"Febreze" w/ Greta Titelman

Summary

StraightioLab – "Febreze" w/ Greta Titelman

Release Date: December 9, 2025
Hosts: George Civeris & Sam Taggart
Guest: Greta Titelman
Podcast Network: Big Money Players Network & iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This episode of StraightioLab explores the cultural and psychological underpinnings of “Febreze”—the ubiquitous deodorizing spray—investigating its symbolism within straight culture, its connections to broader social trends (including conspiracy theories and the value of “quick fixes”), and the broader themes of authenticity, play, fashion cycles, and creativity. Comedian Greta Titelman joins George and Sam for a rollicking, digressive, and incisive conversation that moves fluidly between high comic absurdity and sharp socio-cultural critique.

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Main Discussion Themes

1. Opening Banter & Assistant Dynamics

• The episode opens in Los Angeles, with George and Sam describing a hilariously fraught pre-podcast coffee run, with George wolfing down a yogurt and multitasking, while Sam obediently fetches napkins—a reflection of workplace hierarchies and service roles.
  • Memorable moment (04:53, George): "You embodied the role of the assistant very fast. You didn't even resist."
  • Sam on role-immersion: Both recount personal experiences being typecast as assistants/waiters, drawing parallels between menial labor, subservience, and trauma.

2. Gay Social Circles & Boundaries

• The hosts recount a chaotic attempt at a working meeting at Silver Lake Tartine, constantly interrupted by other gay acquaintances, highlighting the difficulty of setting boundaries in tightly-knit social-creative scenes.
  • Notable quote (08:00, Sam): "We had to put up a boundary and be like, so basically we have to work, but because we're both weak, we actually couldn't put up a boundary."

3. Fashion Archetypes, Trends & Identity

• Greta introduces the “Belgian Loafer” and recounts its bizarre break-in rituals (walk in them for 24 hours before adding a sole). This sparks a deep-dive into footwear trends (Belgian shoes, Tod’s driving moccasins) and the resurgence of past preppy fashions.
  • Fashion epistemology (17:13, Greta): "I don’t think Tod’s actually went anywhere in terms of being in or out. I think it just felt dormant."
• The trio discuss the inescapability of “preppiness” based on upbringing, the limits of style reinvention, and the impossibility of truly breaking from one’s archetype.
  • Insightful exchange (20:15, Greta): "The preppiness, we can't avoid it… It's our plague."
• Remarks on evolving fashion, TikTok trend acceleration, and the normalization of once-niche styles—e.g., leather harnesses, crowns, and “normcore.”

4. Conspiracy Theories & “Releasing the Files”

• Mid-episode, the discussion takes a turn into contemporary paranoia: the idea that much of cultural and political reality is manufactured (“psyo-ops”), from viral internet personalities to political theater.
• The hosts and Greta imagine which “files” they’d want hackers to leak, from social media bot counts to evidence of bipartisan deals and Hollywood secrets.
  • Sam’s pick (40:31): Photographs of "evil Republicans... laughing it up with who we think are good Democrats... in a secret layer."
  • George’s pick (41:50): "I want the files showing what numbers across social media have been completely fabricated."
  • Greta’s pick (43:48): She suspects some influencers (e.g. the D’Amelio sisters) were essentially “plants” by the algorithm/industry, and wonders who is “real.”
• Entertaining foot fetish theory as an Internet psy-op: why is it so famously popular online, yet nobody claims to be into it?
  • Sam (44:34): "There’s something I’ve been working on—a theory called foot fetish theory... It’s this thing where it’s deeply, deeply popular, and yet everyone I know is like, not me, not me, not me..."

5. The Straightness of Febreze: A Cultural Analysis

[Main Topic Begins ~54:37]

• Greta provocatively declares "Febreze is a psy-op."

  • Febreze, she argues, fosters a culture of “quick fixes” and willful ignorance—masking problems rather than solving them.
    • Key quote (56:27, Greta): "The reason why I think it’s a psyop is it promotes... allowing people to live in not even mediocrity—sub, below, actual bare fucking minimum—then we leave them without skills."
  • Febreze as emblematic of straight culture:
    • Illusion of cleanliness without actual labor/attention,
    • The “Band-Aid” mentality: "Straight culture is often putting Band-Aids over problems" (59:11, Greta)
    • Gendered dimensions: used by frazzled moms or frat boys who lack cleaning skills.

• Straightness of room/body/fabric sprays:

  • Sprays as “tech”—a surface-level, invisible, and supposedly magical solution, versus slow ritual/care (candles, actual laundering).
    • George (59:36): "I would go so far as to say all sprays are straight. It’s one of the straightest forms of matter."

• Febreze scent names as evidence of straight-brained marketing (e.g., “Ocean,” “Heavy Duty,” “Spring & Renewal,” “Bora Bora Waters”)

  • Greta (60:47): "Ocean. Now that’s a big concept, my love."
  • Sam (62:04): "The scent is ‘Heavy Duty’?"

• Termites & Febreze: Febreze actually deters termites, which Greta shares as a fact—arguing that even termites are repelled by the lack of “soul” in a Febrezed home.

  • Greta (66:17): "They smell that Febreze. They say, oh, these people. I don't want to eat this home."

6. Creativity, Mental Health & “Going Loft”

• Later, creativity is likened to having “open doors” or “going loft” in one’s mind (i.e. open-concept mental architecture), but with cautions against losing all structure (going “full Kanye”).
  • Greta (76:02): "Like, when I take acid, I'm going loft... it allows me to go loft... moments where you’re truly relaxed and in your body."
  • George (79:35): "When Sam and I reach a place of full brain meld…I can actually let go. Because what it is is we are building. We have adjacent apartments and we're knocking down the walls and building one big apartment."

7. Shoutouts and Reflections ([82:38] onward)

• Greta's shoutouts: Apollo Bagels (NYC), Belgian loafers.
• George: Bread and tomato cocktail at Schmuck (East Village).
• Sam: The "dessert-like" powers of DiGiorno frozen pizza.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• [20:15, Greta Titelman]: "The preppiness, we can't avoid it… It's our plague."
• [41:50, George Civeris]: "I want the files showing what numbers across social media have been completely fabricated. There are people that have completely fake follower counts. People we know, by the way."
• [44:34, Sam Taggart]: "There’s something I’ve been working on—a theory called foot fetish theory..."
• [55:01, Greta Titelman]: "Febreze. Psyop. Febreze. And I have a lot to say about Febreze."
• [56:27, Greta Titelman]: "The reason why I think it’s a psy-op is it promotes... allowing people to live in not even mediocrity—sub, below, actual bare fucking minimum—then we leave them without skills."
• [59:36, George Civeris]: "I would go so far as to say all sprays are straight. It’s one of the straightest forms of matter."
• [66:17, Greta Titelman]: "They smell that Febreze. They say, oh, these people. I don't want to eat this home."
• [76:02, Greta Titelman]: "Like, when I take acid, I'm going loft... it allows me to go loft."
• [79:35, George Civeris]: "We are building... adjacent apartments and we're knocking down the walls and building one big apartment."

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Key Insights & Reflections

• Febreze as Metaphor: The product serves as a metaphor for straight culture’s tendency towards quick fixes and avoidance of root problems. The marketing of Febreze and similar products feeds into a culture deprived of knowledge, curiosity, and genuine care.
• Trend Cycles & TikTokification: The speed at which once-edgy or subcultural artifacts become mainstream and then passé has accelerated—whether it’s fashion, harnesses, or TikTok viral “plants.”
• Authenticity vs. Manufactured Reality: The group fretfully investigates the growing suspicion that much of what we see online and in pop culture is engineered by unseen hands, questioning the very nature of virality, celebrity, and even personal fetishes.
• Creativity & Play: The hosts and Greta relate the concept of “play”—central to both artistic practice and mental health—to the importance of feeling connected, collaborative, and open, but also recognize the necessity of boundaries and the dangers of going “fully open concept.”
• Humor and Pathos of Everyday Life: The episode is laced with the straight/queer dichotomy, analysis of mundane rituals (cleaning, eating, dressing), and self-deprecating humor about taste, trends, and everyday failures.

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Episode Highlights by Segment

| Timestamp | Segment | Summary | |------------|------------------------------------------------------|--------------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:43 | Assistant/Waiter Power Dynamics | Humorous unpacking of social hierarchies, both real and acted. | | 07:31 | Meeting Gone Awry | How attempting “professionalism” is derailed by social distractions| | 09:40 | Greta Titelman Joins | Deep-dive into New York fashion “Belgians,” trend cycles | | 20:15 | Fashion Archetypes | Inescapability, commentary through fashion, assigned identities | | 33:20 | “Files” & Conspiracy Theories | What secrets are hidden? What do we want revealed? | | 54:37 | Main Topic: Febreze | Straightness, quick fixes, education, metaphor of mediocrity | | 66:01 | Febreze as Termite Deterrent | Even termites hate soulless, Febreze-filled homes! | | 74:32 | On Creativity & “Going Loft” | The benefits and perils of mental openness in artistic life | | 82:38 | Shoutouts | Joy in simple food/fashion, return to tangible pleasures |

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Final Thoughts

This episode stands out as one of StraightioLab's classic blends of razor-sharp satire, cultural ethnography, and improvisational humor. The conversation whirls from the granular (leather-sole rituals) to grand reflections on art, conspiracy, mental health, and the meaning of cleanliness and care in domestic life—always keeping things playful, self-reflexive, and deeply funny.

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For Reference:

• Main Topic (Febreze): starts at 54:37
• Conspiracy Theory segment: ~33:20–54:37
• Style & Preppiness: ~13:00–33:00
• Shoutouts: 82:38–87:20
• Notable Quotes & Speakers: above

All themes and quotes are in the wisecracking, slightly sardonic, and deeply affectionate tone StraightioLab is known for.

Transcript

[Greta Titleman]

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[George Severis]

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[George Severis]

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[Greta Titleman]

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[George Severis]

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[Greta Titleman]

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[Sam Taggart]

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Hello everyone, it's Sam with a quick announcement and that is that George and I are returning to San Francisco Sketchfest this year and we couldn't be more excited. We're doing two shows this year, so the first one is on January 22nd and it is a stand up night with George and I splitting the bill. And then the second is on January 23rd and and that is a classic studio lab live show with guest segments, et cetera, et cetera. Come to one, come to both. They'll both be wildly different. And we're so excited to be back. We are now obsessed with San Francisco and can't wait to fall in love even harder. Tickets are in our bio and hope to see you there. Okay, bye.

[George Severis]

Podcast starts now. This is George Severis, co host of Stradiolab and my debut comedy special is now officially out out on all platforms. It is called George A Sense of Urgency. It was filmed in New York City and you can watch it now on Amazon Prime Video, Apple TV, YouTube, Google Play, Vimeo literally anywhere you can rent or buy movies. And you can also listen to the album on Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon Music, and Tidal. It would mean so much to me if you watched it or if you listen to it. If you're a listener of this podcast, I hope you love it. Please rent it, buy it, post about it, tag me. It all makes a huge difference in this amazing media environment we find ourselves in. And I just want to say thank you for listening to this podcast over the years. It is the only reason I was able to record a special in the first place. And your support means the world, and I love you. Enjoy the app.

[Sam Taggart]

Podcast starts now.

[George Severis]

Wow.

[Sam Taggart]

What is up? We are coming at you from Los Angeles, California.

[George Severis]

I'm feeling amazing. I just did a little coffee run, made us 10 minutes late to our own recording. It was completely my fault. I got a yogurt parfait and then ate it on the spot in, how would you say? 30 seconds?

[Sam Taggart]

30 seconds. You spilled a little on your shirt. I went and grabbed napkins.

[George Severis]

I was like. It was disgusting. I was kind of being like, character in the other two who's, like an agent eating yogurt.

[Sam Taggart]

I mean, you were reading a text, a long text on my phone. Your text was getting some. Your phone was getting some texts.

[George Severis]

I had two phones that each had texts on them. I was trying to read them while eating a yogurt parfait. In the intelligentsia. In Hollywood.

[Sam Taggart]

In Hollywood, as I was running late.

[George Severis]

To my own podcast recording.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, what's really dark about it, I must say, is, like, you think it's how sad that you were an agent in the other two. Meanwhile, that makes the agent's assistant. I'm literally just sort of, like, wandering around, following.

[George Severis]

You're getting napkins because I'm getting napkins.

[Sam Taggart]

I'm making sure you read the message on my phone. And you read it and you put it in your pocket, and I'm like, that's fine. It's your phone now. I was literally powerless, and you were taking up space.

[George Severis]

I was taking up a lot of space. And you actually, I have to say.

You embodied the role of the assistant very fast. You didn't even resist.

[Sam Taggart]

Thank you for bringing this up.

[George Severis]

And then I was even like, okay, so that's Sam's role. I'll wait for him to get me a napkin. I don't even know if I said thank you.

