone you're doing. Do you think we'll be in the.

[Adam Pally]

Barbed wire cage fighting each other?

[John Gabris]

We got. We got to.

[Rod Rogers]

If you get enough Blue Chew ads, you'll be allowed. What dome do you think that.

[John Gabris]

That there definitely is, like, a. A group of people that have all invested together in, like, a city situation. Absolutely underground or whatever.

[Adam Pally]

New Zealand, like, off the coast of New Zealand, that's where people are building, like, private island fortresses. I know I sound pretty. But, like, as I'm saying it, I'm.

[Rod Rogers]

Like, way too specific, way too fast.

[John Gabris]

Like, how do you know about New Zealand?

[Adam Pally]

And I realized, like, I'm on a podcast. I'm like.

[John Gabris]

But it does, like, news. Anytime I hear people escaping New Zealand, I'm like, how do they know that's not where the thing's going to hit?

[Adam Pally]

I. Dude, that's what I'm wondering is no safe place.

[John Gabris]

Right. It's just. We're just.

[Rod Rogers]

No, you're fuck. No matter. No matter what.

[John Gabris]

So it's like. But there definitely is in. In the ground. I think more or less there's some sort of safe haven.

[Adam Pally]

I think Southern California, like, living in the flood and fire and earthquake zone and, like, you know, the captain capital.

[Rod Rogers]

Of America and the second largest city in the United States, which is a target if anybody wants to, like, nuke if The AI decides to, like, just nuke us.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

If the AI gets mad that Jimmy Kimmel's back on air. Dirty ball.

[John Gabris]

President Gronk.

[Rod Rogers]

President Gronk.

[Adam Pally]

You're saying Grok.

[Rod Rogers]

Yeah, no, I'm saying Gronk, our future president.

[John Gabris]

First president was CTE.

[Adam Pally]

First. Yeah.

[Rod Rogers]

Second president. Gr. VP Grock.

[Adam Pally]

And AIF is A.I.

[Rod Rogers]

Gr.

[Adam Pally]

Gr and Gr.

[John Gabris]

And the secretary of defense is the A.I. actress.

[Rod Rogers]

Oh, yeah. What the is her name? Margaret. Margaret Atwood.

[Adam Pally]

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[John Gabris]

Rod, it's good to have you, man.

[Rod Rogers]

Yeah, great.

[Adam Pally]

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[John Gabris]

Is that one of your sponsors?

[Adam Pally]

No, not yet.

[John Gabris]

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[Rod Rogers]

No. We don't have.

[John Gabris]

What is bluechew? Is Bluechew like boner gum?

[Rod Rogers]

Yeah, everything. It's like the. What else can we make gummies, Right? The new is where we're putting all our creatine gummies.

[Adam Pally]

I saw cream.

[John Gabris]

Why did we all decide that gummies was like a. We all like it.

[Rod Rogers]

Instead of super trains. We all went like, what else can we make gummies?

[Adam Pally]

Well, it does feel like gummies must be easy to make things into because everything is like, why? Like, it started with vitamins, right? Yeah, like, oh, gummy vitamins. And then whatever baby can't swallow a pill is like, I love having my morning gummies. And someone's like, well, what if we did creatine and then wheat? People say, I'm gonna have a gummy tonight instead of even edibles anymore. Like, the word gummy is bigger than THC edibles in a way where they.

[Rod Rogers]

Say, like, gummies saved my marriage.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, I don't drink that much anymore. I just have a gummy every time.

[John Gabris]

I'm not as angry. Ask Lilith. Is this phrase ask Lilith? I'm not as angry anymore. Someone gets quite angry and a gummy quite angry. Come home, we'd have a vicious debate. Now pop one gummy. I'm easy peas.

[Rod Rogers]

I'll have one gumm. The Sopranos Is an interesting show.

[John Gabris]

I only get frustrated when my brother Niles comes over.

[Rod Rogers]

I watch the leftovers. I'm binging it.

[Adam Pally]

Gummies for the dad would be perfect because he's just, like, in a chair chilling with a dog all the time. That's the dream.

[Rod Rogers]

Yeah. They got to smash it into his food.

[John Gabris]

They should remake Frasier as, like, a stoner comedy. They're on gummies.

[Adam Pally]

They host a bad podcast in Seattle. They've already rebooted Frasier like, three times. We're pitch like, a even worse Jamaican.

[Rod Rogers]

Yeah, Jamaican. Yes, Jamaican. He gets. He gets fired from Harvard for saying some, like, pro trans stuff, and then he's got to move to Jamaica.

[Adam Pally]

Frazier's Frasier lives in is doing pirate radio out of Nagril.

[John Gabris]

N.

[Adam Pally]

He's got an accent. Okay.

[Rod Rogers]

Oh, he's putting on the patois. Him and Chad Hayes. Yeah.

[John Gabris]

Yonan.

[Adam Pally]

Ben. Did you. Did you get fitness in this morning already?

[Rod Rogers]

No, no, I did. I did some yesterday.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. What's your. I mean, you boxing still?

[Rod Rogers]

No. I haven't boxed in a long time. Boxing's a young man's game now. I just do. Yeah, now just do.

[Adam Pally]

You're a. But that thing. The timing of that was crazy.

[John Gabris]

Is that what you were trying to say?

[Rod Rogers]

Game my cardio like the T shirt I'm wearing. Funny, right?

[John Gabris]

And you're also with stupid, I guess.

[Rod Rogers]

I'm gonna change into several T shirts throughout the recording of this.

[Adam Pally]

This isn't a beer belly. It's an engine for a machine. Oh, cool. What you learned in college? That's what that tattoo says? Yeah.

[John Gabris]

Nice. Look at all those strands. That's what you learned.

[Rod Rogers]

I don't have a six pack. I got a keg.

[Adam Pally]

One tequila, two tequila, three tequila floor. I mean, this is Asbury pork. The fact that I host a podcast and don't sell tank tops on a boardwalk is absolute bullshit.

[Rod Rogers]

Seven days without rugby makes one week.

[Adam Pally]

Donate blood. Play rugby. He's a real one.

[John Gabris]

Who on the boardwalk wants all these rugby themes?

[Adam Pally]

I. I really bet you want to toss around.

[Rod Rogers]

Oh, rugby.

[Adam Pally]

Go out of business.

[Rod Rogers]

Specific lane of shirts for just rugby. I can't believe Nordy wants these rug.

[John Gabris]

Rugby themed boardwalk tanks.

[Adam Pally]

All right, you guys. You'll be laughing, you'll be begging to invest. Hey, Sharks.

[Rod Rogers]

Yeah, hey, Sharks. Everybody on the boardwalk loves D and D. And rugby.

[Adam Pally]

Take it from me. And they hate sleeves.

[John Gabris]

What are three things about the beach?

[Rod Rogers]

Okay, Sharks go. I don't know, surfing. Okay.

[Adam Pally]

Something else.

[Rod Rogers]

Those are the. Not the big ones, but the. The the top.

[John Gabris]

My question. Think. What don't you think about it to be.

[Rod Rogers]

Let me answer. Dungeons and Dragons.

[John Gabris]

So what are you doing? What? You're like, are you running?

[Adam Pally]

Cuz you're still.

[John Gabris]

You're still. We're the same. We're the same age.

[Rod Rogers]

Yeah. Yeah. We're all.

[Adam Pally]

We're still the same age.

[Rod Rogers]

We're all.

[Adam Pally]

You're still the same age as me.

[John Gabris]

Biologically. Yeah, well, biologically, but because there's no way that we are the same age. I mean, you are my youngest looking friend of the same age. No matter what mustache you have or beard, you are eternally 19.

[Adam Pally]

Well, I'll tell you. Unfortunately, I know a secret of Ben's that will break us.

