PROSECUTE. FAUCI. NOW. | 8/14/26

Summary

Steve Deace Show — PROSECUTE. FAUCI. NOW. | 8/14/26

Episode Overview

On this episode of the Steve Deace Show, the crew dives with characteristic candor, snark, and moral intensity into a week of major stories shaping conservative discourse. The main focuses are: the recent push in Massachusetts for late-term abortion laws, the ongoing fallout and demands for accountability regarding Dr. Anthony Fauci’s COVID-era decisions and revelations, the controversial Tucker Carlson–Hunter Biden interview, and a heated Feedback Friday segment responding to in-depth audience critiques.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Woke One Was Crazy: The Week in Review Montage

Segment starts ~[02:13]

• Aaron McIntyre debuts a weekly montage highlighting far-left rhetoric and controversial positions taken by progressives on issues like abolishing police/prisons, immigration, and gender identity in sports.
• Steve Dace and the panel react sharply to the normalization of positions previously considered radical, especially in the context of abortion and gender ideology.

Notable Quote (Robino):

"...Mara Healey from Massachusetts signing the infanticide bill that everybody was sitting around cheering and clapping for... That was the absolute disgusting worst part of the entire week." [07:18]

Discussion:

• Robino (Blaze Editor) decries Massachusetts’ new abortion law, painting it as legalized infanticide and calling on Catholic bishops for excommunication of those responsible.
• Dace connects these developments to his personal experience—his daughter’s recent childbirth—and reflects on the evolution of technology and understanding about gestation and fetal development since Roe v. Wade.
• The group agrees that the time for "defensive" pro-life rhetoric is over; they advocate for more assertive stances from men, who Dace argues "have to end this" era of legalized abortion.

Notable Quote (Steve Dace):

"If we were talking about a group of women gathering to commit murder in any other context except the womb, would it be controversial to say that they are accessories to murder and should be prosecuted as such?" [15:18]

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2. Prosecute Fauci Now: COVID Revelations and Demands for Justice

Starts at [20:26]

• Aaron McIntyre reveals unearthed texts from Fauci’s phone showing he privately warned about COVID vaccine-induced miscarriage risks while promoting the vaccine’s safety for pregnant women publicly.
• The hosts, joined by Robino, call for prosecution and accountability, ridiculing media and establishment figures who shielded or excused Fauci.
• Meghan McCain’s public call for Fauci to be jailed is cited as emblematic of a new, broader skepticism and outrage outside the usual conservative base.

Notable Quote (Robino):

"He told us that pregnant women would not have miscarriages if they took the [COVID shot]. And then they did... And now we find out he actually knew this could happen... If he pays no price for it, then we are not a country." [22:08]

Further Insights:

• Aaron points out the absence of a pandemic-induced baby boom, implying the vaccine’s potential impact on fertility rates.
• The panel discusses the political and legal landscape, expressing skepticism that Fauci will face meaningful prosecution, except possibly in Florida, where state-level action remains possible.

Notable Quote (Aaron, on prosecuting Fauci):

"That's so fricking depressing." [27:51]
"These people were on your TV every freaking day telling you the same things over and over... You don't have to get that imaginative or creative." [29:24]

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3. Tucker and Hunter: A ‘Love Story’ and the Critique of Deconstruction

Begins at [32:52]

• Panel critiques Tucker Carlson's recent interview with Hunter Biden, where Hunter pivots from original laptop admissions, and Tucker floats the theory it was an Israeli plot.
• Dace and co-hosts accuse Carlson of self-aggrandizement, platforming figures uncritically, and succumbing to "deconstructive" pseudo-journalism that creates chaos instead of clarity.

Notable Quote (Steve Dace):

"It was essentially a slurp fest... Are they going to face real questions though? And apparently no. So what are we doing here?" [34:45]

• The group critically contrasts this approach with actual accountability journalism, suggesting some of the new right-wing media figures have lost their principled bearings in the pursuit of attention, audience engagement, or money.

Notable Quote (Aaron McIntyre):

"Until it is proven otherwise, I think the safest option for describing Tucker Carlson is demonic influence... It's just deception for deception's ends, chaos for chaos's end." [41:57]

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4. Right-Wing Deconstruction: Who’s Next?

Begins at [45:14]

• The group contemplates which major right-of-center figures or institutions are likely to "deconstruct" or betray their principles, with Todd nominating "the Pope" and Robino warning about grifters in the MAGA universe.

Notable Quote (Robino):

"There's a whole group that are just about the money. Yep. And not about the cause." [46:09]

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5. Predictions

Starts at [47:07]

• In characteristically snarky fashion, the hosts make predictions—ranging from WNBA controversies to rising gas prices and future White House moves.
• Steve predicts Hunter Biden will be romantically linked to a female right-wing influencer.

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6. Feedback Friday: Direct Listener Critique and Response

Starts at [54:29]

• Dace reads and discusses a critical email from a longtime listener, "Steve," who accuses the show of losing its interactive, welcoming spirit and offers several specific critiques:

  • Alleged inconsistency in gender-critique (e.g., regarding Erica Kirk, CEO of TPUSA)
  • Demands for Caitlin Clark (WNBA) to take a public stand on trans athletes
  • Criticism of the show’s stance on “comfort”
  • “Sports bro” vs. “political bro” critiques
  • The “people are the problem” refrain

• Dace and the crew respond point-by-point, defending their positions and clarifying their emphasis on balance between comfort and conviction, calling out truly inconsistent logic, and emphasizing their unapologetically intense, sometimes even abrasive style.

Notable Moment:
Robino and Todd highlight that knowing one's lane (i.e., sports, politics) is fine, but abdicating citizenship or moral responsibility in favor of comfort or sports fandom is the issue, not sports themselves.

Notable Quotes:

"I'm intense by nature. Todd, maybe even more so. And Aaron is literally the epitome of the strong silent type... There's three guys here. There's no female filter. There's no counter here..." [72:53]

"It's okay to have to walk away for a while or forever. It's okay. We're human beings. We get sick of each other. You know, we're not married. You don't owe me a lifetime..." [74:14]

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7. Additional Listener Feedback: Trust in Medicine

Begins at [85:09]

• A listener, Joanne, shares frustrating experiences with her doctors refusing to provide studies or information to inform her healthcare decisions post-pandemic.
• Hosts stress the need for personal advocacy in today's medical landscape, recommending integrative medicine and a skeptical, investigative approach to mainstream healthcare.

Notable Quote (Aaron McIntyre):

"Gone are the days where you can just trust anybody within the system implicitly. So you have to find that balanced perspective. And that means more work for you on the front end, but hopefully better results for you on the back end." [90:37]

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Memorable Quotes and Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Abortion Laws
  Robino: "That's infanticide... And the shocking part is one of the Republican candidates for governor, Brian Short Sleeve... said that he would have signed it. That’s absolutely disgusting." [07:18]

• On Men Ending Abortion
  Steve Dace: "The arguments…are from an era where people didn’t shout their abortions. …Men have to end this. We are the leaders. We have been given dominion. We are the head." [12:47–14:30]

• On Fauci Accountability
  Robino: "He told us that pregnant women would not have miscarriages if they took the vaccination… And now we find out he actually knew… and he told Rochelle Walensky. ...if he pays no price for it, then… we are not a country…" [22:08]

• On Right-Wing Media Deconstruction
  Steve Dace: "Even when he's right, it's just…to draw you in so he can do this kind of stuff to you. And this is without excuse. It's not any different than Fauci. These aren't noble lies. None of this is. It's deception incarnate. The whole thing is." [40:04]

• On Demanding Accountability in Healthcare
  Aaron McIntyre: "You have to advocate for yourself, which means what? More work for you, more reading for you, more research for you..." [90:37]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:13] — Start of montage and week-in-review (“Woke one was crazy”)
• [07:18] — Robino’s detailed critique of the Massachusetts abortion law
• [12:47] — Dace: Men must lead in ending abortion
• [20:26] — Fauci segment begins: New revelations, media response, calls for prosecution
• [32:52] — Tucker Carlson/Hunter Biden interview discussion
• [45:14] — “Who’s next to deconstruct?”: Segment speculating about other right-wing figures
• [47:07] — Predictions
• [54:29] — Feedback Friday: in-depth email critique and response
• [85:09] — Listener letter on medical trust and panel’s advice on healthcare advocacy
• [97:56] — Final reflections and show close

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Overall Episode Tone and Style

• Highly snarky, often confrontational; unapologetically intense.
• Moral seriousness combined with dark humor.
• Willingness to air internal critique and respond at length to dissenting listeners.

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Bottom Line For Listeners

If you’re looking for a thorough, emotionally charged, and ideologically uncompromising take on the week’s most heated issues—from abortion and gender ideology to pandemic accountability and media integrity—this episode distills the rhetorical firepower and pointed arguments that have made the Steve Deace Show a mainstay of conservative podcasting. The hosts pull no punches in critiquing both left-wing excesses and right-wing media grift, and they challenge their audience to move beyond comfort, passivity, and surface-level engagement.

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For direct engagement or further reaction, you can reach Steve at the stevedace.com inbox or follow the show on social media and Rumble, as discussed at [50:07].

Transcript

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[Steve Dace]

And greetings. Happy Friday. Welcome to the Steve Day show here live and on demand on Blaze. Tv, radio and podcast. I'm Steve Dace. I'm just going to assume we're on, right, because all I can see is a countdown clock in front of me. So everything's working.

[Aaron McIntyre]

One second.

[Steve Dace]

Oh, thank you. That was my, that was a passive aggressive thing I did. I don't normally do passive aggressive, but on the rare occasion I do, I figured I should own up to it. That was passive aggressive.

[Todd Erzin]

I like how you looked at me to see if we're on like I got nothing.

[Steve Dace]

Oh, happy Friday to you, Mr. Ersin. How are you? There we are. Now I know we're working. All right, good to see you. Aaron McIntyre, thank you for the last minute fix there. And coming up next hour, it'll be your turn on a feedback Friday. We've got our editor here at the Blaze, Robino, joining us. So you know what that means when we've got an extra onset. It's time for the day Scroop. And your weekly look at the week that was. It begins as it always does, with issue one.

[Commercial Announcer]

Bleep.

