Hypnosis & Weight Loss (w/ Jerry O’Connell)

Summary

Podcast Summary: Staying Alive with Jon Gabrus & Adam Pally
Episode: Hypnosis & Weight Loss (w/ Jerry O’Connell)
Release Date: May 8, 2025

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Introduction

In the episode titled "Hypnosis & Weight Loss," hosts Jon Gabrus and Adam Pally dive deep into the realms of health and wellness with special guest Jerry O’Connell. The conversation navigates through personal health journeys, the efficacy of hypnosis in weight management, and broader discussions on diet, exercise, and mental health—all delivered with the hosts' characteristic humor and candidness.

Guest Introduction

Jon and Adam introduce their guest, Jerry O’Connell, highlighting his transformation from a "fat kid" in the iconic movie Stand By Me to a fit and healthy individual. They express admiration for his dedication to health, setting the stage for an insightful discussion on maintaining wellness.

Notable Quote:
"I always say that our guest today, Mr. Jerry O'Connell, is my most handsome friend." – Jon Gabrus [03:25]

Personal Health Journeys

Jerry shares his personal journey of overcoming unhealthy habits. He recounts his early years marked by poor health and how a significant shift occurred when he decided to document everything he ate for a week. This introspective approach led to lasting changes in his lifestyle.

Notable Quote:
"After writing in that book, you see...That's when I stopped being the fat kid from Standby." – Jerry O’Connell [22:07]

Hypnosis and Weight Loss

A substantial portion of the conversation centers on hypnosis as a tool for weight loss and habit cessation. Jerry describes his attempts to quit smoking through hypnosis, detailing the challenges and mixed results he encountered. His story underscores the complexities of addiction and the psychological barriers to changing long-standing habits.

Notable Quote:
"The cravings for nicotine have never gone away. I want it all the time. I just can't." – Jerry O’Connell [54:50]

Diet and Exercise Strategies

The discussion transitions to effective dieting and exercise habits that Jerry employs to stay fit. He emphasizes the importance of incorporating salads into every meal, inspired by advice from friends and personal experiences. Additionally, Jerry highlights his workout regimen, focusing on full-body exercises without relying on heavy weights.

Notable Quote:
"Every meal, there's a salad with everything. It doesn't matter what he's getting...now I always order a salad with everything I eat." – Jerry O’Connell [13:15]

Mental Health and Addiction

Beyond physical health, the episode delves into mental health challenges. Jerry opens up about his struggles with addiction and the role of therapy in his life. He shares his experiences with couples therapy, emphasizing the importance of open communication and mutual support in maintaining mental well-being.

Notable Quote:
"I am part of a group that is anonymous...if you ever want to talk to me privately about it, I'll talk to anybody." – Jerry O’Connell [45:37]

Anecdotes and Humor

Throughout the episode, Jon and Adam infuse humor into their conversations, making light of serious topics without diminishing their importance. They share funny stories about workouts, diet mishaps, and their interactions with other celebrities, keeping the tone engaging and relatable.

Notable Quote:
"I was holding the cigar and then he held out a lighter and he was like, come on, let's light these up." – Jerry O’Connell [51:16]

Insights and Takeaways

The episode offers several key insights into maintaining a healthy lifestyle:

1. Accountability: Documenting dietary intake can heighten awareness and promote healthier eating habits.
2. Balanced Approach: Incorporating regular exercise and balanced meals, such as adding salads, contributes significantly to overall health.
3. Mental Health Integration: Addressing mental health issues, including addiction and stress, is crucial for sustained well-being.
4. Persistency in Habit Change: Overcoming unhealthy habits often requires multiple attempts and a combination of strategies.

Final Takeaway Quote:
"If you want to stay alive, you got to do it when no one else is looking. It's just for you." – Jerry O’Connell [59:23]

Conclusion

In this candid and humorous episode, Jon Gabrus and Adam Pally, alongside Jerry O’Connell, explore the multifaceted aspects of health and wellness. The conversation underscores the importance of self-awareness, balanced lifestyles, and the continuous effort required to maintain physical and mental health. Listeners are left with practical advice and relatable stories that reinforce the message: staying alive is a personal journey that thrives on honesty, accountability, and a touch of humor.

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Note: This summary excludes non-content segments such as advertisements, intros, and outros to focus solely on the substantive discussions related to hypnosis and weight loss.

Transcript

[John Gabrus]

Smart.

[Adam Pally]

Bless me.

[Sean Hayes]

Hey, everybody, Sean Hayes here. Listen, this podcast is not intended as a substitute for a physician's medical advice. My pod sons, John and Adam, are not doctors, to say the least. Listen for entertainment, not advice. Good. Okay, Good. Enjoy the show, everybody.

[John Gabrus]

I flew in. I was do. I was doing a shoot.

[Sean Hayes]

All right. Again, you don't have to show off, man. Jesus.

[John Gabrus]

It's no big deal. Jimmy John sandwiches.

[Adam Pally]

Okay, now you're really showing.

[Sean Hayes]

Super bowl commercial like, wow. Okay.

[John Gabrus]

NCAA tournament. But.

[Adam Pally]

Hey, I notice you're still alive.

[John Gabrus]

I barely. I'm still.

[Adam Pally]

Actually, yeah. That is maybe hyperbole calling you alive.

[John Gabrus]

I am barely alive right now. I mean, last night we were going to do a check in this morning to see how I'm doing, and I'm not doing well. I'm not doing well.

[Adam Pally]

I did text you you alive? This morning and you said, alive. Be there in 10. And it was.

[John Gabrus]

And I was. And I hear nine. Yeah. No, can I. That message woke me up.

[Adam Pally]

I figured because the one before it did it.

[John Gabrus]

No, no.

[Adam Pally]

So I thought I send another casual one.

[John Gabrus]

I woke up on the bathroom floor, so.

[Adam Pally]

The phone tiles are so cold. It feels so good.

[John Gabrus]

Phone was in by the bed, so I wasn't exactly hearing it.

[Adam Pally]

But that's not. Well, all that matters is that you stayed alive.

[John Gabrus]

I did it.

[Adam Pally]

Big celebrity. A 50 year old absolute stud is coming up.

[John Gabrus]

Yeah. Yeah. I always say that our guest today, Mr. Jerry O' Connell. And is my most handsome friend.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. And that always hurts because you always tell me that.

[John Gabrus]

Dig it right through. I always say it right in front of you.

[Adam Pally]

Lock eyes with me and tell me that.

[John Gabrus]

You know, I have a friend handsomer than you.

[Sean Hayes]

No way. In Hollywood.

[John Gabrus]

Yeah. He's 50.

[Adam Pally]

Oh, God, he is a very hand. And to make him even more relatable, he was almost, arguably famously a fat kid.

[John Gabrus]

Yeah. Which. Which. Which is. It's wild to think of that because, like, the Jerry o' Connell that I met was yoked.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. Shredded. Married to a super.

[John Gabrus]

Supermodel. Yeah. It's like you think of him as this, like, you know, picture of kind of like, you know, male virility.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[John Gabrus]

You know, and. And then. And that was not how he started.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

And that. And that's, I don't know, inspiring.

[John Gabrus]

Yeah. Yeah. It's great. I think you're going to love this conversation. He.

[Adam Pally]

Wait, are we pretending like it didn't already happen? Jericho Connelly.

[John Gabrus]

Jarrett. It's so nice to see you. I feel like I haven't seen you since like January since the fantastic January 6th.

[Sean Hayes]

Capital.

[John Gabrus]

Since January 6th. I feel like I haven't seen you since. Since we took those shits in Pelosi's desk.

[Sean Hayes]

Since the Bob's Murder show. Jerry recording.

[Adam Pally]

Jimmy Pe.

[John Gabrus]

Since the Mr. Show reunion.

[Sean Hayes]

The Sarah Silverman taping.

[John Gabrus]

No. You are so inside, everybody.

[Sean Hayes]

Just so you know, the actor that we're talking about was a J6ER.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

Everyone. Everyone who is in comedy or comedy adjacent for the last 30 years was really paying attention once his, once his image came up.

