Josh (2:47)

That's so creepy. Yeah. Can you imagine a seven foot owl woman with a 15 foot wingspan mimicking a baby's cries?

Chuck (2:54)

No. It's pretty terrifying.

Josh (2:55)

I don't like that. Also, some of the other stuff that's said about her is that if you see her near your house, it means she's portending that something bad is about to happen to somebody in your house. Maybe a piece of furniture in your house. I don't know.

Chuck (3:12)

Yeah. I think sometimes if you dream about La Lechuza, a family member will die soon. And it seems like most of the tellings it is a woman who was once or an owl woman who was once a human woman and something bad happened to her, some act of cruelty, usually something by a bad man happened or maybe happened to her child and it turned her into a vengeful beast. Sometimes La Lechuza is more of a witch's familiar, like the, like Dracula's or a vampire's familiar. And I think in that case, as a witch's familiar, they would abduct kids for the witch.

Josh (3:53)

Right. She's also been accused of being an emissary of Satan himself.

Chuck (3:58)

Satan.

Josh (3:59)

That's right. And one of the things you said is that she's often described as being vengeful because of something that happened in her past or her kid. Usually that's chalked up to either her child was killed for a crime they didn't commit and so now she's stealing other people's kids in return, or that her child was killed by a drunk man. Yeah, and that's actually one group that she seems to target in modern tellings are drunk dudes stumbling out of bars and walking home alone at night. And then 15 foot wingspan comes out of nowhere and the talons just sink into their head and carry them off by their scalp. And if they're lucky, and their scalp will rip off of their head and they'll fall to the ground and die on impact. And if they're unlucky, they'll be carried by their scalp all the way back to La Lechuza's lair and bad things are going to happen to them there.

Chuck (4:52)

That's right. If you want to kill La Lechuza, good luck, buddy, because apparently you cannot hurt a La Lechuza with bullets. I think if you try to kill one with a gun or something like that, you're going to get killed like pretty soon afterward for sure.

Josh (5:10)

Right? Yeah. I guess in the La Lechuza fact off there's that whole idea that this is a woman, owl woman, who is actually some sort of spirit or familial or something like that means that there is an actual person involved in this elsewhere, often a member of the community secretly preying on the rest of the community is Lalachuza and that when La Lechuza is out doing her thing, that person is unconscious back home in some room until she comes back and reinhabits their body. So either they're possessed by her or they're using her or their special ability to enact vengeance and terrorize a community. And there's actually supposedly I looked all over for I couldn't find it, but there's supposedly some sort of incantation or prayer or something that a community can use that will reveal the person who is actually Lala Chuza. And then ostensibly they get their scalp taken.

Chuck (6:12)

All right, shall we come back after this?

Josh (6:14)

Yes.

Chuck (6:15)

All right, we'll be right back with more on La Lechuza.

Josh (6:27)

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Josh (8:46)

Okay, Chuck. And we've been using the name La Lechuza, which, without explaining to non Spanish speakers that lechuza is actually the word for owl. Yeah, which makes a lot of sense.

Chuck (8:57)

Sure.

Josh (8:59)

And this was. We said that this whole thing kind of came from the Texas Mexico border. That seems to be the origin of it. And they think essentially that this is just like any other bit of folklore, that it was used to explain unbearable things like the disappearance of children. Or probably more likely, it was used to keep kids on the straight and narrow, like fairy tales were in, you know, Western Europe. Same thing. If you're out messing around and, you know, spray painting somebody's brick wall or something like that, Lalachuza is going to come out of nowhere and snatch you up, so you better be good kind of thing.

Chuck (9:39)

Yeah, absolutely. And you know, as far as where these things come from, I remember God. Many, many years ago, we did one in urban legends. And it's always pretty much impossible to trace back the true origin with this one. There are people who think this might have come from pre Columbian Mesoamerica, when the indigenous peoples had very close relationships and bonds with animals. But when the Spaniards came along to Mesoamerica, they brought, of course, Christian, you know, Catholic Christian beliefs with them and condemned the rest as paganism, of course.