[Steve Dace]

Lord Nefarious says,

[Robino (Editor of The Blaze)]

You know, I was actually trying to become a sports journalist when I first went to college. So I learned then you have some

[Steve Dace]

hot takes, sometimes bad takes on Twitter.

[Aaron McIntyre]

What do you make of those controversial statements I'm sure you've seen? I mean, she's, you know, the Thanksgiving dust up. She says she doesn't, you know, still believe that. But, you know, the abolished prisons, abolished police.

[Steve Dace]

I have a local city councilman that has this saying, woke one was crazy. Woke one was crazy.

[Aaron McIntyre]

We need to rip ice apart and

[Steve Dace]

stop them from terrorizing our communities. I've long believed and supported funding for order at the border and I have worked well with law enforcement in Minnesota for years. But what I. It is not just that someone like me who has been in this country since 1989 that I have to suffer the psychological and physical abuse. Woke one was crazy.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Woke one was crazy. I'm 100% closer to the prison abolitionist

[Steve Dace]

perspective than the average American's framework on this issue because, oh my God, you guys literally fantasize about the violent crimes that someone might have committed and you fantasize further about how you need to create an equal vengeance structure. Americans sometimes literally feel. Americans sometimes literally feel like they want

[Aaron McIntyre]

to be the rapist murderers.

[Steve Dace]

We're going to keep bringing in immigrants in this country on purpose just so they can f your sister and then maybe even your daughter. We're going to destroy the white race, bitch. That's what we're here to do. Woke one was crazy.

[Aaron McIntyre]

One was crazy

[Steve Dace]

face coming down, trying

[Commercial Announcer]

to prevent the layup.

[Steve Dace]

But that is just a hard hit that's definitely going to be upgraded.

[Todd Erzin]

I think one of the things about

[Steve Dace]

Nay is that she's going to play

[Aaron McIntyre]

her butt off, man. She's going to compete. Nobody's going to go walking in for a layup.

[Steve Dace]

And so I'm not. I don't oppose the hard foul, but

[Aaron McIntyre]

I also don't think that she intentionally went for the.

[Steve Dace]

Was it egregious? Absolutely. When you have a chance to watch that over and over and over on replay, you can see that I didn't have that in real time. I will always lead with love. I will always lead with grace. I will always lead with humility. Humility will win and kindness will win. I stand by them. I will always stand by them. Everybody else can go to hell.

[Todd Erzin]

Trans rights.

[Steve Dace]

There is no question that a well funded, well coordinated right wing regressive movement has successfully pushed public opinion backwards. I would welcome a trans athlete on

[Aaron McIntyre]

my team or against my team. A few former NBA first round picks

[Todd Erzin]

came out yesterday and declared for the WNBA draft.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Are you supportive of them? Yeah.

[Todd Erzin]

So if they truly were trans, then

[Steve Dace]

I would be perhaps supportive of them,

[Aaron McIntyre]

but they're not who determines who's really a woman, though.

[Steve Dace]

I would say I would love to see them play against Asia Wilson and Pete Her. I doubt they would. So thank you so much. Woke one was crazy. Woke one was crazy. Okay, that's huge. You know, during lockdown, of course, rhetoric in that time is not rhetoric that we would use today. That isn't a montage. That is my resignation letter. Holy cow, was that awful. Holy cow, was that get thee to a nunnery bad. Holy cow. Holy cow.

[Todd Erzin]

But if the White House had any sense, they would instantly come in and hire Aaron away from you, Steve. And they would run.

[Steve Dace]

Keep Aaron's name out your mouth.

[Todd Erzin]

They would run Aaron's montage every day on behalf of the nation. Because that is a. I mean.

[Steve Dace]

I mean, we've been doing this weekly for years. All right. I mean, we do this 240 shows a year and times five is. So somewhere around 40 some odd weeks a year we're doing this. We see that. We see an Aaron montage at least 40 weeks out of the year. Right. For how many years? Maybe now, almost 10 years. Yeah, we've seen things. But that one. Holy moly. That one.

[Todd Erzin]

Hear me out. Aaron was something. The new White House press secretary. Just running montages.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Just running and just glaring at people.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah, running montages with glares. I like it. So, Rob, it's custom around here for the guest to get the first crack at responding. What was the wickedest of the wicked that you were just subjected to?

[Robino (Editor of The Blaze)]

The wickedness of the wicked. The one that I actually didn't hear but kept going in and out. Sometimes I can't hear the stuff that's coming in just the way that the zoom works. But the Mara Healey from Massachusetts signing the infanticide bill that everybody was sitting around cheering and clapping for, I mean, that's the state I grew up in, Massachusetts. It's been a lost cause for a while. But, you know, viability is 20 weeks, 21 weeks. Lots of babies survive after that. And they just said that they don't even have a 21 week, take a second look thing. Any reason that the doctor says they can just kill the baby and nobody can question the doctor. Baby's crown can be out of the head. They can take forceps and slice its neck as it's taking its first breath and can kill the baby. That's infanticide. And the shocking part is one of the Republican candidates for governor, Brian Short Sleeve, whom I know, a Facebook friend of mine, worked in the administration of Charlie Baker, who's now the head of the ncaa, said that he would sign it, that he would have signed it, showing no difference between him and. And the Moloch worship that was shown on tv. It's absolutely disgusting. I would call. I would hope that the Catholic bishops of Massachusetts do what they should do and excommunicate every single person that voted for it or signed it. But we'll see what happens. That was the absolute disgusting worst part of the entire week.

[Steve Dace]

I am glad you led with that, because everything you said really hits home for me in particular this week. Our oldest, Anastasia, had her second baby on Wednesday. Olivia Grace. Baby Olivia was born. Olivia Grace was born Wednesday morning. And it's just another reminder when you're close to a new life being brought into the world of how savage everything Rob just explained truly is. And I think that these talking points from the 90s women are second victims of abortion. They're deceived and desperate waifs who have no idea what they're doing. I am sure there are still some cases of women where that is the case. Right? That's certainly the case in a. When you're talking about my own mom who finds out at 14 she's pregnant, what do you do? That was also 53 years ago. Everyone has seen a sonogram. Now everyone has seen an ultrasound. Now we all know what is going on inside that womb in ways we did not know necessarily in mass 53 years ago. We have 3D imaging, full color imaging, everything you could possibly imagine. We have it all. We have Nic Hughes that we didn't have 53 years ago, where baby's born right around that viability line that Rob talked about. And sometimes even ahead of that line can spend weeks, months, maybe even up to a year or so, you know, getting healthy, finishing the gestation process and being able to then eventually go home with their parents. This is not the world of even 30 years ago, let alone 50 years ago. And in this whole era now, you know, I said this the other day on tbn, they had me on for an interview and I've never said this on my own show, so I think I should say it here. The era of lining up women to argue against other women about this, I think is at an end. We've tried this for decades. We've tried to play defense. No, we don't hate women. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. We're at here's what it got us. Here's what it got us. We did get Roe versus Wade overturned. We have no political capital though from this time forward, the president knows that we don't and doesn't have to deliver for us on anything else because he already delivered for us. And what was our big ask of the last 50 years? The arguments that we are up against are from an era where people didn't shout their abortions, women did not jump on TikTok and social media to just claim scalps on the wall of how many abortions they've had. And a bunch of well dressed, pretty, probably educated women huddle around an allegedly Catholic governor of the state that, you know, there's two states that really our freedom, our liberty, our way of life, we're born out of Virginia and Massachusetts. They're the twin towers of the American Revolution. Virginia already did what Massachusetts did. Remember that was the governor back in the day. Remember that Governor? Well, hey, because he signed a similar bill. Was it Northam. Was that that guy's name? Something like that, yeah. And then, hey, remember he was asked in a radio interview, what happens if the baby is. You know, is still born? You find out it's alive, you know, even after the abortion, can you still kill it anyways? Like. Well, he sent in a radio. Of course you can. So now. Now the second of the twin towers of our. Of our. Of our way of life has fallen now to this Barbary. The idea that you're going to come back with empathetic arguments, defensive arguments about how much you love women. See, this has never really been about the women. If we're really being honest, it's always been about the men.

[Todd Erzin]

Here, here.

[Steve Dace]

All right. My. You want to know why my mom was tempted to get an abortion? Because my birth father's family tried to bribe her into having one. As staunch Catholics, of course, tried to bribe her into aborting me and murdering me. That's why. Well, I've got no options now. Their son got me pregnant. My family's on food stamps and poor. Where will I go? You don't want me. You won't let me into the family. And now you're giving me money to kill me or to kill my kid. This has gone on for too long. Men have to end this. We are the leaders. We have been given dominion. We are the head. So we can talk about tactics of what that's going to look like. I've got 50 ideas. But let me tell you, though, before we talk about any of them, here's what we all have to decide. As men, we are done enjoying the prolonged adolescence and accoutrements of feminism. Start there. When I was a child, I thought, spoke and reasoned as a child. When I became a man, I set aside childish things, as Charlie said, get married, have kids, put away the tools of perpetual adolescence, grow up, accept responsibility. If my biological father's family had been willing to do that 53 years ago, my mother would not even consider an abortion. But they didn't, and instead try to bribe her into having one. So the men actually have to end this. These sorts of effeminate, matriarchal, longhouse arguments of our women against your women. That's never won a singular fight of anything of substance in the history of this planet, either ideologically or militarily. The men have to end this. The men have the divine authority to end this. But first they have to accept the credibility that will allow them to wield such authority. And so before we talk about what would wielding that authority look like that first step has to be taken. And I don't want to hear any more arguments about how any. No one in that video is a victim. No one is. No one in that video is unawares of what they are doing. If we were talking about a group of women gathering to commit murder in any other context except the womb, would it be controversial to say that they are accessories to murder and should be prosecuted as such? Would that. Would it be controversial to say in any other context?

[Todd Erzin]

No.

[Steve Dace]

So then why is it controversial to say in this one? Unless we too then really don't believe that that's a viable life, then either we don't believe it's made in the image of God, then either that's the only reason it would not be or that it would be. They're telling you we are murderers. We're proud of it. We can't wait to claim credit for it. In any other context of our society, how would we treat such people? We would prosecute them. So the era of talking points of the 90s and feminized arguments and women arguing against women has. It's that that era is over. It lost. We lost.

