Street Preachers Podcast Tour | Behind the Scenes

Summary

Street Preachers Podcast Tour | Behind the Scenes

Hosts: Phillip Anthony Mitchell & Tim Timberlake
Date: January 27, 2026
Podcast: Street Preachers

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Episode Overview

In this special "Behind the Scenes" episode, Tim Timberlake and Philip Anthony Mitchell recount their journey through launching the first-ever Street Preachers Podcast Tour. Broadcasting from their New York studio, the hosts open up about the faith, challenges, and raw experiences that fueled their innovative approach to spreading the Gospel—moving from the studio out into the streets. At its heart, this conversation dives deep into walking by faith, navigating fears, the reality of stepping into the unknown, and the power of obedience in ministry.

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Main Theme

Walking by Faith, Not by Sight—On and Off the Stage

The hosts explore what it really means to "walk by faith and not by sight" in ministry and life. They connect this biblical truth to their personal struggles, doubts, and breakthroughs as they transitioned their podcast from a studio-based show to a nationwide tour, relying on God against all odds.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Faith in Action: Living the Message

• Both Tim and Phil emphasize that every believer is on a journey of faith, led by an often unseen God, striving to trust Him daily.
  • Phil: “God is leading us like a flashlight in the dark that gives you just enough light to see a few steps right in front of you.” (02:42)
• The famous scripture, 2 Corinthians 5:7 ("We walk by faith, not by sight"), inspires the episode, leading to a candid examination of faith in the hosts’ lives and ministry.

2. The Hindrance of Sight and Power of Spiritual Vision

• Tim notes how our physical reality often distracts or scares us out of God-given purpose:
  • Tim: “Oftentimes in order for me to see what God said, I have to close my eyes from what I’m currently seeing.” (05:22)
  • This ties into the story of Peter walking on water—when Peter lost sight of Jesus and focused on the storm, he sank. Yet Tim points out, there's no record of Peter swimming back or being carried; by implication, he must have walked back with Jesus—a metaphor for refixing our eyes on faith.
• The conversation centers around the ability to envision (“foresight”)—seeing what God has spoken, even before you experience it.

3. Normalizing Fear—but Not Surrendering to It

• Phil shares the importance of understanding that fear is a normal human emotion, even in faith walks:
  • Phil: “Fear is not abnormal. It’s part of the human experience. But what is not normal is allowing fear to paralyze you from stepping into what God has called you to do.” (11:05)

4. The Podcast Tour: A Leap of Faith

• Tim’s vision to take the podcast into the streets felt radical and intimidating to Phil, particularly given their limited resources and following.
  • Phil: “We don’t got no money in the bank... We only like two, three episodes in, and you talking about doing a tour.” (12:51)
• The two openly discuss their doubts, insecurities, and family pressures as the prospect of a tour became real.

5. Testimonies of God’s Faithfulness

• Phil recounts personal miracles, such as his daughter Izzy's resurrection at birth, and the tendency for even strong believers to forget previous acts of God during new challenges.
  • Phil: “Sometimes we could get amnesia real quick... and we could forget that God is faithful.” (14:30)
• The importance of remembering God’s faithfulness in past seasons, even while letting go of negative memories.

6. Behind-the-Scenes Tensions: No Promotion, No Tickets

• The hosts admit they resisted traditional marketing and promotion, letting God “draw the people” if the tour was His will.
• Internal team frustration: their tour manager, Dinora Pina, was concerned about the lack of promotion and ticket sales.
• Phil admits to “throwing out a fleece,” refusing to personally post about the tour as a test of God’s will. (22:25)

7. God Shows Up: Dallas Tour Stop

• Despite their hesitation and lack of promotion, the Dallas event sells out unexpectedly, confirming God’s hand on the tour, but Phil still struggles emotionally, carrying both family tension and a sense of reluctance.
• The hosts share a behind-the-scenes moment of deep prayer and the tangible presence of God before stepping on stage.
  • Tim: “We sat there for 30 minutes at least, and we just wept, I remember, at the presence of God.” (31:45)

8. Impartation over Inspiration

• The episode spotlights the night in Dallas, where Phil, Tim, and Priscilla Shirer ministered by hugging, praying for, and laying hands on every attendee—highlighting the power of direct spiritual impartation.
  • Tim: “This is why these nights are needed, not just for encouragement, not just for inspiration, but for impartation.” (38:45)

9. Wrestling with Calling vs. Cost

• The personal cost of obedience—family sacrifices, ministry strain, travel fatigue—is considered honestly.
• Phil contemplates ending the tour after one powerful night, but Tim admonishes him not to stop short of the mandate:
  • Tim: “There are people that need the oil that is being pressed out of you in this season… we would do the body of Christ and the kingdom of God a disservice to stop right now.” (42:14)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Phil: “Fear is not abnormal. It’s part of the human experience. But what is not normal is allowing fear to paralyze you from stepping into what God has called you to do.” (11:05)
• Tim: “Oftentimes in order for me to see what God said, I have to close my eyes from what I’m currently seeing.” (05:22)
• Phil: “Sometimes we could get amnesia real quick... and we could forget that God is faithful.” (14:30)
• Tim: “Even though I doubt, I’m willing to risk fear, failing in obedience.” (16:28)
• Phil: “We had no script. We worshipped with the people... we just followed the Holy Spirit.” (38:55)
• Tim: “This is why these nights are needed, not just for encouragement, not just for inspiration, but for impartation.” (38:45)
• Phil: “When I walked out there, I said, ‘Dang, this is what my brother saw.’” (37:45)
• Tim: “We sat there for 30 minutes at least, and we just wept... at the presence of God.” (31:45)
• Tim: “There are people that need the oil that is being pressed out of you in this season… we would do the body of Christ and the kingdom of God a disservice to stop right now.” (42:14)

