Behind the Scenes Minis: Graffiti Animals

Summary

Stuff You Missed in History Class

Behind the Scenes Minis: Graffiti Animals

iHeartPodcasts, August 29, 2025
Hosts: Holly Fry & Tracy V. Wilson

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Episode Overview

In this "Behind the Scenes Minis" episode, Holly and Tracy recap and reflect on their two main episodes of the week: one about the history of spray paint (and relatedly, graffiti and its cultural connotations), and one about the Dickin Medal—an award given to animals for bravery in wartime. Through a mix of personal anecdotes and social commentary, they discuss themes of art, community, animal welfare, and how perspectives on these subjects have changed over time. The tone is friendly, thoughtful, candid, and occasionally humorous.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Spray Paint, Graffiti, and Public Perception

[02:28–07:50]

• Personal Affinity for Artist Frank Millet

  • Holly relates to the restless, multi-talented life of Frank Millet, who invented an early paint sprayer. She suggests there may be a future deep dive into his life.

    “I do. I really sort of love Millet a little bit because I see things in him that I recognize of myself...just that kind of, I wanna work in a million different things.”
    — Holly Fry [02:36]

• Graffiti as Art vs. Vandalism

  • Holly and Tracy discuss divisive views around spray paint and graffiti art, referencing heated debates on the New York Times piece about graffiti’s legitimacy.

  • Holly strongly advocates for recognizing graffiti as art, even amid public backlash and generational prejudices.

    “There is a lot of amazing art in graffiti art. Not all graffiti is art, but graffiti art is a thing.”
    — Holly Fry [04:02]

  • Tracy emphasizes how race and youth culture influence reactions to graffiti, noting its connections to Black culture and how some responses are rooted in racism or associations with crime.

    “There are connections between graffiti and black culture also. Right. So there's a racism element.”
    — Tracy V. Wilson [04:27]

  • Holly notes that grassroots graffiti efforts are often intended to enliven a neighborhood, not degrade it.

    “In some cases, those are grassroots efforts to bring life and some sort of beauty to the neighborhood.”
    — Holly Fry [05:18]

• Personal & Community Anecdotes

  • Tracy describes seeing graffiti on derelict train cars in Boston, highlighting how such art can bring life to otherwise decrepit infrastructure.

    “Otherwise what would be there is just a deteriorating piece of train machinery. And now it's a deteriorating piece of train machinery with stuff painted on it.”
    — Tracy V. Wilson [06:25]

  • Holly reminisces about childhood rites of passage centered on tagging a local trestle, noting not all graffiti is artistic, but much of it is part of youth and community culture.

    “It was literally someone writing like, Ginny was here. ... it was part of like the, you know, youth culture of the area.”
    — Holly Fry [07:11]

• Spray Paint in Arts, Crafts, and Daily Life

  • Holly and Tracy discuss their extensive use of spray paint for crafts and home projects, marveling at the modern array of colors and effects.

    “Now there's like stuff that has, you know, chroma shift flakes in it that look different colors from different angles…”
    — Holly Fry [10:26]

  • Holly admits she loves painting old wooden furniture, despite some people’s strong aversion to covering up wood grain.

    “Paint right over it, baby. Make it pink, make it purple, whatever.”
    — Holly Fry [11:24]

  • A tangent on historical whitewashing techniques offers a connection to the earlier spray painting episode.

    “The before and after difference of whitewashed versus non whitewashed walls was incredible. ... with all the walls whitewashed, it's actually nice.”
    — Tracy V. Wilson [12:52]

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Reflections on the Dickin Medal and Animal Welfare

[17:50–24:44]

• Emotional Response to Animal Stories

  • Holly confesses being deeply moved by the Dickin Medal stories, even though Tracy tried to minimize tales of animal harm.

    “Yeah, I cried about the Dickin medal a lot.”
    — Holly Fry [17:54]

  • Both reflect on how tiredness, illness, or even post-surgery pain medication can provoke tears over animals or TV shows, with relatable and humorous anecdotes (e.g., crying over Bluey, My Little Pony).

    “I did nothing but sit on the couch watching Bluey and crying.”
    — Holly Fry [20:00]

• Evolution of Veterinary Medicine & Animal Rights

  • Tracy discusses how the People's Dispensary for Sick Animals (PDSA) shifted animal welfare focus in the UK from large working animals to companion animals, and how this was influenced by broader social changes (urbanization, animal rights advocacy).

