"Going Home" w/ Jo Sunday

Summary

Podcast Summary: StraightioLab – "Going Home" with Jo Sunday (Oct 14, 2025)

Main Theme:
This episode of StraightioLab sees hosts George Civeris and Sam Taggart joined by comedian Jo Sunday for a far-reaching (and very candid) deconstruction of "going home" as an essential pillar of straight culture. Their conversation, both playful and thoughtful, ranges from the mechanics of ending a group hangout, to clothing anxieties, the taboo of sincerity, hierarchy in social situations, and the existential dread—and glee—of saying goodbye.

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Opening Vibes & Fashion Anxiety

Timestamps: 06:12–12:00

• George and Sam open post-lunch, discussing their food cart choices, which leads quickly to a chat about how they're "good at separating while together"—enjoying different food, but in each other's company.

  • "It was so us to sort of not even question, should we eat at the same food truck?... We have an amazing way of separating while together." (Jo Sunday, 06:33)

• The trio slides into a comedic argument about J.Crew chinos and wardrobe longevity, confessing clothing longevity anxieties, and the iterative process of trying and failing to find your ‘look.’

  • “I wonder if I’ll ever know how to dress myself or if I'm going to be 95 on my deathbed and be like, do these fit?” (George, 07:59)
  • “Branding is false, but going from short shorts to long shorts… this is sort of the, the like, I’m not presenting a cohesive self. I’m actually presenting someone who like, is lost.” (Jo, 09:14)

Key insight:

Fashion choices—especially for men—are social signals and emotional minefields. The "tightness" of pants or "length" of shorts matters far more to one’s soul/self-image than trends suggest.

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Clothing as Identity; Doula for Denim

Timestamps: 10:10–12:12

• The group muses on how changing the silhouette of your pants can be existentially fraught, joking that there should be “a clothing doula” to guide you through gradual change.
  • “There should be a kind of doula… where you say, I’d like to be at a place where my pants are this width. And they say, okay, we can work on a plan.” (George, 11:05)
  • “We will be dilating your pants over the next six months.” (Jo, 11:21)

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Welcome Jo Sunday: Fear of Disrespect, Social Hierarchy

Timestamps: 12:23–34:00

• Jo says she’s a lifelong listener and playfully amplifies her fear of accidentally disrespecting the hosts, revealing anxiety about social faux pas and hierarchy.

  • “The underside of the fear of disrespect is the shame that I’m carrying through each and every interaction.” (Jo, 26:30)

• The trio get into the social calculus of disrespect:

  • For Jo, being disrespectful is a genuine fear rooted in upbringing (British-Ghanaian/colonial lens), assessing hierarchy in every room she enters.
  • George’s main social fear is awkwardness, not disrespect, while Sam is entertained by the flirtatious tension of playful disrespect.
    • “There’s an element of disrespect that is tense to me in a way that’s a bit horny and a bit exciting.” (Sam, 28:18)

• Discussion expands about "hierarchy brain," especially in comedy/creative circles, and the often mutable, anxiety-inducing pecking order.

  • “There was a hierarchy. And now with the new gay guy, I’m like, okay, so am I bumped down?” (Jo, 50:01)
  • "I do find, like, yes, we separate business and friendship, but, like, everything I'm saying to Sam, I'm saying with love, and everything I'm feeling towards him, I'm feeling in that way. And I think it strengthens both relationships.” (George, 98:12)

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Sincerity, Taboo, Suicide Humor

Timestamps: 18:35–25:00

• They examine if sincerity is now more transgressive than irony or nihilism, and whether sincere profession of mainstream tastes is more suspect than dark or edgy humor.

• The conversation moves to gallows humor and the current status of "suicide jokes":

  • "I think [suicide humor is] back. We're all so nihilistic.” (Jo, 20:15)
  • “Is sincerity taboo?... then the radical thing would be to be sincere?” (Jo/George, 22:37)

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Generational Gaps: The Spice Girls Exchange

Timestamps: 36:10–47:00

• Jo confesses to not knowing the Spice Girls, leading to a comedic “cultural litmus test” exploring generational and pop cultural divides.

  • “Let’s litigate the racism of The Spice Girls names in 2025.” (George, 45:26)

• Jo reveals an upbringing that was "Kimmy Schmidt kind of situation," with strict limits on pop culture, nurturing a kind of cultural outsiderdom.

  • “My cultural references during my upbringing were [just] one VHS tape of Oliver Twist, the musical.” (Jo, 43:03)

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Segment: Straight Shooters

Timestamps: 58:49–61:14
A rapid-fire round of this-or-that questions, played for laughs and absurd answers, e.g.:

• “Diet Mountain Dew or the Taming of the Shrew?” — “Taming of the Shrew.”
  Jo scores 998 out of 1000 doves for her efforts.

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Main Topic: "Going Home" is the Straightest Thing

Timestamps: 62:09–88:36

Key Ideas/Quotes:

• “Going home” is analyzed as an instinct deeply associated with straight culture—signaled physically by thigh patting, back pocket checking, and a ritualistic winding-down at social gatherings.

  • "The straightest thing you can do: pat your thighs, pat your back pocket, reach for your bag: Well, I'll be going now." (Jo, 62:20)

• For straight people, the default is home ("I haven't been out past 8 in 16 years"), while for queers, the default is out and social, with home as the exception.

  • "For straight people, the default is house and the exception is out, Boom. For gay people, the default is out, the exception is house." (George, 64:35)

• The fear of wasting time pervades decision-making about when to leave, driven by anxieties that home is the only space that's productive or proper.

  • “I think there’s a fear that time outside the home is time wasted. As the hours pass, you’re like, ‘I’m pushing it, I’m pushing it, I’m doing something wrong.’” (George, 73:15)

• Jo expresses mourning as friends age and transition toward domesticity/straight couplehood:

  • “Being younger is generally a bit more homosexual to me...I liked when it was like college—anywhere to fucking go.” (Jo, 69:08)

• Pooping and crying at a friend’s house are cited as ultimate markers of comfort and radical communal togetherness.

• The ideal ending to a hangout, per Jo: a massive sleepover, brunch, and group reading time until the next event.

  • “In my dream world, sleepover breakfast. We go to sleep at about 6:30am... then it's group reading time.” (Jo, 82:29)

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Vulnerability, Age, and the Body

Timestamps: 87:26–88:36

• The flexibility and lack of bodily complaints of youth ("I'm anywhere") is in marked contrast to older friends’ needs for home, privacy, and "a good bed."
• "No one has believed that their body would betray them... until it does." (Joe, 87:58)

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Friendship, Business, and Love

Timestamps: 96:27–99:13

• Jo asks about balancing creative partnerships and friendships—a theme mirrored by her own collaborative anxieties.
• George and Sam advocate for clear demarcation between "business meetings" and "friendship hangs," and most crucially, always "parenting with love" (George, 98:12).

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Memorable Moments & Quotes

• On hierarchy:
  "Every time something happens that disturbs the hierarchy, I'm like, that's not right.” (George, 49:41)

• On leaving a hang:
  "If someone gets up to pee, by the time you come back from the bathroom, everyone's gone." (Jo, 64:06)

• On communal intimacy:
  “Crying is the same as pooping... Why are those things so—these are two vulnerable things everyone does—and yet, God forbid you do them around your loved ones. Why?” (George, 76:06)

• On aging out of getting-to-go-homes:
  “Once you start getting privacy, you get addicted to privacy, and then you want even more. The more you get the more you want it.” (Joe, 70:23)

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Final Segments: Shout Outs

Timestamps: 99:14–105:47

• Sam: Shaving in the shower—“I felt like I was in a damn commercial... As we all know, shaving has many cultural implications for me... a psychosexual game I play with myself.”
• George: The 2009 essay collection Changing My Mind by Zadie Smith—defending enjoying fallen-out-of-fashion writers.
• Jo: Accessories—and her Aunt Benonia: “I started wearing this silver cuff on my arm. I walk in a room, people sit up a bit straighter because they know that I am somebody... And shout out to my Auntie Benonia, who recently showed me a great bout of love and care.”

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Conclusion

Timestamps: 105:53–106:02

• The group signs off, with Sam joking: “Alright, well, I gotta go home.”
• Recap: The episode highlighted the emotional and cultural architecture underneath the deceptively simple act of “going home.” Jo Sunday’s warm, analytical, and self-aware presence drove open-hearted discussions about social shame, hierarchy, communal comfort, and aging, all filtered through the unique comedic lens that defines StraightioLab.

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Recommended Listen If:

• You ever stress about the moment a hang ends—or hate being the first to leave.
• You find fashion a source of anxiety, or are still searching for your “look.”
• The mechanics of adult friendship, aging, and group dynamics fascinate or trouble you.
• You crave both big laughs and moments of introspective, emotional honesty.

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Listen for:

• Playful arguments about chinos and shorts (07:27–10:33)
• Generational confusion over the Spice Girls (36:10–47:00)
• Group hangout ethics: when (and how) to leave (62:09–86:16)
• The joys and hazards of privacy, aging, and letting your guard down (70:23–88:36)
• Deeply felt, uniquely delivered shoutouts (99:14–105:47)

Transcript

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[Joe Sunday]

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[Joe Sunday]

Enjoy the episode.

[Podcast Announcer]

Bye.

[Joe Sunday]

Podcast starts now. What's up, everyone around the globe? You are listening to Stradiolab and hello. And hello. We have just had a lunch.

[George Severis]

We both went different food carts.

[Joe Sunday]

Yeah. It actually felt very Austin.

[George Severis]

Yes, totally.

[Joe Sunday]

We both went to different food carts.

[George Severis]

I got falafel, and of course, I got Thai, and. Which is so us.

[Joe Sunday]

It was so us. And it was so us to sort of not even question, should we eat at the same food truck? We said, no, I'm going here. You're going here. I actually think we have an amazing way of separating while together.

[George Severis]

Yes. I completely agree. It is that thing that people say that we're like. Intimacy is being able to be with each other but not speak.

[Joe Sunday]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Which we don't necessarily do as much.

[Joe Sunday]

No, we are speaking.

[George Severis]

We are speaking. But then when it's time, we know where we differ, and, like, we will silently just go, you know, I will. I will go into. What's an example of something that is different for us?

[Joe Sunday]

You can't do this to me.

[George Severis]

I know. I was about to be like, I will go into the J. Crew. And it's like actually going into the J. Crew. You own more J. Crew than I do believe.

[Joe Sunday]

Okay, let's not point fingers.

[George Severis]

No, I actually think you're ravenous for J.

[Podcast Announcer]

Crew. That's not true.

[Joe Sunday]

Don't say that.

[George Severis]

You have literally 15 of those giant chinos.

[Joe Sunday]

I have three.

[George Severis]

That is a lot.

[Joe Sunday]

You need different colors.

[George Severis]

Why am I stigmatizing her giant chinos?

[Joe Sunday]

I can't believe you're doing this to me on Mike.

[George Severis]

I know.

[Joe Sunday]

The thing is, you're right. You forget, with pants, it's so hard because they actually last longer than you think. You think, oh, I'm gonna Wear these for this year. And so it's like. But no, I'm actually gonna wear them for like five years. So now I have these giant pants I've been wearing for. And it's like. And it's sort of like, well, now I want new pants, but I can't because my pants are perfectly fine.

[George Severis]

I wonder if I'll ever know how to dress myself or if this is. I'm gonna be, you know, 95 years old on my deathbed and be like, do these fit?

[Joe Sunday]

Well, you're on your, you're 95 on your deathbed, and you're like, workwear is over. And yeah, I'm wearing workwear. You know, I'm wearing tiny little shorts today.

[George Severis]

And you wore them yesterday or the other recording we did as well.

[Joe Sunday]

Yes. But I want to say it's a very conscious choice because as we all know, tiny little shorts are out. But I actually. They're so out. There's something almost fun about it.

[George Severis]

I agree.

[Joe Sunday]

And so I was like, that could.

[Podcast Announcer]

Be a little twist.

[Joe Sunday]

There's edge in them.

[George Severis]

Again, something people don't talk about is trends aside, the short length that looks good on you actually has to do with the shape of your legs. Some people have better calves, some people have better thighs. Some people have more attractive knees. There are different hair patterns that can come into play. And I think people, it's a losing battle to be chasing short length trends.

[Joe Sunday]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

And it's a very, like, defensive thing.

[Joe Sunday]

It is. I mean, I have long shorts that I wear. I'm not above a trend. Of course I'm human.

[George Severis]

We both have the post lunch sleepies. We have to address it. I'm sorry, words are not coming to me.

[Joe Sunday]

No, but this, I have words. Let me finish this thought and then we can talk about how we are sleepy. I'm screaming, so. But there's something that feels as, as we all know, branding is, is false. You shouldn't, like, be, you know, trapped inside of your own self branding. But there's something about going from short shorts to long shorts back and forth where I'm like, this is sort of the, the, the like, I, I'm not presenting a cohesive self. Like, I, I, I'm actually presenting someone who, like, is lost. Okay, you're speechless. Okay, now we can talk about your. You are sleepy. You are literally unable to think of a word, and it is crazy. You don't even have filler words. There's no. Wow. There's no, there's no. That's interesting. There's no, let me think about that. You can't even think of the filler words.

