"Watching Someone Watch A Comedy" w/ Chris Fleming

Summary

Podcast Summary: StraightioLab – "Watching Someone Watch A Comedy" w/ Chris Fleming

Podcast: StraightioLab
Hosts: George Civeris, Sam Taggart
Guest: Chris Fleming
Release Date: February 24, 2026
Main Theme:
This episode unpacks the nuances of “watching someone watch a comedy”—the awkwardness, pressure, and social implications of sharing comedic experiences and scrutinizing reactions, all while riffing on topics like performance, authenticity, straight culture, personal routines, and contemporary pop-media phenomena. The episode is characteristically playful and cerebral, weaving together personal stories, comedy philosophy, and pop culture dissection with the trio’s signature dry wit.

---

Episode Overview

StraightioLab welcomes comedian and performer Chris Fleming for a fast-moving, sharp-witted dive into the anxiety and psychology of observing one another during comedy—whether it’s watching a sitcom together or sharing a YouTube clip. The group branches into adjacent discussions about performance versus authenticity, therapy, personal quirks, pop music, and the semiotics of straightness, all framed by their self-aware, gently mocking tone.

---

Key Discussion Points & Segments

1. Opening Banter: Setting the Scene

Time Stamp: 03:47 – 06:12

• Podcast is recorded in LA, in the so-called “Kathy Griffin Room,” which triggers jokes about who’s “a strong woman in comedy.”
• Chris Fleming jokes about the elusive scheduling of his appearance, and ongoing “power plays” with Sam Taggart.
  • Quote: “Everything's a power play with Taggart.” (Chris, 04:42)
• Light ribbing continues as Chris recalls witnessing Sam’s “electric” energy at a birthday party and an infamous incident at El Condor involving “Kiss From a Rose” at high volume.

---

2. Chains, Therapy, and Porous Boundaries

Time Stamp: 09:02 – 14:35

• The symbolism of Sam’s missing chain triggers psychoanalysis about personal image and impression management.
  • Quote: "To take off your chain, wear a button down shirt, and get a preppy haircut is crazy." (George, 10:20)
• Sam confesses to quitting therapy; group probes the “porous boundaries” concept—i.e., letting things in or out emotionally.
  • Quote: “Are you a porous top or a porous bottom or a porous verse?” (George, 13:16)
• Amused speculation on who in the pop culture universe fulfills these various “porous” roles.

---

3. Fashion, Sentimentality, and Spaces

Time Stamp: 14:36 – 18:41 & 32:01 – 35:13

• Conversations shift to style choices, barbers, and performance-vs-casual dress for comedians.
• Meditations on outgrowing adolescent physical awkwardness and the comfort of routines, especially when moving house or gym-going.
• Chris and the hosts share their attachment to familiar, controlled spaces, and their struggles adapting to new environments.
  • Quote: “I need to know it. I don't care if it's jail. I just need to know it.” (Chris, 32:05)

---

4. Pop Culture & The Minions Paradox

Time Stamp: 18:20 – 21:18

• Brief tangent on the monocultural breakthrough of “Despicable Me” and the existential uncanniness of never knowing a world without Gru and Minions.
  • Quote: "I don't think we can fathom how popular the Minions are. It's too much for one mind to understand." (Chris, 18:47)
• Amused bewilderment at the sincerity versus irony divide in pop-culture consumption.

---

5. Morning Radio, Performance, and Podcasting

Time Stamp: 14:35 – 16:17 & 39:48 – 43:06

• Chris reminisces about doing morning radio and the ultra-high-energy, joke-laden style it requires.
• The group analyzes the increasingly blurred lines between performance and authenticity in podcasts and media.
  • Quote: “Do you think we've gone too far in terms of, like, calling everything performative?” (George, 39:53)
• The hosts reflect on StraightioLab's own “gentle parenting,” mutual support, and relatively polite, non-performative rapport compared to other shows.
  • Quote: “We're actually doing sort of... the one podcast that's not doing a performance...” (Sam, 42:14)

---

6. Straight Shooters: Rapid Fire Segment

Time Stamp: 35:12 – 39:48

• Chris is subjected to "this-or-that" questions on topics ranging from Björk lyrics to the U.S. Navy, with tangential detours into the authenticity of pop oddities and artists' image management.
  • Highlight: Chris’s extended riff on Björk, Robin, and Sia as examples of performance, authenticity, and managing aging or image in public life.

---

7. Main Topic: Watching Someone Watch a Comedy

Time Stamp: 59:35 – 63:03

• Chris presents the “straight” dilemma of watching someone for their reactions during a comedy film.
  • Quote: “You're watching a comedy, okay. And they're watching you during the laugh points. They're laughing there. You see what I'm saying?” (Chris, 59:50)
• The group dissects the pressure of curating funny experiences, the awkwardness of shared viewing, and how it transforms the watcher into the performer, often spoiling genuine enjoyment.
  • Quote: “You become the performer by the movie. It's not the entertainment. You are.” (Sam, 61:54)
• Hilarity ensues as they recall similar “performance traps” in life—from showing a partner Rat Race, to watching friends’ films in their presence, to musicians’ hyperbolic reactions to each other’s work.

---

8. Comedy Scenes, Clout Hopping, and Community

Time Stamp: 28:00 – 35:13

• Chris is humorously accused of not knowing his hosts’ standup credentials, leading to recollections of formative experiences at the Comedy Studio and the elusive quest for club-owner approval.
  • Quote: “He [Jenkins] was like a polygraph for any type of inauthenticity.” (Chris, 29:45)
• The hosts examine the oddity of entering new artistic scenes where you're not known, and the desire to assert one’s comedic “street cred.”

---

9. Pop and Indie Music Deep Dive

Time Stamp: 79:20 – 83:56

• The trio dig into Heim, Blood Orange, Beach House, and (especially) the ascent of artist Audrey Hobert—using Hobert as a lens on indie pop coolness and adult contemporary “drift.”
  • Quote: “I like it. But I'm—am I, like, you know, letting go by liking this?” (Sam, 79:53)
• They debate the true “cool factor” of popular indie acts and the evolution toward mainstream acceptance.

---

10. Closing Segments: Shout Outs

Time Stamp: 93:40 – 99:00

• Each host and Chris delivers earnest/funny shout-outs:
  • Sam: Audrey Hobert for “bringing weird back” in indie pop.
  • George: Trader Joe’s for keeping him half-human on a solo stint—“if you ever want to feel 60%…go to Trader Joe’s.”
  • Chris: Bath bombs (esp. from Lush) as his ritualistic escape and self-care practice.
• Discussion continues about performing for “the feminine gaze,” Patti Smith’s perennial New York nostalgia, and the cultural symbolism of self-care items.

---

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On performing for others while watching a comedy:
  • “It is exhausting in a way that you—your body never recovers.” (Chris, 61:41)
• On the comedic anxiety of group viewings:
  • “The one exception to this, I think, is musicians playing each other... and it’s just like, a song that, like, it's a Sam Smith song that you hear when you're deplaning.” (Chris, 63:03)
• On authenticity and performance:
  • “What if—here's a challenge. Don't think of everything as a performance. What now?” (George, 39:55)
• On adult contemporary drift:
  • “So much of what we thought was cool in the Pitchfork era is adult contemporary... Beach House just is adult. And I love Beach House.” (George, 80:01)
• On Trader Joe's cuisine:
  • "It tastes like if you...combined real chicken with a rubber chicken...and then you ran tests and it's like, oh, it's basically edible." (George, 97:27)
• On the bath as gym/ritual:
  • "City is my church. Bath is my gym." (Chris, 99:40)

---

Key Timestamps

• 03:47 — Opening location/energy
• 09:02 — Chain talk, psychoanalysis, therapy confessions
• 18:20 — Despicable Me/Minions monoculture
• 35:12 — “Straight Shooters” rapid-fire segment
• 39:48 — Ruminations on performance vs. authenticity
• 59:50 — Main “watching someone watch comedy” topic begins
• 79:20 — Blood Orange, Heim, music digressions
• 93:40 — Shout outs: Audrey Hobert, Trader Joe’s, Bath Bombs

---

Episode Tone & Style

• Language: Quick, layered, intellectual riffs, peppered with surreal jokes & sly self-mockery
• Atmosphere: Brainy but never self-serious, relational and supportive despite playful dragging
• Dynamic: All three delight in psychoanalysis, self-parody, “reading” each other and themselves in ways that feel both niche and universally relatable

---

For Listeners Who Didn’t Tune In

This episode offers a whirlwind of vulnerability, comic pathos, and wry commentary about, well, being seen—watching and being watched—and the strange social rituals of performing (and being performed to). Expect rapid-fire references, lovingly deep dives into both trivial and existential questions, and the feeling you’ve dropped in on the funniest group therapy session possible.

If you’ve ever felt awkward showing a friend a comedy, agonized over your own image, or just wondered why Target’s playlist feels designed for your soul, this episode is for you.

---

Listen for:

• Chris Fleming’s signature blend of neurotic candor and surreal humor
• Real talk about therapy, boundaries, and emotional messiness
• Pop culture rabbit holes, from Björk to Bath Bombs
• The warm and chaotic chemistry of three comedians at their smartest and silliest

---

“We’re actually doing… the one podcast that’s not doing a performance.” – Sam Taggart (42:14)

Transcript

[Chris Fleming]

This is an iHeart podcast.

[Ad Read Announcer]

Guaranteed Human time for a sofa upgrade. Introducing Anabe sofas where designer style meets budget friendly prices. Anibe brings you the ultimate in furniture innovation with a modular design that allows you to rearrange your space effortlessly. Perfect for both small and large spaces, Anibe is the only machine washable sofa inside and out. Say goodbye to stains and messes with liquid and stain resistant fabrics that make cleaning easy. Liquids simply slide right off daily. Designed for custom comfort, our high resilience foam lets you choose between a sink in feel or a supportive memory foam blend. Plus our pet friendly stain resistant fabrics ensure your sofa stays beautiful for years. Don't compromise quality for price. Visit washablesofas.com to upgrade your living space. Today sofas start at just $699 with no risk returns and a 30 day money back guarantee. Get up to 60% off plus free free shipping and free returns. Shop now at washablesofas.com offers are subject to change and certain restrictions may apply.

[Ad Read Flag Football]

Flag Football is exploding and iflag is leading the way as the Guinness World Record Holder. Iflag hosts premier flag football tournaments nationwide for boys, girls, high school girls and adults. From first time players to elite competitors, iflag delivers top level competition, unforgettable experiences and and a community built around the game ready to be part of it. Join the movement, find your tournament and learn [e-mail] that's iflag.org There's a fire

[Ad Read Announcer]

inside you you can't ignore. Stand still. Not a chance. You're a lifelong learner who's come this far. Now we're here to help you keep going further. Capella University what can't you do? Visit capella.edu to learn more.

[Chris Fleming]

Well, the holidays have come and gone once again, but if you've forgotten to

[George Severis]

get that special someone in your life

[Chris Fleming]

a gift, well, Mint Mobile is extending their holiday offer of half off unlimited wireless. So here's the idea. You get it now. You call it an early present for next year. What do you have to lose? Give it a [e-mail] Switch limited time

[Ad Read Announcer]

50% off regular price for new customers. Upfront payment required $45 for three months, $90 for a six month or $180 for 12 month plan taxes and fees. Extra speeds may slow after 50 gigabytes per month when network is busy. See Terms.

[Sam Taggart]

Podcast starts now.

[George Severis]

Just kidding. We tricked you. Got your we have another amazing announcement about upcoming shows and I am not going to sugarcoat it. If you are in London, you can see Me, George Severis at the Soho Theater on February 24th. The February 23rd show is sold out, but the 24th still has some tickets.

[Sam Taggart]

And then I, Sam, am doing an hour in LA three times on March 9, March 24 and April 1. Get tickets to that as well.

[George Severis]

And if you are in New York City, there are actually quite a few opportunities to see us. We will be doing a Stratio Lab live show at the Bell House. We are returning home. Home to the Bell House. And that is on March 13th, Friday the 13th at 7:30 at the Bell House.

[Sam Taggart]

And then in NYC, I, Sam, I'm doing my hour on the 18th at Union Hall. Getting a bit intimate with it mates.

[George Severis]

Excuse me. Being British is kind of my thing since my shows are in London. So basically, if you are in London, New York City or Los Angeles, California, you have various opportunities to see us either together or separately. And that is all we have for now.

[Sam Taggart]

Cheers. Podcast starts now. What is up? Everyone around the globe, we are here in a different room than we normally record in Los Angeles, California.

[Chris Fleming]

Salmon George in the morning in Columbus, Ohio.

[George Severis]

Chris, it's not your timing. It's not. That's not how this works.

[Chris Fleming]

Sorry, sorry.

[Sam Taggart]

No, no, no.

[George Severis]

We're in the. I'm sorry to.

[Chris Fleming]

I saw a window and I took it.

[George Severis]

Chris.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, my God, Chris, Already with the voice work.

[George Severis]

We're in the Kathy Griffin room. Let' this is a rumor. We've only ever recorded with Kathy Griffin and Taylor Tomlinson.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. And when I had a Kathy Griffin

[George Severis]

and we said, it's time to have another strong woman in comedy here on the podcast. Here on the podcast.

[Sam Taggart]

I mean, I literally think we should just cut straight to. Because we have been fighting tooth and nail.

[George Severis]

I know.

[Sam Taggart]

And this comedian, I don't think I. Has been dodging every text, email, call. I could not.

[George Severis]

I think he could still cancel. There's still time.

[Sam Taggart]

I think there's still time he could

[George Severis]

say, oh, I'm sorry, I just had a meeting come up.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, I just realized your politics and I'm out.

[Chris Fleming]

It's not you, George, it's Taggart that I'm doing. And everything's a power play with Taggart.

[George Severis]

You know, this whole Tagger Taggert is

[Chris Fleming]

for Tagger is what he tells me.

[George Severis]

Mind games are you playing? It's very like you're being very kind of like class clown at school who's like, also a bully.

[Chris Fleming]

You want to call him Tiger

[George Severis]

because it's like you're being. You're like, oh, I'm Wearing like a crop top and I'm sort of like doing the Macarena. But also I can end you, but I could end you with one look and that's kind of your vibe.

[Chris Fleming]

That's very sweet. The thing that Taggart is doing to

[Sam Taggart]

me, I did something insane too. Oh. Oh, dear. Guest Chris Fleming.

[Chris Fleming]

Talk via text.

[George Severis]

What did you do?

[Sam Taggart]

Tagard says, can I do something insane?

[George Severis]

Oh, I know this.

[Chris Fleming]

He does. He goes, can I do your show at Largo this Friday? And I was like, taggart, I would love to have you on my show. And he goes, I can. I'm throwing a holiday party.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay.

[Chris Fleming]

It didn't go down like that. The hair on the back of my neck stood up.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay.

[Sam Taggart]

What happened was I asked like three weeks before that.

[Chris Fleming]

I was like, do you ever think that I'm in the driver's seat with Taggart? I've never once been in the driver's seat.

[Sam Taggart]

No, it was.

[George Severis]

No, that was Sam's last stand. After you're playing mind games with him for a full three years, he's like, this is the only card I have to play is not inviting him to my holiday party at the same time.

[Sam Taggart]

Can I do your show? Yes. Can you do it this Friday? No.

[Chris Fleming]

Okay, so.

[George Severis]

Oh, you didn't know when it was.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay, so just like, generally, I was like, in the future.

[George Severis]

Oh, so you're one sided again. The one playing mind games, you're like,

[Chris Fleming]

oh, I know this one.

[George Severis]

I know this is the one thing he wants. I see, I see.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah. Well, Taggart to me is a very powerful figure.

[George Severis]

Why? I mean, I agree, of course. Well, I think one of the year.

[Chris Fleming]

The first time I ever saw you. I think one of the.

[Sam Taggart]

At the birthday party.

[Chris Fleming]

Okay. Second time. That was when I met the Taggart brothers, which I'm obviously writing a show for usa, the USA Network and other tags.

[Sam Taggart]

It's going to be back soon.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah. It's called the Tagger.

[George Severis]

The USA Network. Of all the streamers.

[Chris Fleming]

We want it for the violence.

[Sam Taggart]

For the violence.

[Chris Fleming]

So, yeah, we met at the birthday party and obviously it was electric. But then I saw. I saw him at El Condor Blackout playing Kiss from a Rose on a Bluetooth speaker.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, God. I was completely sober. It was a Sunday.

[Chris Fleming]

I often do this with.

[George Severis]

He's putting his fingers in his ears, folks.

[Chris Fleming]

I don't often do that. Kiss From a Rose was on loop. So loud.

[George Severis]

Kiss From a Rose is tough.

[Chris Fleming]

I had to do this.

[George Severis]

People were.

[Chris Fleming]

The staff was begging him to quiet it down.

[George Severis]

Is this like some sort of karaoke.

[Sam Taggart]

Misha wanted a margarita. Misha was demanding we go get a margarita.