Josh (10:17)

Yeah. I thought this was really interesting because a lot of the gods in Mesoamerican cultures were animal human hybrids. Right. So an owl woman may have been some ancient or eldritch deity and was in no way shape or form evil. But the Spaniards came along as Christians and went to that Christian playbook and basically said, your gods are now Christianity's demons, so stop worshiping them. And that is a great explanation for where something like lechuza came from.

Chuck (10:48)

Yeah, for sure. It's also popped up over the years in like various pop culture ways. I'm surprised there hasn't been like a pretty cool La Lechuza, like movie or character in a movie or TV show, you know, that'd be truly frightening.

Josh (11:01)

Have you seen the movie based on La Llorona?

Chuck (11:05)

I don't think I saw that.

Josh (11:08)

That was kind of scary. It was the Latino urban legend and it was okay.

Chuck (11:13)

All right, well, maybe I'll check it out. You have good horror recommendations.

Josh (11:17)

Okay, I take that back then, because I don't want to ruin my. I don't want to ruin my streak. Yeah.

Chuck (11:24)

I mentioned pop culture. I think La Lechuza was an enemy in an issue of a comic book called Relampago, and that was created by Margarita Garza. So that was one. What else? It was music too, right?

Josh (11:38)

Yeah, yeah. There's a song called El Parajo Gigante de Robe, which is by a group called Los Campions de Raul Ruiz. And the De Robe is actually talking about a specific town called Robestown or Robstown, Texas, along the borders near Corpus Christi. And there was a outbreak of sightings of la Lechuza in 1975 and 76. And it was a big deal. This whole town was credible. People are like, I saw La Lechuza with my own eyes. And it turned out that there was a group of teens from town who had created a pretty convincing Lalachuza, like dummy, like a life size one, and was just, you know, running it around town, scaring the bejesus out of people. So that's where that, that, that inspired that song, as far as I can tell.

Chuck (12:34)

You know, I wish I knew somebody who was a good sort of model maker, creature maker, because we've been getting more into the Halloween front yard decorations and, and like to be a little outside the box and not just whatever you get at Party City or. No, not Party City. What is it? We did a whole episode on it last year.

Josh (12:52)

Oh, spirit Halloween.

Chuck (12:55)

Although, I mean, their stuff is really good. I'm not knocking it.

Josh (12:58)

Have you been to Home Depot lately? Dude, they've gone off the chain.

Chuck (13:01)

Oh, really?

Josh (13:02)

Oh, yeah. They have like 10, 12 foot tall scary monsters now. It's crazy, like their Halloween thing, but it's the same issue that you don't want, which is your neighbor's got somebody two day, two doors down is going to have the same thing.

Chuck (13:18)

Yeah, I would love a custom sort of. I think a Lalachuza would be truly scary. And it has kind of a fun story behind it. I like stuff that has like a legend behind it. So, hey, if anyone out there wants to just, you know, make me one, I'll just say my address on the show and you can just drop it off in the front yard.

Josh (13:34)

Good plan. Yeah. There was one other thing too, and I kind of touched on that Lalachuza's survived into modern day and that the most modern interpretations tend to kind of drill into the kind of gender norm or flip flop gender norms that the fable or the urban legend actually kind of gets into, which is there's a vengeful woman who is big enough and powerful enough and angry enough to punish bad men.

Chuck (14:04)

Yeah.

Josh (14:05)

And that not just men who stumble home drunk from the bar are targeted, but men who are known to, like, abuse their wives or children are her favorite, like, prey now. So it's interesting how she kind of evolved into a bit of like an avenger for women and children.

Chuck (14:22)

I. I like that version.

Josh (14:23)

Yeah. Hats off, Leila Chuza.

Chuck (14:25)

That's right. We're good guys. Don't come after us.

Josh (14:28)

That is true, Chuck. That is true. Anything else?

Chuck (14:32)

I got nothing else.

Josh (14:33)

Okay, well, then short stuff is. Oh.

Chuck (14:39)

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