A (1:32)

That's right. Yeah. And here for a movie called the Unbreakable Boy, which is a Lionsgate feature. And it's a true story, man, about this family who have. Have a kid with autism and brittle bones disease. So you can imagine, you know, how tricky that is. And. And what I love is this guy Scott Larette wrote a book about his life and randomly got it to Peter Facinelli, who's another actor, his. His brother in law, who runs a drugstore in New York, and he's like, hey, Peter, you should make this into a movie. And he's like, yeah, yeah, whatever. And then he made it into a movie. That's the short version, but it's this really inspiring story about how this kid who has all these, you know, perceived Difficulties is, you know, unbreakable in his spirit and how he approaches life and how the people around him react to him. And, and I get to play the lead character's imaginary friend. Cause Scott in real life had an imaginary friend named Joe. And so it was.

B (2:31)

Oh, so you're the imaginary friend kind of like popping in.

A (2:34)

Yeah, so I pop in. In the happy times and the sad times. I'm like the angel on the shoulder, the devil on the shoulder.

B (2:39)

It's a tear jerker, right?

A (2:40)

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Especially. Especially if you're a parent. Especially if you're a dad. I have a bet out and this bet goes to you, all of my guy friends specifically. I'm crying. I don't know if this is sexist, whatever, but it's the guy friends I'm on. If you don't cry, I will buy your ticket.

B (2:54)

I'm going to cry. I can almost see because listen, you're. You're like a real actor, right? Like you're, you're someone that I find is very believable when you play a specific role. And we've seen you play everything from a security guard. Right. To funny. To serious.

A (3:10)

This here zombie monster.

B (3:12)

Yeah, to a zombie monster walking half naked out of the water. We will talk about that in a second. But I can almost see this role for you and correct me if I'm wrong, but probably a bit of humor and a bit of seriousness at the same time. So you got to be versatile.

A (3:24)

Yeah. Have you seen the movie? Because that's exactly. It really is. It's. That's exactly right. That's what I loved about it. And look, as a big guy, you know, six, three. I think like I'm about 210.

B (3:35)

Willard.

A (3:38)

I, you know, no one's going to.

B (3:40)

Get that, by the way. Let me just jump in quick.

A (3:41)

Somebody's going to get.

B (3:42)

Someone's going to get.

A (3:43)

Someone's going to get that.

B (3:44)

We would, we would joke around Footloose because we'd be at, we'd be at the gym and I was, I was Willard. He was Willard. And I was like the wren.

A (3:50)

Of course he was.

B (3:51)

We would just joke around about it. We'd be break dancing on the floor like country coming in.

A (3:56)

Willard. Come on.

B (3:56)

Willard.

A (3:57)

Still, one of my favorite moments I have this on video is like we were throwing up bench press and I got like a farm boy.

B (4:03)

Strong.

A (4:04)

Yeah, farm strong. But my favorite thing is you're spotting me and I hit. I forget what it was. I'm sure it was like £700 and I hit it. And the look on Don's face was like, that was as good as Liev Schreiber calling me a good actor right there. I was validated.

B (4:20)

You love to press. Yeah. I wish I could get you to love legs.

A (4:26)

Ain't that the truth?

B (4:27)

No, but you were. You were like your. So how you and I met. And I want to tell everyone this because I think this is a really special story. So typically, when I would get a call from an actor, you know, I go to Google, look them up. What are you. What are we trying to create? What are we trying to do here? And everyone. I mean, everyone's like, Brad Pitt, Fight Club, Ryan Reynolds, Blade. It's like, to the point where so, like, you. You reach out to me. I think. I think jt, my sales guy, reaches out to me. Drew Powell. I'm like, all right, I've heard of him. But I was. I couldn't put a name with the face. I was just, I don't know, being stupid or whatever. So I didn't. I didn't have time to do my due diligence, but I knew what you look like, but I didn't remember how big. You're like, you're. You strong farm boy frame. Like, you're. You're an athlete. Watch this guy play basketball. Watch a movie. Moves like a cat, right? So out of nowhere, I don't do my due diligence. We have a meeting. You walk in the drive, and the second the door opens, I'm walking and I look at you and I just say right out loud, I can't believe I said this. I went, please tell me it's not Brad Pitt from Fight Club. And he just looks at me. He just looks at me and starts hysterically laughing. The next thing you know, him and I are hugging. And the next thing you know, I went from, like, being his trainer to us actually. Like, I think for a while I was training you, and I'm like, the hell? You and I are working out together.

A (5:45)

I got to be part of the Gym Mafia.

B (5:47)

But, but, but, but our workouts were you.

A (5:50)

Yep.

B (5:50)

Liev. George Paris, who was this NHL enforcer who's now the head of player safety. Sebastian, Stan, Ethan Tone, of course. We had a group of. We called ourselves the Gym Mafia.

A (6:03)

Eclectic group.

B (6:05)

Unbelievable. Talk about from other all walks.

A (6:07)

And I just have to say this, too, like, in that. So this was late. Two thousand and tens, right? So from like 2017-20, I guess I left in 2018. I came back a couple times.

B (6:18)

A couple Years.

A (6:18)

But at your gym at 360, the.

B (6:22)

The 495.

A (6:23)

Yeah, the 495.

B (6:25)

Don't you forget that.

A (6:27)

But no, that play drive 495 at you. It was incredible, the people that would walk through that door. I mean, like, so many. Like, all of my favorite actors, like, oh, there's Benicio del Toro, and, yeah, oh, there's, you know, I mean, it was like, you name it, everybody was in there. And then, like, you know, people in business and politics, like, it was just a fascinating.

B (6:50)

Mike Bloomberg would be walking through. You'd have Sandra Bullock on. Someone from the Post would be call me up. Like, Sandra Bullock working there. Working out there. And I'm like, I wish. Send her my way. And I hang up the phone. Just.

A (7:01)

Everybody felt safe there. Like, it was super chill. Like, it was such a great experience. And look, you know, Kobe killed a lot of things. And I think, you know, you've proven. And by the way, the barn is incredible. So you've. You've really flourished like a, you know, Phoenix rising from the ashes. But that time in place was really awesome. You know, we used to have, like, sit in the steam room and have, like, you know, chats about life.

