Selects: The Disappearance of Flight MH370, Part II

Summary

Stuff You Should Know: The Disappearance of Flight MH370, Part II Release Date: August 9, 2025

In the second installment of the "The Disappearance of Flight MH370," hosts Josh Clark and Chuck Bryant delve deeper into one of aviation’s most perplexing mysteries. This episode meticulously examines the post-crash investigations, unprecedented search efforts, and the myriad theories that have emerged in the wake of the plane’s vanishing.

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1. Post-Crash Investigations: Leadership and Challenges

The episode opens with a discussion on the initial aftermath of MH370's disappearance. Josh emphasizes the significant shortcomings in the Malaysian authorities' response.

Josh Clark [02:18]: "This was very, very not good. And there seems to be the broadly accepted reason for the whole thing being bungled with was that Malaysia at the time was a dictatorship and you could disappear if you weren't doing your job very well or if you offended the people in charge."

Chuck concurs, highlighting the government's reluctance to handle the situation transparently.

Chuck Bryant [03:53]: "Yeah. So they certainly didn't want the bad press. It was sure to follow."

2. The Search Efforts: Australian-Led Multinational Team

The hosts detail the extensive and costly search operations spearheaded by Australia, involving multiple nations.

Chuck Bryant [04:20]: "We know now that this plane crashed in the South Indian Ocean and it took a week before they were looking in the South Indian Ocean."

Josh Clark [05:03]: "And I think it was the most and still is the most expensive search in aviation history."

Despite exhaustive efforts covering 120,000 square miles, the search yielded minimal results, leading to widespread skepticism about the possibility of finding the wreckage.

3. Ocean Infinity's Involvement and Technological Advancements

Introducing Ocean Infinity, a Texas-based private agency, the hosts discuss their state-of-the-art technology and significant contributions to the search.

Chuck Bryant [10:37]: "Ocean Infinity from Texas... they call it seabed intelligence. It’s like James Cameron style stuff."

Josh Clark [12:25]: "Ocean Infinity has a great track record of finding stuff... but they still couldn't find any such thing."

Despite deploying advanced tools like autonomous drones and high-resolution sonar, Ocean Infinity also failed to locate MH370, underscoring the enormity of the Southern Indian Ocean.

4. Independent Internet Sleuths and Their Contributions

A pivotal segment focuses on the role of independent groups and Internet sleuths in advancing the search for MH370.

Chuck Bryant [13:05]: "This is their chance to really get involved and try and do some good."

Josh highlights the technical prowess of these enthusiasts, many of whom hold advanced degrees and have a deep understanding of aviation technologies.

Josh Clark [13:43]: "They were relying on it to some extent."

These groups not only provided invaluable data analysis but also pressured authorities to maintain transparency, playing a critical role in keeping the investigation active.

5. Discovery of Wreckage and Debris Findings

The hosts recount the significant yet sporadic discoveries of debris from MH370, which gradually narrowed down the probable crash site.

Chuck Bryant [20:31]: "It was found on Reunion island off of Madagascar... the serial numbers confirmed it. So it was definitely from MH370."

Josh Clark [24:09]: "All we can say is that the plane didn't descend quickly, didn't catch fire, didn't hit water. Because some of those transmitters are supposed to go off when they hit water."

These findings confirmed the plane’s descent into the Indian Ocean but also highlighted the challenges in recovering or analyzing the wreckage.

6. Theories About Captain Shah and Possible Suicide

A significant portion of the discussion revolves around Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, the pilot, and theories suggesting his involvement in the disappearance.

Chuck Bryant [25:50]: "All indications point that it was the captain of the airplane himself."

Josh Clark [29:45]: "They were able to get into the flights that he flew preceding this disappearance... the only one where he jumped forward like a podcast commercial."

The hosts explore evidence suggesting that Captain Shah may have deliberately redirected the flight over the Indian Ocean, drawing parallels to other cases where pilots have crashed planes intentionally.

Chuck Bryant [33:00]: "There were at least four times pilots have killed their passengers."

7. Conspiracy Theories Surrounding MH370

Acknowledging the multitude of theories, Josh and Chuck navigate through various speculations that have surfaced due to the lack of concrete evidence.

Josh Clark [40:44]: "It's like, if you can't explain something like a disappeared airliner, people go onto the Internet and write books and say, here's what really happened."

The duo critically examines theories ranging from cyber hijackings and false-flag operations to alien abductions, ultimately underscoring the importance of evidence-based conclusions.

Chuck Bryant [43:53]: "It's one of the most despicable things you can possibly do."

8. Listener Mail: A Heartwarming Rescue Story

Intertwined with the heavy content is a touching listener story about CPR life-saving, illustrating the podcast's commitment to sharing meaningful experiences.

Tyler Elliott [45:09]: "Without your podcast, I likely would have been burying my wife instead of visiting her in the hospital."

Josh and Chuck respond with heartfelt empathy, emphasizing the podcast’s real-world impact.

Josh Clark [47:37]: "Sending out the best vibes into the universe."

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Conclusion

"The Disappearance of Flight MH370, Part II" offers an in-depth exploration of the complexities surrounding one of aviation's greatest mysteries. Through comprehensive analysis, expert insights, and a balanced discussion of prevailing theories, Josh Clark and Chuck Bryant provide listeners with a nuanced understanding of the ongoing quest to uncover the truth behind MH370’s disappearance.

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Notable Quotes:

• Josh Clark [02:18]: "This was very, very not good. And there seems to be the broadly accepted reason for the whole thing being bungled with was that Malaysia at the time was a dictatorship and you could disappear if you weren't doing your job very well or if you offended the people in charge."

