Behind the Scenes Minis: Journalism Carols

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Podcast Summary: Stuff You Missed in History Class – Behind the Scenes Minis: Journalism Carols

Podcast: Stuff You Missed in History Class
Hosts: Holly Frey & Tracy V. Wilson
Date: December 26, 2025
Episode Description: Holly and Tracy reflect on behind-the-scenes insights from their recent episodes on Joseph Medill and William Sandys and their explorations into the history of journalism and Christmas carols. The conversation is rich with personal anecdotes, historical tidbits, and commentary on journalism, tradition, and holiday nostalgia.

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Main Theme

This "Behind the Scenes Minis" episode features Holly and Tracy discussing two topics from recent episodes: Joseph Medill, a significant but lesser-known figure in American journalism and politics, and William Sandys, whose work with Christmas carols reflects both the whimsy and the digressions of Victorian literature. The episode explores the lines between historical bias and informed perspective, the personal impact of journalism, and the enduring (and occasionally awkward) traditions surrounding Christmas caroling.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Joseph Medill: Journalism, Bias, and Political Power

• Medill’s Personality and Influence
  • Tracy describes Medill as “a pill,” calling him “bossy – not someone you could really reason with if he had made up his mind. But also super interesting and…one of those people we don’t really talk about in terms of people pulling the levers of power in the United States. But he sure did have a lot of influence.” (02:26)
  • Neither host had heard much about Medill before this research, reinforcing his surprising historical influence.
• Abe Lincoln Anecdote
  • Tracy shares a story: “When [Lincoln] came back to his office, he found Mr. Lincoln sitting, reading the paper with his feet up on the desk…they heard him yell, ‘Get your damn feet off my desk, Abe.’ …I just love somebody yelling that at Abraham Lincoln.” (03:01)
  • This story is told with some skepticism about its authenticity, noting only Medill’s account exists.
• Medill and the Douglas-Lincoln Debates
  • Medill was described as following the debates “like the Grateful Dead,” reporting on every development and using the Tribune as a key supporter of Lincoln. (04:10)
• Bias vs. Perspective
  • Discussion around Medill’s use of his paper to communicate with Lincoln:
    • “That’s the bias part. Right. I am helping you every way I can.” (05:17 – Tracy)
    • Both agree that while modern expectations for journalistic neutrality didn’t apply yet, Medill’s approach helped prompt the creation of such standards.
• Neutrality in Journalism
  • Holly and Tracy discuss today’s journalism and the struggle with “false equivalency.” Holly expresses: “I have various frustrations with the worlds of journalism and reporting…if the paper’s position is slavery is bad and should be abolished…reporting should point to that.” (06:00)
  • Tracy notes Medill’s editorials were calls to action rather than just for information: “Here’s the action you need to take.” (06:43)
• Medill’s Anti-Union Stance
  • Holly relates Medill’s shift to anti-union attitudes after becoming mayor to her own grandfather’s experience, moving from union worker to management and changing perspectives (07:14).
• Financial Transparency and Rebuilding Chicago
  • Tracy praises Medill’s detailed breakdowns during his mayoral tenure, noting: “It was like a spreadsheet being read aloud. So, yeah, problematic in a number of ways…but also incredibly powerful and quite smart, if he didn’t always use his smarts in the way we might have liked…” (11:23)

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William Sandys and the Wandering Christmas Carol Book

• The Epic Introduction
  • Holly recounts reading Sandys’ lengthy and digressive introduction: “A lot of this introduction is not actually about the subject [carols].” (16:43)
  • Tracy quips: “Perceptible, in point of fact,” referring to Sandys’ own admission the intro had grown too long (16:46).
• Marginal Notes and Time Travel
  • Holly found a margin note from a previous reader who marked the actually relevant section: "The things that I found useful and noteworthy…were also things that this past person with their pencil had written in the book." (17:38)
  • They humorously speculate about time travel, submitting proposals for usage of a hypothetical machine (17:59).
• Random Internet Fun
  • Holly is delighted by an acapella video debating the proper comma placement in “God Rest Ye Merry, Gentlemen,” which she finds “so funny.” (19:13)
  • Tracy fondly remembers earlier internet days filled with random joy versus today’s landscape. (20:31)