B (7:22)

Just laugh and just talk. We would everyone finish a workout, and you'd grab a shake, and out of nowhere, you'd see everyone kind of moving to a certain section. And there were days where I was in there, and you'd see, like, some of the biggest names in Hollywood, and everyone was comfortable. People would be sitting there, like, shirtless, you know, just trying to, like, drying, changing their. Their shirt and not worried about, like, I had certain policies where there was, like, no cameras, where we, like, there wasn't any picture taking. I remember we had a member. We had a member once that one time went to Jim Parsons and asked him for a picture. And I found out about it. I grabbed her and I said, so and so. You can't do that. And she's like, I'm. I'm sorry, but this was made me. You have to understand. I understand your reasoning for doing it, but if everyone sees you doing this, then everyone feels like that's allowed, and we lose the intimacy of this place, even to a point where I had at the time. I could talk about this now, but Dwayne the Rock Johnson walked in there, and no one was looking at him.

A (8:20)

Yeah. Yeah.

B (8:21)

Finally he looked at little T.J. he pissed. No, he looked at little T.J. and he's like, come on, man, let's take a picture. TJ's like, no.

A (8:26)

And, like, walk up.

B (8:27)

He's like, what's going on here? And I'm like, tj, it's okay. You're not. He asked you for the picture. But I think that was what I was super proud of. But you and I met in a role. You were playing Solomon Grundy.

A (8:38)

That's right.

B (8:39)

In a show called Gotham. So talk. I want you. Because I think the purpose of the show is to. Is to teach people that fitness can look and feel different for everyone.

A (8:48)

That's right.

B (8:49)

And it's just, how can we get you a little bit better? How can we just teach you that it doesn't have to be so hard. It doesn't have to be impossible. Fitness can be fun. Some of the best workouts you had was just having a good time.

A (8:59)

Absolutely. You know, and I want to say that, like, when I. So they said, okay, you're going to be Solomon Grundy next season, and you have. And we need you to completely change the way you look, and you have, like, seven weeks to do it.

B (9:11)

I'm like, please tell me it's not.

A (9:12)

Brad Pitt Fight Club. Exactly. And that's why when that was the first thing you said, I'm like, you have no idea how impossible that would be with our timeline. But I was also like, you know, I was. I. I wasn't, you know, I lifted in. In the. Because it was what we did to play ball, like, you know, whatever this sport was, but it wasn't the thing I loved. And I. And I'd had bad experiences with trainers in the past. So my at the time was like, all right, this is Don Saladin. I'm like, oh, here we go.

B (9:37)

Here's some Guido.

A (9:38)

It's like this freaking guy. And so I'm like, you. I needed help. And so I'm like, all right, let's do this. And then it was like, you completely blew all of my expectations out of the water. And what I thought a trainer was or could be. And also, I think there's this. People out there, like, well, when you're famous, you get a trainer and it's easy.

B (9:56)

Doesn't always work.

A (9:57)

No, it's not.

B (9:57)

No, it's not.

A (9:57)

And also, like, my thing is I'm never going to be Brad Pitt. I'm a big dude. Was born big. I was born literally 11 pounds, 22 inches. Set the record at the Noblesville Hospital. I'm just a big dude. So, like, you know, there's not going to. There's no shredding going on. And so what I love.

B (10:16)

I can get you shredded.

A (10:17)

No, no, no. I don't want it. But what I did love is that you were like, you know, I hear it. Let's have a realistic goal, which is we. Because we had a time frame. And here's what you have to do. I'll never forget the first day you're writing down, like, the stuff that I had to eat because we went hard that seven weeks. And I was like, I can't eat seven eggs in one sitting. How.

B (10:38)

It wasn't seven eggs, by the way.

A (10:41)

Oh, my gosh. It was like all this stuff. I'm like, oh, my God.

B (10:43)

I was trying to get your protein.

A (10:44)

I know. And. But by the way, it worked. It worked. And the best thing that was, they brought me a. We shot this scene, so I have to come up out of the swamp wearing nothing but basically a loincloth. And the whole point is, like, I've gone into the swamp dead as this character, and I'm coming back as this.

B (10:59)

It's a cool scene, by the way. You guys should Google it.

A (11:01)

Yeah, YouTube that thing. Solomon Grundy, Gotham. And, you know. But we actually got to a place that was. I thought was believable. Nobody ever played this character that wasn't a video game or some, like, CGI thing. So, like, we were really. And we were on a TV budget, so we were at a disadvantage, because you've done everything at this point when. In terms of superheroes, you've done it all, including when we were working out with David Harbour and he was in a suit. He's like, oh, I gotta gain some more weight because I've, you know, I gotta fit in the suit. I'm like, screw you, first of all.

B (11:28)

Yeah, you're in a suit.

A (11:29)

Yeah, get outta here. So. But we did it in a way that I thought was. The fans dug that. It looked. Looked like it was different enough. And. And that night in Staten island, freezing cold, like three in the morning, and we rap, and they brought me a pizza, and it was cold as hell, but it was the greatest thing I ever had, because I did. You gave me seven weeks. And you, like. I did everything you said a couple times.

B (11:50)

You. You were like, well, can I. I'm like, no, no. You could have been like, can I go to church? Can I take my couch? I'm like, no. I just immediately knew that you were. That you were alluding to something.

A (12:00)

No, exactly. But I appreciated that you. What I love the most about you is a. You have empathy. You're not and, you know, you check your ego at the door, which a lot of that, as you know, in the business doesn't always happen. And. And you really meet people where they are. And I think that's. That's a really. A big. A great gift in your business. And I, you know, think that you're the best out there. And you hire people like Thiago, who was my. My kind of my day to day. I mean, what a great dude and a great talk about.

B (12:26)

So you see, you talk about culture and community. I mean, it's got to always. I mean, the beautiful thing about drive built that over 15 years.

A (12:34)

Yeah.

B (12:35)

Movie sets have got to be. They've got to be an interesting dynamic. Right. Because when you're on a set, you could be on it anywhere from, what, a couple of weeks to a year or so.

A (12:44)

Right.