[Chris Fleming]

The weakest margarita. It's basically a placebo. So he's fucked up on lemon lime Gatorade. He's cross eyed holding a. Like.

[Sam Taggart]

Like a.

[Chris Fleming]

Like a kid on a lake with a Bluetooth speaker blasting Kiss from a rose.

[George Severis]

Oh, you're blasting Kiss from a rose on a Bluetooth speaker in a bar.

[Sam Taggart]

To be fair, I've never heard a bar play music this loud. And they put just me and Misha on, like, the front patio. And it was like there were like five people inside the restaurant. The loudest music I've ever heard.

[George Severis]

So you were compete. Your music was competing with the loud music?

[Sam Taggart]

No, no, no. The music was playing from the speakers.

[Chris Fleming]

I guess in my mind, I blame it on Taggart for playing the music.

[George Severis]

Oh, the music was separate from Sam. Maybe it was separate.

[Chris Fleming]

You were mad that the bar was

[George Severis]

playing music while he was in there. I was mad.

[Chris Fleming]

I was. And meanwhile, there was like, an executive from, like, Annapurna.

[George Severis]

Well, I should hope so.

[Chris Fleming]

Next to Taggart. Taggart sloshing his mark all over.

[Sam Taggart]

One mark, folks.

[Chris Fleming]

And I was with two people more successful than me and the woman. She was able to talk. She was pointing at them with her two eyes.

[George Severis]

And you were in the middle.

[Chris Fleming]

She was doing the Longhorns where I was the void. She was able to talk to Sandy and Hannah, and her eyes were going beyond me. Well, Taggart and I think Misha was weeping because of what you've been saying. He was a puddle. Because Taggart was being so.

[Sam Taggart]

The way that this story has been morphed and made to make me look like a monster, I just want to

[George Severis]

say, at its core, what happened is you saw him at a restaurant.

[Sam Taggart]

A restaurant, is that correct?

[George Severis]

That happened to be playing loud music.

[Chris Fleming]

He likes my magical realism on fire.

[George Severis]

No, you are a very magical realist.

[Chris Fleming]

I am very inspired when I see Tagger.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Chris Fleming]

Cause he's like. He's torn between good and evil.

[George Severis]

Come this.

[Chris Fleming]

Oh, sorry. Not even evil. Yeah, Naughty and nice.

[George Severis]

That's true.

[Chris Fleming]

I just see. I close my eyes and I see him getting a talk and do from a guidance counselor.

[George Severis]

Because he has a guidance counselor within.

[Chris Fleming]

Hey, you're a good kid. You're trying to go down this bad path. Yes, I want to stop this.

[Sam Taggart]

The way that you see that in me is shocking because that is like, I was always such a good kid. And then one time I threw the eraser across the room. And you better believe it was like the teacher suddenly was, like, the disappointment.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Like you of all people.

[Chris Fleming]

And it's in your. It's in his eyes. And I see that when I look into Taggert's eyes.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Chris Fleming]

And it lights me on fire.

[Sam Taggart]

I want to be bad, but I'm good at heart.

[George Severis]

You want to be bad, but you're good at heart.

[Chris Fleming]

I saw you wearing a chain in one of these clips recently.

[George Severis]

He's always wearing a chain.

[Sam Taggart]

Not today, actually, because I was. Oh, my God.

[Chris Fleming]

That's not good.

[George Severis]

I cannot believe this.

[Chris Fleming]

I didn't see this.

[Sam Taggart]

I didn't want to give Chris any ammo.

[Chris Fleming]

I think I saw a concealed carry on you when you were on that chain. I think that was like an ankle piece. It was truly, like. I mean. All right, all right. Miami.

[George Severis]

Tag Fleming is glamorous. Can I ask you something? Can I ask you something? Did you get this haircut because you knew Chris was coming on?

[Sam Taggart]

No, that's not why.

[George Severis]

Okay.

[Sam Taggart]

That's not.

[Chris Fleming]

Why do we have the polygraph? Can we.

[George Severis]

In the window.

[Chris Fleming]

Can we.

[George Severis]

This is the most. Because I'm realizing this is the most clean. For you to take off your chain, wear a button down shirt and get a preppy haircut is crazy.

[Sam Taggart]

Like.

[Chris Fleming]

And did you.

[George Severis]

What kind of. Meanwhile, you're wearing, like, 15 rings from.

[Chris Fleming]

Well, I saw. I saw the chain and I said, all right. Okay. Taggart wants to play.

[George Severis]

Oh, I see.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah. I went to Ring Pop Center.

[Sam Taggart]

You're allowed to be as glamorous as you are, but not me.

[Chris Fleming]

No.

[George Severis]

You look like a psychic on Venice beach looking into her ball.

[Sam Taggart]

I got the haircut and I told him, I said, shout out to my barber. Of course. Love him to death.

[Chris Fleming]

Yes.

[Sam Taggart]

I said, of course.

[Chris Fleming]

I said, an avid listener.

[Sam Taggart]

An avid listener.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

I brought him up before and he did hear about it, so I'm.

[Chris Fleming]

You have a barber?

[Sam Taggart]

Well, yes. He's the first one I found when I got here, and I haven't moved on since.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah, well, it's working.

[Sam Taggart]

I'm loyal.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

And he said. He. I said, I want it messy. And he said, got it. Cleanest haircut I've ever gotten.

[George Severis]

You said, you want it messy?

[Sam Taggart]

I said, keep it messy. Just clean it up. Cleanest haircut I've ever gotten in my life.

[Chris Fleming]

It is clean.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. He said, that's not gonna work for me.

[Chris Fleming]

You know who. You. You know what you look like? Oh, this is good. You could be Mr. Ripley. I wanna see. I wanna see the talented. I wanna see the talented Mr. Tagger.

[George Severis]

Yeah, I could see that.

[Chris Fleming]

You could do a little Dicky Greenleaf.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay, Okay.

[Chris Fleming]

I like that. That's good for you.

[Sam Taggart]

Call the USA network.

[Chris Fleming]

And they did it. They remade it in black and white. But we would do technical. We would go the other way. We would go. It would be like full odds. People be super bright. And then the music.

[George Severis]

And then the music is like. It's not dark.

[Sam Taggart]

It's the opposite of not moody at all.

[Chris Fleming]

So pre 911 that.

[George Severis]

But you taking off your chain is very. Ripley it's. And it's like in the moment where they see you in your room in a private moment, suddenly you are wearing a chain. And they're like. He was chained the whole time.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah, yeah. You not wearing the chain today because you knew I was.

[Sam Taggart]

No, it's actually pretty dark.

[George Severis]

I actually cannot believe that.

[Chris Fleming]

That, that. That I feel bad about. Let me say. I do.

[George Severis]

I want to say before we started recording, sorry to blow up your spot. Sam was telling me that he's actually quitting therapy. And now after this interaction, I'm like, we need to go back to chain based psychoanalysis work.

[Sam Taggart]

He said that sometimes I do have porous boundaries.

[Chris Fleming]

I think that's great that you're quitting therapy.

[George Severis]

Wait, sorry, who said you?

[Sam Taggart]

My therapist.

[George Severis]

Oh, you know, I have. I use the term porous boundaries.

[Sam Taggart]

Porous is good.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Some stuff goes through some stuff doesn't.

[Chris Fleming]

You got the police scanner on too. Do you think that you are in other people's experiences or do you think that people can get to you too much?

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, a little bit of both.

[George Severis]

So are the porous boundaries outward facing or inward?

[Chris Fleming]

That's what I mean.

[Sam Taggart]

Stuff's going out.

[Chris Fleming]

It could be a two way street. Yeah, yeah. I'm picking up on some of it completely.

[George Severis]

Well, porous boundaries outwardly is like. I sexually harass like that. It's like. You know what I mean? Whereas porous inwardly is like, I have. People affect me too much.

[Chris Fleming]

I have my mother's rage completely. Is that.

[Sam Taggart]

That's your porous verse? If you're in and out, yes.

[George Severis]

Are you a porous top or a porous bottom or a porous verse?

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, Ex. Basically my therapist was like.

[Chris Fleming]

Or your poorest pig. That's the fourth option.

[Sam Taggart]

Leak those pores on a pig.

[Chris Fleming]

Rolling around, rolling around.

[George Severis]

Those boundaries.

[Sam Taggart]

Weak boundaries.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

No, he was just like, you're good.

[Chris Fleming]

Like, he was sort of like, oh, you've graduated.

[Sam Taggart]

He was like, sounds like you're handling it fine.

[Chris Fleming]

You get a certificate basically. How Long.

[George Severis]

You, by the way, ask that question.

[Chris Fleming]

What question?

[George Severis]

How long has he been in therapy?

[Chris Fleming]

How long have you been in therapy?

[George Severis]

Like, three months.

[Sam Taggart]

Pretty much enough. Sometimes you just don't need it.

[Chris Fleming]

This is like what you hear about serial killers. They're like, yeah, you know, you're good.

[George Severis]

No, it actually was the most quick. Like, it's like he. He, like, went to therapy. The things that he was sort of working on did get resolved, and he's like, okay, bye.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. Wow. I mean, it honestly felt egotistical to keep going because he just keeps saying, you're doing a really good job with that. You're doing a really good job with that.

[Chris Fleming]

He wasn't like a life coach. He gave me.

[Sam Taggart]

He gave me no advice.

[Chris Fleming]

You with the chain. I thought for a second maybe Taylor

[Sam Taggart]

had a life coach. Went, cool. Christian. That would be good.

[George Severis]

Oh, my God, I'm desperate to be baptized in Los Angeles.

[Chris Fleming]

Oh, ye. Yeah.

[George Severis]

Just at the Ace Hotel in Koreatown.

[Sam Taggart]

How much thought did you put into your outfit today? Were you like, oh, I can't.

[Chris Fleming]

Let me tell you this. Let me tell you this.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chris Fleming]

Stage me.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Chris Fleming]

Like a real peacock.

[George Severis]

You don't think. You don't think of this as a stage.

[Chris Fleming]

No.

[George Severis]

We're doing reels.

[Chris Fleming]

This is morning radio. You're going to be on Instagram reels in the morning. We're collabing you guys at 5am have you ever done morning radio, by the way?

[Sam Taggart]

Never.

[George Severis]

I have, but a very long time ago.

[Chris Fleming]

It is. I mean, these people are com. It is the most. It's like joke, joke, joke and cackle. They have these people that are cackling.

[Sam Taggart]

Sure.

[Chris Fleming]

And it's actually fun. It's actually. It's. It's actually. It can be fun.

[Sam Taggart]

Do you hear the soundboard live?

[Chris Fleming]

I've never done a soundboard one.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, I always want the soundboard one.

[Chris Fleming]

That might be post.

[Sam Taggart]

Really?

[Chris Fleming]

I don't know. Unless someone's.

[George Severis]

Oh, you know what I did do? I did for this other podcast that I did, which was a pop culture history podcast about the Kennedy family. They planned a mini tour, which what that entailed is it was like an hour where every five minutes you switch to a different local radio station. So it'd be like, and now next is Lucy in Portland. And then she's like, so what's the deal with these Kennedys? And then the next one is more like shock jock guy. And you have to immediately change your attitude based on who is there. And you have no. No time to sort of like, take it in.

[Chris Fleming]

That's so interesting for morning radio to handle something of that depth.

[George Severis]

I mean, maybe it wasn't a morning radio, but it was all local radio stations.

[Chris Fleming]

Okay.

[George Severis]

Yeah. Which did you get?

[Chris Fleming]

Delilah. Do we know Delilah?

[George Severis]

I did not get to Delilah, but I. Where is she?

[Chris Fleming]

Is she Seattle?

[Sam Taggart]

She's gotta be.

[George Severis]

She's like either Seattle or Portland.

[Chris Fleming]

I think she's triangulating movement.

[George Severis]

She's on tour constantly.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, I was always like, does each city have their own Delilah? And they just all say I'm Delilah, but like, they're all local.

[George Severis]

Oh, it's her.

[Sam Taggart]

It's her. It's one lady.

[Chris Fleming]

Because people are telling the same sob story and she's always, she's always playing.

[George Severis]

Yeah, she's 120 years old.

[Chris Fleming]

She's playing.

[Sam Taggart]

It's so weird. I mean, that show hit me so hard as like an 8 year old. Like, I was.

[Chris Fleming]

You shouldn't have had access that young. You. You were able to Access Delilah at 8.

[Sam Taggart]

We were listening to Delilah on the way home from swim team practice and I'd be like, damn. I'd be like, this is the most emotional. Like his wife. It's their anniversary and this is their song.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

I'd be like, oh, yeah.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah. Most of it was about a guy cheating and trying to. And she'd be like, honey, I wonder

[George Severis]

what her relationship status is. Throuple. Throuple with two bears.

[Chris Fleming]

I'm trying to. I feel like I know this.

[Sam Taggart]

She's porous verse for sure.

[Chris Fleming]

She's. Oh, she's definitely porous.

[Sam Taggart]

She's too porous.

[Chris Fleming]

She's too porous to have her own.

[George Severis]

Maybe she's porous bottom.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah. Porous bot her.

[George Severis]

Well, she definitely po bottom.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Chris Fleming]

Just receiving everyone's pain.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Chris Fleming]

So how can she. I think she might just be in a yurt somewhere just sweating it out because she's. All these horror stories about guys cheating on their spouses. Yeah. No, she rocks. But no. Okay, your question, how much thought got put into this outfit today?

[Sam Taggart]

Yes.

[Chris Fleming]

I, when I'm, when I'm not on stage, I, I, I don't put as much thought into it. Yeah. And I, but then I'm like, you know what? I, I, if I could, I'd be wearing the same orange jacket that I've been. Is my collar okay? I've been wearing the same orange jacket that people say looks like some antagonist and despicable me, which I miss the franchise.

[Sam Taggart]

I miss the franchise as well.

[Chris Fleming]

When did it come out? Because I think I May have been in school. I may have been studying.

[George Severis]

You were in kindergarten. Yeah. I think that to me, Despicable movie is like 2010's culture. Like Minions. You know what I mean?

[Sam Taggart]

Like Despicable Me. This is awesome.

[George Severis]

2011.

[Sam Taggart]

It's not saying. It just says I can rent it.

[George Severis]

Oh, my God. Should we rerent.

[Chris Fleming]

We should probably rent. Have a watch along.

[Sam Taggart]

I mean. No.

[George Severis]

Despicable Me is something that really broke through to the monoculture, and I still have no idea what it's about.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, there's a lot of those now.

[Chris Fleming]

I think Steve Carell's in it, I think.

[George Severis]

Well, I should hope so. He plays.

[Sam Taggart]

He's Gru.

[George Severis]

He's Gru.

[Chris Fleming]

Okay.

[George Severis]

But the fact that we know Gru.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, Gru got his own film.

[George Severis]

Well, I don't think I've ever. I don't remember ever not knowing.

[Chris Fleming]

Gruff Groot is Brando in one of them.

[George Severis]

Marlon Brando. Yeah. He plays the Minions.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, he plays the Minions.

[George Severis]

He does all different voices. He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chris Fleming]

I don't think we can fathom how popular the Minions are.

[George Severis]

Oh, no.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, no.

[Chris Fleming]

It's too much for one mind to understand.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, and then, of course, our bubble. I think everyone's being ironic. I'm like, of course. This is a franchise held up by irony. Our bubble is such a problem.

[Chris Fleming]

Oh, no, no, no, no.

[Sam Taggart]

People are putting minions on their gravestones and they're saying, this is exactly what.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Chris Fleming]

A catacomb with a life size minion on it. Yeah. Ugh. No. So to answer your question, I put thought into this, but I just grabbed it and I said, you know what? And there's a stain on this side.

[George Severis]

Really? I don't toss. Right.

[Sam Taggart]

Really? How'd you get it out?

[Chris Fleming]

Scrub, scrub, scrub.

[Sam Taggart]

Just fabric to fabric, really.

[George Severis]

Is that cashmere?

[Chris Fleming]

I don't know.

[George Severis]

It looks very soft.

[Sam Taggart]

Ooh.

[George Severis]

One time I was wearing a sweater and someone goes, come closer to me. Someone goes, is that cashmere?

[Sam Taggart]

Oh.

[George Severis]

Cause it was not. It was just like a cheap.

[Sam Taggart]

God, that's wool.

[George Severis]

And they couldn't help it. And then they were trying to joke about it, but I was like, you touched it. And you were like, that is cheap.

[Chris Fleming]

Washing their hands. Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Take me to urgent care. Yeah.

[George Severis]

Oh, I'm bleeding.

[Chris Fleming]

I got a cotton shot. Yeah, that's cotton.

[Sam Taggart]

That's cotton. That's not good for you. Ooh.

