Connecting Threads

Summary

Stolen Voices of Dole Valley — Episode 9: "Connecting Threads"

Release Date: October 7, 2025
Host: Carolyn Osorio
Podcast: Lemonada Media

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Episode Overview

“Connecting Threads” is a powerful and emotionally charged episode that weaves together decades of investigations, victim and family stories, law enforcement efforts, and newly uncovered evidence in the unsolved murders and disappearances linked to serial killer Warren Forrest in the Pacific Northwest. The episode not only chronicles the efforts to bring accountability after half a century but also highlights the collective resolve of families, survivors, and cold case experts to push for justice—despite seemingly insurmountable odds.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Refueling Cold Case Investigations and the Role of the Podcast

• Retired Detective Doug Maas and former prosecutor Denny Hunter reignited efforts at the Clark County Sheriff’s Office (CCSO) post-Forrest’s 2023 conviction.
• The upcoming Stolen Voices podcast and its newly gathered leads motivated law enforcement to revisit five unsolved cases potentially connected to Forrest.
  (03:19–04:11)
  • Doug Maas: “Just knowing they were getting pressure from Denny and I... and honestly, the pressure from knowing that the podcast series was about to come out.” (03:56)
• Leads generated through the podcast—especially evidence, witnesses, and DNA opportunities—are clarifying connections and supplying momentum.

2. Victim Profiles and Warren Forrest's Modus Operandi

• Forrest’s pattern: targeting teens and young women (14–20), typically alone outdoors, with a clear geographic and temporal overlay between his employment absences and victim disappearances.
  (04:35–05:51)
  • Doug Maas: “He’s got a pattern of taking time off on the day of particular offense or just before or just after.” (05:43)
• The forested region and poorly connected law enforcement agencies in the ’70s created fertile ground for missing cases to slip through jurisdictional cracks.

3. Deep Dives into Individual Victim Stories

Gloria Knudsen (19)

• Escaped a harrowing incident, begged a friend for help, but vanished after refusing to stay overnight. Four years later, her remains were found at Lacamas Lake.
  (14:22–19:28)
• The recovery of a single missing tooth enabled identification; adhesive tape at the scene points to Forrest’s known methods.
  • Det. John Dush: “We found the tooth. And that’s when we knew it was her... Because we hadn’t found that tooth, she may have never been identified.” (19:19–19:28)
• Her best friend Sandy described their bond, their hitchhiking adventures, and a chilling near-miss weeks prior with “a weird guy in a van.”
  (21:25–23:50)

Diane Gilchrist (14)

• Endured violence at home, ran away the night of her disappearance, visited her boyfriend, then disappeared en route to the store. Never found.
  (28:54–32:09)
• Family trauma compounded by law enforcement inaction and lack of closure.
  • Karen (Diane’s sister): “She was cheated out of life and Warren Forrest took that away.” (32:04)
  • Family purchased and keeps a burial plot, awaiting resolution. (33:32)

Additional Cases and Survivors

• The episode methodically reviews Forrest’s known and suspected victims, noting recurring themes of agency silos, missed connections, and lost evidence.

4. Law Enforcement’s Historical Failures and Recent Shifts

• Multiple instances of reports dismissed as runaways; denial of records on “active investigations” that weren’t being pursued.
  (34:22–35:07)
  • Det. John Dush: “Technically... it is an open investigation, but that doesn’t mean that anybody’s working on it.” (34:48)
• Episode reveals how persistent citizen investigators and families, not police, have kept these cases alive across decades.

5. The DNA Breakthroughs and Renewed Hope

• New DNA technology offers a second chance. Hairs and evidence swept from Forrest’s van in the ’70s, long dormant, are being prepared for advanced analysis.
  • Paul Holes (Golden State Killer case consultant): Clear priority: submit pubic and postmortem hairs for modern Forensic Genetic Genealogy.
    (43:09–49:43)
  • Paul Holes: “If you get Valenzuela’s hair inside Forrest’s van, you have a chargeable case that in essence can be used as leverage to... get him to admit to everything he’s done.” (49:05)
• Recent developments include:
  • CCSO reactivating its long-shuttered cold case squad.
  • Ongoing forensic testing of van sweepings and crime scene artifacts.
  • Consideration of immunity for Forrest in exchange for full confessions.

6. The Families’ Enduring Loss — and Newfound Support Network

• The relentless trauma experienced by survivors and victim families is underscored by raw interviews.
  • Larry Helidge (Carol Valenzuela’s brother-in-law): Emotional weight lifted as his brother is finally cleared of suspicion 50 years later; speaks to the healing power of community among affected families.
    (53:26–56:05)
  • Larry: “Doing this is helping those people heal. It’s a process. It’s not just finding out who did it for us. It’s a part of healing.” (58:02)
• Sharon Forrest (ex-wife) now pleads with Warren to confess, framing it as a path to redemption for both him and the families.
  • Sharon: “If something’s on my heart, I have to take care of it. And part of that... is hoping these families get their closure.” (51:25)

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Memorable Quotes & Notable Moments

• “You might be the one to dig up some clue by interviewing these people from the past.”
  — Doug Maas, on the vital role of outsider investigators and the podcast (42:11)
• “Absolutely qualified... he was critical in solving the Golden State Killer case through genetic genealogy... never gave up.”
  — Carolyn, on recruiting Paul Holes (45:12–45:44)
• “She trusted everybody... she was a true friend... She just brought out the best in me.”
  — *Sandra “Sandy” Ortiz Pones, Gloria’s best friend (22:20–22:49)
• “If you get DNA evidence, if you get Valenzuela’s hair inside Forrest’s van, you have a chargeable case...”
  — Paul Holes (49:05)
• “Fifty years later and, you know, still, still here with... is it ever going to end?”
  — Sharon Forrest (50:42)
• “It can be hundreds of people. And doing this is helping those people heal.”
  — Larry Helidge (58:02)
• “It was always our intention to collect these threads and weave the ultimate theme that together we are stronger.”
  — Carolyn (host) (59:09)

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Major Segment Timestamps

• Podcast/Cold Case Relaunch & Timeline Strategy: 03:19–07:53
• Gloria Knudsen’s Case & Investigation: 14:22–19:46
• Friendship with Sandy / Hitchhiking Risks: 21:25–24:50
• Discussion of Diane Gilchrist’s Disappearance: 28:54–33:12
• DNA as a Game Changer (Paul Holes): 43:09–49:43
• Sharon Forrest’s Perspective / Plea for Confession: 50:42–53:11
• Family Healing & Catharsis (Larry/Carol): 53:26–59:09
• Conclusion: Justice, Remembrance, and Ongoing Efforts: 59:09–end

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Conclusion & Continuing Impact

The episode closes with a reflection on the collaborative efforts of families, investigators, and journalists. It emphasizes how sharing these stories—shining light on the "stolen voices"—creates a tapestry of loss, resilience, and hope. DNA technology, persistent advocacy, and the force of community offer a path to long-awaited closure.

