Ketamine & Coping (w/ Dr. Steven Radowitz)

Summary

Podcast Summary: Staying Alive with Jon Gabrus & Adam Pally

Episode Title: Ketamine & Coping (w/ Dr. Steven Radowitz)
Release Date: May 1, 2025
Host: Jon Gabrus & Adam Pally
Guest: Dr. Steven Radowitz, Specialist in Ketamine Therapy

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Introduction

In this insightful episode of Staying Alive, hosts Jon Gabrus and Adam Pally delve into the realm of mental health treatment using ketamine therapy. Joined by Dr. Steven Radowitz, a leading expert in psychedelic wellness, the discussion explores the transformative potential of ketamine in addressing various mental health challenges.

Guest Introduction

Dr. Steven Radowitz brings a wealth of experience to the conversation. With a background rooted in both medicine and spirituality, Dr. Radowitz has been instrumental in integrating ketamine therapy into mainstream mental health treatments. He leads the primary care program at Goldman Sachs and directs one of the largest psychedelic wellness centers in Midtown Manhattan.

Understanding Ketamine Therapy

Ketamine Therapy Explained: Dr. Radowitz outlines ketamine therapy as a treatment primarily for treatment-resistant mood disorders, including depression, anxiety, PTSD, and addiction. Unlike traditional medications that often aim to suppress symptoms, ketamine facilitates a deeper exploration of one’s emotions and traumas.

"When you do it in a controlled setting with intention, it’s a completely different experience." [07:26]

Session Structure: A standard ketamine therapy session involves a series of two infusions per week over three weeks. Each session lasts about an hour, during which patients wear eye masks and listen to carefully curated music playlists to enhance the therapeutic experience.

"In that experience, they start to see the music... everything dissolves and then the next thing comes in." [45:00]

Processing Trauma and Mental Health

Processed vs. Unprocessed Trauma: Dr. Radowitz emphasizes the importance of processing trauma rather than merely suppressing it. He defines "unprocessed trauma" as unresolved emotional experiences that negatively influence one’s perception of the world.

"Unprocessed means you haven't extracted the good... It's an opportunity for better." [09:59]

Philosophical Approach: Drawing from Kabbalah, Dr. Radowitz discusses the interconnectedness of all experiences and the significance of spiritual well-being alongside physical health. This holistic approach underpins his methodology in ketamine therapy.

"We are not here to suffer... There's always a way out." [17:37]

Personal Anecdotes and Experiences

Dr. Radowitz shares his personal journey with psychedelics, highlighting how reading about Kabbalah profoundly impacted his understanding of the world and his approach to medicine. This spiritual awakening led him to explore the therapeutic benefits of psychedelics, ultimately shaping his professional path.

"It changed my whole life. Literally took my life and flipped it and it brought me to where I am today." [17:33]

The Role of Music and Set/Setting

Enhancing the Experience: Music plays a critical role in ketamine therapy sessions. Dr. Radowitz explains that the right set and setting, including the selection of spiritual or ambient music, facilitate deeper emotional and psychological experiences.

"The music is a huge part of it. It's just as important as the medicine." [45:55]

Synesthesia and Sensory Integration: Patients often experience synesthesia, a blending of senses, allowing them to "see" music and engage more fully with their inner emotions.

"It's like seeing music rather than just hearing it." [43:46]

Integration and Group Therapy

Group Integration Sessions: Dr. Radowitz advocates for group therapy sessions where participants can share and process their experiences collectively. This communal aspect fosters a sense of connection and mutual support among patients.

"Group therapy. You work with each other, you feed, you learn from each other." [53:34]

Future of Psychedelic Therapy: He envisions a future where psychedelic therapy is widely accepted and integrated into standard mental health practices, emphasizing the importance of structured environments and professional guidance.

"I think that's the future of psychedelics and that garden." [53:32]

Ethical Considerations

Balancing Treatment and Authentic Experience: The conversation touches on the ethical implications of ketamine therapy versus traditional medications. Dr. Radowitz argues that ketamine does not eliminate pain but rather allows patients to process and understand it from new perspectives.

"We're not taking away their pain. We're letting them see it from another perspective." [48:03]

Avoiding Dependence: He cautions against the potential for dependency, stressing that psychedelics should empower individuals to find solutions within themselves rather than becoming reliant on substances.

"You need to use it to find the answers within yourself. You have all the happiness we have. Everything we need." [36:50]

Potential Risks and Proper Administration

Managing Bad Experiences: Dr. Radowitz acknowledges that not every psychedelic experience is positive. However, he maintains that what is often perceived as a "bad trip" is usually a result of poorly processed emotions or an improper setting.

"I don't believe in bad experiences. It's only badly processed." [28:56]

Safety Protocols: He details the stringent safety measures in place during therapy sessions, including pre-session evaluations, controlled environments, and post-session integration support to mitigate risks and enhance therapeutic outcomes.

"We have therapists... We make sure they feel comfortable. They're prepared for it." [45:01]

Conclusion

The episode concludes with Dr. Radowitz expressing his passion for psychedelic therapy and its potential to transform mental health treatment. Jon and Adam echo his enthusiasm, highlighting the profound impact ketamine therapy can have on individuals seeking holistic healing.

"Hope to help some people out there, that's all. That's why I do these things right here." [58:13]

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Notable Quotes:

• "Unprocessed means you haven't extracted the good... It's an opportunity for better." [09:59]
• "We are not here to suffer... There's always a way out." [17:37]
• "The music is a huge part of it. It's just as important as the medicine." [45:55]
• "We're not taking away their pain. We're letting them see it from another perspective." [48:03]

This episode offers a comprehensive look into the benefits and challenges of ketamine therapy, blending professional insights with personal experiences to provide listeners with a nuanced understanding of this emerging mental health treatment.

Transcript

[John Gabris]

Smart.

[Adam Pally]

Bless me.

[John Gabris]

Hey, everybody, Sean Hayes here.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Listen, this podcast is not intended as a substitute for a physician's medical advice. My pod sons, John and Adam, are.

[John Gabris]

Not doctors to say the least. And even when they have doctors on.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

The show, they aren't prescribing you anything. They don't even know you Listen for entertainment, not advice. Good.

[John Gabris]

Okay, good.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Enjoy the show, everybody.

[John Gabris]

What a great name for a band.

[Adam Pally]

Let's go.

[John Gabris]

Big Psychedelia.

[Adam Pally]

We began like a screamo band named Big Psychedelia.

[John Gabris]

I do psychedelic improv. Can we get a suggestion of a color?

[Adam Pally]

How are you feeling this morning? We went out, we had a couple of. A couple of drinks together.

[John Gabris]

I'm feeling great. I woke up, I was shot out of bed. Feeling excited that I had drinks and dinner last night and have a job to go to in the morning.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. I walked home from the train and smoked a J and drank a big salt water like electrolytes and I knew I was going to be okay today.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, nice. We said last night while we were having our drink because we didn't eat a huge dinner we had. It's a kaya. Great. It's a kaya spa secret. We can't tell.

[Adam Pally]

We're not telling.

[John Gabris]

We're gatekeeping. I'm gatekeeping.

[Adam Pally]

Even though it's like definitely not hidden.

[John Gabris]

I mean is. It's a little hidden, but it's in.

[Adam Pally]

A very common area.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, but I'm not telling anybody about it.

[Adam Pally]

No, it's ours.

[John Gabris]

But we, we're going back tonight. I loved it so much, but we, we didn't eat that much. And I was, we were supposed. Tonight's a good pizza night. Like a slice, a walking slice. And I didn't do it.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Me neither.

[Adam Pally]

And I believe it's because of this show.

[John Gabris]

Me too.

[Adam Pally]

I think it's because of the show. I knew we had to wake up. Today is an earlyish day earlier. And I was like, I, I can't have pizza. So I just got Fiji electrolytes. And then I, I looked a. I.

[John Gabris]

Looked at the pizza place and was like, I'm not going to do it. I walked home and I had like half a sleeve of graham crackers that the kids had left out. Put it away.

[Adam Pally]

Whoa.

[John Gabris]

Chugged a Gatorade, cuz. Or Drake. One of them was drinking a Gatorade and it was like in the fridge and you know, sometimes you're like, ooh, yeah, just going to crush that cold.

[Adam Pally]

Ice cold 3/4 bottle of Gatorade. That's.

[John Gabris]

And it just went down so easy. Went upstairs, brushed my teeth, passed out. Woke up this morning feeling like Rocky.

[Adam Pally]

Oh, it's awesome. Yeah, I'm feeling good, too. And I'm looking forward to our. Our upcoming guest. Like, I mean, we got a doctor.