[John Gabris]

What?

[Adam Pally]

He's sober.

[Rod Rogers]

Yeah, well, I stopped drinking, like eight years ago or so.

[Adam Pally]

That'll help you in the aging department? Based on what the under of mine and Adam's eyes look like, for sure.

[John Gabris]

Well, I've had a tough week.

[Rod Rogers]

You stay on a human timeline. Yeah. You don't veer into dog years quite as fast.

[John Gabris]

Right. But also, to be fair, knowing you before those eight years, you did, like, these eight years might be evening out. Like, you went hard.

[Rod Rogers]

Yeah, I mean, I went real hard.

[Adam Pally]

I mean, we were friends.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. I mean, like, we hung out all the time. The three of us were real close.

[Rod Rogers]

Yes, you are.

[John Gabris]

It's not. It's like a.

[Rod Rogers]

For a while, you think, oh, it's great to be known as the guy who drinks a lot.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, of course. Like five years.

[Rod Rogers]

Yeah, that seems great. Then. Then over time, it's like, maybe this.

[Adam Pally]

Is a bad thing.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

You get to your mid-30s and people are like, bro, you're not even drinking tonight. You're like, oh, man, I should have.

[John Gabris]

You had that moment. Have you had, like, a sad. Did you have, like a sad moment ever where you're like, where you're too drunk for the. The situation? Did you have one of those where.

[Rod Rogers]

You'Re like, gabrius and I went to a Halloween party, had a blast, went to a second party, and it was like we were speaking a different language than everyone at this party who was drinking?

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Rod Rogers]

The second party, we were just that much more up than everybody else, and.

[John Gabris]

That was the night that wasn't.

[Rod Rogers]

No, I didn't have, like. No, No, I didn't, like, rock. I'm not in, like, recovery.

[John Gabris]

Right. You're just vain.

[Rod Rogers]

No, I'm just. I honestly, I just got really bored.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Rod Rogers]

Where I was just like, I, I. And I. I've had friends laugh at me about this because, like, oh, so nothing happened. You just didn't like people telling you what to do? I was like, yeah, more or less. Where I was in a social situation where I, we were like drinking beers and I was like, I didn't even want this.

[John Gabris]

Right?

[Rod Rogers]

And I was like, so I have to have this beer.

[John Gabris]

You're rebelling against the social situation of alcohol.

[Rod Rogers]

Yeah. Where it's like, well, I like, why the am I being forced to drink this? It's. It, I mean, it sucks to.

[Adam Pally]

Here.

[Rod Rogers]

I just talked about this with somebody who's like, I'm quitting drinking. And, and I should be the last person to talk to about quitting drinking because I'm where it's like, I, I don't, I, I, I don't really know what the fucking steps to it are and stuff. And, and I could just start drinking again.

[John Gabris]

Like, yeah, it's probably personal to everybody, you know, like, even ones that are in recovery programs have to bend them to their own, you know, like, whatever works. Whatever works for you.

[Rod Rogers]

Here are my three things to get over that are a challenge. Otherwise. I found it somewhat. Okay. Dating is difficult, right? A lot of, a lot of women just like, don't want to drink around somebody who isn't drinking. I say women just because that's who I'm dating. But I'm sure that goes both ways.

[Adam Pally]

Because it's a little bit of like that mirror of like, oh, shit, I, you're not drinking and I am. You start to feel a little self conscious about what you're doing. But then there's also like, am I gonna get buzzed around and, and be embarrassing to someone who's gonna remember?

[Rod Rogers]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Because there's like this weird. When you choose to drink together, you kind of also choose to be like, we're gonna, you know, like, until most.

[Rod Rogers]

Of your friend group has kids, most people associate any social activity with like going to a bar or something.

[Adam Pally]

Right? Right. And that's like also where most first dates happen anyway is like, you're not like, like ice cream again, sweetheart.

[John Gabris]

Well, coffee dates are like a big thing, right? I like, you know what?

[Rod Rogers]

Like, not really people say coffee, but then like, you make plans and stuff and it's like, what bar should we go to?

[John Gabris]

Right.

[Rod Rogers]

Well, it's almost like you really.

[Adam Pally]

And it's also like hard to get coffee at night.

[John Gabris]

You know what I mean?

[Adam Pally]

People have jobs and stuff or you want to potentially link it to, but.

[Rod Rogers]

You get over that. And I, I like, and I don't give a Like, I, I.

[Adam Pally]

You would date a girl that drank, right? Would you? Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Rod Rogers]

I mean, a lot of times that makes it easier. So you're the, the, your weight. Wait, your waitress or whoever, like, isn't mad at you, right? Yes.

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[John Gabris]

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[Adam Pally]

That's another thing too, is that they're like, I'm not, I'm like, great. 20, right?

[Rod Rogers]

Yeah. Small bill.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Rod Rogers]

Small ass bill.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Rod Rogers]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

Okay.

[Adam Pally]

I'll just have another water.

[John Gabris]

So what are you doing otherwise then? Like, what's you're not doing?

[Adam Pally]

That was the one of three things.

[John Gabris]

Oh, yeah, three things. Sorry.

[Rod Rogers]

Yeah. Okay, edit that out. The second one is weddings. Weddings involve a lot of drinking. And that's like. I think that took like that. That's. These are places where you'll get kind of judged. I think that's why it's a challenge. So dates, you'll get kind of judged. Weddings, you'll get kind of judged. And then the biggest one. My family. Yes.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. That surprises a Buffalo.

[Rod Rogers]

Well, I'm from Buffalo. People drink, drink a lot there. But it's like kind of a work hard, play hard atmosphere. And when I stopped drinking, I remember going home and my mom, I went to my nephew's like, pizza party, you know, like, like it was his, like, third birthday or something. And, and they're sitting, everybody's sitting around having drinks, eating pizza and birthday cake. And I get home and my mom's like, are you on like a special diet or something? I'm like, you just saw me eat six slices of pizza and birthday cake. Like, what are you talking about? It took me a minute to realize she was clocking. Yeah, she was like, wondering why I wasn't drinking. And then everybody thinks, like, you fucking ran your car into a bus full of kids.

[John Gabris]

Of course there's something, Something happened because.

[Adam Pally]

They can't imagine quitting unless it was something, like, crazy. Yeah, I, I think. I don't. I haven't even quit drinking. I've just cut it in. Like, I've quartered the amount of drinking I do, which is. I still get plenty in.

[Rod Rogers]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

But when I go home to visit on Long island, it's like there's not even a choice as to what is happening. It's like if we're going to my nephew's little league game, it's. There's a cooler of white claw. You know what I mean? Like, no matter what the event is, I went, I took my nephews and family to go to the movies on, like at 10am to go see the minecraft movie and my family was like let down that the, the bar at the fucking movie theater wasn't open yet. I'm like, it's 10am on a Sunday. You could drink when we go home.

[Rod Rogers]

I think I got guilt issues too where I'm like, I'm not a workaholic, but I have the, the guilt of like I didn't get enough done today and then I'll frequently end up up working at night like when I get home from some, some like hanging out with people and, and I. You. You can't.

[Adam Pally]

That's not something that can happen if you're boo.

[Rod Rogers]

If you're kind of wasted.

[John Gabris]

Well that's like the my. Have you seen my work? You're like most of it.

[Adam Pally]

The Mark Ruffalo Hulk meme where you're like, that's because I'm always drunk. Yeah.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. Like.

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[Adam Pally]

A few of the things you said there kind of butts into like drinking got in the way of your goals. Like if you're like, I want to get more work done and get in better shape and be able to wake up in the morning and do stuff. All of a sudden you realize he's like, there's something here. I keep saying, like, I wish I was more productive and ate less. Should I stop smoking weed every day?

[Rod Rogers]

Maybe.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, right?

