"Men's Red Carpet Grooming" w/ Anania

Summary

StraightioLab - "Men’s Red Carpet Grooming" w/ Ananiah

Podcast: StraightioLab (Big Money Players Network, iHeartPodcasts)
Date: March 31, 2026
Hosts: George Civeris & Sam Taggart
Guest: Ananiah

Overview

This episode of StraightioLab dives deep into the world of men’s red carpet grooming with special guest Ananiah, Broadway performer and creator of the "Gaydar" talk show. The hosts and Ananiah examine the unique anxieties and double standards around how straight men present themselves at high-visibility celebrity events. With a trademark blend of irreverence, honesty, and cultural critique, they interrogate why men so often opt out of the glamour and playfulness typically expected at these showcases—and what might happen if more risk-taking, self-care, and style exploration were the norm.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Art of Pretending in Social Situations (04:11–07:39)

• The episode begins with a humorous anecdote about pretending to recognize a celebrity’s name to save face—a microcosm of how people “perform” in social and cultural situations.
• Sam discusses anxieties around bringing wine to a friend’s party, highlighting social performance and internal cultural barriers.
• Notable quote:
  “You think my household is like, going to a different country where you have to follow the customs of that country and, like, bow when you enter.” – George (06:43)

Cultures of Comments and Critique (09:05–13:08)

• Ananiah and the hosts discuss the unpredictability and ruthlessness of online comment culture, including personal experiences of being unfairly targeted for perceived slights. They agree that audiences often misinterpret intent and are quick to jump to conclusions.
• Memorable moment:
  George details an incident where he unintentionally criticized three non-white artists in succession, only to praise three white ones, which led to outsized online outrage.
  “I literally go, it’s completely by coincidence… and then I praise three white artists in a row.” – George (10:54)

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Navigating Musical Taste and Identity (12:32–15:13)

• The conversation shifts to the idea of certain artists being “for” particular demographics and what happens when notions of cultural ownership or identity collide with taste.
• The crew teases apart the appeal of artists like Olivia Dean, Sabrina Carpenter, Addison Rae, and FKA twigs, analyzing who certain musicians "belong" to in the collective consciousness.
• Notable exchange:
  “Sabrina Carpenter is bisexual.” – Ananiah (14:04)
  “If Sabrina Carpenter was bisexual, we would have flying cars.” – Ananiah (14:28)

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Rocky Horror, Fandoms, and Safe Spaces (19:30–23:05)

• Ananiah discusses performing in Rocky Horror on Broadway, acknowledging the show as both a formative safe space for queer audiences and a site for intense, sometimes off-putting, fan devotion.
• They discuss the unique Blender of straight and queer energies in Rocky Horror fandom.
• Quote:
  “There’s an added layer [to every second of the show]… It’s kind of cool because a part of me thinks it’s intentional, but another part thinks it’s unintentionally so, like, culturally pervasive.” – Ananiah (20:27)

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The Oscars: Are Awards Shows Losing Their Edge? (24:00–28:02)

• The group reminisces about a recent Oscars, noting the staleness and sanitized atmosphere compared to earlier, more chaotic live TV moments (e.g., the “slap”).
• There’s consensus that awards shows have become too safe and predictable, lacking the political edge or riskiness some attendees desire.
• Memorable quote:
  “It was like the aftermath of having bad sex. Like, everyone’s kind of looking at one another being like, did that just happen?” – George (25:35)

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Segment: Straight Shooters (32:04–34:19)

• Rapid-fire questions with playful binaries (e.g., “FKA twigs or MGMT’s Kids?”). Ananiah’s quick and spirited answers display humor and a refusal to take the exercise—or herself—too seriously.

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Main Topic: Men’s Grooming on the Red Carpet (37:28 onwards)

Ananiah’s “Pet Peeve”

• Ananiah’s straight topic: the lack of grooming/make-up by straight men on the red carpet.
• Why is it straight?
  – The refusal to participate in “the theater” of red carpet events, which he sees as betraying the fun and glamour such events should embody. – Observes a double standard: wives/partners are expected to be glamorous, while men’s lack of grooming seems “necessary” for masculinity.
  • “My problem is when straight men go on the carpet, there is a rejection of the theater of it…if you’re there, you should participate fully.” – Ananiah (38:17)
• Suggests the minimum should be trimmed beards, hydrated lips, subtle makeup, and some attention to style.

The Double Standard & Gendered Self-Care (39:50–41:31)

• The hosts and Ananiah note that male actors wear makeup on set, so refusing it on the red carpet is performative.
  • “You wear makeup on the set… and this is also part of your job.” – George (40:32)
• Sam shares a personal embarrassment about not knowing to trim nose hairs for a TV appearance, highlighting how male grooming is rarely openly taught or discussed, especially among straight men.

Fashion Risks—or Lack Thereof (42:13–44:01)

• Ananiah advocates for men to “take a swing” with red carpet looks, rather than defaulting to safe, black-and-white tuxedos:
  • “There’s so many things you can do with a suit that I just think they’re not doing because it’s easier not to.”
• Praises fashion innovators like Colman Domingo and Wisdom K as exceptions who show what’s possible.

On “Fake Gay” Aesthetics and Marketability (45:02–46:41; 57:09–59:14)

• Discussion about formerly “fake gay” sartorial statements by straight stars (e.g., Timothée Chalamet, Harry Styles), and how those looks no longer dominate as the culture shifts.
  • “There was just a moment where they were like… this is no longer marketable. Like, I don’t need to pretend I love wearing a skirt.” – George (45:34)
• Critique of celebrities who perform queerness for attention or market access but later retreat.
  • “I just hate that he gets the opportunity to turn it off, you know, and a lot of people don’t get that option.” – Ananiah (58:52)

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Style Diversity and Award Show Uniformity (63:34–65:16)

• Men’s red carpet fashion often feels like “damned if you do, damned if you don’t”—taking risks brings mockery, but playing it safe is boring.
• Proposes a “potluck sign-up” approach to ensure diversity of looks at events:
  • “We need to do that with award shows where one person's allowed to wear the black shirt…” – Sam (64:23)

The Met Gala Exception

• The crew agrees that if there’s ever a place to be bold, it’s the Met Gala; wearing a plain tux is an actual fashion crime there.

The Political Meaning of Fashion (55:50–56:36)

• Ananiah sees color and playfulness in men’s fashion as a form of resistance:
  • "If we start going to the grayscale, I think it’s almost like a submission… There should just be more color.” – Ananiah (56:14)

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Notable Quotes & Culture Commentary

• On Harry Styles and performative queerness:
  “If he was nonbinary, that would help. But alas… he gets the opportunity to turn it off, you know, and a lot of people don’t get that option.” – Ananiah (58:14, 58:52)

• Perfect Phrase:
  “Either suck a dick or knock this off.” – (59:32, referencing the performance of queerness without substance by certain celebrities)

• On award show boredom:
  “By hour three, we’re just blankly watching the screen. No one’s getting any riffs in. Everyone’s like, let’s wrap this up.” – Sam (25:20)

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Highlighted Moments

• Straight Shooters Segment – Ananiah speed-answers wild binary choices (32:04–34:19)
• Rocky Horror fandom insights – “It expedites the process for a lot of us coming to terms with who we are…that’s net positive.” – Ananiah (20:10)
• Cultural history of men’s fashion: From “metrosexual” and faux-queerbaiting to the return of masculine basics (57:09–57:10)

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Important Timestamps

• Social Performance and Pretending – 04:11
• Comments Culture & Criticism – 10:54
• Straight Shooters segment – 32:04
• Men’s Grooming Topic Introduced – 37:28
• Call-out for Fashion Experimentation – 42:13, 44:01
• Discussion on Fake Queer Fashion – 45:02–46:41
• Resisting Grayscale/Political Message – 55:50
• Final Thoughts and Shoutouts – 71:21

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Tone & Language

The episode is playful, witty, and sharply observant—balancing comedic exaggerations with keen social insights. There’s a recurring motif of performing for the public—whether it’s lying about knowing someone, fulfilling gender/fashion expectations, or navigating online backlash. While the tone is often tongue-in-cheek, the group doesn’t shy away from calling out hypocrisy, artistic laziness, or the complexities of representation.

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Conclusion

Takeaway from Ananiah:
“Just take a swing fellas, and let me judge you from home.” (71:32)

The episode argues that participation in the "theater" of public events—through grooming, dress, and attitude—shouldn’t be gendered or feel like a risk, but an invitation to play, express, and resist conformity. The hosts leave both men and women, gay and straight, with an edict to be bolder, more creative, and less afraid to be judged—not just on the red carpet, but everywhere.

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Shoutouts Segment (72:27–75:14)

• Sam: To “bopping” around NYC.
• George: Courage to eat messy wings and embrace pleasure.
• Ananiah: To trees’ versatility and the wide spectrum of what they can become—“Shout out to oak, birch, willow, all of you.”

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For Listeners Who Missed It

This episode of StraightioLab is a hilarious, illuminating plea for a world where men embrace self-presentation as fully as anyone else, where fashion is colorful, self-care is un-gendered, and the red carpet is for boldness, not boredom. You’ll walk away rethinking why men have been let off the style hook for so long—and what it’d actually mean if that changed.

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[Sam Taggart]

Hey, it's Sam with a quick little show announcement. As you may know, I've been running my hour trying to, you know, really figure it out. And so I've been doing it in New York and la and all those dates have sold out. So I've decided to add one more New York date and one more LA date. So in New York, I'll be at Union hall on May 3rd. That's a Sunday. And then in LA, I will be at Lyric Hyperion on May 14th. That's a Thursday. So I would simply love to see you there. I've been really having a good time doing this and I, I appreciate you guys coming out and making me not look like a fucking idiot. Okay, enjoy the episode. Bye. Podcast starts now. What is up, everyone around the globe, you are listening to Stradiolab live from New York City, AKA not live at all.

[George Severis]

And I want to address what just happened, which is that our dear friend Matt Rogers walked in the room, shout out, and obviously we're in the studio. They're in a neighbor. Neighboring studio.

[Ananiah]

Neighboring studio.

[George Severis]

A Jason studio.

[Sam Taggart]

Sure. Both are true.