[Aaron McIntyre]

We, we.

[Steve Dace]

We got our. We won our biggest battle and then we lost. If this is the argument post Roe v. Wade, we lost. And it's time to access, assess why, and then to do differently. I'll get off my soapbox now. Todd, your thoughts on the montage.

[Todd Erzin]

Well, I was going to talk about this myself, go full Catholic. And if I was in that state, as you know, I've confronted my. One of my deacons when he tried to go a full mask to guilt trip back in the day. These bishops. Listen, either you excommunicate your strongly worded letter. No, no, no, no. All of you there. I don't know how many there are in Massachusetts. Rob could tell me. But all of you, if you do not excommunicate her, you have excommunicated yourself. It is your duty to punish this evil for the sake of that. For the governor there and the entire church, full stop. Dante wrote about bishops like you in one of his circles of hell. Just feckless letter writers. Enough. You have excommunicated yourself if you do not excommunicate her. I'm thinking that there's that great at the end of Wonder Woman where finally Ares is defeated and you know, in a superhero sense, the spirit of peace is upon the earth. This is real life. That's fiction. This is real life. No one. No one in the church. There should be tithing to you, Anything people of good faith should be taking back already. The men Steve are talking about, God knows they're not tithing or doing anything else. They're tithing to their Red Sox, their Patriots, and their Celtics jerseys. Steve's right over the target on that one. We aren't even remotely serious as a church. Bishops, either it starts with you or you're out. Because Isaiah 1:5, where would you yet be struck? You cannot let man, woman, or child do this in the name of God, ever. The bishops, the worst of the week, if all they have is that, that letter they put out,

[Aaron McIntyre]

it's because of everything that's said. It's aoc. That's my worst of the week. And it's not because, hey, that's really crazy. And, hey, that's really funny. Hey, that's hypocrisy. Hey, that's, you know, we're not. We're going to just keep lying. It's not because of any of that. It's because that phrase woke one was crazy. Ha ha ha, ha ha. It's gonna fricking work. It's gonna work to the extent that anyone like aoc, which is the Democrat Party, the single feminist, just broke up with a boyfriend. Now we're freezing eggs. Cuz still, God's biological clock that he imprints on that side of the species is still tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, ticking. But yet, despite, you know, climate change destroying the planet in 10 years, we still got to freeze our eggs. That message is going to work to the extent that anyone who fits the profile of the aoc, which is the Democrat Party, that is the base of the Democrat Party, to the extent that any of them thought, hey, were we the problem? Are we the baddies here? Should I disengage a little bit? Nope. That's exactly what they needed to hear. Oh, no, that was just crazy. As if it was like 60 or 100 years ago when it was just six years ago. That kind of message is going to work. It's gonna work. It's gonna work on all the same types of people. Steve, you were just talking about.

[Todd Erzin]

Yep.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Doing the debating. We're just gonna shout our abortions. Don't care. No way, no how. Don't care. It's going to work. So, yeah, we can laugh at AOC all we want, but that sort of messaging. Oh, and she's posting thirst traps too, at the same time. It's going to work. It's President AOC.

[Steve Dace]

Exit question. On a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being Candace Owens integrity and 10 being the median IQ of her audience. Rank this week's level of total depravity.

[Todd Erzin]

Todd, 10.

[Steve Dace]

Rob, 10.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Aaron, 10.

[Steve Dace]

I mean, that's a 10 with a bullet, man. That's a 10 with purpose. That's a Richter scale. 10. Get to issue two. As Elon Musk once said, my pronouns are prosecute Foushee.

[Aaron McIntyre]

This week, some of the contents of Anthony Fauci's phone during his tenure at NIAID and during the coronavirus pandemic came to light. In one of those texts, he said, in late January of 2020, one, quote, asked around a bit more. And another issue came up that you need to be aware of. Since many people have significant cytokine storms in and fever after the second dose, this theoretically could be associated with miscarriage in the first trimester. Fauci addressed that text message to both CDC Director Rochelle Walensky and then Surgeon General Vivek Merthy. He was saying that in private while he was saying stuff like this in public.

[Steve Dace]

Kind of not a close call. It really is pretty clear that pregnant women should get vaccinated.

[Aaron McIntyre]

In the aftermath of this latest Fauci bombshell, people came out of the woodwork expressing their very personal but tragic stories about how their wife or they themselves experienced a miscarriage after receiving the COVID jab, including Meghan McCain, who posted on social media, time to put Fauci in jail and saying she was a woman who was pregnant and had a miscarriage during COVID It's time to prosecute Fauci once and for all.

[Steve Dace]

True or false? Our integrity as a nation is at stake here. Yeah, we must hold Fauci accountable. If we don't defend a mass baby death event called healthcare. We aren't a country at this point worthy of defending. True or false, Rob.

[Robino (Editor of The Blaze)]

Oh, absolutely true. You know, we have to find a way to prosecute Fauci, and it's gonna be in the. It's going to be in the states because of that Auto Penn pardon. But those state attorney generals have to do something and have to prosecute him. It is absolutely infuriating to me to see people still defend Anthony Fauci and, and try and say, well, the president said you should take it, and other people said you should take it. And I'm like, yeah, I'm very upset that Donald Trump was so pro vax. I took two of them. Shouldn't have. It's, it's behind the wall now. I think I've got a little bit of a leaky heart valve because of it. But here's the deal. He told us that pregnant women would not have miscarriages if they took the vaccination. I'm not going to call it a vaccination. I hate calling it a vaccination. The genetic shot. The MRNA synthetic genetic material shot. And then they did. And when we noticed that they did, Steve. And we said, hey, it looks like more people are having miscarriages. And I'm hearing a bunch of people talk about having miscarriages after they have the shot. We were called evil. We were called dumb. We were set. We said, what's that? That's an anecdote, Steve. That's not data. Well, data is a bunch of anecdotes put together. And now we find out that he actually knew that this could happen. And he told Rochelle Walensky, who went on also to say that pregnant women should get the vaccine. And you didn't play the later part of that quote. I think that he said something like, well, even if there's a little risk to the baby, at least the mother will be safe. Which goes to what we just talked about, Steve. They don't believe that babies in the womb are actual human beings. They believe that they are a clump of cells. And the imperative was to make sure that the mother lived or that the mother didn't get sick or that the mother wasn't inconvenienced and to hell with the kid. And we know that he lied over and over again. We know that he funded when he should not have the creation of this disease, of this virus. We know that he helped push people to take an experimental therapeutic shot. That's not a vaccine. We know all of this. And if he pays no price for it, then, you know. Yeah, it's ridiculous. And we are not a country if we do not.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Aaron, I seem to remember smack dab in the middle of lockdowns, there were a number of. A number of commentators who said, hey, maybe a silver lining of this. All of these men and women gonna be holed up together. We're gonna have a baby boom here.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Do you remember the stories in 2021 and 2022? Well, we don't really see a baby boom here. Things that make you go. And the reality of this situation is in the United States, if we get to the level, if we get to the level, and this is just a pyramid that keeps getting narrower and narrower and narrower. Finding a man who wants to get married to a woman, Finding a man and woman who get married to each other, that's hard enough to do. Finding a man who wants to have kids with a woman who wants to have kids. That's narrower yet. Finding a man and a woman who want to have kids and start having kids right now. And there's also fertility issues. That's a huge problem in our country. Me and my wife have gone through them ourselves, and that's without the COVID jab that neither of us took. So this is already a really difficult case. But if you thought, hey, maybe there is a fertile ground, no pun intended, to. To maybe experience somewhat of a baby boom, you know, a great way to mitigate that is by a shot that you forced everybody, man, woman, child to take. That's just disastrously, disastrously suicidal evil. Rob. I'm shocked, shocked. I tell you, that the same person who greenlit the grafting of baby scalps, aborted baby scalps onto the back of, I believe, lab rats. I'm shocked that he has no regard for unborn human life. Absolutely shocked about that. The dude is just a walking little ball of narcissism. And that narcissism, there's a lot of other people to blame, but that narcissism is why we are where we are right now.

[Steve Dace]

Todd, quickly.

[Todd Erzin]

Well, it's true, but we're not nearly as far along in terms of an awakening on vaccination as a lot of people like to think. I mean, we were just absolutely asleep before COVID but. Right. I got to go to the Catholic bishops. The usccp, as we speak, didn't want to allow religious exemptions for. For vaccination in the wake of all of this. See, this is. Remember when I. We came back, my father had just died. A week later is when every. The bleep started to hit the fan on Covid. And having seen the Italian data, I knew, and I told you live, day after day after day, hold on. If we do absolutely nothing, we'll come up better than everything that's gonna come. And I didn't know everything that was gonna come. I just knew it was gonna be bad. And I was right. Had we done nothing, nothing, nothing, we would be in better shape. And there are way too many people who are called Christians and conservatives who still don't believe that.

[Steve Dace]

Let's get to the exit question. Will Fauci end up facing some criminal prosecution? Todd.

[Todd Erzin]

Probably not, if we win the midterms.

[Steve Dace]

Aaron.

[Aaron McIntyre]

That's so fricking depressing.

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Todd.

[Steve Dace]

Yes, Rob.

[Robino (Editor of The Blaze)]

Only hope is Florida.

[Steve Dace]

It's because of Florida that I'm going to say yes. It's because of Florida. I'm going to say yes, because of my faith in James, that I'm going to say yes, that he is clearly looking for the entry point to crowbar that window open. What's the legal entry point here that allows things to get in and then kind of expand from there? But at this point, I'm fine sending Al Capone to Alcatraz for tax evasion. I mean, literally for anything. But I do have faith that Uthmyr is going to come through with something. So I'm going to say yes. Let me also say, though, again, every commissioner of the fda, none of that era, none of them have any. We can sit here and debate whether preemptive pardons are even constitutional to begin with, let alone auto pen pardons that can all be adjudicated later. But Debbie Burks doesn't have a pardon. None of the officials that were leading CDC or FDA at that time, they don't have pardons. Francis Collins doesn't have a pardon. He's technically Fauci's boss. He was running the entirety of the nih that Fauci's department was underneath in the flowchart. Even though Fauci was the point man and was the visible face, Francis Collins was technically his boss.