[Sam Taggart]

No, you didn't. But one thing. That one time in college, I was a caterer, and it would be hard because I would take on the role of caterer so intensely that then I would come home and be disrespected by my peers because I was like, well, I'm in a place to be disrespected now. And even when one time in college then I played a waiter in a short or something and it's, everyone is your friend, but you're their waiter.

[George Severis]

You're literally their waiter, but you're having a trauma response to being a waiter.

[Sam Taggart]

I was literally like, I'm a waiter. And it was like, I was like, I'm never doing this again. Because when I play waiter, I am waiter. And I can't. I assume the role too hard to allow myself to do it.

[George Severis]

It's almost like doing some sort of role play sexually that is too related to your past or something. And then suddenly you start having trauma flashbacks. And I do feel like anytime I have to be in kind of a service oriented, submissive role, I'm like, this is too real for me. Like I have to. I have to yell at someone in the next two hours, otherwise I will never be able to leave the prison. That is being a waiter.

[Sam Taggart]

It's really tough. And some people, some people can like, you know, they can power bottom being a waiter.

[George Severis]

Yes. No, this is so true.

[Sam Taggart]

I can't. When I am a waiter, I'm being fucked. And not in a. Not in an amazing way. Yeah, in a way that's just like, okay, baby, like finish up.

[George Severis]

No, exactly. It's very much like, okay, it's our anniversary. So, you know, I have to let him do what he wants to, which is from behind. But once a year that I allow it. And then after that, I can finally fucking watch Hunting Wives, literally.

[Sam Taggart]

So that was complicated for me. But I did feel like it was nice to show you the intelligentsia that I spent so much time at.

[George Severis]

Yeah. In that way, you were power bottoming and that you were taking me to a coffee shop I didn't know about.

[Sam Taggart]

It's a beautiful niche coffee shop. The intelligentsia in Hollywood. Cali.

[George Severis]

Well, I just want to say I know I was being very yogurt and two phones, but, um, now we are past that. And that scene, that kink scene is over.

[Sam Taggart]

That kink scene is over.

[George Severis]

That kink scene is over. And now we're on equal footing.

[Sam Taggart]

We're on equal footing and you no.

[George Severis]

Longer have to be a waiter for me or assistant.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay. I want to talk about. I almost want to talk about yesterday trying to have a meeting.

[George Severis]

Oh.

[Sam Taggart]

I almost wanted to talk about.

[George Severis]

The event I was like, I can't really get that right now.

[Sam Taggart]

I kind of want to talk about. We tried to have one single meeting for potentially one hour in the Silver Lake Tartine. In the Silver Lake Tartine.

[George Severis]

Shout out two different gay guys when you walked in with within approximately 45 seconds.

[Sam Taggart]

And two different gay guys that actually we wanted to talk to.

[George Severis]

Correct.

[Sam Taggart]

And it was sort of this complicated thing.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Can you imagine two gay guys you want to talk to? I kind of like, oh, who are they? Peter Kelly and Ryan o'. Connell. Good gay guy. I'm not even going to bleep that because it's. We're complimenting them, saying, those are good gay guys.

[Greta Titleman]

Considering the neighborhood that you were in.

[George Severis]

Yeah, it could be much worse.

[Greta Titleman]

Amazing gay guys.

[Sam Taggart]

Amazing gay guys.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

But then it's complicated because it's like we had to put up a boundary and be like, so basically we have to work, but because we're both weak, we actually couldn't put up a boundary. And we were so, like, how about we all have lunch?

[George Severis]

No, we.

[Greta Titleman]

Oh, wow.

[George Severis]

Well, in fact, what happened was. Here's what happened. Ryan walked in and we were like, we're about to have a meeting. Ryan was like, totally heard, like, I'm going to be on my laptop. But then Peter happened to be on the table next to us, and we were like, just join us. Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

We were like.

[George Severis]

So. Then. So then this situation happened where Ryan was on his laptop alone, seeing us after telling him we can't hang out with him, have lunch with Peter, and just being like, cool.

[Sam Taggart]

So they were lying.

[George Severis]

So they were fully lying. So you just gabbing. They're gabbing with Peter where they were, like, talking shop, like, gabbing, like, what are you working on? Like, who's attached? And Ryan is like, what the fuck?

[Sam Taggart]

Well. And Ryan, of course, retaliated. Ryan retaliated by taking a phone call that took, I would say, one hour.

[George Severis]

Yeah, no, he was. He sold a show.

[Sam Taggart]

He was selling a show and he was negotiating the contract live on the phone.

[George Severis]

So he then left his laptop. And by the way, please welcome Greta. Titled it.

[Greta Titleman]

Sorry, Sorry, I. This is just too enthralling.

[George Severis]

So he left his laptop inside the coffee shop, slash, fast casual restaurant. By the way, they need to figure out what they're doing with their chicken over there because it was rubbery af.

[Sam Taggart]

This is a call in.

[Greta Titleman]

You know, I have a lot.

[George Severis]

And I like tartine.

[Greta Titleman]

I have a lot of things to say about tartine. I will just say this. Bread. Amazing.

[George Severis]

Period.

[Greta Titleman]

Period pastries. Amazing.

[Sam Taggart]

To die for. Let's start there.

[Greta Titleman]

Other stuff. Question mark.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Let's get back in that work room.

[Sam Taggart]

Let's get in the lab.

[George Severis]

Let's get in the lab with a.

[Greta Titleman]

Pen and the pad, trying to get this damn label off. You know what I'm saying?

[George Severis]

Yeah. Let's put those goggles on and put your phone away. Silent mode. Do not disturb.

[Greta Titleman]

Really focus.

[George Severis]

It's time to do one more pass.

[Sam Taggart]

Set a timer for a half hour. Say I can look at my phone number.

[George Severis]

Yeah. Do pomodoro method.

[Sam Taggart]

Yes.

[George Severis]

25 minutes. Let's try to make that chicken taste a little bit less rubbery.

[Greta Titleman]

I want you guys to know that the lyric that I did quote was from a Dr. Dre and Eminem song, which is very straight, so I just wanted to say it again. You said, you need to get back in the lab, and I said, with a pen and a pad, trying to get this damn label off. That is from still Dre. Yes. Yes.

[Sam Taggart]

Wow. I had no idea.

[George Severis]

It is true, and I say this respectfully. It is true that Dr. Dre and Eminem as a duo, are one of the straightest sets of co workers.

[Greta Titleman]

One of the straightest. I mean, honestly, they were. You guys are kind of the Dr. Dre and Eminem.

[Sam Taggart]

Many are podcasting.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah. And who is who is really the question.

[George Severis]

Well, now we're getting back into top and bottom, because obviously Dr. Dre is in charge, and we can't.

[Greta Titleman]

I want to say this really quickly to what you were talking about.

[George Severis]

Up top. Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay.

[Greta Titleman]

Because I should have just nudged my way in. Anyway, I want you to know Sam also played my assistant in Los Espookies.

[Sam Taggart]

We need to talk about this. And there were times when I would get too lost in the role, and I'd be like, I'm an assistant. I literally am a worker here, and I'm the assistant.

[George Severis]

Were you getting lost in the role and ordering him around?

[Greta Titleman]

Well, I'm always doing that.

Is she lost in a role or is she just living her life?

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. No. I was feeling there were days where I would be like, damn, I'm an assistant.

[Greta Titleman]

You're my subservient little piggy.

[Sam Taggart]

Yes.

[George Severis]

Come to my room.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

For you to show up in pinstripe, I'm assuming the row trousers and an off the shoulder cashmere sweater. Go on an office ready kind of loafers with a ballet twist.

[Greta Titleman]

They're Belgians.

[George Severis]

Belgians is what they're called.

[Greta Titleman]

Yes.

[George Severis]

Okay. So I never knew the name Belgian and Belgians, but now I'LL never forget this, like, triangle shape or the bow.

[Greta Titleman]

Well, it's specifically this shoe. So this is an iconic loafer, and they only have one actual location, and it's in New York City, and it's on.

[George Severis]

What's the brand?

[Greta Titleman]

Belgian shoes.

[George Severis]

Oh, literally, it's called Belgian shoes.

[Greta Titleman]

Literally, it's called Belgian shoes. And they only have one location. And you have to go and get specifically measured. Like, your foot needs to get measured. And then the amazing thing about these loafers, they're the most comfortable.

[Sam Taggart]

No key or kickbox.

[Greta Titleman]

They're the most common.

[Sam Taggart]

What's the amazing thing about these loafers? Yeah, tell us. Tell us what's the most amazing thing about these loafers, Greta?

[Greta Titleman]

So you buy them and then you.

[Sam Taggart]

Let's start there.

[Greta Titleman]

I can't even say this with a straight face.

[George Severis]

Lifetime guarantee.

[Greta Titleman]

You buy them and then you have to wear them for 24 hours. Like, not straight. Like, you need to walk in them for 24 hours, break them in. And the thing is, they don't have soles on them when you first get them. They just have a leather bottom. So you walk around so that your foot imprints gorgeously into the shoe, and then you take them to your cobbler or back to the store, and then they put the rubber sole on after. But that's after 24 hours of wear.

[George Severis]

So when you're wearing something I've ever heard, first of all, you're making this up. When you're wearing them pre sole, you're just kind of feeling the rocks on your feet.

[Greta Titleman]

No, no, no. You' like, it's. It's like this. Do you see. Do you see this part of the sole? This part you're just. You're walking on, like, a sole they just don't have. It's just leather on the bottom. So there's no. And they do that so that your foot can cush down on that and sort of make it the most comfortable shoe on foot.

[Sam Taggart]

The most you.

[Greta Titleman]

Yes, the most.

[Sam Taggart]

You need the shoe that's close to you.

[Greta Titleman]

Exactly.

[George Severis]

So then when you're walking into that boardroom wearing your pinstripe. The rope pants.

[Greta Titleman]

Exactly.

[George Severis]

People are saying, oh, she walked 24 full hours in that shoe before I got it. Sole on.

[Greta Titleman]

She's dedicated.

[George Severis]

She's dedicated.

[Greta Titleman]

She is not back from a challenge.

[Sam Taggart]

You know what this. It's like when you get a crown and they give you, like, a temporary one to, like, let you work it out a bit.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

And then you come in and get the real one.

[Greta Titleman]

Exactly. Yes. And you know, I want you to know my mind went to jewelry for the head. And then I realized you're talking about teeth.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, I'm talking about teeth. Oh, yeah.

[George Severis]

No, you're saying when you get your crown fitted and Greta's like, uh huh, uh huh.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay. I remember my first crown fitting. Yes.

[George Severis]

You have to wear it for 24 hours first. And then they put all the. And then they put all the emeralds in.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah. Okay. Okay, great. Yeah, mine was a little tight at.

[Sam Taggart]

First G really stretched out. And you wouldn't think it would because.

[Greta Titleman]

It'S gold, but gold is actually a bit more.

[Sam Taggart]

But it's pretty malleable.

[George Severis]

Malleable? Yeah. Well, the cheap stuff is really rigid, but you have to get the one that can, like, fit your hands.

[Sam Taggart]

If it's quality, it does bends.

[George Severis]

Quality.

[Sam Taggart]

If it's quality, it does bend.

[George Severis]

Do you feel like crowns. Like, we've run out of trends so much that it could be that just crowns become a trend and you see people walk around just wearing like, old fashioned, like, Burger King crowns.

[Greta Titleman]

I mean, I personally would love that.

[George Severis]

That would be sort of fun.

[Greta Titleman]

I think that that's a return to. A return to wonder. A return to let us dare to dream.

[Sam Taggart]

You know, I think we are already, like, returning to feudalism. So it's like the crown, like, makes a lot of sense. Yeah, I even think.

So. I don't know how much time you spend on TikTok, but I.

[Greta Titleman]

A lot.

[Sam Taggart]

Do you ever get into, like, fashion trends and, like, see, like, this is.

[George Severis]

What'S coming into fashion trends?

[Sam Taggart]

No, but like, specifically TikTok predict, which are insane.

[Greta Titleman]

What are they saying?

[Sam Taggart]

Well, they're like, this spring it's gonna be all about little sailor hats. Like, trust. I have seen. I've been to fashion week. I was at Milan and I kept saying little sailor hats. So you're gonna be seeing a lot of little sailor hats. And it's like, I see what you mean, but that's also not gonna happen.

[George Severis]

Well, I mean, with nautical, it's complicated because they've been trying to make it happen for decades.

[Greta Titleman]

I know they really are trying to make fetch happen. And it has in many ways feel like. I don't know. I feel like bod, for example, has done a lot of good nautical work. I think Chanel historically has done a lot of good nautical.

[George Severis]

Yeah, but BOD veers into clown quickly.

[Greta Titleman]

Yes. I think Ralph Lauren, I would say, is like nautical light.

[George Severis]

Like the nautical stripes.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Kind of a very shapeless sweater with nautical stripes.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Paired with A jean. Yeah.

[Greta Titleman]

And like, you know, maybe like a little.

[George Severis]

A pair of Belgians.

[Greta Titleman]

Exactly.

[George Severis]

Do they come in other colors?