[Ad Read Announcer]

Kids, pets, life. Your sofa sees it all. But with a washable sofa, stains don't stand a chance. All of our sofa collections come with fully machine washable covers and cushions making cleanup effortless. Liquid and stain resistant fabrics provide extra protection against everyday messes. Plus with modular designs, you can rearrange your sofa however you like. Perfect for growing families and changing spaces. Starting at just $699, it's time to upgrade to a stress free mess proof sofa. Visit washablesofas.com today and save offers are subject to change and certain restrictions may apply.

[Ad Read Flag Football]

Flag Football is exploding and iflag is leading the way as the Guinness World Record Holder. Iflag hosts premier flag football tournaments nationwide for boys, girls, high school girls and adults. From first time players to elite competitors, iflag delivers top level competition, unforgettable experiences and a community built around the game. Ready to be part of it? Join the movement, find your tournament and learn [e-mail] that's iflag.org hey, this is

[Chris Fleming]

US Olympic gold medalist Tara Davis Woodhull and I'm US Paralympic gold medalist Hunter Woodhull. As athletes, our lives are about having a clear path and a team that you can absolutely trust. So when it came to getting the best mortgage, we chose PennyMac. PennyMac is proud to be the official mortgage provider of Team USA and you

[George Severis]

learn more at pennymac.com pennymac loan services llc/housing lender nmls id 35953 licensed by the Department of Financial Protection and Innovation under the California Residential Mortgage Lending Act. Conditions and restrictions may apply.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway. It's cough cold and flu season. Do not get caught feeling under the weather. Get back to feeling good with savings on all your cold and flu Essentials. Now through February 24th. Shop in store or online to stock up and save on items like Mucinex, Fast Max Liquid Gels, Vicks, Dayquil and nyquil Combo packs, hulls, cough drops and Tylenol. Children's liquid. Offer ends February 24th. Restrictions apply. Offers may vary. Visit albertsons or safeway.com for more details.

[Sam Taggart]

You know what's crazy?

[Chris Fleming]

Oh, I.

[Sam Taggart]

You know, I was thinking this is

[Chris Fleming]

Gilmore Girls are real. It's real.

[Sam Taggart]

It's real.

[Chris Fleming]

I can see Gilmore Girls are real.

[Sam Taggart]

I. I was like, well, it's gonna be the Chris Lemming episode. Let's see what's in the closet. I find an orange sweater and guess what? Stains all over it.

[Chris Fleming]

All over it from drool. Are you spitting up?

[Sam Taggart]

I literally don't know what happened. It's been in the closet for two years. Maybe I don't remember doing anything wrong. And of course I'm just like, great,

[Chris Fleming]

now maybe an open Frappuccino in the car on a bumpy road kind of a thing.

[Sam Taggart]

You know, it's possible there was a little here.

[George Severis]

Orange sweater.

[Chris Fleming]

Orange. I see. I love orange.

[George Severis]

Orange, like an orange, like bright orange. Crew neck.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Chris Fleming]

You've seen it.

[Sam Taggart]

You've seen it.

[George Severis]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Chris Fleming]

You were taking my breath.

[George Severis]

Texas longhorns.

[Sam Taggart]

And then I guess.

[Chris Fleming]

You look like a toy.

[Sam Taggart]

This is a bit toy.

[Chris Fleming]

I want to make you a toy. I can figure that when I see. This is. Ooh, I'm noticing the wrist chain. See this?

[Sam Taggart]

I mean, I thought I could hide it under the table. I thought I could hide it under the table.

[Chris Fleming]

Did you ever flirt with being a hat guy in high school?

[Sam Taggart]

No. Not till. For a day. Not till my twenties did I experiment with hats.

[Chris Fleming]

I tried one day and yeah, I knew.

[Sam Taggart]

My head didn't grow. People talk about your frontal.

[George Severis]

My head didn't grow right.

[Sam Taggart]

My head didn't grow right. So people talk about your frontal lobe not being fully developed.

[Chris Fleming]

People have been saying this.

[Sam Taggart]

My head wasn't the right size till I was about 25.

[George Severis]

So you had small head, big body.

[Sam Taggart]

So I had like a men, black, alien kind of. People would go, no, that's not right. But then 25. Something switched suddenly.

[George Severis]

Huge head.

[Sam Taggart]

Head, perfect size, perfect size.

[Chris Fleming]

I love George's very. Like, when he. It's a very. It's a very. It's a warm blanket. When George agrees.

[Sam Taggart]

Yes, yes.

[Chris Fleming]

When he agrees with it. And I've seen clips where. Whereas Taggart will be like, well, sometimes

[George Severis]

the guest doesn't give Sam enough credit.

[Chris Fleming]

And I'm like, your gentle parenting of Tiger is really nice.

[George Severis]

There was an extra moment like that with K. Perlant where I think it's a clip that you say something.

[Sam Taggart]

I made a joke. And she goes.

[George Severis]

And she just keeps going. And I'm like, that's really smart

[Chris Fleming]

because, I mean, Taggart ended up in a bassinet on George's doorstep.

[Sam Taggart]

The white nurse.

[Chris Fleming]

Of course, the clips that I see

[George Severis]

kiss from AAU's blasting from the internal speakers of the bassinet. There were little speakers on the bassinet. Head. Smallest head I've ever seen, by the way.

[Chris Fleming]

Wait, before we get back to that JB Bluetooth speakers, hear me out on this. I may be wrong.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay?

[Chris Fleming]

You know how when you see an old guy playing the trumpet outside?

[Sam Taggart]

Of course.

[Chris Fleming]

That's so sweet. That's just the Greatest Generation's Bluetooth speaker. That's just a guy at A lake. That's his Bluetooth speaker.

[George Severis]

Yeah. That really. Perspective. Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, so it's annoying.

[Chris Fleming]

It's a nuisance. We're supposed to be like. And like a little guy playing the trumpet.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Chris Fleming]

That's the Greatest Generations JBL flip. Okay.

[George Severis]

But here's the flip side of that. At least the Greatest Generation is creating something rather than just curating, because the millennial Gen Z version of that is Stereo Love. Or even, frankly, the Gen X version of that, which is, of course, iconic. Holding up the boombox.

[Sam Taggart]

That's fun.

[George Severis]

So all you're doing is choosing, like, the idea that your personality is making a mixtape.

[Chris Fleming]

And at least Gen X is doing a show.

[George Severis]

Gen X. Oh, it's hard. Yes. Gen X is holding up the boombox.

[Sam Taggart]

Greatest Generation.

[Chris Fleming]

Greatest Generation trumpet instrument.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, also, the trumpet, of course, is Greatest Generation because it's kind of. They learned it in the military.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Back to war.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

And they're like, damn, I miss war.

[George Severis]

Here's a question, though.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Now we're at Gen Z. The equivalent is. So a lot of people have been asking, and then it's you doing a TikTok in public. At least you're creating something new rather

[Chris Fleming]

than the masses could see.

[Sam Taggart]

They're back to the Greatest Generation.

[George Severis]

We're kind of back to the Greatest Generation.

[Sam Taggart]

This is a reboot.

[George Severis]

You're creating content.

[Chris Fleming]

Whoa. They're generative again.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. Wow.

[Chris Fleming]

But okay, but back to your gentle parenting of Taggart.

[Sam Taggart]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Chris Fleming]

Taggart will be going on about, like, how New York is a 24 and LA is neon. And then George will be going. And George will be like the dad and call me by your name. That's like. It'll cut to George, and Taggart's peripheral will go to George, and he'll keep going about how he misses pret. A manger. And George is going to.

[George Severis]

Damn.

[Sam Taggart]

Damn, it's sweet.

[George Severis]

Do you feel like Sam. Do you feel like Sam gives me the same level of support or.

[Chris Fleming]

No, no, no. He doesn't even realize. No, no, no, no, no, no. It's a very you. I mean, obviously you give George something.

[Sam Taggart]

I give George support.

[Chris Fleming]

But. But, but, but you're not gentle parenting George. You're getting gentle parents by parented by George.

[George Severis]

I'm parent top and you're a parent bot.

[Sam Taggart]

I'm a child.

[Chris Fleming]

You're a child.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Chris Fleming]

He's baby.

[George Severis]

He's your baby.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, that's tough. But of course it's tough. You know what's scary is, like, you know, obviously we're putting out podcasts every week for the last six years. Don't throw up. And then swallow, swallow, swallow it. No. Okay, so we're putting out podcasts every day for the last six years.

[George Severis]

Well, not every day.

[Sam Taggart]

Twice a day. Twice a day. Twice a day. Twice a day.

[George Severis]

Twice a day.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

We have morning and then the evening.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Chris Fleming]

You're gonna have a nervous breakdown.

[Sam Taggart]

No, no, no, it's good, it's good.

[Chris Fleming]

You're gonna occupy a state building.

[Sam Taggart]

No, it's good, it's good. And then we're putting out clips on top of this. And you know, someone who, you know, knows us, I say, you know, I don't actually know what your perception of sort of the output is like to

[Chris Fleming]

me, I'm like, well, I'm telling you,

[Sam Taggart]

I'm like, no, it's. And hearing it back is actually the

[Chris Fleming]

most terrify, which is why I could never have a podcast, because I can only handle being seen in a controlled way. And then if you're doing the long form, you lose all control.

[George Severis]

Well, you did something to me that was wildly offensive, which is then I. Yeah.

[Chris Fleming]

I'm not surprised to hear this.

[George Severis]

When we first met, I, in conversation was like, you know, I started in Boston. I started at the Comedy Studio, which is where you also started. And you were clearly shocked to find out I'm not merely a podcaster and I am, in fact, a working standup comedian.

[Sam Taggart]

I would actually like to double this. It was kind of. To both of us.

[Chris Fleming]

Listen, listen. That was in a hotel lobby.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Chris Fleming]

I think. I think I was in a. I was a little manic that day. I think we were avoiding seeing somebody.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, we were avoiding seeing a lot of people. We were there for a San Francisco sketch fest.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Chris Fleming]

And I finally found someone I wanted to talk to, so I was like. So a lot was coming out.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chris Fleming]

I think I made you almost miss your flight. Like, I was talking your ear off. And I apologize.

[George Severis]

It was one of our favorite. Of course, except for that microaggression that I just mentioned. One of our favorite memories from the

[Chris Fleming]

weekend, like, you guys logging your favorite movie.

[George Severis]

You were like. And you did comedy there. Like, you weren't just the patron.

[Chris Fleming]

It's. And I know. And seeing clips from your. From your special.

[George Severis]

Yes.

[Chris Fleming]

So funny.

[George Severis]

Thank you.

[Chris Fleming]

This is also. It's surprising because that I can do comedy. No, you're. You're doing it in a way, in a very 70s way where you're not even raising your voice on stage. You're. You're. It's a very calming home. Unusual. Jenk. Yeah. No, Jenkins was the club that both

[George Severis]

Chris and I came up at.

[Sam Taggart]

Did he insist on keeping a quiet voice?

[George Severis]

No, no.

[Chris Fleming]

He insisted on the most authentic version of yourself.

[George Severis]

And.

[Chris Fleming]

And he was like a polygraph for any type of inauthenticity?

[George Severis]

Yes, completely. Completely.

[Chris Fleming]

So he's bred all these like, either freaks or like people who are just very like, doing it in the.

[George Severis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chris Fleming]

How Mitt Romney.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

How cruel was he when, like, you would be inauthentic? What was the punishment he was.

[Chris Fleming]

He would get. It was more just like you wanted his approval.

[George Severis]

You really did.

[Chris Fleming]

You wouldn't hear it directly.

[George Severis]

I was desperate for his approval.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah. And he knew exactly how to microdose it. And like, if someone would do crowd work. This is pre crowd work.

[George Severis]

You can't do crowd work.

[Chris Fleming]

He would punch the crow. He would punch what was called the crow's nest in the back. He would punch the wall. Cause he hated. He was so far ahead of. Ahead of the curve. But that being so all that to say, you just do it in a way, like, you know, okay, I would argue that it's bad if I was like, oh, yeah, I imagine he does stand up.

[George Severis]

No, that's true. That's true.

[Sam Taggart]

That's interesting.

[George Severis]

I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying.

[Chris Fleming]

I don't think it's a good thing to be able to identify a stand up completely.

[Sam Taggart]

That's a really good point.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

I think it's always complicated when we meet new people in our journey.

[Chris Fleming]

No, I bet.

[Sam Taggart]

Because we're like, you weren't there for the last nine to ten years.

[Chris Fleming]

Right?

[Sam Taggart]

Like, it's like, but I was in New York.

[Chris Fleming]

No, And I see, I see you wrestling with this. I see, I see you sometimes kind of getting quiet and pumping yourself up, remembering that you.

[Sam Taggart]

I'm like, they don't remember 2017. They don't remember 2017.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[George Severis]

Well, sometimes I go. Even I'm like, let's get one thing straight. I'm not gay. I'm a comedian.

[Chris Fleming]

Totally, totally. Wow. Look how I'm using this Twitter full as well. This is as long as this thing can get.

[George Severis]

And they.

[Chris Fleming]

And that's why the alarm's going off outside. It's never been this long.

[Sam Taggart]

We need to talk about your relationship. Relationship to the microphone.

[George Severis]

You are really struggling with the microphone.

[Sam Taggart]

I would say as soon as they told you you're allowed to move it around, you said, I'm gonna move this around more than Anyone has ever moved anything around.

[Chris Fleming]

Here's the thing you gotta know about me. I'm uncomfortable in spaces.

[George Severis]

Oh.

[Chris Fleming]

I freak out in space.

[George Severis]

That's why I move into closed spaces or any space.

[Chris Fleming]

It takes me a while to understand. Like, I'm always like, I hate an Airbnb whenever I get there. And then by the end, I'm like,

[Sam Taggart]

you don't wanna leave.

[Chris Fleming]

Exactly.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Chris Fleming]

What is that?

[Sam Taggart]

You fall in love.

[Chris Fleming]

I fall completely in love.

[George Severis]

What is your ideal space?

[Chris Fleming]

A space that I just know. I don't care if it's jail. I just need to. I need to know it.

[Sam Taggart]

How often do you move?

[Chris Fleming]

Never.

[Sam Taggart]

When was the last time you moved?

[Chris Fleming]

20. 19. Oh, 2019. I still haven't recovered.

[Sam Taggart]

Really?

[Chris Fleming]

Oh, I wrote a letter to every room in that house and read it directly. Really? Oh, yeah. I'm a Nostalgia 3.

[Sam Taggart]

Damn.

[George Severis]

That's interesting.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, that's interesting.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

What was.

[Chris Fleming]

I could see you moving and not even.

[George Severis]

That's actually. That's not true at all.

[Chris Fleming]

Don't even.

[George Severis]

No. Sam is very. Sam is very sentimental about Morning.

[Sam Taggart]

Leaving my Bushwick apartment.

[Chris Fleming]

This support.

[George Severis]

And. And I also want to say Sam's

[Chris Fleming]

very, very sentimental about spaces. While Taggart's screaming and George is. Sam is very sentimental.

[George Severis]

Well, Sam was.

[Chris Fleming]

Don't even.

[George Severis]

Sam did this thing where he was planning on moving to New York in February or March. And so then I said, I'm gonna actually be in LA for all of January to do some recordings. And then Sam said, okay, well, we can't move in February if George is visiting in January. Cause I can't be packing while George is visiting.

[Sam Taggart]

That's true, though.

[Chris Fleming]

That's maturity.

[Sam Taggart]

That's true.

[Chris Fleming]

That's maturity. I would never have that.

[George Severis]

But it's also like, that's a true sign of friendship that you're like, oh, yeah. It would materially affect my life.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

I can't be in a state of moving while I also have to entertain my friend.

[Chris Fleming]

No. Flux gotta be in flow. And sure enough, it's gotta be in flow. Yeah.

[George Severis]

I can't imagine coming over to watch Drag Race boxes everywhere. I'd say, get me out of there.

[Sam Taggart]

It would be a nightmare. It would be a downright nightmare.

[Chris Fleming]

Being in a nether zone, being in that limbo.

[Sam Taggart]

And the way I would be weird the whole month. The whole month. I have to have myself grounded.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

If I don't have a routine. Oh, I get so cranky.

[Chris Fleming]

What's your routine right now?

[Sam Taggart]

Well, I guess give me the morning.

[George Severis]

Give me the morning around his gym,

[Sam Taggart]

I wake up and I. At around 8 and I get my ass to the gym as fast as possible.

[George Severis]

Now the gym also has a co working space. So if you can imagine, he stays at the gym for another eight hours.

[Chris Fleming]

A co working space.

[Sam Taggart]

This gym.

[Chris Fleming]

You know, I've only been in one gym.

[George Severis]

Talk about being attached to a space.

[Chris Fleming]

I've only been in one gym in my life.

[Sam Taggart]

Which one?

[Chris Fleming]

In college. It's Gibmore.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay.

[Chris Fleming]

And I went in and everyone's like, hey, I. I don't think, I don't think you should be.

[George Severis]

And yet you're similar to me. The.

[Sam Taggart]

Are you doing Pilates? Are you stretching?