[John Gabris]

Yeah, maybe, maybe. I don't know if that's a symptom, though.

[Adam Pally]

No, it's not, fam.

[John Gabris]

Let's not throw the baby out of the bath.

[Rod Rogers]

People who are really sick who use it to increase their appetites.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. I mean, science behind it. Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

But what do you think? You feel I'm doing it preventatively. I'm eating so much just in case I ever do lose my appetite. I will be at plenty of like a camel.

[John Gabris]

Like a camel. Like a food camel.

[Adam Pally]

Like a bear with winter never coming. Game of Thrones.

[Rod Rogers]

You're on a gain cycle indefinitely.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, I'll do a. I'm boring.

[Rod Rogers]

I've been on 43 year bulk, bro.

[John Gabris]

This cut's gonna be violent.

[Rod Rogers]

Oh, dude, you're getting so much in.

[Adam Pally]

I'm gonna just go in a sauna for 48 hours and drink only Ozempic.

[Rod Rogers]

Drink it. It's actually better this way. It's a more bitch.

[Adam Pally]

Blood clot falls out of my ass. I just pass away.

[Rod Rogers]

Oh, you're hugging.

[John Gabris]

Pumps out of your ass.

[Rod Rogers]

Frasier's like Babylon blood clot.

[John Gabris]

There's a bubble clot. So you. Do you eat weed?

[Rod Rogers]

I love that you guys do this show. I love that you guys do this show.

[Adam Pally]

We just sit across. People are like, I'm marathon training. And I'm like, whoa, running is crazy.

[Rod Rogers]

So what would you eat weed?

[John Gabris]

Are you eating gummies?

[Rod Rogers]

I'm consistent. I'm consistent with stuff. And I like, try not to get depressed. Depressed, which I can easily get. So I try to do all the things that you're supposed to do to not be like, I try to eat fairly healthy and. And go to the gym.

[John Gabris]

You changed your diet a bunch of years ago though. Specifically, right?

[Rod Rogers]

Not really. I mean, I, I like haven't played around with my diet over the years. I still have a lot of guilt about eating animals. I do.

[John Gabris]

Right.

[Rod Rogers]

But like, I, I go up and down on levels of how you haven't.

[Adam Pally]

Eaten beef and pork and I haven't eaten pork for a really long time.

[Rod Rogers]

Yeah. Just because I like, like, I'm a, like one of those people who's overly affected by probably watching too many cartoons. And as a kid, animal lover yeah. Yeah. And like, I'll see those videos online of like a cow. Like, like being best friends with a dog. And I'll be like, well, I can't.

[John Gabris]

Don't.

[Adam Pally]

I gotta stop eating dogs.

[John Gabris]

Don't you get the ones?

[Rod Rogers]

Yeah, I gotta stop going to the dog festival.

[Adam Pally]

I guess I'm going to the dog gun range.

[John Gabris]

You get the, the, those videos in your, in your. Like, I found this baby otter, like on the side of.

[Rod Rogers]

Oh.

[Adam Pally]

And they.

[Rod Rogers]

There. It's just like text and it's like a time lapse.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. Like, and then the baby like grows up.

[Rod Rogers]

Yeah. And then he still visits me once a year.

[John Gabris]

Like flops up to the house.

[Rod Rogers]

Yeah, I get all those.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. What's your exercise?

[Rod Rogers]

Mostly weightlifting. I do, I do pretty classic weightlifting cardio.

[John Gabris]

Where are you going?

[Rod Rogers]

I go to a gym. Yeah, I go to a gym, like, walking distance from my place. I, I got a great trainer. Shout out Anna Maguire. She. She draws up my program.

[Adam Pally]

She, she's like a, A, A longdistance trainer. Like a digital trainer, right?

[Rod Rogers]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

She creates your program and you go do it. You don't.

[Rod Rogers]

Yeah, I just work out. Yeah, I just like.

[John Gabris]

You pay her for like one.

[Rod Rogers]

I pay her for like the, like every month. She kind of like changes my program and stuff.

[John Gabris]

Cool.

[Rod Rogers]

And that sounds cool. And yeah, there's a ton of trainers like this that you can find where if you just need somebody to draw you up a program, it should. She's a real, I mean, a true athlete. And I found her because I was interested in getting more gymnastics into my. All the stuff I used to do CrossFit back in the day. And there are all these little CrossFit workouts that are a challenge because they're.

[Adam Pally]

Technique focused, like handstand push ups, handstand.

[Rod Rogers]

Push ups, or like handstand walking, handstand walking, ring muscle up, stuff like that. And Anna's a former gymnast and I was like, like, hey, I want to get good at doing ring muscle ups. Can we work on that? And for a while we did, and I kind of got comfortable with them. And then now we've moved down to other stuff. But it keeps it interesting, keeps it like you're, you're not just doing deadlift squat all the time, which you can do and get results from, but it's more about just going.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, no, that's what I found.

[Adam Pally]

It also kind of helps you because it's like sometimes you walk into the gym and I'm like, okay, what the am I doing here today? Should I I should. I do cardio F. You know, and you're like, but if someone has said, like, someone who you trust and has proven that they. That works for you, you look at your thing like, oh, okay, I'm. I'm going in there. I'm doing military press. This, this, this, this. Let's go.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Rod Rogers]

And you're a little.

[Adam Pally]

You're.

[Rod Rogers]

You're held a little accountable because, one, you're paying for somebody to, like, take the time to, like, draw these things up, right? So it's like you have a. You put some money on the line and you're. You don't want to waste their time, right?

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

And then also, like, you look at the program that they made for you, and you're like, fuck, I should hit all these. Like, that. This would be good for me if I did all this in one month.

[Rod Rogers]

And it's. It's. She's writing it out. So it. One week is on top of another is on top of another. So if you miss a workout, like, well, then you're going to be fucked up then because, like, oh, now you can't go as heavy the next time or hit it as hard.

[Adam Pally]

Is it four days a week or five?

[Rod Rogers]

I do five days a week. Jesus.

[John Gabris]

I mean, I started to do five days a week, but more of the just going, like. I was like, I have to do five days a week of something that's hard. So I'll lift two of those days, run two of those days, and then do like an hour peloton one of those days. And then if I can get on the weekend, if I get it in, great. But at least five days, I've done a hard thing, and I feel like it's changed. It's like I've seen a little bit of a result, even though it's the same exercise.

[Rod Rogers]

It's like, I've told Gabriel something like, pally's looking leaner.

[John Gabris]

It's. It's. Honestly, it's been this. The podcast, like, two things. Stanger's episode, which it was like, push, pull.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, push, pull.

[John Gabris]

Legs. Legs.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

Was like. I was like, that's it. That's it. Like, he was. He was like, all you have to make sure when you go to the gym that you push something, you pull something, and you do something for your legs. I was like, oh, I was doing.

[Rod Rogers]

It, like, way wrong.

[John Gabris]

Like, I would go in there and.

[Adam Pally]

Be like, that's the simplest way to just make your program.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. So, like, you do that twice a week, three times a week. You see results. And then my dad put me on a medicine.

[Rod Rogers]

Okay.

[John Gabris]

Like, which did change my.

[Rod Rogers]

Like, I watched the clips of Dr. Pally on this show. It was great to see him.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, he looks exactly the same.

[Rod Rogers]

He's in better shape than all three of us for our listeners. I've done improv with these two guys for, like, over 20 years. And Dr. Pal used to come to our shows. Yeah. He has known us like, he used to. He used to come to see shows you weren't even in.

[John Gabris]

Oh, yeah. No, because he wouldn't want to check up on you guys.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, yeah.

[John Gabris]

Truly, he had rot. Like. Like, he still does that, which is very sweet. Like, he's. When. When we check in with each other, he runs down the list of like, how's this person? How's this person? How's this person? How's this person? And I go, they're good. And he's like, no, no. I want to know where they're working, what they're working on, where they're gonna.

