Behind the Scenes Minis: Hydroponies and Horse Flipping

Summary

Stuff You Missed in History Class

Episode: Behind the Scenes Minis: Hydroponies and Horse Flipping
Release Date: February 21, 2025
Hosts: Holly Fry & Tracy V. Wilson
Production: iHeartRadio

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Introduction

In the Behind the Scenes Minis: Hydroponies and Horse Flipping episode of Stuff You Missed in History Class, hosts Holly Fry and Tracy V. Wilson delve into the fascinating worlds of hydroponics and the intriguing historical phenomenon of horse flipping. This episode seamlessly blends personal anecdotes with historical insights, offering listeners a comprehensive understanding of both topics.

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Hydroponics: Overcoming Indoor Planting Challenges

[02:30]
Holly and Tracy begin their discussion by exploring the challenges of maintaining indoor plants, especially in households with curious cats. Tracy shares her personal struggles with cats disturbing soil in plant setups:

Tracy V. Wilson: "They liked to dig the dirt out with their paws... I was just constantly finding that the dirt had been put on the floor."

To combat this, Tracy experimented with alternative plant arrangements, such as using a densely packed bookshelf by the window to limit cat access. Holly, on the other hand, has successfully implemented a hydroponic garden in their cantina, aptly themed around Star Wars to provide fresh garnishes for cocktails.

Holly Fry: "My hydroponic garden is in our cantina, where the cats don't generally go. It is Star Wars themed because the idea is that we will have fresh garnish for our cocktails at all times."

Mental Health Benefits
Holly emphasizes the mental health benefits of maintaining a hydroponic garden, noting it as a daily ritual that brings her joy and relaxation.

Holly Fry: "It's very good for my mental health. I'm telling you. My therapist has signed off."

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The Curious Case of "Hydroponies" and OCR Errors

[10:21]
The hosts recount a humorous discovery during their research: the repeated misinterpretation of "hydroponics" as "hydroponies" due to Optical Character Recognition (OCR) errors in scanned texts.

Holly Fry: "This is where I found what might be my new favorite word. Hydroponies."

Tracy shares a related anecdote from her college days, where an OCR error changed "postmodern" to "modem," leading to amusing confusion about a poet's classification.

Tracy V. Wilson: "Her abstract said that this poet was a modem poet."

These stories highlight the quirky challenges faced during historical research and the unintended humor that can arise from technological limitations.

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Horse Flipping and the Great Epizootic of 1872

[19:26]
Transitioning to the episode's second core topic, Holly and Tracy delve into the Great Epizootic of 1872—a significant horse influenza outbreak. They explore the phenomenon of "horse flipping," where individuals speculated on critically ill horses, purchasing them cheaply with the hope of profiting once they recovered.

Tracy V. Wilson: "There were rumors of kind of a horse speculation that was going on where people would buy critically ill horses for very low amounts of money, hoping to sell them if and when they recovered."

Economic and Social Impacts
The discussion touches on the economic desperation that might have driven such practices, especially among those struggling to maintain their livelihoods without daily incomes reliant on horse-drawn transportation.

Holly Fry: "People that were really struggling to survive without their day-to-day income... would swoop in and buy your horse."

Conspiracy Theories
A particularly intriguing segment involves Joseph Walkup, editor of the Placer Herald, who propagated a conspiracy theory linking the epizootic to stolen indigenous horses taken to Canada—a narrative more about his political disagreements than factual evidence.

Tracy V. Wilson: "He was not a fan of Grant, Ulysses Grant, or of General Philip Sheridan, and kind of cooked up this whole story..."

This segment underscores how societal tensions and personal biases can influence public perception during crises.

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Personal Anecdotes: Horses and Childhood Memories

[24:31] - [33:09]
The hosts segue into personal reflections on horses. Holly admits she never fully embraced being a "horse girl," citing early fears of their unpredictability despite admiring their beauty.

Holly Fry: "They could, if startled, become essentially a different animal than you have known... I don't trust you for a second."

Conversely, Tracy shares fond childhood memories of horses, reflecting a deep-seated desire to own one despite understanding the associated responsibilities and expenses.

Tracy V. Wilson: "I really wanted a horse. Had no concept of how expensive a horse was."