[Chris Fleming]

I'm literally doing nothing.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Really?

[George Severis]

Yeah, really.

[Chris Fleming]

I mean, I walk my dogs.

[Sam Taggart]

Do you stretch?

[Chris Fleming]

I stretch. I bathe.

[George Severis]

Oh, bathing. Bathing is great for muscle mass. I mean, to me, a gym at Skidmore College is the space where you would sort of come alive.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah, well, I think that was the problem I had.

[George Severis]

Just doing jumping jacks. Doing jumping jacks. Jacks in overalls.

[Chris Fleming]

I didn't know what to do in the space.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Chris Fleming]

Oh, I took. But I. I was doing a lot of dance. Of course, I don't do dance anymore. Really.

[George Severis]

So I don't know. One could say your performances are choreographed.

[Chris Fleming]

I was fishing. I was deep sea fishing for that.

[George Severis]

Yeah, yeah. And honey, you. You caught something.

[Sam Taggart]

The support goes both ways.

[George Severis]

That's right.

[Chris Fleming]

Yes.

[George Severis]

Should we do our first segment to literally get it out of the way or should we skip the.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, wait, no, we should do it.

[Chris Fleming]

Okay. I love a segment.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh my God. Okay. Our first segment is called Straight Shooters. And in this segment we're going to ask you a series of rapid fire questions. It's basically this thing or this other thing. And the only rule is you can't ask any follow up questions or we will get so freaking upset and George's warm blanket of support will be pulled out.

[Chris Fleming]

The forbidden fruit of that is really. That's making it hard. Okay, okay. I can. So you want me to just give one word?

[George Severis]

Answer is a question.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay. Chris.

[George Severis]

Shit.

[Sam Taggart]

Do you ever feel like a plastic bag?

[Chris Fleming]

Yes.

[Sam Taggart]

This new facial peel can reverse the sag.

[George Severis]

Oh, that's good. Plastic bag slouching towards Bethlehem or vouching for Eminem?

[Chris Fleming]

Vouching for Eminem.

[Sam Taggart]

The harmless Steve Carell or the marvelous Ms. Maisel?

[Chris Fleming]

Neither.

[George Severis]

My dinner with Andre or Come hither compadre.

[Chris Fleming]

Come hither compadre.

[Sam Taggart]

Joining the US Navy or coining the phrase wavy.

[Chris Fleming]

Obviously wavy.

[George Severis]

Hyper. Ballad by Bjork or pasta salad with a fork.

[Chris Fleming]

Hyper ballad by Bjork. I go through all this before you wake up. I throw things off the. I mean, that song, I have never. I've never actually. Crazy. I've never related to the song until that song.

[George Severis]

Really? Yes. The idea that someone could say the word cutlery in a pop song.

[Chris Fleming]

Oh, it's unbelievable.

[George Severis]

No one had done it before.

[Chris Fleming]

It is. It is. Have you seen Robin singing it?

[George Severis]

Yes.

[Chris Fleming]

And Bjork just being like, stonefish face. I do that before every show to P myself up. Really? If Robin can do this.

[George Severis]

Amazing. Yeah.

[Chris Fleming]

And it's.

[George Severis]

You've seen it, right?

[Chris Fleming]

No, it's not.

[George Severis]

It's Robin performing hyper ballad at a tribute to Bjork. So Bjork is in the audience watching. And Robin. It's so clear that Bjork is her idol and she's like, so excited to sing it. And Bjork is literally like, yeah, but

[Chris Fleming]

she's enjoying it, but she just can't. That's. That's how she emotes.

[George Severis]

You know Sam's theory about Bjork?

[Chris Fleming]

I don't.

[George Severis]

That she is faking it. Hates aging.

[Chris Fleming]

Hates aging.

[Sam Taggart]

I think she hates aging.

[Chris Fleming]

Like, anybody. What are you talking about?

[Sam Taggart]

More than normal.

[George Severis]

It's like. Like a lot of the things she's doing where she's doing, like a fake face and AI.

[Sam Taggart]

I actually think she's not weird. She just is, like, trying to hide her face.

[George Severis]

She's literally trying to hide her face.

[Sam Taggart]

Like, she's like this album's mushrooms. And it's like, no, you just wanted to wear a mushroom hat and hide your face.

[George Severis]

Kind of an opposite narrative from Sia, who stopped wearing big wig and is now proudly aging.

[Chris Fleming]

Wait, we can see Sia now?

[George Severis]

Yes. She's at Kathy Griffin's every single day.

[Chris Fleming]

No.

[George Severis]

Yeah, she's not wearing big bangs.

[Sam Taggart]

She hasn't left in the tank.

[Chris Fleming]

And she was super googleable before the. That was like a six month period of anonymity.

[George Severis]

It was two album cycles.

[Chris Fleming]

You saying this about Bjork? You're getting your passport taken away. I hope you're ready.

[George Severis]

Best of luck vacationing in Iceland.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah, I hope you're cool with that.

[Sam Taggart]

I want her to talk to my therapist who will install so much support and she will feel so in control.

[Chris Fleming]

But I think if you think your therapist is everything that therapist had blocked your number so fast.

[George Severis]

Also, I think reviewing the podcast Half a Star.

[Sam Taggart]

I mean, like the one like the music video where she's like, with Rosalia and she like, De aged herself.

[George Severis]

No, this is.

[Chris Fleming]

She's the Irishman. But no, she wanted to see Saw the Irishman. She wanted to do the original.

[Sam Taggart]

Check out that technology.

[Chris Fleming]

It's her favorite movie.

[George Severis]

She.

[Chris Fleming]

Okay, this is interesting to me. She said something in like the 90s that was like. The reason she's like. The reason my stuff is weird is I'm just trying to be American, but I'm from Iceland and it's weird over here.

[Sam Taggart]

It's like.

[Chris Fleming]

She's like, we don't understand this stuff. Yeah, this is art and it's like the game of telephone. No, I like that they're trying to. It's. I. It's like, oh, you're not even. You're not even going for that. Yeah, but you're hitting the chin on, on the, on the pool when you're trying to be the Rolling Stones. And that's how art gets made.

[George Severis]

Right? Well, it is true. It's like Sugar. Sugar. Sugar Ray.

[Sam Taggart]

That's what I was. Ray thought they were doing the Beatles.

[Chris Fleming]

Crasher came around.

[George Severis]

No, in fact, Sugar Rose thought they were doing Sugar Ray.

[Chris Fleming]

Right, right. Sugar Rose. I bet, I bet you would read something with. From them if they stopped speaking a made up language. Yeah. Which they do, right? I think I seen a made up language.

[Sam Taggart]

No, they do.

[Chris Fleming]

And I. I bet they would be like, yeah, we saw Shrek and we.

[Ryan Seacrest]

We.

[George Severis]

Somebody wants.

[Chris Fleming]

We really said we got to start making music.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Chris Fleming]

And that's their attempt at smash mouth.

[George Severis]

Wait, I have one more.

[Sam Taggart]

Me too. Oh, okay. Fidget spinner or chicken dinner?

[Chris Fleming]

Chicken dinner.

[George Severis]

Just the tip. Let her rip. Or should we flip?

[Chris Fleming]

Should we flip?

[Sam Taggart]

Nice. Yeah, those are.

[Chris Fleming]

Those are funny.

[Sam Taggart]

That was an interesting performance. Thank you.

[George Severis]

That was an interesting performance.

[Sam Taggart]

That was an interesting performance by you guys.

[George Severis]

No. Yes.

[Chris Fleming]

See, that's the question. What is a performance? What is a podcast? What is a performance? Well, yeah.

[George Severis]

Do you think we've gone too far in terms of, like, performance? Calling things performative, like, things being a performance. I think it's almost a rhetorical crutch. It's like, what if. Here's a challenge. Don't think of everything as a performance. What now?

[Chris Fleming]

What's interesting and what's not interesting?

[George Severis]

Completely.

[Chris Fleming]

That's how I would.

[George Severis]

And also have the courage to be like, what I am saying is actually a reflection of who I am and not a performance.

[Chris Fleming]

I struggle with this. I do think I. I sometimes feel like when someone's saying, I'm always trying to suss out. Ingenuous. Disingenuous.

[George Severis]

Yes. Me, too.

[Chris Fleming]

And it's torturous.

[Sam Taggart]

The Boston and you guys.

[George Severis]

Yeah, no, completely.

[Chris Fleming]

Did you grow up in Boston?

[George Severis]

No, not at all. Well, it's.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, God, no.

[George Severis]

Funnily enough, I was born there, but it was sort of like a coincidence. Like, I mean, honestly, flying over, in a way. No, I was born there and lived for, like, a few months there and then didn't. I didn't come back until I was, like, in my 20s, and I lived there for two years, and that's when I started comedy.

[Chris Fleming]

That makes sense.

[George Severis]

But it is, weirdly, a very important location in my biography. But I'm not a Bostonian.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah, but you grew up there in Central Mass, like, a rural area, where. When the Ubers take me there.

[George Severis]

Janet Planet.

[Chris Fleming]

What?

[George Severis]

Have you seen that movie Janet Planet? Oh, no, but that's in Western Mass, I guess.

[Chris Fleming]

Is that Allison?

[George Severis]

Annie Baker?

[Chris Fleming]

I'm always on JetBlue. They're always, like, always all. My mom's clicking it. But then I always watch Dirty Dancing.

[George Severis]

That's what you always watch?

[Chris Fleming]

Oh, yeah. Real whiplash. If I'm feeling Alpha, I have a memory.

[George Severis]

Early memory of, like, you know, like, early memory knowing someone's gay. We were on a flight, and this flight attendant. It was back when there were no personal screens on the plane. It was.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

And he, like, switched. And I was always so excited to see what's the next movie gonna be? And I said, what movie are we putting on? And he turns to me and he goes, dirty Dancing. Two Havana Nights.

[Sam Taggart]

And suddenly you're like, I know a gay.

[George Severis]

I was like, wait, I'm gay.

[Chris Fleming]

Was it Richard Perez?

[George Severis]

It was Richard Perez. Yeah.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Sorry, what were we talking about?

[Sam Taggart]

What were we talking about? Performance and whether or not things are performances.

[Chris Fleming]

But also, you guys are also the only polite podcast I've never seen. In a podcast, another person apologize. I'm sorry. I've never seen that before on a podcast.

[George Severis]

Well, that's why we'll never get ahead.

[Sam Taggart]

I mean, honestly, when you watch clips, we're being respectful and waiting for the other person to finish talking. And as a viewer, you're like, why aren't they speaking? It's like, we are actually really comfortable being like, keep going. And being like, what else did we want to. And it's like, that's not really how podcasts work. We're actually doing sort of if everything's a performance, we're like the one podcast that's not doing a performance where we're just like, no, really?

[Chris Fleming]

You go in the scene and Meet somewhere when all the women are facing

[George Severis]

each other, completely crying.

[Sam Taggart]

Especially in this study.

[George Severis]

Midsommaro is a huge inspiration for the podcast that came out right before we launched the podcast. I think, actually, that tracks.

[Chris Fleming]

I know. People feel it.

[Sam Taggart]

People feel it.

[Chris Fleming]

Oh, yeah. I mean, that movie. Here's my problem with him.

[George Severis]

With Ari. Yeah.

[Chris Fleming]

Don't give me that. Don't give me that feeling.

[George Severis]

Huge Eddington fan over here. Sam Tagger, of course.

[Chris Fleming]

Oh, my. The Katy Perry. I was on my.

[Sam Taggart]

That was fun.

[George Severis]

Well, that was amazing.

[Sam Taggart]

That was good.

[Chris Fleming]

That's. I think you kept it small. The slap while Katy Perry's getting louder and louder. That's like Kiss From a Rose. How loud that was. That's Tiger Smith.

[Sam Taggart]

That was very. Kiss from a Rose. That.

[Chris Fleming]

To me. Let's just stop there. Roll credits. Maybe a couple of bloopers. Also, Joaquim. Challenge. Play someone normal.

[Sam Taggart]

Play someone normal. Talk about performance.

[Chris Fleming]

Let's see.

[George Severis]

Let's.

[Chris Fleming]

You know what? Impress me. Show me a her again, Joaquim, and then impress. I don't need to see you falling on pavement in every movie.

[Sam Taggart]

I want him to be like a sitcom dad. Like, I want him to be in Modern Family. He's the new Phil Dunphy.

[Chris Fleming]

That would blow my. That would blow my hair back.

[George Severis]

That would be amazing.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, that would be so huge. That's range. Like, I don't need to see you be joker a hundred times.

[Chris Fleming]

No.

[George Severis]

Well, you know the one thing you couldn't do play a gay guy. He famously dropped out of that Todd Haynes movie and then got into a fight with Christine Vachon of killer films.

[Chris Fleming]

A fist fight.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

He actually punched her in the face.

[Sam Taggart]

But he was being the joker, so

[George Severis]

it's being the joker. He was still in character as a joker. Yeah, The Joker was like, I won't be gay and then punch her in the face.

[Chris Fleming]

Remember the Joker?

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, brother. Wait, what was your beef with Ari Aster?

[Ryan Seacrest]

The begin.

[Chris Fleming]

The beginning.

[George Severis]

Of that. Of any movie or of Midsommar.

[Chris Fleming]

Midsommar. The short film? No, no, the horror. The movie's horror. Enough. We don't. I guess you could say we need it to anchor them, but you know what I'm saying. What happened in the beginning?

[George Severis]

I don't remember the beginning. Tell me.

[Chris Fleming]

I don't want to go. No, don't bring. No, Your listeners. They can't handle it.

[Sam Taggart]

You guys can't handle this.

[Chris Fleming]

No. You don't need to think about it.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, you know what my beef is with Ari.

[Chris Fleming]

No.

[Sam Taggart]

Midsommar. How am I supposed to say that? Midsommar.

[Chris Fleming]

People laugh when I say midsommar.

[Sam Taggart]

Midsommar.

[George Severis]

Midsommar.

[Chris Fleming]

People say midsommar.

[George Severis]

People say midsommar.

[Sam Taggart]

I don't like Midsummer.

[Chris Fleming]

It's like saying Melbourne. Like, I had a manager who would do the Australian accent just for Melbourne. Yeah, Melbourne. Like, you know, you don't have to do that.

[Sam Taggart]

I mean, it's like Chile. Like, do I say Chile?

[Chris Fleming]

Right?

[Sam Taggart]

I'm like, I do, but it makes me feel like an asshole.

[Chris Fleming]

Of course. My thing is I go phonetic.

[Sam Taggart]

Do you to try?

[Chris Fleming]

Because I don't want to.

[Sam Taggart]

So you say chile.

[George Severis]

Chile. Oh, I'm going to Chile. Yeah.

[Chris Fleming]

I say, I'm going to Chile. Don't mind me. I'm going to Chile.

[Sam Taggart]

Y'.

[Chris Fleming]

All don't wait up. I'm going back to Chile.

[Sam Taggart]

Mm.

[George Severis]

Well, you know, my version of this is when I moved to America, I heard someone say Notre Dame about the university. And I was like, okay, got it. That's how they say that in English. And so then I was like, you know, in Paris, the Notre Dame. And someone goes, it's Notre Dame. I was like, I know.

[Chris Fleming]

I thought I was doing it.

[Sam Taggart]

Yes, you were being Bjork.

[George Severis]

I was being Bjork. Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Wow.

[George Severis]

Wait, okay, back to the performance thing. Here's what makes it complicated, because before we were kind of developing this binary where performance on the one end, earnestness not being disingenuous on the other end. But I don't think it's that simple. I think a performance can be authentic to who you are or it can be disingenuous to who you are.

[Chris Fleming]

Right. Cause otherwise we would all just be like, yes, exactly.

[George Severis]

Like you're. You have a very performance based style of comedy that is authentic to who you are.

[Chris Fleming]

How dare you.

[George Severis]

Which is clown like you.

[Chris Fleming]

Come to my morning radio.

[George Severis]

Listen, you're on. You're in the Kathy Griffin room.

[Chris Fleming]

George.

[Sam Taggart]

George.

[George Severis]

What I do here is I tell people who they are.

[Sam Taggart]

Chris thinks he's literally Louis C.K.

[George Severis]

by the way. I started a comedy studio, right? Louis ck.

[Chris Fleming]

Well, he saved it. He, like, saved it. Was gonna go on out of business, and he saved it.

[George Severis]

Oh, thank you. You know, he's not. No, no.

[Chris Fleming]

I mean, are you. The performative stuff is mostly about performative men right now. Right. I think that's.

[George Severis]

Well, that's the other thing is like, people using the word performative incorrectly, which we just have to not be mad about it because there's no going back. There's no putting the genie back in the bottle. One of my favorite phrases, by the way, the visual also.

[Sam Taggart]

It does go back in, right?

[George Severis]

No. Yeah, of course.

[Chris Fleming]

There was a word. The genie has to go back in the bottle.

