Did God Say That?

Summary

Street Preachers Podcast

Episode: Did God Say That?
Hosts: Phillip Anthony Mitchell & Tim Timberlake
Date: September 23, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of Street Preachers is a deeply honest, real-time exploration of authority, accountability, false teaching, and godly character in the context of church ministry. Responding to listener questions and recent accusations, Phillip Anthony Mitchell and Tim Timberlake address the pitfalls of unchecked ministry, the necessity of accountability, and Tim’s personal journey through a public season of trial, slander, and vindication. The discussion seamlessly moves from theology—in exegesis and biblical authority—to personal testimony, offering encouragement for anyone facing hardship, betrayal, or unjust criticism.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Proper Preparation for Ministry

• Listener Question: Where should I go for expository preaching and sound doctrine training?
  Timestamp: 01:25
  • Phillip: The true foundation is not school or seminary, but an "intimate relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ." (02:04)
  • Challenge: Don't seek platforms (public ministry) before building altars (prayer and intimacy with God).

    "We should not talk about platforms before we talk about altars." – Phillip (03:13)

  • Motivation: Examine why you want to preach — pure motives or affirmation from others?
  • Word of God: Value fidelity to the text and resist twisting Scripture for personal views.
  • Community: Surround yourself with others who love and study the Word.
  • Next Step: After these essentials, higher education can be beneficial, but cannot replace spiritual foundations.

2. Giftedness vs. Accountability

• Tim:
  • Being gifted does not equate to being anointed or authorized for spiritual work.

    "I'm talented at a bunch of things, but I'm anointed for one thing." (08:49)

  • The rise of “rogue ministers” often comes from the illusion that talent alone justifies authority (08:31).
• Dangers of No Accountability:
  • Isolated ministries lack the root system needed for endurance — “a weapon without safety can do a lot of harm.” (10:31)
  • Social media fuels comparison, giftedness confusion, and can embolden unsubmitted leaders.
• Phillip:
  • Issues arise when leaders reject authority, aren’t anchored in community, or use social media for validation rather than genuine spiritual fruit.

3. False Teaching, Division, and the Letter of Jude

• Context: Jude 8 warns of those who reject authority and rely on dreams rather than God’s Word.
• Phillip:
  • Social media prophets often lack scriptural backing or accountability.
  • “Our dreams should never outweigh God’s Word. If they do, we’re not moved by vision, we’re moved by delusion.” – Tim (13:12)
• Tim’s Experience: Both hosts have been accused of being “false teachers” by online critics:

  "...someone said, 'Pam is legit, but beware of Tim Timberlake. He’s a false teacher and a church stealer.'" (13:16)
  "Somebody just exposed Philip Anthony Mitchell, you know, he’s dangerous to the body of Christ." (13:52)

4. The ‘Church Stealing’ Accusation Against Tim Timberlake

• Phillip sets the record straight: Tim was asked to lead Celebration Church, enduring empty rooms, media attacks, and death threats (15:22).
• Tim’s response:
  • It’s logistically, spiritually, and legally impossible to “steal” a church given board governance, legal structure, and documented leadership transition (17:57).
  • The critics were projecting their own lack of submission and accountability.
  • Tim speaks to the pain, endurance, and ultimate vindication by God, maintaining grace and refusing to retaliate.
• Phillip (on God’s timing):

  "You had to trust God to vindicate you. Can you talk now?" (16:08)

  • Tim has now been vindicated in court; all lawsuits lost by accusers (23:06).

5. Character, Suffering, and Vindication

• Phillip:
  • Waiting silently under attack is a test of trust in God. Retaliation is natural, but spiritual maturity chooses prayer and silence (24:41).
  • The “fruit of the Spirit” (Galatians 5) is contrasted with the works of the flesh, including fits of rage and division — clear markers of false leadership.

    "If the Word can't hold them accountable, then nothing's going to." (32:22)

• Unity vs. Division:
  • True leaders build unity; divisive, destructive leaders bear the true marks of falseness (27:27).

    "Are they bringing unity...or are they bringing division?" – Tim (27:44)

• Accountability is mutual:
  • The hosts discuss how they privately correct each other, emphasizing brotherly relationship and iron sharpening iron (33:31).
  • Owning mistakes and course-correcting publicly are marks of true character and spiritual maturity.

6. Tim’s Journey of Endurance

• Personal Cost: Tim describes the difficulty of remaining faithful and silent amidst relentless public attack, false accusation, and loss (35:16).
  • "No one is intrigued by the truth. Everyone is intrigued by the headlines." – Tim (35:35)
• Perspective on Suffering:
  • Phillip references Paul’s teaching — some suffering is “granted” as a gift to perfect faith and put godly character on display.

    "There are few things that put character on display more like pressure..." (37:17)

• Victory and Godly Reputation: Despite pressure, Tim’s ministry is now thriving. The ultimate outcome: godly character recognized by all, even those who endured the journey with him.

7. Encouragement for Listeners

• Core message: Trials, attacks, and even slander can be refining. God vindicates His servants at the right time.
• Personal Reflection:

  "If we are more concerned about how we are viewed by people than we are received by our Father, we miss an opportunity to put on display the redemptive work that Jesus has done." – Tim (44:03)

• On Focus:
  • “Do we want to waste our time fighting other believers and false prophets, or preparing the way for the Lord? I chose the latter.” – Phillip (45:45)
• Application:
  • Hold on, pray for your enemies, remain submitted, and let God bring beauty from ashes.

8. Closing Prayer and Final Encouragement

• Deep prayer for:
  • Listeners under attack, enduring trial, or dealing with difficult family dynamics (betrayal, co-parenting, etc.).
  • God’s vindication, strength, and character revealed in hardship.
  • For persecutors — “that you would do a work in that man’s life…bring him to repentance.” (54:10)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "We should not talk about platforms before we talk about altars." – Phillip (03:13)
• "A weapon without restraint, a weapon without safety can do a lot of harm to a lot of people." – Tim (10:31)
• "If ever our dream outweighs God’s word, we are not moved by a vision. We are moved by delusion." – Tim (13:12)
• "Waiting silently under attack is a test of trust in God." – Phillip (24:03)
• "No one is intrigued by the truth. Everyone is intrigued by the headlines." – Tim (35:35)
• "Some suffering God has granted…to put character on display." – Phillip (37:17)
• "The work with Jesus you do in private will be displayed in public." – Tim (43:20)
• "If we are more concerned about how we are viewed by people than…received by our Father, we miss an opportunity to put on display the redemptive work that Jesus has done." – Tim (44:03)
• "Do we want to waste our time fighting other believers and false prophets, or preparing the way for the Lord? I chose the latter." – Phillip (45:45)

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Timestamps of Important Segments

• 01:25–06:40: How to prepare for ministry and the supremacy of intimacy, motive, and scripture.
• 08:31–10:31: The dangers of unaccountable, “rogue” ministers.
• 11:18–15:44: Jude’s warning about false leaders and personal reflections/examples.
• 16:08–23:06: Tim Timberlake addresses the accusation of "church stealing," the ordeal, vindication, and lessons on slander.
• 24:03–32:22: Managing accusation, the works of the flesh versus fruit of the Spirit, applying accountability.
• 35:16–40:26: Suffering faithfully; the beauty and vindication God can bring from trial.
• 42:22–48:30: The true value of godly character, encouragement for those under attack.
• 49:06–54:10: Final prayer, ministering to listeners in hardship, and intercession for enemies.