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Personal & Cultural Reflections on Carols

• Bob’s Burgers & Caroling
  • Tracy shares that the caroling topic reminds her of a Bob’s Burgers Christmas episode where a scary house owner ends up singing “Adeste Fideles” beautifully (23:30).
• Holiday Traditions and Church Memories
  • Holly reminisces about United Methodist Christmas traditions, including ever-changing preachers and diverse Christmas services: “There were lots of Christmas carols that were sung as part of church services during Advent.” (24:06)
  • Both recall occasional caroling outings, especially to places like nursing homes, even though neither did much residential caroling.
  • Holly shares an amusing theater story: a cast of “Scrooge” tried in vain to discreetly handle a stray bottle on stage, prompting their theater teacher’s frustration (26:16).
• Holiday Wishes
  • Holly closes with a heartfelt wish: “Whatever is going on with this season…whatever you are celebrating or not celebrating, I hope that it is just all going as well as possible…I know a lot of folks need a break, and so if you need a break, I hope you’re able to get one before the new year turns over. It will be a whole new year by the time our next behind the scenes comes out. So Happy New Year a little in advance to everyone.” (28:12)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Medill's Bullishness: “Joseph Medill is a pill. Because he was very bossy. Not someone you could really reason with if he had made up his mind.” – Tracy, (02:26)
• Lincoln and Medill’s Friendship: “Get your damn feet off my desk, Abe.” – Joseph Medill (allegedly), related by Tracy, (03:01)
• Journalism and Integrity: “I think he did have an informed perspective…that’s the bias part. Right. I am helping you every way I can.” – Tracy, (05:17)
• On ‘Both Sides’ Journalism Today: “I have various frustrations with…the worlds of journalism and reporting…if the paper’s position is slavery is bad and should be abolished, that like the reporting points to that.” – Holly, (06:00)
• Medill as a Spreadsheet: “When I say he line itemed that thing, he literally was like, this is how much it costs to run these four government offices…anyone that was a numbers nerd was probably losing their minds with glee during that speech because it was like a spreadsheet being read aloud.” – Tracy, (11:23)
• Victorian Digression: “A lot of this introduction is not actually about the subject.” – Holly, (16:43)
• Time Machine Bureaucracy: “The time machine that we one day build is going to be like the JWST or the Very Large Array, where we'll have to submit our proposals for usage just to get on the wait list to use it.” – Tracy, (17:59)
• Changing Holiday Traditions: “The types of services that would happen for Christmas could change a lot when there was a different preacher.” – Holly, (24:06)
• Holiday Well-Wishes: “It has been a rough year and I know a lot of folks need a break. And so if you need a break, I hope you're able to get one before the new year turns over.” – Holly, (28:55)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 02:22–06:30 — Joseph Medill’s personality, Lincoln story, and editorial approach
• 06:31–08:13 — Medill’s transition from union-friendly to management, reflections on unions
• 08:13–11:23 — Reconstruction after the Chicago fire, Kitty Medill’s philanthropic work, and Medill’s financial transparency as mayor
• 15:53–17:38 — William Sandys’ rambling carol book introduction, relevance of margin notes
• 19:13–20:31 — Humorous internet finds and nostalgia for a funnier internet age
• 23:19–24:06 — Pop culture associations with caroling (Bob’s Burgers) and church caroling traditions
• 24:06–26:38 — Christmas traditions in different Methodist churches; caroling stories
• 26:38–28:12 — Theater mishaps and the legacy of awkward high school performances
• 28:12–29:39 — End-of-year reflections, holiday wishes, and looking ahead to 2026

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Closing Tone & Takeaway

The episode is bright, witty, and nostalgic, blending playful banter with earnest reflections on history, journalism, and holiday traditions. Tracy and Holly’s approachable style, candid opinions, and personal stories make the history feel immediate and relevant.

For listeners who missed the episode:
You'll walk away with a new appreciation for Joseph Medill's impact and complexity, a smile at the quirks of Victorian Christmas literature, and a shared sense of holiday reflection and hope—wrapped up with a wink and a wish for a better year ahead.

