"Hookup Culture" w/ Kay Poyer

Summary

StraightioLab Episode Summary

Episode: "Hookup Culture" w/ Kay Poirier

Date: September 16, 2025
Hosts: George Civeris & Sam Taggart
Guest: Kay Poirier

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Episode Overview

This episode of StraightioLab takes a deep dive into the nature of "hookup culture"—who invented it, who owns it, and how it’s evolving, particularly as it moves from historically queer spaces into straight ones. Guest Kay Poirier, known for her incisive humor and experience in both queer and straight dating scenes, joins George and Sam to unpack how straight people are "appropriating" hookup culture, why it feels hopelessly awkward among hets, and the broader social and psychological forces shaping young people's sex and dating lives today. The conversation spirals through dating apps, nostalgia cycles, intergenerational queer wisdom, and the right way to flirt in a deeply unserious digital age.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Seeing Life Through a Mother's Eyes

• Perspective Shift: The hosts and Kay joke about how seeing something through another’s eyes—especially a mother—can radically change your opinion on it, with examples ranging from LA’s nightlife to materialist movies.
  • “It’s interesting. Seeing something through a mother’s perspective can both be expansive...but it can also be limiting you.” – George (05:49)
  • This segues into how their own internal 'mother perspective' shapes their taste and anxieties.

2. Kay’s Look and Generational Outfits

• Hipster Ariel: Lighthearted banter about Kay’s style ("Hipster Ariel come to life") (07:32), name choices (“Sloane”), and how names project vibes and expectations onto children.
• Jessica Chastain & Bryce Dallas Howard: They riff on the confusion between the two actresses and their recurring roles as various flavors of redhead in movies, plus funny digs about Hollywood career FOMO.
  • “Every month there’s a new one.” – George on Jessica Chastain films (11:25)

3. Social Media Addiction & Its Effects

• Social Media as Work: Kay frames Instagram/TikTok addiction as work rather than pleasure, seeing the platform as purposely soul-sucking (16:09).
  • "A job is meant to make you feel a little bad...if Instagram is your job, it's going to make you feel a little bad." – George (16:09)
• The Male Instagram Dilemma: Discussion of why straight men with partners lurk on Instagram and the strange performativity (17:00).

4. Creepy Male Behavior Online

• Kay shares a chilling but comedic anecdote about a goth club regular with multiple Instagram accounts, clown makeup, and mass-messaging trans women (17:52).
  • “He only wears clown makeup and uses a fake name and only follows trans women.” – Kay (18:08)
• Communal Defense: Kay and her friends deal with online predators by “hexing” men via group chats—a darkly funny, empowering adaptation to a warped dating scene (22:24).
  • “We’ll share his number...send him the copy pasted text of that meme with his phone and then block him.” – Kay (22:24)

5. Loss of Anticipation & Narrative

• DM Culture Ruined the Chase: The group bonds over how instant online access to people kills sexual/romantic intrigue, mystery, and anticipation.
  • “The DMification of trying to hit a bitch up has really stripped...the allure of anticipation. The mystery is gone.” – Kay (23:41)
• The old narrative of hookup culture is being replaced by transparency overload.

6. Interlude – 'Straight Shooters' Segment

(28:13–33:12)

• A rapid-fire, humorous Q&A.
• Memorable moment: Kay’s immediate “Shoplifting from Sephora!” (29:33)
• The playful, irreverent banter solidifies Kay’s rapport with the hosts and the show's unserious but smart tone.

7. Intergenerational Queer Wisdom

• Stories of older gay men and drag queens in Texas, and how "old queen energy" creates its own set of rules for relationships, open relationships, and general toughness (37:34–39:20).
  • “If you were a drag Queen in the 70s in Texas, you can honestly hit me…girl, you earned your stripes.” – Kay (39:23)

8. Main Topic: Hookup Culture is Becoming Straight

• Straight Hookup Culture Is Broken:
  • Kay’s provocative claim: “I think hookup culture is slowly being sucked into the vacuum of straightness. That’s where the appropriation is happening now.” (40:49)
  • History: The old model was men lying to women, marrying them, and secretly seeking trans women or side partners. Now, men mass-message women of all genders with “disturbingly sexual” pickup lines—across Tinder and other apps (41:31).
  • “It does feel like they’re trying to lure you into, like, a Saw trap and there’s no offer of…like, I almost often feel like cis women and trans women now…are kind of getting dogged out in the same way.” – Kay (42:19)
• Dating App Dynamics:
  • Hinge: Where men are “slightly less attractive than you would like but really sweet.”
  • Tinder: Functionally a platform for men to “cat-call” virtually; rarely leads to real dates.
    • “Your phone shuts down at 3am because they’re all texting you to come over…it’s evil.” – Kay (45:54)

9. Why Straight Hookup Culture Doesn’t Work

• Straight Men Wanting to Be Yelled At: Cultural dynamic where straight men want their partners to be mean to them, creating a toxic pretext for makeup sex.
  • “It’s a bizarre form of foreplay where the man makes mistakes and the woman just fucking loses her shit, and that just means they’re having an amazing day and sex later.” – Sam (47:47)
• Passion Channelled Negatively: The only passion some couples can access is “negative” or fight-based, leading to cycles of passive-aggression that substitute for genuine connection.
  • “Every relationship needs…a certain level of passion. For many straight couples, they don’t have access to positive passion, so the only passion is negative passion and fight-based.” – George (48:11)

10. The Age of Ironic Celibacy

• Post-Me Too exhaustion has left single women in a place of reflexive, sometimes ironic, celibacy—as a cultural joke and safety mechanism.
  • “In the same way men are driven towards being incels, there’s an ironic celibacy I’m seeing…as a joke, women are saying they don’t want to have sex.” – George (50:09)
• Political Sincerity vs. Party-Girl Nihilism: Young people are caught between “needing to have political justifications for everything” and wanting a nihilistic good time.
  • “It’s actually kind of difficult to do both. So I think that’s why we get ‘ironic celibate.’ You do want to fuck, but also want to be celibate and watch men die. It’s confusing.” – Kay (54:25)
• Everything Is A Prompt for Argument:
  • “Everything you see…is a prompt for an argument.” – George (57:29)

11. Longing for Play & Sensuality

• Flirting as Play & Pretend:
  • Kay highlights the lost art of flirtation, framing it as “the same muscle you use to play pretend,” necessary for good flirting and for playful, consensual sexuality (69:01).
  • “To be flirtatious without expectations goes against the sort of optimization ethos of the apps.” – George (71:15)
• Pickup Artists & the Return of Bad Game:
  • Young men at clubs revert to primitive or blunt come-ons (“I’ve been watching you from across the club for two hours now…”), missing the art of connection or respectful pursuit (71:38).
  • “Now we need pickup artist instructional videos, because they’re not doing lines anymore.” – Kay (72:08)

12. Not All Cultures Deserve Hookup Culture

• Kay’s take: Maybe straight culture doesn’t “deserve” or isn’t ready for the joyous, playful potential of good hookup culture until the basics of sensuality and playful pursuit are embraced (66:30).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On losing anticipation:
  “Within 24 hours, I now know all the other girls at the club he’s talked to, I know he has a foot fetish, I know he’s using a fake account… the mystery is gone.” – Kay (23:41)

• On mass-following as a red flag:
  “Mass following at all is a huge red flag…we talk about it.” – Sam (21:48), Kay (21:50)

• On makeup sex as a straight couple’s passion:
  “What happens is that all roads lead to makeup sex, which is objectively really good.” – Kay (49:13)

• On young people’s culture wars:
  “Everything is about nostalgia now in a really boring, really fucking exhausting way.” – Kay (56:53)

• On flirting as play:
  "Flirting is kind of the same muscle that you use to, like, play pretend…to interact with the world from a playful standpoint." – Kay (69:01)

• On straight men and game:
  “So many straight men feel like they aren’t getting the sex they deserve…because you have no swag.” – Kay (68:12)

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Important Timestamps

• 04:01 – 06:59: Banter about seeing places/films through other people’s perspectives
• 07:32 – 10:11: “Hipster Ariel”, names and identity humor
• 16:09 – 17:40: Social media as work/addiction and men with Instagram
• 17:52 – 22:24: Kay’s clown-makeup suitor, group chat “witchcraft” vigilante justice
• 23:41 – 24:49: How DMs have killed anticipation and narrative in hookup culture
• 28:13 – 33:12: ‘Straight Shooters’ segment—Q&A, humor, banter
• 37:34 – 39:23: Working for old gay queens; intergenerational queer grit
• 40:49 – 46:14: Main topic—hookup culture’s straight appropriation, app dynamics
• 47:47 – 50:08: Fighter/mean-to-me dynamic in straight relationships
• 54:25 – 56:53: Young people want to be both party nihilists and scolding moralists; ironic celibacy
• 69:01 – 71:15: Flirting as playful, not utilitarian—lost art of seduction

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Final Segment – Shoutouts (76:40–82:31)

• Sam: Parvati Shallow of Survivor—powerful, strategic, physically/emotionally strong.
• George: Ordering simple ice cream at restaurants as a form of self-pleasure and honesty.
  • “Life is too short to try to be fancy with it. Just order the ice cream.” (79:28)
• Kay: Shoutout to the local pho restaurant for not judging her bringing old men on dates and for the safety of corner booths.

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Overall Tone & Style

• Witty & Irreverent: Constant camp, queer-coded banter, jokes about identity, self-awareness, and contemporary absurdities.
• Critical but Playful: The tone oscillates between hard truths about culture and light-hearted, satirical takes—never slipping into defeatism, always playful.
• Insightful Social Commentary: The episode is laser-focused on “vibes” and “trends,” explaining how online dating and digital discourse shape modern sexuality.

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For Listeners: Key Takeaways

• Hookup culture in straight contexts often flounders because it lacks the playfulness, anticipation, and consent-focused sensuality present (historically) in queer spaces.
• The digitalization of desire has led to a flattening of the chase, mass-pursuit behaviors, and the death of narrative intrigue.
• Young people today are culturally torn between performative politics and nostalgia-based nihilism, resulting in weird hybrid behaviors (like ironic celibacy).
• Real flirtation, sensuality, and connection often require the “muscle of play”—something that is squashed by both app culture and anxious straight social scripts.
• There is wisdom in both ancient queer communities and modern queer/alt dating cultures—don’t be afraid to be playful, quirky, or even ruin the vibes for the greater good.