• Chuck Bryant [10:37]: "Ocean Infinity from Texas... they call it seabed intelligence. It’s like James Cameron style stuff."

• Josh Clark [29:45]: "They were able to get into the flights that he flew preceding this disappearance... the only one where he jumped forward like a podcast commercial."

• Tyler Elliott [45:09]: "Without your podcast, I likely would have been burying my wife instead of visiting her in the hospital."

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This summary encapsulates the critical discussions and insights presented in the podcast episode, providing a comprehensive overview for those who haven't listened.

Transcript

[Chuck Bryant]

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[Josh Clark]

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[Josh Clark]

Hey everybody, it's me, Josh, and I've said it before and I'll say it again, the disappearance of MH370 is one of the biggest mysteries in aviation history. In the second part we talk about the investigation into the disappearance and the theories of what might have happened. Hope you enjoy.

[Chuck Bryant]

Welcome to Stuff youf Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

[Josh Clark]

Hey and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant. And this is part two of two about MH370, the most mysterious disappearance of any airliner in the history of modern aviation.

[Chuck Bryant]

That's right. We won't do a full recap, but where we're picking up now is. No, no wait, you want to do a full recap?

[Josh Clark]

20 minutes easy.

[Chuck Bryant]

We are at the point where the plane has crashed and we're going to pick up with post crash investigations which like many airline crash investigations was bungled in a lot of ways.

[Josh Clark]

Oh yeah. So Ed points out that like kind of oddly that there are a lot of crash investigations you can point to that, you know, kind of deferred toward the airline manufacturer when they were at fault or tried to do some cover up or was not great. None of Them, from what I can tell compared to this one, no.

[Chuck Bryant]

Agreed.

[Josh Clark]

This was very, very not good. And there seems to be the roundly accepted reason for the whole thing being bungled with was that Malaysia at the time was a dictatorship and you could disappear if you weren't doing your job very well or if you offended the people in charge. And a crash of a Malaysian's airline flight in particular was kind of a dicey thing to talk about because Malaysian Airlines was the pride of Malaysia and it was at the time a government, largely government owned and controlled airline, a state owned airline. Malaysia was the majority owner of state and it was publicly traded. Malaysia Airlines was. But they owned the majority of it. They called the shots. And after 2014, which proved to be a terrible year by any airline standards because not only was MH370, did it vanish. MH17 was shot down over Ukraine the same year, just less than six months later, the Malaysian government set about buying back all of the shares that were outstanding of Malaysian Airlines and, and took it off of public listing. Made it a fully stay known company.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah. So they certainly didn't want the bad press. It was sure to follow.

[Josh Clark]

No. So there's a lot of people who say the Malaysian government covered this up not because they did anything nefarious, but because they were worried that something embarrassing was gonna come out. And this is not a government that could handle embarrassment very well. And so they literally obfuscated the investigation into what happened to MH370.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah. So the first problem here is we know now that this plane crashed in the South Indian Ocean and it took a week before they were looking in the South Indian Ocean. So the first 24 hours was in the South China Sea between Malaysia and Vietnam. They ended up hooking up and creating a joint agency coordination center, or actually Australia is who created that. And they led the search efforts because it was close to them and they found no trace. Even after they did all this ocean floor mapping, searching, you know, they had that seventh arc pegged, searched all along there.

[Josh Clark]

120,000 square miles.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah. Which is, you know, even if you find that seventh ark, and you know it's somewhere in here, that's still a vast, vast area. And this thing is on the bottom of the ocean at this point.

[Josh Clark]

And we should say it, by this time, Australia has stepped up and been like, well, this happened not too far from us. I guess we're the closest major country, certainly western democracy in this area. We'll head this up. Malaysia will help you out. And they footed a Lot of the bill, which was pretty cool for Australia.

[Chuck Bryant]

60 million bucks.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah. From what I'm saying. Yeah. And I think it was the most and still is the most expensive search in aviation history.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah.

[Josh Clark]

Which is kind of surprising. You'd think that more would have been spent. But I think they usually find them sooner than this. This was not found.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah.

[Josh Clark]

They searched for two solid years for this thing. Just on that seventh ark.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah.

[Josh Clark]

There's a lot of people who at the time were like, no. You know how it forms a circle? Well, there's a northern arc and a southern arc. And some people said, no northern arc. Somewhere it's in Kazakhstan. The southern ark was in the Indian Ocean. Most people said it's probably the southern ark.

[Chuck Bryant]

Right.

[Josh Clark]

So that's where they searched and they still didn't find it.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah. And it took so long to even get there. By that point, there were a lot of things. If you had that first 24 hours, it's sort of like a murder investigation. That first day is so key.

[Josh Clark]

The first 48.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah. Is it 48? I'm narrowing it down to 24, buddy.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah.

[Chuck Bryant]

Okay, so Malaysia then heads up, what's called a joint investigation team. The US Was involved. China, Britain and France.

[Josh Clark]

This was the one that was meant to follow the protocols of just the internationally agreed upon accident investigation to make air traffic safer for everybody. And Malaysia did not help out very well.

[Chuck Bryant]

No. So they issued. The Malaysian Ministry of Transport issued a preliminary and a final report. The preliminary report, Ed describes as more or less a reprint of the Boeing 777 manual. Just like. Well, here was the plane, which I.

[Josh Clark]

Think is kind of standard to have technical information.