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Key Timestamps

• 00:00 – 04:27 | Setting the Stage: Faith, scripture, and season reflection
• 05:22 – 07:19 | The challenge of walking by faith, spiritual vision, Peter on the water
• 11:05 – 15:25 | Normalizing fear, God’s faithfulness, launching the podcast tour
• 19:38 – 23:01 | Real tour talk: family pressures, doubts, promotion challenges
• 24:13 – 29:03 | The impact of not marketing, preparing for Dallas, personal costs
• 30:42 – 34:13 | The Dallas breakthrough: backstage worship, manifest presence
• 37:44 – 39:25 | Unscripted ministry, impartation, and validation of calling
• 41:32 – 43:20 | Wrestling with continuation, mandate from God, heading into D.C.

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Takeaways for Listeners

• Walking by faith is messy, human, and full of tension. Even faith leaders wrestle with fear, family cost, and doubt.
• Spiritual vision means seeing with God's eyes when your own vision fails you.
• God honors obedience—even if reluctant or fearful—especially when aimed at serving others.
• True ministry sometimes means setting aside comfort, calculations, and conventional wisdom (marketing, strategy) in favor of radical trust in God.
• Impartation—personal ministry and presence—can have a greater impact than just encouragement or information.

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Overall Tone & Language

Candid, authentic, raw, and faith-filled. Tim and Phil model vulnerability and brotherhood, using street-wise honesty (“I was on my Jonah”) alongside deep spiritual reflection.

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For More

Listeners are encouraged to seek out more content and share the message—because as the hosts reaffirm, “revival doesn’t wait for a microphone.”

Transcript

[A]

What's up, street team family? You're watching this episode of the Street Preachers podcast with your hosts, Tim Timberlake and Philip Anthony Mitchell. And you are tuned in to our special behind the scenes series of our very first Street Preachers Podcast tour. Stay locked.

[B]

What's going on, street team? We are back for another incredible season. We want to say happy New Year. Welcome to the new year. Me and my brother Phil, we are excited about what God has in store for this season and the things that we'll be discussing, the places that we'll be going, what God is unpacking to us and what we sense as an urgent message to get to you. And so my encouragement for you today is to lean into what we'll be discussing, and I believe all of us will be greatly impacted because of the word of God. Phil, how you feeling, bro?

[A]

I'm feeling good. I'm feeling grateful. You know, here we are in our studio in New York, Season 2 of the Street Preachers Podcast, and. And just feeling blessed for all that God has done. You know, it's been an incredible journey, season one. Yeah. And I'm just. I'm just thankful for that and want to also take a moment to just give a shout out personally to again, all of our street team, everybody who supports the podcast from around the country and around the world. And, man, if this podcast has been a blessing to you, we just want to encourage you to continue to share it with others. Subscribe, share it, but shout out to the street team. Shout out to all the people we had a chance to meet in season one of our podcast. It was incredible. And so we're just thankful to be back here in the studio and got a word on our heart.

[B]

Yeah, man.

[A]

That we want to talk about. We know that there are a lot of people right now who are watching us. All of us are in a journey of faith. Yeah, we are. We are walking with the Lord, who is the author and the finisher of our faith. We are following a God who, for the most part, is invisible, who made himself visible in the person of Jesus Christ. And all of us right now, with the help of the Holy Spirit, are trying to obey God, trying to follow God, trying to hear from God in our individual lives, in our marriages, our ministries, the things that God is calling us to do. And. And faith is germane to everybody, right?

[B]

If.

[A]

If you are a follower of Jesus Christ, faith is germane to you. And we're all trying to walk this out by faith, Right. I don't think there's anyone Right now, who calls himself a follower of Christ who has it all figured out.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Right. God is. Is leading us like a flashlight in the dark that gives you just enough light to see a few steps right in front of you. Right. And so the scripture says the word is like a lamp onto our feet and a light onto our pathway. Right. And so all of us who are following Christ, from pastors, lay leaders, to the single mom and, you know, the businessman who loves Jesus, we're just trying to follow that light in front of our footsteps. And, And. And Tim and I want to talk a. Take this second to talk about faith and what that meant to us in season one. And there's a passage that's on our heart. I love. I love the noise in the background.

[B]

I love it. We're back home.

[A]

We. We in New York City. Our. Our home studio. The apostle Paul was right into the church in ancient Corinth. And in 2nd Corinthians, 2nd Corinthians 5 and verse 7, Paul says something very powerful, and this is what he says. He says, for we walk by faith and not by sight. Yeah. He used plural pronouns when he makes the statement. Speaking of the body of Christ, speaking of all of us who are followers of Jesus, he says, we walk by faith and not by sight. And as Tim and I was kind of praying through this and thinking about this, we just thought about the impact of this passage for our personal lives and also for our podcast.

[B]

Yeah, Right.

[A]

We walk by faith and not by sight. We are walking by faith in Jesus and faith in God, and that is being done by the eyes in the Spirit and not always the eyes in our head. That is, in this walk we have with the Lord, there will be steps we take.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

And things we do that we cannot see all how it's going to work out.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But we just step into it by faith, trusting that the God who called us to it is faithful enough, strong enough, gracious enough to. To catch us when we step out and to get us all the way through to the other side of whatever that is he's calling us into. So when you hear this, text, him. And obviously we're about to unpack how this applies to you and I, but before we get there, when you hear this text, we walk by faith and not by sight. What things come up in your spirit when you hear this text, for me.

