Tight Hour, Tight Ass (w/ Jay Jurden)

Summary

Staying Alive with Jon Gabrus & Adam Pally

Episode: Tight Hour, Tight Ass (w/ Jay Jurden)
Date: September 18, 2025
Guest: Jay Jurden

Episode Overview

In this lively episode, comedians and friends Jon Gabrus and Adam Pally are joined by stand-up comedian, actor, and former personal trainer Jay Jurden. The trio explores the intersection of comedy, body image, fitness, and the ever-changing landscape of health and wellness, especially as it relates to their careers and identities. With Jay’s unique perspective as a shredded comic and all-around entertainer, the guys dive deep into what it takes to stay healthy—and funny—in an industry rife with pressures on appearance and authenticity. The episode delivers candid insights into gym culture, shifting comedy norms, social media’s influence, and finding balance in both body and mind—all with their signature irreverence and humor.

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Main Topics & Key Discussion Points

1. Comedy & Body Image: Tradition vs. Evolution (00:00–15:00)

• Kickoff and Chemistry: The hosts and Jay launch into classic banter about travel, inside jokes, and comic references, setting a playful and relaxed tone.
• The Fit Comic Stereotype: Jay gets introduced as "shredded to the moon" and “weirdly perfect for this show”, sparking conversations about visible fitness in comedy.
  • “He is actually very funny, knowledgeable, a former personal trainer. And he’s shred to the moon.” — Adam Pally (02:28)
• Self-Deprecation in Comedy: The group discusses how self-deprecating humor about weight or fitness has long served as a bridge to connect with audiences, but how this is shifting as more comics embrace body positivity or openly display “thirst trap” style images online.
  • “So much of the self deprecation is like rooted in like wanting to make sure that you’re not alienating the audience.” — John Gabris (20:56)
• Comedy Icons & Sex Appeal: Talk of classic SNL comedians, Will Ferrell, and the evolution from “the fat, funny guy” archetype to today’s sexy comics and why audiences both embrace and resist the change.
  • “Comedy is always...that’s the idea. Like, comedians were always sexy. They wanted to be sexier.” — Adam Pally (23:01)
• Memorable Moment: Jay’s riff on body types in the gym and his “pander bear” OnlyFans joke.
  • “I’m like a year away from like, OnlyFans. Call me the pander bear. I’m like, he’s eating another sandwich.” — Jay Jurden (14:26)

2. Social Media & Comedy Trends (04:00–10:00; 30:38–41:01)

• Content Fatigue & TikTok Comedy: There’s agreement that online platforms have shifted the craft, amplifying hacky formats like lip syncs and “reaction” videos.
  • “If you were using someone’s audio as a ventriloquist dummy, up until the past couple of years, people would be like, ‘okay, shaking his hat’.” — John Gabris (05:21)
• Crowdwork Obsession: The obsession with posting crowdwork clips dilutes the craft of stand-up, with some comedians diluting sets for online validation instead of genuine engagement.
• Audience Shifts: Modern audiences sometimes expect to participate (or disrupt), influenced by viral videos of heckler takedowns.

3. Gym Culture, Fitness Routines, and Body Image in Comedy (15:00–37:00; 46:13–58:00)

• Jay’s Gym Journey: Jay shares his evolution from discovering the gym at 20 to working at NYC’s iconic (and infamously “cruisy”) David Barton Gym, and how his relationship with working out matured from aesthetics to functional wellness.
  • “You do have to have that body dysmorphia conversation with yourself as far as like, what am I trying to do?” — Jay Jurden (16:41)
• Routine Details: Jay’s current routine is four days split into upper/lower body workouts, emphasizing longevity over PRs.
  • “After 30, it’s what you want to do, but also what can I do?” — Jay Jurden (30:53)
• Staying Shredded on the Road: Jay and the hosts swap tips for keeping active on tour, battling body issues, and dealing with gym culture’s sometimes performative aspects.
  • “Working out for me right now is I want to make sure. Sure I’m getting some pull ups in...I also want to make sure that the numbers just aren’t decreasing. That’s it.” — John Gabris (32:18)
• Deadlift Talk: Jay and Jon geek out about the practicality of deadlifts and their role in the real world.
  • “Deadlifting is cute, but like, I feel like I’m just practicing to help someone move a couch.” — Jay Jurden (32:57)
• Gym Intimidation & Reclamation: They explore feelings of imposter syndrome, especially for comics who weren’t always athletic, and how the gym can become a source of confidence and community.
  • “The minute you start to feel comfortable there, you’re like, okay, actually, I can take up space. I feel, I feel allowed to be here.” — John Gabris (57:18)
• Protein Shakes & Nutrition: Jay prescribes a post-workout shake, sparking joking about wild protein flavors and cannabis-infused health trends.
  • “Cosmic brownie flavored...they have so many flavors of protein powders now that they have cereal collab.” — Jay Jurden (53:58)

4. The “Manosphere,” Influencer Culture & Modern Masculinity (37:04–41:01)

• Algorithmically Driven Health Advice: The group riffs on how the internet spits out the same health/grind/fitness/diet content to men, almost like brainwashing; e.g., “parlays, cold plunge, etc.”
  • “When you’re capturing the attention of young men right now, there are these weird areas where if you just say it, it’s almost like a winter soldier piece of their brain is unlocked.” — John Gabris (37:04)
• Fitness Grifters: They lampoon diet trends and the constant drive to monetize everything (“I want free Carnivore diet products and I want them to eventually pay me...”).

5. The End of Expertise & The “Health Guru” Phenomenon (41:01–44:24)

• From Trainer to Guru: Discussion of how people no longer differentiate between experts and influencers, using Joe Rogan as an example of a personality with outsized influence beyond his true areas of expertise.
  • “Why not listen to the guy about MMA training or standup comedy...but when he starts talking about global politics and stuff, you’re like, wait, he’s not an expert on this.” — Jay Jurden (42:22)

6. Stage Presence, Style, and the Changing Look of a Comic (46:13–50:57)

• Comic Style Choices: Jay and the hosts analyze how comic attire and style has shifted from “blend in” (black tees, suits, no flashy clothes) to today’s climate where standing out and authentic expression are encouraged.
  • “We need that comic just as much as we need the guy in the T-shirt.” — John Gabris (47:34)
• Visual Comedy & Social Media: Photographers at shows, fit-checks, and the importance of having distinctive comedy photos for promo and socials.
• Women's Experiences: Touch on how the visual shift has especially impacted women in comedy, referencing Sarah Silverman's need to “play down her looks” in a male-dominated scene.

7. Comedy as Wellness

• Creativity & Health: The trio emphasizes that comedy, community, and creative output are integral to overall health—not just physical wellness.
  • “Comedy can be therapeutic, but it’ll never be therapy.” — John Gabris (43:35)
• Balance and Holistic Health: There’s a shared sentiment that the “Staying Alive” podcast is about finding greater balance—physical, mental, creative, and social.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Body Image and Comedy:
  • “I know you think I’m fat, but I already got four funny jokes...that’s why I’m comfortable being shirtless and nude. No, deal with it.” — Jay Jurden (21:38)
• On Gym Bro Science & Male Ego:
  • “You have to start to take ego out of it. So like, for a lot of people, the reason they want to deadlift is so they can have the bar, have the plates, have the noise, hear the noise, pick it up, make the face, drop it.” — John Gabris (35:02)
• On Social Media’s Impact on Comedy:
  • “Now everyone’s like, no, be yourself up there.” — Jay Jurden (50:33)
• On Expertise in the Age of Podcasts:
  • “We used to listen to this person about this thing because that’s what they focused on...Now people don’t care that he’s not an expert. They go, I just listen to Joe.” — Jay Jurden (42:22)
• On Fitness Trends Online:
  • “All of our...because there are certain things that are like, if you’re a man...parlays, cold plunge, beef tallow.” — John Gabris (37:39)

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Section Timestamps

• 00:00–02:28: Banter, Jay’s intro, and “shredded” jokes
• 04:00–10:00: Comedy content on TikTok, crowdwork, and audience behavior
• 15:00–21:38: Jay’s fitness origin story and body image in comedy
• 30:38–35:02: Detailed gym routines, deadlifts, risk/reward of gym lifts
• 37:04–41:01: “Manosphere,” internet fitness trends, masculinity
• 41:01–44:24: Gurus, loss of expertise, podcasts as authority
• 46:13–50:57: Comic attire, changing norms, women in comedy
• 53:03–56:21: Protein shakes, nutrition, and holistic health
• 56:21–58:00: How working out fuels creativity and confidence
• 58:00–End: Wrapping up, ongoing search for balance

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Conclusion: Tone & Takeaways

This episode blends candid, irreverent humor with surprisingly earnest insight into how comedians navigate personal health, changing beauty standards, and a fitness landscape dominated by trendiness and influencer culture. The chemistry among the hosts and Jay Jurden makes for a conversation that’s honest, grossly forthcoming, and ultimately encouraging. The show leaves listeners with a sense of camaraderie and positivity for anyone striving—however imperfectly—to balance wellness with living (and joking) out loud.