[Chuck Bryant]

But this is the whole report.

[Josh Clark]

Right.

[Chuck Bryant]

And then the second one, the final report, basically pointed out where air traffic control failed along the way.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah. And I saw in that language article that they were, politically speaking, the easiest targets. They were not going to. There wasn't going to be any backlash by kind of taking them to task, especially taking the Ho Chi Minh air traffic controllers to task, too. They should have been taking the task. 18 minutes is a very long time to let an airliner in your jurisdiction just be disappeared.

[Chuck Bryant]

Right.

[Josh Clark]

So that was a big problem. But the Malaysian Air force also should have been criticized for covering up the fact that they hadn't done anything for an hour, that they were tracking this. This unidentified airplane in their airspace and let an entire search, multinational search be mounted in the South China Sea. Yeah.

[Chuck Bryant]

In the wrong place for like a.

[Josh Clark]

Couple of days before. They were like, actually, yeah. We we think they went this way.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah. You know, because it takes a long time to even assemble that kind of search squad.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah.

[Chuck Bryant]

So I think if they searched for two days and didn't get start till a week later, that's like four days just to move.

[Josh Clark]

Right. And so in that time, an oil slick, a debris field, all that stuff can just vanish. And an airliner really can, in an area the size of the Indian Ocean, especially even when you know where to look, can just disappear. And that is why a lot of people say we will probably never find MH370. There's another couple of reasons why, too.

[Chuck Bryant]

Are we gonna get to those?

[Josh Clark]

Sure.

[Chuck Bryant]

Okay. The police in Malaysia and this bore a little bit of fruit. They conducted some background checks on everyone on the plane and they did find two passengers who were Iranians that had stolen passports. Apparently they were just seeking political asylum, though. Although that does factor into some of the conspiracy theories that pop up later on.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah. Anytime you have two Iranian nationals traveling under fake passports on a plane that disappeared, some people are going to say, sure, I don't know about that.

[Chuck Bryant]

Exactly. And then here was the one thing about their final report from the police is they described Captain Zaharie basically saying like, this guy was great. Nothing wrong. He was a great pilot. Nothing to alarm anybody here about Captain Zaharie.

[Josh Clark]

Nothing to see here.

[Chuck Bryant]

And that's in the final report. And we'll get to him. But that does not appear to be true.

[Josh Clark]

No. So after the search, after two years and $160 million and 120,000. Sorry, 120,000 square kilometers, I think it said square miles. Still a lot of square miles. Searched the Australians, the Malaysians and the Chinese that made up the tripartite commission that were kind of running the show in this. The search said, officially, we don't know what happened. All we can say is that we believe MH370 ended somewhere in the southern Indian Ocean. That was. That's the official stance on what happened to a vanished airliner. That they said, we don't know. And that's as far as we're going to go.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah. And I do want to point out quickly, there was one private agency called in, or I think volunteered, called Ocean Infinity from Texas. Yeah. They performed a search basically pro bono. If they find the plane, they get paid. But just as a sort of a nerd in this way, I looked into that company. They are awesome.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah, they are.

[Chuck Bryant]

It's really cool, man. They are. They call it seabed intelligence. And it's like James Cameron style stuff. The resources and the, the toys that these dudes play with. It's pretty, pretty cool.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah. They'll have a mothership. Well, at least this is what they did for the MH370 search. They have a mothership and I think the mothership goes through and maps the Underwater terrain in 3D first and then that forms their search area. They release some autonomous drones.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah, they look like torpedoes.

[Josh Clark]

Yep. But they're drones that can be controlled from this mothership. And they go through and scan using sonar. It can detail the seabed.

[Chuck Bryant]

It's so cool. High res photography. It's like really cool stuff.

[Josh Clark]

It works really well. Ocean Infinity has a great track record of finding stuff.

[Chuck Bryant]

They're who I would call.

[Josh Clark]

They found like a missing submarine from Argentina. They found a bunch of other things. I would call them too, by the way.

[Chuck Bryant]

We should get them on the. We should hire them out for the Tybee island nuke.

[Josh Clark]

We totally should. I'm surprised they haven't just done that for fun.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah.

[Josh Clark]

As a matter of fact, I think.

[Chuck Bryant]

They should solve a mystery.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah. The broken arrow or the empty quiver.

[Chuck Bryant]

And they're like, we spent how many multi millions of dollars just to say we solved that mystery.

[Josh Clark]

Right.

[Chuck Bryant]

Wait, is someone going to pay us for this?

[Josh Clark]

No, no. They're from Texas. So anytime they find something, they don't think about that. Instead they just shoot their six shooters into the air.

[Chuck Bryant]

That's right. Forgot about that.

[Josh Clark]

Right. So that's fine. That's good enough for them. That's pay enough. But Ocean Infinity? Yeah, they know what they're doing. And they still couldn't find any such thing.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah, they couldn't find it either.

[Josh Clark]

There were some things that were found in the search. Number one, this was uncharted territory. And now huge swaths of it are now mapped. They found an underwater volcano, an enormous one that they had no idea existed before. They found a couple of shipwrecks from the 19th century that had just been totally lost. But they still found no trace whatsoever of MH370 despite two major searches and an official final report from Australia saying, we don't know. We will probably never know. All we can say is that the flight ended almost certainly in the southern Indian Ocean.