[Adam Pally]

Someone's like, is that J. Johnstone?

[John Gabrus]

Everyone's like, people picked him out of January 6th, like of that crowd so quickly, like, that's the dude for Mr.

[Sean Hayes]

Shell.

[Adam Pally]

It doesn't help that he's like 6 5.

[Sean Hayes]

Well, it was so crazy too because the first time the photos went around it was like, haha, that looks like our guy. Lol. Can you leave it? Oh, look who was there. Lol.

[John Gabrus]

Wait a minute.

[Sean Hayes]

Passed away. But yeah, but I was say, this is. I think it was Jerry Meer who wrote that's him dude. And I went, ha. Lol. And he.

[Adam Pally]

No lol.

[Sean Hayes]

That's him. No joke.

[Adam Pally]

No changed. Yeah, the pandemic was hard on all of us.

[John Gabrus]

Well, the dude with the bear, by.

[Sean Hayes]

The way, that's how I stay alive. I stay away from riots.

[John Gabrus]

Yeah, that's a smart way.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah.

[John Gabrus]

The bear hat is my cousin. So Passover is super weird when he wears that at the Seder.

[Adam Pally]

The Q Anon Shalom. The Shalom shaman.

[John Gabrus]

The Shalom shaman. So Jer, we start everything by just asking Bass, Bass, like, what are you doing to stay alive? Like, what's your. What, what's your regimen? Because you are, I always say, you're my handsomest friend. And you are, you are so fit. What's your, like, day to day, you know, we don't need like secrets or anything, but like, what are you doing? What are you doing?

[Sean Hayes]

No, I'm gonna tell you everything. Oh, great. It's a great question. It's. It's a big part of my life.

[John Gabrus]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

And it's really funny. It wasn't always, but it should because I'm. I. I'm an interesting person to ask that question because for the first 13 years of my life, I was extremely unhealthy.

[Adam Pally]

And, and it's been recorded.

[John Gabrus]

Documented.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[John Gabrus]

That's the difference.

[Adam Pally]

I know you as a. You were a fat kid. As a fat kid myself, a fat adult.

[John Gabrus]

You're talking to two fat kids.

[Sean Hayes]

I love how you guys pause a little bit before you drop an F bomb.

[John Gabrus]

Oh, yeah. No, we shouldn't even be saying that word.

[Adam Pally]

But you are a chunky little monkey, weren't you?

[John Gabrus]

But it's. But it's. But that. But you. But St. Meow. This is one. One of our generation's biggest movies like that. We all grew up on that movie, and we know you as that kid, you know, so there is, I think, outside pressure that. We've never talked to someone who has the outside pressure of, like, people knowing you as a child.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

You know, you got yoked for my secret identity.

[Sean Hayes]

That's even deeper cut than the Bob's Burgers cut.

[John Gabrus]

Yeah. What was the workout regimen on Kangaroo Jack?

[Sean Hayes]

Actually, funnily enough, um, Kangaroo Jack was produced by Jerry Bruckheimer.

[John Gabrus]

I think I knew that.

[Sean Hayes]

And you immediately. The second I was cast in it, you immediately go work out with his trainer every day for months before shooting starts.

[John Gabrus]

That's real.

[Sean Hayes]

It was the most ripped I ever got.

[John Gabrus]

Wow.

[Sean Hayes]

And you have to go. And by the way, if you miss, like, two or three days, you know, you. You get a trainer and you text.

[John Gabrus]

Hey, man, sorry, life is going by.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, yeah, can't make it today. I was in my 20s, so typically it was like, hungover or something like that. And if you missed two days in a row, Mr. Bruckheimer would call or text you and say, hey, man, you missed two in a row. And he wanted his boys ripped. And there was always. Because he was about to produce Black Hawk down right after Kangaroo Jack. So they were all coming in, like, Tom Sizemore was coming in.

[Adam Pally]

That's a cast of a lot of young boys.

[Sean Hayes]

Tom Sizemore was coming in and forgetting the names of some of the actors. But, yeah, and we were going out, and it was. It was interesting. It was my first time jumping into the Hollywood machine of training and, like, of these guys who train specifically for a start date on a movie.

[John Gabrus]

Wow.

[Sean Hayes]

And all you care about is the two or three months that you're shooting and you can do it. It's almost like being a. A professional athlete. You can do whatever you want.

[John Gabrus]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

But for these three months, you need to be in shape. And. And for me, then really, it was mostly alcohol. Like, alcohol. I don't really drink as much as I used to.

[John Gabrus]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

And I gotta tell you right now, because this is a podcast called Staying Alive for me, not drinking alcohol immediately. You drop like, 20, fellas. You drop like, 20, and you're not even doing anything.

[John Gabrus]

I know.

[Sean Hayes]

And by the way, I don't think.

[Adam Pally]

You'Re alone as a 40 something, 50 something in LA who's like, Guys, I started drinking less and I'm sleeping better and I'm shitting only once in the morning.

[Sean Hayes]

You know, it really is like, it's, it's like obviously I, I work out, I work out regularly. I, you know, I, I'm not one of these guys. I can't wake up in the morning, I try so hard. It's just, I'm not, I really do. I'm actually, it's actually an argument with my wife and I because I set alarms to go, I'm gonna lift. I love to lift. I love to get that pop, you know And I'm sorry to be so shallow, but this is the podcast to do.

[Adam Pally]

No, no.

[Sean Hayes]

This is, you know as guy lifting is such a good pop. If you do arms, you look better. You know what? I'm going to take my shirt off.

[John Gabrus]

Let's do it. You know what? We were trying to get a guest to take their shirt off the whole time and no one, no one.

[Sean Hayes]

I wasn't going to take it all off.

[John Gabrus]

I was just going to take those arms are jacked.

[Adam Pally]

We got some vascularity. We got some bicep and tricep.

[John Gabrus]

Your shoulders look good. You've been doing like.

[Sean Hayes]

I'm a 50 year old man.

[John Gabrus]

You look amazing.

[Sean Hayes]

I try and do. I have a joke when I walk into the gym. Chest and buys chest and B, that's my like Hollywood joke. But you know, also I am an actor who luckily happens to still be working in this business which is like amazing.

[John Gabrus]

You know. Also what's your longevity now? What do you. What, what?

[Sean Hayes]

Stand By Me was made in 1985 and it is now 2025 now mind you, I went to high school. In college I was took off about eight years.

[Adam Pally]

Well, I think that is probably the thing that makes you still alive and normal now is having to take, take a break and live a normal life for a little bit.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, I have a wife and you know, it's, it's funny getting into the gym when you have like responsibilities. What I do is I belong to a couple of less expensive gyms all around the city. A couple of less expensive matter what? So no matter where I'm driving smart today I went to a less. They should be your sponsor. A less expensive gym down the block.

[John Gabrus]

Which one?

[Sean Hayes]

That's right here.

[John Gabrus]

Which one?

[Sean Hayes]

Because it rhymes with Munch.

[John Gabrus]

Equinox.

[Adam Pally]

Munch Fitness is kind of my style of health.

[John Gabrus]

I'm gonna take my shirt off.

[Sean Hayes]

Oh, here we Go. Oh. Drumroll. Yeah. Yummy.

[Adam Pally]

Looking good. Looking good.

[Sean Hayes]

You are looking good.

[John Gabrus]

Thank you. I'm.

[Sean Hayes]

I've seen you. I've.

[John Gabrus]

I'm put in the effort.

[Sean Hayes]

I've seen you not looking good and you're looking good.

[John Gabrus]

Thank you.

[Adam Pally]

Jay, you're not the first guest to say I've seen you look worse.

[Sean Hayes]

Listen, if this is a podcast called Staying Alive, everyone should know there are gonna be ups and downs.

[John Gabrus]

Oh, and I'm it. Truly. I.

[Adam Pally]

So I know what the am I doing with a sweatshirt on.

[John Gabrus]

Yeah, take your shirt off.

[Sean Hayes]

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[Adam Pally]

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[John Gabrus]

So you, you do these, you hit these gyms all over and I hit.

[Sean Hayes]

Them for like I go in for half hour, 40 minutes.