[Todd Erzin]

See how easy it could be?

[Steve Dace]

Yeah. He faces no pardon. He has no protection. The amount of people here who don't have protection is extraordinary. That could be made examples out of.

[Aaron McIntyre]

And we're not talking about, hey, just get imaginative. Fraud, public nuisance. These are the things that James Uthmeyer was talking about. You don't have to get really creative, really imaginative. These people were on your TV every freaking day telling you the same things over and over and over again every day. They were. You don't have to get that imaginative or creative.

[Steve Dace]

Exactly. Now, on some of these fronts, I'm not, you know, I'm not aware of D.C. or federal law, what the statute of limitations is on them, but I'd certainly like to know that Todd Blanche looked into that.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

At the very least. Right?

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

Because there's a myriad of decision makers here that do have, that have not even, not even controversial or questionable protection, but no legal protection at all that could be made an example out of. All right, we'll come back. The latest love story we need to discuss here next. The Steve Day show,

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[Aaron McIntyre]

Tucker Carlson interviewed Hunter Biden on his show this week. Included in that interview is this segment where Tucker Carlson reveals Hunter Biden's laptop from hell which he he himself blew the lid on while working at Fox News was an Israeli plot.

[Steve Dace]

I'm getting we get approached by Israelis

[Aaron McIntyre]

connected to Benjamin Netanyahu.

[Steve Dace]

Like I know that.

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Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

Who are shopping this stuff to me at Fox News.

[Commercial Announcer]

Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

And I'm like I don't think that that part of the story. The laptop is real. I thought that from day one. But the way that it entered the bloodstream.

[Todd Erzin]

Exactly.

[Steve Dace]

American media was not real. So I just want to Ask you point blank, did you drop off laptops?

[Aaron McIntyre]

No.

[Steve Dace]

And this is the thing that I've

[Robino (Editor of The Blaze)]

said over and over again. I have literally zero recollection or memory

[Steve Dace]

of ever dropping off a laptop at John Paul McIsaac's.

[Robino (Editor of The Blaze)]

No. The answer is no.

[Steve Dace]

First question, what are we doing here?

[Todd Erzin]

Crack?

[Steve Dace]

Because then, well, we did a lot of that, maybe even in the White House for that matter. The very next day, by the way, after being on with Tucker, Hunter went on another podcast, proclaimed his love for AOC to be the next president United States and how he is a self avowed socialist. So I, by the way, I did do a quick search of that interview. None of Hunter's views really on any of that were discussed by Tucker at all in the length of that interview. Almost none of them were. So it was essentially a slurp fest. It's similar to what you saw, you've seen him do with, you know, Nick Fuentes and others. I had no problem talking to all these people. I don't. Are they going to face real questions though? And apparently no. So what are we doing here? What are we doing?

[Aaron McIntyre]

There's a really lewd Travis Kelce gif you might know of that I would like to use where he's making a very obscene gesture towards a referee. That's what we're doing here.

[Steve Dace]

I hear you. I think we can all this has something to do with self aggrandizement, perhaps.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah, that's a really good euphemism. Thank you.

[Steve Dace]

I think I kind of. I was about to say I'm feeling it and I realized I probably should say.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Please don't.

[Todd Erzin]

What we are doing is catering to a combination of a lot of money from foreign interests, a psychological profile online that along with Tucker keeps deconstructing into questions, questions, questions, but no answers, answers, answers. They just like the vibe of that thing. They think they're smarter because they're engaged in that. And a lot of it starts with the place. Well, in the way we've been doing it for so long. There are no answers. They're rejecting that. That's where it started. That's a place that's understandable and reasonable, but there's no limiting principle to it now. And so the combination of those two things, a lot of money and there's an audience for this and the audience on the other side of normies is sleepy and uninvolved and way too comfortable. And I think at the very least that's what it is and it's potent.

[Steve Dace]

Rob, what are we doing here?

[Robino (Editor of The Blaze)]

You know, there's a couple things. I think that a lot of what I tend to agree with a lot of Tucker's views, I mean his 10 point plan, a lot of that was what got Donald Trump elected. Right. But you know, having on Hunter Biden, do I think that maybe AIPAC or somebody's lobbyists really wanted Donald Trump to win in 2020 and might have been pushing the story amongst a whole host of other people, by the way? Yes, but do I believe and do I believe Hunter Biden when he said I have no recollection of dropping off that thing? You probably don't because you were a crack addict who couldn't remember what he did the day before, who couldn't remember that he took a dump in the morning if asked in the afternoon. Of course you don't remember dropping off a laptop that wasn't working. I bet the laptop actually worked. And he was so high on crack, allegedly that he just sat there and tried to get it to work and it didn't. And he's like, where's the computer shop? I should drop it off at the computer shop. Forgot he did it. And that's why it stayed there so long. Right. Notice he didn't say I didn't drop it off. He said I have no recollection. And Tucker should have asked that. Right. But some of the, you know, in a way this is, this is bringing stupid stuff into the light. So maybe that's what we're doing here. But there is a, you know, there is a part of the right that is upset with never ending war in the Middle East. It's upset with not getting rid of all of the illegal aliens. It's upset with non family friendly policies and that this president has not delivered on a lot of the stuff that he ran on.

[Steve Dace]

So that's why we've gotta, that's why we've gotta let Hunter Biden teabag us in front of 10 for 10 million downloads. Because that's the solution. We do that, Rob. We let under Biden T bags.

[Robino (Editor of The Blaze)]

I'm not saying that, that, that that's what we do. I'm just saying that there, like Todd said, there is an audience for this. There is an audience for people to push back on some of that narrative.

[Steve Dace]

You know, this, you know, this stuff kind of sounds like to me, to use one of their favorite terms, kind of sounds like goy slop. I mean, let's look at the, let's look at the chain of custody here for Hunter Biden, if you will. I mean they love that term, right? So maybe they can, they can choke on that term for on their own and see how they like the taste of it. Here's the chain of custody, by the way. This is courtesy of Miranda Devine of the New York Post, who was one of the people that was the pioneers who broke that story back in 2020. Here's the chain of custody on Hunter Biden's laptop. Hunter signature is on the repair Receipt, quote number 7469 for $85 from Mac Mac Isaac's store for quote, attempt attempted data recovery from three MacBook Pros. The FBI seized the laptop on December 9, 2019 after Mac Isaac contacted them. Two agents arrived at his store with a subpoena signed By Delaware Assistant U.S. attorney Leslie Wolf, whose boss David Weiss was running a money laundering and tax fraud investigation of Hunter that had just been launched by the irs. The agents are who gave Max Mac Isaac a receipt for the laptop and a hard drive. The FBI GEO located Hunter's cell phone to track him at the Cicar Cigar Lounge in Wilmington, just around the corner from Mac isaac store on April 12, 2019, right before he dropped off the laptops at 6:50pm According to DOJ filings and forensic evidence introduced by prosecutors In Hunter's successful 2024 federal gun trial in Delaware. Prosecutors used financial transaction histories and location logs to corroborate Mac Isaac's timeline. Mac Isaac is legally blind, but he can see up close. He recognized Hunter when he told him his name and smelled booze and cigar smoke on him. Would you guys like to know how much of this Tucker brought up? What do you think the number is? Just take a wild stab at it.

[Robino (Editor of The Blaze)]

Yeah. None.

[Steve Dace]

None. See what I think Tucker is doing and this is why I call him Marcion. I think all the stuff that he's still right about is all to get to the deception. The deception is the thing now. The deception's the main event. The deception is and the other stuff is just simply to give you to help you hold on to whoever you thought he once was, whatever you think he may be nobly doing. But deception is the thing in which you catch the conscience of the the former king. Now he is now this was his crown jewel, arguably of his entire Fox News coverage was this story and Tony Bobulinski, he is now deconstructing his own work. And nothing says I'm pissed that Trump didn't deliver on the Epstein files like let me retcon the first son. Let me slip slurp here. The first son who is on his own phone and laptop posting pictures of him cavorting with human trafficked women. Nothing says you've got the moral high ground on this than that that's what we're doing. The whole damn thing's a deception. The whole thing is. Even when he's right, it's just. It's. It's to draw you in so he can do this kind of stuff to you. And this is without excuse. It's not any different than Fauci. These aren't noble lies. None of this is. It's deception incarnate. The whole thing is. The whole thing is. How is. How is Tucker Carlson retconning his own work on Hunter Biden and Tony Bobulinski any different than Anthony Fauci admitting in January 2021 he saw the safety signals and he knew about him where miscarriages were concerned, but said nothing about it anyway? Why is it any different? Because one guy used to do really good work on Fox News and the other guy didn't? Is that why it was different? It's fundamentally not any different. Prove me wrong.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Until I'm proven otherwise. Until it is proven otherwise, I think the safest option here for describing Tucker Carlson is demonic influence. You remember one of the first interviews he did on his own interviewing the dude, the, like, weirdly weird dude from Illinois who claims he gave handies to Barack Obama? And we're like, okay, well, you know, I could see it. You know, it's weird. It's interesting, but it's kind of an interesting choice to right out of the gate. There's no rhyme or reason. Because I was about to ask you when I opened my mouth and stop.

[Steve Dace]

To what end exactly?

[Aaron McIntyre]

To whom is he doing this? And you, on any given day, it could be Qatar or Russia or just his own ego. In other words, it's chaotic. And what do I always say about the language of hell? It's chaos.

[Steve Dace]

It's chaos.

[Aaron McIntyre]

And so until proven otherwise, this is just demonic. There's no real rhyme or reason here. It's just deception for deception's ends, chaos for chaos's end. And for whatever benefit of the doubt. Hey, Asking questions. Hey, I'm just a guy who's spurned. Hey, I just have this really weird thing I just need to get out of my system over and over again. I'm just gonna ask. I'm just gonna piss everybody off. I think the Runway for that is over, because there's no greater, like, transcendent principle. There's no aspiration with any of this. That's what I'm trying to get at.

[Steve Dace]

Correct.

[Aaron McIntyre]

There's nothing aspirational.