[George Severis]

Both are true. And. And I said, who are you guys having on today? Because he hosts a podcast, it's called Las Cold Charistas. I said, who are you having on today? And he said, a name. And I without a three word name, three word name. But it wasn't Amy Coney Barrett.

[Sam Taggart]

But it was a woman.

[George Severis]

But it was a woman. It could have been Amy Coney Barrett. We don't remember. And I said, oh, wow. No. I said, oh, go off. And then Sam turned to me and said, did you recognize that name? I said, no. We turned to our guest Said, did you recognize that name? She said, no,

[Sam Taggart]

all of us straight up lied in a huge way to our dear friend.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

And in a way that was really, really impressive. And I'm actually so proud of you for lying your fucking ass off.

[George Severis]

Wait, you guys didn't know who that was?

[Ananiah]

Who is it? No, who is it?

[Sam Taggart]

She's a Real Housewife of Potomac.

[George Severis]

Oh, we don't watch Robin.

[Sam Taggart]

We don't know that stuff.

[George Severis]

Okay, so now I actually feel fine not knowing. No, of course, if it was Amy Coney Barrett and I didn't know who that was, first of all, I'd be really mad that they're having Amy Coney Barrett. Although maybe they would confront her.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay. Okay. I think they should have Amy Coney Barrett on first and foremost.

[George Severis]

Okay, well, say more.

[Sam Taggart]

It's time to, you know, speak truth to power by promoting their things on the show.

[George Severis]

By promoting Amy Coney Barrett.

[Sam Taggart]

Exactly so. But mostly, I want to say, when he said the name, I didn't react that big because I was like, I don't know who this is. So I was like, I'll lay low, but. So then you reacted really big.

[George Severis]

This is the difference between you and me is you will be shell shocked when you are familiar with something, and I will be like, oh, can I, Jo?

[Sam Taggart]

I'm like, I wish I had that. I just don't. Like, what you have is so much better. Like, what I have is, like, weird silence while, like, everyone's looking at me, and it's like, no, just wine.

[George Severis]

And you look just terrified.

[Sam Taggart]

I look so scared.

[George Severis]

It's like how last night, you were telling me that you went to get a bottle of wine to bring to my apartment.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, my God.

[George Severis]

And you went into the wine store and you said, I would like a bottle of wine. And they care.

[Sam Taggart]

I said. I said to the person, so I need a bottle of wine. They care a lot, and I don't care at all. So figure it out.

[George Severis]

Didn't give any directions.

[Sam Taggart]

They said. They said, okay, do you want, like, a natural wine or a classic wine? I said, if you put a natural wine in front of me, I will scream because they will be so upset with me. I will never be invited back to my dear friend's house.

[George Severis]

You also had to prepare yourself emotionally all day to drink wine because you don't like wine. Keep in mind we could have offered you literally anything else. This is an Oscars party. Like, it's not like it was wine. But you think that, like, because we enjoy wine, you think my household is like, going to a different country where you have to follow the customs of that country and, like, bow when you enter.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, part of me wants to take part in your culture. And so I'm, you know, maybe one day I'm gonna wake up and be like, wait, Wine's so yummy.

[George Severis]

This is like when I had you over. We will bring you in in 40 minutes. This is like when I. When I had you over and I forgot you don't like lox. I got bagels and, you know, I put them out and I was like, oh, fuck, Sam, I forgot you don't like locks. And you were like, no, this is good. It's good for me to try it.

[Sam Taggart]

I need to be expanding my horizons. I don't want to be, like, someone who doesn't like stuff.

[George Severis]

Oh, my God.

[Sam Taggart]

And so. And now, guess what, George? Ever since then, I'm eating locks.

[Ananiah]

Wow.

[Sam Taggart]

Good for you. I'm eating locks all the time.

[George Severis]

And you like it or you're just forcing yourself? Okay.

[Sam Taggart]

I mean, sure, I don't get, like, a lot of them, but I'll a little one too. It's delish sometimes, but I did have to prepare myself all day, drink wine and. But then when I had. But then when everyone was like, you can just have a beer, I was like, no. I've been mentally thinking about wine all day long. I'm ready to, like, hold my little glass and.

[George Severis]

And did you enjoy the wine you had?

[Sam Taggart]

It's hard to tell.

[Ananiah]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

I also think you get into your own head about, like, whether you like it or not. You don't trust your taste buds.

[Sam Taggart]

I don't feel a strong reaction to it. You know what I mean? Like, I'm like, what am I supposed to taste?

[George Severis]

Girl.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay.

[George Severis]

Speaking of girl.

[Ananiah]

Yeah, she's crazy.

[George Severis]

So we are so excited for this guest. This is our first recording in, like, a month and a half.

[Sam Taggart]

And I cannot think of a better.

[Ananiah]

That's true.

[George Severis]

Yeah. Cause we batch record a long story.

[Ananiah]

We're bi.

[George Severis]

Coastal. It's hell, pretty much. We're on the verge of being canceled by Iheart at any given point. But please welcome Ananyah.

[Ananiah]

Hi. Let's act like I just sat down.

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[Ananiah]

I love what you've done with the place.

[George Severis]

Oh, you're late.

[Ananiah]

Oh, my bad. You know, traffic. New York.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. This is our first time recording this particular studio. How did you know? I hate it.

[Ananiah]

I'm kidding. I love it.

[George Severis]

It's cute.

[Ananiah]

I love it.

[George Severis]

We have a connection because both of our sort of talk shows, if you can call them that are related to the concept of gay or strange.

[Ananiah]

Yes.

[George Severis]

How do you feel about that?

[Ananiah]

I feel prepared, I feel vindicated, I feel ready.

[George Severis]

And you do this similar thing with us where it's like it's vibes based. How well someone does is vibes based rather than.

[Ananiah]

Which is always more fun. I love an open ended question.

[George Severis]

Exactly. Do you get frustrated with you?

[Ananiah]

There's been a couple of times when people get, I guess, frustrated with themselves. Cause they see the chasm between them knowing anything about queer culture or not, which I guess is the point of the show. But there has never been a moment where I'm like, you should feel bad about yourself ever. So I don't know.

[George Severis]

Now the commenters on the other hand, you can't control them.

[Ananiah]

Can't control that. That's something we are actively trying to mitigate. Yeah, we're gonna call them the big gun soon.

[George Severis]

It's so crazy how you do all of us do something with all the best intentions and you're like, we're being really nice to the person. You're like, okay, I wanna make you feel com.

[Ananiah]

Yes.

[George Severis]

Anyway, throwing you to the wolves, I

[Ananiah]

mean, that's the best way. It's like, oh, you're gonna be just fine.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Ananiah]

Why don't you like black people?

[Sam Taggart]

It's weird that comment culture hasn't evolved in since the Internet. Like it's always just been insane, people acting ruthless.

[Ananiah]

That's a good point because like people

[Sam Taggart]

10 years ago were like making jokes about like, don't look at the comments. And you think that would like age out and you'd be like, obviously that's a lame joke to me. And it's like, nope, it's still completely true. Comments are completely insane.

[Ananiah]

Trixie and Katya said a really good thing. Like their job is to post the thing and then like move on. And I really do kind of live by that. I don't really check the gay R comments that much anymore.

[George Severis]

No, I agree in terms of the two of us. But then when you have a guest and the guest is being targeted by the commenters. Yeah, I guess I'm a little.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, George is feeling particularly sensitive because he was recently on a podcast where every single clip, every single clip he

[Ananiah]

was throwing out, by the way, I

[George Severis]

even had to tell him to delete a clip because here's what they did to me.

[Sam Taggart]

That's the worst.

[George Severis]

Here's what they did to me. And I understand this is my fault because I of course said these Words that were then clipped and posted. Not edited it just completely by coincidence, I get ready, I criticize three artists, three non white artists in a row, and then praise three white artists in a row. So I literally go. I literally go, it's completely by coincidence.

[Ananiah]

That'll do it.

[George Severis]

And I was like, I know, I know.

[Sam Taggart]

I already.

[Ananiah]

And you didn't even sandwich it.

[George Severis]

No, I know. I already look like an annoying gay guy. Like, no one's gonna go in with, like, being like, he probably meant well. Like, people are gonna. You know what I mean? Like, people are gonna be like, oh, well, here we go. Another one. I get him.

[Ananiah]

Yeah, I would have got you too. I can't even be mad. I would have got you. So would I.

[George Severis]

If someone that looked exactly like me said that, I would've got you. Are you kidding me? Who are you to criticize Olivia D. Can I ask? No. Here was the question.

[Ananiah]

Who were the other three? No, I definitely wanted for this.

[George Severis]

They said they were like, it was two straight guys, very sweet straight guys. And they were like, you know, we read. This is right after the Grammys. They said, we read gay guys don't respond to Olivia Dean. Why is that? That was the question.

[Ananiah]

Okay.

[Sam Taggart]

Because you're the only gay guy ever leading the Witness.

[Ananiah]

Okay.

[George Severis]

Leading the witness. And so I said I was trying to make this argument that I do think is true, that there was sort of a class of, like, best new artist winners that are, like, Grammys artists, like Esperanza Spalding and like, Norah Jones. And it wasn't necessarily a negative thing, but I was just kind of like, yeah, Norah Jones is never gonna be someone's diva in the way that, like, you know, Ariana Grande is.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, sure. It's, like, not played at the club.

[George Severis]

Yes. And so I was. And then they kept leading me, and they were like, so do you like Addison Rae? And I was like, I love Addison Rae.

[Ananiah]

The poppers have hit the tower.

[George Severis]

It's literally just me being like Olivia Deena's Starbucks music. But I love Addison Rae.

[Ananiah]

Yeah, that'll do it. I would have been pissed, too. I would have been pissed, too.

[George Severis]

But the thing is, actually, since then, I have to say, I have grown to really like Olivia Dean. And I want to say that Olivia

[Ananiah]

Dean isn't the diva to the same caliber of Ariana Grande. Is your point?

[George Severis]

No, that's not my point. I think she's as talented as Ariana Grande. I think she's incredibly talented. I think that she is. Her fan base is not primarily Oh, I think Olivia Deen is, like, for moms.

[Ananiah]

Oh. I'm just thinking about, like, my direct community, I guess. We all like Olivia Dean.

[Sam Taggart]

You do?