[Sam Taggart]

Do they come for masculine, Masculine men like us?

[Greta Titleman]

Yes, they do. I can't wait to. I'm gonna take both of you guys in New York.

[George Severis]

I actually have a thousand dollars that's been burning a hole in my pocket.

[Greta Titleman]

Well, I can't wait.

[George Severis]

You're like, that'll get you one out of two.

[Greta Titleman]

When I show you. I have three pairs right now. Looking to buy my fourth. When I show you the wonder of colors and combos and materials they have.

[George Severis]

I can't wait.

[Greta Titleman]

You guys are going to cream your pants.

[George Severis]

You know, when I was growing up, I thought the most expensive shoe one could have was Tod's. Are they flop now and everyone's going Belgians?

[Greta Titleman]

I. I've never heard of toms. Yes, you have.

[Sam Taggart]

I've heard of toms.

[Greta Titleman]

No, you've heard of Tod's. You've heard of Tod's at uva. You've seen Tod's.

[Sam Taggart]

What are Tod's?

[Greta Titleman]

Okay, when we were like, in high school, do you remember those loafers that had the, like, the like rubber soles that were dots?

[George Severis]

Imagine instead of a sole, it's just black dots.

[Sam Taggart]

I'll show you. Oh, God. Oh, sure, sure, sure. A driving moccasin.

[Greta Titleman]

Exactly. Oh, a driving moccasin. That's gorgeous. Yes. Okay, I want to say this. And this is me trend forecasting. And I. I do think we actually.

[George Severis]

Haven'T done some good trend forecasting in a while.

[Sam Taggart]

We need this. We need this.

[George Severis]

Get the ball rolling.

[Greta Titleman]

I believe. I don't think Todd's actually went anywhere in terms of being in or out. I think it just felt dormant.

[George Severis]

Okay, but do you think. Dormant in our community. But do you think, like, in the Upper east side or in Beverly Hill or like. Yeah, like in the Upper east side it ever left?

[Greta Titleman]

No, no, no.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Greta Titleman]

I think Todd's for men and women over the age of 60 has remained a staple in their lives. Just like Bali. A brand that we would never buy. But, like. But that is an upper side. Exactly.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, sure.

[Greta Titleman]

So I think Todds what we're going to see. And I think the gen zers are.

[George Severis]

Oh, she's British.

[Greta Titleman]

Yes, absolutely. Are gonna inches there. Like, I would not be surprised if. Springtime I see a girly pop walking around in a baby pink Todd with that driving moccasin. You know what I mean? Because the moccasin.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Greta Titleman]

Has made a comeback. We see Miu Miu doing it. We See a bunch of different brands doing it. I'm seeing something I never thought would happen again. People wearing Minnetonka moccasins again.

[George Severis]

Okay, so you're saying they're gonna return to Todd's in the way that it's like. It's like your dress first came back semi ironically and now people are back to being like, no, no vintage J. Crew roll neck sweater.

[Greta Titleman]

Correct. Yeah, correct. Normcore. Everyone was like, oh, ha ha ha, Normcore. And then everyone was like, oh, wait, New balances.

[Sam Taggart]

That's literally what we're just wearing.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Greta Titleman]

And that's it. And it's no longer normcore. It's just normal. Yeah. It's just clothing.

[George Severis]

I see. So it's all the arc of justice leads to Todd's.

[Greta Titleman]

Yes. And I think that Todd's are going to have a moment sooner rather than later.

[George Severis]

I could see it.

[Greta Titleman]

You're scaring me. Where everyone's like, oh, we gotta get the driving moccasin, maybe. Honestly, I'm gonna buy a pair, period. Sorry.

[George Severis]

I mean, you're stopped blanching.

[Sam Taggart]

You're stopped blanching.

[Greta Titleman]

I wanna buy disgusting color. I want to buy like lavender. Yes, exactly, exactly. A lavender Todd.

[George Severis]

Lavender suede. Todd's will.

[Greta Titleman]

That will cure my seasonal depression.

[George Severis]

You need a Capri with that. Of course. A white, white Capri.

[Sam Taggart]

Of course I have something. Do you ever, like. I wish so badly that my, like.

Style could just not want to be preppy. Everything I ever do, it's like when I try to get edgy, even slightly, I'm like. And let's add a, like, twist.

[George Severis]

A boat shoe.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, literally. And I can't not try to be like a little preppy. And it's like, Stop it, stop it.

[Greta Titleman]

The thing, though, for you and I feel the same way about myself because we are from similar. We've had similar experiences growing up in similar places.

The preppiness, we can't avoid it.

[Sam Taggart]

It's like the base level.

[Greta Titleman]

It's our plague.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Greta Titleman]

You know, and I think that you can't run. You can't run, you can't hide.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Greta Titleman]

Here's the thing. You look really cute in a button down.

[Sam Taggart]

It's true.

[Greta Titleman]

Your butt looks great in a chino.

[George Severis]

It's true.

[Greta Titleman]

You look amazing in a wallaby.

[Sam Taggart]

Thank you.

[Greta Titleman]

You know what I'm saying? And it's like, let's not reinvent the wheel.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Greta Titleman]

I don't need to see you in a max.

[George Severis]

Winner once told me basically that, like, everyone has an archetype that they are most tied To. And your fashion is like your commentary on that archetype. You know what I mean? Like, you can't actually reinvent the wheel. All you can do is be like, wouldn't it be interesting if a, you know, assigned preppy at birth person wore Supreme?

[Greta Titleman]

Yes.

[George Severis]

Like, that's. What if Sam is in Head to Toe supreme, that's not the. The same as Bon Iver being in Head to Toe Supreme.

[Sam Taggart]

Correct.

[George Severis]

Sam is doing. Okay, so I'm preppy and wearing supreme, and that's that Bon Iver is doing. I'm man of the woods wearing supreme and aging father, and that's that.

[Greta Titleman]

Yes. But you know what's interesting about. About supreme and brands like supreme and Noah and things of that sort. Especially Noah. That is rooted in.

[George Severis]

That's true. Supreme is a bad example because it literally is rooted in.

[Greta Titleman]

Yes, but it's like.

[George Severis]

Like, it's like if Sam wore Hood by air.

[Greta Titleman]

Sure.

[George Severis]

Like, it would be.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

It would be like, okay, so this preppy guy is wearing hood by air.

[Greta Titleman]

Or like, if you were to come to me and, like, head to Toric Owens, I would be like, oh, it'd be iconic. You know, I'd be like, we're doing.

[George Severis]

It because, you know, my dream is to be one of those people that wears, like, all, like, Yoji comme des garcon.

[Greta Titleman]

But that is you, because you, to me, your essence, like the George essence. You are giving hyper intellectual European.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Greta Titleman]

And that is what you are, and that is how you are dressed. This is how a very successful, gorgeous, smart European man dresses.

[George Severis]

And your archetype you were assigned at birth is like, stepsister.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, no, it's fully evil stepmother, period.

[George Severis]

I don't want to age you up and say stepmother.

[Greta Titleman]

Honey, mothers can come in any age.

[Sam Taggart]

Especially when they're stepmothers.

[Greta Titleman]

There are mothers that are 15.

[George Severis]

That's very true.

[Greta Titleman]

You know, a whole TV show.

[Sam Taggart]

We actually need to stop assuming mothers are old. Mothers can be 15. Yeah.

[Greta Titleman]

Mothers can be 15.

[Sam Taggart]

In fact, maybe. Maybe they all are.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah, that's it. There you go.

[Sam Taggart]

Wow.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Have you ever tried to, like, really break out of your norms and be like, you know, today I'm full Rick Owens or something?

[George Severis]

Oh, you would. You could do Rick Owens.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah, I think. Cause I think that I like. I think that I'm like the Venn diagram of the two of you. I think I am like, I think.

[George Severis]

I meet in the middle half preppy, half European. Your words, European, intellectual. Correct.

[Greta Titleman]

Correct. I think, like, I can do a Rick Owens moment, but I think Yeah. I mean, I definitely have tried to, like, experiment with, like, my look, but.

[George Severis]

Don'T you think you're also Carolyn Bissette, Quiet luxury Tribeca in 1998?

[Greta Titleman]

I do, but my one pushback to that is. And I do. And obviously, that's the highest compliment one can achieve because she's so chic. The older I get, the more I also do, like, color and pattern and fun.

[Sam Taggart]

Like, I was wearing full gray. Yeah, full gray.

[George Severis]

Full gray. In the black Belgians. Full gray, Black Belgians. Little jewelry, clear glasses.

[Greta Titleman]

I have.

[George Severis]

Oh, didn't see her poncho.

[Greta Titleman]

Green poncho and. And a navy purse.

[George Severis]

That's black, sweetheart.

[Sam Taggart]

There's a lot of gray in that navy.

[Greta Titleman]

I just want to say.

[Sam Taggart]

God, I love a pop of color. Like, olive.

[George Severis]

Olive and black.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Greta Titleman]

Oh, olive. It's so exciting you can accessorize your.

[George Severis]

All gray outfit with some olive and black.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah, no, I guess. Yes. But I do sometimes like to be funky town.

[Sam Taggart]

No, it's true.

[George Severis]

It's true.

[Greta Titleman]

Sometimes, like at Sam's wedding, for example, I was in, like, a colorful dress.

[George Severis]

I had friends, of course, and I.

[Greta Titleman]

Was wearing, like, pink pumps.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Lavender tods show up to the wedding in lavender Todds.

[Greta Titleman]

I was wearing my lavender Todds. Of course. Yeah. I was wearing my lavender to be moving. My gray capris. Yeah. My beige Shaw.

[Sam Taggart]

Of course.

[George Severis]

Canary yellow Lacoste.

[Greta Titleman]

Exactly.

[George Severis]

Short sleeved.

[Greta Titleman]

Actually, it's funny that you say that, because I have been hunting.

[George Severis]

What, a canary yellow Lacoste?

[Greta Titleman]

A canary yellow Burberry quilted jacket. Remember that?

[Sam Taggart]

I can see that.

[George Severis]

Yes.

[Greta Titleman]

And I'm gonna tell you this. Carrie Bradshaw wears one season three or four. She's in some chaotic outfit, you know, asking about style interventions, iterations.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Greta Titleman]

There have been moments, like, as I've gotten older, where I can be watching Sex and the City, and then I'll notice I'm wearing socks and pumps and, like, a mini short and, like, a fucking crazy top. And I'm like, what is. I think I'm Carrie Bradshaw.

[Sam Taggart]

I do think you are Carrie Bradshaw. That makes sense.

[Greta Titleman]

Sometimes I can do that. And then when I do that, like. Like the other day I showed up to dinner with Mitra, and I was wearing, like, like, rumpled down socks with, like, metallic pink heels and, like, black capris. And then, like. And I'm just like, what is this? And I truly was like, I'm so sorry. I was watching Sex and the City as I was getting dressed to come here.

[George Severis]

You know what it is with you? You never know. If you're gonna get Carrie or sjp.

[Greta Titleman]

There you go. Yeah, there you go.

[George Severis]

That's what it is. And with each of them, you're saying, which Greta is gonna come?

[Greta Titleman]

Which Greta's gonna come.

[Sam Taggart]

Wow. Yeah, that's really scary.

[Greta Titleman]

But you know what I also think is scary now? And I was just thinking about Club Comic and like, at the time, it's.

[George Severis]

Like Sam's solo show.

[Greta Titleman]

Oh yeah. Sam's iconic solo show. And it's like bondage, leather harnesses, whatever. To me, all of that is now so mainstream.

[Sam Taggart]

It's really norm. It's really norm.

[Greta Titleman]

Wearing a leather harness. Like you could show up to a meeting at fucking Kaiser Permanente in a leather harness and they respect you. They would. You could go to your finance job in like a tasteful leather harness.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, there's a Taylor Swift picture where she's wearing like the futurist female shirt.

[George Severis]

No, she's wearing a this is my fight song T shirt. And she's wearing a harness in. Wrong side. What's it called?

[Sam Taggart]

Like, backwards.

[George Severis]

Backwards. Thank you.

[Sam Taggart]

There was like the harness.

[Greta Titleman]

See, Sorry, that European. She was hanging out. Wrong.

[George Severis]

Wrong side.

[Sam Taggart]

Upside down.

[Greta Titleman]

Backwards.

[Sam Taggart]

Backwards.

No, the harness. The harness had like a two year period where it was actually edgy.

[Greta Titleman]

Yes.

[Sam Taggart]

Because before that it was like just sex.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

And then it was like, whoa, it's crazy to wear this out in public. And then it was like, okay, now it's Tinley Chalamet. It's at Target.

[George Severis]

Can I actually say something about the harness? I think like cultural historians will.

Pinpoint it as like when we moved from slower trends to tiktokified faster trends. I think the speed with which the harnessed went from. From subcultures to Timothee Chalamet to literally like lame. Like now you look. If you were to wear harness now on a red carpet, it would be so 2000 late. Like it's no longer cool. And it's only been like a couple of years. That's true. I really think that set the stage for the sort of like schizophrenic TikTok fashion mix and match algo thing that we're dealing with now where suddenly you're in lavender todds, Right?

