That’s So Pluto (w/ Aliza Kelly)

Summary

Staying Alive with Jon Gabrus & Adam Pally

Episode: That’s So Pluto (w/ Aliza Kelly)
Air Date: January 22, 2026
Podcast Network: SmartLess Media
Guest: Aliza Kelly, astrologer, author, and host

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Episode Overview

In this episode, comedians and best friends Jon Gabrus and Adam Pally sit down with renowned astrologer Aliza Kelly to dive deep into their personal birth charts and explore the meaning and relevance of astrology—especially for two self-declared “straight dudes” who don’t fit astrology’s stereotypical demographic. The discussion weaves together curiosity, skepticism, and raw honesty about how astrology can intersect with wellness, mental health, identity, and relationships. Aliza walks the hosts through the basics of astrology, breaks down their “big three” (Sun, Moon, Rising signs), and highlights how the personal and the cosmic interact.

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Key Themes & Discussion Points

1. Breaking Down Stereotypes Around Astrology

• Opening Jokes and Honesty:
  • Aliza is surprised (and a little amused) to be talking about astrology with “two maybe straight men,” as astrology conversations are not typical in male-dominated circles.
    “It is not every day that I'm sitting across from two maybe straight men talking about astrology.” – Aliza Kelly [00:48]
  • Adam and Jon discuss how astrology is often gendered and dismissed by men as “girl stuff,” poking fun at themselves for being atypically open.
    “It's very gendered, astrology. I'm kind of surprised by that.” – Adam Pally [03:35]

2. Astrology as a Tool for Wellness and Self-Knowledge

• Mental and Emotional Health:
  • The hosts connect astrology’s introspective nature to broader themes of staying alive, mental health, and self-improvement.
    “If it helps you in any way... that's the point of all of this, right?” – Adam Pally [02:18]
• Internet Culture vs. Depth:
  • Aliza distinguishes between “astrology-meme culture” online and deeper therapeutic, introspective astrology.
    “Astrology loves the Internet...but there's also very deep therapeutic work that we could do from astrology too.” – Aliza Kelly [07:21]

3. Astrology 101: Birth Charts Explained

• What is a Birth Chart?
  • Birth charts are cosmic “snapshots” of the sky at the moment and place of a person’s birth, affecting lifelong patterns and themes.
    “A birth chart is a snapshot of the sky at the exact moment that you were born... Every single event also has a birth chart.” – Aliza Kelly [08:59]
  • Events, buildings, even countries can have charts—the significance is the energies and zeitgeist of the moment.
• Astrological Practice Differences:
  • Aliza explains Tropical (Western) astrology as seasonally based, differing from other traditions (like Indian astrology).
    “It’s based on the Tropic of Cancer and Capricorn... the role of seasons.” – Aliza Kelly [13:48]

4. Chart Readings: Jon & Adam’s Birth Charts

• Birth Time Gaffe:
  • Both initially provided the same birth time—a clerical mix-up quickly corrected.
    “At first, you both gave me the same birth time... I was like, there is no way they're twinsies.” – Aliza Kelly [16:10]
• Big Three: Sun, Moon, Rising
  • Adam: Aquarius Sun, Sagittarius Rising, Aries Moon
    • Aquarius is the eccentric, future-thinking outsider; Sagittarius rising brings adventure and storytelling; Aries moon is fiery and reactive.
      “Sagittarius Rising are storytellers... Their whole perspective is: I gotta live life, learn everything, be on this quest for knowledge.” – Aliza Kelly [22:59] “Aquarius is the outsider... does things differently. So, you are marching to the beat of your own drum.” – Aliza Kelly [23:28] “Aries Moon is fiery. Intense. Burns fast and then it gets over things—but damage could be done.” – Aliza Kelly [30:07]
  • Jon: Pisces Sun, Pisces Rising, Capricorn Moon
    • Pisces is sensitive, existential, creative, boundary-blurring; Capricorn Moon brings structure, responsibility, and a tension with Pisces’ open-endedness.
      “Double Pisces is incredibly existential, sensitive... artistic, creative, but dreamy and can be escapist.” – Aliza Kelly [24:17] “Capricorn Moon is very strict, very serious, very responsible. Doesn't want to feel too much... So there's a push and pull.” – Aliza Kelly [25:10]
    • Jon relates to the open-wound feeling:
      “I walk around in my natural state, a bit of an open wound... feeling everybody’s everything a lot.” – John Gabris [26:34]

5. Family, Relationship, and Generation Patterns

• Both hosts explore how their signs and planetary placements relate to family patterns (“school of fish” for Jon’s Pisces-heavy family), romantic attraction (Adam’s history with Scorpios), and broader generational themes (“a lot of daddy stuff” from the era they were born).
  “Being born in 1982 is an interesting time... Reaganomics, AIDS epidemic...a lot of tension, a new era.” – Aliza Kelly [17:23]
• Aliza discusses how attraction to certain signs can signal unresolved themes from previous lives or “the past.”
  “Scorpio activates an area of your chart associated with past life... a magnetism, but often very difficult to navigate in this lifetime.” – Aliza Kelly [35:13]
• Overlaying charts (like birth with death charts) is possible and meaningful; Jon’s son being born around his mother’s death is seen as a “clearer version of the circle of life.”
  “You can look at how two people's charts relate to each other... Different people light up your chart in different ways.” – Aliza Kelly [46:51]

6. Astrology’s Structure and Chart Anatomy

• Chart as a Clock:
  • The birth chart is oriented like a clock, with planets and signs arrayed according to where they were relative to the earth at birth. Midday is “overhead,” and what’s “below the horizon” is under the earth.
    “You could look at it like a clock...12 o’clock is straight overhead...Six o’clock is beneath your feet.” – Aliza Kelly [33:09]
• Elements and Modalities:
  • Signs are categorized as cardinal (initiators), fixed (stabilizers), and mutable (changers), as well as earth, air, fire, water.
    “Cardinal is about initiation... Fixed keeps the lights running... Mutable is about transmutation.” – Aliza Kelly [39:27]
• Aspect Table:
  • This table charts the relationships between all planets—their angles reflect personality or life themes.
    “Every planet is in relation to all others...Venus (love), Mercury (communication), Pluto (transformation), etc.” – Aliza Kelly [43:01]

7. The Limits, Uses, and Cultural Energy of Astrology

• Hosts find comfort in the factual basis (“I was born at this time, at this place, that’s what the sky looked like”), even as interpretations vary. “In a time where everything, like, you don't know what's true and what's not, it's like I was born at this time at this place, and that's what the sky looked like.” – Jon Gabris [52:30]
• Aliza stresses astrology is about how two people are compatible, not yes/no destiny (and that astrology is a tool, not an answer). “It's not like, are you compatible, but how are you compatible?” – Aliza Kelly [47:43]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Skeptical, Self-Aware Humor:
  “I'm kind of informed on horoscopes just from living in Los Angeles, being friends with 40-year-old women.” – Adam Pally [01:30]
• On Sensitivity:
  “I walk around in my natural state, a bit of an open wound... can't often tell what is actually going on—mine versus the actual subtext.” – Jon Gabris [26:34]
• On Internet Astrology:
  “Astrology loves the Internet... if you're using it just to send your friend a meme, gorgeous. No notes, that's perfect. But if you're using it to try to find confidence or courage or unpack difficult things...we can do that also.” – Aliza Kelly [07:21]
• On Relationship Patterns:
  “I've only had, like, three or four girlfriends... all of them were Scorpios. That can't be a coincidence.” – Adam Pally [35:07] “Scorpio activates the area of your chart associated with past life...it’s a magnetism.” – Aliza Kelly [35:13]
• On the Meaning of Chart Overlay and Loss:
  “My first son was born very close to when [my mother] died and he's named after her...is that beautiful or did I fuck him up?” – Jon Gabris [45:26] “I don't think you see a clearer version of the circle of life than something like that.” – Adam Pally [45:40]
• Comedic Wrap:
  “Now fish follow you around.” – Adam Pally [37:52] “About anything that's gonna make sense of the way my life has turned out.” – Jon Gabris [49:54]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [00:48] – Aliza on astrology’s gender dynamics
• [08:59] – What is a birth chart?
• [16:10] – Birth time error and chart similarities
• [20:14] – Explanation of Sun, Moon, Rising
• [23:03] – Adam’s chart traits and reactions
• [24:17] – Jon’s double Pisces and Capricorn moon explained
• [26:34] – Jon on open-wound sensitivity as a Pisces
• [35:07] – Adam’s relationships with Scorpios
• [43:01] – Aspect table and Pluto’s transformation
• [45:26] – Overlaying birth and death charts in family
• [47:43] – Using astrology for compatibility
• [52:30] – Astrology’s comfort in factuality/“the sky looked like…”