These narratives provide a heartfelt dimension to the historical discussion, illustrating how personal experiences intersect with broader societal themes.

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Concluding Thoughts

In wrapping up the episode, Holly and Tracy emphasize the complexities of historical events and personal endeavors, encouraging listeners to appreciate both the struggles and innovations that shape our understanding of the past.

Tracy V. Wilson: "Usually our positions are reversed in like, who is having the most sympathetic read on a thing."

Holly Fry: "There are places where I have grace and others where I do not."

The episode concludes with a blend of humor and sincerity, reminding listeners of the enduring relevance of history in our daily lives.

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Notable Quotes

• Tracy V. Wilson [02:31]: "They didn't use the bathroom in there, which would have been worse."
• Holly Fry [04:05]: "My hydroponic garden is in our cantina... Fresh mint is where it's at."
• Holly Fry [10:21]: "Hydroponies... the merits of hydroponies."
• Tracy V. Wilson [19:26]: "A couple of things didn't make it into the episode because I couldn't figure out a great place to put them."
• Holly Fry [24:43]: "I think they're beautiful, but I don't trust you for a second."

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Conclusion

Behind the Scenes Minis: Hydroponies and Horse Flipping offers an engaging exploration of both innovative agricultural practices and historical economic phenomena. Through a blend of research, personal anecdotes, and candid conversations, Holly Fry and Tracy V. Wilson provide listeners with a nuanced understanding of how these seemingly disparate topics are interconnected through themes of survival, adaptation, and human behavior.

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Transcript

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[Holly Fry]

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[Tracy V. Wilson]

And I'm Tracy V. Wilson.

[Holly Fry]

We talked about hydroponics. This week we did one of my current obsessions, which is I'm in a dangerous place with the Plant situation.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

I don't know what's gonna happen here in this house.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

I was at a friend's house over the weekend, and it was not a hydroponic setup, but it was a bookshelf by the window that had a lot of plants on it. And we currently don't have a lot of indoor plants in our house because, uh, when we tried that, the cats liked to dig the dirt out with their paws.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

They didn't use the bathroom in there, which would have been worse. But, like, they. Like, there was. I was just constantly finding that the dirt had been put on the floor. And so I have thought of various strategies to try to do something else. Some other plant setup that I haven't really worked out. But this. This shelf was so packed with plants that there would not really be a lot of room for a cat to get on there. And I was like, what if. What if I did that? Would that work?

[Holly Fry]

Maybe.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Possibly.

[Holly Fry]

Your girls are also gonna hit that age right there. 6.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

They were born in 2019, so almost.

[Holly Fry]

Turned 6 this year. Most cats. This is my experiential evidence, having had many cats in the ages of 6 to 7, and then again at 12 to 13, they have a little, like, gear shift in terms of their behavior and energy, where they just chill out a little bit. So maybe they'll also be like, meh, it's fine. I don't care now.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Don't care about it.

[Holly Fry]

Ours are. My hydroponic garden is in our cantina, where the cats don't generally go. Um, it is Star wars themed because the idea is that we will have fresh garnish for our cocktails at all times.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Right, right. You told me that. And I was like, what a great idea.

[Holly Fry]

Oh, it's so good. Fresh mint is where it's at. You gotta be careful with mint. Cause it will take over. But we're also growing lettuce and peppers and other things. But, yeah, I'm obsessed with it. The first thing I do every morning is I look at the camera when I wake up to see the plants downstairs. And then when I drag my badonk out of bed, I make coffee and I go sit with the plants downstairs.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

But we also.

[Holly Fry]

There's an offshoot of this, which is that I always like plants. And I have gone through various periods where I'm like, I'm in a garden, and I have mixed results, usually because I end up moving things outside when it gets nice. And because it's Georgia and our yard gets a lot of sun during the day. Some plants that, even though they say full sun, cannot hack it, can't do it. And they either perish or I try to move them inside, and they become confused, and they, like, shut down. But this time, I'm like, you know what? We'll put some stuff outside, but I'm going to focus on developing a whole indoor growing setup. So in addition to the hydroponic garden in our gym, which we're now calling the jungle gym because it, too, has many, many plants in it, I have a lot of grow lights and a lot of setup. And I knew it was a lot when my dear friend who watches our cats when we travel and is also like a sibling to me and is also a very accomplished gardener, she had come over to meet our new kitties, and I was like, oh, I should show you our garden set up in the gym so that, you know, next time you have to watch the ca. That I might need some watering help. And I opened the door, and she went, oh, my God. And I was like, well. Well, it's good for me, but also, I just. I love it. I don't. It's. It's very good for my mental health. I'm telling you. My therapist has signed off. I feel like I could probably deduct the plant costs. I won't. That's fine. I said to you before we started that I can't decide if Garricky was a pill or not.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