[Steve Dace]

Correct.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Name the last time Tucker Carlson had someone on that was aspirational or Tucker himself shared an aspirational message. I'm thinking it was last winter. Maybe that molecular biologist that he had on. That was really. I listened to that episode. That was the last full episode of Tucker Carlson that I had on. That was the last that I can remember off the top of my head. Aspirational message. But even that was more inspirational than aspirational. So this is just chaotic. And I think the Occam's razor explanation here is just demonic.

[Steve Dace]

I think the emerging generation is owed an explanation. It's owed an explanation for our foreign policy, the nature of our relationship with Israel. I'm fine having all those conversations. I've hosted them on this show over the years. How many times? But I am confident, in fact, we have an individual here on our own network or on. That's his thing. He draws. He raises a lot of these same questions. And I am confident that it can be done. All right. Without letting Hunter Biden teabag you on your own podcast. Deconstructing your own work to make Hunter Biden now a victim the day before he announces his love for AOC and socialism and simping for Islam. I am confident because I've. I've watched Oran McIntyre on our own network do it virtually every day for the last few years without a. Without succumbing to any of those impulses. So I know that it can be done. That's why this is. That's why I'm saying that's where the Fauci comparison comes in. No noble lie here. No. He doesn't have to do these things. He wants to. I'm gonna actually let it lay there. Let's get right to the. The kicker topic. We'll skip the exit question. Let's get to the kicker topic.

[Robino (Editor of The Blaze)]

Who.

[Steve Dace]

When you look at the Right. Who are you next worried about deconstructing? Like Tucker could be a segment, could be a type. Doesn't have to be a specific person.

[Todd Erzin]

Well. And deconstruction. You have to allow me. And you'll understand why I'm saying this. It means different things within different contexts. But I'll say the Pope.

[Steve Dace]

Notice we got real quiet after he said that.

[Robino (Editor of The Blaze)]

Man.

[Steve Dace]

Because it was kind of like. That was like a hammer got dropped. Like no commentary was needed. Rob, I'll let you go next.

[Robino (Editor of The Blaze)]

I think the types that have made it their business to chase after just the engagement around the MAGA movement, when the money switches to a different incentive that they will switch as well.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah, I think that's where there's a

[Robino (Editor of The Blaze)]

whole group that are just about the money. Yep. And not about the cause.

[Steve Dace]

10,000%. I mean, did you see the video going, the tweet going around about Marjorie. I don't know. Miriam Adelson, Sheldon Adelson. Don't know any of those people. Never been in a room. Don't know anybody that even knows them. Marjorie Taylor Greene, banking. Miriam Adelson. For all the money she gave, you know, Trump in 2024, two years later, now she's the source of every single conspiracy on earth. So there you go, Todd.

[Todd Erzin]

I did.

[Steve Dace]

Oh, you did. The answer. How could I forget yours? I mean, that's the mother of all answers. Aaron, you get the last graphics.

[Aaron McIntyre]

You ready for the ultimate Jesus juke, Steve? The ultimate one. I know how much you love Jesus.

[Steve Dace]

Above the Pope. Above the Pope. Deconstructing, by all means. Yes, go ahead.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Next person. Me.

[Steve Dace]

Is this like a Chesterton context man

[Todd Erzin]

in the mirror question?

[Steve Dace]

Yeah, I like it. Okay. Yeah. The problem with the world is me. Yeah, that's a good one. That I need a Jesus trick right there, brother. That'll preach. All right, let's get to predictions, Todd.

[Todd Erzin]

Go Stroka. Genius. The WNBA will put all of its messaging woes behind it by just being clear once and for all. Instead of being called the wnba, it is going to be called the Go to Hell NBA.

[Steve Dace]

Kindness. And the slogan is Kindness wins.

[Todd Erzin]

Yes.

[Steve Dace]

Yes, Rob, quickly, go ahead. Top that.

[Robino (Editor of The Blaze)]

There will be the average price of gasoline leading up to the month before the election will be over $5.

[Steve Dace]

Big success.

[Robino (Editor of The Blaze)]

Yeah, sorry, I didn't black pill all day, Steve. Just this little one at the end.

[Steve Dace]

Aaron, go ahead off the board.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Next, White House press secretary Stephen Chong.

[Steve Dace]

Why do I know that name?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Because he's been in comms for President Trump during his 20. I think he was on the 2020 campaign as well.

[Steve Dace]

Okay. My prediction is that it's going to be eventually revealed that Hurter Biden has or is currently hooking up with some female righty influencer. That will eventually come out, I believe.

[Robino (Editor of The Blaze)]

So the.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I thought my prediction sucked. I thought mine were just low hanging fruit.

[Steve Dace]

Rob, I'm sorry, what did you say? Go ahead, Rob.

[Robino (Editor of The Blaze)]

I said like the Ann Coulter boondocks episode. If you've ever seen that. It's fantastic. Where they purport that Ann Coulter was hooking up with Al Sharpton.

[Todd Erzin]

No, it's Great to watch. It's a fantastic episode.

[Robino (Editor of The Blaze)]

That is the great black greatest black nationalist cartoon ever invented. You should watch it. If you've not.

[Steve Dace]

Well, that's gonna do it for hour one, folks.

[Todd Erzin]

And maybe hour two and beyond.

[Steve Dace]

The Pope's gonna deconstruct black nationalism. Why in the world are you hanging around here for another hour? I'm not even sure why I am at this point. Rob, good to see you. Thank you.

[Robino (Editor of The Blaze)]

Thanks for having me on, guys. You bet.

[Steve Dace]

I'm gonna take a quick Silkwood shower and we'll be back with hour two next. Stay tuned.

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And greetings back with our two live.

[Todd Erzin]

We're live.

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[Todd Erzin]

Imagine what a one on one debate between you and Tucker would do. Let's be legends. Well, that's, let's set that up.

[Steve Dace]

That has been attempted and it's, it was declined at every opportunity. So. But, so if I just to be clear, I'll tell you right now, if there's one person on planet Earth, if I was offered the chance to debate, it would be him.

[Todd Erzin]

Just to be clear, not meeting with you, meeting with a crackhead. I just was that.

[Steve Dace]

But what's that saying.

[Aaron McIntyre]

What are you saying? What are you saying, Todd? Why?

[Steve Dace]

Well, in other words, why? Tucker's like, I could have met with the guy in the Earl Campbell throwback jersey, but I decided to meet with a crackhead instead. Can't really hold them. Listen, there's a lot, there's a lot to criticize Tucker for these days. That's probably not among them, if we're just honest.

[Todd Erzin]

Yes. All right.

[Steve Dace]

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[Todd Erzin]

Let's go with some uplift.

[Steve Dace]

Actually, we're going to start with a bit of a doozy. Guy named Steve has decided to get a jump on the airing of grievances.

[Todd Erzin]

Oh.

[Steve Dace]

And he has. He has issues with our show. And since he. This is normally longer than I would entertain, but since he brings up very specific bullet points, I thought it would be a good exercise for the entire audience to hear us go through these and hold our own selves accountable to the same standards. We hold everybody else fair.

[Todd Erzin]

Well, that's often one of our laments, that they have a rant and that there's no specifics. So apparently he's.

[Steve Dace]

There's a lot of specifics.

[Todd Erzin]

He thinks he has receipts. Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

So let's go. Okay. So Steve says, hey, I've been listening to show for a long time, and honestly, it's becoming harder to listen. Dude, we're here every day. We know. It's getting harder to listen.

[Robino (Editor of The Blaze)]

We know.

[Steve Dace]

I mean, you can't possibly get more sick of this than we are because we're here for every episode.

[Todd Erzin]

So.

[Steve Dace]

So here's a few of the things he says that are bothering him. He wants to start with Erica Kirk. Okay, When Erica became CEO of tps, TP usa, I never heard any of you three ask, where are the men? Even though you ask that in countless other circumstances, whether she was Charlie's choice or not, that's irrelevant. I would never think he'd put Erica leading TP USA over raising his babies, but I didn't know him. She may be qualified, but that doesn't automatically mean she gets equipped. She's equipped for the role. More importantly, Charlie never needed others constantly defending him or lamenting criticism directed his way. He ignored it or handled it himself. She can have it. She can't have it all. Actually, you're the one, Steve, trying to have it all. On one hand, you want to talk about how able and capable that Charlie was, but then you say it's irrelevant that she was Charlie's choice. So which is it? So you Know Charlie's capabilities, his brilliance. But then you earlier say that it's irrelevant that she was his choice. How can help me? My name's Steve too. Okay? So I'm smart. As Fredo once said, I can do stuff. Okay? So help me. Do you guys know how. How is, how is Charlie simultaneously able to handle himself? But then if this is his choice to lead his organization, that's irrelevant. Help me understand the math of that. I truly don't. I'm asking what's the math of that?

[Todd Erzin]

There is not. He lost me when he said it's irrelevant. Oh, fascinating.

[Steve Dace]

Because by the way, what's more male led than the man choosing who his successor is going to be? It didn't just choose a rando, he chose his own wife. To me, it's a flesh of his flesh. Okay? I mean, I just, you know, I mean, chose his own wife. I. By the way, if, you know, the hierarchy of that organization, it's, it's, it's very male led. Very male led. There was, there's kind of one exception in the whole hierarchy, and it just turned out to be the wife of the guy who established the largely male led hierarchy. So I'm. And, and hey, you know, if you want to go after stuff that Erica says on issues.

[Robino (Editor of The Blaze)]

I don't.