“Together, we see you. I’m never going to forget these young women... I hope you will too. Together we will continue to pull on these threads as this is just the beginning on our continued march toward justice for the Stolen Voices of Dole Valley.”
— Carolyn Osorio, Host (59:09–end)

Tip Line: If you have information regarding these cases, call Clark County Sheriff’s Office: 564-397-2847

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Transcript

[A]

It was the spring of 1988, northwestern Alabama. A preacher commits a sin, a deeply personal transgression.

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Lemonada. This series contains descriptions of sexual and physical violence. Throughout. Listener discretion is advised. Previously on Stolen Voices of Dole Valley. Norma's adult daughter Kimber, wrote to Warren Forrest searching for answers about why he chose her mother. I know exactly what he wanted. It was right before his parole hearing, and he wanted to look good for the parole board by giving me the answers that I was seeking, giving me some kind of closure. After being locked up for more than 30 years, Warren Forrest was a model prisoner, and he'd only been convicted of one murder. But just as he'd misjudged the tenacity of Kimber's mother, Norma, when Forrest allowed Kimber to talk to his therapist, he was also unwittingly giving her access to a shocking document. It was a throwaway comment that the therapist made something along the lines of, well, his sexual offender timeline. And I said, hang on, back up. What is the sexual offender timeline? He said, well, for our program, every participant must do a timeline of every single incident of sexual deviance. And now everyone had a copy of the timeline, including the parole board.

[B]

So you just kind of made up whatever you wanted to believe about them.

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Good girls don't hitchhike, things like that. Warren Forrest was denied parole in 2014. Martha Morrison's body was identified, and Warren Forrest would go on trial for her murder in 2023.

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We, the jury, find the defendant guilty of the crime of murder in the first degree.

[A]

After Forrest was sentenced to life in prison, the cold case unit was shuttered. He wasn't going anywhere, so why take the time and effort? But the other stolen voices were still waiting to be heard and for justice to be served.

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It wasn't any direct reluctance on either the prosecutor or the sheriff to move forward. It's the fact that they were overwhelmed budgetarily with that last case. They're currently overwhelmed with all of the current cases.

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That mindset was about to change.

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The other issue at the table was knowing that there was pending publicity.

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I'm your host, Carolyn Osorio. You're listening to Stolen Voices of Dole Valley, episode nine, Connecting Threads.

[B]

Can you see that Screen two.

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I'm seeing two Mug shots of Warren Forest.

[B]

Okay, this is kind of my little murder board.

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That's retired Detective Doug Mass. So after the 2023 trial, Doug and retired prosecutor Denny Hunter kept prodding the Clark County Sheriff's Office into action. Their efforts paid off. They had a meeting the following summer with the command staff to discuss five unsolved cases related to Warren Forrest. During that conversation, the stolen Voices of Dole Valley podcast was also on the agenda.

[B]

It just added a little bit more fuel to Denny and I saying we've got at least five other victim families just knowing that they were getting pressure from Denny and I, and honestly, the pressure from knowing that the podcast series was about to come out.

[A]

Doug is referring to the leads we've generated through the podcast that could help solve these cold cases through DNA and following up with witnesses. We've also reached out to Warren Forrest a couple of times for an interview, which he declined. However, with the release of this podcast and potentially new evidence, law enforcement hopes it will put pressure on him to confess. But before we go there, I first need to tell you about two young women, one whose body was found at Lacamas Lake Park. 19 year old Gloria Knudson. The other young woman, Diane Gilchrist, went missing at the age of 14. Police now suspect Warren Forrest killed them as his MO matched details in Gloria's murder and Diane's disappearance. Warren Forrest's MO Is a huge factor in his crime spree. He left the bodies of his victims in the woods. Their unprotected remains were mostly skeletal by the time they were recovered, which meant there wasn't a lot of physical evidence left to potentially tie Warren Forrest to their murders. And two of his suspected victims have never been found. But there is circumstantial evidence connecting him to as many as five unsolved cases besides the two he was convicted on. Back in 1976, investigators identified a pattern in Warren Forrest's employee time cards.

[B]

When you look at all of the victims, he's got a pattern of taking time off on the day of particular offense or just before or just after.

[A]

Warren Forrest admitted in his sexual offender timeline that he was constantly cruising for victims. And he had a type of young women and teens ages 14 to 20. Six of the nine victims were students. All were outdoors, alone and on foot when they disappeared or encountered Warren Forrest. Now, remember back in 1976, after Christa Blake's body was discovered at Tukes Mountain, Detective Mike Davidson hung that butcher paper roll on the wall and he began filling in details related to crimes against young women. Warren Forrest was suspected of murdering. Okay, I need to warn you here. The next section of this episode might feel a little bit like you're in the eye of a hurricane. As we briefly go over Warren Forrest's path of destruction, we're going to be throwing out a lot of names and dates, but trust me, you don't have to keep track of all the details. By the end of the episode, we're going to get to why the sum of all these threads are important. Because nearly 50 years later, Doug was still adding details to Detective Mike Davidson's.

[B]

Butcher paper role on Forest timeline. It was September 1971. He returns to Vancouver from out of the service. Well, back to December 7th, 1971. It's a picture. Jamie Grissom, whose remains have still not been found. And next on the timeline is Barbara Derry. We've got several leads to look at there, but the timing is obviously curious. She went missing In February of 72 and February 11th to 12th, Forrest just worked a partial day.

[A]

A little more than a month later, Barbara Derry's body was found at the grist mill. Then, according to what we know about Warren Forrest's suspected timeline, he appeared to go dormant.

[B]

There seems to be a gap in 73, but when you go back and read his admissions to the Sexual Offender Treatment Program and the parole board, he alludes to about 15 offenses. Whether he's embellishing or not, he can remember in detail nine offenses, from voyeurism to rapes, mostly ending with live victims, according to him. So this gap in 73 isn't quite as curious as it used to be to me.