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[Ananiah]

I really don't know a straight. I also don't know straight people.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, this is where it gets complicated.

[Ananiah]

You know what I mean? I couldn't even posit what a heterosexual person might think about Olivia Deen. She's also so, like, is she not gay? Is she not?

[George Severis]

Oh, is she?

[Ananiah]

No, no, she's.

[George Severis]

She's not gay. She's straight.

[Sam Taggart]

She's straight. Thank you. Because I went to Sabrina Carpenter's concert,

[George Severis]

which was primarily Tweeny Bop.

[Sam Taggart]

Young straight, Blonde Girls.

[Ananiah]

Right, sure. Olivia Dean was the opener. Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Interesting sides of this coin.

[Ananiah]

Okay, well, I have a running theory that Sabrina Carpenter is bisexual, but we'll talk about that at another day.

[George Severis]

Yes, we can talk about that, though. We're talking about how today is all about whether or not she's a Scientologist, which I heard. So I had heard she was.

[Ananiah]

People saying she's a Scientologist.

[George Severis]

She actually. She debunked it in the comments. And that's actually how. Comments. So you think Sabrina Carpenter is bisexual? Speak on it. And this is the clip.

[Ananiah]

If Sabrina Carpenter was bisexual, we would have flying cars. Wow. We would have. I'm just gonna keep going down this list. Flying cows, flying pigs.

[George Severis]

Oh, so there was flying fucks, which

[Sam Taggart]

would be good, by the way. I want everything to fly.

[George Severis]

Just flying animals everywhere. Shit. You know, raining down on you.

[Sam Taggart]

That's rain on me, sweetness.

[George Severis]

The world you want.

[Ananiah]

Okay. All right.

[Sam Taggart]

I think it makes sense logically that she would be bisexual.

[Ananiah]

Right.

[Sam Taggart]

It's just like, I see the journey and that, like, type of girl.

[Ananiah]

It would be fun. It would be really fun to shake

[George Severis]

it up like that.

[Ananiah]

You know what I mean? Is she on her. She's gonna do her third album soon. Is that what it is?

[George Severis]

Let's hope so. Well, first of all, it's not third. It's, like, 15th, because, you know, she had so many albums that no one cared about.

[Ananiah]

She came back from the Kia Asylum.

[George Severis]

Exactly.

[Ananiah]

I'm with you.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[George Severis]

We need to tell you about Lizzo's past.

[Sam Taggart]

I feel like we've talked too much about it.

[George Severis]

Okay. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Well, no, because Kia Asylum is adjacent to Lizzo's pass.

[Ananiah]

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

[George Severis]

We don't have to.

[Sam Taggart]

We don't have. I feel like we've talked too much about it.

[George Severis]

Okay, fine. Very quickly, Lizzo's passes Sam's concept where an artist that is up and coming reaches a pass and they have to choose Target. Pitchfork and Lizzo, who used to be this, like, very indie, kind of like Prince endorsed Minneapolis, like, indie musician, chose Target, which we don't falter for, but. And now Chapel is at Lizzo's Pass, and. And I guess the theory is she's choosing PitchForward. Yes, that's right.

[Ananiah]

Okay. I would agree with that.

[George Severis]

And it's sort of in the same world, you know, the same video game as the Kia Asylum. You can, like, escape the Kia Asylum, go to Lizzo's Pass, go to Target, decide, oh, I regret it. Sort of.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. You have to imagine at Lizzo's Pass, there's a lot of snow, there's a lot of wind. It's like, hard to choose.

[George Severis]

You could die.

[Sam Taggart]

You could die. And some people die at Lizzo's Pass.

[George Severis]

That's right.

[Ananiah]

Wow.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Ananiah]

And Lizzo is the one that coined it. Wow.

[Sam Taggart]

She coined it. Yeah, she made it. That's amazing. She died there.

[Ananiah]

I'm sorry, I can't let this go. Who were the white artists that you praised? Addison Rae.

[Sam Taggart]

It was.

[George Severis]

No, here's what they were doing. It's not praise. They were saying, like, what artists do gay guys all have for. Okay, obviously I easily said, like, Beyonce, but that seemed too obvious. I don't know. And they were like, addison Rae. Or I was like, maybe it was Sabrina Carpenter. It was more young Addison Rae esque artists. And I was just sort of like, frantically trying to list them, and those are the ones that were coming to my head. But obviously I could have easily said, who's an artist we like, I'm hiring

[Ananiah]

a PI and I'm gonna find the rest of the artist.

[George Severis]

I could have said FKA Twigs.

[Ananiah]

You could have said FKA Twigs. But you didn't.

[George Severis]

But I did not. I did not.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, actually, I have a question about FKA Twigs.

[Ananiah]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Where? Speaking of our bubbles, I'm like, so is she popular or not? Yes, in my mind. I love her.

[Ananiah]

I'm going to see her on Twitter.

[George Severis]

I'm going to see her on Twitter.

[Sam Taggart]

I'm a dad. Oh, you are going.

[Ananiah]

Yes.

[Sam Taggart]

Can't wait. Oh, my God. Fun.

[Ananiah]

Okay.

[George Severis]

Do you like her?

[Ananiah]

Love her.

[Sam Taggart]

I love her.

[Ananiah]

She literally got me through, like, one of the worst times of my life anyway.

[George Severis]

Do you feel like people are constantly bullying her for no reason?

[Sam Taggart]

I think they are.

[Ananiah]

Absolutely.

[George Severis]

So why is that?

[Ananiah]

I think it's half she's black and half the drama with Robert Pattinson. Maybe 2/3 of it is her drama with Robert Pattinson.

[Sam Taggart]

Forget about that.

[George Severis]

Yeah, but she has been through so much.

[Ananiah]

Yes, yes. They don't let her breathe.

[George Severis]

Do people have empathy?

[Ananiah]

Can you. Oh, God, yeah.

[George Severis]

I think she started dragging Olivia Dean through the mud. Why is everyone being mean to empathy?

[Sam Taggart]

But this thing happened where I was telling someone that I was going to see her on Saturday, and they were like, oh, I hear there's a lot of tickets still available.

[George Severis]

Really?

[Sam Taggart]

And I was like, what?

[George Severis]

People love to say that about her. People love to post a photo of the arena or whatever.

[Ananiah]

Yeah. Alternative black women really don't get at the.

[George Severis]

It's crazy.

[Ananiah]

The top of the totem pole, you

[George Severis]

know, it's like, whatever.

[Ananiah]

I think she's incredibly talented. Her last album was.

[George Severis]

But there's so many people like that, like Dawn Richard. It's like, why is she not bigger and whatever. There's no time.

[Sam Taggart]

So, speaking of, like, also being in a bubble and not knowing whether things are gay or straight or not, I once tried to claim that vacationing was gay, and George was like, no, you're just gay.

[Ananiah]

Yeah, I can see that. Because whatever vacation you might do already means.

[George Severis]

Well. Sam was like, you know, it's like, it's. People talk about vacation, like going to Fire island or Mykonos. I'm like, yeah, but families go on cruises. Like, exactly.

[Sam Taggart]

I was like, no, they're raising the children at home.

[Ananiah]

The children can't travel. They have to stay there and learn

[Sam Taggart]

until they're about 19.

[Ananiah]

Exactly. And then you could go on your cruise. Yeah, that's crazy. I also. I feel like whenever I plan a vacation, it's always of, like, how do I have the most fun gay time?

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Ananiah]

Right.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. And what does that include for you?

[Ananiah]

I feel okay. My graduation gift to myself was London, Paris and Mykonos, which was really, really fun.

[George Severis]

Did you see Athena Dion?

[Ananiah]

Who?

[George Severis]

Athena Dion is a queen.

[Ananiah]

I know, I know. No, I did not see Athena.

[George Severis]

Wow. I can't believe you got me with that.

[Ananiah]

Yeah, I got you.

[Sam Taggart]

That was a beautiful performance.

[Ananiah]

Thank you. I really tried.

[Sam Taggart]

No, that was awesome.

[Ananiah]

Can you imagine?

[George Severis]

And this is why you're on Broadway and I'm not. So I have a question for you. You're in Rocky Horror. I am. So Rocky Horror is an interesting property in terms of gay versus straight.

[Ananiah]

Sure.

[George Severis]

You know, because it's obviously so gay, but it's also so alt. Straight kid in high school wearing fishnets, going to the midnight screen.

[Ananiah]

Sure, yeah. I mean, it follows these. This straight couple at first that walks to this random castle. I'm with you.

[George Severis]

Do you feel like the fan base is toxic?

[Ananiah]

Okay.

[George Severis]

And what is your message to them training on?

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Ananiah]

No, no, I. I don't think it's toxic. I think, like, obviously with Rocky Horror, we can see that it saves a lot of people like it. It expedites the process for a lot of us coming to terms with who we are. And that's net positive.

[Sam Taggart]

Always.

[Ananiah]

I do think the cult's mindset sometimes can get a little. Hmm. I guess the first word that's coming to mind is scary to me personally. But it's not unfounded. I get it. It's something that they protect, something that I protect. I also love the show and, like, yeah, I can only see it as, like, a net positive. Being a fan of Rocky Horror, there's, like, the thing I keep learning, especially with rehearsals right now, is like, there's. You can unpack every single line, every melody choice. There's, like, something in every, like, every single second of the show. There's, like. There's an added layer. And it's kind of cool because a part of me thinks it's intentional, but another part thinks it's unintentionally so, like, culturally pervasive. Like, it's just really cool to see.

[George Severis]

Okay, so the media training did work.

[Sam Taggart]

No, the media training jumped out.

[Ananiah]

I got it going on.

[George Severis]

That is crazy.

[Sam Taggart]

That was wild.

[Ananiah]

Thank you.

[George Severis]

You locked into Disney Channel star mode. No, that felt like old interview of Hilary duff talking about 9, 11.

[Ananiah]

So girl wearing a skirt as a top. Yes, absolutely.

[George Severis]

What if the white artist I had praised was Hilary Duff? What if I said Olivia Dean is a flop, but Hilary Duff is a really amazing vocalist?

[Ananiah]

We are gonna get to the bottom of this. Who were the other black ones? The other non black?

[George Severis]

I think it might've been, like, mad. Like it was.