[Steve Dace]

I've not like, you know, the whole thing about, you know, she thought. What was the thing she said about lights in the room? You know, and Charlie, I saw people kind of criticize that theologically. Did I rush to defend her or anything on that? No, no. But on this other stuff, you know, there's another part. See, there's the biggest part of Erica Kirk that you left out. She's a widow and is only in this position because they murdered her husband. And I kind of think, especially because we're not even one year since his murder. I mean, stop and think about the fact every time, every time that family and every time that organization has done something in the last year without Charlie, it's the first time they've ever done it. So I kind of think, especially because, you know what, frankly, Steve, I have more access to it than you. I've done at least a half a dozen tpus of TPUSA events all over this country, from Alaska to Washington D.C. literally from the two extremes of this hemisphere. Alaska, where Sarah Palin once noted, you can see Russia out your back window and Washington D.C. right where you see the Atlantic Ocean. I've been from coast to coast for this organization in this last year. Every event has been Run first class, been well attended, well funded. In fact, the last event I did in Alaska, a guy just walked up and gave him $100,000 check. He was so moved by the presentation. So, I mean, I'm there. We get compensated on time, by the way. I take way less to speak for TPUSA than anyone else. After travel and compensating my booking agents, I get. I'll just tell you, I always will tell you stuff. If you just ask. If I, If I. If it doesn't, you know, deny a third party or it doesn't, you know, violate a third party confidence, I'll just tell you. I get. When you take away taxes and everything else, I get about 3500 bucks for speaking for TPUSA. It's a nice chunk of money, but it's. It's way lower than my normal honorarium because it's about the mission and I'm happy to do it. Every time they ask if I can fit it into my schedule, the answer is always yes. So, I mean, their endorsement record in the primary cycle was pretty good. They even went against Trump in our gubernatorial primary cycle with. They went with Zach Lane and they won. I mean, I. I'm not. I don't see any signs of organizational slippage. At least not yet. Now, listen, over the long haul, replacing someone of Charlie's magnitude will not be an easy exercise. And she's going to face real administrative test where that is concerned. As she would if her name were Eric Kirk and it was Charlie's brother. Okay, but One, it's not even been a year since he's been murdered. Steve. Two, you can't on one hand say, well, Charlie was brilliant and capable, but if this was the. If this was the choice that brilliant and capable guy made, it's irrelevant. No, I kind of think since it's his organization, he literally built it from nothing. Shoe leather was all he had. He was a gopher on the cruise campaign. I know, I was there. And a decade later, by the time he was less than a decade later, because it was 20, 25 he got when he was murdered, he had built at the ripe old age of 32, the most profligate, sweeping organization on the American right. So I kind of think who he selected to be a successor kind of matters. Maybe he knew what he was doing. And based on what I've seen so far, it's been a fairly. I've not noticed any slippage. I spoke for Teep USA when Charlie ran it. I've spoken for it when Erica has But on one hand, you cannot tell me Tart Charlie was more than capable. But then his choice to succeed him is irrelevant. Was he more than capable or not? Let's go on to his next one. Caitlin Clark. I was surprised all three of you insisted she must publicly take a position on the trans issue. It's fair to ask her, but it's not fair to demand an answer. If she chooses not to engage, that simply means she isn't someone you can count on in that particular fight. Shake the dust and move on. I guess the days of Jordan saying Republicans buy his shoes too are over. The very fabric of the sport known as the NBA wasn't being questioned by the politics of Jordan's time. Caitlin Clark is in a league called the Women's National Basketball Association. She is being asked what is a woman? Who should determine what is a woman? That goes to. That's not. Let's just pretend Todd's not here because Todd will always jump to the most moral point, which is why he's here. To be a check on my own conscience. Can we pretend you're not here for a second?

[Todd Erzin]

Am I still getting paid?

[Steve Dace]

Yes.

[Todd Erzin]

Yes.

[Steve Dace]

Okay. Then we're gonna pretend you're not here. Just competitively. Wouldn't you need to know what a woman is to know who you're. Who or what you're competing with in the Women's National Basketball Association. What you need do to. Just like you need to know what basketball is. Are there not rules on a basketball? How much. How much Eric can have. How big it can be. What stuff women use smaller basketballs than men. You see what I'm. There's. There every other letter in that. In that abbreviation has a regulation to it.

[Robino (Editor of The Blaze)]

National.

[Steve Dace]

Well, they're playing games in Indiana. They're not playing them in Paraguay. Okay. An association. So that. That means they get bylaws that govern them as a sport. As a league. So every other letter has critical regulations and guidance and best practices that have to be determined to uphold the integrity of said letter. Correct. Then if the. Then why not the first letter Wouldn't. It'd be kind of key to know. Would we.

[Robino (Editor of The Blaze)]

If.

[Steve Dace]

If they just decided they were going to make Caitlin Clark play with a bigger basketball than everybody else, would she be. Not expected to have a comment on that? Todd.

[Todd Erzin]

Of course.

[Steve Dace]

So even if you don't address. Even if you don't want to address the moral and political consequences of this just pr. In. In. In practicum. It's her sport. So the definition of a woman is pretty key to know this, you. Not to mention her teammate. Now we'll get to the moral component. Her teammate is getting decapitated on the court. That's her teammate. You can at least do what a Travis Kelce did with Harrison Butker last year at this time. Hey, man, I don't agree with everything Harrison says, but I know this. He's a great teammate, does his job, doesn't deserve the backlash. He's Getting Travis Kelce Mr. Taylor Swift least did that. You can at least back your teammate.

[Aaron McIntyre]

He's got like an 80 IQ too.

[Steve Dace]

You're talking about Travis Kelsey, not poor Steve. I gotcha. All right, let's go to the next one. Comfort and self awareness. The constant criticism of of people being comfortable rings hollow in the same show. You'll pivot from condemning comfort to promoting water filters, sheets, cookies, earbuds, or other products that make life more comfortable. What comforts have you personally given up? There's very little self awareness in this discussion. Well, Steve, in case you had forgotten, I once laid a bunch of millions of dollars of investment capital that I myself raised and I bet it all on a movie, not knowing what the distribution platform would be or what the marketing plan would be. It nearly made me bankrupt. It almost killed me twice. And then I almost got divorced. And it didn't make me rich, despite the fact it was a profitable film. And I'm in the process right now of trying to do it all over again. Why? Because this is fun and enjoyable? Parts of it are, but no, because on my desktop there's a folder that says nefarious on it from emails from all over the world, thousands of them, of people who were spiritually impacted.

[Todd Erzin]

Apparently Steve was not one of them.

[Steve Dace]

Apparently you were not one of them. No, believe me, there's not much of a financial incentive on my end to do it again. It didn't make me rich for all the work I put into it, but there's a ton of missional incentive to do it again. I mean, the issue is not about making life better or more comfortable for people. It's about whether or not you live your life and determine what you do or don't based on what is comfortable or better by your standard. Why don't we just become Christian scientists and give up medicines, give up all medical treatments? Because we don't want to make people more comfortable. That would be hypocritical. No, what we're concerned about is when you start worshiping the medicine, worshiping the science, or as Todd calls it, the magical power of Vaccines. There's nothing wrong with making people's life better. There's a lot wrong with making the soul or driving force of your life to make it better or more comfortable as opposed to whatever the true purpose of your life actually is. So it's really just about having things in balance or not. Should we continue on? He's got one more. Oh, no, he's got two more. Okay, all right, two more sports.

[Todd Erzin]

So far, he's over three sports pros.

[Steve Dace]

Let's tackle this one now.

[Todd Erzin]

Oh, wonderful.

[Steve Dace]

The sports bro criticism is getting old. Sure, that's a real thing, but so is the talk show bro who consumes political content all day, pumps his fist and does nothing with it. At least the sports bro is honest about what he's prioritizing.

[Todd Erzin]

Sorry, is this on?

[Steve Dace]

Todd's lectures on this topic are especially hard to take when he's sitting next to someone who takes time off of work to watch tournaments or build schedules around sports. There's nothing wrong with that, but the double standard is hard to ignore. Heck, the show can't even have a light hearted Biceller hold anymore without the lecture from Todd. Again, Todd's daughter. I'm going to defend Todd here so he doesn't have to. Todd's daughter, his oldest daughter, was just named the SEC Scholar Athlete. Scholar Athlete. Scholar Athlete. Athlete of the Year in the most prestigious successful collegiate athletics conference in America. She was the female Scholar Athlete of the year. Todd has spent more hours than you could even count driving kids to participating in sporting events their entire lives. The argument is not about sports. It's the same argument as before. It's about balance. Yeah, we kind of think you ought to know as much about your legislature as you do your fantasy football team. And we don't think that's a real big. It's a real big ask, really. Unfortunately, a lot of men don't. And that's who Todd is talking about. These aren't zero sum games. It's the sports bro who's made it a zero sum game. Finally, people are the problem, he says. I agree that people are the problem, but that means we're part of the problem too. We're also part of the solution. That phrase sounds clever, but everyone from the halls of Congress to the halls of the World Economic Forum are saying the exact same thing. Don't become that which you hate. More broadly, the show feels like it's. Let me address that. Since he went to a totally different point, I just have to say, if you think when I say that the people are the solution that that means the same thing as the World Economic Forum. I don't even want it to tell you at this point. I mean, I don't. I mean, I am presenting the worldview that is anathema to theirs. My definition of the terms that I use are way different than theirs. I. I don't. I can't even contemplate drawing that analogy. I honestly cannot. The rest of your. The rest of your points, I can see where you're coming from, but on. I think you're wrong, but I can see where you're coming from on this one, I have no idea, but I have a theory, and then I'll share when we get to the end of your note, which is coming up. More broadly, the show feels like it's shifted from talking with the audience to talking at the audience. That's totally wrong. We've always talked at the audience. We've always been a lecturing program. I was lecturing on the show before Todd and Aaron came to work here. There's never been a point at all that this was not a lecturing show. Jen used to have to take me aside all the time when she worked here and said, man, remember, you say you a lot. Say we more.

[Todd Erzin]

No, this is while simultaneously which show, mention it specifically has audience input three times a week. Monday, Wednesday, Friday, including right now. Like you, you fool.

[Steve Dace]

Disagreement is often met with lectures, mockery, or defensiveness. No, I mean, I haven't been lecturing, mocking, or defensive here. Stupidity and retardation is often met with those things, though I will completely and totally own up to that. And even with this email, you get the last word, correct? It is the Steve Day show, you know, So I. Do you want me to read the email and then stop broadcasting? There's no other way to not get the last word. I don't have to give you any word. I don't have to read this at all. Didn't have to put it on the air. So it's my show. As Ronald Reagan once famously said, I am literally paying for this microphone. So, yeah, I'm actually being, you know, I'm actually being accommodating by giving you a voice. I miss the days when different perspectives were welcomed, whether from the Catholic voice, the millennial voice, or others. Finally, Aaron speaks.

[Todd Erzin]

It's just.

