"Straight Men Acting DL" w/ Ivy Wolk

Summary

StraightioLab – “Straight Men Acting DL” w/ Ivy Wolk

Release Date: November 11, 2025
Hosts: George Civeris & Sam Taggart
Guest: Ivy Wolk

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Main Theme / Purpose

In this raucous, rapid-fire episode, George and Sam welcome comedian-actor Ivy Wolk to dissect the peculiar phenomenon of straight men acting "DL" (down-low), meaning secretive or closeted in their heterosexual relationships—mirroring the behavior of closeted gay men. The episode meanders through Ivy’s one-of-a-kind coming-of-age in Hollywood, the politics of being a public woman in comedy, her experiences with fame and cancellation, and why “acting DL” is straight culture at its most absurd. Pop cultural tangents, stories of industry rejection, and comedic free-association abound, united by a running critique of how shame and concealment manifest differently for straight men, gay men, and women.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Shifting Culture of New York & Election Aftermath [03:48-05:24]

• The episode opens with political satire and riffing on New York’s “new era” post-election.
• Zoran and Sam joke about changes in the city, exaggerating socialist policies (free rent, free childcare) and the resulting culture shock.

2. Introduction of Ivy Wolk and Her Comedy Persona [06:27-09:10]

• Ivy is introduced as a generational comedic talent (“our next Lisa Kudrow”).
• Ivy describes herself humorously: “It feels really great. I’m constantly employed because nobody’d be doing it like me… I really splurged on myself. CVS, Zenni Optical. My name is encrypted on the side.” — Ivy Wolk (07:12)
• She discusses the tedious, unglamorous realities of acting and why she prefers being funny over striving for leading-lady roles.

3. Satire of TV Productions & Comedy Actress Mount Rushmore [09:11-10:58]

• The group skewers the production choices and fashion in Ryan Murphy’s latest TV disaster.
• They compile a living Mount Rushmore of comic actresses:
  • “I think it’s Julia Louis-Dreyfus, Lisa Kudrow, Niecy Nash, Wendy McClendon-Covey...” — Zoran [10:29]
• Ivy explains her affinity for background roles, relating her niche to the “funny waitress number three” trope.

4. Typecasting, Gender, and ‘Stealing’ Gay Guy Roles [12:07-13:32]

• Ivy recognizes she fills roles traditionally written for flamboyant gay men: “I’m the new ‘oh honey, those shoes.’”
• She reflects on the industry’s tendency to pigeonhole women who are odd, brash, or character-driven.

5. Ryan Murphy, Women’s Interiority vs. Exteriority [13:16-15:03]

• Ivy details a career transition from working with female-positive directors (Sean Baker) to craving a “Ryan Murphy phase,” where women are defined by exterior bravado and suffering.
• “Put a lash on that bitch or I’m gonna kill.” – Ivy (on Murphy’s hair/makeup demands) [14:08]

6. Queer Media, Roller Derby, and ‘Not Being a Lesbian’ [19:21-21:43]

• Ivy’s roller derby background is discussed, with jokes about how, in LA, being an athletic girl doesn’t “make you” a lesbian.
• Ivy: “Not being a lesbian is very hard and sad…I leave there [with lesbians], ready to grow my bush down to my ankles and Lilith Fair myself into a field of weeds.” [20:16, 20:37]

7. Gender Dynamics, Mutual Aid, and Landlords [21:43-22:35]

• They riff on the ethics of paying rent to a lesbian landlord, positing it as queer mutual aid—unless landlordism cancels out queerness.

8. Consumer Satire — J.Crew Moms, Cashmere, and ‘The Crew’ [26:09-28:39]

• Tangent about J. Crew as a “predatory lender for suburban white moms.”
• Ivy invents an elaborate tale of J. Crew’s cashmere being made from missing people.

9. Vaping, Arrest, and Abolitionist Prisons [31:06-33:13]

• Ivy’s relationship to vaping mirrors her anti-authoritarian comedy voice: “If you want. If Zoran does anything for Vape, you know what he should do?…Vapes in the checkout line, $10.” [31:15]
• The trio jokes about a legal system where punishments reflect your beliefs (abolitionists get community service, not jail).

10. Underground Raves & Producer Culture [29:29-31:15]

• Ivy expresses a (mock-serious) desire to find “underground raves.”
• Group acknowledges that their off-mic producer looks cooler than they do—a recurring theme of generational/coolness anxiety.

11. The “Straight Men Acting DL” Phenomenon [70:00–80:00]

• Straight Topic: “My straight topic is being straight but acting hella DL.” — Ivy [69:55]
• DL as a straight cultural trait: Men who are secretive or discreet with their girlfriends in a way that mimics closet-case gay behavior.
• Ivy: “When straight guys act mad coy when it comes to pussy…when straight guys do a sneaky link type of thing…hide a bitch.”
• Zoran reframes: Non-committal straight guys are essentially emulating the secrecy of closeted gay men.
• The group discusses how, for straight men, this is less about shame and more about misogyny or fear of strong-willed women.
• “A DL gay guy has self-hatred. But a fuckboy embarrassed of you is a misogynist…specifically angry that you have personality.” — Zoran [74:10–74:15]
• Ivy: “There’s no way to fetishize concealing a woman with too much personality in a horny way.” [74:37]

12. Ivy Wolk’s Hollywood Origin Story [43:05–57:00]

• Early Acting: Hired at 13 for Freeform sitcom “Everything’s Gonna Be Okay,” fired for controversial online posts.
• Quote: “I made a TikTok when I was 14 or 15, dancing and stomping on top of a graveyard of aborted babies outside a church.” [45:21]
• Ivy’s sitcom downfall led to years of “Hollywood unemployment,” a return via indie projects, and academic pivots.
• Online Fame & Reputation: Ivy chronicles being subjected to cancel campaigns as a young comic online and why she was inspired by maligned Hollywood women.
• Quote: "I have become the kind of people that I have studied and obsessed over and diva-worshipped for so many years. …I can make myself the diva I worship in a way." [57:49]
• Ivy’s anti-“clipification” of comedy: Her standup relies on long, un-clip-able monologue. [82:12]

13. Celebrity Journalism, Media Satire, and the Death of the Middle Ground [59:14–63:45]

• Ivy and the hosts critique clickbait journalism and fan culture for destroying the Barbara Walters–level “middle ground” of critical celebrity interviewing.
• "Now everything will be one TikTok network…asking Malala, ‘Do you want to hit this J with me?’" — Ivy, [62:17]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Ivy on Being Cast as a Comic Character:
  “I know what my utility is… I am the character that says the chaotic, annoying things that makes the other characters look more like the hero so that people can root for them, root against me, and that propels their narrative.” [11:04]

• Satire on Straight Men Acting DL:
  “You’re not gay and you don’t have a wife. We met on Hinge.” — Ivy [71:01]
  “It’s diva worship that sort of brings shame upon your family.” — Ivy [72:58]
  “A DL gay guy has self-hatred. But a fuckboy embarrassed of you is a misogynist.” — Zoran [74:10]

• On Being a Maligned Female Comedian:
  “I had a lot of men, older than me, telling me, ‘Here’s a tip—try to make the audience like you right away.’ …They were telling me that like they’d just taken the fucking sword out of the stone.” — Ivy [77:19]

• On Art, Cancellation, and Becoming the Diva:
  “It was really painful and difficult at first, but now…it’s like I have become the kind of people that I have studied and obsessed over and, like, diva-worshipped for so many years.” — Ivy [57:49]

• Impromptu, True Chaos:
  Ivy farts during the shout-outs section:
  “I farted. That was crazy.” — Ivy [86:57]
  “That was improv. That was not scripted…That was me genuinely being random and out of character.” — Ivy [87:26]

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Important Timestamps

• 00:00–03:47: Ads, show announcements, and cold open
• 03:48–06:27: NYC political satire, banter
• 06:27–09:50: Ivy’s intro, early comedy talk
• 10:11–14:08: TV/film costuming, actress idols
• 19:15–21:43: On lesbian culture, mutual aid, gender
• 29:29–31:15: Underground raves, coolness anxiety
• 31:06–33:13: Vaping jokes, abolitionist law satire
• 43:05–57:00: Ivy’s Hollywood/online origin story
• 69:55–74:53: Straight topic: "Straight Men Acting DL" deep-dive
• 74:53–82:44: Gendered social penalties for honesty, public persona
• 86:31–91:56: Shoutouts — the group gives homages; Ivy surprises with a fart
• 92:27–94:11: Wrap-up, meta-reflection, Adam/final jokes

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Episode Tone & Style

• Language: Loose, unfiltered, darkly comic, extremely online, quick-witted, and laden with slang and subcultural references.
• Vibe: Rapid improvisational banter, real talk about showbiz and identity politics, and meta-commentary on podcasting and fame.

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Takeaway for First-Time Listeners

This episode is a comedic rollercoaster blending gossip, social satire, pop culture critiques, and confessional storytelling. Ivy Wolk emerges as the embodiment of the “brash, unmanageable, imitable” new generation of female comics—untameable by cancellation, typecasting, or the male gaze. Her signature blend of humor and social critique gives listeners a rare look into the intersection of fame, reputational anxiety, and the weirdness of straight male secrecy. If you want a fast, fearless deconstruction of contemporary straight and queer culture—and to laugh at the culture’s expense—this episode is for you.

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Suggested Not-to-Miss Moments

• [69:55–74:53]: Ivy’s explanation of “straight men acting DL” (straight topic proper), including why it’s a uniquely straight neurotic behavior.
• [43:05–57:00]: Ivy’s life story—child actor, cancellation, indie resurgence.
• [86:57]: Live fart — rare proof of total podcast comfort and chaos.
• [77:19–82:00]: On navigating comedy, cancellation, and being “too much” in public as a woman compared to men.

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For the full effect, this episode's a must-listen, but this summary captures the standout moments, themes, and Ivy Wolk's wild, funny take on how straight men strive to make being boring into a mysterious art form.

Transcript

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[Ivy Wolk]

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[George Severis]

Hooty Hoo this is George with a very special announcement. First of all, my debut stand up comedy special is coming out officially on December 2nd. It will be available to rent or purchase on Amazon and Apple and various other websites. But that is not what I'm here to announce because it is not available yet. I am merely saying that because I wanted to tell everyone that I am having a big special release show at the Bell house in Brooklyn, New York on December 3rd. That is the day after the special comes out.

[Zoran Mamdani]

So come to the Bell House.

[George Severis]

Come celebrate.

[Zoran Mamdani]

It'll be a big show.

[George Severis]

It'll be like a Georgian Friend style show with some extra special guests and surprises. And if you buy tickets now, then you won't have to buy them later when I announce the lineup publicly. So you heard it here first. Bell House December 3rd special release Georgian Friends show and then the Second thing is that Sam and I are doing a sort of last minute kind of industry adjacent show, a special edition Stradiolab live at On Air Fest in Los Angeles on November 11th. It is a podcast festival and there are a few tickets set aside for sort of the GA general admission crowd. If you don't professionally work in podcasting, you can still see us do our thing. So in conclusion, come to my special release show at the Bellhouse in Brooklyn on December 3rd. And if you're in LA, come see us at On Air Fest on November 11th. The tickets for that are on the Bellhouse website on my link tree. On the Straighter Lab link tree, honey. If you look for them, you'll find them. Enjoy the show.

[Sam Taggart]

Podcast starts now.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Welcome to Zahran Mamdani's New York City Baby.

[Sam Taggart]

We did it.

[Zoran Mamdani]

We did it. We are recording. Miriam. 20 hours after the election results were called. I don't. I don't know how to keep time much like our guest, but we. I can already feel the energy in the city changing. I'm already not paying for the bus. I don't think it's officially free yet. But I'm. I didn't pay today when I, when I boarded.

[Sam Taggart]

The energy is absolutely electric. I will say I flew in yesterday. Last night I got in and I tell you, I was pretty fake. I was faking it. Everyone around me was like, woo. And I was sort of like, yeah, I've been here the whole time too. You know what I mean? Like, I was like, I felt like a bit of a fake fan.

[Zoran Mamdani]

I know it's crazy that you left New York during the one exciting thing that happened.

[Sam Taggart]

I know. It was so messed up.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Well, you know, as someone who's been here the whole time, I can tell you the city's completely different. Like I said, I'm not paying for the bus. I had a child yesterday.

[Sam Taggart]

Congrats, by the way.

[Zoran Mamdani]

I dropped it off just at city hall. I said, they'll figure it out. They said, free childcare. I dropped it off in my car that was given to me by the state.

[Sam Taggart]

Amazing.

[Zoran Mamdani]

I got a VW bug and I dropped the baby off. I went to. You know you're allowed to do just a 24 hour clubbing under, under the Xeron administration so you can have a baby. The state takes care of it and then you just go clubbing.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, I actually went to get a sandwich today and they were like, that'll be $23. And I was like, not in my baby.

[Zoran Mamdani]

You haven't read The New York Post. Yet it seems.

[Sam Taggart]

Let's bring it back down to 12, huh?

[Zoran Mamdani]

Bring it back down to 12. And what else am I doing? I am. Oh, I'm not paying rent. Yay. Because, did you know freezing the rent means you just don't have to pay it anymore.

[Sam Taggart]

That's amazing.

[Zoran Mamdani]

So, anyway, I'm very excited. It felt very invigorating to cast my ballot. And needless to say, I'm excited for him to be completely worn down by the machine in approximately three weeks.

[Sam Taggart]

I know. That's the whole thing, though. I'm kind of excited. It's, like, fun. It's like watching the Joker. You're like, let's see how someone goes from happy and good to sad and bad. Do you feel like you're the only person on earth who hasn't met him?

[Zoran Mamdani]

You know, honestly, yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

It kind of felt like when someone famous dies and everyone has the picture.

[Zoran Mamdani]

With them, I would even go so far as to say, so. His whole thing is that he did a really good job of meeting so many people and walking up and down Manhattan, whatever. But at one point, it sort of cheapened it where I was like, okay, so he'll just say yes to the opening of an envelope. Like, why has he met literally 50?