[B]

Personally and for us as a collective, as a family, as we read this passage, one of the greatest things I could have ever learned about faith is oftentimes in order for me to see what God said, I have to close my eyes from what I'm currently seeing. Yep. And one of the greatest distractions and hindrances from us walking by faith is what we see.

[A]

This is a fact. And sometimes the things we see creates fear.

[B]

Absolutely right.

[A]

And so God will give you a word.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

Or God will put something in your heart to do, and you feel the unction of the Holy Spirit calling you to do something. And as you start to look around you at your current circumstance, whether it be where you live or a relationship that's dealing with trouble or financial difficulty, or what you may perceive as a lack of resources, sometimes we feel the unction of the Spirit calling us to do something. We see what our physical circumstance look like, and then immediately fear meets us in that moment to try to hinder us from taking that step of faith. Yeah. Right. And so this is why we have to learn to see things through the eyes of the spirit.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

And not only see things through the eyes of the Spirit, Tim, but we also have to trust the character of God. Like, we have to know the character of the one who has called us to faith through his word. Right. We have to look back at how he dealt with his children from the very beginning. Because these scriptures that we have on our lap have a track record.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

Of a God who is faithful, a God who is consistent, a God who delivers, a God who does not forsake his children. And so I love how you said we have to close our eyes to be able to see it. We have to be able to envision it. Because if we only look with the physical eyes, fear will keep us from stepping into the thing that God is calling us to do.

[B]

It's a powerful word.

[A]

I love.

[B]

It's called foresight.

[A]

Foresight. Go ahead.

[B]

And foresight is the ability to see more before.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And we talked about this a little bit. But Peter, which just popped in my spirit as you read that. But God calls him out of the boat. He walks out on the water on faith.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then he begins to realize what he's seeing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He takes his eyes off Jesus. He begins to sink. But something we never talk about is how Peter got back to the boat. Scripture does not say that Jesus picked him up and carried him. Scripture does not say he swam back to the boat.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But what I truly believe is that after Peter got a realization of the power that Jesus had to keep him up.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Jesus walks back to the boat, Peter sees Him, keeps him in his eyes. Peter walks back to the boat.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's not in the text. But what's also not in the text is that he swam or that Jesus carried him. And so I believe that something powerful happens when we close our eyes and we see what God said, and we remind ourselves of the power of the Word of God. The power of the Word of God is that each word creates an image in our spirit. Man.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's why words are so powerful.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They create vivid images. That's why Genesis is so descriptive with the creation. It creates an image in our mind, and that image creates an imprint that we can continue to see when reality tries to blind us. And so when I learned, in order for me to walk by faith, I, I, I have to sometimes close my eyes to what I currently see so I can see what God said.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It brings me to the place where I have to see it before I see it in order to see it.

[A]

Yeah. And I think about that historical account that day on Galilee. I've been on the Sea of Galilee, and one of the things people don't know about the Sea of Galilee is sits in a basin surrounded by mountains. And the people there, the locals will tell you that at any given time, a storm can come over those mountains. It can whip up the Sea of Galilee to waves as high as 5ft high, 8ft high, and higher. And those storms are very perilous, and people die on the Sea of Galilee, there's a lot of boats at the bottom. And so imagine when the scripture says, you know, Jesus reached out his hand, he grabbed Peter from drowning. And like you said, we don't know. Once he picked Peter up from under that water, we don't know how he got to the boat. He would have had to walk back. It doesn't say Jesus carried him back, but some way, somehow he got back to that boat after Jesus picked him up from that water. Right. And. And when Peter's eyes was fixed on the wrong thing, he began to sink. And I think there's a lot of people right now who are watching who may feel like they're sinking or may feel nervous about something that God is calling them to do. And I think we should normalize that just a little bit. Right. I think I want to normalize fear. I want to say that there are people who feel that maybe God is mad at them because they feel fear, or they feel that their walk is not where they need to be because they feel fear. But fear is part of the human experience. I think the thing is not allowing fear to keep us from stepping into the thing that God has called us to do. And maybe you're watching this podcast right now, and maybe you feel some unction of the Spirit calling you to do something. The Spirit may be calling you to reconcile a relationship. The Holy Spirit may be calling you to fix something in your marriage. The Holy Spirit may be calling you to step out on faith, to do a podcast, to start a business, to move to another city, to move to Florida, to be a part of Celebration Church, to move to Atlanta, to be a part of 2019. The spirit of God may be unctioning to do something. And you feel fear. I want you to know that fear is normal.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Fear is not abnormal. It is part of the human experience. But what is not normal is allowing fear to paralyze you from stepping into what God has called you to do. And. And we have to trust in the character of who God is, and we have to trust in what his word has says, that the God who has revealed himself in the pages of scripture is able to catch us and to walk with us as we step into things by faith. I think for Tim and I, this became very real last year in 2025, when we launched the Street Preachers podcast. And Tim and I had a vision for our podcast that was slightly different than traditional podcasts. Obviously, right now we're in New York. I love New York. Yeah, right. I'm from the streets of New York. We record in our studio. But. But Tim had this vision, and we're just gonna get into it and be transparent. Absolutely right. Tim and I launched this podcast. You know, I was thinking we was gonna do what every traditional podcast does, and there's nothing wrong with that. We're just gonna stay in the studio and record. But then Tim had this vision, like, no, bro, I think. I think our podcast belongs in the street. Like, it's called Street Preachers. I think it belongs in the street. Obviously, we use the studio, but I feel like we need to be in the street. We need to be in rooms with people. And I remember saying to Tim, we're like, well, how are we gonna do that? Yeah, like you told about a podcast tour. We don't even have no history podcasting.

