What Really Happened to the U.S.S. Liberty? Chapter One: Trouble Brewing

Summary

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Stuff They Don’t Want You To Know

Episode Summary: “What Really Happened to the USS Liberty? Chapter One: Trouble Brewing”

Original Air Date: July 22, 2026
Hosts: Ben, Matt, Noel
Producer: Dylan “the Tennessee pal” Fagan

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Overview

In the first chapter of a deep-dive series, the STDWYTK hosts unpack the lead-up to the infamous 1967 attack on the USS Liberty. They explore the vessel’s transformation from a humble cargo ship to a “spy ship” embroiled in international intrigue, set against the backdrop of the rapidly escalating Six-Day War. With recent Congressional attention reigniting debate, the hosts revisit enduring mysteries and controversies, setting the stage for a full investigation into one of the most persistent U.S. military conspiracy theories.

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Main Discussion Points

1. Why Cover the USS Liberty Now?

• Public Interest: The topic repeatedly resurfaces among conspiracy enthusiasts and remains largely omitted from mainstream U.S. history curricula. (03:00)
• Recent Developments: “A guy named Thomas Massie went before Congress and kind of laid it all out for the Congressional record.” (Matt, 03:20) Congressperson Massie’s statements and survivor testimonies have reignited controversy.
• Intent of the Series: To weigh official explanations against survivor accounts and uncover what may have been covered up.

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2. Origins & Evolution of the USS Liberty

• Initial Construction (08:24):
  • Originally launched as the SS Simmons Victory, a standard cargo ship in 1945.
  • “The Simmons could have spent the rest of its career just cruising up, down, and around the Hudson.” (Ben, 08:52)
• Military Service:
  • Served as a supply and logistics ship in WWII and the Korean War (1950–1952).
  • Demoted to auxiliary status post-Korea.
• Transformation to Spy Ship (12:35):
  • In June 1963, rechristened as USS Liberty and reclassified as AGTR-5, a “Belmont class technical research ship”—essentially a floating NSA surveillance station.
  • Equipped with “$20 million worth of Spoopy Doop upgrades… inflation… $219 million worth of upgrades here in 2026.” (Ben, 13:53)

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3. The Spy Ship’s Purpose and Tactics

• Mission: Acted as a mobile signals intelligence collection platform for the NSA, intercepting radio and Morse code transmissions.
• Not a Combat Vessel: “A logistics supplier… not a warship, per se.” (Ben, 10:27)
• Technical Upgrades: Included enhanced radio monitoring and four heavy machine guns for defense.
• Analogy: “They created a pop-up spy store on the high seas.” (Ben, 16:35)

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4. Pre-Attack Deployment & the Looming War

• Missions (20:48):
  • Conducted five known surveillance missions off Africa’s west coast between 1965 and 1967.
  • Redeployed to the Mediterranean in June 1967, near northern Sinai, Egypt, as the regional situation deteriorated.
• Six-Day War Context (23:05):
  • The vessel’s presence coincided with swelling tensions between Israel and neighboring Arab nations—Egypt, Syria, and Jordan.
  • Trigger: Egypt closed the Strait of Tiran to Israeli shipping—a move considered casus belli by Israel.

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5. The Six-Day War and the Liberty's Position

• Conflict Outline (24:09 - 27:00):
  • Israel retaliated with “Operation Focus,” crippling Egyptian air power and occupying the Sinai Peninsula.
  • U.S. officially maintained neutrality but wanted intelligence on rapidly shifting events.
  • Israel requested the U.S. either remove their vessels or provide precise location data to avoid friendly fire.
  • “They said, look, at a bare minimum, let us know the exact position of any US vessels in the area… let us know who not to shoot. That was their message.” (Ben, 32:24)
• Orders to Liberty: Directed repeatedly to ensure it remained strictly in international waters.

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6. The Attack (June 8, 1967)

• Event Recap:
  • Israeli forces—jets and torpedo boats—attacked the Liberty, mistaking it, according to official accounts, for an Egyptian vessel.
  • Casualties: “Over 170 people on the Liberty were injured... 34 crew members died on that day.” (Ben, 34:15)
• Aftermath:
  • “Deadliest assault on a US ship since World War II.” (Ben, 34:45)
  • Israel expressed immediate regret, calling it a “tragic mistake of misidentification.”
  • Multiple investigations—U.S. and Israeli—concluded it was not intentional, but “even now people don’t buy the official story.” (Ben, 35:13)

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7. Ongoing Controversy and Conspiracy

• Survivor Pushback:
  • “From day one, the survivors of the attack... disputed all of this... signage is visible... there's no way this is an accident.” (Ben, 43:24)
• Government Confrontations:
  • Joint Chiefs Chairman Thomas Min Maurer directly accused President Johnson of covering up the truth. (Ben, 47:04)
• Compensation:
  • Israel paid reparations totaling over $12 million (plus 13 years of interest), but “no amount can replace lost lives.” (Matt, 49:17; Noel, 49:47)

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8. Historical & Social Sensitivities

• Antisemitism Concerns:
  • Discussed how discussion of the USS Liberty incident is sometimes “weaponized” by hate groups.
  • “But it is important to be able to explore a topic like this... without that fear of being labeled something just because you're exploring history.” (Matt, 35:47)
• Reflecting on Accountability:
  • Hosts note that payment and apology are rare in international incidents, but these reparations have not silenced critics or survivors.