[George Severis]

Yeah. Otherwise there'd be just genies everywhere. Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Sort of weird.

[George Severis]

That's its home.

[Sam Taggart]

It goes back. I actually like when I'm not performing, though. I'm not fun to be around. You know, like when I'm home and, like, if no one's watching me, I

[Chris Fleming]

don't even want to see that.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, it's horrible.

[Chris Fleming]

Same. You don't want to see this.

[Sam Taggart]

I don't want to see that.

[Chris Fleming]

You don't want to see my bath face. I was. Okay, when you're taking a bath. When I was in college, a group of young women during orientation. I don't know why I did this, but I took a bath during our orientation with a group of young women. No, they all kind of. So this was. It was a camping trip, and we had one night, and this was first night, and I should have been socializing. I was like, I need a bath. And so I went into the bathroom and I bathed and I guess. And three women kind of did the whole stacking thing.

[Sam Taggart]

Wow.

[Chris Fleming]

Peeking through a. Through a little keyhole. And they saw me nude.

[Sam Taggart]

I love Skidmore.

[George Severis]

There were bathtubs in the dorm bathroom.

[Chris Fleming]

This was in the Adirondacks for. For an orientation.

[Sam Taggart]

We had to go camping together in the Adirondacks.

[George Severis]

You took a bath at the orientation trip?

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah. Night one. I.

[Sam Taggart]

This is so crazy.

[Chris Fleming]

This is how. Yeah. In hindsight. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[George Severis]

That's. That's like a core character moment.

[Chris Fleming]

I. I know, I know. And they saw me. They saw my nude form, and I was more concerned that they saw my bath fa. That they saw me neutral.

[Sam Taggart]

Can you try to give it.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah, Yeah.

[George Severis]

I can see it. Yeah.

[Chris Fleming]

For that to be out.

[George Severis]

No, that's tough.

[Chris Fleming]

I'm burning these mini DVs or whatever. Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Leak the tapes.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah. No, we have to be doing something.

[Sam Taggart]

I need two people to be watching me at all times. This is why I go to the gym. This is why I go to the co Working space. Because if two people aren't watching me

[Chris Fleming]

at all times, you need a chaperone.

[Sam Taggart]

I get bad.

[Chris Fleming]

You melt. Yes. Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

I rot.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah. You ever see Howl's Moving Castle? You know, the witch from the west, or how she starts melting over the movie and they never mention it? You know, Miyazaki's always pulling that shit.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, he's always pulling that shit.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Chris Fleming]

I catch all of a Sudd. Siegel.

[Sam Taggart]

And don't start it.

[Chris Fleming]

I won't.

[Sam Taggart]

I won't.

[Chris Fleming]

We don't. We don't have the. We don't have the time. And I don't want you trash in this beautiful studio. Yeah, no, no. I think Massachusetts is all about my family. The Hale side, my mom's side, I think were very presentational. I think my dad's side, they're authentic people. But I think we got the snake's blood, and I think that's why am a performer. I think we know how to put on our best versions of ourselves.

[George Severis]

Yeah, well, that's the other thing. Put on your idea of the best version of yourself.

[Chris Fleming]

See, that's right. And I'm a bad judge, so I could be putting on the worst version of myself.

[George Severis]

It's like when you see someone being super, super, super fake, and it's like, self, evidently, this person is being fake, but that person is. There's something so deeply touching about it because that person. Person has created this Persona they think is the best version, and it's actually the most annoying Persona you've ever seen in your life.

[Chris Fleming]

I even feel this way about liars. I am friends with a few pathological liars.

[Sam Taggart]

Really?

[George Severis]

I don't think I know any people who aren't pathological liars in our industry.

[Chris Fleming]

You get to. They don't even. These are just civilians. Wow. And you learn that they're trying to communicate something to you through each lie. And there's something beautiful about.

[Sam Taggart]

It's just.

[Chris Fleming]

It's like learning another language. It's a fun little exercise. You're like, I know you didn't. I was completely.

[George Severis]

Completely.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

It makes things more exciting. It's like communicating through a language barrier with someone. It's like you're communicating with someone, and it's their second language. But your first language. It kind of goes back to the Bjork thing, to be honest.

[Sam Taggart]

It's the Bjork thing.

[Chris Fleming]

It's their morning pages.

[Sam Taggart]

I mean, she's lying every time. She is. What's on?

[George Severis]

Silly costume. By speaking English.

[Chris Fleming]

You guys hate Bjork.

[Sam Taggart]

I love Bjork.

[Chris Fleming]

No, I love Bjork.

[Sam Taggart]

I just think she needs. She's not at peace.

[Chris Fleming]

You want to save New York?

[Sam Taggart]

Yes, I want to save New York.

[George Severis]

No, that's exactly it.

[Chris Fleming]

And the same way that it's like a. See, this is scary. When someone wants to save a celebrity, that's usually. What was the Jodie Foster that was impressing Jodie Foster?

[George Severis]

I'm also like, I'm like, you know what to do. And it's not creating an app. Again, like, why are you creating app? She's always making apps. She's basically a full stack developer at this point.

[Chris Fleming]

Technology is advancing. I mean, we saw it with Gen Xers on Twitter disgracing themselves that technology is advancing too fast in a way where each generation, like, I mean, I'm gonna absolutely disgrace myself in three, two years from now by trying to do whatever the next thing is.

[George Severis]

Yeah, well, let's see how the rest of this day goes.

[Chris Fleming]

Oh, exactly, exactly. And it's not Bjork. Bjork. I didn't know she was doing AI.

[Sam Taggart]

I don't know she's doing AI.

[George Severis]

No, I just mean she. Well, first of all, it's not AI. I'm not accusing her of doing ChatGPT or doing anything.

[Chris Fleming]

Have you ever looked at ChatGPT? I've never even seen ChatGPT, so I have once.

[George Severis]

Okay, I can't get. Basically I was writing something and I wrote it. I was like outlining an idea and then I said, no, no, no, I said, I went to ChatGPT and I said I wanted to compare what I had written with what it would have come up with to convince myself that I am worth something as an artist. Like, I had like act one, act two. And then I thought of what I want act three to be.

[Chris Fleming]

You're writing a play.

[George Severis]

It, it's a feature. And so then I went to ChatGPT and I said, what would your Act 3 be? And I was so grateful that it was bad. Like, I was like, oh, my idea was, was better. Yeah. But then you know what I'm thinking? What if it had been better, would I have taken the ChatGPT version? Just passed it off as my own?

[Chris Fleming]

Right, that's a slippery slope.

[George Severis]

Yes.

[Chris Fleming]

But no, you luckily vanquished the robot.

[George Severis]

Yeah, no, I vanished the robot. But no Bjork. I don't know if it would be called AI, but. But the whole. She had this app that was sort of a digital music app that you could create your own. This was like 15 years ago. And then since then she's done other tech central app based things.

[Chris Fleming]

Remember when David Byrne made a whole church? You could go in and play the whole building. You could pull a string and it was like, oh, yeah, it was somewhere in New York.

[George Severis]

That's very Bjork.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[George Severis]

I'm just sort of like, make an out. Make hyper ballad.

[Chris Fleming]

Make post.

[George Severis]

Come on, make post.

[Sam Taggart]

Is that so hard?

[Chris Fleming]

Is that so hard to make hyper ballad. I mean, that war drum.

[George Severis]

Yeah, that snare the way. Oh, you know, it's amazing how we're sort of not allowed to talk about how she's doing, like extremely offensive Asian drag in that one album cover.

[Chris Fleming]

Oh, I want to talk about that.

[George Severis]

Feels like something. It's like, shh, shh, shh.

[Chris Fleming]

I know you are.

[Sam Taggart]

I always gave it the sort of the Icelandic pass. Like, I'm like, I don't know what Iceland is.

[George Severis]

They did. They literally went into Photoshop and made her look Asian.

[Chris Fleming]

That's. Oh, it's so crazy.

[George Severis]

And I'm like, I'm not going to be the one. I don't.

[Chris Fleming]

I think you brought it up. You might be the one. I think you're the one. But I'm like, yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah.

[George Severis]

Yeah. Anyway, we love Bjork.

[Sam Taggart]

Anyway, we love Bjork.

[Chris Fleming]

How do you feel about. It's oh, so quiet.

[George Severis]

I love it's oh so quiet.

[Chris Fleming]

It got me through a long winter.

[George Severis]

Oh, my God.

[Chris Fleming]

Oh, yeah. Oh. So I came in. I. I found Bjork right when I needed to.

[George Severis]

Well, you know, I went. My family and I went to the Athens Olympics opening ceremony and she performed. Didn't know that was gonna happen. Oh, my God. So I saw her in the Giant.

[Sam Taggart]

She did a drop in set.

[George Severis]

No, I think the organizers knew she was gonna perform. I just did it.

[Chris Fleming]

Hey, you mind if I do?

[Sam Taggart]

I just got two songs. Just two songs. And I was like, two songs and 1,000 dancers. Do you mind if I. I open the show?

[Chris Fleming]

Please? Yeah, please. Oh, my God, think about the LA opening ceremony.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, my God, it's gonna be a fucking nightmare.

[Chris Fleming]

It's gonna be like Shane Gillis literally just like talking about traffic with the. Just tiny little beer can in his giant mitt.

[George Severis]

It's gonna be Shane Gillis and then Gwen Stefani, like covering My country, Tis of Thee.

[Chris Fleming]

And they're gonna. Carol Burnett's gonna be somehow dragged into this shit. Lee Greenwood.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Chris Fleming]

It's gonna be a disaster.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, it's disgusting. It's just gonna be so gross.

[Chris Fleming]

Like, do you feel like it keeps getting put. I feel like it's on the horizon in a way that can't ever come. I feel like I think they're adding time each. They're like, oh, yeah, it's the next one. It's the next eight.

[George Severis]

But the thing is, that's how all. That's the thing with the Olympics. That's how it is every time. I just read today that In Milan, they haven't finished building the ice hockey rink and it starts in like two weeks. I. I like that for the Winter Olympics.

[Chris Fleming]

Procrastinating.

[Sam Taggart]

I like that the Olympics is very. That friend who's always like, complete. I'm freaking out. And it's just like, at some point. Why does this always happen to me?

[Chris Fleming]

You had this on your count, on your ical. No.

[George Severis]

For 20 years.

[Sam Taggart]

And everyone's mad at me and there's nothing I can do.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

And you're like, I just asked to get drinks. Like, and they're like,

[Chris Fleming]

that's exactly what it is.

[Sam Taggart]

Cause it's like, how many times do I have to hear about this before you change something?

[Chris Fleming]

And they keep making it our problem, of course. And LAX is like, LAX is emailing us, like, what should we do? Like, they're like, there's construction workers that are just like, they're there. The Olympics is coming. What do we. There's this cement block. It's like they're holding cinder blocks. They're like, maybe if we move JetBlue to Terminal 1, maybe that'll accommodate.

[Sam Taggart]

And then like two weeks later, a zillion people. We're so fucking stupid. Of course JetBlue shouldn't be a terminal one.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah, there's an earth cat.

[Sam Taggart]

Can we push this back? Can we push this back?

[George Severis]

They're emailing. Being like mutual aid needed. In Terminal 4,

[Ad Read Announcer]

Life gets messy spills, stains, head accidents and kid kids chaos. But with anibe, cleaning up is easy. Our sofas are fully machine washable inside and out, so you never have to stress about messes again. Made with liquid and stain resistant fabrics, that means fewer stains and more peace of mind. Designed for real life, our sofas feature changeable fabric covers allowing you to refresh your style anytime. Need flexibility? Our modular design lets you rearrange your sofa effortlessly. Perfect for cozy apartments or spacious homes. Plus they're earth friendly and built to last. That's why over 200,000 happy customers have made the switch. Upgrade your space. Today, sofas start at just $699. Visit washablesofas.com now and bring home a sofa made for life. That's washablesofas.com offers are subject to change and certain restrictions may apply.

[Ad Read Flag Football]

Flag football is exploding and IFLAG is leading the way as the Guinness World Record holder. IFLAG hosts premier flag football tournaments nationwide for boys, girls, high school girls and adults. From first time players to elite competitors, iflag delivers top level competition, unforgettable experiences and a community built around the game. Ready to be part of the Join the movement? Find your tournament and learn [e-mail] that's

[Chris Fleming]

iflag.org hey, this is U.S. olympic gold medalist Tara Davis Woodhull. And I'm U.S. paralympic gold medalist Hunter Woodhull. As athletes, our lives are about having a clear path and a team that you can absolutely trust. So when it came to getting the best mortgage, we chose PennyMac. PennyMac is proud to be the official mortgage provider of Team USA and and

[George Severis]

you learn more at pennymac.com PennyMac Loan Services, LLC, Equal Housing Lender and MLS ID 35953 licensed by the Department of Financial Protection and Innovation under the California Residential Mortgage Lending Act. Conditions and restrictions may apply.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway. Are you feeling those winter blues? Well, do not worry, they've got you covered. With ways to boost your mood, Add a little sweetness to your day. With big savings on all your favorite sweets, shop in store or online and save on items. Items like Gummy Savers, Five Flavors, Reese's Peanut Butter Cup, Sour Patch, Watermelon, M M's Party Size Stand Up Bags, and Ferrero Rocher Mixed Variety squares. Offer ends February 24th. Restrictions apply. Offers may vary. Visit albertsons or safeway.com for more details.

[Sam Taggart]

Do we want to do a straight topic?

[George Severis]

Oh, right.

[Sam Taggart]

Chris, do you have a straight.

[Chris Fleming]

Don't give me that.

[Sam Taggart]

What?

[Chris Fleming]

Don't crisp me right now. How come we were cooking with gas, Taggart?

[Sam Taggart]

It was a nice pause moment.

[Chris Fleming]

No, no, you're right. Okay, okay, I can do it.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay. Do you have a straight topic today? And what is straight about it?

[Chris Fleming]

Okay, okay, okay. This, this is good. I don't know how to communicate this. You're watching a comedy, okay. And they're watching you during the laugh points. They're laughing there. You see what I'm saying?

[Sam Taggart]

So it's like a sitcom.

[Chris Fleming]

We're watching a movie.

[Sam Taggart]

Uh huh.

[George Severis]

And this is great. You have to speak into a mic, Chris.

[Chris Fleming]

And it's this. You're trying to enjoy the movie.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay.

[Chris Fleming]

Anytime I find I'm showing you a movie.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, you're looking for a. Oh, this

[George Severis]

is very showing someone a YouTube video.

[Sam Taggart]

This is very showing.

[George Severis]

Yes. So, okay, I saw Old School with

[Chris Fleming]

my friend Patty Watty and it felt like in that period of time, what he was doing to me, it felt like the time from 8th grade to 10th grade in my mind.

[George Severis]

So that was 90 days. The topic is tracking someone's response when you show them a comedic film Film or piece of content.

[Chris Fleming]

Exactly. That's exactly right.

[George Severis]

That's really.

[Sam Taggart]

This is really interesting one.

[George Severis]

This happened to me with Rat Race, and the person did not like it, and it was my husband, Rut Roe.

[Chris Fleming]

I hate being surveilled. Surveyed. Surveilled.

[Sam Taggart]

Surveilled.

[Chris Fleming]

Being surveilled.

[Sam Taggart]

Being surveyed would be. At the end, you go tell how your experience was watching Rat Race.

[Chris Fleming]

Okay. And anytime I misuse a word, I do need you to tell me what that. What that meaning was. So it's like if you're in the movies, we should have horse blinders.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, it's like urinals. We need the. The blockers. Oh, yeah.

[George Severis]

Unless it's a concert. Do you want to hear other people's laughter? Because that's sort of the whole point of, you know, we come to this place for magic. Like, you know, you want to hear other people reacting, but you don't want to see them.

[Chris Fleming]

Of course. I think that there's no. No, there's like a tasteful, like. But the person who's. Ah, right.

[Sam Taggart]

This is.

[Chris Fleming]

It is exhausting in a way that you Ne. Your body never recovers.

[George Severis]

Yeah, no, no. And the pressure, someone recently.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, it ruins the movie. Of course.

[Chris Fleming]

You can't let them. You want. You want.

[Sam Taggart]

You wanna talk about the performance. You become the performer by the movie. It's not the entertainment. You are.

[George Severis]

Do you wanna know what happened to me recently on this trip in Los Angeles? And I say this with infinite love for this person because I love her to death.

[Chris Fleming]

Who is it but Sean? Yeah.

[George Severis]

Okay. I go over to see her. She's in the midst of editing a short film. She goes, aren't we all?

[Sam Taggart]

Welcome to la.

[George Severis]

And so the second I get there, she's like, do you want to watch it? And I was like, sure. And by the way, I really enjoyed it. I'm, like, happy I watched it.

[Chris Fleming]

But how could you, organically? Because that's what I mean.

