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Josh Clark
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Josh Clark
Welcome to Stuff youf Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh and there's Chuck and Jerry's here too. And this is a good old fashioned episode of Stuff you Should Know.
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Josh Clark
That's right. But before we get going, we want to make a plea to cough up just a little bit of dough for our friends at Co Ed. If you don't know our friends at Cooperative for Education who break the cycle of poverty in Guatemala through education, we're trying to get to a million bucks donated by the Stuff you Should Know family, not army. This is the family.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Sure.
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Josh Clark
And we're getting close. So where can they go to do that?
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Daniel Murgatroyd
They can go to cooperative4education.org sysk and every little bit helps. Large donation, small donation, doesn't matter because they're all going to be pulled together and get us to $1 million donated from Stuff youf Should Know listeners, which would be great.
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Josh Clark
And you got another little piece of housekeeping, right?
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Yes. I wanted to thank a guy named Daniel Murgatroyd, who is a rather Talented painter who a while back noticed a picture of Momo that I posted Instagram and he offered to paint it and he sent me a straight up amazing oil painting that looks just like the photograph. So we have a wonderful oil painting of Mo, and I just wanted to thank him for that and tell everybody to go check him out on Instagram. Daniel Murgatroyd, Art. M U R G A T R O Y D Art. He's really, really good, so. And I think he might be accepting commissions, by the way.
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Josh Clark
Oh, I'm gonna check that out. No Marvin Martian jokes, I promise.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
No, I always think of Jam on it. I think that's one of the little gremlin sisters. His name Murgatroyd.
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Josh Clark
No, I always think of Marvin Martian. Heavens to Murgatroyd.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Oh, yeah, that's right. I forgot about him. I was never a big fan of his. He was creepy.
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Josh Clark
I liked him.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Okay, we also need to shout out World Wide Words. If you've never been on World Wide Words website, it's amazing. The guy, Michael Quinlan, who ran the site is he just really did some amazing work of digging up word origins and etymology and all that. And then Grammarist is another really good site that we drew from, among many others. But those two were the ones who deserve the biggest shout outs.
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Josh Clark
Yeah, we've done something like this before, and I think every couple of years we'll probably throw out another word and phrase origin episode because it's always fun to look at this stuff. I'm an enthusiast of phrase origins, and we're going to kick it off with the old on the wagon phrase. You were on the wagon. That means you are not drinking, you are sober. Oh, I can't have that drink, man. I'm on the wagon.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Right, right. And this one's awesome because we actually know pretty much with 100% certainty where it came from. But first, before we get to that, let's talk about a couple competing theories. One of them is from our friends across the pond in the uk who, who apparently back in the day, if you were being taken to jail or you were being taken to the gallows, you would be taken by wagon or cart, and the very gracious constable or jailer would stop at a pub and let you have one last drink. Then after you had that drink, you would get back on the wagon never to drink again.
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Josh Clark
That's right, because you're about to go get your head chopped off.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Right. So I don't even know if that happened, but whether it did or not, it. It's not the origin of on the wagon. Sorry, Brit friends.
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Josh Clark
No, it's a good one, though. And it's funny. Anytime you do research on phrase origins, there are always a lot of competing theories and a lot of them sound really fun and you will probably repeat some of them. But a lot of them aren't true.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
No, but these are vetted. Man. We really worked hard to make sure that this one really, really is accurate.
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Josh Clark
All right, so moving on a little closer, but not quite there. This sort of dances around the true origin, but this one takes us to America. We don't have to go across any pond because we're here already. And the temperance movement is what we're speaking of. Where if you listen to our episode on. What's it called, when they got rid of all the booze.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Prohibition.
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Josh Clark
Prohibition. It was led by the temperance movement, which was a movement of uptight people who said, you shouldn't drink, no one should drink, and we're going to make it really hard for you to drink. So the temperance movement was really happening. And they would go through towns at times preaching abstinence and literally like parading through town. And they would, almost like a church invitation, would call people to take the pledge. Like come up and take the pledge and say, you're not going to drink this devil's juice anymore and sign this thing, swearing that you're never going to take a drink again. And here, after you've signed it, why don't you just jump on this wagon we're riding around on through town and you can beckon others to do the same.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
And that is where the origin of on the wagon came from.
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Josh Clark
Oh, he's such a good actor. Not quite. It's good and it's close. Again, it dances near it. But that is not quite right, right, right.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
It turns out it did have to do with the temperance movement and their pledge and people taking the pledge. But it wasn't a parade wagon that was being referenced. It was what was called a water wagon or a water cart. And back in the day, around the time of the last turn of the century, there were lots of towns out there that had just nothing but a dusty dirt street. There was no pavement, no oyster shells, no cobblestones, nothing like that. And on dry days, that dirt could turn to dust and blow in your face. So the water would be a cart of non potable water, Non drinkable water that a horse would draw that would just kind of spray the. The road down to keep it from being dusty.
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Josh Clark
Yeah, it's what they call in the film business. A wet down.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Sure.