[John Gabris]

We have a doctor. A Dr. Steven who's not my father, which is amazing. And also a doctor who specializes in. Works for the Neshama program and specializes in ketamine therapy, which is something I've been really wanting to learn about.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, I'm actually very stoked. This is a really good version of our show because it's like, we're talking to a real official expert, but it is kind of about psychedelics. And.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, it's something that I would like to.

[Adam Pally]

Something that we have some experience in, but maybe not lab experience.

[John Gabris]

And then our next episode is going to be a doctor of steak.

[Adam Pally]

It's me, Dr. Beef Boy, in character as a doctor. You're sitting on my shoulders in a big lab coat. It's us, Dr. Beef Boy. All right, let's get to Dr. Stephen Radowitz.

[John Gabris]

Dr. Radowitz. We'll get into, like, all your. Like. Is Radowitz the right.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah, Radowitz. You can call me Steven, Dr. Rad. Okay, you can go with that.

[John Gabris]

Okay, Rad.

[Adam Pally]

Wait, this is.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

That's a little.

[Adam Pally]

Is it uncomfortable to have a Dr. Steven here?

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

No, Dr. Steven's fine.

[Adam Pally]

But that's his dad's name.

[John Gabris]

My dad. My dad. My dad is a physician. Osteopathic internist. But he. He came to it late in life because he was a musician before. Till I was, like, 8 years old, and then he went back to medical school. What I found out when I looked who was coming today is that my father and Dr. Rad went to the same medical school. Then I found out from Dr. Rad that the reason for that is because medical schools at the time were not fully accepting of Jews. So the University of Chicago, where my father went and where Dr. Rad went was, like, a safe haven for Jews to study medicine.

[Adam Pally]

That's so crazy, because, man, could you be more off. Like, I don't know if Jewish guys should be doctors. It's like, well, every doctor, every physician, every.

[John Gabris]

So, Dr. Rad, you. You have a. I don't know if this is a focus, but it's the first thing that came to my mind when I saw your res. Yeah, you have a. I want to get it right. A. You work with Nishama.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Nishama, yeah.

[John Gabris]

Which is a network of legal, psychedelic wellness clinics that treat depression, anxiety, ptsd, opioid addiction, alcoholism, ocd, eating disorders, chronic pain and other ailments of the spirit.

[Adam Pally]

It sounds like my grinder profile.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Oh my God. Yeah.

[John Gabris]

Through. But the, the main thing that I'm going to like the headline is psychedelic wellness.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Right. It's all the same.

[John Gabris]

Well, what does that. So I want to know what that means. Like as a fan of psychedelics recreationally.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Right.

[Adam Pally]

But there is, I will say, even as a recreational user of psychedelics, there is. I do feel better.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

But when you do it in a controlled body, in a controlled. Not as a control, but with intention. And it doesn't have to be super controlled, but it's a completely different experience. You put on music more immersive. It's a different drug setting.

[Adam Pally]

Yes.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

You know the term.

[John Gabris]

So I want to get into like your whole medical and anything. But like before we do that, it says you deal in like with ketamine therapy. Yeah. And. And, and I just, I just, I. I feel like I would be remiss if I didn't ask, like, are you, do you. Are you holding?

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Am I holding?

[John Gabris]

Do I have any on me right now?

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Adam Pally]

Can you write us a script?

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah, you can come see me. We're right down the. The streets.

[John Gabris]

I will give it to you.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

It's much more fun. Anything I could hold on me would not be a good experience.

[John Gabris]

Really? Because I found the opposite.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Now you'll see. You've never done the Ivy. You've never done a real psychedelic version.

[Adam Pally]

When I'm back out in April, let's set up an appointment.

[John Gabris]

I would love to do a follow up.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Come in, come in.

[John Gabris]

I want to see if it works on me because like, I feel like you're looking at me like this guy.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

You need it.

[Adam Pally]

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[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

So the way it works, you know, the whole process.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, so everyone through the process and what we're hoping to get out of it. Right.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

So most people who come to see us are coming in for treatment resistant mood disorders. You know, whether it's depression, anxiety, PTSD. Everyone has PTSD. About 95% of our patients have some type of situation from their childhood that was unprocessed. That sort of colors the way they see the world. So we call it unprocessed trauma. Addiction's a big one. You know, we. Some of our best results are with addiction. And addiction is just a form of, of coping. People use to cope, whether it's thumbing through Instagram, watching porn, sitting on Grindr for hours, or, you know, whatever it.

[John Gabris]

Is, people find ways.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah, but no, it's just a way of coping with, you know, with our emotions we can't deal with. So all those things, eating disorders, all these things. So what? So that's the bulk of the people who come to see us to treat those things. So when people come in, they do a full medical and psychiatric evaluation. It's about an hour. We make sure they're, you know, it's a good option, safe option. Make sure there's no, you know, issues. And then if they're cleared, they go into the program. The program is a series of two infusions a week over a three week period. So that's our protocol and it's based on the best studies out there from Yale and whatnot, and our experience. We've seen about 2,600 people come through our program, about 12,000 of these infusions. So a lot. Yeah, we've seen, so I've. So quite amazing.

[John Gabris]

You, you, you mentioned something before that I just wanted to ask, and this is probably more of an opinion question, but you mentioned the word processed.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

And like that. That word is always kind of like a, like a hot button word for me when I hear it, because there's no to me. There's no like right or wrong way to process something. And so it's like, how do you, how do you decide? How do you come to that diagnosis where it's like, well, this is someone dealing with something on process versus someone who has processed something and maybe dealing with something else. You know what I mean?

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Right. Yeah. I think, I think unprocessed means you haven't extracted the good. You know, every situation in life I think is there to help us. You know, we can learn from it, grow from it, become stronger, make a commitment not to do it to anyone else. And then it becomes a sort of a opportunity for better, you know, to make us ours. Better. Better. Or we could sit with it, feel bad, try and understand why this person did this to me. Why would a parent, you know, sexually molest their children? You can go and intellectualize that and go through therapy for, you know, lifetimes and you'll never figure that out.

[John Gabris]

Right.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Or we can say, okay, how can I become better despite this or because of this. And that's processing. It's seeing it from another perspective, learning from it, growing from it, saying thank you for the lesson universe and then letting it.

[Adam Pally]

Emphasis on processing and forgiving. It's an ongoing thing.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah, it's an ongoing thing. It's a process.

[Adam Pally]

Like it's been processed or it's unprocessed.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. It's not like food where you're processing. Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Like these chicken nuggets.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Well, in a way, but in a way it is. I mean in a way it's just.

[Adam Pally]

A digestion could take a long time.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

So if we don't eat properly, doesn't process things. Certain things take longer to process.

[John Gabris]

So let's go back a little bit to your history.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

You are in medical school at the University of Chicago.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Let's pick Chicago medical school. Yeah.

[John Gabris]

The Jewish one.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

And you're from Montreal.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

I grew up in Montreal.

[John Gabris]

So a lot of us in Montreal.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah, a lot.

[John Gabris]

A lot of us in Montreal.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

I mean we live.

[Adam Pally]

Great bagels.

[John Gabris]

Great bagels.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Very good bagels.

[Adam Pally]

Smoke meat, deli.

[John Gabris]

Great deli. Yeah, great food, Amazing fun city, Safe haven. After World War II.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah. So a lot of Jews migrated to Canada and to Montreal to run mostly. Montreal had a big concentration, right? Yeah, yeah.

[John Gabris]

And you come out and you become the, the medical director.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Chief medical. Whatever term you want to use.

[John Gabris]

Chief medical director of Goldman Sachs.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Oh, no, I wasn't the chief medical. So what? I, I was the. I ran the primary care program at Goldman Sachs for 13 years. Yeah.

[John Gabris]

Some Wolf of Wall Street.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah. I said no.

[John Gabris]

Really? Were you like.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

I was just taking care of the scripts?

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, every month.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

No, it's a great. I mean I never thought of my. It was such a different world from what I was.

[John Gabris]

How many times did you find yourself late at night with Steve Madden?

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah, well, this is one of those.

[Adam Pally]

Situations where a company gets big enough that they're like, we can have an in house doctor. More or less.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Most of the companies have Chase. Yeah, a lot of companies have in house doctors. You know, when I was Health centers.

[Adam Pally]

Way back in the day, I was a temp and I got temped for a day at Lehman Brothers. And like, you'll be in a medical office and I worked the.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

What? Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

And I had no idea. And I was temping in the medical office.

[John Gabris]

Now. What is that?

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

I once did a little. I worked there for a couple. Just for.

[John Gabris]

But when you say that, that's not like, what most people think. You get stock options.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

I get nothing.