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9. Unanswered Questions & The Mystery That Remains

• Key Doubts: Why did the attack occur? Was it truly an accident or concealed for diplomatic/national security reasons?
• Official vs. Survivor Timeline: Official reports show a significant gap between low-level overflights (“buzzing”) and the commencement of the attack.
• Open-Ended Investigation:
  • “We have so much more to get to… Please do stay tuned as we get into the problems with that official narrative.” (Ben, 50:22)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On False Flags:
  “We used to spend a lot of time in the YouTube comments… noticing different things that kept resurfacing.” (Ben, 01:17)

• On the Liberty’s Spy Role:
  “It refers to, in this case, $20 million worth of Spoopy Doop upgrades.” (Ben, 13:16)

• On Survival and Cover-Ups:
  “From day one, the survivors… disputed all of this… there’s no way this is an accident.” (Ben, 43:24)

• On Accountability:
  “It’s a blood price, sure. But I’m just not a fan of quantifying a human life in a dollar amount.” (Ben, 49:45)

• The Chilling Final Transcript:
  Israeli pilot to IDF War Room:
  “But sir, it’s an American ship. I can see the flag.”
  IDF War Room:
  “Never mind, hit it.” (Ben, quoting intelligence transcript, 53:05)

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Important Timestamps

• History of the Liberty: 08:20 – 13:16
• Transformation to Spy Ship: 12:35–14:18
• Pop-Up Spy Store Analogy: 16:35
• Deployment to Mediterranean/Six-Day War Context: 22:56–31:05
• Description of the Attack: 34:15–35:14
• Official Explanations and Doubts: 35:13–44:56
• Survivor Critique, Government Disputes: 47:04–49:17
• Show-Closing Chilling Quote: 53:05

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Tone & Style

Conversational, skeptical, and witty, with a focus on precision and invitations for listener inquiry. The hosts balance irreverent humor (e.g., “Boaty McBoatface,” “spy food truck”) with serious reflection on tragedy, government transparency, and historical accountability.

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Next Episode

Chapter Two promises an exploration of further inconsistencies in the official record, detailed survivor accounts, and “the problems with that official narrative,” including analysis of intelligence reports and sustained efforts by survivors’ families to seek justice.

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Contact & Calls to Action:
Listeners are invited to review the CIA’s declassified “Israeli Attack on the USS Liberty” memo, send in their thoughts, and help crowdsource further investigation.

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For more:
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Transcript

[Ben]

From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies, history is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A production of iHeartradio.

[Matt]

Hello. Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt.

[Noel]

My name is Noel.

[Ben]

They called me Bed. We're joined as always, with our super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you are you. You are here. That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. And fellow conspiracy realist on Netflix or your podcast platform of choice. Tonight's episode has been quite some time in the making. You know, you guys will recall that ever since we started the show, certain conspiratorial subjects kept popping up repeatedly. And Matt, you'll recall this and no, you'll recall this. We used to spend a lot of time in the YouTube comments on our original show. Be going back and forth through like hundreds a week and noticing different things that kept resurfacing.

[Noel]

Conspiracy. Whack a mole, man. Conspiracy. Whack a mole. This is a fascinating one. A vaguely maritime, naval, naval themed episode and an absolute conspiracy that has been. I know you've been following for a long time, Ben.

[Matt]

Well, 14 years ago we put out episodes on the old House Stuff works channel about false flag attacks. We did a multi video series on false flag attacks. And that got us extremely interested in all the various times that countries and powers have used the flag of someone else to get something done.

[Noel]

It's dirty pool, man. Isn't that kind of like against the rules of engagement? It seems like. I mean, no fairsies, you know what I mean?

[Ben]

It's kind of if you, if you. Bad luck. Yeah, it's a bad look. I agree with that. If you study the passage of empires, it's street ball.

[Noel]

What's the Trojan horse? Is that a false flag attack or is that just a Trojan horse attack?

[Ben]

That's a Trojan horse attack. Congrats to everybody who pulled that one off. One of these topics.

[Noel]

Looking forward to the movie, right?