    “And at this point a significant portion of like the animal welfare advocacy shifted toward providing veterinary care for animals.”
    — Tracy V. Wilson [23:11]

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Modern Animal Care & Personal Pet Stories

[27:50–32:28]

• Vet Emergencies & Changing Attitudes Toward Pet Care

  • Holly shares a recent, comically anticlimactic emergency vet trip with her cat (who was just gassy and anxious). Despite her Dad's disbelief at the expense, she highlights how “pets are family” now in a way that wasn’t always the cultural norm.

    “Why did you spend all that money?...it’s my little schmucky baby.”
    — Holly Fry [29:01]

• Access to Veterinary Services

  • Tracy notes an overlooked issue: many people keep exotic pets (like snakes), but lack access to vets who treat those species.

    “How many people have snakes as pets and also don’t live in a place where there is a veterinarian who treats snakes?”
    — Tracy V. Wilson [29:37]

  • The hosts encourage listeners to confirm vet availability before acquiring pets.

• Attitudes Toward Snakes

  • Tracy describes not being scared of snakes but acknowledges how easy it is to be startled—comparing it to being startled by her husband.

    “I mean, my husband startles me sometimes. Anything can startle you.”
    — Holly Fry [30:25]

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• “There is a lot of amazing art in graffiti art. Not all graffiti is art, but graffiti art is a thing.” — Holly Fry [04:02]
• “There are connections between graffiti and black culture also. Right. So there's a racism element.” — Tracy V. Wilson [04:27]
• “Honestly, the stuff painted on it might be holding it together in some cases.” — Holly Fry [06:37]
• “Paint right over it, baby. Make it pink, make it purple, whatever.” — Holly Fry [11:24]
• “I cried about the Dickin medal a lot.” — Holly Fry [17:54]
• “And at this point a significant portion of like the animal welfare advocacy shifted toward providing veterinary care for animals.” — Tracy V. Wilson [23:11]
• “Why did you spend all that money? ... it’s my little schmucky baby.” — Holly Fry [29:01]
• “How many people have snakes as pets and also don’t live in a place where there is a veterinarian who treats snakes?” — Tracy V. Wilson [29:37]

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Memorable Moments

• Holly’s nostalgia for spray painting odd items as a kid and her confession of “deep dislike” for wood grain—she loves to repaint old furniture, sparking debate among antique purists.
• Tracy’s relief at finding affirming graffiti in a bathroom after a tense stay in rural North Carolina, highlighting how graffiti can provide comfort and signals of inclusivity.
• The comic tale of Holly’s anxious, gassy cat and her willingness to spare no expense at the emergency vet, emblematic of modern “pet parent” culture.
• Both hosts’ candor about crying at animal stories, TV jingles, or simply from exhaustion, making the emotional thread of the animal episodes relatable and human.

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Useful Timestamps

• 02:28 – Spray paint & connection to artist Frank Millet
• 03:32–07:50 – Debates on graffiti as art, racism, generational divides
• 08:00 – Graffiti as community/comfort (Tracy’s bathroom story)
• 09:44–11:52 – Spray paint in crafts and home, love of color & repainting
• 12:51 – Whitewashing in castles, historical context
• 17:50 – Dickin Medal stories, emotional animal content
• 20:00 – Weeping at animal stories, TV, post-surgery
• 23:00 – Animal welfare shifts in the UK
• 27:50 – Emergency vet story with Holly’s cat
• 29:37 – Veterinary access for snake keepers, advice for pet owners

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Final Thoughts

The episode balances personal stories and historical context, providing insights into how cultural attitudes toward art, graffiti, and animals have evolved. Holly and Tracy’s warm, confessional tone makes listeners feel like part of a continuing, lively conversation.

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This summary is designed to capture all major discussion threads, highlight the most compelling quotes, and offer useful reference points for anyone who missed the episode.

Transcript

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[Tracy V. Wilson]

And I'm Tracy V. Wilson.

[Holly Fry]

We talked about spray paint this week.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yep.

[Holly Fry]

I have a story about my own Ding Dongery, as usual.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Okay, good.