[Chuck Bryant]

That's right. And we should shout out the independent group. This is an online group of enthusiasts, Internet sleuths. Yeah. Who got together to try and figure this out. And Ed even pointed out like, you know, you hear Internet sleuths and you're like, come on, get off the tinfoil hat. But it turns out that these people, a lot of them were engineers. They worked in aviation formerly or currently, and they were really interested in trying to help and I think ended up helping in a lot of ways.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah. And even beyond, like tinfoil heads, Internet sleuths can. They've done things like identified John does and Jane Does.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah, for sure.

[Josh Clark]

They've done a lot of cool stuff, but typically they're not qualified in what they're doing. They're just very interested and very dogged in their pursuits. Right. With the independent group. These are actual People with PhDs in electrical engineering and secondary radar and satellites and the stuff that they're doing, they just all happen to come together, bound by their common interest in search for this plane. And if you go and read, I will give you $1,000 if you can make it through one of their blog posts. It's so dense and so scientific. I looked at one of them, but they're so legitimate. The Australian government, when they wrapped up their search, maybe at some point during it, they actually acknowledged and thanked the independent group for their work because they were relying on it to some extent.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah. And I'm sure, like no one ever in this kind of thing or search and rescue, no one ever wants this to happen. But this is their chance to really get involved and try and do some good.

[Josh Clark]

Who? The independent group?

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah, sure.

[Josh Clark]

They also agitated for more transparency in this stuff. And I think they got their hands well. They went a roundabout way. They made friends with some of the family of MH370 just by the families hearing about what they were doing. And from one of the families, they got the raw Inmarsat data at a time when Inmarsat was saying, this actually belongs to Malaysia or Malaysian Airlines. We can't release it. Malaysia was saying, well, no, Inmarsat has to release it. They just went around both and got the raw data and were able to really do some much better calculations than they had before with the raw Inmarsat data.

[Chuck Bryant]

All right, so let's take a break and we'll go start up our own Internet sleuthing concern. Get that ramped up.

[Josh Clark]

What are we going to get to the bottom of? Puppies?

[Chuck Bryant]

Sure.

[Josh Clark]

Okay.

[Chuck Bryant]

Why are they so darn cute?

[Josh Clark]

That sounds like us.

[Chuck Bryant]

All right. We'll be right.

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[Josh Clark]

Okay Chuck, so are we at Wreckage? Not quite yet. I want to talk about the yeah, we are at Wreckage. I think they all tie in nicely to what I was going to say.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah, I mean, because this thing Disappeared. That is not to say there were no traces because we have pieces of this plane now.

[Josh Clark]

Right.

[Chuck Bryant]

There are people sort of like these Internet sleuths that are captured by a story such that they will spend a large portion of their life trying to solve it and looking for stuff and savings. Yeah, sure. A lot of money.

[Josh Clark]

I think by people you really mean person.

[Chuck Bryant]

No, there were a lot of other people. There was one man called Zahid Raza who searched for years and he was murdered in Madagascar.

[Josh Clark]

So his job was as the Malaysian Council to Madagascar. He was like the ambassador to. To Madagascar.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah. And the conspiracy minded will say, no, this guy's finding stuff and they took him out.

[Josh Clark]

So there was a dude who did leave his life in, I think Seattle and moved. Well, actually just started moving around the world, which he did normally anyway. But his name was Blaine Gibson.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah, he's an attorney.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah. He factors big into that William Languish article. He talks about him a lot. But he just became moved by this and decided that he was going to go start finding wreckage. And he has.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah.

[Josh Clark]

I think a third of the debris found from MH370 has been personally found by Blaine Gibson. Just globe trotting, basically.

[Chuck Bryant]

Amazing.

[Josh Clark]

But he figured out if it was the Southern Indian Ocean, then this wreckage is probably going to start to show up somewhere around the southern. The southwest coast of Africa, South Africa, Mozambique, Madagascar. And he was right. And the first piece turned up in 2015. It was a six foot piece of an airplane.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah.

[Josh Clark]

And it was.

[Chuck Bryant]

Can you imagine what he felt like?

[Josh Clark]

No, I can't, as a matter of fact. I mean, looking for this and then.

[Chuck Bryant]

Finding it, it's like searching for a needle in a haystack.

[Josh Clark]

But it was found on Reunion island off of Madagascar. I think it's under the control of Mauritius. And this was a really big deal for a couple of reasons. One, it showed incontrovertibly that the Southern Arc was correct, that it hadn't flown north into Kazakhstan, that the flight had ended in the Indian Ocean.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah, I mean, it showed that it crashed.

[Josh Clark]

That's a big one. It showed that it had broken up. Like it wasn't like a fire or anything like that. It had come apart.

[Chuck Bryant]

Well. And it wasn't secretly landed somewhere because some of those conspiracies get pretty out there.

[Josh Clark]

Right. But the other effect that this had was that it devastated the MH370 families who had been holding out hope because it was disappeared. This airliner vanished. And people were saying, no, it actually is in the air base Diego Garcia under US Control. No, it's under Russian control in Kazakhstan. It's somewhere. Our people are somewhere. Maybe. Maybe there's this hope. This dashed those hopes. And it came a full more than a year after the plane disappeared. So they had been like really holding onto this hope to a desperate degree for more than a year, and then it was dashed.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah.

[Josh Clark]

So it was a big deal when it was found. And that was the first of several pieces that washed up in that area.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah, this was a part of the airplane called a flapperon. It's on the back edge of the wing and it's a control surface, you.

[Josh Clark]

Know, the kind that kind of flaps up and down on it. Yeah, it's a great name for it.

[Chuck Bryant]

It is.

[Josh Clark]

Now I'll know.