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Final Thoughts & Takeaways

• Astrology can be a playful, powerful lens for self-reflection, connection, and understanding bigger-picture patterns—even (or especially) for those who approach with skepticism.
• The show’s conversational style makes it approachable—even as Aliza Kelly brings expertise and depth, Jon and Adam’s honesty, humor, and emotional openness offer helpful modeling for listeners unfamiliar with astrology.
• Whether or not listeners “believe,” the episode makes a compelling case for using astrology as a tool for curiosity, compassion, and connection—with oneself and others.

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Guest Links

• Aliza Kelly’s Podcast: Horoscope Weekly (Mondays & Wednesdays)
• Most recent book: It's All Magic
• Online: @alizakelly everywhere

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“For better or worse, you are who you are. And I think that's one of the things that I'm starting to really like about this.”
— Jon Gabris [52:08]

Transcript

[Aliza Kelly]

Smart.

[Adam Pally]

Bless me.

[John Gabris]

Aliza.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yes.

[John Gabris]

Before we even like get into anything, I just want to like know, make sure that I know like what you like to like call all this because like some people, you know, everyone's got their own like professional title or whatever.

[Adam Pally]

How would you describe yourself?

[John Gabris]

I want to make sure that we're not mistitling or.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yes, yes, I appreciate it. I'm an astrologer.

[Adam Pally]

Yes.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Heck yeah.

[Aliza Kelly]

I'm an author, I'm a host. But for this, I'm an astrologer.

[John Gabris]

Okay. Yeah. Right.

[Aliza Kelly]

Well, I mean, I have to say that like I have a lot of questions for you guys.

[John Gabris]

Oh.

[Aliza Kelly]

Because it is not every day. I mean, I don't know your sexual orientation, but it is not every day that I'm sitting across from two maybe straight men talking about astrology.

[Adam Pally]

Two straight men. Okay, so 95%. I don't know.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. I would say I'm not closing the book. I don't want to close any doors. And certainly there are ones that have been left open. I don't, to be quite honest with you. I don't know if I'm emotionally ready for our next guest.

[Adam Pally]

I'm like kind of informed on horoscopes just from knowing a bit about it and hearing a bit about it. Living in Los Angeles, being friends with 40 year old women. But I'm very curious. Cause we're gonna look at our birth chart, like have a professional talk to us about it. And it's, it's.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. And I also am like always curious with birth charts. Like it's not just about me, but it's like the people I've chosen to surround myself with too, I often look at. Like, I'm interested to see yours.

[Adam Pally]

I know, I'm very curious what yours is.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, I'm interested to see, like to hear about my wife and my kids. Like stuff like that. Like just you want to know like where what everybody's, what deck everyone's playing with, you know, how do we fit.

[Adam Pally]

This into the idea of staying alive?

[John Gabris]

Well, I think it's mental health.

[Adam Pally]

It's. If it helps you in any way.

[John Gabris]

I think that's the point of all of this. Right? Like if, if you, if we take.

[Adam Pally]

A little from every single guest, like we'll have improved ourselves. It's like we might as well check out all the study all the martial arts.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. There are people.

[Adam Pally]

Fu is strong, but I also need to learn monkey style.

[John Gabris]

Exactly. There are people that, that swear by this as like their mental. You know, they look every day to see where the moon is, to see how it affects where they're feeling from the day they were born. Like, yeah, this is part of it. Mental health for a lot of people. So I feel like we, we had to look into it.

[Adam Pally]

I, I'm. Oh down, I, you know me, I'm, I'm agnostic. I'm down to learn anything.

[John Gabris]

I mean, and it is, it is and I'm interested in it.

[Adam Pally]

Well, let's get Aliza in here and figure out what I'm going to.

[John Gabris]

Stay alive charts. Staying alive.

[Adam Pally]

No, this is the intro.

[John Gabris]

Oh, then I've really beat you.

[Adam Pally]

Oh, you smoked me.

[John Gabris]

Then.

[Aliza Kelly]

This is, you know, I'm like, is this a trap? Is it a trick? Like this is not my usual demo.

[Adam Pally]

You know, like two weirdly open minded guys. Famously.

[John Gabris]

This is like not for straight dudes.

[Aliza Kelly]

I mean it is for them. I would love for straight dudes to have these conversations, but I have found that they don't happen very often.

[Adam Pally]

Yes, it's very gendered astrology. Really. It's very, I'm kind of surprised by that.

[John Gabris]

Like with all the like, you know, quote unquote performative male aspects.

[Adam Pally]

Oh, there's some dudes who are into astrology for sure. Or pretending to be. To get laid, right?

[Aliza Kelly]

Yes, yes. I mean you have that like ayahuasca dude who can tell you about moon phases and then also gaslight you after.

[Adam Pally]

You got like little beaded bracelets on and shit.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah, but like with those men aside, you know, I feel like the conversations around astrology are often very contentious with men.

[Adam Pally]

Well, I think it's like old school.

[John Gabris]

Interesting. Most stuff is, most stuff is contentious.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah, maybe that's right.

[Adam Pally]

It's also just like, oh, it's for women. So fuck that. You know what I mean? There's like, there's like that male attitude that's incorrect. But that, that's like, oh, that's chick.

[John Gabris]

Stuff or girl stuff Also I think, you know, a lot of men, as you get older, you become more defensive.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

In, in what? You know, as fact. And it's like your mind gets less open, it closes. So like, you know, it's, it's no matter what, telling a man like you can't do that becomes inherently rage filled.

[Aliza Kelly]

You know. And I also, I wonder, you know, because astrology, and we'll talk about it of course is like very much inward reflection. You know, we have to look at ourselves and we have to be willing to really consider the multidimensionality of who we are and how we operate and our relationships with our parents and where we come from and all of these, like, very important things. And I don't know, I feel like sometimes men haven't started doing that work, you know? Like, I can't believe that a lot of men aren't even therapy still.

[Adam Pally]

We're different than a lot of guys. But that is very true. Like, men are like, no, I kind of know how to fix myself. It's like, with alcohol. Punch a wall, I'll do squats.

[John Gabris]

I go for long walks where I scream into the East River. Yeah.

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[Adam Pally]

I, like, when I was younger, watched 90210 and read, like the Babysitter's Club books.

[Aliza Kelly]

Oh, yeah.

[Adam Pally]

To be able to talk to the girls at school about it. Sure. So now I feel like learning astrology is like a way to, like, connect. Cause, like, I love just saying, like, well, I'm an Aquarius. And, like, I don't even know what that means.