[A]

According To Doug's timeline, two other teenagers went missing in 1974. Diane Gilchrist and Gloria Knudsen. Both matched Warren's type and fit his M.O. they were walking alone when they disappeared.

[B]

We have Diane Gilchrist, who went missing on May 29th of 1974. The very next day, Forrest takes off a day off. A couple of days later, Maria Knudson goes missing. And the day after she goes missing, Forrest leaves work early.

[A]

It took years before police connected their disappearances with Warren Forrest. Part of the delay could be because the teens were reported missing in a different jurisdiction. However, even at the time they were reported missing, neither agency had put together that a serial killer was operating in the area. Diane Gilchrist and Gloria Knudson went missing two days apart, just a few months before Warren Forrest murdered Christa Blake. Diane has never been found. Earlier in the series, I mentioned that Gloria Knudson's remains were recovered near Lacamas Lake, about a mile from where Warren Forrest had left Susan for dead. Retired Clark county homicide detective John Dush was assigned to the case in 1978, four years after Gloria went missing.

[B]

These guys had been fishing down on the side of Lacamas Lake, and they were walking back up the hill and they came upon a skull.

[A]

At that time, Warren Forrest was still at Western State Mental Hospital. Just a few months after Gloria's skeletal remains were found, he was charged with Christa Blake's murder. He was found guilty of Christa's murder. However, Gloria Knudson's murder and Diane's disappearance remain unsolved. This episode is sponsored by Better Help. So I grew up watching Mr. Roger reruns, and I've never forgotten a singular lesson. And this was important for me. Cause I was a pretty anxious kid that if I was sad or scared, Mr. Rogers said to look for the helpers. And it still rings true today when it comes to helping people. Better Help therapists have helped over 5 million people worldwide. And behind every journey is a therapist who showed up, listened, and helped someone take a step forward. Moments in therapy like the right question, a safe space to just quickly cry or a small win. And it's important to note that October 10th is world mental Health Day. And this year, Better Help is shining the spotlight on therapists, people who truly make the world a better place. I've often turned to therapy for help, and it has changed my life. But I also know sometimes it's just not easy to ask for help. And that's what I love about BetterHelp is they make it really easy. You just go online, fill out a short questionnaire that helps identify your needs and preferences, and then they get to work matching you with someone that fits your therapy goals. But if you're not happy with your match, you can switch at any time. This World Mental Health Day, we're celebrating the therapists who have helped millions of people take a step forward. If you are ready to find the right therapist for you, BetterHelp can help you start that journey. Our listeners get 10% off their first [e-mail] StolenVoice that's better. H E L P.com StolenVoices well, hi, everybody. It's Julia Louis Dreyfus from the Wiser Than Me podcast. And I'm not gonna talk about food waste this time. I'm gonna talk about food resources. All that uneaten food rotting in the landfill. It could be enriching our soil or feeding our chickens, because it's still food. And the easiest and frankly, way coolest way to put all its nutrients to work is with the Mill Food Recycler. It looks like an art house garbage can. You can just toss your scraps in it like a garbage can. But it is definitely not a garbage can. I mean, it's true, I'm pretty obsessed with this thing. I even invested in this thing. But I'm not alone. Any mill owner just might corner you at a party and rhapsodize about how it's completely odorless and it's fully automated and how you can keep filling it for weeks. But the clincher is that you can depend on it for years. Mill is a serious machine. Think about a dishwasher, not a toaster. It's built by hand in North America and it's engineered by the guy who did your iPhone. But you have to kind of live with Mill to understand all the love. That's why they offer a rift. Go to mill.comweiser for an exclusive offer.

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[A]

Ron McKenzie was out cold. He'd worked the night shift as a bouncer at the Red Caboose, a tavern in downtown Vancouver. It was around 2am When a banging on the door woke him up. He dressed quickly and went to the front door and asked, who's there? It's Gloria, a terrified voice replied. Let me in. Ron later told police he opened the door and 19 year old Gloria Knudson rushed inside. He was acquainted with Gloria. She'd been over to his house before when he'd thrown a party, but he hadn't seen her at the Red Caboose earlier that evening. Gloria had a fake id. Days away from graduating high school, she still lived with her father about three miles away. In the early morning hours, it was obvious to Ron that Gloria had been through something. She was nearly hysterical as she told him that someone was after her, then begged him for a ride home. Ron told Gloria his car was out of gas and he was broke. He offered instead to let her sleep on his couch. Gloria told him no, she had to get home. According to Ron, he went outside and checked the perimeter. He didn't see anyone hanging around. Then he went back inside and again offered to let Gloria stay until morning. Gloria inside insisted she had to get home. And it was then, Ron said, she walked out his door and into the night, never to be seen or heard from again. When Gloria didn't come home, her father, Burt, knew something had happened to his daughter. He reported her missing to the Vancouver police and explained she'd been really excited to graduate and was planning a big party to celebrate. Even so, Byrd had a hard time convincing them Gloria wasn't a runaway. I requested documents from the Vancouver City Police related to the investigation into Gloria's disappearance. My request was denied. The reason I was given for the denial was that her case was an active investigation. Which is all to say, I don't know what, if any, investigation was undertaken after Gloria's father reported her missing. Retired Clark county detective John Dash and I were sitting side by side at his dining room table. In front of us was a binder filled with his investigation into Gloria Knudsen's murder.

[B]

And the other thing is. Let's see, that was a potential or known victims of Forrest.

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Fortunately, he'd made a copy of the entire file before he retired.

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I got called at home on the ninth day of May 1978, four years.

[A]

After Gloria went missing. Some friends were fishing at Lacamas Lake recently. A swath of towering trees had been logged on the south side near where the fishermen rode up and docked their boat. As they hopped out of the boat, one of them noticed a white object on the ground in the foliage. He couldn't quite make out the shape of it, but whatever it was seemed out of place in all the brown and green mix of sword ferns and low growing shrubs. Curious, he walked toward the object. As he closed the distance, he realized it was a human skull.

[B]

We did an excavation of the crime scene. Like an archaeological dig?

[A]

Actually, John's copy of Gloria's case file had everything. Photos, detailed notes, police reports, and his own hand drawn schematics of the Lacamus Lake crime scene.

[B]

That was a diagram of where things were found. Pelvis. Does it say hair? It might have said fibers.

[A]

Hair, too.

[B]

Yeah, right there. Oh, my gosh.

[A]

Oh, and there's the skull.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Wow, you are meticulous.

[B]

I took engineering drawing when I was in school.