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Structure of Truth and Tone

The episode is conversational yet scripturally grounded, weaving direct personal testimony with biblical teaching. Both hosts are transparent about struggle and failings, inviting listeners into both their victories and their wounds. The tone is bold but compassionate, always looping back to prayer, humility, and the pursuit of Christ over reputation.

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For Listeners

This episode will resonate deeply with anyone wrestling with criticism, misunderstanding, church hurt, or bearing weighty responsibility for others in spiritual contexts. It’s also a clarion call to hold fast to the truth, embrace the slow processes of character development, and trust God for vindication.

Main Takeaway:
Faithfulness, humility, and accountable leadership are non-negotiable — the world and the church desperately need them. And even when you’re misunderstood, slandered, or publicly dragged through trial, God is able to vindicate and bring beauty out of ashes, as He did for Tim Timberlake and as He promises for any who trust in Him.

Transcript

[A]

You're listening to the Street Preachers Podcast with Tim Timberlake and Philip Anthony Mitchell.

[B]

We pray you're blessed by the content you're about to receive. What's going on, street team? We're back with another incredible episode of the Street Preachers Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Timberlake.

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Your boy, Philip Anthony Mitchell.

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And we got an incredible episode lined up for you today. And I'm excited about our text, I'm excited about our subject, and let's not waste any time. Let's get into the scripture, unpack it, and let's dive a little bit deeper and a little bit differently than we have in past episodes.

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Yeah, we gotta do that. I also, too, I think we want to take a moment to. Somebody wrote us a good question on YouTube.

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Yeah.

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Before we jump into the text, I don't remember the brother's name, but we do want to take a second to answer that question. And, you know, if there's something you want us to answer, you know, Tim and I are not afraid of conflict. You know, you can send us a question. You can just Write it in YouTube or in the comments or IG. I mean, don't go crazy with it.

[C]

But we'll.

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We'll try to. If you have something that's legitimate, that's really on your heart, we'll do our best to try to answer it on the pod.

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Absolutely.

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There was a brother who asked a really good question. You know what I'm saying? What was that?

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He. Let's.

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Let's address two things.

[C]

Yeah.

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The first question is for someone who wants to be in ministry and wants to be about expository preaching and teaching, where should I go for proper training so that I properly am equipped to spread the word of God and be rooted in sound doctrine?

[C]

Yeah.

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I think that's a very powerful question. And I want to say this. Let me preface my response by saying there is no. There's no correct answer here. I think the answer is going to be slightly relative based on who you talk to. So this is my personal opinion.

[C]

Right.

[A]

For the brother who. Who wrote that on our YouTube page, first, I want to commend you, whoever you are part of our street team. If you're watching this for just having a hunger and a desire for biblical exegesis, for honoring God's word, I think that's very important. I think we should show that brother some love for having that desire.

[C]

Right.

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And I think that his question is synonymous with a lot of people who's feeling the same way. You know, where can we go for proper training on, you know, biblical exegesis, how to preach, teach, whatever the case may be.

[C]

Right.

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And so I think. I think the answer is going to vary to some degree, and I think there's some things that we can. We can put out there.

[C]

Right.

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I want to first say before we talk about school or seminary or anything like. Like that, let's start with an intimate relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ.

[C]

All right.

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I think it's very easy to have a desire to be a good expositor, a good preacher and teacher of the Word. And we all sometimes think the first step is seminary school or whatever the case may be. I would challenge somebody to say I think the first step is just developing a more intimate, personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ.

[C]

Start there.

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I think there's a lot of revelation we gain in prayer and time alone with God that we think we can't gain unless we're reading a book or sitting in a class. But I want to challenge that. The Holy Spirit speaks and he reveals. And there's a lot of things that I have learned sitting in God's presence. And so I think we shouldn't even talk about preaching if we're not talking about intimacy with God. We should not talk about platforms before we talk about altars.

[C]

Right.

[A]

And so I think if we're going to be effective in ministry, if we're going to be effective in proclamation, it has to begin with an altar, has to begin with a prayer life, has to begin with intimacy with the Lord. I would be afraid, me personally, Tim, not only preaching with a prayerless. A prayerless life, but I'll be afraid to listen to anybody who loves to proclaim, has no prayer life at all. I'm afraid of that person is not spending time with God. And so I would say to that person, let's start with intimacy with God. Let's start there.

[C]

Right.

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And let's then also move on to motive.

[C]

Right.

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What is. What is the motive behind that desire? Is it to be seen? Is it the affirmation of men? Is it that you really care about the state of the church and you want to be a voice of truth?

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Right.

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So I would then discern motive. Like what. What is the desire? Where is that coming from?

[C]

Right.

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Make sure your motive is pure and your desire for being a better expositor.

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Right.

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And then I will also then move to the Word of God. Like Tim and I are about to get into the word of God here in a second as we working, walking through Jude together. I got all kind of stuff Falling out of my Bible, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, you just stuffing stuff and you see my Bible falling apart. Your soul is being kept together.

[B]

That's a healthy Bible, right?

[A]

Oh, I got a Father's Day card for my kids in here.

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Little page keeper.

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Oh, little page keeper, yeah. And I would also say before anybody talks about being proclaimers of the Word, what is your fidelity to the text? Is there fidelity to the text?

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Right.

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Do you honor God's Word as holy, as authoritative, as the final governing authority for all life and practice and doctrine? Do you see God's Word as suggestions or as commandments? Is this breathe or is it just the words of men? I think if you have a low value of the Word, it's going to be hard to be faithful in proclamation and exegesis.

[C]

Right.

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If we only want to use it just for talking points, it's going to be hard to be faithful to it. And so I would start by the things other than what this person is probably fishing for, like what school should I go to? I feel like that's what the person is probably fishing for. Maybe I don't want to make a wrong assumption, but like, where can I go? And probably looking for us to make a recommendation in terms of a school, which I'm not going to do.