[George Severis]

Sorry.

[Joe Sunday]

You're saying I'm upset.

[George Severis]

You think that having long. Some long shorts and have short. And some short shorts makes you feel like you are not on brand. I.

[Joe Sunday]

It's beyond the brand, George. It makes me feel like I have multiple personalities.

[George Severis]

Personalities. I mean, you're. But you're also wearing sometimes formal shoes and sometimes sneakers, sometimes short sleeves.

[Joe Sunday]

But that's different. I'm saying that there's something about the short length to your soul.

[George Severis]

Okay. Okay. So a short length is like an astrological sign or like a birthday or something like that. Like it is. It's a break from reality when you go with different.

[Podcast Announcer]

Exactly.

[George Severis]

Okay. I think that. I think that makes sense. Would you say though that that is the case? Pant tightness. Like it. I. Cause to me, it does feel like a conscious decision when someone you know that's wearing a straight fit suddenly shows up and we're talking bootcut.

[Joe Sunday]

I do, and I do think it's. That's why it's so hard for people to change their tightness.

[George Severis]

I almost think there should be a kind of doula that, like a clothing doula where you say, you say to someone, I would like in six months, I would like to be at a place where my pants are this width or. Or my shorts are this length. And they say, okay, we can work on a plan.

[Joe Sunday]

We will be dilating your pants over the next month.

[George Severis]

We will be dilating your pants over the next six months. And you can download this app. It's $59.99 a month and it will give you and I. You can. And we have a tailor we work with and.

[Joe Sunday]

And you return all the pants.

[George Severis]

It's very. You return all the pants. It's very sustainable and eco friendly and we collaborate with a lot of women owned businesses.

[Joe Sunday]

And in six months, people won't even notice that there's been a change. They'll just be like, you look really good for some reason. Do you mean our guest or are you wanting to explore this thought more?

[George Severis]

No, I'm into. I mean, do I think it was the smartest thing I've said so far and finally I was on a roll and now you're suddenly cutting me off. Yeah, a little bit.

[Joe Sunday]

I just feel like our guest was like having. I was seeing light bulbs and I was like, curious to hear what those would be.

[George Severis]

Well, we should get someone else's perspective. Someone who is not currently wearing pants or shorts even.

[Podcast Announcer]

That's true.

[Joe Sunday]

There's a third choice.

[George Severis]

There's a third choice. There's actually many more choices.

[Joe Sunday]

Oh, my God. That feeling when there's many more choices, period.

[George Severis]

So please welcome Joe Sunday.

[Sam Taggart]

Guys, do not get me started on skirt and on dress. We'll be here all freaking night. But can I. Can we actually go back to something this. Okay, well, fuck. Okay already. So. Okay. Of course I was giving you all kinds of faces.

[Joe Sunday]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

But you know what I was thinking while you were talking is I'm so grateful that I don't have to weigh in yet that with the faces I was trying to give you. Yeah, I guess just some active listening. Just some. Keep going. You were making some amazing points. I had no idea where I stood, but you just.

[George Severis]

Ah, ah, ah.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay. This is what I. Okay. Sam Taggart. Nice to meet you. Right, Nice to meet you. Today is day one. I don't want to say. I don't want to disrespect you. Of course.

[Joe Sunday]

Fuck.

[Sam Taggart]

You know what? Long, long, long time. I've been with you guys since day one, since episode freaking one. So I know that you don't take disrespect on this podcast.

[George Severis]

We have actually more than you might think. Me, especially recently.

[Sam Taggart]

You take this George. George takes more disrespect than Sam. And so I need to be careful.

[George Severis]

And would you say that I actually have the opposite reputation? It's like, people would think I would take less respect, but in fact, I take more. You know what I mean?

[Sam Taggart]

Because you're like the smarty pants one.

[George Severis]

No, because I'm like. I like, sort of.

[Joe Sunday]

See, that's not disrespect. That's not disrespecto.

[George Severis]

Like, the idea that I'm more like, particular, like, and opinionated about things. Sam is more chill. Presents as more chill is what I'm trying to say.

[Joe Sunday]

But I think that's almost why I don't take disrespect in the same way. Because when someone is like, tries to be disrespectful, I sort of like. I'm like, no, thank you.

[Sam Taggart]

You physically interviewed.

[George Severis]

Oh, wait, go ahead. I take disrespect and Sam doesn't go ahead.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay. So I just want to be careful because this might come across as disrespectful to you, Sam.

[Joe Sunday]

Yeah, I'm bracing myself. I'm bracing myself.

[Sam Taggart]

Can we please go back to Sam's idea of the one year pant? I'm like, how much money have you had? Every single minute of your life that you Buy pants. And you think, I'll have these for this year?

[Joe Sunday]

No, no, no. You're thinking, what is that?

[George Severis]

It's different for guys.

[Sam Taggart]

I don't know. What are you doing with a pants?

[Joe Sunday]

It's not that I. Actually, it's. It's like. It's sort of like how. I think I'll get there in 15 minutes, no matter where it is.

[George Severis]

Yes.

[Joe Sunday]

It's like, I don't. If someone put a gun to my head and was like, how long will these pants last? I. Obviously, I don't think one year. Like, I'll be like, I don't know, anywhere between three and four years.

[George Severis]

But I think.

[Sam Taggart]

I'm shocked. For me, the default is my lifetime. Anytime anything has happened to any piece of clothing, I. It's like, it's. It's unbearable to me.

[George Severis]

You're wearing clothes that you owned seven years ago.

[Sam Taggart]

Definitely some items. And definitely, like, if I can't. Like, if I've lost them or there's some kind of stain or something. It's very confusing to me and distressing.

[George Severis]

I'm trying so hard not to bring age into this because, you know, that's in the back of my mind. Will happen. What will happen to you in the next. Throughout the next. Throughout the. No, I'm not even talking about that.

[Joe Sunday]

Well, that happens to.

[George Severis]

Well, that does happen, of course, but I. What happens is, as you get older. Jesus Christ, shoot me. Is that you have these periods where suddenly you wake up and you're like, oh, no, I need to. I need to grow up. Like. And it's like, it'll happen first when you're like, 27, 28. And then it'll happen like, another time in your early 30s, and you'll just be like, I can't be wearing this kind of thing. Like, this is. This is across as unserious.

[Joe Sunday]

Oh.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, my God. That I've been feeling from day one.

[Joe Sunday]

It gets really hard to plan for the future, which is why, like, not that I wear it for only one year, but I think only about the year. Like, I'm sort of like, I will have these pants for the year, and then after that, I will find ways to use them, but they won't be my pants of the year.

[George Severis]

Every single photograph of myself from the past, I'm like, you were going through something. Which is why the older I get, the more basic I'm like, okay, so we need clean lines. The shape of your body should not be visible in any way. And everything should be blue and black.

[Sam Taggart]

I mean, I Totally agree. Like, I'm not giving that today, but lately I've been wearing a style that I describe as sack, non binary. Where I got you guys, bedthreads.com has these linen pants made from the same material as they make their amazing bed sheets. And it's just sack. And then you just get a top. There's just another sack right on top.

[George Severis]

And see, here's what's going to happen. Or here's what happened to me.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay.

[George Severis]

You have that realization the first time, and you think you can make it work with Uniqlo. Big mistake. So that is five years right there.

[Sam Taggart]

You started on Uniqlo. You walk, It's. It's shrunk. By the time you walk out of the store, it's.

[George Severis]

Yes. And by the time you get onto the subway, it's actually gone.

[Sam Taggart]

Your shirt is your shirt. You might as well donate it.

[George Severis]

No, the bag disappears.

[Sam Taggart]

The bag disappears.

[George Severis]

Auto donates, and then it goes back.

[Sam Taggart]

To the fabric in the first place.

[George Severis]

Exactly. And you have to put all the clothes in that little weird AI bin where it, like, calculates the cost craze. So first you try to make it work with Uniqlo that lasts five years. Then you're like, well, I have to throw all of this away because it actually has been trash from the moment I paid for it. And it fits not only poorly, but it actually makes me literally aware of insecurities I never even knew I had. And so then you start all over, and you try to make it work using kind of vintage clothing from the 90s.

[Sam Taggart]

You have some chops to get that.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Cool. How disrespectful was it?

[Joe Sunday]

I'm glad you asked. I'm trying to gauge on a scale.

[Podcast Announcer]

Of 1 to 10.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay.

[Joe Sunday]

Because I think what's tough is baseline. I'd say it wasn't that. It was like a 4 out of 4 out of 10.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay.

[Joe Sunday]

But, like. But I'm sort of like, I don't feel that I defended myself properly. Like, I actually feel like I accepted the disrespect in a way that I should have have deflected the disrespect a little bit better.

[George Severis]

You're catching us in an insecure moment. I think both of us. Both of us are kind of someone. I'm like, yeah, someone needs to step up and be the top a little bit.

[Sam Taggart]

Because I am sensing, like, I don't think any of us are well right now.

[George Severis]

And what is it? Stop leaving me voicemails.

[Sam Taggart]

I mean, for me, it's the Ideation. Like how about for you guys, the ideation of suicide?

[George Severis]

Oh.

[Joe Sunday]

It'S just like today specifically.

[Sam Taggart]

It'S what? It's too soon to bring that up.

[George Severis]

Is that your straight topic suicide pants.

[Sam Taggart]

During the pants discussion?

[Joe Sunday]

Well, it's sort of. I think what's complicated about the ideation is that I was thinking that you were going to say like, what's causing the ideation? And you're like, you're just saying like there's no matter the cause. I have the ideation.

[George Severis]

Whereas I thought the issue was the ideation. Like thinking of straight topics. Like ideating. Thinking of straight topics was what was stressing you out.

[Joe Sunday]

I mean, the ideation I love in general.

[George Severis]

The ideation will be a great one person show for you.

[Sam Taggart]

Thank you for.

[Joe Sunday]

Well, because it can mean a lot of things. Because there's also the ideation of like a better future.

[George Severis]

Yeah. And there's also ideating like in a boardroom at a startup. It's like we have to do the big launch and so we have to ideate a plan.

[Sam Taggart]

You can ideate about all kinds of things. I mean, how much would it help my life if I ideated about other stuff than the methods with which got to kill myself.

[Joe Sunday]

Can I tell you guys, I've had this, like, whenever I get really bummed out, I sing this song.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, please.

[Joe Sunday]

That I started when I was walking dogs. And when it would be like raining and cold, I would go, I'm going to kill myself. I'm going to kill myself. It's original. I wrote it while I was walking dogs. And.

[George Severis]

Okay.

[Joe Sunday]

I remember being like, this is such a good song.

[George Severis]

How do you guys feel about suicide humor?

[Joe Sunday]

I think it's back.

[George Severis]

You think so?

[Joe Sunday]

Yeah, I think we're all so nihilistic. It's sort of like, what are we gonna do?

[Sam Taggart]

I think it's tough because I think it's just hard to do it in a way that's interesting.

[George Severis]

Yeah, I agree. I.

[Sam Taggart]

It's one of those things even bringing up the ideation. I'm like, here we go.

[George Severis]

Yeah. And thank you for saying it because I was like, jesus fucking Christ.

[Joe Sunday]

But I more mean like in the sort of like, like it used to be when someone would be like, I'm gonna kill myself, people would be like, don't say that. And now I think people are like, you can say that.

[George Severis]

So maybe that's why now I'm like, well, don't say that. You know what I mean?

[Podcast Announcer]

Sure.

[George Severis]

It's no longer. I really have done a 180 on it. And I used to think people were so sensitive about it, and now I'm kind of like, so what is like, let's actually aim higher with gallows humor. There are actually more grotesque things we can joke that can. That are more, like, complex than the black and white of alive dead.

[Sam Taggart]

No, that's totally how I feel. Like, when I started, basically, probably, like, one of the first dan of jokes I ever wrote was me going on stage and being like, hi, I want to kill myself. And at that time, I was like, oh, here I go.

[Joe Sunday]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Now it's like, you and everybody.

[Joe Sunday]

Anthony Jezzle, Nick found dead in a ditch.

[Sam Taggart]

Boom.

[George Severis]

Yeah, he comes.

[Sam Taggart]

There he is in the ditch.

[Joe Sunday]

In the ditch.

[George Severis]

He was watching, immediately killed himself.

[Sam Taggart]

Day one. I got him. But now, yeah, we need more interesting humor about death.

[George Severis]

Is death even taboo anymore? You know what I mean?

[Sam Taggart]

Right, right.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Joe Sunday]

Like, wait, say that again.

[George Severis]

Is anything taboo? Well, so this is the thing. It's like, when religion is no longer sacred, when institutions are no longer sacred, what is the thing that you want to take down as someone who is doing, like, radical art? Like, what are. What are you trying to undercut?

[Joe Sunday]

This is a stretch.

[George Severis]

Yeah, this is a stretch.

[Sam Taggart]

Let's hear it.

[Joe Sunday]

Is sincerity taboo?

[George Severis]

Oh, so if. Wait, so if sincerity is taboo, then the radical thing would be to be sincere?

[Joe Sunday]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Now, that's interesting. David Foster Wallace alert. So.

[Sam Taggart]

Like, where did you get that idea that sincerity's taboo? Did somebody, like, make fun of you?