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Memorable Quote to End:

“To be flirtatious without expectations goes against the sort of optimization ethos of the apps… you’re just actually having fun.” – George (71:15)

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This summary captures the essence, key arguments, and best moments of the episode. For the full immersive experience, definitely listen—preferably with some vintage goth club vibes and a side of pho.

Transcript

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[Kay Poirier]

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[George Severis]

Speaking of tanning, I was sunning my.

[Sam Taggart]

Nether regions cause I read that you're.

[Kay Poirier]

Supposed to like get sun not only in your mouth, but also in your other orifices. Wait, are you talking about you put.

[George Severis]

Your hole into the sun?

[Kay Poirier]

I did. That's crazy. Downward dog mooning the sun. I was gonna say. Is it cheeks open?

[George Severis]

It's cheeks open all the way wide.

[Kay Poirier]

Is it cheeks open? Uh huh.

[George Severis]

Who's holding them?

[Kay Poirier]

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[Sam Taggart]

Hello all, it's Sam here to remind you guys about the west coast leg of our standup tour, which is just around the corner. At the end of September, early October, we are going to San Francisco, Seattle, Portland and Los Angeles, California. We have added a second date in Seattle and we have added a late show in Portland because our first dates for both sold out. So get tickets to those extra dates. And I believe there's still tickets for both San Francisco and Los Angeles. I can't say that forever. Ooh, amazing voice crack. So get tickets. Oh yeah, and also I'm doing a solo standup show in New York on November 7th at Union Hall. It's going to be small, intimate vibes. So basically get tickets to all of those shows at our bio. And we have truly had so much fun doing co headlining shows on the east coast and we can't wait to bring it to the west coast. So see you there and enjoy the episode. XOXO Sam. Podcast starts now. What is up everyone? You are listening to Stradiolab coming at you bi coastally.

[George Severis]

What's going on over there in the city of Los Angeles, would you say?

[Sam Taggart]

Oh God, nothing. Ain't nothing going on here. Wait, I have something. So you know how I complain about LA all the time? That's sort of my whole thing for sure. So that's my whole thing. And I recently had my brother in law come stay with us this weekend and I was like, okay, well let's like show them la. Obviously I complain about it constantly, but we'll scramble together something fun. And when I say we had the greatest weekend start to finish, like, I was like, why would I ever complain about this place? It's heaven on earth. And again, it's because I was seeing it through someone else's eyes and who is just here for one weekend.

[George Severis]

Sorry, I'm laughing because when you said brother in law, my thought went to your sister's husband and obviously you're talking about one of Misha's gay brothers.

[Sam Taggart]

Exactly.

[Kay Poirier]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Okay. I was like, you did what?

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, we took him to the Eagle and he really liked it. No, no, we took one of Misha's gay brothers. Shout out, shout out to all around 10 and it was so fun and like, obviously it's like the thing with la, everywhere we went we saw people we knew and we were like, wow, what an amazing community. And it was like fun start to finish. But the thing is when you're here for a weekend, of course, that's fun. When you're here for a month, there's only six places you can go.

[George Severis]

Yeah. It's interesting seeing something through someone else's eyes. Of course. I recently had this experience because I rewatched the film Materialist with my mom, and I saw it through her eyes, and I would say, through a mother's eyes. And I now like that movie, which, when I first saw it, I said, this is not good. And actually the dialogue is really stunted and none of the performances make sense. I wish for a second time I said, oh, so this is what they're up to in New York.

[Sam Taggart]

No, I. I've always seen that film from a mother's perspective, I must say.

[George Severis]

Do you.

[Kay Poirier]

I.

[George Severis]

It's interesting. Seeing something through a mother's perspective can both be expansive, like you can. It can actually give you a really new set of values and an extended kind of empathy, but it can also be limiting you because it's like, think of all the things that we do in our daily lives that if you saw through a mother's eyes, you'd be horrified.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, the things. First of all, yes. Everything we do in our daily lives, a mother would. Would run screaming at. But I even think it's hard for me to shake the mother's perspective when I'm listening to music. Like, there's always the mother inside of me being like, what are they doing these days? Like. Or like, when something's too repetitive, the mother perspective kicks in and goes like, can we skip it? Is this broken? Like. And I'm like, I hate that.

[George Severis]

This is why I can never listen to, like, 100 gecks because I love my mom too much.

[Sam Taggart]

I mean, literally. And even sometimes I'll listen to 100 gecks to be, like, to make my inner mom upset. To be like, totally. Yeah.

[Kay Poirier]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

You want to be rebellious.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

And so you're listening to 100 gigs alone in your room.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. Being like, take that. Take that mother perspective. Ugh, I love that. So, yeah, that's what's been up with me.

[George Severis]

That's what's going on. Should we bring in our guest? Wow, is that crazy? I know. This is, like, one of the world's shortest intros, but I'm sort of like, I don't know. I'm looking at her right in front of me. She's like, in between us, she sort of is giving, honestly, kind of challengers, like, she's a Zendaya and we're the.

[Sam Taggart]

Two twangs and yet it's also like Ariel. Like, there's something Little Mermaid going on here.

[George Severis]

Yeah, it's definitely Little Mermaid because of the hair. For sure. It's sort of like Little Mermaid if she also was a raver.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. You know what it is? Remember Hipster Ariel meme from 2010?

[George Severis]

She is literally hipster Ariel come to life.

[Kay Poirier]

Oh, wait, I gotta break the silence. That's perfect.

[George Severis]

Okay, wait, please welcome. Please welcome Kay Poirier.

[Kay Poirier]

I was quiet for so long.

[George Severis]

Okay, wait, so you are. So you are Hipster Ariel. Have you sort of like, I kind of planned your look around that?

[Kay Poirier]

No, actually. Well, because my mom was a fake ginger, and so I was like, I'll just do that. Which.

[George Severis]

So you were. Actually, you're talking about seeing something through your mother's eyes. You said, I'm gonna.

[Kay Poirier]

I'm gonna be Hipster Ariel. Yes. Yeah. My mom was regular Ariel and now Hipster Ariel. Yeah. I'm excited to see what my daughter becomes. Yeah.

[George Severis]

What's your daughter gonna become? She's gonna be, like, Goth Ariel.

[Kay Poirier]

I don't know what she's gonna be. I'm gonna. I am planning. If I have a daughter, I'm going to name her Sloane because I want her to be predisposed to be at least, like, kind of a more butch, bisexual type of. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, but we'll see. I just want her to be evil. I've just. If I have a daughter, she needs to be, like, a bitch.

[George Severis]

You know, Sloan is one of the more powerful names, because it's interesting you are saying that it's butch, and of course, I see where you're coming from, but also imagine, like, a high femme businesswoman named Sloan.

[Kay Poirier]

I don't know that the. The name is Butcher, so. But it's just, like. It's tough. Like, you hear there's a girl named Sloane, and you're like, okay, she's probably gonna be pretty, and she's probably gonna be, like, too cool for this. And I think, yeah, you know, Sloane.

[Sam Taggart]

To me, she is a detective, but she herself breaks the law to, like, get to the bottom of it.

[Kay Poirier]

Sure. Kind of like, is that what Dexter? No, Dexter's a serial killer. I didn't watch the show.

[Sam Taggart]

You got the gist.

[Kay Poirier]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

I'm realizing mostly what I'm picturing is the poster for the film Miss Sloane starring Jessica Ch. Film I haven't seen, but she is a redhead in it, and she's honestly kind of giving you.

[Sam Taggart]

Whoa.

[Kay Poirier]

And I love that it's she's giving me, not. I'm giving her. Thank you for that.

[George Severis]

I think she was based on you.

[Kay Poirier]

She might have. You know, I wouldn't even be surprised at this point. I'm missing quite a few credits and quite a few projects, so that might be it.

[George Severis]

Do you feel like you're always in the same room as Jessica Chastain and then she gets the role and you don't?

[Kay Poirier]

You know, I kind of. I kind of feel like I've gotten. I think I've gotten a lot of success where Jessica has not managed to build her career in the way that I have. And so I think when Jessica gets a win, that's a win for me too, because I think she needs it to feel secure when we share our space together. You know what I mean?

[Sam Taggart]

That's nice.

[Kay Poirier]

So, Jessica, if you're out there, I know you're watching and I'm happy for you.

[George Severis]

Yes.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay. I have a follow up question. When Bryce Dallas Howard gets a role, do you feel that that also raises your profile or do you. That hurts her profile.

[Kay Poirier]

So when Bryce Dallas Howard gets a role, I get really confused because I say, wait, it's not Jessica Chastain. Did Jessica Chastain get a bbl? And then I say, oh, no, that's Bryce Dallas Howard. Where has she been? She is gorgeous. But me and Bryce are good. She's great.

[Sam Taggart]

That's good. That's good. I know you guys had beef in the past.

[Kay Poirier]

Yeah, well, it was a small thing, you know, it's not the same, Jessica. I think we won't get into that here. It's private information. But, you know.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, of course, of course. Wow. Well, I, you know, we said that we were all in bad moods before we started recording. And I want to say off the bat, my mood is already improved tenfold. And I kind of knew it would.

[Kay Poirier]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

And let me tell you something. If our guest was Jessica Chastain, my mood would not have improved by this point. I would be like, move. I would be, like, running a mile a minute trying to get literally anything out of that girl. I would be. I would be like, trying to remember what project she's promoting and how it's supposed to be empowering women. And you know what streaming platform it's on. And, you know, it's gonna be Apple TV plus.

[Kay Poirier]

Yeah. New Peacock original starring Jessica Chastain.

[George Severis]

You know, every month there's a new one.

[Sam Taggart]

There is always a new.

[George Severis]

She's always in some propaganda film. Well, then does she play a lot of spies? I just feel like she's all. I guess maybe I'm mostly thinking of0Dark30, but she's always sort of. She has, like, a. Like a chopped bob, and she's, like, trying to convince the president that she's right.

[Sam Taggart]

I have a. I have something to say. I think Jessica Chastain is always, like, grateful to be there in a way where I'm almost like, drop it. Like, at this point, you're Jessica Chastain. We all know who you are. You are like, a cultural figure. And she's always like, oh, my God, I'm just so grateful to be here. Like, this is so amazing. And I'm like, no, no. I want. I'm craving a little bit of entitledness from Mrs. Chastain, to be honest.

[Kay Poirier]

Jessica is she. Every time I see her in something, it's a movie that I'm rewatching for, like, the fourth time, and I just noticed that Jessica Justain was there, and I'm like, oh, my God, this bitch could do anything. Actually, like, what all has she been in? I know she was Tammy. She was Tammy Faye.