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I can see that. I can see you really take your time with stuff. Based on where the remains were found, it Was determined that the victim was left on the forest floor back when the area had been heavily forested.

[B]

We took the skull to local dentists that she had been to. They gave us, you know, that's probably her. It could be her, but there's a tooth missing. And the tooth that was missing had had a root canal done on it.

[A]

This one missing tooth was the one her dentist needed to confirm the identification of Gloria Knudsen.

[B]

So consequently, we went back out to the scene and we took five gallon buckets of soil and we had a screen and screened all of the Otis. I don't remember how much time we spent doing that.

[A]

Did you find it?

[B]

We found the tooth.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

And that's when we knew that it was her. Because we hadn't found that tooth, she may have never been identified.

[A]

Gloria's father had reported her missing to the Vancouver City Police Department. But since her remains had been found at Lacamas Lake, the murder investigation was under the jurisdiction of the Clark County Sheriff's Office. Unfortunately, based on the state of Gloria's remains, no cause of death could be determined.

[B]

She had fake ID that we found at the scene, and she had used that ID on the night that she became missing to go into a bar in Vancouver that's long gone now called the Red Caboose. Later on, early in the morning, at some time, she went to the resident, his name was Ron McKenzie, and knocked on his door, said, somebody's following me. And he offered her to spend the night, but she declined. And then she wasn't heard from again.

[A]

During John's investigation, he discovered that Ron had moved out of state. He was only able to interview him over the phone. During the conversation, Ron described the same story.

[B]

So we had questions about Ron McKenzie and in the end result, he moved to California. And we wanted to go down there to interview him, but our request was denied. And that was kind of like the end of it.

[A]

This fact haunts John to this day and why he took her case file home after he retired because he'd never been able to solve Gloria's murder. John must have been reading my mind because just as I was working up the courage to ask him if I could borrow Gloria's file, he said this.

[B]

If you really wanted to and you would promise to returned it, I'd give you the whole file.

[A]

You know what, I didn't want to ask, but I would love that and I will send it back to you and you can have my order From Gloria's case file. I was able to track down her Best friend. And did she have a story to tell?

[B]

My name is Sandra Luz Ortiz Pones, and Gloria was my best friend.

[A]

I didn't know she was your best friend.

[B]

I mean, like my sister friend, you know?

[A]

I do. I had my ride or die in high school. Who was my best friend? If you've ever had a best friend growing up, then you'll understand what Sandy lost. When Gloria disappeared just before graduating high school, we were sitting across kind of.

[B]

Each other, and she glanced at me and I glanced at her, and we started talking, and we became friends. We became best friends. She was my life. I mean, you know, we did everything together. Beautiful, free soul. She just brought out the best in me. I think I was kind of shy and everything because I came from Mexico and I didn't have many friends. Gloria was a true friend.

[A]

Sandy moved to Clark county from Mexico with her mother and siblings when she was 10 years old. Gloria helped her open up, Spent a.

[B]

Lot of time at her house, and.

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Her mom died when she was young.

[B]

And her dad raised her.

[A]

Bert Knudson.

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He was kind of strict at times, but he's a really good dad. He was, and he tried hard. She had a wild side to her. We spent a lot of time together. We hitchhiked all over the northwest.

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Sandy said it was all harmless fun, except one time after they hitched a ride together after playing softball, we had.

[B]

Our bat and mid and all that, and some guy picked us up, and.

[A]

She got in the front, and I.

[B]

Got in the back, and he put his hands on her and said, like, what are you gonna do? Pay for this ride? And I grabbed the bat and I said, pull this thing over and let us out, or I'm gonna hit you right over the head with this bat. And that was the only incident we ever had.

[A]

And what did he say to that?

[B]

He just pulled over.

[A]

Well, you. You just. You were the quiet one. But you were ready to bring it, huh?

[B]

That's me. It's always been me. I'm quiet, but I could be deadly, huh?

[A]

Yeah, I can. I believe you. But Gloria often hitchhiked alone. I asked Sandy if Gloria had ever talked about getting a ride with a guy in a van. Sandy said Gloria had called her about this weird guy in a van just a couple weeks before she went missing.

[B]

Because she called me up and said, some guy pick her up in a van, and he was acting kind of weird. And after he dropped her off, he followed her, and she sounded kind of out of breath, and she said, this van's following me. And I said, well, just go home.

[A]

So it wasn't that long before she went missing that she had called you about the van? The person, yes. And did she describe what the person looked like?

[B]

Do you? Nope.

[A]

Sandy recalled the last day she saw her best friend.

[B]

And I think on that day she wanted me to go do something with her. And my mom said no, and she left. And that was the last I've seen of her. And I struggle with that so much because I had dreams that she was trying to call me. And for a long time I had dreams that she was like in hiding or something. Something or I didn't really know what happened to her.

[A]

After Gloria disappeared, Sandy never lost hope that her spirited best friend was alive and well, living her best life somewhere. Those hopes revisited four years later when Sandy learned that Gloria's remains were found near Lacamus Lake.

[B]

It just broke my heart, especially the way that they say she went because.

[A]

She was such a free, loving person.

[B]

She trusted everybody by then.

[A]

Had you heard of Warren Forrest?

[B]

No.

[A]

Do you remember when you heard that Gloria could be connected to this guy? When they found her remains? That's when I heard that name going through Gloria's file. There was no mention of Warren Forrest as a suspect. But as I was reading through John's meticulous notes, something caught my attention. Earlier, John described sifting through buckets of soil to find Gloria's missing tooth. But when I reviewed the file later, I read that he had also reported recovering bits of white adhesive tape. Adhesive tape was seized from Forrest's van after his arrest for his crimes against Susan. The adhesive tape that was found near Gloria's remains.

[B]

Reviewing my notes, I came upon the fact that in evidence there is apparently some tape. It would be interesting to see if the possibility exists today of getting some DNA evidence off of that. Off of the tape. And who knows?

[A]

Well, I don't know if you know this, but. But when Warren Forest kidnapped the Lacamas Lake victim, he stopped off at the store, bought some beer and a couple of other items which included some adhesive tape. So I find that very interesting when I read that, you know, and that's the thing about this case. It's like until you know all the different things about it, it's hard to connect. You know what I mean?

[B]

Absolutely. So it's like sometimes, okay, there's a piece over here and a piece here and a piece here, and then you go, wait a minute. It's like a jigsaw puzzle. Maybe these three pieces go together.