[Rod Rogers]

Send them my headshot and if I.

[John Gabris]

Should send them a script. Yeah, Truly.

[Adam Pally]

I mean, he's this new voiceover, this new.

[John Gabris]

The last.

[Rod Rogers]

I feel like Pally and Pal's old stuff is gonna come back around this last month.

[John Gabris]

Being around him is wild.

[Adam Pally]

You've created the monster.

[John Gabris]

I did. I knew it was gonna. I said it. When they asked him if he was gonna come on, I was like, he can come on, but it's gonna be a mistake. Instantly he's asking. He's like, what would my version of a podcast look like? Who do I talk to at Smart List? I have an idea, like, 15 minute show where I listen to callers and give out.

[Rod Rogers]

Oh, Frasier.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, Wait, but this is better. I go. I go, all right, Dad, I guess I'll. I'll talk. So maybe. Yeah, maybe that'd be funny if you and I were, like, taking calls. He goes, oh, I wanna do with Anthony. Anthony Atamanek. And I was like, I'd rather work.

[Adam Pally]

With someone even fucking.

[John Gabris]

You wanna do a medical call in show with Anthony Ataminek? He was like, yeah, I just feel like me and him would have better chemistry. I was like, okay. He's like, he's my patient. And so he's been my patient for, like, 10 years. So.

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[John Gabris]

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[Rod Rogers]

I didn't know that.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, Anthony's been my dad's patient since Ruru. And he's like, I just know. I'm really well. Well know everything about him. He knows everything about you.

[Adam Pally]

Does it surprise you that Anthony has a concierge doctor.

[Rod Rogers]

I got to tell you, I tell. That he doesn't pay for. So, yeah, Anthony. Anthony and I live on opposite coasts. We don't get to see each other that much. But anytime I talk to that guy on the phone, man, I cry, laughing. He's the funniest person on the planet. I'm sure. It's like, you're your dad's favorite patient.

[John Gabris]

He did. My dad loves going over there. Loves nothing more than then. And he'll tell me, be like, go see Anthony today. I'm like, I think you're breaking FEMA. Like, that's not. You can't like. Or HIPAA.

[Rod Rogers]

Yeah, yeah. FEMA's bird got broke by Brownie.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Hell of a job, Brownie.

[Rod Rogers]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

But like, it was.

[Adam Pally]

It's a topical reference.

[Rod Rogers]

Yeah, yeah. Shout out 2004.

[Adam Pally]

Politics.

[Rod Rogers]

21 years ago, when we thought things were bad. 21 years ago, Bush, man. Bush fucking. We got to deal with W. What a idiot. God, who would have thought?

[John Gabris]

I met W. And he was like, kind of funny, charming in that way. Like, he was like. Like, he had that kind of like, hey, man.

[Rod Rogers]

Yeah, that's why he won. That's why he won the.

[John Gabris]

I know, but that's what I mean.

[Adam Pally]

Like, I mean, he was objectively, like. He was objectively char. He's like a war criminal that, like, people you hug when you see him.

[Rod Rogers]

But it was like, I'm doing paintings now.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, that's when I met him. He was doing paintings on Jimmy Kimmel and I was the other guest. And. And I like, they were like, do you want to meet the President? I was like, ah, I'm okay. Like, I'm, you know, I don't meet the President.

[Rod Rogers]

I always love that Will Frell. Like, didn't want to go meet him.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. I was like, I don't really need to meet him. And then. And then he, like, walked through and I was like, hello. And. And. And he was like, hey, man, love what you're doing. You never seen whatever. I was like, thanks. And then. Then he had like, an easel with.

[Adam Pally]

Him showing Jimmy Kimmel's paint.

[Rod Rogers]

Bob Ross.

[John Gabris]

So weird. Like, that's the guy who, like, lied about mess weapons.

[Adam Pally]

And right over here, we got ourselves a Muslim detainee. Just want to beat the devil out of it.

[Rod Rogers]

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[Adam Pally]

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[Adam Pally]

Getting more and more topical as this.

[John Gabris]

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[John Gabris]

So you're too old for bot do you find you don't take classes at the gym, right?

[Rod Rogers]

No, no, I don't. I don't.

[John Gabris]

Do you find yourself being the oldest at the gym?

[Rod Rogers]

No, not really. I kind of can't tell. I just switched up gyms recently. I found one closer to my place and I feel like it is a little bit younger. But here's the thing. Not a lot of people go to the gym every day.

[John Gabris]

Really?

[Rod Rogers]

Like you'd be shocked. It's usually you get used to seeing every gym I've ever gone to. It basically becomes you and five other.

[John Gabris]

People that are in your time zone.

[Rod Rogers]

That are in your time slot that are there every day.

[John Gabris]

Right?

[Rod Rogers]

It's and it's and they come and go, but it's usually a very, very small amount of people. I'm sure if you're working out at like 7 in the morning every morning, it's crazy. But I'm right.

[John Gabris]

I've never been.

[Adam Pally]

I wish I could be the guy who wakes up, yeah, goes to the gym, gets my lift in and then.

[John Gabris]

My say hi to the girl working soon the counter because you're in morning. It's like I wish I had that.

[Adam Pally]

My brother is works at a school. He works in, in education. He is the dude who's waiting in the parking lot for the guy to open the gym. He's like at the gym at 4:55am waiting for the 5:00am I mean that's awesome. I wish drinking his pre workout in his car.

[John Gabris]

Like any gym I've ever belonged to, I had to get a pass. Like when I lived in la I had to get a pass. It was like you can go to any of their locations because I would just be like to get a workout in wherever I was in the day. Which is the worst because you're always like looking for a space and then.

[Adam Pally]

You'Re like now it's only. I only have 45 minutes now that.

[Rod Rogers]

I've parked exactly like we talked about not drinking before. But probably one the, the bigger secret to my, my fitness regime is probably not having kids also.

[John Gabris]

Right?

[Rod Rogers]

Yeah. Which definitely helps of like you look better than me. It is like thing like a lot of those people have kids where it's like you gotta like you gotta do.

[Adam Pally]

Drop off and then go right to the.

[John Gabris]

Well that's what, that's what my. It's always a negotiation of like it would, it would be easier if I had a job that was like nine to five every day. But we're working on these things where it's like I gotta zoom at.

[Rod Rogers]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

At 11 LA time is my first thing. But then after that I have four hours of meetings and an audition. So my day kind of starts at 33 in New York. So like if, what do you do? Like I gotta drop off the kids and then how do you. Yeah.

[Rod Rogers]

Like it's just so it becomes like.

[Adam Pally]

A Tetris and that's what makes my brain go like. I wish I could just be the guy who's like alarm goes off at 6:30 and he's at the gym by 7:15 and he's done working out by 9.

[John Gabris]

All this start it probably gives even for us like more it would probably be beneficial to just have that standing call time every day and know you have to do it and then you have a little bit of order in your day. I know as opposed to just like survival.

[Rod Rogers]

But know what I try to do New Year's resolutions every year. I, I usually can't but I, I do kind of think they're a good idea and, and I, I feel like if you start with like A simple enough one. I. I mean, a long time ago, mine was like making my bed every day. Like.

[John Gabris]

Like that.

[Rod Rogers]

Like where it's like. And that's become like, no, no, I didn't do, like in my 20s, I.

[John Gabris]

Didn'T do Daniela when I. When I got married. Danielle. Daniela was like a bed.

[Rod Rogers]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

Make. Because of a. She's like, I like to make the bed so that I don't get back in it. And you know what I mean? Like, if I have nothing to do, you know, it's like, you make the bed, the bed's made you leave.