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Transcript

[Holly Fry]

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[Holly Fry]

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[Tracy V. Wilson]

Welcome to Stuff youf Missed in History Class, a production of iHeartradio. Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Holly Fry.

[Holly Fry]

And I'm Tracy V. Wilson.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

We talked about Joseph Medill this week.

[Holly Fry]

We did.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Throughout my research, I just kept muttering to myself, joseph Medill is a pill. Because he was very bossy. Not someone you could really reason with if he had made up his mind. Yeah, but also super interesting and like one of those people we don't really talk about in terms of like the people pulling the levers of power in the United States. But he sure did have a lot of influence.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah, he was not a name that rung a bell to me at all.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

There is a great story, apparently, about his friendship with Abe Lincoln.

[Holly Fry]

Uh huh.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

When Lincoln would come to the offices and visit. And apparently Lincoln had gotten there to the Tribune offices when Medill was not in his office, he was doing something. And when he came back to his office, he found Mr. Lincoln sitting, reading the paper with his feet up on the desk, his long legs extended. And according to many staffers, they heard him yell, get your damn feet off my desk, Abe. Which I just love. Somebody yelling that at Abraham Lincoln. Yeah, it's pretty fascinating. I also really, I mean, I don't. We don't know if it's true. We only have Medill's account, but I really liked his account of like, Abe Lincoln being like, I'm doing what you wanted, so maybe don't be a sucker and do what has to be done here.

[Holly Fry]

Right.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

It sounds somewhat unlike Abe Lincoln.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

But also I love it. And it was enough that it cowed Medill and he wanted to admit as much. So I find that fascinating. Fascinating. He also, we didn't, I didn't get into it because eventually I had to cut some stuff for time, but. Like the, the Douglas Lincoln debates.

[Holly Fry]

Oh, yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Medill followed that whole thing. Like, he literally was the one newspaperman that was printing it every day that there was any news about it. Like following the whole thing around. Just like, followed it like the Grateful Dead and reported every second of everything that was going on, which is another way that he supported Lincoln in the paper.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah. So this outline characterized him in his newspaper journalism career as having a bias. And I was curious about whether, whether, like, it was a bias or whether whether it was more like an informed perspective.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

I think he did have an informed perspective, however, because he was using his paper contacts to communicate back and forth with Abraham Lincoln about how things should be presented. And maybe you want to know about this before it hits this other newspaper. Like, that's the bias part. Right. I am helping you every way I can.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah. There is a journalistic integrity line that. That crosses for sure.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah. And to be fair, all of the rules of journalistic integrity that we think about today weren't all necessarily in place yet at this point.

[Holly Fry]

Right, right.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

But there's a reason they got put in place, and some of it is stuff like this.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah. Well, and today, like, we have been living through an approach to journalism that is purportedly unbiased and taking a neutral stance on topics, but sometimes there's not an actual. A neutral stance on that issue.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Right.

[Holly Fry]

And so having, like, just become deeply exasperated with reporting that makes it seem like there are two equivalent sides to, to issues that don't have equivalent sides. In that way, I'm like, right. I kind of would prefer like, you know, if the paper's position is slavery is bad and should be abolished, that like the reporting points to that.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Holly Fry]

Say straightforwardly and, you know, says it directly because. Yeah, boy, I have various frustrations with the worlds of journalism and reporting. Oh, yeah. At this point of my life, I.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Mean, that was, that was part of why I found this interesting. The other thing too is that if you read his editorials, they are not like I am conveying information to you. It is like, here's the action you need to take.

[Holly Fry]

Okay.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

You know what I mean?

[Holly Fry]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Definitely not like reporting so much as shaping the way people perceive things.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

I mean, granted, like, I'm on board with his anti slavery agenda. Less so with his anti union stuff.

[Holly Fry]

Late in the game. Right. That. So that made me laugh a little bit because he reminds me of my grandfather who was a union typesetter and eventually got promoted into management. And he had been a union man. He raised my, my dad and my aunt to be like, the union is why we have what we have. And then when he moved into management and actually had to deal with the union from the other side.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

He got.