[B]

Right?

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But I want to start with the things that have nothing to do with school first. Intimacy with God, motive of heart. How do you view these scriptures?

[C]

Right.

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And do you care enough about them to not isogy and force things into the text that's not there? And make sure we honor the text enough to only pull out of the text what is there, Right. And not to make the text say things that's not there. Can you be faithful to the text? And I will start there, brother. Whoever asked that, I will start there. Intimacy with Christ. Your motive for why you want to be a good expositor? And what is your personal relationship with the word of God? How do you view it? Do you hold in a high regard or low regard?

[C]

Right.

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And then what type of people you have around your community? Are there other people around you that hold this word in high regard? Are you willing to do the hard work of study and digging into this text and sitting with God and wrestling the text to the floor and understanding the text in context? Who was the author? Who was the original audience? When did they write it? What was happening at the time it was written? What was the original message to the original audience when it was written? How do we build a bridge from the first century world or that ancient world to our modern world today. Are you willing to do that level of study to make sure you pull out of the text what's being said? Are you going to honor the people who wrote it? You got to start there. Before we even talk about school. Start there and then if you're really hungry, then the next step. I would say, man, higher education. I'm not going to make a recommendation on a school, but that would be the next step.

[C]

Absolutely.

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Your thoughts about that, Tim? I mean, would you agree or disagree?

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No, I totally agree.

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Tell me the truth. Do you agree what I'm saying?

[B]

I totally agree. I think a part of that also has to be accountability.

[A]

Yeah.

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You know, who are you submitted to?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

That can help develop the gift of.

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God in you, which is part of this next verse we're about to jump.

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That's it. So being gifted is one thing, Bill, but being gifted and accountable something completely different. We got a lot of gifted rogue individuals out there.

[C]

Yeah.

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In culture and society right now. But there's something powerful about knowing that God has gifted you.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And you're willing to put yourself around people to protect the gift of God in you.

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Let me ask you a question about that. Like you just said right now you feel like there's a rise of just rogue ministers out there. What do you think is causing that?

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Social media is a big part of that.

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Definitely.

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Comparison is a big part of that.

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Definitely.

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People confusing giftedness with themselves.

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Yeah, definitely.

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I think that there's a false assumption that because you have a gift in something that you are also anointed in something.

[A]

That's good. Unpack that.

[B]

And so anointing is a grace for a specific assignment. Like I'm talented at a bunch of things, but I'm anointed for one thing.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

You know what I'm saying? And so just to. Just to make sure that when I'm looking through the word of God, I'm leaning into the purpose and not just my passion.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

That's because passion is fleeting.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And passion will lead me into doing things that are self serving, that are self seeking. But the purpose of God, it always keeps me at the feet of Jesus. And because of that I have to be accountable.

[A]

What do you think about. About rogue ministers and rogue ministries that not accounted to any type of authoritative figure at all. A local church, no accountability in terms of their circles. What do you think about that?

[C]

Is.

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It's unfortunate that we have a plethora of that.

[C]

Yeah.

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I would also say that with that those movements, churches, they don't last very long because there's no root system that keeps them grounded and connected to the heart of Jesus.

[C]

Yeah.

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So when the winds of life blow, and they will, because the Word teaches us that, then they're shaken to the left or to the right. As a matter of fact, when we read Revelation and we see John talking about those seven churches, some of those churches that he's talking about are rogue churches who are not accountable, who are not surrendered, who are not submitted. And so we see that happening today, culture and society where there are churches and ministries and individuals who have so called ministries and churches, but all they have is followers online.

[C]

Yeah.

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That aren't submitted or accountable. Anybody. And that's a dangerous thing. A weapon without restraint, a weapon without safety can do a lot of harm to a lot of people.

[A]

Say that again, bro.

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A weapon without restraint, a weapon without safety can do a lot of harm to a lot of people.

[A]

Yeah, I know that person. I carry pistols.

[C]

Yeah.

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You know, on my, my share guns.

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Absolutely.

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And they got safeties on them 100%. And then you got some type of weapons that don't have safeties on them, you know, and, and one could be more dangerous if you don't know how.

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To handle, if you don't handle it appropriately.

[C]

Yeah.

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It will wound you.

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Yeah.

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That's.

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Or worse.

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Yeah.

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So it's the same thing when you have, you know, someone in a position of influence or authority without the safety of accountability, y, they begin to think that their gift is the best in.

[A]

The room and so powerful. Because that's what Jude is talking about here in Jude 8.

[C]

Right.

[A]

When he says yet in like manner. Because I want people to understand this whole letter of Jude is addressing the great threat to the church, which I think is the threat to the American church in this hour is the danger of false teaching, false prophets, false ministries, which I think is damaging the church. Damaging culture was damaging in Jude's time. The whole letter is a warning and a rebuke.

[C]

Right.

[A]

It is, it is a warning to the church to be mindful, but a rebuke to the false false prophet. And then, you know, in these verses he's rebuking those false prophets, which goes back to what you were just talking about.

[C]

Right.

[A]

He says, yet in like manner, these people also relying on dreams, defile the flesh, reject authority. There it is right there.

[C]

Right.

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Don't want nobody to tell me what to do. Not going to be submitted to anybody. Reject authority and blaspheme the glorious ones.

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Yeah.

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This Is powerful. So this is another sign of people who, we need to be mindful of, people who reject authority.

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Yeah.

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Don't want to be submitted to anyone. You was just talking about that. No accountability anywhere. Right, let's talk about that. Right. Because you talked about rogue ministers, rogue ministries, no authority.

[C]

Right.

[A]

Why should people on our street team, people watching should be mindful of leaders, preachers, teachers, Facebook, prophets, Tik tok prophets, inst. All this stuff we see. People always got a word, always got something to say. Always telling me about your 4am dream, your revelation from God. None of it could be backed scripture.

[C]

Y. Right.

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No authority.

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Right.

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Let's unpack that a little bit.

[B]

Yeah, man. So when, when I read this and.

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For our scriptures, because it's happening right now, Tim.

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It's prominent all over social media, all over the place. When, when, when we read this. If ever our dream outweighs God's word, we are not moved by a vision.

[A]

We are moved by delusion, facts.

[B]

And because me and you in these, these comments and we end, we end the chat, we, we read these messages, some of the things that we stumble upon. Not often, but sometimes not just on our pages, but on 2819's page or celebration church page, people will call us false teachers. Yeah, I read, read one just recently. Someone said, pam is legit. Yeah, but beware of Tim Timberlake. He is a false teacher and he is a church stealer.