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For those seeking an episode hyper-focused on step counts, macros, or strict wellness protocols, this isn’t it. Instead, it’s a refreshing, real conversation about navigating health, identity, and comedy’s evolving landscape, with plenty of laughs and hard truths for performers (and partiers) of all stripes.

Transcript

[Adam Pally]

Smart.

[John Gabris]

Bless media.

[Jay Jordan]

Look at these fucking cuties.

[Adam Pally]

Look at these guys.

[Jay Jordan]

I guess maybe the viewers or listeners don't know that we keep a picture of the two of us on set for some reason. And it's US branding. It's Brandon. Yeah, it's us in Puerto Rico, when we were doing 101 places, we wanted to match the Woody and McConaughey picture of them in the ocean.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[Jay Jordan]

We did it in a river in a Puerto Rican jungle.

[Adam Pally]

Do you know what I was most scared of that day? In that river? And I know it doesn't exist in that river because I asked the guide several times, but when I was on my honeymoon, we were in Thailand, and we went in this river and the guy was like, don't pee in here, because something's going to go up your pee hole.

[Jay Jordan]

Like in Sean Connery in the movie Medicine man famously says, it'll swim up your urethra.

[Adam Pally]

Right, Exactly. So I was so nervous about that that the whole time in that thing that I, like, couldn't really enjoy being in that river.

[Jay Jordan]

Oh, I had a bl. Quick aside. One of my favorite jokes. There's a clip of it in the episode, but it's much. It was much longer real life. One of my favorite jokes I've. You've ever done around me was when we got out, you did like the Tommy Lee Jones from U.S. marshals. You're like, I want every ouse bath house. And you did like a version of that because, like, you.

[John Gabris]

The.

[Jay Jordan]

The vibe was that you're like, spin the camera around. And you were just doing like, we're going to be searching high and low. And it was, like, so specific and so right in my wheelhouse doing Foggy.

[Adam Pally]

I mean, I love that speech. I mean that. I think that speech is the greatest. One of the greatest acting. Did he win best supporting Actor for that?

[Jay Jordan]

No. I don't know, but he might have been nominated. You might be right.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, I think he might have. Because, like, it is, you know, search every in house, outhouse, boathouse.

[Jay Jordan]

Like that is for six miles radius.

[Adam Pally]

Six mile radius. Yeah.

[Jay Jordan]

You.

[Adam Pally]

If anyone out here has. It's like the end is like, there's doctor in this state named Richard Kimball. We're gonna find. We're gonna find him. Yeah.

[Jay Jordan]

Speaking of best supporting actors, we got a wonderful guest.

[John Gabris]

A lead.

[Jay Jordan]

He's a lead. Yeah. Even when he comes on our podcast, we end up being supporting Jay Jordan to me.

[Adam Pally]

I. All. I. I'm waiting for him to be given the Tonight Show. I think he's like, I love talking to him. He's such a good interview. He's got. He's so quick and so phony and the best jokes, you know, and he's.

[Jay Jordan]

Like, weirdly perfect for this show. Arguably, he should host it over us because he is actually very funny, knowledgeable, a former personal trainer. And he's shred to the moon.

[John Gabris]

Shredded.

[Adam Pally]

To the moon.

[John Gabris]

Shredded.

[Adam Pally]

He's shred. Indebted. He's to the moon.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

I mean, he was lifting his arms and I was like, wow, his arms don't move when.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah, you follow him on social media, you get to see his six pack like every third.

[Adam Pally]

No, but he just even leaned back as put his arms up and like when I do that, like, my arms like move.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah. When I do it, we call it Oprah's on. Because there was this commercial on WPIX when we were kids where like Oprah's on and some like lady shaking her arms and she has like the bat wings flapping. And like every time I lift my arms up, that's all I see is this fudgeing sugar glider.

[Adam Pally]

It's like being. It's like being in a line at Disney World and looking up.

[Jay Jordan]

Oh, God.

[Adam Pally]

That's all you see.

[Jay Jordan]

I like to go to Disney World every once in a while to be reminded that I'm healthy. I like to go to Dallas, maybe.

[Adam Pally]

Go to a different world.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Let me come back to this world.

[Jay Jordan]

No, I'm good. When I go, you know, like, I'm like a Dallas supermodel when you go there and you're like 76 ounce soda.

[John Gabris]

Okay. I don't know if anyone's.

[Jay Jordan]

Shout out to all our listeners in Dallas.

[Adam Pally]

Pizza, churro.

[Jay Jordan]

Can we melt cheese on that? Really now?

[Adam Pally]

Funnel cake, pasta, cereal. The syrup is the milk. All right, Jay Jordan, everybody.

[Jay Jordan]

How was your set last night? Did you do stand up or did Seth make you do some weird bit?

[John Gabris]

No, no, no. I mean, it's so funny because people think I'm so, like I'm so progressive, but when it comes to stand up comedy, I'm such a traditionalist. I'm a little conservative.

[Adam Pally]

I don't think of you as progressive.

[John Gabris]

Well, good. Thank you.

[Jay Jordan]

I think you're. Well, I feel like I follow you on X, so I'm well aware of your stand up comedy opinions and I agree with all of them.

[John Gabris]

You actually said something that I was very happy not only to co sign but to like boost and make sure everyone do you know what I'm talking about? It's the clip about content?

[Jay Jordan]

Oh, yeah, I did for Funny or Die. I was shitting all over Content to Funny or Die.

[John Gabris]

Only because you actually were very clear in what you disliked about some of the takeaways from particularly TikTok over the past couple of years. Just because it is hard to encapsulate it and really distill it down to what is frustrating versus, like, people like, oh, you're just a hater. You're like, no, I'm just telling you, if there was ever a world where you were using someone's audio as a ventriloquist dummy, up until, like, the past couple of years, people have been like.

[Jay Jordan]

Okay, shaking his hat.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, yeah. Or they'd be like, do it in heels with, like, a cut crease. Like, taped. Maybe. Maybe then we can be like, okay.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

And like, I don't know. Even when New York drag queens would have their, like, mega mixes, when they would lip sync. Yeah. And there's people. I think some drag people know this, some people don't. Their megamix would be, like a clip from Jenny Jones. It would be, like, one lyric of a funny song, a clip from Jersey Shore. I mean, it was a monologue. It was a performance piece. Yeah.

[Jay Jordan]

And now people just, like, mouth someone.

[John Gabris]

Else'S TikTok, and they will mouth, like, another kind of unfunny person, TikTok. Or sadly, you'll be like, well, that person kind of was in the hospital. And they'll be like, isn't it funny that I'm saying this thing. This person who's on death's door said.

[Jay Jordan]

This guy right here, he's in the hospital. I hate that because it promotes ripping off people. It's a culture. Like, it's created a culture where you get even just in the outside of, like, doing memes and the same joke structure and no one colon, but, like, you know, like, all these dumb joke structures that are part of the Internet, that's. That's already bad because that eliminates, like, sort of variety. But then this element of, like, reaction videos to other things is like. I mean, it's like the snake eating its own tail.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, but that is also, like, what, that. Yes, but it is coming from a cultural place similar to, like, when you're in an office setting and one guy is, like, quoting Will Ferrell all the time.

[Jay Jordan]

Right? Yeah, Right.

[Adam Pally]

It's like, that's the same thing as TikTok.

[John Gabris]

But what's your. I would say the only pushback I have to that is that guy in the office, though. You don't go, oh, he's so funn. You know, oh, we have a shared common cultural exchange and experience.

[Adam Pally]

Exactly. But I feel like that's. That is a. Something that it's not just the. The content's fault.

[John Gabris]

It's the whole. Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Things. Fault.

[John Gabris]

Because.

[Jay Jordan]

Oh, it's wrong.