[Ivy Wolk]

He's the Jeremy Oharas of politics.

[Zoran Mamdani]

He's the Jeremy Oharas of politics. Why has he not. And shout out to our dear friend Jeremy, but why has he not? Why has he met comedians and yes, comedians we know that have been on tv, but even ones that haven't.

[Ivy Wolk]

He was at Bell House with Mary Beth.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Yes, And Mary Beth, thankfully has been on TV since then, so that's okay. But at the time, actually, she hadn't been on television.

[Sam Taggart]

That really hurts.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Speaking of people who have been on television, I just want to say we are literally. I'm so excited for this guest.

[Sam Taggart]

I can't wait.

[Zoran Mamdani]

I think to me, I'm like, generational talent. Like, I'm like, this is our next Lisa Gutrow.

[Ivy Wolk]

Thank you.

[Zoran Mamdani]

So please welcome Ivy Woke.

[Ivy Wolk]

Hi.

[Zoran Mamdani]

So, Ivy, how does it feel to be a generationally gifted comedic actress?

[Ivy Wolk]

It feels really great. I'm constantly employed because nobody'd be doing it like me. So, you know, that's money in my pocket. I'm happy. I'm smiling. Bought these glasses for $30. I really splurged on myself. CVS, Zenni Optical. My name is encrypted on the side.

[Sam Taggart]

I saw that and I said, that's.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Did you pay extra for that?

[Ivy Wolk]

It was about $2 extra.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Oh, my God.

[Ivy Wolk]

It's a real steal.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Well, luckily your name is very short, so you didn't have to pay too much.

[Ivy Wolk]

It was a. It was 50 cents per letter. Yeah. I feel great. I feel great about my life. I feel very good. And I'm not addicted to Xanax anymore, so things are great.

[Zoran Mamdani]

And do you ad lib on set?

[Ivy Wolk]

Yeah, yeah. But I feel like when I'm working, I actually get mad quiet because the thing. Unfortunately, I am supremely gifted, but the entire filmmaking process to me is just so tedious and at times really annoying.

[Zoran Mamdani]

This is what people don't tell you. And I'm semi intentionally, semi, not intentionally. Have not done a lot of acting in my life, mostly because I'm not very good at it.

[Sam Taggart]

I'm gonna say not intentionally.

[Zoran Mamdani]

You're gonna say not intentionally?

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Okay.

[Sam Taggart]

I'm saying if somebody were like, hey, George, guess what? You get to be.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Oh, if someone offered me a role, then sure. But I'm saying I'm not hitting the pavement and auditioning like many of my friends. That's not a priority for me. No. No. Whereas I am, for example, getting rejected from writers rooms. That is something that I would say is non intentional. That I'm not currently writing for.

[Ivy Wolk]

It's an accident. Yeah. Acting is like completely. I find it completely exhausting and irritating. And it's like you have to, you know, stop everything that you're doing if a plane is overhead. And it's like, well, I actually want to get off work before the grocery store closes because all I have is a single pork chop in my fridge. So, no.

[Sam Taggart]

When people would get mad that there was like a coffee cup in a Game of Thrones still, I'd be.

[Ivy Wolk]

You don't even know how hard it is to disrupt something of that scope and caliber. It's like, leave the cup in.

[Sam Taggart]

Leave the cup in.

[Zoran Mamdani]

So we are recording while all the terrible reviews of that Ryan Murphy short are coming out.

[Ivy Wolk]

I watched the first episode last night.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Okay, we need to talk about it. I haven't watched it yet, but I'm kind of like, obviously, yes, I believe that it's bad, but I'm a little bit like, you guys don't know how many people worked in order for that to look even as good as it does.

[Ivy Wolk]

Oh, my God. And it doesn't even look good.

[Zoran Mamdani]

No, there are.

[Ivy Wolk]

But it was a big crew for sure.

[Zoran Mamdani]

A huge crew. The costume department alone, I mean, the amount of photos they had to put.

[Ivy Wolk]

Into ChatGPT, they took the amount of askew hats. They had to pin to Naomi Watts head.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Askew hats. Asymmetrical vests.

[Ivy Wolk]

A poncho.

[Zoran Mamdani]

A poncho.

[Ivy Wolk]

Poncho on poncho on poncho on poncho.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Like a stiletto boot. That is burgundy.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yes, it's a lot of burgundy. A kind of women are wearing burgundy.

[Zoran Mamdani]

He does lingerie on top of a button down shirt. Like it's formal. Button down, crisp shirt with hard collar. And then lingerie on top of that and then blazer on top of that.

[Ivy Wolk]

And Kim's hair is gelled down to the scalp like she stuck her head in a horse's vagina. And it's just like the discharge is just like, congealed the hair to the scalp. And then it's flipped at the end like, like the mom from the Flintstones and she's. Or the Jetsons.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Right.

[Ivy Wolk]

That's the one with the flip.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Yes, it's. No, it's Jimmy Neutron core.

[Sam Taggart]

It's giving, like Nina West.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

It's a plastic head.

[Zoran Mamdani]

It's a plast.

[Ivy Wolk]

It's a plastic headpiece. And Niecy Nash is like, in a trench, which, you know, I like to see Niecy in a trench, though, to me, I vote.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Niecy Nash, I've always said, is like, I would say top five comedic actress of all time.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yeah. Oh, I fully agree.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Like, I think it's Julia Louis Dreyfus, Lisa Kudrow, niecy Nash, Wendy McClendon, Covey.

[Ivy Wolk]

And when they maximize their joint slay on the HBO show Getting On.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Mm.

[Ivy Wolk]

I was shaking.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Jane Krakowski.

[Ivy Wolk]

Jane Krakowski. Ivy Wolk.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Ivy Wolk.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Janeane Garofalo.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Janine Garofalo. But I love Janine Garofalo, obviously. But I'm talking, like, precise surgical comedy of the type that, like, Jane Krakowski does.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yes.

[Zoran Mamdani]

It's very difficult to find.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yeah.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Who is your biggest comedic actor inspiration?

[Ivy Wolk]

Oh, my God. I mean, I feel like I look for it everywhere. I just, like, in everything that I watch. I'm really. Because they're the types of roles I play or, like, character parts I'm always looking for. Like, who's playing funny waitress number three? You know, who, like, at the end of the movie, like, when the credits are rolling really fast because it's like, let everybody get out of the theater. We have seats to clean. I'm like, okay, who was silly bellhop? You know? And that's always who I'm tuning in for. It's always just whoever makes up the ensemble, like, just a cog in the bigger machine. Because I feel like when I'm acting, it's like, I know, like, what my utility is like, at least thus far in my career, is like, I am the character that says the chaotic, annoying things that makes the other characters look more like the hero so that people can root for them, root against me, and then that propels their narrative. And so I'm always looking out for who else is doing stuff like that.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Ivy Wolk]

And there's very few people of my generation that fill the niche that I do.

[Zoran Mamdani]

You know, what I think you're doing is actually taking jobs from gay men because you're playing kind of traditionally.

[Ivy Wolk]

It would be like, oh, honey, those shoes. Like, that's what I'm doing. I'm the new. Oh, honey, those shoes.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Yeah. But also, like an even more depraved, like, sort of like a gay guy coming out of the club, foaming out of his mouth, being, like, on drugs, just being like, what's going on over there? What's that?

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, I can see you playing, like, an assistant. It'd be sort of gay assistant, where they're like, hey, I need that on my desk by Monday. And you're like, yeah. No.

[Ivy Wolk]

And I have played. I've played an assistant. I've played a candy shop employee. I've played a hotel clerk. I've played a high school student. Mean. High school student who's mean to gay guys.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Yeah, that's right. But also nice to other gay guys.

[Ivy Wolk]

Nice to other gay guys.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Pitting gay guys against each other.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yes. So my utility in this industry is sort of to pit gay men against each other and to just sit back and watch with a little smirk on my face and a bang just, like, kind of floating in the wind. And that's kind of. That's my specialty.

[Sam Taggart]

Wow. That's powerful.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yeah. And I haven't been picked up by Ryan Murphy yet.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, it's only a matter of time.

[Ivy Wolk]

I know.

[Sam Taggart]

I've come.

[Zoran Mamdani]

You know, as I've always said, working with Shawn Baker is just a stepping stone to the ultimate goal of working with Ryan Murphy.

[Ivy Wolk]

Ryan Murphy, Right. Yeah. Right. Because. Yeah, I mean, Shawn Baker, he loves women, but Ryan Murphy hates women. And so I'm sort of trying to.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ivy Wolk]

I've worked with a lot of people thus far who really love. Love women and love them and their totality and their interiority. And I'm really looking forward to pivot into this next chapter of my career where I'm working with Ryan Murphy. And I'm in like a shake and go, like, hard front fucking wig. And I'm blundering down the side of the highway in Los Angeles just screaming with, like, open wounds because my husband fucked, you know, the pool boy. Yeah.

[Zoran Mamdani]

And it's interesting, you know, you've worked with people who value women's interiority. Something you should explore is women's exteriority. No, Just like, no interiority.

[Sam Taggart]

No.

[Ivy Wolk]

Literally. Because classically, I've looked bad on camera in every single thing that I've been in because they don't think to put me in mascara oftentimes. Right. You know what? I don't know. So oftentimes they don't think, oh, let's put a lash on that, you know, and if I were to be in the hands of somebody like Ryan or, you know, Brad Felchuk, you know, his. His frequent collaborator, they would be in that hair and makeup trailer breathing over somebody, some iatse, you know, crew members, neck going, put a lash on that bitch or I'm gonna. I'm gonna kill ensue. You know, put a lash on that heifer. Her shit's gonna go turbulent, topsy, turvy, asap, you know, put a lash on her. Curl the hair, put her in a high collar, a nail.

[Sam Taggart]

Why doesn't Ryan Murphy get bored of doing what he does?

[Zoran Mamdani]

Ooh.

[Sam Taggart]

You know, like, how can you make the same money, Sam.

[Ivy Wolk]

Money. Sam. Money, money, money, money.

[Sam Taggart]

What else is he doing with the money? This is always where I go, where I'm like, at some point you have three houses.

[Ivy Wolk]

He probably has, like, seven concubines. Like, I feel like. I feel like he does have a harem of younger men who, like, that he found from, like, central casting to, like, pad out the background of like, you know, I always make this joke where I'm like. Ryan Murphy would purport that Caylee Anthony died in a dick sucking accident on a girls trip in Aruba. That's my joke. Caylee Anthony, she's that little girl that, you know, Casey Anthony.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Oh, Casey Anthony's daughter.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yes. And the thing is, we say the mother's name and not the daughter's name.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Okay, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. So your cause is that the Casey Anthony case is not focused enough on the daughter. It's because of ageism.

[Ivy Wolk]

It's skewed way too far towards Casey because she's the living, breathing, you know, proponent in the.

[Sam Taggart]

Can anyone tell me what happened here?

[Zoran Mamdani]

Alive ism. Casey Anthony.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, remind me. She killed her daughter.

[Ivy Wolk]

Casey Anthony is A lady who killed her daughter. But she was acquitted. White women free from their chains. Yes. So she killed her daughter, like stuffed her in a car, a trunk or car or.

[Zoran Mamdani]

No, I think pool.

[Ivy Wolk]

Pool. She drowned in like a. Maybe an above ground pool. And then they like found some of her stuff in the way she was scattered about.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Yeah.

[Ivy Wolk]

With JonBenet, it's like she was in one place. You know, they had some tact.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Yeah.

[Ivy Wolk]

Whoever did it, jury still out.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Tasteful.

[Ivy Wolk]

It was tasteful, yeah. Packed her in the basement. She was in a blanket. Just Tucker, you know, Kaylee strewn.

[Zoran Mamdani]

It was unfocused. You know, they needed a sort of. They needed a director to come in and say, you guys, what's the point of you?

[Ivy Wolk]

Ryan's going to be the one to sort of put all the pieces together post facto when Monster the Casey Anthony Story inevitably hits Netflix. And I play Kaylee, you play Kaylee, you play Kaylee.

[Zoran Mamdani]

And Kourtney Kardashian plays Casey.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yes, yes.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Oh my God. And she's going to do so.

[Ivy Wolk]

And we look just alike.

[Zoran Mamdani]

You look so well, you're going to look so alike when he's done with you.

[Ivy Wolk]

Right. Because he's going to put me in a full latex bodysuit to play with a mouth hole. 2 year old Kaylee Anthony, 23 inch waist, 40 inch hip, bust down, yaki bundles sewn into the scalp. Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, it's kind of scary that you're going to do so many above ground pool scenes considering you revealed you have trouble swimming.

[Ivy Wolk]

Oh, yeah. So I can swim. Right.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay.

[Ivy Wolk]

It doesn't look good. Oh, it kind of gets the job done.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Can you. But if you, if your legs can't stand on the ground, are you able to float?

[Ivy Wolk]

I can float. So the thing is, my swimming is more afloat.

[Zoran Mamdani]

It's more floating.

[Ivy Wolk]

So I can float, so I'll never drown.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, that's nice.

[Ivy Wolk]

So don't try it. Yours at home.

[Sam Taggart]

Don't try it.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Casey Anthony. I know you're listening.

[Ivy Wolk]

Under. I will pop. Back the fuck up. Okay. Yeah.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Can you go from point A to point B?

[Ivy Wolk]

Yeah, but I don't go under the water.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Head stays up. Head stays up. Well, that's sort of the best way.

[Ivy Wolk]

I can't figure out how to get like when people swim in movies and stuff or like even like at the pool.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ivy Wolk]

They're under. Right. So there's like the surface of the.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Water and they're under until they come out to breathe.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yes.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Yeah. I. You need your head to breathe.

[Ivy Wolk]

Butt cheeks always poking out.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay.

[Ivy Wolk]

Vagina is under.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Oh. So you're doing sort of a sexy Playboy photo shoot. Butt out. It's two mounds.

[Ivy Wolk]

Not the way I do it.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Sexy.

[Ivy Wolk]

I wouldn't say that's the way I do it.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Okay.