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Josh Clark
Except they usually do it on asphalt streets to make it look cooler at night.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Right. So I don't know if they did it for that, but this was more. This was more practical. But the point was, the water in the water cart you did not want to drink.
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Josh Clark
No.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
So when somebody who'd signed the pledge said, like, I'd rather drink from the water wagon or the water cart rather than take a strong drink again, that is the origin of I'm on the wagon. That's what they were saying is I would rather drink this nasty water than drink a glass of whiskey again.
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Josh Clark
Yeah, that's a good one.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
I thought so, too. And then water wagon became just the wagon. And apparently by 1904, there was an article in the Davenport Daily Leader that said a man fell off the water wagon and they felt obligated to say this was a real water wagon, not the figurative one. So it was at least not drink booze. Right. In widespread use by 1904.
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Josh Clark
All right, I like that.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
I do, too. That was a good one.
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Josh Clark
All right, this one. I guess we're just going to have to get into this because this one bothers me. That is exception that proves the rule.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Okay.
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Josh Clark
Because I fully understand what this means, and I get it. And I didn't know anyone had any problem with the phrase the exception that proves the rule.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Oh, really? So, like, the original and proper use of it, that's what you. That's the only one you're aware of?
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Josh Clark
I mean, I just. I feel like I know what it means and that I don't understand the confusion of what it means.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Well, let's explain what some people are confused by. So a lot of people out there think that the phrase the exception that proves the rule is talking about like an outlier, an exception that by its very existence, it shows that the rule that it's breaking is generally true.
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Josh Clark
But then that's how it's used.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
That's not it, though. That's not correct. And it's actually kind of nonsensical if you dig into it.
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Josh Clark
I don't think so. I think that's how modern people use it. I think this is a case of changing language.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Yes.
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Josh Clark
And I think it's very easily understood. Like if I say I hate all mushrooms, but I like portobellos, only, then that is an exception that generally proves the rule that I hate all other mushrooms.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Okay, but let me explain why it's actually nonsensical. Like, yes, you're absolutely right. So many people Use it like that. That it has come to mean that as well. But we're talking about, like, the original version, which is. Still holds the same meaning too. It's still a useful way of using it. It's not like, archaic or antiquated.
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Josh Clark
Right, but what I'm saying is, don't get your hopes up that you're going to convince me that it's nonsensical.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Okay, that's fine.
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Josh Clark
Perfect sense.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Let me explain why you're wrong. So there's a. There's an adage that you only have to find one white crow to disprove that all crows are black. But does that mean that that one white crow also proves that crows in general are black? I would say no, because how many white crows are out there? Right. It doesn't mean anything. It just means the one thing that crows. Not all crows are black. It doesn't show also that crows are generally black. That's why it's generally considered nonsensical.
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Josh Clark
Yeah, I don't buy it.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
There's a second way to do it too, that says. That really emphasizes the proves part. The exception proves the rule. But they don't mean prove as in like, I proved it. It's inarguable. They mean it in the scientific term of test the validity.
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Josh Clark
Yeah, that makes sense. But that's not what it was originally intended to mean either though, right?
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Daniel Murgatroyd
No. And another good example is, let's say you have a rule that says you shouldn't put pants on horses.
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Josh Clark
Okay.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
And an exception to that rule might test the validity, the viability of that rule. So there's one guy who puts pants on a horse.
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Josh Clark
Yeah, Always one guy.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Yeah, that guy. The horse trips, breaks a leg. And that horse has just shown that that rule is pretty valid. That you shouldn't put pants on a horse because that rule protects horses. Makes sense. Way more sensical than the one that. That you subscribe to. But finally we reach Chuck, the. The original version, the original meaning of the exception that proves the rule. And I think it's beautiful in its elegance.
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Josh Clark
Well, it is. And I guess this is how I used it with the mushrooms. And this is how I always took it to mean, which was the use of the phrase is basically that the presence of an exception proves that a rule exists.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Okay. Okay. Yeah. I could see how you. There's an interpretation of your mushroom statement that follows.
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Josh Clark
I hate mushrooms. I hate them, but I like portobellos. That basically proves that I hate all other mushrooms if I only like one.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Yeah. Okay. So Yeah, I think it's the phrasing of it that's throwing me off, because typically when you're using the exception that proves the rule correctly, an example of it is free parking on Sundays.
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Josh Clark
I didn't like this one. This made my brain hurt.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Okay, but listen, that's an exception that suggests that there's a rule that all the other days of the week you have to pay to park. There's an exception that's posted that proves that a rule exists. Okay? No shirt, no shoes, no service. The fact that a store would feel obligated to post that sign suggests that elsewhere you can wear. Go without shoes or a shirt.
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Josh Clark
See, I don't know if I buy that because that to me doesn't mean that. That to me means that at some point someone came in there without a shirt and people complained. So they said, well, we gotta have a rule now.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Right? But that.
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Josh Clark
Right, but you don't think it says anything about other restaurants.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
I disagree. Okay, so that's. But that's how. That's how you're supposed to use it. And the reason why this is the original version is because it actually comes from medieval law.