[Adam Pally]

We don't see the difference because to a lot of people, it's like, oh, that's. I'm just. By me. By me. Lip syncing the. The new Drake song. I'm just putting myself in. In the group of fans that are lip syncing the Drake song or whatever.

[John Gabris]

You know, I think as a comic, my only rule is there better be a twist and a take.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah. If it's.

[Adam Pally]

If it's comedic. If it's because I. Because, like, my daughter is on TikTok all the time and her videos, it's like, adorable how earnest they are. You know, it's like she's earnestly doing the TikTok dances of the people she admires.

[John Gabris]

But that's just fun. I think we are being.

[Adam Pally]

We're talking more about TikTok comics.

[John Gabris]

Comedy. Yeah. Like.

[Jay Jordan]

Or comedians in general. Like, these people like crowd work videos.

[John Gabris]

Well, that's a whole different thing because that I hate. Well, my big beef with that is, like, there used to be a moment where, like, if you were doing a show and let's say you're telling a joke and someone interrupted you with, like, this, like, kind of outburst, if you handled it masterfully and got back into your joke, people be like, oh, what a great example of crowd work. There are also examples now of people kind of like having these long, long conversations with people. And, like, you go, that woman's talking more than you. And you go, did you want to put this whole seven minute clip up? Cause they're internal cuts within the seven minutes. That means the crowd sat there for 10 minutes being like, I can't hear her. So you're having to also tell us what she said.

[Jay Jordan]

And you can maybe speak to this even more than I can. But I think the culture of audience has changed because now they think, like, that is how you're supposed to act.

[John Gabris]

I mean, like, if you. When you cultivate a crowd and they kind know your stances on things, you can really sort of like, nip all of that in the bud. But there are some general audiences that do think I'm helping. And you go, well, we're gonna be.

[Jay Jordan]

On a clip together, Jay. And you're like, that's not how I work. I mean, but I, I write jokes like, guess what?

[John Gabris]

This clip, I'm not putting this clip up. I'm not gonna put this clip up.

[Jay Jordan]

Now I have a team of people that transcribe this bullshit.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, but don't, but don't you feel like your audience is pretty cultivated? Like I feel like if I'm doing a show that's, that is mine and I'm that, you know what I mean, where I'm not like a guest. Yeah, the audience knows a little bit what's gonna happen. But often if you're fish out of water on someone else's show in their audience, oftentimes you find that it's not as easy like they're. I get, I, I could run into that a lot.

[Jay Jordan]

I'm definitely less mean to an audience member that talks when I'm on somebody else's show versus my show. I absolutely, I will make that person maybe not even want to talk when they.

[John Gabris]

Oh yeah, yeah. I kind of like have a workaround. Is that like I truly just speed blitz you with jokes. And I think that a lot of times crowds, after a certain point they'll be like, oh, not only does he have this, if I try to interject I'm going to miss something because I'm just like every 15 minutes, go, go, go. And that comes from like Chris Rock at one point, a long time ago was like, if you don't give them room or an opportunity to heckle, they really can't heckle. What is lead some of these outbursts are these open ended questions instead of these questions that are basically set up. I think a question should be a setup. A question should basically be a very precise kind of like pincer move where you go, I'm gonna get you here, I'm gonna get you here. So now the only thing you can answer is this. I'm never, I'm never gonna be like.

[Jay Jordan]

Oh, what do you do for a living?

[John Gabris]

Truly, I'm never gonna be like, oh, where are you from? What I wanna say is, is anyone here from the south get a lot of woos? Okay, so that means now. Oh, why would you ask that? I only have to write 10 jokes. These people to think, how do you know how, how. Oh my gosh, he has a Carolina joke. Of course. Yeah, of course. I didn't ask this question for.

[Jay Jordan]

I wouldn't have given you my Carolina joke if no one cheered.

[John Gabris]

Exactly. So sometimes people don't understand the kind of like faux nature and the kayfabe of crowd work.

[Jay Jordan]

Have you ever seen this? People are like, yes, I have. No, it's.

[John Gabris]

I'm just saying.

[Jay Jordan]

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[Adam Pally]

You're on the road a lot.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

But you're yolked to the.

[John Gabris]

You're shredded.

[Adam Pally]

Absolutely shredded.

[Jay Jordan]

And we're friends with Jay, but if you follow him on social media, you will learn that in one or two.

[John Gabris]

Usually. Usually you get a couple days and you go, wait a minute, I haven't.

[Jay Jordan]

Seen this guy's bulge in a minute. Thank God.

[John Gabris]

Okay, John has your promo picture. Is you in a Speedo.

[Jay Jordan]

So I'm Speedo boy too.

[Adam Pally]

You actually, you guys have both the amount of body on your profile and.

[John Gabris]

The funniest thing in the world is that like every other week and this actually is a very progressive, like energy on Twitter. Every other week on Twitter, gay men fight. They'll be like another guy with abs. And what they want is, they want like a full figured chubbier. Man. You remember what was the commercial where that guy was recently in a red Speedo. Do you know there was, that. There was a commercial where I was on CNN a lot. I'm showing like how old I am. I was watching cnn.

[Adam Pally]

Isaiah Mustafa, right?

[John Gabris]

No, there was a commercial and I think because it was cnn, so it probably was like for plaque. Psoriasis. Sorry, that's. That's all they do is like, truly.

[Adam Pally]

Like, honestly, someone called me the other day and they were like, do you have sleep apnea? And I was like, no, but I could get it.

[John Gabris]

So that commercial, this, this like bear basically was in a red Speedo and Twitter was feral for this man. They were like, I need this commercial.

[Jay Jordan]

So, yeah, based on my DMs there, they ouch you.

[Adam Pally]

I wonder, I wonder if my Jimmy John spots will shake up any.

[John Gabris]

I just want y' all to know this. There are a couple week. There are a couple of weekends in Provincetown and Fire island where John would have to pay for nothing. Okay.

[Jay Jordan]

A guy in my old gym in Brooklyn, he's looking at my old gym in Brooklyn, was like, like, there's Bear comedy week. There's Bear week at P Town. I think you should come out and do comedy. You would make a fortune. And then he goes. And then you could, like, sell your shirt to people in the audience. And I was like, wait, what was that last part? He's like, these will buy. They'll buy your shirt and underwear right off you. And this was, like, a gay one.

[John Gabris]

You know something? Those men, they'd be like, oh, no deodorant.

[Jay Jordan]

He really moisturizes coconut.

[Adam Pally]

We should do that.

[Jay Jordan]

Yes. I mean, I'm. I'm like, a year away from, like, only fans call me the pander bear. I'm like, he's eating another sandwich.

[John Gabris]

Oh, my God. That is so. That's so funny. I'm not gonna lie. Very, very northeastern. That's how people in northeast do. Say panda.

[Jay Jordan]

It's a panda. My mom is Italian and says, pastor.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, we ordered pasta for the T. That's the funniest.

[Adam Pally]

So you're on the road so much. How are you shredded?

[Jay Jordan]

Like, how are you staying alive?

[Adam Pally]

How is it impossible?

[John Gabris]

Because, like, I am lucky enough that, like, I discovered, like, the gym when I was 20, and so now we're going on, like, 15 plus years of, like, being in the gym, like, for at least three or four days a week.

[Adam Pally]

And when you say you discovered it, like, spiritually.

[John Gabris]

Spiritually, sort of. So I was like, when you realized.

[Jay Jordan]

You were gay, you were like, I better start that. The gay guy goes, hey, I didn't.

[Adam Pally]

Want to leave, but I was like.

[John Gabris]

When did a lot of people think it's the vaccines? It's not. It's the freeway. So.

[Adam Pally]

So you. You find it at 20?

[John Gabris]

Yeah. So I ended up rooming with these two, like, meatheads who, like, love the gym.

[Adam Pally]

In college.

[John Gabris]

And so. Yeah, in college. And so then they were going to the gym, and so then I was like, oh, man, I'll go to the gym. And then I had another friend who was an opera singer who also loved the gym, and then he was like, oh, come with me. I'll show you this kind of st. And so then I was like, oh, man, this really is, like, stuff I enjoy. I like the. I like the idea of, like, okay, I'm gonna write this stuff down. I'm gonna kind of do this set. Do this set coincidentally, like, if we look at, like, some of the through lines with comedy, I'm gonna execute this thing, and, you know, so it's gonna go good in some spots. It's gonna go okay in some spots. And then I'm gonna take that data, look at it, assess it and do.