[Joe Sunday]

No, I feel that it's, like, not in vogue in any way. I feel it's, like, a quick path to corny. And so I think it's, like. Like, it's not, like, taboo. Like, I'm offended, but I do think it's a little taboo of, like, they're not cool. Yeah, but is that when someone does it? Well, I'm like, wow, you managed. How. How the hell did you do that?

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, I'm. I'm back on board. I hear that. I hear that.

[George Severis]

But that's funny, because that almost makes it even more taboo. It, like, has to be earned. Like, to do it on its own is, like, the ultimate sin. To actually be like, I like Modern Family.

[Podcast Announcer]

Well.

[Joe Sunday]

Well, I do like Modern Family, but it's. See, we can't do it because when we say literally, there's no way for you to say, just saying I like Modern Family is itself a joke.

[George Severis]

Yes. Because you have a mustache.

[Joe Sunday]

Because it's like, what do you mean? You're one of. You're one of the weirdest guys we've got.

[George Severis]

Well, also, of course, you're doing the, like, ironic hipster mustache thing of, like, it's even more cool that you like Modern Family than it would be if you liked Ari Aster. Because it's, like, so funny.

[Sam Taggart]

Right? Maybe I'm still distracted by the ideation, but I'm like, I think, you know, I think, like, if you tried. I think maybe it's in the delivery of. Or maybe. Maybe you guys. Maybe there's. Maybe there's, like, elements of social code that I don't get. Like, I think I. I do. The thing of being like, oh, I'm an immigrant. It's like, right? But you've lived here, like, pretty much your entire life. I'm like, like, if you said, I like Modern Family, I'd be like, great.

[George Severis]

Oh, you're saying you wouldn't take that as like a.

[Sam Taggart]

But also, I don't know stuff.

[George Severis]

What?

[Joe Sunday]

No, like, culturally, that doesn't sound right.

[George Severis]

That doesn't sound right to me.

[Sam Taggart]

I feel that I struggle.

[George Severis]

Why do you think that is?

[Joe Sunday]

What do you think?

[George Severis]

What is a recent thing someone brought up that you didn't know or, like, a reference you were not familiar with?

[Sam Taggart]

Like, everything.

[Joe Sunday]

Like, everything.

[Sam Taggart]

Let me think, Let me think. That's a quest question.

[Joe Sunday]

Like, if I'm like, Spice Girls, I can't picture them.

[George Severis]

You can't picture the Spice Girls?

[Joe Sunday]

Now that's interesting.

[George Severis]

Sorry to attack you.

[Sam Taggart]

No, Is this helping? Is this helping my claim?

[George Severis]

Like, no, that is.

[Sam Taggart]

Actually, I couldn't tell you what their races are, really. I don't know if we should put this on air.

[George Severis]

Like, I'm probably disrespecting stuff. And also. Okay, I want to say one thing. Disrespect is huge for you. You're like. It's an interesting lens through which to see interactions. Because I think here's a theory. I'm like. And I'm working through this as I say it. I wonder if one of the things that is a real personality trait for each person is the one thing they fear most going into a social interaction. I think for some people, it's shame. For some people think it's. Some people, it's embarrassment. For some people, it's like ignorance. Like the fear that you'll be caught not knowing something. For some people, it's like awkwardness. Like, just the fear of an awkward silence is so much more top of mind than the fear of, you know, having food in your teeth or something. For some, it's coming across a certain way. Like, Coming across as condescending or coming across as silly or whatever. And I'm learning that for you, it's like coming across as disrespectful.

[Sam Taggart]

That's a. That is a big part of it. I will say the underside of the fear of disrespect is the shame that I'm carrying through each and every interaction. Are you guys not afraid of disrespecting people?

[Joe Sunday]

It's.

[George Severis]

I certainly.

[Joe Sunday]

It's not my top.

[George Severis]

It's not my top. It's not.

[Ed Helms]

I would not.

[Joe Sunday]

I don't want to.

[George Severis]

It's not top. Top five.

[Sam Taggart]

Have you recently felt disrespected? Because I think it's also a bit of a wait.

[George Severis]

Fearing being disrespected is different than fearing you're disrespectful.

[Sam Taggart]

But I think part of my fear of disrespecting people comes from every once in a while, I do feel disrespective.

[George Severis]

And you feel how bad that feels. So you're like, I wouldn't want to do that to someone else.

[Sam Taggart]

It's a bit of that. Yeah.

[Joe Sunday]

Sometimes, though, being disrespected can, like, unlock a, like, revenge fantasy for me where I'm like, if I'm disrespected, I'm like, you may be disrespecting me now, but check in with me in three years when I am the biggest singer in.

[Sam Taggart]

The world, and that's motivating.

[George Severis]

I would actually go even farther.

[Joe Sunday]

Wait, what is that? What's that?

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, that's motivating.

[Joe Sunday]

Motivating. Sorry, I thought you made up a word.

[George Severis]

For a second.

[Joe Sunday]

I was like, I need to hear more.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh. Oh, gosh.

[George Severis]

I wish I would go farther than what you're saying, which is when I am disrespected in conversation.

[Joe Sunday]

I know exactly.

[George Severis]

It's a weight off my shoulders because I no longer have to impress this person or keep the volley going. You know what I mean? Like, because I. They have broken the social contract. They have disrespected me, so I don't have to maintain a level of civility.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay, can I tell you why I disagree? Wait, but go. I'll save mine.

[Joe Sunday]

It's also, if you are feeling self conscious in a space of, like, does anyone here disrespect me? And then if someone's disrespectful, then you're kind of like, see, I was right.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, okay. Let me.

[George Severis]

Yeah, definitely.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay. I'm gonna bring in another element that I'm realizing right now is very true. There's an element of disrespect that is tense to me in a way that's a bit horny and a bit exciting.

[Joe Sunday]

Oh.

[Sam Taggart]

And I think that's also, like, actually to break it. It down when I'm saying, like, I'm about to say this and I might disrespect you, like, that is a method of flirting to me.

[Joe Sunday]

I. This makes so much sense to me.

[Sam Taggart]

And so you saying that, it makes you pull back. I'm like, oh, no, my strategy's maybe not working well.

[George Severis]

No, it would never happen with you because I. I have. I assume the best intentions with you. I'm saying if I'm. And also when I'm going, I think there's play.

[Sam Taggart]

Disrespect versus genuine disrespect.

[George Severis]

Yeah, well, of course. But even further than play, there's just, like, it can be genuine disrespect coming from a friend, but you're like, okay, but I know what you were trying to say. Like, it's. They can someone. People have. Friends of mine or people I like, have disrespected me, and I have a moment where I'm like, do I want to get mad? And I'm like, no, you just. You overlook it, and it's fine. But, you know, when it's coming from.

[Joe Sunday]

A negative place, of course, the horniness of disrespect, I do kind of get. But you were doing it in, like, a. Because we never met. It's like, a fun way to be. Like. Like, we're actually much closer than you think.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Sunday]

And I do appreciate it for that. What. What that is.

[Sam Taggart]

And I do feel, of course, I'm in a parasocial relationship with you. Like, you guys hung out with your own friends yesterday. I was like, oh, they didn't think to invite me. Okay, noted, noted. I'm free.

[Joe Sunday]

But okay.

[George Severis]

So I. You have felt disrespected in the past. This is why you fear disrespecting others.

[Sam Taggart]

I don't think it's the main reason. Yeah, but it's one of the reasons.

[George Severis]

Is it, like, did you grow up in a household where disrespect was a huge issue?

[Sam Taggart]

Here we go. Well, that's the main reason, of course.

[Joe Sunday]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Clear as day.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. Yes. And I think I also. Maybe one of the things I ought to unlearn. I think I do. But it's also like, I feel like this is also, like, a Ghanaian or even, like, colonial British lens through which I view the world. That when I walk into a room, I am kind of assessing various social hierarchies.

[George Severis]

Huh.

[Sam Taggart]

I'm like, this is your podcast. I'm a guest on your podcast. I've already wronged you guys probably 1, 2, 3, 4, 4 to 6 ways already. And, you know, we're just getting started. You're older than me, you're established.

[Joe Sunday]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

So.

[Joe Sunday]

But I would say, I mean, I also. I don't. I also am like, hierarchy brain.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Joe Sunday]

And I don't, like, sometimes I wish I wasn't like, I hate that. I'm like walking into a space and I'm like, okay, they have this, they have this. I have this. And I'm like, oh, it makes me feel a bit bad.

[George Severis]

Okay. Something I will say about more broadly our industry is, on the one hand, it is disorienting that at any given point the hierarchies can change, quote unquote. On the other hand, I actually fundamentally find it kind of nice that it's not so rigid. I mean, it can be really disorienting if suddenly a 19 year old I've never heard of. I hear that they are the number one touring comedian in the country because they're apply. Got big on TikTok or something. Yes. That is obviously a little disorienting. But, like, would I rather live in that?

[Sam Taggart]

I don't buy that.

[George Severis]

Like, if a 19 ticket sales speak for themselves.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. But that person still isn't above me in the hierarchy.

[George Severis]

Oh, I see what you're saying.

[Joe Sunday]

No, that's true. This is something that I find particularly complicated. Not to go there, go there. Bell labor's about.

[George Severis]

Oh, my God, he's about to go there. Now, as a listener, you know what he's going to.

[Joe Sunday]

He's about to say, okay. Because it's just like, like, people love to be like, no, you're lower in the hierarchy because they are. They have this job.

[George Severis]

Yes.

[Joe Sunday]

And I'm like, well, you misunderstand. I don't respect that job. And I'm like, I'm actually interesting. And so they're like, it's like an interesting. There's something where I'm like. Which is part of maybe why I don't fit in. I don't feel like I fit in over there because I don't believe in that hierarchy.

[Sam Taggart]

Completely agree. And that's also a place where I get disrespectful, where I. I'm hierarchy brain, but it's my own hierarchy brain.

[Joe Sunday]

Yes, totally, totally.

[Sam Taggart]

Often it's not the one that others have agreed to.

[George Severis]

And so when you are, when you. Okay, this is interesting.

[Joe Sunday]

This is interesting.

[George Severis]

This is interesting.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, what a relief.

[Joe Sunday]

Could you imagine whatever they're like on the podcast? Do you have anything else? Yeah, this is quite boring.

[George Severis]

You fear disrespecting people that in your personal hierarchy are higher than you.

[Sam Taggart]

I think so. And I think there's also, gosh, even to go here. I think there's a bit of sick satisfaction in elevating someone from the hierarchy or from a place. Do you see what I'm saying? Where someone. I like the feeling of giving reverence to someone who's maybe not expecting it from me.

[George Severis]

Whoa, whoa. Do you think we weren't expecting it from you?

[Sam Taggart]

I knew you were gonna say that. Well, were you expecting. Expecting it from me?

[Joe Sunday]

I didn't know what to expect. I was just coming in with an open mind and saying, people love Joe.

[George Severis]

Yeah, people do love Joe. I was expecting it a little bit.

[Sam Taggart]

Because you talked about it.

[Commercial Voice]

I love that.

[Sam Taggart]

I love that. It's third person.

[George Severis]

No, no, first of all, we love Joe. But also I was expecting a little bit because we've talked about how you are a listener. So I knew that going. If we hadn't talked about that, then I'd be like, well, they might not even know who we are. And that's also fine. And that's also valid. And maybe in your personal hierarchy, we're kind of footage not found because we're neither lower nor higher.

[Sam Taggart]

No. If a Brooklyn comedian doesn't know about you guys, I don't respect.

[George Severis]

And thank you for specifying that.

[Joe Sunday]

Thank you for specifying that.

[Podcast Announcer]

So.

[Sam Taggart]

See? And how fun was that? A bit of disrespectful.

[George Severis]

Yes. And that was playful disrespect.

[Joe Sunday]

And it's also true.

[George Severis]

And it's also true.

[Joe Sunday]

Like. Yeah, no, the way that it's night and day. Sorry.

[George Severis]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Sunday]

Sorry.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

What?

[Joe Sunday]

The way that, the way that Sam.

[Sam Taggart]

What?

[Joe Sunday]

George is mad at me and he's right, this is boring. But it's just like the way that in Los Angeles I'm like constantly disrespected.

[George Severis]

You know, what you don't realize sometimes is that. That so many LA based people are listening to everything you're saying and they're like writing on a little piece of paper, putting it in their back pockets. They're saying, this is how Sam feels about all of us. You are speaking when you're on the podcast, you're speaking as though you're talking to a friend and you're gossiping. About all the people in la. You have no idea that it's all going back to them, because you know what they're all doing? They're texting in group chats. That's their number one form of entertainment over there.

[Joe Sunday]

Meanwhile, they should be focusing on the TV shows.

[Sam Taggart]

I've never been to la. I wonder about their lifestyle that they have over there.

[George Severis]

We can't get in to it because they're listening. And also because approximately 70% of our podcast is theorizing about the lifestyle of people in la. Can I say something, please? Part of me doesn't believe you when you say you don't know the Space Girls.

[Joe Sunday]

That's interesting.

[George Severis]

That's. And I. And I. And now I'm really sorry to be disrespectful, because I hate that my mind goes there and it. It shows that I'm distrustful of people and it shows that I. I'm looking around and I'm like, okay, so who's being fake and who's being real?