[George Severis]

I'm like, if you had sent it to me, I would have watched it. I would have loved it. I would have nearly texted you. Like, this is great. But to be faced with the task of watching it while she's next to me, and it's like knowing exactly how I should react at any given point. But there is no way to authentically

[Chris Fleming]

inform because you're thinking you're in her experience.

[George Severis]

Yes.

[Chris Fleming]

Watching yourself. Yeah. You're fully dissociated. It's traumatizing.

[Sam Taggart]

It's traumatizing.

[Chris Fleming]

The one exception to this, I think, is musicians Playing each other. You hear about, like, Andre 3000 going to listen to, like.

[Sam Taggart]

I mean, when you see these clips of musicians listening to other musicians music. Oh, do you think it's the best song on planet Earth?

[Chris Fleming]

And it's just like, a song that, like, it's a Sam Smith song that you hear when you're deplaning.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. And tears are streaming down their faces.

[George Severis]

Well, it's very Pharrell. Watching Maggie Rogers.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, yes.

[George Severis]

Like, can you be real for one second?

[Chris Fleming]

Speaking of which, Happy, I mean, if I. If my friend released that I'm doing the wellness checks, I'm. I'm not even knocking. I'm speeding over to that house. Happy is a guy with a plan.

[George Severis]

No, it's crazy.

[Chris Fleming]

By the way.

[George Severis]

You know what I was thinking? Most depressing song of all time. We are Young by fun.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, my God.

[Chris Fleming]

You didn't say fun correctly.

[George Severis]

Fun, Period Fun.

[Chris Fleming]

No, you have. It's fun. It's lowercase F, period fun.

[George Severis]

Yeah, so. But it's the layers.

[Chris Fleming]

Like, I've almost flipped my car trying to change the station in 2012. When we are we are young came on.

[George Severis]

No, it's also constantly playing in Ubers.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, we are young by far. Talk about, like, Minions Esque, where I was like, so people are liking this for real? Like, it's on the radio. Like, people are going to see this band.

[Chris Fleming]

Oh, oh, yeah. They were shooting.

[Sam Taggart]

This is launching Jack Antonoff forever.

[Chris Fleming]

Where's the other guy?

[Sam Taggart]

And what happened to the other guy?

[George Severis]

He did a duet with Pink called.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, I know that.

[Chris Fleming]

People ask, who's Pink's audience? It's my hairdresser. Used to go skydiving all the time.

[George Severis]

Pink's audience, by the way, all of the United States of America.

[Sam Taggart]

My mom.

[Chris Fleming]

I got no problem with that.

[George Severis]

You know, she's been a straight topic on our podcast.

[Chris Fleming]

Most girls. Oh, Pink. Oh, my God. The haircut's very straight. That's true. Is it most girls at the song.

[George Severis]

Most girls like the man with the bling. Bling.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, yeah.

[Chris Fleming]

Sexy. Another one.

[Sam Taggart]

That is not where I said that to go.

[Chris Fleming]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[George Severis]

That's your type is hip hop era Pink. Wow, this is huge.

[Chris Fleming]

Chris loves to moonwalk. I learned to moonwalk to this party start.

[George Severis]

Well, get the sporty started is amazing on Kaza. I mean, get the sporty story is also. It's written by Linda Perry, who's such a classic.

[Chris Fleming]

Top hat and braids like an Amy Sherman Paladino.

[George Severis]

Yes. She's literally music's Amy Sherman Palladino.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah, yeah.

[George Severis]

But like a combination of, like, Pink deciding to be white after having a hip hop career, then Linda Perry flowing in with her top hat. It's like the most, like 2001, you know, meeting of minds to ever. And then to make a song called get the Party Started on the album Mizandaz Dud is.

[Chris Fleming]

What'd you say?

[Sam Taggart]

No, this is.

[George Severis]

This is.

[Sam Taggart]

This is the proper. This is midsommar. This is how you're supposed to pronounce it.

[George Severis]

Mizandazdud. It's spelled misunderstood, but misunderstand. It's Z's. And also an A instead of misunderstood.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

And it is an exclamation point.

[Chris Fleming]

But I don't know how to state. Yeah, yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

I don't know how to.

[George Severis]

I guess I would have to be an exclamation point. So it would have to be, like, me sand.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah. It's a full body workout, to say it correctly. Which is like her shows, which is

[Sam Taggart]

a full body workout.

[George Severis]

Well, the era is. Yeah, I mean, it really. She went from hip hop to Mizanda's dude to, like, circus to now kind of like just Target, Walmart.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Chris Fleming]

Well, you know my theory about Target. I think Target is playing. It's every one of our top 25 most played.

[Sam Taggart]

Spotify.

[Chris Fleming]

I walk into Target, they were playing Tom Waits one day.

[Sam Taggart]

They know they're playing.

[Chris Fleming]

They're playing songs. They're playing, like Japanese house. They're playing.

[George Severis]

It's completely hazel English.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah, they're playing stuff that they would have no access to. Had. And then you ask someone else what they're hearing, and they're like, oh, it's the Beatles. Yeah, it's John Lennon's song about the wheels.

[George Severis]

You know, after Let me roll it.

[Chris Fleming]

So you're thinking of the other one. Oh, it's about.

[George Severis]

Let me roll this poem, McCartney.

[Chris Fleming]

Okay. See, I need to know more about the Beatles.

[Sam Taggart]

So it's like that. You know the sign in the airport that, like, only shows your flight info because they, like, scan your face.

[Chris Fleming]

No.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, my God. You guys are gonna love this.

[Chris Fleming]

You're getting this.

[Sam Taggart]

This is a real thing that exists.

[Chris Fleming]

I think you're getting Truman showed, which you would be the best. You'd be the best victim. I would.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Truman Show.

[Chris Fleming]

Thinking about being Truman Show. The Taggart Show.

[George Severis]

Oh, my God. I hate. Yeah, I hate thinking about it, too. You can't think about it, too.

[Chris Fleming]

Let me. Look at me. I'm not. Truman showed.

[Sam Taggart]

Don't Truman.

[Chris Fleming]

Seriously, Taggart. I promise, I'm Not Truman showing you right now.

[George Severis]

Why don't you have a sip of this refreshing polar seltzer and calm down. Laura. Linny.

[Chris Fleming]

Oh, another one.

[Sam Taggart]

Uh huh.

[Chris Fleming]

Another straight thing.

[George Severis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chris Fleming]

Being on a. Okay. Reading the what to expect on your flight emails, have you ever gotten those? And then also being on a long flight and not peeing once.

[Sam Taggart]

That, that freaks me out.

[Chris Fleming]

I'm aisle. I'm mon. I'm like, I'm getting up a lot. Like, okay, okay, we can go.

[Sam Taggart]

You can do it.

[Chris Fleming]

And these guys are chugging Bloody Marys.

[George Severis]

Yeah, that's crazy.

[Chris Fleming]

And they're just not moving at all.

[Sam Taggart]

Are you internally bleeding or is there a catheter? Here comes back. Well, it always comes back to catheters in this room.

[Chris Fleming]

Pre show. We had a little pre show catheter chat.

[George Severis]

I would even go so far as to say, you're going with a friend to a long movie. You're going to see Avatar, Shape of Water or what's the new one? Fire and Ash.

[Sam Taggart]

Fire and Ash.

[George Severis]

You're nice to see Fire and Ash. The movie ends, you're like, surely we are both going to the bathroom. You're saying, I'm going to the bathroom.

[Chris Fleming]

That's what you drink.

[George Severis]

The friend goes, oh, I'm okay. What?

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah. Where's it going? What the hell is wrong with you?

[George Severis]

Did you sneeze at me?

[Sam Taggart]

Did you?

[George Severis]

Were you not feeling physically uncomfortable for the last hour and 45 minutes of that film? You were just sitting there normal.

[Chris Fleming]

This is. We're too porous if we're tracking people's piss schedule.

[Sam Taggart]

I have one. I have one. And this is perfect. So when George was over on Friday, we were watching Drag Race, of course.

[Chris Fleming]

Uh, oh, it's personal.

[Sam Taggart]

And no boxes to be seen because I'm not moving yet.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

And you know, Drag Race, we watch from maybe 7:30 to 8:30 ish.

[Chris Fleming]

And then what am I, a detective?

[Sam Taggart]

And then we hang out till 12:30. No one but me goes to the bathroom.

[George Severis]

You're tracking that?

[Sam Taggart]

Well, you guys left and I was like, so no one else had to pee.

[Chris Fleming]

You were getting so tracked. I cannot believe that you didn't even know it joined us.

[Sam Taggart]

I didn't want to track it. Like. So no one's getting up. So no one's getting up to go pee.

[Chris Fleming]

George, here's Taggart.

[Sam Taggart]

I can't believe this.

[Chris Fleming]

He's in the stakeout. So did you, you know what I do a lot.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[Chris Fleming]

No, I'm not going to say it.

[Sam Taggart]

Please share.

[Chris Fleming]

I used to tutor. So I used to have to drive. I was. Turns out I think I was losing money because I would have to drive to Santa Barbara to tutor these. And I've had a beach.

[George Severis]

One of them's comedy.

[Chris Fleming]

A lot of them. I would have to piss in the car a lot. No.

[Sam Taggart]

Break in a bottle.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah, a lot.

[Sam Taggart]

Did you get good at it?

[Chris Fleming]

I. I got beyond good at it. I. I got to a point and I had to do some kind of work on this where you. You know when you get in the shower and you pee a lot and you, like, you start.

[Sam Taggart]

Pavlovian response. Yeah.

[Chris Fleming]

I'd be in any car. I'd be like, this is the piss space. I crave pissing the car from all my years not being able. Being too shy to ask to use their bathroom. So I'd be pissing out front of, like. Like a child's McMansion in Seal Beach. I'd be. I'd be in cow posts with a bottle now. This is not good.

[George Severis]

This is.

[Chris Fleming]

This is how. This is how they get me. This is how.

[Sam Taggart]

This is how they won't get you for this.

[Chris Fleming]

This is how they get me.

[Sam Taggart]

You're in the clear.

[Chris Fleming]

You think? How do you guys feel about people wearing the tinted sunglasses on podcasts? Like they're the king of Las Vegas?

[Sam Taggart]

I think I thought it was funny for, like, one day.

[Chris Fleming]

Oh, it's a funny thing. I thought it was a power thing.

[George Severis]

It's. Yeah. I don't know if it's funny.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, it's only funny if they're playing with the power. Like, there was one moment for about three minutes, me and a guest wore sunglasses on our podcast.

[George Severis]

Oh, yes.

[Sam Taggart]

And I said, this is funny.

[Chris Fleming]

That's funny if you.

[George Severis]

Well, that's literally a thing.

[Chris Fleming]

That's hilarious. If you were wearing them, I would have to.

[George Severis]

I do want to say, you know, I'm currently not being invited to any red carpets, but if that change changes. I like the idea of wearing tinted glasses.

[Sam Taggart]

I do like the tinted glasses.

[Chris Fleming]

Oh, that's fun. That's fun. Anticipating the. The glow.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it adds a little je ne sais quoi.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Wait, wait. Okay.

[Chris Fleming]

Wait, wait, wait, don't tell me.

[George Severis]

Wait, wait, don't tell me.

[Sam Taggart]

Wait, wait, don't tell me.

[Chris Fleming]

Have you done it, George?

[George Severis]

You know what's.

[Chris Fleming]

Clean up on it.

[George Severis]

I recently, literally, you know when you have those moments where you're like, okay, I'm like, figure out my career. And one of the things I wrote down was like, get Contact info for.

[Chris Fleming]

Oh my God.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh my God, that is so funny.

[Chris Fleming]

Oh my God, that is so good.

[George Severis]

I can't believe.

[Chris Fleming]

That's so funny.

[Sam Taggart]

That's really amazing.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Chris, I have something to say.

[George Severis]

Oh. Oh my God.

[Sam Taggart]

So you're one of our community's best shit talk. And even in the sense that you'll go on stage and do bits about people that you were one degree away from and in a way that I think is so genius.

[Chris Fleming]

Thank you.

[Sam Taggart]

Does it ever come back to bite you?

[Chris Fleming]

It usually turns people on more.

[Sam Taggart]

Really?

[Chris Fleming]

Yes. When I don't hear from someone, that's when I'm like, who?

[George Severis]

Have you shit talked on stage?

[Chris Fleming]

A lot of people.

[Sam Taggart]

Like Colin Jost for example.

[George Severis]

But then.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

I mean, isn't this book called like I have a punchable face or something? Like he knows.

[Chris Fleming]

Probably.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. But it's still, you know, easier when he says it.

[George Severis]

Do you think we. We. Do you think we basically should talk about SD himes wedding or is that gonna come back to us?

[Ryan Seacrest]

No.

[Chris Fleming]

Okay. Here's the thing. If you ever. When you are like that impulse.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Chris Fleming]

Means that you're. It's a. It's trust that instinct.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Of course.

[Chris Fleming]

You should be talking about.

[George Severis]

We need to be doing a. I like. I wanna do a three part special on esty himes wedding content.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Cross platform, cross media. I'm talking the vogue.com feature, the various Instagram reels, the feature on the dress itself, the sister content they released where they are all. I wanna go into her boyfriend's. Her husband's LinkedIn. He's a tech guy. I wanna.

[Chris Fleming]

He's a tech guy.

[George Severis]

He's a tech guy.

[Chris Fleming]

I don't know. All I know is the PTA movie marathon where I feel like they were told.

[Sam Taggart]

I don't know. This part.

[George Severis]

PTA curated movie marathon.

[Chris Fleming]

And it wasn't what you think. I think the Flintstones may have been on there. The Rosie O' Donnell one.

[Sam Taggart]

Wow.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah. It was like a full 12 hours.

[George Severis]

Yeah. And that was a wedding event. As like PTA curated a movie marathon.

[Sam Taggart]

Yes. Okay. Interesting.

[Chris Fleming]

Yes.

[Sam Taggart]

And he sits there looking at everybody, making sure they're laughing the whole time, I'm sure.

[Chris Fleming]

Or telling people that was one take.

[Sam Taggart]

Actually Flintstones is actually pretty good. You might think this is just a kids movie, but it's actually pretty good. The cinematography actually kind of slaps. That's vta.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah. The dinosaur. That dinosaur.

[Sam Taggart]

So artisans actually made that.

[Chris Fleming]

Look at it blink. Look at it blink. Look at it blink. It's closing Only one eye. It's cleaning its eye like actually a lizard. It's purple. It's purple, but it's actually. It's actually cleaning its eye like a real lizard does. Every.

[Sam Taggart]

Every choice is actually really intentional.

[Chris Fleming]

And there. And Estes slow dancing with whatever war criminal, Mr. Jaime. The father daughter dance.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. Father daughter.

[George Severis]

Yeah. Well, esti.

[Chris Fleming]

So talk about it. Absolutely. I mean, tell me everything that you've seen.

[George Severis]

Everything that I've seen about Estie's wedding.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah, I want to hear. I want to hear everything I've seen.

[George Severis]

Have you seen her dress?

[Sam Taggart]

No.

[George Severis]

No, hold on.

[Sam Taggart]

It's a weird dress.

[George Severis]

Well, it's a statement.

[Sam Taggart]

It's a statement.

[George Severis]

Not Esther phallic St. Hynes.

[Chris Fleming]

I'm. Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

You've met all of them, right?

[Chris Fleming]

Never.

[George Severis]

Needless to say, I assume you're like

[Sam Taggart]

close personal friends with them.

[Chris Fleming]

No, I would be different.

[George Severis]

Now this is something, I think, that

[Chris Fleming]

allows me to be able to use the. I mean that

[Sam Taggart]

it's interesting.

[Chris Fleming]

It's very much like when something comes to life and you. Beauty and beast in the end. It's like an appliance. Like, it's like I want a femme appliance.

[George Severis]

She is very much giving femme appliance.

[Chris Fleming]

Those were some perky shoulders.

[George Severis]

I mean, I do actually think it's a beautiful.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, it's gorgeous.

[George Severis]

Like, fashion wise, I want it gorgeous.

[Chris Fleming]

Of course, when you walk it back, big back walk. That's the.

[George Severis]

Yeah, we love walking back. It's once that forward. 15 steps back.

[Sam Taggart]

If actually, if you see us say and like we love anything, it's because we cut out the part where we said we don't.

[Ad Read Flag Football]

Like 100%.

[George Severis]

Yes.

[Sam Taggart]

And you're just hearing us praise it.

[Chris Fleming]

We're just gonna hard cut to you showing me sd himes dress saying. And it's a gorgeous.

[George Severis]

I didn't expect the two other sisters to be in matching dresses is all I'm gonna say.

[Sam Taggart]

They were.

[George Severis]

Yes. Although I guess that is something they do in their shows and stuff.

[Chris Fleming]

Rank em your favorites.

[George Severis]

Well, this is, you know, we have a segment where we give three. It's like fuck Mary, kill. But it's which heim sister is rich thing. So what be like, you know, seltzer water, tea, like, whatever.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah, yeah. Okay. Okay.

