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Jonas Brothers
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Chuck
I'm Joe.
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Josh
We invented a podcast.
Jonas Brothers
Well, we didn't invent it, we just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts.
Josh
We get to ask other people questions
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Josh
Just listen.
Chuck
We don't care where you hear it. Hey, and welcome to the Short Stuff. I'm Josh, and there's Chuck, and Jerry's here for Dave. So let's get it going about a really terrible disaster that happened back in 1955 in France.
Josh
That's right, the disaster at Le Mans. Very dark time for motorsports history. Something I've never been into, although I did see the F1 movie on a plane recently.
Chuck
Yeah, you were telling me about it. You were telling me that is one of the better movies you've ever seen in your life, if I remember correctly.
Josh
No, I did not. I think I spoke to it. Spoke about it on the show, even. But this all occurred on June 11, 1955. We should probably tell you a little bit about Le Mans as a race, because it is different than if you're just sort of a casual race person. You're like, yeah, they just. They drive around a track a certain amount of times, and then somebody wins. Once you've completed the 200 laps, yeah,
Chuck
they just turn left a lot.
Josh
Yeah. That is not what happens at Le Mans. I think they're going to hold the 94th one this June. It is an endurance race where you drive along with two racing partners. There's three drivers, and they take turns, but you drive for 24 hours. And whoever completes the most laps and that 24 hours is the winner.
Chuck
Yes. And in Le Mans in particular, the track is called the Circuit de la Sarthe and it's a d shape, about 8 and a half miles or 13.7 kilometers around. And it's not only made of racetrack, but they also incorporate some actual public roads that get shut down for the race.
Josh
It's made of racetrack.
Chuck
It's made of racetrack and public roads. I know, I just, I think that's fascinating.
Josh
Oh, it is. There's other races like this. There's public road, like fully public road races.
Chuck
I know, and I find those fascinating too.
Josh
Yeah. Look, man, Weirdly defensive about this.
Chuck
So for Le Mans in particular, it's a 24 hour endurance race, like you said, like really famous carmakers, especially by this time in the 50s, like the top car makers would enter a car, hire an elite driver and say, get to it. And the distances that they're covering in this 24 hours on this 8 1/2 mile track are akin to driving in 24 hours from New York to LA, or Berlin to Athens, which I'm not even sure you can do because Athens is in Greece, which is an island, but you get the gist. Or from Perth to Sydney. So no matter where you are in the world, you now realize that this is a really long amount of miles or kilometers that they're driving on this D shaped track in 24 hours.
Josh
Yeah, for sure. And they were even back then driving really fast. I think the, the all time track record speed, like the tip top on a straightaway would be 253 miles an hour, which was 1988. But even in the 1950s, you know, this crash occurred. I saw 120 up to 150 miles an hour. So they were driving these cars really, really fast even back then. And I don't know, I almost feel like we should take an early break there.
Chuck
I do too.
Josh
Okay, let's do it. And we'll come back. We're in agreement. I love it.
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Chuck
What's the news?
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Huge news. We created our own podcast called hey Jonas.
Josh
We invented a podcast.
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Well, we didn't invent it.
Josh
We.
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Josh
All right, so the tragedy that unfolded that day in 1955 was pretty much due to a very poor track design along with a bad maneuver by a driver. The poor design meaning what? If you don't know anything about auto racing, there's something called a pit and a pit crew and you pull in and get like gas and get your tires changed and get your windows clean and whatever else the car needs at the time. I actually watched NASCAR for like a season in the early to mid 2000s. For some reason I got into it.
Chuck
Did you have a favorite driver?
Josh
I did, and I can't remember his name now. I can picture him in my head. He drove for the UPS car, whatever his name was.
Chuck
He drove a UPS car?
Josh
No, that'd be pretty impressive. He was sponsored by ups.
Chuck
He was known for doing like wheelies in his UPS car and going into donuts in the middle of the race. Cause he knew he was never gonna win.
Josh
And here Comes a box truck on the outside lane.
Chuck
He's wearing those shorts. His legs are amazing.