[John Gabrus]

That's what I was gonna say. Like, what do you. What's your, what's your pump like? Are you. You're going in for a doing like chest and buys or exclusively a little bit of push ups?

[Sean Hayes]

No, always legs, always chest, little bit of shoulder.

[Adam Pally]

Just the stuff like a full body every time.

[John Gabrus]

Right.

[Sean Hayes]

Not heavy weights.

[John Gabrus]

And let me ask you about diet.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah.

[John Gabrus]

Because I feel like that's something that everyone is always. Because I work out so much and so hard to look. And it's because of my diet, because I like, I'm like just getting by. I'm on the road. I'm eating whatever.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah.

[John Gabrus]

What are you. What are you doing to like, keep it?

[Sean Hayes]

This is what I'm gonna sound like old rfk. I tried to.

[Adam Pally]

I tried to.

[John Gabrus]

That might sound like rfk. While I explained.

[Adam Pally]

Drink aquarium cleaner.

[John Gabrus]

Bear meat.

[Sean Hayes]

If you're.

[John Gabrus]

If you eat it by the hand of bear meat.

[Sean Hayes]

It's Patrick Mahomes, bro.

[John Gabrus]

No, Patrick Mahomes sounds like Selena Gomez.

[Adam Pally]

No, he sounds exactly like Kenny Powers.

[John Gabrus]

He does sound like Kenny Powers. Oh.

[Sean Hayes]

I actually learned this from also going to be an upcoming guest of Staying Alive, Paul Scheer.

[John Gabrus]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

I'm not kidding. I learned this from him. Every meal, Paul Scheer eats a salad.

[John Gabrus]

Really?

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah. Every meal, there's a salad with everything. It doesn't matter what he's getting. If you're at a Denny's getting eggs, he always orders a salad. And when I was with him for an extended period of time, I saw him always order a salad, and he went, yeah, it's just something I do. So now I always order a salad with, with everything I eat.

[John Gabrus]

And talk about a guy who's lost some weight. Paul, Paul is, is, is extremely fit right now. So wait, just, just to jump back.

[Adam Pally]

To some stuff Jerry said real quick.

[John Gabrus]

Yeah, go for it.

[Adam Pally]

That salad thing is, is a really spot on and smart. I have a, an old trainer who's now like a more of a nutritionist guy who's like, even if you don't change your diet at all, but just add more vegetables, it will improve so much. Because if you eat your vegetables, you're less likely you're gonna get full of good stuff.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah. So I'm really someone who doesn't do anything drastically or intensely. I just sort of do like, little things. Like, okay, going for a half hour lift. Okay, order a salad. You know, maybe I don't even eat the salad. It's just there and I look at it.

[John Gabrus]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

Let me just get back to Stand By Me or for one second, please. I, I, I was a hefty kid. I was a husky kid.

[John Gabrus]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

And Stand By Me came out, and a lot of people were, people I didn't know were calling me fat kid from Stand By Me.

[Adam Pally]

Brutal.

[Sean Hayes]

And typically, it was like, typically when it would be the most annoying would be older kids who you couldn't fight. You know, they were bigger than you.

[John Gabrus]

Oh, my God.

[Sean Hayes]

Or you couldn't say, like, off, pal. Yeah, fuck off, man. Like, I'm rich. You want to go?

[John Gabrus]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

I wasn't rich, but, like, look at my mom's account. It was typically kids in high school going, oh, you're the fat kid from Stand By Me. Right? And you just take it, you know? And it was so funny. At around 14, my, I grew up in New York City, so I didn't really have, like, athletics. I didn't have a football program. I didn't have a basketball team. I didn't grow up typically. As I raised children in the suburbs. It's so funny how much they all play soccer.

[John Gabrus]

Are they all.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, my daughters are. Both play volleyball and it's.

[John Gabrus]

You're on the suburbs every day?

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, three hours a day. My daughters Are playing volleyball.

[John Gabrus]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

And I have a daughter who does.

[John Gabrus]

That's not suburban. That's because I live in New York City. I'm still living in New York City and raising my kids there. My daughter plays volleyball three hours. I think volleyball. I think girls our daughter's age.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah.

[John Gabrus]

Which is. My daughter's, like, 13. It has swept the nation.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah.

[John Gabrus]

Like, girls are playing volleyball every day. And it's. It's. It's almost like the way that when, like, boys bath when I was a kid, and they would just, like, throw you in the gym and make you play basketball.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah.

[John Gabrus]

That's what it's like in every New York school. I think it's because it's like, inside on Long Island.

[Adam Pally]

On Long island, where I grew up, it was soccer in lacrosse until you got old enough and was like, I should. I'm. I'm. I'm fat and I'm playing the goalie. Maybe I should play football.

[Sean Hayes]

I have a lot of friends who went to post.

[John Gabrus]

Yeah. But there's a football team. You get that there.

[Sean Hayes]

And if you're a J6 or. You got our post baby.

[John Gabrus]

There's a. There's a football team. A youth football team in New York now that my son plays on.

[Sean Hayes]

Oh, really?

[John Gabrus]

And it's an amalgamation of all the schools.

[Sean Hayes]

Wow.

[John Gabrus]

So. All right, so it's improved.

[Sean Hayes]

So. So I grew up in the 70s and 80s. These things weren't there, but I was at around 14. My mother went to a gym around the corner from our house.

[John Gabrus]

And where in New York City were you?

[Sean Hayes]

This is on 17th street and 6th Avenue.

[John Gabrus]

In the heart.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah.

[John Gabrus]

You grew up in Madison Square Park.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah. So my mother worked out at a gym called. Well, we're dropping the names of gyms here. You got to get a sponsor eventually.

[John Gabrus]

We will.

[Sean Hayes]

David Barton, Jim. Which was very cool. You know, it was a.

[Adam Pally]

Actually became, like, the gayest place.

[Sean Hayes]

It was. It was because I grew up in the West Village in sort of Chelsea. It was a. I don't mean to generalize and stereotype, but it was a predominantly gay gym. It was. Sorry if I'm offending anyone.

[Adam Pally]

I don't think that's offensive. I train in WeHo and we have, like, rainbows everywhere.

[Sean Hayes]

My. My mother had a trainer there. This is in the 80s. And she said, listen, I got a kid who needs help. And I went in and saw him, and his name was Charles Brown, and he was very Charlie Brown. Yeah. But he taught, like, he was a dancer, and he taught aerobics, and he was like, he always has this dog with him.

[Adam Pally]

He hurt himself missing a field goal.

[Sean Hayes]

He was, he was a really handsome guy and just like a dance, like a 80s aerobics instructor, dancer, everything. And this is crazy at 14. And this is really how I. It really helped shape me. It's a secret that he taught me. So at the age of 14, he gave me a little book. It was like, I remember it was a mini composition book. Okay, like you remember the composition books with like the, the marble covers. Yeah, the marble covers. It was a mini one. And he went.

[John Gabrus]

And it was handwritten Dianetics.

[Sean Hayes]

And he said, hey, take this book. And I went, hi, it's nice to meet you. You know where we're gonna lift? And he went, we're not gonna lift today. You're gonna take this book and everything that goes in your mouth. Everything. I don't care if it's a stick of gum, I don't care if it's a glass of water. I don't care if it's a sip of water, fountain, I don't care if it's a soda. You're gonna write it down in this book and that's what you're gonna do.

[John Gabrus]

That's intense for a 14 year old for a week.

[Sean Hayes]

Everything that goes in your mouth. Everything that goes in your mouth.

[John Gabrus]

I mean, that must have been intense for a 14 year old.

[Sean Hayes]

So I took it and I wrote down everything. I carried it with me for a week. And then a week, a week later, I saw him. Looking back, my mom must have paid for privates from a private trainer, you know? And he was like, okay, let's start. And I gotta tell you, as of when you're reading, like, like 2 liter bottle of soda, right? Box of entamins, you know, fruit punch, like you read it. Twix bar. Twix bar. It's like two Twix bars.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, it's like, it's making you more present and conscious and accountable for what you're doing. And you're like, it's crazy. It's easy to just put that in and move on with your life, but if you happen to have a tally of it, it starts to get to you.