[Ben]

Right. What? It's an odyssey, I'm sure. Hopefully not. Honda. One of the. One of the things these topics that we continually saw way back in the day was historically considered too sensitive to be in your textbooks in the United States. This is a true story. Even talking about this could get you in trouble. And so, inspired by a recent conversation on our weekly listener mail segment, we decided to dive in. This is a story of death. It is fraught with communication breakdowns, quite possibly depending upon whom you ask. This is one of the biggest cover ups in modern American history.

[Matt]

And one of the primary reasons we're talking about this today is because a guy named Thomas Massie went before Congress and kind of laid it all out for as a Congressional record. Not that it wasn't already a part of American history, the thing we're talking about today, and a known thing and has been known for a long time, but, but a human being that is on the upper echelons of our legislature spelled it all out in front of everybody because he had recently met with some folks who were at the heart of the thing we're going to talk about today. So I think that's important just to put here because you can go right now and you can listen to those remarks, you can read some Snopes articles that are in relation to theories that have popped up around the Internet about the things that Thomas Massie said. There's a lot of red meat there and things to discover. And we're going to be talking about it today. It is vastly important, but it is, it is heated up, I think, because of that action.

[Ben]

Agreed. This is the true story of the USS Liberty. Or we're going to give you what we know, folks, and we want to hear from you. So conspiracyheartradio.com you tell us your thoughts. At the end of this exploration, we'll pause for a word from our sponsors. We'll be right back. This is an iHeart podcast, Guaranteed Human.

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Here are the facts. USS Liberty. It's a ship, right?

[Noel]

Boaty McBoatface would have been a more appropriate name though. No, it was not that. But it was not originally called the USS Liberty. This ship has had a long and surprisingly distinctive unique origin story. It was originally called the SS Simmons Victory. That is the ship that would become the Liberty. And it was finished, being built on May 4, 1945. Intended to serve in World War II.

[Ben]

The day after it was completed, May 5, 1945, it shipped off for the Pacific theater. And then, of course, as we know, World War II ended. So the Simmons became part of what was called the National Defense Reserve Fleet, which meant essentially that it was helping assist commercial charter vessels and cargo carriers. Right. The kind of things you would see all around ports in the United States. They removed all of the armament so it couldn't fire on, you know, rogue cargo carrier. This ship, the Simmons, could have spent the rest of its career just cruising up, down, and around the Hudson. Also, we should note that in maritime culture and tradition, we're supposed to refer to vessels in a gendered way. We're going to say it instead of she, just for the sake of conversation.

[Matt]

That makes sense.

[Ben]

Unfortunately, things didn't really work out that way.

[Noel]

The.

[Ben]

The Simmons could have stayed the Simmons and probably have been up and down and around that area of the US until the 70s. But war was not done. The Simmons got called back into action during the Korean War. From 1950 to 1952, it made something like nine trips to the Pacific theater, primarily to carry war supplies.

[Noel]

What are we talking here? Like, how many sailors would have manned this vessel?

[Ben]

Pretty small amount in comparison to the naval might we hear when other US Vessels are discussed.

[Noel]

So not a warship, per se, not like a battleship. This is more of a courier, like you said. It was there to ferry supplies to and from the theater of war. Right, Right.

[Ben]

A logistics supplier. And it did that function during the Korean War. The Korean War reached its current state, as we record, on July 14, which is a Tuesday in 2026. Folks, it's important to remember, maybe the west won't tell you as often as they should. The Korean peninsula is still very much in conflict. They just hit the pause button. They've been in a cartoonishly long ceasefire for decades.

[Noel]

It's a cold war of its own. Right. I mean, essentially between the north and the South. They're just in, like, the. What is it called? The. What's that line of demarcation called?

[Ben]

The dmz.

[Noel]

The dmz, Right. But then there's also Joint Security Area.

[Ben]

Yes, that's on the dmz.

[Noel]

Right, Got it.

[Ben]

That's a little blue building that you

[Noel]

get where they show you a video. If I'm not mistaken, Ben, that you experienced. Right?

[Ben]

Mm. Yeah. It's all about how the DMZ is great for birds.

[Noel]

That's right. I knew there was. It was bird related. I'm sorry. It's all coming back to me now.

[Ben]

Oh, yeah. Next time we hang out there, man, you got to check out the film.

[Noel]

Sounds good.

[Ben]

The Simmons we do know survived the Korean War. It comes back to the United States, and it is deemed a miscellaneous auxiliary ship. And that's. I'm reading tea leaves here, but it does sound a lot like Uncle Sam said down, Right? Yeah. It's been in two wars. It hasn't sank. We should just, you know, keep it around. We spend so much money on the tooth, though, right?

[Noel]

Like, it's sort of like saying that maybe it's seen. It's. It's time.