[Chuck Bryant]

And the serial numbers confirmed it. So it was definitely from MH370. And then many other pieces have, I think, what, dozens at this point of pieces of plane have been found.

[Josh Clark]

What's creepy is other pieces have been found, but they're not from MH370. It's like, well, what planes are these coming from?

[Chuck Bryant]

Oh, well, yeah, that's creepy. Yeah, I think maybe every. Is there any way to completely tag every square inch of an airplane?

[Josh Clark]

I don't know. I don't know.

[Chuck Bryant]

And not necessarily with a stamp, but I don't know.

[Josh Clark]

No, I know what you mean.

[Chuck Bryant]

Some kind of technology, if there's a.

[Josh Clark]

You could probably attach some sort of marker to atoms eventually and you would be able to tag any part of any plane down to the air.

[Chuck Bryant]

Like, you find a little 4 inch piece of metal and you know what it is.

[Josh Clark]

You just like analyze the atomic makeup and be like, oh, look, MH370.

[Chuck Bryant]

But that's the future, everyone.

[Josh Clark]

That's not too far. Once we get into nanotechnology, that will be commonplace, Although we'll also probably be able to make planes that don't come apart.

[Chuck Bryant]

So the other thing this suggests too is that the plane hit. And we talked earlier about when a plane is descending into an ocean like that, it's going super fast. And this really kind of confirms that. Because they didn't find much wreckage, the plane, these parts probably ripped off on the way down. And most of the plane, fairly intact, hit the ocean and went south very, very fast.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah, right to the bottom.

[Chuck Bryant]

Right to the bottom.

[Josh Clark]

So this also dashed the hopes of the families even further in that those four electronic location transmitters, the life beacons that were supposed to go off and all four failed, some family members and a lot of conspiracy theorists Are saying all four of those failing. No way.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah.

[Josh Clark]

It means that the plane didn't descend quickly, didn't catch fire, didn't hit water. Because some of those transmitters are supposed to go off when they hit water.

[Chuck Bryant]

Right.

[Josh Clark]

But if they broke up on the way down. Because here's the thing, is the planes. If it entered a steep decline at 600 miles an hour, which is about what they think it was cruising at, if it drops from 35,000ft at 600 miles an hour within two minutes, it's going to just break up either on the way down or the moment it hits water. So much so that some of these beacons that are designed for the scenario are not going to function. And there's another. There is one beacon that is designed to go off on impact. It's designed for that kind of thing, but it needs 50 seconds above water to transmit to the satellite. So they think this thing hits so fast that that beacon might have just gone right down underwater and not been able to transmit in that 50 seconds. So it's an explanation that the plane came apart in the southern Indian Ocean, didn't just crash in the southern Indian Ocean, it came into a million pieces in the southern Indian Ocean.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah. And, you know, we mentioned the black boxes in the previous episode. Obviously we don't have these black boxes. They're down there with everything else. Haven't recovered anything like that.

[Josh Clark]

But they think that they probably wouldn't tell much of a story anyway.

[Chuck Bryant]

No. And not unless there was some sort of final communications or something.

[Josh Clark]

That's what it would take. It would take whoever was in charge of the plane at that time, still talking and explaining. And if you were the only person alive on this plane, who would you be talking to?

[Chuck Bryant]

Well, let's go ahead and talk about who this might be, because all indications point that it was the captain of the airplane himself. Captain Shaw.

[Josh Clark]

Yep. Captain Zahari Ahmad Shah.

[Chuck Bryant]

That's right. So the wreckage, basically. I mean, there's a lot of. Lot of clues. Again, we can't say anything for sure. No, but no one ever claimed, you know, it's unlikely that it was terrorists, because one thing terrorists do, which is what makes them terrorists, is claim responsibility.

[Josh Clark]

They like to brag.

[Chuck Bryant]

Well, so everyone knows who it was.

[Josh Clark]

Right.

[Chuck Bryant]

No one did this. No one even falsely did this, which happens sometimes. Yeah, the same can be said for a kidnapping because there are some theories about that, that there were some important people aboard that they wanted to disappear or something.

[Josh Clark]

Right. Like if you were kidnapping somebody, you want them alive and they can't be alive if the plane's in a million pieces in the Southern Indian Ocean.

[Chuck Bryant]

That's right. And there were only two people on that plane who knew and had the knowledge and access to do this stuff. And that was Captain Shah and First Officer Hamid also.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah, there's something really important to point out here too, Chuck. There was no distress call.

[Chuck Bryant]

Right.

[Josh Clark]

And if it was a hijacking between the time that Zaharie said good night. Malaysian370 yes. And the transponder went off at exactly the right time. Right. When it hit a Ho Chi Minh Air traffic controls jurisdiction. It would have taken a minute for terrorists to make their way into the cockpit, which was sealed with an electronic lock super bolted. It would have taken less than a minute at a precise moment in time for terrorists to take control of the plane. That just would not have happened.

[Chuck Bryant]

No, the idea that these two are working together is not very plausible. The idea that it was First Officer Hamid himself is not plausible because like we said, this is a greenhorn. He was just getting started in his career. He was super happy to be to have this job, this great job, flying the pride of Malaysia. Nothing at all points that he had anything to do with this.

[Josh Clark]

No, it doesn't. And also it would have been much harder for him to get Captain Shah out of the cockpit.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah. Like why don't you go take a bathroom break.

[Josh Clark]

Captain Shaw would have been like the boss of you.

[Chuck Bryant]

He's like, no, but seriously, go do it. I'm wondering how Captain Shaw might have gotten him out.