[Sean Hayes]

So now I'm not the best eater. I'm. I'm not. Listen, I went to go see the. Oh, man, I saw Led Zeppelin and IMAX last night.

[John Gabrus]

Oh, how was it? Is it really fun?

[Sean Hayes]

You gotta go see it. I'm a huge fan.

[John Gabrus]

Yeah, it's really fun.

[Sean Hayes]

I really liked it.

[John Gabrus]

Yeah, I really liked it.

[Sean Hayes]

All right. And My wife is a huge Led Zeppelin fan, and I have a joke with my wife where I take her to movies. And my wife loves legal substances.

[John Gabrus]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

And I'm like, all right, honey, use a legal substance.

[John Gabrus]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

I'm gonna take you somewhere I don't want. I'm gonna take you to a movie. I don't want you to know anything. She's the biggest Led Zeppelin fan. Not up on, like, what documentaries are coming out.

[Adam Pally]

Oh, that's awesome.

[Sean Hayes]

Max went to go see it, and my wife, like, just turned to me and she was like, is this a Led Zeppelin documentary? And it's just one of those great documentaries where it's like, right, yes. So the first time we went into the studio, we didn't know what was going to happen, but, yeah, it was electric. And then it goes into, like, the first, like. Like.

[Adam Pally]

Music docs and docs about artists and docs about filmmakers and stuff are always the best because it's just chock full of clips of your favorite artists. Watching the De Palma doc, you're like, oh, look at all these clips from amazing De Palma movies.

[Sean Hayes]

Oh, I have to watch that.

[John Gabrus]

Actually, I did that with Daniela and I was like, popp edible. And then I surprised her and took her to the Brutalist. But it was only the second half, so she didn't really know what was going on.

[Sean Hayes]

It is a long movie.

[John Gabrus]

It's long.

[Sean Hayes]

There's an intermission.

[John Gabrus]

We only need to see the second.

[Sean Hayes]

Half anyway, so I wrote down everything I ate for a week. And that really, that's when I. I have to tell you, that's when I stopped being the fat kid from Standby.

[John Gabrus]

Meow.

[Sean Hayes]

Literally. After writing in that book, you see.

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[John Gabrus]

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[Sean Hayes]

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[John Gabrus]

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[John Gabrus]

You. You mentioned, like, mindless. You're talking about being held accountable for eating. And I had a doctor when I was first, like, diagnosed with learning disabilities and stuff and ADD and all that crazy shit that I have dyslexia and everything. Who said that my weight as a child was related to mindlessness, to, like, because I had all these things going on, I can't focus, and I've got, you know, a million things going on. I would just open a bag of food and start eating and, like.

[Adam Pally]

Because some people say with adhd, you chase a dopamine hit and a treat will give you that dopamine hit.

[John Gabrus]

Exactly. So, like, you're just. You're just like, oh, I need. I need something. And for me, as a child, it was, like, snacks and food and, like. So I wonder, like, as I go back in a therapy question, have you ever talked to, like, a food psychologist or someone? Because that is such a strong way to. I mean, that Charlie Brown really threw you into the fire as a young kid, you know?

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah. I'm so sorry. This is gonna make me a boring guest. But. No, I haven't. I haven't done that. Let me just say it. I do. I'm not a snacker, okay? But I am a big meal eater.

[Adam Pally]

Yes, I eat.

[Sean Hayes]

I'm a protein eater. I am not a vegan. I eat protein. I eat red meat. I eat cheese, dairy and red meat. And like Paul Sheer told me, I have a little salad. I have a salad on the side always. But I eat a big meal to the point of being stuffed, and then I do not allow myself to snack.

[John Gabrus]

Snake. Snake digestion.

[Sean Hayes]

And then I wait until another meal or I'm hungry again to.

[John Gabrus]

Are you intermittent? Are you intermittent fasting?

[Sean Hayes]

You know, I wouldn't say I'm intermittent, but I do not snack in between meals.

[John Gabrus]

Right, but you'll have breakfast in the morning.

[Sean Hayes]

I. A lot of times skip breakfast, fellow.

[John Gabrus]

So it is kind of intermittent. Yeah. Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

But, like, not on purpose, not with. Not with intentionality. It just ends up being that in.

[Sean Hayes]

Hindsight, I, I skip breakfast if. If I'm coming to do a podcast or something. I'm. I'm, I'm. I'm actually not kidding. I worry about getting lightheaded.

[John Gabrus]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

So I eat something before, but it's typically like. Like a yogurt or like something protein. I'll even. Guys, I'll. I'll even go to fast food and get something with egg in it, you know? Yeah.

[John Gabrus]

What's your, what's your treat? What's your breakfast treat? Like a, like a McMuffin.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, I will do that now. I won't do the biscuit one. I'll do the, the muffin one.

[John Gabrus]

You know, they even have one now that's, like, wrapped in an egg, so it's like.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, less.

[John Gabrus]

You're really getting no carb.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

You know, greasy handful while you drive, just holding sausage patties.

[Sean Hayes]

You know what's so funny? I worked with that director, Brad Felchick. I worked with Brad Felchick, and he's jacked. He's jacked.

[Adam Pally]

More like fell jacked.

[Sean Hayes]

He. He's jacked.

[John Gabrus]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

And I said to him, by the way, this is another tip. You see someone who's got a body that you, like, say, yeah, dude, what are you doing? Like, what do you do?

[John Gabrus]

That's why you're here.

[Adam Pally]

That's kind of the inspiration of this, you being a guest on our show.

[John Gabrus]

When we're going down. Guests. I was like, I said, jerry's the fit.

[Sean Hayes]

He's a great director. Loved working with him. And he's jacked. And I said, dude, what do you do? And he said, I eat a lot of sweet potatoes. So now sweet potatoes are in my diet. I gotta tell you, I'm not even sure what's in them. I think they're, like, not. I don't think they're carbs. I don't think they are.

[John Gabrus]

No.

[Adam Pally]

They don't hit the same way as white potatoes.

[Sean Hayes]

They don't hit the same way.

[John Gabrus]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

So since I went Brad Falchick, I, I, I eat sweet, but if I see sweet potato fries, I'm ordering them.

[John Gabrus]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

By the way, I go to a diner, I get corned beef hash and eggs. Give me the sweet potatoes fries on the side.

[John Gabrus]

Right. That's a nice tip.

[Sean Hayes]

Jerk. And so that's like, I, I, I, I wouldn't say I totally Stay away from the bad food. But I.

[John Gabrus]

Right.

[Adam Pally]

We gotta stay sane a little too.

[John Gabrus]

And we always have a balance. Like. Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

I mean, we host a trap. We hosted a travel show, and hopefully we'll maybe someday do it again about getting absolutely up and eating whatever you want.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah. I saw you guys at the vodka farm.

[John Gabrus]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

By the way, I saw you guys. I was like, oh, these guys are gonna hang glider, rock climb or something.

[John Gabrus]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

Like, nope, they're in a vodka.

[John Gabrus]

We didn't pass the weight limit on the hang gliding, so they put us back in the farm.

[Adam Pally]

Thanks for saying we.

[John Gabrus]

Well, we were strapped together.

[Adam Pally]

No one told us to do that.

[John Gabrus]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

It's just an easier way for us.

[Sean Hayes]

Let me get else. Let me get to something else here that I like, kind of think about also. I am 50 now, and that's a number. And I go to the doctor now, you know, you do. I go. I get my butt checked. I get my heart checked. I. I had that one, you know.

[John Gabrus]

Are you concierge? Like, do you have a doctor that you.

[Sean Hayes]

No, I have insurance. Yeah. I have SAG insurance.

[John Gabrus]

And I go.

[Sean Hayes]

And I've said, I have a gp and I go see them.

[John Gabrus]

And Hollywood is full of people like, you know, someone will tell you, oh, you gotta go see my doctor.

[Sean Hayes]

You know, I'm only mentioning this on because it's staying alive. A lot of my friends, and they're. Well to do.