[John Gabris]

Really?

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah. I was just a contractor. No, no, I had nothing to do with it. And nothing to do with. Goldman was sort of brought in as a contractor. So I just took care of their.

[John Gabris]

Look, I don't work for.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

No, no, no, no, I don't.

[Adam Pally]

I work for the sec.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

So it's not just a high up. It's. It's. You know, there's tons. For all the people at the top. It's a huge company. There's. I mean, tons of people working in, you know, in. You know, it. That's the majority of the people. We saw support. There's a ton of support.

[John Gabris]

Carpal tunnel.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

A lot of carpal tunnel. Yes, we saw. So I'm crazy.

[John Gabris]

So the reason I'm asking, historically is then how. What. When does the psychedelic bleed into the. The profession?

[Adam Pally]

Because, like. Like on paper, a major financial firm and psychedelics seem to go together.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Oh, they need a. Well, these. As you.

[Adam Pally]

Well, now that. Now I know. Yeah, Yeah.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

A lot of them need it, but.

[John Gabris]

Well, they got to counteract all the blow.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah, exactly. No comments.

[John Gabris]

I nailed it.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Wow, that's good. Yeah. No, how did I find myself into psychedelics? You know, over the years, you know, I started a patient of mine who actually gave me this book on Jewish Ms. Kabbalah. You know, it was crazy. He wasn't even Jewish. He was gay. He said, you know, you should read this book on it.

[John Gabris]

And I read, you can be both.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah, you could be.

[John Gabris]

Turns out that they're not.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah, yeah. No, they're not.

[Adam Pally]

There's an expression. If a gay man gives you a book you read for lunch, you read it.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Take heed.

[John Gabris]

The way you said that, though, reminded me of the newscaster clip. You know, that's like the.

[Adam Pally]

He climbed a mountain and he was.

[John Gabris]

And he's gay.

[Adam Pally]

I mean, blind. I meant blind.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

But so I read this book and it just. It just blew my mind. I don't. It just allowed me to see the world. It's Kabbalah. You ever hear of Kabbalah?

[John Gabris]

Of course. Well, I've heard of Madonna and Ashton Kutcher.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah, yeah, they go to.

[Adam Pally]

I mean, I'm familiar with Jewish mysticism as a couple.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Pretty well, though.

[John Gabris]

I mean, no, all the Kabbalah people are doing pretty well. You know, I hope Ashton keeps his nose out of this Diddy stuff, but everybody else is doing pretty well. They're doing okay. You know, I don't.

[Adam Pally]

I don't know if Kelso is going to get out of this.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, he may not come out of this one clean Steve Jobs number two. But I really never learned about it. I came. My mother was. Was religious.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

And I started growing up religious until I. I got kicked out of Hebrew school. And so then religion was kind of like left away from me, so I never really looked into.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

You wouldn't have learned that in your religious.

[Adam Pally]

Taught that? No, but there's.

[John Gabris]

But as an adult, like, when I got to college, like, you know, I never went to the cabal. Like, there's cabal on campus and stuff.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah, I never did and all those things.

[John Gabris]

Never did any of it. It just like.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

It's fun.

[John Gabris]

I know, but it's just like religion just like. Missed me.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

I mean, me too. I didn't when I was younger, but it took me a little later. And when I read this, it just allows you to see the world. It's not religious, actually. Spirituality is, for me. It's a science. Kabbalah is like, almost like a science. It's the essence of religion. It's like the. You suck out the juice and you see the essence of it. It's like the difference between, you know, physics and quantum physics. It's like how things work underneath, under the hood. And it allows you to see the world from a very different perspective. And that was my first psychedelic experience, was just reading, Reading and studying that. That was my real psychedelic experience.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. If you know, like, what kind of re. What kind of things are being discussed in. In cabal. Is it like this. Is it like the soul's journey, like after death? Are we talking birth or like, what are. What. What's, like, the meaning?

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

What's the purpose here? Like, to receive. Kabbalah means to receive. How do we receive everything? And you have this force, you know, atheist. It's this energy, whatever you want to call it, trying to give us everything, but if we receive everything without earning it, what is it? And you end up being like, it's a mess. It just doesn't work. So we want to be like, the thing giving to us. So we Learn how to receive also through sharing. So it's creating a circuit, you know, rather than just energy coming in and you not, you know, accepting all this and not earning it and working for it. We want to work for what we.

[Adam Pally]

Receive, for all, for all our Gen Z listeners. What the doctor is talking about is good vibes in. Good vibes.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Exactly, exactly. Keep it in circulation. Keep everything in circulation.

[John Gabris]

Right.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

And that's the way it works. And you see people who.

[John Gabris]

And also like love you take is equal to give it to love you.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Exactly.

[Adam Pally]

Is that true?

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Exactly.

[John Gabris]

Is that?

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

And seeing the good, seeing the good, you know, seeing the good and the bad and bad and the good, everything is sort of. There's a way of seeing things from a more holistic. When you step back years, you know, things that were really bad that you saw, this was the most horrible thing of my life. You step back and you see. And actually this is the thing that really got me to where I am today. And it could have been the most amazing thing.

[John Gabris]

Were you, when you were given the book, were you suffering from some kind of trauma yourself or like, trauma.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

But it was difficult, you know, going through. I was going a little bit of a difficult time at the, you know, relationships, dealing with certain things, so. And it just allowed me to see right through it and also help process it. And it changed my whole life. Like, literally took my life and flipped it and it brought me to where I am today.

[Adam Pally]

So it changed, like maybe what you wanted to do medically too.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah, the way I saw medicine, when people came in with certain medical issues or mental health issues, I was able. It allowed me to see through it and have a little bit more faith that actually there's a way out. We're not here in this world to suffer. That's my main thing, you know, we're not here to be punished. There's no punishments. There's no good or bad. There's just is, you know, and you learn to just accept, learn from it, grow from it, and then move on. And that's what life is. And when you go through life with that ease, listen, there's pain. And I still say, you know, there's times when I resist and I suffer, but I could work myself. I know it's going to get better.

[Adam Pally]

Say yes to what is. That's a mantra, you know?

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Exactly.

[Adam Pally]

When something's happening, you can't do anything right. You got to just say, yes, this is what it is.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

What a pleasure.

[Adam Pally]

Thank you for this experience.

[John Gabris]

Thank you for so much of my dad. If my dad was on mushrooms.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Right? That's what happened later. That's what happened later.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. The other doctor, Steven just took it down. And now he could get on your level.

[John Gabris]

On your level. And it would probably be great for him, but.

[Adam Pally]

And you.

[John Gabris]

I know. It would be great for me.

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[Adam Pally]

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[E]

Hey, Kristen, how's it tracking with Carvana Value Tracker?

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

What else?

[E]

Oh, it's tracking, in fact. Value surge alert. Trucks up 2.5%, vans down 1.7.

[John Gabris]

Just as predicted.

[Adam Pally]

Mm.

[John Gabris]

So we gonna.

[E]

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[John Gabris]

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[John Gabris]

So, like, how does. When did the mushrooms come in?

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

The mushrooms came in later on. So my partner. Husband. We have two kids. After our first kid was born, he developed these terror. He's also a physician. Developed these terrible headaches.

[John Gabris]

Your child?

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Oh, no, no, no, no.

[John Gabris]

Your partner. My husband.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Okay.

[Adam Pally]

Oh, wow.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Terrible headaches every day. David.

[John Gabris]

David. Okay. I just like to.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

I hope I'm not giving a little HIPAA violation, but I'm giving. You did say.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, yeah. So now I'm worried.

[Adam Pally]

Well, don't worry.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

He knows. He knows. Anyways, it's not a big deal. It's not a big deal.

[John Gabris]

That's my favorite joke from Throwback is.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

Rich goes to me like it's a HIPAA violation, and I'm. And I go, the big guy from Sopranos?

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah, yeah.

[John Gabris]

And he goes, no, that's Steve Sharipa.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

So he developed headaches right after our first, and we couldn't figure it out. He tried everything. He had sinus surgery after the first kid.

[John Gabris]

So could that have been as a parent as well? Is that stress and sleep? Because, like, I've physical. The physical after. A child can, like, throw people.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Absolutely. But we. Well, that's the thing. That's what we found out when we started doing some work with it, you know, and so we got to it. He had all sinus surgery, acupuncture, did medications, and nothing really worked, you know, so someone came to us, you know, a practitioner, and said, hey, you should do. You know, you should try these. These psychedelic journeys. And we never really got into, you know, did these things before. And it took us about a year. Finally, we went to this sort of a very controlled retreat place together. Together, yes.