[Holly Fry]

I initially wrote a note at the bottom of this to talk about where I was like, Millet's life sounds sorta Awful to me. I travel a lot, but he traveled a lot and seemed to never settle. Like. And I was telling my beloved about this and he was like, it honestly doesn't sound that different from your schedule. And I was like, shush. But anyway, I played myself on that one. And I do. I really sort of love Millet a little bit because I see things in him that I recognize of myself. I would never claim that I achieve anything near what he achieved, but just that kind of. I wanna work in a million different things. I want my hands in a bunch of different pies. Busy, busy bee thing. I get it. I don't know that I'm done with Frank Millet. There's a non zero chance we'll get a more in depth version of his life on the show in the future because I do find him really interesting. Now it's on to graffiti.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

There is an article that comes up a lot in the history of spray paint that was written in the New York Times like more than a decade ago. And just as we have, I think, referenced on the show. If you ever just want to be like, man, humans will fight about anything. Go to like the New York Times cooking page or any of their social sites and watch people argue about the recipes. The same thing happened on this article about the history of spray paint and the reference to graffiti art.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Okay.

[Holly Fry]

Because a lot of people wanted to grouse and say, you cannot put those two words together. To which I say, that is baloney. There is a lot of amazing art in graffiti art. Not all graffiti is art, but graffiti art is a thing. But it was just fascinating to watch people dig in. And some of it did boil down to, is it just cause the young people do it that you don't perceive it as art?

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Well, and there are connections between graffiti and black culture also. Right. So there's a racism element.

[Holly Fry]

Oh, a hundred percent.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

And like, I super get it. If you own a business and somebody is tagging your door or your window or whatever and you don't want them to be doing that, I understand that that would be a very frustrating experience. But there are graffiti art projects that are beautiful. And also like, I think there are people on the converse of that who will see graffiti and think that means they are unsafe. And those two things are unrelated.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah, I mean in some, I mean there's a whole thing to break open here. And I. Part of me is like, should we do an episode on the history of graffiti? And I don't know is the answer. But like, there are interesting discussions to have there, some of which are. You know, in the case of graffiti art, there are instances to speak to your point, that some people see it and feel like they're in an unsafe place or like it's a bad neighborhood. In some cases, those are grassroots efforts to bring life and some sort of beauty to the neighborhood.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

Like, obviously there are tags that are not meant to be beautiful, and that's fine. But there are a lot that are really, really cool.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah. One of the places that I see graffiti the most frequently is on commuter rail trains inbound to north station in Boston. And what I am seeing it painted on is like derelict rolling stock, like train equipment that is not serving a purpose anymore.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

And otherwise what would be there is just a deteriorating piece of train machinery. And now it's a deteriorating piece of train machinery with stuff painted on it.

[Holly Fry]

Honestly, the stuff painted on it might be holding it together in some cases.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah. I mean, sometimes paint will reinforce things a little bit in a way that will prevent rust from hitting a certain area. The other thing that all of this made me think about though, was sort of the. I don't know that it's irony, but that Frank Millet invented a paint sprayer. Was an artist never thought about its potential application for art. Like, if you could travel back in time and hand that man an airbrush, what would his brain do?

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Mm.

[Holly Fry]

What would he make? Something beautiful. Something beautiful. It also talking about all of this and looking at people arguing about graffiti art made me think of my youth. Of course, there was a trestle near where I grew up that like, it was a rite of passage for many people to go spray paint it. But those weren't often like, beautiful art. It was like, literally someone writing like, Ginny was here. It was not really, you know, and it would get painted over periodically. And sometimes people in the community would complain that it had gotten painted over. That it was part of like the, you know, youth culture of the area.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Uh huh.

[Holly Fry]

Listen, I graffitied some. Not very much. Not there incidentally, but somewhere else. I, of course, picked a weirder place.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah. Earlier this summer, we've talked about how I spent a couple of weeks away from my desk doing some family stuff, and I was staying in a very rural part of North Carolina. Just to give sort of an example of where, like there are two dollar generals between my parents house and where I was staying. Before you get to a grocery store that is not a Dollar general that's sort of like.