B (12:44)

I mean, some of the Marvel movies are crazy, you know, granted. But so. But I would think that every time that community and culture changes, I'm sure you're in environments that are phenomenal, and you never want it to end. And I'm sure you're on. I think it's just normal. We're not throwing anyone on the bus to environments that you're like, okay, this is a little tense, right?

A (13:00)

Absolutely. This movie that I'm promoting at the moment, the Unbreakable Boy, was one of those. Because it was in the middle of COVID and we were in Oklahoma City. You couldn't do anything. Like, you could go to a restaurant if it was outside. And so we all were in this motel, like, in downtown Oklahoma City. And the cast, we were all together. And consequently, we got really close. We would, like, hang out in each other's rooms and play guitar and sing and play board games and whatever, and make Christmas cookies. Cause it was the holidays. And I think that's what you see on the screen is that we have this really great camaraderie. But not every. That was circumstantial were kind of in.

B (13:37)

That situation went the other way too.

A (13:39)

And it has.

B (13:39)

Yeah. But I mean, if you think about a. Covid was a. I knew specific sets that people went on, and they were like, enough's enough. I want to see my family. Yeah, I can't see my family. That's probably the thing I've seen most actors struggle the most with. It upsets me when, like, the general public will turn around and be like, oh, the actors have it easy.

A (13:56)

Yeah.

B (13:57)

And. Or, like, I get asked all the time because I've worked with both athletes and actors and People are like, well, who's harder to work with? The athlete? Right? And I'm like, oh, God, it's, it's. Oh my God. You're going to be blown away by this. Not even close. Yeah, like the athlete, right? I'm like, no, the actor.

A (14:09)

Yeah.

B (14:10)

And they're like, yeah, yeah. How, how is that possible? Like, how can the, the athlete, of course, has to be. Let me explain a few things to you. One, actors always have to change their environment and the people they work with. Two, they're changing time zones probably a little bit more severely. Like you're over in Singapore shooting movie. So to think about the time zone change, you have family, your son, you know, you don't always have access to a trainer. Most of the time you don't have access to a trainer. I don't travel with anyone. Right, yeah. Because it's very difficult to be away from your family. So now. Oh, and let's show this. On top of it, you're playing a different character every time.

A (14:44)

Yeah.

B (14:45)

You have to learn different stunts.

A (14:46)

Yeah. We have to be vulnerable. Overarching for that whole thing is to be a good actor, you have to be vulnerable. You have to be willing to open yourself up. And I think that's the part that people don't realize is that we are, you know, very empathetic creatures because we have to by nature, whether you're playing a good guy or a bad guy, you have to be able to open yourself up to, to who this character is and how you're going to play him or her. And so that's, that's the part where we feel, you know, and so we're in a business where we feel for a living. If you're doing it right anyway, in my opinion. And that doesn't mean you have to become the thing. I'm not a method guy, but I'm saying you have to be willing to be open minded. I'm playing a character right now on a show called the Pit on Max, which is kind of ER meets 24. It's an incredible show. But I play this guy who's, you know, he's, he's, you know, not a great guy, not a nice guy. But I have to find in where the motivation is for this guy. Why, how does he feel wrong that he's being such a jerk. Like, what are the things? So that's the stuff. And I think people underestimate the fact that that kind of is overarching in who we are, who our personalities are, who we are as people and so, you know, sometimes we're, you know, hard on the sleeve, and that can be a bad thing, you know.

B (15:56)

Oh, yeah. You're not always playing, like, you know, he's playing Captain America.

A (16:00)

Yeah, yeah.

B (16:01)

You know, he's playing that role that everyone wants to be like, there's got to be times where you jump into roles and you're like, wow, I'm playing a bad guy right now. How do you, like. Do you find it more difficult to get into. I've never asked you this question. I'm sorry to start. I'm throwing this at you, but do you find it more difficult to get into a character's role that maybe, you know, that you don't like?

A (16:21)

Yeah.

B (16:22)

You're not always playing people that you like, right?

A (16:24)

Yeah. I think it's human nature to want to be the hero, right? We all want to be the good guy. We all think we're the hero in our own story. So, yeah, you do have to kind of. You know, it's funny. Here's a little example of something like that. You realize as. Especially as a character actor, which is what, you know, I am basically is. I remember going in on. On wardrobe fittings, and usually it's like, okay, who is this character? Most of the time, the characters that I play, it's like the Rack off of Walmart, like some ugly, like, the thing. I mean, Curb youb Enthusiasm. My wardrobe is the ugly. Like, I don't know what I look like. Like, whatever. The worst dad, you know, outfit is ever. And you gotta be like, I would never wear this. I'm like, yeah, that's the point. You know, you've gotta, like, check that whatever it is at the door, it's not about you. It's, who is this character? And yeah, sometimes it is harder. But also, it can be a lot of fun to be the bad guy, too, because you get to do a lot of, you know, stuff that, you know, is interesting and fun. So you have to, you know, it's. It's. It's good to be the good guy sometimes, too, but I enjoy it both ways. And I would say, yeah, there's. There's some ways in which it's easier to be the bad guy because you don't feel the. The pressure. You can come in and, you know. You know, do your. Do your thing, and it's all on the. On the hero to come through in the end. But look, any. Any real actor will tell you, like, it doesn't matter. Just give me the job. You know, we love it. When we're working. I love it when I'm working. That doesn't matter what it is.

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A (20:54)

Yeah.

B (20:54)

Not just almost a scumbag. I mean, really was. I mean, he was. He was literally willing to, you know, take the spot of a child and.

A (21:03)

That's. Right.

B (21:03)

But like, at that age, you know, you're so young, you're like, wow, I wonder if he gets booed all the time. I wonder if people. Because sometimes people can't. And I've noticed that with you guys is that they, they, they. They forget that you're playing a character.

A (21:16)

Yeah.

B (21:16)

Do you ever have that where people run into you and they think you're still so and so, or they talk to you like you're that person or.

A (21:23)

I think, yeah. I think what happens a lot of times when I'm a bad guy, like, oh, you're so nice. Like, it's such a surprise. I'm like, yeah, that's the acting part, you know, so, you know, and it is when you play a real nasty character, you know that there are some that I have lucky that I haven't played, but I've auditioned for where you. It's a character where you're like, oh, my gosh, I got to go take a walk after this. Because it was so disturbing.