[Adam Pally]

It is nice to get into a made bed at the end of the night when you don't make your bed.

[Rod Rogers]

And you're like, unfortunately, like, the Jordan Peterson bullshit kind of like, made like now I'm even embarrassed to say that.

[Adam Pally]

Right?

[Rod Rogers]

But one of mine a couple of years ago was to try to wake up early, like, like, like become a morning person. Because I'm not. Not. And then I talked to a friend of ours who has kids, and he was asking me, it was right after New Year's. He's like, are you doing any New Year's resolution or anything? I'm like, yeah, I'm trying to wake up real early and kind of get my day started earlier. He's like, do you have kids? And I was like, no. And he's like, then why the fuck would you do that? Sleep as long as you can sleep all day. I wish I could do that.

[John Gabris]

I think there's a happy medium in that. As someone with kids who sometimes finds themselves on the road on an off day where you can sleep all day, it's never. No, I mean, it's never fulfilling. You're like, you. Even when you're so tired and you sleep all day, you still have that thing. You're like, God, I. I'll be dead soon. I just wasted a day whenever I.

[Rod Rogers]

Get some bizarre, like, I don't know, sugar rush or something that hits me at 5:30 in the morning and I'm like, just up. And I cannot. Like, this is fucking great.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, I read I was for. In the pan, towards the tail end of the pandemic, I was like, I gotta like, reset my clock because I'm just playing video games till like three in the morning. So I just started setting my alarm for 7am every day. And then I would start just eyes open at 6:58am and just see my clock and shut my alarm off before it made a noise. And then I would be up for like an Hour and a half alone in my apartment and I'm like, oh, this is like weirdly peaceful. I'll make coffee. Read a book.

[Rod Rogers]

Here. It's like cool still, like temperature wise. Yeah. Where it's, it's not like you don't feel like you're living in hell.

[John Gabris]

No. And at home it's, it's perfect right now.

[Rod Rogers]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

Someone interviewed Method man and was like, you, you made yoke. Now he's yoked and, and he's like 60 and he looks amazing.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

And someone was like, how did you get so yoked? Like late in, late in life and what spurned it on? And he was like, I have insomnia. And like four or five years ago, I started to wake up, up at like 4 in the morning. And instead of just like fighting it and rolling around and going back to sleep, I would get out of bed and work out. And he's like. And what ended up happening is that I was working out every single day, twice a day.

[Rod Rogers]

Imagine living below Method Man. Yeah.

[John Gabris]

You just hear him like, here's Go.

[Rod Rogers]

Out of your mind. Dropping weights, three in the morning, vibrational.

[John Gabris]

Voice out to like Limp Biscuit or.

[Rod Rogers]

Something, you know, and then you like finally work up the courage to like knock on your neighbor's door and it's Method Man. You're like, well, just wanted to say I'm a.

[John Gabris]

Whatever.

[Adam Pally]

Carry on. Shaolin for life. Tangs for the children.

[John Gabris]

Oh, no, no. I was just. Sorry, I didn't know you lived here. Big fan.

[Adam Pally]

Love how high?

[John Gabris]

Big fan.

[Rod Rogers]

I know. Andy Milanagan. God. You know what? I don't do dating apps anymore. But that was bad. Like being on dating apps, I'm sure.

[John Gabris]

I was just like looking at vintage watch, just being like, yes. And then you're like, wow, it's four in the morning.

[Rod Rogers]

Yes.

[Adam Pally]

If, yeah, if you think like the, the social media apps get you with like, you know, the promise of sex or cleavage or busty, whatever. The idea of dating apps has got to be even harder where you're like, oh my God, I'm so horny. It's the middle of the night.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, I know. It's like, that's, that's crazy. That's. And I, I, I heard from a.

[Adam Pally]

Friend of mine, she was like, she's like, people, I'll wake up in the morning and have messages from guys. And she's like, what was I on last night? Like, I gotta, now I gotta talk to this guy. I was just in the middle of the night, horny, going like, hey, just checking back.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Now these guys are running back and she's like, whoops.

[Rod Rogers]

We talked at 1:30am Checking back. Circling back. Haven't heard from you.

[Adam Pally]

Five hours. Are you okay?

[John Gabris]

Clock emoji. Clock emoji.

[Rod Rogers]

What are you doing?

[Adam Pally]

Based on your photo, I noticed that.

[Rod Rogers]

Question. How was your day?

[Adam Pally]

What do you got planned for this wonderful Friday?

[Rod Rogers]

Any big weekend plans?

[Adam Pally]

What's up for the weekend? Weekend? Me. I'm going to see the Eagles at the Sphere with my dad. I'm going with my dad. He's a Force ghost. He's in the show.

[Rod Rogers]

Do you like Force?

[Adam Pally]

Do you like the Force?

[Rod Rogers]

I'm sure you like Star Wars. But more specifically, would you worship the Force if it was real, or would.

[John Gabris]

You be a rebel, which I also respect.

[Rod Rogers]

I don't understand.

[John Gabris]

There's two sides to every coin.

[Rod Rogers]

Even being part of the empire, if you're born into it. I get it.

[John Gabris]

I understand. Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

It depends on how you grow up, you know?

[Rod Rogers]

Do you have pets? I have four counts.

[Adam Pally]

Are you doing anything specific for your mental health, Raj?

[Rod Rogers]

I mean, all this kind of is for, like, my body type doesn't really change that much. So it is more like Jim is therapy. Jim is therapy and kind of try not to eat, like, too much garbage.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. Are you going to therapy? Therapy?

[Rod Rogers]

I do. I. I love my therapy.

[Adam Pally]

Jim is therapy and therapy is Jim. You work.

[John Gabris]

You work out.

[Rod Rogers]

He's your trainer. He makes me do, like, suicides. He calls him suicide.

[Adam Pally]

Still. I think you're a lot brazen.

[Rod Rogers]

Yeah, brazen. Change the name.

[Adam Pally]

My therapist actually do suicides too, but it's the one where you drink one of each piece of soda from the episode of Them Now.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, of course. My therapist. Now it's time for our favorite exercise, Russian Roulette.

[Rod Rogers]

My therapist is 80 years. Like, I. I don't think he's quite 80, but he's. But he's getting out there and always has good. It's the. The first therapist I've. I've ever had who. Who talks, like, throughout therapy.

[John Gabris]

Right. Not one of the ones that's like, well, it's not about how it makes what. I think it's about how you feel, which is, like, so frustrating.

[Rod Rogers]

Yes. I think it's because he's a little bit older and just like, we don't have time to waste.

[John Gabris]

He's like, yeah, I'm gonna die. Yeah.

[Rod Rogers]

Let's just talk about it.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. I have an. I have an old man therapist, too, that I really dig. I don't he's an old, old hippie guy.

[John Gabris]

I have a young woman. Yeah, no, I do. My therapist. I have, like, a doctor.

[Rod Rogers]

How horny I am.

[John Gabris]

Honestly, it's not great. I have a. I have a Dr. Melfi.

[Rod Rogers]

I know.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. I mean, she's amazing. I've had her for like five years now and, like, know where I'd be without her. But also she's like. Oftentimes I have. Daniel's like, are you doing, like, an emergency session?

[Adam Pally]

I don't know.

[John Gabris]

I just. Feeling a little untethered.

[Rod Rogers]

Another dream where my wife's body has my therapist's head.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Rod Rogers]

Oh, my God.

[Adam Pally]

I'm. I gotta do a zoom therapy. I know I'm in Vegas at a bachelor party, but I'm not gonna miss out on this.

[John Gabris]

She's getting messages. What are you doing for the weekend?

[Adam Pally]

What are you up to this weekend?

[John Gabris]

Friday afternoon.

[Rod Rogers]

Doctor.