[Holly Fry]

Right.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Just to sort of set the stage of where we were And I will say I did not feel I could be myself in the environment where I was staying. Not at my parents house, my parents are great. But like out in public where I was staying and afterward leaving, I was flying out of Raleigh Durham and I met up with some Raleigh Durham area friends for brunch before heading out and seeing a bunch of like very affirming graffiti in the bathroom at this restaurant. I was like, I feel so relieved right now to be in a place where even the things that people are writing on the bathroom walls I feel more at home with.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw some similar graffiti when we were in Rome. The other thing that I just want to say in all of this is that I am grateful for all of these people that develop spray paint because I sure have used a lot of spray paint in my life.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Holly Fry]

I mean, I do so many, you know, artsy things and I have made some big honking weird cop that required spray paint. And I have spray painted a lot of things for my house. We have our little Star wars cantina downstairs. It has a lot of greeblies in it that have required spray painting at some point. I feel like I have had spray paint hand more times than I can count. Just when your hand makes the claw because it's been spraying so long. I love those little trigger nozzles.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

I was gonna say, do you ever get the little trigger, the trigger thing to help?

[Holly Fry]

I do, but then sometimes it just, you know, if you're doing it at scale, you're still going to get pain. It's just a different flavor.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

I also feel like sometimes the little trigger thing affects your control a little bit. And so depending on what exactly you're trying to do, it can make it easier to depress the thing but more difficult to control what you're aiming at.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah, sometimes some of them are pretty good. But then like you just get the like palm grip ache instead of the ouchy finger ache. Yeah, it's. It's very, it's all fascinating to me. And I like the idea that, you know, many, many minds had to come together to get us to the point where we could just run to the hardware store or the craft store. I mean, when I think about how amazing it was touted that there were 25 different colors and I'm like, now there's like stuff that has, you know, chroma shift flakes in it that look different colors from different angles and like.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

Every color of the rainbow and beyond. And I love it. I love it. Spray paint the world. It's the best. I'm also. I'm gonna. I'm gonna draw ire.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Okay.

[Holly Fry]

This is such a contentious issue. I deeply dislike wood grain.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Okay.

[Holly Fry]

So I wanna paint things that are wood. I know that many people get irate when they see, like, antique furniture that's been painted. Not me. Paint right over it, baby. Make it pink, make it purple, whatever. If it were a very finely finished piece, I wouldn't do that. But I also wouldn't buy that for myself. But I will go into an antique store or a thrift store and find a very old piece of wooden furniture and just paint it some pretty color black.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

This is not exactly the same thing, but it does connect to the episode when you were talking about whitewashing the basement. I did not really know until seeing one of those historical reality shows where people pretend to be back in time. And I think this was one that was about the building of a castle. And I did not refresh my memory about what the title of this was. But one of the things that they were talking about was, like, you would have the castle with these dark stone walls and sometimes not very big windows because you wanted it to be defensible, not have big open spaces that your siege. Your siege could have people besieging you, just shooting arrows through there. And one of the things they would do was whitewash the walls. I didn't really know that because most historical sites that I have been to that have had some kind of, like, castle element. The walls have not been whitewashed. It's just been very dark on the inside.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

And the before and after difference of whitewashed versus non whitewashed walls was incredible. I was like, I've always imagined that this space would have been dark and gloomy and foreboding, but with all the walls whitewashed, it's actually nice.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah. Yeah. And that also, you know, prevents things like mildew growth and bacterial yuck. And all of the things that would make people sick if they were hanging out in a castle fortress for a long period of time. So whitewashing used in a vernacular in a negative way, but the actual act.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Of had a purpose.

[Holly Fry]

Putting lime was valuable, Is still valuable, still gets done anyway. Spray paint, I sure love it. Makes me want to go make crafty things, but I don't have time yet.

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[Tracy V. Wilson]

We talked about the Dickin metal and some animals that were awarded it.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah, I cried about the Dickin medal a lot.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

I apologize, Holly.

[Holly Fry]

She thought it was safe.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah, well, often when I'm working on an episode, I have a good sense of. Of whether it's going to make you cry. And I. I misjudged this one because I intentionally leaned toward animals who. Some of them were posthumously awarded the medal, but it wasn't because they died while doing the thing that earned them the medal. And I kind of tried to keep the animal harm to a minimum. And so I had thought that made it reasonably safe territory. I was incorrect on this, so I apologize, Holly. And I apologize, Casey, our producer, who is the person to audio edit the episode.