[Sam Taggart]

I know. I know what to say to you. I know what to say to you.

[Joe Sunday]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

I can admit a moment when I have lied in order to convince you that now I'm telling the truth.

[George Severis]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Sam Taggart]

The other day I posted. You said we should talk about this. I posted on my Instagram story, this was crazy, actually.

[George Severis]

Go ahead.

[Sam Taggart]

I said. I said, girl, why did I just find out who Natalie Portman is? It was a video that I saw Natalie Portman doing a Dior ad in the Brussels airport. And then I said, girl, I thought this was Molly Shannon.

[George Severis]

Now, here's my question for you.

[Sam Taggart]

60% true.

[Joe Sunday]

How is that 60%?

[George Severis]

You had heard the name but didn't.

[Sam Taggart]

60% true. I'm a storyteller. I'm a storyteller. You think I haven't seen that movie where she plays the bird Black Swan?

[George Severis]

So, okay, but did you not know her name? Or you had heard the name but hadn't associated with that face?

[Sam Taggart]

No, I knew the name and I knew the face, but I forgot. And then imagine my sh. But then who's in my head instead? Molly Shannon. Now I'm comedian. And then I'm in the airport, I'm seeing this video. I was like, who the hell is that?

[George Severis]

Okay. And so.

[Sam Taggart]

And then we. And then it's. You know, I would say I'm very practiced in the art of going viral on Instagram stories day in, day out.

[George Severis]

A lot of people don't know you can go viral on Instagram stories. I didn't know that it's not a shareable medium.

[Sam Taggart]

Actually, if we could monetize Instagram stories, I would live a one year pant kind of a lifestyle.

[Joe Sunday]

I'm having my pants for many years, by the way. I want the record. I feel like the facts are getting lost. My pants are lasting four years.

[Podcast Announcer]

One of my pairs of jeans has.

[Joe Sunday]

Lost all form in a cool way where it's now, like, baggy. And I wear those all the time. Still put up a cowboy boot with those. That's a fun look. The other pair, which was the creme de la creme. Imagine. Yeah. And they've lost their form in a way that's just formless and bad. It looks a little saggy. It looks a little.

[George Severis]

No, I see what it is.

[Joe Sunday]

It looks a little bad in the butt.

[George Severis]

I have a pair of.

[Podcast Announcer]

I still wear them.

[George Severis]

I have a pair of jeans that I only wear at home. They're actually so stretchy that they're almost like sweatpants now. And if you ever had a doubt that your clothing can literally make your body look different, when I tell you my butt looks literally as flat as a board, it's cr.

[Joe Sunday]

It's.

[George Severis]

It's like an optical illusion. Like, it's almost like if I was cast as a character of Guy with Flat Ass, I would look amazing in those pants.

[Sam Taggart]

What's your dream role?

[George Severis]

My dream role? Guy with Flat Ass.

[Sam Taggart]

Come on.

[George Severis]

What is my dream role?

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, it's a quiz question. Okay, here's a quiz.

[Joe Sunday]

Can I cast you?

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay.

[Joe Sunday]

I want you to be in a Bond movie as, like, the guy who. The guy who introduces all the gadgets.

[George Severis]

Ooh, that's good. I could do that.

[Sam Taggart]

That's really cool.

[George Severis]

I don't have a lot of range as an actor, but I definitely could do a sort of pretty even keeled performance with one.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, hey, Mr. One Eyebrow Race. Take a look at that. Can I. Well, I don't know how much I want to dig into the Spice Girls business because I think I might get very. I fear the vitriol of the Internet. I do want to ask you.

[Joe Sunday]

We don't have angry fans or angry listeners.

[Sam Taggart]

I will say that's true if your listeners are loving. But they could. What if they appear from somewhere else? Or I could even.

[George Severis]

I just think you can't be going, like.

[Sam Taggart]

Cause I'm putting other people in my group chat.

[George Severis]

There needs to be bravery.

[Sam Taggart]

I'm sending people's podcast clips to my friends.

[Joe Sunday]

It's better to be talked about than not talked about.

[George Severis]

Oh, yeah, that's what we keep finding out.

[Joe Sunday]

So what was what. What? Say more about this.

[George Severis]

But you also just can't be. You can't be thinking people on the Internet are going to be mad at me. Otherwise you'll never say anything.

[Joe Sunday]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Interesting. In your life. And I'm not saying you. All of us one.

[Sam Taggart]

Fair, fair, fair. Okay. I needed that bit of wisdom.

[George Severis]

Yeah. God.

[Joe Sunday]

What?

[Sam Taggart]

This bites.

[George Severis]

Girls. Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

What are the. Okay, I'm assuming these are three women.

[George Severis]

Incorrect. You have one more guess.

[Podcast Announcer]

Guess.

[Joe Sunday]

Like. Like, what country are they from?

[Sam Taggart]

Well, I was gonna ask you what are the races of these women?

[George Severis]

What country do you think they're from?

[Joe Sunday]

I think that's an easier.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay, start, by golly, I hope the United States.

[Joe Sunday]

Okay, so you are lying.

[George Severis]

Are you lying?

[Joe Sunday]

You are lying so bad you can't say, by golly, I hope the United States. And have us believe you.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay, this is what I was saying, that I lied about Natalie Portman a bit.

[George Severis]

Yes. But now you're not lying about the Spice Girls.

[Sam Taggart]

Yes, yes, I see. Because that was an instance where I forgot who she was for a second. But I figured she looks a bit like Molly Shannon. People will enjoy this.

[George Severis]

Yes. I just want to say, for the record, she looks nothing like Molly Shannon. And we have to be honest about that.

[Joe Sunday]

I love what you're doing.

[George Severis]

I love Molly Shannon and I love Natalie Portman. And I, of course, love Dior. But we have to kind of fight back against this new stereotype that Natalie Portman looks like Molly Shannon. It has never been true.

[Sam Taggart]

Are you kidding me? To me, she just looks like a slightly. She could be Molly Shannon's cousin.

[George Severis]

Well, I think.

[Sam Taggart]

I guess cousins don't have to look that much alike. They don't look alike to you?

[George Severis]

I think they are Little Bobs.

[Joe Sunday]

I mean, they could be. They could play.

[George Severis]

They could play Relatives.

[Joe Sunday]

They could play Relatives.

[Sam Taggart]

What's the Nicki Minaj song? B O, B. So the color be the Bob. I know about that.

[George Severis]

Okay, okay.

[Sam Taggart]

They could play Relatives.

[Joe Sunday]

Okay.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay. So you agree they look similar.

[Podcast Announcer]

So do you know.

[Joe Sunday]

Do you know what? Do you know any Spice Girls music?

[Sam Taggart]

Jesus Christ. So they're not from the United States.

[Joe Sunday]

I. There's.

[George Severis]

I actually, I keep wanting to tell you about them, but I sort of want to not. I don't want to. I'm not going to answer any questions about them.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, my gosh. Listeners, here's my defenses. I grew up in, like, a Kimmy Schmidt kind of a situation.

[Joe Sunday]

What was your situation?

[George Severis]

Say more. But also only if you're comfortable. Sure.

[Sam Taggart]

I wasn't allowed to watch a lot of stuff.

[George Severis]

No, that's fair.

[Sam Taggart]

And consume a lot of stuff.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

And a lot of it was, like, under the radar. And a lot of my cultural references during my upbringing were one VHS tape of Oliver Twist, the musical. Are the Spice Girls in Oliver Twist?

[George Severis]

You know, they're actually closer to Oliver Twist than you would think than to Natalie Portman.

[Sam Taggart]

They're British.

[Joe Sunday]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

That is amazing.

[George Severis]

Yeah, it's really cool.

[Joe Sunday]

It's really cool.

[Sam Taggart]

And how many.

[Podcast Announcer]

Five.

[Joe Sunday]

Oh, yeah, there's five.

[George Severis]

And three of them are white. Or. Sorry, four of them are white.

[Sam Taggart]

And then they have one.

[George Severis]

They have one black one.

[Sam Taggart]

Great.

[George Severis]

And unfortunately, you're not gonna like this.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, no, she died.

[George Severis]

No, no.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay.

[George Severis]

She is Scary Spice.

[Joe Sunday]

They're all named Blank Spice. She is named Scary Spice.

[George Severis]

So there's Baby Spice, Ginger Spice, Posh Spice, Sporty Spice. They're all white. White. Scary Spice is black. To break that news to someone is honestly, like, amazing. Like, this is really interesting. And I'm actually. If you need a moment, we can grant that to you because we've had decades to process.

[Joe Sunday]

And it was always weird.

[George Severis]

It was always weird. And, like, it was written as a kid.

[Podcast Announcer]

Yeah.

[Joe Sunday]

And I was like, that's confusing.

[George Severis]

Yeah. And As a kid.

[Joe Sunday]

But there was, like, a justification. They would say when we were kids. Like, they were like. Well, because she.

[George Severis]

I always felt the justification was. Which is obviously not true, that she. Mel B. Somehow, like, chose it for herself and was like, I love being scary.

[Joe Sunday]

Because she was like.

[George Severis]

Cause she, like, wore leopard print.

[Joe Sunday]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

So in that sense, she was scary. Like a deadly cat would be.

[Sam Taggart]

Even. That's a bit of a stretch.

[Joe Sunday]

Obviously, it was a stretch.

[George Severis]

But if she. In a world where she chose it, where they were like, you can each choose your quality. And she chose scary. That would almost be a reclamation of it or something. Or it would just be her being like, yeah, my personality is that. I'm like, yeah, yeah. But of course, that's obvious. It was obviously a sign.

[Joe Sunday]

It must have been a sign.

[George Severis]

That's what we're doing now is like, what we were talking about with Maggie, where sometimes you watch a classic movie for the first time as an adult and you want to talk about it with people as though it's new. And everyone's like, yeah, no, I've seen Goodfellas. Like, it's not.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, my God. That's happening to me so many times.

[George Severis]

But I do love just, like, litigating the racism of The Spice girls names in 2025.

[Joe Sunday]

I'm curious, too. So I get. I understand the sort of raised in Kimmy Schmidt vibes thing. Like, were you going to, like, parties with other kids? Like birthday parties or anything? Like roller rink parties, like that type of thing.

[George Severis]

Were you going to the roller rink?

[Joe Sunday]

Because that is where you would have heard Spice Girls songs on occasion.

[Sam Taggart]

I was allowed at the roller rink.

[Joe Sunday]

If you went to, like, the pool.

[Sam Taggart]

For someone's eighth birthday, you know, I bet. Did the Spice Girl sing. Yo, I tell you what I want. That's them, guys.

[George Severis]

Okay. You're killing it.

[Sam Taggart]

Suck me.

[Joe Sunday]

That was amazing.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay. But I guess I just. Maybe I wasn't seeing the videos, but it was amazing because, I mean, they.

[George Severis]

Also were before you were born. And that is.

[Sam Taggart]

I was afraid to do.

[Joe Sunday]

That's a huge part of age.

[George Severis]

Yeah, no, of course it's a huge part. And I do think that, like, even things that are visually iconic, like, even for us, like, I'm sure people would be shocked that we don't know certain things about Michael Jackson. George Michael, even.

[Joe Sunday]

Well, I know plenty about both. I'm just. But I think, yeah, I'm like New Kids on the Block.

[George Severis]

I don't really know anything about. Exactly. I know nothing about New Kids on the Block clock. I know nothing about the generation of TV shows before, like, Melrose Place.

[Joe Sunday]

Yeah, people love to reference Melrose Place. And I go, okay, I'll tell you one thing.

[George Severis]

I barely know Gilmore Girls.

[Joe Sunday]

Oh, honey, I know Gilmores. That was our era. Don't pretend like that wasn't our era.

[Sam Taggart]

I know, because it was on the TV when I came home from school.

[Joe Sunday]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Before my parents got home. You see, because they make.

[Joe Sunday]

They'd be like, turn that filth off.

[Sam Taggart]

Of course.

[George Severis]

Yeah, no, same. That's how I was with trl, because it was on for the exact hour that I was home before my parents got home. And I was like, oh, yeah, I love that Hilary Duff video.

[Sam Taggart]

Wait, these are the two things I want to say. One is about something related to the Spice Girls, and one is going back to a quick sack to our discussion of hierarchy. I remembered something I was going to say. Is that allowed?

[George Severis]

Yes.

[Sam Taggart]

Yes, thank you.

[Joe Sunday]

This is non linear.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay. Yeah. Oh, I love what you guys do with time.

[George Severis]

Everyone does with the meta elements.

[Sam Taggart]

Ooh, I get. Oh, I got. Okay. Do you guys know about say Now.

[George Severis]

Say Now?

[Sam Taggart]

Yes. They're a. They're a British multicultural trio girl group.

[George Severis]

Okay. And they're not Suga Babes.

[Sam Taggart]

They're Say now, baby.

[George Severis]

Okay.

[Sam Taggart]

They. They're completely fabulous. You need to listen to their music. And it's so exciting to me to learn about the Spice Girls because I love K now so much. I've been thinking what I. Gosh, I wish there were more of them.