[Sam J]

Right.

[Noel]

And maybe it's time to do something different with it.

[Ben]

Yeah. And different happens. This is the story of the Simmons and its transformation. It's. It's June of 1963, when the Simmons gets a new lease on life. It is renamed. It is now the USS Liberty, and it is reclassified. No longer civilian stuff, no longer helping cargo carriers. It is now a Belmont class technical research ship, or designation AGTR5. Can't let the euphemistic name fool us. It is a spy ship now.

[Noel]

I mean, it's researching the business of the enemy, basically, Right?

[Sam J]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Or anybody, right?

[Noel]

100%. Yeah. It's gathering intel. It's gathered. It's data mining, you know, out there in those high seas.

[Matt]

Yeah. And this is highly important to our story today, this moment. Don't let it slip past you. The concept that a ship was refitted to be a spy implement that floats around on the water and is big and imposing, but also just a ship, and it's a research vessel. It's fine.

[Noel]

Where do they get all those marvelous toys is what I know.

[Ben]

This is why we're saying it's a euphemism. Fellow conspiracy realist, that title, technical research, it refers to, in this case, $20 million worth of Spoopy Doop upgrades. And for a quick inflation calculator that equates to a little over $219 million worth of upgrades here in 2026.

[Noel]

That's like the budget of Avatar 3.

[Ben]

And so, of course, they expect a return, right?

[Noel]

I think so. I would hope so, yeah.

[Matt]

It's an interesting thing to consider because often on the show we've talked about spy planes and satellites, you know, technology that's usually up above that has the capability of looking down and well, it

[Noel]

makes more sense logistically. Like it's a, it's a bird's eye view, it's. And it's a lot more out of the way. It's easier to kind of hide. But these, you know, naval vessels out in the ocean, they're also got their own kind of way of hiding for sure.

[Matt]

But if you're going to do any kind of, let's say visual spying, you're at sea level literally and anything you know, above sea level, you're going to have a problem checking out and seeing if you've got high level microphone systems. They can pick things up from far away. You're going to pick up other vessels potentially or stuff at ports, things that are happening very close to the coastline. It does make me wonder what are they actually like, how are they spying on people? Ben?

[Ben]

Yeah. The mission of the newly minted Liberty is to support our friends at no such agency, the National Security Administration by collect. National Security Agency by collecting and processing what is called signals intelligence. So like you were saying, Matt, scuttlebutt off the port, radio communication, Morse code, which was very huge at the time. Anything related to a very vague definition of national interest is up for grabs, up for hoovering. It also got four pretty heavy machine guns added on to, you know, make it look serious just in case.

[Noel]

Right.

[Ben]

Just to get, you know, you get

[Noel]

a habit, not need it, then need it and not have it, you know.

[Ben]

Yeah, you get in situations.

[Noel]

So they're intercepting, that's what they're out there. They're out there in the, in those seas intercepting communications and then funneling that information to the appropriate parties in the NSA that they can then add that to their bundle of intel, you know.

[Ben]

Yeah, intercepting but not interfering. Kind of like lurking on a subreddit.

[Noel]

Photographers.

[Ben]

I want to get back to what you were saying earlier because this is a pretty brilliant concept. The problem with so much land based collection stuff is that your HQ often ends up being static. It's difficult to move all your equipment without being noticed. And once an enemy force clocks you, the jig is up. So if you. Basically what they did with the Liberty is they created a pop up spy store on the high seats. It was very easy to move. And as long as you're not looking for something super far inland, you have a catbird seat. Yeah, pretty cool. And they were pretty successful for a while. Hey folks, have you ever picked up something at the grocery store that looked healthy, you know, but then you flip it over and you see the list of ingredients and you're saying, I can't pronounce half of these things.

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[Ben]

So where are you going to park your pop up spy store? Right, if you're Uncle Sam. In June of 1965, the Liberty went off on its first lag of monitoring missions. And like you were saying earlier, Noel, they were not intervening in things, they were collecting stuff. And to your earlier question, Matt, I think we know they had radio monitoring capabilities. So totally, if they could, if they could clock or track some sort of aircraft, they were doing that too. They were off the western coast of Africa and ran. I don't want to sound too weird about it or paranoid, but they ran five missions that we know of, five spy missions in that area on the western coast of Africa from 1965 up to 1967.

[Noel]

And we were talking a little bit off mic, just trying to come up with a appropriate comparison in the spy world of a land version of this. And I think we landed on. It's sort of the unmarked van sitting outside of a mafia headquarters with the dudes with headphones on the inside, but at sea and completely movable and much more focused on intercepting communications rather than like listening in on like, you know, physical bugs or something like that.