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Josh Clark
Yeah, it was. I believe there was a Latin phrase. I love reading Latin. Exceptio probat regulum in cassibus, non exceptus. The exception confirms the rule, and the case is not expected.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Accepted.
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Josh Clark
Accepted. What I say expected. I got a question for you. Let's go back to no shirt, no shoes, no dice. All right, so you're saying if you walk into a restaurant and it says, no shirt, no shoes, no service, you would say, hey, I didn't see a sign at that place, so that must mean you can go in there without a shirt on.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
If I stopped and thought about it, yes, that logically makes sense. But I don't think. I think you don't have to fixate on other restaurants. It can just mean that other places in public, you could be without a shirt and a shoe, and you're not going to be arrested for it or something like that.
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Josh Clark
Oh, okay. So, like, you got your shirt tied around your waist, you're Rollerblading, you stop to go in to get some food, you take off your Rollerblades and you're now barefoot, but you gotta put on that shirt and fish the flip flops out of your backpack, out of your fanny pack. Excuse me.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
The point was that this was supposed to be more understandable. I think we made it at least 10 times less understandable.
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Josh Clark
All right, that's perfect. I think that means we should Take a break.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
All right, let's take a break. Stephanie Chanel.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Better.
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Josh Clark
All right, that was fun.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
I think from here on out, it's gonna be pretty easygoing.
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Josh Clark
I think it's smooth sailing ahead because we move on to one of my favorite things that I said as a kid that you don't say as much as an adult. I don't feel like. But as a kid, when you smell something that's nasty, a lot of times you'll go pee. You.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
You don't say that as an adult, huh?
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Josh Clark
No, I say, who farted? But I don't need to ask cause my daughter already had.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
That's hilarious.
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Josh Clark
Pu as in the letters P, U. But they don't even mean anything. They don't stand for anything.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Right? Yeah. Which is pretty interesting. And if you think about pu, it's totally unnecessary. You could just say that smells awful. But by adding pu, it just puts a whole luster on it and really says that smells really bad. So they don't stand for anything. But P and U, in that order have a long standing association with something offensive or disgusting. And it goes all the way back to Latin. Actually, before Latin, there's a Latin word called puteo, which means I stink, which is probably not said that that frequently back then. And then there's an even more ancient word in from Proto Indo European language, which is really, really old puh, pu, that meant rotten or foul. So that word's been around a really long time. But again, pu doesn't stand for anything. It's just a total coincidence that those two letters put together in the English language make the same sound that humans typically make when we encounter something gross and nasty.
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Josh Clark
Yeah, you think of the word putrid has pu, but it's all just coincidence. People say pyew. You know, spell it however you want. P Y, O, O or P E W. I guess even you can throw an H in there. P, H E W and pew just came. P, U.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Right.
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Josh Clark
And I think this is a great thing to keep in your hip pocket. Like, I think it's genuinely interesting that pu is just a coincidence with the Latin and the proto Indo European such that you could even drop some wolf bait at a dinner party and very quickly, like get out of the embarrassment by saying, well, here's an opportunity. Actually did you know. And then all of a sudden everyone's like, I don't even remember that you farted.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Right. What's awesome too. PU has only been in use since, like, the 1950s.
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Josh Clark
Yeah. And it's in the OED, right? It's in the Oxford English Dictionary spelled P, E, W. And that's where PU generally is thought to sort of come from.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
That's right.
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Josh Clark
Pew.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
I like that one too, Chuck.
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Josh Clark
I'm going to bring it back.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Let's start. Okay. I think we should, because it is really great. So, too is the next phrase, Chuck. Bury the hatchet. Bury the hatchet. Now, what does that mean?
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Josh Clark
This is a really good one. This is something that you say if, like, let's say you and I are having a big fight and that eventually we're.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
We're having a fight over what the exception that proves the rule means.
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Josh Clark
We're at loggerheads. We say, oh, God, we gotta take a commercial break. Which is when we do our best fighting. And then in that commercial break, I'm like, listen, man. No, actually, you say it. Cause you're the peacemaker. You say, let's just bury the hatchet here. This is a dumb thing to fight over. And I say, fine.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
And then that's it. We move on. Everything's good from that point on. Because the hatchet has been buried.
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Josh Clark
Yes. It's a symbol of getting over an argument, letting bygones be bygones.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Right. What's interesting is that it actually started out with a really literal meaning to the phrase bury the hatchet. And the whole thing comes from the Iroquois language family, better known by their own term the Haudenosaunee, which means people of the long House. Iroquois was the French name for this group of people that included a number of tribes up in the northeast. The Cayuga, Cherokee, Huron, Seneca, Mohawk, Oneida, Oneondaga and Tuscarora. And their whole jam stretched from Lake Ontario over to Pennsylvania and New York and all the way up to Ontario and Quebec. Which means that they were rubbing elbows with the French, British, and the Dutch after the Europeans started to come over. Which also means that ideas were able to spread among this group. Which is why we're talking about bury the hatchet today.
