"Drake" w/ Jay Jurden

Summary

Podcast Summary: StraightioLab - "Drake" w/ Jay Jurden

Release Date: April 7, 2026
Hosts: George Civeris & Sam Taggart
Guest: Jay Jurden

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Episode Overview

In this episode of StraightioLab, comedians George Civeris and Sam Taggart welcome Jay Jurden (whose special "Yes, Ma'am" is streaming on Hulu) to dissect the straightest aspects of popular rapper Drake and his place in straight culture. The trio dives into how Drake’s persona, choices, and public feuds embody a uniquely straight (and specifically "boyish") energy, making him, as Jay argues, “the straightest musician alive right now.” The humor-laden analysis covers Drake’s behaviors, his obsessions, his posting habits, and his fans, intertwining pop culture critiques, queer perspectives, and personal anecdotes.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Setting the Tone: Video Games, Pokemon, and Gay Hobbies

[03:19–15:15]

• The hosts and guest bond over how personal interests—like video games or Pokemon—can be coded by gender and sexuality, and how different groups (gay vs. straight; nerd vs. jock) relate to hobbies.
• Memorable quote:

  “Gay guys are kind of like the last form of Pokemon.” – George (08:00)

• Jay explains how re-engagement with nerd culture, such as video games, changes with age and income, and how, unlike other hobbies, gaming is seen as the “one true unproductive thing one can do.”
• Sam shares his past as a Super Smash Bros. fiend, and how being too good at the game alienated him at Fire Island gatherings.

2. Comedy, Culture Shifts, and the Dynamics of Taste

[13:10–16:59]

• The evolution of how comedies are received, sometimes initially dismissed but later revered (e.g., "White Chicks"), as well as the modern TV trend of manufacturing memes (bad wigs, intentionally outrageous characters).
• Jay and the hosts discuss standards in dramatic vs. comedic performances and how comedies increasingly serve multiple purposes: creating viral clips, boosting stars, or reminding audiences of an actor’s comedic chops.

3. Celebrity Reputation, Empathy, and Industry Gatekeeping

[17:00–28:38]

• A conversation on how difficult personalities rise in entertainment, using examples like Nicki Minaj and Katherine Heigl ("Is empathy a flaw?" – Sam, 22:18).
• Why pet charities are often political signifiers ("When I hear that someone's passion is a pet charity...so you're right wing." – George, 27:05)
• The furor around dog/pet ownership as a highly polarized “third rail” and how it exposes divides among Americans.

4. Straight Shooters Rapid-Fire Segment

[33:10–36:46]

• Jay expertly responds to a series of “this or that” word associations, riffing with the hosts (“Serving cunt or Helen Hunt?”).
• The trio joke about how “head” (oral sex) is like giving an iPad to a fussy child: sometimes just what’s needed to cut through a bad mood.

5. Drake’s Straightness—A Cultural Case Study

[38:48–54:51+]

• Core segment of the episode.
• Jay’s Thesis:

  “Drake is the straightest musician alive right now. Drake does things for straight boys.” (38:48)

  • Drake’s choices—buying Birkins, public sports betting, public beefs, showing off abs—are all “for the boys,” i.e., performed for male validation.
  • Many of his behaviors, like posting thirst-trap pics or gambling, are coded as performative masculinity, not genuine pursuit of taste or aesthetic.

  “He cares about his reputation among men. ... It's very straight in the sense that it's homosocial.” – Jay (44:00)

• Key themes:
  • Drake’s ongoing public feuds (esp. with Kendrick Lamar) resemble high school/freshman year “boy” dynamics, with an emphasis on being “part of the big three” or included by the guys.
  • Obsession with “boy validation” leads to questionable choices, especially in relation to women (e.g., his Megan Thee Stallion reference).

Notable Quotes:

• On Drake's persona:

  "Drake is stuck between his old self and his new self. He's very much like, trying to shed my high school self because in college, I want to be a tough guy." – George (42:54)

• On the Kendrick beef and colorism:

  “Part of the reason why Drake is feminized and Kendrick is masculinized is racism and colorism. ... If you're just calling Drake feminine because he's a light-skinned, biracial Black man, then every dark-skinned Black woman is masculinized by that rhetoric.” – Jay (50:41)

• On Drake’s sophomore musical risks:

  “He takes risks, he makes interesting music, and then just, like, makes it...boy. Okay, and now for the final pass, we're going to add a little bit of misogyny.” – George (71:05)

6. Authenticity, Performative Masculinity, and Boy Culture

[54:51–69:47]

• Drake, like many straight men, keeps striving for younger male approval as his original peer group settles down, leading to awkward alliances with younger Internet personalities.
• The group draws connections between “boy” culture and risk aversion in stand-up comedy, where straight male comedians can resist being the butt of the joke or perceived as “less than.”

7. Drake's Possible Future

[73:55–76:10]

• George predicts that for Drake to escape his straight-boy pigeonhole, he’d need an “Oscar-bait” acting moment—a la Mickey Rourke in "The Wrestler"—where he’s vulnerable, self-deprecating, and allows himself to lose ego.

  "You want to see him do pratfalls. You want to see a woman throw a drink in his face. ... Only a person who's kind of secure could do that." – Jay (75:19)

• Whether Drake could allow that, or even desires to, remains open.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On masculinity and vulnerability:

  “If you have that sort of, like, crazy—you have to have that, like, young emp, where it's like, literally, Joffrey from Game of Thrones.” – George (20:36)

• On gay and straight comedic lineages:

  “Jiminy Glick invented queer comedy.” – George (69:09)

• On generational change:

  “He's having to hang out with younger straight boys. Cause all the older straight boys are married, happy, and they go, ‘I can't do this shit with you no more.’” – Jay (58:09)

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Important Timestamps

| Segment/Event | Timestamp (MM:SS) | |---|---| | Episode & guest intro, visual artists vs. thirst traps | 03:16–04:09 | | Pokemon as gay culture | 04:30–06:51 | | Super Smash Bros., alienation, winner’s guilt | 09:26–10:44 | | Comedy’s cult status—White Chicks, Booksmart | 13:45–15:39 | | Bad wigs, meme culture in TV/film | 15:41–16:39 | | Difficult celebrities, empathy, Nicki Minaj stories | 22:18–23:20 | | Pet charities as a (right-wing?) signifier | 27:05–28:05 | | "Straight Shooters" rapid-fire game | 33:10–36:46 | | Drake as "straightest living musician", thesis begins | 38:48 | | Sports gambling & performative masculinity | 41:08 | | Drake's posting style and abs photo | 41:41–42:54 | | Drake and the Megan Thee Stallion controversy | 44:42–49:37 | | Kendrick Lamar beef & colorism | 50:41–54:51 | | Discussion of Drake's possible acting “redemption” | 73:55–76:14 | | Shout outs: Jay’s boots, Sam's club sandwich, youth outside | 80:24–86:53 |

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Final Segments

Shout Outs

[80:24–89:00]

• Hosts and Jay share riffy, affectionate shout outs to boots, club sandwiches, and young people in NYC who are “keeping annoying 18 year old culture alive” by being outside.

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Tone & Style Highlights

• Intellectual but playful: The hosts and Jay mix high-level cultural critique and psychoanalysis with sharp, silly banter—never losing the original, irreverent tone.
• Personal anecdotes: Frequent memoir-like stories ground the themes (“when I was too good at Smash,” “moving from San Francisco to Boston and missing good carnitas”, Jay’s Toronto Drake sighting).
• Queer lens on straight culture: The episode questions received masculinity, highlights how queer men often become experts on “boy” behaviors, and how that gives them unique analytical tools.

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Wrap-Up

Bottom Line:
Jay Jurden’s Drake thesis—Drake is "the straightest musician alive" because he performs for boys, not girls—opens up wide-ranging discussions on masculinity, reputation, pop culture, and generational anxieties. The episode is a rich, freewheeling ride through comedic, musical, and sociopolitical territory, sparkling with quotable lines and insight into why Drake fascinates, infuriates, and ultimately embodies the contradictions of American straight boyhood.

Essential Listen For:
Anyone interested in modern masculinity, pop music, queer analysis of straight culture, and the Drake–Kendrick beef—all with a hefty serving of clever, sparkling comedy.

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Key Takeaway Quotes

• “Drake is straight. And more importantly, Drake does things for straight boys.” – Jay (38:48)
• "He cares about his reputation among men...It's very straight in the sense that it's homosocial." – Jay (44:00)
• “He's having to hang out with younger straight boys. ... That older guy's in the minority now.” – Jay (58:09)
• “Drake does take risks, but then...adds a little bit of misogyny.” – George (71:05)
• “You want to see him do pratfalls...Only a person who's, like, kind of secure could do that.” – Jay (75:19)

Transcript

[Jay Jordan]

This is an iHeart podcast, Guaranteed Human.

[Amir Kassam]

This financial literacy month. We are talking about the one investment most people ignore. Building a business around the life you actually want.

[Joe Hoff]

It was just us making happen whatever he said was going to happen. And then it happened.

[Amir Kassam]

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[Iris Palmer]

At the end of my life, what am I really going to care about? And the conclusion I came to is what I did to make the world a better place in whatever way.

[Amir Kassam]

Listen to those amigos on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Jay Jordan]

Then she says, have you seen a photo of my son?

[Aaliyah]

And I'm like, who is this person?

[Boys and Girls Podcast Host]

Welcome to the boys and girls podcast. Arranged marriage is basically a reality show, and you're auditioning for your soulmate. And who's judging? Only your entire family. I sacrificed myself to this ancient tradition, hoping to find love the right way. And instead, I found chaos, comedy, and a lot of cringe. Listen to boys and Girls on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jay Jordan]

How much you weigh, Wanda? Right Now I'm about 130. I'm like, 183. We should race. No, I want to leave here with my original hips.

[Aaliyah]

On the podcast, the Matchup with Aaliyah, I pair prominent female athletes with unexpected guests. On a recent episode, I sat down with Undisputed boxing champ Clarissa Shields and comedian Wanda Sykes to talk about Wanda's new movie, the Art of Trash Talk and what it really means to be ladylike. Open your free iHeartRadio app, search the Matchup with Aaliyah, and listen now.

[Jay Jordan]

Brought to you by Novartis, founding partner

[Amir Kassam]

of iHeart Women's Sports Network.

[Amy Robach]

Hey, I'm Dr. Maya Shankar, a cognitive scientist and host of the podcast A Slight Change of Plans, a show about who we are and who we become when life makes other plans.

[Aaliyah]

I wish that I hadn't resisted for

[Jay Jordan]

so long the need to change.

[George Severis]

We have to be willing to live with a kind of uncertainty that none of us likes. You can have opinions.

[Jay Jordan]

You can have, like, a strong stance. Then there's your body having its own program.

[Amy Robach]

Listen to A Slight Change of plans on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Sam Taggart]

Hey, it's Sam with a quick little show announcement. As you may know, I've been running my hour trying to, you know, really figure it out, and so I've Been doing it in New York and la, and all those dates have sold out. So I've decided to add one more New York date and one more LA date. So in New York, I'll be at Union hall on May 3rd. That's a Sunday. And then in LA, I will be at Lyric Hyperion on May 14th. That's a Thursday. So I would simply love to see you there. I've been really having a good time doing this, and I appreciate you guys coming out and making me not look like a fucking idiot. Okay, Enjoy the episode. Bye. Podcast starts now. What is up, everyone around the globe? You're listening to Stradio Lab. And we were just talking about this thing. I almost want to just, like, start talking because we're actually in an amazing flow state.

[George Severis]

Okay.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, we were talking about the thing.