[Ananiah]

Is Madonna not white?

[George Severis]

Oh, sorry, the other black. No, I literally. It was just. It wasn't black. I said something along the lines of,

[Ananiah]

like, george, you're sweating.

[George Severis]

No, I know. It was literally Olivia Dean as Franza Spalding and Nora Jones. And I was like, you know, these are best new artist winners.

[Ananiah]

Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.

[George Severis]

And then remained kind of not Olivia Dean, but the other two sort of remained like adult contemporary darlings rather than becoming like, a Beyonce.

[Ananiah]

Okay, okay, I agree with that.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Sorry.

[Ananiah]

Let's go.

[George Severis]

Shaking. I'm shaking.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay, so in Rocky Horror, when they would, like, show the movie and people would do antics in the audience, are people gonna do antics. Do people do antics at a live

[George Severis]

show for this on Broadway? I feel like it would be crazy if people were throwing.

[Sam Taggart]

But don't they want to? Aren't half of them gonna be like, when do I get to do my antics?

[George Severis]

Oh, yeah, dude.

[Ananiah]

But we'll see. I mean, we're still in rehearsals right now, and we don't really know, but I think it's exciting. One of the things that I really appreciate about Sam Pinkleton is that he says he's gonna embrace everyone's experience. So I don't know. And I'm kind of excited to see, especially because I'll get a chance to watch the show basically more times than I'm in it. Cause I'm a swing. I'll be able to be in the audience and just see what's gonna happen.

[George Severis]

Oh, my God. It's gonna be so fun when you are on the show. Cause it'll be like such a one.

[Ananiah]

I'm excited to go on. Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

What's a swing?

[Ananiah]

A swing is basically, it's someone who learns multiple tracks in the show, multiple characters in the show, usually ensemble. And I cover two principles, and they go on whenever the actor who's in the main cast can't.

[Sam Taggart]

Got it, got it, got it.

[George Severis]

Okay.

[Sam Taggart]

I was trying to remember the word swing, and I was thinking side.

[Ananiah]

It's like, almost.

[George Severis]

So you're a side.

[Sam Taggart]

So you're a side.

[George Severis]

Speak on that.

[Ananiah]

What? I mean, like to know. Yeah. It's almost synonymous with understudy or like a standby, that kind of thing.

[Sam Taggart]

Got it, got it, got it. Yeah. My whole thing is I'm not knowing much about theater.

[George Severis]

Is that your whole thing?

[Sam Taggart]

No, it's not liking wine, not liking

[George Severis]

wine, not liking theater. What other sort of. Of forms of high art, sophisticated, Timothee Chalamet.

[Sam Taggart]

They're saying, woo.

[George Severis]

Did you watch the Oscars?

[Ananiah]

I did. I saw the Minutes. I saw the Minutes.

[George Severis]

And honestly, that's probably the righty supreme

[Ananiah]

losing all of them.

[George Severis]

Listen,

[Ananiah]

I prayed for that.

[George Severis]

Okay. So I had people over and we watched the whole thing. So I really. I mean, it's really three and a half hours.

[Ananiah]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

I'm like. They couldn't. No one could say anything interesting.

[Sam Taggart]

I need to say.

[George Severis]

I thought the winners. I'm fine. Like, whatever.

[Ananiah]

I didn't, like, sanitized now. It wasn't like, very sanitized.

[George Severis]

Yeah. I was just like, far be it for me to pray for celebrities to be more political, because I would complain about that too, but I'm kind Of like, well, you need something. I mean, we're going to war.

[Ananiah]

When was the Will Smith, the slap? Like three years ago?

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[Ananiah]

Four.

[George Severis]

2022. Yeah.

[Ananiah]

Okay, 2022. I feel like after that it's been like, if you do anything crazy, you're like never coming back.

[Sam Taggart]

Right? Yeah.

[Ananiah]

At least in my lifetime they learned the wrong lesson.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You know what I mean?

[Sam Taggart]

The wrong lesson. They should.

[Ananiah]

Well, people don't have a backbone anymore when they get up there.

[Sam Taggart]

Nope, it's true.

[Ananiah]

Exactly.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. I found it.

[Ananiah]

And you can tell it's institutional. Sorry.

[Sam Taggart]

Of course.

[George Severis]

No, no, no, no, completely.

[Sam Taggart]

I found it. I also, it was. Last night was an interesting thing for us where, you know, everyone's doing, getting their riffs in. Everyone's saying, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha ha. By hour two, you can tell, we start losing steam.

[Ananiah]

Absolutely.

[Sam Taggart]

And by hour three, we're just blankly watching the screen. No one's getting any riffs in. Everyone's like, let's, let's wrap this up.

[George Severis]

Well, this is the thing with hosting an Oscars party is like. Like I was saying that afterwards, it's like the aftermath of having bad sex. Like everyone's kind of looking at one

[Ananiah]

another being like, did that just happen?

[George Severis]

All right, see you guys later.

[Ananiah]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Everyone came into it with such excitement just to watch a four hour telecast that had like no interesting moments.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, yeah, you're like, I did finish, but it didn't like, feel satisfying.

[Ananiah]

Yeah, it's like I came but I didn't finish.

[George Severis]

Exactly. I like, liked one battle after another.

[Sam Taggart]

I was like, sure.

[George Severis]

Like, okay.

[Ananiah]

I guess so. Yeah, I guess so.

[George Severis]

What would your pick have been?

[Ananiah]

Sinners.

[George Severis]

Yeah, I get that. And I think, I definitely think the fact that it was between those two is good. I guess so.

[Ananiah]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it was just so. I am biased, but it was so revolutionary. I've never seen a movie like that and we probably never will. At least for the next, what, 50 years.

[George Severis]

I was like, I've gone like, sort. I've done like a 360 on it. I'm like, it actually was crazy that it was nominated. That it did so well.

[Ananiah]

I remember that I had the same feeling I felt after Sinners, after I watched everything everywhere all at once. Does that make sense?

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Ananiah]

Like those movies to me was like, so like it's not.

[George Severis]

I can't believe it's supposed to be an Oscar movie.

[Sam Taggart]

Like, it was just like very new.

[Ananiah]

I wish.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Ananiah]

I wish.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Ananiah]

Yeah. Who are you? Rooting for, I think.

[George Severis]

I guess I would say I was like, I like one by Duff and other and sinners equally. I certainly was rooting for Ryan Coogler for director. Cause I thought that would have been, like, a nice. And you got director Paul Thomas Anderson.

[Ananiah]

Oh, duh.

[George Severis]

I was like, I think it would have been a really good. You know. Cause it was an original screenplay. It was something really unique. I thought that he deserved it for a director and for picture, I think I was, like, neutral.

[Sam Taggart]

Like, you know what? Here's how I want the Oscars to get a little more interesting.

[George Severis]

Okay.

[Sam Taggart]

I think we need one musical guest. Like, but throughout, like, they're singing the whole.

[George Severis]

Yeah, maybe Addison Rae.

[Sam Taggart]

No, I was like, richard, don't do this.

[George Severis]

Shout out.

[Sam Taggart]

Richard Perez and I all last night, every time someone would leave the stage, we'd be like, I'm going stage time. Like, imagine if Prank Panthers was just there all night long.

[Ananiah]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

And like, every time someone walk off stage, she just does, like, 10 songs.

[Ananiah]

That's what makes the Grammys or, like, the VMAs so much fun. It's like, we get to see the best new artists. Like. Like, we get to pick, I guess, in real time.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Ananiah]

So, yeah, I could see something like that.

[Sam Taggart]

We need it.

[Ananiah]

Someone gets up and does a monologue.

[Sam Taggart]

Literally, if someone did a little play of their movie. Come on.

[George Severis]

That would be cool. Like the Tonys. Like, how they do the musical performances.

[Ananiah]

Yes, yes, yes, I know. Well, the Oscars is missing something like that, I guess.

[George Severis]

Last night we had Barbara Babs.

[Sam Taggart]

Babs was to die.

[Ananiah]

But Ann Centers did a performance last night, too.

[George Severis]

That's true. That's true. Because the original songs do. But, like, I was expecting more. What I.

[Ananiah]

The original songs could just go anyway.

[George Severis]

Lady Gaga doing Sound of Music, however many years ago.

[Ananiah]

Sure.

[George Severis]

Do you remember that?

[Ananiah]

I don't really. I remember the Joker. Anyway, we'll go there. We'll go there.

[George Severis]

It was part of the Joker.

[Ananiah]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

She was in character as Harley Quinn doing Sound of Music.

[Ananiah]

That's good drag. Yeah, that's good drag.

[George Severis]

Oh, my God. Do you remember the one? Are you talking about the one where she was, like, in a plain white T shirt and clearly that wasn't plain black tee. Okay, fact check.

[Ananiah]

Look, he doesn't even want to say black. He doesn't want to say black.

[George Severis]

I'm walking into an interview with a gotcha journalist, a famous gotcha journalist, and setting myself up.

[Sam Taggart]

Thank you.

[George Severis]

I cannot believe this.

[Ananiah]

You still got it?

[Sam Taggart]

Of course. Of course.

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[Sam Taggart]

Should we do our first segment?

[George Severis]

Of course.

[Ananiah]

Oh shit, I forgot. Okay.

[George Severis]

Work. Okay. We're in charge.

[Ananiah]

Yes, please.

[Sam Taggart]

Just barely. So our first segment is called Straight Shooters. And in this segment we're going to ask you a series of rapid fire questions. It's basically this thing or this other thing and you choose one.

[Ananiah]

Okay.

[Sam Taggart]

And the only rule is you can't ask any follow up questions or we will get so upset.

[George Severis]

Okay.

[Sam Taggart]

FKA twigs or MGMT's kids. This is tough. This is a millennial classic.

[George Severis]

MGMT. Don't look at her, she's our age.

[Ananiah]

FKA

[George Severis]

being complicit or blinking you'll miss it.

[Ananiah]

I guess blinking you'll miss it.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay. A dreaded Monday or a shredded ba Day.

[Ananiah]

Shredded body

[George Severis]

game, set, match or Rachel Dratch.

[Ananiah]

Rachel Dratch. Boom boom, boom.

[Sam Taggart]

Maggie Gyllenhaal or Yummy Tylenol?