[Jay Jordan]

It again until you got a tight hour.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. Right. Or.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, I didn't think of it in both ways.

[John Gabris]

Very kind of like routine and like incremental change. Yeah. Honing set.

[Jay Jordan]

Honing your set.

[John Gabris]

Yes. And like a payoff in the sense of like both community and like a little bit of like, people go, wait a second, I'm seeing some change. And also you have the people you're there with. So that's like when it started. And then you do kind of start to see the benefits as far as like social benefits and like sexual benefits and like relationships too. And then you kind of have to go, all right, there's a wall that you hit where you go, okay, well, like, what is this doing for me mentally? Am I getting positive feedback for the wrong things? So then, like, you kind of do have to. I had it when I was like, around 30. You have that body dysmorphia conversation with yourself as far as like, what am I trying to do? What do I want to do? What am I capable of? And then you get past the aesthetics and you start to go to the functionality of it. So now you're like, oh, what can I do? What do I feel comfortable doing? What doesn't. What doesn't hurt as much. So like, I've been through a couple of different gym phases. When I moved to New York City, I worked at the gayest gym in the city. Barton, David Barton. ASDURplay.

[Jay Jordan]

I mean, I've heard, I've heard of it.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Jay Jordan]

I used to work in the steam room.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, you got paid under the table.

[Jay Jordan]

I was under the table.

[Adam Pally]

And you never gave me the proper cut ever. That's why I had to fuck you up. Astroplace was gayer than Chelsea.

[John Gabris]

Oh, yeah. Cause Limelight was gay because it was a former nightclub that now was a gym.

[Adam Pally]

Right.

[John Gabris]

But Chelsea was still kind of like, nice. Astor Place was basically a steam room with also a gym with a pull down machine. Yeah, well, I think it's like the gym. The gym floor was really nice, but it would get so packed with like just gay dudes who were definitely there to work out for a little bit. And then like, fuck. Well, fuck in the steam room. Cruising room. Yeah. Because like, sometimes they were like, oh, maybe I'm not gonna hook up here. But I definitely, like, got the information and the contact that I want to hook up with so we can go back to wherever and.

[Adam Pally]

Cause like that place so hard with no phones.

[John Gabris]

Well, I mean, you can have phones.

[Adam Pally]

In the steam room.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

I never bring my phone in the steam room.

[John Gabris]

I mean, you don't. You're not supposed to, but like you can bring your phone. But like.

[Adam Pally]

Cause I dropped it once.

[John Gabris]

It was a but in the steam room. I don't even.

[Jay Jordan]

Don't drop the. You know, not to drop your phone in the steam room.

[John Gabris]

In the steam room. I don't even think the culture is a phone culture. It's like, it's like looks.

[Adam Pally]

Right, right, right. No, I mean, I'm talking about retaining information.

[Jay Jordan]

Well, you go by their locker.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[John Gabris]

Like, yeah, but like too neurotic for the whole scene anyway.

[Adam Pally]

I'm already thinking.

[John Gabris]

I mean, that gym to me also, like, it made me funny enough. It made me like a better comedian. It made me like a better like queer New Yorker. So I was really happy for that experience.

[Jay Jordan]

Cause you were getting like culture and community out of it.

[John Gabris]

Culture and community. And like Anderson Cooper was there. So like you had like high level gays and then you would just have like trashy gays. So you would see like the full spectrum of us.

[Adam Pally]

Like Andy Kong mushrooms.

[John Gabris]

And so like I love. There was like this huge disco ball that they had on the floor with like, like a DJ booth inside of it. And you were like, this is not. That's taking up so much space.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, but it's so like awesome.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. So that, that was like. I worked as a trainer. So then my relationship with my body and like with working out changed. And so I think that I look pretty good now. And like at 36, I'm kind of like, listen, I like where it's at. I never have to go crazier. Cause this is. It gets tricky whenever people post 40. You go crazy go, hey man, are you okay?

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah, no, maybe, maybe half your TRT does. Your head is a circle. You're turning a little pink. White people turn that hot dog color when they get on trt. They get like that Hulk Hogan hot dog.

[Adam Pally]

They look like baloney. They look like a hyper color T shirt where if you touch them, your.

[Jay Jordan]

Handprint will stay like. Rogan is like, you know, like white and pink speckled with like rock hard bezos.

[Adam Pally]

Like look like a pill. Yeah, they both look like a pill.

[John Gabris]

Whoa. It's so timely that like the red Hulk movie came out. Cause every, every joke was like white people just kind of look like this now. Just Harrison Ford, just mad Hulk. I think that like especially for boys and for comedy boys, so much of the self deprecation is like rooted in like wanting to make sure that, like, you're not alienating the audience.

[Adam Pally]

So, like, yeah, I was always taught, like, like, you want to do a joke about yourself.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Because that way it's like everyone knows that the first, the first target is me and I. And it like levels it. It like levels the playing for me.

[Jay Jordan]

It's a defense mechanism. It's like, I know you think I'm fat, but I already got four funny jokes. And so like, you can't even. Don't even like, go. Don't even let your. Because that's what I did growing up, right. I'd be the first one to say that that's why I'm comfortable being shirtless and nude. Because I was just like, no, deal with it. I have to go through the looking glasses to deal with my body issues.

[John Gabris]

And because there was a celebration of fat men in comedy and there were so many, like, I mean, if you just look at the history of like, who people go, oh, who's your favorite SNL performer? You go, well, it's probably gonna be two fat guys.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

And it's gonna be Will Ferrell. That one time he was in a Speedo and people were like, okay, he's kind of making fun of his body. So like, there's that long history of chubbier men being able to both make fun of the crowd and make fun of themselves that goes. I mean, this we're talking about going all the way back to like Honeymooners level. Like, the fat guy gets to be funny and loud and brash, and then a tiny woman gets to tell him off. And you go from that all the way to now that some people like getting in really good shape or getting in a conventionally attractive shape on stage, they go, oh, that kind of like, like that's the opposite of what they were doing. But then you got to go, well, no, cuz like Eddie was selling sex appeal in like a full on full leather outfit.

[Adam Pally]

Comedy is always. I, I think that that's the idea.

[Jay Jordan]

Own head though.

[Adam Pally]

Like, yeah, that's that misconception though now, like, I hear a lot of people be like, when did comedians get this hot? I want to be like, that's not true. Like, like comedians were always sexy.

[John Gabris]

Yes.

[Adam Pally]

They wanted to be sexier. Comedians want to be musicians. And they inevitably like.

[John Gabris]

But there's also such a. There's a line that you get past where it's diminishing returns. And a few people, notably over the past couple years, have kind of really gone up to that line. And now going over it where it's like, yeah, yeah, I know I'm hot. And you go, well, now you've said it, so we don't think it anymore.

[Adam Pally]

You can't say it.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Basically the, the thing, right? Like you can't lean in. Like once a comedian does the spread in Vanity Fair where they're in a suit in a pool, it's over. Your laughs diminish.

[John Gabris]

I don't, I don't think the Vanity Fair suit in the pool is the line. What I think is the line is kind of what I said at the top of this. There better be a twist on some of these images instead of them just being self serving. Cause if not, then you are kind of stepping out of the comedy.

[Adam Pally]

Is there anyone now doing it right?

[John Gabris]

Yeah, there are a lot of people doing it right. I think the big thing you say now instead of I'm hot is you say you're a slut. Slut. Yeah. You don't say you're hot, you say like you're fucking alive. Yeah.

[Jay Jordan]

Then you're like sex positive rather than conceited.

[John Gabris]

Exactly, exactly. The person who I whose public image.

[Adam Pally]

Though, like, who are you? Like, oh, that's a comedian that I can stand.

[John Gabris]

Oh, who I get. There are tons of people.

[Adam Pally]

No, but like.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, like, but you mean are like a sexy person.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

Who also. Well, listen, Dane Cook now, now I would let him babysit my 16 year old in a heartbeat. Game night. Game night with a 16 year old. Come on. That's how you met. At a game class.

[Adam Pally]

I don't wanna, I just, I'm hiking with him later at Runyon.

[John Gabris]

Oh my goodness. I think that a person who like has tons of sex appeal and still is very funny and both plays with the sex appeal and the very funny of it all and is hot. Zack Fox is so funny and so sexy at the same time. And cool. And you'll see him really do the dance and go in between these things where you go, is he a genius? Is he stupid? Is he funny? Is he sexy? And he's literally.

[Adam Pally]

Is he silly?