[John Gabris]

Is that astrology?

[Aliza Kelly]

It is, yeah. Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Do you know what you are?

[John Gabris]

I'm a Pisces. I know that. And I also do believe in some of that stuff. I think I do believe that, like, you know, there's certain qualities of, like, Pisces that are, you know, I don't know, go with the flow.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah. They're the fish.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Aliza Kelly]

Fishies.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

So I think that some of that stuff is right.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yes. Yeah. I mean, I am I.

[John Gabris]

Right here.

[Aliza Kelly]

I mean, that's.

[Ad Read Voice]

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[Aliza Kelly]

Is that a trap for me, right, to prove it's real?

[John Gabris]

No, no, no. I mean, like, I.

[Adam Pally]

The funny thing is, I see those memes, like, those horoscope memes online, and it's always like, aries, be like. Or whatever. And it's always. It's like, that's maybe true for everyone. Like, some of the language of it is just like. And I think that's what's intriguing because, like, you're saying it's introspective, but there's also an element of, like, you're interpreting it a little bit too. And you can, like, as I always say, like, whatever works for you. You know what I mean? Like, you're like. You're like, I am that. Or I aspire to be that. If that helps you on. On your path or whatever, then, like, it's working.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah. I mean, astrology has, like, astrology loves the Internet, right? Like, astrology loves meme culture because it' something that can be flattened, it could be very easily disseminated. It can be something that people. It kind of just like, appeals on this very sort of guttural, reactive level, which is fine. Like, that's astrology on the Internet. You know what I mean? And, like, I fuck with that, too. Like, that's fun. I've been doing this, you know, I have been doing the work in tandem with being on the Internet. So I appreciate it all. But then there's also, like, very deep therapeutic work that we could do from astrology, too. And that's lovely and powerful and very meaningful. So, like, you know, it has levels and layers, and depending on what you are using it for, like, if you're using it to just send your friend a meme, like, gorgeous, right? No notes, that's perfect. But if you're using it to, like, really start to try to find confidence or courage or unpack difficult things that have happened in your life, like, we can do that also.

[Adam Pally]

Well, let's start unpacking all the beautiful things in our lives.

[John Gabris]

You know, I think I left my duffel bag of them. Difficult things in my life at home.

[Adam Pally]

But we're holding birth charts.

[Aliza Kelly]

We are holding birds.

[Adam Pally]

We're holding birth charts that you did for us.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yes.

[Adam Pally]

Prepared by Aliza.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yes.

[Adam Pally]

Now what. What are we looking at? Or what do you want to assume our listeners have no idea even what.

[Ad Read Voice]

A birth chart is?

[Aliza Kelly]

Yes.

[Adam Pally]

You know what? We don't.

[John Gabris]

You know, assume you're hosts, Joan. Assume you're hosting Eliza.

[Adam Pally]

Gilded birth chart before you show up.

[John Gabris]

I assume your hosts don't know what a birth chart is. Walk us through this.

[Aliza Kelly]

So a birth chart is a snapshot of the sky at the exact, exact moment that you were born. And every single person has a birth chart. Every single event also has a birth chart. Right. Like, anything that exists.

[Adam Pally]

Anything you get down to a time. Right.

[Aliza Kelly]

Anything you could get down to a time. Yeah. So buildings have birth charts, countries have.

[John Gabris]

Birth charts, but it's all related to the sky.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah. So it's where all of the planets were in the sky at that moment. And what I think is also really cool about that and something I love about this work is that it invites a lot of history and a lot of sort of considering. You kind of have to be an archivist to really, really get into this work. Because the snapshot of the sky at the moment that you were born also means that that energy of whatever was happening in the world, in the place where you came into existence, is also something that exists within you. And like we were talking about this a few years ago with COVID babies, you know, in 2020, and those babies were like coming out of the womb, like sitting up, like ready to work, super serious. And it's like, yeah, that energy is going to be part of them. That's gonna be something in the sky. Because that's, you know, if we are treating this as the sort of the art of understanding what the planets were doing and how that informs who you are, that also means that the zeitgeist, that all of the cultural information, that what was going on politically, all of that metaphorically and symbolically lives within you too.

[Adam Pally]

It's a cosmic stew.

[Aliza Kelly]

It is.

[John Gabris]

My sister in law had a baby Covid and the baby came out and knew how to set zoom settings.

[Adam Pally]

Born with a little mask on.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, I don't know if that's. But like right away it could like do all. It could make all the stuff go behind you blurry and like get the sound right. It was wild to see like a six month old, like little.

[Adam Pally]

That's really good because we do zooms a lot for work. And you still haven't figured it out.

[John Gabris]

I know.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah, we need that.

[John Gabris]

Look at my birth chart.

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[Aliza Kelly]

Oh, shit.

[Ad Read Voice]

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[John Gabris]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

I didn't even realize you were a.

[John Gabris]

Capricorn moon, but can. So can I ask a question that I don't know if I'm gonna be able to articulate it to what I'm asking and forgive me for it being so rudimentary, but, like, why the sky? Why not the. Like in reference to, like, what about the way the planets are? What about the way the moon is or where we are from it to the sun? Like, why is that affecting our personality as opposed to the ocean or as opposed to the air, or as opposed to the. You know what I mean? Why the sky?

[Aliza Kelly]

Well, I. That, you know, the origins of astrology are very ancient and astrology and sky star gazing was really the outer limits of the human. It still is of the human experience of reality. And before the advent of telescopes, before we were able to sort of understand how the Earth moved around the sun in accordance with the solar system and all of these other planets, the sky was just this like massive unknown. Right. The ocean we now know is massively unknown. But I think that our ancient ancestors were like, this is still. Of the Earth, right? This is still. Yeah, this is something that we can still interact with we have dominion over.

[Adam Pally]

Perhaps also the sky is in everyone's life.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Like, no matter where you live, you have a sky.

[John Gabris]

Is it advantageous to be born underneath the sky as opposed to in a building?

[Aliza Kelly]

Sounds lovely.

[John Gabris]

Is there like some sort of like.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, like do real astrology heads be like, I'm giving birth in the parking lot, my kid can see the sky.

[Aliza Kelly]

So that we can all take it in. Maybe in Europe. Maybe that's in like Scandinavia somewhere. Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

So what? Like, so the birth chart is a snapshot of where all the planets and celestial bodies were when we were born. And then from there we can discern like, oh, if Pluto was in this, or whatever is in this for you. That tends to lead to this in people and stuff like that. So that's what we're doing. So it's. This is like when someone's like, read my horoscope and you're like, oh, it says Leo is blah, blah, blah. That's like the entry level, like beginning. And now we are. This is like the deep dive into what's going on.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yes, exactly.

[Adam Pally]

Because this looks like nothing I've ever seen before.

[John Gabris]

Well, it's hard to make heads or tails.

[Adam Pally]

You know, there's symbols I don't even.

[John Gabris]

Read because it looks a little bit like the font is winged. But I'm making my way through it. So. Yeah. Okay, so let's start. Let's dig in, Right?

[Aliza Kelly]

Sure.

[John Gabris]

Do you think that we've done enough general exploration to start looking at the charts or is there anything else that we should know?

[Aliza Kelly]

I think that maybe I'll also mention, I mean, to the point of why are we looking at something celestial and not Earth based? There are a lot of Earth based concepts in astrology. So astrology, or at least what I practice, there's different types of astrology. What they practice in India is not really what they practice in the US predominantly, but the way that I practice is actually seasonally based. It's called tropical astrology because it's based on the Tropic of Cancer and Capricorn. So that does consist of that.

[John Gabris]

What is the Tropic of Cancer?