[Greta Titleman]

I'm in lavender todds and I'm wearing underwear over tight. You know what I mean?

[George Severis]

And you're at the Oscars, you're at the osc.

[Greta Titleman]

And you were nominated by supporting actress.

[George Severis]

Director, by the way.

[Greta Titleman]

I win. You know, it's like.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

And you're like, fuck you, Glenn Close.

[Greta Titleman]

And I'm wearing my crown.

[George Severis]

Yeah. And Glenn Close is in full lingerie.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah. Well, it's like when all of a sudden, we saw Jamie Lee Curtis's titters.

[George Severis]

Ta. Ta's. Remember?

[Greta Titleman]

Like, if you. But a few months ago, do you not remember this?

[George Severis]

There was a photo where it's like, suddenly Jamie Lee Curtis has, like, giant balls.

[Greta Titleman]

It's just stacked.

[George Severis]

It's amazing.

[Sam Taggart]

No, no, it's true.

[Greta Titleman]

It's incredible. And I loved it. And I was like, oh, my God, that is freak.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. No, that's nice.

[George Severis]

One of our great. One of our true comedic greats. Insane person, but a real true comedic great.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, well, you have to be insane.

[George Severis]

That's right. I know.

[Greta Titleman]

It's like, we all are.

[Sam Taggart]

Good luck not being insane.

[Greta Titleman]

I mean, if you're not, literally, what.

[George Severis]

Do people expect from Jamie Lee Curtis? For her to be like, I read this interesting article in the New Yorker. You're not gonna get that.

[Sam Taggart]

I had this thing recently where I watched A Beautiful Mind.

[George Severis]

Oh, thank you for bringing it up. Go ahead.

[Sam Taggart]

I watched A Beautiful Mind on a plane, and I had never seen it before.

[Greta Titleman]

Was it on our flight?

[Sam Taggart]

It was on the plane back.

[Greta Titleman]

Okay. But sorry, Sam and I have a plane.

[Sam Taggart]

No big deal. We rode the same plane together. Yeah.

[Greta Titleman]

That's also on our plane.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

But I watched the Beautiful Mind, and it was like, you know, spoiler alert to all.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

When he's like. He's like a genius, but then he's like, oh, God, I'm seeing people. It's all made up. They're all fake. And every, like. All the patterns I've been seeing are just me losing my mind, which I think is obviously genius. And it's an amazing commentary on mental health, where actually, if you just ignore it, it goes away.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Not only does it go away, you win the Nobel Prize.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, it's good.

[George Severis]

Yeah. It's good for you.

[Sam Taggart]

If you're mentally ill, ignore it.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

And get in that chemistry lab.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

And get cooking with a pen and.

[Greta Titleman]

A pad trying to get this damn label off. Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Obviously. Because I want. I was like, wait, this movie's to die for. It's incredible.

[Greta Titleman]

Yes.

[Sam Taggart]

And then I was sort of, like, thinking about how, like, I do think when people get really good at, like, acting or, like, comedy, like, you have to, like, allow your mind to loosen up enough where you're kind of soft. Going insane.

[Greta Titleman]

Yes.

[Sam Taggart]

And then. And, like, some people can hold it together for the whole life.

[Greta Titleman]

Yes.

[Sam Taggart]

But some people obviously just lose their fucking mind.

[George Severis]

Yes, of course.

[Sam Taggart]

And just start seeing patterns where there are none or. Yeah.

[Greta Titleman]

Some people.

Stop having the ability to lose their mind. And that's like a whole other thing that I think we see in performers where.

[George Severis]

Yeah. Rebel Wilson.

Go on. She used to have a sense.

[Greta Titleman]

Right. People can be like, they exactly. Like, they used to have this thing that's just, like, gone. Like, where did it go? And I. Lindsay Lohan, Honestly, I mean, I have not.

[Sam Taggart]

Name a man.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah, you're really interesting. You're just attacking women.

A lesbian and a bisexual woman.

[George Severis]

Well, you know, it's almost as though they lost their sense of play because society was so hard on them that it was, like, siphoned, like, was beaten out of them.

[Greta Titleman]

I'm sure.

[Sam Taggart]

I'm sure.

[George Severis]

I'm trying to think if that has ever happened to a man.

[Greta Titleman]

Oh, yeah. A million and one.

[George Severis]

Like, who is a man that used to be. Has such a sense of play and imagination as a younger.

[Sam Taggart]

I kind of have one. I kind of have one.

[George Severis]

No, go ahead.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, not an actor. Okay, hear me out. Kid Rock.

[George Severis]

Musician. Kid Rock.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Greta Titleman]

Okay.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Greta Titleman]

Well, he. To me, he just went so insane.

[Sam Taggart]

But he fully just lost his mind.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

And it's not that he's lost tons of play. It's that he. He has, like, too much.

[George Severis]

Okay, you're absolutely right that it happens more with male musicians than with male actors, because male actors are just, like, rewarded as they get older.

[Greta Titleman]

Mel Gibson, I would say, like, he really, like, fucking.

[George Severis]

Well, he just became insane. But don't you think that if you put Mel Gibson on a set and you were like, action. He would still, like, put in a really amazing performance?

[Sam Taggart]

I'm not supposed to say that.

[Greta Titleman]

I mean, I don't know.

[George Severis]

I wouldn't want him to be on that set.

[Greta Titleman]

This is a good thought experiment. I don't know.

[George Severis]

I, like, legitimately think he would. If anything, he's so crazy now that it would be, like, an even better performance.

[Greta Titleman]

You think he'd play?

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Whereas I think, like, oh, God, Kanye.

[George Severis]

Whereas, I think, oh, Kanye.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

But again, we're literally looking for the opposite, for people who have less crazy.

[Greta Titleman]

That went less crazy.

[George Severis]

Like, it's like, this isn't.

[Greta Titleman]

I have one. I have one. But I don't think it can be. I don't want it to be recorded.

[George Severis]

Okay. Okay.

[Greta Titleman]

Like, I need this to be deleted.

[Sam Taggart]

This will not be recorded.

[George Severis]

This will not be recorded.

[Sam Taggart]

I think what in the Beautiful Mind metaphor is that? I'm trying to think of people that, like, just lose a sense of reality. It can either be play or no completely. And I think that's where the.

[George Severis]

Because you have to. As you're saying, it's necessary to lose reality a little bit so that you can create and create outside the confines of the real world. But then you have to be able to be like. And that's done. Time to do a promo video at the Conde Nast video offices.

[Greta Titleman]

But then, you know, then we could get into the bigger conversation. And I am reading a book on new physics right now. So this.

[George Severis]

New physics.

[Sam Taggart]

New physics.

[George Severis]

So old physics is what?

[Sam Taggart]

Old physics is over and over. New physics. Sailor hats.

[George Severis]

New physics. Sailor hats, Lavender todds.

Sailor hats, lavender tots. White capris.

[Greta Titleman]

White capris.

[George Severis]

So tell is this sort of string theory?

[Greta Titleman]

There's string theory in there. But I guess the point is about losing touch with reality, you know, then we can get into the headier conversation of what is reality but our own perceived. You know.

[George Severis]

And now you're getting into the Kanye territory.

[Greta Titleman]

And now we're getting into Kanye.

[Sam Taggart]

And this is how you get creative, how you lose it.

[Greta Titleman]

But I will say this on a serious note.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay? Thank you for getting serious.

[Greta Titleman]

I went to my acupuncturist last night. Night Diva had an incredible session.

[George Severis]

This was on the plane.

[Greta Titleman]

On the. On the plane. On our plane.

[Sam Taggart]

On the plane.

[Greta Titleman]

Our acupuncturist.

[Sam Taggart]

I was doing deep tissues on the plane.

[George Severis]

You bring him little sex.

[Greta Titleman]

Did you say you were just with Julian Assange?

[Sam Taggart]

No, I thought I was getting deep tissue massage.

[George Severis]

Julian Assange. That's someone who lost a sense of play.

[Greta Titleman]

Yes, definitely.

[George Severis]

Okay, great example.

[Greta Titleman]

Here's what I. I would like to make an announcement. If you are a hacker. Yeah, Like, I need. I need the vigilante hackers to rise. I need the V for vendettas to rise. I need Anonymous to actually do the damn thing.

[George Severis]

I know.

[Greta Titleman]

You know what I mean? Literally, because this is for Anonymous. You guys fill us with so much hope. Like, there was a moment there where you were my Christmas morning. You were. You know what I'm saying? And I was like. I truly was. Like, we are going to be okay because we have a. A hacker community called Anonymous that has our back.

[George Severis]

You're so right.

[Sam Taggart]

It's how capitalism ruins everything. Because hackers are just trying to steal your money.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Hello. That's not what you should be doing. You need to be releasing the codes.

[Greta Titleman]

Correct?

[George Severis]

And, like, release the codes, release the files. Yeah.

[Greta Titleman]

That's all that I'm asking.

[Sam Taggart]

Put them on the mobile in Times Square.

[Greta Titleman]

Release the files. Put them on.

[George Severis]

Can someone just release the files?

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah, just put them.

[Sam Taggart]

Take the files in Times Square, upload the PDF to Times Square. Let the world see.

[Greta Titleman]

That's it. The big Spotify vertical one.

[Sam Taggart]

That would be big.

[Greta Titleman]

Launchless.

[Sam Taggart]

Scroll, scroll, scroll. Take that over.

[Greta Titleman]

Yes.

[George Severis]

All the billboards in Hollywood where all they do is put one ad for some peacock show so that the star can see it when they're driving home. Put the PDF there.

[Greta Titleman]

What are you saying?

[Sam Taggart]

You know what the thing is? It's like, they're hackers, but they're not dreamers.

[Greta Titleman]

Well, I wonder. Have hackers collectively lost their sense of play?

[Sam Taggart]

Lost their sense of play?

[George Severis]

You're absolutely right. And you know why.

I'm going to say this. There were a few bad apples, and suddenly everyone was like, all hackers are evil incels. All hackers are, you know, like, you know, toxic. They're not Girl with a Dragon Tattoo. They're actually secretly doing sexual assault.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, sorry, keep going.

[George Severis]

And then. And so then all the good ones were like, oh, well, I don't want to be associated with this. I guess I'll just, like, sort of get a job at the Apple Genius Bar, right? And then, like, do a twitch stream at night, right? And it's like, how about you go back to your roots and release the files?

[Sam Taggart]

Release the file. Julian Assange.

[George Severis]

Yeah, no, that's true.

[Sam Taggart]

Good. Bad reminders.

[George Severis]

It's complicated because didn't he release the files? He did release the files.

[Sam Taggart]

That's good.

[George Severis]

Yes, that's good. Then there were various accusations against him. Obviously, that's bad.

[Greta Titleman]

Yes.

[George Severis]

But then, of course, you start doing Beautiful Mind, and you're like, were the accusations levied by people who didn't want the files to be released?

[Greta Titleman]

It becomes a very slippery slope because then, now we're losing our grip on reality. Now we're conspiracy theorists, you know what I'm saying? And Julian Assange, not necessarily conspiracy theory, but we have seen historically, that when you do something, there are bigger powers that can ruin your life and that can.

[Sam Taggart]

You know, I love this podcast.

[Greta Titleman]

And here's what I'm gonna say. Pamela Anderson, as we know, best friend with Julian Assange.

[Sam Taggart]

Right.

[George Severis]

They used to date at some point.

[Greta Titleman]

I think that they were seeing each other at some point. And if Pam Anderson, who I do believe is pure.

[George Severis]

I agree.

[Greta Titleman]

I was gonna say the word energetically pure.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. Mind, body, spirit.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah. If she is letting him in, that's all I have to say.

[George Severis]

A friend of Pamela is a friend of mine.

[Greta Titleman]

Exactly.

[George Severis]

Pamela Summoned, by the way. Way. Lost her sense of play. Gained it back.

[Greta Titleman]

Yes.

[George Severis]

Lost her sense of play because she was beaten down.

[Greta Titleman]

Yes.

[George Severis]

Found herself in her garden.

[Greta Titleman]

Y.

[George Severis]

And with Julian.

[Greta Titleman]

Yep.

[George Severis]

Gained it back.

[Greta Titleman]

And you know what? I actually think. Speaking of losing sense of play and getting it back, that I think really helped her, too. And was her son. That was like.

But the one that was the.

[George Severis]

The one that made the documentary.

[Greta Titleman]

The one that was like, people love you.

[Sam Taggart]

Yes.

[Greta Titleman]

Like, people really love you. And I think kind of, if we want to talk about, like, the Lindsay Lohan of it all, too, it's like, Lindsay, like, we love you.

[George Severis]

I know. I have a son. So he can grow up and tell you.

[Greta Titleman]

I love. This is why we need to be having sons, to remind mothers that they are loved.

[Sam Taggart]

Literally.