[George Severis]

She won the literal Oscar for Tammy Faye. And then she also was famously in the Help.

[Kay Poirier]

Yes. And she was in this.

[George Severis]

Do you remember in the summer of 2020 when the Help became the number one most streamed movie on Netfl. Netflix? And then, of course, there was, like, backlash. That was like. Well, actually, like, there are other movies you could be watching if you are a white person who is feeling white guilt or whatever. And then literally, Jessica chassis and had to release a statement.

[Kay Poirier]

Wait, I'm sorry.

[George Severis]

Am I thinking of Bryce Dallas? Coward.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, no.

[Kay Poirier]

You might be. You might.

[George Severis]

Hold on, I'm looking it up.

[Sam Taggart]

You might be.

[George Severis]

It's literally both of them.

[Sam Taggart]

Whoa.

[Kay Poirier]

Because they were both in it.

[George Severis]

They were both in it.

[Kay Poirier]

But see, and that one, it was easy to tell because one of them, I believe it was Bryce, was the blonde. So. No, it was. Wait, no, Jessica was the blonde one.

[George Severis]

Yeah, that sounds about right. And which one was evil? Or were they both evil?

[Kay Poirier]

I think Bryce was the evil one.

[George Severis]

Okay. And you know what's so crazy? Emma Stone is also in that movie.

[Sam Taggart]

Wow. Now I've seen everything.

[Kay Poirier]

Wow. I don't think I watched the Help.

[George Severis]

I don't know. I've never seen.

[Sam Taggart]

I can tell you now, I did not watch the Help.

[Kay Poirier]

Yeah. Did.

[Sam Taggart]

Did Emma put out a statement saying she's sorry?

[George Severis]

No. Emma doesn't have social media, famously. And honestly, you should know that.

[Kay Poirier]

Oh, honestly, good for her.

[Sam Taggart]

Good for her.

[Kay Poirier]

Honestly, good for her.

[George Severis]

She loves giving interviews where she's like, you know, I just have the kind of. Kind of personality where it would give me anxiety. And it's like, girl, we all do, but you have to put your hours in.

[Kay Poirier]

I feel like that also just means she runs multiple spam accounts. Like, that's what that means. Because at this point, I. I truly do not believe anybody. Like, oh, I'm not on social media. I don't have social media. Yes, you are. You're the freaks on the anonymous accounts. Like, that's how the ecosystem works.

[George Severis]

I actually had a sip. I had an interaction with someone we know. And I won't dox her, but her name is Jo Firestone. And it was. We were like. We were like, oh, my God, it's so impressive that you are not on Instagram anymore and you must have such a calm life. And then she was like, well, I do have an alt account where I see everything.

[Kay Poirier]

I was like, oh, so, okay, got it.

[Sam Taggart]

So you are on it.

[Kay Poirier]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. I don't even fantasize. I think I used to fantasize about, you know, throwing my phone into the ocean, but I'm kind of like, whatever, Like Instagram. I'm like, I'm at peace with it. If anything, it's also getting so flop that I'm like. It's almost like watching, like, a former bully, like, like, start to fail in life, where it's like, you maybe used to control my life, but now all I get are, like, the most insane AI videos or, like, podcast clips that make no sense or, like, did, like, did you know that the earthworm actually lives to be 2000 years old? And I'm like, this isn't literally not engaging me in any way, shape, or form. Instagram was built to make me feel bad, and it's not working anymore.

[Kay Poirier]

Yeah. And I kind of. I really try to, like, every time I hit it, like, ugh, I don't want to. I want to be a Luddite. I want to have a flip phone. Like, why are we posting on social media? I still remember. I still think about it sometimes. I saw this girl on my for you page. Chop little Bob, Tiny fierce little Bob, okb. And she says, you know, like, I just could never be an influencer because social media is so fake. And da da da da da. You guys have to da da da da da da da girl. I go to her page, and that was four months ago. And now every single day, she's posting, get ready with me. So I know you're Lying. I know you're all lying. And I think honestly for me it's become work. So I feel like opening Instagram, I'm like, this is my job. I don't want to be here. So I don't know. Every time I hear that, to me it says I am actively addicted to doom scrolling and I wish I was. I don't know. I don't know.

[George Severis]

I actually think seeing it as your job is the most healthy relationship one can have with it. Because it's like, yes, a job is meant to make you feel a little bad. Like the idea of like quote unquote, to use the term, like soul sucking, like, yes, an office job is soul sucking. So if Instagram is your job. Yeah, it's going to make you feel a little bad.

[Kay Poirier]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

What I don't get is being a casual user. It's like, so wait, you are actually like a satisfied, financially secure accountant, you have three beautiful children and you still want to go to Instagram so you can be exposed to AI disinformation?

[Sam Taggart]

Well, they have to volunteer at Instagram.

[Kay Poirier]

Well. And so that this actually brings me to something. I know that there is a lot of. Well, people are insane now. I think relationships and dating have been forever, like truly plagued and riddled and rotted by social media. But I know there's a lot of opinions in the ether about posting your significant other and being mutuals with your significant other on social media. And I, I am not going to lie. I, I feel like, particularly for men, particularly for heterosexual men, seeing that they have an Instagram account and knowing that they have a girlfriend or a wife, I'm like, loki, why do you have that? Like, that's the one time I'm like, why do you even. Why do you have this? Because you don't post. That's your wife. You're boring. And this is not your job. You work at finance, whatever. So I don't know, I do think about that sometimes. I'm like, that's weird to me. Yeah.

[George Severis]

But they have to like watch clips of sports betting, podcasts and then occasionally like, and then like, occasionally like a photo of like a 19 year old girl.

[Kay Poirier]

Yeah, yeah, like suspiciously 19 years old. Yeah, it's evil. You know, actually met a guy at the club. He found my. Did not ask me for my Instagram. Found my Instagram. This is a golf club. So this makes a little more sense. But he has a separate Instagram account, the one that he DM me on, where he only wears clown makeup and uses a fake name. And only follows trans women. Started flirting with me and then went through my Instagram and followed every girl tagged in my pictures. And I was like, it is so funny. You're really sexy. And I. You almost would have gotten away with that. But I am going to disembowel you the next time I see you at the club, I am going to take your guts out with a spoon. But, like, what do you mean? What do you know?

[George Severis]

That's.

[Sam Taggart]

That is one of the scariest things I've ever heard, to be honest. Like, the clown makeup is, like. That's like, murderer vibes.

[Kay Poirier]

And see, it's a golf club. So, like, okay, sure, because.

[George Severis]

And you're like, okay, let's not be.

[Kay Poirier]

Disrespectful about the concept and watch your mouth about my culture. But no, the. The issue and the thing that happens is, for whatever reason, this specific goth club is like a spawning point for sickeningly, disturbingly beautiful transgender women. And so now the chasers are getting sophisticated and. Which this was not sophisticated.

[George Severis]

And here's a question for you. Are these beautiful trans women goth, or are they actually, sorry, infiltrating the goth space and just being supermodels?

[Kay Poirier]

Well, so it's kind of that, to be honest, like, I very much want one of them. I could honestly give a shit. Honestly. When they play classic goth music at the goth club, I'm like, why does the music suck? I'm like, oh, it's so funny how this is not an Alejandro remix.

[George Severis]

You're holding the phone and it says Addison Rae to the dj. The DJ is like, full goth.

[Kay Poirier]

Yeah. I'm like, actually, can you play? Can you play, like, I don't know, Love Game or some shit? But it's. I feel like rarely anyone is goth at the goth club anymore. Like, half of them are emo at best, and most of it's from Shein. So I'm like, what are you really, bitch? At least my dress is vintage, you know? No, it's. And I also feel like, to me, I'm like, I feel like we're kind of allowed to go wherever we want. You know what I mean? Like, especially in Dallas. Like, what are you gonna do? I'll tase you.

[George Severis]

So, okay, so goth club full of beautiful trans women, and then clown guy is like, this is where I shine.

[Kay Poirier]

Yeah. Yes. Well, because then that's the hard thing is chasers, I feel, are starting to learn that they need to be, like, at least hot. And so, like, you can do clown makeup and then be ripped and it's.

[George Severis]

Like, well, oh, so that's what you're saying. So it's not that he's hot, that you saw him out of makeup and you're like, wow, you're actually really hot underneath all that makeup. It's that he's shirtless and he has a good body.

[Kay Poirier]

Well, he is a cute face too, because he. That's the weird thing. He has the fake clown face account, but immediately DM me like, 20 pictures of his face about clown makeup. So it's like, you know, you're still learning. Like, you're getting your giraffe legs, you know, whatever.

[Sam Taggart]

I do think it's just distasteful to follow. Like, mass following at all is a huge red flag.

[George Severis]

It is.

[Sam Taggart]

And you have to, like, like, sometimes I find myself, you know, as someone that is obsessed with bears, always has been. You know, when the bears are all on vacation together, you're like, okay, obviously I can just click on this picture, see every single one of their usernames, and I could just hit follow, follow, follow, follow, follow. But you can't do that. You have to follow, like one to two of them and then, like, wait.

[Kay Poirier]

Six months because they talk about it.

[Sam Taggart]

They talk.

[Kay Poirier]

We talk about it. Well, and that's the thing, too. I know for various communities. For various different communities, it's a harmful stereotype that. Oh, they all know each other. They all know each other. Hot, cool, trans women actually do all know each other and will tell each other about this stuff. You know what I mean? And so it's like, girl, I know half these bitches and you're following. We're gonna kill you. We're gonna ritual sacrifice you.

[Sam Taggart]

It's gonna be like, weapons.

[Kay Poirier]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Oh, my God. You guys should do weapons on him.

[Sam Taggart]

You should do weapons.

[Kay Poirier]

Do you guys want to know? Okay, I don't know if either of you are familiar with, but there is this, like, meme audio that's been going around for such a long time. And it's like these women chanting in Spanish. They're like, doing a dark magic spell. Me and my friends, whenever a guy pisses one of us off, we will occasionally be like, should we do the circle? And then we'll share his number with each other and I'll send him the, like, the copy pasted text of that meme with his phone and then, my God, block him. But that's kind of like a fun way we found to break up with men.

[Sam Taggart]

Sure.

[Kay Poirier]

That's actually really toxic and bad. Like, no, it's good.

[George Severis]

No, I Think it's good.

[Sam Taggart]

I think it's good.

[Kay Poirier]

Thank you, guys. Thank you.