[Jay Jordan]

Just go.

[Sam Taggart]

My favorite thing that gay guys do. First of all, please welcome our guest, Jay Jordan.

[George Severis]

Shout out.

[Jay Jordan]

Jay Jordan. This is not about. We weren't talking about it. No, sorry.

[Sam Taggart]

That makes it seem like it is.

[George Severis]

His special yes, Ma' am is streaming on Hulu.

[Sam Taggart]

I just wanted you to be able to talk because you were allowed to speak before and now you weren't, and it didn't feel right.

[George Severis]

Yeah, usually we do an intro and then bring in a guest, but we cannot.

[Jay Jordan]

No, but we've all seen the podcast and heard the podcast where you go, y' all have been talking for 20 minutes. Who's this person giggling in the background? There's a third laugh.

[Sam Taggart]

There's a third laugh. And so we were talking about this thing. That is my favorite type of crash out is when a gay guy who posts almost all the time, very sexy pics of themselves also has, like, specifically, I like it when they have a visual art career.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

And they then are like, they post the visual art and then they get mad. Cause it only gets 150 likes.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

And they'll post the stories being like, so when I post my body, it gets 2000 likes, and when I post my art, it only gets 150 likes.

[Jay Jordan]

This is what's wrong with our community. And, Sam, the art is always a collage. It's always a collage that looks like a ransom letter. I go, that's definitely the O from a Vogue magazine.

[Sam Taggart]

And there's, like, references to, like, Pokemon somewhere in there.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Pokemon. My husband was playing Pokemon Pacopia this morning, and I played Pokemon Za last night. Pokemon. Fully gay.

[Sam Taggart]

Fully gay.

[Jay Jordan]

So gay now that when gay guys don't know about Pokemon, it was like, When. That period of time when someone be like, you don't know your star signs. That's what Pokemon feels like to me.

[Sam Taggart]

This is tough.

[Jay Jordan]

Are you not.

[Sam Taggart]

Are y'.

[Jay Jordan]

All. Y' all not. Are y' all not trainers?

[Sam Taggart]

I was.

[Jay Jordan]

You were a Pokemon trainer.

[Sam Taggart]

I was deep into it. Pokemon, the franchise. And sorry to alienate George. He does not know anything about this.

[Jay Jordan]

Well, because George has books he gotta read.

[George Severis]

Oh, my God.

[Jay Jordan]

I knew.

[George Severis]

I knew it was gonna. I knew that was gonna be the angle. No.

[Jay Jordan]

And books to write.

[George Severis]

He's too busy being. Actually, even worse. It's like. No, it's even worse. It's like, when other people are playing video games, I'm just scrolling Instagram. Like, because everyone has the time that they're doing something kind of, like, mindless and sort of passive. And I. You know, my hobby. My, like, mindless hobbies are basically just scrolling the Internet. Like, it's. It's. Or it's like, learning about a sort of argument that is happening outside of my world and being like, okay, got it. So someone wrote something that shades this drag queen, and then she said this on a podcast. And then I will spend, like, 45 minutes learning that that time I could be using training Pokemon. And that's different than my reading time or than my theater time. So I wish I was training Pokemon.

[Jay Jordan]

You're allotted reading in theater time.

[George Severis]

Okay, go on.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, I felt, like, wronged by the franchise because they kept doing, like, it kept not improving. I felt like, whoa. And then I'd play it, and I'd be like, honestly, I'm kind of bored. And I would finish, but I'd be like, this is kind of boring. And so then I was, of course, curious with Pocopoeia, but I'm almost trying to be like, what if I skip this one?

[Jay Jordan]

Okay.

[Sam Taggart]

Also, it's specifically, like, a grocery store. Like, it's like you're, like, doing. You're, like, going grocery shopping the game.

[Jay Jordan]

And I'm like, grocery store.

[Sam Taggart]

There's certain games that I just call, like, running errands of the games.

[Jay Jordan]

It's Animal Crossing. So I.

[George Severis]

You're saying you're talking about the Pokemon franchise. I'm asking this with no judgment. This sentence we've ever. So over the last 20 years, you have been keeping up with Pokemon games and playing them as they come out.

[Sam Taggart]

Correct.

[George Severis]

That is so foreign to me. Like, Pokemon is something that. I remember the card game when I was in second and third grade. I have not thought about it since then, and I remember actually crying in the Pokemon movie where when the clones fought each other, I was like, this is the most meaningful. The only other thing that made me cry at that age was I am Samsaring Sean Penn. Which do not, do not, do not check out now because it has not aged well. But specifically I cried at Michelle Pfeiffer going through a divorce, not at Sean Penn losing custody of his d.

[Jay Jordan]

The

[George Severis]

entire movie is about like, it's the harrowing story of Sean Penn losing custody of his daughter. And it's like about how he is being. There's prejudice against him. Whatever. The moment I cry is when Michelle Pfeiffer is getting a divorce.

[Jay Jordan]

Got it.

[George Severis]

Because her husband is cheating on her. Okay.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah. So that sparked the same sort of emotional.

[George Severis]

Yes. As the two Charmanders fighting each other.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah. Which kind. Those two Pokemon fighting that are clones of each other. That's kind of what we were talking about at the beginning, which is gay guys getting mad at other gay guys for not liking their art projects and liking their.

[George Severis]

Well, gay guys are kind of like the last form of Pokemon.

[Jay Jordan]

Every Giga does think he is a Pokemon that is going to evolve. Like every guy thinks they have a three stage evolution.

[George Severis]

Yes.

[Jay Jordan]

And sometimes it's just two stages and sometimes you don't.

[George Severis]

You're just squirtle.

[Jay Jordan]

Often they don't get to go anywhere. There may be new forms, maybe a different regional form, but maybe they learn a new attack. Yeah. Yes.

[George Severis]

I love when a gay guy learns a new attack.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah. I've been, I've been very invested in Pokemon only because I kind of went away for a long time. So I've had. I've had the opposite experience that Sam had. So I went away. I said, I'm not touching it. And then, you know, had a little bit of time. I'll say it. Also a little bit disposable income.

[George Severis]

And now I can Pokemon go to the store.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah, I can Pokemon go to the Nintendo store online and buy it. But I also bought a Dragon Ball Z video game. So it's. It's still very like, I bro coded. Well.

[Sam Taggart]

And the thing is, like, video games are like the true, the one true unproductive thing one can do.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Like if I'm like watching a TV show now, I'm like, okay, well this will be good to be able to talk about on the podcast or like if I'm like going to see a movie and like this will be helpful to like have conversations.

[Jay Jordan]

Well, no, if you're playing Final Fantasy, you can talk with Bowen that's true, that's true, that's true. If you're playing Pecopia, you can talk with Bowen. There's very specific places you can go to discuss that stuff. But as far as, like, big picture, it is, you know, it is hard.

[Sam Taggart]

And honestly, I found some alienation in the sense that I got too good at Super Smash Bros. Wow.

[George Severis]

Oh, my God. So then people stopped inviting you?

[Sam Taggart]

People got mad at me.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah. Well, do you gloat?

[Sam Taggart]

No. I'm the most humble and respectful winner.

[Jay Jordan]

That's even worse if you're a quiet winner who's like, that's crazy.

[Sam Taggart]

We had a time on Fire island where everyone was like, playful, like, hahaha, let's play Super Smash Bros. And I was like, I don't want to. Because, like, I. This is like something. It's like a drug to me. It's like, so addictive. And I honestly have kind of sworn it off because I, like, played for hours and hours and hours for years and years and years.

[Jay Jordan]

Sam, you are the living embodiment of this. The T shirt people used to get at the fair that said, dick too big might kill somebody. That's. That's you on Smash, bro. I would love to, but I can't, I can't. Everyone's going to be mad.

[Sam Taggart]

We played and I won.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Like, every single time.

[Jay Jordan]

List the people you beat.

[George Severis]

Oh, my God. It's a real who's who of Brooklyn old comedy. Many of them have credits you wouldn't believe.

[Jay Jordan]

List of people you beat.

[George Severis]

Some of them know Ariana Grande

[Jay Jordan]

or Chris.

[Sam Taggart]

And I was even, like, using, like, different characters. I don't know what to play with.

[Jay Jordan]

You go, I wasn't even using my

[Sam Taggart]

mane like it was. And to the. And then we ended after like, maybe a half hour, and everyone was like, fully in a bad mood then. And I was like, I told you. And then, like, years later, I was going back and somebody was like, I'm bringing my switch. We can play Smash again. And I was like, we are not doing this again. We are not doing.

[Jay Jordan]

They have a code word for Sam in a different group chat. They're like, fucking Bowser Jr. Over here.

[George Severis]

It's. It weirds me out when you have elements of your life that I have no connection.

[Jay Jordan]

I love you.

[George Severis]

Like, so you are just like, I know that Sam is playing video games, like, consistently, and I have no idea. I have no idea what any of them are, what his tastes are, because it is a world I'm not familiar with at all. Like, I wouldn't even be able to tell you. Like, are Sam's taste in video games good? Are they, like, sophisticated? Are they, like, populist? I don't know.

[Jay Jordan]

What's a game that, you know, that you think Sam plays outside of the ones we've listed already? It is.

[George Severis]

So I literally know nothing. It is like. It is like I. My references are, like, things I remember from when I was.

[Jay Jordan]

I'm gonna say it and he's gonna shoot me. It's all Greek to me.

[George Severis]

I have.

[Jay Jordan]

He's not going to like it, but

[George Severis]

I have a memory of when I was a kid and when we lived in New Jersey already. I felt very foreign, and I was just like. I always, like, said the wrong thing. And there was some kids were coming over and they were like, we should play video games. And I didn't know anything about video games, but I had heard of the video game Zelda.

[Jay Jordan]

Okay.

[George Severis]

And that was the one I knew. And I was like. I was like, oh, what if we play Zelda? And so then the kid goes, maybe a multiplayer one. I was like, I said the wrong thing. Like, that's not for multiplayer.

[Jay Jordan]

But that.

[George Severis]

And that's like a real poor memory. Yeah, that's a real core memory already. I'm like, my parents are four and I'm like, whatever. And. And that was such a core memory where I was like, damn. I couldn't even suggest the right video.

[Sam Taggart]

That's really tough because at that age, it really was how you, like, communicated.

[George Severis]

I know.

[Jay Jordan]

Oh, it was that.

[George Severis]

And I actually then later on, I have another memory of. I really loved the movie White Chicks. And I.

[Jay Jordan]

I know you have good taste.

[George Severis]

Thank you. But then I may. I made this group of boys watch White Chicks and none of them liked it.

[Jay Jordan]

Well, your friends were racist.

[George Severis]

Now, that's an interesting point. I get that could go either way. It's like, did they not like it because they were racist or they not like it because the mov is racist?

[Jay Jordan]

No, I'm joking. I think there was a. I think the cultural. The cultural take. The overwhelming cultural take on white chicks at first was kind of silly urban comedy. And then it, like. It, like, snowball effect and became so huge. And now everyone's like, that's pretty funny. That's. Oh, wait a second. That's actually really funny. And now it's kind of reached this TikTok level where it's always, like, in one of the scrolls or something from it.

[George Severis]

Sure.

[Jay Jordan]

And, like, people still use audio from it in so many videos. The minute there's like a white person doing anything. They use the Terry Crews. Careful, white chocolate. You might melt. Like, audio.

[George Severis]

I mean, it's iconic.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah. It's also people.

[George Severis]

Regardless of whether it's funny or not or whether it's, like, in good taste or not, what bothers me is when people don't recognize the talent that goes into it.