B (21:46)

Really?

A (21:46)

Yeah. But, you know, it is. I'm a big believer in looking after your mental health on those things, too, because I think people can get stuck in that. In that world. And so you have to really. Especially on, you know, like, there's a scene in the pit that's coming up where this thing happens. And I had to really make sure that I was like, I was okay. The other actors were okay. That we were, you Know that we look after. We looked after each other. But, yeah, you know, the general public sometimes does forget, and I think that's kind of human nature. But in some ways, it's like what I loved for the example on Butch, the character I played in Gotham, I watched a whole lot of the Sopranos, and I watched James Gandolfini, and I watched, you know, how he made Tony Soprano this bat. He's this bad guy. But somehow you ended up rooting for him.

B (22:32)

Yeah. You wanted to see him. That's.

A (22:33)

Yeah, that's a real win. When people were like, yeah, Butch, like, shoots people in the face. But, gosh, I love this guy. I'm like, all right, that's a win. That's. You know, then. Then I've done my job. But I do. It's a weird job, too, because, you know, there's no other job where you. You have to do the things that you're asked to do. And. And so, yeah, so my wife is a makeup artist, and we met. I played a young Hoss Cartwright in a prequel to Bonanza, and she was a makeup artist. We shot it in Australia. I was. I was brand new to the game. It was one of my first.

B (23:03)

Cross the line.

A (23:04)

Yeah, exactly. Well, and that's what was funny. So we started dating, and it was. But it was like, she is very. Has a lot of integrity, and she's like, I don't want anyone to know because I don't want anyone to think, yeah, sure. You know, tell. Because when you're sitting in the makeup chair, it might as well be, like a psychologist chair. You know, it's a. I love your wife. Yeah, she's amazing and, you know, works kind of in your industry. She's into, you know, into movement now. She's really gotten into the fascial movement. She's the obviously yoga instructor, but all this stuff. So, you know, I've collaborated with. You have? Phenomenal. It's awesome.

B (23:33)

What's your handle, by the way?

A (23:34)

You got to say Soulful Warrior Collective.

B (23:35)

Soulful. Check it out.

A (23:37)

But she, you know, we. We would. I would mess with her a little bit, though, because nobody knew we were dating. And so I'd be like, yeah, I need. I need. Could you get it from. I gotta come up. I got a. A runny nose. I need a tissue. She'd come up the hill, and I'd be like, actually, I'm good. And she's like, oh. And then I, like, you know, maybe sneak a little, like, you know, rubber bag or something. I enjoyed the Heck out of that. But, but yeah, it's, it's a, it's a crazy frigging job. And you're, you have a crazy job, too, you know, and that's, that's the way the marriage of the two is fascinating to me. And I think that's what's also really interesting and why I think this podcast is going to be interesting because you've had to connect with people on multiple levels, and so you, you know a little bit more about acting than your average Joe. You know, a little bit more about, you know, the business, all those business guys that, those wall you had coming through there, the golf guys, the athletes, you know, and so that's why I think, you know, you're the perfect person for a, a show like this because you've been around it.

B (24:32)

I'm very grateful for the experiences that, that I've had. And I mean that. Not to sound corny, but I think one common trait that everyone's going to have that comes on here and. Yeah. Is everyone into health and wellness and fitness at a certain level? Yes. But I think one thing that everyone's going to have, have in common even more is failure.

A (24:52)

Yeah, sure.

B (24:53)

And every single person that I am bringing on at some point can tell me about some situations. And I think it's important for people to hear that, because nowadays we look at people that are successful, that are at a specific level, and everyone's like, wow, I wish I was there. And I'm like, yeah, but you don't understand what it took to get there. That's right. So I have coaches every, every week, they DM me and they're like, you know, I want to do what you do. And I'm like, I really appreciate that, but how do I do what you do? And I'm like, listen, I'll make you a deal. If you do the first thing that you need to do, I'm going to tell you. But if you can do the first thing and complete the first thing, I will mentor you free of charge.

A (25:31)

Wow.

B (25:31)

Right?

A (25:32)

Yeah.

B (25:33)

And what I tell them to do is go work at a Big Box gym for a year.

A (25:36)

Oh, wow.

B (25:36)

In the last, I, I, I don't think I've had one person contact me back.

A (25:41)

Is that right?

B (25:42)

Yeah. Every single person that's reached out to that is my test. If you can go and work at a Big Box because they don't want to get their hands dirty, they don't want to have to go clean up weights. When I worked at a Big box gym in 1999, I was excited to put a purple shirt on. I was excited to re rack weights. I was excited to get my teeth kicked in by people. I'm not interested in training with you. Well, I wasn't asking to train. I just want to show you a cool way to do this tricep movement that you were doing. And let me just show this to you and show them that I wasn't into it for the money and build the trust. They don't want to do that. And so with. So with you in your career, hasn't always been roses.

A (26:17)

Oh, no, no.

B (26:18)

I mean, you're. You're like. You're like. You're like a grinder, right? You're so. Can you. Can you give us some. Can you give us a couple of examples or maybe just let us in a little bit so people actually can turn around and relate and say, wow, I'm not in this whole journey alone.

A (26:30)

Yeah. You know, it's funny. I'll have kids, you know, call me up from, like, my. My college or people I know back home, and they'll be like, yeah, I really want to be an actor. And the first thing I always say is, okay, but if there is anything else that you can do and find joy, go do that thing. Because this is not a job for the faint of heart. In the same way that you're describing about the Big Box Gym. There is no fairness in this job. There's no, you know, there's no right path. I mean, I wanted to be an actor from the time I was a little kid. I mean, my earliest memories were putting on plays for my family in the living room. I sang Grandma's Feather Bed in the first grade talent show with my little hat. My dad had to work, so he played it on the guitar, and I put the boombox next to me on a piano bench. And then everybody clapped. I'm like, that's amazing. I had the Night Before Christmas memorized, and they would. In kindergarten, they'd parade me around town and do it for people, and they're like, whoa. So performance was in my blood. I went and saw Back to the Future in the theater, and all I can say is, like, there was.