[John Gabris]

That's.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

It was like 14 other people. There was other people at the center, so it was a whole group.

[John Gabris]

Give a shout out.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

There was like a sort of a shaman there. Yeah.

[John Gabris]

What's his vibe?

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Very amazing.

[John Gabris]

Really?

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah, yeah.

[John Gabris]

Do you know his name?

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

I can't say that.

[John Gabris]

You can't say that. What's. What's his like?

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah, he was just. No, not like a shaman. Just an amazing person.

[John Gabris]

Is it like robes and.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Nothing to do with that. You know, it was very, like.

[John Gabris]

Like, what's the wardrobe like?

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

It was beautiful. They had a beautiful house somewhere else. No, no, just. Just.

[John Gabris]

I'm trying to get a vibe here.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah, you're trying to get a vibe. How could I get a vibe?

[John Gabris]

Do you walk into, like, a pool? Modern.

[Adam Pally]

It's a bunch of wealthy people.

[John Gabris]

Vibe.

[Adam Pally]

It's like a. It's like a charming, positive white lotus.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Exactly.

[John Gabris]

Okay, good.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

A little bit of that, A little bit of that. It was nice.

[Adam Pally]

Very gay doctor couples.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Come on.

[Adam Pally]

Pick the vibe out myself.

[John Gabris]

I just want to know what the. With the guy. Five other doctors there, you know, Goat with the shaman.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

No, no, no.

[Adam Pally]

Shot using the word shaman. He's not even using it.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

I'm not using the word. Sean. Let's get a facilitator.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, we'll call him a Josh Radner.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Exactly.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. So does Josh Radner at this point.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

We did it.

[John Gabris]

Is he wearing, like, a robe?

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

No robe.

[Adam Pally]

Still no robe.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Flowing shirt, light pants, sort of these, you know, those little flowy shirts, you know, like, very nice. Yeah. You know, what's going on? Anyways, we sat outside. Nice situation around the pool. And. And in the journey, he was shown and I was shown other things, but he was shown exactly where the headaches were coming from. Some trauma growing up. You grew up in a Very religious Jewish home.

[John Gabris]

When you say shown. When you say shown, it was literally a vision. A vision. He was catching the visual. This is where my pain is coming from.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

It was very controlled eye mask.

[John Gabris]

Music.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Music. Yeah. No, we weren't running around. No, everyone was on mats. It was very. It was a lot of set and setting.

[John Gabris]

Beautiful.

[Adam Pally]

That's what the real.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

We weren't allowed to talk. We had to lie down. So when you're focused and you're doing this in a proper, you know, with a real intention, you see things. If you're running around talking to friends at a club somewhere, it's a very different situation. You're not going to see the vision both worthwhile. So the music. The music helps encourage that. And he was showing that music. Spiritual music. Yeah, you know, it's mostly baby music.

[John Gabris]

Kind of mushroom music. Yeah, it was like that weirdo Yankovic trying to do.

[Adam Pally]

Are you familiar with Mongolian throat singing?

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

That's good. I would like that. I would prefer that.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah. So he was shown, you know, where it came from. And it was some issues. Trauma, we call it, trauma from his childhood. And afterwards the headaches completely went away. He was having these every day. Every day. They'd come on at a certain time. It was the weirdest thing. And leave at a certain time, couldn't function and headaches went away. So we started, like, exploring more this world. And I had a few. A number of my patients also work with this, with medicine. Very interesting case. One woman, actually, I can't give away too much, but she worked for a very popular children's show and she developed cancer, stage 4 cancer, spread to her brain. And I have the chart. I kept her paper chart to remind. And she went to a legal. Actually a legal journey space, psychedelic journey space, out in Arizona somewhere and had a crazy experience. Six months later, everything was gone. Everything. I know, you look at that, it's like crazy, crazy shit, right?

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

That's just the power.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Like, how do you explain that even.

[Adam Pally]

If you've done psychedelics, like. Like recreationally. Yeah, just the.

[John Gabris]

You.

[Adam Pally]

It opens your eyes and your mind, obviously, to the idea that the brain is insanely powerful.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Very powerful.

[Adam Pally]

And all of a sudden you're like, not the brain. Well, yeah, let me say. Let me say.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah, I believe there's something more. We'll get into that. Right. Which is one of the levels of the soul. Yeah. So it's in Kabbalah, there's five levels of the soul and the shama is like in the middle.

[John Gabris]

How do they.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

It's Almost like this.

[John Gabris]

How do they know how many numbers?

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

I don't.

[John Gabris]

It's always five, nine people.

[Adam Pally]

Where do you get to.

[John Gabris]

How do you know there's not ten. How do you know not ten rings?

[Adam Pally]

We found a sixth level of soul.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

There's another thing that's. That's more than that. There's, you know, 10 level. There's all.

[John Gabris]

But how do we. What if I. Yeah, what if I.

[Adam Pally]

It's just ways. We love to order things.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

So the way our brain understands things, you know, but there are.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Numerology is a big part of Kabbalah. So it's all about numbers. So there's some significance to all numbers. Everything. Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

But you. You understand that the mind is more. Or the soul, the. Whatever this is, is more powerful than.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

You have no idea.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. That's when it starts to explain, like, explain the unexplainable in a way.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Right?

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

And all psychedelics do is just like, dim the. The mind so you can actually access some of this deeper part of ourselves.

[Adam Pally]

I did. I haven't talked about this on the pod yet. I may, and I've talked to you personally about it, but I did a guided. With a therapist, psychologist. I did a guided psilocybin experience. A plant medicine trip.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Right.

[Adam Pally]

And I met my. I hung out with three versions of myself. Three inner, like, inner children of different ages. And I got to meet them all.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Right.

[Adam Pally]

And I was in my childhood basement, Right. And I was engaging with all them. And I unlocked a ton of stuff that I'm not gonna talk about on the podcast, but just I learned so much about my ethos and how I go through life and, like, what's working for me and what was not working for me and how something that used to work for me for one of the young ones, as he got older, it didn't. It was harnessed in the wrong way. And then now as an adult, it's like a problem for me. And it was just a crazy. And as we're having this conversation, I'm like, reminder, message the woman and get another appointment, because I'm now going to some more social.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

It's not about suppression now. You know, mental health today is all about suppression. I have emotions. They're feeling, they're bad. We pathologize the emotions, and then we say, okay, this is a disease. You have major depressive disorder. You have general anxiety disorder, you have ptsd. And we do. We create a disease out of it, and then we give you a drug to suppress it, to treat it. To take away the chemical imbalance in your brain, which is a bunch of bullshit.

[Adam Pally]

To not process it, but to.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

We just put it aside for tomorrow and there's a place for those medicines. There's no, I'm not saying that there's none, but we don't want to stain it. It's like pain, you know, Someone break a bone and there's pain. The pain is not a bad thing. It's just letting you know, hey, there's a broken bone. There's a bone out of alignment. Fix it. We can load people up with pain medications and they're going to, you know, you'll need more and more of it and not deal with the broken bone. Or we could say, okay, you take a little pain medication, you know, get into the doc, put a cast on, let the bone heal with time, and then the pain's no longer necessary. Depression, all of our emotions are there. They're messengers of a psychospiritual misalignment. I call that misalignment between what this AI system is telling us. Us and our essence is telling us, you know, and, and when they're not living in alignment, that's when things. That's when the emotions come in. They're messengers letting you know, hey there.

[John Gabris]

What happens, what happens when your mind is wrong?

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Right? It often is.

[John Gabris]

Well, no, before the mind, what do you say, like when you grab one of these experiences, but maybe like, let's call it a bad trip or. Right, let's call it a bad. Well, well, okay. So like that's.

[Adam Pally]

Now that is a real heads mantra.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah. I don't believe in bad experiences. It's only badly processed. So when the set and setting is impro and you're running around doing lsd. Friends.

[John Gabris]

Well, yeah, okay, so like I, I, like in college, I. One night with a bunch of friends took a bunch of mushrooms and was watching Shrek.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

And one of my buddies on the couch stood up and screamed that I was a Jewish devil. And then he ran into the woods and then the cops brought him in the next morning. And like, like he was, he's. He, he, he. Like what was so horrible? It was a horrible right thing. And like he then went into a left school and went into like a fundamentalist church. Right. Like is that good for him?

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

No, that's, that's when you do it in an unprocessed way. You don't know what can trigger. You have to be careful. Yeah. Shrek, I mean that was his.

[Adam Pally]

Trust me.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

That was his set and setting. With Shrek.

[Adam Pally]

I mean, I blame dog.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

I don't know.

[John Gabris]

But, like, I was having a great time, you know, and, like, was chilling. I'm like. My other friends were fine.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

That was inside of him. Hey, that was right before the plant didn't teach.