[Jay Jordan]

Oh, yeah.

[George Severis]

It's like the level of comedic performance happening in that movie is better than anything. Winning the Golden Globe for best comedy, like, it's just like, yeah, whatever. We can't get.

[Jay Jordan]

Anyway. Wow. I have nothing to say about. I think only because there was an award show last night when, per this. I think that, like, comedy opinions shift in a way that, like, drama opinions don't, like, over time. And not just from a cult classic standpoint, but just people go, oh, this is, like, really, really good. Even now, people. I still see people online who. Who go, wait a minute. I kind of like Booksmart. I go, yeah, of course. Like, so people watch these things, and I think it changes. It's. Right now, when it comes to comedy, I'm always like, oh, well, it could be a comedy that's, like, really good for clips. It could be a comedy that's really good for, like, elevating an already established star. It could be a comedy that's good for making us remember this person can still be funny. It's a comedy that's like, comedies are expected to do so many things, whereas, like, a good dramatic story is just kind of like, that's an amazing story. That's a visionary director. That's an amazing actress. An amazing actress that's. Oh, my God. Supporting actor, Carrie, the whole movie. Whereas comedy's kind of serve as these, like, Swiss army knives.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Well, I'm glad you brought up comedy that's meant for clips because I'm seeing that more and more.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah, right.

[George Severis]

It's like sometimes, like, a TV show or a movie or whatever. It's like, it's. You can tell that it was made so that this clip will be. I even think they're purposely making wigs worse so that.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, that's a big conspiracy,

[George Severis]

but. Oh, we have covered this.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, we have.

[George Severis]

I just.

[Jay Jordan]

Wigs are getting so bad, so people go, that wig's terrible.

[Sam Taggart]

People tweet about it so that then people are talking about the show or,

[Jay Jordan]

like, post about it, or they just, like, everything's rushed.

[George Severis]

Have you seen the new. Have you seen any clips from the Unicole Kidman show?

[Jay Jordan]

No. Is that what she's promoting? Right now, yeah, it's.

[George Severis]

I think she plays detective or something, but Jamie Lee Curtis is in it. And they. They give her a look that's like. You know, when the look is white trash like that, you know, it's like what they did with Glenn Close and Hillbilly Elegy. Like, there's a specific look, and they made Jamie Lee Curtis look intentionally funny and ridiculous so that people would be like, look at this bitch.

[Jay Jordan]

Okay.

[Iris Palmer]

Yeah.

[Jay Jordan]

The memification of Glenn Close in Hillbilly Elegy in the Mamaw shirt, the big pink shirt in the kitchen. The Internet. We're just gonna take this stuff in a vacuum and go, terrible movie. You shouldn't give up your kids for Percocets. But look at Grandma.

[George Severis]

Yeah. Or. Well, you know, we saw how that turned out.

[Jay Jordan]

To me, you should. Yeah. Give that kid up. If the kid is. If the vibes are that bad that early. Mama Vance, go ahead.

[George Severis]

And I know justice for Mama Vance.

[Jay Jordan]

The first woman to be like, I don't like this fucker.

[George Severis]

No.

[Sam Taggart]

I've got to get fucked up to deal with him.

[George Severis]

When do you think we're going to have. Because we're overdue for, like, Amy Adams or Glenn Close to actually grapple with that decision?

[Jay Jordan]

To have.

[George Severis]

Like, to have to be, you know, Amy Adams, especially, who I love but does need a win. Like, there needs to be a press tour where she, like, grapples with the fact that she agreed to do that movie thinking it was like an inspirational story.

[Jay Jordan]

Well, the governor of Kentucky, Andy Brashear, right now, he talks about how much he hates it and how much he hates that. J.D. vance kind of plays on the fact that he says he's a hillbilly. He says he's from this kind of, like, poor, white, rural background, but he does everything against them when it comes to his policies. So I think that politicians from Kentucky, like, have a vested interest in the Ohio, Kentucky, West Virginia area. They can, like, talk about it. Amy Adams, I don't know if I want to hear her talk about it. Sure. You know, just because, like, what if. What if she says, I can't wait to talk about it, and then you go, oh, you got it wrong.

[George Severis]

That would be crazy if she turned out to be right wing. If she was like, I'm really happy that we could. That we could have uplifted.

[Sam Taggart]

This is a great point. We don't want to talk about it because this kind of did. Did this keeps happening where it was like, J.D. vance, like, when this book came out, it was like, Nobody knows what his deal is. But look, a guy was from.

[George Severis]

I mean, Obama loved it.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. And it was like this big thing,

[Jay Jordan]

and Obama's done nothing wrong ever. Exactly.

[George Severis]

Get him back in the White House.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

It also happened with, like, Elon Musk, where it's like, oh, look at this cool guy who makes weird.

[Jay Jordan]

You're making.

[Sam Taggart]

And then the moment he goes like, actually, I want to speak on it, it's like, no.

[Jay Jordan]

Well, because Elon Musk and J.D. vance, if not for, like, whatever ambitions they had past the station that they had kind of, like, set for themselves, they would have been annoying. But fine. There's a world where Elon Musk dies, and he's that weird dude who was obsessed with electric vehicles and, like, having more kids, and that was it. Yeah. And maybe we knew he was weird and South African evil emerald mind money, and his dad fucked and impregnated his stepsister. Like, we knew he was fucked up, but it wasn't to this degree.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jay Jordan]

I think there's also a world where we go, JD mask. Kind of annoying. Yeah. But that's it. That's all. It is. Wild that they chose to keep going.

[Sam Taggart]

It is like, don't you have enough?

[Jay Jordan]

Not only don't you have enough, you knew you were crazy when you were down here. You knew. And people around you knew, and they said, keep going. Yes, you knew. You knew.

[George Severis]

Well, and not just that, but structurally, every door opened for them at every point. Like, Elon Musk. Every government was like, oh, my God, of course. We would love to have a government contract with you.

[Jay Jordan]

Have y' all had that? Have y' all ever had that experience, like, in. I guess, in our industry, we all haven't seen it where, like, you see someone early.

[George Severis]

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

[Jay Jordan]

You go that crazy. Hey, everyone. Everyone, everyone I know. We had a good time on the show. Great show. That motherfucker's crazy. Do not let them amass any more power. They. They're crazy.

[George Severis]

Completely.

[Jay Jordan]

They're bad at what they do, whatever, but they're crazy. And no one listens to you. And then in 2026, we all go, I told y'. All. I told y'.

[Sam Taggart]

All, this is. You're freaking me out because this is. This happens is happening and will happen more. Like, there are people where I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. If they ever have power, they will kill someone.

[George Severis]

But that's also by design, because the crazy people are the ones who do keep going, even when they're told no. Even when, like, it's not a coincidence. It's like. You're right. Yes. If you have that sort of, like, crazy. You have to have that, like, young emp, where it's like, literally, Joffrey from Game of Thrones. Like, you have to be like, I will do everything in my power to ascend to the top. And then, by the way, our industry, in terms of, like, the gate. Gatekeepers, most of them are, like, stupid. So it's like they're just kind of like, oh, look, this guy seems confident and he has three scripts. Like, let's go.

[Jay Jordan]

Oh, my God. I'm literally. Because right now, whenever I see someone in the. In, like, the ether, the kind of like whatever. The super float, whatever's going on on the Internet, you'll just see. I'll be like, okay. Have I ever had an interaction with them where, like, something crazy happened? Then if it wasn't me, I go, do I know anyone who's ever told me that they're a piece of shit? And I literally, this week can think of two different people. One of whom you've interacted with and the person. When you and a different person, they both. They said, just so you know, this motherfucker is horrible to work with. Terrible downset, crazy as shit, Bad, bad vibes. And whenever that those kind of people have a bunch of, like, shit going on, I'm always like, I know, wait,

[Sam Taggart]

I want to know who it is.

[George Severis]

And they're leaving a trail of destruction. Like, at any given point, that person is making five people cry.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah. Like a day.

[George Severis]

Just crazy.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Do you ever think it's low self confidence to not make people cry? No.

[George Severis]

Is. Is empathy, like, a flaw?

[Sam Taggart]

Yes. And as I'm like, wait, I'm too grateful.

[Jay Jordan]

No, no. But because I think there's like a. You really have to not care about anything if, like, your job is to, like, make it so intense that a person cries. But then, so. Because if they cry, all you can do is be like, I won by the way you're crying. You still have to do that thing I told you to do. Right? Because the crying is like, please stop. I heard you. Like, I will try to handle it. And the crying wastes my time. That sounds mean, but, like, it does. Like, I've. I mean, we can say it now. Cause she's crazy. But, like, I've heard two different horror stories about Nicki Minaj. One time from an intern at Colbert who said, like, they made Nicki Minaj, made them go run around the city looking for a very specific Candy. It came. Came back to the dressing room, green room area with the candy. And Nicki Minaj was mad it took them so long to get it and was like, I don't even want it now. And they're, like, crying because Nicki Minaj is like that. Like, she does stuff like that.

[George Severis]

I mean, I've heard stories about Nikki, like, fully, like, physical violence, like, just like on a set. I've heard stories about her being literally 12 hours late to a photo shoot, which is honestly kind of iconic, but

[Jay Jordan]

she had 12 hours is funny. That's what.

[George Severis]

Honestly, two hours is rude. 12 hours is funny.

[Jay Jordan]

12 hours. I go, oh, so was it in Thailand? What. Like, what is. If that's the case, I know there's something. 12 hours.

[George Severis]

Nikki, someone who I understand now, it's like, okay, she's beyond the pale. I. I'm not going to be defending her. But before this latest chapter, like, a year ago, I would. I would still be like, yeah, but.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah, well, this is the. If you have any good art, if you make. If you make. If your art is 51% good, I know you can be.

[George Severis]

And I just were at that age where, like, when Nikki was ascending, that was, like, such a formidable time. And, like, those early years.

[Jay Jordan]

And it's tied to what we want to talk about today is because from a queer perspective, she was the only approximation that we had in a rap space where, like, there was nothing. There was nothing for any little gay boys. There was nothing for people who wanted to hear a woman. There was nothing. And then she showed up and everyone was like, oh, my God, thank you so much. It's been years since Lil Kim. It's been years since Foxy Brown. We haven't found it consistent. It's been years since Eve. We haven't found the girl, and she was the girl. And Wayne gave her the approval, and Kanye gave her the approval, and she had this wonderful, like, camp around her, and she did that. It's funny that she was 12 hours late to that photo shoot because she did the mtv. What was that? The MTV Diary episode? Was it, like, where she was like a human being? The pickle juice in the wig, in the Bride of Frankenstein pink joint, when she was like. And you go, nikki, you're right. You should demand more. They can't call you a bitch for having demands and for having rules and for wanting this to be a professional photo shoot. You're 100% right, Onika. I'm sorry we failed you. But now we found out she was a day late

[George Severis]

no, it's so awkward when. Well, it's like the Katherine Heigl situation, like, you reclaim. You're like, this woman has been treated unfairly by the media. And then you find out, wait, she actually. She actually is a nightmare.

[Sam Taggart]

Can you remind me what Katherine Heigl did?

[George Severis]

This is like more of. I'm sort of saying it jokingly, but

[Jay Jordan]

like, Katherine Heigl and. Oh, and. Yeah.