Josh
Oh, man, it's crazy. Yeah, it was a short flirtation, bertation.
Chuck
Excuse me, a heavy, heavy bear tation.
Josh
Heavy bertation. So it was a quarter mile long stretch. This pit road was in this case, everyone was really tightly packed together, so there wasn't enough space to begin with. And it was right there on top of the track. It was right along the edge. So if you wanted to complete a pit stop, you had to cut to the right really, really quickly and then brake really, really severely. Because if you overshot and didn't do that, then you know you can't go backwards. So you have to drive another lap around. Sometimes you might not be able to.
Chuck
Right.
Josh
And so, you know, you have every incentive to, like, make that tough move and quick stop to get in there.
Chuck
Yes. And so the layout of the pit was bad enough. Like, it was the thing that set the stage for this disaster. But it was actually a terrible, terrible decision by one of the drivers that actually triggered the disaster.
Josh
Paint a picture.
Chuck
Thank you. Here I go. I'm just dabbing my paintbrush to my tongue and proceeding. I've got to beat the devil out of the brush first.
Josh
Okay. Is that what they say?
Chuck
That's what Bob Ross always said.
Josh
Oh, that's right.
Chuck
So this driver's name was Mike Hawthorne. He was driving a Jaguar for the Jaguar team, and he was going in for a pit stop. And as he was coming in, there was another driver driving in Austin Healey. His name was Lance Macklin. And Lance Macklin saw that a pack of faster drivers, including Mike Hawthorne, were coming up behind him. So Lance Macklin very courteously got over so they could get around him easily. But right as he got over, Mike Hawthorne wanted to go into the pit, well, rather than just tailgate Lance Macklin for three, four seconds maybe, and then veer into the pit. After Lance Macklin cleared it, Mike Hawthorne overtook Lance Macklin and then slammed on his brakes. Yeah, that caused Lance Macklin to have to veer to the left severely. And when he did veer to the left, he veered right into the path of another driver named Pierre Leveg, who was driving a Mercedes. And it went really badly from that moment on.
Josh
So, like I said earlier, I heard a contemporaneous call of this whole thing as 120 miles an hour, but maybe up to 150. Either way, super fast. He hit that Austin Healey, the sort of sloped back of that car, acted like a ramp, and it launched Levegh and that Mercedes obviously into the air. Apparently, Macklin said later he could feel the heat from the exhaust as it flew over him, which is crazy to think about. The Mercedes ran up a four foot embankment, an earthen embankment that was supposed to protect spectators, hit a concrete staircase, burst into flames and exploded. And I mean, you can look this up on YouTube. You can't see the actual crash, but you see the explosion. And very disturbingly, you see very large car parts just being hurled at, you know, 100 miles an hour plus into people.
Chuck
Yeah. This is. Yeah, it's bad enough that Pierre Leveg, his car burst into flames and he died, but this is where it gets particularly catastrophic, because the front axle to the car, wheels that had come loose from the axle, the hood, the radiator and the engine just went flying at like over 100 miles an hour each through the crowd, and just cut through the crowd like a scythe. And the path of destruction was just staggering. What happened to the poor people who were standing in the grandstands and were in the path of those car parts?
Josh
Yeah, because it was randomized, because there were individual car parts. So you could be standing. In one case, this really happened. You could be standing and ended up just fine next to someone who was decapitated. And nothing happened to you. Very sadly. There was one little girl who was trampled, still holding onto her ice cream cone. Leveque died, like you said. But it was an instant thing, I think. 50 people died instantly, and 83 spectators ended up dying and close to 200 ended up injured, like, including Levegh, 84 people killed at this race.
Chuck
Yeah. So there was a really controversial decision that was made by the race director, and that was to allow 24 hours of LE Mans to continue. This happened at like hour two and a half.
Josh
It sounds crazy.
Chuck
Yeah. And you're like, what a disgusting psychopath. But history has actually vindicated the race director. I don't know his name, but that he made the right move because had he said the race needs to end right now, all those spectators who needed aid and whose lives would have probably ended had they not received aid pretty quickly, the emergency crews trying to reach them would have been swamped by all the spectators leaving all at the same time. So it seems quite heartless, but it actually was the right move to make.
