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Larison Campbell
In Mississippi, Yazoo clay keeps secrets.
Tracey V. Wilson
7,000 bodies out there. Or more.
Larison Campbell
A forgotten asylum cemetery.
Holly Fry
It was my family's mystery.
Larison Campbell
Shame, guilt, propriety. Something keeps it all buried deep. Until it's not. I'm Larison Campbell, and this is under Yazoo Clay. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Unknown Host of Girlfriends Spotlight
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Larison Campbell
I remember that feeling of, okay, this.
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Is how I die and turn that darkness into light.
Larison Campbell
I want to take over the world and just leave this place better than I found it.
Unknown Host of Girlfriends Spotlight
So come and join our girl gang. Listen to the girlfriend Spotlight on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Diosa
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Unknown Host of Locatora Radio
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Tracey V. Wilson
Okay.
Diosa
Now that's what I call a podcast. I'm Diosa. I'm Mala, the host of Locatora Radio, a radiophonic novella, which is just a.
Unknown Host of Locatora Radio
Very extra way of saying a podcast. Listen to Locatora Radio Season 10 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Unknown Host of You Feeling This, Too
You feeling this, too is a horror anthology podcast. It brings different creators to tell ten vile.
Holly Fry
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Unknown Host of You Feeling This, Too
Grotesque.
Jorge Cham
Oh, my God.
Unknown Host of You Feeling This, Too
Horrific stories on what scares them the most.
Tracey V. Wilson
Please go away.
Unknown Host of You Feeling This, Too
You feeling this, too? Listen on iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Holly Fry
Welcome to stuff you missed in history Class, a production of iHeartRadio.
Tracey V. Wilson
Happy Friday. I'm Tracy V. Wilson.
Holly Fry
And I'm Holly Fry.
Tracey V. Wilson
We spent the whole week talking about the Vietnam War and draft board raids. This was an episode that, when I started thinking about it five years ago, and in the times that I've thought about it since, I was like, is there going to be enough information about this? Because it seemed kind of scattered. And a lot of what you find, unless you're going through, like, news reporting, as it happened, of every single thing, which I did do a lot of reading of the news reports of what happened. A lot of times things are summed up in just a couple of sentences. So it's like, 28 people broke into this place, and they did this to the draft records. So I was like, is this really going to work? And then as I got into the Camden 28 story and was like, this is wild. We had these people doing this. They have their. Their friend informing on them. We have this trial that needs its whole section. I was like, maybe it's a whole episode on just the Camden 28. And that felt like it was not doing justice to the fact that it was part of a much bigger movement. And then talking about the much bigger movement needed a lot more explanation of why we were even having this happen. Which meant discussion in more detail of the Vietnam War than I think you and I have ever gotten into on the show. On purpose. I'm going to say a topic I have not been comfortable really getting into.
Holly Fry
Yeah, me either.
Tracey V. Wilson
My. My dad served in Vietnam. He was deployed to Vietnam in 1971. So during that period that, know, removal of troops was happening, but people also being sent over there for the first time. I also have more extended member of the family who was killed in Vietnam. And then growing up in the, you know, latter half of the 1970s and into the 1980s and just kind of being steeped in what the culture of the United States was like at that point, I've always been like, yikes, we have plenty of other stuff to talk about. Don't really need to get into that. Yeah, yeah, here we are. Here we are. Yeah.
Holly Fry
I mean, my dad is career military and served in Vietnam. We have never talked about it. Yeah, that was made very clear to me as a kid that that was an off limits subject.
Tracey V. Wilson
Yeah.
Holly Fry
So I don't have a lot of information.
Tracey V. Wilson
I have one story about my dad's time in Vietnam, and it is about when he was preparing to go home and how everyone was. When it was approaching time to go home, people were terrified because it was like, if something's gonna happen to me, now is when it's gonna happen.
Holly Fry
Right.
Tracey V. Wilson
And so apparently he had to pass. Everybody had to pass a drug test to be able to go back home. And if you didn't pass your drug test, you could only get as far as Okinawa and you had to wait there for I don't know what. And so in the midst of just this anxiety about what was gonna happen, he hadn't really had anything to eat or drink. And so the sample he gave was not valid for his drug test. He had to do it over. He's not ever told me much more about it beyond that. But having been kind of a pacifist person from my early childhood.