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Josh Clark
That's right. And if you. And I think this is a very great story. According to Iroquois legend, there was a treaty formed by some members of this Iroquois family. And they actually got it wrong for many years. They placed it at 14:51. But researchers at the University of Toledo.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Yeah. Go Rockets.
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Josh Clark
Rockets. Almost said Mud Hens. Not right.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
That's the minor league baseball team. Yeah.
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Josh Clark
They got together and used oral history and astronomy data and all sorts of great documentary Resources and said, actually, hey, we know when it is. It was August 31, 1142.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Yeah.
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Josh Clark
So much earlier than it was believed. But in this treaty, it's very cool what happened. They got the five original signatories, which were the Cayuga, the Oneida, the Mohawk, the Seneca, and the Onondaga, and they formed what was known as the. Say it, Josh. Confederacy.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Haudenosaunee.
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Josh Clark
Haudenosaunee Confederacy. The French called it the Iroquois Confederacy, but it was an early model of democracy in action.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Yeah. And if those University of Toledo scholars are right, and the whole thing was established in 1142, that makes it one of the oldest continuously functioning democracies in the world.
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Josh Clark
Amazing.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
It's up there with the government of Iceland, the Swiss cantons, and I said continuously operating. It still functions as a government entity in upstate New York and issues passports. So it's been going since possibly 1142. And the whole reason we're talking about this is because at that meeting in 1142 of those five nations that came together to form a treaty, two of the leaders of this treaty meeting, I guess Dagana Wida, who is a Huron, and Hiawatha, who is either a Mohawk or an Onondaga, they said, hey, everybody, just to kind of keep everything peaceful and on the level, let's all bury our weapons under this white pine tree and just leave them there during this meeting and we can dig them up afterward. But they couldn't dig them up, Chuck, could they?
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Josh Clark
No, they thought, this is a nice symbol, and it also has a side benefit that no one's going to get murdered, probably. And a river, an underground river, came and washed them away. And so they all said, hey, this is like kismet. I don't even know what that word means, but this was meant to be. We buried, literally buried our weapons, and they were washed away underground. So this is a charmed treaty and a charmed joining of nations.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
So that whole practice spread pretty quickly among the Iroquois language family tribes where, like, if you were having, like, a peace treaty meeting, like, the two groups would bury their weapons of war. And then, like I said, the proximity of the Europeans allowed ideas to spread. And this was definitely one of them. The Brits, the French, the Dutch, later on, the Americans, they all actually, like, buried weapons when they were engaged in peace treaty talks with different Native American tribes. And what was interesting is that some Native American tribes that had nothing to do with the Iroquois had never probably even met Iroquois or Haudenosaunee, I should say. The Americans buried The hatchet with those tribes as well. So in that sense, the Americans actually spread a Native American idea from one group to another group of Native Americans who'd never even met. I find that fascinating.
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Josh Clark
Totally. Down here in the Southeast with the Chickasaw, they were burying hatchets in Alabama and Mississippi. And yeah, it's pretty interesting how a custom can spread like that. The 1790s was basically when it became sort of a common phrase in North America among English speakers. And everyone still uses it. Like people still say, bury the hatchet.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Why not bury the tomahawk?
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Josh Clark
Well, that's a good question. You would think that a tomahawk would be a little more correct. But the tomahawk was, I believe, Algonquin. We talked about the Algonquin Hotel recently, Right?
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Yeah. By Hyatt.
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Josh Clark
That's right. Oh, man. This very symbolic. It was not an Iroquois word at all, so. That's right.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
No. And apparently the Seneca had a word, Gajiwa. So you would probably more accurately say bury the Gajiwa.
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Josh Clark
Bury the Gajiwa.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
So there you go. Bury the hatchet. Literal stuff. How about the next one, Chuck? I love this one. It's short and sweet and it has Shakespeare.
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Josh Clark
That's right. And the phrase is in a pickle.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Yeah. Which means you're in a tight spot, a tough situation, you got a problem, there's a difficulty over your head. Something like that. Right?
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Josh Clark
That's right. And it always struck me as odd, and I think I might have even mentioned this before, that you can be in a pickle, in a jam, and in a stew.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Oh, wow.
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Josh Clark
And it's all kind of the same thing. And it's all food related.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
It is. But all of it means you've got a problem, you're in a tight spot. That's what I'm gonna define it as. You're in a tight spot. We're gonna leave it with that. And it was Shakespeare that came up with this one.
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Josh Clark
Yeah. So you mentioned Shakespeare. The great played the Tempest. There's a line from in the play from Trinculo to Alonzo. I have been in such a pickle since I saw you last. I fear me will never out of my bones. I shall not fear fly blowing.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Very nice. Shall I translate?
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Josh Clark
Please.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
So Trinculo has been saying he's been totally trashed since the last time he saw Alonzo. And he's drunk so much that he's concerned it's never going to get it out of his system. And that even after he dies, the flies won't even Touch his corpse because it'll be so preserved by all the alcohol that he's drunk. He was in a pickle, which doesn't quite make sense. What does that still mean, as in a pickle? But it does make sense when you trace it back a little further. Shakespeare actually borrowed this phrase, introduced it to English, but he borrowed the sentiment and the phrase from the Dutch, who had their own little phrase in de Pecklesitten for Dutch.