[Ben]

Yeah, like a spy food truck, you know. There you go, There you go. And in. Everything changed in 1967, in summer, in June, the Liberty deployed to the Mediterranean. And this is where it lingers, technically in international waters. So they're not intruding upon sovereignty. They're in international waters near the north coast of Sinai, Egypt. And as in previous missions, they're not there to Fire munitions. They're not there to try to storm the beach or anything. They just want to collect as much intelligence as possible. So why the Mediterranean, right? Why West African coast to the Mediterranean?

[Noel]

Well, historians seem to have a pretty good idea of why the Mediterranean. And that would be the infamous Six Day War, right?

[Ben]

Yeah, pretty much everybody in the know felt something bad was in the wind. Kind of like, remember that scene in the Lord of the Rings adaptation where the elf Legolas walks out on a promontory and says, there's a fell wind?

[Noel]

Ooh, I do love a fell wind. And isn't that a. That's an Elden ring thing too? The fell omen. Isn't that one of the bad guys? Margot. Margot. Margot. Anyway, yeah, fell. It's a good word. Very, very spooky.

[Ben]

An open conflict had not broken out in the Middle east just yet, but everybody was thinking, this is inevitable. It's a matter of when rather than a matter of if. The usual diplomatic off ramps are failing. So Uncle Sam, understandably the biggest superpower Post World War II, they want to know what's going on. And they successfully predicted, as you mentioned earlier, Noel, a Six Day War. They didn't call it that until after it was over for sure.

[Noel]

Yeah, I was not aware of the Six Day War, of the Hundred Years War and other spans of time, but didn't know about the Six Day War. So maybe some folks out there didn't either. So let's jump into what that was all about. Took place from June 5th to the 10th, six days of 1967. It was an escalation of ongoing tension. It's been going on for so, so long. It's exhausting in the Middle east with the nation of Israel fighting a group of other countries in the region. Mainly we're talking about Egypt, Syria and Jordan.

[Matt]

I'm not an historian, but it is a fascinating moment in history. The reason it's six days is literally because it's six days. But it also reminds everybody how quickly the conflict was ended by Israel.

[Ari Chambers]

Right.

[Matt]

Like it was one and done. We knocked this out in six days. That's what's up. It was a coalition of countries. And I mean, you could. There's guerrilla groups involved. There's just, as we talk about in many of the conflicts that have occurred in the Middle east, there's money flowing into, you know, groups, Right. That end up operating and doing things and attacks taking over places like in an individual city, a town, a region. But then you also have full fledged countries that are stepping up and Doing military operations. There is a lot to learn about the Six Day War. I would just put out there and we're not going to be able to cover all of it right now, but this is. We're going to give you the overview.

[Ben]

Yeah. The quick and dirty. The quick and dirty is this. Israel had already stated to the nation of Egypt that if they closed the Straits of Tehran, T I R A N they would consider it a cause for a hot war, an open conflict. And they were saying this because Egypt had banned Israeli vessels from that strait earlier. The reason that's important is because the vital port of Israel, Elliot, is you need the strait to get there basically for shipping to happen.

[Matt]

Egypt, just before we, before we keep on going there, just think about how much this is lining up with current events. I was going to say, I mean, right.

[Noel]

Seems like it's like a one to one with like the Strait of Hormuz. Only in this case we did the action that led to the closing of the strait, whereas this was, I'm curious, it's maybe some, a little more detail around why they closed it in the first place. It didn't seem like they were provoked in the way that Iran was in this current situation.

[Ben]

There was a lot of back and forth leading up to the Six Day War. And these nations, not the people necessarily the governments hated each other. They're an economic competition. They are both attempting regional control. That's just the truth, plainly put. And Egypt called Israel's bluff and they banned not all ships from the strait because they still wanted to make money. They banned all Israeli flagged ships. Israel did retaliate. They had something called Operation Focus. This was a series of concurrent airstrikes and ground force movements that absolutely demolished Egypt's air force, establishing regional air supremacy. And then they entered and occupied the Sinai Peninsula. It was terrible for the innocent people living on the peninsula at the time because the Egyptian government said hey, everybody has to evacuate. And this land was overtaken and this occupation of the Sinai Peninsula inspired or galvanized, we could say other Arab nations to join with the cause of Egypt. Now they weren't all like Syria and Jordan weren't all attacking with the same ferocity, but they were very much on the side of Egypt. So we've got the one nation, Israel and then we've got the other nations responding in force. This is a one V multiple fight.

[Matt]

And again I might get some of this wrong but this is my understanding. So if we got historians right in and tell us and we can, we can fix things but my understanding is that that is a pretty aggressive move by Egypt to say, hey, everybody can come through but you is real. You can't come in.

[Noel]

That's a pretty you out. I mean, that's like, you know, calling, calling them out in, in, in the most, you know, public way possible or at least among the coalition.