[George Severis]

Oh, yeah. Katherine Heigl was sort of like, famously, like, on Great. Like, she, like, had a falling out with Shonda Rhymes after Grey's Anatomy and then said that her character said in an interview that her character knocked up was, like, misogynistic or something. And, you know, the narrative is like, she's not grateful enough, blah, blah, blah. And she is, in fact, a very. I think she's a good actress. And I think it's sort of sad that she, like, you know, had to take, like, 10 years off, basically. But then recently, the recent thing I saw was that she attended some sort of, like, pet charity event at Mar a Lago, and then her comment on it was like, well, pets have no politics.

[Jay Jordan]

Where's. Here's the hard part in a vacuum. Very funny to be like, that dog can't vote.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Jay Jordan]

You think that dog voted for this man? Nah.

[George Severis]

It's also a classic celebrity thing of being like, wow. Well, I guess hate is targeted at me again, like, just because I care about dogs.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, it's also just such a Republican sentence.

[Jay Jordan]

Well, sometimes I mean, I Republican because it's such a distraction.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Jay Jordan]

They go, would you wait a second? You went to Mar a Lago? No, I didn't go. My dog went.

[Sam Taggart]

He was supposed to fly alone. I'm not accusing the dog of being Republican.

[George Severis]

I go so far as to say, and please don't get mad at me if you're a dog or pet person. When I hear that someone's passion is a pet charity, okay? I'm like, so you're right wing.

[Jay Jordan]

Okay?

[George Severis]

Because if you weren't, your charity would be something. You would be like the aclu. Like, you're choosing the thing, okay? You're choosing the. The cause that is not political.

[Sam Taggart]

It's a non.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah, you know what? I'm gonna say something that is more controversial. Uh, oh, that's. That's how I know you're Greece as you go. These fucking animals. I do not care about that dog more than I care about a person that is a very non. White Americans. Pets again.

[George Severis]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Jay Jordan]

No, it's true. Every other person who Isn't a white American. That includes, like, black people, any immigrants in this country, Anyone who isn't like a WASPy American circa, like, you know, the past 50 years, they go, that dog. That dog bit my son. Kill the dog.

[George Severis]

No, it is.

[Jay Jordan]

Right.

[George Severis]

I'm like, the thing is those people are so vicious. And I'm literally like, don't. I love dogs.

[Sam Taggart]

It's more like where they put their, like, public image because.

[Jay Jordan]

And where they put their money. Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

And their money.

[George Severis]

It's not just that. It's also something where. For pet people. And again, I love pets for pet people.

[Jay Jordan]

It's like.

[George Severis]

It is like. It is a red line. It's like if you suddenly say a slur or something and someone is like, well, don't joke about that. Like, when you bring up. Let's say, you know, it's like arguments around, like. Well, dog owners in New York can be annoying because they, you know, have their dog off, whatever.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Dog people cannot even deal with any sort of criticism around that.

[Sam Taggart]

I will say, speaking as a dog owner, I there. I also will say there is a type of person who is a dog hater.

[George Severis]

See, he's getting defensive. This is what I'm talking about.

[Jay Jordan]

No, I see these people.

[Sam Taggart]

There's a certain type that, like, once. It's like a mental illness, like, completely. You, like, start to blame everything on, like, dog owners writ large and. Yeah, no, you, like, some people are bad and some people are good.

[Jay Jordan]

I think this is good for y' all to talk about. I think this is good for you. But.

[George Severis]

But I think we're both. It's the two sides of the same coin, which is like, for some reason, pet ownership is this, like, third rail issue. When you would think it's such a. Like, nothing. It's like, yeah, everyone loves pets. Like, some people are more passionate, some people aren't. You would think it's not a controversial issue. And yet you can't say the word dog on the Internet without someone, like, coming in and giving you death wish.

[Jay Jordan]

Well, because pets and dogs, more importantly, can't talk. And so people go, Exactly. I'm speaking up for the voiceless.

[George Severis]

Yes, completely.

[Jay Jordan]

They can't speak.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, yeah, I am going to Mar a Lago.

[Jay Jordan]

They can't vote. Okay. They can't vote. They can't get the ear of the president.

[Sam Taggart]

They can't vote. But they can hear very well and smell really good.

[George Severis]

Katherine Heigl is committing voter fraud and voting on behalf of every dog in Florida.

[Jay Jordan]

That's funny.

[George Severis]

She should get Two. Yeah, she should get to it.

[Jay Jordan]

Oh, my God.

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[Sam Taggart]

Should we do our first segment?

[George Severis]

Yes, let's do our first segment so we can get into the topic.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay, Jay, our first segment is called Straight Shooters. And in this segment we're going to ask you a series of rapid fire questions.

[Jay Jordan]

Got it?

[Sam Taggart]

It's basically this thing or this. And the only rule is you can't ask any follow up questions or we will scream at you.

[Jay Jordan]

Okay, one thing about me as a narcissist. Follow up questions. Not gonna happen.

[George Severis]

Serving cunt or Helen Hunt?

[Jay Jordan]

Serving cunt.

[Sam Taggart]

Sashay away or Cafe au lait?

[Jay Jordan]

Cafe au lait.

[George Severis]

Barry's Boot Camp or Harry Nutsack?

[Jay Jordan]

Harry Nutsack.

[Sam Taggart]

Yabba dabba doo or Maya Angelou?

[Jay Jordan]

Yabba dabba do. No, Maya Angelou.

[George Severis]

I was. Crazy choice

[Jay Jordan]

and I said it with passion.

[George Severis]

Yeah, you were. You're like, don't know Maya.

[Jay Jordan]

Wait a second, she's still talking about that bird in that cage. Absolutely not. It's a living. No Maya Angelou.

[George Severis]

Okay. Calling Mexico City CDMX or falling head over titties Back in love with your ex?

[Jay Jordan]

I love rhymes.

[George Severis]

So do we.

[Jay Jordan]

Can you tell calling Mexico City CDMX

[Sam Taggart]

a blessing in disguise or a blowy from your guy?

[Jay Jordan]

Oh, but as mismo. Both. A blowy from my guys.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, that's.

[George Severis]

Oh, well, it sounds so wholesome when you say it.

[Jay Jordan]

That really sounds wholesome because a blowy is just.

[George Severis]

Yeah, I do love the idea. Imagine actually having sex and being like, do you want a blowy that would

[Jay Jordan]

maybe want a bluey? See, this works into a theory that I have. I think that if you have a penis head is like when you give a kid an iPad at a restaurant.

[George Severis]

Totally.

[Jay Jordan]

You want Some head. Yeah, I do. Is that why you. Is that why you were frowning? Yeah. One of my friends wasn't getting laid for a long time. He started getting his dick sucked a little bit. Like, honestly, the normal amount if you live in New York City, sure. Whole mood got better.

[George Severis]

I said, yeah, well, yeah.

[Jay Jordan]

Someone finally sucked your dick a little bit.

[Sam Taggart]

I mean, it changes everything.

[George Severis]

Sometimes when you do.

[Jay Jordan]

Sometimes when you sit down, when you go through. You talked about like it was medicine. No.

[George Severis]

When you go through a dry spell and then it's. You're like, oh, I see what was wrong.

[Sam Taggart]

I'll never Forget it. Summer 2021. Worst summer of my life. I said, I got rejected three times. And I said, something happened over the pandemic. I'm completely unlovable. And then you hook up with two people and you're like, wait, I'm hot as fuck.

[Jay Jordan]

And not only that, you go, I have a zest. I have a will to live. I have stories that need to be told.

[Sam Taggart]

Exactly. Oh, my God. Also, sometimes when you're just cranky and you're like, wait, I just need to. It's so embarrassing.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah, some. But the problem is, sometimes you're cranky, and then you have sex, and then you go, I'm actually mad. I thought I was cranky.

[George Severis]

Yes.

[Jay Jordan]

No, this is worse. Yeah.

[George Severis]

And you know what's even worse than that? Realizing that midway through the sex and being like, well, I gotta finish this

[Jay Jordan]

project in the apartment. You don't. Oh, God. This. I'll say. You ever. You've been to someone's apartment, you. And, like, you kind of going through emotions, and one thing just kind of set you off. Like, you go to put something in the garbage, you open up, it's the stinkiest garbage ever. Now you go, oh, I want to go home. Yeah, I have to go home now. Flies come out. I know. Yeah.

[George Severis]

What is this lava lamp doing here?

[Sam Taggart]

When.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah, you go, I gotta leave.

[Sam Taggart]

The decor should just not be distracting. I think when it's distracting, I'm out.

[Jay Jordan]

I can. I can't even deal with, like, bad decor. I just. If I'm in a bad. I'm saying, like, if you're in a bad mood and then, like, some shit is going on in the hookup space is you just go, well, it's like

[George Severis]

if you're in a bad mood. It's like if you're hungry, you go to a restaurant, and it's suddenly, like, music's too loud. Nothing in the menu looks good. Like, then it comes and it's not good, George. I know.

[Jay Jordan]

Have you ever been hungry? This is specific. Have you ever been hungry for carnitas? And you go, I think these are gonna be good. And you get them and you go, these are soft. I don't like these. Literally, the texture on these. What do you think carnitas is? Cause I know it's not this. I've had it a lot. That'll piss me off in such a way when I go to get tacos because I should have got el pastor and I said, carnitas. Okay, that'll be tough. You get the carnitas and you go, these are soft. These are gray. Yeah, I don't like it.

[George Severis]

Let me tell you something. I moved from San Francisco to Boston.

[Jay Jordan]

Okay. Okay. So you. Okay. All right.

[George Severis]

So I know what a disappointing carnitas tastes like. And a bad hookup, literally.

[Jay Jordan]

Once again, Esmo.

[George Severis]

For my full two years living in Boston, and I kept for. I kept trying new Mexican restaurants that boss native Bostonians, often non Mexicans recommended. And I was like, how is it? Like, I couldn't believe it.

[Jay Jordan]

In New York, I'm lucky because I'm in. I'm close enough to East Harlem that, like, they have a bunch of good Mexican restaurants. People from Puebla, like, they have, like, good stuff. But once again, truly, I'll go to. I'll go to the Bay. I'll go or la. I'll go to Los Angeles, this. And I'll be like, okay. They are kind. Listen, I'm never going to push back on this. Anyone. Whenever someone has a food opinion, and then you go there and you go, y' all are right. Just, just, hey, y' all are right. I'm never going to disagree.

[George Severis]

Although, you know what? Saying there's no good Mexican food in New York is kind of like saying dog owners are overly protective of their dogs and that people will come for

[Jay Jordan]

you in the comments.

[George Severis]

And I get it. And I think. And they are right. And I can go to the good places.

[Jay Jordan]

You should go. Oh, okay. Tell me where I will go to Jackson Heights, like everyone suggests every time. So. Yeah. Well, what.

[Sam Taggart]

What's your straight topic today?

[Jay Jordan]

Oh, my straight topic. I'm just curious to get into my straight topic today. Drake is the straightest musician alive right now.

[George Severis]

This is like, this is so. I'm so literally clear my schedule because we're gonna be here for five hours.

[Sam Taggart]

Drake afraid to get into so much.

[Jay Jordan]

Drake is straight. And more importantly, Drake does things for straight boys. Yeah, boys. Drake. Drake gets girls for straight boys. To see him with Girls. Drake buys items to see what straight boys reactions will be to it. Whether it's girly shit or gosh, he bought. He bought all them purses not to give to girls, but so that the purses appreciate in value. So people could be like, he's got all these Birkins.

[George Severis]

He.