[B]

Remember this? Yeah.

[A]

And. And I was. I was. I was saying to him, like, bro, you. You really tripping right now.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Like you trying to do a podcast tour. And we just started podcasting. We don't have any following on YouTube.

[B]

Right.

[A]

We don't got no money in the bank. For the Street Preachers podcast. Toward the podcast. Don't got no money in the bank. We don't have no following on YouTube, yo. We only like two, three episodes in, and you talking about doing a tour. And I remember I wasn't feeling it in the beginning, Right. I wasn't feeling it. And I think what I was feeling was it was some trepidation, Right. Because I'm looking at it now with my. My natural eyes. Yeah. And in my natural eyes, it's not making no sense to me. Like, well, how are we going to pull that off?

[B]

Yeah, right.

[A]

And I'm a man of faith. Yeah, right. I'm a man of faith. I've. I've seen God do miraculous things. I've seen God heal two of my children. I mean, my daughter Izzy, I don't know if you noticed, bro. My daughter Izzy was born stillborn. When she came out, the umbilical cord was strapped around her neck and she was blue. So she came out, she was dead. And I remember she was born in Duke Hospital. They hit that emergency button on the wall. This team of people rush into the emergency room. They take these, like, these yellow shock things, and they're trying to shock her back to life. Right. Lena is highly sedated, so she doesn't know what's going on. I fall down on my knees and I'm pleading with God to resurrect this child. Yeah, right. Lord, resurrect this child. And they. Shocking her, shocking her, shocking her. I don't know how long it took. I don't know if it was 40 seconds, 60 seconds, or whatever that is. It might have been the longest few seconds of my life. She's resurrected. Right. I see my daughter Abigail healing the womb. And I've talked about that. So I've. I've seen miracles. I've seen signs. I've seen wonders. And I'm. I'm gonna make a point with this. I've seen God move, and I'm a man of faith, and I've always walked by faith. But I think sometimes we could get amnesia really quick.

[B]

That's powerful.

[A]

And we could forget that God is faithful, and we could forget the things that he's done.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's why I think the memory has to be used both for good. And there's times we have to shut it off.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

Right. So, like, when Paul says this one thing I do, I forget what is behind me. Those are the times when we have to forget the things that the devil keeps reminding us about. Obviously, Paul had things to forget. Forget. I mean, he put Christians to death. He ruined families. I'm sure for him to keep persevering forward, he had to forget some of those things.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But then I think there's times we have to use our memory for God's glory. We have to remember that God brought you through, that he healed this time. He did this. He worked this miracle. And I think when you came to me about the podcast tour, I had amnesia. It's like I quickly forgot all the miraculous things God has done. And the first thing I start looking at is our podcast is brand new. We have no resources for a tour.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Nobody does a tour with a brand new podcast. We have no following on social media. Nobody's going to show up in these cities. So this is me with my natural eyes, and this is my flesh not welling up. Right. And thinking to myself, I don't know how we're going to pull this off. You remember when I was talking to you like this?

[B]

Vividly.

[A]

How did you feel when I was.

[B]

Talking to you like this?

[A]

You remember that?

[B]

Yeah, I think. I think at that particular time I was like, man, I don't know how we go do it. I just know this is something that God wants us to do.

[A]

You just felt strong in your spirit.

[B]

And. And you know, my struggle in my walk with Christ is doubt. Yeah. That's my greatest.

[A]

I'm gonna talk about it.

[B]

Right. And so let's be honest. In one hand, I have great faith. Yeah. But I've been through so much pain, bro.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, so much turmoil, so much chaos, so much just hell on earth. My struggle is doubt. And. And it's not that I doubt God's existence.

[A]

I get it, I get it. I get it.

[B]

I. I doubt, though, that it's possible for me.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But when God gives me a word, or he shows me in a vision or prophetic word, or he gives me a mandate, even though I doubt I'm willing to risk fear failing in obedience.

[A]

That's. That's powerful. I think you need to just park right there for a second.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You're risk. Willing to fail in obedience and obedience. So it's. It's almost like I want to encourage somebody who's watching. It's better to fail forward than not try at all. 100%. I think there's a lot of people, they won't try at all.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, I'm a. I'm a radical, man. Yeah, right. I'm the type of guy that would jump out of plane and trust God to catch me. Like, even when we did access in the arena, we only. We pull that off by God's grace, in three months when all the experts told us it can't be done.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Right. And I don't use the word can't in my house. I don't. I don't allow my children to use that word. It's a curse word. In our house. I'm inclined to just jump out of playing and trust that God will strap a parachute to me on the way out. Like, I have. I have that. That measure of faith.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And. And what's crazy about that, although I'm a man of faith, yet when you came to me with the idea for the tour, I just think about how quickly I was like, nah, I don't want to do that. I was thinking like, tim, let's remember I came to you. I was like, bro, let's. Let's. Let's podcast for a year in the studio. Yeah. Remember this?

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

Let's just. Let's just. Let's just stay right here in the studio for a year. Let's develop some consistency right here.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Let's. Let's use this as the gym to get. Get our muscles up for a year.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Then next year.