Josh
Yeah. I wonder if that was the reason, though. Do we know that? Or if it's just like, in retrospect, it worked out better.
Chuck
I don't know. I want to just believe in humanity. So I'm going to say that that guy had that level of foresight.
Josh
I hope so. Regardless, Mike Hawthorne, the guy who caused the crash, won the race. And no matter how history looks at that decision, like him popping the champagne at the end when 21 hours earlier, 80 people or 84 people had died. It's a tough pill to swallow, you know.
Chuck
Yeah. Not just die, die because of him. And he's like, just celebrating like it's the end of whatever race, any other race, you know.
Josh
Yeah.
Chuck
He never claimed responsibility for it. He would never take accountability. And two years after that, he died in a car wreck when he was racing a friend. And when he overtook the friend, that was when he spun out and died. He was also driving a Jaguar, so his death was quite ironic. I say hats off to the Mercedes team because even though the race continued, they withdrew and they waited until the emergency crews had done their thing and cleared out, and they packed up and they withdrew from the race at 1am and they stopped racing all the way until the 1980s because of that incident.
Josh
Yeah, I mean, it really shook up the industry, obviously, in the sport. There were official inquiries, obviously, everyone was absolved. No one, like, had to take the fall or anything like that. They said, you know, we didn't have the right safety measures, we didn't have the right layout. I didn't see if there was any kind of, like, financial compensation to victims or anything like that.
Chuck
I didn't either.
Josh
It may have been at a time where that kind of thing just didn't routinely happen like it would today, but there was obviously a huge public outcry, and that track obviously went under all kinds of changes, including, you know, more safety for the spectators, more barriers put in place, and then a much safer pit situation. Like they fully moved the pit road and made it much safer to get into.
Chuck
Yeah, they moved it like a quarter mile back from the track rather than right up on the track, which I can't believe they ever did that in the first place, you know, even in retrospect. Well, way to go, Chuck. This is a car one, and we don't normally do car stuff, so. Great. Congrats.
Jonas Brothers
Thanks.
Josh
Right back at you.
Chuck
Well, then, short stuff is out.
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Episode: Short Stuff: 1955 Le Mans Disaster
Hosts: Josh & Chuck
Date: June 3, 2026 (original air date)
In this “Short Stuff” episode, Josh and Chuck dive into one of motorsport's darkest hours: the 1955 Le Mans disaster in France. They break down the unique nature of the endurance race, explain how a combination of poor track design and a driver’s split-second decision led to catastrophe, and discuss both the immediate and long-term impacts on racing and safety regulations. The episode is conversational but somber, giving context and detail to an often-overlooked historical tragedy.
On Le Mans’ challenge:
“You now realize that this is a really long amount of miles… on this D-shaped track in 24 hours.” — Chuck (03:35)
Visualizing the disaster:
“You can look this up on YouTube. You can’t see the actual crash, but you see the explosion. And very disturbingly, you see very large car parts just being hurled at, you know, 100 miles an hour plus into people.” — Josh (10:24)
Discussing the moral dilemma:
“No matter how history looks at that decision, like him popping the champagne at the end when 21 hours earlier … 84 people had died. It’s a tough pill to swallow, you know.” — Josh (13:12)
On the Mercedes withdrawal:
“…they waited until the emergency crews had done their thing and cleared out, and they packed up and they withdrew from the race at 1 AM … they stopped racing all the way until the 1980s because of that incident.” — Chuck (13:53)
The episode is conversational, with moments of dark humor and emotional reflection. Both Josh and Chuck approach the incident thoughtfully, focusing on education while expressing empathy for the victims and a nuanced understanding of the complexities involved.
Summary for the Uninitiated:
Josh and Chuck deliver a gripping, accessible account of the 1955 Le Mans disaster, detailing its context, the minute-by-minute mechanics of the crash, and the human and structural aftermath. The episode underscores how a split-second decision and inadequate safety design can reverberate through history, forever changing a sport and its standards.