[Holly Fry]

Well, I have to distract myself by thinking about Star wars so that I stop crying. Yeah, yeah. You know, we cry about all the animal things.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

It's. It makes sense sometimes. I will check with you ahead of time to see if you think something is going to make you cry. And sometimes I am right and sometimes I'm wrong. We all have different things that cause the waterworks to happen.

[Holly Fry]

I mean, I cry at everything. Anyway, I was just telling you I've been on a kind of grueling schedule as of late, and it's going to keep going for a little while, and that makes Me very weepy. Even when I'm not the least bit sad or emotional. Like I just have a physical response to being tired. That is crying.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah, yeah. If I am sick at all. Oh yeah. And it could be like sick and actual illness or sick. Just feeling kind of bad because, like, for example, if I have just gotten a vaccine and it's made me feel a little achy, I might just cry over everything I remember. I can't remember if I had like a mild cold. I had something, something that was causing me to feel a little unwell and I turned on My Little Pony Friendship is Magic.

[Holly Fry]

Oh, yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

And just started weeping over the theme song.

[Holly Fry]

It happens.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

I, I think I've told. I may have told you this story. After my little surprise gallbladder surgery last year, which went great. I came home and for the first two days I did nothing but sit on the couch watching Bluey and crying. And I was even like, what is going on? And then like that second day I had like a late lunch and after that I was like, oh, I'm fine. And it was like, literally like a window had opened and the sun had come out. And then I read that Dilaudid, which is a very heavy hitting pain management drug that they will give you in the hospital. One of the side effects is uncontrollable weeping. And it was like, oh, I guess it just left my system because I'm aces now.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Okay.

[Holly Fry]

Some of it initially was like that I felt like garbage. And it's that thing of like, is this my life now where I don't feel like myself? And I feel like I am incapacitated in terms of my vigor not being here and like not being able to engage with the. But that, that had, you know, passed pretty quickly. And then I still was like, why am I still crying? And it was like, oh, it's chem. It's literally chemical. Okay, cool.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah, cool. Cool. Yeah, Fascinating. One of the things that we talked about in this episode was the, the influence that the People's Dispensary for Sick Animals had on the world of veterinary medicine in the uk, which we have a whole episode on, like A Brief History of Veterinary Medicine. I can't remember if that's already been a Saturday classic or not. Off the top of my head, I don't remember either. Yeah, we talked about some, about like the, the shift in focus from large farm animals, especially horses, but also cattle and sheep, to more of a focus on companion animals. And there's a lot that went into that. Some of it had to do with how many people were living in rural areas and had a cow or a horse or whatever and how many more people were living in urban areas and instead have pets. It was connected to how people thought about animals like dogs and cats and pets. It was also related to the people's dispensary for sick animals, establishing this idea that yes, these, all these animals also deserve care, including veterinary care. One thing that we didn't really get into that was discussed in a couple of the things that I read for this episode was that at this point there was a shift in some of the what goes under the umbrella of animal rights advocacy and how prior to this, a lot of people, a lot of whom were women who were advocating for animal welfare, a lot of them were advocating for like anti cruelty laws to, you know, outlaw people who used working horses in their, in their daily worlds to, to, you know, not allow cruelty to toward those horses and to not allow cruelty to smaller animals either.

[Holly Fry]

Right.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

And at this point a significant portion of like the animal welfare advocacy shifted toward providing veterinary care for animals. And that just sort of being a shift in the mindset of what animal welfare and animal rights advocacy meant.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah. And now we'll go to the emergency vet and stay up all night with our creatures.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Curly]

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[Holly Fry]

Listen to your elders, honey. You might know them from their viral videos. But now the old gays pull back the curtain on their brand new podcast Silver Linings with the old gays brought to you in partnership with iHeart's Ruby Studio and Veeve Healthcare. With over 300 years of experience between them, hosts Robert, Mick, Bill and Jesse serve four lifetimes of wisdom when it comes to love, sex, community, and whatever else they've got on the gay agenda. Listen in to these facts. Fabulous friends swap stories exploring how queer life has evolved over the decades and the silver linings they've collected along the way. Each episode dives into hot topics, from safe sex and online dating to untangling Gen Z lingo, as well as insights on how music, art and fashion show up in queer culture. So check out Silver Linings, a show about how pride ages like fine wine. Available on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Danielle Fishel]

Hello, it's Danielle Fishel, Ryder Strong and.