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Josh Clark
That is remarkably readable.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
It really is. There's no rando J somewhere. It's just all pretty straightforward.
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Josh Clark
Yeah.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
So in this sense, though, Chuck Peckel, it doesn't mean the pickle, it means the pickle Brine.
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Josh Clark
Yeah. So, I mean, this is also has to do with. If you say you're drunk, you were pickled. That's sort of along the similar lines of what that means, right, that you're sort of soaking in that pickle brine.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Exactly. You're preserved by the alcohol, just like a pickle would be by the brine.
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Josh Clark
Exactly.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
But the thing is, that's not what in a pickle means. In a pickle means in a tight spot. So at some point, 100, 200 years after Shakespeare, Samuel Pepys, I think that's how you say his name. I've only ever seen it written, but he was famous for his diary. And one of the entries in his diary in 1660, he says that his house is in a pickle, meaning that's in a sorry state, in bad shape, because it was under construction. And so Samuel Pepys was the one who kind of took that term and ended up setting it free, letting it evolve into being in a hard place, a bad state.
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Josh Clark
Amazing. And you know what? I actually get to follow up on the Shakespeare episode when I was shouting out my great English professor who translated just like you just translated, somebody wrote in. You can always count on a listener. Someone who was at park hall, the English building, around the same time I was said, I betcha it was Jon Vance. And I looked him up, and lo and behold, John Vance, former professor, Department of English, now retired and writing novels.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Oh, yeah? What kind of novels?
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Josh Clark
I read an article from, like four or five years ago writing parody novels based on his professorship.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Erotic parody novel?
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Josh Clark
I don't think so. But she said that she'd try and get the word to him that I was shouting him out. But I just decided to do it on the show, so.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Very nice.
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Josh Clark
John Vance, if you're out there and you hear this, you were one of the best English teachers I ever had.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Very nice, Chuck. I don't think there's anything we can do but follow that with a break because that's great stuff.
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All.
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Josh Clark
Right, so we got a few more to drop on your head and one is one that we actually messed up and that is the old slippery slope which I think a lot of people over the years and I had heard it before you said it have attributed to a Supreme Court justice, but that's not the case, right?
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Daniel Murgatroyd
No, I couldn't see exactly where it came from or even what justice is used at when but I did see it goes at least back to the 19th century. But I think what's more interesting about it Chuck, is it's actually a Logical fallacy. And it has its own name, the slippery slope argument. And basically everybody who's walking around using the phrase slippery slope is using it correctly. It just basically means if we do something, take one or two steps, we're entering a dangerous situation that could end in catastrophe just from taking that first or second step.
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Josh Clark
Yeah. It's a phrase that I have always loathed. I think if you say something is a slippery slope, it's always. It's never like, hey, if, you know, if your kid's hanging out with the kids smoking by the dumpster, it's a slippery slope and they could end up smoking too. Like, that makes sense. It always is some really far off extreme where you say, then your kid's gonna end up on heroin one day if they hung out with the kids smoking by the dumpster.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Right.
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Josh Clark
It's always taken to this really far extreme. And it seems like it's used a lot in political arguments where just the dumbest things are said about, you know, if we allow gay marriage, then what's to stop us from marrying our pets and things like that? It's just. It's so infuriating.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
It is. And you're right. I think you kind of nailed it. Like, it goes from we could try this to catastrophic problems.
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Josh Clark
Yeah.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
And the reason it does that is because the slippery slope argument is. Is used to scare somebody else into agreement.
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Josh Clark
That's right.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
It's basically saying, like, hey, this new thing that you're talking about sounds great on its face, but do you realize that if we do that, the world will literally end and the other person goes, oh, well, I don't want the world to end, so we should probably not do that thing I was suggesting.
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Josh Clark
That's right. And what the problem is, as far as the logical fallacy goes, is you are predicting an outcome that cannot be predicted. It's literally just sort of making something up to scare people into submission of not doing anything.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Yeah. There's a guy named James Graff who wrote an article about it in the week in 2013. And he said the reason why it just doesn't make sense is because he said there's no reason to reject doing one thing just because it might open the door for some undesirable extremes. Permitting A does not suspend our ability to say, but not B and certainly not Z.
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Josh Clark
Exactly.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Down the line. And he also points out something I think is really important too, that if you. With the slippery slope argument, the whole point is to say all these terrible things can happen. And if you just Focus on that. You're never going to do anything.
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Josh Clark
That's right. Scared into inaction.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Exactly. Nice. And the thing about the slippery slope argument is the more you look for it, the more you see it everywhere. I mean, it is everywhere. And once you realize what's actually being done to your psyche, it's kind of annoying at that point.
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Josh Clark
Agreed.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Yeah. So you're right to loathe it. I think I'm with you on that.