[A]

Oh, man, I just seen somebody made a whole. Somebody just t. And they'd be brave. They be bold too.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

The whole video saying, you know, exposing Philip Anthony Mitchell, you know, he's dangerous to the body of Christ. He's a false teacher. You know, and I, I, I, I don't address any of that stuff no more because I used to be mad. But, but let, let this situation. Somebody said, you know, oh, Pam is legit. Tim Timberlake, you know, he, he's, he stole a church.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know, you, you haven't been able to talk about this.

[B]

Yeah, we go, we go get into it today. But are you, are you comfortable? I'm, I'm very comfortable.

[A]

Are you sure?

[B]

I'm positive.

[A]

We, we bought the.

[B]

Let's, let's open the can.

[A]

All right. So let me, let me, let me just, let me just set the stage for it.

[C]

Right?

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Let me just set the stage for it. Because some people might say, well, Tim Timberlake has rejected authority and blasphemed the glorious ones.

[C]

Right.

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So we're just gonna keep it honest right here on the pod.

[C]

Right.

[A]

Okay. So for all of our street team, y' all know that Tim Timberlake is the pastor of Celebration Church.

[C]

Yeah.

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A church he did not plant, a church he did not start, but a church he was.

[B]

He was asked to take.

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Asked to take over.

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Yep.

[A]

And. And the narrative goes, after some time is that he stole that church. And what ensued was two years of litigations and lawsuits. And you've been constrained from speaking and all these things. And I'll be honest. I'll say this. And I've watched you endure. I've watched you endure this with character. I watch you notice with Christ likeness, with humility. I've watched you pray for your enemies.

[C]

Right.

[A]

And I've watched you suffer.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Your family suffer. Death threats, all the things. And pull a local church out of a dark place to. Right now, that church is experiencing revival.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Thousands of people showing up. They're waiting online to get in. Overflows are overflowing. Traffic is backed up for miles. But when you took over, that room was empty.

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Yeah.

[A]

And your name was being persecuted and dragged through the mud, not only on social media, but also on television. Local television.

[C]

Yeah.

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So you're preaching to an empty room.

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Yeah.

[A]

They're giving you hell on local television.

[B]

Every single day.

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They're giving you hell on social media.

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The number one news cycle.

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Number one news cycle. In Jacksonville.

[B]

In Jacksonville.

[A]

For almost two years. And you couldn't say anything. You had to trust God to vindicate you. Can you talk now?

[B]

Absolutely. I think for those.

[A]

Why don't you address this? You know, this whole you stole a church thing. Like what. What happened there, Tim?

[B]

So a couple of things before we get into the spiritual stuff.

[A]

You ready? You sure you're ready for this?

[B]

I'm positive. I. I am.

[A]

Your lawyer said you could talk about this.

[B]

I am free to talk about it.

[A]

You sure about that?

[B]

I feel the freedom for you.

[A]

We don't want to know. What episode is this? 7. We don't want no lawsuits post episode 7.

[B]

If it comes, it comes. Like, if it comes, it comes. But. But just from a very practical perspective. Okay.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Let's talk about this, bro.

[B]

To say someone stole a church.

[C]

Yeah. They said.

[A]

They said Tim Timberlake was a dreamer. He. He rejected authority. He stole a church. Put you in verse eight.

[C]

Right.

[A]

Take yourself out of verse eight.

[B]

To. To say someone stole a church means a couple of things. Number one, they have to convince the governing body on the board to turn over authority. That's one thing. Whoever founded that church has to be kicked out of that church. So that authority could be transitioned or transferred.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Number three, the staff of that church would have to accept who they consider to be a thief as now their pastor. And then a people would have to follow so called thief. To get through all four of those hoops and hurdles is almost impossible. That's the practical side. The legal side is you cannot steal legally a church and maintain a church and maintain a 501C3 status and legally steal a church. You cannot do it from a spiritual and practical perspective. If you go online and you look at YouTube right now, you can see the transition service. You can see the passing of the baton, you can see the ordination service.

[A]

What year was that?

[B]

This is 2022.

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2022.

[B]

You can go on YouTube. It's on YouTube right now. You can. So you're listening to a person who is not submitted to accountability. You're listening to a person that was driven by greed. You're listening to a person who is inspired by selfish ambition and did not want to do the things that they said God told them to do. So you can't tell me God has asked me to ask you to come transition this church. And then the following year, okay, I no longer want to. Because now what I have built, what I have started, what I have, what I have amassed is no longer mine. And now I don't have an identity. You cannot follow a person like that who says God says one thing, but in reality they trust themselves. And so we talk about this whenever someone says God says, you can't argue with that person anymore.

[A]

Yeah, at that point I just back away. And I think even me as a shepherd, 12 years leading a church, you know, people will come to you and they will, they will start telling you what they want to do. And you may discern that this may not be God's will.

[C]

Right.

[A]

And in love, you're trying to lovingly guide that person towards God's will. And they say God said.

[B]

Yeah, right.

[A]

And I think sometimes we use God said, we use God said to affirm what we feel in our flesh.

[C]

And.

[A]

To push back against any argument that could come against us for what we're saying. And so we got to be careful with God said. I think God said gets a lot of people in trouble.

[C]

Right.

[A]

God said gets a lot of people in trouble. It leads a lot of people down wrong paths. It leads a lot of people into self delusion and leads a lot of people into deception.

[C]

Right.

[A]

And so even in this situation, I know you've prayed, you've prayed for this.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

Man of God, you've prayed for this person. You've talked to me about praying for this person. I think it's a good lesson too. A good lesson on character, that even, even when we have enemies to pray for. I pray for my enemies, bro. You know, I know. I assume you pray for your.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

I pray for my enemies. I, I kneel down and I actually pray for them. And I, I believe God for them. Some of them I know are plants of the devil. And so that I pray that God would deal with those a different way.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

Some of them, I think they just misunderstand or they have listened to wrong voices. And I pray that God would vindicate in time. But I pray for my enemy. I seen you pray. You've prayed for this particular pastor. I know this was diffic. You absolutely kind of just talk about what God has done in your heart through this whole two year process.

[B]

It's. It's one of those things for both me, Jen, our staff and our church.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Where we've seen the faithfulness of God against the tactics and the weapons of.

[A]

The Lord is revival, breaking out, celebration.

[B]

It is, it is a beautiful thing now, but we are in the season that we're in now because of how we steward it.

[A]

Last season talk about stewardship.

[B]

So stewardship does not work without accountability.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Because if there is no accountability, the seeds that God allows you to steward will be wasted.

[A]

And this is biblical because even Jesus, when he's teaching, when he talks, parables, parabolic stories about stewardship, he always talks about a master and a steward.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

And the fact that he always inserts a master and all of his stories about stewardship reminds us that There is accountability 100% attached to stewardship.