[Ivy Wolk]

Right. Because when these bangs peel back upon hitting water and getting wet and sticking to the back of the head sort of around here, it's not a good look for anybody. Everybody's throwing up their lunches. Okay.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay.

[Ivy Wolk]

I have to keep the shit on. Like, people on the Internet are always like, ivy, why do you have bangs? Like, it looks so crazy on you. Okay. Lesser of two evils.

[Zoran Mamdani]

You're saying you're. It's like your bangs are your secret weapon.

[Sam Taggart]

When did you commit to the bang?

[Ivy Wolk]

I have had bangs since I was, I think, four years old.

[Sam Taggart]

Four years old, wow.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

That's amazing. And did it change your life immediately?

[Ivy Wolk]

Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. I started getting, you know, a lot of people questioning my mother as to what my chromosomes were.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Because of the bangs.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yeah, definitely. I mean, I once did a show where.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Because they read as they them.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yeah, yeah. Or, you know, when I.

[Zoran Mamdani]

When I see a little baby. When I see a little baby with bangs, I say, sorry, is that baby genderqueer?

[Ivy Wolk]

No, exactly. Those are the allegations that have been thrust upon me since I was very young. Especially because I did grow up during roller derby. So I was already.

[Zoran Mamdani]

You grew up during roller derby?

[Ivy Wolk]

Doing. Doing roller derby. I did roller derby from the time I was 8 years old to 13.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Did the bangs come before or after the roller derby, honey?

[Ivy Wolk]

During.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, got her. Interesting.

[Ivy Wolk]

Well, it was before I had bangs before. They only got shorter during. And then post.

[Sam Taggart]

There was a roller derby league for children.

[Ivy Wolk]

Oh, yeah. I'm from Los Angeles, California, bitch. Oh, shit's different over there.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Sean Baker does his casting. He said, bring me people who were on a roller derby team when they were 8 years old.

[Ivy Wolk]

No, literally.

[Zoran Mamdani]

And I need them in my next film.

[Ivy Wolk]

No, literally. And what's really surprising about roller derby is that most of the girls that I grew up with doing roller derby are not lesbians today.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Well, yeah, that's. That's the la, right? It's like, if you're in la, you don't have to be a lesbian.

[Ivy Wolk]

No, exactly. And that's very dark and sad to me.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Not being a lesbian.

[Ivy Wolk]

Not being a lesbian is very hard and sad because here's the thing. It's like, I don't really have that many, like, straight up lesbians in my life. These Days, really, when I do link with a squad of lesbians, I. I leave there, like, literally feeling like I'm ready to grow my bush down in my ankles and, like. Like, Lilith Fair myself into, like, a field of weeds.

[George Severis]

It's.

[Ivy Wolk]

It's really empowering, like, hearing, like, a butch. A butch dyke be like, you know, I just love eating pussy no matter what way it's thrown at me. That's just like. That's so. It feels so transformative.

[Zoran Mamdani]

When you are around a group of lesbians, you just sort of remember that it is okay to be comfortable with yourself.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yes.

[Zoran Mamdani]

And then when you leave, you're like, this could. Honestly, I actually need to unlearn that, because who knows what.

[Ivy Wolk]

Who knows what the fuck I could do? Yes.

[Sam Taggart]

Like, if I put my shield back.

[Zoran Mamdani]

If I let myself go, like, we're talking, I could suddenly start, like, raising ferrets in the woods.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yes.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, it's scary.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yes.

[Sam Taggart]

That's really scary.

[Ivy Wolk]

You listen to a Judith Butler asshole, you're going to end up with, like, a cage of weasels in the back of your van, selling them on the side of the highway, being like, this is little Jimmy. Take him for a spin for me.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Yeah. The mutual aid is gonna be suffocating.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yeah.

[Zoran Mamdani]

It's gonna. You're gonna live in an environment of.

[Ivy Wolk]

I'm paying everybody's rent.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Complete abundance.

[Ivy Wolk]

I'm paying everybody.

[Zoran Mamdani]

You're in debt.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yeah.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Chase is calling you every day. They're saying, where is the money?

[Ivy Wolk]

And I said, I had to pay Tiffany's water bill.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Yeah.

[Ivy Wolk]

We fucked one time 10 years ago. I owe her for the rest of my life. She made me come with my legs up. That's what would happen if I was a lesbian. I would get into deep shit.

[Sam Taggart]

My landlord is, of course, a lesbian, as many know. And sometimes when I pay her rent, I'm like, it's crazy that you're, like, accepting this.

[Ivy Wolk]

Right.

[Zoran Mamdani]

If your landlord is a lesbian and you pay rent, that's mutual aid.

[Ivy Wolk]

Right. And also, maybe the landlordism undoes the lesbianism.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, yeah.

[Ivy Wolk]

She comes out, it renders her bi, maybe.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Totally.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Zoran Mamdani]

She's so.

[Ivy Wolk]

It renders her bi because she's a capitalist and a dyke. And so it just renders her.

[Sam Taggart]

I always just be like, don't worry about it this month. Like, I just want. I really expect that half the time.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

So far, not the case. Not the case.

[Ivy Wolk]

Well, that's because I feel like, I don't know, Gay guys will always be a cut above a lesbian in terms of like societally sure of power, you know?

[Zoran Mamdani]

Well, that's the other thing is that as a gay guy working in entertainment, you're in fact redistributing wealth by paying rent to a lesbian that owns an rv. And that's not some joke I'm making.

[Ivy Wolk]

She literally has she has an RV.

[Zoran Mamdani]

And it is regularly parked outside your home.

[Ivy Wolk]

That's so awesome. Does it ever block like the door, the passageway?

[Sam Taggart]

No. She's very respectful about not blocking the that's wonderful.

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[George Severis]

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[Ivy Wolk]

Warm up with a creamy caramel brulee latte, get festive with an iced gingerbread.

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[Ivy Wolk]

Speaking of lesbian, I'm taking off my supreme flannel right now.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Oh, my God. That's supreme.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yeah, it's very warm. You can feel the inside.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Oh, my gosh.

[Ivy Wolk]

The fleece is actually quite nice.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Oh, wow.

[Ivy Wolk]

I believe it must have come from a real animal.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Well, let's hope so.

[Sam Taggart]

I believe it.

[Zoran Mamdani]

I mean, the science they would have to invent to make that out of fake animal is.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, they have the science.

[Ivy Wolk]

You believe they have the science?

[Sam Taggart]

I believe they have the science. Scientists can do a lot of crazy stuff these days.

[Ivy Wolk]

That's actually very true in this house.

[Zoran Mamdani]

We believe science is real in this house.

[Ivy Wolk]

What does the rest of the sign say?

[Zoran Mamdani]

It's like in this house.

[Ivy Wolk]

Kamala is boots.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Kamala.

[Sam Taggart]

Kamala boots. Dick Cheney is bae.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Dick Cheney is bae. Bipartisanship never sinks is T. Bipartisanship is tea warby parka.

[Ivy Wolk]

Glasses are cunt. Skinny scarves are mama.

[Sam Taggart]

And J. Crew is having a sale.

[Ivy Wolk]

J. Crew is having a sale. My mother will never come out from underneath how much she racked up in J. Crew credit cards from my childhood. I had a J. Crew mug.

[Zoran Mamdani]

J. Crew is literally like a predatory lender, I would say, for suburban white moms.

[Ivy Wolk]

Oh, my God.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Literally, the crew you need to be on trial.

[Ivy Wolk]

Like, boost mobile is a cashmere sweater. Literally is a noose for a white.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Woman of a certain white. No. The cashmere sale's happening at J. Crew. I don't know how, but somehow they trick you into thinking it's cheap, but then you're, like, paying it on Klarna for 15 months.

[Ivy Wolk]

Well, it's. They make it out of fur from missing people. So, like, that meme that's like RB steak nuggets. Like, a whole, like, 25 piece steak nugget for $2.99. Like, that's missing people. We're not talking about how the.

[George Severis]

The fur.

[Ivy Wolk]

That's the hair of missing people.

[Sam Taggart]

When I worked at the Upper east side J. Crew and moms would come in, like.

[Ivy Wolk]

That'S heavy right there. Even that it was tough.

[Sam Taggart]

Like, they'd come in and buy a cashmere in every size just in case.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

And it was like a cashmere that grows.

[Zoran Mamdani]

No, for Upper east side moms, cashmere is kind of like when you go to buy groceries and you're like, I can't remember if we have red wine vinegar at home. I'll just get one.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yes.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Or like, I can't remember if we have whole grain must at home. I'll Just get one. Whatever. It's like $7.

[Ivy Wolk]

The mustard that you chew?

[Zoran Mamdani]

The mustard that you chew, of course. Yum, yum, yum. Chomp, chomp, chomp. And so there every day, they're going to the Jew crew, they're saying, whatever, I'll buy two. I'll buy a lavender well.

[Sam Taggart]

And you need one for the house on the east side and one for Montauk.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Montauk house.

[Ivy Wolk]

When I was in the lobby over there, I was overhearing a conversation between two women, one of whom said, yeah, I love the Hamptons. My in laws have a house there. So we're there all the time and you're there every weekend? Yes. And then the other woman went, yes, yes, I am. And I was just thinking, like, in Zoran's America, sorry, y' all gonna get shot point blank. Like, it's literally over for you. Okay.

[Zoran Mamdani]

No, there's gonna be strangling. There's gonna be strangling with the cashmere. With the cash.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yeah. Like, I'm taking your cashmere off of you, revealing your tits in your nice bra, your nice department store bra. And then I'm taking it and I'm choking you the out, and you're gonna collapse on television.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Television.

[Sam Taggart]

Television.

[Ivy Wolk]

ABC 7. Yeah.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Now this is, by the way, a network show. They're gonna hire you character actress and indie darling Ivy Wolf to assassinate wealthy white women.

[Ivy Wolk]

Ryan Murphy's gonna ep and he's doing hair.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Yeah.

[Ivy Wolk]

He's gonna make sure that the hair is.

[Sam Taggart]

Those women are gonna look amazing.

[Ivy Wolk]

Amazing. But then they will be dead.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, that's tough.

[Ivy Wolk]

Then they will be dead because they talk about the Hamptons. You know, outwardly in, you know, this new. In offices, in this new era of burka. No panties on. Sorry.

[George Severis]

What?

[Ivy Wolk]

I've been hearing so many people. Like, I literally was just yesterday, I was in Washington Heights and I heard, like, an older man on the phone saying over and over again, well, you know, it's a Muslim state. If he wins, it's a Muslim state. And it's like, oh, people actually believe, like, it's going to be girls in Bushwick, full burqa, no panties on, pushing the thong to the side at mood ring. Like, this is what people think is going to happen. It's like, no, we're just going to be able to have cheaper sandwiches.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Like you said, people are very confused.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yes, they're very confused. Yeah.

[Zoran Mamdani]

They're like, it's radical Islam, but it's also. They. Them.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yeah. And it's like, well, I mean, people have done it.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Well, of course, people we know have.

[Ivy Wolk]

People we hold near and dear.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Our dear.

[Ivy Wolk]

But I don't think institutionally it's going to be implemented.

[Zoran Mamdani]

No, I don't think so. I think people are going sort of Stefan Mode and they're like, burka's at the club. They them on wheelchairs.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yeah. New York's hottest club is the mosque. Actually, New York's hottest club is. Well, is there a hot club right now? What's hot right now? Because I've been seeing my trans girlfriends, like, on Twitter, being like, knock down center's corny, by the way.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Oh, well, completely okay.

[Ivy Wolk]

I think so.

[Sam Taggart]

I don't know.

[Zoran Mamdani]

People I know that went to the Amore show were like, this is not it.

[Ivy Wolk]

So what is fun to go to?

[Sam Taggart]

It's impossible. I mean, I. Luckily I have the. Out of, like, I haven't been here.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Underground raves.

[Ivy Wolk]

Underground raves. But how do you find a fucking underground rave? Where do you go to find an. I just.

[Zoran Mamdani]

You. You come on a gay podcast and you. And you say into an iHeart podcast, Mike, you say, where do I find an underground rave?

[Ivy Wolk]

Where do I find the underground raves?

[Zoran Mamdani]

And then they'll find you. Okay, comment below.

[Ivy Wolk]

Will I get, like, a dm?

[Zoran Mamdani]

You'll get many things from, like, a shaman, and they're gonna be sexist.

[Ivy Wolk]

Okay, that's fine. That's okay. That's okay. I ain't fine with that.

[Sam Taggart]

It's actually such a relief to know that, like, knockdown center is over. And, like, hopefully that means basement also. Because, like, I've actually.

[Ivy Wolk]

That's basement corny, too. I've never made.

[Zoran Mamdani]

No, basement is not. You think basement sucks.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yeah, but it's for the. But you're like, swag. And you have a tooth gem. So I feel like you would think that literally anything is corn.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Our producer has a tooth gem and they think basement sucks.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yeah.

[Zoran Mamdani]

You're bangs. Please comment below how that makes you feel.

[Ivy Wolk]

Your bang are being held back by a bobby pin like you're mad swag. So, like, I think that you would find anything corny and abhorrent.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Well, we are in a sort of awkward moment right now. And, I mean, the three of us in that, like, we're on camera, but our producer off camera looks cooler than us. And that can kind of throw off the dynamics in a big way.

[Sam Taggart]

That can throw you off.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yeah, that can throw you off for sure. Z is.

[Sam Taggart]

But I can see you're compensating by vaping.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Thank you for vaping. I just want to say thank you for vaping.

[Ivy Wolk]

Actually, like, I did mean to ask, can I do this in this small room? And I just did it anyway. Zoran's America.

[Sam Taggart]

America. That's cool.

[Ivy Wolk]

I train government. I vape plane. I vape on the bus. I vaped at my grandpa's funeral. I vaped at my friend's funeral. I take it everywhere. I'm real hardcore about this shit, you guys. If you want. If Zoran does anything for Vape, you know what he should do? Actually, at the city owned grocery stores where the groceries are cheaper, there should be vapes in the checkout line. This should be $10.

[Sam Taggart]

How much is it?