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Josh Clark
All right, so moving on to a phrase that I always very stupidly assumed was French. Que sera sera, the great song, Whatever will be will be. For some reason, it always sounded French in my head, but now that I'm looking at it, que Q U e is clearly like some variation of Italian or Spanish. I don't know why I always thought it was French. It just sounded French to me.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
It does sound French. You're absolutely right. Other people think Italian, maybe. Sure. What's interesting is it's. It's both. It's also neither. And it's gibberish, it turns out, in both languages. But the upshot of the meaning of Que sera sera is that the way it's translated is whatever will be, will be. And it's. It's a reminder to kind of take, like a relaxed attitude toward life. Take life as it comes. Accept it and enjoy it. You can't. You can't really predict the future. Don't try, try, you'll just fail. That kind of thing.
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Josh Clark
That's right. And it comes from the Hitchcock film the man who Knew Too Much, and it was sung by Doris Day very famously in that movie. Became a big, big hit for Doris Day. But it was written by Jay Livingston and Ray Evans, who were very. I don't know about how famous famous they were, but within the industry, well regarded as kind of pumping out these big hits during the heyday of this sort of songwriting. What was the. We did a podcast on it.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
The Tin Pan Alley.
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Josh Clark
Tin Pan Alley.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Was this then? I thought Tin Pan Alley was way earlier.
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Josh Clark
No, I don't think so.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Okay, well, these guys would be Tin Pan Alley all the way then. Agreed.
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Josh Clark
I might be wrong, but they had big hits with Mona Lisa, Men have Known you and Silver Bells. A great Christmas song.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Yeah.
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Josh Clark
The theme to Bonanza. Another great song. The theme to Mr. Ed. A horse is a Horse. Of course. Of course.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Yeah. Aunt Jay Livingston, one of the writers, was the voice of Mr. Ed, too.
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Josh Clark
Mr. Ed. I always heard a rumor that they put peanut butter in Mr. Ed's mouth to make him flap his gums. Like that.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
And he hated peanut butter.
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Josh Clark
Horse loves peanut butter. So they wrote the song for the Hitchcock movie, but they actually kind of stole the phrase. Not actually kind of. They definitely stole the phrase from another movie, the Barefoot Contessa.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
I'd like to say inspired. I think they do, too. But in that movie, Ava Gardner's character, her family motto is inscribed on her Italian via villa, and it's Que sera sera, but they spelled it C H E. And what's interesting is the guy who wrote and directed the Barefoot Contessa, Joseph Mankiewicz, who. I think that's the guy that they made Mank about, right? That's one and the same, yeah. He apparently did his homework because Que sera sera did originate as a family motto, not in Italy, but with the first Earl of Bedford in England in the 16th century, interestingly enough.
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Jerry
Right.
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Josh Clark
So put a pin in that. Livingston and Evans are inspired enough by this phrase to immediately write this song and then wait a couple of weeks for Hitchcock to come calling, because I guess they want to make it seem like they really took their time with it and came up with a true original for Hitchcock, for Hitch.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Right. Yeah.
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Josh Clark
And I don't understand this response from Hitchcock. Is this what he really said? I don't quite get it.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
His quote was, gentlemen, I didn't know what kind of song I wanted. And that is the kind of song I want.
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Josh Clark
Okay. Just a little clumsy, I guess.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
It is a little clumsy. You could also take it as, like, a subtle dig. Oh, yeah, I could. Believe me.
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Josh Clark
The song was a big hit. The movie was a big hit. Like I said, Doris Day, who apparently did not like it at first, but it's a song that's really closely associated with her because she, you know, sang it over and over in performances over the years. But it was a number two hit in the US number one in Britain, and won Best Original Song in 1956 at the Oscars.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Right. So huge song. Why is it gibberish? Is the big question that we face now.
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Josh Clark
Right, right.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
So the Earl of Bedford, the motto, Que sera sera, C H E S A R A S A R A. It is Italian, and it does mean in Italian what will be will be.
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Josh Clark
Okay, so that's what the words mean, but it's not grammatically correct, right?
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Daniel Murgatroyd
No, it should be Kelke, Sera, sera. And the reason why is because K means what? And sera sera means will be. Will be. But what is almost like if you were saying what, like in English as a response to somebody calling your name, will be, will be. It Makes about that much sense grammatically. Whereas if you say quelque sera sera, you're saying the things that will be will be. And that makes much more sense.
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Josh Clark
Right, but they changed it. Livingston and Evans changed it to a more sort of Spanish sounding thing by spelling it Q U E S E R A S E R A. But that's not grammatically correct either. Right. So they still messed it up.
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Jerry
Up.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Yeah. For the same reason. Because Italian and Spanish are both very closely related Romance languages. Yeah. You should say loke sara sera. Same thing. The things that will be will be. It just doesn't make sense. And again, it makes sense, but it makes sense in the way that like the Earl of Bedford probably hired an English translator who got his hands on an Italian dictionary, looked up the word what and looked up the word for what, for what will be will be, and then said that didn't do any of his grammatical research and neither did Livingston and Evans, but it doesn't matter, apparently.