[George Severis]

This. You should check out.

[Sam Taggart]

Sugabes and Suga babes.

[George Severis]

Yes, Suga babes. Girls allowed. Little mix. Wait, is little mix British?

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, little mix. Like, can we be serious?

[George Severis]

No.

[Joe Sunday]

No.

[George Severis]

And you're right. And thank you for. And thank you for saying that. For saying that. Because at some point, you have to draw the line.

[Joe Sunday]

We need to be called in sometimes.

[George Severis]

So I have a question for you in terms of dis. Wait, there was a second thing about that.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, hierarchy. Oh. The thing I wanted to bring up is, is, did you guys know this? I was going to attend medical school, and I can't quite tell, but I think part of that is that the hierarchy was comforting to me.

[George Severis]

Well, of course.

[Sam Taggart]

And to instead be an entertainment where hierarchies are. Yeah. Free flowing, changing, often in ways that don't resonate with me.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

I think is stressful.

[George Severis]

I could not agree more. And I think we probably grew up in. I don't know how it's similar, but in the same realm of an environment where we had. It sounds like parents that cared about academic achievement and competence and who's valedictorian and who's and who's not.

[Joe Sunday]

Of course.

[George Severis]

Of course. And. And it is.

[Sam Taggart]

And in their defense, by the way, like, they were hungry.

[George Severis]

Yes. And it is something that I think intellectually I can let go of and be like, I know that's not how the world works, but it's so deeply ingrained in me that literally every time something happens that disturbs the hierarchy, I'm like, that's not right.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Joe Sunday]

I mean, this is. Even. There's something about hierarchy, this thing where we talk about, like, specifically the new gay guy, where it's like, what is so concerning about the new gay guy is that there was a hierarchy. And now with the new gay guy, I'm like, okay, so am I bumped down? Like, so do they love him more?

[George Severis]

Oh, that's so funny. I almost feel the opposite.

[Joe Sunday]

Or am I bumped up because he's new? And so now I'm even less new than I was.

[George Severis]

I feel like there's something with the new gay guy that actually is. As much as it's disorienting, it is comforting.

[Joe Sunday]

Sounds like from South. New gay guy.

[George Severis]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Like New Jersey. New gay guy.

[George Severis]

I'm from pop on new gay guy.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, my gosh.

[George Severis]

It's actually comforting because you're like, oh, good, I get to. I get to take a climb one more notch. Not in the sense that I am higher of higher value by any means, because God knows I'm not, honey.

[Joe Sunday]

The value just goes down.

[George Severis]

The value just goes down more so that I'm actually higher and can look down and have more context. Like when I'm physically higher on the ladder.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

I just am able to, like, relax more because I'm not so overwhelmed by what's happening around me. Because I'm higher and I'm looking down.

[Joe Sunday]

Right. I think so. I. To me, it's less ladder and it's more line where you are like, when you're in the back of the line, you're like, this sucks. But when you're in the middle of.

[Podcast Announcer]

The line, there's people in front of.

[Joe Sunday]

You, people behind you. You're like, okay, now I'm just in line. This is so much more comforting. And the line is, how is the. The chronological order of gay guys?

[George Severis]

Yes, exactly. And. And when you're in the middle of the line, you're like, well, this line is pretty much a party. Like, we're all, like, chatting. I'm meeting new people. I don't have the daunting task of waiting in a giant line. But I also don't have the anticipation of, oh, my God, we're about to enter. I'm just, like, comfortably in the middle.

[Joe Sunday]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

I think the line is all about who's in line with you.

[Joe Sunday]

So true. Oh, my God.

[George Severis]

Should we do our first segment?

[Joe Sunday]

We should. And of course, you know, it's so tough about Elliot. Like, I was the new gay guy.

[George Severis]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Sunday]

And like, that was really hard.

[Sam Taggart]

To me, you are still the new gay guy who surpassed you.

[Joe Sunday]

No, it's okay.

[Sam Taggart]

You're scared to say no.

[Joe Sunday]

Let's.

[Sam Taggart]

Are you gonna show me pictures?

[Joe Sunday]

No, no, no. Let's just do our first segment, you guys.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I'm seeing such sadness in your eyes.

[Joe Sunday]

No, it's just like, I was like a crash was coming, you know, I've been so manic.

[George Severis]

You think a crash is happening now?

[Joe Sunday]

Yeah, I think it's happening on am. No, I'm kidding.

[George Severis]

Okay.

[Joe Sunday]

No, this will be good. This will be a clip.

[George Severis]

What do you think it is?

[Joe Sunday]

No, it's fine. Let's do our first segment.

[George Severis]

Okay.

[Joe Sunday]

It's the falafel.

[George Severis]

Joe.

[Sam Taggart]

Our first segment, now that you're Upset. I'm like, finally can relate to you.

[George Severis]

The ideation is coming.

[Joe Sunday]

The ideation. God, I love that.

[Sam Taggart]

Joe, if you want. Oh, that's the same song. If you want to be my love. Okay.

[Joe Sunday]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Yes.

[Sam Taggart]

What other song?

[George Severis]

What's High Sea? Yeah. Hold tight.

[Joe Sunday]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Sounds great. Can't wait to get into these 80s.

[George Severis]

Ah.

[Podcast Announcer]

Hi.

[Joe Sunday]

See, yeah. Then there's. There's two.

[Podcast Announcer]

Become one.

[George Severis]

To become one I need somebody like.

[Joe Sunday]

I never needed love before. Make love to you, baby. You're going to love it.

[George Severis]

Yeah, they're really.

[Joe Sunday]

You're really going to have fun.

[Sam Taggart]

Are they still out and about?

[Joe Sunday]

They pop in. They do a reunion.

[George Severis]

Do reunions every now and then.

[Sam Taggart]

How old are they?

[George Severis]

They are probably 50.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, come on. Oh, come on. They can still do. They dance.

[Joe Sunday]

They like ride around in little cars sometimes.

[Sam Taggart]

Sure.

[George Severis]

Yeah, sure.

[Joe Sunday]

I think you have one specific performance.

[George Severis]

Yeah, yeah. So first Ginger Spice left the group and then there were four of them and they released one. And this was like in like 2001, they were. There were four of them and they released one more album, just the four of them. Then they broke up completely. Then they reunited, all five of them. And I want to say like 2,000.

[Sam Taggart]

And why did Ginger Spice leave?

[Joe Sunday]

Wasn't there a lesbian thing?

[George Severis]

There were rumors that there was a lesbian thing. Ginger Spice now is dating some sort of like race car driver and has like rebranded us kind of. No, like straight male race car driver. And she has rebranded as kind of like conservative sports wife. Like buttoned Lacoste dress up to here. You know, like perfectly done hair on the sidelines, being like, I'm rooting for my man kind of thing. And potentially even political, politically conservative. Although I don't. I haven't done my research there, of course. Victoria Beckham married David Beckham.

[Sam Taggart]

Card the shop at Lacoste.

[George Severis]

Yeah. Victoria Beckham married David Beckham. Posh, posh, Posh Spice.

[Joe Sunday]

Does David Beckham ring a bell as a name?

[Sam Taggart]

Yes.

[Joe Sunday]

It took like.

[George Severis]

Now, that was disrespectful.

[Joe Sunday]

No, it was curious.

[Sam Taggart]

Incited some fear. I believe I know who that is.

[George Severis]

Yes.

[Joe Sunday]

Let's do our first segment.

[George Severis]

Okay, let's do our first segment.

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[George Severis]

Catch the red eye or take the 6am, make a new hire or promote internally.

[Joe Sunday]

Celebrate a win with the toast at.

[George Severis]

The gate or unwind at the lounge. Big props to this team.

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[Ed Helms]

Hey everyone, Ed Helms here and hi.

[Joe Sunday]

I'm Cal Penn and we're the hosts.

[Commercial Voice]

Of Irsay, The Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club.

[Ed Helms]

This week on the podcast I am sitting down with Jenny Garth, host of the iHeart podcast. I choose me to discuss the new Audible adaptation of the timeless Jane Austen classic classic Pride and Prejudice. This is not a trick question. There's no wrong Answer. What role would I play?

[Commercial Voice]

You know what?

[Sam Taggart]

I can see you as Mr. Darcy.

[Commercial Voice]

You got a little Colin Firth.

[Ed Helms]

Okay, that's really sweet. I appreciate that. But are you sure I'm not the dad? I'm not Mr. Bennett.

[George Severis]

Here.

[Ed Helms]

Listen to Irsay the Audible and I Iheart Audiobook Club on the iheartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Joe Sunday]

Okay, our first segment is called Straight Shooters. And in this segment we're gonna ask you a series of rapid fire questions. It's basically this thing or this other thing. And the only rule is you can't ask any follow up questions or we will scream at you.

[Sam Taggart]

Can't get me.

[Joe Sunday]

Okay, let's begin. Madison Square Garden or Marcia Gay Hardin.

[Sam Taggart]

Madison Square Garden.

[George Severis]

Diet Mountain Dew or the Taming of the Shrew.

[Sam Taggart]

Taming of the Shrew.

[Joe Sunday]

A musical prodigy or a beautiful pair of feet?

[Sam Taggart]

Musical prodigy.

[George Severis]

Icons only or my phones. Lonely What?

[Sam Taggart]

Icons only.

[Joe Sunday]

Czech Republic or Check the mug, bitch.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, Kimita tie.

[Podcast Announcer]

Sure.

[George Severis]

Well, that was a question.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, why? But I got you.

[Ed Helms]

I got my ass.

[George Severis]

Oh, so it's a tie?

[Joe Sunday]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Okay, this one's gonna. Well, I am allowed to ask a question. Susan Lucci. Stanley Tucci. Armando Iannucci or Dakota Johnson? Stuns and Gucci.

[Sam Taggart]

Whoa. Stanley Tucci. Because I'm proud. I know who that is.

[Joe Sunday]

Okay. Okay. Going on do not disturb or being on To Catch a Predator?

[Sam Taggart]

I'm going on do not disturb.

[George Severis]

Stars and stripes or chasing likes.

[Sam Taggart]

Chasing likes.

[George Severis]

Wow.

[Podcast Announcer]

Wow.

[George Severis]

What's more bad? The stars and stripes or the culture of chasing likes? And it's sort of like, can you have one without the other?

[Joe Sunday]

Can you have one without the other?

[George Severis]

We rate our guests performance on a scale of 0 to 1000 doves and that's that.

[Sam Taggart]

Has anyone ever gotten zero doves?

[George Severis]

I don't think anyone's gotten zero.

[Joe Sunday]

I'm sure we've tried maybe with Max or something.

[George Severis]

Oh, yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Max is like my favorite custom.

[George Severis]

Well, we were with him yesterday and we were talking about you. I'm kidding. Would you have. Would you have preferred if we were talking about you or would that have scared you?

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, both. But I would have preferred it.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Joe Sunday]

Yeah. Well, I think you got 998 doves.

[George Severis]

I agree.

[Sam Taggart]

What?

[George Severis]

That's crazy.

[Joe Sunday]

Actually, I think there was just a.

[Sam Taggart]

Calm, annoying highest score I've ever heard.

[Joe Sunday]

I think you were tastefully dominating.

[Sam Taggart]

Can I take my shoes off? Is that crazy go off?

[George Severis]

No, I love. I love that.

[Joe Sunday]

Thank you.

[George Severis]

Ooh, side saddle. Oh. Now, okay, this is. Call her daddy.

[Joe Sunday]

Now, oh, we're literally doing call her daddy Alex Cooper.

[George Severis]

Yeah, see how much I know now, that's crazy to not know Spice Girls, but to know Alex Cooper.

[Joe Sunday]

Okay, so I didn't know her name.

[Sam Taggart]

Yes. My mind isn't. Well, until when.

[Joe Sunday]

Like, if you were like, who hosts call her your daddy, I'd be like, I don't know.

[Sam Taggart]

I do think it's indicative of mental illness that I know.

[George Severis]

No, it's not your fault. It's a systemic issue. It's like. Like in. In our world, we should all know the name of, like, the first woman doctor, but instead we know the name of Alex Cooper. And that's not our fault. But also, is it. How much do we have free will? How much are we supposed to fight against the system that produces us? I don't know.

[Joe Sunday]

Dang.

[George Severis]

What is your topic and what's straight about it?

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, my topic is going home.

[George Severis]

Yeah. Which I love.

[Sam Taggart]

Thank you.

[George Severis]

And say a little more like, what do you mean when you mean when you say going home?

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, okay. I see, I see, I see. We're all hanging out. Night has fallen. Things are winding down. I think the straightest thing you can do, pat your thighs, pat your back pocket, reach for your bag. Well, I'll be going now. Where are you going?

[George Severis]

Yeah, but also, where are you going? Pat your thighs, pat your back pocket. Is so evocative. It's so evocative because it is. It's like this constant checking of, like, am I put together? God forbid anything is out of place. Like, I have to be one unit at all times. I have to be. I can't risk, you know, being away from my phone, wallet, and keys. And I need to. Already I was pushing it because I was out of my house. Thank God I get to go back in.

[Joe Sunday]

But you know what else it is? It's essentially, before you do a cheers. Tapping the glass, you're essentially saying, like, I'm about to make a statement. I'm gonna go home. Like, you're like, oh, I gotta go home.