[Adam Pally]

The plant showed him that he has had it. Yeah.

[John Gabris]

Right.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

So that's better.

[John Gabris]

Just get it out. Like a pimple.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Get it out. Yeah, that's what it is. So it could have been processed and if he would have had someone, he could have addressed that. Maybe he wouldn't have run and done. When he. Who knows. That was what he was meant to do.

[John Gabris]

Anything in the woods. He just wandered through the desert all night and came back with, like, cactus. Yeah. In his arms and stuff. It's like.

[Adam Pally]

But that's what kind of worst kind of vision quest.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Goes off and comes back just a worse guy.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, terrible. It's like this. My. A great buddy of mine. And then all of a sudden, the middle of Shrek stood up and is like, Jews are the devil. You gave me this medicine and ran into the woods.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

It can be very. You can make you. Yeah. When you don't do it. And that's why we have therapists. You know, we see the. You know, see our. Our patients before and after each trip. So we help process. So even a difficult experience, you turn it around, you could it.

[Adam Pally]

Well, also, like, you guys titrating dosages.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

In a better way using in a very controlled way, four caps and two stands. And we do it through the iv. You know, I was sick. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[John Gabris]

Can I get a NAT in there too?

[Adam Pally]

I'll take electrolytes, psilocybin, do a candy flip.

[John Gabris]

Botox. Me at the same time.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

I always had a vision at the dentist. I think that, like, set me right with, like, some. I was. I was. Yeah. I was like, having the mask on and I hadn't. It was like, recent. I had recently had a child and I was not sleeping right. And I like, dragged myself to the dentist on no sleep and sat in the chair and they're like, oh, we're gonna have to. I had like a. We're gonna put a filling in her. So they gave me the shot of Novocaine and then they put the gas and nitrous oxide gas in, and I was just like. Like, gone. And I had this sense, you know, everyone comes you. You met three versions of yourself. I had the sense that, like, there's different dimensions and we're all just like, you know. Yeah, this is this way My life could have gone, but my life could have gone that way. And there's a version of me that went that way. Like everybody, you know, well, this is.

[Adam Pally]

You're touching on something that I'd love. We'll get finish that in a second. But you're touching on something. It is crazy how much we have in common when we do engage with the plant.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Absolutely.

[Adam Pally]

It really set.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

It means something more that so many trip.

[John Gabris]

That's a great point.

[Adam Pally]

Trips. I'm using it colloquially, but so many trips are so similar because that just means that whenever this higher vision that everyone's experiencing to me, it just validates it slightly more.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

It's all connected. We're all connected. It's sort of an illusion that we're separate.

[John Gabris]

No, I mean, but there is an element. I don't believe. Look, I believe in a lot of this stuff and I understand the idea of the human experience is tethered. We're all experiencing the same thing and no one knows where we're going and whatever. But I do think that, that, that like, yes, we're all experiencing the same. The same thing, but we're also all like. There's not many options. You know what I mean? Like, you're, you're, you're right, you're. You're going to be like. It's either like the three versions of myself, the sliding doors, dimensions, the like. Like it's all around the same kind of. Right.

[Adam Pally]

But like, you'll hear from like people who do DMT that they are all, all. They all engage with like they are on the edge of a universe looking into another. Like, the idea that there's so many parallels in these hallucinations. The idea that people have similar paralysis sleep demons, that there's.

[John Gabris]

Is that true?

[Adam Pally]

Like, people see the man in the hat and it doesn't know like chicken or egg, what came first. Someone told them that, and then it's in your head that that's the thing or whatever. But it. These kind of subconscious similarities to me really, really excite me. It intrigued me in a way where it's like. Like we may be from like six different walks of life, but when we engage with the plant, all of a sudden we're all experiencing something similar as. Almost as if this thing that we're.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Experiencing, there's a similarity. You see that and you're just getting out of your way.

[John Gabris]

That's a party with you guys.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah, this.

[John Gabris]

I got a party with you guys.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

You'd have fun.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, I got to open it up.

[Adam Pally]

Bring your flowy pants. Let's go.

[John Gabris]

Dude, I got the whole wardrobe. I got a robe. I know exactly what to wear.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah, really nice.

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[E]

Hey Kristen, how's it tracking with Carvana Value Tracker?

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

What else?

[E]

Oh, it's tracking, in fact. Value surge alert. Trucks up 2.5%, vans down 1.7.

[John Gabris]

Just as predicted. So we gonna.

[E]

I don't know. Could sell.

[John Gabris]

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[E]

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[Adam Pally]

When do you start enacting this as a practice?

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

As a practice. When did I start to do this?

[Adam Pally]

You personally or you as a administering.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

So I started doing these things and did various different psychedelics, plant medicine and then over Covid.

[John Gabris]

Can I ask you a slight question there now there was always a stigma when I was a kid. It's like you can only take mushrooms six times or else you'll be done, you know, you'll never come back. Now I'm way past that.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

What's the number? Is there a number?

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

It's like for ketamine or for what I do or in general?

[John Gabris]

In general, I think you have to.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Be careful not to overdo it. You can overdo it, right? Do when you call when it calls you. I call it when it calls you. When you start to look at it becomes a crutch. So I need to do this to be happy to go out. That's a problem? Yeah, that's a problem. You don't. You don't need to do this to be or anything.

[John Gabris]

And a true plant, that's not. That doesn't have like addictive traces. Like addictive.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

But you know, you become like. You become Dependent. Like I need something outside of myself to be happy.

[John Gabris]

Right.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

That's a problem.

[John Gabris]

Any emperor. Any. Any. Yeah, kind of.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

You want to use it to find the answers within yourself. You have all the happiness we have. Everything we need. All the answers are already there. We just need to be. This thing, this AI system, I call it an AI system, is here to protect, but this thing is here only to keep you physically alive in this world. That's its only job up, you know, and it does so creates patterns throughout our life. All the traumas and all that get programmed into this, like, operating system, and we never update it, you know, so we're living through life, and that's how we see the world. What's safe, what's not. And that. What the ketamine does, is it actually. Or these psychedelics. All the psychedelics is they lower. They decrease the influence of this and allows us to access something deeper and a more. A different point of view that goes beyond just this.

[Adam Pally]

Look forward to me using the expression time to update the os.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

It is, but that's what it does.

[Adam Pally]

I'm gonna be saying that right as I pop a chalky.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah. We call it neuroplasticity, you know, so it decreases. It loosens up the wiring between. Well, between our memories. It learns. This thing works in patterns, so it creates. It connects memories to emotions. So things that would, like, look like something that was scary. A parent abuses a child. If my parent did that, all these other people, anyone can trigger that. So it triggers me into sort of walling myself off. So I don't engage with the world and I start to, you know, that's where the emotions come in. What this does is it opens things up. It opens up those connections so things don't trigger you as much. You have a little bit of time.

[John Gabris]

A buffer.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

A buffer. So you said, like, we do have choice. What we do have. Sometimes we don't have choice in what's presented to us in the world, but we have free will in how we see what's presented to us. We have free will. How do I want to look at this and how do I want to engage with it and respond to it it and see it. That we have full free will. And that's what it's all about. That's what psychedelics are about to say. You do have choice. And. And it's, you know, 10 different people look at the same situation in 10 different ways. What do you want? I don't want to, you know, and I want to choose how I want to See, not based on my mother saw it or what. How or this person who.

[Adam Pally]

Or what the patterns are.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

The bully or whatever it is. I want to see it from the way where I am today and the way I choose it gives you back that free will. Will. That's what it's about. Wow. That's what it's about.

[John Gabris]

Very powerful. I mean, very.

[Adam Pally]

I just talking about it has got. Is like.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Getting my brain excited.

[John Gabris]

Back to the original question, like, how does it. What makes the turn to professional use?

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Right?

[John Gabris]

Like, when do you go? Like, I'm gonna do this. Do this. I'm gonna give it to a patient, I'm gonna give it to myself. Like, what?

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

So this happened over Covid. You know, someone approached me, someone I met in that world, said, hey, I'm gonna open up a psychedelic wellness center. I need a doctor just to help administer it, you know, and to make sure we're doing it in a safe way.

[John Gabris]

To do the practice.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

To do the practice. A practical IV with using ketamine.

[John Gabris]

Are you good with the IV?

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

I could put in IVs. I'm very good, but I don't put in the IVs.

[John Gabris]

But you have a nurse.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah, yeah, we have people who do that. But I. I terrible with the. I'm actually pretty good at it.

[Adam Pally]

But my mom, brother and sister in law are all nurses.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, nurses are so much better.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

They're amazing.