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Josh Clark
Agreed. And that along with our last one, which we're going to talk about here in a sec, begs the question, are two that I think are often begs the question certainly is often said incorrectly. And people often also jump on it and say, you know, you really mean. Raises the question, not begs the question. I don't hear as many people when someone says que sera sera saying actually that's grammatically incorrect.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
It's true for sure.
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Josh Clark
So just a little word of friendly advice from your older friend here. If like correcting someone isn't super cool, but. But telling someone a cool story about an origin is another way to do it in a more tactful way. Like instead of saying que sera sera is grammatically incorrect, what you could say is like, you know, que sera. There's a cool story behind this. And you're still sort of correcting, but in a gentler way.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Yeah. And if you're starting out with wrong, like, you really have some work to do. Oh God, go back to the drawing board.
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Josh Clark
Yeah.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
So thank you, by the way. I needed to hear that as well, along with the listeners you were speaking to.
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Josh Clark
Because we've said begs the question before.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Yeah.
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Josh Clark
And I know that you've even self corrected and said, I mean raises the question, but it's sort of one of those things that over the years people have mistranslated. Begs the question to where everyone gets it now.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Yeah, but like the way that everybody uses it, which is wrong, it makes sense. Which is it's a statement that raises a question.
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Josh Clark
Right.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
And an example is everyone Looking over the menu begs the question, what's everyone going to order? Right.
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Josh Clark
Sure.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
That is not at all what begs the question really means. But because so many people use it that way now, that is what it means. But that means there's also an original meaning, too, that actually is closer to correct or at the very least, worth mentioning.
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Josh Clark
Yeah. And also the answer is always French onion soup, so people shouldn't even be asking anyway.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
I don't know. I've had some bad French onion soup, man.
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Josh Clark
What?
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Yeah, I love French onion soup. Like, you could put a salt lick in some with some beef bouillon cube, and I would probably like it. I've still had bad French onions soup.
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Josh Clark
Now, what does that mean? They just didn't get a good crust on that cheese on top or what?
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Daniel Murgatroyd
No, like, the taste was rank, like something bad happened. But by the way, I've got to shout somebody out. Chuck. We had a listener named Ryan, I believe, and Ryan is a chef who wrote in and said, hey, man, don't give up on your homemade beef stock, okay? You left out a step. And he. He basically said, you want to reduce it by half? And I was like, that's exactly right. That's 100% right. The beef stock. Once you make the beef stock and you have it done, I immediately froze it, and it was super watery and tasteless. And he said, no, you want to reduce it by half. You concentrate it and then use that, and my hat's off to him for the rest of my life. So thanks a lot, Ryan. I believe, who wrote in and let me know about that.
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Josh Clark
I had beef bone broth for lunch.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Oh, yeah.
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Josh Clark
From my friends at the oh, so Good Company. I'm hoping they hear this and send me free broth because it's expensive.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure. What's it. What's the name of it?
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Josh Clark
Oh, so good. You get it shipped frozen. And it's really, really good quality broth.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
I'll take some, too. And I was right. It was Ryan Thompson who wrote in to let me know about that.
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Josh Clark
Awesome. That's good. Especially. Well. Well, never mind. We just missed. We just had Thanksgiving, and I was gonna say, if you're gonna make your turkey stock, but by this time. When is this gonna come out?
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Mid December.
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Josh Clark
All right. You might make another turkey.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Sure.
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Josh Clark
Reduced by half.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Yes, reduce by half. We're gonna make T shirts that say that.
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Josh Clark
Can we get to Aristotle, though?
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Yes, excellent idea. So we raise Aristotle, because he was the one that, well, I guess raised the original meaning of begs the question. And it's a little bit of circular logic that he pointed out that sometimes people use. Right?
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Josh Clark
That's right. He called it petitio principi.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Come on. That's close enough to Italian that you could do it like that.
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Josh Clark
Which is basically the use of an argument that uses the in endpoint as proof itself. And was this your example with ice cream?
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Daniel Murgatroyd
How could you tell?
- [48:16]
Josh Clark
Well, because I've never heard of Superman ice cream, and I just sounds like something you would say.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Apparently it's Midwestern.
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Josh Clark
Okay. Neapolitan.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
No, it's very colorful. It's gaudy. It's in garish. It's so colorful. And the flavors are not Neapolitan flavors.
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Josh Clark
Okay, okay. I thought it meant it was divided into three different flavors.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
No, no, it's all swirled together and it's very pretty. Yeah. So Superman ice cream. A good example would be Superman ice cream is the best ice cream because it's the best.
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Josh Clark
Right.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
That would be petitio principe, which is that you're using the point you're trying to make as evidence of the point. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever. But people do that a lot. And Aristotle said, nein, no more.
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Josh Clark
Yeah. The only time you can do that is if you're trying to be funny and just say like, you know, the original Ghostbusters is the best because it's the best.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
I guess.
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Josh Clark
So then you're making a joke, unless you're eight.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
And I think that's who Aristotle was really targeting with this.
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Josh Clark
So here's where it gets somewhat interesting, although I also thought the other was interesting. But in Latin, petitio principe means request the principle, which means Aristotle's use of it assuming the initial point. But apparently this was just like a bad translation, right?