[John Gabrus]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

Do the full body scan.

[John Gabrus]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

And they're like, you got to do it. You got to do it. And for those who don't know, you go inside of a. One of those, like, tick, tick, tick, tick things, and they. And they check you all out. And every time I've heard. I. I don't want to say anything bad about it, but every time I've heard that story, they're like, oh, I. There might be something. And it turns out it's like scar tissue. Those are the two stories that I heard, so I shouldn't say that.

[John Gabrus]

No, no, it's a good point.

[Sean Hayes]

Some people.

[John Gabrus]

It's a good point, though, because, I mean, so much of what we. The people we talk to, when we talk to experts, it's like, there is no expert in this field. For real. There's doctors and scientists who have data and will tell you, like, do this. It will help you do this, and it will help you. But everybody else on the fringes is giving opinion, you know, and so, like, yeah, a scan. It's like people who are like, you have to do this scan.

[Adam Pally]

I did the calcium CAT scan.

[John Gabrus]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

And to determine cause I have high blood pressure. They did want to determine if I had any plaque issues. And I do have, according to this light, plaque issues, not danger. But, like, this is the statin conversation previously we've had. So I. Like you're saying it. If you. If it makes you feel better, go for it.

[John Gabrus]

Right.

[Adam Pally]

You know what I mean? If it's going to give you a clear head, go for it. Not everything is the right answer or the wrong answer.

[John Gabrus]

And that's from diets to. To.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. Supplements to wear barefoot shoes versus whatever. Like, whatever.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah.

[John Gabrus]

There's so much of this, of this corner of. Of the world, this wellness corner that is baseless. And it's just like, you know, what worked for me and then that someone writes a book about it.

[Adam Pally]

But like Jerry said, he sees a guy who's yoked and is like, hey. And the guy's like, sweet potatoes. You're like, oh, let me see if that's pretty much the premise of our show. It's like, oh, we're gonna roll in all this advice from different people and take what works for us and leave what doesn't.

[Sean Hayes]

By the way, it's also like a revelation, too. Like, it. Like, the first time you do it, I'm like, I can't ask this director dude. Like. But it's like, at some point. People love to share.

[Adam Pally]

Like, I was just gonna say, Jack, People love talking about how they got jacked.

[John Gabrus]

I saw Taylor Sheridan at a restaurant and I was like, how'd you do that? And he smacked me in the face.

[Sean Hayes]

I. I aware of the old soldier.

[Adam Pally]

Because he got old for a reason.

[John Gabrus]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

I.

[John Gabrus]

He hit me with a bolo tie.

[Sean Hayes]

Those sharp. They're sharp.

[John Gabrus]

Those metal ends cut my cornea.

[Sean Hayes]

Another big thing I did. I. Man, I can't believe it. I'm 50. I never had a cigarette in my 40s. I don't know how it's so funny. I was. I smoked. I quit smoking for years at a time. I would pick it back up again. That Nick was the toughest. It's so crazy, too. Look, this is staying alive. So this is the place to talk about it. I quit smoking for years. I worked on a TV show. One of the stars of the TV show was doing. I hadn't had a cigarette in two years. I had infant children at home. It was great. I was doing it. I was doing it. I was a healthy person. I had figured out how to shit without cigarettes. I figured it out.

[John Gabrus]

God bless. God bless.

[Sean Hayes]

I figured out how to take a shower.

[John Gabrus]

You could make yourself without a cigarette.

[Sean Hayes]

I couldn't make myself but like every.

[Adam Pally]

Stop myself from every day or two.

[Sean Hayes]

I'd be like, hey, I'm going to. And I haven't had a cigarette in a month. This is crazy. I figured it out. My digestive system has figured it out. Wow. I'm going to be able to endure this drive, half hour drive without having a cigarette. How do I do that? That's a miracle. I'm doing a TV show. One of the stars of it was doing a photo shoot, a cover shoot for Cigar Aficionado. And this star said to me, hey, come in this photo with me. You know, we're, we're both in this photo. And I said, oh yeah. And he said, here, here, here, here's a cigar. And so I was like, oh, no, no, no, not the, no. And he was like, come on, it's their cigar Aficionado. And I. So I was holding the cigar and then he held out a lighter and he was like, come on, let's light these uppies. And I went, oh God, I don't smoke. And he was like, it's a cigar, it's for the shoot, just do it. And I took a couple tokes of that cigar and I finished the cigar.

[John Gabrus]

Oh my God.

[Sean Hayes]

Okay.

[Adam Pally]

Oh, that made me nuts.

[Sean Hayes]

I got in the car. I hadn't had a cigarette in two years. Got in my car, stopped at the a.m. p.m. And bought a pack of Marlboro mediums and smoked for the next four years.

[John Gabrus]

Whoa.

[Sean Hayes]

And that was it. Like I was.

[Adam Pally]

I hope you're happy, Gary Sinise.

[Sean Hayes]

It was not. It was not. We're doing this Cigar Aficionado for the troops. I can't smoke too much.

[Adam Pally]

Too much weed in my life has made me unable to not inhale that. Cigars are so dangerous for me because I do not know how to puff them normally. I'm like, you know what, I'm just gonna smoke a bl. I have sober friends that like cigars are there one. And I go over to their house and I'm just like, I'm going to smoke a blunt because I can't.

[John Gabrus]

I have such PTSD from cigars because my high school basketball coach used to smoke cigars and the smell of like hazelnut coffee and cigars.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah.

[John Gabrus]

Is so like arousing.

[Adam Pally]

Makes me so hard that I molested by this.

[John Gabrus]

Well, yeah, actually I molested him, which is odd for a 13 year old. It's.

[Adam Pally]

He's still in therapy.

[Sean Hayes]

It's so funny. Listen, Nick really works for some people. I know Zins are really popular.

[John Gabrus]

I don't know what a Zinn is.

[Adam Pally]

It's a. Like a mouth, a nicotine pouch that you can.

[John Gabrus]

It tastes like nicotine.

[Sean Hayes]

It's tobacco. I've never put one in my mouth. Thank goodness. I was off Nick.

[Adam Pally]

All of my friends came out.

[John Gabrus]

Kennedy did it in the Senate hearing the other day. The craziest people, by the way.

[Sean Hayes]

We live in a day and age where AI is happening all the time. So I watch things like. Like, I. I don't know. I. I watched something happen. Yeah.

[John Gabrus]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

Specifically in the sports world. Someone says something, and I'm like, that's AI. That's AI.

[John Gabrus]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

Because they have those really funny press conferences where, like, players, like, after, say, like, really offensive things. At first I'm like, oh, my gosh, I can't believe Steph Curry said that. And then. But then I'm like, oh, gosh, it's. It's AI. When I saw Robert Kennedy doing that at his hearing. And for those who don't know, he's putting a Zinn or tobacco patch in his mouth during his hearing to become head of the Health and Human Services, taking over for Fauci, putting a Shooting a Zin in when literally every camera in the world is trained on him.

[Adam Pally]

And he's doing it like a kid in school.

[John Gabrus]

Like the way I. I vape on an airplane.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

At least you go to the bathroom. At least.

[John Gabrus]

Not anymore. I do it right in my seat.

[Adam Pally]

The way I eat a weed gummy in front of my mom at dinner. Because I'm like, oh, I'm gonna die if I keep talking to her. So I just watch this jam, this 20 mils in my mouth.

[Sean Hayes]

But, I mean, look, this is all on point because this is staying alive. It's crazy. So listen, Nick does work for people. And listen, nicotine is a narcotic. It works, man. I. If you need to concentrate on something. If I had to memorize lines and I blasted through a half a pack of Siggies, you really.

[John Gabrus]

You found yourself focusing more.

[Sean Hayes]

Oh, my God. It's a focus drug, Adam.

[John Gabrus]

It's in. In all of my cocaine and Adderall use. I never liked cigarettes. Like, I just. There's something. You know what it is? It's like that moment, that moment of a cigarette that you take it in and is different than weed. It's different than anything because it really is sharp, and it, like your mind shut. Like, it. It almost like it's Death for a moment. It's like a mini version of DMT or something.