Holly Fry
Yeah.
Tracey V. Wilson
Generally feeling that war is bad. And then growing up through the years of stuff like Operation Desert Storm and like, people's Responses about that still being colored by what had happened with the anti Vietnam War movement, which, as we said in the episode, way broader than hippies and college kids.
Holly Fry
Yeah.
Tracey V. Wilson
Anyway, it was just a. Was a weird time to grow up, for sure.
Holly Fry
And I feel like part of the reason that it was always off limits in my family for discussion was because not just of my father's service, but my mom, who I would not say was anti war or a pacifist, although I don't really know. We never talked about it, was very Catholic. And so I wonder if there was some, like, just like, we don't want to start peeling this onion. It is too complicated. There are too many issues in play.
Tracey V. Wilson
Yeah.
Holly Fry
Like, I think it was just a. Let's not have a potentially tricky conversation. I'm making, you know, the following items for dinner.
Tracey V. Wilson
Yeah, yeah.
Holly Fry
Not. Not necessarily a fan of nuance. My mom.
Tracey V. Wilson
Right.
Holly Fry
Yeah, I think that was part of it, too. So for all I know, my dad would have been like, yeah, I'll talk about it. My mom was like, let's not. I don't know. I could still ask my dad, but, you know, I kind of don't want to bug a dude in his 80s about stuff like that.
Tracey V. Wilson
Right, right.
Holly Fry
He's never volunteered anything, so.
Tracey V. Wilson
Right. Yeah. My dad also worked in a motor pool, so he was not in a, like, frontline kind of combat position.
Holly Fry
Gotcha.
Tracey V. Wilson
Anyway, I had a couple of things that came up in the research for this that didn't have just a good place to go in the episode. So I kind of wanted to talk about them in behind the Scenes. Now that I have talked about my profound discomfort of trying to talk about Vietnam on the show. One, the flower Power image. I love that photo. I really do. The person in the photo, George Harris. Really? George Harris III, later known as Hibiscus. So I think he was 18 or 19 when that picture was taken. Had a theater background from childhood. Like theater family and, like, doing plays with his siblings and all of that. After the war, went to the San Francisco Bay area and helped found an avant garde drag performance group called the Cockettes. Other Cockettes include Divine.
Holly Fry
Yeah, I know of the Cockettes. I did not realize this was the connection, though.
Tracey V. Wilson
Yeah. So Hibiscus, one of the founders of the. Of the Cockettes, also one of the founders of the angel of Light theater troupe. One of his fellow performers in all of this, in an article about him in the New York Times, described him as, quote, he came out of the closet wearing the entire closet. I love that. So much. It's also very clear that, that his gender was, was pretty fluid. But everything that I have read about him has used he, him pronouns for him. He had a relationship with Allen Ginsberg. Like a, like a relationship, right? Like a physical, slash, romantic relationship. So tragically, he died of AIDS related diseases in 1982. That was so early in the AIDS crisis that the terms human immunodeficiency virus and acquired immune deficiency syndrome had not even been coined yet to describe it. He was only 32. I want to go back in time and with his consent, hug him. That was thing number one. I just, I wanted to talk more about hibiscus and all of that and kind of, you know, where his life went from being in this famous picture.
Larison Campbell
There's a type of soil in Mississippi called Yazoo clay. It's thick, burnt orange, and it's got a reputation.
Tracey V. Wilson
It's terrible, terrible dirt.
Larison Campbell
Yazoo clay eats everything. So things that get buried there tend to stay buried until they're not. In 2012, construction crews at Mississippi's biggest hospital made a shocking discovery.
Tracey V. Wilson
7,000 bodies are out there or more.
Larison Campbell
All former patients of the old state asylum. And nobody knew they were there.
Holly Fry
It was my family's mystery.
Larison Campbell
But in this corner of the south, it's not just the soil that keeps secrets.
Tracey V. Wilson
Nobody talks about it. Nobody has any information.
Larison Campbell
When you peel back the layers of Mississippi's Yazoo clay, nothing's ever as simple as you think.
Tracey V. Wilson
The story is much more complicated and nuanced than that.