[George Severis]

The mass following is interesting because it's like, it. On the one hand, yes, it is this guy's fault for being creepy. On the other hand, he's using a platform that is almost designed to encourage that kind of behavior. Like, when you gamify human relationships to that extent, it's like, yes, it's his fault because he should have more emotional intelligence, but it's also, you're putting the onus suddenly on the user to, like, define normal behavior. And what if he's, you know, it doesn't come naturally to him?

[Kay Poirier]

Well, and I think the real issue comes in that the. The DM ification of like, trying to hit a bitch up has really stripped, I think, like, the allure of, like, anticipation. Do you know what I mean? Like, you meet someone at the club, because here's what would have happened. Here's what would have happened if he had never slid into my DMs. I would have been like, oh, yeah, that, like, guy with the clown makeup and a nice body. Like, we were kind of talking. He was so cute. I wonder if he's gonna be there next week. But instead, what happened is within 24 hours, I now know all the other girls at the club he's talked to. I know he has a foot fetish. I know he's using a fake account. And I know that he's kind of like, you know, like, the mystery is gone. And I already know that he wants me, so now it's not fun anymore. You know, we've like, fast forwarded to the end because at least I feel like without the DMs, like, at any time you meet. If you meet someone at the club, they're going to be weird and the sex is probably gonna be bad. And, like, you're probably gonna not think very fondly of it later, but you can draw that out and have some mystique and you just can't do that anymore.

[George Severis]

You know, and have some longing, some storytelling.

[Kay Poirier]

You're.

[Sam Taggart]

You're missing the narrative.

[Kay Poirier]

Yes.

[George Severis]

And also, frankly, use your imagination.

[Kay Poirier]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Like, what technology does is just like, cut. You cut to the chase.

[Kay Poirier]

Yeah. And that's kind of boring. You know, I. I want.

[George Severis]

This is like, so perfectly leads into our topic, but we first have to do our first segment. Sam, shall we do that?

[Sam Taggart]

Let's run for a segment.

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[Sam Taggart]

So our first segment is called Straight Shooters. And in this segment we're going to ask you a series of rapid fire questions, basically this thing or this other thing. And the only rule is you can't ask any follow up questions. You have to pick one of those things and you can't ask any follow up questions or we will scream at you.

[Kay Poirier]

Okay.

[Sam Taggart]

So deeply upset.

[George Severis]

And I'm already. I'm sensing you're going to ask a question and I'm just telling you right now, you're going to not want to do that.

[Kay Poirier]

Okay?

[George Severis]

Okay. Gucci Mane or Ethel Kane?

[Kay Poirier]

Ethel Kane.

[George Severis]

Okay.

[Sam Taggart]

A prescient thought about gays or a present bot from K. Jewelers.

[Kay Poirier]

Wait, can you say it again?

[Sam Taggart]

Oppression. Thought about gays or a present bought from K. Jewelers.

[George Severis]

I thought you were saying oppressed.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, no.

[Kay Poirier]

Oppression. I was. Oppression for the gays or gay jewelers? Oppression. Thought about the gays.

[George Severis]

Okay. Shine bright like a diamond or sit tight and eat an almond.

[Kay Poirier]

Sit tight and eat an almond.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay. Live, laugh, love or move that bus.

[Kay Poirier]

Move that bus.

[George Severis]

Okay. Shoplifting from Sephora or re. Gifting.

[Kay Poirier]

Shoplifting from Sephora. Shoplifting from Sephora.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay. This one's a tough one in the sense that it barely works. Being kink positive or peeing in sync on a whim dam.

[Kay Poirier]

You know what, that's a toss up. I'm gonna say kink positive.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay.

[George Severis]

All right. Midnight cowboy. Big white sex toy. Or shine bright queer joy.

[Sam Taggart]

Wow.

[Kay Poirier]

Ooh. What was the first one?

[George Severis]

Midnight Cowboy.

[Kay Poirier]

And what was the second one?

[George Severis]

Big white sex toy.

[Kay Poirier]

That one.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay. Calling a therapist a shrink or calling yourself a dink.

[Kay Poirier]

Oh, calling the therapist a shrink. Wow.

[Sam Taggart]

Wow.

[George Severis]

So K, we rank all our guests performances on a scale of 0 to 1000 doves.

[Kay Poirier]

Doves?

[George Severis]

Doves. From the Lady Gaga song. 1000 doves. You should know that. From the goth club.

[Kay Poirier]

Damn it. Yeah. Okay, well, what am I getting? How many doves?

[George Severis]

Let's see, let's see. I do want to address, you know, you did multiple times ask a question in the form of a. Of asking us to repeat things. Sam.

[Kay Poirier]

I don't know.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay, that was a command.

[Kay Poirier]

Is that a follow up question?

[George Severis]

I guess. I guess you're right that I. I guess I can't believe I'm letting you dom me like this, but I guess you are right that it's not exactly a follow up question. It is more of a sort of clarification question.

[Kay Poirier]

That's right. Well, and I think is going to be.

[George Severis]

And I do like, I want to give you some extra points for pushing back on. On my criticism of your question asking. So we're looking certainly, we're looking certainly above an 800.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Kay Poirier]

Okay. What am I getting docked for, Sam?

[George Severis]

Okay, calm down, Sam. What are you thinking?

[Sam Taggart]

I'm gonna go with 856 doves.

[George Severis]

Yeah, I think that's correct.

[Kay Poirier]

I really, I actually would just love to know what are the four doves you're taking that's keeping me from 860. That's really what I would like to know. Those specific four, Sam.

[Sam Taggart]

So, you know, I just think you were rushing a bit. You know, there, there wasn't much luxuriating.

[Kay Poirier]

Okay.

[Sam Taggart]

And you know, this isn't work. This is play y and I think it's really important to, to you know, just find a really tasteful way to lounge in the game.

[George Severis]

And I just want to say, Kay, like you, I would say your best moment by far of course was interrupting me and saying shoplifting from Sephora. I mean that's classic sitcom acting. You were honestly being like Lisa Kudrow in that moment in kind of like a clip from Friends that would go viral, you know, and I really loved that. And then when where you lost me was I had that one that had three options and you asked me to repeat two of them. Now each time you ask me to repeat, I'm like, okay, a punchline is coming. A punchline is coming. A punchline is coming. But then you just chose one.

[Kay Poirier]

Well, little do you know. So that. And see, that's where I'm gonna come back to you, Samantha. That was actually where I was lingering on the question and considering my options. You gave me much to think about. Interesting imagination.

[Sam Taggart]

Ugh, don't even get me started.

[George Severis]

Well, in conclusion, you know, you is a very good score and I think you should be very proud of yourself.

[Kay Poirier]

Yeah, I'm proud. I'm proud. But next time I'll be coming for blood. Just, just know that we've brought.

[Sam Taggart]

We've brought some people down a peg before.

[George Severis]

Yeah, we brought some people down a peg.

[Sam Taggart]

We're not afraid to bring people down a peg.

[George Severis]

We're not actually. And we need to do it more.

[Kay Poirier]

The world of that.

[Sam Taggart]

Actually, the world needs a lot more of that. Too many.

[George Severis]

I agree. You know, young people these days are such Are so. Are so weak. And they're.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

They care so much about what language you use.

[Sam Taggart]

Totally. It's actually kind of crazy that' it's actually flipping now. Like millennials are the ones that care too much about language. And now it's going to be like, Gen Z is like, why do old people care so much about language?

[Kay Poirier]

We've become I in like the blink of an eye. I have watched Gen Z be like, actually, we are fucking evil again. Which has been super weird.

[Sam Taggart]

It's been weird. It's been confusing.

[George Severis]

It's confusing. But I'm also like. I'm like, I might not understand it, but I'm sort of like, let them cook. Like, it's not. I think they need to go through. Nothing good will come of me scolding a 19 year old. Like, I actually do need them to make their own decisions. And I know that the arc of, you know, whatever Martin Luther King said.

[Kay Poirier]

Yeah. I don't leave it there.

[Sam Taggart]

Whatever he said, I'm. I'm in.

[Kay Poirier]

I'm into it.

[George Severis]

The arc of history bends toward justice.

[Kay Poirier]

Yeah. Yeah. You know, and in 1818, I mean, I remember myself at that time and now seeing them run around in the wild stuff. You actually can't. I don't think that. I think there's like a three year g where the brain stops taking in information. Yeah. And it's just kind of like your job is to drink prematurely and then.

[George Severis]

And you have to do whip it.

[Kay Poirier]

Do you know, I was pressured into taking a whip at one time, but the canister was empty and I just lied and I was like, that was awesome. And put it back on the table and walked away because I was truly. I was horrified. This was also, by the way, at a goth club after party.

[George Severis]

Well, of course.

[Kay Poirier]

Yeah. Don't ever go to one of those. Genuinely, ever.

[Sam Taggart]

I'm sorry, but the idea of a goth club after party in Dallas, Texas, sounds like one of the like, most interesting places to be. Yeah.

[Kay Poirier]

They all turn into orgies. And not an orgy that is well organized, of course. Which is really kind of where my gripe is. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's not the orgy, it's where's the schedule. Yeah.

[George Severis]

You want to bring a sort of militaristic Jessica Chastain vibe to the goth orgy. You want to say, let's actually kind of sit down and figure out who's going to be in that corner, who lives in that corner and how we're going to.

[Sam Taggart]

Where's there? Where's the drink station. Like, where can I wait?

[Kay Poirier]

Who's running refreshments? Yeah, like, what's going on?

[George Severis]

Yeah, who are the liquor sponsors? Because it looks like there's just a bunch of empty bottles here.

[Kay Poirier]

Right? And I'm not drinking. Yeah, I'm not doing that.

[George Severis]

Yeah, the whips are not even working. We're giving each other literally just whippets that are empty.

[Kay Poirier]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

And seriously, you guys, when are we all going to come? Like. Like, would you have to tell me when we're all gonna come? Because if I come too early down.

[Kay Poirier]

The line, what's going on?

[Sam Taggart]

Because I'll do whatever. Just tell.

[Kay Poirier]

Just.

[Sam Taggart]

We need to organize because I refuse to be left out.

[Kay Poirier]

I know. God. You know, maybe that's the. The. The Dom in me. I want to be the one running everything. And I don't like showing up and it's. It's already halfway and it's. It's not good. It's like, well, there's no fucking reason for me to be here.

