Time for the GOP to WAKE UP: 2026 May Be Close to Lost | 3/11/26

Summary

Steve Deace Show | Time for the GOP to WAKE UP: 2026 May Be Close to Lost (3/11/26)

Podcast Host: Steve Deace
Network: Blaze Podcast Network
Date: March 11, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode offers a hard-hitting exploration of the challenges currently facing the Republican Party (GOP) in the run-up to the 2026 midterms, highlighting the inaction on key legislation (notably the Save America Act), shifting political coalitions, threats to the party base, and the dire state of the American economy in the wake of international instability. With Deace's trademark principled conservatism and sharp wit, the discussion goes beyond surface-level politics to diagnose the root causes of GOP malaise, warn of an impending electoral disaster if urgent course corrections aren’t made, and call for renewed seriousness in both the party and its voters.

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Table of Contents

1. Setting the Stage: A Family Meeting on Principles and Division (00:50–09:43)
2. “What Happened While We Were Away” – News Rundown (09:48–14:24)
3. Main Topic: GOP at the Brink – Why 2026 May Be a Lost Year (15:53–41:45)
   • The Vitality of the Save America Act & Base Demoralization
   • The Rising Threat of Anti-Semitism on the Right
   • The GOP's History of Losing Its Base
4. Economic Deep Dive with Ryan Bailey (33:16–47:39)
5. Buy, Sell, or Hold: Listener Submissions & Speculation (53:00–79:17)
6. The Breakdown with Daniel Horowitz: Why Suburbs Are Fleeing the GOP (79:17–94:30)
7. Final Takeaways and Reflections (94:34–End)

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1. Setting the Stage: A Family Meeting on Principles and Division

(00:50–09:43)

• Steve Deace opens with a “family meeting”—addressing ongoing right-wing debates on social media, particularly around anti-Semitism, racism, and the definition of “woke.”
• Emphasizes that his show's guiding light is a biblical worldview: "If you are promoting blatant racism, blatant false witnessing, blatant anti-Semitism, then I don’t care how many other issues we agree on, we are not aligned." (06:03)
• Deace welcomes disagreement but draws a hard line against crossing biblical moral boundaries, even when it comes from those ostensibly on the same team.
• Highlights the variety of backgrounds among his team and friends as proof of genuine commitment to diversity of thought—provided it’s rooted in truth and love for one's neighbor.

Notable Quote:
“We are not permitted to violate the character of God in order to advance the word of God, because the number one thing the word of God cares about is your character and mine.” – Steve Dace (07:51)

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2. “What Happened While We Were Away” – News Rundown

(09:48–14:24)

Aaron McIntyre provides a rapid-fire update on key events:

• Senate GOP Leadership: John Thune admits defeatist strategy on immigration, essentially “Operation Failure Theater.”
• Chuck Schumer: Candidly admits "tens of millions" of ineligible voters are on US voter rolls—fueling outrage over election integrity.
• Iran Conflict: CENTCOM reports over 5,500 US strikes on Iran-related targets, with global oil supply disruptions looming.
• Domestic Business Migration: Yamaha moves HQ to Georgia; Exxon Mobil’s HQ shift to Texas; Starbucks CEO flees Washington state for Florida. Stark out-migration from blue states to red states.
• Voter Integrity: Emphasis on the importance of the Save America Act as central to the coming midterms.

Notable Moment:
“Chuck Schumer literally saying there are tens of millions of ... people on the voter rolls that don’t belong there, that aren’t Americans. ... So here’s the thing, though. He’s roughly eight months away from being Senate Majority Leader ... if they don’t pass the Save America Act, there’s no realistic economic outcome on the table that will save us from getting obliterated in these midterms.” — Steve Dace (15:53)

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3. Main Topic: GOP at the Brink – Why 2026 May Be a Lost Year

The Vitality of the Save America Act & Base Demoralization

(15:53–30:11, 41:45–48:14)

• The Save America Act—meant to purge ineligible voters—has become the litmus test for GOP seriousness. Failure to pass it is seen as dooming the party in the midterms.
• Deace argues, using sports analogies, that some political mistakes are the equivalent of “turning the ball over three times in the first quarter”—possibly impossible to recover from.
• Loss of even 5% of the GOP base turnout could result in catastrophic electoral consequences, especially given already unfavorable national mood and voter identification numbers.

Notable Quotes:
“If they don’t pass this and put it on Trump’s desk for him to sign it, this will be a historically bad midterm. Not just your typical president in office. Historically bad.” — Steve Dace (17:44)

“Not doing this will euthanize our base.” — Steve Dace (24:05)

The Rising Threat of Anti-Semitism on the Right

(20:40–24:05, after 62:12, 76:02)

• Discussion of the growing prominence of anti-Semitic rhetoric among some right-wing online communities—especially prominent figures like Tucker Carlson.
• Steve clarifies that this is still mostly restricted to online “activists” and has not yet filtered into the GOP “normie” base: “If you went and asked the average normie Republican voter who Nick Fuentes is, they would not know.”
• Warns, however, that the online feuding is tenacious and divisive, drawing historical parallels to Ron Paul–era splinter debates.

The GOP's History of Losing Its Base

(27:00–30:11, and throughout the episode)

• The recurring theme is that GOP leadership (consultants, strategists) regularly advises moderation and dilution of positions to attract swing voters, but this strategy consistently results in losing the base.
• Critiques failed messaging on immigration and election integrity, alluding to previous missteps where the party “sold out” true believers only to fail to win over “normie” independents or Democrats.

Key Exchange:
Steve Dace: “How many times has your base will just vote for you no matter what, so sell them out and give the normies who already hate you, the messaging probably won’t make a difference. How many times has that one worked?”
Todd Erzin: “It hasn’t.” (28:10–28:11)

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4. Economic Deep Dive with Ryan Bailey, Young America Capital

(33:16–47:39)

Guest: Ryan Bailey, capital markets expert

• Stagflation Fears: Bailey explains that the economy is shifting from a short-lived “Goldilocks” period to a probable stagflation scenario—where growth slows but inflation remains high, especially with oil prices surging due to war with Iran.
• Impact of War: If the war is short-lived, oil prices and inflation might stabilize in a couple of months. But ongoing conflict could make economic conditions and supply shocks persistent through the election cycle.
• Housing Market Crunch: Although housing inflation is decelerating (from +7% in March 2024 to +1.8% in December 2025), the cumulative impact of past years’ price surges means homes remain unaffordable for many, with little relief on the horizon.

Notable Quotes:
“You have to remember, right, it’s hard because like anything, inflation for the consumer is cumulative.” — Ryan Bailey (43:16)

“Hurting people’s disposable income with inflation is going to hurt.” — Ryan Bailey (45:59)

Steve Dace: “When you drive up the cost of what transports the substance that transports every good and service, you’re going to drive up inflation, obviously.” (47:29)

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5. Buy, Sell, or Hold: Listener Speculation & GOP Scenarios

(53:00–79:17)

Steve, Todd, and Aaron field listener "Buy, Sell, or Hold" predictions, including:

• Whether the SAVE Act’s demise will spark serious third-party challenges (Steve: “You’d need billions—much easier to just take over the GOP with a billion dollars than to build a new party from scratch.” 55:47)
• Future Supreme Court changes (e.g., Ted Cruz as a Justice)—generally approved by the panel
• The practical futility of expecting large, organic right-wing grassroots challenges given the current state of the base

Memorable Exchange (on third parties):
Steve Dace: “I get wanting to want a third party, but I’d love to see what a second one looks like.” (66:51)

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6. Breakdown with Daniel Horowitz: The Suburbs, Policy, and What the GOP Is Missing

(79:17–94:30)

Guest: Daniel Horowitz

• Loss of Suburbs: Horowitz points out that despite temporary shifts in non-white and low-propensity turnout, the foundational GOP collapse is rooted in the loss of suburban voters. The party is “suffering all the liabilities and none of the benefits of incumbency.”
• Policy Vacuum: GOP is failing to offer meaningful economic policy solutions (particularly on health care and cost of living) that matter in people’s day-to-day lives.
• Meme Conservatism: The GOP’s descent into low-brow trolling without substantive legislative achievement is actively bleeding suburban support.
• Data Point: Even “Trump-won” areas are flipping without a concerted ground game or persuasive policy focus.
• Warning: The lack of organization, fundraising, or candidate quality compared to even the Tea Party era is cited as a generational lowering of the party’s capabilities. Incumbents dominate, and the base is dangerously passive.

Notable Quotes:
“We’re suffering all of the liabilities and none of the benefits of incumbency. We’re not really addressing things that are bothering [suburbanites].” — Daniel Horowitz (82:04)

“We need a new plan because what we’re doing now is not working.” — Daniel Horowitz (94:27)

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7. Final Takeaways and Reflections

(94:34–end)

• Todd Erzin closes with a sobering reflection: the left is “far better citizens than the people on the right”—they organize, vote, and act, while the right looks for shortcuts or resigns itself to defeat.
• Aaron McIntyre: “History books are written by those who show up.”
• Steve Dace notes that even competitive GOP primaries (like Matt Bevin’s against Mitch McConnell) often suffer smaller turnouts than Democratic contests; the problem is more profound than any one politician.

Notable Quote:
“The results are what they are … These are things that we could have been doing all along, but we just chose not to, for a generation.” – Steve Dace (95:53)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:50 — Steve opens with a “family meeting” on core principles
• 09:48 — “What Happened While We Were Away” news montage
• 15:53 — GOP midterm peril & the Save America Act
• 33:16 — Ryan Bailey interview: stagflation, oil, housing, economic risks
• 41:45 — Recap and implications for the midterms
• 53:00 — Buy, Sell, or Hold: Listener speculation
• 79:17 — Daniel Horowitz segment: Losing the suburbs, policy vacuum
• 94:34 — Concluding thoughts on civic participation and GOP malaise

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Episode Summary: Key Themes

• GOP’s existential threat stems as much from internal apathy and policy vacuity as from external enemies.
• Anti-Semitism & division: Issue growing online, but the real threat is losing focus on unifying issues that actually mobilize the base.
• Economy: War, inflation, and a stalled housing market spell trouble, with little sign the GOP is ready to offer solutions attractive to the median voter.
• Suburbs as battlefield: The exodus of moderate/suburban voters is critical, and can’t be counterbalanced by marginal increases with “non-traditional” GOP voters.
• Action > Rhetoric: Without passing meaningful election integrity legislation (the Save America Act) and showing tangible change, the GOP risks not just a bad year—but perhaps a generational realignment.