[Matt]

It's like, but it's still not hot conflict, right? It's not, that's not a violent, dangerous.

[Noel]

It is a lead up to that for sure. It feels like, yeah, it's them as fighting words, right?

[Matt]

Last thing here is just that the attacks that Israel carried out in response to some of this, Ben, the way you describe them is perfect, but there's a word that's really important in here and this is my understanding of it too. In writing about it. Even the US Historian on the website you can find now talks about the nature of the surprise attacks. Like the, not that attacks are announced, right? It's dirty, cool. It's different, right? It's, it's all of a sudden bombs are going off at an airport, an airfield, and now you can't get any flight. Like you can't send anything out of that airfield anymore. And it just happens like that and it's over. When Ben, you were, you were talking about gaining air superiority again, just the nature of it happening in a flash rather than, I don't know, even some warning.

[Noel]

I mean, early morning.

[Matt]

They don't know how to say that, right?

[Ben]

I don't know. They did say, they did say if you, if you ban Israeli vessels from the strait, this will be causes belly, which is the Latin phrase for reason, to go to war. Egypt called their bluff and the other nation responded. And we're just being objective about that. We're not, we're not trying to tilt the scales on this one, folks, but we do want you to know the context because in the midst of this sudden chaos and bloodshed, what could indeed be called disproportionate response, our little USS Liberty is continuing its mission. And they get notes from. I bet they're getting some good stuff.

[Noel]

I bet they're getting some good stuff during all of this.

[Ben]

Well, they get, what I was going to say is they're getting notes from command that says, okay, scoop back a little bit further, right. Make sure you are in international waters.

[Matt]

My understanding is that on June 2, so before this whole conflict got hot, they were headed from Spain. I think the USS Liberty was in Spain and it was heading towards that Egyptian coast over there by the Sinai Peninsula. But so they were already, as you're saying, they were already doing their thing kind of on the way over there. And then all of this takes off.

[Noel]

Isn't that a little, I mean, I

[Matt]

guess if there are tensions happening, you know, diplomatic tensions occurring openly the way it was going down, you might send your, your ship over there just to check things out or maybe support one side.

[Noel]

You're saying maybe it was already in the zone because this was sort of like brewing. And it was predicted that maybe this was going to go down. And then once it really popped off, the bosses, to your point, Ben, were like, just pop a little scooch so you can get right, you know, out of harm's way, but stick around enough to keep those tapes rolling.

[Ben]

Yeah. And again, they had, they had previously sensed that fell wind. That's why they were sending the Liberty in the first place, because the United States was technically a neutral country in the war. But they wanted to know what's going on. They wanted visibility. Israel. According to the sources we've looked at, their government asked the US government to remove, quote, any vessels from its shore and end quote there. And they said, look, at a bare minimum, let us know the exact position of any US vessels in the area. So if you have some reason, Uncle Sam, that you cannot get these out of our way while we're doing this war, let us know who not to shoot. That was their message.

[Matt]

Yeah, well, in that, in that, that makes sense, right? Hey, we're in a hot conflict right now. We are attacking things actively with our airplanes and our, the rest of the arsenal we have. Let us know if you're going to be around because we are shooting stuff in the moment and people fly false flags sometimes, Right. What I'm saying is somebody else could be flying an American flag potentially out there on a ship.

[Ben]

And again, not an unreasonable request, guys,

[Noel]

I didn't really know that. So that's obviously the term false flag attack from this concept, but it's sometimes as simple as that as someone literally hoisting a decoy flag.

[Ben]

Yeah. Check out our episode on Russian shadow fleets.

[Noel]

It's been a long time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Matt]

Think back to our experience on the Virgin Voyages cruise and imagine looking out in the distance and seeing a ship. Right? And now imagine you, you can look at that ship with binoculars and some high powered optics from your ship or you can connect with them via some kind of communic. Right, right. How else are you going to verify who that is from that distance?

[Noel]

Yeah, yeah, for sure. No, I get the concept. I just the, the simple subterfuge of just hoisting a, an artificial flag, for lack of a better term, I just

[Matt]

think is, or responding with comms that you are of whatever nation for sure.

[Ben]

And so it came to pass, on June 8, 1967, Israeli forces attacked the USS Liberty. This is not a matter of speculation. This did occur. There were jet fighters bombing from the sky. Israeli naval forces were launching torpedoes. Over 170 people on the Liberty were injured. Some grievously 34 crew members died on that day. Within about 23 minutes to an hour. The ship is basically dead in the water. From what we understand from what has been declassified. The attacking forces led up and relented when they thought the Liberty was doomed to sink into the water. Make no mistake folks, this was the deadliest assault on a US ship since World War II. There are a bunch of inquiries as

[Noel]

there should have been.