[Greta Titleman]

You know, it's true.

[Sam Taggart]

It's true.

[Greta Titleman]

But we do need. I need more hacker activity. Like.

[George Severis]

No, it's true.

[Greta Titleman]

Asap. Asap. Asap.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, and I think I. Here's a way in. Rick Owens.

[Greta Titleman]

Yes.

[Sam Taggart]

Your models should be hackers, period.

[George Severis]

Oh, my God.

[Sam Taggart]

We need to rebrand hackers. Not as bad, but as chic and as fashion.

[Greta Titleman]

Wait, let's put this out into the ether.

[Sam Taggart]

Yes.

[Greta Titleman]

The next Rick Owens show. Because, you know, it's always a thing.

[Sam Taggart]

It's a thing.

[George Severis]

Edward Snowden, hacker.

[Greta Titleman]

Live. Like, they are live hacking. It. Had to tell Rick.

[Sam Taggart]

Yes.

[Greta Titleman]

And maybe they make, like, harnesses. We can have some harnesses that has computer. And they're hacking down the Runway.

[Sam Taggart]

You know, that sounds amazing.

[Greta Titleman]

I think that.

[Sam Taggart]

That the Runway itself is a screen with the files.

[Greta Titleman]

Yes, yes, the files.

[George Severis]

They're live hacking. And as they release one file, it's on the screen. They release another file, it's on the screen.

[Greta Titleman]

Here's a question. What are. And I want to hear both of your answers separately. What are you.

[Sam Taggart]

That's crazy. We normally answer the exact same time.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah, when you hear the exact same answer, the exact same words, same time. What is your. What are your dream. What's your dream? Fil. To be released.

[Sam Taggart]

Wow. Whoa.

[George Severis]

Okay. Wow.

[Sam Taggart]

This is the dream file.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah. Like, you get to pick. You're You. We are in our bunker, okay? And we just cracked open, like, geyser level files. You get to pick one file to release into the world.

What one are you picking? Why are you picking it? And what do you think the fallout will be for humanity?

[Sam Taggart]

I want the file that's like. This is like. It's a bit of a safe choice.

[Greta Titleman]

Okay.

[Sam Taggart]

And I'm sorry that I'm choosing the Safe choice. George and I had a conversation yesterday how we want to be edgy.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Greta Titleman]

We're no longer safe, my love, you are Americana prep. Having the safe choice is very on brand for you. And let's embrace that.

[Sam Taggart]

Let's embrace the safe choice. I want the file to be released. That's photographs.

[Greta Titleman]

Okay.

[Sam Taggart]

And it's photographs of, like, evil Republicans, but they're like, like, laughing it up with who we think are good Democrats. And it's like in a secret layer, and behind them it's like, there's like a formula where it's like, you guys win this year, we win this year. That's how we keep everyone in the cycle. And I go, oh, my God, it's true. They're all in cahoots.

[Greta Titleman]

Have they sacrificed Is like, did they sacrifice something? Like, is there, like, some sort of sacrificial. Are you thinking, like, in the Illuminati sphere?

[Sam Taggart]

I think it's like, it's not necessarily Illuminati as much as, like, high business. Okay. It's like, high business. And it's sort of like they're negotiating, like, with. With a big lawyer.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

About, like, how each of them will profit this much if they do it this way.

[Greta Titleman]

Right.

[Sam Taggart]

And that's. That's what I hope for.

[George Severis]

Listen, obviously there's a serious answer that's, like, about war. And I'm not going to go there. Here's what file I want released.

[Greta Titleman]

I want to hear that serious answer.

[George Severis]

I'm literally like, show me specifically which civilians have been murdered by which presidents.

[Greta Titleman]

Right.

[George Severis]

Okay, Fair enough. So there's that.

[Greta Titleman]

Fair enough.

[George Severis]

Now my other answer is I want the files showing what numbers across social media have been completely fabricated. There are people that have completely fake follower counts. People we know, by the way.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

People that have completely fake follower accounts. There are things. It is known that TikTok has a button that you. That some people have access to that they can press that can make something go viral. I want to know exactly which.

Pieces of content, which videos, which personalities were at some point helped.

By fake numbers. You know what I mean? By the way, did you know people are getting paid to post on threads?

[Greta Titleman]

Sure.

[Sam Taggart]

George blew this whole thing up for me. People are getting paid people.

[George Severis]

We post on threads.

[Greta Titleman]

Well, what your desire is. Is not dissimilar from my desire. Because. Because what you're kind of saying is, like, you want to know what content out there is basically a psyop.

[Sam Taggart]

Exactly.

[George Severis]

It's literally the definition of like, or, like, industry plant. That's real I want to know which people that I. Sorry. I'll say one thing. At this point, I understand that Kylie Cosmetics is successful. In the beginning, it was fake. In the beginning, that was fake.

[Greta Titleman]

Yes.

[George Severis]

We all know it. I'm not an. It was fabricated that this was a successful business, and then because of that, people started buying it, being like, okay, well, there's already momentum. I'm joining in. And now I get it. It's a successful business. I want to know exactly which levers were pulled to make it seem like a successful business. Year one.

[Sam Taggart]

Wow. Totally. What file do you want released?

[Greta Titleman]

Well, this, I feel like now I get to say, too, because me and George kind of have similar assumptions.

[Sam Taggart]

So the assignment was we all had to say different ones.

[George Severis]

I'm going to say that you created, that you evaluated.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, so I just find it interesting that you make the rules and then you get to break them. I just find that interesting. You know, when we're talking about conspiracies, I can't help but wonder who's got.

[George Severis]

To break in one pair of Belgians and say, suddenly, she's the king of the world.

[Greta Titleman]

I'm sort of the stepmother, some might say. So, yeah, I get to make. I get to have to. No, what I was going to say is I want to know which celebrities, pop stars.

And this also, like, can bleed down to influences. Influences are psyops, like, completely. Because there are some people. And I've been noticing this more and more. People that just like, pop the up where I'm just like, something ain't right. And I'm gonna tell you my conspiracy theory right now. I think the d' Amelio sisters, I think they tried it. I think they were like, I think we have something with these two. And I don't think that they could fully execute on it, which is why now no one gives a fuck about them.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Greta Titleman]

Because to your point, it was like, oh, they all went really viral and, like, they were the most. The most followed person.

[George Severis]

Show me one person who cares about.

[Greta Titleman]

Them is Charli d'. Amelio.

[George Severis]

Show me one person who cares about her.

[Greta Titleman]

To me, I'm just like, what happened?

[George Severis]

What happened?

[Sam Taggart]

Well, this is complicated. There's something I've been working on a theory called foot fetish theory. And it's like. It's this thing where it's, like, deeply, deeply popular, and yet everyone I know is like, not me, not me, not me, not me. And I'm like, I know upwards of 1000 people. All of them say, not me.

[Greta Titleman]

And all of Them take a poll, by the way.

[George Severis]

All of the people, you know, sexually depraved, nasty, positive, open about their kinks. They have other kinks. There are people eating shit.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah, they're eating.

[George Severis]

They're saying, no, foot fetish is not for me.

[Greta Titleman]

They're saying, piss in my mouth. Foot.

[George Severis]

I don't know about feet.

[Sam Taggart]

And yet it's the most popular thing online. And so I'm so confused. The disconnect between reality and Internet.

[George Severis]

No foot fetish is a d' Amelio sister of fetishes.

[Greta Titleman]

Foot fetishes.

[Sam Taggart]

I feel like AI is foot fetish completely where everyone's like, not me. And it's like, okay. This is so popular, though.

[Greta Titleman]

The foot. Foot fetish. Foot fetish has been fabricated by Anglican Christian males to say to their wives, honey, it's just. I'm just in defeat. Okay? And really what they're into is sub piggy play.

[George Severis]

Women in cages.

[Sam Taggart]

And they literally are also being like. They're trying to find a way conspiratorial to cover up people more.

[Greta Titleman]

Correct.

[Sam Taggart]

They're being like, covet those.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah, covet those. Don't show those.

[Sam Taggart]

Feet don't show that.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

And it's like, you can't make up a new thing to hide.

[Greta Titleman]

Also, everyone, no free feet pics.

[Sam Taggart]

This whole thing's up.

[George Severis]

I can't.

[Sam Taggart]

Foot fetish theory is huge.

[George Severis]

No, foot fetish theory is big.

[Greta Titleman]

Wait.

Back to the other.

[Sam Taggart]

What?

[Greta Titleman]

No free feet pics. Something is up.

[George Severis]

Wait, the no free feet pics. This is something people really, genuinely believe.

[Greta Titleman]

Well, people put like. It actually makes me infuriated.

[George Severis]

It's. It's like face for algorithm.

[Sam Taggart]

Yes.

[George Severis]

No free feed pics in face for algo. I'm like, can you literally, like, do a cold ice bath and reset your brain?

[Sam Taggart]

Who started this? Yeah, who started this?

[Greta Titleman]

When people post photos of themselves and use an emoji, I'm just like, sweetie.

[Sam Taggart]

What do you think is gonna happen?

[George Severis]

Someone's gonna jerk it to your feet? Who cares?

[Greta Titleman]

Who cares?

[George Severis]

And you don't think they're gonna jerk it to. Sorry, the rest of your body where you have all of your. You have all your genitals, like, basically out in this photo, but you're hiding your feet.

[Greta Titleman]

Shut up.

[Sam Taggart]

Shut up.

[Greta Titleman]

It's crazy. Oh, wait, the other file that I want to release. Yes, I want to release. I. I think I really. Mine's basic, too. Mine's classic basic. I want to release. And I know that we kind of have. But I want to release the aliens.

[Sam Taggart]

I know literally Just.

[Greta Titleman]

Just show us. Just show us. I want. I want to see end times in the long Spotify billboard. I want to see the anatomy of the aliens. I want to see it, like, laid out like we're in bones. Okay?

[Sam Taggart]

I don't even want it in the billboard in Times Square. I want you to open up the MoMA new exhibit. Aliens we found.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Yes, they are there. Their bodies are there. And you say, here's pretty much what we found. And there's a big, long placard next to it that says, so this alien mostly eats grass and lives in blah, blah, blah. Like, that's what I need.

[Greta Titleman]

You know how, like, do it at the Frick. You know what I'm saying?

[George Severis]

The Frick keeps coming up on our podcast.

[Sam Taggart]

The Frick is like a new trending character.

[George Severis]

And, you know, I still haven't been.

[Sam Taggart]

Me either, of course.

[Greta Titleman]

Or, you know what? Let's do it. I agree. Like, moma, Whitney. Let's make it a moment.

[George Severis]

Well, I like what you're saying. I like what both of you are saying, because to involve the art world in it. Actually, I do think that's what is needed in the rebranding of the hackers is like, they're artists. They're part of the creative community. Because I think people think of them as almost like government. I mean, I understand that they're anti government anonymouses, but they think of them as like computer dark. You know, they're. They're getting your personal information scary. Like, I think we need to bring back this sort of digital optimism in the art world.

[Greta Titleman]

I agree. I also think, like, I'm sorry, Emily in Paris television show.

[George Severis]

Stop there.

[Greta Titleman]

Emily in Paris.

[Sam Taggart]

I'm like, where are you going with this?

[Greta Titleman]

She's psyop number one. Number two.

[Sam Taggart]

Duh.

[Greta Titleman]

Number two. Two. Let's. Why isn't Emily in Paris a hacker? Like, hello.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, Season one. She loves social media so much, then she gets on Reddit.

[George Severis]

First of all, she does high up. Second of all, why isn't she hacker?

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah. Yeah. Are we the only ones? Are we the only ones asking the hard questions?

[Sam Taggart]

No, the way that was actually proved, the way that Emily and Paris was like, okay, no one's actually loving this show. Why did it win this award? And then it was proven that it was because they were bought. And it was like, okay, so it really was. Was like, not beloved.

[George Severis]

Like, it was the fact that ratings across the streaming era are simply openly fake.

[Greta Titleman]

Yes.

[George Severis]

And no one is. But you're still meant to pretend they're not like, you see the Netflix top 10, you're like, you made this up.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, you can just.

[George Severis]

You made it up.

[Greta Titleman]

Also, like, sorry, one other person that I would die to know if they were a psyop, because I think they were Andy Warhol.

[Sam Taggart]

Interesting.

[George Severis]

That is really interesting.

[Sam Taggart]

That is interesting.

[George Severis]

Just saying, that's really interesting.

[Sam Taggart]

I mean, if Andy Warhol is a psyop, then all of New York is. I mean, honey, the 70s.

[George Severis]

The 70s never happened. There's no photographic proof.

[Sam Taggart]

The 70s never happened is the Velvet Underground. I mean, this is getting crazy.

[George Severis]

Well, you know, that's why they call it the Velvet Underground. Yeah, no one above ground ever saw those fuckers.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Greta Titleman]

Put that in your special, George. The Velvet Underground. Honey, no one in Melbourne ever saw this.

[George Severis]

Fuck this.