[John Gabris]

He's like. And it's really kind of, of getting people, getting people off their footing. They don't know. And that kind of like instability is very sexy because we go, I don't know what he's gonna do next.

[Adam Pally]

For me, for me it's Tim Robinson skateboarding.

[John Gabris]

Okay.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, because I'm like, yes. Tim Robinson skateboarding is like.

[John Gabris]

Because he's good.

[Adam Pally]

He's.

[John Gabris]

And he's cool and he likes doing it.

[Adam Pally]

Looks so freaking cool.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah. It's not a put on and it's not a put on.

[Adam Pally]

And he's got good style.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

And he looks good in his clothing.

[Jay Jordan]

And he's fucking hysterical.

[Adam Pally]

And he lost a little weight.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. Okay.

[Adam Pally]

And I don't. My boy would be like, yeah, I. He lost a little weight from.

[John Gabris]

From.

[Adam Pally]

From when he was on SNL to now. He looks good. He's got a cool haircut.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

And he's skateboarding. And still, to me, the funniest man alive.

[John Gabris]

I'm glad, cuz. Well, I mean, both of the Detroiters have both of those things where, like.

[Jay Jordan]

You go, Sammy, you can look at that as the money glow up, though.

[Adam Pally]

But Sam is less. Sam is handsome. I would say Sam is leading man handsome.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

In a way that. That is different. Tim's style, unique style is more like. Comes out, but he rides skateboards. Like, Sam is like, you know, plays music.

[John Gabris]

You're talking about damn things. And if I would show my grandmother a picture of him, she'd be like, oh, who is this? You know what I mean? His grandmama handsome. Oh, you know, grandma's. Wait a minute.

[Adam Pally]

My aunt came to visit us on Champagne Ile at and was legit doing the thing when he walked away.

[Jay Jordan]

She got the vapors.

[Adam Pally]

She got the vapor. She was like, I did not know that Sam Richardson was such, you know, what you do?

[John Gabris]

I was like, sam, if you combine cheekbones, a little smile, and like, some Midwest beef.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[Jay Jordan]

Like, that's unstoppable.

[John Gabris]

It really is.

[Adam Pally]

Also, talk about good vibes. Like, Sam is he. He projects love and.

[John Gabris]

Yes.

[Adam Pally]

And. And like, you could sit in a car with him.

[Jay Jordan]

You feel good around him, you feel.

[Adam Pally]

Good around Sam, and that makes him happy, hot.

[John Gabris]

Listen. And some of these intangibles, like, people will never know how to articulate it, but they'll be like, oh, that's the vibe I was getting the kids. Right now, everyone's trying to be like, aura online. They're talking about auras, which you kind of go, yeah, like energy. And they go, no, it's different. You go, nothing's that brand new.

[Jay Jordan]

We have the same word, like, for gener. Like, it's been 25. It's like aura, energy. Like, it's all this. It's all the same. It's Juno Sequoia.

[Adam Pally]

Charisma.

[John Gabris]

Well, well, like, the charisma aspect of it, I think, is also the ability to be funny or at least charming in a bunch of different mediums. So what people are surprised by now is because they've seen so many people be funny on screen or funny with the script and then kind of stilted and unfunny and uncomfortable in interviews. Now if you do well on screen and you do two good interviews, one sitting down talking about the project or one on the Internet, people go, oh my gosh, where'd they get all this charisma? As comedians, we go, oh, baby, you used to have to have it. You used to have to be funny around people.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah, now, now it's kind of you gotta do all these multimedia approaches, but coming up, if you weren't popping off immediately in movies, you had to be able to do it all.

[John Gabris]

You could go to MTV2 and sit down and be funny a little bit. They'd be like, we can't do anything with you.

[Jay Jordan]

Right?

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, that's how we got paid. I mean, that's how you got paid, from being quicker than about nothing.

[John Gabris]

So it's like, wake up nothing.

[Adam Pally]

Wake up and be quick. And. And like nothing's kind of. Nothing's changed. I mean.

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[John Gabris]

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Sign what?

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[John Gabris]

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[Jay Jordan]

I want to jump back to working out for a second.

[John Gabris]

Let's talk about it. Yeah.

[Jay Jordan]

What, what, what's, what's your lifting journey been? Are you on like a bro? Like, what are you doing these days? Are you on a bro split?

[John Gabris]

Are you on like, are you doing.

[Jay Jordan]

Chest tries anything holistic?

[Adam Pally]

Are you in your yoga?

[John Gabris]

So what I'm doing, what my split currently is, is I try to make sure I have four days and I can split that into upper, upper, lower, lower, and then I can like differentiate that however I'm feeling cuz after 30, it's what you want to do, but also what can I do?

[Jay Jordan]

Call me at after 40. Son.

[Adam Pally]

On those, on those three days, are you doing nothing or were you like steps?

[John Gabris]

I'll still like ride a bike around. I'll like definitely get steps in. I mean I live on a fourth floor walk up. So like steps are never going. Yeah, well. Cause like in, in the city, like whenever you're running around doing spots and you're like train. Then walking and then back home and then going to see people and going out, you. The minute you go to a different city and you're in a hotel room and you're like drive and you're getting driven to a show, you're like, oh, I. I didn't walk at all. Wait a second, I didn't walk at all today. I did not.

[Adam Pally]

Los Angeles is culture shock for me.

[Jay Jordan]

When I get walked there, I culture shock other people in Los Angeles with how frequently I walk. It makes people like see people look at me like I'm crazy.

[John Gabris]

No, there's a, there's a thing in the south and in Los Angeles, if people see you walking somewhere, they go, hey, you all right?

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

Okay.

[Adam Pally]

Something happened.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah. Where is your car?

[John Gabris]

Yeah. If you see someone walking with purpose in Los Angeles, they'll be like, she's not worth it. Whatever you about to do.

[Adam Pally]

Even running, I feel like someone will pull up to and be like, there's a private gym down the block.

[Jay Jordan]

You're almost at the equinox.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. Yeah. Working out for me right now is I want to make sure. Sure I'm getting some pull ups in. I want to make sure I'm getting body weight stuff. I also want to make sure that the numbers just aren't decreasing. That's it. I. I don't really care about putting up PRs as much anymore. I'm not try. I'm not at the combine. I don't.

[Jay Jordan]

Right.

[John Gabris]

Like if for me, if I wanted to like, be like, okay, I'm gonna make sure. I'm like, doing these numbers on bench. I'm doing these numbers on squat. I'm doing these numbers on deadlift. For a big three. Some of it would be superficial. Some of it would just be like, so I can post it.

[Jay Jordan]

Right.

[John Gabris]

But, like, right now, if I'm being honest, the last time I deadlifted, I was. I was like, doing it and then halfway through and I ended up writing a fun joke about it. I was like, yeah, deadlifting is cute. But, like, I feel like I'm just practicing to help someone move a couch. Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. What's the practicality?

[John Gabris]

The practicality is you still want to be able to bend. You still want to be able to lift heavier things from a low exterior chain. Pop it off, you want to hit that entire posterior chain. And you also want to make sure. Sure that it's. It's a good indication of overall strength. And people are going to use some of these metrics to determine, like, some of your health outcomes. That's what they say.

[Adam Pally]

And like, oh, I thought you were gonna say in the upcoming.

[Jay Jordan]

The thing about the deadlift is, to be honest, it is the lift you do the most in real life.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Jay Jordan]

You're rarely ever like, oh, you want me to help you move that? Hold on, I'll get underneath it.

[Adam Pally]

It's the section of the gym. It's the section of the gym that I do the least. Like, I do do the least deadlifting and the least, like, row. Not rows, but bent over row.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

Well, just. It's tough because both, like from a risk analysis cost. Yeah.

[Jay Jordan]

The lower back issues.

[John Gabris]

The lower back. If, if they're. If we are intelligently designed. That part wasn't because everyone's lower back gets fucked. Like, it's.

[Jay Jordan]

But I think it's because we became. And for me personally, like, like, I'm. I'm a person who sits a lot.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Jay Jordan]

I have a gut and I'm very quad. Quad centric.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Jay Jordan]

So deadlift is like my end. Like. And I powerlifted for a while too and competed in meets. And the. My squat was equal to my deadlift. And most people's deadlifts are most people's.

[John Gabris]

Deadlifts who are, like, super strong. You'd be like, oh, my God, you're insane.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[Jay Jordan]

I wanted to get 405 so bad. I mean, I squatted. I squatted 407 in a meet and I deadlifted 411. Most people could deadlift. If you can squat 405. Most people could deadlift 500. I just don't. I'm also tall for a power lifter.