I mean, it seems like I want to. I want to not be judgmental. And I really, honestly do see a way where the real problems were just that sometimes people do not agree. And when it's a science like that that is just getting its footing in terms of public recognition, everybody has a different take, and they may very well feel affronted by the takes of others. And I want to think it's just that. And they maybe just didn't handle it in the most awesome way. But then some of the things he writes, I'm like, you know, other people did this. Right. Do you not know about the Aztecs? Like, I don't. I also wanted to mention, because I'm sure some listeners were like, question China.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Sure.

[Holly Fry]

Because. Right. Like, we always see images of, like, rice paddies that are placed flooded with water, and that's how they're growing rice and whatnot. I'm sure it exists out there, but perhaps not in English language. Could not really find any good scientific information about any of that.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

Like, I found some theoretical that. Oh, like, one sounded very much like a mother goose Story where it was like, and then the field flooded and they realized that the rice grew better.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

And I'm like, but, oh, sure.

[Holly Fry]

How do you. How do you know that maybe that is what happened? I don't know. But there was no, like, clear thing. And then even the, the, the scientific articles that I was able to find about hydroponics in China focused on developments in the 1970s and later about how they're using those to grow rice. And I'm like, this doesn't really help what I'm trying to do here. So if you feel like China was left out, I promise you, I did not want to. But I also didn't feel like we could say anything.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

That had any merit.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

I also felt like folks should just take for granted that when we're talking about hydroponics, we are talking about growing. Growing plants without the benefit of the soil when they don't typically grow that way. Right, right. Because there are plants that grow on the water.

[Holly Fry]

Right.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

And maybe they have long roots that get down to the soil at some point, but, like, they're mostly on the. Like, that's just. That's not. We were talking about plants.

[Holly Fry]

We did talk about ever so briefly in that Francis Bacon quote.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Right. But we were talking about plants that. That's not typically how they grow.

[Holly Fry]

Right. Francis Bacon's writings on the natural world are spectacular. Wrong. Very funny. I don't mean to laugh at the man, but they didn't have stuff figured out yet.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah, well. And why did I say we still don't. I say in 400 years. Right. We're still reading stuff that our scientists were incredibly confident about, that we're not, in fact, all the way there.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah. Just. But also, I. I love that I don't have it open in front of me, but the way everything is phrased, it is like, exactly what we're always told. Especially, you know, when we've worked in more journalistic efforts that you should not do, which is like. And some say, like, that's how everything in his list of natural things starts, which just cracks me up. I will also tell you about the very best. The very best incorrect and beautiful transfer from a book that has been scanned in on Internet archive to.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Oh, I love it. Okay.

[Holly Fry]

When you click the thing that says full text and it just takes you to a plain text version of it.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

And often, you know, there's machine reading going on, so often they don't get the words right. But this is where I found what might be my new favorite word. Hydroponies. And I was like, this is a spinoff cartoon of My Little Pony. The hydroponies that all have a garden. I don't know what's going on, but it happened repeatedly in one of the books. And I was cackling every time. It would be like, the merits of hydroponies.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

And I'd be like, so funny.

[Holly Fry]

Hydroponies.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

When I was in college, I went to the National Conference on Undergraduate Research and the university that was hosting it, people had sent in their abstracts for their papers that they were gonna deliver at this conference and they had been run through some kind of like OCR situation to turn the physical pieces of paper that we sent in with our ancestors, our transcripts or transcripts, we send them with our applications to transfer that into a book full of all of the abstracts. And this one person in one of the literature, she went to a different school and she was talking about how at the very last minute, an advisor on her paper had said, well, so and so wasn't a modern poet though, he was a postmodern poet. And she got very freaked out because in my memory, this was a woman. I could be making it up wrong, but she got very freaked out. She was like, oh, no. When I sent in my abstract, did I say that this was a modern poet or did I say a postmodern poet? And because of the OCR process that had not gone flawlessly, her abstract said that this poet was a modem poet.