[Aliza Kelly]

It's the highest. It's the declination of the sun. So it's basically like, you know, when the sun reaches the Tropic of Cancer is when we have summer solstice. When it reaches the Tropic of Capricorn.

[John Gabris]

Is the turning of the season.

[Aliza Kelly]

So it's the.

[Adam Pally]

And they're latitudinal lines.

[John Gabris]

Yes.

[Aliza Kelly]

Around the moon, so top and bottom of Earth. So we're considering the role of seasons. We're considering, you know, the energy of a spring equinox versus Earth.

[Adam Pally]

Are you top or bottom? Yeah, I'm verse.

[Aliza Kelly]

I love it. That is how it operates.

[Adam Pally]

Yes, Earth is verse.

[Aliza Kelly]

That's Earth for you.

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[Aliza Kelly]

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[Aliza Kelly]

So yeah, we can. Let's get into it. So you both gave me. Well at first you both gave me the same birth time. Did you know that?

[Adam Pally]

Well, that.

[John Gabris]

Well, that was. I don't. I think that was a clerical error. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Cuz I was like there's no way we're both born at exactly 6am So I asked my mom and it was. I was 2. 35am Yeah.

[Aliza Kelly]

I love it. I love it. Yeah. I was like there is no way they're twinsies like this. This is very.

[John Gabris]

I wouldn't be surprised. But 6am for me and what time for you?

[Adam Pally]

2:35Am and a couple months before you, you know, like a month. Actually like six weeks before you and maybe 15 miles from you.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

That's really cute.

[Aliza Kelly]

It is cute. Yeah. So because of that you do have a lot of similarities in what we call the outer planets in your chart. So the outer planets are things that have more to do with your life mission. Big long term themes, less personality and more sort of like what you're working through long term, you know, over the course of your entire reality here. Right. How you are gonna be. You know, the themes around power dynamics, themes, around father figures, themes around where you come from. Yeah, a lot of daddy stuff in both charts.

[Adam Pally]

Oh, yeah, that makes sense. That sounds about right.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, that sounds about right.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah. But also, you know, being born in 1982 is an interesting time to be born. Who I mean. Cause it was an interesting time in the United States. It was an interesting time. It was the beginning of the AIDS epidemic. There was a lot of, like, tension around Reaganomics. Yeah, Reaganomics. It was sort of like this new era was coming in and Reagan is like crack was being sold crack on Amsterdam Avenue. It was crazy times, but it was. Yeah, it was an intense time of like, who's in charge, you know, who's running the show here.

[Adam Pally]

Well, at least that's changed.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Times are no longer intense.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

At least the political climate has been turned down.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

1982, crazy time.

[John Gabris]

What was the. I wonder what, like, can I look up some stuff while we talk? Is that okay? Yeah, because like, I would love to know, like, what the. What the biggest record of the year.

[Aliza Kelly]

I. I love that. I think that, like, knowing also, like the record of the year, what was number one when you were born? Like, all of that lives in your charts.

[Adam Pally]

The one in the box office in 82.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. I mean, this makes total sense for. For me, best selling album of 1982 is Michael Jackson's Thriller.

[Adam Pally]

Oh, yeah, that's nice. You were molested by it.

[John Gabris]

Well, just cause. Yeah, well, some of that dark trauma.

[Adam Pally]

There comes another daddy issue.

[John Gabris]

I was one of the few people that worked at Neverland Ranch.

[Adam Pally]

What's the best. What's the biggest box office movie of 82? Is it E.T.

[John Gabris]

It'S gotta be E.T.

[Adam Pally]

Fuck.

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[Adam Pally]

I'm very proud of that, by the.

[Aliza Kelly]

Way that I pulled.

[John Gabris]

That makes sense. Yeah, so that makes sense. So it's like a lot of things are, you know, ET is an allegory for immigration.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

You know, so like, it's like we're starting to get.

[Adam Pally]

By the way, what we're doing right now is boy astrology.

[John Gabris]

Really.

[Adam Pally]

We looked up a movie and now we're like, oh, so kushb. ET this is like. We are like that horoscope shit is for the girls. So ET Actually means. And then we're doing exactly the same. It's really funny because this I'm getting on, I'm like, oh, yeah, this is.

[Aliza Kelly]

Good astrology to me. I think it's good astrology. I think that understanding.

[John Gabris]

I like to astrologerize the stars of Hollywood.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

I want to Know what the box.

[John Gabris]

Office was doing when I was born?

[Aliza Kelly]

I think that understanding, having a context for sort of where, like, what you came into and that world is also, like, it's important work to do. You know, like, we have to. We're historians. Like, we gotta remember things or else, you know, never forget. Right.

[John Gabris]

In many ways. In many ways.

[Adam Pally]

I mean, I'm sure you're gonna get to a few more things, but, like, what is rising moon and sun? I know because, like, so. Because that's like the next level of astrology where someone's like, I'm a Sagittarius. Capricorn rising.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Like, I have no fucking.

[Aliza Kelly]

Well, let me give you guys both your big three so that you can be armed with that wherever you go. And you can always deliver that information when there's, like, a spooky girl in the office who needs to know. So you are in Aquarius.

[John Gabris]

First of all, thank you for thinking that we work in an office when you find.

[Adam Pally]

We definitely talk to spooky girls.

[Aliza Kelly]

This is an office. I came into a corporate space. We're now in a creative space. But, you know, we have to interact.

[John Gabris]

Of course, of course.

[Aliza Kelly]

So you're an Aquarius sun, a Sagittarius rising, and a Aries moon.

[Adam Pally]

Okay.

[Aliza Kelly]

And you are a Pisces sun. You are a Pisces rising. And you are a Capricorn moon, double rising. Yes. So that's at 6am birth time. So you were born when the sun was rising.

[Adam Pally]

Oh, that makes sense.

[Aliza Kelly]

So your rising sign. Because the rising is what zodiac sign was coming up over the eastern horizon when you were born. Your zodiac sign is Pisces. Pisces rising. Pisces sun. So double Pisces energy.

[Adam Pally]

And that's actually really bad.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

Like, what is that?

[Adam Pally]

I hate to tell you this, but that's really, really bad.

[John Gabris]

So do I have testicular cancer? Like, what?

[Adam Pally]

I think with me being a Sagittarius rising, Sagittarius rising.

[John Gabris]

I should check. What is.

[Adam Pally]

There's the 5%.

[John Gabris]

What is the. So what? So now. So now that we have that, what are the prescriptive behaviors for these? Like, what does that mean?

[Aliza Kelly]

So your sun, which is sort of the default for when people look at their horoscope. It's like, usually what people.

[Adam Pally]

When they say, what's your sign?

[Aliza Kelly]

What's your sign? Yes, it's your sun sign. So your sun represents your external identity. It's sort of how you interface. It also shows you your proclivities, your preferences, sort of how you move through and shine in space. Right. Your rising sign shows you your perspective on reality. So your rising sign is gonna show you the recurring themes that happen in your life and the sort of patterns that you find yourself experiencing over and over and over again. And it also is like the world through your vantage. Right. So in a way, it also shows how you are going to relate and coexist with people. Because your rising sign is sort of how you expect to be treated and how you expect to be coexisting. Your moon is your emotional inner world. So this is your sensitivities. This is how you really feel about things.

[Adam Pally]

Can you run us through? Like what? Like, let's see, like Sagittarius Rising. That's how I would interact.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yes.

[Adam Pally]

So what are some common traits of that? So I can see if any. Hit for me.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah, sure. So Sagittarius Rising are storytellers.

[Adam Pally]

Check.

[Aliza Kelly]

They're adventurous.