[Ivy Wolk]

30.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Whoa.

[Ivy Wolk]

I know, I know, I know.

[Sam Taggart]

Crazy.

[Ivy Wolk]

No, I know. They're ringing me out.

[Sam Taggart]

Don't they know you're an artist?

[Ivy Wolk]

No, literally, don't they know I'm an.

[Zoran Mamdani]

You're in an Academy Award winning film.

[Ivy Wolk]

Right. And so I should just pay? I should just pay, right? Is that what you're saying?

[Zoran Mamdani]

I don't like how industrial this looks. The vape you're holding, it's like so giant. It's black and silver. Like, what happened to cute little vapes that had, like a little ombre that went from yellow to blue?

[Sam Taggart]

It's Geek Bar.

[George Severis]

Geek Bar. What the hell?

[Sam Taggart]

That's tough.

[Ivy Wolk]

It's for nerds, bitch.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Oh, my God, it lights up. Whoa. That's crazy.

[Ivy Wolk]

The night sky. I'll show you the world.

[Zoran Mamdani]

They're dying in slow motion in front of us.

[Sam Taggart]

I think that should be $50.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Yeah.

[Ivy Wolk]

You think this should be $50?

[Sam Taggart]

I think they should.

[Zoran Mamdani]

And they should arrest you.

[Ivy Wolk]

Oh, I'm going to jail.

[Zoran Mamdani]

I think it should be $50. You pay, you don't get to keep the money. You're immediately arrested.

[Ivy Wolk]

Okay, well, I'm an abolitionist, so that.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Doesn'T matter when they're coming to arrest you. Do you think when a police officer comes and is like, you're under arrest, you can just respond? I'm actually an abolitionist.

[Ivy Wolk]

Actually, like, I have read excerpts of Angela Davis during 2020. So don't send me to jail. I know you're on some fuck shit.

[Sam Taggart]

I don't believe in this.

[Ivy Wolk]

No, literally, you'll take me to a.

[Sam Taggart]

Place I don't believe in?

[Ivy Wolk]

No, exactly. You can't take me to heaven. I'm going in the ground. If I don't believe in God, I'm not going to heaven. If I don't believe in prisons, I'm not going there either.

[Zoran Mamdani]

I would love to. World in which you are punished based on your own moral code. It's like they do a little brain scan and they're like, oh, got it. She's an abolitionist. I guess we'll do community oriented work with her.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, I guess she'll have to volunteer now and then.

[Ivy Wolk]

Oh, God, she's annoying. She's going to Bushwick for rest of her life.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Exactly.

[Sam Taggart]

Be careful what you wish for.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Yeah, Be careful. Yeah. She's going to basement. And you have to be at every show. No earplugs.

[Ivy Wolk]

Oh. By the booth.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, and you have to know who the dj.

[Zoran Mamdani]

You have to be in the dark room while all these gay men are fornicating around you.

[Ivy Wolk]

I would actually be really happy just.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Handing out juice boxes.

[Ivy Wolk]

I would be really happy. Would you actually?

[Zoran Mamdani]

Yeah.

[Ivy Wolk]

That's nice. I think gay sex is interesting.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Well, yes, compared to the alternative, for sure. But, you know, it is.

[Ivy Wolk]

The way it happens is just. It's curious to me. I had to. I recently had to just reveal to my straight male best friend, who is 30 years of age and had went his whole life not knowing that gay guys can have sex. Like, not from just behind.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Zoran Mamdani]

This is a common.

[Ivy Wolk]

He didn't know that gay guys can do missionary. I was like, just hoist. And this is a guy who's been pegged, by the way, in missionary. And he was like, no. But for gay guys, it's ergonomically different. No.

[Zoran Mamdani]

I'm sorry. This is crazy.

[Ivy Wolk]

I know.

[Sam Taggart]

No. That's the craziest thing I've ever heard.

[Ivy Wolk]

It's madness. It's madness. But Zoran will educate the youth. He's not young. He's 30.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Do you think Zoran has been pegged? I think no.

[Sam Taggart]

I think no.

[Ivy Wolk]

I think no, actually, I think no. Because when he smiles, I believe it.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Ivy Wolk]

And I think when a guy who's pegged. Most men I know that have been pegged kind of carry the weight of the world on their shoulders. Like, the strap really took something from them as it went in. It took something out, you know, with every thrust, it removed a little emblem of the soul. And so I don't think Zoran has been pegged. His wife is beautiful. I mean, we have the first E. Girl, first lady.

[Zoran Mamdani]

I know. It's kind of amazing.

[Ivy Wolk]

Huge for me.

[Zoran Mamdani]

It's amazing that our first ladies went from lesbian to nobody to art school girl.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yeah.

[Zoran Mamdani]

You kind of start to realize, like, okay, this is why the tradwife movement is growing.

[Ivy Wolk]

Right. Right.

[Zoran Mamdani]

This is what they're responding to.

[Ivy Wolk]

Right. They're resisting against the establishment.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Everyone is just craving Laura Bush. They're like, bring back Laura Bush.

[Sam Taggart]

We need something to rebel against.

[Zoran Mamdani]

We need.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

That's what it always is.

[Ivy Wolk]

Right? Right. Yeah. But I'm excited about the E Girl first lady.

[Sam Taggart]

Do you think they're gonna hit you up for a position of some kind.

[Ivy Wolk]

Or in the administration?

[Sam Taggart]

In the administration?

[Zoran Mamdani]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

In the cabinet.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Even though Transition team, potentially. Which is more.

[Ivy Wolk]

I'd be the czar. To good vibes and a fun time with friends.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Ooh.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yeah. I'm actually the Zoran Mamdani czar. To good times and having fun and smiles with friends.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay, cool.

[Ivy Wolk]

And everybody is like, oh, cool.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. I'm the czar of like, letting everyone know what they need to bring.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yeah. When people on Twitter are like, what would your position be in the communist revolution? Like, I think I would be like. Like the basket weaver. It's like you're gonna be in the rubble a million pieces of skin because you're gonna get blown to bits. That's what's gonna happen to you. When the revolution comes. Some of y' all are not gonna survive. Me personally, I know I'm not built for it. I have celiac disease. You know, if the revolution comes and I can't, you know, boil potatoes and eat them raw, like, it's just. It's just not.

[Zoran Mamdani]

No. You're gonna be going around a little sticker that says gf. Who's gonna accommodate that?

[Ivy Wolk]

Exactly. I can't eat canned beans when the revolution comes. I mean, I'm be shitting. They leave you behind if you. That's how war goes.

[Sam Taggart]

You get left behind.

[Ivy Wolk]

If you. If you have allegations on you.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Ivy Wolk]

During the revolution. Sorry.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Ivy Wolk]

They'd be like point blank in the forehead. You're under the ground.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Yeah. No, the millennial army is going to be like, I'm not beating the shit allegations I hear.

[Ivy Wolk]

Literally. Yes, yes. Like, so if revolution really does come, like, sorry, there will be no more front facing reels from me. You know, that's not a position in the militia.

[Sam Taggart]

Wow.

[Zoran Mamdani]

That I'm over.

[Ivy Wolk]

And I'm accepting that. I'm saying it on camera here. I'm addressing this. My camera.

[George Severis]

Yes.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Ivy Wolk]

You can kill me. It's okay. If the revolution comes, I won't withstand. And I know if a race war comes, it's over too.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Well, where would you fit in there?

[Ivy Wolk]

Where would I fit in the race war?

[Zoran Mamdani]

Yeah.

[Ivy Wolk]

Right. Because I do like to keep it ambiguous.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Well, I'm sort of like, if there.

[George Severis]

Was a Race war.

[Zoran Mamdani]

I would hope you wouldn't just, like, mindlessly be on the white side. No, you would be like, an ally.

[Ivy Wolk]

And I can't be on the Jew side either because of. You know how things are going there lately, right? You know, not for me.

[Zoran Mamdani]

That's not our story to tell.

[Ivy Wolk]

It's. No.

[Sam Taggart]

How many sides are in this race war?

[Ivy Wolk]

How many sides are in the race war? Honey, it's infinite, honey.

[Zoran Mamdani]

It's a very progressive power.

[Ivy Wolk]

Exists on a million axes. Honey. When the race war comes, we're delegating where we're finding our.

[Zoran Mamdani]

It's an intersectional race war. You know, there's actually so many factions that it's just one man. Each man for himself.

[Ivy Wolk]

No, Exactly. Because everybody. It's going to be state mandated. 23andMe. Before you enlist. Swab the cheek. Whatever your exact percentages are, that's who you're fighting for. Of course. Everybody's different. So it's just going to be ever. It's going to be bitches slap boxing each other all up and down the street. I'm not going to survive. That's not okay for me.

[Sam Taggart]

Don't you think you could use some of that charm and, you know, talk your way into surviving?

[Ivy Wolk]

Honey, to what end?

[Zoran Mamdani]

I know. Yeah. It's like, you win and then congratulations, it's just you and a bunch of Italians.

[Ivy Wolk]

Right? No. Right. Right. And then what? I'm getting raped all the time.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, my God.

[Ivy Wolk]

Sorry.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Oh, my God. I.

[Ivy Wolk]

To the Italian community. To the Italian American community.

[Zoran Mamdani]

I just want to apologize for everything that has been said in this episode.

[Ivy Wolk]

To the Italian American community. I'm sorry.

[Zoran Mamdani]

You can watch Ivy on English Teacher and Nora. If I had legs, I'd kick you.

[Ivy Wolk]

It's really bad for me to be on the mic.

[George Severis]

No, it's crazy.

[Sam Taggart]

No, it's interesting.

[Zoran Mamdani]

I'm seeing it happen in real time. I'm like, you can't control yourself.

[Sam Taggart]

So what's like. Can you tell me, like, sort of what's the deal?

[Zoran Mamdani]

Like, with what?

[Sam Taggart]

So, like, I want to know about, like, Internet backlash?

[Zoran Mamdani]

No, Sam, I want to know.

[Sam Taggart]

I want to know because you were, like, not beating the allegations when you were talking about being canceled or whatever.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yeah, I don't beat the allegations. So I just lean into the allegations.

[Sam Taggart]

So you lean in.

[Ivy Wolk]

I lean in.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay.

[Ivy Wolk]

It's fine to talk about Italians.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Of course.

[Ivy Wolk]

Wait, can we talk about still?

[Sam Taggart]

Of course.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Can we talk about how we met?

[Ivy Wolk]

How did we meet? Was it at Tweng's versus Dolls?

[Zoran Mamdani]

About that Audition. One of the craziest days of my life.

[Commercial Announcer]

Yeah.

[Ivy Wolk]

Wow. Yeah.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Have I told you this?

[Sam Taggart]

No.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Okay.

[Ivy Wolk]

So we were called into audition for an sketch group. Sponsored sketch group. He was not directing it. No, he was homeboy that he enlisted. And it was a sketch comedy group that was supposed to be leftist political sketch comedy.

[Zoran Mamdani]

It was supposed to be leftist political sketch comedy. And he was like, we're gonna like, fight the power via sketch comedy.

[Ivy Wolk]

Something that has the tank.

[Zoran Mamdani]

The tank. Something that has always worked in the past.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yes.

[Zoran Mamdani]

And. And our audition was that we had to do a rant, a political rant, but make it kind of entertaining. Whatever.

[Ivy Wolk]

And some people shed tears.

[Zoran Mamdani]

No, there were people. It was actually one of the people.

[Ivy Wolk]

Got incensed and irate and they did cry. They cried. Somebody talked about Governor Greg Abbott. The lady cried. You know, one girl did like a rant about the governor of Texas because I think maybe she was from Texas or something or had some affiliation with Texas. And by the end of it, the end of her five minutes when that timer went off, she's crying.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Well, it was one of the most. It was one of the darkest things I've ever witnessed. Because basically the prompt was commodify your pain in 90 seconds.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yes.

[Sam Taggart]

And it was specifically your. It was supposed to be like a personal, painful.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yes. A political or like global gripe that you have something that's like, weighing heavy on your spirit. Talk about it in like 90 seconds to five minutes. And of course, address it to camera. And of course a U shaped group of improvisers and comedians.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Yes. And it can be, obviously tying it to your lived experience or identity makes it more powerful because it's more personal. Like, mine was not tied to my experience in any way.

[Sam Taggart]

But you were like, Greek.

[Zoran Mamdani]

No, mine was used to be a biological. I actually remember what mine was. And by the way, spoiler alert, I.

[Ivy Wolk]

Was cast and I was not.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, I really want to know what yours was.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Well, that's what we're building to because it's iconic. So mine was.

[George Severis]

This felt fresh.

[Zoran Mamdani]

At the time I promised. This was like three years ago. Mine was about how I didn't like how everything in these times is called content. Like, I was like, by calling things content, you're sort of like using the language of advertising and it cheapens art, blah, blah. Obviously, you know, literally giant jerk off motion. But I knew it was gonna hit, you know what I mean?

[Ivy Wolk]

And it did.

[Zoran Mamdani]

So that was my rant everyone is talking about. People are talking about, you know, serious issues, gay rights Violence, gay rights, sexual assault, whatever.

[Ivy Wolk]

A white guy with long hair and like calf length socks started crying.

[Zoran Mamdani]

But Ivy, I want you to, because this was an astar is born moment for you. In my mind, like, I was like, I cannot believe this bitch got out of her seat, went to the center stage in this basement in, you know, the East Village.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yes.

[Zoran Mamdani]

And I want you to say what your rant was about.

[Ivy Wolk]

My rant was about my roommate accusing me of using her hair straight.

[Zoran Mamdani]

No one else had done like a bit like everyone else else, including me, was taking it seriously and sort of like making it their own.

[Ivy Wolk]

I got up there and I said, I know this is gonna sound meretricious and vapid to some of you, but my roommate recently accused me of using her hair straightener when she wasn't home and I need to talk about it. And so for five minutes I just talked about how much I hated her. And everybody was kind of like slack jawed, expecting me at one point to start being like, and the government's taking away my mother's food stamps. And I didn't say any such thing. I was just like, she's a bitch. She wishes she was born British, but she's not. And every day she like walks in the pain of that.