Larison Campbell
I'm Larison Campbell. Listen to Under Yazu Clay on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.
Sophia Bush
Hi, friends, Sophia Bush here, host of work in progress. This week we had such a special guest on the podcast My Forever flotus. A mentor, a friend, a wife, a mother, an author, attorney, advocate, television producer. And now she adds podcast host to the list herself. Friends, Michelle Obama is here.
Holly Fry
Sophia, I'm beyond thrilled to be able to sit down and chat with you.
Sophia Bush
We talk about it all. Life, love, motherhood.
Holly Fry
Martinis, Vodka martini, dry, straight up olives, very cold.
Tracey V. Wilson
My girl, barely any vermouth.
Sophia Bush
What's next, what she's watching on tv?
Holly Fry
I am a white lotuser. I am a Real Housewives person.
Sophia Bush
I love the dating shows and tennis.
Holly Fry
I just find that to be a bit meditative.
Sophia Bush
You do not want to miss this. Listen to work in Progress on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Jorge Cham
Have you ever wondered if your pet is lying to you?
Tracey V. Wilson
Why is my cat not here and I go in and she's eating my lunch?
Jorge Cham
Or if hypnotism is real, you will use the suggestion in order to enhance your cognitive control. But what's inside a black hole?
Tracey V. Wilson
Black holes could be a consequence of the way that we understand the universe.
Jorge Cham
Well, we have answers for you in the new iHeart original podcast Science Stuff. Join me, Jorge Cham, as we tackle questions you've always wanted to know the answer to about animals, space, our brains and our bodies. Questions like, can you survive being cryogenically frozen?
Tracey V. Wilson
This is experimental. This may never work for you.
Jorge Cham
What's a quantum computer?
Tracey V. Wilson
It's not just a faster computer. It performs in a fundamentally different way.
Jorge Cham
Do you really have to wait 30 minutes after eating before you can go swimming?
Unknown Host of You Feeling This, Too
It's not really a safety issue.
Tracey V. Wilson
It's more of a comfort issue.
Jorge Cham
We'll talk to experts, break it down, and give you easy to understand explanations to fascinating scientific questions. So give yourself permission to be a science geek and listen to science stuff on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Jen Swan
Imagine you're scrolling through TikTok. You come across a video of a teenage girl and then a photo of the person suspected of killing her.
Sophia Bush
And I was like, what? Like, it was him. I was like, oh, my God. It was shocking. It was very shocking.
Jen Swan
I'm Jen Swan. I'm a journalist in Los Angeles, and I've spent the past few years investigating the story behind the viral posts and the extraordinary events that followed.
Diosa
I started investing my time to get her justice.
Tracey V. Wilson
They put out something on social media. So I get called in the middle of the night all the time.
Sophia Bush
It's like, how do you think you're gonna get away with something like this? Like you kill somebody.
Jen Swan
It's the story of how and why a group of teenagers turn to social media to help track down their friend's killer. This is their story. This is my friend Daisy. Listen to my friend daisy on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Tracey V. Wilson
The other thing, Father Michael Doyle. Yeah, this requires a little bit of context. So in a number of Christian denominations on Ash Wednesday, there is some kind of, like, observation or service, right? That is usually done with the palms from Palm Sunday the previous year. So Palm Sunday commemorates Jesus Christ coming into Jerusalem and people waving palm branches. And there's usually something with palm branches at the church service. And then those branches are saved. The next year, they are burned to make the ashes for Ash Wednesday. And then on Ash Wednesday, there's something that often involves a person getting some of the ash on their head, often on their forehead in the shape of a cross. Yep. A lot of different. Like I was, I was raised Methodist. We didn't really do this.
Holly Fry
Oh, yes, I've had, I've had the ash face many times.
Tracey V. Wilson
Yes, Catholics do, I think Episcopalians do not. Just broadly speaking. I'm not saying every single Catholic in the world has done this. You do you. I'm not giving commands here. So Michael Doyle, at some point during all of this, I think it might have been after the trial, made the ashes for Ash Wednesday by burning a copy of the Pentagon Papers. Yeah.
Holly Fry
I had heard that, but I did not know if that was true or not.