[Will Friedle]

Will Friedle from Pod Meets World. And we're bringing you Viva Las Content.

[Danielle Fishel]

That's right, we are back in Las Vegas, the city of sin and giving the people what they want. A full week of Y2K content.

[Will Friedle]

Wait, we're back in Vegas? Tell me why.

[Danielle Fishel]

Well, for the Backstreet Boy residency at Sphere, of course, we sat down with.

[Will Friedle]

Kevin Richardson and AJ McLean just minutes before they took the stage. And our very own Will Friedle basically became the newest member of the band. Boy band, please.

[Danielle Fishel]

Plus, the man who has the longest running comedy show on the strip joins us and gets his props. It's Carrot Top, baby.

[Will Friedle]

And finally, we all L o v e her. Ashley Simpson Ross joins us at the talk about her upcoming sold out Vegas residency.

[Danielle Fishel]

It's a full week of nostalgic interviews you don't want to miss.

[Will Friedle]

Listen to Pod Meets world on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Manny]

Imagine that you're on an airplane and all of a sudden you hear this.

[Holly Fry]

Attention passengers. The pilot is having an emergency and we need someone, anyone, to land this plane.

[Manny]

Think you could do it? It turns out that nearly 50% of men think that they could land the plane with the help of air traffic control. And they're saying like, okay, pull this. Until this. Pull that.

[Holly Fry]

Turn this.

[Manny]

It's just, I can do my eyes closed. I'm Manny.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

I'm Noah. This is Devin.

[Manny]

And on our new show, no Such Thing, we get to the bottom of questions like these. Join us as we talk to the leading expert on overconfidence.

[Holly Fry]

Those who lack expertise, lack the expertise they need to recognize that they lack expertise.

[Manny]

And then as we try the whole thing out for real. Wait, what? Oh, that's the Runway. I'm looking at this thing.

[Honey German]

See?

[Manny]

Listen to no such thing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Holly Fry]

My last trip to the emergency vet was very comp. It was scary in the moment and then hilarious because, as I've said, we adopted several new cats this year, one of whom is very hard bonded to me. And there was one night where she was just, like, breathing really rapidly, and it scared me, and I. Oh.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

I.

[Holly Fry]

Wasn'T sure what was going on. I sent a video to the telehealth thing that I have through my veterinarian's office, and the vet that I spoke with was like, oh, this does look troubling. You should take her to the emergency vet. And we went. And I hadn't. You know, I had had her, like, two months at that point, so I didn't know all of her personality quirks. And I. We went to the emergency vet. We ran a million kajillion tests. We did X rays. We did all the things. And it really came down to the fact that she had kind of. She had really bad gas and gave herself a panic attack, essentially because she was uncomfortable.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Oh.

[Holly Fry]

She'S a chip off the old block. But, yeah, she's a hoot, that cat. I love her. I love her. I love her. And I mean, I'm sure, Right. This is the kind of story that I tell someone like my dad, and he's like, that is ridiculous.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Right.

[Holly Fry]

Why. Why did you spend all that money? Why did you. And it's because it's my. My little schmucky baby. Not to anthropomorphize animals. I don't need her to be a baby. I need her to be a cat, which I love. Yeah, it's very funny. So this idea of the progression of veterinary care being not initially part of having a pet to where we are now just tickles me.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah. Yeah. I have become sort of more aware of how many people keep snakes as pets. Of course, I have known people have snakes as pets.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

But how many people have snakes as pets and also don't live in a place where there is a veterinarian who treats snakes?

[Holly Fry]

Oh, yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

And so not having access to any kind of, like, emergency or urgent care for their snake when something is clearly wrong. And I see stories about this, and it stresses me out a little bit. And I have to remember, I don't. I don't have to read this. This person's forum post about what's. I don't have to I don't have to read that.

[Holly Fry]

Are you into snakes or are you scared of snakes or indifferent to snakes?