[Sean Hayes]

You still vape?

[John Gabrus]

I still vape weed, yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

Do you vape, Nick?

[John Gabrus]

No, I've never vaped, Nick. I was never vaped anything but the. The strongest live resin you have.

[Adam Pally]

I was born in 1982, and so my trajectory was the exact. Like, smoke. Like smoking and drinking and driving were two things that I literally never did out of pure fear. And then I turned the corner. I mean, I've since had to a couple of times. Not smoke, but dui. Yeah, but I never like a cigarette was just so outlandish to me. Like, the idea of smoking one, even though both of my parents, my mom smoked through pregnancy, God knows if that really shrunk me in any way. That stunt you would have been huge. I would have CTE from being a D tackle for five years or whatever. I would have been a fucking like 5th rounder for the Falcons or some shit. But I like cigarettes just never landed on me. And now and then when I got to be the like 20 something years old and living in New York City and a lot of people are smoking cigarettes, I've already built like a. I'll never do that. And one time someone rolled me a spliff with tobacco and weed in it, and we were playing bocce at the beach and I took like three rips. And it was the highest I've ever felt in my life. Cause it was the first time I ingested tobacco. I was like my vis. I was like. It's like I was on whippets. My brain could not. Did not know what to do.

[John Gabrus]

I think it's. Cause it takes that oxygen away from your lungs for like a split second in a way that goes to your mind.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[John Gabrus]

You know what I mean?

[Sean Hayes]

You know, I equate it with caffeine. It's just. It's a wonder drug.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. There's a reason, like coffee and cigarettes, like, you know, if. If you've ever gone to a. A meeting or something like that, or hung out with sober people, they're fucking blasting darts and chugging coffee.

[Sean Hayes]

There's like no doubts that nicotine and caffeine make you sharper and more awake and more alert and happier. I'm sorry, guys. You know, I'm. And by the way, now I'm sounding like rfk coming up with these like. But that was. Listen, for me, that's what it was for me. Now I. I couldn't. I couldn't quit. My wife said I'm not because now we had, like, kids. Beyond infant kids. They were like children, you know. Yeah.

[John Gabrus]

Playing volleyball.

[Sean Hayes]

And I was going outside and ripping two darts and coming back inside, and my wife. Ten minutes, and my wife, no, I could do it in three.

[John Gabrus]

You chugging.

[Sean Hayes]

I'm not joking. And my wife said, I'm not touching you anymore. Like, I can't touch you if you.

[John Gabrus]

Like, stink like that. You.

[Sean Hayes]

You smell when you come to bed. Everyone can smell it. I was like, well, the kids don't know what it is. And they were like, but they're gonna. They're gonna know what that smell is. I'm not touching you. So my wife didn't touch me for three months.

[Adam Pally]

3.

[John Gabrus]

You let it go that long.

[Adam Pally]

That's the power of nicotine.

[John Gabrus]

And I was like, your wife is a supermodel.

[Sean Hayes]

So there was no touching.

[John Gabrus]

That's how powerful cigarettes are. You couldn't quit for Rebecca.

[Sean Hayes]

Psoriatic arthritis symptoms can be unpredictable.

[Adam Pally]

I had joint pain and I couldn't.

[John Gabrus]

Move like I used to. I needed relief.

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[John Gabrus]

It helped me move better.

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[Sean Hayes]

Ask your dermatologist about centics. Hey, Kristen.

[John Gabrus]

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[Sean Hayes]

Oh, it's tracking, in fact.

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[Sean Hayes]

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[Sean Hayes]

Just as predicted. So we gonna.

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[Sean Hayes]

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[Sean Hayes]

I could not quit. Every day I would say, today's the day and it would not be the day. And I would not smoke all day. And then I'd wait till my family went to sleep and then I'd. I'd smoke a pack of cigarettes.

[John Gabrus]

Jesus.

[Sean Hayes]

It was ins. It was insane.

[John Gabrus]

It was like compulsion, too.

[Sean Hayes]

It's compulsion. It's addiction. It's obsession with something.

[Adam Pally]

You think about it all day.

[John Gabrus]

Yeah, because, like, that is a lot of men with families or women with families too. I shouldn't gender specific, but like, the obsessive nature of something that's your own. You know what I mean? Is very. It's my time. It's like the. And the secret. Keeping it a secret is also your time.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah.

[John Gabrus]

So there's a certain, like, you know, some. Some dudes do it with video games.

[Adam Pally]

My brother does it with the gym. And I'm. He's got two kids and I'm so jealous that his, like, solo habit is exercise. It's like, wow, you've really cheat coded yourself.

[John Gabrus]

And you're like, he's minus slot machines under the gwb.

[Adam Pally]

He has two kids and he goes to the. He goes to the gym before kids wake up. Oh, do you know how hard that is to do? I mean, he works in a school, so he has early morning times. But I'm so. I. I want to jump to something Jerry said earlier about how you feel when you get a little pump, when you get that little pop. And I think as we get older, there's this mental health element to getting your exercise in. Because I feel better about myself post workout, even if I don't see any definition or any new. Just the feel of having, like, pushed yourself a little bit and a light soreness and a little sweat. I'll leave going like, I did something good for myself. And then, because you know, you hear those people are like, if I don't run, I. I get sad. And you're like, what the fuck are you talking about? And then you go like six days without exercise, and you're like, should I kill myself? And someone's like, no, I think you need to get outdoors and go hiking or go for. Get your steps in. And then you do it and you're like, fuck. Everyone is right. This is like a mental. And as you get old, when you're younger, you're like, I just want. I want to get Buff. I want big biceps, I want big traps. Then when you get older, you're like, I got to exercise so I don't fucking grind my teeth to a core at night. You know, like, and I feel like that's something that not a lot of people understand as you get older of like that exercise can do way more than just, you know, get you leaner. Yeah. Yeah.

[John Gabrus]

What's your, what's your therapy reg?

[Adam Pally]

Or even what do you do for your own mental health? Like what do you do that makes you feel better and stuff?

[Sean Hayes]

I am, I'm part of a, a group.

[John Gabrus]

A group? Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

That is anonymous. And I don't, I don't really talk about it publicly but I do want to say if you ever want to talk to me privately about it, I'll talk to anybody.

[John Gabrus]

That sounds great. I've been to, to meetings with that group. They're great. You know, like I have nothing bad to say about that group and I.

[Sean Hayes]

I, I, I find that to be, I find that to be enough. Again, I'm sorry, I don't mean to be shady. I just don't talk about your business. But I do want to say not only to you guys, but to anyone listening, anyone wants to talk to me privately about it in person like I did with Brad Folchuk. Dude, how are you so hot.

[John Gabrus]

Goop.

[Adam Pally]

Meet you at Sweet Potatoes and honest.

[Sean Hayes]

Come and talk to me about it. And listen, this is a little unpopular what I do, but though I, I think of it as fight club a little bit where I don't talk about it publicly and I'm sorry, that's, I.

[John Gabrus]

Think that's the right.

[Adam Pally]

Whatever works for you.

[John Gabrus]

Whatever works for you. And that's, that's something that. We're big and if you want us.

[Adam Pally]

To take that out of the episode, we.

[Sean Hayes]

No, no, no.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

Leave. Leave everything. Everything I say. Even the January.

[John Gabrus]

Have you gone to, have you gone to a therapist before?

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, I went with my wife to therapy. We went to couples therapy. They always make me cry about my mom. So I stopped going cuz it was just always like crying about my mom.

[Adam Pally]

But yeah, I'mma cry about my dad guy.

[John Gabrus]

I'm a cry about my mom guy.

[Adam Pally]

They always, I guess usually it's which everyone's dead.

[Sean Hayes]

I mean it is, it is kind of funny. My wife and I, I, I found couples therapy to be really helpful with my wife and I. Oh yeah.

[John Gabrus]

I find couples therapy to be like a savior when, even when they're rocky.

[Adam Pally]

Even when things are going good. Couples Therapy feels good too, because it feels like, like, it feels like, all right, we have this appointment, and we both have to kind of be forthcoming.