[Holly Fry]

Oh, of course, neither one.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

I super love finding the wild, you know, recognition errors in those kinds of things. Me too.

[Holly Fry]

When doing research for the show, Hydroponies delighted me thoroughly. There was also to go back to Garricky, a very funny, brief sort of description of him in a Time magazine write up. And I don't know what they were getting at. So I will read it to you and you tell me what you think. It reads. Quote, when news hawks ask him whether he expects to make a lot of money out of hydroponics, he just smiles, shows two gold teeth. The look on your face is so good. I don't know if they're saying, yes, he's flashy and he thinks he's going to make a bunch of money. Or if they're like, he's just a dude with dental stuff going on. I don't know what they're saying, but I'm grateful for the work because I'm enjoying my.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

You're enjoying your hydroponic garden?

[Holly Fry]

I am. I have, like, many things. I have, you know, several dozen things growing. It's all Very exciting. It's very exciting. I. I will laugh and tell you this story, which is that I would say a solid 50 to 60% of the time when I tell someone that I have a hydroponic garden in my cantina, they immediately think I am growing drugs, right? And I'm like, hello, it's romaine. I'm sorry, it's not very exciting. I'm two square.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah. More than 20 years ago, I knew somebody who had a hydroponic setup in the basement in a wardrobe fully contained, Right. But even with the wardrobe doors closed, there was like a purple glow that would came. That would come out through the cracks and was getting ready to sell his house and trying to figure out what to do because that setup was fully not legal in any way in North Carolina 20, however many years ago. And trying to think of a story to explain the strange wardrobe in the basement with a purple glow.

[Holly Fry]

I really, really love bell peppers. All year round. I'm like, tiberius, I need my fruits and vegetables every day.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah. I'm very boring. The wildest thing I'm growing, which is not in the hydroponic garden, is a plant that is colloquially called a buzz button. This is also for cocktail purposes. It makes a little flower that it has a natural numbing. And it's gotten very, very popular in cocktails in the last few years where, like, sometimes some places will put, like a whole flower in a drink as a garnish. But also if you go to Galaxy's Edge and you've ordered a drink that has that foam on top, that's what it is. That's what's causing it a fuzzy tauntaun. It just numbs your mouth a little bit while you drink. So that's the wildest thing I'm growing. The rest is like, ooh, purple cauliflower. Very wild.

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[Tracy V. Wilson]

This week we talked about the great epizootic of 1872 by listener request.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

A couple of things didn't make it into the episode because I couldn't figure out a great place to put them. What was that there? I don't know if this actually happened, but there was definitely rumors of kind of a horse speculation that was going on where people would buy critically ill horses for very low amounts of money, hoping to sell them if and when they recovered from the horse flu.

[Holly Fry]

My gosh. Horse flipping.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

That's wild. It's wild.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

It seems like, I don't know, I can imagine this really happening. But also once this was well underway, like word had really spread that this was a thing that most horses recovered from if they were allowed to rest and taken care of while they were sick. So it seems like the only people that would have been still working their horses really hard and then selling them off for cheap would have been horrible people, in my opinion.

[Holly Fry]

Right.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Horrible people would do that.

[Holly Fry]

Well, here's what I see as a possibility.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Okay.

[Holly Fry]

People that were really struggling to survive without their day to day income. Sure. And some person swooped in and was like. And knew that the horse would probably recover and was like, I'll buy your horse.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

And so it looked probably like a decent thing to be like, I'll get X amount of money today to feed my family.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

But then like they would be kind of left in the lurch down the road. I could see that person who maybe wasn't able to let their horse rest or pay for treatment, selling their horse.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

You're being more sympathetic than me in this. In this particular. I am.

[Holly Fry]

Because people in desperate moments will make maybe not the best long term decisions to survive.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah, sure. I understand that. Usually I feel like not maybe not usually. I think sometimes our positions are reversed in like, who is is having the most sympathetic read on a thing.