B (27:40)

I still remember that in the theater, by the way.

A (27:42)

Oh, yeah. I mean, it was one of the great movies of all time. And feel. I had a feeling. All I can describe is, like, a feeling deep in my soul, like, deep in my body, somewhere in, like, my chest and my solar plexus that was like. It was yearning. It was like physical Almost painful. But like I want to do that.

B (27:58)

Do you want to play Biff?

A (28:00)

You get your damn hands off her. So that's it. Like I, that and so I, even with all of that, I was like, you know, it's. I don't know how I'm going to. So I was going to be a broadcast journalist. I was going to be like a sports reporter because that was the legitimate way to be on camera. And then the way the fates worked, I ended up getting this part time job as a youth director at a church in North Hollywood, California, getting paid 15 grand a year. And that was just that tiny little bit of crack in the door that I needed. And I was on Malcolm in the Middle six months later and off to the races and with my SAG card. So that's not a path that anyone else can just take. You gotta put in the effort. And if I could give you list of all the jobs I didn't get, you know, like it's. And it still happens. I auditioned for Chris Nolan's most recent film recently actually in the middle of the fires, which was intense. It was like chaos going on everywhere. We didn't have power. And I end up, you know, going to a friend's house and have the zoom with the casting. I'm like, yeah, everything's fine, let's just do this, you know. But you know, I love, like he's number one on my list of directors I want to work with. But I didn't get the job. And that's how it goes. You don't get the job more than you get it, you know, and, and once you're okay with that, it makes it a little easier. But it's never EAS easy.

B (29:21)

It's amazing that. Just the competition in life.

A (29:23)

Yeah.

B (29:24)

And I'll never forget I was, I did a lot of fitness work back in, back in the day.

A (29:30)

Sure.

B (29:30)

Go on castings. I was never trying to be an actor. I was, I've always wanted to be in the fitness and wellness space. That to me was acting for you. It's when I'm back.

A (29:38)

Absolutely.

B (29:39)

But I, but I remember to kind of make extra money, I was doing, you know, Men's Health and these, you know, I mean, annual reports of the guy flexing with a tattoo in his arm that said Exxon. Like that was me. It was every cast to make, I'd be at Sotheby's, you know, body painted for five hours, walking around, serving drinks, half naked video. But like, but like, but like funny stuff. But I'll Never forget there was. There was a situation. I'm five years into doing this. I'm in my early 20s, and I probably landed 5 to 10% of my jobs, which means, like, 90% of the work. And that's probably why I've always had this level of humility. I would walk into every casting, there was a million guys with a better body than me, better looking than me. It wasn't about that. I understood that, what are they looking for? It might be a guy with a crooked nose. That might be it, right? So. But I'll never forget, I'm going to my agency and picking up my comp cards, and my booker, Mike Lyons, turned to me and said, hey, there's a casting like, a block away. Could you take this woman? She just moved to New York. And I'm like, yeah, hey, nice to meet you. Cute. You know, from somewhere in the south, you know, pageant winner, Miss whatever. You know the story. And I knew the casting we were going to was brutal. And when I say brutal, I do. It's like a heavy casting. There's hundreds of people there. And I knew. I knew it. I was, like, waiting. And the whole time, she's like that. And I'm walking, and I got my back. I'm like, oh, interesting. You know, where are you from? Oh, okay, awesome. And I remember opening the door and being, like, kind of looking to see her expression because she's never been exposed to what she was about to see. And I opened the door, and we walked in, and it was like, in my career of going on castings, you've never seen so many beautiful people. And I walk in, and I just saw her face glaze over. And I looked at her. I stopped. I said, listen, sign in hand, your comp card. You never know what they're looking for. And then get out of here. And don't think about this again. If they call you, great. And if not, don't think about it again. And it was the last time I ever saw her. And the point of the story is, is that there's always someone out there that's better, in better shape, better looking, maybe more talented. You just don't know in your industry, when you go in for that one audition is looking at you, what mood are they in that day? They might just look at a way that you smirk or respond to something and be like, I like this guy. I'm going to give him a shot.

A (31:57)

Yep, it's true. It's funny you say that, because I had dinner last night with the writer director. Of this movie Unbreakable. Boy, you going back to that? But I never. He never told me this before. He said that, you know, the lead of the movie said, hey, listen, I think this guy would be perfect for it. Just, can you just FaceTime him, like? And the guy's like, I don't, I don't want, you know, this is. I've got somebody else in mind. I don't want to meet this guy. But he, he agreed to do it. So he's like, I'm. I'm like. One of those deals was like, hey, I'll be right there. I just got to do this real quick and get this over with. And so we have a FaceTime. And. And by the time that FaceTime was over, he's like, that's my guy. And I never knew that, like, I was just being me. And. And it. It was, you know, so I didn't realize that I didn't have that job until. Until the end of that thing. And then I did. And so, you know, thank God that, you know, that we have those moments where there's a little grace involved. And, you know, because exactly what you said, you never know. You never know. And listen, that is the nature. That's the nature of Hollywood, of the business, is that the next phone call be. Phone call could be the one. And that's why I was trying to understand. I'm back in New York, which I. You know, we loved living here. I love it here. We really enjoy the energy here, but it's a different energy because it's. The whole world is here, right? And all these industries and, you know, LA is really about Hollywood. And so the energy of LA is that everybody. And even if you're not in the business, there's this feeling of we're all one phone call away from that big job, you know, and so there's kind.

B (33:26)

Of exciting in a way.

A (33:26)

It is. And I had somebody tell me recently, they moved away, and that was the thing that they missed. They missed that excitement and that energy that is just kind of there. And it's hard to quantify, but I finally, after all these years, have figured out that's what it is, is it's that waiting for the phone to ring. I have my. All my representation. I have them on the. The old phone ring, you know, the. The old timey phone ring. So whenever I. It's like Pavlov's dog. Whenever I hear that ring, I'm like, what. What is that? Is this the one? You know, and so. So there is that that vibe of, of what it is, and, and, you know, look, so many of your, your clients that are, you know, megastars, they don't have to worry about that so much anymore. They're just about making whatever the next thing is. But there's always pressure. But it's, you know, it's, it's.