[Ananiah]

Are you guys okay?

[Sam Taggart]

Are we gonna.

[George Severis]

We'll reveal that at the end of the episode.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay.

[George Severis]

There's no one you can call and we lock the door.

[Ananiah]

Sorry, can you repeat?

[Sam Taggart]

Maggie Gyllenhaal or Yummy Tylenol.

[Ananiah]

I'll take Tylenol for 220.

[George Severis]

Mustard on the beet or aioli with some heat.

[Ananiah]

Ooh, mustard on the beat.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay. Wearing a fleece that is fire or reading a piece that is dire.

[Ananiah]

Oh, am I having a stroke? Maybe the former.

[George Severis]

Getting bangs, growing fangs. Jessica Lang Going out with a bang or it has a little tangle.

[Ananiah]

The former as well.

[George Severis]

Period.

[Sam Taggart]

Wow.

[George Severis]

Well, we rank all our guests performance on a scale of 0 to 1000 doves in the Lady Gaga song, 1000 doves in the album Chromatica.

[Sam Taggart]

And I would say this was an Amazing performance.

[George Severis]

897 for sure. Yeah.

[Ananiah]

Wow.

[George Severis]

Congratulations.

[Ananiah]

Congratulations. That's like an 800.

[Sam Taggart]

How do you feel?

[Ananiah]

I feel fucked. I feel thoroughly fucked. I live for that, though. Thank you.

[Sam Taggart]

You really had a nice sense of surprise. You know, some of these guests, they come in here.

[Ananiah]

Well, this is just like, a slight tangent, please. I thought Jessica Lange was Jessica Chastain up until yesterday.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, this is. Sorry.

[Ananiah]

Yeah, I was like Jessica Lang, that really nice ginger lady. She's great in. Oh, my God. Almost.

[George Severis]

Footage not found. Just getting ice cream.

[Ananiah]

Let's move on.

[George Severis]

Yeah, she's in a new movie that's actually supposed to be very provocative. Jessica Lange, Jessica Chastain. She has an affair with an undocumented dancer. And that's all I'll say.

[Sam Taggart]

You know, this is actually. Thank you for bringing this movie up, because I was seeing trailers for this movie, I want to say, six months ago.

[George Severis]

Oh, really?

[Sam Taggart]

And then where is it?

[George Severis]

Oh, I just found out about it, like, two weeks ago. So I think they're trying to do social commentary, if you can imagine that.

[Ananiah]

Sure.

[George Severis]

And it is social commentary led by Jessica Chastain. And pretty much it's like, what's the deal with inequality?

[Ananiah]

Like Wuthering Heights.

[George Severis]

It's exactly like Wuthering Heights. It's Wuthering Heights, but with the dancer and Jessica Chastain.

[Ananiah]

And Jessica Chastain's just there.

[George Severis]

She's like a rich woman who's, like, in charge of a big foundation.

[Ananiah]

So she's just there.

[George Severis]

So she's just there. Yeah, yeah.

[Ananiah]

Work. Okay. It sounds like a Hallmark movie.

[Sam Taggart]

Jennifer engages in a dangerous affair with

[Ananiah]

Fernando, an undocumented ballet dancer, leading to complex power struggles.

[George Severis]

Well, I'm sure it does.

[Ananiah]

That's the. That's it. That's. That's the one line.

[Sam Taggart]

That's the one line.

[Ananiah]

Wow. I'm not going to that. Oh, my God.

[Sam Taggart]

It does feel like a movie that has sort of been, like, done a hundred times in the last four years.

[Ananiah]

What's the dynamic on it?

[George Severis]

I think that they're like. They have, like, an erotic. Like, they are really connected erotically. And she's, like, in a very problematic white woman way, is like my, you know, young, you know, fiery dancer boyfriend. And then he's like, but I'm a person. And she's like, oh, sorry, I'm away from my email right now.

[Sam Taggart]

That's the plot.

[George Severis]

That's the plot.

[Sam Taggart]

It's like White Lotus.

[Ananiah]

We've seen it.

[Sam Taggart]

Fifty shades of green.

[Ananiah]

We've seen it.

[George Severis]

White lotus meets 50 shades of gray.

[Ananiah]

Not too much on 50 shades of gray. Gray. That's all I'm going to say.

[Sam Taggart]

You like this film?

[Ananiah]

I watched it multiple times.

[Sam Taggart]

Really huge.

[George Severis]

Dakota Johnson fans.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, my God, I really support her.

[Ananiah]

Love that. Love that.

[George Severis]

Never mind. No, no, say it. No, no, no, I can't. Wow. The media training. Training.

[Ananiah]

Media training.

[George Severis]

They implanted a little chip on you. And as. As soon as you start talking about Dakota Johnson's acting style, it buzzes.

[Ananiah]

There's a little crack in the system.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. On our podcast, you're kind of allowed to say whatever for some reason.

[George Severis]

Yeah, yeah, that's true.

[Sam Taggart]

It's really nice. We'll see where the short form clips go.

[George Severis]

Bastion of free speech we have in this country.

[Sam Taggart]

That's true. That's true, actually.

[Ananiah]

Wow. You are on the front lines. That's right.

[Sam Taggart]

Somebody has to be.

[George Severis]

You're welcome.

[Ananiah]

Thank you.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay, so now let's get into the straight topic. I would say. Okay, so what is your straight topic today?

[Ananiah]

I brought to you today. Sharks.

[George Severis]

Ooh, I love that. Shall we? Yes, I love it.

[Ananiah]

Okay.

[George Severis]

By the way, I want to say you, when we asked you to bring us your topic, took out a note on your phone that you said is a list of things that piss you off.

[Ananiah]

I have a list of pet peeves that my best friend Denver taught me to make. And this is my straight topic of the day when men aren't groomed or wearing makeup on the red carpet.

[Sam Taggart]

This is so interesting.

[Ananiah]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Say briefly what you feel is straight about it.

[Ananiah]

I feel like the complete something about. Okay. And this is from a straight man. The thing I'm upset with is straight men. Yeah, I understand why straight women feel like they need to shout out Pamela

[George Severis]

Anderson and Alicia Keys.

[Ananiah]

And Alicia Keys. After that. Never mind. God, I keep wanting to whack the girls for no reason anyway.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, please.

[Ananiah]

No, I think my problem is. My problem is when straight men go on the carpet, there is a rejection of the. Maybe the theater of it in a way that we. It almost feels necessary to me. It feels like if you're there, you should participate fully. And I think like, presenting like yourself. Well, is good. Maybe not. How do I say this? Politically correct. No, I'm just gonna say it. I wanna see men wearing, you know, whatever makeup makes them feel good and presents them well on the red carpet. And I just don't think. I think there's a thing with straight men specifically come on the red carpet, they might have a nice tailored suit on or whatever, but Then their face looks ghastly.

[George Severis]

Are you wanting Sean Penn in, like, a full beat?

[Ananiah]

I'm wanting Sean Penn with, you know, a taper on the beard.

[George Severis]

Sure.

[Ananiah]

Maybe a little chapstick.

[George Severis]

A little chapstick goes a long way.

[Ananiah]

Maybe a brown mascara. You know what I mean?

[George Severis]

Lips.

[Ananiah]

Someone took a spoolie through their brow.

[George Severis]

Totally.

[Ananiah]

See what I mean? Like, whatever makes you feel masculine on the carpet. Whatever. But it's like, it's getting to a point where it's like, you look terrible. And then they always bring their wife or their wife brings them and they look fucking gorgeous. And there's just such a huge chasm between the two. And I think it's time for us to build that bridge.

[Sam Taggart]

The conversation around. Men in makeup is so straight. Men. It's like, it's like lost. Like, we don't know how to have it tastefully, like, without. It's such a loaded convo, which is crazy.

[Ananiah]

I don't get it. It's just such. Not a gender. It's not a gender thing. Yeah. Maybe because I've done the work, of course.

[Sam Taggart]

Pause for applause.

[Ananiah]

Thank you. Maybe I just. I haven't. I can't see makeup as, like, a gendered thing. I can see it as, like, a gender maybe tool. Something to, like, find a little affirmation somewhere.

[George Severis]

You know, all these men do wear makeup as part of their job. It's not like.

[Ananiah]

Exactly. That's the thing that pisses me off. It's like, you wear makeup on the set.

[George Severis]

Yes. And this is also part of your job. You are going to a televised ceremony as an actor.

[Ananiah]

Like, and I'm sure, like, maybe it's so unclockable, I'm not seeing it. Maybe. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I don't think so.

[Sam Taggart]

Maybe they're doing such a natural look. They're like, we need to make you more ghastly so they don't think you have makeup on.

[Ananiah]

Exactly. Maybe that's what it is.

[Sam Taggart]

I. This is a tough one. I feel that, you know, George knows when it comes to grooming and self care, I'm not necessarily the best at it. I had a really humiliating moment, I must say, where I used to write on the show after midnight. And it was like a late night show, and I was gonna be on camera, and I was like, you know, they were, like, doing, like, little makeup, and then she was like, I have to trim your nose hairs. Cause I was like, there's nothing wrong with that. But I just, like, didn't even know. I didn't know to, like, do that.

[Ananiah]

That.

[Sam Taggart]

And I think I'm like, oh, my God. Like, so many.

[George Severis]

Like.

[Sam Taggart]

And I'm a gay guy. Like, so many men must not even think about it because they're like, this is just.

[Ananiah]

My hairy men are in. Right? Yeah, Gay guys.

[Sam Taggart]

That's true.

[George Severis]

But it's also like, there's a kind of an ungroomed gay guy can be sexy in a different way than an ungroomed straight guy.

[Ananiah]

I'm with you. I see that. Like, especially on a carpet.

[George Severis]

Especially on a carpet.

[Ananiah]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

So who specifically would you like to call out on camera? But actually, before you answer that, I want to know, because grooming is one thing. How do you feel about fashion? Are you satisfied with a simple tux or do you think they need to be turning a look? Do you want to see Leo in a sort of Billy Porter esque hat with a curtain on it?