[George Severis]

Yeah. It's also. You're like, am I still human? Do I still count in the census? Oh, thank God. I was worried that I had spent too much time with my community and potentially had become, you know, one of a mass of people that could potentially create change. One of the worst things that I could possibly do. Thank. Go still an individual and can go home and sit on a couch by myself.

[Sam Taggart]

I hate when people go home so much. There's like, a point of a hang that if I feel it winding down. I don't, I don't want to move a muscle because there is a point of a hang where it's like, I don't know, it's like, it's, it's. It's 2:46am if someone gets up to pee, by the time you come back from the bathroom, everyone's gone.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

So there's a certain point where it's like, we're all just kidding.

[George Severis]

For anyone listening, Joe is holding a gun. Joe is miming holding a gun. Which I do understand what you're saying. It's like you feel everyone getting antsy and you're like, I'm not ready for that.

[Sam Taggart]

Everyone just relax. Yeah, Stacy.

[George Severis]

I'll put on a music video. Oh, I'll put on a music video.

[Sam Taggart]

Say your favorite YouTube video now. Thank you.

[George Severis]

Okay. I have a little theory about this.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay. Thank you.

[George Severis]

For straight people, the default is house and the exception is out. Boom. For gay people, the default is out. The exception is house.

[Sam Taggart]

It's like, brought it to the right.

[George Severis]

A gay person goes. A gay person is alone in the house. They're like, oh, God, this doesn't feel right. Like, what's going on? Like, what's everyone doing? Let me text the group chat. Let me see what events. Oh, did I miss a particle invite? Surely I must have because It's Friday at 8:30 and I am not on my way to something.

[Sam Taggart]

Hello.

[George Severis]

Whereas the straight thing.

[Sam Taggart]

Yes.

[George Severis]

My favorite classic sort of like cliche thing is when a straight person will be like, like almost pretend they don't know what going out is. Do you know? Like. And they'll be like, I haven't been out past. I haven't been out past Aiden in 16 years. I'm like, I don't even know where people eat at restaurants. I don't. I don't know what that is. It's like. And it's a very kind of. And I do not want to stigmatize new moms because it's a new. It's definitely like.

[Joe Sunday]

Well, it's a. It's definitely a kid.

[Sam Taggart]

I'll get them.

[George Severis]

It's. It's like a. I'll stigmatize. I think it's, it's valid.

[Sam Taggart]

We need a change.

[George Severis]

It's valid for new moms because I understand that if you're a new mom, you're not going out to the club. But then there are people that are not new moms that are using that language as though they're new moms.

[Joe Sunday]

Oh, my God.

[George Severis]

You know what? I mean, oh my God.

[Joe Sunday]

It's like how people are using therapy language to talk about just like, things that aren't therapy related.

[George Severis]

If you're saying, oh, God, God, 9:30 is late for us these days, that's okay. If you're a new mom and I. And I'm literally like, yes, do you need me? I will pay for your Uber. Do you need me to babysit? If you want to maybe go to a restaurant. But if you're just 35 and don't have kids and have a normal job, you should be ashamed of not going.

[Joe Sunday]

9:30 is late.

[Sam Taggart]

I have a couple thoughts on the new mom issue. So just, you know, just to say right off the bat, like, new moms, like, I love them, I respect them deeply, deeply. What is the deadline?

[Joe Sunday]

Or when do you stop being new?

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, when do you stop being a new mom?

[Joe Sunday]

This is interesting. I would almost say, I mean, there's also.

[George Severis]

Sorry, go ahead.

[Joe Sunday]

There's something about like, I think you're a new mom until they're in school.

[George Severis]

There's also a sort of necessary class analysis here, which is like, yeah, if you have money for constant childcare, at any given point, you can go back to going to the club.

[Sam Taggart]

If you have money for a nanny, do you even count as a mom? Just kidding. Just kidding.

[Joe Sunday]

Yeah, JK everybody.

[George Severis]

But I do agree with you that it's like you are still a new mom when the kid is 16. That's funny. That's because each time the kid ages, you are a new mom of. It's like, well, I'm a new mom of an 11 year old. It's like different thing than when I was a new mom of a ten and a half year old.

[Sam Taggart]

Like, that is a completely different parenthood.

[George Severis]

It's like, there's no. I'm sorry, you're telling me parenting an infant is going to prepare you for parenting a teen? How? Name one similarity.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, really smart. Really smart.

[George Severis]

Name one similarity. That's like saying, oh yeah, I took a bike ride, so now I'm gonna go skydiving. Are you listening to yourself?

[Sam Taggart]

It's funny. Yeah. Yeah, it's really good. Wait, but the thing about being a new mom to an infant, doesn't the infant like, I feel like infants don't know about day and about night.

[George Severis]

Yes. They can barely see.

[Sam Taggart]

So I'm like, you're like, take the.

[George Severis]

Baby to the club with you a.

[Sam Taggart]

Bit or to, to go home early. Like, it's.

[George Severis]

It's okay. This is interesting.

[Sam Taggart]

If your kid needs to, like, Wake up and go to school. I almost understand that.

[George Severis]

I see you're saying. You're saying that moms should party more before preschool.

[Sam Taggart]

I think so.

[George Severis]

I think, like, take advantage of the sort of top years.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[George Severis]

Okay. So obviously the thing there. Not to take what you're saying too literally, the thing there is that babies are going to be crying. You're going to. To be disturbing the peace. If you're, like, at a restaurant or in the club and you have a crying baby with you.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, well, that's why we need the village baby. I'm not even so much thinking about being at the, like, in my mind, the going home issue. I'm thinking we're. We're all at home together and I don't want people to go to their individual homes. You're like, I love being at the club. Let's go home.

[George Severis]

Oh, this is not about the. This is like about a. You're craving dinner party.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Sunday]

Sort of like your brunch yesterday, which was very. Like, we ate and then we sat.

[George Severis]

Around for three hours and then we took a walk.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, gosh, that seemed distorted.

[George Severis]

Okay, so this is actually. I understand. Yes. It's not about clubbing. It's not about going to restaurants. It's about being with other people.

[Sam Taggart]

And you know what? I think it's also like. Yes, it's about age, because I think that being younger is generally a bit more homosexual to me.

[Podcast Announcer]

Of course.

[George Severis]

Well, yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

And I think maybe, like, at the. What's even deeper into my issue with people going home is as. As I see my friends getting older and straighter, there naturally is an urge to, like. Yeah. Have a lifestyle that is just a little bit more about, like, having your own home, having your own couple, having your own family unit. And I am mourning that in real time.

[Joe Sunday]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

I really liked. Gosh, I hate to say it. I liked when it was like, college.

[George Severis]

I know, I know.

[Sam Taggart]

Anywhere to fucking go.

[George Severis]

Well, because that's what it is. Yes. In college, there is no such thing as going home.

[Joe Sunday]

It's. It's. I mean, I. I miss college. Like. Like a loser misses high school. Like, I loved college so much.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, my gosh, get some cowboy cords over that.

[Joe Sunday]

But, like, I think there's something, you guys, because of the LA thing.

[Sam Taggart]

Yes.

[Joe Sunday]

It needs to be said. There's something about. There's something about when you start to have privacy, you start to become addicted to privacy.

[George Severis]

Yes.

[Joe Sunday]

And you can almost, like, want privacy more and more and more. And the more you get the more you want it. And you're like, okay, now I'm alone this much. Now I want to be alone more. Now I want to be alone more. And then when you're out, you're like, I'm panicking. Like, I haven't been out to sea in a while. Whereas when you're so used to being out and you're so used to not having privacy, you're like, well, not having privacy for the next five hours is actually really easy. And I'm used to it.

[George Severis]

I mean, it's like when you stop having roommates, it's so difficult to have to go back to it for some reason. If you have to, then go back to having roommates, it's, like, impossible. And even for some people, it's impossible to even just, like, live with a partner because you're like, well, I'm used to. To this level of privacy. But I do think the younger versus older thing is interesting because as you get older, the home just becomes more solidified. Whether it's because you literally have more money to pay for a nicer home with nicer furniture and it's more comfortable, or because you start being less comfortable doing other things while people are watching. Like, just the need for privacy. And so I almost think it's like a muscle that you have to exercise. You have to force yourself to be out of the home and to be outside. Otherwise suddenly you wake up and you're like, I haven't done anything in five years.

[Sam Taggart]

This is so helpful to my crusade.

[Joe Sunday]

I say your thing yesterday, the brunch where we did hang out aimlessly for hours, that was like, I haven't done this in genuinely many years.

[Sam Taggart]

Really.

[Joe Sunday]

It's always like, I'm over for a dinner, and then when the dinner does its thing, then you leave. Or like, I haven't hung out in someone's home indefinitely in a very long time.

[Sam Taggart]

Stretching is, to me, that's the path to love.

[George Severis]

Yes.

[Joe Sunday]

And I agree. And even this is so insane. Maybe cut this. Oh, but I'm like, so, like, there was one point. It was morning, sort of. And like, there was one point when, like, guest number one, I won't dox. Went to the bathroom for an extended period of time.

[Sam Taggart]

Three possibilities.

[Joe Sunday]

And I'm saying, like, I'm saying, okay, this diva is duking in George's house, someone did poop. And then guess what? I was like, that's amazing. Like, someone is so comfortable being here, he's duking without shame. And then guess what? I duked too.

[Podcast Announcer]

Ah.

[Joe Sunday]

Because I said, I actually need to too. And we're family.

[George Severis]

And that's a perfect example of something that, like, with a straight mindset, you're like, well, I'm only gonna poop in my own home.

[Joe Sunday]

But here I was like, why?

[Podcast Announcer]

Why?

[Sam Taggart]

Sphincter wouldn't even release.

[George Severis]

No, it wouldn't release physically. It would be impossible. Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Joe Sunday]

But we were family. And I said, well, family can do this.

[George Severis]

I also want to talk about your idea of slowly realizing people are leaving. And I think there's a fear that time outside the home is time wasted. And as the hours pass, you're like, oh, God, we're pushing it, we're pushing it, we're pushing it. I'm doing something wrong. Have homework at home. And it's like, well, actually, realistically, you're going to go home and also not be, quote unquote, productive. It's not like you're going to go home and write a novel.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, that's really the thing where. Because people there are, in my opinion, excuses to go home where people will be like, I have yoga in the morning. I have.

[George Severis]

No, you don't. Yeah. First of all, first of all, that's a lie.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay, so no one made you sign up for that. So unsign up.

[George Severis]

Yes.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, I. Oh, I have, I have. I have other plans tomorrow. Like, oh, I got. I gotta be going. But I'm just like, cancel the yoga. Like, this is life. Like, there's like. It's like the yoga or whatever productive thing is being held in higher esteem.

[George Severis]

Yes.

[Sam Taggart]

Than then the aimless hanging out time. And I'm like, no, sit the hell down. This is the project.

[George Severis]

And the future is being privilege over the present.

[Joe Sunday]

Boom.

[George Severis]

You're like, I'm actually currently enjoying myself without planning for the future. That must be bad. Boo. What I should be doing is opening an ira. It's like, no, don't.

[Sam Taggart]

IRA will be there. The caveat that I need to say with this is that, that the amount of strife and pain that I caused to my friend group is like, unbelievable.

[George Severis]

Because you forced them to stay out later than they want to.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, that's part. That's a. That's a minor part of it. But I'm saying, like, even when we are all hanging out, I'm not making it easy for people.

[Joe Sunday]

Like, you're being, like, difficult.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Joe Sunday]

Like, how so?

[Sam Taggart]

Like, I'm like, going in another room and crying because I will just kind of decide that everyone doesn't like me.

[George Severis]

Really?

[Joe Sunday]

Oh, that's fun.

[George Severis]

But this Is I actually think, sorry.

[Joe Sunday]

I'm like, oh, my God.

[Sam Taggart]

So then to be like, why do people want to leave?

[George Severis]

No, but I like that. But that actually goes along with your. With your more broad theory that, like, everything should be done communally. Like, yeah, why not cry in front of other people instead of going all the way home to have privacy and be even more sad because you're not around your loved ones.

[Sam Taggart]

Really? And I think that's why New York is one of the only places I can live and not kill myself because I'm so upset all the time, but with my people.

[George Severis]

And by the way, crying is the same as pooping. Why are those things so these are two vulnerable things. Everyone does, and yet, God forbid you do them. The room, you know, in the next room is your loved ones. Why? What's the worst that could happen?

[Joe Sunday]

One of my favorite, like, party memories was it was in my Bushwick place, and it was like, I think party or something. And Mo Shout out took me into my room and, like, read tarot for me. And I just, like, started bawling, like. Like being so crazy. And then I was like. Like 20 minutes of that. And I was like, okay, let's go back out. And I was like, that was so fun. Like, what a journey.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, wait. Sam, congrats on getting absolutely married.

[Joe Sunday]

Thank you.

[George Severis]

How?

[Sam Taggart]

Well, how. Ugh. I'm sure you told everyone already, how was your wedding? But I guess I'm getting curious. What was the end of the wedding? Like, when did people go home and when.

[George Severis]

Oh, that's an interesting question.

[Joe Sunday]

So this is interesting.