[B]

So just for a second, going back a little bit, to assume that either me or you as a false teacher would mean that someone has listened to an entire message of ours. And I would go on record to say people that call us false teachers have not even listened to an entire message. They're going off of the basis of what someone else told them or a.

[A]

Clip that they take, or a clip.

[B]

That someone has edited or something that somebody's chopped or whatever the case may be, but they have not listened to a message. They have not heard our heart. And if they're saying that you are legit, I'm a false teacher, then what does that mean about your character to associate with?

[A]

And I'm running with a false teacher.

[C]

You know what I'm saying?

[A]

Right, right.

[B]

So when it comes to that, I think we have to be very careful to judge people that we have never heard, number one, judge people that we don't know.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So I never try to bring correction personally to someone that I'm not in proximity to.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

If I know that it's a wolf and I've listened to a message and I see them leading sheep astray and I see they're not accountable, then I'll speak on it.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And so when it came to our church and what our church was experiencing and the things that our church had to navigate and go through, I had to discuss the wrongdoings, the mishandling, the mismanagement, the misappropriation of resources, of people, of things that God had called the church to steward. And when I did that.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

That's when we were sued for defamation.

[A]

Got you. I got you. That makes sense.

[B]

And so to date, every lawsuit that has been bought against me or the church has lost.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

You've been completely vindictive.

[B]

Every single one.

[A]

All of them are done.

[B]

All of them. As far as defamation against me, our board, which let me say, the board that is still the board now, those board members were board members then.

[A]

And I think. You know what's also powerful in your story because you haven't had a chance to really talk about this.

[C]

Right.

[A]

And I think it's also powerful somebody watching right now because. Right. This is Tim's story of a two year battle that has been very painful for you and I've watched you walk through this. But it's also the story of a lot of our. A lot of our streets people who are going through things and have to wait for vindication.

[C]

Right.

[A]

Or have to show the character to not be retaliatory. I think if we trust God, we have to trust his word to work and we have to trust the spirit to work in time and not feel as if we have to take every offense into our own hands, bro.

[B]

And it is.

[A]

And I think sometimes it's a show of a lack of trust when we feel like we have to defend ourselves all the time. Like you talk about people who call you a false teacher, and people have called me a false teacher and say I'm dangerous for the body of Christ. Dangerous, bro. And, you know, they make, you know, videos exposing Philippa Anthony mentioned all this stuff. I remember that used to bother me a lot.

[C]

Right.

[A]

It doesn't bother me so much anymore. But I've learned to not respond because when the things used to, when they first started, maybe blame them streets.

[C]

Right.

[A]

The New York in me wants Me to just retaliate. Right. But I don't do that anymore.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, I find more solace in praying for my enemies.

[C]

Right.

[A]

And trusting God to vindicate us in time. I also like what you said. People who may have called you a false teacher or whatever the case may be, or myself. Have they listened to a whole message? Have they listened to a series? Have they listened to that preaching over time? I think it's easy to label somebody a false teacher and not take time to listen to their teaching over time.

[B]

Absolutely right.

[A]

Or you see us striving out here to honor God's word. You know, would a false teacher encourage people to keep reading the bible for themselves?

[B]

100%.

[A]

Would a false teacher exalt Christ all the time? Would a. Would a false teacher, you know, try to exalt Christ above all these other things? And so I think it's easy sometimes to maybe even disagree with a sermon clip. You may see something said that could have been said better or maybe they misquoted a scripture. Does that make that person a false teacher? I think that's a very strong accusation. To call somebody a false teacher or wolf of sheep's clothes, I think is a very strong accusation. I think today we throw it around too flippantly.

[C]

Yeah, right.

[A]

False prophet, false teacher. We throw around too flippantly. I mean, we talked about false prophets in our last podcast. We should also add any person that prophesies and proclaims and those words keep falling to the floor.

[C]

Come on.

[A]

Was not sent by God. So we can add that, too. But I think we got to be careful not to label people a false teacher because they may have made a mistake in a message or quoted something wrong. Especially when you have not listened to the body of that person to see their character.

[B]

And you said something last episode. We watch this person over time.

[A]

Yeah, time, yeah. Talking about the brother in Florida. Absolutely.

[B]

I'm talking about years and years and years. And so I think, you know, for us that are on this journey, watch people over time.

[C]

Watch.

[B]

Watch the fruit. And you said something about responding, I think is so powerful. When I was being called all types of names on social media by this particular person, this person called me Hitler. This person said that I was sex trafficking women. This person said that I was laundering money. Like just horrible things. And people would send me these things. And God encouraged me to do something. He says, you respond like me, but I want you to react like me, too. And so when I'm seeing these things and I'm reading these things and I'm getting these video snippets of this individual saying all these just horrendous lies about me, my family, the church, like, literally trying to tear our church apart. So you want to know what a false teacher is? A false shepherd, A false pastor? Someone that is trying to divide the body of Christ.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

That is a false teacher.

[A]

100%.

[B]

You know what I'm saying? That is the fruit of a false teacher. So whenever I am gauging what I hear and see by someone that. That calls themselves a man or a woman of God, are they bringing unity to the body or are they bringing division?

[A]

Can I. Can I read something to our street team about that? Absolutely. All right, so, street team, I want y' all to listen to this.

[C]

Right.

[A]

What Tim was just talking about. You said a person who's false teacher, oftentimes one of the signs, is a person that loves to bring division to the body.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Right.

[A]

And I think what I'm about to say, everybody knows about the fruit of the Spirit.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Not fruits.

[B]

Yeah, fruit.

[A]

Fruit, Right. Once you're saved, it's in there.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

And the Holy Spirit has to work it out over a period of salvation. But before we get to the fruit of the spirit in Galatians 5. 22, I want you to listen to the fruit and the. And the acts of the flesh.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Because when y' all see these things, you got to say that this is not the character of people who claim to be followers of Christ. Prophets, apostles, evangelists, teachers, the person that persecuted you for two years. I want to read this to y' all in Galatians chapter 5, where Paul writes to the churches in Galatia and he's rebuking them for drifting from biblical teaching back towards false doctrine. He says to them in Galatians, chapter five, he says in verse 16. But I say Paul said, walk by the Spirit and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. So he's making an argument if you walk in the Spirit, we won't see these things manifesting in you. For the desires of the flesh are against. Against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other to keep you from doing the things you want to do. So they are diametric. They are diabolically opposed to each other. It is white and black.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

There's no gray. Now, verse 19, when you see these things acting up in people's lives, we know we're dealing with somebody we should be careful of.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

Right now, the Works of the flesh are evident, right? Sexual immorality. It's like you enjoy that life with no repentance, impurity. Forget Psalm 24, sensuality, you know, oh, no, you can while out and do what you want. The Lord loves you. Idolatry, you see, the worship of self sorcery, that's. That's witchcraft. Divination, horoscopes, crystals, mystics, psychics, all these things, Divinations, envy, always jealous. And because you're jealous, you're always saying something about other people out of jealousy. Drunkenness, orgies and the likes. I warn you, look what he says. Listen, and I don't want to go back to this one right here in the middle in verse 20, when he says, watch this enmity and strife, Watch this jealousy. And I want to land on this one right here. Fits a of anger and revelries. And there it is right there, Tim. Dissensions.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

Divisions and divisions. Yeah, dissensions and divisions. Envy, drunkenness, orgies and things that are like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But that's your prophet, though.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That'S your man of God. That's your man of God.