[Holly Fry]

A little, A little more frustrated on that score. And so this reminded me of that in terms of like how he had gone from being a typesetter and from having like a pretty, pretty progressive perspective leading into the Civil War to being a more anti union person, having managed an entire city. And a whole city. Yeah. Being the mayor. Yeah, yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

His time as mayor is so fascinating. One of the things that started happening even before he was elected was that because he was writing these really like, hopeful editorials in the paper of like, hey, everybody, cheer up. Keep your heads up. We're all gonna work together to rebuild. And got reprinted all over the world. People from all over the world, like royal houses in Europe and other places, started sending money directly to him.

[Holly Fry]

Oh, wow.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

And what he would do whenever he got it was he would give the money to his wife, Kitty. And she got to kind of manage the way that money was distributed. So she would basically like handle the philanthropic part of disbursement and be like, hey, I've looked at these four hospitals. This one is suffering the most. I'm going to give them the biggest chunk. Like, she kind of did all of that, but there's not a lot of documentation in how she did it at Least that I could find easily. But I would be curious how she made those decisions.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

It's kind of interesting that he just became. Well before he was mayor, like, when he was literally just writing his stuff in those that, like, month in between the fire and the thing, people were already just sending chunks of money to him, like thousands at a time. And he would be like, okay, so fascinating. He also. I didn't, I didn't get into it, but because I feel like we talk about it so much, people will think it is my special project. He was really instrumental in getting the World's Columbian Exposition to Chicago in 1893. That was one of the things he worked on in his later life, which is just an interesting, interesting thing. And it makes sense. He was very proud of what he had accomplished in terms of rebuilding the city, even if people started getting frustrated with the way he was filling positions. Yeah, yeah. And they did, they did pass a law about not using pine for new structures.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Which probably saved them a lot of trouble down the road. Yeah, I mean, certainly it did.

[Holly Fry]

A place that I used to live has been having, like an internal city dispute involving people being upset that they felt like a business was being unfairly penalized by the city over building codes. And then when like the whole, the whole, like the documentation of it was released and it was like, no, really, they were building a bunch of stuff out of wood in the densely constructed downtown without permits, when wood cannot be used for those structures downtown because of the flammability. And like, this kind of reminded me of that with, like, how much of Chicago was made out of wood at the time and how much that contributed to the fire.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah. There was early on, I think, even before he was elected, as people were discussing these problems in Chicago, like, hey, this is a problem, though, because that's the most economical thing we can possibly get a hold of, and the fastest.

[Holly Fry]

A lot of the time.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah. And we, we read a lot of his inauguration speech, but we didn't read half of it. I mean, it was so long. But one of the things he does is he does this breakdown because he clearly did his, his research on it or talked to experts, because he was like, here's how fast pine rots and how often you will have to replace parts of pine even if it doesn't catch on fire. We are stupid to use this. And it's actually more expensive if you amortize out the replacements you have to make over, you know, a 20 year period than if you just invest in a better building material. Right out of the gate. And I was like, man, he has very strong feelings about this, which were correct and great. And I do like that. He basically was like, okay people, here's the real, real. Here's how much money we owe people, here's how much we have gotten. Here's the gap, here's how I'm gonna fill that gap. And he was really quite direct. There was no hemming and hawing of like. I mean, when I say he line itemed that thing, he literally was like, this is how much it costs to run these four government offices. This is how like just anybody that was a numbers nerd was probably losing their minds with glee during that speech because it was like a spreadsheet being read aloud. So, yeah, problematic in a number of ways. Like I said, some of his very early writing about teaching, I immediately ran across some very slurry, not cool language. And I was like, well, we're not going to quote this. I'll just say he didn't like teaching, but also incredibly powerful and quite smart. If he didn't always use his smarts in the way we might have liked, sure. Also, don't adopt raccoons. Don't try to adopt raccoons. That was a good listener. Mail. It made me wonder for a moment I was like, I wonder if this person is talking about the shelter that I adopted my cats from because they got a brand new beautiful facility not that long ago. And then I was like, no, you got to be buzzed in. So if somebody was just standing in the lobby, they couldn't. That couldn't be the same, right? Right?