[Sam Taggart]

She wishes she was born British.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Yeah. No, it was like personal attacks against this roommate.

[Ivy Wolk]

Against my roommate from when I was. I was 18 years old at the time. No, I was 18 years old in that I had moved to New York the week before.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Wow.

[Ivy Wolk]

It was. I was one week in New York.

[Zoran Mamdani]

I just want to say congrats on getting that audition, chica.

[Ivy Wolk]

I know not a lot of 18.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Year olds were there.

[Ivy Wolk]

No, it was, it was, you know, elders. It was like. It was a lot of queer elders in that room. I would say. Yeah. And then I was like taking this subway back to Brooklyn after the audition with a bunch of people and I was like asking everybody, I was like, so what's your guys deals? And they were like, well, I'm 36, I run monthly at Bell House. And I was like, oh cool, I'm 18 and I was a child actor and now I'm in New York and I'm thinking about getting addicted to pills. So that was my story. And then I didn't get the job at all.

[Sam Taggart]

I'm glad you're saying all this because I, this whole time I have been sort of like, what's your backstory?

[Ivy Wolk]

What's my backstory?

[Zoran Mamdani]

You've been an actor since you were what, 13? 13.

[Ivy Wolk]

13 years old.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, like, what kind of stuff?

[Ivy Wolk]

What kind of stuff? I was on a sitcom run by a gay guy. Literally, gay guys are addicted to putting me in a sitcom.

[Zoran Mamdani]

What was it sitcom called?

[Ivy Wolk]

It was called Everything's Gonna Be okay. It was on Freeform, which was like a Disney subsidiary and doesn't really exist anymore. It was ABC Family where they did the, like, Christmas movie marathons.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember Freeform. They had not younger. What was the other one? Did they have the one about the women's magazine on Freeform?

[Ivy Wolk]

Yes, the bold type.

[Zoran Mamdani]

The bold type.

[Ivy Wolk]

The bold type.

[Zoran Mamdani]

A lot of people I know love the bold type.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yeah, people were gagging for the bold type. Megan Fahey from White Lotus.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Oh, my God. Love Megan Fahey. You know, we've met her once, but she's really nice.

[Ivy Wolk]

She's an amazing talent and a glimmering beautiful star. And her face is. She's so telegenic and gorgeous. But yeah, so I was on that show when I was 13. I made it one season. I got fired for what I was posting on the Internet. And then I was unemployed for the rest of high school until I turned 18.

[Zoran Mamdani]

The idea of being unemployed in high school is obviously one of the most iconic statements I've ever heard, because guess.

[Ivy Wolk]

What, I was also unemployed, struggling actor in high school, auditioning five times a week and not hearing anything. And most of what I was being sent were like Christian movies for most of high school. And so I would get like, in front of the camera, I'd be like, hi, Ivy Wilk, 5:2, Los Angeles. But David, God's on your side. And it was like that for years. The phones were not ringing. Nobody wanted me. I literally was so, like, I was so unworkable that I been fired from a job that I did have. Like, that was how much people did not want to associate.

[Sam Taggart]

Was there a specific post that got you fired?

[Ivy Wolk]

One of the. Well, Freeform was creating like a dossier of basically everything that I had done on the Internet that they were then, you know, presenting to higher ups of the network, being like, this is why we need to get this heifer out of here. One of the main things that really got me in a lot of trouble was I made a TikTok when I was like 14 or 15, where I was, I green screened myself dancing and like stomping on top of an image of a, like, graveyard of aborted babies outside of a church.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Well, that's just satire, right?

[Ivy Wolk]

It's commentary, honey. When the mouse is involved that's lost, you Know when, When. When mcard M Mouse is, you know, tapping his foot, waiting for his morning coffee, and he's scrolling through what the interns have brought him on his desk that day. Satire don't exist. All right?

[Zoran Mamdani]

It's literally like the goofy character from Disneyland comes to your house and knocks on the door and it's like, you're under arrest.

[Ivy Wolk]

Literally, you're under arrest. You're under arrest. We're taking you to Burbank and you're gonna die there. Like, that's what happens.

[Zoran Mamdani]

We're putting you on space baton and we're pressing on.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yeah.

[Zoran Mamdani]

And it's just gonna go round and round and round. No seatbelt. Space mountain. No seatbelt, bitch.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yeah. Forever and ever and ever. And once you. Once it reaches the bottom of the mountain, honey, you're going right back the other way. Yeah. So that's what happened to me. And so I was, like, unemployed, my. You know, from. I shot that show when I was 13, turning 14. And then from 14 years old until I was 18, almost 19, I did not work.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Yeah. And then, of course, this amazing opportunity came up that we both auditioned for, and you were like, this is my moment to get back in the game.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yeah. I was like, this is definitely what's gonna solidify my star.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

I didn't take this seriously.

[Ivy Wolk]

My star is waning. I'm aging. You know, as a woman in Hollywood, you age quicker. So it's like you could still play 16 on TV.

[Zoran Mamdani]

That's true.

[Ivy Wolk]

I just got an audition last week for Old Crone Dies of Leukemia. So, you know, it's like, I gotta.

[Sam Taggart]

That's your Oscar, though. That's your Oscar.

[Ivy Wolk]

I know.

[Zoran Mamdani]

So, okay. We usually don't do traditional interviews about career, but I'm like, loving this. Cause I wanna know. Then obviously, you became an indie darling. So how did that come about?

[Ivy Wolk]

Well, the first job. The first legit job that I got after my years of rest and relaxation was.

[Sam Taggart]

You were in school, correct?

[Ivy Wolk]

Yeah, I was in high school.

[Zoran Mamdani]

How did you do in high school?

[Ivy Wolk]

How did I do in school?

[Zoran Mamdani]

High.

[Ivy Wolk]

High school. I mean, I did, like, online high school. And all my friends were adults in the LA comedy scene who I was like, I was just, like, bouncing around comedy clubs. This was before I even started stand up. I was just like. I was doing, like, you know, I would, like, be 18, like, on stage at the Elysian in lingerie, drinking tequila and singing Ladies who Lunch. Like, like, literally, that was what I was doing when I was.

[Zoran Mamdani]

A question for you.

[Sam Taggart]

How old were You.

[Zoran Mamdani]

How old were you when the pandemic started?

[Ivy Wolk]

I was 15.

[George Severis]

Okay, so that was high.

[Zoran Mamdani]

So you were in high school during the pandemic, and that's why it was zoom High School. It wasn't that. It was a zoom High school.

[Ivy Wolk]

I was Zoom High School before that.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Because you were a performer?

[Ivy Wolk]

Because I was. I was on a TV show. I was going to a performing arts high school in Los Angeles, and the, like, five foot lesbian who ran the school hated my guts, told me I had a really bad work ethic and that's why I didn't get cast in the 10th grade production of Spring Awakening. She said, you have a terrible work ethic and you don't show up for anything.

[Zoran Mamdani]

You're like, I'm literally at Disney.

[Ivy Wolk]

No, literally. I was like, I'm literally. Sorry, can't talk. I'm on the lot right now. You know, whatever.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Yeah. She's like, you're not. Yeah. You're like, I've been up since 3am Care about my multiplication table.

[Ivy Wolk]

No, literally. So I get kicked out of the school, essentially. Like, they were like, either you quit acting and you stay at that high school, or we're gonna not sign your work permits anymore and it's gonna be illegal for you to have a job and go to school. So I was kind of in, like, a rock and a hard place, and I just resolved to do online high school. Then Covid hit was doing online high school, and then, like, the world sort of opens back up. I was like, 16 or 17. Got a fake ID. I got a fake ID at, like, 15 or 16. And then I was just to, like, go to the Elysian, and I was, like, going to, like, you know, Dynasty typewriter. And I was just showing up at these places and going to, like, backyard shows that I would find on Instagram. And I was just, like, making friends. People who are still my really close friends to this day. I was just, like, making friends with people that I would meet at shows. And then they started putting me on their shows before I did stand up. And I was doing, like, sketch and cabaret stuff.

[Sam Taggart]

And at what point did you reveal to them, like, hey, by the way, I'm actually 16. Um, like, I know you're 30 and that's like, your deal, but I'm actually 16. I've been 16 the whole time.

[Ivy Wolk]

It's hard to conceal that when, like, everybody.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Unless you have a zoom calculus test, like, tonight, like, I need to go first on this show.

[Sam Taggart]

I do this show. First of all, I'm 16, right it's.

[Ivy Wolk]

Hard to sort of conceal those things because like everybody has stories about like fucking and sucking and like doing cocaine and whatever. And I'm like.

[Zoran Mamdani]

And you're like on my free period, right?

[Ivy Wolk]

No, And I'm like, I'm like. So I live at, I actually live at home with my mother right now. You know, it was like stuff like that. But for some people I like was. I was 18, you know, and then on my ID, I was 23, I bought a fake ID that was like thick as cardstock from like a link that had pop ups for porn sites that I found on Reddit. And the photo on my fake ID was a still image, a screenshot of me in a self tape. And I put that on my self tape for a job, I guess what did not get because again, the phones weren't ringing and I had this fake ID and I would just show up to places and bar hop with like comics. And that was like the last two years of my high school life. Then I went to Emerson in Boston because I wasn't working. And I was like, okay, so now my life is just going to be. I'm a college student for the next four years. I was like, I'll be a babysitter in college. And then two months into being at school, I got like the lead in a pilot that. That will never see the light of day literally is under the floorboards at Amazon Prime Video.

[Zoran Mamdani]

That was the Mary Bronstein pilot.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yes. So that was where I met you.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Directed if I had Legs, I Kick you, which you're in now. Yes, and it's in theaters now. Go check it out.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yeah, so that was where I met Mary. But I did that pilot and that was like my first real job back. I had done jobs like tiny things as favors. There was a Netflix movie called the Bubble directed by Judd Apatow, and I played a YouTube video on a phone in that.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Sorry, I didn't mean to laugh. No, there's no small roles. There's no.

[Ivy Wolk]

I made $100 playing a YouTube video that plays on a phone.

[Zoran Mamdani]

And that seems like it's maybe skirting union rules in some way.

[Ivy Wolk]

Well, yeah, and much like, by the.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Way, that sketch group. But that's a different story.

[Ivy Wolk]

That's a different story. But. And then I did like when I first came to New York or to Boston for college, I. I was called to like do a sketch on the Adam Friedland show. Like when that. Yes, the Adam Friedland show. When that was like first starting when they were. Had just transitioned out of Cometown. And they were like trying to do video. And so I did a sketch on that where I played like a 14 year old girl who's like sucking Adam's fingers and whatever. And that was like.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Which was a real stretch for you because you were 15 and a half, right?

[Ivy Wolk]

Exactly. And that was like amazing and awesome. And that sort of got people in New York in comedy knowing who I was. People in LA in comedy knew who I was. And then now I was like, you know, I was in Boston. And then that helped kind of set the groundwork for me in New York because people recognize me from that. But then I was in college and I did that pilot, did the Adam Friedland show, whatever. Like, again, I was just like, my life is gonna be. I graduate with a BA and I'm gonna figure out what happens next. And then after that pilot happened, Honora happened. I auditioned for Anora a month after I shot that pilot, and then a month later we were shooting it. And then I dropped out of college. And then I've just been working ever since.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Wow.

[Sam Taggart]

Wow.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yeah.

[Zoran Mamdani]

And that movie won an Oscar.

[Ivy Wolk]

I know. And I knew it was gonna happen. That's the thing is I literally. I knew we were gonna go to Cannes. I knew, I knew all of this stuff. Everybody was acting mad humble. Like, Sean and Mikey Madison are both like hella shy, like, dorks. And they were just like, like, I remember telling Mikey one day when we were. We were in Vegas, like, that was the last, like, unit of the film that we shot was all the Vegas sequences. And we were getting our hair done at like 11pm, like about to go shoot like one of our last scenes. And I like looked at her. The hair tinsel was like being sewn under her hair. And I looked at her and I was like, do you realize that, like, your entire life is going to change after this movie comes out? And she was like, this has been a really wonderful experience and like, I'm very happy to be here and I love working on this movie, but I'm pretty sure that, like, you know, know, my life is just gonna be like, pretty normal after this and I'm just gonna, like, be chill and just all have to find another job eventually. And I was.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Great impression, by the way.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yeah. And I was like, no, Michaela, like, everything from here on out is gonna be so fucking different. I just knew these things because I think from all of my time being like, technically in the entertainment industry, but like, not working, most of my friends, like before, they were adults trying to make it in entertainment were, like, kids I grew up with in LA who had been child actors who were much more successful than me. Right. And so I just got Finn Wolfhard, like, the Apatow daughters. Like, I just got, like, a sort of sense for how these things went because I was on the outside of it, and it was like I was at the same, you know, parties and functions of these people, but, like, I had nothing to show for it. And they were like, you know, being flown out to France to, like, sit in the front row at the YSL fashion show, you know, and it was like, I just. I was like, well, I work. I worked at a pizza parlor at the Grove, you know, in high school. And so I was like.

[Zoran Mamdani]

So you weren't unemployed?

[Sam Taggart]

So you were working?

[Ivy Wolk]

I was working, but not in the way that I wanted to work. I was Hollywood unemployed, which is really what I mean, because I don't have.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Which is when you're in high school and have a job.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yes, exactly.

[Sam Taggart]

This is so interesting.

[Zoran Mamdani]

I know.

[George Severis]

I'm obsessed.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, it's like, I never meet people.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Who are like, Jared. Jared was a child star.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Like, growing up in LA is such a weird experience. And.

[Ivy Wolk]

Oh, it's haunted. It's no way to have a family.

[Sam Taggart]

It's crazy. Like, when I was growing, when I was 15, I didn't know actors were, like, real people. Like, I was like, they live in, like, the sky. Like, I was like, you can't, as a person be that.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yeah. I mean, I was 15, and I was like, okay, like, let's break down beat for beat. This, like, Wendy McClendon Covey performance. Like, that was the type of shit that I was doing, you know, and so I was just obsessed with it. And I had, like, a real. I read Deadline every day. I mean, had, like, a very.