[Josh Clark]

So one thing languish. This is a well I will keep going back to all day long.

[Chuck Bryant]

The languish well.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah. He said that Captain Shaw was known as somebody who wanted to know all the details of what was going on. So it would have been very normal.

[Chuck Bryant]

Just go back and check on something.

[Josh Clark]

Exactly. It would have been very normal. It would have been very easy. And First Officer Hamid would have hopped right up and gone right out of the cockpit. Leaving Shah alone to lock the door. Lock them out.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yep. And that's all it took.

[Josh Clark]

That's all it took.

[Chuck Bryant]

So when you start, we said that the report from the Malaysian police came back as a glowing report for Shah. When you start doing a little digging around, that's not exactly the case. Before this plane disappeared in the months before he had separated from his wife. He was living by himself. Apparently was having an affair with a married woman.

[Josh Clark]

I think a platonic affair, but a weird emotional affair also involved her children that he was really into.

[Chuck Bryant]

Right he apparently was very big on social media, but he did not leave, like, a Facebook post.

[Josh Clark]

No suicide note.

[Chuck Bryant]

No suicide note, no video. And he was on YouTube. He did DIY repair things on YouTube videos, which is pretty remarkable.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah.

[Chuck Bryant]

But here's the big clue to me and everyone else is that Microsoft has this flight simulator that's a lot of fun. I don't know if you've ever played around with one of those.

[Josh Clark]

Not for many, many years.

[Chuck Bryant]

It's a ton of fun. I've crashed tons of planes because it's really hard, as it turns out, to fly one of these. But he loved doing this. He loved flying these. It was one of his hobby was flying this flight sim. So they were able to get into the flights that he flew preceding this disappearance. And one of them really closely matches the flight path of MH370, right into the Indian Ocean. Some people might say, like, hey, listen, that doesn't prove anything. But all the other flights that he had played around with, he took from takeoff to landing. This is the only one where he jumped forward like a podcast commercial.

[Josh Clark]

Don't say that.

[Chuck Bryant]

He's skipping forward in time on that flight alone to see how these fuel calculations were gonna play out and where this plane would be when it ran out of fuel over the Indian Ocean. Flight sim over.

[Josh Clark]

Right.

[Chuck Bryant]

That is so suspicious. Like, I mean, I know you can speculate, but it's almost an open and shut case when you hear that.

[Josh Clark]

It's so suspicious. I saw one member of the independent group said that he left it as a breadcrumb.

[Chuck Bryant]

Oh, interesting.

[Josh Clark]

You know, that, like, he wouldn't have learned anything from Microsoft flight simulator, which is, to a guy in a 777, basically a game, you know, that he was just basically leaving something behind. That was one guy's interpretation in the independent group.

[Chuck Bryant]

Well, at the very least, he could say, if I'm here and I'm on this header and I put it on autopilot, who knows? He may have killed himself. He may have wanted that thing to fly into the ocean for sure.

[Josh Clark]

So the idea is that Captain Zahari took control of the plane by locking First Officer Hamid out of the cockpit, turned off the electrical system, took the 777 in a hard turn, backtracking and probably going up to about 40,000ft at the same time, accelerating the effects of depressuration. Depressurization in the cabin.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah. Killing everyone on board.

[Josh Clark]

Killing everyone on board. Putting it on autopilot and setting a course for the Southern Indian Ocean with a plane full of dead people for a good six something hours. He may have killed himself at some point. He may not. There's some data that suggests that the plane running out of fuel and dropping from the sky would not have hit the ocean as hard as the wreckage suggests that it hit and that it might have taken somebody driving the plane into the ocean.

[Chuck Bryant]

Oh, really?

[Josh Clark]

So he may have been alive to the very bitter end. And if he was a 777 pilot dying by crashing a plane in the ocean, I'm betting that he wouldn't have killed himself before the crash. It just doesn't seem right. But the idea is that he killed his passengers and then killed himself by crashing this plane into the Southern Indian Ocean. And this like the mind recoils from that idea. But the problem is it's happened before. Pilots have killed their passengers and the.

[Chuck Bryant]

Planet at least four times.

[Josh Clark]

Yes. Multiple times in the history of air travel.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah. And here's the other final clue, which to me is kind of the cherry on top, is that really?

[Josh Clark]

I found this one tough to.

[Chuck Bryant]

Oh, really?

[Josh Clark]

Yeah.

[Chuck Bryant]

Oh, I didn't think so. Because we mentioned earlier, he took a very deliberate path to do a little flyby of Penn island that was out of the way. And he grew up on Panang island. And I don't know, man. I don't think that was it. I don't think that was an accident.

[Josh Clark]

Okay.

[Chuck Bryant]

I think a final little flyby.

[Josh Clark]

I mean, I could see it. Sure. To me, it's the simulator. Well, it's like a smoking gun, both.

[Chuck Bryant]

Those things to me.

[Josh Clark]

So we were saying that people have done this before, right?

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah. Germanwings Flight 9525.

[Josh Clark]

I remember that one.

[Chuck Bryant]

Lam Mozambique 470. Egypt Air 990.

[Josh Clark]

And that's another Limewash article you should read.

[Chuck Bryant]

I'm not reading any of these.

[Josh Clark]

You got it, man. He's so good, Chuck.

[Chuck Bryant]

Then Silk air flight at 185. They murdered everyone on board.

[Josh Clark]

Yep. Like there's no other way to take your own life.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah.