[A]

I discovered Another circumstantial puzzle piece as I read through Gloria's file how John described the position of her remains at the crime scene. In his report, he observed that her limbs appeared to be drawn up under the body and that the way the buttons of her clothing were found under her remains indicated she'd been positioned on her stomach. As I read and reread these details, I was wondering, had Gloria been hogtied? That's the question I emailed John to which he responded, quote, it would be accurate to say that the victim might have been hogtied in a similar manner to other known victims of Forest. Before we get to evidence we've uncovered that could link Warren Forest to these cases, there's one more potential victim we still need to talk about who circumstantially linked to Warren Forrest.

[B]

What really brought the attention to Warren on the rest of the cases was Maz put together like a timeline, like a link chart, if you will. And it's okay. This lady went missing. Say for example, Diane Gilchrist. She went missing on the 29th. Two days later, Lori Knutson went missing. In Doug's investigation, there were times when someone would go missing and Warren would take the rest of the day off.

[A]

Or take like a half day, a.

[B]

Half day or sick day or the next day off. And so all these things kind of started to gel.

[A]

It was a Monday, May 27, 1974. 14 year old Diane Gilchrist stayed after school to play ball with friends. Later that day, as she walked through the front door of her family's home, it's likely that Diane expected the worst. Fear and punishment. Diane was the eldest of five siblings and the brunt of her father's rage. Next in line was her 12 year old brother. Their little sisters, who were 11, 10 and 9, had become adept at running for cover. I spoke with Diane's sister Karen, who was just 10 years old when Diane went missing. Karen described a horrific childhood marked by alcoholism and domestic violence. What was that like for you guys?

[B]

Oh, terrifying. We just had to run and hide and mom always got beat up or sets of dentures. My dad would smack her and broke them all in half. We would run across the street and call the cops.

[A]

Sadly for Diane, that Monday was like every other night. Not long after she stepped foot through the door, her father targeted her, which led to a verbal altercation and Diane's head being slammed into a door jam. Diane bolted upstairs to the bedroom she shared with her sister Kay. At some point, Diane told her sister Kay she was going to Run away, she added, I can't handle it anymore. Then she climbed out their bedroom window and escaped into the night.

[B]

She said that she remembered Diane going out the window.

[A]

Well, it sounds like there was a tree that was leaning up against the window that she shimmied down.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Did she take any clothes with her?

[B]

I don't think so. I know she didn't run away.

[A]

So she was planning on coming back.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And Karen was right. Diane walked to her boyfriend David's house who lived nearby. David would later tell police that Diane arrived at around 7pm not long after she told them she was going to walk to the store for cigarettes. David wanted to go with her, and she responded that she wanted to go alone and would be back soon. But like Gloria, Diane never made it back. She'd vanished, seemingly without a trace. Two days later, Diane's mother reported her missing to the Vancouver City Police. According to Karen, their mother was so grief stricken by Diane's disappearance, she had a breakdown and checked herself into Western State Mental Hospital. The same place where Warren Forrest was later committed. Your mother went to a mental hospital?

[B]

Yeah. When she found out about sister Diane.

[A]

Missing, like how many days after?

[B]

Probably like three, four days.

[A]

And then your mom just went up, packed up and committed herself?

[B]

I didn't know until years later.

[A]

Do you know what hospital she went to? Western State.

[B]

Yeah, the same place Warren Forrest.

[A]

I was gonna say yes. At the same time, Diane's siblings went into foster care after their mother went to Western State. And the loss of Diane devastated the family.

[B]

She was cheated out of life and Warren Forrest took that away.

[A]

So you're convinced that it's him? Why do you think it's him?

[B]

Because of the time frame with all the little missing people and where he lived at.

[A]

What we do know is that both Diane and Gloria disappeared from locations near the intersection of Franklin and West 19th Century Street. And at some point, like Gloria, Diane was added to Detective Mike Davidson's butcher paper as a suspected victim of Warren Forest, based on his M.O. like Jamie Grissom, Diane Gilchrist is still missing decades later. Clark County Sheriff's investigators went to collect DNA from Diane's sisters. They wanted to compare their samples to the blood stained found on the dart gun. However, that stain was only a match to Martha Morrison. And the family feels like they've been left in the dark over the last 50 years.

[B]

Not doing enough, the detectives we went for a DNA and that was it. Nobody says nothing about nothing.

[A]

And like Jamie's sister Star, Diane's siblings want to find their Sister and bring her home.

[B]

No trace, no nothing. And we want answers.

[A]

Resolution.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

What do you think that would do for your family? You guys have all been through so much. Well, we can put her at rest.

[B]

We have a plot.

[A]

You have a plot? Yeah.

[B]

It's going to be for her remains.

[A]

Or who purchased that.

[B]

Mom.

[A]

What did this do to your mom?

[B]

Try to kill herself a few times.

[A]

For the families of the missing and murdered, the pain can stretch on for generations. It is definitely so for Diane's family. Which brings me back to the Vancouver police and how they refuse to release records. Something I talked with John about. Are you surprised when I told you that I had reached out to the Vancouver police for a public disclosure request on both Diane and Gloria Knudsen's case and that they said that this is currently an open, ongoing investigation?

[B]

Well, yeah, I was quite surprised about that because in my estimation, I suppose that technically it is an open investigation, but that doesn't mean that anybody's working on it. All of these missings and, you know, never found. Technically there's. They're still open, but that doesn't mean that anything's being done. You know what I'm. Do you understand what I'm saying?

[A]

I do, and I think it's really ridiculous, especially if they just have a missing persons report. You know, I mean, there's. There's no reason not to share that if that's all they have.

[B]

I mean, absolutely. I just don't understand that. And have you run into the same issue with the sheriff? Sheriff's office.

[A]

John poked around a bit, asking his connections in law enforcement about the Vancouver Police's, quote, active investigation into Diane's case. He wrote me an email about what he'd learned. Quote, vancouver police took the original missing report and there was essentially no follow up by detectives at vpd. The case file was very short and contained very little. Now that we've discussed all the known cold cases that investigators have potentially linked to Forrest, what avenues remain towards solving these cases? Our investigation uncovered some leads that still need to be followed up on and crucial evidence that has never been tested for DNA, which could either lead to another murder charge against Warren Forrest or trigger a possible confession. And for that, we needed the help of the Clark County Sheriff's Office. Let's start off with you saying your name and title, basically how you'd like us to refer to you in the podcast.

[B]

Sergeant Fred Nieman with the Clark County Sheriff's Office.