[Adam Pally]

Okay.

[Aliza Kelly]

They love to. Their whole perspective on reality is like, I gotta live life and learn about everything and discover the world and be on this quest for knowledge. And it's like the sign of the. It's a very philosophically forward placement and then that with the Aquarius sun. Because Aquarius. I don't know if you know anything about Aquarius.

[Adam Pally]

Let it all rip.

[Aliza Kelly]

I don't know. So Aquarius is also. It's like the outsider sign. It's the weirdo. It's the one who does things differently. It's very future sort of thinking. It's very progressive. It's not afraid to, like, push back on systems. So the fact that you have this Sagittarius rising and then an Aquarius sign means that, like, you are marching to the beat of your own drum. You're not really going to care what other people think. You're doing things your own way. It's very sort of like, that's the path.

[John Gabris]

Okay.

[Adam Pally]

You're circling.

[John Gabris]

She's kind of pegging you down.

[Adam Pally]

And I've, you know, been dying. I guess it's 6% now.

[John Gabris]

Well, that doesn't mean anything. Okay. What is Pisces rising?

[Adam Pally]

Pisces sign. What does double Pisces sign?

[Aliza Kelly]

So double Pisces is. Well, Pisces is the last sign of the zodiac. So Aquarius is the second to last. Pisces is the last of the last. Whenever we get into these, like, final signs of the zodiac, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aquarius and Pisces, Pisces, we're very existential. We're sort of like leaving. Leaving the Plane, you know, like, we are moving into a different way of thinking and existing. And we're thinking big picture. And it's very sort of like, you know, we're imagining a different kind of future, right? So Pisces being the last sign is incredibly existential, incredibly sensitive. It picks up on energy, emotion. It is really sort of. It's very artistic, it's very creative, but it very much is like, not of this world. It has this sort of dreamy quality to definitely, you know, it can be a bit of an escapist. It can wanna run away from things. But it also. I mean, that's because it's. That's its defense, you know, how do you exist when you feel everything and you're trying to figure out, it's like, is this my feelings or is this someone else's feelings? So being Double Pisces in this way also means that being this creative, sensitive artist, right? Pisces are really artists, is a huge defining part of what your mission here is in this lifetime. But then you have a Capricorn moon, and Capricorn is very strict, very serious, very responsible. Doesn't want to have all the emotions, doesn't want to feel too much. Right? So there's a little bit of a push and pull between being the creative, sensitive artist that you are. But then also feeling like, but I have to be buttoned up. I gotta do things the right way. I gotta sort of like live, you know, I have to. And this is where the daddy issues come in, right? Like, I gotta make him happy. Him. Or also just like the collective society, the programming of feeling like you have to be good enough for the world.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. The Double Pisces really nails down the are you mad at me? Facet, you know.

[Aliza Kelly]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Because it's the sensitivity.

[John Gabris]

I'm not seeing any of this at all.

[Adam Pally]

Your special, which drops this week is like literally a sensitive artist. Storytelling. Existential.

[John Gabris]

No, it's really. No, it's really quite. You really quite got me. You got me. No, like I was saying, I do subscribe to that. This kind of analysis, you know, and it does seem to like, kind of nail me down. I feel like one of the things I'm working on most in my own journey is not feeling everything all at once. I like, I walk around in my, like, natural state, a bit of an open wound and like, can't tell often what. Cause I just have feeling everybody's everything a lot. And it becomes mixed with my own. And it's just hard to nail down what is actually going on. Mine versus the actual subtext. I find often the subtext I'm feeling between people is correct because, I mean, that's my job as an actor is to read something, interpret subtext, and play and show that through action, you know? So I feel like I'm working on trying to not like, necessarily run away from it, but just find a way to, like, not feel everything all at once.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, those are the boundaries, right? Those are the psychic boundaries. That's really important.

[John Gabris]

What does that mean, psychic boundaries?

[Aliza Kelly]

You know, there's. When you have this much sensitivity in a chart like you do, it is important to do to protect yourself. Protect yourself. You know? And I don't mean like you have to put salt around your bed or something. You know, you don't need to sage.

[Adam Pally]

Your house even if you want to. Your dog said no more salt.

[Aliza Kelly]

No more salt.

[John Gabris]

The fire department said no more sage.

[Aliza Kelly]

I think that, you know, it's like a meditation. Really important.

[John Gabris]

Is that something that you find helps Double Pisces meditation?

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah, I mean, I would say that anything that. That gives you space to be alone, gives you space to process. Gives you space to. And space being really the operative word, you know, like you need the space in order to reflect and consider whether what you're feeling is yours or someone else's. And anything that you can do to create that space, that psychic space for yourself where you could be like, wait, is this my feeling or is that, am I picking up on someone else sadness? Am I taking on someone else's sadness? Because they're not really metabolizing it and I can do it for them. You know, there's definitely a lot of like, self sacrifice also with Pisces. It's the Jesus sign, you know, it has the martyr kind of quality to it.

[John Gabris]

I fight that quite a bit.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Wow.

[Aliza Kelly]

So it has that, you know, there's a piece of it that is like, well, if you can't do it, like, I'll do it for both of us. Right. But you are only responsible for yourself. Right? We have to be solely responsible. Yeah, we do. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Someone has to be responsible for you.

[John Gabris]

Someone's gotta be responsible.

[Adam Pally]

Might as well be you. Holy shit.

[John Gabris]

I'm gonna need a five minute break.

[Aliza Kelly]

That's the space.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. Go take your emotional space if you need it.

[John Gabris]

No, I'll just hit my vape.

[Adam Pally]

That's your emotional meditation of live resin.

[John Gabris]

Live resin can really help with double Pisces. Capricorn Moon does Aries.

[Adam Pally]

What does an Aries Moon mean for me.

[Aliza Kelly]

It is fiery. It's fiery.

[Adam Pally]

Meaning like it's.

[Aliza Kelly]

It's reactive. It's. It's intense. You know, it's. It burns really fast and then it gets over things. But then like damage could be done, you know.

[Adam Pally]

Oh my God.

[John Gabris]

Who booked you? Why. Why are we doing this? Other things to do.

[Adam Pally]

I'm too rattled. We got to. That's so crazy. Everything you said has been even right for me and aspirational. Like, the thing I love about myself is my adventurousness and I chase that and I like, I live by like that rule of experiencing new things, trying new things. It's like truly a foundational part of my personality. And it also is a sag rising. A sag rising.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yes, yes, yes. It's not in the union.

[John Gabris]

Unions are a big deal.

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[John Gabris]

Simple. So take me through. Like what? What does all this stuff mean? Like the.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. What are we looking at?

[John Gabris]

What are we looking at?

[Aliza Kelly]

Which stuff?

[John Gabris]

Well, like the colors and the, and the numbers and the symbols and the. The water, earth, fire, the natural planets. Like what, what does all this mean? Like, rudimentary. Walk me through this as best.

[Aliza Kelly]

We're looking at a circle primarily, which is a flattened two dimensional depiction of the sky when you were born. So that circle. And if you look.

[John Gabris]

I can see it. Yeah, I'm looking at yours.

[Aliza Kelly]

Experts.

[John Gabris]

Okay.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah. So you could keep doing it like that or does this not make sense?

[John Gabris]

Is this not the way?

[Aliza Kelly]

Well, you could look at it like a clock also. So at the 12 o' clock position would be looking straight up overhead.

[John Gabris]

Oh, okay. Okay.

[Aliza Kelly]

If you were to look at the Six o' clock position. That would be if you were to look straight down beneath your feet, go through the earth. That would be what? Exactly.

[Adam Pally]

Okay, I got it now.