[Steve Dace]

He closes with, so why am I writing instead of simply moving on after years of listening? I'm not entirely sure. Maybe it's because I've seen what the show was and what it seems to be becoming. Maybe it's because we're brothers in Christ. And it feels like you're drifting. Maybe because I want to keep listening, but can't on its current path. Whatever the reason, I felt compelled to say something. If the responses to mock me, dismiss me, or tell me to stop listening, so be it. I just hope you'll receive this in the spirit in which it was written. Well, in fairness to you, Steve, I hope you're going to receive my closing reply in the spirit that it was written. All right? I think. And this happens, okay? This is an intense show, and it always will be. I'm intense by nature. Todd, maybe even more so. All right? And Aaron is literally the epitome of the strong silent type. All right? So there's three guys here. There's no female filter. There's no counter here, Right? And in Todd's case, he's around women all day long. So you bet he comes in here anxious, anxious to mix it up. Todd has four daughters and a wife, all right? He's the lone rooster in the hen house, okay? So, yeah, you can bet he has. He's. He's anxious to get it on here, all right? In this. In this atmosphere, we're not always going to work for people, and that's okay. And I'm not. This is. I'm not telling you this to be dismissive. I think, frankly, you're just kind of sick of us, and I'm not offended at that. I totally get it. There's been, you know, there's been. There's been ips. Star wars was one of the jewels of my childhood. I'm kind of sick of it, you know, so that happens. And it's okay. Particularly given how intense we can be and how we do things. Looking at our numbers, we got plenty right now, you know, so if a few of you have to go because you get sick of what we're doing here and it's too intense and it's just not vibing where you're at in your life at that time.

[Robino (Editor of The Blaze)]

Cool.

[Steve Dace]

You know, by all means. I've got all kinds of shows I used to listen to. I don't anymore shows. I'd stop listening to that. I bring them back later. You know, it's so. It's okay. I'm not offended by that at all. My wife. No one loves me more than my wife. We need to take a break from each other every now and then. Totally cool, you know? So I think, frankly, you're just sick of us. And I think we would all admit that we would Give people reasons to be sick of us. I think we would all admit to that. Correct. Correct.

[Todd Erzin]

My motives are all pure. Case in point.

[Steve Dace]

All right. Me asked and answered, your honor.

[Commercial Announcer]

Right.

[Todd Erzin]

Right.

[Steve Dace]

Then and there would be a great example. All right, so it's. That's okay. You're letting. Because here's the thing. You sound like a really smart guy, but you made numerous self contradicting points here. And I think. Because I think it really just comes down to. And the reason I wanted to share Steve's note with you guys was one, I wanted you guys to hear me respond to his individual, very specific, you know, complaints. But two, I want to say this to anybody else that feels like Steve does. It's okay to have to walk away for a while or forever. It's okay. We're human beings. We get sick of each other. You know, we're not married. You don't owe me a lifetime. You know, we're not in covenant together. You know, it's. It's okay because I just think we've irritated you and you've gotten sick of us and that's okay, man.

[Todd Erzin]

Cool.

[Steve Dace]

Find something else that's more where you're at right now in life. You know? And hopefully with the same worldview. Just. They do it differently. That's all.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah. Like the view.

[Steve Dace]

I said with the same worldview. I said with the same worldview. That would not be the view. Aaron, you look like you want to say something.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I think that is the most charitable explanation.

[Todd Erzin]

I want to say everything.

[Aaron McIntyre]

It's the most charitable theory. I think what's interesting about this one in particular is that he listens or has listened to our show long enough to know exactly what we're concerned about, exactly what we try to zero in on regularly, exactly how we go about zeroing in on the things that we want to talk about and emphasize regularly. He knows this. It's beyond just a surface level explanation. He knows the explanations. It sounds like. Because I don't know how you would go piece by piece. There are five points there.

[Commercial Announcer]

Yes.

[Aaron McIntyre]

The things that he highlighted, especially the ones towards the end. The people are the problem. The sports, bro. The comfort thing. You know what makes this show tick. You know it. You know it well enough to know.

[Steve Dace]

Correct.

[Aaron McIntyre]

But I don't know why I keep getting the rich young ruler stuck in our head. We're not Jesus. The show is not Jesus. We're trying to point you towards him. In spite of ourselves most days. I'll just speak for myself. In spite of myself most days. We're trying to point you towards him keeping all his laws, keeping all his commandments. There's still one more thing. I don't know what that one thing is for you, but the rich young ruler is selling all of his possessions and he went away. What? Very, very. Not just sad, very sad. It might be something along those lines. Or you could just be sick of us. Could be that.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah. The tell with you at the end. Try to tidy things up with my brother in Christ. Yeah. See, we got a lot of brothers in Christ who, just like in the gospel and Aaron, points to a very specific example. Think they know? Want to know? Gosh, we've been talking about Gnosticism a lot differently, too. Didn't talk about legalism, just. But they have different plans. They have a different path. They don't like what they've heard. They have no plans to change. And that conviction sometimes is just dealt with and being uncomfortable and cowardice, but other times, it's dealt outwardly by planting your flag like I think we just saw and. Okay, brother in Christ, right back at you. Brother in Christ, your plans aren't good enough. You've got your own plans. What you just said has nothing to do with Christ's plans. Do better.

[Steve Dace]

On the other hand, there's Chantelle, and Chantelle says, I'm finding myself saying things Todd Erzin would say. Statements like, everyone's too soft and weak to change anything, and I don't think anyone has the balls to fight back. So thanks about that. And she wants to send along her blessings to you, Todd.

[Todd Erzin]

That a girl. Yes, that a girl.

[Steve Dace]

Kate Nelson in Little Falls, Minnesota, wants to know how long are you going to punish us for asking about when the show is live or not? Lm. Lmao. Beatings will continue until morale improves. All right, you've made your point. We won't ask anymore. We get it. Can you please make it stop? See, that might work. All right. Begging me might work. Coming at me. You know, zero sum never works. All right, so begging me. You know what, Kate? I. Yes, I will honor that request.

[Aaron McIntyre]

For future requests, though. What?

[Steve Dace]

Am I not merciful?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah, for future requests, though, what really works with Steve is passive aggressive.

[Steve Dace]

Oh, I love that even more. In fact, if the choice is threatening me or passive aggressive, definitely threaten me. Okay? You'll get further by threatening me than doing.

[Commercial Announcer]

Okay.

[Steve Dace]

But I love being begged, as most men. All right? So by all means, Kate. How can I say no to a woman who's come to beg? Right? Am I not merciful as the great Commodist once said. So. Yes, Kate. On behalf of Kate and her humble bequest, the revive has, at least for now, been retired and set aside two

[Todd Erzin]

girls in a row, coming in strong, cleaning up Steve's mess. Well done. Not your mess, the other.

[Steve Dace]

Oh, the other stave.

[Todd Erzin]

Yes.

[Steve Dace]

That is kind of funny. I didn't. I didn't order those like that. In fact, I just got the note from Steve yesterday and I. I don't really have room for it. But I thought, you know what? No, we're gonna make it first today and tackle this one right out of the gate. So until about three hours ago, it was supposed to be Kate and Chantelle back to back. But then I thought, now let's move Steve up.

[Todd Erzin]

So how many football games do you think Steve is watching here in two or three weekends?

[Steve Dace]

I know I don't know. Lots of. Do we have time for anybody else? We don't. No. There's the music. No, I know we don't.

[Todd Erzin]

We gave Steve all that time. Look at your generous heart again.

[Steve Dace]

Listen, I'm a lover, not a fighter. Everybody knows that, Tana. I'm not a selfish lover. You know that.

[Todd Erzin]

That was live.

[Steve Dace]

Live, live during the break. I may be unalived for saying that. We'll come back with more in a moment. Stay tuned. The Steve Day Show.

[Robino (Editor of The Blaze)]

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[Todd Erzin]

Indeed.

[Steve Dace]

Let's go to Paul. Paul wants to know why does nobody advocate for trans men to play in the NFL or NHL? Any person who identifies as a man should try out for an NFL or NHL team and compete against the best athletes in the world. By the way, this email was pre written. It is not live. I don't know when you will see it, but if you. But you are not reading this live in real time as it is being typed out. I appreciated the snottiness at the end.

[Robino (Editor of The Blaze)]

Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

Have you ever noticed there's no difference? Trans men are men, trans women are women, and yet can you find me the trans man who would survive one day? One day with pads on in an NFL training camp for any of those 32 teams, one day they'd be broken in half. Well, you're not in 10 minutes.

[Aaron McIntyre]

And that's. I know you're. You're using that as a figure of speech, but these hormones hollow out your bones. Yep, they do. And so, yes, they would be broken very fast.

[Todd Erzin]

There's, there's a gal about, I don't know, five or six years older than Ainsley graduated the University of Arkansas. Now, she happens to be one of the best women's milers in the country. And she competes internationally at a high level. And she is. Claims to be trans. And she. The way she describes it in this way is it's. It's day to day. These are her words, you know, one day.

[Steve Dace]

So she, meaning she's biologically female and she's claiming to be a trans.

[Todd Erzin]

She's a woman. And she. But she. She is trans. And she says in her case, it's like a day to day. Guess which day she always wakes up feeling like when it's race day. Every day so far, Steve.

[Steve Dace]

That's when she knows she's a woman. She feels like a woman every day.

[Todd Erzin]

She feels like a woman on race day.

[Steve Dace]

Funny when she's got to go up against the guy she isn't. That's. Those aren't the days. She's struggling with gender identity.

[Todd Erzin]

Now on the day she actually cut off her own breasts, she felt like a dude that day. But on race day, always like a woman. It's amazing.

[Steve Dace]

It's funny how that works, huh? Yeah. Kenneth Wiggins just sent this note.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I got to read this.

[Steve Dace]

3500 is your reduced honorarium. My dreams of having you come to my birthday party to entertain me are gone. Is Todd cheaper?

[Aaron McIntyre]

That's great. Yes, he is.

[Todd Erzin]

Yes, yes, Significantly so. That's great.

[Steve Dace]

Oh, my gosh. Actually, just tell Todd you have a soapbox and you'll cover his cost. He's there. All right. Just give him a. Just give him a platform. You'll cover his costs.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I'll smoke a brisket on stage for you.