[B]

That's what my talk.

[A]

Remember I said next year.

[B]

But I think it's something powerful going tour next year. But. But you trust it.

[A]

I did.

[B]

And it's easy for us.

[A]

I did.

[B]

To jump out of a plane when God gives us division of how it would turn out and what that would look like.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Man, it's so difficult when you are trusting your brother has a parachute.

[A]

I didn't see. I didn't see the vision. You saw the vision. You were the herald that write the vision down and make it plain so that Philip can see it and run with it. Like, bro, you're trying to give me the roll with something I don't see.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm like, yo, we go jump out the plane, you better have a parachute.

[B]

That's another level.

[A]

It wasn't. I didn't see it. It wasn't my vision. You was the one who had the Vision 100. But I trusted you.

[B]

You trusted me. And. And from that trust, I believe that thousands of people, hundreds of thousands now.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Have been blessed because of both of.

[A]

Our obedience, but less. And I believe that, and I thank God for that. But there are people watching who are struggling faith, and I think we do them a disservice without telling the truth.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

The behind the scenes 100% of. Of what happened. Right. And I think, I think being honest about the behind the scenes what happened, just being fully transparent, I think it could be a blessing to something. 100 and so let's unpack it with some transparency. Yeah. Right. Let's not. Let's not sanitize what happened. Right. So we. We started in the studio.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We. We did our first episodes in the studio and we said. I remember we did that last episode. I said, next time you see us, we'll be in our first city on tour. Right.

[B]

Which was Dallas.

[A]

Right, which was Dallas. And I remember leaving the studio, leaving the studio, said, lord, this is crazy. Like, we're not coming back to the studio for. It's gonna be months before we make it back here. Yeah. We're gonna step out on faith. I'm gonna trust my brother Tim. He said, you gave him a vision. I'm a rock with my brother and see what you do. And. And we. We set out on tour, right. And we're gonna be fully transparent.

[B]

Fully.

[A]

Right. I remember our first meeting with our tour manager. Shout out to our sister, Dinora Pina. Shout out Dino, right? Shout out Dinora Pina. My sister, our tour manager, She's a beast. I remember our first meeting about the tour after we left the studio. Absolutely. We in that meeting with Donora. Ui Donor.

[B]

It's like two weeks, two or three weeks after that episode dropped.

[A]

Two or three weeks after that last episode dropped. So our little Runway and the Nora's like, yo, hermanos, you know, she's. You know, she's a Dominican. She's a Dominican from the Bronx. Shout out. Shout out. All of our Dominicans from the Bronx, right? Shout out everybody in the whole New York. She's like, hermanos, you guys ain't promoting the tour, right? You guys not promoting the tour. We don't got no ticket sales. There's no tickets sold.

[B]

No, none.

[A]

Y' all trying to go to Dallas and no tickets are sold. And hermanos, I want to know what are y' all doing? Remember this, right? And I remember. And when we was in that meeting, I remember being in that meeting and. And thinking to myself, this is a sign from God.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We have no ticket sales and maybe we shouldn't go on tour. This is what, this is what I was thinking.

[B]

You remember this?

[A]

I was like, remember? I was thinking, well, since we ain't got no ticket sales, we don't need to go on tour. And I was. I was on my Jonah. I was on my. My Jonah ministry at that Time I was. I was feeling like jonah, well, you know, Lord, I'm not feeling this right now.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Nobody's not buying no tickets. We can't pay for these venues.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Like, I don't know how we get in these venues. We can't do a tour without resources. And I. I saw that first meeting. I'm looking at that first meeting, I'm thinking, well, since no tickets have been sold, maybe we shouldn't go. And I remember. I'm gonna be fully transparent. I remember I wasn't promoting the tour on my page.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Right. And the reason I wasn't promoting my tournament page because, you know, there was this talk around the country. People was thinking that we was trying to use our podcast to pay for access. Right. Because you know how we put up. I think what we put up for access? We put up, like, $1.2 million.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Put it like 1.2 million.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Is that right? We put up 1.2 million to do access, and we didn't take them to offer, and we didn't charge anybody to come to the arena. And that's around the same time you and I was birthing.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

And people were saying, oh, the tour is a scam. People. They're trying to use the tour to pay for access, which is ridiculous. Right. Which don't make no sense at all. And so I was like, you know what? I'm gonna throw out a fleece. You know, I'm not. I'm gonna throw out a fleece. Like, lord, you know what? I want you to get the glory out of this. If this is your will for us to do this, I will not promote this tour on my page.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm not going to make one post about it. Not one. Now, street. If the street preachers make a post and they tag me in it, collab, I'll take. But I'm not. I'm personally not going to make one post about it. Lord, I want you to get the glory. If. If you're going to get the glory, I will not post about this tour. And if it's your will, then you got to draw the people. You got to open up the venues. You got to do it. I'm not going to say one thing about it. And I remember coming out that meeting acting like Jonah and. And not want to do it, and. And I got off that zoom call like, man, my man Tim is ready. I'm thinking to myself, like, yo, Tim is ready. And I'm thinking to myself, we don't got no sales. We can't pay for no venues at the same time.

[B]

And I'm like, people on TikTok saying, We, we, we out here scamming, we.

[A]

Out here scamming, all of that.

[B]

So I'm like trying to, trying to get rich off of a podcast tour.

[A]

And, and because of that, we didn't promote the tour.

[B]

We didn't promote it.