[Josh Clark]

There's so many other ways to take your own life that don't involve the innocent lives of your passengers that this is one of the most despicable things you can possibly do.

[Chuck Bryant]

Absolutely.

[Josh Clark]

And so in response, a lot of.

[Chuck Bryant]

People, it's like a suicide bomber.

[Josh Clark]

Sure. You know, a lot of people say there's no way he did this, including his family. They are like, no, this guy did not do that. He was a nice guy. He wouldn't kill a bunch of people. But if you follow the evidence. And again, nobody can say for certain, and probably no one will ever be able to say that it was Captain Shah that did this. But if you follow the evidence and you form your own opinion, it's pretty convincing that he did. Yeah, but a lot of people say no, no way. And because they've not been able to explain what happened, it's formed this vacuum that's being filled by conspiracy theories.

[Chuck Bryant]

Right.

[Josh Clark]

And there's a lot of them.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah. So we'll take our last break here and we will. We're not going to go too deep into those, but we will kind of rattle off some of the leading ones right after this.

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[Josh Clark]

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[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Josh Clark]

And Chuck, before we, you know, rattle off some of these, these conspiracy theories, I want to say, because we can't explain this. Nobody can say that it was Captain Shah. Sure, there are some things you say. It's not like it wasn't an accident. It wasn't. There was. It wasn't, you know, terrorists or anything like that. Yeah, but, but, but you can't say definitively that yes, it was Captain Shah. And if this floats your boat, there's a whole rabbit hole for you to dive down with MH370. And there's a lot of other interpretations, but this seems to be, among air disaster experts, the likeliest explanation.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah, we are not saying, to be clear, that it was Captain Shaw.

[Josh Clark]

Nobody can say that it was.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah, we're just sort of following Occam's razor here and the findings of experts, like you said, it's the cleanest explanation there is.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah.

[Chuck Bryant]

All right, well, some things that aren't so clean. Should we go over some of these? This was compiled by theweek.co.uk the week. I didn't see. Yeah, I didn't see any authorship though, on this one.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah, maybe they're like the economists and they don't. It's all the economists speaking. It's all the weak speaking. You know what I mean?

[Chuck Bryant]

Exactly. They're a collective. So let me see here. One of these is that Captain Shaw parachuted out of the plane to meet that woman on a boat.

[Josh Clark]

Totally unnecessary because he and his wife had already separated. Yeah, he was living alone.

[Chuck Bryant]

That's right. But that was actually written by a journalist in a book called The Hunt for MH370 by E. Ann Higgins. Okay, what else? This one is interesting, that it was cyber hijacked this is in another book called Beneath Another A Global Journey into History. And this is the suggestion that Boeing's Honeywell uninterruptible autopilot onboard computer was hacked and reprogrammed from the ground.

[Josh Clark]

That ties into another one, that the CIA got their hands on the plane remotely. But I don't know that it's true. But there's a definite thread through conspiracy minded groups that after 9, 11, they have engineered some sort of mechanism onto airliners so that they can be remotely controlled in case they are hijacked. So nobody can fly something into the World Trade center or anything like that. Again, makes sense. It does make sense. It makes so much sense that I'm like, wait, did they actually do that? But that's the. That's like step one to that conspiracy theory. Step one is that exists and then step two is that somebody used it to vanish. MH370.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah. What else? Asian Bermuda Triangle.

[Josh Clark]

No.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah. Should we just.

[Josh Clark]

That's all you need to say.

[Chuck Bryant]

Well, this one, I thought it was funny because it said that when you look at where it crashed, it's the exact opposite of the Bermuda Triangle on the other side of the globe. And then I guess someone just looked, they were like, no, it's actually not right, so go ahead and throw that down the tubes.

[Josh Clark]

Maybe in the general neighborhood, but definitely not on the.

[Chuck Bryant]

And also, there's no Bermuda Triangle causing plane crashes.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah, that's a big, big issue with that.

[Chuck Bryant]

What do you got?

[Josh Clark]

Another one is that it was used as MH17. Remember I said that? 2014 was a terrible year for Malaysian Airlines. And the idea is that they hijacked. They meaning probably the CIA or the US government or some shadowy cabal hijacked MH370 safely, landed it in some Diego Garcia air base or somewhere under US control, killed everybody. Or maybe they were dead from hypoxia to begin with. Anyway, put them in freezers and then staged this. Changed the call sign from a 0 or from an O to a D on the plane, easy enough. And then used it to be shot down over Ukraine. And supposedly there's reports from Ukrainian journalists and humanitarian workers and even Ukrainian rebels saying that the corpses that fell from this shot down plane, MH17 over Ukraine, were already decomposing and rotting as if they died weeks before. I've not found anybody who actually said that or anything like that. But that's the whole thing is that it was a big false flag operation. Okay, but isn't it nuts that like, if you can't explain something like a disappeared airliner. People go onto the Internet and write books and say, here's what really happened. And then it's this. Think about the level of distrust we have for the people running the show, that this has an audience.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah.

[Josh Clark]

Like, I do not blame anybody who believes stuff like this because we've been lied to for so long that you can buy this.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah.

[Josh Clark]

You know that some government agency would hijack a plane, kill everybody, and then use it to pin it on, you know, Putin controlled Ukrainian forces.

[Chuck Bryant]

Right.