[John Gabris]

So I got the long legs, so.

[Jay Jordan]

I got the long. The long levers.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Well, it's just something I never. It's just a training a part of like being in the gym. I never walked over towards.

[John Gabris]

What I would even say to people is because so much of this is like, also rooted in like, male ego is like, you have to start to take ego out of it. So like, for a lot of people, the reason they want to deadlift is so they can have the bar, have the plates, have the noise, hear the noise, pick it up, make the face, drop it. Really kind of.

[Adam Pally]

See, I don't want anything of that.

[John Gabris]

Well, you're. You're in such the minority.

[Adam Pally]

I. I don't want people to. To. I cuz I look like I'm dying. Like the, the maximum effort that I'm giving on any exercise. Like once, once I start exercising, it's so hard. Yeah. And I am so winded. And it's such a mess. It's like, it's similar to when I'm eating a salad. It's just like a blood draft and like, because my teeth are all ganked up, just like getting it all in there and like, it's just like a whirlwind of behav. And like, I don't want to be noticed. I want. I want to do it myself, you know, like, solid. I don't mind working with a trainer.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

But I don't. I don't want any attention on me from the room.

[John Gabris]

Well, that is like. I mean, that's kind of like the thing that's gotten less than great about gym culture now is that a lot of people, what they want is they want to do something and then you'll see them, they'll be like, y'. All. Y' all see that?

[Adam Pally]

Oh, yeah, I know that look.

[John Gabris]

Y' all see me?

[Jay Jordan]

If they don't already have a tripod set up next to them.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, right. Yeah, they're all filming in there. It's almost like the casinos and gyms have become similar influencer spaces. We were talking about, like, on my feed. Yeah, I get a ton of gambling influencers.

[John Gabris]

Well, geez. I mean, not just gambling influencers. It's bigger than influencers now. It's both influencers and like just gambling companies like FanDuel and DraftKings. What's wild is that if you did know it was for sports gambling, you'd be like, what's that? Was that a commercial for. Yeah, you'd be like, is Jamie Foxx.

[Jay Jordan]

Jamie Foxx.

[Adam Pally]

Listen. Yeah, Going on.

[John Gabris]

You'd be like.

[Adam Pally]

And it's like, I love that part of the song. It's like the same damn, Pauline. I sing it all the time.

[Jay Jordan]

Well.

[John Gabris]

Cause, like, it is a hard. And this is so. I'm a. You two are actually very smart people to talk this about. When you're capturing the attention of young men right now, there are these weird areas where if you just say it, it's almost like a winter soldier piece of their brain is unlocked. Where if you go, well, Jim, Jim, Jim, they go, yes, Jim, Jim, Jim. If you go parlays, parlays, parlays. Betting, betting, betting. They go, parl sports. Yes, you can kind of cold plunge, cold plunge, cold plunge, cold plunge, cold plunge. Beef tallow. Beef tallow.

[Adam Pally]

All of our. It's like we're all being fed. As much as we're being pushed apart by the Internet and joining little subcultures of hate all over, we are also being, like, pushed together in. In it. Because there are certain things that are like, if you're a man of this stature and you're. And you are to, like, you're way more jacked than I am. I bet we've both saved someone's workout that we like.

[John Gabris]

Oh, my God.

[Adam Pally]

Which means we are both getting the same beef.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

You know, collagen powder ad. And so that way, when you're dead inside for most of the day, and then someone's like, beef collagen.

[Jay Jordan]

You're like, if I have to see one more Instagram post of a cutting board with eggs, steak, avocado, I get like 12 of those a day.

[Adam Pally]

I got one that looked so awful. It was this guy who was like, this is what I eat all day, every day. I'm 79 years old.

[John Gabris]

No.

[Adam Pally]

Yak to the fucking moon. Here's what I eat. It's one orange pepper seeds out. Instead of those seeds, I put sunflower seeds on that cayenne pepper on another half of an apple, then barbecue sauce, smash it together. And then he's eating it, and he's like, I'm telling you, dude, that tastes just like a McRib. And I was like, like, what the. Am I watching?

[John Gabris]

Like, why that? I mean, but the culture is such. Especially for young men online. It's like, when. When we're talking about health, there's like, all these, like, different questions and approaches, but for them, a lot of times, health isn't necessarily health and wellness. It's like, how do I indicate that I'm the right kind of man to everybody? Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

And how do I make money? How do I cut through?

[John Gabris]

Well, that's also tying like economic.

[Jay Jordan]

That's the meta game of it all too, is that all this shit is also like, I not only do I want to be the person who is on the Carnivore diet, I want you to know I'm on it. And that's how I tell you I'm a man. But then I also want to get followers for being.

[Adam Pally]

And I want free Carnivore diet products and I want them to eventually pay me. And now I'm part of the carnivore.

[John Gabris]

And guess what? It gets even crazier because then you go, man, you have so many good takes on health and wellness and nutrition. Can you tell me how I should date? And we go, I'm glad you asked. This is why women are only after your money.

[Adam Pally]

Then it gets even crazier because it's, it's like, I really don't want to hear any of your dating things. It's like, wait till I tell you that the world is flat.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jay Jordan]

Well, that's, that's the main issue is.

[Adam Pally]

That I'm really off the. I don't want.

[John Gabris]

And then you as a, as a listener, Adam Pal, you know what happens at the final part of this? They go. And we don't have to say it, but we know who controls the weather.

[Adam Pally]

So you really do this. That happen so often.

[John Gabris]

We talked about Austin. I mean, it's not a joke in the sense that, like, what happens is there are these very slippery slopes of people. It starts with people going, well, I mean, why do all the managers have this last name? You go, no, no, no, no, no.

[Adam Pally]

Exactly.

[John Gabris]

And sometimes you're trying to explain like, I'll try to explain like Borscht Belt style comedy and the inclusion of certain ethnic and minority enclaves in entertainment because every other taken from them and. Or this was the one place where they put up with Jewish people, they put up with black people.

[Jay Jordan]

And so we're talking borscht and chitlin.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, true. And so then when you explain that and you kind of go, okay, now extrapolate that into the future and have a guess as to why there are people who have been like, involved in comedy for a long time. It's not that they control anything. You kind of go, this is the same thing as being like, this is a family business. This is something that people have been doing for a long time. But then people go, no, actually you can't make a joke about Jewish people because Jewish people control comedy. And you go, if you could make jokes about Jewish people, a lot of those Jewish people wouldn't be able to work.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah, what would they talk about?

[Adam Pally]

That's my whole thing. I have nothing else left. And a lot of my Jewish jokes, like, are not the ones where people are like, haha, I like that.

[John Gabris]

Especially for the past two years.

[Adam Pally]

No, exactly. You know, it's a tough time. Jewish comedians.

[Jay Jordan]

We touched on something that's like kind of like the end of expertise, where.

[John Gabris]

Oh yes, there's a book about that. There's a book titled. There's a book that just came out about that.

[Jay Jordan]

Oh, I'm sure. Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Damn it. You can't write yours.

[Jay Jordan]

I never will. I'm still sitting on my idea of the south beach dialect.

[John Gabris]

Well, John is also self aware enough to be like, you know what, I'm an expert. So I'm gonna write this book called the end of expertise.

[Adam Pally]

Let's close this loop.

[Jay Jordan]

But there's like an element of, of like we used to listen to this person about this thing because that's what they focused on, but now people just see. And I'm using Joe Rogan as an example. I think it's a little more fractured than that. But why not listen to the guy about MMA training or standup comedy? Like that's two things. He's done a lot. And you would like or hosting fear. But when he starts talking about like global politics and stuff, you're like, wait, he's not an expert on this. But now, now people don't go, they don't care that he's not an expert. They go, I just listen to Joe or I listen to yeah, Los Culturistas, like whoever. It might be like all over the spectrum. I just do do what they say.

[Adam Pally]

Like, I don't know, there's something about like the. The fourth and fifth hour of the Joe Rogan podcast.

[John Gabris]

Okay, yeah, yeah.

[Adam Pally]

That is what I'm is. Do you know what I mean? Like, it's like we're here, like we're doing. It's. It's so hard to criticize podcasting on a podcast.

[John Gabris]

No, but you can talk about what.

[Adam Pally]

We are doing is like the loosest of loose hooks, where it's like we're going to talk to our friends and just get into their gym and their diet and like find out spiritually how what they're doing. Like just a little bit, and then.