[Adam Pally]

My therapist is a touch on the hippie dippy, like, new age side. And I kind of don't hate it.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

But every once in a while, he'll just say something where he's like, and. And that's because you're vibrating at a higher frequency.

[Rod Rogers]

And I'll be like, oh, well. Do you know what chakra that is?

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, it's like the two in the pink, one in the stage. No shot. Should I turn it? Should I turn those?

[Rod Rogers]

Well.

[Adam Pally]

Well, the thing has.

[John Gabris]

The thing has a dial.

[Rod Rogers]

I could turn it.

[John Gabris]

It down.

[Rod Rogers]

You want me to give myself the shocker?

[Adam Pally]

I. He puts a dog collar on me and I'm like, oh, really?

[John Gabris]

Makes you run past a certain distance on his front lawn. Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Lets me play with his invisible fence.

[Rod Rogers]

It's actually been really helpful. Like, it's help me out, help me with boundaries stuff. Yeah. Yeah, it's helped me with boundaries. I did have a therapist. I've had. I. I've tr. I've tried several therapists throughout my life. And I do. I am not someone who thinks of therapy is like, it's probably wrong. But the amount of people I know who don't like their therapists are like, but we've been together for so long. It's like a toxic relationship. I'm like, we can end it.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

I broke up with a therapist. And I was like, I. I don't think. I kind of feel like we're stalled. And he was like, this is totally. Makes sense. Like, you're switching up your pro. And for, like, meatheads. It's like you switch up your programming every once in a while, you know?

[John Gabris]

What?

[Adam Pally]

I mean, where you're like, periodization. You're. This person took me to a certain place. But now, because I'm on my second therapist, or third, technically, one. Just didn't really. One. I was like, this is just. We're just friends with benefits. I sucked him off, and now I can't see. I can't make eye contact.

[Rod Rogers]

All old men. I tried one who. I think he was projecting too much of his kid on me and then started to, like, weirdly judge me, like a dad would. Where was like, wait, so you're already, like, out of that relationship? You guys already slept with each other and you're not talking?

[Adam Pally]

And I was like, yeah, yeah. That's what I thought about it.

[John Gabris]

I thought, it's not what you think. It's how I feel.

[Rod Rogers]

And then he kind of walked it back a little bit. I think he knew he was a little judgmental. And then I was like, you know what? I don't think this is working out. We had just started working together, and he was, like, totally cool with it. But then I saw him walking around like. Like, near my neighborhood, and because his office was close by, and I was like, seen him out of the office with. He had, like, this big backpack on and, like, a weird hat. And I was like, I told this guy all my shit. Yeah, now he's weirdo.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

I. During the pandemic, my therapist also, back in the day, he also worked. This is my first one, also worked in Palm Springs, and I was out in Palm Springs. And he's like, we could do face to face outside if you'd like. Because we'd been on Zoom. We were previously face to face. I was like, oh, that'd be nice. Yeah, I'll take a little trip over. We'll meet up at a cafe, and we can. And he's like, yeah, that'd be great. We went to the cafe and he ate in front of me. And I was like, I'm out.

[Rod Rogers]

I'm out.

[Adam Pally]

I can't do this anymore. He's like, eating a Reuben, and it's all crazy. And I'm like, what the fuck am I doing? I don't want to see this.

[John Gabris]

Can I use this napkin? Yeah. Is it going to make you uncomfortable.

[Adam Pally]

If I use this napkin?

[John Gabris]

Interesting.

[Adam Pally]

Did your father also take your napkins?

[John Gabris]

Big shout out to Hollywood. I once got recommended. I didn't know who to use, and it was like, I had to get one. And I got referred to it by, like, Hollywood, like, an agent was like, this is a good One. Go. Go to this one. I was like. And I.

[Adam Pally]

It was Dr. Drew.

[John Gabris]

It was Dr. Drew. And I called and I started. Had, like, two, three sessions. And she was very sweet. She had, like, an office in, like, Westwood. Like, it was very nondescript and sweet, but the agent was like, she's got a lot of celebrity clients. And I was like, oh, okay. And then after, like, two, three sessions, she was like, I have some unfortunate news. My phones have been being tapped by the British tabloids, and I'm gonna. I'm gonna have to be taking a break from my practice for a little bit. And I was like, what?

[Adam Pally]

Oh, shit. Megan was her client.

[John Gabris]

I don't know who was her client, but I was like, that's fucking cr. It was crazy. It sucked. And I only had, like, two, three sessions, so I wasn't, like, that far.

[Rod Rogers]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

But it's still, like, kind of scarred.

[Adam Pally]

Me from the deep state's coming from a sniper. Like, fucking.

[Rod Rogers]

I would not want that.

[John Gabris]

It was bad.

[Rod Rogers]

There's this therapist office in Los Angeles that is right next to a taco restaurant where I've eaten with the two of you. And the placement couldn't be worse because it's like, a ton of therapists in this building, what looks like an apartment building building. And the amount of times I've eaten tacos and ran into, like, somebody I know who's like, got that post thousand mile stare. Post therapy where you're like, hey, what's up? And they're just. Just getting out of therapy. Yeah, Just.

[Adam Pally]

That's my, like, entire life history. It's just like, what's up, you fat? How you doing? How's your little dick doing? It's like, I just came from my mother's funeral.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. It was like, the worst.

[Adam Pally]

Moms be dying.

[Rod Rogers]

Like, what?

[Adam Pally]

And I'm like, I don't know. I'm so stuck.

[John Gabris]

So sorry.

[Adam Pally]

I can't get out of this, brother.

[John Gabris]

Oh.

[Rod Rogers]

The amount of messages I've gotten over the years that are just like, hey, sorry if that was weird. I just got out of therapy.

[Adam Pally]

You know what's a wild one? When I'm really, like, the reverse, where someone comes up to you and does a bit and you are in, like, a badass, terrible headspace. But I, like, I'm so broken.

[John Gabris]

And I'm just like, you. I don't know how you.

[Rod Rogers]

Ah.

[Adam Pally]

You know, I'm like, ready to just get on a podcast and be like, this is Staying Alive with John and Adam. You know, I'm like, meanwhile, like, an Hour ago, I was bawling my eyes out. I'm just like, squeak, squeak. All right, time to be a sociopath. Yeah, there is some time to give a shit about Ben's workout routine. Something I actually talk to him about almost daily.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, you ask us both that every. Every chance we see.

[Adam Pally]

I love talking about what people are doing programming wise.

[John Gabris]

So what. What's your, like, Cheat. What do you like when you. When you. When you're like, I'm feeling like I give myself something, what do you. What do you. Do you. You know, do you ever make misbehave?

[Rod Rogers]

Yeah, I mean, like, for me, like, a big, rich meal is usually at a fancy restaurant. Fancy restaurant. Or even like a shitty plate. Like, like kind of junk food. Like, yeah, burrito and these. They add up.

[Adam Pally]

Your heroin is ice cream because.

[John Gabris]

Are you an ice cream? It's old Joe Biden.

[Rod Rogers]

It's more. I. I think it's like pizza is like, probably like my. My favorite kind of cheese food. But yeah, ice cream I'll have sometimes and. But like, I. It. My body doesn't process.

[Adam Pally]

I'm saying I choose poison. When you. When you choose ice cream. Yeah. You're always like, I'm dying. I had ice cream.

[Rod Rogers]

No, I mean, I can have cheese and stuff, but for some reason, I don't know if it's like the sugar, like in the ice cream or what, but it rips my stomach apart.

[Adam Pally]

That's wild.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. Yeah. You're fragile.

[Adam Pally]

I ate tamales and wings last night watching the Giants Eagles game, and I feel like absolute dog.

[John Gabris]

I had a cheese plate. Like, I can't remember last time I had just like, meats and cheeses, like, social. Socially. And I had a migraine from, like, salon.