[Tracy V. Wilson]

I find snakes interesting. I have never been really scared of that. I have for sure had experiences where like, a snake startled me.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah. I mean, my husband startles me sometimes. Anything can startle you.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

So when I was a kid, you know, being in the. This would been like late 80s, early 90s, and we had this idea of the latchkey kids who were coming home and letting themselves in.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

I had a key to the basement door of the house. And there was some logic for why I was entering the house after school through the basement and not through the front door. And I don't remember what that rationale was, but I was making my way around the side of the house and there was a flower bed back there that had stopped to be being actively maintained as a flower bed and only had a couple of things in it and was otherwise just bare dirt. And there was a little like a garter snake or a black rat snake, like some non venomous, totally normal to have around snake. But I saw it out of the corner of my eye and it startled me enough that I leapt backwards like I was in a cartoon. So anyway, I. I am not afraid of them. I do find them interesting. I do also find some of them unnerving enough that I like looking at them to just sort of, you know, keep myself acclimated to the fact that snakes are cool and they're good to have around. But I. I get a little stressed out sometimes at the number of people whose post about their snake is like, my snake is sick and there's no vet to take it to.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah, that would suck.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah. Which is just a thing to keep in mind if you are bringing an animal into your life.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Is veterinary care accessible?

[Holly Fry]

Yeah, that's a biggie.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah. A lot of people focus on, like, being able to afford veterinary care, especially when it comes to things that are like, expensive veterinary procedures. But there's also just like, is there a vet.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

That you could take it to? Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

Both of these are important factors. Yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

I enjoyed working on this episode. I had just as, like I said in the introduction to it, just the longer I worked on Buck versus Belle, the angrier I was. And then I was like, we're gonna do some cute animal stories and yes, there's animal peril, but also. And we're going to talk about some good dogs and cats and pigeons and. And a horse. If you want to learn more about pigeons, Rosemary Moscow has the guide to pigeon watching that. We mentioned a number of other books, so lots of stuff from her if you're interested. Whatever's happening on your weekend, I hope it goes great. If you have some animals in your life, I hope you're able to love on those animals. If they like to be loved on, if they liked to be observed from afar. Have fun observing observing your animals from afar. We will be back with something brand new on Monday, but before that we will have a Saturday classic tomorrow. Stuff youf Missed in History Class is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

[Mandy Money]

Do we really need another podcast with a condescending finance bro trying to tell us how to spend our own money? No, thank you. Instead, check out Brown Ambition. Each week I your host, Mandy Money gives you real talk, real advice with a heavy dose of I feel useless. Like on Fridays when I take your questions for the baqa. Whether you're trying to invest for your future, navigate a toxic workplace. I got you. Listen to Brown ambition on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast.

[Curly]

The Super Secret Bestie Club Podcast.

[Holly Fry]

Season four is here and we're locked in.

[Danielle Fishel]

That means more Juicy Cheeseman, terrible love.

[Holly Fry]

Advice, evil spells to catch rest on your ex.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

No, no, we're not doing that this season.

[Curly]

Oh, well, this season we're leveling up.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Each episode will feature a special bestie and you're not gonna wanna miss it.

[Holly Fry]

My name is Curly.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

And I'm Maya.

[Holly Fry]

Get in here.

[Curly]

Listen to the Super Secret Bestie Club on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or.

[Holly Fry]

Wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jenica Lopez]

Hi, I'm Jenica Lopez. And in the new season of the Over Comfort podcast, I'm even more honest, more vulnerable, and more real than ever. Am I ready to enter this new part of my life? Like, am I ready to be in a relationship? Am I ready to have kids and to really just devote myself and my time? Join me for conversations about healing and growth, all from one of my favorite spaces, the kitchen. Listen to the new season of the Overcomer podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Honey German]

Hi, it's Honey German and I'm back with season two of my podcast. Gracias. Come again. We got you. When it comes to the latest in music and entertainment, with interviews with some of your favor Latin artists and celebrities. You didn't have to audition.

[Holly Fry]

No, I didn't audition. I haven't auditioned in, like, over 25 years.

[Honey German]

Oh, wow. That's a real G talk right there.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Oh, yeah.

[Honey German]

We'll talk about all that's viral and trending with a little bit of Cheeseman and a whole lot of laughs. And, of course, the great beas you've come to expect. Listen to the new season of Dashes. Come again on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

This is an I heart podcast.