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Yes, absolutely terrible bad translation by some 16th century Europeans who said, oh, request the principle. Well, request also kind of means beg in English. And the principle, we could just substitute the question for that. And so petitio principi in English now means beg the question, even though it makes no sense, especially when you realize that it's supposed to mean request the principal or assuming the initial point.
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Josh Clark
That's right.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
And that's it that it's as easy as that. And as a matter of fact, it's as easy to understand as the. The popular use of begs the question as like a statement that raises a question. It's just not explained. Like, people don't explain it unless you use it wrong. And you just happen to be near a prescriptivist who's bonkers.
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Josh Clark
Yeah. And not to yuck the prescriptivist. Yum. Because there are people that are very defensive of words, and language is somewhat sacred. I'm not one of them, but, you know, if that's your thing, just don't be obnoxious about it.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
We need to do an episode on prescriptivist versus descriptivist.
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Josh Clark
I agree.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
So do you want to end with this little anecdote about translations? Because you can make a case that the translation of Begs the question is one of the worst of all time into English.
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Josh Clark
Yeah, this is pretty fun. The great Jimmy Carter, former US president in 1981, went to Japan on a visit and was getting big laughs at this anecdote he told about at this small Methodist college out in the country. And I think laughs so much that he was like, what's going on here?
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Yeah.
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Josh Clark
And so as the translator, like, why was everyone laughing so hard at this story that was that funny? And what did the translator say?
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Daniel Murgatroyd
The translator said that his exact words to the public were, president Carter told a funny story. Everyone must laugh. And the Japanese went wild.
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Josh Clark
You could only do that to Jimmy Carter.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
I know, I know. I'm sure he thought that was hilarious, too.
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Josh Clark
Of course. What a great guy.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
He was a great guy. Is he still around?
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Josh Clark
He's still going. He, I believe. Did Rosalind pass away?
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Daniel Murgatroyd
I think so. Yes.
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Josh Clark
No, she's still alive, too.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Oh, okay. Yeah. Sorry, guys.
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Josh Clark
She's 95 and he's 98. My Lord.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
But, yeah, they still go to Braves games and do stuff. I think he still teaches Sunday school and all that stuff.
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Josh Clark
Very cool.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Yep. So that's our episode on Jimmy Carter, everybody.
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Josh Clark
We should do it on Jimmy Carter.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Yeah, why not? He's definitely worth an episode. You got anything else about Jimmy Carter or phrases?
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Josh Clark
No, but a good listener mail, that kind of dovetails.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Okay, well, hold on, hold on. Since Chuck started talking about listener mail, obviously it's time for listener mail.
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Josh Clark
Yeah. I didn't even plan this. This is perfect. Hey, guys. Love the show. In the Typewriter episode, you were making suggestions on license plates, and Chuck suggested balls out. B, A, L, Z, O, U, T. There might be the right amount of vulgar, but the assumption is that balls out refers to testicles. That is not true at all. The true origin of the saying is way more fun and not at all vulgar. Many machines use a centrifugal. I hate that word, governor. To regulate the speed that something is spinning. And old timey ones, you had two weighted balls on the end of Sticks spinning around. You've probably seen this before, right? No, you would. If you saw it, you'd recognize it.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Okay.
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Josh Clark
It's like two balls, like, spinning in a circle.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
I mean, I can imagine that, but I can't place it under the hood of a car.
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Josh Clark
It's not in a car. This is more like a machine in a factory or something.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Oh, Centrifugal force.
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Josh Clark
They're a classic detail to include on cartoon machinery, and you would know it if you saw it. See there? The faster the machine is spinning, the further the two balls stick out to the side. So when a machine is running at a high speed, it's called Running Balls out because the balls are sticking straight out from the sides of the governor.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
That's awesome.
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Josh Clark
So in my mind, Balls out is a fantastic custom license plate, especially if the driver tends to have a heavy foot. Again, love the show. Keep the good stuff coming. Peace from Ben.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Peace. Ben, thank you for that. That was a great one. I still cannot imagine it in any kind of machine. I don't know what he's talking about, but I understand what he means. Right.
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Josh Clark
Just Google Centrifugal governor.
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Daniel Murgatroyd
Okay, I will. And if you want to be like Ben and say peace, you can email us. Send it to stuff podcast@iheartradio.com.
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Josh Clark
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- [54:47]
Stephanie
Let's talk about moderate to severe obstructive sleep apnea, or osa, in adults with obesity. Doesn't sound familiar. Think about how you've been sleeping lately. If you've had nights where you've been told you snore loudly or choke or gasp for air and then wake up feeling tired, it may be due to OSA.
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Jerry
In the US moderate to severe OSA affects around 24 million adults. Many are adults with obesity, and most cases remain undiagnosed and untreated.
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Stephanie
Don't sleep on the symptoms.
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Josh Clark
Learn more@don'tsleeponosa.com this information is provided by Lilly USA, LLC. You're listening to an iHeart podcast.