[John Gabrus]

And honest, and you're both in it together.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah, I, I, I. Therapy is not really my thing. Hey, can I get back to my smoking thing for one second?

[John Gabrus]

Please do. Because I was bored with the therapy.

[Sean Hayes]

I was. I couldn't quit smoking. Some girl who I smoked with at work with. We call them butt cans. When you work on a set, they have a can filled with sand or water. And it's just the people who smoke have to stand around it almost like a urinal and just like, rip.

[Adam Pally]

Or like the old timey, like, homeless guys who are like one house.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah. And I was ripping a butt. Oh. And there was this young lady I worked with who wasn't there anymore, and I went, hey, I'm going to get a smoke. And she went, oh, gosh, I'm not smoking. And I went, how did you quit? And she said, I got hypnotized. And I was like, give me the number. Give me the number.

[John Gabrus]

Wait, you. You did it?

[Sean Hayes]

And so listen, I had had some experience with this, unsuccessfully. And I'm gonna tell a long story. Okay. Do we have, like, four minutes?

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. Oh, that's not a long story.

[Sean Hayes]

Banging on the door.

[John Gabrus]

Oh, I don't think so. This is. You want me, you want me to try to smoke a cigarette in the exact time of your story? See if I can get it down to three minutes. Two cigarettes.

[Adam Pally]

You sound like the BDSM lady I go to. She's like, you better come by the time I'm done with this Sig.

[Sean Hayes]

I had. I had had bad experience with this in the past. I moved to Los Angeles. I was chain smoker. I was on a set smoking a cigarette. Muscular man. Wow. There's. There's a theme with me.

[John Gabrus]

You seem to be talking to muscular men out of nowhere.

[Adam Pally]

I think we're that. But that's who we looked up to. I can't speak for you. Sorry, Jerry. But, like, growing up, that's who you looked up to, was like, athletes, buff guys, Arnold, Sly Van Dam. Like, those are the people who I was like. So I, I've always listened to buff men.

[John Gabrus]

Yeah. Wow.

[Sean Hayes]

Maybe I should get a podcast. Talking to muscular men.

[John Gabrus]

Dude, we'll produce it for you under the smartest banner.

[Adam Pally]

We're even less smart.

[John Gabrus]

Let me call, Let me call Will. Can you get Will Arnett on, On the phone? On the hopper.

[Adam Pally]

You want me to do this?

[John Gabrus]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

Jerry wants to do what it Butto. Muscular guy comes up to me and I say, hey, you. You want a siggy? And he says, no, I quit. I went, how did you quit? And he went, laser surgery. Laser. Laser therapy. And I went, what? And he went, laser therapy, man. It's just. It's incredible. It's a miracle. And he gave me a car. And I. So I called up the place, went in there, made an appointment. Not cheap. They gave me, like, a binder of personal questions about private stuff, sex stuff. A binder. And I sort of, like, filled it out, and I was like, man, I just want to stop with the siggies. Like, what is this? They take the binder in the waiting room. They call me in. I go into a waiting room. It's like a. It's got, like, a dentist, like a chair in there, and someone comes in in a lab coat. Arguably, one of the most attractive women I had seen in LA up until that time, in a lab coat comes in, and I was like, young. And I was like, you're. What is going on here? You're like, ashton, pop out. Like, what is this? I thought I was. Yeah.

[John Gabrus]

Where's Dax?

[Sean Hayes]

Ak. Where are you?

[John Gabrus]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

I went, what's going. Who. What's going on here? You're not a laser doctor. What is this Laser doctor? And she was like, I'm just gonna take you, ask some questions and give you the treatment. And I was like, who are you?

[John Gabrus]

What.

[Sean Hayes]

Who are you? What is this? First of all, I'm not calling you doctor. Give me your phone number. First of all. Secondly, what is go. What is this place?

[John Gabrus]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

And she was like, it's laser treatment for people with illness, with. With deficiencies and dependencies. And I said, oh, my gosh, is this now? I got to tell you, I've been in LA now for seven years, and I had never once been a part of any cult, guys.

[John Gabrus]

Scientology, any cult.

[Sean Hayes]

They never got me. They tried. They invited me to parties.

[John Gabrus]

Sounds like you were God.

[Sean Hayes]

I was at bars. I was drunk. They were like, hey, come on, we're having an after party. And then walking up, you'd see gates and a house and a neon sign, and you'd be like, oh, no, Jerry.

[John Gabrus]

It sounds like you had some times with Laura.

[Sean Hayes]

I'm not going in there. Right? And I was like, they got me. They got me drunk, and they were trying to get me in a building. And I was like, you're not getting me in there. No way.

[John Gabrus]

Right?

[Sean Hayes]

I need my money for siggies, so. And I was like, oh my gosh. Is this affiliated with a religion?

[John Gabrus]

Yeah.

[Sean Hayes]

And she was like. And I was like, is this affiliated? I need to know. Did you guys get me? Did you fucking get me? Did you get me? In a moment of weakness, I'm smoking a siggy and my weakness is a muscular man coming up to me and handing me my weakness. Men to a secret club. To a secret club. And this is the answer. Did you get me? And she was like, yes, it's affiliated with that, but they got me. So I had continued smoking all through that point until I met this woman who said, you gotta go see this hypnotist. And I was like, oh, God. I was like, I've been through this before. Is it affiliated with any religion? And she was like, no, it's just really good. Went to go see this old lady, had to pay cash upfront. I was like, this is never gonna work out.

[John Gabrus]

Out.

[Sean Hayes]

She made me bring pictures of my wife and my two children. And I sat in a chair in her weird office and she put headphones on me. And whatever music you hear at a Burke Williams spa or when you're getting like a mani, Petty started playing and she was talking to me and I fell asleep. And I woke up and she said, okay, that's it, you know, thanks for coming. Stay in touch. Good luck with the rest of your non smoking journey. And I was like, okay, thanks. What a load of shit. I fell asleep. I've deep sleep. What a load of shit. What a load of shit. I can't believe I paid cash for that. It was so much. Got to my car, grabbed my Marlboro mediums, put one in my mouth, about to light it. So upset with myself, by the way. I was not working. Money was tight. Couldn't believe I wasted that money. Could not light the cigarette.

[John Gabrus]

Really? It worked.

[Sean Hayes]

I had no idea.

[John Gabrus]

Well, you don't know what happened in that unconsciousness.

[Sean Hayes]

I have no idea. This is all I can tell. I have no idea what happened. I have not had nicotine since then. Wow. I will say this. The big difference is the cravings have never gone away. That's the bummer.

[John Gabrus]

Oh, okay.

[Sean Hayes]

So bummer, everybody.

[John Gabrus]

The cravings, you're always going to want it.

[Sean Hayes]

The cravings for nicotine have never gone away. I want it all the time. I just can't. I know. I can't have even a drag of somebody's American Spirit outside of.

[John Gabrus]

Yes, outside of the.

[Sean Hayes]

The Viper Room. You know, I like it. Just can't happen.

[John Gabrus]

Well, thank Jerry. Thank you so much for talking to us. I am going to need the name of that hypnotist because I have a sugar fish problem.

[Sean Hayes]

I've actually worked with you. I couldn't believe that you, you uber eated sugarfish. Sugar fish. Like the set.

[Adam Pally]

I've been working.

[John Gabrus]

Everybody in this room has seen me do that multiple times.

[Sean Hayes]

Let me just let everybody know when, when you work on a set set. Like they say lunch and everybody grabs whatever they're serving. And I'd be like, where's Pally?

[John Gabrus]

I'm gonna get my box.

[Sean Hayes]

And he's got that box of give.

[Adam Pally]

Me the no Zwe Trust special box.

[John Gabrus]

I love that box. I save them.

[Sean Hayes]

Really? What if you put your Legos in there?

[John Gabrus]

It smells like, horrible in my house.

[Adam Pally]

What if we go back and watch this clip and you and I are asleep and Jerry's hypnotizing.

[John Gabrus]

Oh, my God. We wake up and I never want sugar fish again. What do you do?

[Sean Hayes]

Cravings of sugar fish. It never goes away.