[Podcast Announcer]

I.

[Joe Sunday]

So we. I will say this. The beginning. Everything was successful.

[Sam Taggart]

Yes.

[Joe Sunday]

The wedding was to die for. It was really fun. But we. The bar we went to for, like, an after drink, I didn't love. And so I like.

[George Severis]

But.

[Joe Sunday]

But to be fair, I kind of left it all on the table or on the field. Sports metaphor. And so I was, like, not really looking to, like. I was, like, kind of exhausted. And so I was like. I had, like, one drink at the after place, maybe two, and then was like, okay, I'm gonna go. And it kind of felt like a nice excuse to be like, I gotta get out of here. But it had been, you know, we'd been hanging out since, like, 4:30pm and it was like.

[George Severis]

The idea of a wedding after party is interesting because you would think everyone would, like, quote, unquote, finally let loose. But the thing about weddings is that they last a really long time. You sort of forget every time you go to one, like, it is.

[Sam Taggart]

I've never been to a wedding in my adult.

[George Severis]

Really?

[Podcast Announcer]

Really.

[Sam Taggart]

I'm so jealous and sad.

[Joe Sunday]

No. Like college friends.

[George Severis]

It's going to start happening and then it'll never stop. It's like, so actually enjoy this time. Save up some money. You know, really invest in that iron.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay.

[George Severis]

And because I would say in approximately four or five years, it's really gonna. It's really gonna start and it's never gonna end because there's not even a lull. Because basically it's straight weddings, then gay weddings, then all the straight people get divorced, and then it's second weddings.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh wow. Can I say something? I won't attend unless I approve a what?

[George Severis]

Unless you approve wedding.

[Sam Taggart]

I won't attend unless I approve of the UN union.

[Joe Sunday]

I love that.

[Sam Taggart]

We'll see if I can do that. But that might limit. That might be my budgeting hack.

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[Joe Sunday]

But I think you're pointing to something which is like at some point people do have to go home. Like.

[George Severis]

Yeah, inevitably.

[Joe Sunday]

So what is the ethical.

[George Severis]

Yeah, way to go home in your dream world. How does a hang end?

[Sam Taggart]

It's a great question. It's a great question. My dream world, sleepover breakfast. We go to sleep at about 6:30am.

[Joe Sunday]

Yeah, no, that sounds fun.

[Sam Taggart]

We wake up about noon, 1:00pm, have brunch, breakfast, lunch. Maybe we've left the house. Maybe the brunch was in the house. Then it's group reading time.

[George Severis]

Each person individually reading. Not like reading circle.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, yeah, probably each person. Because, you know, I'm respecting in the morning people, they want to do their own, you know, just. And then slowly, if you have a dinner plan, show.

[George Severis]

Okay, this is interesting. So, okay, you allow them to leave for dinner. No, no, but. But I like what you're saying. It's like you allow them to leave for a thing, not to prepare for a thing.

[Joe Sunday]

And then the moment you are done, you better get your Ass back here. Yeah. Because we're watching music videos.

[George Severis]

So it ends when you have the next thing. It doesn't end when you want to, like, prepare for yoga or go home to brush your teeth. Like, you're like, club.

[Podcast Announcer]

Club. Nothing.

[George Severis]

Club. Yes, club. Club, not club.

[Sam Taggart]

I'll allow you to prepare for the next thing for, like, just like, I. I really do want every hang to go well into tomorrow.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Joe Sunday]

I. I really. I see that I. I struggle with. I found myself recently being, like, having people over and then being like, it gets to that point and you're sort of like, oh, and I. Oh, because.

[George Severis]

You want to go to sleep.

[Joe Sunday]

I want to go to sleep. But even.

[Sam Taggart]

Even, like, so sleep.

[George Severis]

And honestly. Yeah.

[Joe Sunday]

Like, yeah, that is so funny.

[George Severis]

I have a friend, this couple that always hosts these dinners, and one of them is known for going to bed when she's ready.

[Sam Taggart]

That's so cool.

[George Severis]

And when people are still there and it's just like, no, that's cool. And it's like a. It's a thing and everyone knows it. And it's like, at some point, you no longer.

[Sam Taggart]

To help.

[George Severis]

Yes. At some point, you no longer see her, but her wife is still there, and everyone's still, like, around and having a good time.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, and see it. It's her and a wife.

[Joe Sunday]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Notice that.

[George Severis]

Right?

[Podcast Announcer]

So.

[George Severis]

So do. Oh.

[Joe Sunday]

Because it's a strange.

[George Severis]

It's a. It's.

[Joe Sunday]

They're doing the gay.

[George Severis]

We're doing the gay thing. But I guess my question is. I guess my. Here's what I haven't considered.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay.

[George Severis]

If both wives wanted to go to sleep, would that be awkward? Like, they're both going to sleep. Sleep.

[Sam Taggart]

I'll climb into bed with them. I just don't see any issue at all.

[Joe Sunday]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

You're like, everyone can. Can see themselves out when they're ready.

[Sam Taggart]

I think if you're hosting and you.

[George Severis]

Want to go to sleep, like, grow up.

[Sam Taggart]

Just hand me the keys in case.

[George Severis]

I want to make a run. Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

And I'll be here.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Like, oh. Many months ago. I hope it's long ago that this person has forgotten. And I think I can tell it anonymously enough that, that, you know, if you hear this and you think it's about you, then Shoe fits. Wear it. I was hanging out with someone and we hung out until. I mean, just a very plain story. I hung out with my friend until about 12:30, and they were like, okay, I'm tired. I think you should go now.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

I don't look at that person the same way I forget.

[Joe Sunday]

This is like.

[George Severis]

No, I love this. You hate going home. I don't even. Like, you don't want to be home.

[Sam Taggart]

I don't want to hold it over their head, but that hurt me.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Joe Sunday]

You know what I wish? Sometimes I do wish someone would be like, can I stay here? Like, I think where I get confused, it's the wanting them to leave is sort of like waiting for the other shoe to drop. Where I'm like, if you're gonna break up with me, just break up with me.

[George Severis]

Right?

[Joe Sunday]

Like, I'm kind of like. Like, if they were like, I wanna stay the night, like, I wanna sleep on the couch, I'd be like, oh, great, let's have another drink and hang out.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, with some of my friends, we do have a sort of pattern or policy of deci. Oh. Because you know what, you do this with people you're dating where you'll kind of negotiate ahead of time. Is tonight a sleepover or not? I bring that into the platonic.

[Podcast Announcer]

Really.

[Sam Taggart]

I do. I have friends who I say, are we having a sleepover or.

[George Severis]

I do believe that bed space should just generally be easier to come by. Like, I think every. I think there should be a way for it to be non intrusive. But like, every living room basically just has Murphy beds around all the walls. And at any given time you should be able to sleep six people in your apartment.

[Sam Taggart]

I love what you people. Why are people so particular about their own beds?

[Joe Sunday]

Well, this is an age thing.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, this is an age thing, huh?

[George Severis]

This is the. This is the.

[Joe Sunday]

This is like, I'm really. Like I'm anywhere. I'm.

[George Severis]

You have no idea what your body is going to feel like. Like it's gonna happen out of nowhere and you're gonna. You're gonna think it's a mistake. You're gonna be like, oh, sorry, restart, restart. Is there a glitch?

[Joe Sunday]

Surely this is not me and this impacts that because it hurts your back.

[Sam Taggart]

It hurts your like.

[Joe Sunday]

And I'm really not trying to be that person.

[George Severis]

No. It's weak. Yeah.

[Joe Sunday]

It's tough because I. I have. No one. I'm. No one has believed that their body would betray them or.

[Sam Taggart]

The back pain is more important to you than your friendship.

[Joe Sunday]

I just don't think you understand.

[George Severis]

Yeah. There's no way to theoretically understand this.

[Joe Sunday]

You have to live it sort of like being a new mother. Yeah.

[George Severis]

Although I think I sort of get what.

[Sam Taggart]

But I feel such mental anguish in every moment of my life.

[George Severis]

Period.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Oh.

[Sam Taggart]

So that's the end of my sentence. I'll see when I get there. I'm sure it'll be like tomorrow.

[Joe Sunday]

Can I ask, like.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Joe Sunday]

Can I ask how old you are?

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, 16. You don't know.

[George Severis]

You have a really amazing year ahead of you.

[Joe Sunday]

I love 17 was my favorite year. Seriously.

[Sam Taggart]

Really?

[Podcast Announcer]

Yeah.

[Joe Sunday]

And I would know. It was only three years ago.

[Sam Taggart]

17 was mighty painful for me.

[George Severis]

17 was bad for me too, I have to say.

[Sam Taggart]

Wait, can you please give me advice? I'm 24 and it's really.

[George Severis]

What advice do you.

[Sam Taggart]

How do I feel better?

[George Severis]

How do you feel better?

[Joe Sunday]

You know what I think would work is like just keep gunning into your career. Like I think fill that with success. And I've noticed that the people.

[Sam Taggart]

Your advice is be successful.

[Joe Sunday]

No, I'm kidding. I just feel like a lot of people do that. People are like, I know I'll get more famous. And then they are 36 and famous and so wild to be around.

[George Severis]

I mean, I think you are investing in your relationships, clearly, which is the number one thing existing in community. And that helps a lot. I would say, you know, you know.

[Joe Sunday]

Step outside of yourself.

[George Severis]

Step outside of yourself, care about people.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay. Can I ask you maybe a. A question like, can we problem solve something? I want to have a creative career. I've been begging for it for so long. Long. I'm noticing I'm already struggling with the feeling of having eyes on me.

[Joe Sunday]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Even people are pretty much really nice to me. Even when people are positive and patient and caring.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

It's kind of stressful.

[George Severis]

Well, the tough thing with that is that's a sign that you're normal and not a psychopath. Because if you thought if, if that was happening to you and you were thinking, okay, good, now I feel good, that means you're literally a sociopath.

[Sam Taggart]

And I still think I might be.

[George Severis]

But a different. But it's a different.

[Sam Taggart]

But a different.

[George Severis]

It's a different screen.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay.

[Podcast Announcer]

A sensitive one.

[George Severis]

A sensitive one.

[Sam Taggart]

The lover. Sociopath.

[Joe Sunday]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay. I think that's a part of it.

[Joe Sunday]

It's also a normal. It's very normal.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay.

[Joe Sunday]

And you'll like figure out out how to deal with it in a different way.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay. Okay.

[George Severis]

It's also just like any job has things that are non ideal and stressful. And if you were a doctor, it would be that you would have to be like sleep deprived all the time and have to leave your family vacation because your pager went off to go surgery. And for the career you've chosen, it's that occasionally it feels bad to have people gawk at you or to say something inappropriate to you or. Or to be over familiar or to lie to you or to fundamentally misunderstand you. And then you feel this need to correct the misunderstanding. But you have to have the inner peace to not do it. And that takes work to build that muscle so you don't fight back.

[Sam Taggart]

That actually is helpful.

[George Severis]

But I think it's hardest when it is first happening because you don't have the tools to deal with it. But then in an ideal world, it'll keep happening slowly and not all at once, which I do think can be like a. A trauma. And I have not experienced that.

[Joe Sunday]

I have not experienced that.

[George Severis]

Which I legitimately am grateful for because it seems like it would be horrible.

[Joe Sunday]

Seems hard.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, I look up to you guys because you were some of my favorite comedians and favorite artists, and you're very. Oh, you discuss this all the time on the podcast. I can even name the episodes. But you're quite well adjusted about it.

[Joe Sunday]

Oh, well, thank you. That's very sweet.

[George Severis]

It's very sweet.

[Joe Sunday]

Should we do our final segment?

[Sam Taggart]

Are you tired of talking to me?

[Joe Sunday]

No, no. See, now we're in a trap.

[George Severis]

Why?

[Joe Sunday]

Because we. The whole thing was like, we're not allowed to leave.

[George Severis]

Oh, my God. Wait, wait. Can I say something? Actually?

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, my gosh. What I've created. I mean, do you see how it's bullying me?

[George Severis]

It's tough. Yeah.

[Joe Sunday]

Like, but we just have to, like, I don't know how long, like, the studio's even avail. Like, we're literally, like, past our time.

[Sam Taggart]

Douglas, how are you doing?

[George Severis]

Yeah. I have one final thing to say about going home.

[Sam Taggart]

Yay.

[George Severis]

Here's something that is okay.

[Joe Sunday]

Teacher's pet.

[Sam Taggart]

And I think I do well.

[George Severis]

Interesting. So Joe is the teacher.

[Joe Sunday]

Joe is teacher in this scenario. Yeah. The third is always the teacher.

[George Severis]

Interesting. It would be amazing if we were. If there were students, they went into a class and the teacher was like, I've looked up to you guys for a while, and I just think you guys have handled it all really well. And I think you're really well adjusted to the second grade students.

[Sam Taggart]

That's funny. That's funny. You know my answer? I do teach adult students.

[George Severis]

You do?

[Sam Taggart]

I teach stand up and public speaking.

[George Severis]

Oh, my God.

[Sam Taggart]

My students are all, like, consultants.

[George Severis]

Oh, yeah. Oh, God. They probably think you're so cool. And they're right, by the way.