[Jay Jordan]

Or 45 minutes on the state of the comedy.

[John Gabris]

Comedy, for me is part of, like. It's part of the m that I if the only way that I can ever tell. Talk to the history of race relations in America, what it means to be a queer man right now, what it means to, like, talk to a group about a group sometimes. And, like, figuring shit out used to be, like, part of the therapeutic aspect of comedy. Because for me, comedy can be therapeutic, but it'll never be therapy. So there is a level of like. Well, it's true. There's a level of like, oh, I'm happy I got this thought out. I'm happy I got to, like, dance a little with this. And then I'm also happy I got to eat this, and I'm happy I got to work out to this, and I'm happy I got to listen to this music. I'm happy I got to read this. And to me, those are all parts of, like, overall health and wellness.

[Jay Jordan]

Oh. For our younger listeners, reading is, like, the thing where you open a book and, like, look at the words.

[Adam Pally]

Okay, so a book is a thing where the weeds.

[John Gabris]

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[Jay Jordan]

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[John Gabris]

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[Jay Jordan]

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[John Gabris]

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[Jay Jordan]

I love Geico's fast and friendly claim service.

[John Gabris]

Well, that's how Geico gets 97 customer satisfaction.

[Jay Jordan]

Anyway, that's all. Enjoy the rest of your food. No worries.

[John Gabris]

So are you just gonna watch me eat? Oh, sorry.

[Jay Jordan]

Just a little starstruck.

[John Gabris]

I'll be on my way. If you're gonna stick around, just pull up a chair.

[Jay Jordan]

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[Adam Pally]

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[Jay Jordan]

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[Adam Pally]

Do you ever feel biased on being a ripped comedian? Do you feel like sometimes when you walk in the room, people are like.

[John Gabris]

Or.

[Adam Pally]

Or even. I'll take it one step further. A man of taste and style.

[John Gabris]

Okay.

[Adam Pally]

Because Mo, a lot of our conversations, especially when we're on the same bill, will be. Will be excluded.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. Well.

[Jay Jordan]

Because there's something.

[Adam Pally]

And we will end up talking alone because people don't share our interests.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Do you ever. Do you ever feel like, oh, God, they. They're. They're like, No.

[John Gabris]

I think about it more so in the sense of, like, if people know me for, like, coming to shows and looking kind of cute, then that's great. I don't think that every comedian needs to. Perfect example. I don't think every comedian needs to look cute and cool and fun in the same way. I think that there's here. And here are two perfect examples. So you have people like Sydney Washington and Marie Fouson who, like, are super fucking models who are funny as shit, look gorgeous and are so silly, but also, like, just come to a show and you go, oh. Oh, my God, someone get a picture of this. And then you have. You also have people who look so fun and crazy and beautiful, and they're like Sarah Sherman who comes to the show, and you go, someone get a picture of this. Those are. What is that? Blood? Like, those two things, both are highly stylized, intentional choices by how comedians want to look on shows. So I love, like, a full kind of, like, palette of those choices. So when we talk about, like, a new Amelandor thing or when we talk about, like, a new silly barber jacket, I think we need that comic just as much as we need the guy in the T shirt.

[Adam Pally]

Right.

[John Gabris]

You know? Well, there is.

[Jay Jordan]

There is.

[John Gabris]

Yeah. You're not even wearing a T shirt.

[Jay Jordan]

In a wine shirt, shorts almost every time.

[Adam Pally]

No, but I would say say that.

[John Gabris]

That.

[Adam Pally]

That the T shirt comic, because.

[John Gabris]

And I'm saying that in a T shirt right now.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. No, no. Yeah. But we're not on stage. Like.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

I was. I was always told coming up in improv that you don't want to stick out.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

And you don't want to overshadow and you don't want to look worse than the audience.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Like, the two things that I was always told is like, don't. And. And those things.

[Jay Jordan]

That's definitely changed. That's more than ucb. That's more like early odds. Right.

[Adam Pally]

But that's what I was.

[John Gabris]

The vibe now. Because the vibe now to me does seem to be like, we do want. Are. And why we're gonna like you.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah. Improv, I feel like, was, you know, the original kind of pyramid comedy, pyramid scheme in that way. So a lot of it is, like, don't stand out.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

You want to be the best team. You all look the same and, like, that's the best. We all wear black T shirts. We all wear suits. We all. It's like, don't. Don't show me who you are. Show me how good you are at being everybody else.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

And that keeps people down, but also.

[John Gabris]

Lifts teams and makes for some great.

[Adam Pally]

Sketches and amazing comedy.

[John Gabris]

And, like, the hard part to explain both, like, being a kind of Swiss army knife that can be put in any situation and being, like, part of this hyper, individualistic pursuit that is comedy, is that when people do it, do both well, you basically see them clicking their brains on and off in whatever scenario they need to be in. Cause sometimes you'll watch a sketch and you'll be like, that person is gonna be an amazing standup. And sometimes you see a person kind of just melt into the world of the sketch and go, oh, this is so fucking good. So it is like a. It's just different.

[Jay Jordan]

You can be verse.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You have to be verse once it's. Jon, listen, once again, Bear week in P Town with Giant.

[Adam Pally]

You can be. But. But it is also, like, I think that it has changed in a good way, because now you are supposed to go out there and, like, you are. You know, I think it helps that.

[Jay Jordan]

UCB got way less white and male, because once everyone starts looking different, then you can start dressing.

[John Gabris]

Exactly.

[Adam Pally]

But even stand up too. Like. Like, it's. It was crazy to have, like. Like Sarah Silverman used to play down her. Her looks. You know what I mean? And, like, now you.

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[Jay Jordan]

You don't have to do that. The medium has change that. It's way more visual. Even when there was film specials, it was like, you wear a shirt and tie or a T shirt and a jacket or something. Now everyone's like, no, be yourself up there.

[John Gabris]

Well, the advice. I mean, sadly, the Sarah Silverman aspect of that is, like, totally rude in the fact that she was, like, so young, so pretty, and around the most lecherous old men before they were Filming everything.

[Jay Jordan]

Horrible.

[John Gabris]

So, like, if you think about how pretty she is and pretty she was, if she would have came to some of those shows dolled up, I don't even want to think about what was said to her backstage and on stage, just. Cause, like.

[Adam Pally]

But that's. That's. And that goes for Sarah Silverman and every woman ever on any herald Ever. Any woman in the world.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, any woman in the world. But, like, I mean, there was a point where, like, I do remember seeing a big shift around 2018, 2019, where, like, there was photographers at a lot of shows, and then, like, everyone started trying to be like, oh, well, let me make sure I look cute for this photo. So I do.

[Jay Jordan]

Let me wear a different shirt.

[Adam Pally]

Well, the comedy.

[Jay Jordan]

That's what I. That's what I had to learn is, oh, if we're taking photos, I can't have my comedy anymore.

[Adam Pally]

The comedy photo, it's like, I really missed my fricking window with a comedy photo.

[John Gabris]

Because I don't look like this, Adam.

[Adam Pally]

No, because I was like, there was a time where I was doing shows every week and banging fits, like, you know, because it was my 25 and was 25, and at the top of my comedic improv game where, like, I could. I was on. I could do a scene with anything about anybody who's, like, I was the funniest one in the room, and I look good. No one took a picture of that shit.

[John Gabris]

There was just one.

[Adam Pally]

One picture on a wall where I was, like, in a corner. Now every time I show up, it's like, even, like, Joda Apatow was, like, looking in the mirror the other night.

[Jay Jordan]

I'm like, I'm 43. I can't believe I take a photo tonight. Look, Jay, we got to get you out of here for your own sanity. But before we leave, Adam asked me a question yesterday that maybe we can bring to you.

[John Gabris]

Please. Do you.

[Jay Jordan]

Do you do a PWO shake? Do you do a protein shake?

[John Gabris]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jay Jordan]

And should Adam add that to his repertoire after he works?

[John Gabris]

Yes. Do a protein shake. You can. Are you. Do you like a shaker, or do you want it to be more of a smoothie? I don't.

[Adam Pally]

I prefer a smoothie. Like, my. What I've been doing lately is, is I take a green juice to the gym.

[John Gabris]

Okay.

[Adam Pally]

And I'll, like, first part of warm up. I'll, like, get my sweat going and, like, quench my thirst with my green juice. And then when I'm into my workout, it's water.