[Ben]

Well, guys, we know what they found. Both nations, they, they concluded. Well, the government of Israel concluded that the attack was mistaken identity, was a deadly, deadly mistake, but it was a mistake nonetheless. The US investigation largely agreed. They stopped short of saying it was an accident, but they definitely did not say it was malevolence. And the issue is, even now people don't buy the official story.

[Matt]

Yeah, well, and it's also, gosh, it is wrapped up with all kinds of terrible stuff. I don't know how to put this guys. Allegations of anti Semitism. If you think about this too much or you talk about this too much, I'm looking at the Anti Defamation League's website. It's a great article which I recommend you read. The USS Liberty incident. How a tragic mistake became an enduring anti Semitic trope. So we do know that it can be used and weaponized. The, the topic we're talking about, this attack, this mistake, whatever it is, it can be used in a very negative way. But it is important to be able to explore a topic like this and everything that we're going to be doing today without that fear of being labeled something just because you're exploring history.

[Noel]

It's a tricky. Well, it's a tricky moment now in particular for that kind of stuff. Just with a lot of the division, you know, between Israel and Palestine and all of that stuff. I mean it is kind of become this hot means it's been a hot button issue for a long, long time. But now in particular, I think that fear is very valid. But that is, we are of course coming at it from a place of ultimately historical, not neutrality, but just we're talking about history here.

[Ben]

And we have to ask what actually happened. Thank you again to everybody who has written in inspiring this episode. We'll be right back after a word from our sponsors.

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[Ben]

Here's where it gets crazy. Okay? Factually, we can all agree the events themselves are pretty cut and dry. What we mean by that is we know when the attack occurred. We know that it did happen. We know the planes, the aircraft, the vessels involved. We know the rough timespan. I think I said this earlier, but 23 minutes to an hour, depending upon whom you ask. We know the placing, the positioning which was in international waters. What we don't know is way more difficult to ascertain. Why did this attack occur in the first place? Was it really an accident? Was it later portrayed as such to sort of calm the waters of international relationships between the US and Israel? I think it's worth noting that from the beginning the nation of Israel apologized for the attack, has consistently always said it was basically a screw up. And their claim is that they legitimately mistook in the fog of war the USS Liberty for an Egyptian ship.

[Noel]

And just to be clear, at this point in history, US and Israel were not nearly as cozy buddy buddies as we are now.

[Ben]

Well, that's an interesting question though they were pretty close. Maybe not for, I mean countries don't really have friends. They were pretty close because Israel was. The US at the time saw it as the bulwark of democracy in the region. So this was their way in to the region.

[Noel]

I guess what I'm asking is to understood if this were to happen today, do you think that same streak of antisemitism and blame gamery would happen or would it be much more quickly played off and supported by the US government that yes, in fact it was a dreadful mistake by our dear pals.

[Ben]

It's a tough, it's a sticky wicket. It's a bag of badgers for sure. Because then as now, the US response was deeply divided. We can't even talk about the public of America just yet. We have to talk about the political class and the members of the military, some of whom immediately accepted this official explanation. A lot of people had seen war before. They know terrible mistakes occur. And they said okay, we believe you. We are going to launch our own U. S led inquiry. The problem was from day one, the survivors of the attack on the USS Liberty disputed all of this. And they said very basic questions guys. They said look, our signage is visible. We're an American flagged ship. There's no way this is an accident. For pete's sake, the signage on our ship was in English, it's not in Arabic. You know what I mean? And also if you're a highly trained military, shouldn't you recognize what most of a different Egypt's naval forces will look like, how they will present?

[Noel]

Do you think the fog of war is always an excuse is more of like is it real? I know it is real when we're literally talking about on the battlefield friendly fire type stuff. But I'm with you man. This seems odd, like the using that argument, you know what I mean? In this, like I Don't know. Like to Matt's point, you probably could have just used your, your deck binoculars and taking a look and figured out what was going on in terms of who the ship belonged to.

[Matt]

Well, it is weird to me. According to the Office of the Historian for, for the United States Government, when you can check out their website and the official stuff there, it's the U.S. department of State Bureau of Administration.

[Noel]

Have to imagine it's been edited a good bit. Well in recent times, right.

[Matt]

They've got, well, they've got official timelines here. The CIA has done some significant writing like trying to get to the bottom of exactly what happened. There's all kinds of sources you can find out there. The thing that strikes me as interesting in context of this is that the ship was, they call it orbited by two unidentified Delta wing single engine jet fighters. And they are presuming that these are Israeli Mirages, that is the type of vehicle, type of plane or jet. And if, and that happens at 9:50am and the attack doesn't officially start until 3:05pm, which makes me think if you've got that amount of time elapsed between first buzzing this ship with jets, theoretically to warn and to perhaps establish, like fully identify the ship, that's just a lot of elapsed time and it's curious to me and I do wonder why that exists, why that was real. Do you think that's normal buzz by a ship and then all those hours later just do an attack, almost a surprise attack.