[Aliza Kelly]

And then on the left, we have the eastern horizon. What's coming up over there? So that's your rising sign. And then on the. The right, the 3 o' clock position would be the west waning.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, the west, yeah.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yes. Okay, so that's the orientation for this. So then every planet that you see.

[Adam Pally]

We should get these tattooed as tram stamps on our back.

[Aliza Kelly]

That's so cute. The girls would love it.

[John Gabris]

I'm gonna have to get rid of the one that says painted here. Yeah, so. But, okay, so, like, what are the. Are these the same?

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. What else can we learn from this?

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

What else should we take away from that?

[Aliza Kelly]

So anything that is above the horizon line. So anything that is in the top half of this chart are things that were visible in the sky when you were born. Those were things that you could have seen right overhead. And anything that is below it would be anything that was underneath the Earth. So both of you were born when the sun was underneath the earth. You were both born at night in the dark. In the dark.

[Adam Pally]

In New York at the time.

[Aliza Kelly]

In New York, yeah. Imagine set the scene. Yeah.

[John Gabris]

On 73rd West 58th street in Rockville.

[Adam Pally]

Center, Long Island Mercy Hospital. The thing that made me kind of lock in and start to believe is maybe not the right word, but listen to astrology was when I learned that three. I've only had, like, three or four girlfriends my entire life, and all of them were Scorpios.

[Aliza Kelly]

Oh, really?

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. And I was like, oh, that can't be a coincidence.

[Aliza Kelly]

I know. Why?

[John Gabris]

Oh, yeah.

[Aliza Kelly]

I mean, Scorpio activates an area of your chart associated with past life. So that's that.

[John Gabris]

Can I ask you a question about.

[Adam Pally]

My partner ancestrally attracted to Scorpio?

[Aliza Kelly]

Well, there's something about Scorpios that you can't quite put your finger on. There's something about the energy and the connection that feels sort of like you're very drawn to it. There's a magnetism, but it lives in an area of your chart that often is a very difficult one for us to navigate in this lifetime. Because it's the past. Right. So why are we still in the past? Why are we interacting with it? Is it because there's a lesson that we still need to unpack from that? Is it something that we do need to bring into this life? And I would say the fact that these have Are not current relationships would indicate that it's something that you're still trying to reconcile, but maybe not for this lifetime.

[Adam Pally]

Okay.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, you got it. On the next one.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

Now, okay. My partner was born two weeks before me.

[Aliza Kelly]

Okay.

[John Gabris]

A year and two weeks. A year older. Sorry. Across town.

[Aliza Kelly]

Cured.

[John Gabris]

And is a Pisces, obviously.

[Aliza Kelly]

Wow, that's a lot of fishies.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, yeah, splain that shit.

[Aliza Kelly]

Well, so your chart actually can change based on the location that you're in. So you would have a different chart in Los Angeles, for example, both of you.

[John Gabris]

If I was born there.

[Aliza Kelly]

Well, yes, if you were born there. But even when you go there, there's something called astrocartography that people really like on the Internet right now.

[Adam Pally]

Ooh, I like that. I like this hyphenate here.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yes. And it's basically, I think I'm on a medication for.

[Adam Pally]

Doc, don't tell me. It's astrocyptography. That's what killed my father.

[John Gabris]

He was a Gemini.

[Adam Pally]

My dad was a Pisces.

[John Gabris]

Oh, wow. There you go. And don't.

[Aliza Kelly]

See, this is how the girlies talk. Just so you know. This is how we. Yeah, yeah. So now you're doing girl astrology.

[John Gabris]

My wife is not having these conversations on the phone with her girlfriend.

[Adam Pally]

I don't know. I don't mind.

[John Gabris]

I don't mind.

[Adam Pally]

So Pisces on hot. Pisces on Pisces Action.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah, I mean, that's very sensitive, right? There's a lot of mutual understanding, reading each other. Other's minds. Oh, yeah. Like picking. You know, Is it my feelings? Is it your feelings? It's a lot of.

[John Gabris]

That's where it gets messy.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yes. Yes.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yes.

[John Gabris]

Then my daughter is a Pisces.

[Aliza Kelly]

No. You're kidding.

[John Gabris]

Nope.

[Aliza Kelly]

Okay.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Aliza Kelly]

You're really. You're piling it on.

[John Gabris]

It's quite a hassle.

[Adam Pally]

You got a school of fish over there?

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah, it's a school of fish.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. It's really. It's a lot.

[Adam Pally]

Well, it's funny. Cause, like, when you were in your 20s, you followed fish around. Now fish follow you around.

[John Gabris]

That's true.

[Aliza Kelly]

Oh, wow.

[John Gabris]

What a sad statement.

[Adam Pally]

One was more fun and had more whippets.

[John Gabris]

I won't tell you which, actually, same amount of whippets. But that's wild. It's really. You know, again, like, anything that helps a person understand themselves better or, like, comes to grip, is worth a million bucks, you know? And, like, this is truly enlightening.

[Adam Pally]

And I'm So, what can we do with this information? Now that we have it. Is there. Is there anything that we can do? Aspirate aspirationally or goal?

[John Gabris]

Well, obviously, like, my chart says that I. Like, I have a six. Water.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

Does that mean I need to drink more water or I'm drinking more?

[Aliza Kelly]

I think you have enough water. Yeah, I think it's.

[Adam Pally]

That's. Cause Pisces is a water sign.

[Aliza Kelly]

Right. And this.

[Adam Pally]

I remember learning that Aquarius was not a water sign. That got to me.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Because I'm a water boy.

[Aliza Kelly]

I know. It's a big reveal when we find out Aquarius is the vase that holds the water, but not the water itself. Yes, honey, yes. Yes.

[John Gabris]

Because I'm the water. You're something that understands how to be in the water.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yes. Yeah.

[John Gabris]

Stop crying, dude. He was out late last night drinking. He's probably still a little drunk.

[Adam Pally]

I just might be.

[John Gabris]

Now, what are these other things down here? Like cardinal, fixed, mutable, strong.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah. So where you. So the zodiac is divided into. There's a few different divisions that we could do. One is elemental, so that's earth, fire, water, air. And then the other division is in. It's something called modality. So cardinal signs are those signs that occur at the beginning of seasons. So Aries is a cardinal sign. Cancer is a cardinal sign. Aries is the beginning of spring. Cancer is the beginning of summer. So cardinal energy is about initiation. It's about sort of like taking action, doing something fixed occurs in the middle of seasons. So the fixed signs are. Are Taurus, Leo, Scorpio, and Aquarius. These are the stabilizers. These are the ones who sort of like, keep the systems, keep the lights running. Right. And then the mutable signs are the ones that occur at the end of seasons that are sort of changing. And those are Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius, and Pisces. So those are those signs that are about sort of transmutation, you know, moving us. Like, stop copying me. Seeing a sign. Mine are all C.

[Adam Pally]

What you get from number four? I got strong fire air.

[John Gabris]

I just answered that for everything.

[Aliza Kelly]

So depending. So you can see sort of like what your chart tends towards. Right, Right. Are you someone who tends to be more of an initiator? Are you someone who stabilizes? Are you someone who, you know, likes to fuck it up and change it around?

[John Gabris]

Is that why I have an 8 on mutable?

[Aliza Kelly]

Yes. Yeah.

[John Gabris]

This thing is cutting to the core of me.

[Adam Pally]

I can't wait to forget everything you explained to me and still look at this thing later on and be like, right, yes. T squared of Venus.

[Aliza Kelly]

Well, you remember your big three, right?

[Adam Pally]

Yes, I'm going to remember it for now. Sag Rising, Aries Moon, Aquarius Sun.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, mine's pretty easy. Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Pisces cap, no cap.