[A]

I have to tell you, this interview with Sergeant Fred Nieman was a long Time coming, I'd been told that he was in charge of the Warren Forest investigation. I sent him an email requesting an interview In August of 2023, introducing myself as a Seattle journalist working on a podcast series about the Warren Forest investigation. He was quick to respond with a polite no. Undeterred, I focused on interviewing people related to the 50 year investigation and burying myself in police records and court documents. But after months of digging, I found something that would change everything. Buried within pages of documents from the sheriff's office, I read something confounding on a list of suspected victims of Vaughan Forest. Next to Barbara Derry's name was a handwritten word. Solved. I was like, solved. Was I missing something? In time, I eventually connected this thread to another. A lab report related to Barbara Derry that said suspect DNA had been compared with evidence from the grist mill crime scene. The crazy thing about this suspect DNA that they were referring to was that it wasn't Warren Forrest. I ruminated about it. Then it hit me. My conversation with Detective Bob Songer, who initially investigated Barbara Derry's murder, and I.

[B]

Think there was one other guy that was kind of suspicious, but it ended up going nowhere.

[A]

It appeared a tip was run down in Barbara's case in the early 2000s related to a man named Alan Burnham. Burnham lived near the grist mill at the time of Barbara's murder and he was brought in for questioning in April of 1972. Here's audio from that recorded interview with Detective Bob Songer.

[B]

Interview with Ellen Burham. Just go over what we talked about in regards to this grist mill situation. My understanding that you lived up by the grist mill within a close proximity during the time the body was found up there? Yes. Do you recall hearing about it when the body was found? Yes. Do you know what kind of body was found? No. All I know is that she's wearing a sweatshirt and her dress is hiked up over her shoulder or something. Do you know how the young lady was murdered? No.

[A]

This interview was conducted a couple weeks after Barbara was found at the bottom of the silo.

[B]

Have you ever been inside the Briscoe? I just walked into the bottom part and up to the top level.

[A]

When Songer asked him if he ever went to the silo, Burnham said no. The tape is pretty rough, but the gist of the interview was that Burnham's ex wife had reached out to the sheriff's office claiming he was involved in the murder of the girl found at the grist mill. Allen Burnham denied any involvement in Barbara's murder. And nothing more came of it today. Burnham is deceased. I reached out to Sergeant Nieman again. This time I requested an on camera interview to discuss if the licked envelopes, which were believed to be Alan Burnham's, had matched cigarette butts found at the Gristmill crime scene. Was that tested? I'm unclear. That's a part that you know. Cause they had the envelopes, they went through the process of getting them and then there's no full picture as to whether or not those were tested. Do you know if they were?

[B]

The envelopes?

[A]

Yeah, the envelopes.

[B]

The envelopes were sent to the Washington State Crime Lab to attempt to get a DNA profile from them. They were not examined. Our notes indicate that the exam was retracted, but I don't know the reason for why that was.

[A]

What does that mean? Like why would they be retracted?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I would like to have a cold case investigator who can really dive into this case look at. Is that a DNA profile we do need to try and develop? And do we have evidence we could compare it to from evidence we still retain from the 1970s case?

[A]

That day Sergeant Niemann committed to finding out if the samples had been tested and if they hadn't resubmit them for testing. I also asked if he would consider getting outside help from qualified investigators.

[B]

Yeah, we would definitely consider bringing on additional assistance with these investigations. I think our biggest limiting factor is resources.

[A]

Okay, that's, that's fantastic. Months later I got an update from Sergeant Nieman on the status of the licked envelopes and the cigarette butts related to Barbara Derry's murder investigation. They hadn't been tested. Sergeant Neiman sent them back to the lab for a DNA comparison and the results came back as inconclusive. But he also told me they had sent in more evidence from the Gristmill crime scene for testing. We are still awaiting those results. Jamie Grissom, who never returned home from school in December of 1971, is suspected of being Warren Forrest's first victim. Jamie has never been found, but her belongings were discovered five months after she went missing in Dole Valley near the Rock Creek Bridge. If you'll recall, earlier in the series you heard from a resident whose husband heard blood curdling screams around the time that Jamie went missing. That December, another neighbor, 19 year old Matt McClure, claimed he'd saw a woman who was bloody naked and tied to a tree by the Rock Creek Bridge. Cold case investigator Doug Maas wasn't even aware of the Matt McClure story until we told him.

[B]

What's important to me is partly because you're seeing this fresh and you're connected with people who I may never have talked to. I guess what I'm saying is you might be the one to dig up some clue by interviewing these people from the past.

[A]

Not long after I shared the Matt McClure tip with Doug, the Clark County Sheriff's Office put a call out on their social media channels that they were Looking for Matt McClure. Interviewing Matt all these years later is important because he could could verify if the story was true and also help pinpoint the vicinity he saw the woman tied between the trees, which could help the canine team who is actively searching Dole Valley for Jamie Grissom's remains. Beyond the Matt McClure story, there was another piece of evidence we had come across in our investigation. Forensic sweepings from Warren Forest's van that had been collected in the 1970s. Let's talk about the hairs.

[B]

So that's part of the official investigation, so I can't go very far with it. Just other to say than what you discovered. And the same thing that we discovered, we have the sweepings from the van in 1974. Those went off to the lab back in 1974 and there's no significant results at all.

[A]

Using today's DNA technology, the evidence collected back then could physically link Warren Forest to other victims.

[B]

Had the sweepings said that there was some blood and kind of human tissue on a couple of the hairs? According to the current technology, if you've got the hair and you've got DNA to compare it to, there's a chance there.

[A]

Which is where retired criminalist Paul Holz comes into play. Paul was credited with solving the Golden State Killer case back in 2018. He currently works for Othram, a lab that specializes in in advanced DNA testing and forensic genetic genealogy to help solve cold cases. When I found out about the van sweepings, I reached out to Paul to see if he'd help with the case. What do you do for Oathram? And how can Clark County Sheriff's Office benefit from your brand of consulting?

[B]

Yeah, so I've been hired as a forensic investigator with othram, and so my job duties, in essence are to consult with law enforcement on their unsolved cases. Now, of course, Othram themselves are a genealogy company, but I bring 30 years plus experience working with unsolved cases. So I'm not just trying to help the agency with the genealogy process. I am trying to holistically help the agency across all aspects of their case. Most notably trying to find, you know, evidence, DNA evidence, but not just restricted to DNA evidence that can advance the case and potentially lead to who the, the offender is.