[Ananiah]

I think there's an in between that can be played with. I think I'm personally tired of just seeing, like a black and white suit on the red carpet. I'm a little. We've seen it. You know, I think there's. You can play with style, cut, texture, silhouette. There's so many things you can do with the suit that I just think they're not doing because it's easier to not. And like, they look fine. Yeah. Like seven. Like six. Seven out of ten each time. But it's like, where's the fun in that? Do you like going to award shows wearing the same thing over and over? And I just think it's a bit of like, there's the fun. You know, it's like, what can I. What's going to look good on me? How can I change it up? You know, I think of like. And Coleman Domingo isn't straight, but Colman Domingo, like, his ability to wear men's fashion and tear it out and like. And like, really turn that hole out. Like, it's. Sorry, sorry. That wasn't. I just started thinking about Colman Domingo.

[Sam Taggart]

Redacted.

[Ananiah]

Sorry, sorry. Something about Colman Domingo being able to, like, make men's fashion like that or like wisdom K. Like, these people are, like, at the top of it when it comes to men's fashion. I just think there's a.

[George Severis]

But I think Colman Domingo is so the exception. Like.

[Sam Taggart]

Sure.

[George Severis]

You know what I mean? But if he can do it, then what?

[Ananiah]

I think we could try. Like, I think it. I think if. Okay. Leonardo DiCaprio.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. This is a good.

[George Severis]

I thought his Jaw looked great last night.

[Ananiah]

His jaw.

[George Severis]

Mm.

[Ananiah]

Great. Yay. Yay. Um, I don't know, I just think there's like, put a. I don't know, wear a scarf. I'm not saying you have to wear the exact same thing as Colman Domingo, but like, you could. There's obviously a way you can take inspiration from something.

[George Severis]

But.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay, so someone like Timothee Chalamet was, like, taking swings this year.

[George Severis]

He's been taking swings. Do you remember when he wore a That's true harness? That was a huge moment.

[Ananiah]

Did he really?

[George Severis]

I don't know. Maybe I made that up.

[Sam Taggart]

No, it was like that, like, Louis Vuitton, like, fashion harness.

[Ananiah]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

It wasn't like a leather harness, but

[Ananiah]

it was like, can I get eyes on this? I'm gonna look this up.

[Sam Taggart]

People were doing it for like a full six month period.

[George Severis]

He was one of the first straight men to join in on the harness trend.

[Ananiah]

Do I look up Timothee Chalamet harness?

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Ananiah]

Oh, that's. That's. I don't think that's.

[George Severis]

Well, it's very. It's very 2017.

[Ananiah]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

At the time. At the time, it was a gag.

[Ananiah]

Sure. Okay. I. I'm not. I'm not gagging. Right. But okay.

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[Sam Taggart]

Is from 2019.

[George Severis]

Oh, interesting.

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This one.

[Ananiah]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

2019.

[Ananiah]

Yeah, I guess so.

[George Severis]

I feel like you look so much

[Ananiah]

more comty here than. Right. Well, he's. Because he was still in his fake gay bag.

[Sam Taggart]

That's the thing.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Ananiah]

Okay.

[George Severis]

And you mentioned Harry Styles. There was. There is a nar there. A lot of these guys first did the fake gay Absolutely thing and even fake sort of non binary in a way. And then. And then sort of transitioned, if you will, into. And I will into being sort of just like a. Like almost like right wing adjacent aesthetically.

[Ananiah]

I don't know if Timothy's going right wing, but I see what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[George Severis]

Like, there was just a moment where they were like.

[Sam Taggart]

Got it.

[George Severis]

Yeah. This is no longer marketable. Like, I don't need to pretend I love wearing a skirt.

[Ananiah]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

And so now I can just finally wear like a sort of like fuckboy streetwear inspired hypebeasty suit.

[Ananiah]

Yeah, I'm with you. Also, the. I already talked about this before, but Timothy's press tour for Marty supreme and let's talk about that was crazy. Like, I like him as an actor.

[George Severis]

I know. I do too.

[Sam Taggart]

Me too.

[Ananiah]

But good gov. Was that insane.

[George Severis]

Why did he feel the need to like, he really. It Was such an unforced error. I was like, I'm on your side, Slim Shady. I was like, we're all on your side. Why are you doing this?

[Sam Taggart]

I think at first it was sort of like it was bad, but in a way that it was like, but he's pulling it off. And so you're like. It's like someone wearing an ugly hat and you're like, whoa, he's doing it. Yeah. And then. And then it like went on too long. Cause like, it was almost like the moment it got like, Oscar's time. He should have been like, actually, I'm just really humble and grateful to be here. But instead he, like, kept going and it's like, no, you, like. He overplayed his hand.

[George Severis]

I think he really did.

[Sam Taggart]

Because at first it was like, it like got a lot of buzz for the movie. It did kind of work.

[George Severis]

And it was also. The thing is the vibe of it was the vibe of the movie.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

It's so a 24 and they're casting regular people and it's the Safdie brothers and it's like, we don't care about being politically correct and blah, blah. And he did it on purpose. It just then sort of went too far.

[Sam Taggart]

It went too far.

[George Severis]

And then it's so funny to then award. It's like, Michael B. Jordan is of course, the most dignified.

[Ananiah]

Yeah, that man is well spoken.

[George Severis]

So it's just like, okay, yeah, that's what we want.

[Ananiah]

Yeah, yeah, I'm with you there. I also just think if we're comparing performances, Michael B. Jordan, like, he should get two Oscars for that.

[Sam Taggart]

Hello.

[Ananiah]

At this point, what do you think

[Sam Taggart]

of all the brooches?

[George Severis]

Yeah, what's going on?

[Ananiah]

Oh, where they just put like a brooch on a suit.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, they love brooches. Now.

[Ananiah]

Enough.

[Sam Taggart]

I was just like, wait, so everyone's doing broaches?

[Ananiah]

There's like something like, if there was like. And maybe it's cause I'm a drag queen. Like, if. If they wore a suit in the front and then they turned around and that brooch was the size of their back, I'd be gagged.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, that's.

[Ananiah]

You know what I mean? That would be cunt.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Ananiah]

But what I'm seeing, like, these, like, little. Enough.

[Sam Taggart]

I did like, Michael B. Jordan had a little one on the back of his suit, which I thought was interesting.

[Ananiah]

Which is interesting.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Ananiah]

You know, I thought he was. I think he looked fine.

[George Severis]

I liked his suit because that was like a little bit out of the ordinary, but not Trying to be either gay or overly fashiony. Like it.

[Ananiah]

And what does the gay suit look like?

[George Severis]

What does the gay suit look like?

[Ananiah]

Yeah. Is this the Billy Porter types?

[George Severis]

I mean. Well, it certainly is the Billy Porter types, but I'm talking. But like, in terms of straight men going gay, sure. It is like the Harry Styles thing. It is Timmy and a harness in 2019. Whereas, for example, when Timmy and Kylie did the like orange pleather love. That's like, at least that is them leaning. That's like straight camp.

[Ananiah]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Which is like. Okay, well, good for you.

[Ananiah]

Liked it. Yeah. Enough. Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

I mean, we. Okay. So this is about how straight men present themselves on the red carpet.

[George Severis]

Yes, yes.

[Sam Taggart]

And I'm like. But like, how do gay men present themselves on the red carpet? Like, that is also.

[Ananiah]

I appreciate a big swing. That's all I'm gonna say there. Yeah, I really do. I like it when people take. Cause then it's like, now we know what not to do.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay, so that's what too far looks like.

[Ananiah]

That's awesome. Okay, that's cut in a way that I don't necessarily want to replicate.

[George Severis]

Well, that is. I feel like I'm trying to think. I really don't want to keep going in on Billy Porter. So I'm trying to think of other examples of gay guys that always go all out on the red carpet bit. Well, Dan Levy.

[Ananiah]

Oh, yeah, sure.

[George Severis]

So.

[Sam Taggart]

So what is everyone's favorite color?

[George Severis]

I can't wait to see Rocky Horror.

[Ananiah]

Yeah, it's going to be great.

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[George Severis]

One of the most amazing things. Have you noticed this in the theater world? There's something very specific about theater events because something. Love. You know, for lack of a better way to describe this, theater people are not as, like, loaded as movie people.

[Sam Taggart]

So it's, like, monetarily.

[George Severis]

Monetarily. Just, like, in a simple way. So, so oftentimes you'll go to, like, a theater event. Let's say it's a fundraiser for an off Broadway theater or something like that. And the red carpet is all, like, normal gay guys like us that really had to put together an outfit. You know what I mean? And they're kind of like, okay, I have these burgundy. I have these burgundy Converse and this shirt that I got on the RealReal. And then I have this tie from prom, but maybe if I repurpose it, it'll be, like, ironic. And it's just. And then I have, like, a. And it is just. And then, of course, because it's all gay guys like that. It's not like, there's one. And he's making a statement. It's just like a parade of the most insanely dressed gay guys you've ever seen in your life. And then, of course, the straight men. Fedora, fedora, Fedora, Fedora, Fedora. And then.

[Sam Taggart]

George, you are bumming me out, because this is so hard, because it's like, whenever we're at any sort of event, I'm like, well, I'm not rich and famous yet.

[George Severis]

I know.

[Sam Taggart]

So how the hell am I supposed to pull out an amazing outfit for the. And yet I'm being photographed by the same cameras that the Richard Daniels people are being photographed by. So I'm gonna look bad.

[Ananiah]

Well, there's a. There's something about accessorizing that's really fun, too. Like, if you just find a different way to accessorize and just put a bunch of bullshit on, but, like, edit it. Bullshit.

[Sam Taggart]

Of course. This is something I've been. I'm starting to say, like, Coco Chanel as a. Just as a verb, when I'm like.

[George Severis]

Which means take one thing off.

[Sam Taggart]

Take one thing off.

[Ananiah]

Oh, yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Because whenever I'm like, coco, she needs to be. I need to be Coco Chanel ing,

[Ananiah]

like, So I just got Coco Chanel

[George Severis]

jealous.

[Ananiah]

Love that.

[Sam Taggart]

I was at a queer event recently. And I was like, there could have been some Coco Chanelling happening.

[Ananiah]

Sure, sure,

[George Severis]

sure. Well, yeah. Going to a queer event.

[Ananiah]

I don't know. I like it when people look crazy. You know, put that shit on.

[George Severis]

You know what? You're.

[Sam Taggart]

You're kind of turning us.