B (34:06)

I feel like a lot of the ones I'm working with, though, do run scared. And I think that's kind of cool. So even, like, that's cool, you know, like Annie Hathaway, who I love. Like, I've worked with Annie, I'm good friends with her husband. She's always like, you know, she's always hustling for that next job, and she's always working and she's staying current and she handles herself beautifully and, but she's never, I've never seen her sit back being like, I got this.

A (34:30)

Yeah.

B (34:30)

Like, they're always. And that's what's kind of cool about it is I, as, I think.

A (34:33)

And it's funny you say running scared because the, you know, you have those epiphany moments, and one of them was for me watching a DVD extras. Do you remember those? Remember the old days? The children? They used to be extra DVD extras. And you'd have people, like, interviewed about the show. And it was Dustin, I don't even remember the show. Runaway Jury or something, whatever it was. And Dustin Hoffman. Right? Dustin Hoffman, the same guy we talked about. And he's talking about being an actor. And he's like, the best part about being an actor is that you're always running scared. And the worst part about being an actor is that you're always running scared. So it's so funny that you mentioned that phrase because that is it me.

B (35:07)

But I, but I feel like anyone great in business or anyone great in fitness or everyone, any great actor. There was, there was, there was a line that my grandfather gave to me at a young age, and he used to say this to me. And I, I got to be honest, Grandpa. Sorry. I, I, I, I, I would, I would roll my eyes to it because, you know, when he's telling you this At 11, 12 years old, you know, I'm thinking to myself, you know, he would say, you know, peace of mind, like a, a, a wealthy man, you know, is someone who finds peace of mind. And I'm like, I just want to be a millionaire. Millionaire.

A (35:35)

Right.

B (35:35)

But, like, what I, what I realized was peace of mind for him was the person who found levels of success. Yeah. And, you know, that allowed Them to find it. Success is wrapped in different ways for different people. But what he would give me was run scared.

A (35:48)

Yeah.

B (35:48)

Try harder. And there's no room for complacency. Those three lines. And now that I even look at someone who's incredibly cute. Thank you. But like anyone, you know, anyone that I work with now or anyone that I. I'm. I don't want to say work with because I'm not working with many people anymore.

A (36:05)

Yeah.

B (36:05)

Anyone I'm connected with.

A (36:07)

Yeah.

B (36:07)

The thing that we all have in common is even when things are going good, I think you have that level of humility because you remember how bad things were at a certain point, or you remember the bed and saying to yourself, God, you know what? I'm one bad performance away. Or. Or, you know, it's not even. This is a scary thing. It's not always on you.

A (36:26)

Yeah.

B (36:26)

Because you can go in and give the actor performance of a lifetime. I don't know how they're editing or. Or cutting this or the directing or all these things can really portray how you're being seen. You can go in and feel phenomenal about your performance, but then the finished product is shit.

A (36:42)

Yeah, Absolutely right. It happens all the time, and it.

B (36:45)

Happens all the time. And I think that's why a lot of the actors that I've worked with have that, and I think that's a good thing. And I think having that can be a great quality, but can also work against you. Health and wellness.

A (37:01)

Yeah.

B (37:01)

You know, why is it that we're not, you know, going and eating a pizza every day? Can I get away with it? Sure. But it starts. Things start fading, and they start diminishing. They start going. They're against your rules and against your values.

A (37:12)

Well, and that was. That's true for me. You know, we've had the journey together as. With. As my trainer, and the, you know, the ups and downs, and it's like, you know, there's always the thing that happens, whether it's traveling or an injury or whatever, and then you slide and you backslide and, you know, and even now, we're talking like, all right, I got to get back after the weights. You know, I've been doing the cardio, but I got to get the weights. Like, it is a constant battle with. With the.

B (37:33)

What am I trying with? The one thing that you and I have always worked on is, Drew, we don't have to go in there with our A game.

A (37:40)

Yeah.

B (37:41)

We don't have to go in there with our six day a week. 90 minutes a day. I honestly believe with the basketball. And listen, who's pushing you a lot now is your son.

A (37:48)

That's right.

B (37:49)

Because he's, he's in eighth grade. He looks like he's a senior. Great, great looking kid. Put together, so articulate. Like, you speak to him and you feel like you're at dinner with a 30 year old. I mean, you gotta be really proud of him. Leo's phenomenal, but like, he's my wingman. But I see now that there's like, all right, man, this could be a little competitiveness going on here. Like, he's gonna be busting your ass soon on the basketball court.

A (38:09)

Absolutely.

B (38:09)

But so now it's like, what do you guys. Three days a week, I, I think of just getting in and giving me 30 minutes at three days a week with everything else you're doing, it's enough. Yeah, it's enough. And that's, you gotta realize it's enough. I think sometimes you're thinking of, you're thinking of Gotham and you're. Back then it was five, six days a week. And that was Drew then. Maybe we don't need that now in Drew's life.

A (38:31)

Yeah, no, that's so. And that's one of the things I love about the way that you approach it, is that you, like I said before, you meet people where they are and that, that's for me and the way that my ADD brain works and going down the rabbit hole, you know, like being able to take a chunk and be like, okay, we can do this, you know, and also to model for my son to be like, okay, we, you know, this is important for him in his longevity and his, the way he, he's going to approach the rest of his life. Like, you know, are we going.

B (38:58)

That's smart.

A (38:58)

Hit that.

B (38:59)

Yeah, that's smart. Because most parents will contact me and they'll say, how do I get my kid? Or what program? And I'll say, what are you doing? Yeah, well, I'm not asking. I'm asking you what, what he should do. Tell me, what are you doing?

A (39:10)

Yeah.

B (39:10)

And they're like, nothing. And I'm like, there you go. So I want to, I want to jump to one. I want to pivot for one second. Your wife is, she's a beautiful person, by the way. And, you know, I've always been a big fan of hers.

A (39:21)

I love collaborating with her.

B (39:22)

I think she's very talented. Wanted in so many walks of her life. But she's, she's, she's a strong person in your life. She's been an incredible influence on you and your son. She's mama bear.

A (39:34)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

B (39:35)

And it's like, I almost look at you and Leo sometimes. It's almost like you're his dad.