[B]

That's your woman of God.

[A]

That's your woman of God. But your man of God or your woman of God are sexually immoral. They're sensual, they're impure. They worship themselves. They're divisive. They got fits of rage and anger and revelries. They're always trying to divide the body and division. Every time they talk that someone sees a division. But that's your woman of God, though, and that's your man of God.

[B]

That's your man.

[A]

Never mind what, what Jesus taught in the Sermon on the Mount. Blessed are the right, the poor spirit. We go through the Beatitudes and he comes down to Beatitudes and he says, man, blessed are the peacemaker.

[C]

Right.

[A]

For they will be called the sons of the kingdom.

[C]

Right. But.

[A]

But your woman of God or your man of God, they love fits of rage. They love division. They love this. And every time they talk, every time they make a video, they're dividing the body of Christ. Paul said, watch. He said, that is a show of the sign of the flesh. Absolutely. Now watch now for the person who don't have this knowledge, Tim, they won't read, but they see their man of God and their woman of God behaving that way. And they keep sowing, keep supporting, keep saying, oh, this is a woman of God. This is a man of God. But you don't even see that behavior goes against the word of God. So now where is your. Where does your confidence lie? Does it lie in people? Do you exalt platforms above God's word? You see what I'm saying? Because that in itself is a form of idolatry where we exalt people above God's word. So the Word. If the Word can't hold them accountable, man, I'm about to throw this Bible. If the Word can't hold them accountable, then there is nothing that's going to hold them accountable.

[B]

Do you know why we listen to these people?

[A]

I mean, tell them, Sam.

[B]

Because we are more attracted with the future than we are faithfulness, man.

[A]

This is a fact. And we worship them.

[B]

Come on.

[A]

And we won't hold them accountable. And if we don't have this word in us, we won't even know we're being led astray by false prophets and false teachers and false pastors and false leaders. And so when we even think about the behavior of this man that persecuted for two years and others, right? I don't want to spend all our time talking about him. But I think we got to hold people accountable based on this word. I got to hold myself accountable based on. You got to hold yourself absolutely right. There's times when I feel like I've errored, I've made a mistake, and I got to hold this mirror up, up. I'm like, man, I've missed it in this area.

[C]

But.

[B]

But let's just talk about this for a second, because I don't think people understand the significance of accountability and relationship. If there is ever a point in time where something I say, I feel uncomfortable about, I ask you or something you say, you say, tim, did I miss it?

[A]

I come to you.

[B]

That is accountability. Because iron sharpens iron, right? You know what I'm saying? And so I think that sometimes people believe we just two associates that have a podcast instead of two brothers that have a relationship, who have a relationship that are doing life together, best friends.

[A]

And trying to keep each other accountable in life and ministry, in business. And all these things, you know, we said. Like when you heard me say this on the pulpit, what. What did that sound like to you? Absolutely. Was that wrong?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Was that. You know what I'm saying? Like, even when the whole situation blew up with me, you know, earlier, I don't know, it was April, right around Resurrection Sunday, and I was like, man, did I miss it? And I had to come back and apologize Like, I missed it in this 8 o' clock gathering. I got it right in this 10 or 12. I had to go back and refer and I had to take ownership from that.

[C]

Right.

[A]

And I think even things like that is a sign of character.

[C]

Right.

[A]

It's like, did we miss it? Can we own it? Can we apologize? Can we. Course. Correct. But that's not what we're talking about. What you've been through for the last two years, we've seen no. Course. Correct. We've seen no ownership, intentional destruction. And we see that in Galatians, fits of rage, dissension, divisions. These things do not come from God. They don't come from God. These things are of the flesh and of the enemy.

[C]

Yeah, Right.

[A]

And so let me ask you a question now. What was it like for you having to trust God through that process? Was there ever time you wavered and believing God will vindicate me? Was there ever a time you was wary and felt like, lord, I don't know if I can continue to deal with this. There. There's. There's people on our street team right now who are watching. They feel that, you know, they're going through something and saying, like, lord, I want to lash out. I want to. I want to retaliate. What was that like for you, kind of constraining yourself during that season?

[B]

It's tiring. It is tiring because we are human. We got feelings. We see in the comments. You see the posts, you see the news, you see the narrative. And the reality is, is no one is intrigued by the truth. Everyone is intrigued by the headlines.

[A]

I mean, people love drama.

[B]

They love it.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So you, you know, just based off of the last season, how many people have taken your name and have taken something out of context that is clickbait, and they monetize it for their own personal gain.

[C]

Right.

[B]

It's tiring. But I think the beauty of it is, and the sobering reminder is if they did it to Jesus, who are we to think that it will not happen to us?

[A]

Can I just say. Let me just say this, too. I do think it's important to say, and I'll speak for both of us, that I do want to say that we're not above critique. No. Right. I want the people watching to know that we are not above critique. We're not above being coached and corrected. And I think if I've missed it, I want to. I want to own that. I want to. Course correct. Like, if you missed it, we want to own that we're in a course because we're not above critique. This is not us saying that in our humanity we have not made mistakes. No, but what we're talking about is something else. We're talking about. We're talking about the sin of slander that hides behind the guise of righteous critique. This is not righteous critique. What you've been through the last two years wasn't righteous critique. It's the sin of slander and the sin of hatred and envy and revelry and strife and discord to try to attempt to dismantle God's work.

[C]

Right.

[A]

And watching you suffer through that, but you suffer through that with grace and with character. You know, I think sometimes God allows us. You know. You know, so much scripture I'm thinking about right now. You know, when Paul writes to the church in Philippi, he says something very powerful. He writes to the church, he says he talks about some sufferings as being granted from God, almost like a gift.

[C]

Right?