[Zoran Mamdani]

You need psychoanalysis.

[Ivy Wolk]

I know. I'm really sick. I'm a really, really sick person. I have in a massive, massive star tattooed on my back, between my shoulder blades. Hollywood forever in cursive, like, with a star encasing it. Like, I'm really. I'm a very sick person.

[Zoran Mamdani]

So. Yeah, and you're sort of fetishizing. I'm seeing you have a Courtney Love tattoo. You're sort of fetishizing the kind of, like, messy starlet.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yes.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Like, dripping eyeliner on the red carpet.

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[Zoran Mamdani]

Because then they yell action and she fucking kills me. Yes.

[Ivy Wolk]

And I lock the fuck in. But the thing about me is, like, I. I was not only, like, you know, up against sort of corporate Hollywood Powers who didn't like what I was saying, because, like, comedy has always, like, really come first for me. And, like, Internet expression has always really come first for me. So I was up against that. But even before that, I was famous on the Internet from the time I was, like, 12 or 13. And so I've been famous on the Internet for, like, a decade now. And I even then was, like, faced with, like, a lot of detractors and cancel campaigns and all these things. And so I just always had this. This understanding of. This, like, preternatural understanding of, like, reputation, private life, career, and the confluence of the three things. And, like, that's really, like, my sort of autistic special interest. And, like, it's all I read about. And it's like, I have posters and archival, you know, magazines and all these things all around my house of, like, these types of women who are, like, really maligned in Hollywood and in the public opinion because it was thrust upon me at such a young age. And I had. Have been experiencing that for a really long time. And now I kind of just lean into it. Like, I don't think any of the attempts to fire me or cancel me or anything made me paranoid or fearful at all, because the women that are in my personal canon of greatness are women who have faced those exact circumstances decades before it happened to me. And so if those are the people whose art.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Like Meghan McCain.

[Ivy Wolk]

Right. Meghan McCain, Meghan Trainor, Meghan Salter, Meghan Malali.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Yeah, mostly just all the Megans.

[Sam Taggart]

All the Megans.

[Ivy Wolk]

And I'm changing my name to Megan.

[Sam Taggart]

In the next few years.

[Zoran Mamdani]

You should. Megan is a really great name for you.

[Ivy Wolk]

But those were all the women that were the most interesting to me from the time I was a child whose star images I was always so attracted to. And when it became me, it was really painful and difficult at first, but now sort of, it's a thing where it's like I. I, in a way, have become the kind of people that I have studied and obsessed over and, like, diva worshiped for so many years. And that is a really strange position to be in. But I can sort of take my interiority and my feelings out of it and look at myself and my career and my public reception and my image from the same lens that I would view it for other women. And so I can kind of make myself the diva that I worship in a way.

[George Severis]

Sure.

[Sam Taggart]

It's like an art project.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yes, exactly.

[Sam Taggart]

It's so interesting. You've done something very interesting where the beginning Of. This was so absurd. We're being crazy. We're being crazy.

[Zoran Mamdani]

No, you locked in.

[Sam Taggart]

And then when we were like, okay, now we're actually gonna ask you a real question about your background. You went, so actress.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Zoran Mamdani]

You're 70 hours on WTF.

[Sam Taggart]

It was like, really? Like, I'm like. I feel like I'm Zane Lowe all of a sudden. Like, it's.

[Ivy Wolk]

Well, you're not sucking my cock under the table, so you're not saying low.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, she's back.

[Ivy Wolk]

Zane Lowe. Zane Lowe would. If you put the worst album of all time in front of Zane Lowe, he's gonna have tears cresting in his eyes going, it's gorgeous.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. No, we need some ethics.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Deal.

[Ivy Wolk]

Oh, my God. I know. He likes Life of a Showgirl. I know. I know. He loved Life of a Showgirl.

[Zoran Mamdani]

He is literally. It's like you can see the devil horns peeking out of his skull.

[Ivy Wolk]

Crazy. Well, I mean, celebrity journalism is like, a really lost art nowadays because it's all fans in front of the celebrity. I mean, granted for. It's like, would I want Barbara Walters and Diane Sawyer making the girls cry? No, I just want.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Kelly's a middle ground.

[George Severis]

There's a middle ground.

[Ivy Wolk]

There's a middle ground.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Barbara Walters and Diane Sawyer are both hacks, and I want to. I want that on record.

[Ivy Wolk]

They're Nancy Grace. It's a Nancy every time I'm supposed.

[Zoran Mamdani]

To celebrate Barbara Walters and Diane Sawyer. Are you fucking kidding me?

[Ivy Wolk]

They're Nancy Grace iterations. It's just the same thing. Just blonde, cunted, side part high bang sprayed to the high heavens.

[Zoran Mamdani]

And to what end?

[Ivy Wolk]

Where, you know, literally. No, to what end? But, like, you know, celebrity journalism used to be that. I mean, I feel like, you know, sans allegations, it's like, Charlie Rose had a nice thing, you know, or like the black boy. Charlie Rose was asking good questions.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Yes.

[Ivy Wolk]

Larry King was asking good questions.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Occasionally, I'm trying to think, like, who is legitimately good? Because it is one of those things that like. Like, who's a good broadcast interviewer? Because I do think there were actually good journalists, like, if you read an old, like, New Yorker profile.

[Ivy Wolk]

But on camera journalism, I mean, it's a hard thing to. It's a hard thing to capture. I've been interviewed many times for many different publications by many different people. Usually the questions that they ask me are. So I saw a tweet this morning on my commute here saying that you're fat and nasty here to comment. And I'm like. Like, I'm 18. Like, sorry. Like, when I was, like, much younger, it was like, people being like. So, like, I actually saw a blog post today that said that you are racist and should be hunted with pitchforks. I kind of agree. But I want you to tell me why you should live.

[Zoran Mamdani]

And after that, we'll do the bees in the trap.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yes, exactly. And after that, it's when I wake, like, literally. Literally. It's like, where's the fucking middle ground? Because the people that are supposed to be on camera interviewing celebrities are like, either. It's like, with an air of irony, like, I think of, like, you know, Adam with the Adam Friedland Show. It's like, that's a satire of, like, Johnny Carson or Jack Parr, like, all those old shows. But he's doing it from the lens of, like, it's ironic. It's a joke. You know, I'm gonna fuck with these people. So either it's trolling or it's like making Billie Eilish eat hot chips until she spits in a bucket.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Well, this is the other thing. It's like, how many more celebrities are gonna lip sync Real Housewives scenes until we're satis.

[Ivy Wolk]

Vertical Video has done something nasty to go.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, it's our fault. We have to stop clicking.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Yeah, no, we have to stop clicking and producing. And this is another story, by the way. What are they in the Conde Nast basement where they do. It's literally just a line of celebrities. Their hands are tied in front of them and they're saying, glenn Close, get in that chair. We're gonna pie you.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yes. No, literally.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Who has the cherry pie?

[Ivy Wolk]

But also, legacy media is dying and all these things are being consolidated. I mean, even just as of this week, Teen Vogue is being like, all those writers with laid off. Teen Vogue is being consolidated into just normal Vogue at Conde Nast. It's like, so all these outlets that maybe did things that were a little more interesting or culturally frictive or skewed younger, but not in a way that talk down to young people are just getting sucked up into the ether. And then soon everything will be like one channel that just does TikToks. There's no more profiles. There's no more TV interviews. It's just going to be one TikTok network that all of these, like, like five. Five, you know, millennial reporters outsourced to. And they're just going to be asking Malala, like, hey, Malala, like, do you want to hit this J with me? And, like, flick up Diva? And that's What's. That's journalism, Malala.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Let's do the flick up diva challenge.

[Ivy Wolk]

No, literally, Malala, can you like pull your panties to the side and twerk on camera for me to this trending entire.

[Zoran Mamdani]

And that entire multi channel, multichannel conglomerate is run by Alex Cooper of color.

[Ivy Wolk]

Exact. Dude. Exactly.

[Sam Taggart]

Love that you keep doing pull your panties.

[Ivy Wolk]

It's my favorite thing in the whole world. Pull your panties inside is my favorite. It's the funniest thing. It's the funniest thing to ask somebody to do. Not take them off, pull them to the side. Not take them off, pull them to the side. Cause it's half hearted. What's so funny to me is that it's like I'm not gonna ask you to like, you know, get em around your shoes, your ankles. You can still wear your shoes.

[Sam Taggart]

No one will see it.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Just fall into the slide.

[Ivy Wolk]

My hands don't have to fully come off. Just pull em to the side.

[George Severis]

Literally.

[Zoran Mamdani]

The entire Conde Nast video thing is leading to. To academy award winning actresses doing the pull your panties to the side challenge. Like it's literally gonna be. It's literally gonna be J.

[Ivy Wolk]

Law pulling her panties to the side. Being like, I hate my old Persona. Here's my pussy just to the side. I'm eating pizza. But I used to eat too much pizza. I'm not tripping and falling anymore. I'm not adorkable. Adorkable's over. But here's my pussy now I'm eating pizza.

[Sam Taggart]

Normal amount.

[Zoran Mamdani]

And by the way, I had to access a lot of trauma for this role.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yes. No. She's like, she's like on this press tour for this movie.

[Zoran Mamdani]

So Jennifer Lawrence, die my love Lynn Ramsey shadow.

[Ivy Wolk]

Great. Lynn Ramsey, the excellent Lynn Ramsey. Who's somebody that literally you would love.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Morvern Keller. Is that like one of your.

[Ivy Wolk]

My first daughter will be named Morvan. I'm not even kidding. I will name my first daughter after a movie wherein a girl steals her suicide boyfriend's manuscript and then just sort of goes clubbing goes around. It's one of those movies where somebody just goes around.

[Zoran Mamdani]

It's amazing.

[Ivy Wolk]

Love that. Love a movie that's like almost a picaresque, but she's not really traveling.

[Zoran Mamdani]

You should be more vernacular for Halloween. That'd be a great costume for just me.

[Ivy Wolk]

A ponytail. Y ponytail. Everybody's like, who are you? I'm like, I'm Morvern Kaller.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Yeah, I'm just kind of like sort of on drugs and by myself this.

[Ivy Wolk]

Halloween I went as Bess from Breaking the Waves and everybody was like, who? Are you sure? I was like, I'm Bess from Lars Von True is Breaking the Waves and they're like, are you speaking Vietnamese right now? Like, no, it's all English actually. It's hard out here for a pimp, I'll say.

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[Sam Taggart]

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[George Severis]

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[Ivy Wolk]

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[Zoran Mamdani]

Do we want to even like we've.

[Sam Taggart]

Got to do something.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Yeah, so you're catching us At a sort of a weird time. Because Sam and I, if you don't mind me saying this, we're sort of being like, how much do we want to keep doing all our segments and how much do we want to keep.

[Ivy Wolk]

How many segments do I do?

[Zoran Mamdani]

Just like one segment and then a straight topic. But like, we've been enjoying so much, like gabbing with people and it feels like we're cutting the momentum when we're like. And now our first segment.

[Ivy Wolk]

Right.

[Zoran Mamdani]

And so we're kind of like, well.

[Ivy Wolk]

You'Ll probably have to cut out so much of this.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Let's Do I have straight shoot?

[Sam Taggart]

Me too.

[Ivy Wolk]

This episode will be 30 minutes either way. Since you'll have to cut out my whole thing where I called Italians rapists and like, just all of that.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Oh, no, that's the real. That's going viral on TikTok, sweetheart.

[Sam Taggart]

We're doing our first segment. It's called Straight Shooters. And in this segment we're going to ask you a series of rapid fire questions. It's basically this thing or this other thing. The only rule is you can't ask a single follow up question or we will scream at you.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Okay, ready?

[Sam Taggart]

We'll make it so you're unemployed for the rest of your life.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Being radicalized online or being authorized to commit a crime.

[Ivy Wolk]

Authorized to commit a crime.

[Sam Taggart]

The secret life of Walter Mitty or the secret lives of Mormon Wives.

[Ivy Wolk]

Secret lives of Mormon Wives.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Sending a meme on slack or loving the team at Hat?

[Ivy Wolk]

Loving the team at Hacks?

[Sam Taggart]

Cast me a New York state of mind or a true dork on Love is blind.

[Ivy Wolk]

A New York state of mind.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Libbing out or getting gout?

[Ivy Wolk]

Living out. I got cat eye glasses. Living out.

[Sam Taggart]

RIP Dick Cheney or pee on me, Miss Janney. That's Allison Janney.

[Ivy Wolk]

Pee on me, Miss Janney. She's in the canon we were talking about. Allison's in the top five.

[Zoran Mamdani]

We need to.

[George Severis]

Yeah, okay.

[Zoran Mamdani]

I want to swing from the chandelier and to.

[Ivy Wolk]

We're going Gina Hall. Sorry.

[George Severis]

Yes.

[Zoran Mamdani]

I want to swing from the chandelier or I have a thing for that engineer.

[Ivy Wolk]

Swing from the chandelier.

[Sam Taggart]

Meeting on Tinder or screaming, you sinner, you sinner.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Wow.

[Sam Taggart]

Beautiful word.

[Zoran Mamdani]

We rank our guest performance on a scale of 0 to 1000 doves. That is named after the Lady Gaga song 1000 Doves from the album Chromatica. And I am going to say that Ivy gets 8. 69.

[Sam Taggart]

I think that's correct.

[Ivy Wolk]

That's high.

[Zoran Mamdani]

That's really high.

[Ivy Wolk]

That's like A B, right?

[Zoran Mamdani]

That's like A plus.

[Ivy Wolk]

Oh yeah, I'll take it.

[Sam Taggart]

You answered with a lot of confidence and speed. You recognized that it was a fast segment and you said let's move on.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Yeah. You were like, let's go.

[Ivy Wolk]

I did have a few asides and for that I'm sorry, but.

[Zoran Mamdani]

No, no, no, you did a really good job. Okay, well, we have approximately 35 seconds. So what is your straight topic and what's straight about it?