A (39:38)

But, yeah.

B (39:39)

Brotherly thing. And mom's sitting there cracking the whip.

A (39:42)

Absolutely.

B (39:42)

She's very calf conscious. What, what. Talk about the influences she's been on both of you.

A (39:47)

Yeah.

B (39:48)

And how much easier is. Is it. Is it. I would assume it's easier that she's sitting there kind of coaching you along.

A (39:53)

It is. And you know, it's. I wish I had her, you know, and, you know, much like you, that, that, that determination, that, that self control, because it's, it's remarkable, you know, when you. Because that's the thing. I'm my, my. I was always called a cake eater, not because I ate cake, but because I wanted to have my cake and eat it too as a kid. Like, I want to have it all. Like, that's my mentality and that's part of what got me. Me to where I am today. But it also is a detriment when you're like, well, yeah, I want to be able to have my pizza, which is my favorite food, and you know, and work out and look great. You know, it's like I'm not great at depriving myself of the things that I want because I want to be able to have it all. And she's been really good at being like, okay, well, listen, you know, have a little, you know, but like, here are the ways that you need to be healthy. And so, you know, but it's all about the grind. So, you know, I've left a stack of headshots for you to give to all of your more famous clients. So if you could just distribute them.

B (40:49)

Listen, you've been very, you've been very successful. One of the more loved actors that just from your reputation, obviously, I think everyone's going to know why everyone loves you so much. And I always told you, man, it's, it's, it's, it's happening. You're like, you're doing fantastic and keep pushing. I think sometimes, you know, things happen differently for different people at different times. Now what I'm excited to do with you is we're going to take a few questions. What we do is we should have one of the callers.

A (41:15)

Okay?

B (41:15)

They're calling in with questions. You and I are gonna go back and forth. I don't know what they're asking us. Fitness stuff, maybe acting Stuff, I don't know. I'm here to protect you on the fitness stuff. I can't help you there, but I think.

A (41:29)

Right.

B (41:29)

Ashton from la. Ashton, how you doing, man?

A (41:32)

Look, he's got that Eagles champion hat on. He's loving life. Go Birds.

C (41:38)

I'm having a great life.

A (41:39)

Congrats. It's been a good.

C (41:41)

Well, thanks for having. I definitely want to ask a question, so.

A (41:46)

So.

C (41:47)

Okay. I'm a fit guy, so I feel so shallow asking this, but I just want to be even more fit. Right. So this summer I'm like, summer's coming. I. I've always, I've been doing my sit ups and like abs are in a good shape. But the problem I'm always coming to is kind of the body fat part. And I know nutrition is a really big part of, you know, when it comes to body fat, BMI and things like that. Or at least I think that's what it is. So I was just kind of wondering if you guys could give any tips on, you know, just nutrition, things like that, things to eat, or maybe even certain things like when it comes to shredding. I want a cheese grater this summer.

B (42:21)

So. Yeah, no, get it. Well, like you oneo Drew. It's funny because I think.

A (42:26)

See my. No, that's later, later. Show you my cheese grater in better.

B (42:30)

Shape that he's leaving. Don't listen to him.

A (42:32)

I got my pony cake right here.

B (42:34)

I really think like fitness and business and acting, there's so many similarities because improvement, like if you want to improve, you have to start thinking outside is when you get to a certain level like he's at.

A (42:47)

Yeah.

B (42:47)

You got to think outside the box. And in your industry, maybe it's acting coaches or mentors or maybe it's just reps of being on, you know, in specific jobs and, you know, just having people critique you.

A (43:01)

Yeah.

B (43:01)

One thing that's very difficult right now is I don't know what you're doing. So from an exercise standpoint, the stuff you named is, is great. But like from a nutritional standpoint, I mean, I don't know where your protein is, your carbs, your fat, your fiber, like how much resistance training you're doing. And I think if you're not assessing, you're guessing. So anytime I'm going to work with someone in your situation, I'm going to say journal for a couple days, write down the meals that you're eating. Because it might not be training, it might be more nutrition based. It could be training. Maybe your nutrition's Great. But if there's volatility every day, right? Meaning one day you're eating 200 grams of protein, the next day you're eating 100, and one day you're eating 300 grams of carbs, and the next day you're eating 50. There's so much volatility, it's very difficult for the body to change. And I think that's something you could take from bodybuilders.

A (43:50)

I remember being around when you were getting ready for that muscle and fitness cover. I remember you were like, you know, the amount that you had to, you know, with your diet, which was already great to get to that place was, I was like, hell, no know, but obviously, yeah, obviously this guy's ready for it.

B (44:06)

So, you know, he, I could tell you're, you're, you're in great shape. But I, I think the, the only difference between the COVID of Muscle and Fitness or where I am now is that certain things there's, there's no guessing. So I, I, I track my macros now, but I'm even tighter. There's no cheat meals where right now maybe it's one every two weeks or one a week or those things like, you know, I don't drink alcohol, but back then I would have a couple beers here and there. That's gone, right? It's, there's just certain think until you mark down and journal what it is you're doing. And what I recommend you doing is writing down the times of day you eat, your portion sizes, you know, how frequently are you eating, how much water are you drinking? These things are important. And then be real with yourself. If you're noticing that in that week I just had a couple chicken fingers here, or I had a one piece, it was just a piece of pizza here. Or, you know, I had an, I had an ice cream with my, with my, with my little cousin doesn't. And you're like, these things don't seem like a lot. But you know what, when you add them up at the end of the week, it adds up to become a lot. And when you start really monitoring that, that's when your body takes even more shape than where it is now. I mean, it looks like what you're doing is working really well.

C (45:20)

But no, don you, what I'm, what I'm hearing so clearly to me has kind of been a through line of my life. It's just being intentional, being intentional and disciplined. And I think you're so right. Like, like I am the chicken fingers on a Thursday night. But then Back to my protein fully on Friday and wondering why. Like, there's no consistency, so I'm a compliment guy. I just want to say, Don, you said it so perfectly. It's like, everybody's so different. I, like, I. When I go work out at the gym, I see guys of, like, dad bodies, but, like, it's something that's still so sharp about, like, keeping cut, keeping lean. I think we all have different body sizes, so I want to say that to you, Drew.