[Jay Jordan]

Drake, is he. He really is this fascinating study in straight culture right now. Even, like, his current fuck up, kind of, like, tied to straight boy. Like, he got in trouble because of the beef with Kendrick. But that started primarily because he was on a track with J. Cole, and they talked about being the big three with Kendrick. So straight boys were like, hey, straight boys love you. This. They go, you know, it's us three. And one of us went, I don't like y'. All. Kendrick said, I don't. J. Cole, Drake, I don't like y' all like that. We are not close like that. Don't include me in this shit. And I started to fight. That's some of the straightest shit ever. It'd be like, me and my boys. Everyone of the boys be like, I don't know you that well.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, I think that I hadn't even considered that. It's for, like, teenage boys, straight boys

[Jay Jordan]

and straight teenage boys, truly straight boys who are trying to present their heterosexuality in such a way. Sometimes they do gay shit so the girls laugh at them. So they can get the girls. Sometimes you make fun of a girl, I. E. Megan Thee stallion, who was attacked by a man to get the boy's attention because people or thinking you were soft. And so now you've reconciled with this man who shot this woman in the foot instead of making a good track with Megan Thee stallion. Like, it's fascinating how much straight, specifically boy culture, affects his trajectory.

[George Severis]

So it's high school. You're saying he's, like, operating with, like, a high school set of beliefs.

[Jay Jordan]

I would give him freshman year of college, but it's freshman year of college.

[Sam Taggart]

It's like, okay, the bags thing, the Perkins. This is. Everything he does is like kind of that straight thing where it's not about the aesthetic. It's like, just about, like, the numbers.

[Jay Jordan]

Yes. It's even. Even. You know how he. You know how he both makes a lot of money and loses a lot of money? Yeah. Sports gambling. Yeah. Like, and he publicly does it. He'll be like, oh, I bet a million on this. Or I publicly, like, put a bunch of money on this game. Oh, I went to this game. I wore the jersey. I went to the locker room. They Lost. I'm down, you know, however many hundred thousand dollars, I'm fine. He's very straight in the sense that, like, he. He isn't just, like, rooting for a team. He's on the team. And you go, you can't on the team.

[George Severis]

Who do you think when he posted that photo where he had abs?

[Jay Jordan]

Yes, yes, yes. Once again. Once again.

[George Severis]

Yeah, let's do a post rating.

[Sam Taggart]

Once again.

[George Severis]

Who was that for?

[Sam Taggart]

That's, like, looks matching.

[Jay Jordan]

That's four boys.

[George Severis]

Okay.

[Jay Jordan]

That's not for girls. He and I. And here's what's sad. I love Drake. I have loved Drake. I think he's a very interesting cultural figure. I think he's a very interesting rapper. I think he's a. I think he's an interesting artist. It's a this weird study of, like, you're a child performer, but you also, like, have all this music you want to make. You have this fractured existence between this, like, Toronto life with your mom that's, like, very mama's boy and child actor. And you're, like, in touch with your Jewish faith. But then you also have, like, this wayward father in Memphis. So you also love three six Mafia and Project Pat. And you also want to let people know that, like, you're dangerous and you have this, like, this really sort of, I don't know, like, once again, like, I guess, like, these two dueling factions of what you want to be. And the way you kind of quiet all the noise about, like, you're not manly enough. You go, I'm the best boy. I'm a man. I'm boy. And if you don't like it, you're not boy.

[George Severis]

But you know what? This ties back to freshman year of college because he is stuck between his old self and his new self. He's very much like. So I'm trying to shed my high school self because in college, I want to be a tough guy and I want to, like, be a real serious rapper.

[Jay Jordan]

And then I even say this, and this is, like, dipping into his personal business. And I know, let's. Once again, I'm saying this as a Drake fan. He did the straightest thing you are scared to do. Both their biggest fear and, like, their biggest goal. He had sad with someone who was a public sex worker, someone who was a porn performer. And that person got pregnant and he had the kid, and then he hit the kid. But he also, like, wanted that person to stop doing porn. So he did the thing that straight boys do where, like, gay guys, if a gay guy Hooks up with a porn star. We go, that's crazy. Yeah. Whoa. That's wild. That's crazy. That happened. Anyway, bye. Yeah, she, like, tried to hide her and the child and then was like, well, no, man, I. Isn't the idea that you're so straight you can fuck anyone completely. You fuck this. This porn lady.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, he still, like, cares about his, like, reputation. Like, he still wants to be a mama's boy.

[Jay Jordan]

Here's the thing. He doesn't care about his reputation among women. He cares about his reputation among men among these boys. Oh, yeah. It's very. It's very straight in the sense that it's homosocial. Yes.

[George Severis]

And in the sense that the women's. The women don't count as people. The women obvious feelings are objective.

[Jay Jordan]

Yes.

[George Severis]

The women's feelings are not being taken into account. He's not making decisions based on his relationships with them. They're sort of set dressing.

[Jay Jordan]

His fight with A$AP Rocky isn't about ASAP Rocky. It's about Rihanna. His fight with Nicki is about people thinking they were gonna date, and it never worked out. His fights with people publicly are always this weird mix of, like, I was supposed to fall in love with this girl. We were supposed to have it all. I've been scorned. I'm kind of. I've been wrong. It's very, you know, senior high school, freshman year, boy, where you go home. You go, man. You got. You gotta get out of this, dog. What's wrong with you? I think, hey, man, you grow.

[Sam Taggart]

I think it's honestly an interesting. Like, his North Star has always been boy, but, like, even, like, boy has changed.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Like, when he started, boy was like, pitchfork cool.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

And so he was like, I'll be pitchfork cool.

[George Severis]

Oh, yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

I'll be, like, emotional, and that'll be

[Jay Jordan]

every step of the way. He's finally attuned in a way that Timothee Chalamet has been doing for the past couple months.

[George Severis]

I literally was thinking that he's been

[Jay Jordan]

very much, I'm a boy. Y' all know I'm a boy. So he was like, oh, you know what? Me and Blake Griffin are gonna host the ESPYs on ESPN. I'm a boy. I'm a boy. I mean, this athlete. I'm boys with this athlete. And then it switched to him being like, oh, I'm actually gonna do silly stuff with Drew Ski. And then it went, oh, I'm gonna do this other video stuff with these streamers. I'm gonna make. Make fun of these girls. I'm gonna, like, be soft Republican. I'm like, all of these steps along the way. You kind of go, yeah, I get it. It's very straight in. In a sad way, but it's very straight. Yeah, yeah.

[George Severis]

It's like at any given point, he's calculating what is the median masculinity sort of point that I should be appealing

[Jay Jordan]

to and what's the biggest payoff?

[George Severis]

And what's the biggest payoff?

[Jay Jordan]

That was why? Oh, my God. Oh, shit. What was the dancey album he released right before Renaissance.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, honestly.

[Jay Jordan]

Honestly. Nevermind. And here's the thing. I was literally. You could pull it up. I was literally just listening to.

[Sam Taggart]

I love that album.

[Jay Jordan]

It's a great album. Here's the crazy part, Sam. I love that album. But he was like, oh, okay, yes. Like, I'm gonna make something kind of dancy. I'm gonna make something kind of clubby. This kind of softer boy is in right now. Like, Jacob Elordi's wearing bags. Like, okay, I get what's going on. I'm gonna do all this kind of fun, clubby stuff. I'm gonna be even kind of. This is like, you know, this is a tiny nod to, like, my gay fans and my girls, but, like, I'm gonna give them something like this. And he had to, like, in that album with, like, a very. Kind of like, very hard rap song with 21 Savage and be like, I'm not a faggot. But it was a very dancy album. Some people loved it, some people didn't like it. I liked it personally. But his. His reaction to that one afterwards, because people said, oh, this is a little bit softer than I thought. He was like, hey, shit sweet over here. And he puts out. He like, does all this kind of hyper aggressive shit afterwards. And you're like, no, Aubrey. I mean, even his name. Yeah, even his name being Aubrey fucks with him in such a way. I think I'm psychoanalyzing.

[George Severis]

Oh, I think it's absolutely true. It's like the orig sin that he has to fight is that his name is Aubrey.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, that. That album, I think it was because gays kind of liked it. He was like, no, I'm out.

[George Severis]

I'm out.

[Sam Taggart]

Like, that wasn't the intent.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah. And it was. But it's so funny because, like, you know what happens? Like, he thinks all the things. Boys gonna love this shit. Boys go eat. I can't wait for boys to eat this shit up. And then what happens? Everything that Goes mega viral because of him is usually because a girl on Tick Tock does the, you know, does the. The sound to this. If you ain't. You ain't a model if you ain't been in vogue. Like, it's like, it's one of those things where, like, he assumed it was going to be this crowd. It ended up being this crowd. And he's kind of mad because he goes, why do y' all like this? I did it for the boy.

[Sam Taggart]

Speaking of, like, as he does what boy does in each era, I'm just remembering when he was in his feminist era.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

And nice for what. And it was like, like, all these powerful women directed by a woman.

[George Severis]

Oh, my God, I forgot about that.

[Jay Jordan]

Isn't that crazy?

[Sam Taggart]

That's crazy to think about now once again.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

There's no backbone. There is no Hillary boys.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah, yeah. But it is. It is such a. As a. As a fan of him, I do like to see where he's headed. But it gets very frustrating, specifically with the Megan Thee and stuff because, like, he had, like, just one. He had one reference. I think it was on Circle Loco. Like, it's a song with this really cool sample from Daft Punk. One more time. And it's a great song. And he has this one kind of offhanded line about Megan Thee stallion getting shot. And it's not. He definitely constructs it. So it's not a direct jab, but it's so transparent. You go, man, God damn it. You did this because the boys are shitting on Megan because she is the reason Torey is in trouble. But Torey shot. There's no reason for you to defend Megan when you don't even like Tory Lanez. You and Tory Lanez dislike each other on some boy shit.

[Sam Taggart]

It's like when, like, someone gets transphobic just because they're like, well, I want this side to like me now.

[Jay Jordan]

Well, I'm glad you've seen my new hour. I think

[George Severis]

I want to get into the Kendrick beef a little bit because I think in terms of. In terms of straight masculinity is such a fascinating case study because, oh, Kendrick is like, you know, Kendrick is like a sort of like, little guy who also is respected by the sort of quote unquote, establishment. Like, he literally has won a Pulitzer. You know, it's not like, you know, these two, like, rugged, like, eight foot tall, masculine guys that are, like, you know, threatening. It's not like when Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos are threatening. And I find it very Interesting the way that the entire world seemingly, who. Who used to love Drake at some point was like, and now he is Persona non grata. We're all gonna like, sing along at the super bowl to this. It's like, what is going on there?

[Jay Jordan]

I'm gonna ruin a bit of the fun. Part of the reason why Drake is feminized and part of the reason why Kendrick is masculinized is like racism and colorism. Specifically because the argument is that because Drake is biracial and people do associate softness and femininity with white womanhood, Kendrick was sort of cast basically as this figure that was more masculine than Drake because Kendrick is darker. Kendrick is a monoracial African American. And so that was part of the argument, which is like a tough thing to suss out. Because if you're just calling Drake feminine because he's a light skinned, biracial black man, then like, vis a vis that every dark skinned black woman is masking a lot is masculinized by this, like, kind of rhetoric. So that's like, hard when you see it happen and you go, oh, you. Hey, hey. You can, you can say you think Drake is dishonest and not genuine about, like, his rough upbringing or whatever without being like, oh, he's just a sissy because he's light skinned. Because that plays into like a horrible thing. But then to see everyone turn on Drake, who was a Drake fan, that's like a cultural. That's like a very specific American thing where a lot of people in the US Were like, wait a second, I don't like him.

[George Severis]

And you know what? That is also similar to the Timothee Chalamet thing. So everyone is so fickle. And I'm not even expressing my own opinion about any of this.