[Sam Taggart]

And there was another thing.

[George Severis]

Not to be so obvious, but I do also want to know exactly in Hollywood, which men are gay and who has had sex with whom.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, when you die, it should come out.

[George Severis]

Come on.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah, I've heard of it.

[George Severis]

I've heard of a threesome that happened at Juilliard, which I can't mention because I will be shot. There's gonna be a laser on my forehead.

[Greta Titleman]

Well, you need to mention it to us off air.

[George Severis]

Well, of course. Yes, I've heard of a threesome that happened at Juilliard. I mean, I'll say it now and then we'll bleep it. It's. And I believe.

[Sam Taggart]

Sure.

[Greta Titleman]

It's very believable.

[George Severis]

No, no, sorry.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah, yeah.

[George Severis]

I wanna know if that happened. And sorry, I want.

[Greta Titleman]

I want video, I want pics. But I'm sure it happened.

[Sam Taggart]

That doesn't even sound far fetched.

[George Severis]

No, it doesn't.

[Sam Taggart]

No.

[Greta Titleman]

It sounds cozy.

[Sam Taggart]

Quite average.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah. I have a crazy story that I need to tell off air.

[George Severis]

Okay, no, no, no, wait, wait. You'll tell us. This will be a little treat for us.

[Greta Titleman]

But it's about threesomes, okay? It's about Hollywood celebrity threesomes.

[George Severis]

I mean, Hollywood celebrity threesomes. People don't know the kinds of depraved things that are happening in the Hollywood Hills. Yeah, we're talking foot fetishes.

[Greta Titleman]

I live in those hills. And honey, weird things are happening.

[Sam Taggart]

Pervy. Pervys stuff.

[Greta Titleman]

Curvy stuff. Do you want to know my. My topic?

[George Severis]

Oh, yes, yes.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, wait, we need to do our first segment.

[George Severis]

Okay, let's very quickly do our first segment and then go right into your topic because it's a really good topic.

[Sam Taggart]

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[Greta Titleman]

10 athletes will face the toughest job interview in fitness that will push past physical and mental breaking points.

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[Sam Taggart]

Watch it on prime video starting January 8th.

[Greta Titleman]

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[Sam Taggart]

Okay, our first game is called Straight Shooters. In this segment we ask you a series of rapid fire questions.

[George Severis]

Basically this thing.

[Sam Taggart]

Just the other thing. The only rules. You can't ask any follow up questions or we'll scream at you.

[Greta Titleman]

Okay?

[Sam Taggart]

Okay. Greta.

[George Severis]

Yes.

[Sam Taggart]

Triple Axel or Little Rascal?

[George Severis]

Triple Axel, Vegan tortellini or Linda Cardellini?

[Greta Titleman]

Linda Cardellini.

[Sam Taggart]

Going to the lake house or throwing out that stained blouse?

[Greta Titleman]

Going to the lake house.

[Sam Taggart]

Nice.

[George Severis]

Jacob Elordi or eating disorder.

[Greta Titleman]

Eating disorder.

[Sam Taggart]

Losing the thread or ooing from head.

[Greta Titleman]

Ooh, wing from head.

[George Severis]

Oh, this was a listener submitted one from David Shout out listener. David Epinephrine or Nora Ephraim.

[Greta Titleman]

Oh, Nora Efren.

[Sam Taggart]

Recipe for disaster or the cinematography in the Master.

[Greta Titleman]

Oh, I'm gonna go. Cinematography of the Master Hollywood Macha latte.

[George Severis]

Yerba mate or Don Quixote Don quixote.

[Sam Taggart]

Wow.

[George Severis]

Okay. 1,000 DOS. All right. What. What's your topic?

[Greta Titleman]

Febreze.

[Sam Taggart]

Fuck Febreze. I wanna pause. Yeah. I cannot believe we just spent, like, 40 minutes doing conspiracy theories.

[George Severis]

Oh, by the way, I love it.

[Sam Taggart]

It went.

[George Severis]

Favorite episode in months.

[Sam Taggart]

Fashion, conspiracy theories, Febreze.

[Greta Titleman]

But this is what they want us.

[Sam Taggart]

To do.

[Greta Titleman]

And I'm gonna say it right now. Febreze. Psyop.

[George Severis]

Okay.

[Greta Titleman]

Febreze. And I have a lot to say about Febreze.

[George Severis]

So here's a. Here. I'm literally gonna give you the flavor floor.

After I say the sentence.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

On the one hand, I could see it being a psyop. On the other hand, there is something that is so, to the average mind appealing about it that I could also see it being completely in earnest. It's like people just see on tv, you can have a spray that fixes it, right? And they're like, well, of course I.

[Greta Titleman]

Want that, but what is that? And I'll tell you what that is.

[George Severis]

Yes, Go.

[Greta Titleman]

Do I have, like, two minutes to.

[George Severis]

You have literally as much time as you want.

[Greta Titleman]

Okay. Febreze.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh.

[Greta Titleman]

It's been marketed to us as so many things. Room spray, fabric spray. It started as fabric spray, and the way that that kind of was, and it always kind of made me sick was, that's stinky. Don't wash it. Just spray it down with Febreze. Huh. Interesting concept. So you're saying if something's dirty and smells like shit, that I don't need to wash it. I can just be a nasty little fucker and spray it with an aerosol spray that smells putrid, mind you. So the reason why I think it's a psyop is it promotes.

[Sam Taggart]

So the question is, is it straight culture?

[Greta Titleman]

It's straight culture. And straight culture. It's the straightest thing that it can be.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Greta Titleman]

Why? Well, first, let's start with that. It's so straight. Specifically, it's for who doesn't have time.

To give themselves the pleasure of something that smells good. A frazzled dazzle mom.

[George Severis]

Exactly. Or a frat guy that it's either frazzled mom who literally doesn't have time, or frat guy that doesn't own cleaning supplies.

[Greta Titleman]

Correct. Correct. Who doesn't have the skill set. Straight men. Who is. Who does not want to learn or have motivation to learn the skill set? Straight men. And this is where I go back to psyop, which is when we allow people to live in not even mediocrity sub below. Actual bare fucking minimum, then we leave them without skills. So then when we have people without skills, they become helpless, they become dumb. They're not learning, they're not growing, they're not challenging themselves. That's Febreze.

[Sam Taggart]

This is. So you're. It's. It's essentially by. I'm actually loving the conspiracy side of this.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

To. It's sort of like taking away public education.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Introducing Febreze.

[Greta Titleman]

Yes.

[Sam Taggart]

Where it's like, we will have masses that don't know how to clean.

[Greta Titleman]

Correct.

[Sam Taggart]

So we can control them.

[Greta Titleman]

Correct. And we can't.

[Sam Taggart]

They will need us.

[Greta Titleman]

They can't do the laundry. I'm sorry. Like, gay people are doing the fucking laundry.

[George Severis]

Fabric softener.

[Greta Titleman]

Always. I have never once gone into a queer person's home and gone. Is that the putrid smell of, like, petunia linen that, like it says on a Febreze can never. I've never even seen it in a. Anywhere.

[George Severis]

No. Gay people will introduce you to a new brand of dryer sheets that they got from Denmark.

[Greta Titleman]

Correct. Correct.

[George Severis]

I think the education element is really interesting because what happens is you take what away? Home economics. Like, just the idea of knowing how to live your life. Like, just how to, you know, how to sew back, how to sew a button back on a shirt. How to, like, how to clean, how to. Whatever. And then what you get is Febreze. In the same way that when you take away civics classes, what you get is Donald Trump.

[Greta Titleman]

Yes.

[George Severis]

Like Febreze is the Donald Trump of cleaning products.

[Greta Titleman]

Yes.

[George Severis]

It's a quick fix for something that is a systemic problem.

[Sam Taggart]

Also, it's, of course, to sell product. You're making it so people don't know how to do anything, so they have to buy a thing to do it for them.

[Greta Titleman]

Oh, your room reeks of shit. Literally. Just like vacuum clean your floors and, I don't know, spraying a mask. It's a Band aid.

[Sam Taggart]

It's a Band Aid.

[George Severis]

It's a Band Aid.

[Greta Titleman]

And straight culture is often putting Band Aids over problems.

[George Severis]

Well, it's completely. And it is a complete lack of curiosity about where that problem came from. Like, you have a gaping wound. You're not gonna think, how did I get that? You're gonna put a bunch of Band Aids on it and keep going through the woods.

[Greta Titleman]

Exactly.

[George Severis]

Just like being cut by every branch in your way. I would go so far as to say all sprays are straight.

[Greta Titleman]

Yes.

[George Severis]

It's one of the straightest forms of.

Matter. Because if you think about, like, a body spray instead of deodorant it's like, no, use a deodorant. It's better.

Any kind of room spray. Instead of a candle, it's like, use a candle. It's gonna be better for your room.

[Greta Titleman]

Lysol Spra.

[Sam Taggart]

Exactly.

[George Severis]

Lysol spray. Instead of like a more sort of like, viscous type of clean.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Like a spray is this promise of a quick fix.

[Sam Taggart]

It's tech.

[George Severis]

It's tech.

[Sam Taggart]

It's tech.

[Greta Titleman]

And also, you can't see it. Isn't that fun? You just put it in the air. Oh, my God. I didn't even see the thing that cured all my problems.

[George Severis]

Meanwhile, you're dying slowly because you're inhaling like the ozone layer within is being destroyed.

[Sam Taggart]

And you're voting for whoever they tell you to.

[Greta Titleman]

And also that canister. Straight. True, True, true, true. And I would just like to list you some of these. I would say deranged sense that only a straight mind.

[George Severis]

Yes.

[Greta Titleman]

Only to be honest with you, a straight male mind would come up with. And let me just go back off of my Todd's. Okay, so we, of course, have Febreze. Ocean.

[George Severis]

Jesus Christ.

[Greta Titleman]

Okay, now that's a big concept, my love.

[Sam Taggart]

There's a lot of parts of the ocean.

[Greta Titleman]

There is a lot.

[Sam Taggart]

Do you mean the trash island floating in the Pacific?

[Greta Titleman]

And if this weren't straight, it would say Febreze, and then it would say coastal Maine.

[Sam Taggart]

Thank you.

[Greta Titleman]

Now that. Now we're specific.

[Sam Taggart]

Specificity is important.

[Greta Titleman]

Now I know what I'm smelling.

[George Severis]

Ocean breaks my heart because it's like. So you've never been there?

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

The person that wrote, the person that came up with that is like, I actually saw one movie that was set in the ocean. Finding Nemo, and I wonder what it smells like.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah. Nemo. Oh, my God. I wish it was called Nemo's Ocean. And that would be beautiful.

[Sam Taggart]

That would be nice.

[Greta Titleman]

Now the next one. Gain.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, the brand.

[Greta Titleman]

Correct. And that's sinister. That's a collab between Febreze, Febreze, and Gain. So here's. And here's why I think this is so even more dark. It's. You're not going to do your laundry, but I'm going to make it smell like the laundry.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh.

[George Severis]

Whoa.

[Greta Titleman]

Scary. And now here's one that. This one's really sending me to the void. My mind is Febreze. Scent. Heavy duty.

[George Severis]

Oh, no.

[Sam Taggart]

The scent is heavy duty.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

Oh, you're. You're throwing a. You're throwing a holiday party. You haven't cleaned your house in five Years. You're saying I'm desperate here.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Heavy duty. You gotta get Febreze. Heavy duty. Heavy duty. Surely this will fix everything. Yeah. Your guests come, they drop dead on the spot.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah. My mother died because of heavy duty. Febreze inhalation.

[Sam Taggart]

That is so scary.

[Greta Titleman]

The other sense that I'll just quickly say bamboo.

[Sam Taggart]

Kind of love that one.

[Greta Titleman]

Spring and renewal.

[George Severis]

Oh, my God, I'm gonna cry.

[Greta Titleman]

Golden orchid. No cranberry. For the holidays.

[Sam Taggart]

For the holidays. Well, that's kind of fun.

[Greta Titleman]

And then I do think a gay guy did this. I think a gay guy did these two Bora Bora waters.

[George Severis]

Oh, yeah. And that gay guy is. He's 47 fillers like you've never seen in your life.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Muscle Tang.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Greta Titleman]

But guess what? He never stopped wearing Tod's.

[George Severis]

Never.

[Sam Taggart]

Never. The stomach is hard as a rock.

[George Severis]

He stopped wearing them for one summer when he discovered the giant Balenciaga sneakers. And he would do muscle tank, giant Balenciaga sneakers. Yes.

[Greta Titleman]

Yes. And then he also named Honeysuckle.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, that's fun.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah, that's fun. That's cute. Yeah. Crazy.

[Sam Taggart]

That's making me laugh.

[Greta Titleman]

Oh, he also did Mediterranean lavender.

[Sam Taggart]

He's like, I travel.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah. He's like, trust me, sweetie. The weekend that I did on the catamara.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, I never want to forget those Mediterranean waters.

[Greta Titleman]

He's like, next up is Febreze teak.