[Adam Pally]

And they'll. And they'll say like, we can't even do this. Yeah, they love this.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Usually. No, you don't want a doctor drawing.

[John Gabris]

No, my sister put. Is a. Is a nurse and will put an IV in me and I don't even know it's there. Stitch me up. My dad, I got scars all over from my dad being like, I'll stitch you up.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah, don't worry. I'm like, I'm not going to the doctor. Glue it.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. You stitch me at home.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah. Oh, wow.

[John Gabris]

It was awful. Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

We had a surgeon.

[John Gabris]

We had a surgeon on my rugby 80s.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah, he did that type of thing.

[Adam Pally]

We had a surgeon on the rugby team who brought a stapler and would staple people on the side of the.

[John Gabris]

P. My dad went to Time. I was a counselor at a day camp. And I sat back and put my hand on a, like the, you know, the. It was like wood board that you would write on. It had a little metal clip.

[Adam Pally]

Oh, yeah.

[John Gabris]

And I sliced my hand open on the metal part. And my dad's practice was like three minutes from the day camp. And he didn't Want me to leave work? So on his lunch break, he drove over with the Novocaine shot. Yeah, he, like, cleaned it in the bathroom, put the Novocaine shot and stitched me up in the bathroom and then went back to work.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

And you went back.

[John Gabris]

And I went back. And more importantly, it was big. Huge.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah. Okay.

[John Gabris]

Enormous. And the whole time I was like, are you sure you know what you're doing? Like, an kid that's like. He went to medical school, dad, the.

[Adam Pally]

Jewish one, just about to say the same thing. He got nervous about saying that there.

[John Gabris]

Was no Asians in your school.

[Adam Pally]

That's not a medical school in my book. No South Asians.

[John Gabris]

I'm out.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

So over Covid. We knew it was gonna be a big issue, and he opened up a center. So I joined this center, and I started doing it. I only did it part time. I was still working, doing the Goldman thing. I still had my own private practice. And then I saw how well it was working. Much better than I expected for these people who came in with severe mental.

[John Gabris]

And they come in, they'd be like, oh, my God, I don't know what's wrong with me, but I am keyed up, and I have a bunch of business ideas. And you're like, slow down.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

You need to. Yes, exactly. Walk into the chair. And then we. So we do. And we did it in these protocols, and I saw how people were. I mean, you saw someone walk in and walk out, and. I mean, a different person. Different person.

[Adam Pally]

I've. I've heard this from my friends who. Who've done the ketamine therapy. Now, that is one drug that I've only done once, and it was, you know, set setting was like, motel room.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

It's very different drug. It's a completely different drug.

[John Gabris]

Once. And like. Like, almost went blind.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. Is that what it's called, like, for real?

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

No, that's like. You know, when you do ketamine, you people snort it up their nose on a dance floor in the middle of, you know, in a club or something. And you do too much, you go into sort of a very immersive experience, and it's a little weird, you know.

[John Gabris]

Let'S just say it's going to be a digestive.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

And I didn't realize what I was doing, and I ended up being like, this feels weird. Why am I seeing everything on a slant? Oh, my God, I'm blind.

[Adam Pally]

My one experience was like, do you want. I don't want to do coke. No, thank you. Like, it's not Coke. It's ketamine. I was like, oh, okay. I was like, I don't want to do this. I did this. I know I did it wrong. I feel like I did it.

[John Gabris]

That was the only time I did it, and I have never even thought about it again.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Very different. It's a completely different drug when you do it in small amounts and when you do it through the iv. Completely different situation when you do it in. You know, with an IV and, you know, with doctors and therapists seeing you before and afterwards.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

And you put an eye mask on. You put some nice music. We have, like, 12 different playlists.

[John Gabris]

I have to.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

You go into. It's called synesthesia. We actually see the music.

[John Gabris]

It's really has. Right.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Deep thing.

[John Gabris]

Pharrell has that all the time.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Synesthesia. Some people do have.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, some people have that as like, a full. Some people have that, or some people can, like, smell colors and stuff like that.

[John Gabris]

I feel like I have that.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

But under the influence of these psychedelics. You do. That's what happens. It's sort of. It decouples the way the brain function. The way the brain. Brain processes things. It opens things up. See? And it's all about seeing things from another perspective. Seeing music from another perspective rather than just hearing it.

[John Gabris]

Hell, yeah.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

And you take that into your life, and you start to see things and hear things from another perspective.

[John Gabris]

So. So you are fish or the dead.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

What do you like? It's pretty boring.

[Adam Pally]

I'm a pretty boring gay.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

I used to be more exciting.

[John Gabris]

Sound real.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

We don't do mushrooms.

[John Gabris]

I'm getting around. But if you. Wait, but. So what kind of music do you listen to?

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

What kind of m. Music? Everything. I don't have any specific.

[John Gabris]

Are you, like a Paul Simon guy? Are you, like. No, no.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

More like modern. Yeah, like Madonna. You know, I used to work with.

[John Gabris]

So we put on, like, a Madonna.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

We.

[John Gabris]

We.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That we use, like, more like spiritual Kundalini music. Like, music that's more spirit. Prayer would freak you out.

[John Gabris]

Like. Oh, boy.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

No, no, no, no. It's music. You wouldn't listen.

[John Gabris]

I'll be like, I know. I'm trying to figure that out.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

We do. Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

We're not well versed in. In the. In ketamine. So could you talk us a little bit through, like, what that does for the.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

So it does the brain.

[John Gabris]

So.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

So decouples. So when people come in, they. You know, we. We do a lot of work before, you know, make sure they feel comfortable. They're prepared for it.

[John Gabris]

I've already done that.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah, you've done that. So, you know, they're lying in their chair, you know, ready to go. We could put the eye mask. We put up the drip and they ease into this one hour. It's a one hour drip, you know, and. And in the experience, they start to see. After about a song or two, they start to see the music. And there's a variability. There's some intention in the music we choose. So some of these music, the music will inhibit. It will. Will create these unbelievably multi dimensional things that you cannot understand. And that's the point. You feel emotions, so you feel things. You know, some of it will be like, I can't believe I'm seeing this. This is the most incredible thing I've ever seen. And some of it will. Will be, you know, a little scary. This is so weird. I don't like this. And as a song, one song, you know, fades out, the next song fades in. In that transition, everything dissolves and then the next thing comes in and it's like life. You know, you have these like. Every song brings a different experience and it's wild. Remember it.

[Adam Pally]

You could almost argue that what you're doing is song therapy. You know what I mean? And then it's like music.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

The music is a huge part of it. It's just as important as the.

[John Gabris]

Kevin or puke.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Puke. Yeah. They. Well, we give them medicine to prevent the puking. So we do. But people do. We give them Zofran at the beginning.

[John Gabris]

Okay.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

We can give them. Some of them. Give you these, you know, those copolamine passion.

[John Gabris]

People's the real.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Not with motion sickness, actually.

[Adam Pally]

You got to do the drama.

[John Gabris]

But I do get like, oftentimes in my. In my experience with psychedelic, I throw up.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah. So you. If you take a little meclazine before.

[John Gabris]

Okay.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Which will work, you know, you'll be okay. Dramamine. We give Zofran. So we do, you know, and some people need more than others, but because the problem is in the journey, you're moving. It's like you're. You're on a journey. It's crazy.

[John Gabris]

Always what makes me throw up? It's like, it's always the fact that you're like, you like, sit down. You're like.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

But your inner ear isn't sensing movement, but your brain saying, you're moving. It's like on a boat. You know, you're in a boat and the boat's moving, but your eyes are saying, you're not moving, but, like, it's confusing. Vertigo.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. We're like, back to, like, the Universal Studios ride, where you just go like this, but exactly.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, it's back.

[Adam Pally]

When I saw the Eagles. When I saw the Eagles at the Sphere on some plant medicine. There's a moment where, like, the perspective shifts, and I had to grab onto my chair because I thought I was gonna fall onto the stage.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

It felt like I was like, I would love to.

[Adam Pally]

I want to be in town for three weeks and do the full. Do the full run.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

It's a really deep. It's the deepest, most incredible experience. And we. And everyone that works for us, we make the people who work there, from the person at the front desk, all the nurses go through the treatments. So.

[John Gabris]

Whoa. Yes.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

We know what we're putting people through. It's deep. It's very. And we escalate. So we start off at a low dose because it's a lot, and then we escalate the dose each time.

[Adam Pally]

Third week, you come in.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Oh, yeah, you're coming. You're getting a very deep.

[John Gabris]

Do you ever feel ethically, you know, like. Like, do you watch Severance?