[A]

And there's some of us who will go through things. There are people watching right now who are going through things and will go through things that God has actually allowed, is given it to you as a gift. There's some suffering God has granted. That's what Paul said to the church of Philippi. There's some sufferings that are granted. And what God is doing in those things is perfecting character in our faith, but also putting character on display. There are few things that puts character on display. More like pressure. That's true. And trouble and hardship and difficulty that has the ability to put character on display. Even like right now, like God is breathing on both of our ministries. But that. But there's a lot of heat.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

It's a lot of pressure. There's a lot of attacks, a lot of warfare, a lot of arrows, a lot of darts. You've just come out of something tumultuous for two years.

[C]

And. But.

[A]

But you know what I've seen in all of that, though, Tim? You know what I've seen in you? Godly character.

[C]

Right?

[A]

I've seen godly character on full display. Your wife has seen godly character on full display. Your son. Yeah, Right. Little Max. He has seen godly character on full display. You have a staffer in the studio right now. This brother over here, right, who's been at that church. Bro. How long you been there, brother? Been over there. We ain't gonna say her name on the podcast, but this brother been there for eight years, and he's watched your godly character on display.

[C]

Right?

[A]

You have people who stayed senior. Godly character. So if anything, although you've been vindicated, right? And God knows how to vindicate us in time. There are people right now who are going through things that feel very, very uncomfortable and painful and don't even realize that God is using that to put something on display. He's using it to put faith on display, strength on display, confidence in him in display, confidence in his word on display. In your case, great character. He used to put your character on display. I. I've watched you go through this and never crucify that man in public. Never speak evil of that man in public. I've watched you show honor, pray.

[C]

Right?

[A]

And now that you're on the backside of some of those lawsuits, man, what we see is, man, Tim Timberlake. No, that's a real one. Tim Timberlake is a real one.

[C]

He, He.

[A]

He handled himself with such Christ likeness. And now character has been placed on display, Right? And, and I think the, the affirmative, the affirmation of heaven is that when all of this started, man, you preach into an empty room. And numbers, I'm not saying numbers is the affirmation for everybody, but God has breathed on your ministry and people have come and they've been fed and marriages have been restored and lives have been transformed. Souls have been saved there. People are waiting in line to get in and the highways backed up. God has affirmed you as his son and as his servant by trusting you with all of the sheep.

[C]

Right?

[A]

And so, so even when I think about, like, this, brother, and people who, who stayed by your side, they. They seen a man of character come through these ashes. And it's almost like I love how the fact that I'm reminded of the scripture that says how God brings beauty out of ashes.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And right now, what he's brought out of your story, right, is something very, very beautiful. He's brought beauty out of ashes. And I hope that encourages life. Somebody who's watching right now, maybe you're not going through something as graphic as Tim, you know, and we didn't get into all the details, but it's been very, very difficult for my brother for the last two years with lawsuits and his name in the media and all these other things. And maybe you're not so high profile. Maybe your name is not in the nightly news, maybe somebody's not calling you out on Facebook. But you know what it is to be going through something and wondering, why is God allowing this? Why is this person speaking evil of you? Why are you being persecuted in this way, shape, form or fashion, or. I'm wondering, where's God in all of this? And maybe he's just putting you on display. I mean, you and I have the luxury. Like, when we read Job, we have the luxury of seeing why God was allowing him to go through that. And yes, we know that he was rewarded at the end. But if you read Job very carefully, Job never knew why God allowed him to go through that. We know from the text that God is bragging on him from heaven, But Job living through that in the moment.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

He doesn't have the luxury of knowing that God is saying, have you considered my servant Job? Have you considered my servant Tim? You know, have you considered my servant Philip? And so there's somebody watching right now on the street team who is not going through the level of what you're going through, but is going through nonetheless.

[C]

Right.

[A]

And I feel like you should be encouraged that God is a vindicator. Yeah, we can say that.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

He knows when is the right season to vindicate.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

He knows how to deal with your enemies. He knows how to exalt your character to be seen in all of that. And then what is our response to all of that?

[C]

That. Right.

[A]

Pray.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

Pray for our enemies, showing good character, not trying to retaliate and take things into our own hands.

[C]

Right.

[A]

And remain under authority.

[C]

Right.

[A]

So we definitely don't see you in verse eight, Tim.

[C]

Amen. Right.

[A]

We don't see you in verse eight. We see. We don't see you there in verse eight, A man who stole a church and rejected authority and blasphemed. Now we don't. We don't see you there.

[C]

We.

[A]

We see a man who was done wrong and maintained godly character and came out something on the other side.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Let me touch on something you said very quickly. These moments put you on display.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And the work with Jesus you do in private will be displayed in public.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I was a very angry young man. I was a very violent young man.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I was in these streets, and I had no ambition to live beyond 21. And that life.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I know that life was leading me.

[B]

Into a place of wickedness. I know that life and darkness.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And so one of the greatest indications for me from the last season that God has done a redemptive work in my soul.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Is that it did not take me back to who I used to be.

[A]

And what you used to do.

[B]

I have never talked bad about this person. And I wanted to. I have never mentioned this person publicly by name. And I wanted to and every time I got ready to say something or do something that the Holy Spirit did not yield me to do, he told me to be quiet. And I obeyed. Because at the end of the day, regardless of what happens to me, regardless of what happens to my. My identity and my name and my title, it does not matter as long as the Gospel is continued to be preached. And I think for our audience and our listeners, if we are more concerned about how we are viewed by people, then we are received by our Father. We miss an opportunity to put on display the redemptive work that Jesus has done for us.

[A]

I think that's so powerful. You know, like, even as I hear you talk, one of the things that I'm trying to do right now, because, like, my name is clickbait for a lot of people.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, Tim, I'm really trying to focus on just preparing the way. You know, I say that with our staff all the time. They're preparing the way, you know, and. And you know how the scripture says scoffers are going to scoff, they're going to mock.

[C]

Yep.

[A]

Pray for them and try not to retaliate. Doesn't mean, like, it doesn't bother you.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Every now and then. But to be honest, man, I don't know if I have the energy to be fighting people back all the time. Just. I think I've grown past that to some degree.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm so focused on the fact that. But, like, these clouds I'm staring at under this window, like, that sky is going to split and the Savior's coming back, and it's. Do we want to waste our time fighting other believers and fighting false prophets, or do we want to spend our time preparing the way, you know, for the coming of the Lord? I chose the latter.

[C]

Yeah, right.

[A]

I don't want to spend my time fighting people all over this place. I want to spend my time preparing the way, and I want to be remembered for doing that. Like, I want to die and be found faithful. And that's what we're going to be about. And so I just. I want to commend you as your brother, bro. Like.

[C]

Like, right here.