[George Severis]

Let's think of one now since you're here.

[Chris Fleming]

Okay.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Which one?

[Chris Fleming]

I cross country with stuck in an elev. No, no. Okay. Stuck in an elevator with.

[George Severis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

B B. You are.

[Chris Fleming]

Yep.

[Sam Taggart]

Got it. The verb to.

[George Severis]

This is good. Would you rather be stuck in elevator. Who would you rather be?

[Chris Fleming]

Be. And who do you have a weekly movie night with? That's good. Okay. Okay.

[Sam Taggart]

That's easy.

[George Severis]

Yeah, that's easy.

[Chris Fleming]

Okay.

[Sam Taggart]

I think I would obviously be Danielle. Danielle. I would movie night with Alana, but

[Chris Fleming]

I want to have a movie night with Danielle, too.

[George Severis]

Are you kidding?

[Sam Taggart]

So you're having movie nights with her every night?

[Chris Fleming]

No, but you don't get to enjoy yourself if you're you.

[George Severis]

You guys are crazy. I would rather be Alana, the star. I'm gonna be in the PTA movies.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, God.

[George Severis]

Still pressure. I would wanna have a movie night with Danielle, who's, like, chill. And I would rather sort of rip the bandaid off and drive cross country with Estee. I'd hear all about the wedding, and then it's. Then I would say, have fun on the trip. I got an Airbnb.

[Sam Taggart]

No, if you are Danielle, you still get the spotlight.

[George Severis]

You have to work harder than everyone.

[Chris Fleming]

No. Aren't they really.

[George Severis]

Don't you want to be at the red carpets?

[Chris Fleming]

Aren't they cruel to Danielle the way, like, little birds are mean to a big bird? Do you know what I'm talking about? When you see, like, a bunch of sparrows being a scar of a. Ha.

[George Severis]

I think they respect her. They're saying, you're the reason we're all here.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah, dude, she.

[George Severis]

She's amazing.

[Chris Fleming]

I. Here's. Here's something humiliating about me. I see Daniela heim. I go, maybe I could wear a leather jacket. A black leather jacket.

[George Severis]

Well, you could be a heim.

[Sam Taggart]

You could be a heim.

[George Severis]

Just straighten your hair.

[Chris Fleming]

That they. That they like. That they. That they found in the attic. Let me in. Let me play. Yeah, no, I would be. I appreciate you saying that. Yeah. But I wouldn't last a second socially with them.

[George Severis]

You don't think you have anything.

[Chris Fleming]

They would talk me into swallowing my own tongue the way Hannibal Lecter did to multiple migs. I would. They. They would destroy.

[George Severis]

Yeah. They'd be like, it's fun. And then all three of them together would be like, do it.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

I mean, would you be able to handle the choreo?

[George Severis]

Oh, yeah. The choreo.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, yeah.

[George Severis]

It's not difficult. Choreo.

[Chris Fleming]

Well, it's like a blood harmony, but for choreo. Blood choreo. Like the way. Like the way family. The way sisters don'.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Have to.

[Chris Fleming]

They don't talk about it.

[George Severis]

No, they don't.

[Chris Fleming]

They're just, like, 5, 6, 7, 8. And the crowd is sometimes underwhelmed, sometimes they're just like woo.

[George Severis]

Yeah. They don't do it for the crowd.

[Chris Fleming]

Cuz the crowd, the first like 15 rows is like Paul Thomas Anderson running around with like a strange family fun disposable camera. And then their fans are in the way.

[George Severis]

Right, right. No, he's getting B roll for the next film completely. Then it's like music journalists, next 15 rows, friends in high school that I've

[Chris Fleming]

Pitchfork going, we like it, but do we like it? What does it mean for now? What do you think about Blood Orange?

[George Severis]

I love Blood Orange. We saw him open for Lord. You don't like it?

[Sam Taggart]

It's true. Well, I feel a bit complex to be be honest.

[George Severis]

Yeah, really?

[Chris Fleming]

Well, it's like you got a problem with Blood Orange.

[Sam Taggart]

I like Blood Orange.

[George Severis]

What the hell is your problem?

[Sam Taggart]

There's something about the most recent album

[Chris Fleming]

I want to play. We want to do this. I want to do the Shining with you where I'm Nicholson and you're Danny and I want you to.

[George Severis]

This is where it's like hi and we can talk about all day long. But Blood Orange, I'm not comfortable.

[Sam Taggart]

There's something about the new album where it feels like adult contemporary.

[George Severis]

Well, that's what it's always been leading to.

[Chris Fleming]

That's what I want.

[Sam Taggart]

That's what you want?

[Chris Fleming]

Give me Pandora station.

[George Severis]

Yeah, that's what I want.

[Sam Taggart]

Because I like it. But I'm. Am I like, you know, letting go by liking this?

[George Severis]

Like, am I. So much of what we think losing

[Sam Taggart]

my edge in a sense.

[George Severis]

So much of what we thought was cool in the Pitchfork era is adult contemporary, you know? What's adult contemporary? I say this with nothing but love. Beach House. Beach House just is adult and I love Beach House. But it's like you thought you. We were in the zone and we were like, this is so cool. It's like that's Starbucks music.

[Chris Fleming]

Beach House could be played in a Crate and Barrel. Nobody would. Batman.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chris Fleming]

No, I see what you're saying and

[Sam Taggart]

it's like, I like it. It's too palatable. Yeah.

[Chris Fleming]

You want to hear something a little funky? You want to hear. You need a little more minor chord in there.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, wouldn't hurt.

[Chris Fleming]

You wanna. What's your favorite music?

[Sam Taggart]

Well, you can't just ask that.

[Chris Fleming]

Okay. Most played recently. What do you. What are you looping? Oh, you ever hear Rain by Madonna? That's my. That's all I'm listening to.

[Sam Taggart]

We love Madonna here.

[George Severis]

We love Madonna.

[Chris Fleming]

Do you like Rain?

[George Severis]

Of course. It was recently having a moment like on social media.

[Chris Fleming]

Was it?

[George Severis]

Yes.

[Chris Fleming]

I found it through Uncut Gems because I rewatch that whenever I'm about to have a panic attack. I'm like, let's fucking.

[George Severis]

Let's just. Oh, you want to just expedite it?

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

And I'm not proud of what

[Chris Fleming]

I have. No.

[George Severis]

But I want.

[Chris Fleming]

I want what you have.

[Sam Taggart]

Let's say, like, FKA Twigs, I really like.

[Chris Fleming]

Okay.

[George Severis]

And she's maintained her edge.

[Sam Taggart]

And she's maintained the edge.

[Chris Fleming]

But what are you listening to right now?

[Sam Taggart]

Well, can I tell you what I was listening to today, which I know it is about. Which is.

[George Severis]

And I never text them back, which is.

[Sam Taggart]

Okay. We kind of do that to each other.

[George Severis]

Okay.

[Sam Taggart]

We did a Patreon episode about this artist a few months ago, and I was pretty negative, and I was like, this is not for me. I do not like this.

[Chris Fleming]

You can really take your panties off by the Patreon, right?

[George Severis]

Oh, we're.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, we're showing more. And then today I woke up. I don't know why. And I was like, I need to listen to this album on reaction repeat. Audrey Hobert.

[Chris Fleming]

Love Audrey.

[George Severis]

I want to be wanted.

[Chris Fleming]

I love Audrey.

[Sam Taggart]

I was like, this is to die for.

[George Severis]

Well, you're also very. Audrey Hobert meets Heim.

[Chris Fleming]

Completely.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, my God.

[Chris Fleming]

You actually.

[Sam Taggart]

Completely.

[Chris Fleming]

Audrey Hooper, Danielle, Absolute genius.

[Sam Taggart]

I'm, like, all in right now.

[Chris Fleming]

Sue me. I want to be one.

[George Severis]

Well, that song is genius.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah. Yeah.

[George Severis]

And Phoebe is genius.

[Sam Taggart]

Thirst traps.

[George Severis]

Thirst traps.

[Chris Fleming]

Thirst trap.

[George Severis]

I mean, it's Thirst traps.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah, it is so, so fucking good. No, that gave me hope when Andre Hober came out.

[Sam Taggart]

Really?

[Ad Read Announcer]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

You were there from the start. You were like, I'm in.

[Chris Fleming]

No, no. I'm a scavenger. I'm a culture scavenger. I'm sure. I'm like, although. No. Right. Didn't she only start, like, 18 months ago or something?

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, pretty much.

[Chris Fleming]

She was, like, at Nickelodeon or something.

[George Severis]

No, she was Gracie Abrams friend who wrote Gracie Abrams songs and then decided to go into it herself.

[Chris Fleming]

Why am I twisted minded? I think she was working at Nickelodeon.

[George Severis]

She was working at Nickelodeon at this point. She was a p. Administrative.

[Chris Fleming]

I am very loose with facts.

[George Severis]

She might have worked.

[Sam Taggart]

She might have worked there.

[George Severis]

She definitely, like, could easily tomorrow become an administrative assistant.

[Chris Fleming]

I love that. I love that you are listening to that.

[Sam Taggart]

Wow.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, I'm glad. I was really scared.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah. You were curating an fta. Twigs. You were doing a whole little Pinterest board for me.

[George Severis]

What's the last thing I ever But

[Chris Fleming]

I want to hear the now. The Taggart, now that.

[Sam Taggart]

And of course, Zara Lock Larson.

[Chris Fleming]

Who's that?

[George Severis]

Oh, yes.

[Sam Taggart]

This is the question on everyone's lips. Who's that?

[George Severis]

Okay, well, I was listening to.

[Sam Taggart]

She's a pop star, and she has this song called Midnight sun that came out over the summer.

[Chris Fleming]

Is she Alaskan? Why Midnight Sun?

[Sam Taggart]

She's, like, Swedish. Yeah. And basically that song, it's like, good. And I was like, that's good. But I listened to it, like, it came out yesterday. Like, I'm just like, this is the best song that's ever existed.

[George Severis]

Well, she's currently making the rounds because she has a big song with Pink Panthers. I don't know if you are familiar with her work. She's a British sort of musician.

[Sam Taggart]

Do you know the Beatles? She's like that.

[George Severis]

She's kind of like that. But for now, I guess.

[Chris Fleming]

Okay, Pink Panthers. Okay.

[George Severis]

It's very, like, sampling early aughts.

[Sam Taggart]

This is the first you're hearing of Pink Panthers?

[George Severis]

That's interesting.

[Sam Taggart]

You don't know the. It feels illegal. You don't know that.

[Chris Fleming]

Are you talking about the comedy Pink Panther?

[George Severis]

Pink Panthers. Have you heard the song that's like, my name is Pink and it's really nice to meet you? No, I'm recommended to me by some people. It's also a meme on TikTok.

[Chris Fleming]

No, my name is. I'm not as involved on TikTok as I should be. I never got to scroll.

[Sam Taggart]

I posted my first TikTok today.

[George Severis]

Oh, my God. The one that I saw on Instagram.

[Chris Fleming]

What are you doing?

[Sam Taggart]

I. There's this guy who does, like, fashion reviews, and he has like, a really sort of, like, deadpan. You, like, hate it, love it, hate it.

[Chris Fleming]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Small and then.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah, I did that with ranking Fish in the Sea.

[Chris Fleming]

Great. I love that angler fish. Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

I was like, love the colors. Love the colors. Hate this, hate this. Love the.

[Chris Fleming]

Hate the underbite for the Barracuda. That's funny.

[Sam Taggart]

It was fun. My first TikTok.

[Chris Fleming]

Everyone go check out Taggart's TikTok. Let's get them blown up. Let's get them blown up tomorrow.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, well, I can say that this is the hottest studio I've ever been in in my life. And actually coming back to our eras.

[George Severis]

Oh, you know, thankfully, I'm wearing my streetwear T shirt, and I'm actually feeling amazing.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah, I don't feel that warm.

[Sam Taggart]

You guys are lying to me.

[George Severis]

Well, you should feel warm. You're Wearing like a sweater.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah, I'm always late to my body awareness. I'm not very into it.

[Sam Taggart]

Do you pass out often?

[Chris Fleming]

Not as much as I'd like. I. No, I don't. No. Whenever I get my blood taken, they. I'm about to really scare the needles. Scared of everything. I'm scared of something getting taken out. And when they start asking me questions, I'm like, what's your favorite dessert? Then I'm like, no, I need to ask you questions because I'm worried.

[Sam Taggart]

What's your qualification?

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah, I'm worried that they're trying to soothe me. That stresses me out.

[Sam Taggart]

No, I get accused of being shy of the needle these days, and I don't like being accused of that. And they're like, oh, you're scared of needles, huh? And I'm like, sorta.

[George Severis]

Like I said, when someone is like, are you scared of flying? It's like, no, I'm not scared of flying, but I am gonna be like,

[Chris Fleming]

you're realistic about it like that.

[George Severis]

When there's turbulence, I'm not gonna just be like dead eyed, like, acting like everything's normal.

[Chris Fleming]

People are so calm during turbulence.

[George Severis]

It actually is true that people are so calm during turbulence.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah. Yeah. What's. Everyone is like, like Navy SEAL almost just like. You could be like, you could be truly like this. If a photo was taken of you, this would be the still of how much you're bouncing off the seat. That's literally people are just like, still watching their movie.

[Sam Taggart]

I put on your bath face. When turbulence is happening, I'm sort of like. I'm always like, that's it.

[George Severis]

They're always like, oh, so you're one of those people.

[Sam Taggart]

The problem is they warn me. They're like, it's about to get really bad, so stay in your seat. And I'm like, holy shit, here it comes. And then there's like one bump. And I'm like, okay. Oh.

[George Severis]

I've been dealing with some pretty bad turbulence recently.

[Chris Fleming]

It's been crazy. It's been the Great Lakes. They seek it out. They're like, you know what?

[Sam Taggart]

Let's give these guys a show.

[George Severis]

I think sometimes the pilot does it on purpose. There's not even actually turbulence in the air.

[Chris Fleming]

He goes.

[George Severis]

He's like, I don't know.

[Sam Taggart]

Here we go. It's interesting. We meet him with a man.

[Chris Fleming]

Wow.

[George Severis]

Well, do you think a woman would ever do that as a joke? No.

[Sam Taggart]

Some pilots are Heim sisters, but they

[George Severis]

would be so professional that they would never dare. I mean, Estee probably would be doing like flips with the.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, she'd be doing a lot of the announcements.

[George Severis]

Yeah, she's the comedian of the. She is the oldest but she's also the comedian of the book. Of course.

[Chris Fleming]

Of course.

[George Severis]

She does a tight five right before doing her song.

[Sam Taggart]

Sometimes it's not so tight. Sometimes it's getting into the eight minute territory.

[Chris Fleming]

Eight minute, that's every bit. I do. Eight minutes and I'm trying to cut it down.

[George Severis]

If she did the comedy studio, Rick Jenkins. Jenkins would be like, don't run the light.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah, yeah. It's really important that you don't run the light. If you. Oh my God. You would have loved Jenkins.

[Sam Taggart]

Is he alive?

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he is. Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Well, maybe one day.

[Chris Fleming]

That's the spirit. Well, well, well. Thanks for coming everybody.

[Ad Read Announcer]

Tired of spills and stains on your sofa? Wash away your worries with Annabe. Annabe is the only machine washable sofa inside and out where designer quality meets budget friendly prices. That's right, sofas start at just $699. Enjoy a no risk experience with pet friendly stain resistant and changeable slip covers made with performance fabric. Experience cloud like comfort with high resilience foam that's hypoallergenic and never needs fluffing. The sturdy steel frame ensures longevity and the modular pieces can be rearranged anytime. Shop washablesofas.com for up to 60% off site wide, backed by a 30 day satisfaction guarantee. If you're not absolutely in love, send it back for a full refund. No return, shipping or restocking fees. Every penny back Upgrade [e-mail] Offers are subject to change and certain restrictions may apply.

[Ad Read Flag Football]

Flag football is exploding and iflag is leading the way as the Guinness World Record hold. Iflag hosts premier flag football tournaments nationwide for boys, girls, high school girls and adults. From first time players to elite competitors, iflag delivers top level competition, unforgettable experiences and a community built around the game ready to be part of it. Join the movement, find your tournament and learn [e-mail] that's iflag.org hey, this is

[Chris Fleming]

U.S. olympic gold medalist Tara Davis Woodhull. And I'm U.S. paralympic gold medalist Hunter Hunter Woodhull. As athletes, our lives are about having a clear path and a team that you can absolutely trust. So when it came to getting the best mortgage, we chose PennyMac. PennyMac is proud to be the official mortgage provider of Team USA and you

[George Severis]

learn more at pennymac.com pennymac loan services llc/housing lender nmls id 35953. Licensed by the Department of Financial Protection and Innovation under the California Residential Mortgage Lending Act. Conditions and restrictions may apply.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway. Are you feeling those winter blues? Well, do not worry. They've got ways to boost your mood. Add a little sweetness to your day with big savings on all your favorite sweets. Shop in store or online and save on items like Gummy Savers Five Flavors, Reese's Peanut Butter Cup Sour Patch watermelon, M&M's party size stand Up Bags and Ferrero Rocher Mixed Variety squares. Offer ends February 24th. Restrictions apply. Offers may vary. Visit albertsons or safeway.com for more details.