[George Severis]

You're turning us. Because I have felt like enough, and everyone really needs to Coco Chanel. And I think the vibe you're bringing to the table is like, yeah, we only have one life. Like, put on a 15 bracelet, there's a direct.

[Ananiah]

And someone else could say this much more. I guess they could say it better than me, right?

[George Severis]

I doubt it, but go on.

[Ananiah]

I think there's a direct reflection of fashion to the political landscape. And if we start going to the grayscale, I think it's almost like a submission or a. I see what you're saying.

[Sam Taggart]

That's a good point.

[Ananiah]

An acceptance of the things that are going on. Think there should be. There should just be more color.

[George Severis]

So you're saying fashion is a site of resistance. I think you can put on a hat. We could fight fascism.

[Ananiah]

Would you argue the fashion, make the hat ugly, and then we'll talk.

[George Severis]

Okay.

[Ananiah]

Right. Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

I mean, you're literally. That's why, like, men's fashion has gotten more conservative.

[Ananiah]

I mean, it's why men don't wear heels anymore.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Ananiah]

You know, that's the exact reason.

[George Severis]

No, it is. It's actually crazy to see it in black and white. No pun intended. That in terms of the grayscale, I mean, not race.

[Ananiah]

Well, George, in terms of the black and white text, you are on some kind of train today, and I don't.

[George Severis]

I can't believe this. Yeah, no, I meant literally in terms of the black, white tuxedos versus get it out. This episode's never being released, by the way, but it is crazy to be able to track when it was trendy to, like, for lack of a better term, queerbait or whatever.

[Ananiah]

Oh, sure.

[George Severis]

And then when it stopped being trend.

[Ananiah]

When metrosexuals were in.

[George Severis]

Yes, exactly. Because it was metrosexuals. Normal Harry Styles, back to normal. And that's the. That's the timeline of men's fashion now. Every time I say Harry Styles, you do have sort of a mini.

[Sam Taggart]

A very visceral.

[Ananiah]

It's like, you know how there's. There's soul mates, whatever the opposite of that is, really.

[Sam Taggart]

He's your enemy.

[Ananiah]

I feel like.

[George Severis]

Do you care?

[Ananiah]

Emmy probably doesn't know who the fuck I am. No, I just. I. I hate. I hate Oh, I love that.

[George Severis]

Do you like his music at all or just all of it? Your.

[Ananiah]

I will say I liked Sign of the Times. Hold on, sugar. Yeah, I like that one. I like Connilingus.

[George Severis]

Sure.

[Ananiah]

And then I liked. Oh. And you know what was really the nail in the coffin? When he got album of the year, and he was like, this doesn't happen. This doesn't happen for people like me.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[George Severis]

For British people, for non binary people.

[Ananiah]

If non binary is my promise. If he was non binary, that would help.

[George Severis]

Totally.

[Ananiah]

That would help. But alas.

[George Severis]

Yeah, no, I mean, I. I obviously see what you're saying.

[Ananiah]

There's like a part of me that's like, why am I being a hater? Let him do whatever the he wants. But I do. I do think he's holding back the queer community, even though he hasn't admitted or wants to be queer publicly. That's all I'm gonna say.

[George Severis]

It was just a funny thing. No, no, no. It was a funny thing because he really went all in on it. And then at some point was like, well, this is awkward. And I'm sort of done with that.

[Ananiah]

I just hate that he, like, gets the. He gets the opportunity to turn it off, you know, And a lot of.

[George Severis]

100%. 100%, yeah.

[Ananiah]

A lot of people don't get that option. And. And when he says things like, winning album of the year doesn't happen for people like me, that is something that's out of touch. It's completely unfounded. And I think it was honestly the most. The rudest thing he could have said in that moment.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, I like that. He's like, I'm not gay anymore. Now I'm a runner.

[Ananiah]

I'm a runner. And he keeps kissing dudes. Like, that's gonna do. There's this one of my favorite tweets. It has GMR Giamarco's, like, doing the My everything pose from Ariana Grande. And then one of the tweets replied is like, either suck a dick or knock this off. And I.

[George Severis]

And I keep thinking about that.

[Ananiah]

Every time someone mentions Harry Styles name, I'm like, suck a dick or knock it off.

[George Severis]

This is.

[Sam Taggart]

This is like, what a perfect phrase. There's so many times when I feel

[Ananiah]

this way, suck a dick.

[Sam Taggart]

I'm like, it's not hard. Open your phone and suck a dick. Or shut up.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Or sit normal.

[Ananiah]

It's not hard, but it is hard.

[Sam Taggart]

It is hard.

[Ananiah]

Get it?

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, the jokes are hard.

[George Severis]

That's really good.

[Ananiah]

Thank you. I'm a comedian.

[George Severis]

He did do that gay movie about policemen or whatever.

[Ananiah]

Yeah, he did do that.

[George Severis]

Did you love that?

[Ananiah]

I didn't watch it sometimes.

[George Severis]

I didn't either. No one did.

[Sam Taggart]

My beef with him is I'm always like, are you even fully in any of this? Like, him making music. I'm like, do you even like music?

[Ananiah]

Yes. What was the one with Florence Pugh? Which means, don't worry, darling. Don't worry, darling.

[Sam Taggart]

Don't worry, darling. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ananiah]

I was like, wow, Florence is acting with a brick wall. I was like, wow, I'm watching this movie. Florence is fucking amazing. God help this woman. And then her husband shows up.

[George Severis]

I know. And then they made him an incel. Do you remember?

[Ananiah]

Yes.

[Sam Taggart]

I didn't see this film.

[Ananiah]

I went into that movie thinking, like, okay, maybe he could.

[George Severis]

Maybe he can keep up.

[Ananiah]

It's Florence Pugh. Maybe he has to keep up. That girl was dragging him.

[Sam Taggart]

That's why he was in it. But he's in all this. Everything he does. I'm like, do you even care? Do you even care about this?

[Ananiah]

It can't be that bad.

[George Severis]

I think what he wants to be, he has this romantic Bob Dylan vision of being in a smaller venue playing acoustic guitar, and that's never gonna happen for him because he's a pop star who used to be in One Direction. So now he's trying to make the best with the cards that were dealt, which are, oh, no, he's really hot and famous. And so that's how we're getting the types of things you're describing. Okay.

[Ananiah]

So I would love to talk about Harry Styles with, like, a sociologist. Really? Like, what's happening here?

[Sam Taggart]

Well, it's also interesting. This is bubble, bubble, bubble. But I'm like, I don't even know anyone who's like, God, I can't wait for the new Harry Styles album. Like, I'm like, it's a bubble. I'm being lied to.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Like. But I know people gag, but I don't know any of them and never have.

[George Severis]

I'm trying to think of other red carpet exam, like, people who slay the red carpet.

[Ananiah]

Straight men.

[George Severis]

Straight men.

[Ananiah]

Straight. Straight men.

[Sam Taggart]

Straight men.

[Ananiah]

Straight men.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, it's tough.

[George Severis]

Oh, what do you think of Jacob Elordi? He's taking risks.

[Ananiah]

Is he?

[George Severis]

Yes. He's always in some, like, cropped blazer.

[Sam Taggart]

He has a little bag on him.

[George Severis]

Yeah. Cropped blazer, little bag. Thoughts.

[Ananiah]

It's not memorable, right?

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Ananiah]

I didn't even know that was. I'm Sorry, I didn't know that was happening.

[George Severis]

I didn't know that was happening.

[Ananiah]

Yeah, I guess so. I mean, if he wants to. Well, he's also kind of doing the little. The gift gay.

[George Severis]

But he's still doing gay. He's actually the only one still doing gay. He hasn't gotten the memo that it's back to straight.

[Ananiah]

Okay. What, was he gay in Saltburn?

[George Severis]

No, I mean, like, literally, like, red carpet wise, he's still doing kind of serving LGBTQ teas.

[Sam Taggart]

I don't know if he is.

[Ananiah]

I don't. I wouldn't.

[Sam Taggart]

I would say he's just being like.

[Ananiah]

He was there last night. Can I see what he was wearing?

[Sam Taggart]

He was kind. He's kind of being like fashion bro.

[George Severis]

He's being fashion, bro. You're right. You're right.

[Ananiah]

He's a little accident.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Ananiah]

That's how.

[Sam Taggart]

That's my read of his vibe.

[Ananiah]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

But I can't think of it like

[Ananiah]

he was just wearing a three piece suit.

[George Severis]

Okay.

[Ananiah]

And a bow tie. Yeah.

[George Severis]

Last night he was.

[Sam Taggart]

Sounds like he was serving.

[George Severis]

What?

[Sam Taggart]

I'm kidding. Just because you say that he was being so gay and he's not. He's wearing the most normal things.

[Ananiah]

No, I think he's just Australian. The thing this is like, he looks fine. He looks great.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

I find men's fashion just in general, like, other than the rare exceptions like the Colman Domingos, like, it just is. Like, I really do feel damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[George Severis]

No, it's true. Because if you try to do something, if you do a velvet, you know, like a forest green velvet jacket, people are gonna be like, well, he looks like a waiter or whatever.

[Ananiah]

Yeah. I feel like there's. There has to be some kind of, like locker room talk happening that's like stopping them from, like, trying. I know. I think men's fashion can be. We've seen it. We've seen men's fashion be fun. I'm thinking wisdom. K. Duh. Colman, Domingo. Even Pedro Pascal has some really good moments. Pedria, Like, I think there's an opportunity for men's fashion to be fun, and it's just. They're not. It all. It just can't all be a black three piece suit. It just can't be right.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Ananiah]

It can't be there.

[Sam Taggart]

You know what needs to happen? You know how when you have a potluck, you, like, if you're really caring about it, you'll make sort of an Excel sheet checklist where it's Like, I'm bringing dessert. No one else brings dessert. So we don't have 100 desserts and nothing to eat. And I think we need to do that with award shows where it's like, one person's allowed to wear the black shirt.

[Ananiah]

One person. And they have to be the most tenured grandfather.

[Sam Taggart]

Exactly.

[George Severis]

Hopkins.

[Sam Taggart]

You have to earn it.

[Ananiah]

Yes.

[Sam Taggart]

And then only one person's allowed to wear a hat with a curtain on it.