[Holly Fry]

Well, it depends greatly on the thing.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

There are places where I have grace and others where I do not.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Another thing that felt like a whole kind of big digression. So I originally had it in the outline and then I took it out. Was like, it became pretty clear among people who knew what they were talking about, that this was a contagion that was being spread. There were, of course, still people who thought that there was something else going on. But there was also an almost conspiracy theory put forth by this guy named Joseph Walkup, who was the editor of the Placer Herald, which was a. I don't remember what state the Placer Herald was in, but this was, like, in the mining country of the West. And he was not a fan of Grant, Ulysses Grant, or of General Philip Sheridan, and kind of cooked up this whole story claiming that after the Marius massacre, which was three years before this, the army had stolen all of the indigenous people's horses and taken them to Canada, and that that was what had introduced this disease to Canada in the first place. Which is just like this was way more about his disagreement with Grant and Grant's policies and Sheridan than anything actually about indigenous people or their horses. But it was kind of weird to see this conspiracy theory cooked up out of whole cloth in relation to this influenza outbreak among the horses. It is the second time in pretty recent memory that that massacre has come up on the show. And I had said previously that it could be a whole episode of its own. So maybe that's a sign that it should be one in the nearish future. We'll see.

[Holly Fry]

Maybe. Maybe we.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

When I first got the listener request for this topic, I just thought that it was something that had been a lot more lethal to horses than it had been. I did not realize that, as, you know, if horses were allowed to rest and care for that, most of them did recover. But the number of horses that died was still a major thing. Like, that was still a major thing. And then the disruption while the horses were sick, also a really major thing. So I don't know for sure that that bird flu is what prompted the episode request, but it does seem like it could have been.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah. Oh, for sure.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Reasonable. Reasonable information. Information. A reasonable inspiration. I could have responded and asked, but I did not get that done. Before we came in here to record.

[Holly Fry]

This, I have been thinking as we've been discussing this, that I was never a horse girl.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

I never went through the horse phase. And I know why.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Okay.

[Holly Fry]

Which is that, like, I think they're beautiful and I really like them as animals. But I remember reading when I was very young, probably 8 or 9, that horses are always, like, a second away from madness, that whole thing that, like, they have an unpredictability that, like, they could, if startled, become essentially a different animal than you have known. And I Think that rooted in my brain so hard that I'm like, I think you're beautiful, but I don't trust you for a second. Which. Which I'm sure horse people listening to this are like, holly. Yeah. But it's just this. It's the size combined with the possibility of unpredictable behavior that made me scared as a kid.

[Os Velozian]

Yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah. So I grew up kind of out in the country like I've talked about. We grew all our own vegetables. My neighbor had cows. My neighbor also had a pasture that he rented out for people to keep their horses in. And so whenever there were horses being kept in this pasture, we would walk down there with my mom and look at the horses. And I love to look at the horses. And I knew people through school or church who rode horses and took horseback riding lessons and in one case had a horse of her own. I guess two cases. There was like, one person who lived on a farm, they had horses. One person who was in the higher economic echelon of where I grew up and had a horse in a fancy way.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

And like, I really wanted a horse. Had no concept of how expensive a horse was. And in my head, I was like, but the neighbor has this pasture. The horse could live there. And it's like, that has.

[Holly Fry]

That would be so easy.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

It be so easy. That does not take into account anything involved with the. I'm to stress this. I was a child. Again, does not involve anything involving all of the expensive horses. What I did have, though, was a lot of My Little Ponies.

[Holly Fry]

Oh, yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

And I sure did love the My Little Ponies. And boy, have I been getting a lot of advertisements on the Internet about 40th anniversary, anniversary collections of the little ponies that I had as a child, which has just kind of been causing me some existential feelings about the age that I am and how long ago 40 years was when I was a child getting the little ponies.

[Holly Fry]

I am just enough older than you that my little ponies missed me by a year or two.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

But I do remember the commercials distinctly.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

I could still sing you, but I won't. The My Little Pony show stable commercial in its entirety. Yeah, I didn't want it. I just knew it. Yeah.