[Rod Rogers]

The fucking nitrates.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, from like the. I can. And you know, they're specific. Like, you can feel your. Like I woke up and my head was like, oh, that's a meat headache. That's like.

[Adam Pally]

I've got a meat headache.

[John Gabris]

You know, some.

[Rod Rogers]

Every once in a while I'll also just, like, embrace staying up late as hell. Like, that's kind of another where you think, you know what? I'm fucking staying up all night.

[John Gabris]

Do you like seeing the sun. Sun come up. That doesn't make you sick?

[Rod Rogers]

No, I mean, it's just like, you know what? I'm gonna have one of those nights where I'm just gonna.

[Adam Pally]

I'm gonna put on another.

[Rod Rogers]

I'm gonna put on a movie. I'm gonna watch a whole movie.

[Adam Pally]

It's 11pm at midnight, I'm gonna throw on something.

[Rod Rogers]

I'm going to bed at three in the morning.

[John Gabris]

Right.

[Rod Rogers]

Like, I'm watching.

[John Gabris]

Because you want, you want to. You have the freedom to do that.

[Rod Rogers]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

And I'll, I'll do that every once in a while and be like, well, tomorrow I don't even have anything till noon, so I can. I. I'll stay up till three. And if I sleep in, I sleep in, and then I won't ever sleep in.

[Rod Rogers]

My body, I think if you embrace it, it's actually pre. More the guilt hits me if I'm like, man, why the did I do that?

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

If you make the conscious effort to be like, okay, I'm gonna put on the red Sonja reboot.

[Rod Rogers]

I'm gonna go see a movie at midnight, which requires driving. I'm gonna go.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, you're going to see like one battle after another at the Vista.

[Rod Rogers]

Yes.

[Adam Pally]

We went there together at midnight.

[Rod Rogers]

No, no, no, no. We want like a reasonable hour.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Rod Rogers]

Loved seeing it in the, the, the theater with a bunch of, of old improv friends, which I think is also to bring it back to mental health. Doing little things like that, trying to. Which gets increasingly more complicated with each passing year.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. The older you get, the harder it is to like, see to do things with people. It's easy to get in your routine or your rut of like, it actually doesn't make sense for me to go catch up with my friends because I have to do blank, blank and blank. And then when you do it, you. You're like, there's that fucking meme that's going around Instagram that's like, almost forgot. This is what it's all about where. And people post themselves doing things that are fun or whatever. And you're like, you forget. Like, you're like so concerned with work and like all your negative shit that's going on. And like, fuck, I didn't get enough sleep last night. I can't believe I missed the gym. Then you go and you hang and like, you hang out with friends and you're like, oh, fuck, this is like, this is great. This feels. I mean, you like accidentally forget to.

[John Gabris]

Do like, you were just telling me you're going to Halloween Horror Nights with. With Dippold in that crew. Like, that is an annual.

[Rod Rogers]

We just saw a haunted house.

[Adam Pally]

We went to haunted house with that crew.

[John Gabris]

That crew is awesome. That's a tradition. That's like long tenured.

[Adam Pally]

And when you, when people say that shit like, found family and then you are in your 40s and live alone. Like. Like you're in your 40s, you have no kids, no family on the west coast. And then. But you always have Halloween plans or you always have like this thing that you do with your friends. Like, we benefit because we. We get to collaborate for work. Like, we get to do Action boys multiple times a month, basically.

[Rod Rogers]

Like a more professional version of just like a book club.

[John Gabris]

Right? Exactly. It's still interest based, you know. Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

But then it's like this thing where you're like, oh, fuck. Yeah. This is what they talk about when they say found family. Like, I have adults in my life that do the same activities as me that I can call and be like, should we go on a hike? And it's like, that's. That's the kind of story stuff that like, is. Is. Feels so good in the moment, but has also been proven, like, scientifically to be very good for us.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, it's. It. You get less and less people around you the older you get. That's unhealthy and that's hard to. You know what I mean?

[Adam Pally]

And it's like childless guys, like, you kind of childless people, you run into that thing of like, who is going to be there for me when I'm like 60, 65, like. And you're like, I guess it's going to be my friends.

[Rod Rogers]

Yeah, my mom was. I was on the phone with my mom and she was talking about a friend of her, like, hers that I think she was trying to kind of put some guilt on me of like, never going home. But it was. It was like, I mean, just like their kids are basically taking care of them. What do these people with no kids do? And not thinking that I don't have kids, I was like, we die. Like, that's what.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, you want to know who died during COVID People that had no one to call them and find out that they couldn't breathe. Like, that's who died.

[Adam Pally]

Like, along these lines, someone said to me, it's like, are you not concerned about what, like having someone to take care of you when you get older because you don't have kids? Or I'm like, I'm like, are you taking care of your parents right now? And I'm like, I'm like, I'm not taking care of my mom and I won't be. No, I. And so I. I already have kind of.

[Rod Rogers]

I'm. I'm preemptively anxious about the spite my brother is going to have towards me. My brother who. Who still Lives in Buffalo when he's got to deal with the brunt.

[Adam Pally]

Well, that's what kind of happened when my dad died, is that my brothers, because they lived there, and my one brother lived in the house, was, like, forced to deal with all that aftermath with just my mom. And now my mom is, you know, even older, and they're. And they're. I have, like, this west. Like, I'm fully, like, kind of removed from it and it. And. But my mom, bless her soul, she got crazy good nursing home insurance that she gets full care on. Like, we don't. We won't go broke if my mom gets put in a home.

[John Gabris]

That's amazing.

[Adam Pally]

And she's like, I overpay for it now. It's crazy, but I. I just see how many people go broke in nursing homes. And I was like, that's. Families go broke in nursing homes.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Like, it's like. And so I was like, oh, good work, mom. She's like, or I could always move out to Cali. And I'm like, good work on the nursing home.

[John Gabris]

We told my dad that if anything happened, he could live in or our basement.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

And, like. Because he's like, I won't go out to New Jersey. I was like, well, yeah, you got to be near the bright lights.

[Rod Rogers]

My dad's plan. It's always like, there's a file.

[John Gabris]

Your dad is Meet the Fox.

[Rod Rogers]

There's a file with what? It's like, find the cheapest box.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, that.

[Rod Rogers]

Find the cheapest box. I want to burn. I want to get, like. I want to be creaming your. Your mom doesn't want that.

[Adam Pally]

It's like, same thing my dad said. Pine bucks.

[Rod Rogers]

Yes.

[Adam Pally]

And. And cremate me. And my mom's, like, too Catholic to life. That's my mom.

[Rod Rogers]

My mom's the same way. It's like.

[Adam Pally]

And then every once in a while, we'll be, like, visiting the graveside. My mom would be like, I feel like I probably should have done what he wanted.

[John Gabris]

I'm like, oh, wow.

[Rod Rogers]

I wouldn't let it bother you.

[Adam Pally]

The other thing.

[Rod Rogers]

My mom didn't. Ultimately, doesn't matter.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Rod Rogers]

Really, it's over.

[Adam Pally]

My dad refused to retire from work even when he was fully incapacitated. If he would have retired, my mom would have his pension. Oh. But he refused to because he thought he was gonna go back to work, and my mom couldn't bring herself to retire him. So, like, all this pension money, just, like, you know, and it's just, like, one of those things where, like, my Dad's pride. So if listeners. If that's a situation your family's in, someone, you know, someone's got. I was gonna say pull the trigger, but that's not the right phrasing. I just walk out, shoot my dad in the head. I'm like, he's retired.

[Rod Rogers]

I mean, working. There's so much connected. A thing I have been trying to do is I try. Try to. Like, I talked about working late at night, and these are. These aren't jobs. These are my own, like, projects. Project. These are, like, hobbies, basically, or, like, you know, maybe. Hopefully not a script.