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If you missed the episode, this summary delivers Steve Dace’s urgent, honest critique: The GOP, its base, and its leadership are all at a crossroads—2026 could be the year the party truly loses its way, unless it wakes up soon.

Transcript

[Steve Dace]

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[Ryan Bailey]

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[Todd Erzin]

Games.

[Steve Dace]

And greetings. Happy Wednesday. Welcome to the Steep day show here live and on demand on Blaze tv, radio and podcast. I am Steve Dase, he's Todd erzin, he's Aaron McIntyre. Coming up on today's show, we got a jam packed show for you today. In fact, at the bottom of the hour we're going to talk to a friend of mine who works in the capital investment, venture capital finance world and he does so handling millions of dollars, but not so many millions that he's completely out of step and out of tune with kitchen table issues as well. And I want him to kind of help us as best as possible understand the current economic environment beyond the buzzword affordability. Like, like why is affordability an issue? Right. And walk us through some of those macro signs because he's always, I mean his job is to be thinking 30 days to a quarter ahead all the time, right. So he's, he's already looking at what things are going to look like later in the spring and summertime right now when we're trying, many of us are, many of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck, Right. And so I want him to kind of explain to us why the economy is the way that it is and where it's going and what might help it get to the places that we want it to go. Right. So we're trying to do that in about 15 minutes at the bottom of the hour as best as we possibly can to make that issue as accessible to as many of you as possible. And then next hour, of course we're going to have buy seller, hold with your submissions. We'll get to as many of those as we can. And then what remains we will deal with those in the overTime for Blaze TV subscribers at BlazeTV.com/DACE Go there today to get your subscription $20 off an annual subscription with my last name days [e-mail] dace code days. And then we're going to be joined in the final segment by the weekly Prophet of woe and lamentation, Daniel Horowitz. He's going to take us inside politics. Now, before we get to all of that, though, I just want to make a little point of order right now here at the top of the show. And I. I just felt compelled to post something about this on all my social medias this morning because we're having another debate and discourse on several fronts on the right. And I just want to make sure everybody understands where I'm coming from and, and why as a show, we do things the way that we do. Okay, so just off the top, just a quick little disclaimer every now and then. You gotta, like, like, my wife sent me a note this morning, hey, can we have, you know, a meeting just to make sure our budget situation's updated and we're on the same page with your upcoming speaking schedule. Right. I'm sure you and Jill do that. You and Bell. I'm sure Aaron do that. Right. Got to get on the same page. You have weekly meetings in your company wherever you work. Right. Make sure we're all, you know, rowing in the same direction. So consider that this for the show and then also for you as the audience. All right? I want to make sure everybody understands, if you don't already, that I am totally fine, totally fine with all kinds of debate and discourse on our side. And you can just see by my own habitat, the. The people I surround myself with, who I. Who I work with, who I support. Right over here, we have Todd Erzin. I mean, I hired him to edit my content, hold me accountable to my own standards. He's a Catholic, and I'm a fun and fundamentalism evangelical. For the last eight years, we have been partnered here with our content via the Blaze, a platform founded by a Mormon. And I don't think, you know, Joseph Smith was a prophet. One of my best friends in this business is Daniel Horowitz, a Jews Jew who doesn't think Yeshua of Nazareth is Messiah. And I think there is salvation to be found in no other name. The very first time I ever mobilized my platform for a specific political outcome is was for a black Democrat to get him on my local school board here in Des Moines. I've got friends. I might be one of the few people in America who could send a text right now to either or on McIntyre and Joel Berry. I'd have to do it separately. All right. But I could send a text to either Oron McIntyre or Joel Barry and get a response in a relatively short amount of time. I. That's probably going to be a pretty short list, I would imagine. Right. All right. So I've got friends on both sides of the whole woke right thing. I don't even know what woke right means. I think we kind of decided that the woke left thing is to pivot to some kind of racial or sexual identity whenever you're cornered on something. Right. And so woke right now means if, if your immediate pivot when you've been called out or disagreed with heavens to betsies, that would ever happen. Is that the Jews, then that's what woke right is. Right. Some people think woke right means doing anything that the Republican Party has not done to lose for the last 30 years. Right. As we don't really know much of what that debate's about. Needless to say, I've got friends on both sides of it. I've got friends on both sides of the current Iran war debate, for example, too. And you know how that happens? It's because I'm a biblical worldview guy. And that means that I do my fallible best not to impose my own narratives on stories and situations, but to seek out what is true and apply it to the ultimate truth, the Word of God, which I think is the only perfect thing on the earth. And if I perceive that we are aligned with my understanding of that truth, then we can absolutely work together despite all kinds of disagreements in other areas, even disagreements in other areas where the word of God is,

[Todd Erzin]

is.

[Steve Dace]

Is discussed. We can do that. But, you know, here's the thing about God's word. Doesn't. It doesn't just stop at, you know, put him in his word first and foremost, with all my heart, soul, strength and mind. It then says, you know, one. One way that I will demonstrate I've done that is that I will love my neighbor as I love myself. Now we understand what that means via the context of God's word. It doesn't mean we roll over to evil, doesn't mean we allow our, our God to be mocked. It doesn't mean we, we just surrender our faith and our traditions because we, you know, we want to. You know, there's, there's some commandment God, the eleventh one he forgot on the second stone. Thou must be nice in all situations. It doesn't mean that. But what it does mean is that if you are promoting blatant racism, blatant false witnessing, blatant anti Semitism, then I don't care how many other issues we agree on, we are not aligned. Over the last few years of this show, over the last five years of this show. Would the two of you say that if you took the. The full composite of positions and convictions on issues we have expressed in the. Within the battles of the day, have we. Would we be. Have. Would we have been more aligned? Would I have been more aligned on everything I've said and written with Tucker Carlson or Mark Levin? Would you say.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Probably Carlson is your.

[Steve Dace]

I think your mic is shorted out again, Todd, if you want to tap that puppy again.

[Todd Erzin]

Hello. There we go.

[Steve Dace]

There you go. Say that again.

[Todd Erzin]

Look at that. The Fonz. I wanted to be fair and considerate, but I think it's still in Tucker's favor.

[Steve Dace]

Overall, I think when you take the. The anti Semitism issue off the table. Take the anti Semitism issue off the table, what is it? Overwhelmingly Tucker.

[Todd Erzin]

Yes.

[Steve Dace]

Yes. Well, here's the thing. At this point, I've run out of excuses for what he is. I mean, I can't come up with excuses, rationales, benefits of the doubt. He's just flat out proffering anti Semitic tropes At this point. I'm not really sure without being an anti Semite, what other conclusion I could possibly come to. And so therefore, I have to love my neighbor as I love myself and my alignment with God and his Word comes before any alignment with any of you in any issues. And I. I'm not permitted to do that and neither is anybody else. And God won't bless that. He won't. It doesn't matter how great your positions are on vaccines, if you're a racist, God's not going to bless you. I promise you. Won't happen. It won't. It doesn't matter how right you are right about Epstein. If you're out there using AI to put out fake tropes and accuse people falsely and, and committing that of your own volition, God will never bless your efforts for justice. Won't happen. We are not permitted to violate the character of God in order to advance the word of God, because the number one thing the word of God cares about is your character and mine. And there are just certain things you just, you cannot do and they are verboten. And so no matter how many other issues we may be aligned on, if you are peddling things that clearly violate loving your neighbor as you love yourself, you are false witnessing. You are promoting blatant anti Semitism, blatant racism, then we're not aligned. And my commentary is going to reflect that. And I just wanted to make sure that given everything going on right now and all the debates and discussions we're having again right now. I wanted to do just a little point of order here, a little family meeting at the start just to clarify things. Little palate cleanser, everybody. All right with that?

[Todd Erzin]

Hear, hear.

[Steve Dace]

Right. And with that, now let's get to it. Aaron's rundown of what happened while we were away.

[Aaron McIntyre]

What happened while we were away, brought to you by the Save America Act. Looks like it needs a savior.

[Steve Dace]

We don't have the votes either to proceed, get on a talking filibuster, nor to sustain one if we got on it. But that's just, that is just a function of math and there isn't anything I can do about that. I mean, I understand the president's got a passion to see this issue addressed as we all do.

[Daniel Horowitz]

Does he understand that, though?

[Steve Dace]

Well, we've conveyed that to him, but we will continue to make that argument because I think it's important that everybody understand that this really is about, it's about the votes, it's about the math. And I'm for better or worse, I'm the one who has to be the clear eyed realist about what we can achieve here.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yep. Senate Majority Leader John Thune tells reporters he is fully engaged in Operation Failure Theater.

[Steve Dace]

We're going to have the fight on the floor. We're going to vote on this, we're going to put it up and we'll give the Democrats the opportunity to cast

[Ryan Bailey]

their vote on whether or not they

[Steve Dace]

think non citizens ought to vote in American elections.

[Aaron McIntyre]

And says there's nothing he can do about the fact his chamber sucks. Learning Chinese today. Today's phrase is have you tried a whip? Yes, John Thune and Senate Republicans are actively trying to help Democrats keep tens of millions of their voters on the voter rolls. How do I know this? Chuck Schumer said so it allows ice

[Ryan Bailey]

to kick tens of billions of people off the rolls, off the rolls and

[Steve Dace]

they don't tell them until election day.

[Ryan Bailey]

And you show up and you say you're not registered anymore, you're not registered here, you're not on the rolls in Iran.

[Aaron McIntyre]

CENTCOM provided another update this morning stating US forces have struck more than 5,500 targets inside Iran and have sunk or damaged more than 60 naval vessels. The news comes as sporadic reports of Iranian attempts to mine the Strait of Hormuz have surfaced. Also sporadic reports of attacks on ships attempting to pass through the global oil chokepoint. Trump, in a post on Truth Social yesterday said he has no reports of mining the strait, but warned Iran against it. He also said Nearly a dozen inactive mine laying vessels were destroyed yesterday as well. The price of oil has held relatively steady over the past 24 hours in the mid dollar 80 per barrel range. Back at home, amid reports the White House is encouraging Republican members of Congress to ditch talk of mass deportations, House Speaker Mike Johnson seems to have gotten the message loud and clear.

[Steve Dace]

We got a little hiccup with some of the Hispanic and Latino voters for certain because some of the immigran immigration enforcement was viewed to be overzealous and you know, everybody can describe it differently. But here's the good news. We're in a course correction mode right now. We're going to have a new Secretary of Homeland Security. Mark Wayne Mullen is going to be do a great job in that role. I'm sure that he'll be confirmed by the Senate. He's a thoughtful guy. He'll bring a thoughtful approach. You have somebody like Tom holman who has 40 years experience in the field and was decorated by former Democrat presidents for his acumen and expertise and he went into Minneapolis and brought calm to the chaos there. That's what you're going to see.