[George Severis]

You know, hey, the Mediterranean lavender is like. Lavender isn't Mediterranean.

[Sam Taggart]

What are you talking about?

[George Severis]

You just combine two things.

[Greta Titleman]

Hello. It's French. It's French.

[Sam Taggart]

Damn. Well, that is scary. I didn't realize how many flavors there are.

[Greta Titleman]

No, it's scary. And when I.

[George Severis]

It's like Yankee Candle.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah, yeah. But at least Yankee Candle. You're giving me kind of back to the conversation of losing your mind or whatever. When you're lighten that sense of play. Yeah, you're giving me a sense of play. Febreze. You're giving me bare minimum. I'm not even thinking about the quality of my life. Yankee Candle. You are thinking, oh, I want a gorgeous candle in my house. Are those fragrances for me? No, but that person wants to treat themselves. They want the glow of a candle, the feeling of a candle, the slow burn of a candle. The Febreze. When I see a can of Febreze anywhere that's not a bathroom in a gas station, my heart breaks. I see it and I say, now, this is a person that needs to put their feet on the grass and take a moment.

[George Severis]

And the gas station Bathroom is so apt because it's like, okay, think about every gas station bathroom you've been to. They all have a can of Febreze. Now think about your home. You're modeling it after a gas station bathroom.

[Greta Titleman]

You need to love yourself.

[Sam Taggart]

You know what it is if you have Febreze in your home that you use regularly. I recommend. I recommend watching Portrait of a Lady on Fire.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Like, you need to, like, experience a depth of emotion.

[George Severis]

I recommend purchasing a silk scarf and just putting it on your skin.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah. And just feeling it.

[George Severis]

That's just the contact drape. Just drape it. Even just like throw it and see how it lands.

[Sam Taggart]

That's beauty.

[George Severis]

That's natural beauty. And then kind of try to internalize that and say, what if this scarf were to lead me down a different path?

[Greta Titleman]

Exactly. And you know what people should know A fun fact about Febreze and what led me to this topic is.

My home had.

Termites. Very common in Los Angeles.

[Sam Taggart]

So they say. That's what my landlord said.

[Greta Titleman]

Very common, very annoying. Guess what is the biggest deterrent for termites? Febreze.

[Sam Taggart]

Really?

[Greta Titleman]

And this made me respect. Because I said, wow, they don't want to be anywhere near. They want to eat a hopeful home. They want to eat a home that, you know, has soul.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Greta Titleman]

They smell that Febreze. They say, oh, these people. I don't want to eat this home.

[Sam Taggart]

It's like.

When an animal is raised ethically and in theory, it tastes better.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Greta Titleman]

Homes are the same.

Isn't that crazy?

[Sam Taggart]

That's really crazy. Termites.

[Greta Titleman]

Febreze.

[Sam Taggart]

Febreze. I gotta start.

[Greta Titleman]

I do have a. So there is a bottle of Febreze, I will admit, in my home because of the termites.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Greta Titleman]

But if anybody ever clocks that bottle of Febreze, which they never would, I would immediately say, and I want you to know that is where we had a termination.

[Sam Taggart]

That's for the termites.

[George Severis]

And you quickly bring out your Loewe candle.

[Greta Titleman]

Yes, exactly.

[George Severis]

And you hope they forget you're just like, dancing.

[Greta Titleman]

Exactly, exactly.

[Sam Taggart]

I. There's something so funny about Febreze, too, where it's like another straight thing is. It kind of reminds me of like a return to sort of the like, 50s household.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Where it's like, oh, you have. You're sick. Try cocaine.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Like, there's something like about it.

[Greta Titleman]

Oh, that's fun.

[Sam Taggart]

That's fun. It's like this.

[George Severis]

That works, by the way.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Greta Titleman]

But, like, no problem with that.

[Sam Taggart]

Like, these chemicals will save you. It's like, actually like, that's not really the fix. Don't get me wrong. What a blast.

[Greta Titleman]

Febreze is to. Febreze is to cleaning what Go Gurt was to breakfast food, Greta.

[George Severis]

Literally.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

You know, it's also, like to think that a gorgeous Icelandic yogurt with a spoon is a problem that needs to be fixed.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

And rather than a luxury you can have in the bar of a boutique hotel room.

[Greta Titleman]

Well, Ellen DeGeneres honestly had an amazing gogurt joke in one of her specials.

[George Severis]

Well, she's honestly, like, a really good comedian.

[Greta Titleman]

Yes. But her whole thing was like, oh, I can't. Like, I can't go to the movies. Oh, why? I just cracked open a yogurt. It's not like eating a yogurt takes.

[George Severis]

No, it's a free hour.

[Sam Taggart]

You know, it's interesting. Interesting that this is being brought up when George was trying to scarf a yogurt just one hour ago and actually got all of himself.

[George Severis]

I did get all over myself.

[Sam Taggart]

Like, a gogurt actually would have saved that problem.

[George Severis]

What a coincidence. One time, I get yogurt all over myself.

[Greta Titleman]

A gogurt would have been better.

[Sam Taggart]

A gourt would have been better.

[George Severis]

You know what? The Yankee Candle comparison is so interesting to me because here's the difference. Both are straight, of course, but the Yankee Candle customer has the right instinct and the right desire. They just haven't been pointed to the correct direction.

[Greta Titleman]

Yes.

[George Severis]

Like, what they want.

[Sam Taggart]

They're like, we're gonna find what they.

[George Severis]

Want is what they should want. Like, they want this, like, cozy comfort thing. They want to bring a little bit of a Nancy Meyers vibe to their apartment. You know what I mean? Whereas the instinct of the Febreze customer is wrong. The Febreze customer needs to be stopped and re educated.

[Greta Titleman]

Yes. Yes.

[George Severis]

Whereas that Yankee Candle customer just needs to be shown, like, a slightly better version of Yankee Candle.

[Greta Titleman]

And I would say, honestly, I think Yankee Candle Bisex, because I think there are a lot of goodbye slash gay consumers where that is all they have access to.

[George Severis]

It's also not like they don't smell bad. They're a little cloying, but they're not bad.

[Sam Taggart]

No, that's. I just love being like, the candles are a bit cloying, but.

[Greta Titleman]

Well, they are.

[George Severis]

My mom did something where she bought a giant, giant Christmas, like, cinnamon and nutmeg candle.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

And it's so strong that you don't have to light it. The entire house smells like it. And she has not removed it from its perch since two Christmases ago. So every time I go home, I'm talking, I'm assaulted by the smell of nutmeg and cinnamon.

[Greta Titleman]

I mean, I would just like to say Barry's Boot Camp, Studio City. The pumpkin candle is strong.

Strong.

[Sam Taggart]

I want to say that like one of the life's great joys when you live in a town in the Midwest is going to the mall 45 minutes away and going into the Yankee candle store and saying, yum.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay, that one's not for me.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah, that's.

[Sam Taggart]

You're. You're. You're finding taste.

[Greta Titleman]

You know what I actually think is lower than a Yankee Candle?

[Sam Taggart]

Uh oh.

[Greta Titleman]

Is are the candles that people buy that are like cereal, like cereal milk candles. And then it's like wax made to look. Cookies and cream cereal, cookies and cream, cupcake candles.

[George Severis]

I want to say a candle should not smell like food that isn't fruit or vegetable or herb.

[Greta Titleman]

I. You know what's funny?

[George Severis]

It shouldn't smell like cheesecake.

[Greta Titleman]

No. And it's interesting because, like, even with fragrance, like, I'm not a huge gourmand person in like my fragrance notes. And I've tried like some of my friends that like really smell like gorgeous, like musky vanilla. I'm like, oh, my God, that's so sexy and like, like a sexy like 90s, like bombshell. But I've never. Those scents to me.

[George Severis]

What do you prefer?

[Greta Titleman]

I prefer like cleaner citrus.

I love, like fig fragrances. I love like green tomato leaf. I like tomato leaf. I like. Like basil. I like. I like things that are just cleaner. I like more masculine fragrances. I think tobacco. I like tobacco. Not on my skin, but I like how it smells. Musk doesn't do well with me because it like turns on my skin. It smells sour. Fragrance is crazy. And it's just.

[Sam Taggart]

I'm like falling asleep.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah. Sam, like cut to. Actually, this will be. Let's make this a clip. Ok. We're going to. George and I are going to rattle off a bunch of scents and we're just going to slowly fall asleep.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay.

[George Severis]

Okay.

[Greta Titleman]

Okay.

[George Severis]

Santal patchouli, geranium, hydrangea, lavender.

Cannabis.

[Greta Titleman]

Oh, cannabis.

[Sam Taggart]

No, I sometimes. Can I. This is when people describe fragrances. I check out. When people describe food, you check in. I'm. I'm out.

[Greta Titleman]

You're out?

[Sam Taggart]

I'm out. When someone's like, I want a menu to say it's the chicken with this, this, and this. You have three words you can say.

[George Severis]

I have a theory about you with this.

[Sam Taggart]

But when someone's like, someone's describing a food, and they're like, yeah, it's actually really. The garlic is in there, and there's this buttery thing that really brings it out. And there's like. We use some citrus.

[George Severis]

Yeah. We justified the chicken with a bright.

[Sam Taggart]

Light, and I'm just like, okay, get.

[Greta Titleman]

To the point, bitch. Speed it up.

[Sam Taggart]

Is it spicy? Is it? What? What is it?

[Greta Titleman]

You want them to be like, it's a spicy chicken, and the skin is really crispy, and it's good.

[Sam Taggart]

You get. You get four words.

[George Severis]

Yeah. I think your thing with this is you want to maintain the sense of wonder about the world, and you don't like when it's over explained to you. And I actually, that's a positive read.

[Sam Taggart]

No, I would love if that's true. Sometimes I'm like, I'm just like, don't lie. Like, I'm like, you can say all these words to me. What does it taste like?

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah, I, I. I also get frustrated when people, like, don't tell me the process.

[George Severis]

Yes. Oh, I hate when they tell you the process.

[Greta Titleman]

We spatchcocked it, and then we brined it for about 24 hours. And after that brining period, we were able to lock it in with some preserved lemon, and we did that using sugar that we got in Santa Ynez. It's like, shut up.

[George Severis]

Enough.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, enough.

[Greta Titleman]

Also, I'm sorry, if anyone says mouth feel to me.

Don'T say it. The same person saying mouth feel, putting little hearts over their feet and pics. That is the same person.

[Sam Taggart]

God. Wow.

[George Severis]

Wow.

[Sam Taggart]

This has been a really groundbreaking.

[George Severis]

Give that Webby award to Greta.

[Sam Taggart]

And the Webby goes too.

[George Severis]

And the Webby goes to Greta Titleman.

[Greta Titleman]

I going back to my acupuncturist.

[Sam Taggart]

Right. Which I don't think we ever got to the bottom of that story.

[George Severis]

Yeah. Let's circle back. So what happened with the acupuncturist we were talking about.

[Greta Titleman]

Wonder. We were talking about.

[George Severis]

And the acupuncturist has maintained their sense of play.

[Greta Titleman]

Oh, absolutely. But the feeling of peace, People either going crazy or losing it. And I have been feeling, like, I've just been feeling this thing of being like, can I. Like, you know, when you get in those modes where it's like, can I think of any idea? Like, can I think of any new joke? Can I think of any. Like, do I experience life? Like, what is. You know, what is happening? And.

He. And then yesterday, I had a day where I. I was like, wow, I feel really, like, creative today. And he was like, we're gonna focus on opening up your doors. Cause it's like the feeling of, like, the doors. Whatever. In my mind, whatever. It was like I felt like the doors of possibility were open. And I like that analogy of, like, feeling like my mind had all these doors that were open and I could, like, walk through them and explore them. And I think of, you know, maybe some. The Rebel Wilson example, it's like, oh, I just feel like the doors. In her mind, her doors closed.

[Sam Taggart]

Her doors are closed.

[Greta Titleman]

And then you have to have the door, because then if you don't have the door, then you become Kanye inevitably.

[Sam Taggart]

You know what I mean? Yeah. So it has to be able to close too.

[George Severis]

Yes. No, it's like some people have their doors blown out, and they did open concept.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Some people have gone fully open concept up here. It's a loft.

[Sam Taggart]

It's a loft.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah, it's a loft.

[Sam Taggart]

The kitchen is in the toilet. It's in the bedroom.

[Greta Titleman]

Exactly.

[George Severis]

No, yeah, no, it's. And. And. And they were rewarded for going loft. Of course. People are like, you're a genius. This is an amazing debut album.

[Greta Titleman]

We need. We need the people that have the loft minds.

[George Severis]

Yes.

[Greta Titleman]

But you can't permanently live in the loft.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. At some point, you're gonna put up a curtain.

[Greta Titleman]

Correct.

[George Severis]

At least beaded curtain, maybe. Yeah.

[Greta Titleman]

A sheer screen.

[Sam Taggart]

That would be helpful.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Chic.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, that's amazing.