[Adam Pally]

Like, I know for a fact Ben is also learning Spanish like I am. And it's like, trying to learn when you're an adult feels crazy, but then when you do it, it does feel good. It feels good to make progress. Yeah. Especially in an industry that feels sisyphean in that, like, I. I'm like, finally progress. And then it's like, whoa, this looks exactly the same as it did like, a year ago. And it's just the same over and over again.

[Rod Rogers]

Oh, God.

[Adam Pally]

So getting better at something that is, like.

[Rod Rogers]

And that you're bad at. I mean, I am bad at Spanish.

[John Gabris]

Oh, yeah.

[Rod Rogers]

Like, I am like. Like, I had to find a. I had to find a teacher who. Who specialized in learning disabilities. I mean, there's so much dyslexia in my family.

[John Gabris]

Where.

[Rod Rogers]

Where. And our listeners make fun of me all the time for. What did I say in a. I said shalia Tire.

[Adam Pally]

Oh, yeah, yeah. The. The one that. The word that hit the most for us was modern. When you would say, yeah, I swap.

[Rod Rogers]

My E's and R's. Like, I swap words out, so. And then learning another language on top, like. Like swapping.

[Adam Pally]

I find myself sometimes going, like, I'm not exactly positive how to spell gorilla, but let me just, like, throw what it is in there. And then it's like, G1, R2L's. Yeah.

[John Gabris]

LLA. Glorilla.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. Glorilla.

[John Gabris]

Is that what you asked?

[Adam Pally]

How do you spell glow?

[Rod Rogers]

Rilla.

[Adam Pally]

How do you spell sweetie?

[John Gabris]

Chachi.

[Rod Rogers]

I got my glowrilla. This is where you, like, like, put your gorilla in, like, a salon and.

[Adam Pally]

Like, got my Glorilla up. She's also a recording artist. She's a very good rap.

[Rod Rogers]

Yeah, I. I love learn Spanish.

[Adam Pally]

Me too.

[Rod Rogers]

And it's. It's really take. It's like, little by little. It's like. So it's kind of like extra therapy also. Where. Where I'm now just always. I have this whole separate relationship with my Spanish tutor.

[John Gabris]

That sounds like Ben.

[Rod Rogers]

I mean, she's great. She, she, she, she, she.

[Adam Pally]

My, I have a Senora Melfi Milfetta Maestra. Mel. Rogers. Thank you so much for coming on Staying Alive.

[Rod Rogers]

Thanks for having me. Great to see you guys, as always.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. I miss you, man.

[Rod Rogers]

Yeah, you do. Yeah. I, I, I wish you were around more.

[John Gabris]

I know, I know. I'm going to make a concerted effort.

[Rod Rogers]

I don't come to New York enough either.

[John Gabris]

I know. But I'm going to make a concerted effort to be around. I'm going to make more money this year.

[Adam Pally]

Aren't we all? This is the year I say that to myself every year. This is the year I start actually making money.

[Rod Rogers]

I'm actually going to, going to try making money.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. This year, this is the year where it's not going to be a big deal to buy a plane ticket.

[Adam Pally]

God. Good luck and God bless.

[John Gabris]

Thanks, Raj. King. King.

[Adam Pally]

You know what I was going to say, we are recording multiple episodes today, and I'm a little bummed about that because I'm kind of inspired to go lift weights right now, post that interview. I, I, I almost like these conversations get me amped up. And then it's like, oh, right, we got to have more conversations.

[John Gabris]

And then by the end of the.

[Rod Rogers]

Day, you're like, I, yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Now I'm like, can't fucking exercise now. I talk to fucking three different freaks for an hour.

[John Gabris]

Rogers is one of those dudes that my whole life, since I've known him, he, he does have this, like, aspirational Zen quality to him that I think is like, he does seem to have.

[Adam Pally]

Life figured out a touch more than the rest of us.

[John Gabris]

A little bit. Yeah. And I always, I mean, if you.

[Adam Pally]

Talk to him, he would never say.

[John Gabris]

Anything, but that's refreshing too, you know? But I think from that, from, from my view of him, even if his life, even at times when his life has been hard and, and he walks through it in a way that's like kung fu or something.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. You kind of like, you end up like, looking up to him and is like completely. Even though we're like the same age, he gives out this like preternatural maturity or something.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. It's just like, even when we were kids, I remember when we were improvising, like, he looked like a little like 19 year old from like a boarding school.

[Rod Rogers]

Yeah, yeah.

[John Gabris]

But he would talk to, he would, like, explain things to you.

[Adam Pally]

You know, he's a crazy, like, whatever that Autodidact or whatever. He, like, teaches himself Stu all the time. He's like. He's like one of the few guys I know. He's like, yeah, I. I rebuilt the bike off of a YouTube tutorial. Now I'm a. Now I ride bikes. Or like, he gets into, like, a hobby and then, like, does an insane amount of research and, like, knows more about. Yeah. And you're like, damn, I don't have that. All that stuff to me feels like homework or schoolwork and I reject it.

[John Gabris]

Like, yeah, my. Anything where. My, like where I'm going to have to work, where I'm going to be bad at it right away becomes challenging and I have to prep myself. But he was talking about that a little bit. He's like, it's nice to be bad at something.

[Adam Pally]

I feel that's some. I think that's my superpower in life is that I'm comfortable being like the rookie mentality. I'm comfortable showing up somewhere and being not knowing at all what is how to do it or what's going on. Arguably, I thrive in it because I really enjoy the anxiety that comes with, like, what are we about to do? Like, that was what our travel show was. That is like, how I've chased life since.

[John Gabris]

I feel like I used to be better at it. And age has kind of like, made it harder to not know what I'm getting into. Right. You know, but I still. Yet sometimes those situations, like, I still thrive on them. So it's like a third rail type thing.

[Adam Pally]

You're like, okay, I guess I'll do this.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, Stay on, Stan. Never gonna get me. You're never gonna get me.

[Adam Pally]

I mean, I could have gotten you.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, but you didn't. That's the whole point of staying Duel.

[Rod Rogers]

You're too late.

[John Gabris]

You're already dead. You can't shoot from the ground.

[Adam Pally]

Wait, we'd kill each other with this.

[John Gabris]

That's a duel.

[Adam Pally]

You have been listening to Staying Alive with John Gabris and Adam Pally. A Smartless media production in association with Sirius xm.

[John Gabris]

Produced by Devin Tory Bryant and Anne Harris. Engineered and edited by Devin Tory Bryant, who also wrote the music.

[Adam Pally]

Associate producer and video producer is Maddie McCann. Social media producer Tommy G. Galgano.

[John Gabris]

Assistant engineer Kyle McGraw. Special thanks to Jared O' Connell at Sirius XM.

[Adam Pally]

Executive producers are John Gabris. Ooh, me, Adam Pally. Ooh, you. Will Arnett, Jason Bateman, Sean Hayes, Richard Corson and Bernie Kaminsky. Do us a favor. Just rate and review the podcast, it actually helps.

[John Gabris]

Just so everyone knows, we do not have a discord.

[Adam Pally]

Don't reach out to us.

[John Gabris]

See us on the street. Walk the other way or you'll catch hands.

[Rod Rogers]

Oh, I didn't realize how collaborative now. Now we're just turning into like the Action Boys podcast.

[John Gabris]

But that's okay.

[Rod Rogers]

The upgrade.

[John Gabris]

I just signed a contract that if Stinger self goes into the toilet, I'm next up.

[Adam Pally]

Oh, you're in.

[John Gabris]

I know.

[Rod Rogers]

Every day that becomes more of a reality.

[John Gabris]

My management was like, this could happen soon.

[Rod Rogers]

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