[Aaron McIntyre]

And now some interesting and I'm sure completely unrelated business and internal migration news hitting all on one day. Nearly simultaneously, Yamaha Motor Corporation USA is moving its US headquarters from California to Georgia after nearly 50 years in the Golden State. Citing business conditions, oil giant Exxon Mobil announced it intends to drop its New Jersey corporate registration and redomicile in Texas. The company has had its main operational HQ in Texas since the 80s, but its incorporation has existed in New Jersey since the 1880s then as standard Oil. Exxon also cites business conditions. Former Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz announced this week he's leaving Washington state for Florida. Lawmakers in Washington just approved the first for that state a millionaire tax of 9.9% for those making over the million dollar mark. Washington state it previously had no income tax. Earlier this month Seattle based Starbucks announced its intentions to open a corporate office in the Nashville, Tennessee area. According to Moving Service. Hire a helper. Here are the states which saw the biggest influxes of movers from other states and vice versa. As you can see, some of the deepest red states saw the biggest influxes while the deepest blue states saw the greatest outflows. Contrary to what you might think, that might not be the greatest news of all time. And finally we go back to Iran with the introduction, the formal introduction of their new supreme leader Motaba K.

[Steve Dace]

Boy

[Aaron McIntyre]

I wish that was real. Pretty close to what happened. That's what happened while we were away?

[Steve Dace]

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[Todd Erzin]

The only serious question to ask right now is how many federal crimes did Chuck Schumer just admit to correct? And why aren't we not arresting, well,

[Steve Dace]

tens of millions of them at least because there's tens of millions of foreigners and non citizens on the voter rolls, according to the Senate Minority leader. So here's the thing, though. He's roughly eight months away from being Senate Majority Leader because I'm going to tell you right now, if they don't pass the Save America act, There's, there's no realistic economic outcome on the table that will save us from getting obliterated in these midterms. Now, when I say this, understand the context of this, I'm not going to sit here for the, you know, if they don't do this for the whole campaign and tell you don't vote, doesn't matter. I'm not going to do that. I'm gonna do the same show I always do and I'm gonna hope we win. Right? But other moments when you watch your favorite team and you just know, listen, if we commit that third turnover in the first quarter, we're not winning. Aaron, remember y' all played Christian McCaffrey in the Rose. Well, it wasn't. Stanford just played Christian McCaffrey. Do you remember that one?

[Aaron McIntyre]

No.

[Steve Dace]

Exactly. You know why you forgot that one?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Because it sucked.

[Steve Dace]

Because it sucked. Because you're like, you know, if we turn this ball over one more time, if we let them do this one more time in the first quarter, this game is over. Was it over in the first quarter? Yes. Did you stop rooting for your team? Did you, you know, did you decide to root against your team? No. You want him to win, but you just kind of knew. If we keep making these kinds of mistakes at this juncture of the game, the likelihood that there's enough Runway later in the game or something dramatic will happen to alter how big of a hole we've dug ourselves later in the game. The likelihood of that is not high.

[Todd Erzin]

Right, right.

[Steve Dace]

Right. So it won't impact the way I'll analyze and cover this election the rest of the year. I'm just going to put this marker down right now here on March 11th. If they don't pass this and put it on Trump's desk for him to sign it, this will be a historically bad midterm. Not just your typical president in office. Historically bad. The toxicity of this is way more than the Iran war. And let me explain why. There are. There are normie voters within. There's not just the normie voter that we talk about. Right. Hardcore people Democrat, hardcore people Republican, and then the normie voter, but there are normie voters within the two political parties, too. Now, admittedly, there's not a lot of normie voters in the Democratic Party left, but they do still show up sometimes when we see polling on things like, well, the Save America Acts, which shows a overwhelming majority of Democrats are in favor of this. Right?

[Todd Erzin]

Yes.

[Steve Dace]

Or on banning tranny surgeries for kids, which show an overwhelming amount of Democrats are in favor of that, too. Right. Okay. So every once in a while, there's an issue that is so obvious now. There used to be, when you and I were kids, there were lots of these kinds of issues. Lots of them. But there's not that many of them anymore. Okay. But every now and then, there is still an overwhelmingly common sense. We, since we're not utterly depraved and just totally depraved, there's enough of the. Of a soul still within us, no matter how fallen we are. Okay. And how much of the government dole we happen to Rely upon where we're like, that's wicked. No is the answer to that. Or that's my answer is no. Right. There's a few of those issues left.

[Daniel Horowitz]

Right.

[Steve Dace]

The SAVE act is one. Training surgeries and mutilations of kids is another one. Again, there's not as many of these as there were 20 or 30 years ago, but there's still a few of these issues that if you were to ask, you know, right down the street from, from us here, where we're broadcasting from, is one of the union halls for one of the unions here in town. Okay. If we walked into that union and it would be a blue collar private industry union, we walked into that. If we walked into that hall and said, hey, give us your kids, give us your daughters so we can chest bind them, what would happen to us? Probably from the men in that union hall, probably. Todd, do you think?

[Todd Erzin]

I hope they'd bloody.

[Steve Dace]

They would probably beat the living snot out of us. Would probably be the case, yeah. Okay. If we went in there and said, hey, vote for George W. Bush, what might happen? Same exact thing might happen. Okay. Same thing, two totally different questions, same result. Okay. And so there's normie voters within both political parties too. I know that for people like you guys listening to shows like this and, and Lar and probably online a lot or aware of what's going on online, it feels like everyone on the right now is a griper and an anti Semite. Do we have a groper anti Semite problem?

[Todd Erzin]

Sure we do.

[Steve Dace]

Have I been addressing it?

[Todd Erzin]

Yes.

[Steve Dace]

Have I addressed, did I, did I stand up in front of, you know, seven, eight thousand people, you know, on a stage at TPUSA's America Fest and address it right to their faces?

[Todd Erzin]

Yes.

[Steve Dace]

But, you know, 15 years ago, did we have a problem with Aaron's Millennials who thought that they were going to completely transform the Republican party into a pro weed, pro sodomy party? Do we have that problem?

[Todd Erzin]

We have, yeah.

[Steve Dace]

Were they everywhere back in those days? Were that every Reddit forum, every message board, every comment section, you know, before we had social media, where do we have these discourses online? Discus comments sections@fox news.com or your favorite web or red state. Okay. In the comment sections at these places or the message boards or the Reddit forums. Right. And they were. And, and you had to. And if you didn't do this, if you wouldn't just give in, you don't care about the next generation and we're moving on without you. And Ron Paul was Right. About everything. We did all this, like, 10 or 15 years ago. Right, okay. And. And. And they dominated the CPAC straw polls and they won everywhere. Okay? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cool. Anyway, right now, the Republican Party is more anti gay marriage than it has been in, like, 10 years right now, this minute. All right? So there. There's always these, like, new things with the young people where they think that they're gonna. They're gonna somehow, you know, expand our moral horizons. And then what happens is you get married and you start having kids and you're like, oh, I think these things are kind of really bad ideas. Right. Okay. And hey, we had a serious thinker in Ron Paul. He drove a lot of this. He's a very serious thinker. Right?

[Todd Erzin]

Yes.

[Steve Dace]

All right. There's a very serious thinker right now in Tucker Carlson, driving a lot of these anti Semitic tropes on our side.

[Todd Erzin]

Right, Right.

[Steve Dace]

Okay. But then there were also, like, a whole bunch of, like, libertarian grifters, just like there's a whole bunch of, like, you know, anti Zionist grifters now. Okay? A lot of this is happening up here. A lot of it's happening up here. But if you went and asked the average normie Republican voter who Nick Fuentes is, they would not know if you asked him who Douglas McGregor was. Hey, when's the last time you listened to Douglas McGregor predict a wrong outcome on Tucker Carlson talking foreign policy? I have no idea. I couldn't tell you who that is. I don't know. It has not seeped into the water table yet. I mean, at the same time, we were strategizing how to push back on gripers at amfest this year. I mean, TPUSA took a poll of Amfest goers, and they were overwhelmingly pro Israel. Okay. It hasn't seeped into the normie water table on our side yet. Let me tell you, though, it has. Save America act has. That has. President's talking about that. It's everywhere. That has seeped in. That has. And much of the debate over Iran. For every person whose opinion I respect, like a Steve Cortez who we've had on the show how many times over the years?

[Todd Erzin]

Quite a few.

[Steve Dace]

I love Steve. Okay, whoever. For every Steve Cortez who has legitimate reasons why he's like, pull out of this war. Get out of it right now. We're killing ourselves politically with this. For every person like Steve Cortez who has legit reasons why he thinks this is a bad idea, would you guys conservatively say there's maybe 20, 30 people online for every Steve Cortez, that this is really just a front for some kind of anti Semitic grift or anti Jew trope that they want to further. Well, it's, it's at least 10 to 1.

[Todd Erzin]

It's not that high. It's.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah, at least 10 to 1. Its at least 10 to 1.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah. See what I'm saying? Okay. Well, most of the American people's attention is not even on the war right now. Not for good reasons, but it's just part of our short attention spans. Right. And we haven't had sadly enough casualties yet that people are thinking that this is going to hit home to them or there haven't been enough terrorist acts, and hopefully there's not. Okay. This thing, though, there's a lot of discussion about this everywhere on the. Right. And I'll just tell you, listen, I've done a handful of campaign events for my gubernatorial candidate, Adam Steen, here in Iowa. Now, all over the state. All over the state. And every place we've been, there's been a question about election integrity, this bill, and, and, and voter fraud. In fact, we have not gotten like, in terms of national issues, it's the only national issue that at every Adamstein campaign event I've done, we have gotten a question about it. Have not gotten an abortion question at everyone. Have not gotten a trans question at everyone. Okay. Because a lot of that's because we've just dealt with it so harshly in Iowa. It's pretty much just illegal everywhere in Iowa now. Right. And so everything else are local, parochial Iowa issues that we get asked about. The land rights issue that's happening, carbon capture, that kind of stuff. Okay. The only national issue that I'm getting asked about when I go do these campaign events for Adams, for Adam, when we turn to the Q and A portion, is voter fraud, election integrity. And when I say we're toast, the Iran war, provided it doesn't become a quagmire. And I'd be shocked if it did under the current leadership, I'd be shocked. But provided it doesn't become a quagmire, it's not nearly as divisive when in our base as the Save America act is this. Not doing this will euthanize our base. Now, let me define what that means. We're not going to see like 30 or 40% of registered Republicans stay home. That, that, that, that we're going to vote. Well, actually, we might see 30 to 40% of registered Republicans stay home because midterm elections are pretty low term, low turnout elections, but we're not going to see 30% on top of that. 30% stay home is what I mean. It won't matter. What if, say, 5% do? Oh, let me tell you what happens if, say, 5% do, because we're already way underwater with normies and independents right now. Way underwater. Way underwater with them. Democrat energy, max lit. We see that every time when you're the party out of power. Right. And it's a midterm. Okay. You could be looking at, we could, we could probably survive the Senate. The Senate map is so favorable. If the, if the, if the national midterm election, voter ID is, I'm sorry, party identification is a plus four Democrat. I think we could still survive the Senate. Okay. And avoid a Trump impeachment trial next year and still get, you know, Supreme Court justices through and stuff like that. Okay. We start getting about. You start getting plus 5 or higher, and then you start getting into danger, Will Robinson. And that's now where you're losing the governor's race in a red state like Iowa. That's now where maybe a Vivek Ramaswamy doesn't win in Ohio. I mean, you're, you eventually have to answer the question for people. If you can't do this one basic thing for me, then why are we still doing this? And that's what's at stake here and now. We're already going to pivot our messaging on immigration. The president won the popular vote in 2024 on mass deportations. It's to think that you have to change your strategy on messaging. But you know why? You start. It doesn't matter if the name's Trump Bush. All Republican consultants tell them things like this, well, your base will vote for you no matter what. And so you need to moderate your position. How many times has that worked over the years? Todd, you were. You and I have been here for half a century. How many times as your base will just vote for you no matter what? So sell them out and give the normies who already hate you, the messaging probably won't make a difference. How many times has that one worked? Can you think of.