[Sam Taggart]

Should we do our final segment?

[George Severis]

Yes.

[Chris Fleming]

Is it a physical challenge?

[Sam Taggart]

It's a physical challenge.

[Chris Fleming]

It's a Runway.

[George Severis]

It's a Runway challenge.

[Chris Fleming]

You know Taggart, how did you do that? I was fidgeting. You know, Taggart. I would insist to work with Taggart after midnight. Yeah. Whenever I did after midnight, I would say, must be Taggert.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, and it was always a treat.

[Chris Fleming]

And I'd get it.

[Sam Taggart]

And they'd get full costumes for me for like one line.

[Chris Fleming]

Oh, right. And Taggart would be in the pieces. He'd steal the show. To be able to go into the dressing room and see Taggart just sit. Laura Ashley.

[Sam Taggart]

That was fun.

[Chris Fleming]

That was the. Does it feel like a lifetime ago?

[Sam Taggart]

Literally.

[Chris Fleming]

That is weird because it was only May.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. It's like fully erased from my brain.

[Chris Fleming]

Yes. It feels. It's so strange how, like, I thought I was like getting used to that. Yeah.

[George Severis]

Gone.

[Sam Taggart]

Gone. Rip.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah. Now it's fucking Comics Unleashed. Have you seen that?

[Sam Taggart]

I've seen like little clips.

[Chris Fleming]

Oh, my God.

[George Severis]

What's Comics Unleashed?

[Sam Taggart]

It's just like totally just a chat show.

[Chris Fleming]

It's not even a chat show. It's Byron Allen. So it's a guy the host is sitting in front of, like a tank of shit. Sharks, literally.

[George Severis]

This is the. This is what has replaced Aftermath.

[Chris Fleming]

It's shot in like 420p. Oh, and it was from the 90s. It's shot and it's like, it's like,

[George Severis]

oh, it's a rerun. It's not new.

[Sam Taggart]

No, it's new.

[Chris Fleming]

They're shooting new ones and they're getting comics. They tee comics up.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Chris Fleming]

Byron Allen will be like, hey, Chris, what's your problem with grocery shopping? Like, asking them. And then I'll do a 10 minute bit while Byron Allen just like.

[George Severis]

And you're doing this.

[Chris Fleming]

No, no, no, no, no, no. But people are doing this.

[Sam Taggart]

People are doing this.

[George Severis]

Are you aware of. I was. Someone introduced me to this. There's a new British panel show. I can't remember what it's called, but the premise is that it's a bunch of comedians, and one of them, it's their turn to talk, and the other comedians are not allowed to laugh. So it's someone trying to make them laugh. It's amazing. Someone trying to make them laugh, which is already funny enough. But then also, you're seeing being like Jimmy Carr. Is that his name? Like, it just being, like, not being able to.

[Chris Fleming]

It's like you're like, is there a studio audience?

[George Severis]

I can't remember.

[Chris Fleming]

I hope it's not clips. Just a room of silent comedians.

[George Severis]

But it's just like. It's like, wow, it's scary.

[Sam Taggart]

I'm like, so this is a good show. People like this.

[Chris Fleming]

This was like a clown challenge. They would call it Ring of Death, I guess. And if you couldn't get out, you would have. My acting teacher. If someone was hamming it up too much, they'd be like, all right, all right, clown. Get in the middle here. And you can't leave till you make all of us laugh. And it would be like, the toughest thing in the world to see that.

[Sam Taggart]

I hate stuff like that.

[George Severis]

No, it's like.

[Chris Fleming]

It's so, so good, though.

[Sam Taggart]

As soon as someone's like, this is about to get really hard, I'm like, I'm out. I don't want things to be hard. Me neither.

[Chris Fleming]

Me neither. No, I want no resistance. None.

[Sam Taggart]

Just love me.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Chris Fleming]

When an audience isn't scream laughing at everything I'm saying, I get so pissed.

[George Severis]

Oh, it's horrifying.

[Chris Fleming]

I get so mad.

[Sam Taggart]

I literally am like, you guys should have been here three days ago. Now that Aud understood me.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah. Yeah. For some reason, Nashville was my hottest crowd on the road.

[Sam Taggart]

Really?

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah, I guess East Nashville, you think? Nashville, you think, like, you know?

[Sam Taggart]

Sure.

[Chris Fleming]

But it's not. It was like. Anyway.

[George Severis]

This was Casey Musgrave's country.

[Chris Fleming]

Yes. Yes. Yes.

[Sam Taggart]

Wow.

[George Severis]

Wow.

[Sam Taggart]

So our final segment is called Shout Outs, and we pay homage to the grand Strait tradition of the radio. Shout out. Shouting out to anything that we enjoy. People, places, things, ideas. Imagine it's 2001. You're at TRL shouting out to your squad back home, but about anything that you like.

[Chris Fleming]

Okay.

[George Severis]

Right.

[Sam Taggart]

And we go first.

[George Severis]

Great.

[Sam Taggart]

And we make them up on the spot, which is why we stall.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

George, do you have one? I have one.

[George Severis]

Okay.

[Chris Fleming]

Okay.

[Sam Taggart]

What's up, freaks, losers and perverts? I want to give a huge shout out to Audrey Hobert.

[Chris Fleming]

Yes.

[Sam Taggart]

This chica is proving that being weird is back. I think she's doing something interesting where it kind of sounds like 2011 indie music. So at some points, in a way where I'm like, what am I listening to?

[Chris Fleming]

And you can't stop. It's earworms. You can't stop saying the lyrics.

[Sam Taggart]

And yes, sometimes it sounds like Taylor Swift esque. And yes, of course, I don't like that. But I think that it will grow and change and get only better with time. I think finally a girl is weird and we're letting her live. I think it's so cool when someone is owning their quirk and she's doing some Heim esque choreo, but with even weirder moves.

[Chris Fleming]

And no backup.

[Sam Taggart]

And no backup. She's doing it all by herself.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Sam Taggart]

Gracie Abrams is nowhere to be found. Helping her out.

[Chris Fleming]

Very sleepover empowering. That's okay. That's the genre. Sleep over empowerment.

[Sam Taggart]

She's doing sleepover indie pop and we are gagging for it. So shout out to Audrey Hobert. I'm sorry, I was a hater on her Patreon episode upwards of six months ago. Xoxo, Sam.

[Chris Fleming]

Wow, you were a little.

[George Severis]

Yeah, I was the one supporting her and you.

[Chris Fleming]

Wow, look how far you've come.

[George Severis]

And all our. All our listeners, by the way, our Discord was like, I can't believe they introduced me to this flop bitch. Hate her. Hate her ass.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah. Discord was like chewing her up.

[Chris Fleming]

Well, she, she does appear very appeal, I think, very much to the feminine gaze.

[George Severis]

I completely agree. And I think that is what people. This issue is, is. And because people pretend they're not performing for the male gaze, but she actually isn't performing for the male gaze. And that is genuinely radical.

[Chris Fleming]

And people get really upset by that.

[Sam Taggart]

That's true.

[Chris Fleming]

When you decenter men, people get pissed.

[Sam Taggart]

That's true.

[George Severis]

There's actually a way to not perform for the male gaze in such a calculated way that you actually are appealing to their own sel about not being sexist. Patti Smith, where it's like, do you know what I mean? A man sees Patti Smith and he's like, it's like, she's one of the guys.

[Sam Taggart]

Sure, sure. She's a guy gal. That's what I think.

[George Severis]

It's always, Patti Smith is the ultimate guy.

[Chris Fleming]

She can crush a Michelob.

[Sam Taggart]

Ultimately, she literally Is always like, yeah, I had some tequilas.

[George Severis]

Yeah. It's like, shut up. How about you write a new song?

[Sam Taggart]

Patti Smith was actually with me at El Condor drinking margs.

[Chris Fleming]

Oh, yeah, I know she was.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, my God.

[Chris Fleming]

Selling copies of Just Kids. The amount of times I've read the first one page of Just Kids at a bookstore.

[George Severis]

Oh, honey, it's all.

[Sam Taggart]

You never finish. They read the whole thing.

[Chris Fleming]

No, no, no. Not only did I not finish, I didn't make it past Paige. I. I'm always like, I should get this. I like how small this is. It's like a little Triscuit. That book.

[George Severis]

Yeah.

[Chris Fleming]

Just Kids.

[George Severis]

It's. It's almost she. You know, Patty Smith is Drew Barrymore in 50 First Dates, and she keeps waking up every day thinking she just moved to New York and she has to tell the story. It's like, we get it.

[Sam Taggart]

She's just like me. For real.

[George Severis]

Enough.

[Chris Fleming]

I see. Yeah, yeah. The New York. The New York fixation. Like, it's almost like you need. It's almost like you would need an induced coma to get over.

[Sam Taggart]

I need a coma? Yeah, big time.

[George Severis]

I see you lusting a nice, relaxing coma.

[Chris Fleming]

It's.

[George Severis]

George. Yes. Okay.

[Sam Taggart]

Because we have to get to the testament of Van Lee.

[George Severis]

Honey. I know. Oh, my God. It's an hour and we still have to record a video.

[Sam Taggart]

We can record it in the comments.

[Chris Fleming]

I'll be quick with whatever I'm shouting out.

[George Severis]

Okay. I want to give a shout out to Trader Joe's because I. So I'm staying in this apartment by myself all month without my husband. I'm living in a sort of bachelor lifestyle. Trader Joe's food, It's amazing what they're doing. It's, I would say 60% food. It's like, if you ever want to feel 60%, the experience of consuming real nutritious food, go to Trader Joe's. I have been. I bought this pre marinated chicken. It tastes like if you. If you kind of did stem cell research where you combined real chicken with a rubber chicken. And then the thing that came out, actually, you, like, ran tests and it's like, oh, it's basically edible. Like, you can technically eat it. Yeah, I'm making it. It is like five servings. I'm making it and I'm putting it. I'm doing like five days in a row of this disgusting. I mean, I'm like closing my nose, being like putting it in quesadillas. Extremely affordable, by the way. The entire chicken. Probably like $12 for like, full five days. I don't remember what real food tastes like. I keep being like, you know, I'm going to actually cook for myself. But it's like, well, I'm only here for one more week. What am I going to do? Like go buying food ingredients.

[Sam Taggart]

Yep.

[George Severis]

So if you are ever by yourself for a full month without your husband and want to kind of forget what it means to be fully human and just be like almost human, I highly recommend going to Trader Joe's.

[Sam Taggart]

I've got to do this. Yeah, I've got to get into Trader Joe's.

[George Severis]

It is so bad.

[Chris Fleming]

It's crazy.

[Sam Taggart]

It sounds perfect for me.

[Chris Fleming]

You're talking frozen entrees.

[George Severis]

This chicken is not frozen, actually. It is a pre marinated like. And you, and you put it on

[Sam Taggart]

the marinating is the hardest part. So it's nice to take care of that.

[George Severis]

Well, kind of.

[Sam Taggart]

Honestly? Yeah.

[Chris Fleming]

I love it. I mean, for me, I'm just gonna recommend Bath bomb. You understand?

[George Severis]

Bath bombs. Oh, yeah. Like the.

[Sam Taggart]

I got it.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah, I do. One a day from Lush. No, I walked into the door of a lush once because it was such a clean glass.

[Sam Taggart]

Oh, you walked into the door at

[Chris Fleming]

such a velocity that it shook the whole Lush. Everyone in the store? No. So I was in Harvard Square right by the comedy studio.

[Sam Taggart]

Wow.

[George Severis]

Oh, I remember that.

[Sam Taggart]

Lush.

[George Severis]

Yes.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah, yeah. Now it's where the new comedy studio is.

[Sam Taggart]

So you're still taking a bath every day?

[Chris Fleming]

Oh, at least one a day.

[Sam Taggart]

Sorry, Dan.

[Chris Fleming]

How long if I don't. Please, how long? I, I. Time doesn't pass the way. I don't know.

[Sam Taggart]

So bath is your gym? Yeah.

[George Severis]

City is my church. Bath is my gym.

[Chris Fleming]

And a bath bomb. I'm telling you, they're making them fun. They're at whole foods or at grocery store.

[George Severis]

What sort of flavors are $7 each?

[Chris Fleming]

Oh, I, I, There's a really good one. They're always weird combinations.

[George Severis]

Eucalyptus.

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah. It's like patchouli. Jasmine.

[Sam Taggart]

Yeah.

[George Severis]

Tomato leaf.

[Chris Fleming]

Tomato leaf. Bison burger.

[Sam Taggart]

Tomato leaf.

[George Severis]

I know. It's like.

[Chris Fleming]

No, I don't think I've smelled tomato leaf, actually.

[Sam Taggart]

People are shoving it down my throat.

[George Severis]

Well, you're allegedly smelling it constantly because everything is tomato if scented.

[Chris Fleming]

I have. Okay, I haven't even been tribute to this.

[Sam Taggart]

It's the silent killer.

[George Severis]

It's a silent killer.

[Sam Taggart]

They should make a bath bomb that you can drink anyway. Chris, this has been such a pleasure.

[George Severis]

Chris, where can people find you online?

[Sam Taggart]

And what do you do you want to promote? Anything at all?

[George Severis]

Oh, what's your job?

[Chris Fleming]

Yeah. What's your job? I'm an engineer. I have a special coming out end of February.

[George Severis]

Where.

[Chris Fleming]

When is this coming out? Hbo? Yeah, when is this coming out?

[Sam Taggart]

This week.

[George Severis]

Could come out whenever you want.

[Sam Taggart]

This will probably be mid to late Feb. Great.

[George Severis]

You'll be duking it out with Peaches because she has an album coming out February 20th.

[Chris Fleming]

You have peaches coming in?

[George Severis]

Yeah, she already did it. Okay, well, subscribe to HBO Max. Bye. Podcast ends now for our visual learners. You can watch full video episodes on our YouTube YouTube channel and subscribe to

[Sam Taggart]

our Patreon for two extra episodes a

[George Severis]

month at patreon.com Stradiolab Stradiolab is a

[Sam Taggart]

production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network and iHeart podcasts.

[George Severis]

Created and hosted by me, George Severis and Sam Taggart, executive produced by Jenna

[Sam Taggart]

Cagle, co produced by Becca Ramos, edited

[George Severis]

by Lauren Stumpf and mixed and mastered by Doug Behm Artwork by Michael Fails

[Sam Taggart]

and Matt Grubb Theme music by Ben Kling.

[Ad Read Announcer]

Life gets messy spills, stains, head accidents and kid chaos. But with Anabe, cleaning up is easy. Our sofas are fully machine washable inside and out so you never have to stress about messes again. Made with liquid and stain resistant fabrics, that means fewer stains and more peace of mind. Designed for real life, our sofas feature changeable fabric covers allowing you to refresh your style anytime. Need flexibility? Our modular design lets you rearrange your sofa effortlessly. Perfect for cozy apartments or spacious homes. Plus they're earth friendly and built to last. That's why over 200,000 happy customers have made the switch. Upgrade your space today. Sofas start at just $699 this visit washablesofas.com now and bring home a sofa made for life. That's washablesofas.com offers are subject to change and certain restrictions may apply.

[Ad Read Flag Football]

Flag football is exploding and iflag is leading the way as the Guinness World Record Holder. Iflag hosts premier flag football tournaments nationwide for boys, girls, high school girls and adults. From first time players to elite competitors, iflag delivers top level competition, unforgettable experiences and a community built around the game ready to be part of it. Join the movement, find your tournament and learn [e-mail] that's iflag.org if you're the

[George Severis]

purchasing manager at a manufacturing plant, you

[Ad Read Flag Football]

know having a trusted partner makes all the difference.

[George Severis]

That's why hands down, you count on Grainger for all reordering with on time restocks, your team will have the cut

[Sam Taggart]

resistant gloves they need at the start

[George Severis]

of their shift, and you can end

[Sam Taggart]

your day knowing they've got safety well in hand.

[George Severis]

Call 1-800-GRAINGER click granger.com or just stop by Grainger for the ones who get it done.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway. Are you feeling those winter blues? Well, do not worry, they've got you covered with ways to boost your your mood. Add a little sweetness to your day with big savings on all your favorite sweets. Shop in store or online and save on Items like Gummy Savers five flavors, Reese's peanut butter cup sour patch watermelon, M&M's party size stand Up Bags and Ferrero Rocher Mixed Variety squares. Offer ends February 24th. Restrictions apply. Offers may vary. Visit albertsons or safeway.com for more details.

[Chris Fleming]

This is an I Heart podcast. Guaranteed human.