[Stephanie Beatriz]

The more better the merrier title of your podcast. All Your old Brooklyn Nine9 friends are appearing on your favorite podcast. More better. Don't miss Brooklyn Nine Nine stars and show hosts Stephanie Beatriz and Melissa Fumero as they welcome their friends and former castmates back to laugh about old times and swap some stories. This week, it's Gina Linetti herself, the talented Chelsea Peretti.

[Holly Fry]

Remember when we were in that scene where you guys were just supposed to hug and I was standing there? Yeah. I was like, can I also hug them?

[Stephanie Beatriz]

Then next week, the 99 nonsense continues as the More Better amigas sit down with Joe Latrulio, AKA Detective Charles Boyle. There'll be more laughs, more conversation, more stories from the set, and more More Better. Don't miss a minute.

[Melissa Fumero]

You felt safe enough to throw out a bad idea, right? I mean, that is the key because you're definitely not throwing out good ideas all the time. I mean, that's just not how it works.

[Stephanie Beatriz]

Listen to More Better with Stephanie and Melissa on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Maria Tremarki]

Welcome to the Criminalia Podcast. I'm Maria Tremarke.

[Holly Fry]

And I'm Holly Fry. Together we invite you into the dark and winding corridors of historical true crime.

[Maria Tremarki]

Each season we explore a new theme, everything from poisoners and pirates to art thieves and snake oil products and those who made and sold them.

[Holly Fry]

We uncover the stories and secrets of some of history's most compelling criminal figures, including a man who built a submarine as a getaway vehicle. Yep, that's a fact.

[Maria Tremarki]

We also look at what kinds of societal forces were at play at the time of the crime, from legal injustices to the ethics of body snatching, to see what, if anything, might look different through today's perspective.

[Holly Fry]

And be sure to tune in at the end of each episode as we indulge in custom made cocktails and mocktails inspired by the stories. There's one for every story we tell.

[Maria Tremarki]

Listen to criminalia on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Os Velozian]

Why does the Godfather of AI warn that the very thing he helped create was now has a 10 to 20% chance of leading to human extinction in the next three decades? And what did he learn from losing his wife to cancer about how to approach the future of AI I'm Os Velozian, host of Tech Stuff, and I'm so excited to share this memorable and intimate conversation with Nobel Laureate Geoffrey Hinton. Listen to Tech stuff on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dr. Laurie Santos]

I'm Dr. Laurie Santos and to welcome the new year, my podcast the Happiness Lab is releasing a series of happiness how to guides to help you in 2025. I'll distill the wisdom of world class experts into easy to digest actionable tips.

[Holly Fry]

It's about Never feeling good enough. I feel like I'm always failing.

[Dr. Laurie Santos]

You'll learn how to handle relationships, how to be inspiring, and how to find your purpose.

[Melissa Fumero]

We make it this big pie in the sky thing. And then of course, we're all frustrated because no one knows how to get there.

[Dr. Laurie Santos]

Struggling with tough emotions. We have a how to guide. Worried that you're not enough. We got you self obsessed and want to get over yourself. There's a guide for that too.

[Melissa Fumero]

The ability to approach somebody and make them experience desire for you in minutes or even hours is a rare and rather unnecessary skill. Historically speaking.

[Dr. Laurie Santos]

The Happiness Lab's how to season starts January 1st. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

There was one year where I got the show stable for Christmas. My brother got this skeletor castle thing from he man.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

And my brother, quote, accidentally found the Christmas presents.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

In quotation marks. Accidentally.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah, I know that accident. I had that same accident a few times.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah. He accidentally ran. We had a. In the basement that. We had a basement with a concrete floor. And we would ride the big wheel in circles around the middle of the basement and he, quote, accidentally ran into this little metal storage thing that was in the basement and it accidentally opened the door and he accidentally, accidentally saw what was inside, which was our Christmas presents.

[Holly Fry]

This is a perfectly normal accident. I don't even understand.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah. I was so livid about being told what was gonna be happening for Christmas.

[Holly Fry]

You were?

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah, I did. I. I wanted to be. I wanted to be surprised. Oh, yeah.