[Todd Erzin]

It hasn't.

[Steve Dace]

It has not worked a single flipping time. And it won't work this time either. I can promise you that. I can promise you it won't work. But that's all going to be irrelevant if we can't do this one simple thing again. I'm not going to sit here and black pill the rest of the election cycle. I'M going to do what I can, you know, still going to root for my team. I'm going to hope we win. But this is, this is one of those moments that then you're, you're emotionally in the game, but then when the game is over and you start talking to your fellow fans, right? You get together, you're like, yeah, let's be honest, we kind of knew we were screwed when that happened in the first half kind of a thing. You know what I'm saying? We just kind of knew. This is one of those moments right here. Gentlemen, your thoughts?

[Aaron McIntyre]

There is, I mean, I think we've said things similar to this in politics, especially when it comes to the relationship with the party to its base. Perception is reality. There's a perception out there this week and it's echoed whether or not Mike Johnson is going out there on his own with his, you know what flapping in the wind. But there's a perception that, hey, we can't talk about mass deportations. Well, if that's true, then we better have a way to make sure that non citizens can't vote in our elections.

[Steve Dace]

What would that be like?

[Aaron McIntyre]

The Save America?

[Steve Dace]

Yeah.

[Aaron McIntyre]

And then there's John Thune saying, yeah, we don't have the votes to do that. You can't both those things can't be true at the same time and expect any form of non revolt from your base.

[Todd Erzin]

You remember when I used to talk about Ukraine as the reverse Wakanda because it's so obviously a money laundering operation? I'm starting to think that way about South Dakota. That state is more than 91% Republican across the board. Do you remember when all of a sudden, out of nowhere, Kristi Noem started getting flaky in the face of the Chamber of Commerce there on transgender issues?

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Todd Erzin]

Why isn't this entire Republican Party censuring Jon TH. I don't think there's any good answers to that. I'm starting, I'm going to start the arrest John Thune thing just like I did down in Arizona, because there are no good answers to why he's doing this.

[Steve Dace]

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[Ryan Bailey]

I'm good. Good. Pleasure to be here. Good to see you.

[Steve Dace]

Good to see you as always. And thank you for your willingness to do this. I really appreciate it. All right, so let's just start with a very big picture view of, of economically where we are right now. And, you know, when you and I scheduled this couple weeks ago, we didn't know there was going to be a war in the Mid East. Right. That was going to head into a second week. Okay. All right, so this answer may be more complicated than it would have been when we scheduled this a couple weeks ago, but where we are now and how do you see things unfolding the rest of the year? And maybe that's harder to answer now because of Operation Epic Fury, but go ahead.

[Ryan Bailey]

Yeah, no, it's, I'm going to do my best not to get called into the principal's office. That is compliance with my answers here. But so it's funny, actually, you're right. A lot has changed, you know, post the Iran war. But markets, as they want to do, were front running this to one degree or another. Right. Oil did not really start breaking out the moment we started bombing.

[Steve Dace]

Right.

[Ryan Bailey]

It started accelerating kind of mid to late January and well ahead of this. And markets have a tendency to do that. We can get into why that might be. But the first part of the, the first quarter here, January, February, the data shows it was kind of defined as like a Goldilocks environment. Right. You had inflation decelerating or disinflating and real growth, meaning inflation adjusted, strip out inflation, what's the economy actually doing was accelerating.

[Daniel Horowitz]

Right.

[Ryan Bailey]

And that's kind of how markets work. It's not so much the absolute numbers of anything. It's your rate of change. Right. So if you picture a sine curve, are you accelerating or decelerating? That goes for macro markets, that goes for companies. Are your revenues or your profits, what have you, are they accelerating, decelerating? So right now we are transitioning. Given the move in oil and how pervasive oil is in the economy, we are transitioning from that Goldilocks environment to what a lot of people are thinking that might be more of a stagflationary environment. To be clear, I'm not making any predictions, but this is kind of what you're seeing. Median Fed forecasts, they just increased.

[Steve Dace]

Define stagflation. This is what our colleague Daniel Horowitz here at the place he's been. Pardon me, Daniel Horowitz has been warning our audiences about this, his concern all year long. Okay. So far. So define that for our audience.

[Ryan Bailey]

Yeah, thank you. So stagflation is when you have real growth decelerating and inflation is accelerating. Right. So your, your purchasing power is going down as is the general growth of the economy and therefore your disposable income. Right. And given how pervasive oil is through the economy and it's not just oil, you're seeing this across a lot of different commodities. I don't count gold as a commodity, as different volatility profile. It really, if you look at it from a trading perspective, it's actually much more in line with a currency. It's not a philosophical claim. It's just looking at its volatility relative to other commodities which tend to have higher volatility. Other commodities are also showing similar dynamics like oil. You have steel, corn, a bunch of different things. You're seeing this now. And if you think about it just from a human perspective, right, you have to go spend more at the gas pump. While that's less money, you can go and got dinner or buy something on Amazon or what have you, just how money moves through the economy. So if these moves in oil continue and are durable, that should flow through to economic growth. And that's what you're seeing in at least what the Fed is forecasting. Hedge I Risk management is a very good independent investment risk management firm. They tend to be very accurate. They're also saying kind of similar things. So what might have only been a blip when you and I first started talking, this might be a little bit more durable. Obviously all of this can change at a moment's notice. So you know, you kind of, you have to take everything, whether we're talking about the economy or if you're looking at particular things in markets, you have to take new information and relay that into, you know, how you're viewing things. You don't want to be static in any one respect, right? If you have a great, you're running a football team, right? Your head coach, you have a great all star wide receiver, well, he blows his hamstring out. Well, you can't throw him out there again and say go long and hope for the best, right? You got to adjust. So kind of similar, similar dynamic there. But you know, this move in oil, given how prevalent it is to the economy, you know, it's not hard to see how it could pose, pose potential challenges.

[Steve Dace]

All right, let's, let's talk about then how, how cooked are we on this, depending on the length of, of this war. Right. If it ends today. All right, how much of this is a blip? If it ends next week, how much of this. Right. Because this has to filter through the system in the process and everything else. Right. And so how much, how much are we cooked long term because we launched this in the first place? And how quick could it recover to where things were prior to launching it?

[Ryan Bailey]

It's a great question. And to be perfectly candid, I'm going to say something you're never going to hear on CNBC or Bloomberg or any of the others.

[Steve Dace]

We don't know.

[Ryan Bailey]

I don't know.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Ryan Bailey]

Okay. And I think that's a big thing. I think people need to. And you have a lot of people prognosticating all the time. And I think one should always be humble when it comes to markets, to economic data. The market's obviously a lot smarter than us because it's a distillation of all knowledge out there. And yes, people trade on insider information for whatever reason, it's scarcely prosecuted, but that information is built into the market. Right. That is sending market signals. So, you know, I'm a big believer of, you know, trying to look and see what patterns are happening, what the market's doing and try to do that, you know, ride the winners, cut the losers in periods like now where you have volatility breaking out and you know, that's where you want to, you know, you want to be more careful because, you know, it's like you're out on a boat fishing, right? Wind's picking up, waves are picking up and you know, it's not time to, to.

[Steve Dace]

So we're not going to have. If this ends tomorrow, gas isn't 230A gallon on Friday, on Saturday, on Monday. People need to understand that. Right.

[Ryan Bailey]

Yeah, I'll say. If you look historically, moves of the magnitude we just saw in oil have historically resolved themselves around. It takes about two months. But you know, that doesn't mean that that's going to be the case this time. Sometimes it never goes back to where

[Steve Dace]

it was because we're also going into the peak summer period about two months from now too. Right. So that's true. That would be, that would. That you could have a confluence of both of those things, then increase in demand on top of this, this threat

[Ryan Bailey]

to disappoint travel also, you know, you have also, by the way, interestingly, diesel fuel has actually outpaced in this big run up. Diesel fuel is outpaced, you know, gasoline in terms of price appreciation. That's important.

[Steve Dace]

Explain. Yeah, that's the cost of goods, right. That's how they get transported and those costs get transported or transferred onto the customer.

[Ryan Bailey]

Right, that's exactly right. And so, so, and you know, obviously it tends to happen on a lag, right. Doesn't happen overnight. But you know, so, so there are some structural chall. Again, you know, if the President is correct and this, you know, war is largely over or will be shortly, then one would think these things can be short lived. But you know, we've seen a lot of, you know, I'm old enough to remember, you know, mission accomplished with George Bush and you know, you never know.

[Steve Dace]

Two weeks to flatten the curve. Two weeks to flatten the curve.

[Ryan Bailey]

Yeah, exactly. So, you know, look, I, I, who knows, I don't know, I don't have any edge on the duration of this or whether this will be, you know, more Venezuela type situation or, or an Iraq situation.

[Steve Dace]

But, but because it's oil and it's so all encompassing, it essentially takes almost everything else, AI and everything else that you and I had slated to talk about. They're all now on the back burner because we're talking about the most important and precious substance on planet earth, petroleum. Right, okay, that's right.