[Josh Clark]

Come on.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah. It was Hunter Biden. So here's another one that I thought was interesting and not. I'm saying it's interesting as, like, could it be, but if you go to look at passengers on an airplane and try and find a thread, you might want to look at the fact that there are 20 people that worked for a company all on board called Free Scale Semiconductor. So I hear that, and I think, well, we should at least look into this. Is there any reason someone would want to tank this company or tank 20 important people that work for this company? And the theory is that they might have been killed by plane crash either for secret technology or to manipulate stock prices.

[Josh Clark]

Right. And apparently that company helped the NSA or the CIA or the US Government in general, create some of its PRISM program surveillance technology. So they were supposedly already in cahoots with shadowy agencies within the US Government to begin with. And since this plane was headed to Beijing, China, perhaps this company was going over to work with China now. And the CIA didn't like that. So they did this. Pretty interesting. As you said. Interesting.

[Chuck Bryant]

Yeah. That's all it is.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah.

[Chuck Bryant]

And then there are other various ones, from life insurance scams to false flag hijackings to alien abductions. Apparently 5% of Americans surveyed believe it was abducted by aliens.

[Josh Clark]

Believe MH370 was abducted by aliens. I saw that. And my brain wouldn't accept that. I think I just saw it as 5% of Americans believe in alien abductions.

[Chuck Bryant]

No, I think I can't hear what.

[Josh Clark]

You'Re about to say. It's just something dumb.

[Chuck Bryant]

Survey.

[Josh Clark]

Okay. You got anything else? No. Well, if you want to know more about Image370, friend, meet your new hobby, because it is all over the Internet and you can follow whatever thread you like. And since I said that, it's time for listener mail.

[Chuck Bryant]

This one's a bit long, but, boy, is it a good one and super important one for this gentleman and his family. Hey, guys. My name is Tyler. I live in Michigan. I got a story for you. The Sunday before Thanksgiving, my family and I woke up and went around business as usual. I was playing a video game with my two boys and my wife said she was going out to the garage to get something and walked out the door. After about 10 minutes, my neighbor banged on the door. I opened it to see my next door neighbor pointing at my wife laying motionless on the ground in front of my car. Full on panic mode set in. I ran the 10ft or so to find her not breathing, fingers and face already blue, and my neighbor started calling 911. Luckily, I remembered some advice from your CPR episode. Not only how much pressure to apply to the sternum, which is a lot, but the rhythm. And I began to sing Staying Alive.

[Josh Clark]

That is so Great by the Bee.

[Chuck Bryant]

Gees in my head as I did the chest compressions. Trying to sing along while my adrenaline was pumping was not easy, but I did my best to stay calm and keep singing that part of the song in my head. The color started coming back to her face a little bit after I started. The EMTs and police were at my house within five minutes and used the defibrillator. I always mess that word up. Defibrillator on her three times gave her three shots of epinephrine.

[Josh Clark]

Oh my gosh.

[Chuck Bryant]

Before they finally got her heart beating again. Her brain went without blood for 20 minutes though, and as a result, she's been diagnosed with brain damage. She's got a long road to recovery ahead of her, but the doctors think she has a good chance because of her age. Her heart had a severe arrhythmia that ultimately caused cardiac arrest. I'm doing the best I can for her and my kids while she heals. I'm the primary provider for my family while my wife was a primary caregiver. Having to take off work and take care of my kids has been really scary. But I've gotten tremendous support from friends and family here in my time of need. So I just want to thank you guys for the work you do. Without your podcast, I likely would have been burying my wife instead of visiting her in the hospital. Right? This is like Christmas time too, Chuck.

[Josh Clark]

I wasn't prepared for this one. You could have given me like, sorry, stuck me in the hand with a needle or something first.

[Chuck Bryant]

Sincerely, thank you both so much. That is from Tyler Elliott. He said if you guys read this on the show, could you shout out my best friend Justin?

[Josh Clark]

Sure.

[Chuck Bryant]

He got me into the show back in the day and has been there for me and my family every step of the way.

[Josh Clark]

So Justin is the one who should be thanked.

[Chuck Bryant]

Really, it all in a weird way comes back to Justin, man.

[Josh Clark]

What is his name again?

[Chuck Bryant]

Tyler Elliot. And I hope your wife is recovering.

[Josh Clark]

Yeah, same here.

[Chuck Bryant]

Tyler, best of luck to you man. That's quite a harrowing experience.

[Josh Clark]

Not only are we thinking of you, but everybody listening to this podcast right now is thinking about you too.

[Chuck Bryant]

That's right, sending out the best vibes into the universe.

[Josh Clark]

Agreed. Wow. Well, if you want to try to top Tyler's email, best of luck.

[Chuck Bryant]

Good luck.

[Josh Clark]

You can go on to stuffyouchouldknow.com and check out our social links there. And you can also send us an email yourself to stuff [e-mail].

[Chuck Bryant]

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[Josh Clark]

Apple Podcasts are wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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[Chuck Bryant]

Hey, this is Robert Lamb and this is Joe McCormick, and we're the hosts of the Stuff to Blow your Mind podcast. We've got an exciting week ahead for you on Stuff to Blow youw Cat Week. That's right. To coincide with International cat Day on August 8th, we're dedicating every episode in the Stuff to Blow youw Mind podcast feed to your cute, mysterious feline companions. So tune in for core Stuff to Blow youw Mind episodes on the earliest archaeological evidence for domesticated cats and the folkloric cats of the British Isles.

[Josh Clark]

The week's Monster Fact will focus on a popular cat creature, and you better believe weird house cinema will cover some kind of head scratching cat movie. So tune in August 5th through 8th for stuff to blow your mind's cat week. Find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Chuck Bryant]

This is an iHeart podcast.