[Jay Jordan]

Right.

[George Severis]

I'm just observing, like, Timothee Chalamet, who was like, America's sweetheart.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

So everyone is. Everyone is so ready to, like, abandon.

[Jay Jordan]

I saw him get groomed by Armie Hammer. I thought that is. Is the sweetest boy.

[George Severis]

He's like. I mean, he was truly like the new movie star. And people were just waiting for. They're like, oh, something about the opera. Sure.

[Jay Jordan]

Kill him. Yeah, that was.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, that was bad.

[Jay Jordan]

Well, yeah. And that was from 2019, right?

[George Severis]

No, so I know what you're. Yeah. So there was a separate clip from 2019 where he also mentioned the opera, but the new one was current.

[Sam Taggart]

He was on tour.

[Jay Jordan]

That's a lot of talking.

[George Severis]

Here's my seven years.

[Jay Jordan]

Years of opera and ballet talk.

[George Severis]

The tough thing with the opera and ballet talk is that people's interpretation of it is actually completely wrong. Because the thing is, because Timmy is such a little art kid from New York and went to LaGuardia and his mom's like, a dancer, and he.

[Jay Jordan]

LaGuardia, he. Nicki.

[George Severis]

Nicki Minaj, he actually is talking about the ballet and the opera from completely the opposite way that people think. People think he's being, like, a toxic guy who hates faggy artists.

[Jay Jordan]

No.

[George Severis]

He grew up going to this. To the Lincoln. To Lincoln center, like, with his mom. And he is saying, as someone who knows what it's like to see, you know, the opera sort of, like, dying in his lifetime, it's actually so the opposite of him being, like, a toxic guy.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, he's coming out of the way.

[George Severis]

He's like an art kid.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah. He said he was happy. He doesn't have to be the face of a dying industry. And I think that word choice through people. But. But I mean, as a comedian,

[George Severis]

and I get it, and, like, he is

[Jay Jordan]

being annoying, but bro tone is like, something that they also adopt whenever they're around. Of course. Because if he's talking to Misty Copeland, he's saying it different. Of course he's saying it. He's saying it differently.

[George Severis]

And he's clearly also trying to impress Matthew McConaughey in that clip. Whatever. Anyway, and he was in Texas.

[Jay Jordan]

That was the context as a Southern girl. That was the context that was lost. And you know what? That actually brings it back to Drake, because Drake is one of those people who also, as a boy, he adopts whatever city boys think is cool. So he adopts Atlanta, he adopts Houston. And guess what? He loves both of those cities, but those cities have a very specific culture when it comes to midnight ballerinas and strippers. So he also was like, I love Houston. I love this strip club. I love Atlanta. I love this strip club. So he is, like, he will put on a bit of an affectation and some airs for a place. And like, Timothy, you kind of go, man, you boyed too close to the sun. Yeah, yeah.

[George Severis]

Which is also freshman year of college. Coded.

[Jay Jordan]

Yes.

[George Severis]

It's like you're trying to find a different identity. You're away from your family for the first time. You no longer have to be the child actor from Toronto. You can be, like, from Houston.

[Jay Jordan]

And a lot of queer men who weren't out their freshman year did an approximation of this. We're like, I wasn't completely. I wasn't completely. I know I wasn't out I wasn't out my freshman year, but there were times where, like, you know, one of your friends says, hey man, we should go to a party. One person says, oh, man, it'll be chicks at these party. And you as this scared, queer little freshman, you go and fuck some bitches at this party. And you go, oh, man, hey, let's leave that up to them. We don't know if these bitches want to fuck us.

[Sam Taggart]

There's something still to go back to the Kendrick Drake thing a little bit. There's like, everyone, all of America was like, Drake sucks.

[Jay Jordan]

Woo.

[Sam Taggart]

But then at the same time, like, Nokia was like the biggest song. There's something. People are not telling the truth.

[Jay Jordan]

And guess who was playing Nokia.

[George Severis]

Me and Sam.

[Jay Jordan]

We were playing Party next Door and Drake. I was playing Nokia and play. When I walk out here, do you

[George Severis]

think people are overcompensating? They're listening to Nokia privately and then they're like trying to be like, but I'm on the right side of history.

[Sam Taggart]

There's something where it's like, people are like, people have no backbone. No matter what.

[George Severis]

They don't.

[Jay Jordan]

And it's hard. Here's the thing. It is so hard to go against someone with a Pulitzer. Artistically. You could. You can maybe go hit for hit. Maybe you can go popularity for popularity. Maybe you can go club song for club song. It is hard to be like. And the person with the Pulitzer is less artistic. It's just hard. Like, Kendrick won whenever he got that for to pimp a butterfly in a way, for so many people that Drake was never gonna be able to fix. It's like. It's also like once you start counting Grammys and shit like that, but like, like, I'm with you on that. I was one of the people who was like, kendrick can win. He won that argument. He won that beef. But Nokia was fun.

[Sam Taggart]

It was fun.

[Jay Jordan]

It was fun. It was fun to play.

[Sam Taggart]

And it was also like, so. But so, like, I was sort of like, maybe this is weird that I. And then it's like, no, everyone feels this way.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah. There's something literally in my. As I. I was in. I was in Canada three times last year and every time whenever I went there, one of the jokes I told, I was like, actually, I actually just came here, so I gotta listen to Drake and Pete. Oh, my God. If you mention Drake, but if you

[George Severis]

mention Drake on stage, people like, people like, it's mutiny. Because people.

[Jay Jordan]

There are a lot of people, A

[George Severis]

lot of people in Toronto also feel like, ashamed Of Drake, like, especially. I'm not especially.

[Jay Jordan]

Like, listen, you know, people are, like,

[George Severis]

politically progressive, and they. They're like, there was this one person at our show that yelled out. He is humiliating us on a global scale.

[Jay Jordan]

Yelled it, yelled it, yelled it. It. You know who Drake's last name is? Netanyahu. And you. That's it. That's right.

[George Severis]

And he has. But the music.

[Sam Taggart]

The music's good, folks.

[George Severis]

I do think, though, he is embarrassing

[Jay Jordan]

us on our global scale.

[George Severis]

On a global scale.

[Sam Taggart]

On a global scale. I'm so glad you remember that sentence.

[George Severis]

People can sniff out in terms of the masculinity thing when someone is putting it on.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah. He's also having to do with something else that boys, Straight boys have to do once they reach a certain age. He's having to hang out with younger straight boys. Cause all the older straight boys are married, happy, and they go, I can't do this shit with you no more. So that's why he's hanging out with Drew Ski. That's why he's hanging out with. Who's the horrible streamer. Who's Aiden Ross? That's why he's hanging out with, like. That's why he was hanging out with Drew Ski. Adam Ross Kyson, that he was hanging out with the. You know that feeling when you see an older guy hanging out with younger guys and they're more younger guys? That older guy's in the minority now. It's not a young guy who, like, got welcomed into this older, established circle. It's an older guy being like, what y' all trying to do? He's like, yeah, what? He's. That sometimes.

[Sam Taggart]

Well. And if only he would just hang out with gay guys, he could hang out with people who are his own age who still want to party.

[Jay Jordan]

I mean, exactly. Exactly.

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[George Severis]

Okay, here's the straightest thing about Drake.

[Jay Jordan]

Fix it.

[Sam Taggart]

Fix it.

[George Severis]

Here's the straightest thing about Drake. How bad he is at posting. Do you know. You know when you, like, you know when you find. You find your girlfriend's boyfriend, friend's Instagram and you're like, how did you even manage that angle? Like, it's like him at, like, a soccer game, and it's like the. It's like the phone's upside down and it's from below, and you're like. You're attractive in person. How did you get, like, Drake's like, that image of his abs that he posted. Like, it's all so incorrect, like, aesthetically. Like, he cannot even post an Instagram.

[Jay Jordan]

Even him laughing about the fake. Maybe not fake dick leak.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Jay Jordan]

During the whole thing. And then somebody like, was that you? He's like, man, I don't know. And you go, okay, so it wasn't he. All right, I don't. I don't.

[George Severis]

And it's like, separate. You can release good music, you can be talented. But, like, he doesn't have the posting gene that gay men and women have to learn at a young age if they don't want. If they don't want to be murdered by the state.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah. Sometimes he doesn't have the curation.

[George Severis]

No.

[Jay Jordan]

He doesn't have the edit button up here for, like, the.

[Sam Taggart]

But that's almost like a flex in a way. Like, it's being like, I don't have to post well.

[George Severis]

And I think he wants to post well. Is the thing.

[Jay Jordan]

Like, there is a difference than, like, Gen Z, Gen Z girls, Gen Z gays. When. When that Instagram looks like. That's on purpose sort of like when that outfit looks like my brain.

[Sam Taggart]

Like, I love to post bad. Like, I love to post bad.

[George Severis]

You love to post a bad ankle.

[Jay Jordan]

I find it somewhere in 2021. No one wanted to me. You look at the photos.

[George Severis]

Yeah. You're posting literally, the.

[Jay Jordan]

Adam, is this your niece? I thought it was funny. In the carousel.

[Sam Taggart]

This is a really proper call out because I actually do need to, like, I post horrible. And then I'm like, how come no one's sliding in?

[George Severis]

No, you actually do. I'm like. I'm like, you are. You're, like, objectively an attractive person. Just take a photo straight to mirror. You can do it.

[Jay Jordan]

Never. Never. No, no, no, no, no. Sam's always like, what if it was like.

[George Severis]

No, it's like, It's. It's. You've taken the comedy too far.

[Sam Taggart]

You're so right.

[George Severis]

It' sex and being like, which can be fun. I am guilty.

[Jay Jordan]

Every now and then, if the bottom has a big wiener, that is fun to see that thing flopping around. Honestly, Sam woke something up in Sam. Sam went, oh, yeah, yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Netflix.

[George Severis]

No, this is something that I like. I think I was. My creativity and sort of joie de vivre when it comes to sex was beat out of me early on because I was like, wait, isn't it funny that, like, when I was like, 22, I was like, wait, isn't it so funny that we're doing this? Like. Like, I was. L. Literally, like, chuckling while having sex. And then at some point, you realize that actually, no, this is people serious time. Like, they want to. Like, they want to lock in. And I was like, all right. I guess we're like, well, you got to do.

[Sam Taggart]

You got to go in waves.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah. I've had the. If with the husband. Sometimes the after come giggles can be fun. Yes. Something with a person you don't know, they could kill you. They could be laughing because you're locked in this apartment. Yeah.

[George Severis]

You know, but when you reach. When you reach, though, like, you know that meme where it's like two gigs having sex and one of them, sis, we did that.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which. Which hilarious enough. People have used to reference the Weeknd and Drake on tracks together. It's like, there's an image of, like, Drake talking to the Weeknd, and, like, they've taken any context away from it, and there'll be a. It'll be like a speech bubble that says, but, sis, we still need to talk.

[George Severis]

Okay, but. So one of my greatest dreams is that I love the weekend.

[Jay Jordan]

You're allowed to.

[George Severis]

And I think.

[Jay Jordan]

I think straight, but not as straight as Drake.

[George Severis]

No, completely.

[Sam Taggart]

But a similar arc.

[George Severis]

Similar arc.

[Sam Taggart]

Very sensitive, like, mysterious, but doesn't have the vulnerable.

[George Severis]

Yes. There is a central wound with Drake that. It's like the more he tries to cover it, the more visible it is.

[Jay Jordan]

And the Weeknd, that wound was. I love cocaine and strippers. And everyone said, that's a cool wound.