[Ryan Bailey]

Yeah, that's right. And you know, obviously you've spoken quite a bit about, you know, what we did in Venezuela. They have massive oil and gold reserves so you know, should be able to hopefully, let's see, offset some of this. But, but you never know. It doesn't seem like we are extracting a lot of oil. I don't know if that's the plan from, from Venezuela. But you know, put it this way, we have access to more resources, you know, now than we did in December.

[Daniel Horowitz]

We'll put it that way.

[Steve Dace]

All right, last thing I want to talk about. We got about five minutes. Let's talk about one of the other. This is, this is a constant though too. That was an issue that is still on the front burner, aside from the petroleum issue and that's the housing situation. All right, sure. All right. And so are you seeing progress on this front in terms of affordability of housing, particularly first time home buyers, young families? You know, I've got three kids that I've launched, I'm launching out of my home. Right. And one's already married. Right. Are we seeing any progress on that front at all?

[Ryan Bailey]

We are, I think now you have to remember, right, it's, it's hard because like anything, inflation for the consumer is cumulative. Right. So, and this I think is part of the disconnect between what the average voter is experiencing, you know, when they go to the grocery store or looking for a house or what have you versus what the President is articulating in saying inflation is nonexistent and all that. The rate of inflation, meaning the increase is come down tremendously. It's still though the problem is it's still increasing and you're increasing off those other effects. Yes.

[Steve Dace]

So we've slowed the rate of increase, but the baked in stuff has not been dealt with yet. The baseline numbers have not come down. Gotcha.

[Ryan Bailey]

That's right. That's right. And so if you look at Federal Housing and Finance Agency, FHFA, their data, home price appreciation, right, has gone from up 7% March 2024 to now. It's only up 1.8% in December 2025. The latest data that at least I could find. I think that's the latest data we have. So obviously that's a massive deceleration or we'll say disinflation. Right. But it's still, it's still appreciating. Now it's somewhat regional. You're seeing actual price declines in areas that were big Covid beneficiaries like the Sun Belt, you know, Florida, for example. And you know, then you're seeing big upticks in areas like I think Milwaukee, Wisconsin, interestingly enough, was at the other end of that spectrum where the housing market really kind of ripping there in terms of price appreciation. But you're seeing this kind of across, you're seeing that same dynamic where the rate of increase has declined a lot across the housing will say complex nationally for both from housing prices to rents. Right. Rents have come down. A year ago they were up, you know, February 2025 they were up a little over 4%. Now it's down to up 2.68% which came out this morning in the CPI data. So again, that trend line's coming down, but you're still building upon the baked in numbers from, you know, 2021, 2022 and so on.

[Steve Dace]

All right, last thing. I've got about a minute here because I want to give Todd and Aaron a chance to respond to this. Okay, how much Runway do we have to have a, to have an economic environment that is, that is electorally sellable, say six months from now when people start really focusing on the midterm elections. How much, how much Runway do you think we have?

[Ryan Bailey]

If inflation, if inflation takes hold, I think it's going to be hard. Now we have the benefit for the first time certainly in my life and I'm, you know, soon to be 39 of having a real practice, a world class practitioner, an investor running the treasury and Scott Bessant. We're going to have Kevin Warsh coming in who's also an outstanding investor in his own right and has a great relationship with Bessant. And they see the world very similarly and they've worked together in the past. So you have alignment there with really credible, really, really smart guys, which is new for us at least certainly in my lifetime. So you'll have great guys at the switch doing things. The problem is when we were talking a couple of weeks ago, Steve, I thought was going to be able to cut rates more if inflation stays around. You can't because it'll exacerbate. So I don't know. But I think it's going to be a lot harder and a lot, it's going to be a lot trickier for them to do anything on the policy side to juice things really you need to get inflation down tremendously to jumpstart, you know, re jump start the economy which we were seeing pre the Iran war with industrials kicking back in and with that kind of re industrialization of America, trade happening and people on shoring other countries investing and all that. But you know, hurting people's disposable income with inflation is going to hurt, right?

[Steve Dace]

Well, when you drive up the cost of what transports the substance that transports every good in service, you're going to drive up inflation, obviously. All right, thank you, Ryan. Good to see you, man. Really appreciate it. Thank you, brother.

[Ryan Bailey]

Good to see you. Thank you.

[Steve Dace]

You bet. All right, what do you guys think?

[Todd Erzin]

We better pass the SAVE Act. I mean, I don't.

[Steve Dace]

That's kind of what I thought. Listen to that. All right. It was tough and invading, you know, attacking Iran just for just being honest made it economically tougher. If we're just being honest. Did you get that same vibe, Aaron?

[Daniel Horowitz]

Yep.

[Aaron McIntyre]

And that's something. The rate of inflation, what he just pointed out there is something that does not get discussed enough. And we're not. Yes, the rate has slowed, but we're still not at the supposed target at 2% last I checked anyway.

[Steve Dace]

And now it's way more expensive to transport every good that you buy than it was a week ago. Okay, that. So there's gonna be a, there's gonna be a cost to that applied to literally everything. More in a moment. All right, back here with our two live and on demand on Blaze TV, radio and podcast alongside Aaron McIntyre and tutters and I'm Steve Dase. Let us know what you think about what we think via the steveday.com inbox by emailing the show [e-mail] that's D E A C E. You can like us on Facebook. Me, we and gab. Follow me at steveday show on X Instagram and Tick tock. Subscribe to our new YouTube channel if they'll let you @day show on YouTube. That's @day show on YouTube. And then finally, if you are a podcast listener, thank you so much. You're the biggest part of our audience. Make sure that you never miss an episode. And that happens if you hit subscribe or if you're an Apple. Itunes follow. And every time we do a new one of these, it's right there in your feed. Every single time. You can also leave us a five star review. Tens of thousands of you have. So thank you guys very much for each and every one of those. We're brought to you by our friends over at Jace Medical. Listen, we're at war. We've got a lot of uncertainty. We were just talking about that with my buddy Ryan Bailey just a second ago. We're in this key situation right now. We're trying to leverage and diminish the capacity of our biggest rival on the planet in China, who also just happens to control about 70 plus percent of the world's antibiotic supply. So that's cool. Anyway, with this level of uncertainty, make sure you're prepared. Right? Like right now, do we? Do we? Do we know right now who controls the Straits of Hormuz, one of the leading pathways to petroleum flow on the planet.

[Aaron McIntyre]

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[Aaron McIntyre]

Oh, Tap it really hard.

[Steve Dace]

Is it dead?

[Todd Erzin]

Totally dead.

[Steve Dace]

There it is.

[Todd Erzin]

There we go. I thought about this too much. We stick. No, no, no holds.

[Steve Dace]

We're done here.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

All right, Aaron, fire away.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Let's begin with Thomas Carpenter, who says James Talarico will be endorsed by Joel Osteen at his quote unquote church.

[Steve Dace]

I could totally see this. I mean, Osteen once supported the first lesbian mayor of Houston at the same time that she was trying to get access to the. The church records of some of the churches in the community at the same time back in the day. I could. I could totally see this. So I'll buy.

[Todd Erzin]

Sure.

[Steve Dace]

I could see it. Yeah.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Next up, we go to Pro life. Means, no exceptions. Who says with John Thune holding up the save act, third party candidates will become viable in national elections again.

[Steve Dace]

So I'm just going to tell you guys, there are just certain realities, okay? Right. If you want to fly, you have to invent the airplane. Okay? If you have a rear wheel drive vehicle and you want all four tires engaged, you have to invent four wheel drive. Right. Things don't just happen organically, all right? And, and the ballot access and issue and everything else, it's not insurmountable, but it's insurmountable when it comes to organic efforts. If you want a third party, it's going to take billions of dollars, billions to be billions. So in that case, you're going to need, you know, somebody with a lot of money like say Elon Musk, who's been who you need him to be like personally betrayed, very disappointed. And he says, you know What? I spent 44 billion. Buy an X for 1 billion. I could probably just take over the Republican party or start another party. You would need him to do that. And frankly, I'm just going to tell you right now, if Elon Musk called me up and said, Steve, what would you do? I'm going to, I'm going to earmark a billion dollars to the current unibrow duopoly system. What would you advise me to do? I'd tell him, I wouldn't terraform in your system. I just take over the Republican Party. You could do that for a billion dollars. Take out a handful of senators, handful of members of Congress. You don't have to take all the rhinos out because most of your Rhinos, you know, a good friend of mine used a term to me and he's older than me, so he's been around the block a few more times and he used, he used a term to me, he called them get along Republicans. And he said, hey, you know, sometimes you younger guys, I like being one of the younger guys because I'm not one of those anymore. All right? You, not everybody you younger guys calls a rhino is a rhino. Sometimes they're just go along guys and whatever they think is in charge, like John Cornyn today. Did you see this now?

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

Now John Cornyn is out there saying nuke the filibuster in an op ed, huh? It's amazing what primaries can do. Isn't it? Amazing when we have actual primaries? Ok? And so this friend of mine's like, there's a lot of these guys who are not total rhinos. They're just go along guys,

[Aaron McIntyre]

you know,

[Steve Dace]

and so if you can put enough, adequate pressure on them, if they feel like to get what they want, they've got to conform to a different standard that you can. Now, I don't disagree with that, but you have to make enough examples to show them that you mean business. Right? So I think for $1 billion, just three or four, five maybe top Republican rhino senators, take them out in a primary with good candidates that will win a general.

[Todd Erzin]

Okay.

[Steve Dace]

Do that to about 10 or 15, 20 member Rhino members of Congress. You'll have Fonzie. You'll have set your Fonzie example, right? And then you go to the rest of that group and say, now, how many of you were really Rhinos or are willing to go along? Because we're going along in a different direction now. So let's find out. Right. But I would tell Musk to do that rather than to try to regain ballot access and everything else from, from, you know, from nothing to terraform, all that. That's a very. Not to mention, I don't think we have the time for that as a people either.

[Todd Erzin]

Well, speaking of the people, I agree with everything Steve said, but underlying all that is the people are the problem. If you agree with us when we say that you can't believe what you just said, you need to believe it the way you believe it. You have to have grassroots ability on the right that just is not sustainable and doesn't exist. It just doesn't.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Next we go to Sturdy Oak, who says Ted Cruz replaces John Roberts on the Supreme Court and Paxton takes his place in the Senate after dropping out against Cornyn once the Save America act passes.

[Steve Dace]

I would sign up for this right now. So I'll buy. I'd sign up for this right now. I would sign up for this right now.

[Todd Erzin]

I saw somebody online recently suggesting that Ted Cruz has been in the news a lot lately, and they, the dots, they were connecting. I think it's your idea that one of the. Either Alito or Clarence Thomas is about to step down.