[Sam Taggart]

You know, the. The only time I've done whippets was with a group of gays guys and one straight guy. And I was like, so interesting. You're the one straight guy. And he was obviously so hot to me. And not because he was one straight guy, because he was hot to me. And I kept being like, damn, he's so hot. I wish he wasn't straight. And then I kept telling people that and, like, within earshot of him. And then he kept being like, I'm straight. I'm engaged to a woman. And I was like, okay, why are.

[Kay Poirier]

You hanging out with a bunch of. We literally.

[Sam Taggart]

Why are we hanging out with the gay guys at like 3am Also get this. But five years later. Bye.

[Kay Poirier]

Well, yeah, that is.

[George Severis]

And what is he currently. Is he still with a woman?

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, but, but. But open and by.

[Kay Poirier]

He's by.

[George Severis]

Oh, open and by.

[Kay Poirier]

Okay. See, I don't feel like that works for straight I. Not to be hateful. I. The only people that I have actually known make open an open relationship work, specifically an open relationship, are old gay men that I have met who do that.

[George Severis]

No, you're right.

[Kay Poirier]

You're absolutely right.

[George Severis]

You have to have lived through. Sorry, the age crisis.

[Kay Poirier]

No, literally, though, it's literally a different thing. Like, we are not the generation that could actually handle the type of like, hootin any bullshit that people are talking about doing with their fucking throuples nowadays. You had to live through the AIDS crisis at my. The antique store that I worked at. And I Still cover shifts for him sometimes my boss and his husband are the nastiest. Old queens, like, I mean, evil, evil bitches, liver spots. He's constantly getting shit removed at the dermatologist. I went in there to cover a shit for him for the first time in like four months. The other day, he's missing a tooth. Now I think he's just going out back and fighting. People, they are never nice to each other and they're my favorite people on earth. Anytime I'll show him like a picture from an event and he'll be like, I was doing drag in the 70s and back then you were either a brick or you were fish and I'll just go back to work or. No. What does he say? He says, oh, God, I don't remember what it is, but I remember one time he literally looked me up and down. He goes, back in my day, you had to be fish. And then goes to his office and I was like, and you know what, bitch? Let me go blend my. Let me go blend my face. Excuse me, excuse me.

[George Severis]

And then you came back and you made your entrance.

[Kay Poirier]

I did. And I got more beautiful because he put that heat on me every single day.

[George Severis]

That's right.

[Sam Taggart]

You know, pressure makes a diamond.

[George Severis]

And that's why what he did was good.

[Kay Poirier]

Right.

[George Severis]

I actually think that's how, if anyone's listening, if any HR departments, like, that's how you should speak to your employees in an inclusive way.

[Sam Taggart]

Critique women's faces.

[Kay Poirier]

Yeah, I'm sorry. If you are a 60 year old gay man, I will take that from you. If you're 50 or under, though, I will stab you. That's.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Kay Poirier]

You know what I mean?

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, that's actually true. That's true. That's complex.

[Kay Poirier]

I do. I think if you were a drag Queen in the 70s in Texas, you can honestly hit me. I don't. You can do whatever you want. It's completely fine. Girl, you earned your stripes, you know.

[Sam Taggart]

Damn, I love that.

[Kay Poirier]

Wow.

[George Severis]

Have you considered pitching a reality show about you working at an antique store run by two old queens who were drag queens in the 70s in Texas?

[Kay Poirier]

You know, I feel like that would hit a little close to home for me. So I. I haven't. But something similar to that is actually actively being pitched right now. Sort of not a reality show, but hopefully, hopefully, maybe sometime next year you'll see that and say, oh, that bitch stole the idea that I gave her on my podcast. I'm calling my lawyer and say something horrible about you and we can have.

[George Severis]

Yeah, no, I'm excited to have a.

[Kay Poirier]

Big fight, like a nasty public beef for attention for both.

[George Severis]

I'm coming for blood. I'm. It's really going to be below the belt stuff. I'm going to comment. I'm going to say, look at what hipster Ariel is saying now.

[Kay Poirier]

This knockoff mermaid.

[George Severis]

Knockoff mermaid ass.

[Kay Poirier]

Literally perfect.

[George Severis]

Okay.

[Kay Poirier]

K. Yes.

[George Severis]

As you know, this podcast is about straight culture, and everyone brings a straight topic, and then we discuss what's straight about it. So we would like to extend the question to you. What is your straight topic and what. What is straight about it?

[Kay Poirier]

I decided to be controversial today, and I. I am going to say that I think hookup culture is slowly being sucked into the vacuum of straightness. I think that's where the appropriation is happening now. I do.

[Sam Taggart]

And I think this is really interesting because obviously, the. The stereotype would be like, you know, gay guys especially, it's like, hook up, hook up, hook up, hook up. Left and right, left and right, left, right. And now you're saying that. That straight people are taking our techniques and utilizing them for their own sick and twisted games very poorly.

[George Severis]

So tell me, you know, you're out there, you're dating, you're on apps. What are you seeing?

[Kay Poirier]

Well, so I do have serious thoughts about this, but it's kind of shocking because here's the thing. There was a time. There was a time where if you were a man, this is how your life would work. You would meet a woman in your early 20s, she'd be a cis woman, and you would, like, lie to her and be like, you're my princess. I'm gonna give you the world. We're gonna die together. And then you would marry her, and then you would go pay a trans woman to you. And now it's like, men just go on Tinder, and they kind of just message all the women, regardless of genitals, something very, like, strangely sexual. You know what I mean? It's like a pickup line. Like, sometimes, like, a nasty pickup line is, like, hot. But the way they do it, it does feel like, like they're trying to lure you into, like, a saw trap, and there's no offer of, like, I. I don't know. Like, I almost often feel like CIS women and trans women now in the dating game are kind of getting dogged out in the same way, and no one's getting paid, and they're expecting a lot of things for free. And I think gay men have built a beautiful hookup culture, and I'm so glad that like Sniffies is here because Grindr is becoming weirdly romantic now and so somewhere needs to be dirty. You know what I mean? But sorry, this is kind of like a huge tangent.

[George Severis]

No, I think part of what you're saying is like hookup culture with gay guys. There's a joie de vivre in it. Or at its best. I mean, I do think now with everyone, like being on G and needing like 15 loads at all times, it is getting a little more sort of optimized. But in the heyday, it was just like, okay, everyone's talking. It's so fun. At any point you could hook up with your friend. Like, at any point you could look at a map and see who's around, but no one is like copying and pasting the same thing to 15 people.

[Kay Poirier]

Yeah, right. Well, and I think the issue too is that there was a time where casual sex. And now I'm going to put my serious hat on. There was a time, I think, like, you know, I think pre 2000 and tens in particular, like very early 2000s. And you would see it a lot in like those like, kind of college comedy movies, like really nasty, like drunk hookup sex was really normal for straight people culturally, but that was very much like from a man's perspective. And then I think we kind of started, you know, like, you know, like leading up to like the Me Too era, I think, kind of really hearing women say, like, oh, this isn't like good. This is like only good for the guy. And then now I feel like we're kind of coming full circle and people are being like, why aren't you guys anymore? And it's like, well, because do you remember what happened the last time straight people tried to regularly have casual sex? It doesn't work. There's no history. And it always ends up being weird, you know, and now I feel like it's become easier than ever. And they treat Tinder like it's Grindr. Like, you don't, you don't get dates on Tinder. Do you guys know that? That.

[Sam Taggart]

No.

[George Severis]

So tell, tell us more about that because we've been certainly out of the loop, straight dating wise for a while. And Tinder especially, I'm like, I, I, I think of it as like per, as like always fossilized in like 2015.

[Kay Poirier]

Yeah. Well, so it kind of should be. It kind of.

[George Severis]

But now you're saying it's changed. Now it's like the men. And is that why then people go to Bumble, which is like women message.

[Kay Poirier]

Yes. And it Changed nothing. It changed absolutely nothing. So how it works, Hinge. Hinge is going to be men who are slightly less attractive than you would like.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Kay Poirier]

But they are really sweet and they're kind of at that, that perfect point of like, I still want to try, but I am getting desperate. And so I am actually going to treat you pretty well, at least for the first couple months ones. You know what I mean? And so that's fun. Hinge is really cool to be to me. Tinder. Do you guys remember how there's a tab on there that you could put what your relationship goals are and one of those options is still figuring it out? You remember that?

[Sam Taggart]

I remember that.

[Kay Poirier]

Yeah. So that is basically the Tinder straight guy equivalent of the tab on Grindr that says YES in all caps. Send NSFW pics. That's what that. Got it.

[Sam Taggart]

Got it.

[Kay Poirier]

Yeah. And it's pretty much like you match with a bunch of guys during the day and then your phone literally shuts down at 3am because they're all texting you to come over and it like, you know, it spasms out the, the wires or whatever. It's evil. It's really, really strange to me.

[Sam Taggart]

I don't know, does it, does it work? Like are, are these guys getting to hook up up?

[Kay Poirier]

Yeah, I have to imagine they're not because at this point it's just cat calling but on my phone. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Which. And I'm not like, I'm not like woke scolding them like I'm with them and I, because I, I like the attention. I'm going to say that, you know. But no, I haven't. I, I'm not going to your home at 3am do you know what I mean?

[George Severis]

And are women doing that as well? Like our women being like come over? I'm. It's 2:00am no.

[Kay Poirier]

Every time I match with a woman, she. We never speak. No, I mean we never see.

[George Severis]

Well, of course. That's sort of a classic.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, that's amazing.

[George Severis]

I mean are women like, are you doing that to men? Like are. Are straight women or like male attracted women doing that to men?

[Kay Poirier]

No, to be honest, I've been completely like, I'm completely pills on the whole. Like I'm not talking to you first.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Kay Poirier]

I'm not making any plans. And it's crazy because I used to be very like, like actually like even if I was with a man, like it'll be a queer relationship. It's not like you make the plans. You tell me where you're taking me, you text me that you miss me. I'm not doing that. But also, well, straight men actually like when you're mean to them, which is also kind of the really unfortunate thing, you know, because I'm not a mean girl. I think I've been very nice to both of you this whole time.

[Sam Taggart]

You've been super nice.

[Kay Poirier]

Yeah. Can you say it again?

[George Severis]

So, and then.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, I. The wanting. I see that dynamic in straight relationships a lot where the straight man wants the woman to be mean to him. It like, is this weird cycle where I'm like, this is a bizarre form of foreplay where like the man will like make mistakes and be like doofy and the woman will just fucking lose her shit at him. And like, that's just like, that just means they're having an amazing day and they're gonna have sex later.