[Steve Dace]

There you go. Yes. Joanne Kennedy in Springfield, New Jersey. All right, let's get serious here for a second. She says it was great to see Dr. Atlas back on the show. I'm glad you asked him about the future for patients and trust. Unfortunately, post pandemic doctors have not gotten the message. By and large, after building trust and giving patients the data, or about building trust and giving patients the data, I have two recent examples of this. Two and a half years ago, after being diagnosed with cancer, I asked my oncologist for two peer reviewed papers in support of the treatment he was proposing and two papers with alternative views, I was rebuffed. I explained that I did not have access to journals with recent publications. He said to look in the library where I teach. Teaching there doesn't mean I have access to medical journals, not in my discipline. Recently, in an unrelated medical matter, my doctor did extensive blood work and proposed a particular medication. I asked her to provide the prescriber info for the drug before I took it. She smirked at me and said what are you going to do with what are you going to do with knowing about Fill in the blank drug? Her comportment conveyed that she was the special holder of such knowledge. I said I wanted to see the results of the clinical trials of this medication for the malady she suspected I had. She said to look it up on Google. Thanks again for having Dr. Atlas on today. I'm so happy for you guys and your success. So first of all, Joanne, I'm guessing if you were fighting cancer a couple years ago, that that has been a successful fight. So first and foremost we want to say we hope that's the case and that you're doing well and in remission, if not completely and totally cancer free. Okay? So now with that said, of course, because that's the most important thing that we could say to Joanne. Thoughts on the rest of her note.

[Todd Erzin]

Well, we have got to. I've said this about vaccines again, most conservative Christians still believe the lie about these things. So why would the medical establishment change when there really haven't been consequences of any kind? Furthermore, listen, you in particular, having cancer, you know, when it reaches, you know, that level, obviously there's interventions as detached as I am from traditional medicine, no regular checkups for me, for my family of any kind. But you know, my daughter Tessa wanted to continue her soccer career, had some leg surgeries to deal with relatively minor things. But overall, we have to. There's no choice. There's no choice. There's no choice. You have got to start detaching yourself from this medical establishment if you want to change it, if all. If we continue to be addicted to it in the way that we currently are and we are at a very emotional, psychological and religious level, we trust these people way more than we trust and, and maybe low bar, but trust our clergyman, et cetera, et cetera. We just can't keep being frustrated with it and then slurping on it indefinitely. It doesn't have your best interests in mind a lot. Doctor to doctor. I will let everybody off the hook on that one. When you find a good one, keep them. Yeah, but folks, there's a. Yes, they don't. They. They get very irritated. I've experienced it myself. When you dare to hold them accountable, one doctor once again said, if my kid were sitting next to your kid or in the same class as you, I don't think I'd want them sitting next to you. And I said, yes, doctor, but your kid's vaccinated. Their smugness overcomes logical reasoning just like that. I shouldn't be able to outsmart him like that. Steve should not be able to outsmart Anthony Fauci like he did over and, and over again, but we do. Why do you keep putting your trust in that level of institution? Because that's everywhere.

[Steve Dace]

I know a lot of people can't do this. If you can, though, you know, I make a good enough living that I can. We. I have, I have two doctors. I have one in the conventional system who is a right winger, but he also tends to look at things conventionally. And then I have Dr. Molly James, who's in the alternative system, who came out of the conventional system, and she's a cash doctor. And so I'll often try to get the best information from both, from both angles, you know, and I'll, in fact, a lot of times I'll have Molly, you know, look at the, the, the conventional doctor and say, hey, is this good? And a lot of times she actually says, yeah, I think it's okay. There's been a few times she's been like, don't do that. And so I haven't, you know, but if you've got options and relationships and contacts where, you know, you can have one in the conventional system, because that is where a lot of the great innovations are also happening. That, a lot of the, the breakthrough treatments and things like on cancer, for example. But that's great. But I would, if you can get an integrative health doctor, somebody like that, homeopathic somebody, that, and that a cash only, that just gives you another option to question what's going on and be better informed with, with the data, for sure. I would suggest that. Aaron, I'm curious because Bella's a nurse with a lot of these alternative views who has worked in the conventional system at the same time. So what advice might you have for folks like Joanne and others?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah, try to get the most balanced perspective that you can. But that balanced perspective, as you are articulating without saying so explicitly, Steve, that starts with you and being willing to advocate for yourself, ask questions for yourself. Gone, gone, gone are the days. And maybe those days never really were there to begin with, but gone are the days where you can explicitly and implicitly trust your physician just because they have a doctor in front of their name. Now, that doesn't mean that you should always, always, always distrust them. But I think it's better and probably the only option to Go into checkups, to go into finding a new primary care physician if you want to have one at all, with skepticism. And so you have to advocate for yourself, which means what? More work for you, more reading for you, more research for you, more formulation of questions for you. And hopefully you can find some resources, hopefully you can find some repositories where you know what, you can kind of do some of your own research, get the balanced perspective so that you can kind of tell when maybe your doctor or your physician is maybe leading you down the path of you're just a number versus looking at you as a human being who needs to be treated. Because for a long time in this country, and this is, this is one of the great, one of the great casualties of COVID is there was an innocence about this country that we always thought that we could trust our local doctor. And that's gone. It's gone now. Too many people, as Todd said, still trust their local doctor implicitly. But for those of us, the 20% or so who did not get the jab, and it's greater numbers than that, probably across the board, gone are the days where you can just trust anybody within the system implicitly. So you have to find that balanced perspective. And that means more work for you on the front end, but hopefully better results for you on the back end.

[Steve Dace]

Listen, there are things in, you know, Steve's email a little while ago, there are things that we will challenge you that you are expected to do that is part of what it means to be a citizen. But. But there's a couple things that you shouldn't have to do that. And this is what Aaron's describing and what I talk. This is one of them. It should not be up to you either. As I talked about a couple days ago on the show. It should not be up to you either to be individually having to stop or stand up to the spread of Islam because the people who have been in power to do so didn't do their jobs or won't do them sufficiently now. And so the city council just doesn't care and votes 7 nothing over your own objections to build a large Islamic center, that there's plenty of things we're not doing as a people that we do have to do. And we will point those out to you on the show, sometimes not always nicely. But these are a couple things that you really should not be having to do. You should not be having to, on a molecular level, beg your city council to not get invaded by Islamists. You should not have to do that. You should not have to do the level of medical background work that Aaron is suggesting. You should not have to do that. And really, no previous generations of Americans really had to do that. But it's not wrong. It's where we are. We're going to have to take on some assignments. It's not just now we've got to take on the assignments that we should have had all along, that we coasted and sloughed off on that because we got comfortable, but now we got to take on a couple of assignments that really we shouldn't have to, but we do, we do have to do that. It sucks, but it's where we are. Ben Carsten says, again, I want to thank you guys from the bottom of my heart. We went through a pregnancy in 21 and 22 after years of failed attempts. Your show helped give me the courage to navigate the pressures that my wife's wife and I were facing at the time to give in to the jab. We stood on our convictions in the light of our lives. Now a healthy 4 year old now I weep for those who didn't have that courage and the children that were lost with those increased, those increased rates of miscarriage. We need Nuremberg 2.0 now or they'll definitely do this again. I want to see Fauci pay, but I think as a Christian, it's more important to see Francis Collins brought to justice. His betrayal was far more damaging worldwide to the Church. That again is from Ben Carstens. And I'll reiterate what I said, guys at the top. There is no even disputed protection for Francis Collins. There's nothing. And he was Fauci's boss. Technically, there's nothing stopping going after Francis Collins whatsoever. Nothing. Either one of you want to add anything to that?

[Todd Erzin]

Well, it's a target rich environment for people who want consequences. We are not a people who, generally speaking, want consequences. So we're going to look past a lot of the targets that could be changing this thing again. The whole situation in health care is very much driven by there's just too much money. Sound familiar? If. If you psychologically and emotionally aren't capable, like our letter, of weaning yourself from what is an addiction. Are you feeling good this year and are you in your, you know, mid-30s? Why are you going to the doctor? You don't have to. That's a lie. Regular checkups maybe for old guys like me, once I start turning that corner. You're addicted to a certain kind of thinking that is utterly unnecessary. And it's up to you to realize

[Robino (Editor of The Blaze)]

that

[Aaron McIntyre]

it is a target rich environment. And here's my great fear. I do believe what was done to Anthony Fauci over the last two weeks, the absolute embarrassment and humiliation is a form of accountability. Unfortunately, it's a form of accountability that doesn't have really lasting, lasting consequences. And here's why. Because the next Dr. Anthony Fauci, you know what he's not going to do? He's not going to put anything in text, he's not going to put anything in email. The lesson that's been learned is be more secretive about it. That is, if Anthony Fauci is not prosecuted and pays some price, whether it's reputational damage, whether it's fortune damage, whether it's sitting in a prison cell, those are the types of consequences that regardless of how secretive the next Anthony Fauci thinks he or she can be, those are the types of consequences that makes the next Anthony Fauci think twice before engaging in that secrecy that they probably want to do and will try to engage in. Those are the serious consequences. So yes, Anthony Fauci was humiliated. That is a consequence. All of his secret diaries, that is a consequence, but it's not a long lasting consequence. So the people like Anthony Fauci, the people like Francis Collins, Debbie Burks, et al, those are the people that really need to be made a lasting consequence, a lasting example out of. Or else we're going to get another Debbie Burks, we're going to get another Anthony Fauci, we'll get another Francis Collins, and the song remains the same.

[Steve Dace]

Well said. I do think it is, I think for a guy with the malignant forms of narcissism that Fauci has to see none of the media and pop culture entities that turned him into a phenomenon, to see none of them bring him back and attempt to rehabilitate him or stand up for him. Don't underestimate how, how debilitating that is to, to a, to a psyche as driven by the, by me as that one is. Again, as Aaron said, that's not sufficient. But it's not nothing either. Have a great weekend. Back at it again on Monday. Until then, go hard. Romans 8:28. Hey guys, have you heard of Gold Belly? It's this amazing site where they ship the most iconic famous foods from restaurants across the country anywhere nationwide. I've never found a more perfect gift than food. Gold Belly ship Chicago deep dish pizza, New York bagels, Maine lobster rolls and even Ina Garden's famous cakes. So if you're looking for a gift for the food lover in your Life, head to goldbelly.com and get 20% off your first order with promo code gift. That's goldbelly. Com Promo code gift.