[Steve Dace]

That was one of my predictions at the beginning of the year. I know Ted desperately wants to be President, United States. I, I mean, I've been wrong before, but right now I don't see a path that, that's realistically possible for the foreseeable future. I think he'd be a tremendous Supreme Court Justice. I think he'd be a tremendous Supreme Court Justice. And for those of you that don't like his, his dispensational views on Israel, the good news is, as a Supreme Court justice, you get all the parts of Ted Cruz you like, and then none of this Stuff that you don't, because he's going to have way less to say about foreign policy and things of that nature. So you get all the Ted Cruz that you like on all the domestic stuff that you agree on. Trump has even hinted to this. You know, I think it's kind of tongue in cheek. I think he is in a, I think Trump, and Trump in a very clever way is saying, man, he's, on one hand, he's using it to say, Ted, I could get Ted to the Supreme Court. But he's also kind of saying, mainly because his colleagues can't stand the guy. I would love to get rid of him. All right. But I, I mean, I would sign up for that success, that secession of events right now. You bet.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Joel says the only person who can save the SAVE act is Jim Cramer declaring it will never get passed by the Senate.

[Steve Dace]

I'm here for all the Jim Cramer memes. I love them all. I'll buy.

[Todd Erzin]

I haven't heard him in a while. Yeah, Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

I only hear him in memes.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

When people, when he predicts things that people on our side want to have happen, then they know it's never going to happen. Yeah.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Corey senich says the GOP primary will be DeSantis versus Rubio. Vance won't run and look for a low key role in the next administration to spend more time with his young and growing family.

[Steve Dace]

There's a 0.0 chance that JD Vance is not going to run for President. So. So 0.0 chance.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Next we go to Jim, who says if SCOTUS strikes down the racial redistricting components of the Voting Rights act, blue states will refuse to redraw their electoral maps, while some GOP governors will volunteer to redraw theirs to hand Democrats more districts.

[Steve Dace]

That may happen.

[Aaron McIntyre]

GOP gains will be minimal.

[Steve Dace]

That may happen. But you don't not do a good thing because the people that come after you may not do the good thing with it.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I don't think that's not at all what Jim is saying. I don't think, I think that's just hypersenicism about the state of Republican Party.

[Steve Dace]

All right. Fair. I don't, I don't deny that to some degree, but I also think then people need to see that out in the open. I think that there is a, there is something useful. Listen, there's going to be several state legislators in Indiana. They're going to lose their jobs here this spring because people saw some things out in the open when they would not redraw their districts. I'm for. Then let people see so that they're without excuse. Then if they don't act, if they

[Todd Erzin]

don't redraw the districts, it's the exact same thing as not repealing the SAVE Act. The ultimate outcome is stealing elections.

[Steve Dace]

Agreed.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Next we go to dyslexics. You untie.

[Steve Dace]

Very funny.

[Aaron McIntyre]

James Tallarico will speak at CPAC before

[Steve Dace]

Steve Dase 100% by. There's zero doubt about that. Yeah.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Surprising he hasn't already.

[Todd Erzin]

He'll be giving the invocation. Probably.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Ol Gordonsky says an Iranian closure of the Strait of Hormuz will be an overall benefit to the American economy as the third largest exporter of oil and have a significant deleterious effect on China and Europe.

[Steve Dace]

Well, if we're gonna be as ruthless as I thought we were gonna be, then your answer is yes. I just have not seen the evidence of that yet.

[Todd Erzin]

This was. Yeah, this was my point a couple days ago. And I think, Aaron, you agreed with me on some level. Actually seeing them bomb the oil, it's the same kind of thing. Like we are going to push this entire scam all the way to the edge. And we believe you. It's Scott Glenn. The hardest part about playing chicken is knowing when to flinch. We've decided we're not going to flinch, but we're certain you are listening.

[Steve Dace]

If we're going to be an empire, which I am in favor of, then I agree. Then this analysis is correct. If we're not. If we're going to be. If we're just going to be a little less naive under Trump than we were under Bush. Well, we got rid of Maduro, but we're not going to claim all their oil. Then this may not be true. You have to be willing to be cunning and ruthless to make the kinds of options that you're describing come true. I'd love to think that we're those things. You know, I kind of think if we can't get that out of the current guy in the White House, I'm not even sure where that would possibly come from then at this point, you know, so I'm going to buy because I want it to be true. But we have to demonstrate a level of guile that we have yet to be willing to go to, no matter who's in charge around here.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Nate Sell says the nefarious powers in this country have historically used racism to be the common lever to divide us. Now, antisemitism is that mechanism. It's not. I don't think he's saying it's different from racism, but that's just the latest.

[Steve Dace]

Oh, I think. Okay. I will buy on this.

[Todd Erzin]

For sure it's one of them.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah. For sure.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

The timing of this following Charlie's murder. None of that, I believe, is. None of this, I think, is coincidental. None of it at all. None of it at all. The unprecedented unity we had on our side after Charlie's murder. Sense of mission and purpose. I don't think any of this is a coincidence. That's how you know the timing of it. That's how you know it's of the enemy.

[Todd Erzin]

Agreed.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Micah says a cardboard supreme leader would be more lively in office than Joe Biden was as president.

[Steve Dace]

Oh, that's.

[Aaron McIntyre]

That's a. I love this AI stuff.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah. I mean, total slop, but yeah, yeah, I'm in. I'll buy on that.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah, I get it for the laughs, but I am selling. He. He had enough life in him to do a ton of damage to us, and we're still trying to recover.

[Aaron McIntyre]

We go to Tyler, who says churches should invest more in local missions in their own community than third world missions trips.

[Todd Erzin]

Well, by. In that, it should definitely be going in that direction. I don't think it has to be either or, but it certainly should be both.

[Aaron McIntyre]

And yeah, I think the ultimate Jesus juke here is especially because we live in this place called the United States of America. And I don't think it's a Jesus juke, to be honest, but you could use it as such. But I think the real answer is here we have more than enough resources in this country to do both and do a really good job at both.

[Steve Dace]

I'm going to buy, and I'm going to say I'm going to buy because of how godless our own culture has become. Like, I don't think this would have been true 50 years ago and not 100 years ago and not 150 years ago. Okay. I think it's true now because of how godless we have become, that I do think you have to recalibrate some of your line of thinking and some of your resources. A few years ago, a guy I used to go to church with, and he used to be a big wig for the international missions wing of a major denom evangelical denomination. And he told me a story about a recent trip he had taken. He was just coming home from overseeing one of their mission efforts overseas, and he had a layover in LaGuardia and he saw a group of three black. But you could tell from the. The. You could tell from their mannerisms and the, the, the dialect of English they spoke that they were like native Africans, okay? Not African Americans, like native Africans, okay? So they were foreigners, right? And so he went over to see if they needed any help. They looked like they were lost, you know, and he got to talking to them, and he found out that they were seminary students. What a great coincidence, he's thinking, right? You know, and so he gets to talking to him, and of course, in his American bias, he's assuming that these seminary students, all right, are here, coming here to go to seminary, so they go back home to Africa and take the gospel with them back home, right? And he goes, hey, that's great that you guys want to do that. You know, I, I, I have some friends. Let me know. Maybe we can. You go, I do international missions for a major denomination maybe, you know, we've got some alignment here, right? And he said, the two younger brothers look to the older one, right? Because he's the older. He speaks for the group. And they looked at him like, hey, man, are you going to say something? You know, and the older brother was like, well, kind of shrugged his shoulders, like, well, you know, it kind of is, you know, with it in his accent, he's like, with all due respect, a few months ago, our pastor was showing us videos. Our pastor back home in Nigeria was showing us videos, and our Nigerian in our underground seminary, underground church was showing us videos of what's happening here in America. And he challenged us and he said, hey, who will go to, who will go to America and take the gospel to this dark continent? So we're actually coming here to preach to you. Right? You know, and it just, it's kind of one of those knock you over the feather kind of a moments, you know? So, yeah, that's a yo. That's a yo. Yep.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Next we go to JKH 1108, who says at this point, Lindsey Graham is just trolling, continuing to shoot his shot, invading every country.

[Steve Dace]

I, I do think there's some of that in terms of the level of embellishment, but fundamentally, I think that you are seeing this guy's taking victory laps. I mean, this is what he really thinks. This is what he's always been about. Right. And yet one of the reddest states in this country has sent his tired act back to the Senate. How many years now? Been over 30 years. So back to the whole thing about another party. I mean, I don't know about the rest and haven't said this one a while. Let me drop it again. I mean, I mean, listen, I get wanting to want a third party, but I'd love to see what a second one looks like. Anybody want to know what a second party looks like? What's a second one look like? You know, I mean, what do you do when this is who the state of South Carolina has sent to the Senate, Aaron's entire lifetime, practically. What do you do with that?

[Todd Erzin]

Thune in South Dakota, Mitch McConnell in Kentucky. Yep. These are not blue states.

[Steve Dace]

Cornyn in Texas. Another one.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

Katie Britt in Alabama. She's at least right on the SAVE act, but she's been wrong on a ton of other stuff. Would she. Would Katie Britt be a fine senator? A Republican senator from Maryland?

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

Or Michigan. Sure. Alabama. Alabama. We should be looking at Republican senators from Alabama. Like, y' all know you lost the war, right?

[Todd Erzin]

Which also had. That's what we ought to be doing, isn't there, Governor? Grandma Vax?

[Steve Dace]

Yes, Grandma Vax. Yeah. She was running billboards at basketball games in well into 2021 and 2022 to get your covet backs roll. Tad, we should be looking at red state senators. Like, just to make it clear here. You guys all know you lost this one, right? You lost that war. You guys all know that, right? Like, the senators we're getting from Mississippi ought to put our teeth on edge. Like, we ought to be like, we want to put that person on, don't you think? Because isn't that what the blue senators from, like, California are like?

[Todd Erzin]

Yes.

[Steve Dace]

They're like, are you just a flat out Marxist, Really? So here we are.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Anything else, Todd? No, we'll continue on with. Leon says I got nothing. My Pandora no longer lets me play podcasts. I haven't got to listen to anyone. I don't attempt any buy, sell or holds. If I got nothing. Buy, sell or hold.

[Todd Erzin]

You okay?

[Steve Dace]

Leon 4 went out for Leon 5000G. I love the fact that Aaron selected this.

[Aaron McIntyre]

We'll continue on with Leon. It's like if I try, my brain shuts off. It's only when I'm just flowing that I can come up with something worthy of reading. Oh, well, I don't do it to get heard. I'm really asking a question disguised as a boy. Sell or hold. We weren't too far off the mark with the Supreme Court. They split the baby in half to save face and still let him do what he wants.