[George Severis]

So here's the thing with that. I actually think, you know, every relationship needs, needs a certain level of passion. It's almost like the fuel that keeps it going. And I think for many straight couples, they don't have access to positive, like positive valence passion. So the only passion they do have is like negative passion and like fight based passion. So it's like they're bickering or they're like, you know, you imagine like sort of like a middle aged stray couple that's super into like real estate or something. All of that. That's like the way they can, the way they can access passion. Whereas like, you know, it's like for a, for a gay couple, it's let's say bringing someone in and having a threesome. Or for a lesbian couple, it's like investing in a really complicated sex toy that they read about. And so I do think that there is something kind of complex and kinky happening with a woman yelling at a man.

[Kay Poirier]

No, you're actually completely right because what happens is that all roads lead to makeup sex, which is, yeah, objectively, really good. You know what I mean?

[George Severis]

And the idea of makeup sex, if I may, is a very like straight rom com type thing. It's like makeup sex is something that like girls in Sex in the City would talk about at brunch as like. And then I thought to myself, are we making it up when we have makeup sex? Like that is what makeup sex is. It's, it's like, like, it's like one of those. It's honestly something that Dakota Johnson would talk about in Materialists.

[Sam Taggart]

So we need a materialist sequel. Materialist 2. When can I Ask you something, Kate, because.

[Kay Poirier]

Okay, yeah, you can.

[George Severis]

I feel like we. You mentioned me too, then post. Me too. There was this, like, era of almost like semi ironic misandry of like, all men suck, blah, blah. I do think as a culture, we are past that.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

But it's almost like nothing has replaced it. And yeah, what I'm seeing, and this is anecdotal, and I'm seeing this with like, some of my single women friends. There's almost like, in the same way that men are driven towards being incels, there's an almost like an ironic celibacy that I'm seeing. It's almost like as a joke, women are. Women I know are saying they don't want to have sex.

[Kay Poirier]

Yeah. You know, well, so I think there's a lot happening and I really. I really do think about this often. I think I'm really fascinated by what is happening with this line that I brought up earlier. The, like, young people don't anymore. Yeah, I. I actually love that line and I think it's so funny because I think, like, culturally, like, specifically, like, a lot of the aesthetics going on right now and a lot of the music that's really big in party scenes and kind of this whole. And maybe I'm biased about this. I'm on substack, but, like, the way that substack princesses talk about the app and writing and Rainy Magnet Dumbler, you know, I think people my age, like, like, you know, like early, early to mid-20s are kind of at this point right now where they're realizing, like, our youth. Like when I was like 10, 11, 12, and Internet culture was kind of really taking over the world world, we all had this conception that that was millennial culture. And it really wasn't actually millennial culture at all. That was a very specific subset of millennials online making content that mostly children were consuming that ended up paving the way for the mainstream. And so we actually kind of really missed a lot of real cool millennial cultural output. And now they're like, we're doing indie sleaze dance party and at the fucking, like, shitty club down the road.

[George Severis]

Totally.

[Kay Poirier]

And what is. What does indie sleaze mean? Like, what are you talking about when you say that? But that so much of that stuff at the time, you know, it was very, like. I feel like a lot of it, like, musically in particular, it was very nihilistic. And that's why, like, the party culture was really cool. And especially when we look back at, like, the hipsters taking cool pictures on their iPhones with the sepia filter. Like, like, yeah, it's cool because everybody was really fucked up and having crazy sex and like nobody gave a shit about anything at those parties. And so I think they're kind of trying to go back there. And I think Brat Summer was like the really sexy, nasty brick on that road that confirmed it for me that people are kind of caught right now between wanting, like, young people are very caught between wanting to justify all of their stupid opinions politically somehow. Like every, like you can't just hate anything or dislike something or like something. You have to have like a weirdly thought out, like political moral reason that you like or don't like that thing. But then they also want to like, do cocaine and pass out in an alleyway in like a ripped tank top with a Union Jack on it. You know what I mean?

[Sam Taggart]

Totally.

[Kay Poirier]

I don't know if that answers your question.

[George Severis]

First of all, I'm fascinated. Sorry, go ahead, Sam.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, I, I doesn't, I felt like it was a very interesting journey because I, I, I see what you mean. Like, I think the understanding millennial culture later is like a very real thing. And I think millennials, we didn't do, like, we didn't have political reasons why we were disliking things or liking things. It was very surface level, like, this is cool, this isn't cool. And I feel like because we weren't having so much online discussion, we weren't all like a little bit scholars about things that we shouldn't have been.

[Kay Poirier]

Well, no one is now either. But it's like you're expected to do this language thing, you know what I mean? Even like for people who have no real politic at all.

[George Severis]

Yeah, but we, I, I, I'm trying to think if I cuz on the one hand. Yes, Sam, like when we were in our indie sleaze era, God, when we were doing all that, yes, it was sort of in a sense apolitical. But also we did invent being like friends is problematic.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, yeah, that's true.

[George Severis]

You know what I mean? Like, we did pave the way for then, but I think that was, I.

[Kay Poirier]

Do think that was two separate things.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Kay Poirier]

And now I think the issue is that people my age are like, I can do both. And it's like, actually, you really are gonna have a hard time being the nihilistic party girl and the bitch in a comment section. Like literally using buds buzzwords that your therapist told you last week to school another bitch in another comment. Like, like it's actually kind of Difficult to do both. You know what I mean? And so I think that's why we get the weird, like ironic celibate. Because you do want to fuck like you do. I know you want to fuck like crazy, but you also want to be like celibate and you want to like watch men die. And it's very confusing. I think there's just a lot of.

[George Severis]

Okay, yes. And now you're bringing it back to like the celibacy thing, I do think. And maybe what we're. What all this is leading to is like this idea that young people aren't having sex. It's not quite that they're not having sex. It's that they. They are pulled in these two very different opposite directions. And like, haven't decided yet. So there are.

[Kay Poirier]

They have.

[George Severis]

Part of them is pulled to like just extreme promiscuity in a nihilistic way. And then the other part is pulled towards like trad. Celibacy.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay, I have something. I'm like, okay. In the same way that you're. The claim right now is that like straight people are claiming sort of gay hookup culture or trying to. There's something about it because like when we were gay in like 2010 or whatever, it was like, okay, well that's one of the worst things you can be. So I'm like, I'm like, either not gonna do that or I'm gonna like be anonymous and insane. And so there was like this like push and pull of like, well, am I like cool indie straight seeming guy or am I like sucking like a theater guy's dick, like, which is it? And I feel like that's where like straight people are currently, like, they're like, am I like scholar who hates men or am I like, like initially slut? Totally.

[Kay Poirier]

No, you're absolutely right. Right. Well. And I think the big problem too is that once straight women, I think culturally kind of all were like, we all publicly now know and accept and agree that drunk sex with a man, like messy one off, drunk sex with a man is not fun or good. You can't put that back in the box. And I think the fantasy of like, why isn't everyone at this party fucking right now? Like, involves that creature not being released from the box.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Kay Poirier]

When you're a straight person. Do you know what I mean?

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Kay Poirier]

And you can't really go back. But I think like, everything is about nostalgia now in a really boring, like, really fucking exhausting way. Everything is some kind of a nostalgia piece. And so it's hard to I think it's just hard for people to separate those ideas out. And I think that also kind of comes from, like, the way Internet language has evolved to just take, like, very strong words with very specific meanings to just be, like, argument fodder now, you know, like, nothing really means anything, so they don't know what they're talking about.

[George Severis]

Yep. And everything is a prompt.

[Kay Poirier]

Every.

[George Severis]

Like, everything you see is whether it's a little clip of a talk show or a new song, whatever. It is a prompt for an argument to happen. And no one actually cares about the specifics.

[Kay Poirier]

Right. No. We are all arguing about Sabrina Carpenter. I didn't. I don't even know what the album sounds like. I haven't heard.

[George Severis]

I haven't heard it. No one has, I believe.

[Kay Poirier]

I don't think anyone has. She could be doing it. She could be rapping that whole track list, and I would not know.

[Sam Taggart]

No one. Yeah, no one would know.

[Kay Poirier]

No one will.

[Sam Taggart]

This is interesting. It's. It's always. I feel both. It always feels so cathartic to sort of talk in such grand ways about, like, the culture now. And then I also feel like I zoom out and I'm like, damn, I bet I sound stupid as fuck, but. I know you sound really intelligent, but I love it. The nostalgia thing, I. This is, like, not groundbreaking, but I was even watching, like, some of the VMAs clips this morning, and, like, the Doja Cat performance, I was like, damn, she is such a good performer. Why is this just 80s themed? Like, I'm like, I don't need you to be 80s.

[Kay Poirier]

Can I be mean? Am I allowed to be mean on here? Because I'm so sweet.

[Sam Taggart]

This whole time you've been really sweet. You've been an angel.

[Kay Poirier]

I genuinely. I saw her sit down for one interview for this album. I was like, bitch, I am turning off. I'm not doing it with this fucking, like, Malibu realtor look she has going on. I cannot stand it. And I literally. Literally, I swear to God, if I see one more outfit on a red carpet that's like a reference to some look that Madonna passed out in in 94. I'm gonna shoot myself. I'm so tired. I don't. Why does. I don't like that? Everything is a reference. I hate it. It's.

[Sam Taggart]

I literally do feel like my. I crave. I'm hungry. I'm hungry for something exciting.

[Kay Poirier]

It doesn't even need to be, like, good. Just. No, totally something new, you know, Honestly, I'm sorry. I. I know she's very. People are very back and forth about how they feel about her. I actually really love Megan Salter. Like, everything she's kind of doing right now and all her little fashion moments and her very strange presence in her interviews. Like, I kind of like when she makes jokes and they flatline really bad. Like, I. I don't know. I like what she's doing. You know, just dressing up as different beverages, I think, at least funny.

[Sam Taggart]

No, I think you're right.

[George Severis]

Like, I actually. It's funny. I hadn't considered that. Meg is actually a unique figure right now.

[Kay Poirier]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

And as she's really on the up and up, she's. She's such an it girl. She's in the newly done Lena Dunham Show. It would be a great time for her to just behave and show up wearing, like, the dress that the brand sent her. And I actually do respect. I, like, hadn't fully thought about this. Like, I do actually respect that she's insisting on being literally more psychotic than ever.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, it's really amazing. It's, like, genuinely brave.