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

Do you ever feel ethic. First of all, you look like an older Adam Scott.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Oh, really?

[John Gabris]

Secondly. Secondly, do you ever feel ethically a little bit, like. Because there's, like, a lumen aspect where it's like, you're taking away people's pain, but they're cheating.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

We're not taking away their pain. We're letting them see it from another perspective. We're not taking away their pain. As I load them up with antidepressants and give them Abilify and all these antipsychotics, and they're just dead. That's why I went into this. This is one of my patients to come to me. I send them to psychiatrists, and they come on, come back to me when, like, five different medications and they were dead. You look in their eyes, and there was darkness. I hope none of you are on bilify. It's one of my scare billify.

[John Gabris]

No, but I am on medication.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Some of them.

[John Gabris]

Do you see darkness in me? No.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

You look great.

[John Gabris]

Okay, great.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Because I think I've seen it.

[Adam Pally]

It's not, but it shows up every.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Once in a while. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with medications at all, but. But, you know, when you start to see things, you can. You don't have to be on them your whole life. They were never. They were never studied to be on. Be used for Long periods of wow.

[John Gabris]

Because I've been on my antidepressant for.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

I know most people.

[John Gabris]

10 years.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah. If it's not fixed, just leave it. That's what the psychiatrist. No, no, no, I'm not saying that. But that's what they tell you. But you should, if you want to leave it, leave it. I'm not saying to, to run and you should never just stop.

[John Gabris]

No, no, no. I've had a friend. Not at all.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

And then many people, most of the people come to see us are on medications and they don't have to. That's the nice thing about ketamine. You don't have to come off your meds. You know, with other psychedelics, it's not great to do them while you're on these medications. They can interfere fear. But with ketamine you can be on those meds.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. Because there's something to like the rewiring of your neural pathways that messes up with SSRIs.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah, SSRI. And also you can get a too much serotonin with like something like mdma.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

You can get a dangerous. Called a serotonin syndrome. Massive release with, with mdma, it causes a massive release of serotonin. If you're taking an ssri, serotonin reuptake inhibitor. There's already a lot of serotonin in the, in the, then brain, whatever. In the synapse, whatever. I won't get into details of that.

[John Gabris]

No, no, it's fine.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

So then you get a massive release of serotonin and it just, there's, it floods the brain with too much and you can have a syndrome where people go and flush. It could be dangerous. So you have to be careful. Anyone on, on those medications, you should, you should be careful doing MDMA or ecstasy or whatever.

[Adam Pally]

I recently was at a party where I was given a gummy that was psilocybin and MDA in one. It was called flip gummy and.

[John Gabris]

Whoa.

[Adam Pally]

And the dose was two parties.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

La. It's only, only in la. Only in la.

[Adam Pally]

Not to rat anyone out. But this was actually on Li.

[John Gabris]

Long island.

[Adam Pally]

So I, I, I took half the dose, half the recommended dose. And the vibes were stellar.

[John Gabris]

Really?

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. Just a little micro dose of both and it, it really. Yeah, I, I mean, candy flipping was something like you only heard about.

[John Gabris]

I mean, I. Look, we can get into all our greatest stories.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Stuff. Yeah, stuff I've done too. But when you do it in a proper set, it really is therapeutic.

[John Gabris]

It's therapeutic. I mean, everybody has had that experience or not everybody. People who have taken psychedelics, where you, you take them with your friends or mostly with your friends.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Right.

[John Gabris]

And it, and you have a great time.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Right.

[John Gabris]

And you wake up the next morning feeling great.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

So great. Yeah.

[John Gabris]

And that's the difference between like a night of drinking or. You know what I mean? Like, there's a certain, like, we've gone through this, we've gone through this journey together of whatever it was. And also my dopamine levels and everything.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Very different.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Because, you know, you know, alcohol, it feeds the ego. People get angry. People get. It feeds this thing where psychedelics, it actually inhibits this thing. It dims it and allows you more access to the woo part of ours. Yeah. So something more. So you're not, you're not escaping from anything. You're going into it. And that's why we feel good. Whenever you're escaping your, like, you're not, you don't, you don't earn it. It's like an unearned happiness, you know?

[John Gabris]

Right.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Where I think psychedelics and, and mushrooms don't always give you a good experience. Sometimes it can be really. They're not always. They can be really difficult.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

It's not about, it's not about suppressing anything. Mushrooms are about expressing.

[John Gabris]

Right.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

And when we express, we let things out, we feel the emotions. You feel good when you're just numbing everything.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

You're just saying, hey, I'll deal with it tomorrow. You're, you know, and then you have to pay it back the next day. So I had fun today. Now I have to, I'm hungover, I feel horrible. And now you have to earn all that, that good time you had yesterday. Psychedelics.

[John Gabris]

Dr. It also, it also leaves you with that thing like, which I'm, I'm experiencing more and more now as I get older, which is probably due to the, the amount that I've had as a child, as a, as a kid, the amount of alcohol I've drank over my life. But also, just as I get older, my brain changes, which is like, if I go out for a night of drinking, the next day, day, it's not just hungover, it's like depressed.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. We call, they call that hangxiety.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. I get anxiety now that I couldn't even dream of having five, 10 years ago.

[Adam Pally]

I used to previously only experience anxiety when it was like, I was blacked out last night. What did I do? Yes, now I get it. Now I just get it. If I, I know everything that happened last night, but now I'm just like, well, I feel so bad.

[John Gabris]

Oh, yeah. It's like, oh, I. I know I was being too much at that table or. You know what I mean? It's like you start to micromanage your. Your night, and then you're like, and these people hate me and these people. And you're.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. Your body just feels like. You feel the anxiety.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you feel just a mess.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Right. I mean, we use. We use psychedelic. We use ketamine to treat addiction. It's the most. Our best results are with that. You know, it's about. It's because it's the anti. It's the. It's the antidote to escapism. That's what it is. It's about going in. You're not escaping from. When you're sitting there doing the psychedelic. This ketamine treatment, you are not escaping from anything. It's work. Like, you're lying there. You're doing one on one.

[John Gabris]

Or do you do it like when we go together? Or would you do it one on, like, one on one?

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Everyone's in their own room.

[John Gabris]

Oh, okay.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

We did do groups. We did a few groups which were amazing. We did intramuscular, so we did a shot in the arm. And we did this integration together with people. A bunch of people with PTSD and whatever, you know, these trauma. So we integrated together. It was amazing. I think that's the future of psychedelics and that garden. Yeah.

[John Gabris]

Like a joint experience.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Joint experience. And then group therapy. Like group therapy. You work with each other, you feed, you learn from each other, and it's. And, you know, you're not alone, you know, And I think that's also an amazing way of using these treatments.

[Adam Pally]

Well, this is a sort of newish frontier, and we hope that, you know, the stigma around, you know, class one narcotic and all that shit, we hope that goes away so that we can really go into the research on.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Right.

[Adam Pally]

Because this could be a wonderful thing for people struggling with addiction and PTSD in particular. And those are two conditions that you can kind of articulate to the common person. Like, this works on these things that a lot of people are dealing with.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Right. And they're not sick. You know, we. We'd label someone who's an alcoholic. Oh, you're. You're an alcoholic. This is a disease. It's not a disease. It's a form of coping. Often we learn it from our family and whatnot, or our environment. But you're not. There's a way out of. You do not have to suffer with this. And there's a lot of shame involved, even with depression, with alcohol. You're an alcoholic. This is who I am. So when I don't drink, I'm not being myself? No, you're not. You're not. You're not an alcoholic. You're a beautiful human being who's using alcohol to cope. That it is. And I have an issue, and that's where I really. I try and move people out of this. All this shame, the stuckness, this genetic. They've done studies trying to find a genetic component to some of these mental health issues like depression. The National Institute of Mental Health spent over, I think, $20 billion. I don't even know what. And they admitted. The guy who was in charge of this program. Program to try and find the gene for mental health. They found nothing. They spent $20 million. They found nothing. There's no gene for the.

[John Gabris]

You're not genetically disposed.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

I don't believe it. I think you're like, nurture.

[Adam Pally]

Nurture comes in.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

There might be some predisposition to certain things. Schizophrenia. So there might be some.

[John Gabris]

That was going to be my.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

So I don't. That we don't know.

[John Gabris]

There is like. Do you ever treat schizophrenia?

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Bipolar? That's one of the. So schizophrenia is one of the contraindications. Someone who's had a psychotic episode in the past, we would not treat them because it could trigger it. It wouldn't cause the schizophrenia, but it could unearth it. It could bring it to its forefront. So we do treat bipolar disease. People who are stuck in that depressive state, it helps bring them in. Sometimes they could go into the manic state stage, but we would work with their psychiatrists and there's medicines you can use to bring them back down. And it works incredibly well with those people. I've treated many people with that. So it wouldn't be a contraindication. I wouldn't treat a bipolar person who's doing really well. Hey, I want to try this. Because it could. People who have that. It could trigger into mania if they're not on treatment before.