[John Gabris]

Okay. This Is what I. This is the only thing that I will say. I will say after any sort of strength and resistance training, if you do want to maximize the potential anabolic benefits.

[Jay Jordan]

In that anabolic window of you're working.

[John Gabris]

Out and the micro trauma that your muscle tissues have gone through when they go back to rebuild, we a fast digesting whey protein after that within like a couple of hours. Some people go, it needs to be 20 minutes. No, you have like a couple of hours. It will benefit you. And you'll also not go to the gym and then be like, oh, I'm so hungry, I'm gonna eat a bunch of stuff that's not necessarily gonna make me feel bad, but that you could easily get that amount of protein in one scoop and you can do water or whatever milk product you want.

[Adam Pally]

Do they make like a peanut butter version?

[Jay Jordan]

Oh my God, bro, my cousin is a meathead. His fucking. I'm staying with him.

[John Gabris]

Cosmic brownie flavored. They have so they have so many flavors of protein powders now that they have cereal collab.

[Jay Jordan]

Here's Cocoa Pebbles.

[Adam Pally]

Do you have any cannabis infused protein?

[John Gabris]

I mean you can infuse, you can infuse it, you can do the cannabis just yourself.

[Jay Jordan]

But if you put cannabutter some whey protein and some coconut milk in a glass, hell yeah.

[Adam Pally]

I think we need to open a breakfast bar.

[Jay Jordan]

I think, I think, I think we should and put it on the list. We're going to start selling post workout.

[Adam Pally]

Drinks, cannabis in them.

[John Gabris]

Yeah, the big, the big protein. The big protein hacks. Like there's, there's nothing that's over the past 20 years. Because I was kind of like right when it started to blow up on social media. The big things that everyone kind of keeps going back to is making sure that like you're getting adequate amounts of protein for the amount of lifting that you want to do, but then also making sure you have enough fats for energy and have enough carbohydrates. Cuz so many people, we get into these weird like cycles where people, they get so strict, they get so restrictive that people are like, I'm going to put my body through ketosis as far as like losing them. And like every time people do it they go, wait a second, I feel kind of weird. They go, yeah, you probably do. Yeah. I don't think if you know how many sugars, I mean carbohydrates like make up your body. You pro. You still need them.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

The people who are like don't even look at a piece of Bread, you're like, well, that's not gonna work out. Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[Jay Jordan]

Maybe you don't need white processed bread, but you do need carbs.

[John Gabris]

You'll see the people who swear by it, and the minute you bring a carb around them, they're like, can I smell it?

[Adam Pally]

Yeah.

[John Gabris]

Can I taste it? Yeah. No. No.

[Adam Pally]

I, I have the opposite problem where if a, if a cheese pizza is put down, I get myself sick.

[John Gabris]

Oh, that's awesome. I'm also happy that y' all are talking about health and wealth, wellness, but also, like, talking about it. I don't know. A more holistic approach is always going to be helpful, because for some people, when they do, like, a fitness podcast or they do a health podcast, it is so kind of like, this is what you need to do. Or it's, like, so restrictive because, like, I come up with so many jokes while I'm in the gym. I come up with so many thoughts while I'm in the gym. So that is part of both my mental health and my job.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, Well, I mean, it's like, that's like driving, like, a lot of times, like, the times where I have my most. Like, I'll write a bit down in a voice up because your, your mind's not on that.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Adam Pally]

And so you're free to, like, think of the most abstract things. Yeah.

[Jay Jordan]

For me, the gym is like that freeing mentally, but it also gives me a little notch of confidence that I think will help. That clearly helps me later on when I'm performing or the next day, you just feel a little better. When my, when my traps are a little sore or my buys are a little creaky, I just feel like I'm more alive.

[Adam Pally]

You.

[John Gabris]

Do you think that also there's a level of reclamation, because if, like, you're not. Like, I was a skinny kid who was always trying to be funny, and, like, if you're a little boy who was always funny. The gym, before you go into it, you go, this is the most intimidating place ever. I do not know how. And then the minute you start to feel comfortable there, you're like, okay, actually, I can take up space. I feel, I feel allowed to be here.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, I still don't truly, truly have that. It's something that I want more is like, I, I don't, I don't have that feeling in the gym yet. Like, I'm, I'm allowed to be here, take up space. I, I, I routinely have the feeling of, like, I just want as little space possible here so that I can do my little mouse exercise in this little area of the room and then, like, get out of here, you know?

[Jay Jordan]

There's rarely anything I can credit to Long island, but Long island is gym culture. I joined a gym in, like, ninth grade.

[John Gabris]

Oh, my God.

[Jay Jordan]

I joined Gold's Gym.

[John Gabris]

Gold's Gym. That's like that. I mean, that's legendary.

[Jay Jordan]

It was awesome.

[John Gabris]

Gold's Gym's tanks used to be, like.

[Jay Jordan]

Every time I buy one on ebay, it never fits right. My nips are always out on the side.

[John Gabris]

I hate.

[Adam Pally]

Isn't that fitting, right?

[Jay Jordan]

No, not when you see it on me. It does not look right. Okay. I look like I'm wearing someone else's superhero costume.

[Adam Pally]

Jay, thank you so much.

[John Gabris]

Sorry. Ate your time.

[Adam Pally]

Yeah, we ate you up.

[John Gabris]

I love. I love talking. I love hanging out with y'.

[Adam Pally]

All.

[John Gabris]

Thank you.

[Adam Pally]

So funny. Awesome.

[Jay Jordan]

Oh, this is a real pleasure.

[Adam Pally]

Jay's amazing.

[Jay Jordan]

Oh, it was such a great talk. I. I can't believe we didn't get him to get his shirt off.

[Adam Pally]

But, you know, I almost feel like it's better that we didn't, because if Jerry OConnell would have seen that and been.

[Jay Jordan]

He wanted to come back on, and.

[Adam Pally]

He would have been devastated.

[Jay Jordan]

Also, big ups to Jay for. After our winding road conversation about comedy, he goes, you know, this actually is part of my health and wellness journey. And we were like, yes. Making this make sense for our.

[Adam Pally]

You know, I'm already seeing that our podcast is going to have a bunch of different buckets.

[Jay Jordan]

Well, we do have a holistic approach. We're not sitting here going, like, cardio and weights. Like, we're talking about all kinds of. We talked about. We've been talking about ketamine. We've been talking about.

[Adam Pally]

I mean, I think. I think the podcast can have these different things where it's like, sometimes it will be about ketamine therapy with a real licensed doctor. You know, it's like the whole thing. It's the whole gamut of life, which is kind of what we're searching for, and all this, which is balance.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, fuck, I'm. I'm. Plus, also, this is what we want to talk about. You know what I mean? And, like, to getting to talk about what we want to talk.

[Adam Pally]

Are you going to work out today?

[Jay Jordan]

I just might. I just might have enough time.

[Adam Pally]

I hope I do. Yeah. I hope I do.

[Jay Jordan]

This we are. This is our third episode we've recorded in a row, so I am a little bit.

[Adam Pally]

I think I might be able to.

[Jay Jordan]

Well, hey, you get that fitness in do me a favor and stay alive. You have been listening to Staying Alive with John Gabris and Adam Pepper Pali, a Smartless Media production in association with.

[Adam Pally]

Sirius xm Produced by Devin Tory Bryant and Anne Harris. Engineered and edited by Devin Tory Bryant, who also wrote the music.

[Jay Jordan]

Associate producer and video producer is Maddie McCann social media producer Tommy Galgano assistant engineer Kyle McGraw.

[Adam Pally]

Special thanks to Jared O' Connell at SiriusXM.

[Jay Jordan]

Executive producers are John Gabris, me, Adam Pally. Ooh, you will Arnett, Jason Baitman, Sean Hayes, Richard Corson and Bernie Kaminsky. Do us a favor. Just rate and review the podcast. It actually helps.

[Adam Pally]

Just so everyone knows we do not.

[Jay Jordan]

Have a discord, don't reach out to us.

[Adam Pally]

See us on the street. Walk the other way or you'll catch hands.

[Jay Jordan]

We are comedians.

[John Gabris]

Yeah.

[Jay Jordan]

We are not experts on health and wellness. Truly, we are not experts on almost anything. Except for maybe comedy.

[John Gabris]

My personal trainer license has lapsed.

[Adam Pally]

So is my driver's license.

[John Gabris]

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[Adam Pally]

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[John Gabris]

Nice.

[Adam Pally]

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