[George Severis]

That's a wound we're familiar with. We've seen that before.

[Jay Jordan]

The Weeknd also was the first person I remember playing the Weeknd, and that was the first time I heard a black artist. And, no, he's like. He's Afro Canadian, but that was the first time I heard a black artist. Really? I mean, since the. It's Gotta be. Since the 70s, embrace cocaine in such a way. Where I was like, that's right. You know what? Martin Luther King wanted us to be able to do cocaine too. Thank you, Abel. Because all these people are saying, we don't do it. Thank you. Some black people have access to good coat.

[Sam Taggart]

That is a beautiful sentiment.

[Jay Jordan]

The Weeknd.

[George Severis]

There was a point in my life where I would be like, there was a point in my life for the Weeknd was like my favorite artist. You know, it was like when that first trilogy of albums was released, I was like, I'm sorry, but this is unlike anything I've ever heard. And I'm obsessed.

[Jay Jordan]

And it's also fun because the Weeknd enables you to do evil boy stuff.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, yes.

[Jay Jordan]

You get to be a terrible.

[George Severis]

I like the naughtiness of it being nasty.

[Jay Jordan]

You get to do that thing where you have. You have sex and then you don't shower and then you go meet people and you went, you. You come. You know, when you come to brunch, a little stinky.

[Sam Taggart]

I do do that.

[Jay Jordan]

You get that feeling when you go, this is disgusting. There is also, like this fian pack where you go, I get to be boy all the time. And then boys are kind of. Of evil and bad sometimes. And so then you have that blowback

[George Severis]

where someone goes, wait a second, Completely.

[Jay Jordan]

Why are we being. Why are we being such a boy?

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

No, it's literally like, I want to be boy. Meaning I want to be evil.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah. And so then you're like, well, are

[George Severis]

you going to really commit? Are you going to do the evil thing?

[Jay Jordan]

Which as comedians in 2026, the rise of that in our profession specifically, has been wild to watch. It's been unsettling.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Jay Jordan]

And it's. It's crazy that there are people, boys, men who go see comedy and then if they see comedy online, that isn't. You know, sometimes my girlfriend sucks my dick weird. They go, this faggot ass shit. You go, wait, wait, wait. Time out, time out, time out. Did you think comedy was just the thing you saw? Only did you not know comedy is. Do you know who Joan Rivers is? They go, who? You go, okay, you, like, honestly have such a specific, once again, boy angle on this and such a specific straight angle on this that they'll be like, this is kind of faggy. I'll be like, yeah, it's on stage. Yeah, of course it's. What are you talking about?

[George Severis]

It's like, this has always coexisted with the things you like. You just didn't have access to it. And now, because of, like, Instagram reels, sometimes it crosses your desk.

[Jay Jordan]

They'll be like, this guy.

[George Severis]

It's not going to, like, do anything to you. Like, you don't have to like it.

[Jay Jordan]

It's. It's the kind of straight boys who go, this guy's kind of zesty. And you go, you mean Martin Short being Jiminy Glick? Yeah, that's the thing.

[George Severis]

By the way, Jiminy Glick invented queer comedy.

[Jay Jordan]

Mount Rushmore. Mount Rushmore queer comedy.

[George Severis]

Jiminy Glick.

[Jay Jordan]

Martin. No, Jiminy Glick. Jiminy Glick, not Martin Short.

[George Severis]

There was a point a couple of years ago, I can't remember if you were there. I was in a room with all gay men comedians, and we were just watching Best of Jiminy Glick. I've never seen people laugh harder.

[Jay Jordan]

And he also. He was funny enough that people don't even get mad about the fat suit.

[George Severis]

Well, people do get mad about it.

[Jay Jordan]

Okay, all right, all right. I. I got you close. That's my. Watch it. That's my cultural blind spot.

[George Severis]

That's you talking about dog. Dog walker, dog walking in Brooklyn.

[Jay Jordan]

I mean, I think that in comedy, and this is one of the things that is related to, like, straight culture and, like, trying to be a boy. Part of, like, the comedy I loved was when boy was undercut by something. But so many straight guys hate that. They go, no, you're taking away the boy. And I go, yeah, but that's what. That's. That. That's the funny. Okay. You have to. There's so many men who. When you take that element out of your comedy, when you go, oh, not only do I have to be a boy all the time, I have to win all the time, and I can only be boy. I can't ever. No one else can question my boy. You go, well, okay, now, it's gonna be hard for you to lose and do things comedically as a performer because you're kind of robbing yourself of the freedom to be seen as anything other than, like, I'm a man. I get to be the boy. Yeah.

[George Severis]

You can't take risks. Yeah. Because a risk involves the option that it might not succeed.

[Jay Jordan]

Make you look the tiniest bit faggy.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. Well, so much standup is just a fear of risk taking.

[Jay Jordan]

But, hey, once again, see it, watch the new hour. It's.

[George Severis]

You know what, though? But Drake, this is interesting. Drake does take risks, but as you said, then we'll add a little coda that's like. And by the way, here's something misogynist. Just in case this was too. Because it's not.

[Jay Jordan]

He does.

[George Severis]

He doesn't make boring music. He takes risks. He makes interesting music and then just, like, makes it. Boy is like, okay. And now for the final pass, we're going to add a little bit of, like, misogyny.

[Jay Jordan]

Homophobic. He does. At the end of a lot of songs. If you ever like early Drake in mid, kind of first. The first three albums in any of the mixtapes, he'd have, like, a song and it'd be a great song. But then at the end of the song, he'd have to add, had what exactly what you're talking be like. And by the way, I hate you. I hate this. This ruined my life. This. I hope everything goes terrible for you.

[Sam Taggart]

You.

[Jay Jordan]

You'd be like, you just talked about how much you love this woman. He goes, she's a. She lied. You go, aubrey, this isn't you. We. We're all guidance counselors. We go, sit down. Sit down.

[Sam Taggart]

Yes.

[Jay Jordan]

Look at me.

[Sam Taggart]

That's what we are.

[Jay Jordan]

Look at me. You're lashing. I cannot have you do this in my classroom anymore. Apologize. Apologize to her. Apologize for what you said. She goes, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. What? I'm sorry. You're such a bitch. No, no, no.

[Sam Taggart]

We're always sitting Drake down and being like, what happened to that nice boy that we knew in sixth grade? Whatever happened to that sweet boy who would come to my classroom during lunch?

[George Severis]

No, it's crazy.

[Sam Taggart]

I want to talk more about the reading.

[Jay Jordan]

We have the chunkiest cardigan. We go, what happened to him? Hey, hey.

[George Severis]

Wooden jewelry.

[Jay Jordan]

We hold up a picture. We go, what happened to him?

[Sam Taggart]

Aubrey was so sweet until he got mixed up with those boys.

[Jay Jordan]

He'll grow out of it.

[George Severis]

He'll grow out of it. Well, time is running out.

[Sam Taggart]

Time is running out.

[Jay Jordan]

Well. Cause, you know, I mean, I think he's older than everyone in this room.

[George Severis]

Well, like, sure. No, he is.

[Jay Jordan]

He is.

[Sam Taggart]

I'm like, we might be the same age. How old is he?

[Jay Jordan]

No, he's older. He's older. He's older than everyone in this room.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay, I'll take it.

[Jay Jordan]

That's. That's. That's how you know. I'm like, okay, he's older. Okay. I would have guessed older. Think about. Think about everything that he's been doing the past couple years. And for Becca to say, he's 39,

[Sam Taggart]

that does change it.

[Jay Jordan]

That's what I'm saying. If you're. If one of Your girlfriends, if you're at a bar, your girlfriend. Everyone's been having a good time, big cool party. You see her, she's in the corner like this. You go, what's going on? She goes. You go, what? You go, it's bad that I'm here and like I'm supposed to. And you go, oh, my God, he's 30 now. He could have came to this event. Or you can go home. I'm not dealing with this. He's 39. 39. You here.

[Sam Taggart]

Sounds bad, but I think it's going to be much worse the Moment he is 40 something.

[Jay Jordan]

Oh, no.

[Sam Taggart]

Something bleak is going to happen when he is 40. And I don't know what it is.

[George Severis]

I just want to say I know how he gets out of this.

[Jay Jordan]

Say it. I agree.

[George Severis]

No, no, it's not anything. I think that what it's going to

[Jay Jordan]

be, I think what it's going to

[George Severis]

be is a return to acting. I think he's going to have a sort of Mickey Rourke in the wrestler type thing.

[Jay Jordan]

Oh.

[George Severis]

Where it's like he actually fully goes for an Oscar. I don't think it's going to happen for him, but I think he's, he might get close, like, and maybe even with like a woman director. Like I think it might. Or I. The two options are either woman director, like stripped down or like Safdie Brothers movie amped Up.

[Jay Jordan]

I could see. I could. There's a world because I see that.

[George Severis]

Because he's like, no matter what music he makes, it's not going to change the narrative. As good as it might be, it has to be something different. And then he, it's like a press tour where he talks about that.

[Jay Jordan]

I hope he uses some of this audio for the promotion of Iceman. He does have a new album coming out soon. But that is, that is true. That is actually very smart. If he did that, if he went Safdie Brothers or oh, cause Weeknd.

[George Severis]

The Weeknd went Safdie Brothers.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah, that's true.

[George Severis]

I mean, it was just a cameo. But I, I, I think that, I think that it could, it could be something the. Here's what the mistake would be. And I think this is the safe choice. And the huge mistake is if he, if his movie was a biopic of like a more respected musician. Because that's a very tempting thing to do. Or even not a musician, but like an athlete.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Like, I mean, like Will Smith doing Ali or something. Like he doesn't have the juice to do something like that.

[Jay Jordan]

You know what he has to do. I think he needs to be a strong supporting. But he needs to. He doesn't have these chops yet, but it needs to be this funny. He needs to be. He needs to lose every bit of credibility and respect, specifically as this character in the movie. You want to see him do prat falls. You want to see a woman throw a drink in his face. You want him to be like, oh, my dick doesn't work. You want, like, crying. Yeah. You want him, like, running from, like, actual gangsters. You want him to flip all of this so then you can be like, wait a minute. Are you okay? Wait a minute. Only a person who's, like, kind of secure could do that. This. Yeah, that's.

[Sam Taggart]

But is he secure enough to do it?

[Jay Jordan]

Aubrey, we have faith in you. I have. I have faith in you.

[George Severis]

Well, it's dwindling, but it is there.

[Jay Jordan]

I think it can happen.

[George Severis]

I think it can happen maybe at 45.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, see you in six years.

[Jay Jordan]

Yes.

[Sam Taggart]

Should we do our final.

[Jay Jordan]

If Drake gets his Oscar before Delroy Lindo, I'm going to be mad.

[George Severis]

I can't even get it. Yeah. I was like, just give it to him. You're going to. Sean Pen was not even there.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, my God.

[George Severis]

I can't.

[Jay Jordan]

Sean was not Karen Co. I guess he didn't want to be here. That's. That's. That is the kind of weird, fucked up thing that, like, when a person like that has to deal with Sean Pen not be. There are actors who can go, I graciously accept this on behalf of Sean Penn. Thank you so much.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Jay Jordan]

But because it's Kieran Culkin.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Jay Jordan]

He has to also add a little silly. So then it's two sillies and you go, well, that's kind of disrespectful.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. Everyone's putting their stink on this.

[Jay Jordan]

Basically said he couldn't accept this award. But everyone, just to be clear, he's not here because he's out fucking black girls.