[A]

Like, all jokes aside, right? Like, no pretense. I need to commend you as my. As my brother. And I want to tell you that I'm proud of you because you could have handled the situation a different way. You could have showed face. You could have set a bad example for your church and for your wife and for your son. But I want to commend you, bro, for Handling this with such grace and such humility and which godly character. I think we will look back on this five years from now, ten years from now, and your story will be one thing and somebody else's story will be another thing. I just want to tell you as your brother, man, I'm proud of how you handle this situation. You've encouraged me through this. You've given me hope through this. I've learned to. Because while you were going through this is when God kind of breathed on my ministry. And so I've learned a lot from you on how to deal with vitriol and hate. Scoffing. I've learned a lot from you about that. And so I thank you for what I've learned from you and what you've taught me through this whole process. Some of the things you've taught me in our private conversations about not to deal with certain levels of vitriol. And I just want to tell you I'm proud of you. And I am. I remember when we talked about this the first time. And to know that we can sit here today and say that you're on the other side now of the legal side of that battle and you're coming out of a dark place and we can celebrate Jesus together for walking with you through the shadow of death, through the valley of death, through that dark place, he walk with you through that. He is faithful to his word. He's faithful to what he said in Psalm 23. And he walked with you through that. He's now bringing you out on the other side. And we get to celebrate God's faithfulness in your life. And this is not to condemn anybody else, but this is to celebrate your faithfulness.

[C]

Right.

[A]

And our prayers is that we'll be able to do the same for some of you guys. I don't even. I can't even imagine what's on the other side of this camera right now. I can't even imagine what some people may be going through. And I just want to encourage you that if you find yourself right now in heat or trial or tribulation or hardship, maybe God is bragging on you. Maybe he's perfecting something in you. Maybe he's perfecting your faith. He's building your character. And sometimes the prayer is not always a prayer of deliverance, but a prayer of being kept in it.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

And allowing God to do what he needs to do in you. I think we have an escape mindset all the time. As soon as we feel pressure, we want out. I've been teaching myself in some of the pressure I'm in, not to just pray for deliverance only, but God, what are you teaching me in this? What can I learn? How are you perfecting my character? You know, is there something in me that needs to be worked out in the midst of this and asking God to do a work in you while you're in it and not just deliver you from it. And so I want to just take a second and just pray for people on our street team, people watching this message right now who you're just going through heat, trial, testing, tribulation, hardship, difficulty, betrayal. Yeah, betrayal. There's a, there's somebody watching right now. And you, you're trying to co parent with somebody who's ungodly and they're sewing seeds. I feel this in my spirit. They're sowing seeds of discord into the hearts of your child. And when your child comes to your house, you're seeing things come out of your child that's coming from the other spouse and you're tempted to retaliate the same way and sow evil back into that child. That child don't need that, right? And so like two wrongs is not going to make it right. And there's a spouse right now grieving because of this co parenting situation. Just feel broken like that child keep coming back with all of that negativity in them. Instead of teaching that child evil about the other spouse, man, pray for that child. Like anoint their head with oil in the middle of the night, right? And cover them.

[C]

Right?

[A]

And so we want to, we want to pray for you and encourage you and, and I don't, I don't think, I mean, we didn't, I don't think we use this episode to, to trash anybody, but use this episode to just talk about authority in verse 8 and, and to just answer the, the question somebody wrote on YouTube, you know, is Tim Timberlake a church stealer? I'll answer it for you. The answer is no, he didn't steal anything. He was given something he has stewarded with grace and godliness. And today God has rewarded him for his faithfulness, Eternal God and ever wise Father.

[C]

Lord.

[A]

We just want to pray for people who are listening and watching right now who are going through immense trial and difficulty and hardship. We want to pray for spouses who are battling great difficulty with unruly, ungodly parent civil unrest and beef. Children that are being used as pawns to pit one another against each other. We want to pray for children who are in the Midst of that kind of battle, God, that you would protect them and shield them. We want to pray for people who are going through trials and testing right now, like Job. We want to pray that you would strengthen and fortify their character in the midst of what they're going through. We want to pray that they would trust you to vindicate them in time and that you would bring them out, God, in the right season. I want to ask God, for hands that are weary, that you would strengthen hands that are weary, you will strengthen hearts, God, that are broken. I want to pray, God, that you strengthen them in their inner man with might by the power of their holy Spirit. That they would bury their face in the word. They would shed tears on the pages of scripture. They will hold on to hope with their life and not let it go. We want to pray for the one right now who is shedding tears on the other side of this camera, that they would know that what they're feeling right now is a sense of assurance that they are not forsaken and they are not forgotten, but that you are right there with them in the middle of whatever they are going through right now. So, Father, we pray that you would draw them to yourself. They would feel your warmth and your comfort. They will feel the sense of assurance, God, that you are walking with them through the valley of the shadow of death and that you will bring them out on the other side, Father, even if it means death.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

That they would be vindicated in this life or the next. We thank you. We have a hope that goes beyond this life, that transcends our circumstances, that goes into the next life. We pray encouragement and healing and strength and comfort. And for all of our street team and people watching us right now, remember them right now. Lord, we ask in the mighty, in the majestic, in the matchless name of our soon God, king, the Lord Jesus Christ. And thank you, holy Spirit. God, I want to pray for Tim's persecutor, that you would do a work in that man's life, that you would bring him to a place of repentance. And I just lift up a prayer for all of our enemies.

[C]

Yes, Lord.

[A]

I pray you would cause some to drop their weapons.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You would cause others to repent. You would cause others to become friends and supporters and others you were just put to shame. I pray for our enemies, God, that you would respond to them according to your perfect will. And I pray for this man that maybe he can be redeemed and use God in another season now, Lord, I ask all of this in the mighty, in the majestic and the matchless name of our soon coming King, the Lord Jesus Christ. Amen and Amen. Amen. Thank you for watching this episode of the Street Preachers Podcast. Do us a favor. If you've been blessed like share, subscribe, go on Spotify, Apple, all these things. Leave a Review if this has been a blessing to you. We're just doing all we can, Tim and I, to get the Gospel to as many people as possible. You can help us do that by leaving those reviews and pray for us as we're taking those Journey of faith access October 12, 2025 continue to support Tim in his book the Bumpy Road to Better. There it is. Go ahead and pick that up. It's week three that has been out. We like what Jesus is doing there.

[C]

Thank you.

[A]

We appreciate what the Lord is doing there. Our tour is right around the corner. StreetPreaches TV if there's still tickets left, meet us where we're gonna be. We love you. We appreciate you always praying for you. We see you in our next episode of Street Preachers Podcast. Be blessed.

[B]

We pray you were blessed by this content and this episode. We want to thank our street team for following us on this journey when I ask that you continue to share like subscribe as we endeavor to continue to bring you the Word of God.