[George Severis]

To go off loft.

[Sam Taggart]

To go loft.

[Greta Titleman]

I mean, I would love to go loft.

[Sam Taggart]

I fantasize.

[Greta Titleman]

Here's the thing. Like, I go loft. Like, when I take acid, I'm going loft. You know what I mean? And to me, I'm like, oh, this is why psychedelics are useful. It allows me to go loft. And then after this experience, I'm like, oh, I know I can go loft. I had fun going loft. And I'm gonna take my experiences from going loft. The reason why my door's open. Not to say that this is all about substances and substance abuse, but, like, I've been dealing with a lot of anxiety. And finally, two nights ago, I took a Klonopin and I woke up and my anxiety had subsided. And. Huh. I'm not in that anxious state anymore. And all of a sudden, like, the doors crack open a little bit, and I'm in a relaxed state, and I'm able to, like, have that conscious experience.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

I wonder if I will ever be able to fully go loft because I. To me, I think my vibe and, you know, feel free to disagree. I feel like, what I try to do is that my doors are cracked open and I'm kind of like. And then I go back.

[Greta Titleman]

But not everyone needs to go loft.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. You're not meant to go loft.

[George Severis]

I'm not meant to go loft.

[Greta Titleman]

No, I think that. I think that you can go loft. I think going loft implies. Implies a loss of control.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Greta Titleman]

Which I think that that's a misunderstanding because I think that you can still go loft while being in control. And I think that I'm a control freak. We're all control freaks here in this very space, this room, as I think a lot of ambitious people are, because we're like, you know, like that constantly. And I think that going loft could also be, like, moments where you're truly relaxed and where you're like, in the moment of being like, wow, like, I'm really relaxed and I'm like, really in my body. I think that, like, meditation can be going lofty. I think that the things that just get us to be out of here, out of this, out of the lavender tods. Exactly. Out of the lavender tods and into the lavender and into the Mediterranean lavender fields.

[George Severis]

Whoa.

[Greta Titleman]

Hear that?

[George Severis]

No.

[Sam Taggart]

Basically, every time I receive an email, a door closes.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Like, I'm like, oh, door. Like, every time I'm like, okay, today I'm writing all afternoon, then I get one email and I'm like, door closed.

[Greta Titleman]

Well, it's like when you get a phone call. Like, when I see, like a rep calling me, I'm like, oh, career over. Hello. You know what I mean?

That's the thing. And it's all fear based.

[George Severis]

No, it's. My doors are becoming panic room with Jodie Foster. It's like they are, you know, bolted steel, bolted to the ground force whatever is trying to get in.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, it's Caroline Politic. You open the door to another door to another door.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Wait, that is about, like, not being able to go loft. You open the door to another door to another door.

[Greta Titleman]

The annoying thing is, like, when you know you can go loft and you feel like you can't, like, you're not. Like you're doing this, and you're just like, I want to go loft. I want to go loft. It's like my. The feeling here is like, I have so much to say. Like, I need, Like, I have so much to give. Like, let me give it. And I think that we all. I know in this business, it's like there are 9 million other people that need to give us permission to give what we want to Give. When really all that we want to do. Release the files.

[Sam Taggart]

Release.

[George Severis]

Release the files.

[Greta Titleman]

That's it.

[Sam Taggart]

I can't believe the movements of this episode. Like fashion, conspiracy theory, Febreze, career advice, to be honest.

[Greta Titleman]

Release the files.

[George Severis]

When we are. When we were at our most, you know, flying through the air in this episode, like, yes, I felt like I went loft. And I honestly, honestly think. Not to get too emotional. I honestly think, like, my most loft moments of my life over the last six years have been when Sam and I reach a place of like, full brain meld and I can like, actually let go. Because what it is, is we are building. We have adjacent apartments and we're knocking down the walls and building. And building one big apartment.

[Greta Titleman]

You're in Inception and you're building the city.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. No, that's really true. That's really true.

[Greta Titleman]

And building the dream.

[Sam Taggart]

Wow. Wow. Amazing. Got a. What a fucking delight.

[Greta Titleman]

And can you believe this is me? One and a half cold brew.

[Sam Taggart]

Really?

[George Severis]

I'm actually.

[Sam Taggart]

I only had one.

[Greta Titleman]

We did go loft full on.

[George Severis]

This is my second. And to be honest, like, it's. I'm shaking.

[Greta Titleman]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

And I have. I think I'm gonna go to the gym after this. And I'm gonna lift £5 million. You should.

[Sam Taggart]

Wow. Should we do our final set?

[George Severis]

Yes.

[Sam Taggart]

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[Greta Titleman]

10 athletes will face the toughest job interview in fitness that will push past physical and mental breaking points.

You are the fittest of the fit. Only one of you will leave here with an IFIT contract worth $250,000. This is where mindset comes in. Someone will be eliminated. Pressure is coming down. This is Trainer Games.

[Sam Taggart]

Watch it on prime video starting January 8th.

Shh.

[Greta Titleman]

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[Sam Taggart]

Our final segment is called Shout Outs, and we pay homage to the grand street tradition of the radio. Shout out. Shout out anything that we enjoy. People, places, things, ideas.

[George Severis]

And we think of them on the spot.

[Sam Taggart]

We think of them on the spot.

[Greta Titleman]

Okay. And I have something that I want to shout out.

[Sam Taggart]

Literally. You go first. It never happens.

[Greta Titleman]

You go, oh, wait, no, no, I don't.

[George Severis]

But it's fine. You're a veteran of the pod.

[Greta Titleman]

You go, well, it just came to me. And this is going to be so. I actually hate that I'm shouting this out. I'm going to Apollo bagels in New York City.

[Sam Taggart]

Keep going that.

[Greta Titleman]

I. I bit into one of their bagels, and guess what? It brought me an immense amount of joy.

[George Severis]

Yeah. That's one of the ones you hear about. You're like, that's the trendy place that everyone's going to. Yeah, but I don't want to wait in the line.

[Greta Titleman]

Here's the thing. I'm not a bagel. I'm not a bagel person.

[Sam Taggart]

I'm not.

[Greta Titleman]

I'm not someone saying, guess what? Never wait in line to courage bagels. I'm not doing it.

[George Severis]

No.

[Greta Titleman]

I walked by Apollo Bagels. No line, ordered myself a little white fish salad on a bagel. I got it. It was.

I despise people that eat and walk, especially in New York. I'm like, this is not the place. This is not your dining room. I understand. We're all in a rush. This is New York City. City that never sleeps. We're moving.

[George Severis]

We're moving.

[Greta Titleman]

We're moving. Ny minute. I get it. Diva. Pull to the side and eat. Or just like I was walking and eating with this bagel. It was so divine.

[George Severis]

That's amazing.

[Greta Titleman]

And I was just like, you know when you have that moment where you just say, food is amazing.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Greta Titleman]

And I really just. I think it is so good. I want to shout that. And I would love to shout out Belgian loafers once more.

[Sam Taggart]

Shout out.

Okay, you go first.

[George Severis]

I might have done this one.

I've never done it as a shout out. So I'm just gonna do it. But if I've mentioned it before, don't comment. Access the loft and move on. Okay. What's up, crazy? What's. Hold on.

[Greta Titleman]

Oh, wait. The style of radio. I didn't do that.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, it's fine.

[George Severis]

Okay. What's up, New York New Yorkers? Welcome to Zoran New York. Thank you so much for getting out there and making your voice heard. I want to give a shout out to the bread and tomato cocktail at Schmuck, the bar in the East Village. Greta, you have to go there. It opened only the last couple years. It's after your time in New York. They do this cocktail. And I'm not normally like a artisanal cocktail girl. It tastes like dipping a piece of bread into the remnants of a tomato salad. It has that freshness, like the tomato and olive oil. And literally, they do toast infused vodka, so it kind of tastes like toast. I'm telling you, this is exactly the kind of thing that, like, would go TikTok viral and I would be rolling my eyes. I went there, I ordered it, my eyes were ready to roll. I said, ready, set. I had. I had them primed so that they were about to do this. Instead, they rolled to the back of my head because of how good it was.

[Sam Taggart]

Wow. Wow, wow.

[George Severis]

Yeah. So shout out.

[Sam Taggart]

I think I've maybe done this before, but just to bring it back down to earth. What's up? Everyone around the globe, I want to give a shout out to the frozen pizza that is Digiorno. I have to go a bit Febreze on this. And I have to say that Digiorno pizza takes me back to childhood in a way that maybe nothing else does. When I'm having Digiorno pizza, I say, I am a kid. I am playing video games and just wait an hour. I'm about to get break and bake cookies. There's something about the softness and the sort of. There's an uncanniness to a Digiorno.

[Greta Titleman]

Sweetness.

[Sam Taggart]

There's a sweetness to a Digiorno.

[George Severis]

It's a dessert.

[Sam Taggart]

It's a dessert, and it's a dessert pizza. And of course, do I want it every day? No. But when I come home, I came home from New York and I said, I don't want to order fucking LA pizza. I want to get a Digiorno.

[Greta Titleman]

Sweetie, it's not delivery. It's DiGiorno.

[George Severis]

DiGiorno.

[Sam Taggart]

And I. And it was the best thing I could have ever had that night.

[Greta Titleman]

And can I say something?

[Sam Taggart]

Yes, please.

[Greta Titleman]

It's Not Febreze. Know why you're using the oven?

[Sam Taggart]

You're using the damn oven. That's cooking, as far as I'm concerned, is cooking.

So shout out to digiorno. I don't know what you guys are doing, but never, ever change.

[George Severis]

Wow.

[Greta Titleman]

Love that.

[Sam Taggart]

Xoxo, Sam.

[George Severis]

That's Domino's for me. I have to say Domino's. I'm like, I'm. In my childhood, anything is possible. And I'm ready to press play on my Big Fat Creek wedding, honestly.

[Greta Titleman]

And that's funny, because that's. That is Pizza Hut for me.

[Sam Taggart]

Really?

[Greta Titleman]

That was a Pizza Hut. We were a Pizza Hut family. We were a Domino's family, and then.

[Sam Taggart]

We were a Pizza Hut family that transitioned to a Domino's family.

[Greta Titleman]

Well, we had a moment where we transitioned to Papa John's, and then I got, like, sickly addicted to that garlic butter sauce.

[George Severis]

And then to take it to the hospital.

[Greta Titleman]

Well, and then I was like, this is too much. And then my mom kind of was like, I don't want to see you eating that. Like, okay. So, you know.

[Sam Taggart]

Wow. Well, this has been amazing.

[George Severis]

Greta, would you like to practice, promote your tour dates?

[Greta Titleman]

Well, see, here's the little. Here's the little.

[Sam Taggart]

This will be coming out a few weeks.

[Greta Titleman]

Well, here's the thing.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Greta Titleman]

Here's what I want you to do. I want you to follow me on Instagram. Okay. At Gerty Bird. Or I want you to follow me on Tik Tok. Honestly. But really, either. Either or. Because I am taking. I'm not. You know, I'm taking a little hiatus from tour as we enter into the new year. But then in 2026, I will be going to Philippines, Philadelphia. I will be going to my hometown, Washington, D.C. and I will also be back in New York, and I'll be doing the show back here in la and, you know, maybe a bunch of other places. Oh, I think. I think I'm gonna try and go to Toronto. What do you think?

[George Severis]

Oh, my God, we love Toronto. You know, I'm going next week, so.

[Greta Titleman]

Wow.

[George Severis]

I'm moderating Alison Roman's book event.

[Greta Titleman]

Oh, my God, not to brag.

So, yeah, just kind of keep your eyes on the space and period.

[Sam Taggart]

That's what we're always.

[Greta Titleman]

When I'm in your city.

[Sam Taggart]

Release the files.

[George Severis]

And by the way, release the files if you take one. If any hackers are listening, please release the files.

[Sam Taggart]

We trust your politics. We know you're good people.

[Greta Titleman]

Start, like, literally just start.

[George Severis]

Yeah, we would love help if Anyone out there that's cooking the numbers wants to work with us. We could definitely use more followers.

[Sam Taggart]

Totally cook those numbers.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Bye bye. Podcast ends now.

[George Severis]

Want more? Subscribe to our Patreon for two extra episodes a month. Discord Access and more by heading to patreon.com Stradiolab and for all our visual learners.

[Sam Taggart]

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[George Severis]

Now get back to work.

[Sam Taggart]

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[George Severis]

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[Sam Taggart]

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[George Severis]

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[Sam Taggart]

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[Greta Titleman]

10 athletes will face the toughest job interview in fitness that will push past physical and mental breaking points.

You are the fittest of the fit. Only one of you will leave here with an IFIT contract for $250,000. This is where mindset comes in. Someone will be eliminated. Pressure is coming down. This is Trainer Games.

[Sam Taggart]

Watch it on prime video starting January 8th.

[Greta Titleman]

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[George Severis]

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[Sam Taggart]

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[George Severis]

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[Sam Taggart]

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[George Severis]

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[Greta Titleman]

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