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[Holly Fry]

Talked about Christmas we sure did. Talked about William Sands when we finally got to William Sands, we talked about the introduction to his book of Christmas carols that was like 40% of the length of the book. And then within that introduction there was a 60 page gap in which carols were not mentioned. Something that cracked me up. A couple of things cracked me up about that. One is that that introduction ends with him saying, quote, but it is time to close this introduction, which has imperceptibly almost extended to a length that the subject will not sanction. And I was like, yes, William Sands, the subject will not sanction it. Because a lot of this introduction is not actually about the subject.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

You're like perceptible, in point of fact.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah, well, and I mean some of the things that he was writing about are things that are part of the context and are tangentially related. Related or you know, they're part of the historical precursor of the Christmas caroling. But some of it just felt like wandering digression around Christmas and I was like, I I need to get back to the part that's relevant. I'm not going to be able to really put my attention to all of this. That's not. And so when I found the little margin note that some last some past person had made where they put a little star and wrote the the word carols, I thought that was very funny. And then pretty consistently for a lot of the rest of the book, the things that I found useful and noteworthy and wanting to Mention in the episode were also things that this past person with their pencil had written in the book.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Maybe it's a future person. Maybe you time traveled and you were like, I'm really gonna need this help because this is a really sucky. Wow.

[Holly Fry]

The one day we finally invent that time machine that we talk about on the show from time to time.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

I feel like the time machine that we one day build is going to be like the JWST or the Very Large Array where we'll have to submit our proposals for usage just to get on the wait list to use it.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah, well. And a lot of the things that we've talked about using a time machine for on the show have been not the best use of. And I remember many years ago somebody pointing it out either in an email or social media, I don't remember, but we had talked about wanting to go back in time to prevent people from trampling all over the crime scene. And somebody was like, did you think about maybe go back, going back in time to prevent the murder from happening?

[Tracy V. Wilson]

No, no.

[Holly Fry]

It's like, well, yeah, now that you mention it, I suppose that would be better than just stopping the crime scene destruction. But no, that was not really what I had been thinking about.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

I just want to go back and tell the Lumiere brothers I will hang onto this forever. Who thought that film was not ever going to be a money making thing. I literally still want to go back and go rogue. One made a billion dollars and then just vanish into thin air with a B.

[Holly Fry]

So many dollars. By total coincidence, while I was working on this, an algorithm fed me a video. I did not know the name of whose video this was. Maybe I should go look it up. But they. It was an acapella performance of a song about the song God rest you married gentlemen. And where in that phrase the comma should go. And I found it so funny. I'm just. I'm gonna have to look at my phone because I feel that, you know, people, people would appreciate this. Ramses the Pigeon is the name of the account. And I have no idea of anything about this account other than that there is a song that's God rest you married gentlemen. That is a song about where in the song title the comma should go and how the position of that comma changes the title's meaning. And I found it so funny. Which is always great when a random thing on the Internet is so funny.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yes, yes, I would like more of.

[Holly Fry]

That on the Internet. I remember when it felt like most of the Internet was random things that were so funny.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Those were the days.

[Holly Fry]

Instead of AI slop and hate speech.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Those were the days. My favorite recent one since we're on this brief tangent is a post from Happy Camper Tattoos on Instagram and it says Girl dinner and it's a praying mantis holding her mate's head. And it's very cute and it's done in like the old school, kind of slightly cartoony tattoo style. And I thought it was the most brilliant thing I had ever seen. And it made me laugh, Literally so hard I was crying and I sent it to everybody I knew.

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[Tracy V. Wilson]

Christmas carols.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

As is often the case with anything we talk about, do you know what this episode made me think of?

[Holly Fry]

Star Wars.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Bob's Burgers.