[Ivy Wolk]

My straight topic is being straight but acting hella d. So that's my straight topic.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Say more.

[George Severis]

Say more.

[Sam Taggart]

You mean like being mysterious?

[Ivy Wolk]

It's when guys act mad coy when it comes to pussy, dude. Like we're not, you know, fucking each other in the butt in the Ramble in 1980. Like, come on, let's get serious. Like when straight, when straight guys do a sneaky link type of thing. When straight guys like pocket pussy or like hide a bitch.

[Zoran Mamdani]

It's so part of why people are mad at you because you speak like this sometimes.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yeah, sure. Okay. I guess so. Yeah, sure.

[Sam Taggart]

Hello.

[Ivy Wolk]

You know when straight guys do. When straight guys act like DL gay guys.

[Sam Taggart]

Sure.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Like about women.

[Sam Taggart]

Hiding their relationships with women.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yes. Keeping them secret because it's like you have what are. Who's going to, who's going to kill you, who's going to hurt you, who's going to penalize you, who will criminalize you for just popping out with a dare. Dare to pop out with a female. You know, it's like when guys act like I can't let my. Like when guys are. Are like I can't let my wife know I'm gay.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Yeah.

[Ivy Wolk]

It's like, well, you're not gay and you don't have a wife. This is. We met on hinge, you know.

[Zoran Mamdani]

You're saying that I would say it's like the, the famous habits of non committal men. Just like this lack of commitment.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yes.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Actually has the same panache. Panache. As being DL gay. This is genius. Like, it really is true. It's like guys, guys that either don't want to commit or are sort of like soft half lying to three women. Not fully lying. They're not cheating, but they're kind of like concealing. Concealing and not being fully honest. That is the same behavior as someone who is like has a wife and is going and getting absolutely fucked.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yes. Yes.

[Sam Taggart]

Is there anything sort of erotic and hot about being kept a secret?

[Ivy Wolk]

Like, not to me. Not to me. And you know why? Because it's happened to me Literally, in almost every relationship I've ever, probably because I talk the way that I do. And I'm also, like, low key famous. And so it's like popping out with me at your friend's birthday party, it's like bringing Chuck E. Cheese to Kiev. It's crazy. So it's just like. Like, why is the cartoon in the scary place? You know?

[Zoran Mamdani]

So you're saying, but do you not think that they also are, like, kind of gagged that they're bringing the cartoon to the screen?

[Sam Taggart]

You need a straight guy who has only gay guys friends.

[Zoran Mamdani]

You need a straight guy that's standing you in a sort of Lady Gaga way and is like, this is Ivy woke from menorah.

[Ivy Wolk]

The dynamics in all of my relationships with men and the one woman that I had a relationship with were basically, they idolized me. And it was like. It was diva worship. But in a way that brought them great shame, because then they realized they would never be able to match my star.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Okay, here's what it is. It's diva worship. But the diva is Nicki Minaj. So they're, like, sort of embarrassed.

[Ivy Wolk]

It's loaded.

[Zoran Mamdani]

They're sort of like, obviously, I'm a barb. Like, I love Nicki Minaj, but, yes. I don't agree with, like, what you just said on Twitter about.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yes. No.

[Zoran Mamdani]

And the baggage of that is actually, like, stopping me from just going to this house party.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yes. No, exactly. It's diva worship that sort of brings shame upon your family.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Problematic.

[Ivy Wolk]

It's problematic. Diva worship. It's like, if Joy Behar is your queen, you know, and it's kind of like everybody's like, why is Joy Behar your queen?

[Zoran Mamdani]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ivy Wolk]

And you have to be like, I like fucking her. You know?

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, yeah. That's so.

[Ivy Wolk]

That's kind of the classic dynamic that I'm in.

[George Severis]

And it's just.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Just.

[Ivy Wolk]

It's so. It's so trite and boring.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, I have to ask, like.

[Ivy Wolk]

And it's stealing gay guy nachos in valor. Because it's like, gay guys should be the only ones. I mean, I don't think gay guys should be DL, because I think gay guys should be gay. That's maybe really brave of me to say, but I think gay guys should be allowed to be gay.

[Sam Taggart]

I think they should be able to choose.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Sam likes it when they're DL.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, yeah, let's open that door. Well, when you go, no, let's close it. Oh, okay. So you get to go to, like, Minnesota, and then you open an App and everyone is like, hidden in secret. I'm like, now there's some missing mystery.

[Ivy Wolk]

Right. But I don't like mystery. I'm a straight shooter. Y' all hear me like this, like this segment. Y' all hear me talking today? It's like, I can't, you know, I can't conceal. I can't be concealatory or I can't feign a casualness in any way.

[Zoran Mamdani]

I think the difference between being embarrassed as a straight guy about your girlfriend and being embarrassed about being gay is.

[George Severis]

Like a DL gay guy has self hatred.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yes.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Whereas a sort of fuckboy that's embarrassed of you is a misogynist. Is a misogynist, like, is specifically actually angry that you have personality.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yes.

[Zoran Mamdani]

So that's different. So it is much harder for you to fetishize that and be like, damn, I love that this guy is embarrassed of me. Whereas for Sam, it's like, damn, I love that this guy is like being dirty right now.

[Ivy Wolk]

Right.

[Sam Taggart]

He's being bad.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yeah. There's nothing really. There's really no way to romanticize or fetishize or skew concealing a woman who has too much personality in a horny way.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay. Is it more likely that like, the fucked up bad boy wants to keep you secret or like the really normie boy who's like, sweet?

[Ivy Wolk]

It's usually like, I feel like classically, I've been with people who think that they have a reputation to uphold more than they actually do. Like, the guy that I lost my virginity. The guy that I lost my virginity to was literally straight up acting like he was only a few years older than me. Like it was hardly an age gap in the gay community. It would be like we were the same age, you know, but straight people sort of view things on different. Of course, you know, they grade things on a different rubric. But, you know, he. He had nothing. He had. He was an after school program tutor and he had like family money and he was like, he had not. He had no, you know, esteem to uphold or maintain. And he was straight up looking at me being like, if this gets out, I'm cooked. And it's like, cooked where? At Kumon where you volunteer three times.

[Sam Taggart]

A week docs his ass.

[Ivy Wolk]

Like, he didn't actually work at Kumon. It was a. It was a Kumon analog. But you know, it's like, shit.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Like, he didn't even work at Kumon probably proper.

[Ivy Wolk]

No, he taught art Kuman's for math. But you know, I'm. I'm cutting around it But I guess now I'm not anyway, so it's like, you know, you have nothing. There's no pressure on you. Nobody's, like, breathing down your neck to.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, this is something that straight guys don't deal with often. Like, I feel like gay guys, it's.

[Ivy Wolk]

Very novel for them, so they're frightened.

[Sam Taggart]

Immediately and, like, you've, you know, dealt with reputation shatter and, like, understanding how people perceive you in a different way.

[Zoran Mamdani]

It's true.

[Ivy Wolk]

Guys don't really.

[Sam Taggart]

They don't ever deal with that because.

[Ivy Wolk]

Straight guys usually are perceived. Like, I've been thinking a lot about how straight men have so much more latitude in terms of what they can say and do. Like, the fact that. And God love him, love this man, but the fact that Starver's Helkias is now being heralded as, like, the face of the new Left and, like, who's going to save culture and leftist politics. And I, somebody who has said not even as bad as things that he said or chuckled at in his day and have only been in this industry for a fraction of the amount of years that he has, am still being called, literally, Hitler every day on the Internet. Sorry, that's crazy. But that's because he is being consumed by other heterosexual men who are a lot more forgiving. Women and queer people hold each other to the most inflexible, restrictive standards. That makes it impossible for us to really be in community with each other or make art with and about each other, because we are so confined to each other's expectations of, like, the world that we wish we could see.

[Zoran Mamdani]

And, well, we've internalized the Panopticon. We're just like, constantly. We are basically, we all have multiple personality disorder, and each personality is a different person that a different Reddit commenter. We are the comment. There is the. You have to kill the comment section within.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yes, exactly. And I have. And it's like, people act like I'm fucking Amelia Earhart getting on the plane. Like, girl, don't do it. And it's like, I'm actually just living my truth. If I drown, that's fine. You know, I have had a lot of men, like, older than me in comedy tell me, like, you know, when I was your age, I used to post stuff like that, and now I don't do it. And it's like, well, all those tweets of yours are still up and nobody's, you know, batting an eyelash about it. Nobody's mad at you. So I don't know, like, why you're telling me I shouldn't be doing it anymore. It's like I, you know, I've reaped the consequences more than you have. And actually I've chosen to be fine. I've chosen to overcome the hurdle of public scrutiny and just lean into who I actually am and the right people will think, find it. But yeah, I mean, I remember when I first started comedy, this is sort of an aside, but it's, it's related. When I first started comedy, I had a lot of men older than me telling me things like, you know, like, here's like a tip for something that you should do, right? Try to make the audience like get on your side and be comfortable with you right away. So like don't go into like your more sort of edgy or like crass material right up, up top. Just like say something that will comfort the audience, self deprecating, whatever, so that they're on your side. And it's like, hey, for a man, that's a novel idea. The idea of having to walk into a room and being like, how do I make people comfortable so that they listen to me. That for a. Men were revealing this to me like they had just taken the fucking sword out of the stone. You know, they were like, I found it like that's what being a woman is every single day. And they were telling, coming up to me, telling me that like that's what I should be adopting, as if it was some like novel new experience or way to frame things. And it's like that's what women are taught every single day because we have so much less latitude for what we can get away with. Men are so new to these ideas of like shame or like having to make people comfortable or whatever that to them it just blows their mind. And it's like I have experienced, you know, scorn and fear and hatred and all these things. And it's like in my work and in my life I am actually trying to like do the diametric opposite and like make people uncomfortable. It's not on. I don't try to alienate people or make people uncomfortable, but it's like sometimes, sure. But also I think that's like interesting because I think women have never really been able to get away with that. And the most interesting women are people who are still here and still in the zeitgeist, even if they behaved that way. And so why can't I also do that? But men then, you know, our straight men are new to these ideas of like shame and scorn and feeling eyes on the backs of their heads. And it's like, that's what moving through the world as a woman is every single day. And so I don't want to adhere to any of that. And so when straight guys act like hella DL, it's like, what do you have to fear? What do you have to fear? What do you have to fear that women have not been fearing for centuries? Since a pussy formed on, like, you know, the Neanderthal. Since a cunt hole opened on a Neanderthal, women have had fear and eyes, you know? And you guys are just fucking new to this. And it's like, I'm true to this.

[Sam Taggart]

I hope the reveal is that, like, 10 years from now, every guy you've ever dated comes out of the closet, and they just worried you.

[Ivy Wolk]

Well, here's the thing. Here's what's really upsetting, right?

[Sam Taggart]

Okay.

[Ivy Wolk]

I went on a date that I thought was an amazing date earlier this year with a guy who revealed to me that he had had sex with more men than he had women. And. And then he rejected me. And so I sort of, you know, rationalized it by being like, well, he's gay and he's finding his truth. Well, now he's got a girlfriend, so he wasn't gay. I just have a really bad personality.

[Sam Taggart]

That's.

[Zoran Mamdani]

That's not true.

[Ivy Wolk]

I'm just. I'm abrasive, you know, to a certain kind of subsect of men who present as straight, you know, to his credit, Present as straight and move through the public life as straight. I have maybe an abrasive personality that they perceive as something that could, like, shatter the veneer or, like, take it all down.

[Sam Taggart]

Maybe if he were just a little gayer, it would have worked, because then he would have. No, if he were. Because he would have stanned you.

[Ivy Wolk]

Right, exactly. But he was just. It was just right down the middle in a way where his bisexuality sort of erred on the side of shameful of Ivy wolf, whereas it should. The bisexuality should err on the side of diva worship. Kissing my feet, bringing me a hot towel so I can do my jokes, you know?

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. Wow.

[Ivy Wolk]

And that's a tricky balance to.

[Sam Taggart]

Very tricky balance.

[Ivy Wolk]

It's a tricky balance. Yeah. And so that's basically the tldr of everything. That whole polemic that I just went on, that was just the most verbose anybody's ever been on your show. I'm sure. But, yeah, you give me a hot mic. It's really dangerous.

[Sam Taggart]

No, this is.

[Ivy Wolk]

I'm completely Unclippable. The reason that I don't post, like, the reason that I don't post stand up clips is because all of my jokes are three minutes long. There's no way to edit around it. To me, everything is.

[Sam Taggart]

I wish I had an ounce of that. Everything I said say is like 10 seconds. 10 seconds, 10 seconds. I'm like blown away by the gravity.

[Ivy Wolk]

Is the soul of wit. I just don't have that. It's a good thing to have. I just don't possess it.

[Sam Taggart]

I honestly talk like I've never spoken in my life.

[Zoran Mamdani]

No, no. I think what you're doing is radical because you are going against the clipification of everything. Like you're doing anti capitalist comedy and that you're doing comedy that has to be.

[Ivy Wolk]

And I should have been in that sketch group.

[Zoran Mamdani]

You should have been in that sketch group so that we could have all. I mean, you know what ended up happening? They, like, tried to unionized.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yeah. Oh, we're unionizing a sketch group. Great. That'll work. Not.

[Sam Taggart]

That's awesome.

[Zoran Mamdani]

No, I think we need to create our own sketch group. And it's all 45 minute sketches that are mostly monologue. Free association monologue.

[Ivy Wolk]

I pitched a sketch show to Adult Swim and they didn't take it. And that was probably because in the meeting I was like, so hour long episodes. And they were like hour long episodes.

[Zoran Mamdani]

One sketch, one person.

[Ivy Wolk]

No, literally, I was like feature film every week. And they were like, usually our stuff is like 11 minutes. And I was like, okay, what if you broadened that? I'm just challenging everybody to broaden their horizons. Really?

[Sam Taggart]

At the end of the day, you want greatness.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Is that so much to ask for?

[Ivy Wolk]

Like Timothee Chalamet said on the SAG Awards stage, I want greatness.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Ivy, I just want to say, as your fathers, we're so proud of you.