[Kay Poirier]

No. And it's like, it to the point. Like, it's actually, like. Because her whole character, like, I remember seeing her videos, and a lot of her delivery is about it seeming, like, halted and stuttery. And so I can't almost help but feel like, particularly that one moment, I don't even know what talk show she was on, but she's screaming like, get me out of here. Talking about London. It was kind of, like, awkward. Like, it was.

[Sam Taggart]

I think that might have been Colbert. Yeah.

[Kay Poirier]

Yeah. And it was, like, actually kind of uncomfortable. But it's like, I feel like you wanted that, and I kind of really respect that. Like, it seems like she kind of craves not even, like, oh, everyone's in on the bit, and so they're gonna laugh when I'm awkward. Like, she's actually trying to make people feel a little uncomfortable.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Kay Poirier]

And I really love that. I think it's really sucks.

[Sam Taggart]

See, actually, it also is literally.

[George Severis]

Sorry. But literally necessary in the talk show format because talk shows are so beyond stale. And I'm not, like, the first person to say that, but it's like, obviously, I. You know, I think it's sad when one of them is canceled. I think it's sad when one of. When, like, you know, you notice people sort of, like, moving on from the format. I grew up on talk shows. I grew up loving, like, Conan and whoever else. But, like, like, yeah, the reason people thought it was exciting to watch Letterman is because sometimes Interesting things would happen.

[Kay Poirier]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

That does not happen anymore.

[Sam Taggart]

Every once in a while.

[Kay Poirier]

No. After Lady Gaga chewed up that wad of paper, it was kind of all downhill from there. I don't know why she's. I sound like a huge Stan. I have not listened to anything since. What was the country one. I'm not going to lie.

[George Severis]

Since. Joanne, you didn't listen to Chromatica. Oh, girl, where do you think you're going?

[Kay Poirier]

So I'm the opposite of a stand. Honest to God, the second that I don't like a single foreign upcoming album, yeah, I'm out the door.

[Sam Taggart]

I kind of love that. It's nice to be honest with people. Like, there's something about. I feel that way a lot with, like, big franchises of, like, say, Star wars or something. Like. And, like, if it is bad, I out. Like, I make no loyalty.

[George Severis]

I have no loyalty. No, it's. And that's actually. That's called respect. It's called respecting the artist. And if they produce something bad, then I'm not going to listen to or watch that.

[Kay Poirier]

As far as I'm concerned, you are the girl at the Whataburger. And if my order is incorrect, I will come back and order it again. So, you know, like, it's very simple. I'm not going to say, well, I loved her work last week, so I can let it go. I don't give a shit about the sandwich.

[Sam Taggart]

I will say when it's. When it's Lady Gaga, I will eat a rotten burger. Like, anything she puts out. If it. It's like, I just, like, have to consume it. I don't know why, but you do.

[George Severis]

Get hypnotized in this way.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, I have this sick and twisted game of basically coping where if it's bad, I'm like, no, you don't get it. The bad is a commentary on good. The bad, I twist and turn and.

[Kay Poirier]

It'S like you bend over.

[Sam Taggart]

Literally.

[George Severis]

Well, that is how I am to an extent with Madonna.

[Kay Poirier]

It.

[George Severis]

But, oh, you know, not anymore.

[Kay Poirier]

When they piss me off, I will literally at them on Twitter. I be like, I did not like this project. I made fun of FKA Twigs for putting Northwest on her album.

[George Severis]

I said that that was crazy.

[Sam Taggart]

You're like, be better.

[Kay Poirier]

I was. Oh, that one girl that's been beefing with Ara for years. I have added her multiple times.

[George Severis]

Rosalia? No, the other one.

[Kay Poirier]

Saa. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've added her a pleather.

[George Severis]

Everyone is always beefing with Arca. I'm also like, okay. I Obviously, like from the beginning, you know, we were there in the trenches when Ara first came out. Like, we were, you know, reading Pitchfork. You know, you were.

[Kay Poirier]

I.

[George Severis]

You were getting ready for pre K with your little. With your Little mermaid backpack.

[Kay Poirier]

Right.

[George Severis]

So I, you know.

[Kay Poirier]

Yeah, but now kindergarten.

[George Severis]

But I have to say, now I'm like, I'm like, I'm great. You know, she's grandfathered in. Like, I will always say, if I have to, I'm at the polls and. And she's a option. I'm going to vote for Arca, but could I tell you anything she has released in the last 15 years? No. She's sort of. To me, ARCA is just that one photo of her that's sort of bionic.

[Sam Taggart]

Totally.

[George Severis]

That's it.

[Kay Poirier]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Some people are just a photo. Yeah.

[Kay Poirier]

Well, and that's. Yeah. No, I. Here's my thing. Here's my thing. If the Nexus swirls around Arca's head, I think it's fair to say that at the center of all that drama, it's probably Arca, but that's a doll, so I'm always gonna back her up. And. Well, and for me it was like, they. They've had this whole kitty cat, cat, cat back and forth, but then she subdelisa. She like got on TikTok with one of those like evil robot dogs as like a prop. And I was like, you're a corny ass bitch and you were making like really cool music in 2014 and now you're trying to bite the reggaeton hand. It's not working for you. And you've got this fucking war machine on a leash in Bed Stuy. You're a weird ass bitch. And I commented that. I was like, something is wrong with you and you're beefing with the doll. Who am I gonna side with? The doll.

[Sam Taggart]

So amazing. Do we want to say anything final about, say, hookup culture? I guess the one thing I want to say. Okay, it's per. We love to go off topic and we celebrate it. I'm just wondering, just to wrap it up roughly is like the thing with it is like, I do wish. I do wish straight people could have tasteful hookup culture. Like, I know I agree that there's like something about it that just like, does not work. But I feel, I feel genuine empathy for, for all sides where I'm like, if. If there could be equality and then this would be so beautiful because I do think it's. It can be so fun and such an easy way to have fun with People.

[Kay Poirier]

I don't actually, I love that. I don't think they should have access to that. I truly. I think you have to figure out the sensuality first. Do you know what I mean?

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Kay Poirier]

I think even, like, I am not going to sit here and say that before I transitioned, all the hookup sex I was having, having with gay guys was like beautiful and romantic and that we were talking about like queer history. No, I, like, I was. Yeah, it was like, gross. You know what I mean? Like, it was a lot of bad sex and some occasional really good sex.

[Sam Taggart]

But much like the talk show format.

[Kay Poirier]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Every once in a while something exciting would happen.

[Kay Poirier]

Every once in a while something would happen that I would want to remember.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Kay Poirier]

But with straight people, like kind of actually literally what you were saying, like, we literally have to get into a cycle of like, I'm yelling at you because you've been throwing pebbles at my head from across the couch for two hours and now I'm pissed. And that's why we're about to go so hard. Like, and then you do that for 20 years and that's a marriage before you get a divorce. When your kid goes to college. Like, it doesn't really make a lot of sense. And yes, so many straight men, I think they feel like they aren't getting the sex they deserve because, oh, women think I'm ugly and I'm not six feet tall. And it's because you have no swag. It's because the average man walking around at like prime fucking age, like, you're in literally the world is in front of you. You have no real responsibilities. You have an okay job. Like, this is your time to be fucking and you're not because they like, are so lame. I, I'm gonna give you guys like a super dose of estrogen one day so we can all just hit the town together and you can see how bad the game is. It's crazy.

[Sam Taggart]

I would love to do that.

[George Severis]

So you're.

[Sam Taggart]

I would love to do that.

[Kay Poirier]

Yeah. It makes the idea of us hitting.

[George Severis]

The town is that you're going to give us one super dose and, and then we're.

[Kay Poirier]

Well, and it'll be like, yeah, probably like a four hour, like grizzly, painful transformation sprout and all the facial hair falls out. Okay. We're.

[George Severis]

It's sort of going to be like the substance but for transitioning.

[Kay Poirier]

Yes. Yes.

[Sam Taggart]

That sounds like an amazing night. I would love to go the, to the goth club super dose and hit up the goth club.

[George Severis]

Oh my God, I hope the clown guy doesn't follow you. But also, I sort of want him to.

[Kay Poirier]

If you transition and look pretty, you probably will. If you look pretty.

[George Severis]

Challenge accepted.

[Kay Poirier]

But yeah, I mean, it's really. It just comes down to, like, you can't wait. Like, I think you have to figure out how to wait until long and to tease. Oh, I will email it to you guys at some point. There's this girl who does a lot of, like, very kind of serious monologue videos on TikTok, and she's been talking a lot about flirting lately and about how, like, flirting is the kind of the same muscle that you use to, like, play pretend. And that's what makes you good at doing it is like, the ability to play and not just with other people, but, like, with yourself and to kind of interact with the world from a playful standpoint. I don't know. Like, even on a grinder, sometimes I feel like there's still, like. You know what I mean? There's like a. Even if there's a system in place, like, there's a playfulness to it. And I think straight line. And they get it in their mind, and it's like, it looks like they're watching porn.

[George Severis]

Well, I think the playfulness is. The playfulness is related to ego. You have to put your ego aside to be playful because you have to risk being slightly humiliated or slightly humbled or slightly misunderstood without it being a direct attack on your entire being, like, on your entire sense of self worth. And I think. I'm not saying. Saying to be clear, that all gay people are good at that, but I'm saying that's like an. I'm not even. No, but that is like an. I think the people I know that are at their happiest being sort of promiscuous do have that. Like, I think that's. I think that is the secret, basically.

[Kay Poirier]

Yeah, No, I completely agree. And I kind of have realized that. I think I just kind of flirt with everyone all the time, and it is a fun way of interacting with people. You know what I mean? Like, it's.

[George Severis]

I agree.

[Sam Taggart]

I love to do it.

[Kay Poirier]

You know how it's like if you never see an ankle and then someone shows you their ankle, you're gonna get really hard. And so I think the same thing kind of happens if you, like, take out all of the, like, the shame, like, the. The fear of being embarrassed, you know what I mean? And just, like, start flirting with everyone. Not even, like, with any intention. Like, you should just be flirtatious. You know what I mean, like, the world just kind of opens up.

[Sam Taggart]

You know, it's like fun energy to bring into the world.

[George Severis]

And I actually think what you're saying is, like, to be flirtatious without expectations is like, goes against the sort of, like, optimization ethos of the apps, because you're not thinking in terms of cause and effect. You're not thinking, oh, I'm investing in flirting with this person to get sex in return. You're just actually having fun.

[Kay Poirier]

Yeah. Yeah.

[George Severis]

And if you actually just have faith in that, it will lead to. It's not that it will lead to sex, but it will lead to just, like, having a good time, right?