[Ben]

The buzz is normal.

[Matt]

It feels right to me.

[Ben]

The buzz is normal for sure.

[Noel]

Meaning buzz like what? Like just a little bit of a low flyby.

[Ben]

A flyby if you want to call it that. Know that part of the reason we're doing this episode is because of the survivors, the people who made it through this thing. We know that they were as consistent and have been as consistent in their claims of a cover up. We also know that high level military minds. Agreed. The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the time, a guy named Thomas Min, Min Maurer. He didn't. He's like a Smedley Butler level character, not so much on bedside manner. He straight up accused the President of the United States, Lyndon Johnson, of knowing the official story was crap and hogwash. And he said, you POTUS have covered up the truth. He's speaking, he's speaking hard hoard things to what is essentially kind of the King of the United States, the Commander in Chief. And this debate continued for decades and even now as we're recording again, 14 July 2026. Survivors and their families and their descendants, they feel no justice was served. I do think it's important for us to point out that in addition to an official apology and an official inquiry determining this was an accident, the Israeli government paid millions in compensation over decades and pretty significant amounts of money as well. We're talking $3.32 million in 1968, which is again the year after the attack. 1969, another $3.57 million in March of that year. Fast forward to 1980. $6 million in payment. This was agreed to be the final settlement payment. Plus get this guy's 13 years of interest. I'm still weirded out about that part.

[Noel]

Yeah, the interest. Yeah, that's. Yeah, that's got to add up.

[Matt]

That's a really good thing though, right? A country, any country recognizes they've done something wrong and pay reparations. They attempt to, to make something right. That we have to acknowledge how positive that is.

[Noel]

I think I agree.

[Matt]

It doesn't forgive. It doesn't forgive the, you know, dead lives.

[Noel]

It's taking responsibility at the very least and owning up to it in a way that seems like has become less and less a thing. Right.

[Ben]

It's a blood price, sure.

[Noel]

But I just mean I'm just not

[Ben]

a fan of quantifying a human life in a dollar amount.

[Noel]

I don't think anyone's saying that. I just, I just mean like, it seems like lately just no one will ever. It seems like no one ever admits they've made a mistake in government anymore or in these kinds of conflicts. And this is. There's something a little refreshing about the framework of this. At the very least, it does feel

[Matt]

like it goes against the mantra of, you know, never apologize. That kind of thing that we hear in power circles from gross people. Gross people say never apologize.

[Noel]

Yeah. Deny, deny, deny. And always claim victory.

[Ben]

And always claim it was somebody else's fault. Right. The narcissist prayer, which is unfortunately very easy to look up and see in action today. As we mentioned earlier, the US had an official conclusion that largely agreed with the inquiry of the Israeli government. The US stopped short of calling it an accident, but did not determine purpose or malevolence. It turns out even now there are a lot of problems with this story. Now folks, we talked backstage as we were recording and we have determined that this will be a two part series. So please do stay tuned as we get into the problems with that official narrative. The questions, the further investigations. I can't wait to Talk about Ward Boston can't wait to talk about survivors like Maurice Shaffer. We have so much more to get to. We cannot wait for you to join us and we want to hear from you. So in advance of second chapter on the USS Liberty, we'd love your thoughts. Please find us on the line. Call us on a phone. You can always send us an email.

[Noel]

You sure can. If you want to find us on the lines, do so by reaching out to the handles. Conspiracy stuff or conspiracy stuff show, depending on on which of those platforms is your thing?

[Matt]

Yes, and we have a phone number. It is 1-833-STD-W Y-T K. It's a voicemail system. You got three minutes. Give yourself a cool nickname and let us know if we can use your name and message on one of our listener mail episodes that show up on our audio feeds. Wherever you find those. In the meantime, Billy, before you come back for the second episode, see if you can find the intelligence memorandum, the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty put together by the CIA. It's at least you can find it on the CIA.gov website. Check that out. We'd love to hear. We'd love to hear your thoughts on that. In particular as we continue to explore this topic. If hey, we have an email. We are the entities that read each

[Ben]

piece of correspondence we receive. Be well aware, yet unafraid. Sometimes the void writes back, quid pro quo, Clarice. Send us a random fact. We will send you one in return. I'd like us to end chapter one of this series with an intelligence report we'll get into in chapter two. This is a reading from an Israeli pilot to the IDF war room. It goes, quote, but sir, it's an American ship. I can see the flag. The IDF War Room 2 to the Israeli pilot responds, never mind, hit it. We'll see you out here in the dark. [e-mail].

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