[A]

Right. We didn't promote the tour. And, and really was like, if, if the tour, if the tour is successful, if it's, if it's fruitful, then it will be done without our promotion. Right. And that God, God will get the glory for that. And you remember that first meeting? How did you feel coming out that first meeting, man?

[B]

I was, I was like, all right, God, like, you going to have to do it. And I, I, me personally, I hate marketing.

[A]

Like, me neither. I don't like marketing either.

[B]

It makes me feel.

[A]

It makes me cringe, bro.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Icky. Yeah.

[B]

And so I was like, God, I'm trusting you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And we're going to continue to be faithful in getting the message out to your people.

[A]

Huh?

[B]

But you gotta, you gotta move upon the heart. So your sons and your daughters. Yeah. To be in these rooms and these environments that we know will provide healing and breakthrough encounter with the Holy Spirit. And so I was, I was both excited and nervous. I had that nervous excitement.

[A]

I think that's normal, though. Yeah. And I think people should know that's normal. I think sometimes when people see people with platforms, they think that we don't experience nervousness. They think like that, that just disappears. Yeah. And I think people showing that that's very normal to still deal with nervousness. Absolutely. When you, when you're about to step into something that is new and at.

[B]

The same time now think about this. Yeah. So we got that dynamic. You got the access dynamic. We also have threats.

[A]

Yeah, we have real, credible, real, credible threats on our lives.

[B]

On our lives that we, we are hyper aware of. And so we got all of this, all of this surrounding us.

[A]

So I'm like, should we be talking about that on the podcast?

[B]

Yeah, I mean, they got to know, like, this is a real thing. Whenever you carry truth, the way that you carry truth and the way I attempt to carry truth.

[A]

Yeah, we had credible threats in our lives.

[B]

Does not like it. And so, you know, we, we going from city to city and we're, we're trusting God in our minds. This first meeting is a failure.

[A]

And I know Dinar Hobby wasn't happy with us because she wasn't promoting. I know, she wasn't happy. And I love her, too, Dino. You know what I'm saying? We love Dino. But she was doing what she's supposed to be doing. She's a tall manager.

[B]

Our team wasn't happy.

[A]

They were not happy.

[B]

You know what I'm saying?

[A]

And we was not promoting.

[B]

And we sitting here like, guys, just trust us.

[A]

Yeah. And then. And then after that, I remember you called me, right? I will never forget this. You called me, say, yo, bro, guess what? I'm like, what? It's like, yo, Dallas just sold out. I was like, no, no, no.

[B]

God.

[A]

I'm Jonah right now, bro.

[B]

I'm.

[A]

I'm straight Jonah. I'm like, no. I'm trying to go in the opposite direction. And the reason, you know, I want to be transparent about this, the reason I'm feeling that way, because I was traveling already so much.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, like, some of my travel team is in the room right now. We was. I mean, it seemed like every month we was going. Every week we was gone. We was in another city every week, traveling, right? So we was traveling so much, every. So we have. I'm in a. I'm preaching on Sundays, like, you're preaching on Sundays. I'm in a different city every week, preaching. We got access coming up. People are saying we're trying to use our tool as a scam to pay for access, which is ridiculous. So I'm feeling all of that. And then every time I'm walking out the door, my family. My family's feeling that pressure. Yeah, Right? Like, my wife is like, where you going now?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

My kids got tears in their eyes, right? So I'm feeling the pressure from my family, and. And it's different for us. And we're gonna be fully transparent because you're like, max is. Max is like. Max is young. Yeah. Right. So Max had the joy of being able to travel with you on tour. Like, my kids couldn't do that.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I got. I got five teenagers at home. There's. In school, and they couldn't do that, but they was already feeling the pressure of my absence. My absence was becoming too frequent. And I know that God has given me a pastoral and evangelistic assignment. I know that. Yeah. And so they was giving me the grace to go, but it was grace that was coming with pain. And I remember every time I would get to my garage door and I have my. My bags pack, they will all be standing there looking at me, and I could just feel the sadness in their hearts. So it was. It was so Difficult for me. And then when I told them, I said, guys, listen, I'm about to go on tour with Tim. They were so unhappy. They was like, man, you already gone enough. Yeah, right? And so it was so difficult for me and in full transparency because of that pressure from my family and because I was in a different city every week preaching for me, I was like, jonah, I was like, I'mma go to Nineveh. I'm a rock with my brother. But every time I walked out that door, and I walked out that door, the first time, I walked out grudgingly.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And be honest, I walked out grudgingly. I walked out, they came to pick me up. They, my driver to pick me up. We headed to the airport, and they asked me, like, how you feel about the 12? And I'm not happy. True or no? Right? True. Right, right. I'm like, I'm not. Yo, they'll tell you. Absolutely. I'm like, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not happy. It was like, you like, are you praying about us?

[B]

I'm praying.

[A]

I'm like, I'm not happy, bro.

[B]

How you feeling? I'm not well, bro.

[A]

I'm not well, bro. Straight up.

[B]

I'm not well.