Tracey V. Wilson
I think there's a picture of it. He's burning.
Holly Fry
Oh, I believe you.
Tracey V. Wilson
I just mean I never looked it up.
Holly Fry
Like, I heard it like a non verified source was like, oh, yeah, that happened.
Tracey V. Wilson
And I'm like, did it Burned the Pentagon Papers in an army helmet. And then, you know, told the congregation about like this, the, this Ash Wednesday ash was like a peace demonstration of. He did get in trouble with the, you know, the, the more, the higher up church authority in the Catholic Church for doing this. I don't remember. I didn't write down, like what specifically whether he was reprimanded exactly what happened. But I was like, man, the, the Ash Wednesday ashes out of the Pentagon Papers. I don't want to step on anyone's religious convictions, but I was like, I am behind this actually in just a philosophical way. I cannot speak to it from a religious way because again, it's not part of my religious tradition.
Holly Fry
Right. I will say this. Right. Although he may have gotten in trouble for that, he was a monsignor when he died.
Tracey V. Wilson
Okay.
Holly Fry
Which is a title that you get that's bestowed on people for extraordinary service by the Pope.
Tracey V. Wilson
Okay.
Holly Fry
Yeah, the bishop. You know, the hierarchy of the church is very political, but the priest bishop has to recommend them. But then the Pope typically is the one who gives them the actual title of monsignor. So while he may have had brushes with being reprimanded, ultimately he was recognized for his service. Yeah, he died only a couple years ago.
Tracey V. Wilson
Yeah, yeah. So a lot of the people who were involved in this some way died in the period sort of between the 1990s and now. And some are presumably still living, especially the younger people who were part of these demonstrations. So so many, like, were already living a life that was really focused on service and was focused on social issues and went on to continue to do that after the war for the rest of their lives. The book that I mentioned that recently came out about the Camden 28 kind of talked a little bit about the Catholic left movement and some of the things that happened in the years after this, like people who had been part of the Vietnam, the anti Vietnam protests, and really dedicated to that work were not necessarily of the same mind about things like abortion.
Holly Fry
Right.
Tracey V. Wilson
And then also there was the massive, you know, sex abuse within the Catholic Church that came to light after all of this. And so, like, all of those things played a part in, you know, how people continued to do work or demonstrations and all of that afterward. I sure do find the Berrigan brothers fascinating.
Holly Fry
Utterly fascinating.
Tracey V. Wilson
One of them, I do not remember, which went on to get married to a former nun, but still called himself a priest afterward. Apparently, they just did a lot of very dramatic work related to a number of causes, including the anti nuclear weapons movement after all of this. And there's a, I think, fairly recent book just about them also.
Holly Fry
That seems correct.
Tracey V. Wilson
So, yeah, this episode was about stuff that's a little more recent than we often talk about. I sort of have realized Recently I'm turning 50, which means stuff that happened before I was born happened more than 50 years ago. And I know that seems obvious.
Holly Fry
It does, but it's also charming.
Tracey V. Wilson
But, you know, having started working on this podcast more than a decade ago, it feels a little different. Stuff that happened 40 years ago versus stuff that happened 50 years ago in terms of, like, how much historical remove do we have on this at this point?
Holly Fry
Right.
Tracey V. Wilson
So, yeah, anyway, yeah, I was.
Holly Fry
I was alive during this. So.
Tracey V. Wilson
Yeah, yeah, I was. I was born in 1975, so just afterward. But I still feel like the Vietnam War really dominated so much socially and politically.
Holly Fry
Oh, yes.
Tracey V. Wilson
Through my whole up upbringing.
Holly Fry
Oh, yeah.
Tracey V. Wilson
So, anyway, yeah, we're old.
Holly Fry
I don't know what to tell you.
Tracey V. Wilson
Yeah, aging. Aging is happening. It was really working on this episode that I. I kind of like, we don't. It's not like we have a demographic survey of our entire audience.
Holly Fry
Right.
Tracey V. Wilson
We do have some indications of a little bit of, like, the demographic trends of our audience. And I was like, we really are at a point where most of the audience probably did not live through the 60s, 70s, and 80s. Yeah.