[Ananiah]

I don't know. Electrical. Well,

[George Severis]

engineers.

[Sam Taggart]

Engineers. And, like, one person can do 90s. One person can do 70s.

[Ananiah]

Yeah, I'm with you.

[Sam Taggart]

I think this would be fun.

[George Severis]

I will say, as much as I think, like, I'm willing to forgive people wearing normal tux to the ostrich or something. What does piss me off is you're going to the Met Gala and wearing a normal tux.

[Ananiah]

That is crazy to me.

[Sam Taggart]

No, that's true.

[George Severis]

You literally don't go donate to the Costume Institute or whatever it's called.

[Ananiah]

You literally have a theme. Why are you wearing a black.

[Sam Taggart]

I will say, though, sometimes an outfit's so boring, it sticks with me. Do you remember when Frank Ocean at the Met Gal wore, like, just like,

[George Severis]

a Prada black Prada? I like that.

[Sam Taggart]

I love that. Yeah. I think about it all the time, and it's so.

[George Severis]

He just as hell not nylon. What's that material called?

[Sam Taggart]

Like, almost like a windbreaker.

[George Severis]

Like a windbreak. A Prada windbreaker with a tie, I guess.

[Sam Taggart]

So it's like the most. Because at the time, everyone's sort of like, like, jump off a cliff. This is not an outfit.

[George Severis]

You know, Mark Ronson wore a orange windbreaker to the Golden Globes, and I thought it was sort of a fun, fun little twist.

[Sam Taggart]

That is a fun little twist.

[Ananiah]

He also, I think about, like, men's fashion being fun. Oh, Lil Nas X too.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, yeah.

[Ananiah]

Like, when he wore that pink. That pink suit, that was actually a cool. The reveals up the stairs.

[Sam Taggart]

That's fun. That was really fun.

[Ananiah]

How fucking fun is that?

[Sam Taggart]

We need to he what's going on there.

[George Severis]

We can't get into it. When he left public life, I do think we've been missing a really important presence on the carpet. Like, I forgot. Even when you just said that, I was like, oh, my God. Like, there used to be fun and whimsy. Like, there is no one doing that.

[Ananiah]

Yeah. The dandyism Met Gala.

[Sam Taggart]

Yes. Oh, my God, that was fun.

[Ananiah]

That's fucking fierce. And I will say, a lot of men turned that out too.

[Sam Taggart]

That's true.

[Ananiah]

A lot of men turned out true.

[George Severis]

Oh, my God. I remember Tiana Taylor.

[Ananiah]

Oh, my God.

[George Severis]

That was really cool.

[Sam Taggart]

Wait, what'd she wear then?

[George Severis]

She was just like dandied out. Like, it just was like a cartoon. Like, it was. It was.

[Ananiah]

Yeah, it was really good.

[George Severis]

That was good. Then this year, the theme is art.

[Ananiah]

Is it really?

[George Severis]

It's literally like fashion.

[Ananiah]

The one that Beyonce's doing.

[George Severis]

Yes.

[Ananiah]

It's just art. Okay.

[George Severis]

It's like fashion as art. So I think people are gonna be, you know, showing up.

[Ananiah]

What do we think we're gonna see?

[George Severis]

Framed Mona Lisa.

[Ananiah]

Exactly.

[George Severis]

Taped to their starry night night. Yeah.

[Ananiah]

On the skirt. Right.

[George Severis]

I think it's gonna be a lot of like. Ooh, yeah, like reference. Yeah, like references to artwork. Oh, a lot of like Warhol or like Steve Harang.

[Sam Taggart]

The tackiest look I can think of. Who's that guy who does like the glass sculptures, like Chu? Oh, God, what is it called? No, it's like tackier. It's like more modern.

[Ananiah]

Whatever.

[Sam Taggart]

No, but that would be funny too.

[George Severis]

Okay.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay.

[Ananiah]

Whatever.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, I'll think on it.

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[Sam Taggart]

Wait. Should we do a final sight?

[Ananiah]

Okay, I'm.

[Sam Taggart]

Should we do a final.

[Ananiah]

I'm scared.

[George Severis]

Do you have any final thoughts on men's red carpet fashion?

[Ananiah]

Just take a swing fellas, and let me and let me judge you from home.

[George Severis]

You've inspired me. Honestly changed my mind. I've been in a real retreat Where I'm like, I mean, you can. Until today, I'm wearing a very simple. I've been very like, I'm in my adult contemporary era. I'm sort of the Olivia Dean of gay guys.

[Ananiah]

Now when she sends your ass a cease and desist, my signature's gonna be, oh, my God.

[George Severis]

But now you're inspiring me to, like, go.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay. If Coco Chanel is taking one thing off, Billy Portering is putting one thing on.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Ananiah]

Hell yeah.

[George Severis]

Yeah. Okay. Our final segment is called Shoutouts. And in this segment we pay homage to the grand strait tradition of the radio shout out. You're shouting out something you love to your squad back home. We make them up on the spot, so we gotta. They have to come to us. Do you have one?

[Sam Taggart]

I have one. What is up, freeclosers and perverts around the globe? I wanna give a huge shout out to Boppin. When I am in New York City, all I want to do is bop, bop, bop around. Go to all my little stores, say no, no, no, thank you. And I can do this for a whole afternoon. And when I do it, I am in absolute heaven. I think the la. Of course, I'm learning to love it due to my amazing and beautiful gym. But I do think one thing that it does not have is bopping. I can't bop for the life of me. And when I am here, all I want to do is be bop bop, bop. So shout out to walking and going into stores and saying no thank you. Xoxo, Sam.

[George Severis]

What's up, foodies? I want to give a shout out to Wings. You know, for a long time I was actually anti wings, believe it or not, because I said, I'm not a child. I can't be covered in sauce and have sticky fingers and be like sort of insecure about how I'm not actually eating enough meat off the bone. And then someone's going to judge me because I. I left too much on. And recently I went to a wings based birthday party and I said, you know what, George? Just let go of fear and go with God. And I had the most amazing meal of my life. I was covered in hot sauce, my fingers were so sticky, I looked like I was in a fisting seminar. And I was having the time of my life. And I just, you know, I really am reconsidering wings as a food option for myself. And I'm saying, go out there, have a party at a wing spot and think of me.

[Ananiah]

Hey, queers, it's Ananiah. Just wanted to hop on Here. And say, shout out to trees. I love trees. I love paper, I love pencils, and I love chairs. You know, there's so many things that a tree could be, and it chooses to be all of them, all the time. Shout out to oak, birch, willow. All of you. All the males, all the females, all the trees that transition, or the trees who choose not to. I see you and I love you. Signed, your fellow botanist, Anania Woo.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, that was beautiful. Actually, that really told a story.

[Ananiah]

Thank you.

[George Severis]

Where do you stand on Mother Willow?

[Ananiah]

On the artist willow?

[George Severis]

Mother Willow? The tree from Pocahontas.

[Ananiah]

Oh, never mind.

[Sam Taggart]

To be fair, I was like, what's one Mother Willow from God?

[Ananiah]

I'm caught up.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Ananiah]

I love her.

[George Severis]

Okay, good.

[Ananiah]

Love her character arc.

[George Severis]

The Giving Tree.

[Ananiah]

Fierce. Yeah, yeah.

[George Severis]

What are other things?

[Sam Taggart]

Gorgeous.

[Ananiah]

Thank you. I'm on Broadway.

[George Severis]

You're on Broadway.

[Ananiah]

Sometimes I will, like, be mean to myself and be like, ugh, I can't sing. I'm flat. Blah, blah, blah, blah.

[George Severis]

And I'm like, no, you're on Broadway.

[Sam Taggart]

You're a side on Broadway.

[Ananiah]

You're a side on Broadway. I am aside on Broadway. And people should be very wary when they see me coming.

[George Severis]

We need to do an episode on sides.

[Sam Taggart]

We need to do an episode on sides.

[Ananiah]

We haven't yet.

[Sam Taggart]

No, we haven't done a. We need to be awake.

[Ananiah]

You guys with the microphone haven't talked about sides.

[George Severis]

To wait in those waters can be dangerous. Sure. And I don't even know if I have strong opinions on sides. Some of my best friends are sides.

[Ananiah]

Well, if engagement ever gets low, you can always bring up top bottom discords.

[George Severis]

I know.

[Sam Taggart]

That's true. That's true.

[George Severis]

It's something we always avoid because we think it's hack, but I think it's about time.

[Ananiah]

Oh, sure.

[George Severis]

Otherwise, we're not gonna ever get the invite to the Met Gala.

[Sam Taggart]

I won't be able to wear my windbreaker. That's right.

[Ananiah]

Yes, hon.

[George Severis]

Yeah, we just wear, like, a normal windbreaker from rei.

[Ananiah]

Like Goodwill. Yeah.

[George Severis]

Beautiful. Well, Ananya, people can see you in Rocky Horror. They can watch your show. Gaydar on all platforms.

[Ananiah]

Yes.

[George Severis]

Is there anything else you would like to shout out?

[Ananiah]

Me.

[George Severis]

That's enough.

[Sam Taggart]

That's enough.

[Ananiah]

That's plenty.

[George Severis]

Many people don't have, and, I don't know, zero everywhere. Many people do not have both a popular talk show and a Broadway role.

[Ananiah]

That's true.

[George Severis]

Wait, no, you're eating.

[Ananiah]

No. I love that you put that into perspective. I'm gonna be okay.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. Well, thanks. For doing the show.

[Ananiah]

Fuck yeah.

[George Severis]

Thank you.

[Sam Taggart]

Bye.

[George Severis]

Podcast ends now for our visual learners. You can watch full video episodes on our YouTube channel and subscribe to our

[Sam Taggart]

Patreon for two extra episodes a month

[George Severis]

at patreon.com stradiolear Stratio Lab is a

[Sam Taggart]

production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network and iHeart podcasts created and hosted

[George Severis]

by me, George Severis and Sam Taggart,

[Sam Taggart]

executive produced by Jenna Cagle, co produced

[George Severis]

by Becca Ramos, edited by Lauren Stumpf and mixed and mastered by Doug Bain

[Sam Taggart]

artwork by Michael Fails and Matt Grubb Theme music by Ben Kling.

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