[A]

And that's all I said, all the details. I just said I didn't want, though. I don't want to throw water on your fire, because I knew, knew I knew we were stepping into something that God put on your heart.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I wanted to be a good brother, and I wanted to be a sourpuss. And I like, yo, I'm not feeling well. And you are good. I appreciate that, man. And I remember hopping on that first flight headed to Dallas, grudging, knowing that it sold out, but I'm grudging, right? But then we get to Dallas, bro. We get to Dallas and we walk into the TBN studios. We walk into Dallas. We got a chance. I got a chance to meet Matt and Lori Crouch. We got a chance to film with them. That was a great experience with the Crouches. Shout out to the Crouches. I'm walking through that TBN studio. I remember watching tbn, you know, as a younger believer, I think that these are relationships that you had that opened up for us. And now it seems surreal, like we're on TBN talking about street preachers when our very first podcast on the room is full downstairs, the prayer team is praying. We could feel the spirit of God in the atmosphere. And then you and I in the back, and we, after we do our TBM recording. We're in the back on our hands and knees, crying out to the Lord. And we're shedding tears in the back. And although I'm there with a heart grudging, I could feel the spirit of God. Right. And I'm so confused. Like, God, I came here with a bad attitude. And your presence is here, so strong.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I'm Jonah, but I could feel the presence of God. You remember that when we first got to Dallas? What was that like for you when we first arrived?

[B]

Yeah. So at that time, you're thinking, man, I don't know how tonight is going to go. It's our first night on the tour.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We have no concept.

[A]

No concept. No blueprint.

[B]

Nothing. Nothing. We have nothing. Only the leading of the Holy Spirit.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That is it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so we're back in the back, praying, and I'm thinking to myself, okay, how could tonight go? Yeah. How should tonight go?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And instead of just spinning my wheels in that, I asked the Holy Spirit, would you move in a significant way?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

To where we know.

[A]

Come on.

[B]

You are with us and you desire this from us.

[A]

That's what you pray.

[B]

That's what I pray, you mean, Tell me that. And we. We walk. I don't know if you remember this. We walk to the. The back of the stage, and they're in worship.

[A]

I remember that we were sitting in the back of the stage in that hallway. In the hallway in the back. And we could feel the presence of God. I wept in that hole.

[B]

It was tangible.

[A]

I remember that. I remember.

[B]

It was undeniable. We sat there for 30 minutes at least, and we just wept. I remember at the presence of God, we could hear the voices singing of hundreds of people in that room, just singing.

[A]

Yeah, I remember.

[B]

And thanking God. And then the expectation and the faith started to build in that room.

[A]

I remember.

[B]

And we could feel it backstage.

[A]

I remember. And I remember being backstage, Tim, like, as you're talking about this. I remember being backstage. I remember getting on my knees. Yeah. And I'm weeping because, like, Lord, I feel your presence so tangible. And I feel your love. And I feel your grace. Watch. And I feel your forgiveness for my attitude. You did not allow my negative attitude to hinder what you intended to do. Right. And your prayers is covering us at this time. And I remember hearing the people out there singing. You could hear people crying. You could hear people weeping. It was so overwhelming. And you and I are back there singing for 30 minutes in the back, and we don't know what to do. Because it's our first time out there. We know we have no clue what to do. And I remember our sister, Priscilla Shia pulled up. Yeah, I remember Priscilla pulled up. And, you know, we saw Priscilla. She greeted us. Her and Jackson. Her and Jackson showed up. And Priscilla, shout out to Priscilla Shia, who's a close friend of Tim and I. She is a mighty woman of God, a real woman of God. She's one of the realest people I know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Loving, godly, kind, prophetic, humble.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Very gentle, very thoughtful. And so shout out to our sister, Priscilla Shire. She pulled up and. And I remember you tapped me and said, bro, let's just go out there and worship with the people, you know? And I was like, all right, we don't have no blueprint. Let's just go out there. I have no idea what's going to happen next. And I remember saying, holy Spirit, have your way. And we walked out on that very first platform. The room is full. The spirit is in the room. The place is charged. And I think it's important for us to say this too. Like, theologically, God's spirit is everywhere because he's omnipresent.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I think we should. I want to say that, like, theologically, God's spirit is everywhere because he's omnipresent. But then there was something, what we would call in Christendom, his manifest presence.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

The glory of God. Where we feel the glory of God in the room. Like how the glory came down on Solomon's Temple.

[B]

Yes, right.

[A]

Where you will feel the glory of God in the room. And that is a gift to people.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And wherever you feel that you should not take that for granted, you feel that manifest presence where. Where people feel that glory, we should never take that for granted. Right. So if you attend a local church, you're watching this from some city in America, around the world, and you attend a local church where you feel the manifest presence of God. Right. You should never take that for granted. You got to know somebody's paying a price for that. Somebody's praying, somebody's sacrificing. The Lord would not manifest his presence in a place where he felt displeased. And. And so if you're in a local church and you feel the manifest presence of God or in your home with your family, when you pray, whenever God shows up in a mighty way and it's tangible, you can feel that. I want to encourage you, my brothers and sisters, Sri. To never take God's presence for granted because he does not have to do that.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Right. And so we know in the scriptures, when he was displeased with a place, he withdrew his presence. And that place was called Iabad. Right. And so I remember. I remember you walked out to him. I walked out behind you. The power of God is in that room is Dallas. The people are singing. I see people crying. And I just wept. And I thought to myself, lord, you are here. And I said, lord, we are here. We're actually at our very first tour stop. That's what I felt when I walked out. What did you feel when you walked out?

[B]

I was thinking, God, you got to meet me here. I don't even think I told you this, but I accidentally double booked because our women's conference was starting that next day.

[A]

I didn't know that, bro.

[B]

And Jen was not happy. Jim's not happy that I was gone the day before. We got thousands of women coming for our women's conference. And so I'm. I'm saying, God, you got to meet me here.

[A]

Wow. You got to make this worth it.

[B]

You got to make it worth it.

[A]

So you. So Jen is mad. My family's.

[B]

Absolutely. Absolutely.