[Steve Dace]

Eye, sell or hold. Puff, puff, pass, man. Puff, puff, pass. I got nothing with that. I don't know what else to say. Do you Got something I don't I mean we'll continue with when you trigger

[Aaron McIntyre]

the fully they just manipulated it seems like a no they or we us were right or you doesn't matter to me it was all about saving face. I can't stand political correctness. Bye sellerhold

[Todd Erzin]

Leon. I just envisioned Leon back when I was at the University of Wisconsin and man you could still smoke cigarettes at the Rat Skeller Student Union and just some dude doing some spoken word poetry coming up there after the gals were just got done singing you know Closer I am to fine on their acoustic guitars. Yeah Leon, I. I see you all

[Steve Dace]

of a sudden somebody goes for non blonde. Hey yeah yeah yeah.

[Aaron McIntyre]

All right, we'll move on more from Leon.

[Steve Dace]

And yet.

[Aaron McIntyre]

And yet on the above I was trying to be politically correct self awareness it's not always fun.

[Ryan Bailey]

Why don't we have any idea what

[Aaron McIntyre]

he was talking about entire time.

[Steve Dace]

Your segues, your just nonchalant segues were just masterful. Absolutely.

[Todd Erzin]

And I never expected it. Not a single time. I just say we're finally done now.

[Steve Dace]

Oh my gosh.

[Aaron McIntyre]

I think that's the first person to have five selections in the same Biceller hole.

[Steve Dace]

Leon does know everything. Leon knows. Leon knows. All right.

[Aaron McIntyre]

We're truly moving on this time. Matt says Carlson Massey ticket would be the most successful third party run in American history.

[Steve Dace]

Who Tucker Massey and Massey will define. Well, successful. Most successful in history. No, it wouldn't get 19% nationwide like Ross Perot got in 1992. Wouldn't. It wouldn't do what Teddy Roosevelt did as a third party candidate for the Bull Moose. What year was that? I think it might not 1920 something.

[Todd Erzin]

It might it I think remember I predicted him running for president a couple weeks ago Tucker and not the most successful but I think it might be the most destructive. Well, let's talk because that would be its point.

[Steve Dace]

Well, let's talk about that. Where are they going to be more inclined to get most of their numbers, do you think? I mean where do you think they'd get most of their numbers?

[Todd Erzin]

Well, you're looking at. That's my point. Do they care if it's meant to be destructive?

[Steve Dace]

1912, that was the year of the

[Todd Erzin]

bullmost party earlier on the show talking about if we just lose 5%, you know the margins. I mean just going in there and look at the fracturing.

[Steve Dace]

Well it depends on where the 5% is.

[Todd Erzin]

The fracturing, the disheartening nature of the online discussion and now it's just everywhere all day long can't be avoided on the right or on the left? Just the right.

[Steve Dace]

If it's like. If it's 1% in Ohio but 8% in South Carolina. Doesn't really change anything. See what I'm trying to say?

[Todd Erzin]

I do.

[Steve Dace]

It depends on where it is at, of course. Okay.

[Todd Erzin]

We have no room for error.

[Steve Dace]

I don't disagree with that at a meta level. But, but where would that come from? Where would. I mean, do you get the sense there's a large pocket of. Well, first of all, I don't know how you could form. You need for this to work. Fuentes would have to sign on. I mean, he's, he's basically a socialist. So you're, you're. I mean, Massey's going to be complete anathema to him. Right? I mean, Matt, the reason the president. You're trying to think logically through the chaos. Well, the only thing, the only uniting principle. You're assuming then that this would just be essentially an anti, an anti Semitic ticket, basically because ideologically there's the only. About the only thing they would agree on would be Israel. And I would, I want to make it very clear in no way, shape or form is Thomas Massie come even close to perpetuating any of the kinds of stuff you're hearing from Fuentes into a lesser degree Tucker these days. I want to make that very, very clear. Okay. But the only commonality of that ticket essentially is that that's, that has a national message is the anti Israel, anti Zionist stuff. That's the, that's the common theme.

[Todd Erzin]

I mean, these are both smart, accomplished guys. They, they'd have a game plan. Be beyond that. What it would be, I'm not sure.

[Steve Dace]

I. Let's, let's do an over. Under. If that was a ticket in 20, 28, 5% nationally. Over, under. I'm going under. I'm going under 5% nationally.

[Todd Erzin]

Oh, I'll still go. I think I would go under.

[Steve Dace]

Because the other issue you have is young men would be the number one group that they would appeal to. Who's the hardest group to get out and vote? Young men. Young man's the hardest group to get out of vote. That's the other problem you have.

[Todd Erzin]

Here's the thing. If you finally give them the bone that they want, if they're speaking to all the issues, the young men issues you talk about all the way, and they think they're being ignored, otherwise this is, it's awful math.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Okay, we go to Oscar Joseph, who says the splintering seen among Christians is due to widespread spiritual immaturity that makes us feel threatened by different ideas instead of trusting God with the tension.

[Steve Dace]

I completely agree with this.

[Todd Erzin]

Certainly agree with the first part. Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

And there's a think piece going around. I don't want to allude to it specifically, but there's a. Maybe some of you have seen, I don't know, but there's a think piece going around written by an anonymous writer who has a good following. And I agree with a lot of what this person posts, but they tried to write this think piece about where all this anti Semitism and everything else is coming from on the right. And I agreed with a lot of it. But, but I also read it as well. Anybody who essentially doesn't have the view of Israel and eschatology that has been predominant within American and Western Christianity essentially since World War II is the problem. That's, that's, that's way. Going way too far. Going way too far. And I think one of the failures of a generational lack of discipleship is Christians by and large don't know how to resolve these kinds of tensions. Or here's the thing too. You don't resolve them. You have to live with them. I mean, look at our relationship here. And you've alluded to this. The faith you see alive in my life is some, is, is, is. Has some level of check and balance off of what your church has taught you is an understanding of where such faith comes from. Yes. At the same time, that works the other way. Okay. The faith. I see the faith. I see evidence. Evidence evidenced in your life. Does the same thing with, from my tradition as well. How do I reconcile that? I don't have to. I'm not God. My life is not my own. I was bought at a high price and neither is yours. All right? I'm not that. That's not my job to reconcile those things. That's his. And the reality is, as a Christian, you have to learn to live with some form of tension. You have to learn to live with some form of paradox. You are in a. You're in a world that you're not of. So right away there's tension in a paradox. Right away. Right away. And I just think a lot of Christians are not equipped to do this. And everybody's got to fit into a cookie cutter of what my traditions say is automatically true. And that's that human nature is not an algorithm or a formula. Back in a moment. The Steve Day Show. All right, Back here on the Steve Day show, don't forget the latest issue of Frontier Magazines coming your way here with a Blaze unlimited subscription. And it'll also get you access to all the previous issues. Maybe you missed as well. $40 off with the code [e-mail] days. That's blazeunlimited.com dace with the code frontier40. You get our elite tier of subscription here. That's Blazeunlimited.com dace code frontier40 for $40 off. Let's welcome in the prophet of woe and lamentation himself, the one and only Daniel Horowitz. It is good to see you, brother. How are you?

[Daniel Horowitz]

Hey, great to be back with you, Steve. It's been a while.

[Steve Dace]

It has been. Everything okay at home? I know you had to take a little time off last week, so everything's good. Just one. Everybody's asking me, checking in on you. You're good to go. Everybody's good.

[Daniel Horowitz]

They haven't eliminated me yet.

[Steve Dace]

You're not dead yet. Indeed, yes. All right. You and I, you wanted to alert me to a certain mayor election last night in Boca Raton, Florida. Why? What is what stands out to you about the who's the mayor and who of Boca Raton, Florida?

[Daniel Horowitz]

So I found it interesting that Republicans are losing, you know, kind of negative 15 minus 20, 25 even, based on the 2024 baseline results across the gambit of state legislative elections, even congressional special elections. And we saw that again last night. Republicans underperformed by 13 to lose a legislative seat in New Hampshire. They Performed Underperformed by 17 in Marjorie Taylor Greene's district, if you take the total Republican tally in the Jungle primary. And in Mississippi also, I mean, their turnout was down 3% relative to 2018, with the Democrat turnout up 64%. I think Democrats came in only 10,000 votes behind Republicans. And overall turnout in Mississippi, So this is pretty bad. But in Boca Raton. So Trump won the city, I guess, by 13 points. And if you look at the GOP total there, it was plus 20 over the Democrat total. And the reason that sticks out to me is because the largest factor of why Republicans are getting crushed is because they have just bled the suburban vote. That is the problem. Now. It's exacerbated by the fact that they're not even making it up anymore with that temporary extra low propensity turnout, some of the nonwhite voters and young voters. But the foundation, and this foundation has been sown since 2018 is the loss of the suburbs. Well, this was one area where they overperformed. It's a bunch of religious Jews who, who moved down to, to Boca. And, you know, it's one of the few suburban white collar voting classes that's actually turning more Republican. So it just, I, I thought that was an interesting observation. It's also interesting given certain elements within the right that believe that Jews, particularly the Zionists, are the greatest threat to the right into America. Just, just thought I'd point that out.

[Steve Dace]

So why are we hemorrhaging suburban voters?

[Daniel Horowitz]

So we're hemorrhaging suburban voters because I think we're suffering all of the liabilities and none of the benefits of incumbency. We're not really addressing things that are bothering them. The economic problems, the cost of living, particularly health care. Like, people don't realize we're. It's funny, you know, I was dealing with a medical issue, My wife cut her finger. And, you know, we have what is called, what would be called a Cadillac plan pre Obamacare. So you're talking about 35, $38,000 coming out of your salary between the employer and what you're putting in, and the employer is part of your thing, and yet it covers nothing. I mean, it's unbelievable. Whereas Medicaid, most people don't have to pay a dime for anything. And I think this is really where you could appeal to a lot of people. There's no economic message when it comes to other issues. We sort of lead with the low brow, low IQ talking points, but that then don't even accomplish the policy. We're not doing anything to, to, to appeal to them on anything.

[Steve Dace]

Let me see, let me see if I can explain this in a way that.

[Daniel Horowitz]

Yep.