[John Gabris]

Pcp.

[Aliza Kelly]

No cap.

[John Gabris]

Does it. My dad once smoked PCP when he drove a cab and freaked out and lived in there for 24 hours. Do you think that has anything to do with this?

[Aliza Kelly]

What's his sign?

[John Gabris]

He's October 19th.

[Aliza Kelly]

Oh, so he's a Libra. Yeah, yeah. Nice neutral balancing energy.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, he is Dr. Pali, former guest of the Pod. My mom is also Aquarius, which is weird.

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[Adam Pally]

She's fed too?

[John Gabris]

Yeah. What does that mean?

[Aliza Kelly]

How's do you find similarities?

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, we have a lot of similarities. We kind of have a similar social energy and a similar. I'm probably 1200 times more open minded than she is.

[John Gabris]

We're both life of the party.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, but we're both like life of the party. Social animals, extroverts.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean you can, when you start putting in your family's info and you see those family patterns, it's really interesting.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, that's.

[Aliza Kelly]

I mean you have a whole school of fish, so that's fascinating, right?

[John Gabris]

Yeah, I have a whole school of fish, yes. But I don't think that doesn't seem to like it's. It's pretty much local, you know what I mean? Like it's not like around my family.

[Adam Pally]

Oh yeah, like the Pisces are in that. The call's coming from inside.

[John Gabris]

Yes, exactly.

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[John Gabris]

Yeah, like I'm doing it. Whatever, whatever is happening.

[Aliza Kelly]

Right. And like you are gravitating towards fish. Always fish, the band fish, the people. Right. Like all fish.

[John Gabris]

Sushi every day.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, he's a freak for sushi.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, No, I love fish. So what is this, this, this last section that looks like the periodic table.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah. So this section is a section, it's called an aspect table. And it's basically the relationship between all of the different planets. So every single planet is in relation to all of the other planets. So if you were doing like a deep dive of, you know, how does my moon work? Or like what is my love life mean? We could go through and be like, okay, Venus, the planet most associated with love. What is it doing relative to your moon? What is it doing relative to your Mercury, your planet of communication? What is it doing relative to Pluto, the planet of transformation? How you die and are reborn many times in this life. Right.

[Adam Pally]

Like Pluto famously transformed to not a planet, to a planet and back to not a planet.

[Aliza Kelly]

I know, but if you know Pluto lore, astrologically, it really checks out that Pluto would have this whole journey.

[Adam Pally]

Pluto's gonna.

[Ad Read Voice]

Pluto.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah, Pluto. Leave it to Pluto.

[Adam Pally]

That's so Pluto.

[Aliza Kelly]

So Pluto.

[Adam Pally]

So I'm gonna start saying to you, like, that's so Sag Rising. And try to get, like, be cool around women.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

I think.

[John Gabris]

You don't gotta be nice about it.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. Sir, you have to get out of the fitting room sagging. Anyone else?

[Ad Read Voice]

Sad driving.

[John Gabris]

So this chico's is about to close. Sorry to interrupt. What about death?

[Aliza Kelly]

Oh, what about it?

[John Gabris]

Do death dates mean anything?

[Aliza Kelly]

Sure.

[John Gabris]

Okay, so how does that.

[Adam Pally]

Cause you could, like, do a death chart.

[John Gabris]

Death chart.

[Adam Pally]

That's a good one.

[Aliza Kelly]

I'd love a death chart.

[Ad Read Voice]

Oh, yeah.

Whoa.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah. I mean, I love a death chart because it's just. It's a. You get a time, you know, like, you can. We can calculate it.

[John Gabris]

Time of death.

[Aliza Kelly]

But I don't calculate death in a chart. Like, that would be diabolical.

[Adam Pally]

Right. That's what this guy is going to look like.

[John Gabris]

When you got your mom's. How did you die? Yeah. Looking at your mom's chart, you got two weeks left.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

I would go on that vacation with you.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

For sure.

[John Gabris]

But so, like, what is a death chart? Like, you look at. So, like, let's say, use my mother, for example, we look at, like, the. When she died.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah. I mean, it's interesting to look at a death chart with a birth chart. Right. And to see how overlay those.

[John Gabris]

The reason I asked was because my son, my first son was born, like, very close to when she died.

[Aliza Kelly]

Oh, wow.

[John Gabris]

And he's named after her.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah. So that his birth chart would be very similar to her death chart, which is. It's very beautiful.

[John Gabris]

Is it? Or is it, like, fucked him up before I even started?

[Adam Pally]

No, I think. I don't think you see a clearer version of the circle of life than something like that.

[John Gabris]

Right.

[Adam Pally]

Okay.

[John Gabris]

So it's a positive.

[Adam Pally]

The sky was okay.

[John Gabris]

Cause I'm feeling everything at once.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, yeah, we know you're working well. Yeah.

[Aliza Kelly]

I mean, that's also. That's complicated emotionally to be losing your mom. And also your son is being born in tandem. So like those that duality. But Pisces is two fish swimming in opposite directions. So Gemini gets the reputation of being sort of the twins of duality. But Pisces is also very dualistic.

[John Gabris]

Yes.

[Aliza Kelly]

And having those multiple truths and contemplating them and considering them is like a part of the journey for you.

[John Gabris]

Okay.

[Aliza Kelly]

And understanding, like the tragedy and the mourning of losing someone that you love, your mother, and then also being a parent. Right. And, like, being on that journey as well and needing to show up for your family at the same time, like, two very conflicting life and death scenarios.

[John Gabris]

You go, gabris. No, but, like, how do you. How do you. So a death chart would be like. So you would look at a death chart in terms of, like, when someone was born. If there's, like, a significant person in someone's life, it's like, how did that death affect. Is that. Is that how you.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah. So you can overlay charts. You know, you can look at how two people's charts relate to each other. Where, you know, as we were talking about with, like, Scorpio activating this area of your chart. Different people light up your chart in different ways, too.

[Adam Pally]

So. So is my. My love of Scorpios, like, a thing that I'm gonna. Like, I'm now curious about this. If I'm, like, gonna accidentally seek out Scorpios for the rest of my life.

[Aliza Kelly]

You know, I would say that you're probably going to find your. Like, you're gonna. It's something to know about you. Right? There's something about a Scorpio that you are drawn to that there is.

[John Gabris]

You're gonna get off with a girl, and then you have to go, like, when were you born?

[Adam Pally]

I'm out.

[John Gabris]

I can't be like, hey, for your sake, I'm out.

[Aliza Kelly]

Well, that's why, babe.

[Adam Pally]

I'm sag rising.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. It ain't gonna work. It ain't gonna work.

[Adam Pally]

Barely rising.

[Aliza Kelly]

The boys say that that's what the girls do to them on dating. But when it comes to compatibility, I think of it as less of, like, are you compatible? And more of, how are you compatible? Yeah, like, what does it mean for you to be together?

[John Gabris]

Right.

[Aliza Kelly]

And how do you get along?

[John Gabris]

Right.

[Aliza Kelly]

Or not right. But it's not like you are or you aren't.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. It's not like I can't date any Aries.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yes.

[Adam Pally]

But it is kind of like, well, for an Aquarius and an Aries to work together.

[Aliza Kelly]

Aries would be great for you.

[John Gabris]

That's gonna be tough. By the way, he just matched on Raya with Aries Spears.

[Adam Pally]

7%. The number keeps growing every time I hate a guy.

[John Gabris]

I can't believe it only went 1%.

[Adam Pally]

I don't think percentage is the way people measure their sexuality. It's fluid. I'm a numbers guy.