[A]

We in Dallas.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

You didn't tell me that, bro.

[B]

So I'm sitting here thinking about this and. And thinking about these people in the room, and there's people everywhere. So in Dallas, the setup was we had people in front of us. We had people behind us.

[A]

It was like a mini theater, like Ephesus.

[B]

And we're in the middle of the room, and so we are surrounded by people. I'm sitting here looking around this room.

[A]

They're weeping, they're crying. Presence of God is overwhelming them.

[B]

You have met us here.

[A]

Yeah. No.

[B]

No promotion.

[A]

No promotion.

[B]

No machine.

[A]

Machine. No machine.

[B]

No marketing.

[A]

No marketing. None of that. And then God filled that room.

[B]

He filled it.

[A]

And. And.

[B]

And.

[A]

And when I walked out there, I'll never forget this. I walked down there, I said, dang, this is what my brother saw, right? I walked out there, and I said, man, this is what my brother saw. And I didn't see it, because to me, it was. It was inconceivable to have a podcast with only a few episodes in the studio and then go out on the road and see people actually show up. It was inconceivable in my mind. And I said, this is what my brother saw. And I remember. I remember us being in worship, and we have no script at this time. Like, we don't know what we're doing. We're in worship. We worship with the People, I don't know. We made it to our seats, we opened God's Word, and we just followed the Holy Spirit. We had no script. Yeah. Remember that? We had no plan. We followed the Holy Spirit. And at the end, I did something that was really crazy, and Donora was not happy about it. She said, hermano, you got to be careful doing that again.

[B]

Remember that?

[A]

I said, listen, you know what? We about to pray. We about to lay hands on everybody in this room. Every single person in this room. We're going to pray and hug and touch and lay hands on every person in that room. And I remember tapping Priscilla like, listen, Tim and I need help.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Would you help us pray? And she prayed for a few hundred people. I prayed for a few hundred people. You prayed for a few hundred people. There was a.

[B]

There was a moment, though.

[A]

It was powerful.

[B]

You remember this? You were saying something, and a young sister was sitting to our right, and she was weeping. Yep. And you stopped what you're saying, and you got up and you laid hands on her and you prayed for her. And I was sitting there watching. And the Holy Spirit said, this is why these moments are necessary. This is why these nights are needed for these moments right here. Not just for encouragement, not just for inspiration, but for impartation.

[A]

Impartation. Yeah. That.

[B]

That's the thing that I loved about seeing it unfold in Dallas.

[A]

Dallas. It was impartation.

[B]

Impartation.

[A]

That's powerful, too, because that was the thing that really impacted me the most, is that when that night was over and I thought about how many people we touched, hugged, listened to their story, did the step and repeat, saw tears, I thought to myself, this. This was the thought that I had. Man, this. This felt right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, this. This felt right. It felt like we were in the center of God's will.

[B]

Y.

[A]

And our podcast belongs in the street. And it just felt right. Now, we were tired.

[B]

We got. We got finished at 3am yeah, it.

[A]

Was 3am it was 3am and we had to make some adjustments for the next one. Right. It was 3am and I remember. I will never forget this. I remember getting back to my hotel room and texting Lena. She was asleep. She texted me the next morning, said, honey, how was it? Here I am being Jonah. Like, dang it, Lena, God wrecked that place. And I was so pissed. Like, I was so upset. Like, in my heart, I'm Like, I was. Like, I said, lena, God wrecked that place. And I said. And I was so upset with myself. Like, Lena, I came here grudging And God wrecked that place. And then immediately, Immediately a theological conundrum. Yeah. Was born in me because I was thinking to myself, how did I come here with such a bad attitude? And God showed up in such might and power.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And now there was this. This theological conundrum in me, like God, I. I came here like Jonah. And yet you. You blessed these people in spite of me. You just worked through us to bless these people. You love them so much. It was so powerful. But yet I had a bad attitude coming here, and I was so messed up because of that. And I get home and now I'm dealing with the tension between the pressure from my family, from me leaving, the pressure of me saying, I'm traveling too much, but God just. It was like a full blown revival in that room. What am I supposed to do?

[B]

Right?

[A]

And I remember coming to you saying, like, tim, I know night one was powerful. You remember this?

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

We're just gonna be honest.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

I said, tim, I know night one was powerful, and maybe we should just enjoy that.

[B]

Right. This is it.

[A]

Just. Let's just call that a victory, land the plane and go back to the studio. Absolutely. Remember that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I said, listen, we just did tbn, just saw revival in this room. We just laid hands on hundreds of people. Let's just call that a win. The podcast is brand new. Let's go back home. You remember when I talked to you?

[B]

I remember. I remember vividly.

[A]

And.

[B]

And what was your words to me? I said, phil, we can't. We can't do that. I said, I know you want to. I said, but, man, we got a mandate from God.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And there are people.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That need what you carry.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

There are people that need the oil that is being pressed out of you in this season. Yeah. And I said, as your brother, I have to be honest and tell you we would do the body of Christ and the kingdom of God a disservice to stop right now.

[A]

And I remember when you said that to me, man, it was like my heart got tattooed with this deep sense of assignment. But I didn't want to do it. You know, I didn't want to do it because of the pressure at home.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But when you said that to me, I was like, man, you know what? I was bought by the blood of Christ. I belong to Christ. I'm a servant of Christ. If God is your will, then you got to. You got to show us.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, if it's your will, God, then you have to bring people to meet us in this next stop. And then we went on from Dallas to D.C. to D.C.

[B]

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