Holly Fry
I mean, one of the things that I have loved seeing about our audience and we have heard it from people when we've done live shows and whatnot, is how many of them, you know, started listening to the show as part of, like, school curriculum.
Tracey V. Wilson
Oh, yeah.
Holly Fry
But then continued to listen after they had finished their education. So they're aging up, but that still means that they were much younger when we were, you know, initially talking to them and. Yes.
Tracey V. Wilson
Yeah.
Holly Fry
Way outside the. The time window.
Tracey V. Wilson
Right.
Holly Fry
When this would have been really actively going on.
Tracey V. Wilson
Yeah. Yeah. So whatever is happening on your weekend, boy, do I hope it is as great as possible if you're able to take a little time for yourself, have a moment, take a breath, maybe take a walk outside if the weather's nice. Maybe just a look outside if the weather's not nice, or if you don't want to go out there. We'll be back with a Saturday classic tomorrow and something brand new on Monday. Stuff youf Missed in History Class is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.
Larison Campbell
In Mississippi, Yazoo clay keeps secrets.
Tracey V. Wilson
7,000 bodies out there or more.
Larison Campbell
A forgotten asylum, cemetery.
Holly Fry
It was my family's mystery.
Larison Campbell
Shame, guilt, propriety. Something keeps it all buried deep until it's not. I'm Larison Campbell, and this is under Yazoo Clay. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
Unknown Host of Girlfriends Spotlight
The number one hit podcast, the Girlfriends, is back with something new, the Girlfriends Spotlight. Each week, you'll hear women triumph over adversity. You'll meet Tracey, who survived a terrifying attack.
Larison Campbell
I remember that feeling of, okay, this.
Unknown Host of Girlfriends Spotlight
Is how I die and turn that darkness into light.
Larison Campbell
I want to take over the world and just leave this place better than I found it.
Unknown Host of Girlfriends Spotlight
So come and join our girl gang. Listen to the girlfriend Spotlight on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
Unknown Host of You Feeling This, Too
You feeling. This, too is a horror anthology podcast. It brings different creators to tell ten vile.
Tracey V. Wilson
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Unknown Host of You Feeling This, Too
Grotesque.
Jorge Cham
Oh, my God.
Unknown Host of You Feeling This, Too
Horrific stories on what scares them the most. You feeling this, too? Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Unknown Host of Locatora Radio
Are your ears bored?
Diosa
Yeah. Are you looking for a new podcast that will make you laugh, learn, and say que?
Tracey V. Wilson
Yeah.
Unknown Host of Locatora Radio
Then tune in to locatora radio season 10 today.
Diosa
Okay, now that's what I call a podcast. I'm Diosa. I'm Mala, the hosts of Locatora Radio, a radiophonic novella, which is just a.
Unknown Host of Locatora Radio
Very extra way of saying a podcast. Listen to Locatora Radio Season 10 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
Hosts: Holly Fry & Tracey V. Wilson
Release Date: April 11, 2025
Production: iHeartRadio
In this special episode of Stuff You Missed in History Class, hosts Holly Fry and Tracey V. Wilson delve deep into the complex and often underexplored topics surrounding the Vietnam War and the subsequent anti-war movements. The episode is a behind-the-scenes look at the challenges and revelations encountered while researching and presenting this intricate period in history.
Tracey V. Wilson opens the discussion by highlighting the scattered nature of information available on the Vietnam War and draft board raids. She reflects on her initial concerns about whether there would be enough material to create a comprehensive episode:
“[02:25] Tracey V. Wilson: ...is there going to be enough information about this? Because it seemed kind of scattered.”
As she delved into the story of the Camden 28—a group of 28 individuals who broke into draft records—the depth and complexity of their actions became evident. Tracey realized that isolating the Camden 28 would not adequately represent the broader anti-war movement, necessitating a more detailed exploration of the war's impact on American society.
Both hosts share their personal connections to the Vietnam War, adding emotional depth to the episode.
Tracey V. Wilson reveals her family's ties, mentioning her father's deployment to Vietnam in 1971 and a family member lost in the war:
“[03:49] Tracey V. Wilson: My dad served in Vietnam. He was deployed to Vietnam in 1971. So during that period...”