[Holly Fry]

Oh, yeah. No, that's not how we worked it at our house at all. No, no. We literally would steam open the ends of wrapped packages, slide the box out, investigate and notate, slide it back in and re tape it.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah. Things that were already wrapped and under the tree, we would kind of try to guess. But these were not wrapped yet. These were in hidden places. Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

They still would have been fine because that was where I could put in my tiny child planner all the ways I was going to play with it. That was like the way I engaged with pre gift time gift information. I'd be like, and then I'm gonna put the following seven ponies in the following order in the show stable. Like, that's how I would have done that.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

Cause I loved to know I did have an accident that was a legit accident once that I cannot take full responsibility for because as you know, I have been sewing since I was three. Yeah. And one of the things that my mom used to do. And I'm not sure why it landed there, because she had, like, sewing areas in the house, but she used to, when I was very small, kept like, a plastic bag of tiny scrap fabric and a plastic bag of yarn in her closet. And there had been times where she. I would be like, hey, do we have fabric this color I can use? And she'd be like, I don't know. Go check the scrap bag. And I would. And one time, without asking her first, I went and checked the scrap bag and I found the Raggedy Ann doll that she had made me for Christmas. And I didn't even clock it that it was for me for Christmas. I literally walked out of her room going, oh, my God, this is so cool. Who is it? What is this about? And she was just, like, horrified. And I was like, oh, no. I was just trying to find yarn and fabric.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

I don't.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah. And I did, but it was formed into a cool thing already.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Oh, wow.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah. But I had that accident a few other times. Accident with the air quotes?

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, that was much more cheerful than the general topic of the episode that inspired this conversation. Hey, whatever is coming up on your weekend, I hope it goes well. I know stuff is chaos for a lot of people right now, so I must say, just try to be kind to yourselves. I'm trying to be kind to myself, and sometimes it's easier than others, but try to be kind to yourselves, kind to other people. Let's be kind to my printer, which has chosen this moment to start cleaning itself. And I'm just going to continue recording over it rather than stopping like normal.

[Holly Fry]

That printer just has needed. Let it happen. That's its self care. It's fine.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yes. So we'll be back tomorrow with a Saturday classic and something brand new on Monday. Stuff youf Missed in History Class is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

[Maria Tremarki]

Welcome to the Criminalia podcast. I'm Maria Tremarke.

[Holly Fry]

And I'm Holly Fry. Together, we invite you into the dark and winding corridors of historical true crime.

[Maria Tremarki]

Each season, we explore a new theme. From poisoners to art thieves, we uncover.

[Holly Fry]

The secrets of history's most interesting figures, from legal injustices to body snatching.

[Maria Tremarki]

And tune in at the end of each episode as we indulge in cocktails and mocktails inspired by each story.

[Holly Fry]

Listen to criminalia on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your.

[Os Velozian]

Podcasts why did the Godfather of AI warn that the very thing he helped create now has a 10 to 20% chance of leading to human extinction in the next three decades? And what did he learn from losing his wife to cancer about how to approach the future of AI? I'm Osvar Loschin, host of Tech Stuff, and I'm so excited to share this memorable and intimate conversation with Nobel Laureate Geoffrey Hinton. Listen to Tech stuff on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Arturo Castro]

Hi, I'm Arturo Castro and I've been lucky enough to do stuff like Broad City and Narcos and Roadhouse. And now I'm starting a podcast because honestly guys, I don't feel the space is crowded enough. Get ready for Greatest Escapes, a new comedy podcast about the wildest true escape stories in history. Each week I'll be sitting down with some of the most hilarious actors and writers and comedians. People like Ed Helms, Diane Guerrero, and Joseph Gordon Levitt.

[Holly Fry]

I love storytelling and I love you, so I can't wait.

[Arturo Castro]

Listen and subscribe to Greatest escapes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Holly Fry]

I'm Mark Seale.

[Nathan King]

And I'm Nathan King.

[Holly Fry]

This is Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli. The five families did not want us to shoot that picture.

[Nathan King]

This podcast is based on my co host Mark Seal's best selling book of the same title. Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli features new and archival interviews with Francis Ford Coppola, Robert Evans, James Caan, Talia Shire, and many others.

[Holly Fry]

Yes, that was a real horse's head.

[Nathan King]

Listen and subscribe to Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.