[A]

I believed Paul's expertise could be just the thing to tip the scales towards solving the cases attributed to Warren Forrest. Paul Holes is absolutely qualified. He is a retired Contra Costa county sheriff criminologist. He was the one that was critical in solving the Golden State killer case through genetic genealogy. He worked on that thing for like 24 years, never gave up. It was before genetic genealogy really hit the, the wavelengths.

[B]

If that opportunity dropped in front of us fairly quickly, we've, we've got the samples and we're particularly interested in Carol Balance Awayla.

[A]

A couple of things happened after this conversation with Doug. In December of 2024, Sergeant Nieman announced in a press conference that the Clark County Sheriff's Office cold case squad, the one that had been shuttered after Warren Forrest had been convicted of Martha Morrison's murder, had been reactivated.

[B]

Each one of these victims has a story behind it, has a family behind it, and we really want closure for those victims families.

[A]

Sergeant Niemann also shared that more than 70 hairs had been swept up in Warren Forest fan in the 1970s.

[B]

Technology in 2014 didn't allow for much DNA testing of those hair samples. So we're now reevaluating with current technology. If there's further things we can do either through the state crime lab or through private labs that have even more sort of advanced techniques that they can apply.

[A]

In the summer of 2025, our team flew Paul Holes to Clark county to meet with investigators and to go over the van sweepings. What Paul discovered was a game changer. So we have a lot to discuss. You had a good day today?

[B]

I did, I did.

[A]

Tell me about it.

[B]

Well, you know, so I, I spent the morning with Doug going over this long list of hair evidence, you know, and I don't think people truly appreciate the magnitude of how much, how many items this really is. I don't think there's a law enforcement agency in the nation that would have the budget to be able to send all 70 items in.

[A]

More than 70 hairs to process for DNA would be hundreds of thousands of dollars. Paul could help narrow down which hairs to test.

[B]

And what I did today with Doug, well, which hair should we prioritize that are more likely to be a result of, you know, a victim having been sexually assaulted and, or killed and, or transported inside this van versus just, you know, random people, you know, coming in and sitting in the van or Forrest himself, and he's shedding hairs all the time.

[A]

In reviewing the evidence and lab reports, something immediately jumped out. In 2012, a forensic examiner had made a shocking determination.

[B]

But she also is pointing out that some of the hairs that were collected are pubic hairs. And then some of the hairs that were collected appeared to be post mortem, indicating that they had come out after somebody had died, starting to decompose, and the hairs at least themselves ended up in the van.

[A]

Obviously, hairs from a dead person would be the first ones you'd want to send into the lab for DNA testing. And one of the hairs collected was of similar length and color to Carol Valenzuela. In reviewing the case, Paul recalled that back in 1974, when they recovered Carol's body, they also collected as evidence a hair mass from her scalp, which could be critical all these years later.

[B]

Get that hair mask to the hair examiner and have her say, of all these 70 hairs, these are the ones that are the most similar to Valenzuela because in terms of the investigation, they have a strong circumstantial case that Forrest is the one responsible for Valenzuela. But if you get DNA evidence, if you get Valenzuela's hair inside Forrest's van, you have a chargeable case that in essence can be used as leverage to hang over Forrest's head to try to get him to admit to everything he's done.

[A]

Sergeant Fred Nieman said that since our investigation, things have really picked up in the case, including investigators speaking more frequently with Warren Forrest in hopes that he will confess.

[B]

Your investigation has really helped push Colgate's unit back into active mode on the Warren Force case. We are preparing for potential prosecution if that comes down to it. And we are contacting Warren Force again and trying to come to some sort of resolution in these outstanding cases.

[A]

Not only was Warren Forrest getting pressure from the Sheriff's office to confess or be charged with Carol Valenzuela's murder, but Sharon, his ex wife, was also encouraging him to come clean. I told you, Sharon declined my request for an interview earlier in the series, but this summer she reached out to me when I was in Clark county interviewing Paul Holes. She wanted to speak with me, so I stopped by her home on my way back to Seattle.

[B]

Fifty years later and, you know, still, still here with, you know, it's, it's just like it's. Is it ever going to end?

[A]

You know, I think that it's only going to end when he comes clean.

[B]

Yeah, I hate what he did. I remember the good part, that's what I remember. That's what I wanted. Because, you know, I. He was. He was like my forever love. Sad. So you can just say so many lives were just our family. I know how we feel. I can't imagine how they feel. They don't. I mean, we at least have each other.

[A]

Sharon was at a crossroads in her life.

[B]

It's on my heart. And I know that if something's on my heart, I have to take care of it. And part of that taking care is hoping that these families get their closure. If I was one of them, I would want.

[A]

Sharon told me she has continuing conversations with Warren Forrest about the five unsolved cases in Clark county that he's suspected of.

[B]

The deal now is if you tell them what you know about those five cases, that you will stay and you won't have to go to Clark county anymore at your age.

[A]

Warren Forest is 76 years old. Sharon told me that recently he'd been beaten up in prison and was terrified at the thought of being brought back to the Clark county jail if he was charged with Carol's murder, where he would be a target because of his crimes. They have like over 70 hairs. Carol Valenzuela. I mean, they. They'd have enough to charge.

[B]

Yeah. And he. And I told him that. I said, they can charge you with Carol Benzuela's murder. You have to go all through that again. Why would you want to do this? Just give the family their closure and your redemption.

[A]

And what does he say?

[B]

He goes, I can't. I don't trust them. He goes, one thing. I don't trust them. I said, I'm trusting them.

[A]

What's interesting here is that the way Sharon described Forrest's response as not trusting law enforcement. But during my conversation with her, she didn't say anything about Warren Forest denying having anything to do with the five cases. The redemption part can come from you.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Where you can help him.

[B]

Yeah, that's. That's my. That's my plan. If I were the sibling of somebody, I can't even imagine what they go through because their person's gone and they're not gonna see him again.

[A]

Sharon's right. Larry Helidge will never see his sister in law, Carol Valenzuela, again. So great to actually meet you in person.

[B]

Yes. This is awesome.

[A]

We've had a couple of phone conversations.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You brought your daughter.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Why did you bring your daughter today?

[B]

Moral support. Maybe keep me a little stronger. Don't get so emotional. Well, this is.

[A]

That's a big thing for you because in your family, being emotional was viewed as being weak.

[B]

Right? Right. Yeah.

[A]

And so you're just now it's 50.

[B]

Years later learning how to deal with these emotions.