She recounts a poignant story about her father struggling with a drug test amidst the anxiety of returning home:
“[05:08] Tracey V. Wilson: ...he had to pass a drug test to be able to go back home. And if you didn't pass your drug test, you could only get as far as Okinawa...”
Holly Fry shares her own family's reluctance to discuss the war, stemming from her father's military career and her mother's desire to avoid complicated conversations:
“[04:31] Holly Fry: ...my dad is career military and served in Vietnam. We have never talked about it. Yeah, that was made very clear to me as a kid that that was an off-limits subject.”
These personal anecdotes underscore the lingering trauma and silence surrounding the war within many American families.
The hosts explore the significance of the Camden 28, a group involved in anti-draft activities. Tracey emphasizes the necessity of contextualizing their actions within the larger movement:
“[04:25] Tracey V. Wilson: ...this is part of a much bigger movement. And then talking about the much bigger movement needed a lot more explanation of why we were even having this happen.”
They discuss the motivations behind such protests, highlighting the diverse demographics involved—not just hippies and college students but also religious figures like Father Michael Doyle.
A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to Father Michael Doyle, a prominent figure in the Catholic left movement. Tracey provides context on traditional Catholic practices related to Ash Wednesday and Palm Sunday:
“[14:23] Tracey V. Wilson: ...during all of this, I think it might have been after the trial, made the ashes for Ash Wednesday by burning a copy of the Pentagon Papers.”
Father Doyle's act of burning the Pentagon Papers as Ash Wednesday ashes symbolized a powerful peace demonstration:
“[15:18] Holly Fry: Oh, yes, I've had, I've had the ash face many times.”
Despite potential reprimands from higher church authorities, Father Doyle was later honored as a monsignor, reflecting his enduring commitment to social justice:
“[17:05] Holly Fry: ...ultimately he was recognized for his service. Yeah, he died only a couple years ago.”
Tracey discusses the long-term impacts of the anti-Vietnam War movement, including its influence on subsequent social issues and movements:
“[18:49] Tracey V. Wilson: ...the massive, you know, sex abuse within the Catholic Church that came to light after all of this. And so, like, all of those things played a part...”
She also touches upon the Berrigan brothers, notable for their dramatic activism in various causes, further illustrating the diverse tactics and enduring legacy of the anti-war movement.
The hosts reflect on how historical narratives evolve over time and the importance of presenting nuanced stories to a modern audience, many of whom did not live through the Vietnam era:
“[19:43] Tracey V. Wilson: ...the Camden 28 kind of talked a little bit about the Catholic left movement...”
Holly points out the enduring relevance of these histories, especially as their audience grows older and gains different perspectives:
“[21:44] Holly Fry: ...we have heard it from people when we've done live shows and whatnot, is how many of them... continued to listen after they had finished their education.”
As the episode wraps up, Tracey and Holly emphasize the importance of remembering and understanding these complex historical events to appreciate their lasting effects on contemporary society. They acknowledge the challenges in discussing such topics but affirm the value in uncovering and sharing these critical narratives.
“[20:35] Tracey V. Wilson: Yeah, I was born in 1975, so just afterward. But I still feel like the Vietnam War really dominated so much socially and politically.”
“[20:58] Holly Fry: I don't know what to tell you.”
“[21:30] Holly Fry: Yeah, they're aging up, but that still means that they were much younger when we were, you know, initially talking to them and...”
The episode serves as a poignant reminder of the intricate web of personal, social, and political threads that define historical events like the Vietnam War, urging listeners to delve deeper into the stories that shape our understanding of the past and present.
Notable Quotes:
Tracey V. Wilson [02:25]: “...is there going to be enough information about this? Because it seemed kind of scattered.”
Tracey V. Wilson [05:08]: “...he had to pass a drug test to be able to go back home. And if you didn't pass your drug test, you could only get as far as Okinawa...”
Tracey V. Wilson [14:23]: “...made the ashes for Ash Wednesday by burning a copy of the Pentagon Papers.”
Holly Fry [17:05]: “...ultimately he was recognized for his service. Yeah, he died only a couple years ago.”
Tracey V. Wilson [20:35]: “Yeah, I was born in 1975, so just afterward. But I still feel like the Vietnam War really dominated so much socially and politically.”
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