[Sam Taggart]

Some of them. And some of them definitely are, like, confused.

[Joe Sunday]

Well, let them.

[Sam Taggart]

Not my problem.

[George Severis]

Do you have any other questions you want to ask us?

[Joe Sunday]

Yeah, no. That really like patted our egos in a crazy way.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, like completely. So many.

[George Severis]

What I wanted to say about parties is here's something that is.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, and then I. And then I actually really have a very real question.

[George Severis]

Okay, great. Here's something that is chilling. Get ready.

[Joe Sunday]

I'm scared.

[George Severis]

You're at a get together. There's someone who has been threatening to come all night, but they were held up somewhere. Maybe they had a dinner, you know, like they were at another event, whatever.

[Joe Sunday]

Oh, I know, I know the situation.

[George Severis]

They text, okay, I could come now. How long are you guys going to be there?

[Joe Sunday]

This is so complex.

[George Severis]

What do you do?

[Joe Sunday]

This is so complex because there is a flow to a gathering. And if they're coming in at like, you're at peak and they're at valley, that's going to clash.

[George Severis]

But also, you don't know, a gathering.

[Sam Taggart]

Might have come and can spur people to leave even totally.

[Joe Sunday]

Because the doors open. They're like, fuck, I can go out.

[Sam Taggart]

Isn't it funny, like how simple minded we can be that it is just like literally the opening of the door.

[Joe Sunday]

People are like, the door open. That reminds me.

[George Severis]

Yeah. It's like, I didn't know. Oh my God, there's outside. This entire time there has been outside. That's been an option.

[Joe Sunday]

Well, there's also part of you where you're like, oh, I'm being replaced. Like, like now they won't miss me because I'm leaving someone else's company.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Or then it's like, well, it's not your gathering. So you want to ask like, oh, oh, Sam is texting. Are we gonna be here for a while? But then the fact that you're putting that into people's heads makes everyone look at their watch, be like, you know, honestly, I do have a la.

[Sam Taggart]

I should set up my house. So it's like you come in, you have to turn in your watch. No clocks on the walls, and I like scramble your phone.

[Joe Sunday]

My apartment in Bushwick had no windows in the living room. So it literally was like you would hang out till like 5am and everyone like wouldn't notice.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Joe Sunday]

And I was like, it felt like a torture chamber, kind of.

[Sam Taggart]

I've lived in a dungeon, like, apartment.

[George Severis]

What was your question?

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, look, we could discuss it on air, we could discuss it off air, but you guys have a relationship where you started as more so business partners than friends. And I assume you would say that now. You're beautiful, betrothed friends. Is there a way. Okay. I'm asking from the perspective of Tessa, and I want to be you and want to make a podcast.

[George Severis]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Sunday]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Is there a way that you make.

[George Severis]

Sure that happens, that you remain friends.

[Joe Sunday]

Or, like, get closer or.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. Or, like, are there. Yeah. Are there strategies to maintaining friendship while being business partners? Because I think we've come up even against some minor frictions of that kind of relationship, and we've been able to work through them come out even stronger, I think. But I want to make sure that happens if I can.

[George Severis]

How do we maintain a healthy balance between business partnership and friendship?

[Joe Sunday]

I think we know the difference. Yes. Like, we don't mix. Like, we're like, we need to meet to talk about this stuff. And then it's like, and now we need to go to dinner.

[George Severis]

And those are different things.

[Joe Sunday]

Those are different things.

[George Severis]

That's true. We have business meetings, and then we also have a brunch.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, cool.

[George Severis]

And we also have dinner, and we also have a gossip session.

[Joe Sunday]

I think we also just, like, I don't know, pay it, like, try to assume the best in both of us and sort of, like. I think we both are, like. Like, just seeing where it goes. Like, the friendship thing. We were sort of, like. Because we have different wants and interests sometimes, but sort of like. But sometimes I'll come to your type of thing, and sometimes you come to.

[Podcast Announcer]

My type of thing, but not all the time.

[Joe Sunday]

And if we're not free, then c' est la vie.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I. I do think that's. I do think that's true, but I also would say that you do have to lead with love.

[Joe Sunday]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

I do find, like, yes, we separate business and friendship, but, like, everything I'm saying to Sam, I'm saying with love, and everything I'm feeling towards him, I'm feeling in that way. And I think it strengthens both relationships.

[Joe Sunday]

I agree there's a familial commitment.

[George Severis]

I think that is ultimately what it is. It actually does feel like the way that, like, two brothers would start a restaurant.

[Joe Sunday]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Although, of course, it's like, when two brothers start a restaurant, they're gonna fight. Yeah.

[Joe Sunday]

Folks, that were ruined.

[Sam Taggart]

When two brothers start a restaurant and they don't hire. I. Iowa debris.

[George Severis]

No, that's crazy. Imagine not hiring.

[Sam Taggart]

Let's see how long this lasts.

[Joe Sunday]

Yeah. For real.

[George Severis]

Yeah. It honestly seems pretty dramatic, even with Iot debris.

[Joe Sunday]

Yeah. Holding on by a thread.

[George Severis]

Yeah. It's like people are yelling all the time. There's tension.

[Joe Sunday]

Mental health Issues, Mental health issues.

[Sam Taggart]

I couldn't imagine.

[Joe Sunday]

I couldn't imagine.

[George Severis]

Okay, we should do our final segment.

[Joe Sunday]

We should do our final segment. So our final segment is called shout Outs. And in this segment we pay homage to the grand street tradition of the radio shout out. Shouting out to anything that we are enjoying. People, places, things, ideas. We make them up on the spot. And we go first. I'll go first. What's up, freaks, losers and perverts around the globe. I want to give a huge shout out to, to get this. Shaving in the shower. I've never done this before. And as I'm staying in the Pod Hotel, it's quite small, which I of course love efficiency. But I was like, I need to shave, it's been so long. And I like, don't know, the sink is not quite right. And I was like, maybe I'll try doing it in the shower. Let me say I felt like I was in a damn commercial. I felt luxurious. As we all know, shaving has many cultural implications for me. And it is sort of pretending I'm a masculine dad. And it's like a psychosexual game I play with myself doing in the shower. That was crazy. And it worked like a charm. It was easy. Oh my gosh. And I felt like this is how I should be doing it. Although it does feel like I don't know what the rules are on wasting water. But I felt like I was wasting quite a bit of it. And I'm never sure. I wish someone would tell me when I reach the point when you've, you've actually had enough water for the day, especially shower water, because there's. It's all very vague at this stage. But I'm in New York and there's water a plenty. Just look outside. There's two rivers and an ocean. So shout out to shaving in the shower. I love you. Xoxo Sam Woo.

[George Severis]

Okay, I actually have one. I want to give a shout out to get this. The 2009 collection of Zadie Smith essays, Changing My Mind. Now this is a book I attempted to read when I was in high school and I actually found some of the literary criticism to be. Be challenging at the time. And I'm. I picked it back up and I am. It's like every single page is blowing my mind. It is so fun to read. She's so smart. She was younger than me when she wrote it. And I want to say about Zadie Smith, I'm aware that she has fallen out of favor among certain, a certain kind of, you know, cool, urban, 20 to 30 year old. I think people think she has in some way sold out. I think people find her whole kind of like, anti Internet, anti culture, cancel culture thing thing to be somehow grading. Listen, I'm okay with people's reputations going up and down, but to me, I trust her and I'm gonna read what she writes. And she is especially good at nonfiction, in my opinion, and this book is really doing it for me. And maybe the issue is that she was written before the Internet and before she had. Or before the social Internet, before she had to grab a with those things. But I am just having the time of my life and I highly recommend picking it up and honestly picking up Anything written in 2009. It was an amazing time. So huge shout out.

[Joe Sunday]

That's interesting. It's funny that someone is both anti Internet culture and anti cancel culture.

[George Severis]

It's not. I'm even. I'm painting in broad strokes because that's how other people are commenting on it. I don't necessarily think either of those things are really true. I just think, you know, it's like she's getting older like everyone else, and so she's gonna, like, say things that young people are rolling their eyes at. Right.

[Joe Sunday]

It's like Joe not knowing Spice Girls. It's like, not really true.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

That one could not have been truer.

[George Severis]

I'm even regretting being defensive. It's like, no, I like her writing, and I don't care if someone on the Internet was like, she sucks.

[Joe Sunday]

No, totally. It's really nice to zoom out from those blanket critiques.

[George Severis]

You do find someone falling out like, she was the cool writer for so long, and then you just don't hear people loving her as much anyway. It doesn't matter.

[Sam Taggart]

What, what, what, what, what's. Listeners, I want to give a shout out to my Aunt Bononia because guess what? She is a sweetie pie. She is a woman pastor. She is a woman who is a pastor. But she is also just so smart and so wonderful. And I thought because she was a woman pastor that her mind was. Was, was, was, was, was, was.

[Joe Sunday]

Rest.

[George Severis]

I can tell what's happening, which is like, I always struggle with talking about family members.

[Joe Sunday]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

In different context. You're like, well, I don't want to make this person into a caricature for the sake of comedy. And I am trying to express love.

[Sam Taggart]

Thank you for saying that. Thank you for saying that. Maybe I'll do accessories.

[Podcast Announcer]

Okay.

[George Severis]

You can also just be like, shout out to my auntie, period.

[Joe Sunday]

Oh.

[Sam Taggart]

That. It doesn't have to be a whole thing.

[Joe Sunday]

Literally. I mean, you could even do accessories and then at the end and also shout out to etc.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay. Okay. What's up, listeners? Gosh, I'm excited to be here. I am giving a shout out to accessories because they could just completely turn a dark day into a better day. I recently said I want to be cyberpunk. I went on Pinterest. I looked up all kinds of outfits. The way that you change your style is not even really about the shape of the shirt, the shape of the pant, the shape of the skirt, the length, the hems. Really, it's about the accessories. You could have a white T shirt and blue jeans and dress in any kind of freaking style that you wanted. It's just about the accessories. Baby, baby. If you just go get on a. A news boy cap like they wear in that musical News east, boom, you got a whole different thing. Or if you got a pair of cowboy boots on, boom, you got a whole different thing. Accessories are amazing, and I really wish that I knew more about them and about how to pair them in different ways. But you know what? I've started wearing this silver cuff on my arm. I walk in a room, people treat me differently. I walk in a room, people sit up a bit straighter because they know that I am somebody. Because I ordered, ordered my silver arm cuff from a lady in Croatia. Yes, I did. Boom. Bada bingo, bada boom to that. And additionally, shout out to my auntie Benonia, who recently showed me a great bout of love and of care. And she. She is a pastor woman, a woman who is a pastor. And she asked me, she. She sat me down. She said, I want to talk about your relationship. I said, relationship with Christ, of course. She said, no boyfriend? You have one yet? I said, auntie, I gotta go. Shout out.

[Joe Sunday]

Wow, you nailed that.

[George Severis]

You nailed it.

[Sam Taggart]

Thank you, guys. You've shown me incredible amounts of kindness.

[Joe Sunday]

And I love the accessories today.

[George Severis]

No, it's really amazing.

[Sam Taggart]

Thank you.

[George Severis]

Thank you, Joe. Where can people find you?

[Sam Taggart]

Street, Brooklyn, New York.

[George Severis]

And we're keeping that in.

[Joe Sunday]

Please keep that in.

[Sam Taggart]

Please keep it in.

[George Severis]

All right, well, I gotta go home.

[Joe Sunday]

I gotta go home. Thanks for doing the pod. Bye.

[George Severis]

Bye.

[Podcast Announcer]

Podcast ends now.

[George Severis]

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[Podcast Announcer]

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[George Severis]

Now get back to work.

[Podcast Announcer]

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[George Severis]

Podcasts, created and hosted by George Severis and Sam Taggart.

[Podcast Announcer]

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[George Severis]

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[Podcast Announcer]

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[Joe Sunday]

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[Ed Helms]

We got your back and your backpack. Dietz and Watson has all the meat and cheese to make those sandwich masterpieces. All made the right way with no fillers or MSG like Virginia brand ham.

[Joe Sunday]

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[Ed Helms]

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[Joe Sunday]

Dietz and Watson. It's a family thing since 1939.

[George Severis]

This is Bo Ng from Las Culturistas.

[Joe Sunday]

And I'm Matt Rogers, also a host of Las Culturistas.

[George Severis]

Big news to share. Do you know what the perfect thing to bring to any party is?

[Podcast Announcer]

But when we talked about this, I'm.

[Joe Sunday]

A person, not a thing.

[George Severis]

Oh, I didn't mean you. I meant Casamigos.

[Podcast Announcer]

Okay, Chic.

[Joe Sunday]

And honestly, the only other correct answer.

[George Severis]

A Casamigos margarita. That's a sleigh. Ah, Casamigos. Anything is a sleigh because anything goes with my Casamigos. Anything goes with my Casamig.

[Joe Sunday]

Bo, you're a poet.

[George Severis]

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[Ed Helms]

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[George Severis]

Limu is that guy with the binoculars.

[Ed Helms]

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[George Severis]

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[Joe Sunday]

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[Ed Helms]

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[Joe Sunday]

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[George Severis]

Restrictions apply.

[Joe Sunday]

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[Sam Taggart]

This is an iHeart podcast.