[Steve Dace]

That maybe I can understand what you're trying to say. A lot of folks, regardless of their political persuasion, move into a place like the suburbs in order to avoid a certain level, Even if they want to use this term, a certain level of retardation, for sure. Either the neighborhoods they grew up in, you know, dysfunction within their own families. Right. Okay. And you're looking for the kinds of place where you can raise your kids so they're not going to be exposed to maybe some of the things you were exposed to when you were growing up. Right. Okay. All right. And when I, when I hear you talk about this, what I hear you saying is that we're taking on Cousin Eddie's Persona with our suburban neighbors, but there. But with none of the laughs. Like, he's not making us laugh. It's just the retardation. It's, it's none of the funny stuff. He's just out there, you know, emptying the crapper from his rv, you know, into the septic in the neighborhood. All right, and lighting it on fire. But, but it's not funny at all. Because it's your neighborhood that just got blown up. Is that what I kind of hear you saying? It's just all the retardation of all the low brow, you know, trolling, you know, stuff online, but it doesn't actually then follow through with the policies that those memes and stuff are about. And so we'd get the benefit of that. But since we don't do that now, it's just the retarded messaging.

[Daniel Horowitz]

Exactly. And we're also avoiding issues that we could really gain them on. Continuity of neighborhood. I mean, you know, the data center issue is huge. Oh my gosh, you could, you could win on that. But instead Republicans are doing things like, I'm the only one in the country even talking about this or opposing it. But they have this bipartisan housing bill that among many other things, that expands all the HUD programs that Trump promised to cut. It will lead to more section 8 and that sort of thing in your neighborhood. I mean, that's what it's designed. The affordable housing agenda from HUD that we all penned under Obama. It's Elizabeth Warren's presidential campaign platform, by the way. It's her bill. And now it's Trump's bill, it's Thune's bill, it's Mike Johnson's bill. I think some House conservatives have a couple of minor concerns that have nothing to do with what I'm talking about with it. I mean, we just leave issues on the table. And I think too much of MAGA got into this. And I know you talked about this, this tantalizing notion of chasing nonwhite votes, even as they complain that we're is a war on whites and everything and just ceding the suburban vote. And I think you and I both know not everyone in the suburb is like an antifa mom with her 19 year old going to an anti ice, you know, riot or something. You, you have maybe some of those

[Steve Dace]

people now because of the amount of retardation that's happening on our side. More and more of those suburban women are exactly becoming that. But I digress. Go ahead.

[Daniel Horowitz]

Yes, no, exactly. And, and the, but the point is you can't bleed it. And I would argue I sent you a poll from Emerson that had Democrats for the first time in our lifetime I ever remember, leading the generic ballot among men. So it's not just women. I Mean, they're losing really across the board all the liabilities of control and none of the benefits. And I think that's what you're seeing now. The bottom line is there was a time in America where you could probably win with and you were able to win and FDR one with non college educated whites. But if Democrats have yay high base of support with, you know, non whites, immigrants, all that stuff, and then you lose all of the suburban whites, you're done. And you're particularly done when it comes to legislative and congressional districts. So if you notice, this is the opposite of what the GOP was circa 2010 to 2014, where they were running up 250 seats in the House. They were having not just the majorities, but super majorities in Pennsylvania, Michigan legislatures. There was a time that the convention of the states thought they'd be able to get 38 Republican legislatures, but then they were still losing statewide to, to Obama in these elections. Now it flipped at least for 2024. Trump was able to win statewide with this coalition he cobbled together. But now that that's sort of over and the bloom is off the rose and Trump's not running again, you get the liabilities, you don't get the benefits. Now they're stuck with the deficit in the suburbs without anything to make it up.

[Steve Dace]

Let's get into the Save America Act. All right? And obviously the audience is aware. I'm already talking to somebody who was already very pessimistic about our prospects later this year. Okay, but there's, is that fair? Okay, but there, there's, listen, you can be, to use a sports analogy again, you can be pessimistic about the game before the game begins, right? But then once the game starts, you have to let the game play out. Okay, so you were pessimistic before the game began. Right now we're watching the game play out. Now this is just the first quarter of the game, okay? Right now it's just the first quarter of the game for this year. But there are certain. You can't win a game in a first quarter, man, but you can sure as heck lose one. All right, you, you can, you can be down 28, nothing because you committed three turnovers. Your starting quarterback got hurt, right? Okay, you could be down and then it's not over, but it's kind of over. All right, man. I mean, as you're playing out the string, you know, it takes historic levels of comeback to dig out of these kinds of holes, which is, you know, all about 90 plus. Percent of the time, if you do those things early in the game, you're toast. And I think this legislation not becoming, not being, being put on Trump's desk, is that kind of a moment. All right. Because the, my view is the groiper anti Semitism stuff that we're wrestling with up here online for the most part, is not in the water table of the normie Republican voter. They're not aware of much of it. Right. There was so much, you know, angst about the gripers going into Amfest and how the. And then I was put on the stage to basically challenge them in front of the entire conference. But then TPUSA took a poll of their own of the 30,000 people there and they were overwhelmingly pro Israel. Okay, all right. So to me, I think a lot of the griper stuff is real, but it reminds me kind of of the Ron Paul stuff from 15 years ago that we were going to become a pro pot and pro sodomy party. And that was very real amongst a certain segment of, of people that were largely online, on Facebook back then, Reddit forums, discus comment sections on foxnews.com and showed up at CPAC straw polls and stuff like that, but then never really took a critical mass of the, of the, of the larger right. Doesn't mean this won't. But that's how I see it right now, for the most part. Okay. The Save America act is absolutely in the water table of the normie Republican voter, 100%. And I mean, I've done, I've done events for my gubernatorial candidate, Adam Steen, all over the state of Iowa. The only national issue I've been asked about at every one of these events, voter fraud, election integrity. This, this, this legislation. And this is the kind of thing where instead of guys like me refusing to just give up the ghost and like, listen, I still think maybe if it's plus 4 democrat, we got a chance. OK, this is not doing, this is how you get to like a plus 8, plus 9 generic ballot where you just turn off again. It's not going to be, you know, even 10% of the people that would have voted, but it doesn't have to be 4 or 5%. That just gets so frustrated, like, what, what is the point? Okay? What am I doing here if you guys can't even do this? And I, I don't think the Iran war, unless it becomes a quagmire that I think there's almost no chance a headset than Trump and Rubio would allow to happen. Okay. I don't think that has long term, you know, divisive force in our base. Not passing this legislation, I think may risk euthanizing our own base. What are your thoughts?

[Daniel Horowitz]

I think it's the legislation, but it's also what it represents, again, that people are realizing they're getting a bunch of nothing. They're getting nothing for all this. It's kind of like that scene in and the longest day with the rangers. They get up the cliffs and you mean, they say, you mean we did all that for nothing. And that's what it is. This was the most vaunted electoral mandate we've had recently. And yeah, I mean, what do we have to show for it? We, we really don't. The Democrats are going to have historic strength. And to your point, I think so. So look, people selling it that, oh, if you pass the SAVE act, you're going to win the election. That snake.

[Steve Dace]

No, this is going to end up in the federal courts five minutes after it's signed. Ok. Yeah.

[Daniel Horowitz]

No, and that has nothing to do with, I would say the Normie. Normie voter. You're talking about the Republican voter.

[Steve Dace]

Republican normie voter. Yes.

[Daniel Horowitz]

You're not going to overpower power the economy. They're going to lose this election and they lost in 2018. And you almost always lose a midterm when you're in power. The question is like you're saying the severity. The question is right now, polls show Democrats leading both in the governor's and senatorial race in Ohio, in Alaska, Iowa, on the chopping block. And questions about Texas now as well. Those states that Trump won by 11 to 13 points. Okay, if it's not 20 or 30, that's going to be the issue that if you shore up the base, that's where even if you bleed independence, presumably you have enough Republicans to, to at least hold the line narrowly. But if not, you're going to have what you have now, where Democrats out vote Republicans in primaries in Texas, they come within 10,000 in Mississippi. So what exactly are you going to do to get them to the polls? And Steve, I got to say, like, this is very concerning. I am watching a comatose movement. There is nothing outside of Trump's presidential campaign infrastructure. We've gone 11 years where we've maintained the GOP establishments, ideology and modus operandi, except we've lost its competency to win elections. We're outmatched by, by fundraising, gotv. There's no ground game. There's no anything. I'm watching both in the R versus D battles as The Democrats crush. But also in primaries. It used to be we would get an automatic 30%. You have a no name guy against an incumbent. Don't campaign, have zero money. You get 30%. In the tea Party era, that's what it was. Now you have guys that put in 5, 700,000. Not enough. They have somewhat. Some name ID. We saw it in Mississippi last night. They'll get 15, 18%. These incumbents are racking up 85%. So there is our colleagues that are

[Steve Dace]

all like, you see John Thune, you see what he.

[Daniel Horowitz]

Okay, buddy. What are you gonna do about it? What are, what is your plan? I mean, I agree with you Steve, but if we keeping, if we just revert back to in two months. But the Democrat. We have to keep Congress when you're not going to keep it anyway. We need a new plan because what we're doing now is not working.

[Steve Dace]

Indeed. Good to see you, my friend. Thank you.

[Daniel Horowitz]

Take care.

[Steve Dace]

You bet. Gentlemen, your thoughts before we get out of here today.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah. The, the, the people on the left are far better citizens than the people on the right. That's what Daniel just said. Citizenship is set aside. The specifics of it. The God. But it's a level of involvement. It, it is we the people. They want to do it. We don't.

[Aaron McIntyre]

History's decided. History books are written by those who show up. And you know Jesse Kelly, I think you're going to be on his show later today.

[Steve Dace]

I am.

[Aaron McIntyre]

He constantly just reminds people about the, the GOP primary voter. I think it was just this morning I saw he posted the last.

[Steve Dace]

Basically responsible for the death of America.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Basically the margin in Mitch McConnell's last election or primary race. It's just, it's not like that's. But I mean I think you've supported efforts to primary Mitch McConnell as well in the past and have gotten maybe closer than anybody else.

[Steve Dace]

And the Democrats still had more people vote in their primary than we did with Matt Bevin. Yes. Yeah.

[Aaron McIntyre]

Where would you yet be struck? You're not going to be able to be left alone forever.

[Todd Erzin]

And if you dare remind them why, oh, that's when they'll show the energy they should be shown in just being a basic citizen. How dare you pour out my idol.

[Steve Dace]

I mean, the results are what they are. I mean and the proof of concept here is this op ed that John Cornyn probably had Ghost written for him this morning taking a position that if he had held positions like this for the last six years. Does Ken Paxton have a chance in a primary against him? No. Why is he taking those positions now? Because now he feels legitimately threatened in the primary. These are things that we could have been doing all along, but we just. We just chose not to. For a generation. Gonna finish By Southern. Hold for subscribers. For the rest of you, see you tomorrow. Go hard. Romans 8:28.