[John Gabrus]

Yeah. I'll tell you right now, everybody, I still want that salmon.

[Adam Pally]

Jerry, thank you so much for giving us your time.

[John Gabrus]

Thank you. Yeah. And you look amazing. Yeah, you look amazing.

[Adam Pally]

There we go.

[Sean Hayes]

Oh, wow. There it is.

[Adam Pally]

Long island and Suffolk. Yeah, that's, that's my guy over there.

[Sean Hayes]

On the armpit by the elbow. Swimming with him. No, you couldn't you leave out that about staying alive? Gym? Oh, yeah.

[Adam Pally]

I'm a big swimmer too.

[John Gabrus]

I, I, you didn't even go through your gym. You said. You didn't mention swimming in your gym.

[Sean Hayes]

Well, like a merman.

[Adam Pally]

Well, listen for the listeners. Shear is off. Our next guest, Paul Shear, is off camera screaming that Jerry doing our job better than us.

[Sean Hayes]

Listen, first of all, I haven't had a swim in months since summer craving.

[Adam Pally]

I was hypnotized in the summer.

[Sean Hayes]

But I love to open water swim. And what that means is like, swim the ocean ocean, like lakes, ocean lake. If there's a lake. But I'm mostly, my family lives on Long island. And Paul and I did a classic film called Piranha 3D.

[John Gabrus]

Oh, yeah, the remake. Are you guys getting a cut of that remake?

[Sean Hayes]

Are they remaking it?

[John Gabrus]

Yeah, yeah. With Jack Black and Paul Rudd. Oh, is that Piranha? Anaconda. Sorry.

[Adam Pally]

They got snakes out here. That big.

[John Gabrus]

Different franchise.

[Sean Hayes]

But we were working on a body of water because the a, there has to be a body of water when you do a movie called Piranha. And I would open water swim every day. And, and Paul saw me, but I have not open water swim I only open water swim in the summer.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, you don't, you don't in the.

[Sean Hayes]

Summer, so that's why I didn't mention it here.

[John Gabrus]

No, no, no, it's fine.

[Sean Hayes]

I don't go. I don't go in pools. Really. I'm like, I love the ocean. I think there's like healing powers. Yeah, I think there's like a therapy to it. I. I don't. I.

[Adam Pally]

You got me. I'm 100 on board with that. As an island boy, I was a Jones beach lifeguard. I spent a lot of time in the. The ocean. I still swim in the ocean as frequently as I can this summer. I do swim laps in the off season. Cuz living in LA allows you to swim outside year round, which is kind of.

[Sean Hayes]

Do you go to that West Hollywood pool?

[Adam Pally]

Yes, sir, atop the library. It's a really cool pool.

[Sean Hayes]

Yeah.

[John Gabrus]

Yeah. I don't know how to swim.

[Adam Pally]

Well, we'll get this remote episode. We.

[Sean Hayes]

Hey, dude, if you ever want to get ripped, swimming is the joint.

[John Gabrus]

Really?

[Sean Hayes]

Obviously. Oh, man.

[John Gabrus]

Yeah. I mean, like, it's. So your story, your story early on about how you got ripped for a movie is my dream. Like, that's the only way I think I'll ever.

[Adam Pally]

Where the carrot is a big gig with money.

[John Gabrus]

Yeah. I can't, like, this is the best it's ever gonna get for me without money.

[Adam Pally]

I think I want to quote you one time, I said to you, all I want in my career is to get one of those jobs where they pay you to go to like boot camp and like, you learn how to. And you were like, that might be the only way you live to 60.

[Sean Hayes]

You know, guys. You know guys.

[John Gabrus]

Marvel, help me out here.

[Sean Hayes]

You know guys, you actually think that. But real health and happiness and, well, real, real staying alive, Adam, happens when no one is forcing you. And you're right. And Adam, no one's looking.

[John Gabrus]

You're right.

[Sean Hayes]

It's just for you. So if you want to stay alive, you got to do it when no one else is looking.

[John Gabrus]

Jesus Christ, Jerry. He's right. I gotta take a shit. Jerry, you're the best. We love you. Thank you so much.

[Adam Pally]

That was a good chat. I don't know about you, but I need a cigaret.

[John Gabrus]

I need a little thing we take.

[Adam Pally]

Away from that, is that you and I start smoking.

[John Gabrus]

I guess.

[Adam Pally]

Sorry, Jerry.

[John Gabrus]

I will say that, like, he did make. He did romanticize cigarettes. Like, if I ever have to write a term paper, I will definitely be smoking cigarettes again.

[Adam Pally]

That was the most realistic Conversation I've had about cigarettes in a long time.

[John Gabrus]

Me too. Because it wasn't all like, they'll kill you. It was like, ooh, they're great.

[Adam Pally]

He even says like, I, yes, I'm over my addiction. But I, I, you never stop thinking about it.

[John Gabrus]

I know. It's crazy too, because, like, I just can't imagine Jerry o' Connell smoking.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, I know.

[John Gabrus]

It feels crazy.

[Adam Pally]

So fit. Yeah. Ye, I, I know a few other people who did the hypnotist thing and it worked for them.

[John Gabrus]

Really?

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. Mutual friends of ours. Yeah.

[John Gabrus]

Maybe I should go to cut down on my sugar fish intake.

[Adam Pally]

You have to go to a very specific hypnotist to be like, I want to switch from the trust me to the trust me.

[John Gabrus]

All of a sudden I'm going to Kazu Nori. I'm just doing hand, just doing hand rolls there. I can't even, I, I brought that.

[Adam Pally]

You got to a guy, you go to a hypnotist who makes you just into sashimi so you can get rid of rice.

[John Gabrus]

Telling you, I brought that piece of sushi up to my mouth. Mouth. I couldn't do it.

[Adam Pally]

Got in my car, busted out my.

[John Gabrus]

Box, got in my car, took out my, my sushi. My box of fish I kept in my car. If I can do a ride, a 30 minute ride without craving fish.

[Adam Pally]

That now all the parallels to cigarettes, like, you're right. After you have sex, you roll over and just eat a sushi roll. Nothing hits. You need a sushi roll in the.

[John Gabrus]

Morning to get you hand roll, baby.

[Adam Pally]

Five edamame in the. Then you're just on the can.

[John Gabrus]

I gotta go have a new nagi Break from work in the cold outside, huddled around with a bunch of people complaining about the boss handing out sushi rolls.

[Adam Pally]

Hey, it's not fair. How come my co workers get to have all these 10 minute sushi breaks throughout the day? I should get to leave early.

[John Gabrus]

At your desk. D out.

[Adam Pally]

I want cigarettes and sushi right now so bad. Hey, next week, guys. See you there. Or here. Well, you'll see us. We won't see you at all. Which is, you know, part of our plan.

[John Gabrus]

Yeah, we're not gonna interact later.

[Adam Pally]

Stay alive. You have been listening to Staying Alive with John Gabris and Adam Pally A Smart List Media Production and association with.

[John Gabrus]

Sirius XM Produced by Devin Tory Bryant and Anne Harris Edited and engineered by Devin Tory Bryant Associate Producer and Video.

[Adam Pally]

Producer is Matty McCann social media producer.

[John Gabrus]

Tommy Galgano assistant engineer Kyle McGraw special thanks to Jared O' Connell at SiriusXM.

[Adam Pally]

Executive producers are John Gabris, Ooh me. Adam Palley, Ooh you, Will Arnett, Jason Bateman, Sean Hayes, Richard Courson and Bernie Kaminsky.

[John Gabrus]

Just so everyone knows we do not have a discord.

[Adam Pally]

Don't reach out to us.

[John Gabrus]

See us on the street. Walk the other way or you'll catch hands.

[Adam Pally]

We are machines.

[John Gabrus]

I am a bit machine. I can't not do bit.

[Sean Hayes]

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[Adam Pally]

I had joint pain and I couldn't.

[John Gabrus]

Move like I used to. I needed relief.

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I got Cosentyx.

[John Gabrus]

It helped me move better.

[F]

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[Sean Hayes]

Ask your rheumatologist about Cosentyx.