A (45:55)

Oh, yeah, man. Yeah. I'm messing with you. I'm glad. I'm glad that you and Don can shred the cheese, and I'll eat the cheese.

B (46:03)

All right, brother. Nice meeting you. So much. Nice meeting you.

C (46:06)

Thank you, guys.

A (46:06)

All right. See you, bro.

B (46:08)

All right, we're going to take.

A (46:09)

That's awesome, dude. What a. That's a. What a really cool gift.

B (46:12)

Come on, man.

A (46:12)

He's a giver. Come on, Don Saladino. He's a giver.

B (46:15)

We got one more call. We. We.

A (46:17)

We got, like, Oprah. You get a month. You get a month. You get it.

B (46:22)

I do a lot more. If I fight or if I had Oprah's money, I give everyone. Challenge. Is this Hannah from Austin? It is, yes.

D (46:28)

Hi, Don.

A (46:29)

Hi, Hannah.

B (46:30)

So, Hannah, what's your. What's your question? Fired off.

D (46:32)

So I used to have a really good, like, lifting routine back in college, so I'm pretty familiar with, like, move different movements and that sort of thing. But recently, I just. I don't have access or, like, to go to a big gym, and I've really gotten into spinning classes at home.

B (46:48)

Sure.

D (46:49)

And I've really lost, like, I don't have a good strength routine at home, and I'm just wondering with, like, some smaller weights I have at home, what you'd recommend for starting to, like, rebuild a routine that I can do at my house with, like, some, like, dumbbells and, like, I have, like, a barbell up to about £50. Just what would you recommend?

B (47:12)

Well, coach Drew over here. This is exactly, like, you've come to the right place right now. This is what we do with you.

A (47:17)

Absolutely.

B (47:18)

So why don't you talk to Anna right now about what was some of the basic movements that we had you do, and we weren't looking for a lot of time, Hannah. We weren't in there. Drew and I would not be in there an hour and a half an hour. It's like, I'm trying to get drew done in 35, 40 minutes.

A (47:32)

Yeah, it was great.

B (47:33)

So talk about it and.

A (47:34)

Yeah, Cause that was my deal. Like, I wasn't. I'm not a gym guy unless I love the old drive. But, you know, I'm much more of an at home guy like you. And so Don hooked me up with these power blocks, which was really great because it was, you know, I was able to get the weight, you know, without having to have all of them. But also, you know, with just what you've got, with what you've just described, you know, yeah, that Don's like, and this happens, like when I'm on the road, it's like, okay, what's the hotel fitness center? You know, some of them are like, you know, basically what you described. It's incredible how with your programs, because you have the dumbbell program and you also got the gym program, but I almost always exclusively do. Even if there's a gym, I do the dumbbell program because to me, I prefer it. I feel like it's better for me.

B (48:19)

And a lot of full body. So, like, what Drew will end up doing is he'll do like one leg movement one day, one pushing movement with upper body, one pulling movement, one core movement. And then if we want to sprinkle in some arms and have some fun, that's fine. But like, the reality is this. You could do a goblet squat, you could do, you could do a dumbbell RDL, Romanian deadlift. You can do a shoulder press, a dumbbell row, and some type of a core movement movement. That's five exercises. Do 10 reps of each, do three to five rounds, or set a timer for 15 to 20 minutes and you're done. Like, it doesn't have to be where. If you enjoy spinning, I recommend keep spinning as long as your back feels good and your body's not bothering you. Because you know, spinning, being in that kyphotic position is going to force those hips to get tight and that back to get tight. Sometimes the low back gets a little achy. I think the strength training is going to be great for you because muscle, muscle can lead to a more efficient metabolism. It's body armor, it's protective. So it's going to allow you to spin and stay strong. And if you're doing the right fitness.

A (49:24)

Now, if she's mobility, if she's limited in the amount of weight that she has, is that a situation where you just go more reps?

B (49:31)

You can go more reps or you can even slow down. So listen, if you have. Great, great question. Let's say you have.

A (49:36)

Thank you.

B (49:37)

Let's say you have 10 pound dumb. Let's say you have one set of dumbbells, and it's a pair of 10 pound dumbbells. Well, on a Romanian deadlift, you're probably going to be able to do a lot more than that. On a bicep curl, that might be just right. So what happens with the Romanian deadlift? We might start slowing down the reps now. Maybe we're taking three to five seconds to get to the bottom with a pause. So now that set might take us a minute long. Right, right. We're increasing that time under tension. You know, we can also raise up the reps, get the reps high. Like when I design programs, I would say 80% of my program design can be anywhere from 5 reps, 30 reps. Yeah, you're gonna feel things at 30 reps. Like you're just gonna. You're gonna feel it. You're gonna create a stimulus. So I think there's a way you can be successful. But the biggest mistake people make is they're like, well, my legs. My arms aren't strong or they're not as strong. I'm like, you're comparing your arms to your legs. It's not even you. You. You can't compare those things. But that's where I would start. Start with three, you know, three days a week, max. Try and keep the workouts at 20 to 30 minutes max. If they're less, they're less. Get in, get out, and be hungry to want to repeat and do it again and again.

D (50:44)

Yeah, no, that gives me a lot to think about. Thank you so much.

B (50:46)

And what I'm going to do is we're going to start having Drew writing programs over here. We're going to.

A (50:51)

All right, step one, go to Austin's Pizza. Get the pepperoni. Love that place.

B (50:57)

Unbelievable. Hannah, it's great meeting you. All right? And if you have any questions, DM me on Instagram. And, you know, you can ask Drew for advice as well on the training regimen.

A (51:05)

Yeah, yeah. Good luck.

D (51:07)

Thank you, Don and Drew.

B (51:08)

Thank you. Good. Good luck. That was fun.

A (51:11)

That's so good.

B (51:12)

How easy. So listen, man. Thank you, buddy. This is you. You had such a crazy few days with travel, your son waiting out there right now. The fact that you took time to come in here and spend a hour plus of me really means a lot.

A (51:25)

Anything for you, brother. Love you, man. Love you, man.

B (51:27)

Thank you.

D (51:33)

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A (51:39)

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