[John Gabris]

Percentage.

[Adam Pally]

What curiosity. What would make Aries good for Me? Because Aquarius and Aries pair well together.

[Aliza Kelly]

You have that Aries moon.

[Adam Pally]

Oh, yeah.

[Aliza Kelly]

And you also have a SAG rising, and that rising sign is a fire sign. So it's like, you want. It's important for you to be with someone who, like, can match your energy. Scorpio's not necessarily doing that.

[Adam Pally]

Oh, okay, right. Well, they have their. The Scorpios in my life have their energy.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah, but it's a different energy.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, it's a different energy, but it's an appreciated energy.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah, yeah, but you appreciate it.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's not the same energy.

[Aliza Kelly]

Tea?

[Ad Read Voice]

Yeah.

[Aliza Kelly]

Interesting.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

And I, like. I just want someone that's gonna go.

[Aliza Kelly]

With the flow, and you have your whole little pipe Pisces family, and then you have your one Capricorn who's like, you guys, we have to be there. Like, we're late.

[John Gabris]

That describes my family dynamics so well. It's wild. My son is up every day. He's like. He's a machine.

[Aliza Kelly]

Wow.

[John Gabris]

And the rest of us are just, like, bumping into the walls.

[Adam Pally]

It's kind of true.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. It's awesome. Well, thank you so much. Like, this is been emotional and mind blowing, and I love it. I love.

[Adam Pally]

I just. I mean, come on. We're fucking light narcissists. Can we talk about ourselves?

[John Gabris]

About anything that's gonna make sense of the way my life has turned out?

[Adam Pally]

Oh. I'm definitely gonna be thinking about my SAG Rising. SAG Rising a lot. Because of the whole, like, adventure thing. I'll be like, holy shit. This is so sag.

[Aliza Kelly]

It's your mission, you know, it really is. Your rising. So leaning into that and embracing it.

[John Gabris]

And all that, and I'm like Superman. I need my Fortress of Solitude. You do, because there's too many. Too many voices going on.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah. Too many feelings.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. Will that get. Would that be used okay. In court?

[Aliza Kelly]

It sounds like a solid argument. Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Let me just show you exhibit A. Yeah. Exhibit A. My client's birth chart.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah. This sounds like very Salem. This is like, very Salem.

[John Gabris]

It all started on 73rd West 58th.

[Adam Pally]

So what is the name of your podcast? So our listeners come check it out.

[Aliza Kelly]

The name of my podcast is Horoscope Weekly. Naturally. And I have episodes every Monday and every Wednesday.

[Adam Pally]

Oh, nice. Any other plugs? You said you were an author.

[Aliza Kelly]

I'm an author. I have lots of books. My most recent one is called It's All Magic. And then I'm chronically online, so Lisa Kelly everywhere.

[John Gabris]

Okay. What kind of music do you listen to?

[Aliza Kelly]

Oh, wow. Good music.

[John Gabris]

Okay.

[Aliza Kelly]

I have really good taste in music.

[John Gabris]

Okay. So, like, what do you. What do you put on? What's like your.

[Aliza Kelly]

I like Pixies.

[John Gabris]

Okay.

[Aliza Kelly]

I like Roxy music.

[John Gabris]

Okay.

[Aliza Kelly]

I have a really good Halloween playlist, actually.

[John Gabris]

Okay.

[Adam Pally]

That. I don't like to judge books by their cover, but I knew that.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

I guess I was just.

[Adam Pally]

You have Halloween playlist vibes.

[John Gabris]

I guess I was just kind of trying to check to see if the book read like the COVID Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Aliza Kelly]

The book does it.

[John Gabris]

Yes.

[Aliza Kelly]

Cool.

[Adam Pally]

Oh, thank you so much for coming on.

[Aliza Kelly]

So long.

[Adam Pally]

Let's go. Sec. Let's rise the sag, bro.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, let's. Let's place the cap.

[Adam Pally]

How you feeling, Ad?

[John Gabris]

You okay? Stay alive. Twice in one day. I got you twice in one app. No. I'm rocked to my core. I've totally opened up, which I guess is crazy.

[Adam Pally]

Which we learned. We learned this part of what Pisces do.

[John Gabris]

Super easy to do. Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Fishy. Gonna fish.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. No, I mean, I think I. For better look, for better or worse, you are who you are. And I think that's one of the things that I'm starting to really like about this. I don't know if I'll dig in much more than this, but one of the things I like about this is.

[Adam Pally]

Pretty much the deepest I've dug in on myself.

[John Gabris]

Me too.

[Adam Pally]

Not like.

[John Gabris]

Not emotionally, but like astrology.

[Adam Pally]

Astrologically.

[John Gabris]

Astrologically based, but like, there is something nice about the fact of it. In a time where everything, like, you don't know what's true and what's not. It's like I was born at this time at this place, and that's what the sky looked like.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

It's like. That is fact.

[Adam Pally]

Right. And then from there is where we get off. Fact.

[Ad Read Voice]

Sure.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

But at least I have that.

[Ad Read Voice]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

And I know this information is just cool to have. Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Whether you believe in horoscopes or not knowing where the moon and sun and everything was when you were born is very interesting.

[John Gabris]

It's awesome. Yeah. I didn't get to tell her there was a story that my brother mother held me in because she didn't want me to be born on St. Patrick's Day.

[Adam Pally]

Oh, that's awesome.

[John Gabris]

The old legs crossed, which I can't believe is true. But, like, I wonder if that would have affected it. I wonder if I would have been quite as chill.

[Adam Pally]

I wish I was. No. Cause you probably. You would have still been a Pisces.

[Ad Read Voice]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

But I would have been a green pint rising.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Leprechaun rising. Stay alive.

[John Gabris]

I think I hit his arm.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. I'm out.

[John Gabris]

I'm fucking tapped. I'm fucked. Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

I'm fucking pissed.

[John Gabris]

I gotta blow my nose again.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, you do. You have been listening to Staying Alive with John Gabris and Adam Pali. A Smartless Media production in association with Sirius xm.

[John Gabris]

Produced by Devin Tory Bryant and Anne Harris. Engineered and edited by Devin Tory Bryant, who also wrote the music.

[Adam Pally]

Associate producer and video producer is Matty McCann. Social media producer Tommy Galgano.

[John Gabris]

Assistant engineer Kyle McGraw. Special thanks to Jared O' Connell at SiriusXM.

[Adam Pally]

Executive producers are John Gabris. Ooh, me, Adam Pally. Ooh, you. Will Arnett, Jason Bateman, Sean Hayes, Richard Corson and Bernie Kaminski. Do us a favor. Just rate and review the podcast. It actually helps.

[John Gabris]

Just so everyone knows, we do not have a discord.

[Adam Pally]

Don't reach out to us.

[John Gabris]

See us on the street. Walk the other way or you'll catch hands.

[Aliza Kelly]

From one townie to another.

[John Gabris]

Yes, I. I'm a Stuyvesant townie.

[Aliza Kelly]

Oh, wow. Cool.

[John Gabris]

What townie are you?

[Aliza Kelly]

I'm Upper west side Montana building.

[John Gabris]

Whoa.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah. Watch out. But then my parents divorce. That's another story.

[John Gabris]

Story for another.

[Aliza Kelly]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Well, I see that your parents divorced. I'm looking at your chart.

[Aliza Kelly]

Exactly.

[John Gabris]

I knew that was gonna happen.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. Say less sweet.

[John Gabris]

Your dad wasn't such a Gemini.

[Aliza Kelly]

My dad is a Gemini.

[John Gabris]

Oh, well, there you go. Smart lesson.

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[Aliza Kelly]

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