[A]

Carol Valenzuela was the mother of twin baby girls, and her husband Robert, Larry's brother, remained a suspect until December of 2024, when during the announcement of the reactivation of the Cold Case Unit, Robert was officially cleared as a suspect. For all these years, Carol's murder placed a dark cloud of suspicion on Robert for the rest of his life.

[B]

We had a detective that would come to my house and yell at my mom. Your son killed his wife and you're helping him. That makes you a murderer too.

[A]

Larry was just 12 years old when Carol went missing.

[B]

She was inquisitive, you know, she put some interest in me and that was, that was a big thing back then for me.

[A]

After Carol and Robert got married and had the twins, they came to live with Robert's family.

[B]

She was the kind of person, if you met her, you wanted to be her friend. She wanted, you know, everybody wanted her around her, be around her.

[A]

Well, what was it about her?

[B]

Her kindness? She was just a real, true person.

[A]

But for Larry, all these years later, with the podcast and the new information that's been gleaned, and with the reactivation of the Cold Case unit in a 50 year old case, there is an incredible sense of catharsis and togetherness. I know that you're friends with Star and you were friends with Norma. What has this experience been like with you having what you refer to as sisters?

[B]

Kind of a good feeling. These people that are surrounding me with kindness and it's real and it's an awesome feeling because I think that we.

[A]

Always go to the negative up there. This case, it's gone on for 50 years. So much has happened, evidence was lost, people weren't believed, and finally there was some justice. But it's taken a toll on so many. So many people, so many lives have been destroyed. Yeah, but there's this positive, like, this community of, like, rallying together. Do you feel that in the momentum that's building?

[B]

I do.

[A]

I feel that with Norma and she.

[B]

Star, even Doug, it's. It's like there's a camaraderie there that you only get in certain areas of life.

[A]

And all those threads that we've slowly been assembling are being woven together possibly towards some kind of resolution, potentially justice for the stolen voices, but at the very least, sharing their stories and hearing from their loved Ones about what they've lost at the hands of Warren Forest is important. A listener has reached out to law enforcement to put them in contact with Matt McClure, that witness who claimed he'd seen a woman tied up in the woods and reported it to the police around the time Jamie Grissom went missing. Cold case investigator Doug Mass told me they will share the results of any conversations they may have with him. There's also some movement in the unsolved murder of Karen Wiles. Karen was a patient at Western State Hospital at the same time Warren Forrest was committed there. Her body was found on the tide flats 10 miles away from Western State Hospital. Karen's case is open again. Investigators went to interview Warren Forrest about her murder for the first time. He said nothing. But Detective Julie Dear is still awaiting lab reports on evidence she sent into the lab for DNA testing. Because I am still working on it. It is not any longer cold. And as we await testing of those hairs recovered from Warren Forest's van, the sheriff's office has been working on a deal to give Warren Forrest immunity from prosecution if he comes clean. And if he doesn't, potentially another murder charge for Carol Valenzuela. Carol's brother in law, Larry, says now is the time to come forward. If anyone has information about these unsolved.

[B]

Cases, it's time to do the right thing and I'm going to do it. It's not just Carol, it's all the others too. It's a really deep impact and it's not just one person. It can be hundreds of people. And doing this is helping those people heal. It's a process. It's not just finding out who did it for us. It's a part of healing. And time's getting short because the prosecutor wants to go ahead and I've told him that the prosecutor is going to prosecute this case.

[A]

And Warren Forest's health is failing.

[B]

His dad had heart problems and so he does too. Time's ticking away on our lives, both.

[A]

Of us bringing another charge against him. And I absolutely will get up there on that stand and tell my story.

[B]

Again and put my fear and my.

[A]

Pain and my fears in front of the entire world if that's what it.

[B]

Takes to get him convicted of Carol's.

[A]

Murder, of Jamie's, of Diane Gilchrist, all.

[B]

Of them, I will be there for it.

[A]

And do. And the ones, the ones we don't know about. I approach this series first as a witness and then as a storyteller, attempting to weave together the loose ends and make sense of the injustice these young women endured. Norma's trauma of not being believed, the patience and fortitude of Star continuing on through agonizing heartbreak. And for investigators who chipped away for decades, that dogged persistence and a little luck kept a serial killer behind bars. The rope metaphor has always been an important visual representation. Yes, Warren Forrest used rope to bind and gag his victims into submission. But in the shredded strands he left behind, it was always our intention to collect these threads and weave the ultimate theme that together we are stronger. And so it is with this case. This investigation has always been personal for me, and it might be for you too. Because if you've ever felt like you've been emotionally or physically silenced, not believed or felt unseen after enduring a horrific trauma, or maybe you've witnessed that happening to someone else, you're not alone. Together, we see you. I'm never going to forget these young women. Jamie Grissom, Barbara Derry, Diane Gilchrist, Gloria Knudsen, Krista Blake, Norma Jean Countryman, Carol Valenzuela, Martha Morrison, Susan and Karen Wiles. I will remember their stories for the rest of my life. I hope you will too. This season of Stolen Voices of Dole Valley is ending, but together we will continue to pull on these threads as this is just the beginning on our continued march toward justice for the Stolen Voices of Dole Valley. If you have information about the case, please call the Clark County Sheriff's Office tip line at 564-397-2847. For more on Stolen Voices of Dole Valley, including pictures, or to contact the show, find us on social media@stolen voicespod or visit our website stolenvoicespod.com and if you like the show, please give us a five star rating and a review. It really helps us get discovered, of course. Tell your friends and be sure to follow us so you don't miss an episode. You can also support us by subscribing to Lemonada Premium, available right now in your podcast. Podcast player Lemonada Premium unlocks exclusive bonus episodes like my conversation with Paul Holes, who helped solve the Golden State Killer case using DNA and genealogy technology. Hall is now consulting on the Warren Forest case, hoping new tests on old evidence can tie Forrest to other victims. Stolen Voices of Dole Valley is researched, written and hosted by me, Carolyn Osorio Production, sound design and mixing by Trent Sell produced for Pie in the Sky Media by Brandon Morgan. My personal thanks to Ben Kiebrick for his thoughtful and inspired edits. A special thanks to Dave Colley, Amy Donaldson, Andrea Smarden, Ryan Meeks and Jenny Ament. Main musical score composed by Alison Layton Brown with Lemonada Media executive producers Jessica Cordova Kramer and Stephanie Wittleswax and for KSL Podcasts executive producer Cheryl Worsley. Stolen Voices of Dole Valley is a production of Pie in the Sky Media, KSL Podcasts and Lemonada Media.