[Sam Taggart]

We're so proud of you.

[Zoran Mamdani]

And we think that you are on the correct track. And don't let anyone make you doubt yourself.

[Ivy Wolk]

Thanks.

[Sam Taggart]

Ever, ever.

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Thanks.

[Ivy Wolk]

Love you guys.

[Zoran Mamdani]

And we can't wait to see. If I had legs, I'd kick you.

[Ivy Wolk]

It's really good. It's really good.

[Zoran Mamdani]

I made it for everyone. I know.

[Ivy Wolk]

It's delicious. Rose Byrne is so incredible.

[George Severis]

Well, honestly.

[Ivy Wolk]

Also in the canon.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Also in the canon.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, yeah.

[Zoran Mamdani]

She is fully also in the canon.

[Sam Taggart]

Which is really cool.

[George Severis]

If Roseburn didn't.

[Ivy Wolk]

Melissa McCarthy. Also in the canon.

[Sam Taggart]

Yes, in the canon.

[Zoran Mamdani]

But if Rose Byrne didn't also have dramatic chops, she would just be Known as, like, a Julia Louis Dreyfus level comedian.

[Ivy Wolk]

She's incredible. And she's very funny in the movie. The movie is very dark and sad and, like, dour. But she used everything with Conan. No, I didn't shoot anything with Conan. I shot with a Brocky who's such a mensch and gorgeous and so kind and loves film. Loves independent cinema.

[Sam Taggart]

I had no idea.

[Ivy Wolk]

Loves watching everything happen in a really charming.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Crazy how he's the real deal.

[Ivy Wolk]

He know, like, truly as charming and handsome and kind and generous in real life as he is, like, in his public life. He. He's great. He's so awesome. Rose Byrne, a fucking doll. Just, like, literally amazing. Like, Pookie. For real, like, deserves to be heralded in the high heavens. She is Mount Olympus to me. That's Queen. That's really Queen. The movie's really good. If I had legs, I'd kick you. The movie's really good.

[Zoran Mamdani]

English teacher.

[Ivy Wolk]

English teacher on Hulu. I'm in episodes one and seven. See how they don't put me in all 10?

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, really? I will say, your presence is so strong, it feels like you're in every.

[Zoran Mamdani]

We're only in two. To me. To me, you're like, third lead.

[Ivy Wolk]

I know, well. Cause when it comes to a sitcom, you give me a script, I'm clippable.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Yeah. No, you were clipped.

[Sam Taggart]

No. Edible. You're to die for.

[Ivy Wolk]

Thank you.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Ep 7 is your. That's like your Panic in Central Park.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, thanks.

[Ivy Wolk]

That's really nice.

[Zoran Mamdani]

No, ep 7. I said a Star is Born.

[Sam Taggart]

No, that was really amazing.

[George Severis]

Was that.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Did you improv?

[Ivy Wolk]

Yeah.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Okay.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yeah, they let me improvise a lot. I mean, last season, they would just roll the camera on me for, like, 30 minutes and be like, okay, now we're gonna do a take where Ivy just says anything. So a lot of my lines are improvised. Like the. You were in the gay club, no mask on.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Ivy Wolk]

Shaking ass in the gay club, no mask on, improvised.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, my God.

[Ivy Wolk]

The line last season where I'm like, sir, I'm posting ads on Backpage because I'm gonna have to hit the corner because my grades are so bad. That, of course, was improvised.

[Sam Taggart]

There's a mutuality to your line also.

[Ivy Wolk]

Because Backpage does not exist anymore and hasn't for, like, 10 years. And it's like, I'm, of course, the only reference.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Exactly. And it wouldn't be a reference a high school student would use.

[Ivy Wolk]

Right. It's just an Ivy Wolf reference. I'm like, damn, I'm Posting ads on background page. Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, my God. Damn. Okay, well, are we gonna do our final seg?

[Zoran Mamdani]

Yeah, let's do our final.

[Ivy Wolk]

There's a final seg.

[Sam Taggart]

There's a final seg. Our final segment's called Shout Outs, where you pay homage to the grand straight tradition of the radio. Shout out. Shouting out, anything we enjoy. People, places, things, ideas. George and I will go first.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yeah, you guys go first. I need an example.

[Zoran Mamdani]

I can go.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, go for it.

[Zoran Mamdani]

What's up, cinephiles, Letterboxd users? Anyone out there with a wild opinion about a film? I wanna give a shout out to you, young Mark Ruffalo. This is a very kind of like, derp. Derp. I'm a blogger take, like, to be like, mark Ruffalo is actually kind of hot when he was young. But I recently rewatched you'd Can Count on Me, the Kenneth Lonergan movie, which I hadn't seen since I was a child.

[Ivy Wolk]

I farted. That was crazy.

[Sam Taggart]

No, that was wild.

[Ivy Wolk]

You have to cut us off.

[Sam Taggart]

No, we have to leave that.

[Zoran Mamdani]

No, we're leaving that. We can cut the actual fart, but we're leaving. And you saying, I farted.

[Ivy Wolk]

I'm so sorry.

[Zoran Mamdani]

No, listen, all I wanted to say is, like, I don't.

[Sam Taggart]

Wow. That's insane. Wow.

[Ivy Wolk]

That's never happened.

[Zoran Mamdani]

That was improv. That was not scripted. Everything else you said so far was in the script. That's like.

[Sam Taggart]

That was wild. I was like.

[Ivy Wolk]

That was really random for me. Like, that was me genuinely being just random and out of character.

[Zoran Mamdani]

I like that you're so comfortable with us, though, that you.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, no, that's nice.

[Ivy Wolk]

I didn't even. It was like. It was true. Like, it just flew.

[Zoran Mamdani]

I honestly think it was very like. You can exhale now, Simon. Like, you've been so focused on telling your story from love. Simon, you can focus on telling. You know, you've been so focused on telling your story during this whole episode, and then finally you're like, oh, my God, I can relax.

[Sam Taggart]

You're like, finally. It's all out there.

[Ivy Wolk]

And it's so hot in here.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Listen, all I wanted to say is that Mark Ruffalo is hot. There's really nothing. I mean, I can. I can keep going, but don't you think that there's. I'm literally like. This is just a question for everyone out there. What category of man is Mark Ruffalo in? Who are who in Hollywood, like, looks and feels like him? I was just like, isn't he sort of unique?

[Ivy Wolk]

An interview with him where he's talking about like all of the movies he's ever made in promotion of like the new show that he's on. And he talks about like a hundred movies on it. And I find him to be very cute and charming because he's like kind of thick and gruff, but he's also really soft spoken and kind of twitchy. And yeah, there is really nobody with his.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Like, even when he was young, obviously he's very objectively hot, but he's hot in a way that not a lot. I guess the only comp I could draw is like, you know, when Dustin Hoffman was young, he wasn't like hunky, he was like. It was something different. But I don't know. Can you think of anyone who has the vibe of a Mark Ruffalo?

[Sam Taggart]

Not a one.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Strange. I keep wanting to say Eric Bana, but that's cause they both played the Hulk.

[Ivy Wolk]

Right?

[Zoran Mamdani]

Anyway, that's mine.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay, I'll go quickly. What's up, freaks, losers and perverts? I want to give a huge shout out and a very, I'll say this practical shout out to TSA PreCheck. You know, I have been one of these people that's like, if I can't do it the plain way, I don't want to do it at all. I want the common experience. I don't want a specialty experience. And then my dear friend George was like, you should really do this if we're going to be traveling together.

[Ivy Wolk]

Does it work?

[Sam Taggart]

And it works so well. You think, who cares what's waiting in a line? Then you get this precheck. And your life is so easy. Every time I go to the airport, I feel like I'm, you know, Julia Louis Dreyfus way. I'm being treated like royalty.

[Zoran Mamdani]

One of the greats.

[Sam Taggart]

I am.

[Zoran Mamdani]

You're in the cannon.

[Sam Taggart]

I am like, sliding right through. Everyone is kissing my feet and no one is.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Which have shoes on, by the way.

[Sam Taggart]

Which have shoes on. And no one is stopping me and looking.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Don't have to take your shoes off.

[Sam Taggart]

No shoes off.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Don't take laptop out.

[Sam Taggart]

No laptop out. The line. Three people long. You should get it.

[Ivy Wolk]

How do they know you're not bin Laden?

[Sam Taggart]

Literally.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Interview.

[Sam Taggart]

You have to give an interview and be like, I'm not bin Laden, by the way.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Oh, yeah. They're like, which one of these is you?

[Sam Taggart]

And it's a picture of you in bin Laden.

[Ivy Wolk]

You point at, you go, I'm Sam.

[Sam Taggart]

And they're like, you pass.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Zoran Mamdani]

You give your Fake id. That's your photo from your self tape, right?

[Ivy Wolk]

And they're like, are you Vinland? I'm like, I'm actually Ivy with a different last name.

[Sam Taggart]

So shout out to TSA PreCheck. Sometimes being practical is good.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Woo.

[Sam Taggart]

Wow.

[Ivy Wolk]

Wow.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Ivy, whenever you're ready.

[Ivy Wolk]

Okay. I would like to give a shout out to the meal that I've been eating every single day, which is gnocchi with olive oil and salt and pepper. I've been eating that every single day for the past like three weeks. It's really good. I ordered the gnocchi that I like in a big box online because I have crazy like food scarcity hustle grindset mindset. And so I'm always afraid that food is just gonna disappear. So I buy things in bulk in massive boxes. Like I'm a Costco mom or a doomsday prepper. And so I've heard of Ivy wolves.

[Sam Taggart]

But I maybe bulk.

[Ivy Wolk]

Ooh, wait, that's good. Write that down. That's a new character for me. So I bought all this gnocchi and now I have like 12 containers of it in my fridge. Last night I made the mistake of eating 800 calories of it in one sitting and I couldn't move or walk and I felt like I was gonna die. But it's really delicious and it's just clutch. Like I just, I love dinner.

[Zoran Mamdani]

I'm really, I love dinner.

[Ivy Wolk]

I'm going. I'm in a dinner phase in my life right now. I kind of like, I only eat the same things over and over again. Like pretty much all I eat is potato based products and beef or pork. That's all I eat. And then I eat like sweets and candy and that's it.

[Zoran Mamdani]

It's a pretty varied. Yeah, pretty varied, but no fruits and vegetables.

[Ivy Wolk]

I've been doing apples.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Yummy too.

[Ivy Wolk]

So actually, shout out to apples lately.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Shout out to apples.

[Ivy Wolk]

Shout out to apples. I have like gastroparesis, so my stomach is paralyzed. And so I was not eating raw fruits and vegetables for like many years because I was like not digesting them well and I would just like throw up apple skins. And so I was not eating apples for many years of my life. And then the other day I was like, what would happen if I just ate an apple? And now I've been eating multiple apples a day. And honestly I feel like actually like I'm better. So shout out to that.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, this has been a real treat. Thank you for doing the podcast.

[Ivy Wolk]

I'm so sorry that I farted in Your office.

[Sam Taggart]

That is.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Honestly, this is the most punk rock episode we've done.

[Sam Taggart]

That was wild. I'm actually surprised no one's farted before.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Well, that we know of.

[Ivy Wolk]

Adam's a farter.

[Sam Taggart]

Is he interesting?

[Zoran Mamdani]

I don't think he farted when he was. Not audibly, but, you know, much like you, not clippable in the sense that he does tell some 17 minute stories.

[Ivy Wolk]

Yes, Adam, he's also. He's Adam.

[George Severis]

But Adam.

[Ivy Wolk]

Adam talks like Bill Maher, where Bill Maher's always like, you know, one time I saw Teddy Kennedy at the JetBlue terminal.

[Sam Taggart]

Sure, yeah.

[Ivy Wolk]

LaGuardia Airport. It was a cold day. And like, that's how Adam talks. Every Adam story is like, once upon a time, I saw the guy from Diff'rent Strokes at a Costco. Yeah, it was chilly. The breeze was blowing. And then two hours later you're like, well, my train's here. I gotta go.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Yeah, what was the point of any of that?

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, well, now that we've shit talked to Adam.

[Zoran Mamdani]

No, I love that my desire for his approval is, like, humiliated. It reminds me of being gay in high school and wanting the cool.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, people did comment that there was a chemistry between you two.

[Zoran Mamdani]

They actually said sexual tension.

[Ivy Wolk]

I really felt it in that episode.

[Zoran Mamdani]

I think there was a sexual tension between Adam and me, and I'm excited to explore it further.

[Ivy Wolk]

Spectacled Kings.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, I was kind of ignored the whole time, but say, love you.

[Zoran Mamdani]

You were not ignored.

[Sam Taggart]

They were too busy eye fucking each other to listen to my words.

[Ivy Wolk]

He likes a Mediterranean Vi.

[Zoran Mamdani]

I know.

[Ivy Wolk]

His fiance's Italian and you're Greek.

[Zoran Mamdani]

We want to know more about his fiance.

[Ivy Wolk]

Nice girl.

[Zoran Mamdani]

That's what I hear.

[Ivy Wolk]

Beautiful, beautiful woman.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Ivy Wolk]

Beautiful woman.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay, we have to wrap up.

[Zoran Mamdani]

All right. Okay, Bye, bye, bye.

[Sam Taggart]

Podcast ends now.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Want more?

[George Severis]

Subscribe to our Patreon for two extra episodes a month. Discord Access and more by heading to patreon.com Stradiolab and for all our visual learners.

[Sam Taggart]

Free full length video episodes are available on our YouTube. YouTube.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Now get back to work.

[Sam Taggart]

Stradia Lab is a production by Will Ferrell's Big Money players network and iHeart podcasts.

[George Severis]

Created and hosted by George Severis and Sam Taggart.

[Sam Taggart]

Executive produced by Will Ferrell, Han Sonny and Olivia Aguilar.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Co produced by Bay Wang.

[Sam Taggart]

Edited and engineered by Adam Avalos.

[George Severis]

Artwork by Michael Fails and Matt Grubb.

[Sam Taggart]

Theme music by Be.

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