[Holly Fry]

You're close. Okay.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

There's a great. They always have great Christmas episodes, some of which make me cry and cry. But one is very funny where the B plot is Linda and the kids and their handyman Teddy, walking around this very rich neighborhood Christmas caroling in the hopes that someone will give them hot cocoa. And there's one house that's known as the Murder House. And then it turns out that really, the guy that lives there is just bad at decor. And he comes out and sings in a beautiful voice. Adeste Fideles. And then they're all friends. But it's so lovely. And that's all I could think of the whole time.

[Holly Fry]

This episode made me think about being raised as a kid and being raised Methodist as a kid. And I don't know how the Methodist Church. Well, the Methodist church had a schism, so I super don't know what's going on with Methodist church leadership now, except the general sides of the schism. But when I was a kid, we were United Methodist. We went to United Methodist Church. And at that time, the United Methodist Church moved the preachers around every few years. So you would get a new preacher periodically. And the types of services that would happen for Christmas could change a lot when there was a different preacher. Like a different preacher could come to the church and sort of have a different idea of what would be good to do for Christmas. And so there were years that we had either on Christmas Eve or sometime during Advent, we would have like a service of lessons and carols. And there were a lot of Christmas carols that were sung as part of church services during Advent. And sometimes there would be like a Christmas Eve specific service that might or might not specifically be lessons and carols, but there would often be Christmas carols sung. And I don't know, it just sort of made me think about the many different iterations of Christmas observances that there were at church when I was a kid.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

And how also sometimes the youth group would go caroling. I don't think. I don't remember if I actually did that very much. But that was like a group activity that would happen, would be going caroling house to house, which we did not like. That was not something that happened near where I lived because we lived out in the country on a busy highway. But, you know, the church was located in a town, and so there would be caroling through the neighborhoods around the church, often neighborhoods that a lot of members of the church lived in.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah, I don't know that I've ever gone caroling. If I did, it was probably part of like some theater program thing.

[Holly Fry]

Oh, sure, sure.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah. I don't, I don't recall ever caroling. Just for funsies.

[Holly Fry]

Yeah. I think I remember one time going caroling at a nursing home.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Oh, yeah.

[Holly Fry]

Like room to room at the nursing home. Somehow what you just said reminded me of the year that the summer theater that I did in the summers when I was a kid, that we did Scrooge, which was funny because it was July, I was gonna say in the summer. Yeah. And we did restage that one at Christmas time, if I recall correctly. And then my high school tried to do Scrooge and it went not great. The theater program was kind of floundering at my high school by the time I got there. And the thing that I remember from the high school production of Scrooge was that one of the early scenes, like the early crowd scenes around the town, the town being London, there was a bottle that either someone dropped or it got put down on the stage. A bottle was on the stage that was not supposed to be there. That was like a prop. And rather than anyone having the presence of mind to create a reason to strike this prop from the stage, everyone just danced around it for one of the production numbers. I find this now hilarious, but boy, was our theater teacher not pleased with us for doing that.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Well, anyway, I have good news. Theater teacher, now it's only thought of with love.

[Holly Fry]

Well, she is no longer among the living, so hopefully she did not carry any resentment about our poor performance of Scrooge in the year 1993. Maybe to the beyond with her. Anyway, so the Carols episode came out on Christmas Eve. Now it is Boxing Day. The day that's behind the scenes is coming out. Whatever is going on with this season of the year, whatever it is that you are celebrating or not celebrating, I hope that it is just all going as well as possible. I, I, it has been a rough year.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah.

[Holly Fry]

And I know a lot of folks need a break. And so if you need a break, I hope you're able to get one before the new year turns over. It will be a whole new year by the time our next behind the scenes comes out. So Happy New Year a little in advance to everyone.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

Yeah, I hope everybody has the means and the ability to eat something delicious, feast and also remember to take care of other people that need the beans. Yeah, and fingers crossed for 2026.

[Holly Fry]

Is that the year that's coming? It sure is.

[Tracy V. Wilson]

I almost said 2027. I almost blipped us right by that biz.

[Holly Fry]

That'd be funny. We'll be back with the Saturday Classic tomorrow. We will have something brand new on Monday. Stuff youf Missed in History Class is a production of I Heart Radio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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[Holly Fry]

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