[Kay Poirier]

Well, yeah, and it's kind of guys, young guys at the club have just gone back to being pickup artists. And so, like, now we're going to need pickup artist instructional videos because they're not doing lines anymore. They're just coming up. And. And what most of them will do is they will not look at anyone else you're speaking to. They will interrupt you in the middle of a conversation, and they'll go, I just want you to know I've been watching you from across the club for two hours now, and you're so beautiful, and I would love if I could get all your info. Like, it's like, why would that work? And so now we need, like, more scammer guys to teach them how to do it right. And then we have to go through how that's not an ethical business practice. And it's just, like a whole thing we've already done done.

[George Severis]

Well, we need to put the artist back in pickup artist.

[Sam Taggart]

Let's say that we do.

[Kay Poirier]

Also, we do need to teach them what hung means. Definitively.

[Sam Taggart]

Totally. No, I. I mean, the way that hung is just thrown around. I'm like, you know, words have meaning, right?

[Kay Poirier]

The way the word hung is just thrown around. The abbreviations. I'll see bwc and then I'll get the picture. And I'm like, where? Where is it? You know what I mean? And that's also a problem because they're are now straight men on Grindr because there's so many trans women on there. And so they don't really know what hung means, but hung means, like, it's going to be a problem with the weight limit at the tsa. It does not mean slightly above average, you know, so. Yeah, I want to throw that complaint in there too.

[Sam Taggart]

That's a beautiful complaint.

[Kay Poirier]

Thank you.

[Sam Taggart]

I. Well, I think we have done an amazing job, I must say.

[Kay Poirier]

I don't know if we answered any.

[George Severis]

No, we answered all of the questions.

[Sam Taggart]

First of all, we asked. We asked amazing questions and we answered them perfectly.

[George Severis]

This podcast is over. This is the season finale and thank you everyone for listening. Pretty much.

[Sam Taggart]

Pretty much.

[Kay Poirier]

I Jessica Chastain was so happy to be here tonight.

[George Severis]

Oh my God. And you were amazing.

[Sam Taggart]

You were amazing, Jessica.

[Kay Poirier]

Thank you.

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[Sam Taggart]

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[Mario Lopez]

It's Mario Lopez. Back to school is an exciting time, but it can also be overwhelming and kids may feel like isolated. A vulnerability that human traffickers can exploit. Human trafficking doesn't always look like what you expect. Everyday moments can become opportunities for someone with bad intentions. Whether you're a parent, teacher, coach, or neighbor. Check in, ask questions, stay connected. Blue campaign is a national awareness initiative that provides resources to help recognize suspected instances of human trafficking. Learn the signs and how to [e-mail] blue campaign.

[Sam Taggart]

We have our final, final segment and that is called shout outs. And in it we pay homage to the grand straight tradition of the radio shout out. And we shout out to anything that we are enjoying. People, places, things, ideas. And we will make them think of.

[George Severis]

Them on the spot. And I honestly.

[Sam Taggart]

And George, I actually have one that I was texting.

[George Severis]

You have one. Okay, you go and I'll think of one as you're speaking.

[Kay Poirier]

Okay.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay. What's up, freaks, losers and perverts around the globe? I want to give a huge shout out to Parvatyshallow. That's right. Past guest of this podcast, Parvatyshallow. I just watched Australia vs the World and Parvati was so deeply good at this fucking game. I've become a full on survivor head, as many know. And she is so confident, powerful, playful, fun. I'm. I'm in awe of just how. How incredible one person can be at a game that is supposed to be like relatively random. She is a powerhouse. I want her to run the government. I want her in charge of everything. I'm like starstruck. Just from afar. I'm just like, I can't believe someone is this powerful. And not to mention how the hell drop the workout. I'm trying to figure out how you can hold these sit up positions for hours on end. Like you are like physically strong, emotionally strong. Gorgian. Nice as hell. I love you, Parvity.

[George Severis]

God. Remember when she started a group chat with us and then I was like, maybe this is going to be like a lasting thing. But then we never were in touch again.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, well, that's okay. I mean, she was just like, the way that she plays. I knew. I was like, you know, she. She needs us for the next vote. And I'm.

[George Severis]

No, but I think she likes us, though. And I actually.

[Sam Taggart]

She did like us.

[George Severis]

I'm gonna get back in touch.

[Kay Poirier]

That's Kind of how group chats work too.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Kay Poirier]

Therefore, for you to occasionally scroll down and look at it and be like.

[George Severis]

Yeah, okay, what's up, freaks and kinky perverts and everyone else, even the incels and even the vol cells, you're all valid to me. I want to give a shout out to ordering the ice cream as dessert at the restaurant. So when you're at a restaurant, you're seeing a dessert menu, you're seeing a tiramisu, you're seeing a chocolate mousse, you're seeing a carrot cake, you're seeing potentially even a kind of artisanal donut. You want to order something that seems difficult to make, that's something that you can't get at home. But guess what? What are you actually wanting? It's ice cream. You're wanting ice cream, so just order ice cream. Life is too short short to try to be fancy with it. And guess what? Oftentimes these places, if they're making a tiramisu, they're even making like a better ice cream than you would get at the local Haagen Dazs. So order that ice cream. It might be a sort of like crazy ass flavor or it might be a classic, like chocolate hazelnut. It's gonna be more creamy and more impactful than what you're gonna get at the store. And that's what you want anyway. So just go ahead and order the. By the way, not for nothing, it's gonna be cheaper than tier the. So go ahead and order the ice cream, share it with your lover and yeah, get a shot of espresso and then go home and have anal sex.

[Kay Poirier]

Right. Is it my turn?

[Sam Taggart]

Yes, go whenever you are ready.

[Kay Poirier]

Okay. Oh, my gosh. What up? I'm gonna say cucks and cum slats. That's what I'll say. Um, I want to give a huge shout out to the pho restaurant that I'm actually about to go to right now with one of my favorite gay men on earth. I have been taking really creepy men on dates there for the past few weeks as I've been experimenting with dating older guys. And. And you know what? None of them have judged me. None of you have looked at me weird. You guys have pretended like it's completely normal for me to be doing that. And I really appreciate you letting me do that in the nice. The corner booth that I like so that they know that I'm hiding them from the rest of the public, but never from you guys. I wish this was a joke. This is not A joke. This is something I've done three times now. And I'm kind of waiting for you guys to ask if you're concerned about me bringing all these old men into the restaurant, but that's fine. Thank you for not judging me. And I'll see you in, like, 20 minutes, because I'm about to go, so.

[George Severis]

Wow, you're really gonna throw them off by bringing a presumably younger gay guy after. They're used to you bringing older guys.

[Kay Poirier]

Well, and see this one? So most of the gay guys that I hang out with as friends are all kind of toppies, so people always think they're my boyfriend, which I love that too, you know, so just kind of confuse the masses. They never. They just think I'm a, is what it is, you know, which is I love.

[Sam Taggart]

No, that's.

[George Severis]

You're a kind of a. With a type. Like, you're like, only tops.

[Kay Poirier]

Yeah. No femmes, no bottoms. Just. Sorry, Sorry. Well, it's not that. It's that I twinks, like, little. Like the bottomy. Like, the little. I don't. I get into trouble with them. Like, those are the ones that I end up, like, I'm in a strange car. We're going 70 miles an hour. I don't know what city I'm in. You know what I mean? Like.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, I don't know. They're riskier. They've taken more risks, and you need some. You're looking for stability.

[Kay Poirier]

Yeah. That's where all of, like, bad girl culture has gone, is to twink bottoms.

[George Severis]

It's totally. They're insane, those guys.

[Kay Poirier]

They're. That I got. Me and my tough got invited to a penthouse the other day to watch 12 Rich Twinks fight each other. It was crazy. It was really, like. That's not what they told us. But they were like, we're gonna bring you back and make you martinis. And they did. And they just argued for three hours. Didn't offer me any cocaine or anything. Not that I was gonna ask, but I was like, I know you have some. And then we just left. And they didn't care. It was very weird.

[Sam Taggart]

That sounds weird as hell. Well, I'm addicted to your life. It sounds amazing.

[George Severis]

Yeah. And we're gonna book our flights soon, and then you're gonna take us out. And I can't wait to go to the golf club.

[Kay Poirier]

Oh, you'll be so disappointed by this city. You're gonna love it.

[George Severis]

Beautiful. Well, K, please tell everyone where they can find you.

[Kay Poirier]

You can find me everywhere. You can find me on TikTok Instagram, YouTube substack around the corner from your house, looking in your windows. Yeah, just like look outside.

[George Severis]

Period.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, this has been delight. Thanks for doing it.

[Kay Poirier]

Thank you all so much for having me. It was really fun.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay, bye.

[George Severis]

Amazing.

[Kay Poirier]

Bye.

[Sam Taggart]

Podcast ends now.

[George Severis]

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[Sam Taggart]

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[George Severis]

Now get back to work.

[Sam Taggart]

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[George Severis]

Podcasts created and hosted by George Severis.

[Sam Taggart]

And Sam Taggart executive produced by Will Ferrell, Hansani and Olivia Aguilar co produced by Bay Wang Edited and engineered by.

[George Severis]

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[Sam Taggart]

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[Kay Poirier]

Stop.

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[Sam Taggart]

Hey, what's up?

[Mario Lopez]

It's Mario Lopez. Back to school is an exciting time, but it can also be overwhelming and kids may feel isolated, a vulnerability that human traffickers can exploit. Human trafficking doesn't always look like what you expect.

[George Severis]

Expect.

[Mario Lopez]

Everyday moments can become opportunities for someone with bad intentions. Whether you're a parent, teacher, coach or neighbor, check in, ask questions, stay connected. Blue Campaign is a national awareness initiative that provides resources to help recognize suspected instances of human trafficking. Learn the signs and how to [e-mail] blue campaign.

[Kay Poirier]

Thursday night Football is on, and it's only on Prime Video.

[Sam Taggart]

In for the touchdown this Thursday, an.

[Kay Poirier]

AFC east rivalry ignites at the Miami Dolphins battle the Buffalo Bills in a heated division showdown. Boom.

[George Severis]

Right on the money.

[Kay Poirier]

Coverage begins at 7pm Eastern with football's best party, TNF tonight presented by Verizon. Not a Prime member, Not a problem. Simply sign up for a 30 day free trial. Today it's the Dolphins and the bills. Thursday at 7pm Eastern, only on Prime Video. Restrictions apply. See Amazon.com Amazon prime for details. This is an iHeart podcast.