[Amir Kassam]

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[Joe Hoff]

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[Amir Kassam]

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[Iris Palmer]

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[Amy Robach]

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[TJ Holmes]

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[Amy Robach]

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[Jay Jordan]

What the f. So let's cut the crap.

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[Amy Robach]

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[Sam Taggart]

Okay, let's do our final seg.

[George Severis]

Let's do it.

[Sam Taggart]

Our final segment is called Shout Outs. And in this segment we pay homage to the grand street tradition of the radio shout out. Shouting out to anything that we enjoy. People, places, things, ideas. And we go first and we make them up on the spot.

[Jay Jordan]

All right,

[George Severis]

what's up, freaks and losers? I want to give a shout out to Jay's boots. I have been staring at them all episode. It is such a. It's like no matter if you dress it one way, it can read like bdsm. If you dress it another way, you can literally read like businessman going to work. Like, it's truly. It is such a perfect article that you can kind of make what you want. You are pulling them off beautifully.

[Jay Jordan]

Thank you. I.

[George Severis]

As someone who has been looking for boots for the last approximately 14 years, I am inspired. I'm going to get out there and go to, you know, a Nordstrom rack, a saxophone, and I'm going to find a nice pair of black leather boots. So look out for that next year. But for now, you can look at Jason.

[Jay Jordan]

People shout out. Yeah, shout out to Bloomingdale's on 59th. Don't. I mean, if you want to go 316, you want to go to our legacy, but some. There's so many other boots. Once again, for the boy. For sty. For the boys. Every boy who's like, I got to get this boot, cuz I saw it on Instagram and Tik Tok. Go to a store. You need to be in the department store. You are not cool. Go to the department store. Get. Get some. Get some Macy's points.

[George Severis]

Wait, those are our legacy.

[Jay Jordan]

These are. No, these are all saints.

[George Severis]

Oh,

[Sam Taggart]

what's up free slucers and perverts around the globe. I want to give a huge shout out to the club sandwich I had yesterday at LA Canteen. I had the most amazing club sandwich and it was sort of a portal to time. You know, people often say that food tells a story. I've never related to that and I always kind of thought they were full of shit. But yesterday I was eating a club sandwich and I was. I felt transported back to three years ago when I was living in Bushwick and sitting in my apartment that I lived in forever, eating the exact same club sandwich. And. And I said, wow, I am home. I have felt all my lives at once. And all it takes is a beautiful little sandwich and a coffee. Xoxo, Sam.

[Jay Jordan]

Wow, that's beautiful. Ooh.

[Sam Taggart]

It was actually really weird. I was like, where am I?

[George Severis]

I'm so hungry.

[Jay Jordan]

What kind of bacon? Like thick bacon? Thin bacon?

[Sam Taggart]

It's kind of thick.

[Jay Jordan]

Ooh, country bacon. It's kind of thick. Wait, the hesitation was sexual.

[George Severis]

I know.

[Sam Taggart]

I was like, I got scared because I'm not good at describing food and you.

[George Severis]

Insecurity. I got scared because I'm not good at describing food.

[Jay Jordan]

I know why. Because someone can describe food.

[George Severis]

Oh, my God.

[Jay Jordan]

Someone is very. Someone has a lot of words to describe food. So. I know, I know, I know.

[Sam Taggart]

And my, literally, my husband loves to talk about food. And so I'm always like.

[George Severis]

You're like, that's his thing.

[Sam Taggart]

I'm like, look, the bacon was bacon.

[George Severis]

For that to extend to. Was it thin bacon or thick bacon is really funny.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, that's. I'm so glad you're like, what is the framework to work in? Because you're like, what kind of bacon? And I'm like, there's kinds of bacon.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah, you know there's kind of bacon.

[George Severis]

No, the panic really rushed across your face.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, I'm. I'm guilty of. When I'm describing food, sometimes I sound too much like I'm trying to like, totally to like the high. Well, the zippy sort of brightness of the acid really breaks. It wakes up the dish, but it's not overpowering. I needed some acid, but I didn't need it to be bright. And people go, okay, so lemon. I go, yeah, it's lemon. It's some lemon in there.

[George Severis]

Yeah, it was lemon.

[Jay Jordan]

What's up, you hoes and bros and bros that are hoes and hoes that are bros. Those are neutral terms.

[George Severis]

Shout out.

[Jay Jordan]

Shout out to the people in the West Village and NYU and Washington Square. Park. Park. I want to thank y' all for keeping annoying 18 year old culture alive. Every article I see says the kids aren't outside. The kids don't want to drink. The kids don't do drugs. They're not fun, y'. All. Kids. Every time I see y', all, y' all having some fun. Y' all are having some fun. Y' all are hyping up men that do not look like any of these lookalike contests. Y' all are shouting at people. People, y' all are dancing. Y' all are buying the same jacket and the same jeans and the same T shirt and wearing them all at the same time. I seeing, I'm seeing boys walking around in groups of four. Kind of like destroying any sort of sidewalk maneuverability, but they're out having fun. And as much as it pains me to be stuck behind y', all, I'd rather y' all be outside than online. So shout out to the West Village girly. Shout out out to the NYU boys. Shout out. Shout out to all you stupid dumb kids. Shout out. As for me, your uncle, someone who's older than your mayor. Wow.

[George Severis]

I completely agree with you because they. It, it has actually. I've done a real 180 on this. I'm like, you know, it's so good that you're not on your phones.

[Jay Jordan]

Yes.

[George Severis]

I definitely think it's going to take some time to like, get re acclimated to the world. It's like sort of like wild monkeys running around. But like, even when I see, for example, in a movie theater, someone on their phone or filming, I'm like, you know what? I don't love that. But it's good that you're at the movies.

[Jay Jordan]

Imagine being mad. You see people wrapped around the Spaniard. I can't be mad at that. Let them go. Let them go to the Spaniard. I'm not gonna go. Let them go to the Spaniard. Let them go to that little karaoke place right there too. Let them have fun. I'm never gonna be mad at them.

[Sam Taggart]

I will be mad at them if they're waiting outside of a photo booth museum.

[George Severis]

Well, it's better that than wherever I'm going.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah, yeah. Listen, I'm gonna say it. I'm gonna say it. It's so funny. I, I truly don't think those people can see pieces. I don't think they'll be in the village. They can't see pieces. They can't see Julius. They, they truly.

[Sam Taggart]

That's true.

[George Severis]

Literally. Don't even, don't even say those names on the podcast.

[Jay Jordan]

It is like, it's like, Becca, censor those, Andrew, censor them. It's truly like they can't see you.

[George Severis]

I'm so happy those places exist. It's like, oh, it's safe to be 34.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, yeah. Safe and encouraged.

[George Severis]

And encouraged.

[Jay Jordan]

Yeah. And this is if you're a 39 year old Canadian. Oh, my God, come to pieces.

[Sam Taggart]

Come on, Drake. Imagine Drake is at pieces.

[George Severis]

Drake is at pieces.

[Sam Taggart]

You get the text. Drake is at Pieces.

[Jay Jordan]

And guess what? I'm sprinting there. Yeah, I'm taking an uber black because I want to be. I want to be in the photo like this. Cassie. Okay. One time I did a comedy show in Toronto at Comedy Bar. I did my show. There's a second show going on with a very funny comedian, Hasan Pills. He knows Drake. Like, they message back and forth. He's a Canadian comedian. Drake's gonna come to this show. Before Drake shows up, security does a sweep. They like, say, Drake's gonna come at this time. He's gonna come through this door. Be very specific. Also, don't make a scene of it. He just wants to enjoy the comedy. She. He's gonna be low key. Everything's gonna be low key. He shows up, floor length, white fur. This is him.

[George Severis]

Low key, behind the candelabra.

[Jay Jordan]

Tease.

[Sam Taggart]

That is so funny.

[Jay Jordan]

I mean, full on. Miss Piggy level. Deep.

[George Severis]

Drake is the Miss Piggy.

[Jay Jordan]

Rappers I love. Drake is the Miss Piggy. Rap. It used to be Nicki, but Drake. Drake shows up, definitely gets as much attention as possible. Comes in. Everyone just, like, is in awe at him. He, like, sits down. I think Alastor was, like, going, so he had to stretch. Drake shows up. He finally brings Hasan on stage. And so then, like, the people are, like, watching Hasan, but every couple seconds they're like, is Drake left? So then they have to tell the artist, watch me. Don't watch Drake. Drake goes up and uses the bathroom. People. It's. It's like. It is hilarious that he will do. So him going to pieces. Not crazy.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, I went to the SNL that he hosted when Views came out, and he rented out Dave and Buster's for the after after party. And he was like, dancing on the pinball machine.

[Jay Jordan]

No. Hey, guess who I'm gonna say it. George. That works on me.

[George Severis]

Drake dancing on the pinball machine at Dave and Busters.

[Jay Jordan]

I'm trying to get my Dave and

[Sam Taggart]

Buster talking about Boy, Boy and Busters. Like, I was like, what is this

[Jay Jordan]

choice that works with me a little bit. I don't. Not. Not in a hookup way, but in like a. Okay. Be stupid.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Jay Jordan]

No, there's.

[Sam Taggart]

I mean, we talked. We started with Pokemon. We're ending with Dave and Busters. Well, hello,

[George Severis]

Stream J is special. Yes, ma'.

[Sam Taggart]

Am.

[Jay Jordan]

On the loop.

[George Severis]

Oh, yeah.

[Jay Jordan]

And I'm on tour as well. You can catch me. It's called a nothing special tour because it's nothing from the special. I'll be in Los Angeles. I'll be in Grand Rapids. I'LL be in Chicago. I'll eventually be in sf. I will also be in Fort Worth. I think there's someplace I'm missing. Oh, I'm gonna be in Portland, Maine, for the first time since I was there with Bob. So, yeah, so you can catch all of those dates. Tickets are gonna [e-mail] and follow me online if you want more silly shit like this, I guess.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, this was such a treat. Thanks for doing it.

[Jay Jordan]

Thank y'. All. Bye.

[George Severis]

Podcast ends now for our visual learners. You can watch full video episodes on our YouTube channel and subscribe to our

[Sam Taggart]

Patreon for two extra episodes a month

[George Severis]

at patreon.com Stradiolab Stradiolab is a production

[Sam Taggart]

by Will Ferrell's Big Money players network

[George Severis]

and iHeart podcasts, created and hosted by me, George Severis and Sam Taggart, executive

[Sam Taggart]

produced by Jenna Cagle, co produced by

[George Severis]

Becca Ramos, edited by Lauren Stumpf and mixed and mastered by Doug Bain.

[Sam Taggart]

Artwork by Michael Fails and Matt Grubb. Theme music by Ben Kling.

[Amir Kassam]

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[Joe Hoff]

It was just us making happen whatever he said was gonna happen. And then it happened.

[Amir Kassam]

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[Iris Palmer]

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[Amir Kassam]

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[Jay Jordan]

Then she says, have you seen a photo of my son?

[Aaliyah]

And I'm like, who is this person?

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[Jay Jordan]

How much you weigh, Wanda? Right now, about 130.

[Iris Palmer]

I'm at 183.

[Jay Jordan]

We should race. No, I want to leave here with my original hips.

[Aaliyah]

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[Jay Jordan]

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It's Financial Literacy Month, and the podcast Eating While Broke is bringing real conversations about money, growth, and building your future. This month, hear from top streamer Zoe Spencer and venture capitalist lakeisha Landrum Pierre as they share their journeys from starting out to leveling up.

[Jay Jordan]

There's an economic component to communities thriving. If there's not enough money and entrepreneurship

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happening in communities, they fail. Listen to Eating While Broke from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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