[Adam Pally]

Before we get out. Let you out of here. Let you out of here before. Before you head out and you don't.

[John Gabris]

Have any mushrooms or kemi on you.

[Adam Pally]

And people who are watching the YouTube video right now, Adam's asked him 12 times off camera as well.

[John Gabris]

I cover all the bases.

[Adam Pally]

If someone watching this or listening to this was interested in potentially pursuing this, wherever they may be, what would you recommend their steps be like? Obviously, they're not. Don't just do mushrooms and.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

No, I think.

[Adam Pally]

I think Floyd in your house. But.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

But listen, I can't tell people what to do or what not to do. You know, don't put on track. Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Or don't watch it with a Jewish guy.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah, exactly.

[John Gabris]

Look, if you don't want to hear my commentary.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

This is similar to the five stages of the Kabbalah. Yeah.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

No, but, yeah, you find, you know, I think it's important to do this with intention. I think it really makes a big difference. So I'm not going to tell people what to do recreationally, but I think it's a completely different drug. When you do it in a proper set and setting, it can be very helpful. When you do it outside, you have to. There's risks. Like what happened with that guy. I mean, you don't know if one person's freaking out and you're on, you know, people are on LSD or one of these things. It's very scary.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

I mean, it's really. Can be very deep. Yeah.

[John Gabris]

I mean, I think we're. I think the three of us are going to have an amazing time.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

I'm looking forward to it.

[John Gabris]

I think we're going to have an amazing show.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah. So people, you know, interested. We have Neushama. You know, we. Neushama.com come.

[Adam Pally]

Yes, yes, please.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah. No, no. We, you know, we have a great center. We're one of the biggest, I think, in the world here in New York. In. Here in New York, in midtown Manhattan, you go right in and hopefully opening up other centers. So. But we do great work. We use, you know, integration coaches. It's a lot of set and setting. The place is beautiful.

[John Gabris]

Well, you have two new patients.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

I love what I do. I love what I do, and I really believe in what I do.

[Adam Pally]

The next time I'm going to be in New York for over three weeks, I'm gonna come visit.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Please.

[John Gabris]

And I'm setting mine up.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

As soon as this wraps and I'm bringing my father.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah. Oh, I'd love to meet your father.

[John Gabris]

My unique.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

I'm prescribing you to my dad.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yes.

[John Gabris]

For all the prescriptions he's given to me, I can prescribe you to my dad. It's been a true pleasure, Dr. Ra.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Thanks for having me.

[John Gabris]

You are a friend of the POD for life. And don't be surprised if we don't call you up and ask you, like, gentlemen general questions anytime about everything. Yeah.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

I love this stuff. I'm. I really Believe in it. And I've seen a lot of them and I. And I've taken care of some bad trips that have turned into the most amazing growth experience. Growth experiences ever. Some of the. The difficult ones with us are the. Are the most clinically beneficial.

[John Gabris]

And I love, I think one of the things I love the most is that you seem to really. This. You're doing this to help people.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

And that you can tell, like that's why doctors are amazing.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

You know, and like I joke about my dad all the time. Like, that's one of the things that I admire the most about him is that his only thing is to like, save people.

[Adam Pally]

To make people feel better.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. And keep them alive. And like.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

You're taking that even one step further, which is like, to make them feel whole. Yeah.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

And live. Live more with more balance, more wholeness in this world. And you don't have to suffer. That's my main thing. We don't come in this world to suffer or be punished. And there's an option. There's always. If you have a problem, there's a. The solution. I believe this is a Kabbalah thing. The solution existed before the problem. The problem is only there for us to do the work to get to the solution. That's it. And I've seen it every single time. And everyone who comes to see me, you can see right through it. I see it.

[Adam Pally]

I can't stop thinking about the thing you said earlier about making sure you put the good energy back out there in the world too, because that would then make room for good energy.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Exactly. It's called spiritual hurt herd immunity. So when people are in a better place, the person not bangs into on the street, you're not going to sit there and yell at them. Maybe that person's running, their mother just died and they're running to the hospital and you're going to go start yelling at this person because they bumped into you. No. I'm like, now when you're in this place, I start to see through those things and look at the positive. And when you start to do that, it just creates more.

[Adam Pally]

And this is all possible in Midtown, man.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

In Midtown. It's the best place to do it. You know, if you could do it here, you could do it anywhere.

[John Gabris]

I love everything you're saying because I believe in spiritual herd immunity. Because I'm a spiritual anti vaxxer.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah. Yeah.

[John Gabris]

So I think that that's kind of the only way.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

For us all to get better.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Good. For rfk. You like, you like your buddies.

[John Gabris]

I like spiritual rfk.

[Adam Pally]

Make sure you do your ketamine therapy.

[John Gabris]

I was also spiritually there on January 6th.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Yeah, exactly. I bet, I bet, I bet.

[Adam Pally]

Thank you so much. Thank you.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Hopeful help some people out there, that's all. That's why I do these things right here.

[Adam Pally]

And if you live. If you live in New York and are interested, the link will be in the show notes. And if you don't live in New York, maybe I'm happy to visit for three weeks. Just for the k. The.

[John Gabris]

Everyone should live here for a little.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

We have someone come from New Zealand, Norway, come to see it because they can't do it in these countries. So. Yeah, we've had some people come from far away.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. And soon we'll be going there because we can't live here anymore.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. Because this will be underwater.

[John Gabris]

Awesome. Thank you, doc.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

All right.

[Adam Pally]

Have a good one, buddy.

[Dr. Steven Radowitz]

Thanks for having me.

[Adam Pally]

For the listeners, Adam and I are both here with blindfolds on ketamine drips in wrapping up this wonderful episode with Dr. Steven Rad.

[John Gabris]

God there. I didn't even know the term ketamine drip, and now it's all I want.

[Adam Pally]

Oh, I know. I'm familiar with the drip. That's not that kind.

[John Gabris]

It seems like usually that kind of drip makes me a little nauseous.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, that drip's got me hockey. We should use this opportunity to say don't forget to buy the stay alive.

[John Gabris]

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[Adam Pally]

To the moon.

[John Gabris]

Our digital meme is of us pointing at hawk to, like, the spider man meme.

[Adam Pally]

It's up to 6 cents a coin now. We're doing great. Get on board. Staying alive heads. We need a name for our listeners. The show's not even out yet. We're like, we need a name for our listeners.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, well, staying alive heads is not.

[Adam Pally]

No, that's too many words, too long.

[John Gabris]

It would need delivers the livers. That sounds like your liver.

[Adam Pally]

Oh, yeah, that doesn't work either.

[John Gabris]

It also sounds like a cult.

[Adam Pally]

We are the livers.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, I think. I mean, can I say this? Like, deadheads.

[Adam Pally]

That might be taken.

[John Gabris]

What a great episode. Steven rad. Steven rad. Is rad.

[Adam Pally]

Dude is rad.

[John Gabris]

Dude is rad.

[Adam Pally]

I mean, he came in and was like, a doctor and professional. We're like, we got to do this drugs with you, man. He's like, oh, no, It's a real thing.

[John Gabris]

And he clearly has dealt with people that. That have come in, and they're like, we want to do drugs.

[Adam Pally]

We love.

[John Gabris]

We love drugs. And he's like, yeah, let's. Let's talk about your child.

[Adam Pally]

Let's engage with your child.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. And you're like, do the drugs. Well, have you ever heard the term latchkey?

[Adam Pally]

Well, Ad Adam, hopefully I'll see you next week.

[John Gabris]

I hope so, too. I bet we will.

[Adam Pally]

The only way to do it, though, is stay alive. You have been listening to Staying Alive with John Gabris and Adam Pally. A Smartless Media production in association with.

[John Gabris]

Sirius XM Produced by Devin Tory Bryant and Anne Harris. Edited and engineered by Devin Tory Bryant.

[Adam Pally]

Associate producer and video producer is Maddie McCann. Social media producer Tommy Galgano.

[John Gabris]

Assistant engineer Kyle McGraw. Special thanks to Jared O'Connell at Sirius.

[Adam Pally]

XM, executive producers are John Gabris.

[John Gabris]

Ooh, me.

[Adam Pally]

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[John Gabris]

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[Adam Pally]

Don't reach out to us.

[John Gabris]

See us on the street. Walk the other way or you'll catch hands.

[Adam Pally]

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